[Senate Hearing 118-579]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-579

                   EXAMINING COMPETITION AND CONSUMER
                       RIGHTS IN HOUSING MARKETS

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                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMPETITION POLICY, 
                       ANTITRUST, AND CONSUMER RIGHTS

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                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            OCTOBER 24, 2023

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                       COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

                   RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois, Chair
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina, 
AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota                     Ranking Member
CHRISTOPHER A. COONS, Delaware       CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut      JOHN CORNYN, Texas
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii              MICHAEL S. LEE, Utah
CORY A. BOOKER, New Jersey           TED CRUZ, Texas
ALEX PADILLA, California             JOSH HAWLEY, Missouri
JON OSSOFF, Georgia                  TOM COTTON, Arkansas
PETER WELCH, Vermont                 JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
LAPHONZA BUTLER, California          THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
                                     MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
             Joseph Zogby, Chief Counsel and Staff Director
      Katherine Nikas, Republican Chief Counsel and Staff Director

           Competition Policy, Antitrust, and Consumer Rights

                    AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota, Chair
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     MICHAEL S. LEE, Utah, Ranking 
CHRISTOPHER A. COONS, Delaware           Member
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut      CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii              JOSH HAWLEY, Missouri
CORY A. BOOKER, New Jersey           TOM COTTON, Arkansas
PETER WELCH, Vermont                 THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
                                     MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
               Keagan Buchanan, Democratic Chief Counsel
                  Wendy Baig, Republican Chief Counsel
                           
                           
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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

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Klobuchar, Hon. Amy..............................................     1
Lee, Hon. Michael S..............................................     3

                               WITNESSES

Antoni, E.J......................................................    11
    Prepared statement...........................................    32

Calder, Vanessa Brown............................................     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    43

Quintero, Luis E.................................................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    47

Stucke, Maurice E................................................    13
    Prepared statement...........................................    51

Yentel, Diane....................................................     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    65

                                APPENDIX

Item submitted for the record....................................    31


 
                   EXAMINING COMPETITION AND CONSUMER
                       RIGHTS IN HOUSING MARKETS

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                       TUESDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2023

                      United States Senate,
Subcommittee on Competition Policy, Antitrust, and 
                                   Consumer Rights,
                                Committee on the Judiciary,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:37 p.m., in 
Room 226, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Amy Klobuchar, 
Chair of the Subcommittee, presiding.
    Present: Klobuchar [presiding], Blumenthal, Hirono, Lee, 
Hawley, and Blackburn.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. AMY KLOBUCHAR,
           A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

    Chair Klobuchar. I don't know why we'd be discussing the 
House right now. I don't know, when we have this excitement 
right in our Chamber.
    But I want to welcome everyone----
    [Gavel is tapped.]
    Chair Klobuchar [continuing]. To this very important 
hearing and I'm actually really excited to hear from our 
witnesses. I would like to thank Ranking Member Lee and his 
staff for working with us to plan this hearing.
    So everyone looks back fondly maybe at the first place they 
ever lived.
    For me, in 1960, my parents wallpapered the last room in 
their house on a dirt road on 1315 Oakview Lane in Plymouth, 
Minnesota. I still remember that my whole time growing up, we 
lived in the same house and it had exposed wood ceilings. I had 
no dishwasher to the end. But it had exposed wood ceilings.
    And my grandma who grew up on the iron range of Minnesota 
would come down to the cities to see the house. And she would 
every single time, my grandma, Mary Klobuchar, say to my mom 
and dad, ``When are you going to finish the ceiling?''
    [Laughter.]
    Chair Klobuchar. And the brightly colored appliances--
butter yellow-colored oven that was all part of our lives. And 
my dad paid for that house with a GI loan.
    And today, I think we all know that houses are not 
available to many young families in the same way that my 
parents could afford them on a teacher's salary and a starting 
newspaper reporter's salary.
    In 1960, the median home value was $11,900. That is about 
$123,000, in today's dollars. And this was, of course, in the 
midst of the post-war housing boom.
    Today, the median single-family home costs more than 
$400,000, if you look at it across America. This is an increase 
of more than 500 percent since 1980, and more than 40 percent 
since 2020.
    I think we know why this is. Affordable options are too 
few. Freddie Mac estimates that we need to build 3.8 million 
new homes to make up for the housing deficit.
    And according to the National Low Income Housing Coalition, 
the affordable housing gap for those with low incomes is more 
than 7.3 million rental units.
    We know rents have always gone up, jumping more than 12 
percent since August of 2022 alone. And in some 20 million 
households, they spend more than half of their income on 
housing.
    So what do we do? The affordable housing crisis is a result 
of complex, long-standing issues--many of which are the focus 
of our colleagues over in the Banking, Housing, and Urban 
Affairs Committee, chaired by Senator Sherrod Brown, and Tina 
Smith, my colleague, chairs the Subcommittee.
    We know there's issues of workforce to build housing. 
There's issues of the cost of building housing and the 
component parts. But today we're going to focus on the role 
that competition policy changes, to help address these market 
failures.
    So some of the issues I'll put on the table that are 
relevant to our Committee.
    First, renters face real challenges to compare and contrast 
prices. More and more of the cost of renting are hidden from 
view through the proliferation of junk fees. As a result, 
renters struggle to take advantage of price competition because 
the true costs of housing are not transparent.
    Second, housing is an area in which we have seen the 
widespread use of algorithmic pricing tools designed to raise 
prices even at the expense of higher vacancy rates. A growing 
number of companies, like RealPage and Yardi offer services 
that collect competitively sensitive pricing information from 
competing property management committees, feed that data 
through sophisticated algorithms, and recommend unit by unit 
prices so landlords can charge a certain rent.
    Landlords have figured out that it is better for them and 
their bottom lines to use these products to price units high, 
so that some of them actually sit empty, but it is easier to 
have them priced high for them in the long term.
    And so I believe landlords should be competing on price. 
And I don't think you see that happening when you have this 
algorithm-based games going on.
    Third, families are being boxed out of the market for 
single family homes by institutional investors. There've been 
wide range news reports about this, where institutional 
investors will just buy up homes in a neighborhood making it 
out of reach, especially for first-time home buyers.
    The institutional buyers are often backed by large private 
equity funds seeking reliable revenues through rental income 
instead of allowing families to achieve the dream of home 
ownership.
    The presence of these institutional actors drives up home 
prices because they can make all-cash offers and waive 
inspections to outbid everyday people.
    And unlike mom and pop landlords, these absentee owners are 
more likely to charge junk fees, evict families, and increase 
instability in our communities.
    Finally, this is all made worse by the fact that we are not 
building enough affordable housing. The number of starter homes 
being built has plummeted since the 2008 financial crisis, 
which put hundreds of thousands of small builders out of 
business. This has left us reliant on fewer and fewer large 
company home builders that dominate home building in major 
metropolitan areas.
    The builders tend to focus on high-end homes rather than 
starter homes. The consolidation in the home building market 
has been shown to reduce the number of new homes built by more 
than 100,000 houses every single year.
    So while we recognize a competition policy is no silver 
bullet--and I will emphasize that as we talk about I'm sure 
some of the other issues at hand--while it is no silver bullet 
for solving our affordable housing crisis, we shouldn't dismiss 
its importance. We should at least explore it and look at what 
possible solutions we can agree on.
    The antitrust laws were actually used in the 1960s to make 
sure that there was fairness in sales of homes. And we now need 
to examine whether antitrust and consumer protection laws need 
to be updated to eliminate predatory junk fees for rental 
markets, root out anticompetitive tools that facilitate price 
fixing instead of competition, and ensure the market is more 
responsive to the increased demand for housing.
    I look forward to exploring these issues with my colleagues 
and our esteemed witnesses today. I now turn it over to Senator 
Lee.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MICHAEL S. LEE,
             A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF UTAH

    Senator Lee. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thanks to all of you 
for coming. This is an important issue and I'm glad we're 
holding the hearing.
    Millions of Americans all across the country, including so 
many in my own home State of Utah, are paying significantly 
higher prices to own, rent, or otherwise live in a home in 
2023.
    Home ownership is even further out of reach for Americans 
than it has been at any other time in modern history. And this 
has created problems, problems that we hope to address and 
discuss today.
    Just since July of 2021, just over 2 years ago, the 
affordability of a home has declined significantly even in that 
narrow timeframe.
    According to the Home Ownership Affordability Monitor, 
housing accounted for about 28 percent of Americans' median 
income in January of 2021. It's a lot of money that's up then 
from what it had been just a few years earlier and when it used 
to be much lower than that.
    But, you know, it's a sizable chunk. People were spending 
over a quarter--between a quarter and a third of their income 
on housing.
    But let's look at what happened since then. It's jumped to 
a whopping 44 percent by September of 2023. These rates are 
worse than those seen during the financial crisis of 2008. 
Homes are less affordable today than at any other time since we 
started keeping track of this particular set of records back in 
2006. We've never seen anything this bad since we began keeping 
those records.
    The monthly mortgage payment on a median price home has 
more than doubled, in just 2 years. In 2021, it was $979.
    Well, today that payment is $2,059. It costs a family 
almost $13,000 more per year to live in the same house than it 
did just over 2 years ago, 2\1/2\ years ago, the moment our 
current President took office. And with rents at record highs, 
many Americans have limited housing options available to them.
    If Americans are spending 44 percent of their income--close 
to half of what they make--on housing, and $13,000 more per 
year than they did just 2 years ago, it leaves families with 
less income, fewer resources, and less savings left over to pay 
for basic essentials, such as groceries, gasoline, cars--all of 
which have become dramatically more expensive at the exact same 
time that housing has become unaffordable.
    So with less ability to pay for these basic needs, there 
isn't money left over from anything else. Anything else, 
whether that's an emergency, you know, unforeseen expense 
related to a car repair or a health condition, a family member 
who needs help or a desire to go on a family vacation, or buy 
something that the family needs. There isn't room for it, 
because everything else has been taken up.
    And ultimately, the increased share of a family's income 
spent on housing may cause them to take on even more debt to 
make ends meet. And this, in turn, over time, it's going to 
lead to more bankruptcies.
    Many failures may contribute to the sudden abrupt and 
severe rise in housing costs. We've got a number of things that 
we could look at.
    The first one I want to mention involves State and local 
regulations, which account for a significant constraint on 
housing supply. Anytime we look at the price of a particular 
thing, whether it's a good or a service or something as basic 
as a home, you have to look at supply and demand, and how those 
two are interacting.
    And these things, these regulations impose significant 
constraints on housing supply at the same time when demand is 
hardly going away. And in many States, like Utah, it's 
increasing rather abruptly and dramatically.
    In cities across America, residents are burdened with 
zoning and overburdensome land use regulations at the Federal, 
State, and local levels. And these regulations decrease the 
housing supply and in many cases directly prohibit housing 
development, increase costs, create uncertainty, and they 
produce significant delays.
    For example, the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule 
originally adopted by the Obama administration, increased 
compliance costs and the cost of housing by an additional--by 
adding additional Federal zoning restrictions.
    Those restrictions aren't always things that show up as 
obviously the product of Federal action, because they translate 
into these local units of Government adopting new regulations, 
new restrictions in response to the AFFH rule--because they 
have to comply with those rules in order to continue receiving 
Federal funds, for example, under the Community Development 
Block grant program.
    And it appears that the same will be true of the Biden 
administration's version of the same rule, which has not yet 
taken effect, but will soon.
    Second, Americans are suffering through an extended period 
of high inflation generally, which has been particularly acute 
in the housing market.
    Throughout 2021, the inflation rate jumped to as high as 9 
percent, more than four times the Federal Reserve's target 
inflation rate of 2 percent, in large part due to profligate 
Federal spending and irresponsible monetary policy.
    Home prices rapidly increased over the last five decades, 
eclipsing the inflation rate by 150 percent since 1970. In 
fact, if home prices grew at the same rate as inflation, since 
1970 the median home price today would be just $177,788--rather 
than $408,100.
    Finally, the Federal Government's land ownership is also a 
critical factor, especially in parts of the United States like 
Utah, a home to vast swaths of Federal land in holdings. In 
2021, the States with the highest increases in home prices year 
over year, were--not coincidentally--Arizona at 28.8 percent, 
Idaho at 28.7 percent, and Utah at 24.5 percent.
    This comes to as no surprise to us in the West. The Federal 
Government owns a really obscenely large percentage of our 
land.
    In Utah, the Federal Government owns about 67 percent of 
all the land in Utah. That's two thirds.
    While a small portion of this land consist of scenic 
National Parks, most Federal land in the West is managed by the 
Bureau of Land Management or the U.S. Forest Service--and most 
of it doesn't look like the postcard-worthy, picturesque 
viewscapes that you see associated with National Parks.
    It's just land. Land that the Federal Government owns, 
holds, refuses to sell, refuses to allow development on, and 
very often is used to lock people out of access to all kinds of 
things in the State, including, on occasion, their own 
property.
    Now the United States now has a record shortage of over 5 
million homes. In 2021, the States with the highest increases 
in home prices were located in the West.
    Unfortunately, finding available land to increase housing 
supply is a real struggle. I mean it's very, very difficult, 
simply because it's not there. Because we don't have very much 
of this rare commodity known as private land, and you have to 
have private land in order to build housing.
    So I've introduced a bill called the Houses Act, which 
would create a process by which local communities could 
nominate small tracts of run of the mill BLM-managed land to be 
used to quickly address housing shortages and availability. And 
these are in holdings that are in or immediately outside of a 
city or town boundary, a place where people live.
    The Houses Act would help solve Utah's land and housing 
scarcity by allowing parcels of Federal land to be purchased by 
a State or a unit of local government at a reduced price, 
giving them much needed flexibility to address housing 
constraints.
    The Act would require that land be subject to a density 
requirement, and would protect against the development of 
expensive second homes purchased from the Federal Government on 
the parcels at issue.
    Now in Utah, there are almost 23 million acres of Federal 
land that happen to be managed by the Bureau of Land Management 
in the State, accounting for 43.24 percent of the total land in 
the State.
    Typical home prices in Utah have increased by 89 percent 
just over the last 5 years--89 percent in 5 years.
    If just 1 percent of the acreage in Utah managed by the 
Bureau of Land Management in my State were made available for 
housing under the Houses Act, at least 774,000 additional homes 
could be built. We have large families in Utah, and we 
reproduce rapidly, so we're going to need those homes.
    This hearing is intended to examine some of the factors 
contributing to the increased costs of homes, specifically some 
of the factors that Members of the Subcommittee might be able 
to help mitigate or potentially eliminate, and I look forward 
to this conversation. Thank you.
    Chair Klobuchar. Very, very good.
    I note we've been joined by Senator Blumenthal, who got in 
at 3 a.m. from a trip to the Mideast. So it's a total devotion 
to our Subcommittee, as well as Senator Hirono, I look forward 
to hearing from, given the loss of homes in the Maui fires. And 
I know she'll be focused on that. Thank you.
    We have with us our witnesses.
    Diane Yentel is the president and CEO of the National Low 
Income Housing Coalition. She's worked in affordable housing 
for over 25 years.
    Vanessa Brown Calder is the director of Opportunity and 
Family Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. She previously 
served as executive director and staff director at the Joint 
Economic Committee under Senator Lee. Cool.
    Luis Quintero is with us. He is an assistant professor at 
Johns Hopkins Carey Business School with a Ph.D. in economics 
from Carnegie Mellon University. His research focuses on real 
estate, economics, and housing affordability.
    E.J. Antoni is a research fellow at the Heritage 
Foundation's Grover M. Hermann Center for the Federal Budget.
    And Maurice Stucke is the Douglas A. Blaze Distinguished 
Professor of Law at the University of Tennessee College of Law, 
where his teaching and research focuses on competition and 
antitrust law and policy. And he recently served as a senior 
advisor to the FTC and has spent years litigating antitrust 
matters with the Department of Justice.
    So with that, I'm going to swear in the witnesses. Here we 
go. If you guys could rise.
    [Witnesses are sworn in.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you. You can be seated. Now we will 
begin. So you can get started, Ms. Yentel. Thank you.

   STATEMENT OF DIANE YENTEL, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
 OFFICER, NATIONAL LOW INCOME HOUSING COALITION, WASHINGTON, DC

    Ms. Yentel. Thank you. Chair Klobuchar, Ranking Member Lee, 
and Senator Hirono, thank you for the opportunity to testify 
today.
    Across the nation, the lowest income renters face a severe 
shortage of affordable and available homes, and a significant 
gap between incomes and housing costs. There is a national 
shortage of 7.3 million homes that are affordable and available 
to the lowest income renters.
    This shortage is a long-standing structural feature of the 
country's housing system, consistently impacting every State 
and nearly every community. For example, in both Chair 
Klobuchar's State of Minnesota and Ranking Member Lee's State 
of Utah, there are fewer than four affordable homes available 
for every 10 of the lowest income renter households.
    Without affordable housing options, more than 10 million of 
the lowest income renters, who are disproportionately people of 
color, pay at least half their limited income on rent, leaving 
them without the resources they need to put food on the table, 
purchase needed medications, or otherwise make ends meet, 
putting them one financial shock away from facing eviction, and 
in worse cases, homelessness.
    While wages have risen in recent years, these gains have 
not closed the persistent and significant gap between renters' 
incomes and the rising cost of rent.
    During the pandemic, policymakers responded to the growing 
threat of housing insecurity by providing unprecedented support 
to keep renters housed. These protections and resources cut 
evictions in half, lowered eviction filing rates to the lowest 
on record, and kept millions of people, who otherwise would've 
lost their homes during the pandemic, stably housed.
    But just as these emergency resources were depleted and 
pandemic-era renter protections expired, renters reentered a 
housing market with skyrocketing rents and high costs 
elsewhere.
    The GAO has found that every $100 increase in median 
monthly rent, is associated with a 9 percent increase in 
homelessness in that same community.
    Over 2021 and the first half of 2022, rents increased by 
about $200 a month. And as a result, eviction filing rates have 
now reached or surpassed pre-pandemic averages in many 
communities, resulting in increased homelessness.
    Even with the stabilization of rental prices this year, the 
rapid inflation we saw during 2021 and 2022, has done 
significant damage to affordability, especially for the lowest 
income renters.
    Median rent of new leases just last month were 24 percent 
higher than at the beginning of 2021. Rent increases are driven 
by several factors, including a growing demand for rental 
housing and limited supply.
    Rent increases can also be attributed to a mostly 
unregulated rental market with few tenant protections that, 
especially in markets where demand far outstrips supply, 
permits landlords to raise rents as high as the market will 
allow without regard to the impact on tenants with the lowest 
incomes.
    And in addition to high rent, landlords are increasingly 
imposing costly fees, further increasing costs for low-income 
renters. Renters particularly those with the lowest incomes, 
have severely limited options in the housing market. The lack 
of national renter protections leaves tenants vulnerable to 
unjust treatment, housing instability, and evictions.
    Landlords can engage in abusive and predatory behavior with 
few consequences. Renters facing exorbitant rent increases or 
excessive fees, have little to no ability to move to a new 
home. Instead, they can face retaliation for reporting unsafe 
housing conditions or illegal actions by landlords. And because 
so few renters have access to legal representation, many are 
unable to assert their legal rights.
    Strengthening and enforcing Federal renter protections is a 
critically needed solution to America's housing crisis, along 
with eliminating restrictive local zoning laws to increase 
supply, increasing investments to make homes affordable to 
people with the lowest incomes through expansions of housing 
choice vouchers and the National Housing Trust Fund, and 
preventing evictions and homelessness with a National Housing 
Stabilization Fund.
    Thank you, again, for the opportunity to testify today. I 
look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Yentel appears as a 
submission for the record.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you. Ms. Calder.

STATEMENT OF VANESSA BROWN CALDER, DIRECTOR OF OPPORTUNITY AND 
     FAMILY POLICY STUDIES, CATO INSTITUTE, WASHINGTON, DC

    Ms. Calder. Chair Klobuchar, Ranking Member Lee, and 
Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to 
testify today.
    My name is Vanessa Brown Calder, and I am the director of 
Opportunity and Family Policy Studies at Cato Institute. The 
views I express today are my own. They do not represent the 
official position of my employer.
    Accessible low-cost housing is vital to the health and 
prosperity of America's families and communities. When housing 
is abundant, it is more affordable. Abundant housing provides 
educational and economic opportunities. It allows families to 
be part of the communities that they desire. Policies that 
support abundant affordable housing are associated with reduced 
homelessness, and better homeless policy outcomes.
    Although junk fees, institutional investors, and similar 
matters have received some recent attention, inaccessible, 
high-cost housing is largely a result of existing Federal, 
State, and local policy. Government policies that constrain 
housing development are particularly detrimental in this 
regard.
    State and local regulations constitute some of the most 
significant policies constraining housing supply. Zoning and 
land use regulations are nearly ubiquitous across American 
cities.
    These regulations directly prohibit housing development, 
increase costs, create uncertainty, and produce delays. Zoning 
regulations have a meaningful impact on family budgets.
    A well-known paper finds that zoning pushes up the cost of 
apartments by around 50 percent in Manhattan, San Francisco, 
and San Jose.
    A recent paper reviewing 24 metropolitan areas finds a 
massive zoning tax up to $500,000 per quarter acre in cities 
with restrictive land use regimes.
    In addition to State and local policy, Federal policy also 
plays a role in limiting housing supply. In Western States, the 
Federal Government owns a substantial portion of the land which 
cannot be developed. In Nevada, Utah, and Idaho the Federal 
Government owns between 60 and 80 percent of the land. In other 
Western States, the Federal Government owns more than a third 
to a half.
    Contrary to public perception, the vast majority of Federal 
lands are not National Parks, Monuments, or Bureau of Indian 
Affairs land.
    Instead, most Federal western land is managed by the Bureau 
of Land Management or U.S. Forest Service. This land is often 
close to urban areas with a significant portion of land within 
city or county boundaries.
    Presented with a similar set of facts in the 1990s, former 
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid led a group of legislators in 
passing the Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act. This 
legislation allowed local governments in the landlocked Las 
Vegas area to nominate Federal land for competitive market 
auction.
    The sale of Federal land in Clark County, subsequently 
resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars allocated to Nevada 
public schools and environmental initiatives, creating a win-
win for Nevada's developers, conservationists, and residents.
    Ranking Member Lee and Co-Sponsors of the Houses Act 
propose extending a similar solution to other Western States.
    The Houses Act would allow local governments to nominate 
and purchase Federal land and develop the land for housing 
projects that meet certain density minimums and other criteria.
    Like the Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act, 
proceeds from the Houses Act would be made available for 
environmental initiatives. Research suggests that the Houses 
Act could have a meaningful impact on housing affordability.
    A recent U.S. Congress Joint Economic Committee study finds 
that Houses reforms could lead to the construction of almost 3 
million homes, and this increase in housing development would 
be possible with a conversion of just 0.1 percent of existing 
Federal land holdings.
    In addition to policies that directly constrain 
development, additional Federal, State, and local policies are 
also relevant to housing affordability.
    When supply-limiting policies are addressed, the 
participation of investors in the housing market will be 
largely inconsequential. Furthermore, the gains that result 
from reforming supply-limiting policies, exceed potential gains 
from regulating junk fees or market participants.
    When considering reforms to improve housing, policymakers 
and analysts should keep in mind that the Government is the 
dominant regulator and player in the housing market.
    As a result, ample reform opportunities exist. Reforms that 
expand housing supply will unleash the housing market and 
ensure that American families have the choice, opportunity, and 
upward mobility that they desire.
    Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Calder appears as a 
submission for the record.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you. Professor.

   STATEMENT OF LUIS E. QUINTERO, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR, JOHNS 
         HOPKINS CAREY BUSINESS SCHOOL, WASHINGTON, DC

    Professor Quintero. Chair Klobuchar, Ranking Member Lee, 
and Members of the Committee, thank you for inviting me to 
participate in today's hearing and for your attention to the 
topic of competition and consumer rights in housing markets, an 
issue of critical national importance.
    My name is Luis Quintero. I'm an economist, and have spent 
8 years at Johns Hopkins, where I do research on housing 
markets and policy.
    In my work, I have documented the increasing consolidation 
of housing markets in the United States, and its detrimental 
effects on housing affordability. And I am pleased that this 
Congress is taking a proactive step to incorporate competition 
in the legislative discussion. Concentration in housing markets 
has been growing since the Great Recession.
    This trend follows the long-term decline in competition 
documented in so many other sectors of the U.S. economy. 
Although market consolidation is not the only factor driving 
the housing affordability problem, it is a critical one.
    During the Great Recession, many local and regional home 
builders stopped operations leaving large national builders 
dominant in many local markets. Furthermore, many of these 
large home builders have since merged.
    My work identifies at least 12 mergers that significantly 
increased the market share for the resulting firms. One of 
those cases formed the largest home building company in the 
country. Although national home prices have recovered since 
2011, the number of building firms has not.
    While prices are up by about 30 percent with respect to 
their peak of 2008, the number of for-sale builders is down 80 
percent. The competitive market forces that incentivize entry 
when prices increase are not being realized in American housing 
markets.
    I estimated that 56 percent of markets exhibit 
concentrations that would fall into the category of highly 
concentrated as defined by the FTC. Most of the gains in market 
shares in recent years come from the increase in the activity 
of 2 home builders.
    Large mergers in this sector have most likely not been 
challenged because regulating authorities may not be defining 
relevant housing markets narrowly enough.
    The whole country is not a single housing market. For 
example, home building in Pittsburgh or Cleveland is not a 
threat to the ability of a hypothetical monopolist to impose a 
significant and non-transitory increase in price in 
Philadelphia.
    Accordingly, housing markets must be correctly spatially 
defined to ensure estimated market shares are useful in 
assessing concentration.
    We should care about market consolidation because it 
affects housing supply and affordability. My estimates predict 
that if we had kept the 2006 levels of competition, the U.S. 
would've built 112 billion more last year--equivalent to 
approximately 160,000 additional units. This roughly equals to 
10 percent of the private residential fixed investment 
predicted for 2023.
    We should encourage agencies to enforce competitive policy 
in housing markets more effectively, and ask housing policies 
to incorporate market structure considerations.
    I would like to offer six recommendations for this 
Committee's consideration.
    First, encourage regulatory agencies to carefully define 
local housing markets spatially when revising mergers.
    Two, consider legislation that shifts the burden of proof 
to home building companies in large scale mergers, asking them 
to show they cannot exert monopoly power in any local relevant 
market where they have building activity.
    Three, encourage enforcement agencies to request mandatory 
divestitures in markets where a merger will cause high 
concentration.
    Four, encourage the Federal Government to make increasing 
competition a pillar of housing policies. For example, by 
requiring a minimum number of home builders participating in 
areas that get low income housing tax credits.
    Five, encourage the same for statewide policies. Recent 
initiatives to relax restrictive zoning may be ineffective if 
local developers can just withhold production by exercising 
monopoly power.
    And six, when considering the Philadelphia National Bank 
presumption, make sure market shares are defined using relevant 
spatial definitions of local housing markets.
    Thank you, and I would be pleased to answer any questions 
you may have.
    [The prepared statement of Professor Quintero appears as a 
submission for the record.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Well, thank you very, very much. Mr. 
Antoni.

    STATEMENT OF E.J. ANTONI, RESEARCH FELLOW, THE HERITAGE 
                   FOUNDATION, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Antoni. Chair Klobuchar, Ranking Member Lee, Members of 
the Subcommittee, thank you for the invitation to discuss with 
you today the current state of competition in the housing 
market, and the impact public policy has had on the American 
consumer.
    I'm a public finance economist at the Heritage Foundation 
where I research fiscal and monetary policy. I'm also a senior 
fellow at the Committee to Unleash Prosperity.
    Americans today are facing historic challenges to achieving 
the American dream of home ownership, a dream which might now 
be better described as a nightmare.
    Home ownership affordability is arguably at a record low 
today, with 43.8 percent of the median household before tax 
income needed to purchase the median price home.
    In several major metropolitan areas of the country, over 
100 percent of the median household after tax income is needed 
to purchase the median price home. A recent report showed that 
a median price home is unaffordable for the average income 
earner in 99 percent of the 572 counties examined.
    Another report indicates that a potential home buyer needs 
an annual income over 50 percent higher than the median 
household income to afford a median price home, which is a 
record high.
    While recent data shows that home ownership is 70 percent 
more expensive today than renting--the largest spread in 23 
years--rent prices are also at record highs according to a 
variety of data, including figures from the Bureau of Labor 
Statistics.
    The unaffordability of housing today has largely been 
caused by public policy. By manipulating interest rates to 
facilitate spending and borrowing by the Treasury Department, 
the Federal Reserve created disruptions in the economy.
    The unprecedented size of fiscal and monetary interventions 
in the last 3 years made the magnitude of these disruptions 
historic. The creation of trillions of dollars predictably 
spawned 40-year high inflation, which caused prices everywhere 
to rise.
    Low interest rates also made increasingly larger mortgages 
affordable, which drove home prices to new highs. Because 
interest rates were held so much lower than their natural 
equilibrium, investments, which would not ordinarily be 
profitable, suddenly became so.
    Institutional investors were able to buy swaths of housing 
for the purpose of renting. When the Federal Reserve belatedly 
raised interest rates to reduce the inflation it had helped 
cause, financing costs rose dramatically, especially for 
mortgages.
    Fixed interest rates on 30-year mortgages have more than 
tripled from their lows only a few years ago, and the monthly 
mortgage payment on a median price home has more than doubled 
since January, 2021. While higher interest rates put downward 
pressure on home pricesc, that is being countered today by at 
least two factors.
    First, most existing homeowners cannot afford to sell their 
home because doing so would mean losing a mortgage with a rate 
of 2 to 3 percent in exchange for a new loan at 7 to 8 percent. 
That would drastically reduce the size of the loan, sometimes 
by half, that the borrower could afford on the new home.
    Thus, the supply of existing homes has been severely 
hamstrung--so much so that the price premium on new homes has 
been reduced almost to zero.
    Second, the price indexes faced by home builders are at or 
near record highs. Home builders therefore cannot afford to 
lower their prices. A new home at an affordable price for the 
median household, would be priced below the home builder's 
profitability threshold, so those homes simply aren't being 
built. Thus, the supply of new homes has also been curtailed, 
putting additional upward pressure on prices, even as interest 
rates continue rising.
    The unaffordability of home ownership has forced many 
Americans to rent, and that shift in demand coupled with 
inflation, has increased the price of renting.
    While algorithmic pricing aids have come under scrutiny 
recently amid accusations of their role in higher rent prices, 
there is no empirical evidence that such tools have increased 
prices absent collusion among landlords. An act which is 
illegal, whether algorithmic pricing aids are used or not.
    There is even reason to believe that algorithmic pricing 
aids reduce rents for the marginal renter.
    Additionally, while the purchase of homes by institutional 
investors have reduced the supply of homes for sale and 
increased home prices, it has also increased the supply of 
homes for rent and decreased rent prices.
    Unfortunately, public policy mistakes have created a 
situation where an entire generation of Americans may never be 
able to afford their own home, persistent inflation has made it 
almost impossible for many Americans to ever afford a down 
payment large enough for the monthly payments on a mortgage to 
be affordable.
    The solution is a drastic reduction in the amount of money 
that the Federal Reserve creates and that the Congress spends.
    If there is an antitrust problem regarding housing, it is 
the monopoly control of the Nation's money supply.
    Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Antoni appears as a 
submission for the record.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Very good. Thank you very much, Dr. 
Antoni. Next up, Professor Stucke.

STATEMENT OF MAURICE E. STUCKE, DOUGLAS A. BLAZE DISTINGUISHED 
   PROFESSOR OF LAW, UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE COLLEGE OF LAW, 
                      KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE

    Professor Stucke. Thank you so much for inviting me to 
testify today.
    So what does antitrust have to do with the concerns in the 
housing market?
    Now, you already heard about mergers increasing 
concentration in the home building market, and another concern 
that my colleague here mentioned is algorithmic collusion.
    Many of the Nation's larger property managers rely on 
pricing algorithms provided by RealPage and Yardi. Property 
managers using RealPage's algorithm, for example, saw their 
revenues increase on average 3 to 4 percent, while their 
occupancy rates declined from 97 to 95 percent.
    One economic study found the same thing in geographic 
markets where property managers increasingly relied on 
algorithms for their rent, namely higher rents, on average 3 
percent higher, and lower occupancy rate than markets where 
pricing algorithms were in prevalent after controlling for 
observable market characteristics and local market conditions.
    So after Heather Vogell's ProPublica article, there have 
been now over 20 antitrust lawsuits brought against RealPage 
and some of the Nation's largest property developers.
    They're all in the Middle District of Tennessee, and all of 
the lawsuits alleged that RealPage colluded with property 
developers to raise rents and reduce output.
    So one issue for you is, can the antitrust laws effectively 
punish and deter this alleged anticompetitive behavior?
    And the short answer is, yes, if humans agreed among 
themselves to fix price, and RealPage's pricing algorithm was 
then used to facilitate their collusion.
    But the antitrust law as currently applied by the courts, 
cannot punish and deter this anticompetitive behavior in three 
scenarios.
    First, is tacit algorithmic collusion. This is where the 
algorithms learn to tacitly collude without any agreement.
    Second is what--is a hub and spoke algorithmic collusion 
scheme where rivals gradually drift to one algorithm without 
any agreement among the rim.
    And then third, is what we call secondary tacit collusion, 
where rivals rely on several different hubs for their pricing, 
but those hubs then learn to tacitly collude.
    Now, the harm from these three scenarios is the same as if 
the executives were agreeing among themselves in a smoke-filled 
hotel room, namely higher prices and reduced output.
    But this is not just a U.S. problem. I mean, many 
jurisdictions recognize that it's hard to challenge this type 
of collusion under their current antitrust law, and it's not 
just simply an issue in housing markets.
    Two recent studies have found evidence of tacit algorithmic 
collusion in Germany's retail gas station market, as well as on 
bol.com, the largest online shopping marketplace in the 
Netherlands and Belgium.
    So as more companies adopt pricing algorithms, this can be 
at times pro-competitive, but it also can be anticompetitive 
and beyond the reach of the antitrust law.
    So if I can impress upon you one thing today, it's this: AI 
will only compound the legislative deficit to date. These 
problems will not go away. And you need then to then look at 
this holistically from three different approaches.
    First, Congress should endorse the FTC's use of its 
authority under Section 5 of the FTC Act to tackle algorithmic 
collusion. And in addition, consider displacing the unwieldy 
rule of reason standard with clearer legal presumptions 
concerning certain vertical restraints.
    Second, the primary weapon to deal with algorithmic 
collusion is merger review. And the good news is this: that 
Congress has already proposed some of the tools necessary, such 
as restoring the incipiency standard in the merger review.
    And to note, it would be the Competition and Antitrust Law 
Enforcement Reform Act, and then the Prohibiting 
Anticompetitive Mergers Act of 2022.
    Finally, any comprehensive policy response must address not 
only algorithmic collusion, but also the other myriad risks 
involving AI. And this includes concerns over behavioral 
discrimination.
    So we need privacy legislation, where individuals without 
penalty can opt out of the collection of their data for 
behavioral advertising.
    They can opt out of having their data collected about them 
in order to profile them.
    They can opt out of personalized services.
    And then they can also decide the right to limit at the 
onset what personal data is collected about them and--for what 
non-advertising purpose.
    And this is just necessary. I mean, we see that in Europe, 
they already have the DMA. They're taking these additional 
steps. We need to do something as well to address the risks of 
AI.
    Look forward to your questions. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Professor Stucke appears as a 
submission for the record.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you. Music to my ears, Professor 
Stucke. And thank you for, kind of, looking at this in that 
larger context of some of the need for reform of our antitrust 
laws.
    So thank you, all of you. I'm going to give my first 
slotted time to Senator Hirono, who's been patiently waiting, 
and then we'll turn to Senator Lee.
    Senator Hirono. Thank you, Madam Chair, and Ranking Member 
for having this hearing.
    There's no question that the cost of housing is an issue 
throughout our country, and I am very well aware of how 
critical that is in Hawaii.
    In July, Hawaii Governor Josh Green issued an emergency 
proclamation on Hawaii's housing crisis. Not a simple thing, by 
the way.
    The average single-family house in Oahu now costs over $1 
million and less than one third of households can afford to buy 
a home. Another third cannot afford rent, in part, because of 
these figures. Hawaii loses another resident every 36 minutes. 
Let that sink in.
    As of 2022, there were more native Hawaiians living on the 
mainland than in Hawaii. All of that predates the fire that 
devastated Lahaina and destroyed 3,000 homes and apartments, 
many of which house working class families.
    Why do I bring up these facts? Well, junk fees, invest your 
own homes, and supply chain shortages aren't entirely 
responsible for this crisis. But in such a tight market, they 
have an outsize effect.
    For Professor Stucke, this is the Antitrust Subcommittee. 
So I'm--I'm interested to know what can we do with our 
antitrust laws?
    I believe you mentioned some changes we could make to the 
FTC's ability to go after algorithmic collusion, but perhaps 
some Sherman Act changes could also be helpful. Can you just 
talk a little bit more about some of the kinds of antitrust 
changes that you mentioned?
    Professor Stucke. Sure. Certainly. I outlined them at the 
end, and one thing is, is that, you know, the concern about 
junk fees, you have to ask yourself, ``Why isn't competition 
addressing this?''
    In fact, why are firms increasingly competing to find 
better ways to manipulate consumers?
    Senator Hirono. Uh-huh.
    Professor Stucke. And this might happen in markets that 
aren't monopolistic or aren't having just a few competitors.
    So one area for competition authorities, is to understand 
when competition isn't working, what are the assumptions 
underlying competition, and what is happening that is 
preventing competition from being a race to the top rather than 
a race to the bottom.
    So this happens not only with junk fees, it's also with 
drip pricing and the like. And the FTC can go after that as an 
unfair method of competition. They can provide the necessary 
guardrails.
    The other area is with respect to pricing algorithms. I 
mean, your principle weapon is going to be mergers to prevent 
markets from becoming highly concentrated that this algorithm 
can occur.
    But the problem is, is that courts have drifted away----
    Senator Hirono. Mm-hmm.
    Professor Stucke [continuing]. And view themselves 
basically as fortune tellers that have to predict what will 
happen after the merger and expect the agencies to prove higher 
prices post-merger. And as an enforcer of yourself for 
antitrust laws, you know how difficult that could be.
    Senator Hirono. So basically, I mean, while we can, I 
think, possibly clarify and strengthen some of the antitrust 
provisions, it seems to me the bottom line in our housing 
situation is demand.
    There is so much more demand than there is availability of 
affordable for purchase and rentals.
    And this is something that Ms. Yentel--you and I co-wrote 
an op-ed back in 2019 about the affordable housing crisis and 
my Pathway bill.
    How would combating--getting back to junk fees and other 
predatory fees--be part of a comprehensive solution to our 
country's housing crisis?
    Ms. Yentel. Well, as you and I have talked about in the 
past and raised awareness around, when you're looking at the 
lowest income people who have maybe a combined household 
earnings of $25,000, or a senior, or a person with a disability 
who's on an extremely limited fixed income of $15,000, they're 
already living doubled----
    Senator Hirono. Mm-hmm.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. Or tripled up. They're already 
paying 50, 60, 70 percent of their very limited income just to 
keep a roof over their heads----
    Senator Hirono. So what can we do?
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. Any additional expense----
    Senator Hirono [continuing]. We're running out of time. We 
know what the--there are so many challenges, but what can we do 
from the congressional level to--one thing, we could fund some 
of the housing support----
    Ms. Yentel. Absolutely. We have to----
    Senator Hirono [continuing]. Programs.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. We have to build more housing 
that's affordable to the lowest income people.
    We have to make existing housing affordable to the people 
living in it with rental assistance.
    We need robust and enforced tenant protections.
    And when it comes to extra fees that landlords are paying, 
we need full transparency. And they need to be minimized, the 
number of fees that landlords can charge tenants, because every 
dollar adds up, and that's another bill----
    Senator Hirono. Yes.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. That a tenant must pay.
    Senator Hirono. I think there's a bill that puts the price 
at $25 more in these kinds of fees. There's a lot we can do. 
Thank you very much for all of your testimony.
    Ms. Yentel. Thank you.
    Senator Hirono. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you, Senator Hirono. Senator Lee.
    Senator Lee. Thanks so much, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Calder, I'd like to start with you, if that's all 
right. In your experience, where have you seen the most acute 
impact of significant Federal land ownership in housing prices? 
Where in the United States does that show up?
    Ms. Calder. Well, your staff at the Joint Economic 
Committee actually put together a great report on this and 
went, sort of, State by State.
    And I think a couple of the States that stood out to me: 
California actually has a huge housing shortage, there are 
certainly Utah, Nevada--of course, Nevada is mostly Federal 
land. And there are some others that are listed there, as well. 
And you, sort of, go State by State on those.
    I think, you know, broadly speaking, the Federal lands 
issue is something that affects all Western States. So it's not 
a single State that is impacted to a much greater degree than 
the others. But all of them would benefit substantially from 
Federal lands reform.
    Senator Lee. Right, right. And it's an interesting thing to 
study because if--in any State there--first of all, there is no 
comparable landowner to the United States in America--nowhere.
    Nobody could afford to own that much land. But even if 
there were, they couldn't exempt themselves from all economic 
forces including property taxation. And it certainly wouldn't 
exceed a few percentage points.
    But from a competition policy standpoint, there would be 
concern if any one individual, a corporation, nonprofit, NGO, 
whatever, owned more than, I don't know, 5 or 10 percent of the 
land in a State, it'd be pretty concerning.
    And so it's not surprising that in a State like Utah, where 
67 percent of the land--two thirds of it is owned by one 
owner--that owner exempts itself from property taxation and all 
economic forces, it's going to have a significant constraint on 
the availability of housing supply.
    Especially in a rugged State where a lot of our land is 
mountainous, and you've got a limited number of places where 
people could live to begin with. But it's drastically more 
limited when most of the land that could be inhabited by 
humans, is owned by the Federal Government.
    What do you think can be done to alleviate some of the 
problems created by this significant land ownership? It doesn't 
have to necessarily result in a housing shortage. Does it?
    Ms. Calder. Well, I think certainly, you know, zoning 
reform is part of the answer. Right? So you can get more units 
by reforming zoning at the local level.
    You can build--you can build two directions: You can build 
up and you can build out. And so I think both pieces are part 
of the equation when it comes to making improvements to housing 
affordability.
    And I certainly think that the Houses reforms, or something 
likened to it, is part of the equation when it comes to 
improving housing supply in Western States.
    Senator Lee. Right. You mentioned in your testimony that it 
would require just 0.1 percent of Federal land holdings in 
order to substantially increase the availability of housing in 
Western States, even eliminating altogether what are known as 
the housing availability shortages in some States.
    Is it your impression that this 0.1 percent change in 
Federal land holdings would--what would that do to the overall 
experience of Federal lands?
    I mean, does that cause a meaningful change for these land 
management agencies and those who enjoy accessing those lands 
to affect 0.1 percent of the Federal land holdings in those 
States?
    Ms. Calder. Yes, I think we need to think about what type 
of land, again, this is. And as I mentioned in my testimony, 
it's--with the Houses Act anyways, it would be BLM land that's 
really impacted by this, that would be, you know, that would be 
nominated, and then purchased, and then developed into housing.
    So BLM land, for those that aren't familiar, historically, 
it was land that homesteaders had passed over. It was land that 
other agencies, other Federal agencies didn't want to manage.
    Oftentimes when we're thinking of sort of the desert or 
Intermountain West, what this ends up looking like is sagebrush 
and desert land. And so it's not the scenic vistas, it's not 
National Parks, it's not Bureau of Indian Affairs Land.
    So from that perspective, I don't think the public would 
probably notice very much. What I think the public would notice 
is the funding that is being transferred into improvements to 
National Parks and other types of infrastructure that they're 
going to benefit directly from. And that's something that the 
Houses Act allows for.
    Senator Lee. And significant benefits that go along with 
cost of living improvements along with that.
    Mr. Antoni, what role has Government spending and 
irresponsible monetary policy at the Federal level played in 
the more than doubling of the cost of home ownership just in 
the last 2 years?
    Mr. Antoni. Thank you, Senator for the question. It has 
been the main driver. And without that cause, we would not have 
had the effect that we currently have today, where home 
ownership is just grossly unaffordable for the vast majority of 
Americans.
    When the Federal Reserve set out to create the trillions of 
dollars that the Treasury Department needed to spend over the 
last several years, it created inflation which caused the price 
of everything to rise, especially homes.
    But its low interest rate policy, essentially a zero 
percent interest rate, compounded that because it made the 
monthly payment on a mortgage incredibly low.
    And so you could afford a much larger mortgage for the 
exact same payment relative to let's say a normal interest 
rate, or the interest rates that we had at the end of 2019, or 
even the first 2 months of 2020.
    And so if you take away that, that root cause, you 
essentially remove the first link in the chain that we have 
had--that we are--have been dealing with and are still dealing 
with today, in terms of the unaffordability of home ownership, 
which has also compounded the problems in renting.
    Because the shift of demand--as people move away from 
trying to buy a home to rent a home, because home ownership is 
simply too unaffordable--they are now increasing the demand for 
rents, which is driving up the price of rental units.
    And so it is not simply a problem contained to home 
ownership, but it is housing in general.
    Senator Lee. And the distribution of the victims that are 
harmed by this is not exactly even across the economic 
spectrum. I mean, it is disproportionately affecting the middle 
class and low-income earners. Right?
    Mr. Antoni. Certainly, Senator. And this is true for 
inflation generally, but specifically for housing those who 
have the least are hurt the most by it, an extension of the 
Matthew Principle, I suppose you could say.
    And so what we are seeing today is essentially an entire 
generation of Americans who, for the first time in recent 
history, may never be able to own their own home. Because as 
they continue saving, the savings that they have are losing 
value every day in the bank from inflation while the price of 
homes go up.
    And so they need an ever-growing down payment in order to 
buy a home. And the down payment needs to be especially large, 
so that they can afford the monthly payment at such high 
interest rates.
    And the problem is, that, that in that rat race, 
essentially, they will never actually get to the point where 
they have enough money for that down payment.
    Because as you were saying earlier, they are constantly 
seeing their earnings decrease in terms of what they can buy. 
And so there is less left over at the end of every month after 
they have paid for all of their necessities, including their 
ever-increasing rents to be able to save for that down payment.
    Senator Lee. Rich people made out pretty well in this. Rich 
people who wanted to buy up a lot of stuff, they made out 
really well--and just did so at the expense of the poor and 
middle class.
    And all of this, if I'm understanding you correctly, has to 
do with the manipulation of the interest rates by the Fed and, 
in part, in, to a significant degree anyway, to help facilitate 
the financing of reckless Federal spending by Congress.
    In other words, Congress doesn't want to exercise the 
discipline to spend no more than it takes in or anything close 
to it. It wants the praise of spending more money without 
having to do the hard work.
    And in order to finance all of that there's pressure on the 
Federal Reserve to keep rates low. That makes it easier for 
Congress to avoid doing the difficult work, and it perversely 
helps rich people while hurting poor middle-class Americans. Is 
that a fair assessment?
    Mr. Antoni. I think so, Senator. Especially when you 
consider that those who were already homeowners or those who in 
the initial stages of the pandemic, for example, were able to 
take advantage of these historically low mortgage rates, they 
were able to acquire that capital at relatively low prices 
before the inflation set in, in the months and years that 
followed.
    And so they were able, again, to acquire capital at a 
relatively low cost, and then to see the price of that capital 
appreciate noticeably in the months and years that followed.
    Senator Lee. Thank you.
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you, very much, Senator Lee.
    I'll start with you, Ms. Yentel. Can you talk about the 
type of junk fees that renters are faced with? I don't think 
people are always--who don't rent anymore, maybe rented at some 
point--are not familiar with what's going on.
    Ms. Yentel. There can be a whole--thank you, Senator 
Klobuchar. There can be a whole host of fees added on to a 
renter's rent payment each month, ranging from first rental 
application fees to get into the apartment in the first place, 
and then, fees related to late payments, notices of late 
payments can have an extra fee. There's pet fees. There's fees 
for using a garage or fees for an internet usage that's 
mandatory and somebody can't opt out of.
    There's been stories of these fees adding up to as much as 
$400 a month in addition to the rental payment. And sometimes 
they can be very egregious.
    We have a partner in Idaho who worked with a tenant whose 
son brought home from school one day a praying mantis in a jar, 
and that month they were charged a pet fee from the landlord.
    The good news was that that spurred a successful campaign 
for the State of Idaho, now, to have a law that requires full 
transparency up front about any fees that might be paid and 
requires that they be made reasonable. But they really can be 
egregious, and they certainly add up.
    Chair Klobuchar. Wow. Just remembering back, my mom was a 
second grade teacher and sometimes these types of animals would 
get lost when they went home.
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. Yentel. Yes.
    Chair Klobuchar. They were usually found, like the rabbits 
and things. But anyway, that's incredible. But I do think it 
gives us a sense of that, and those of us who rent when we're 
here actually know some of this, as well.
    Professor Stucke, just to go through this again, because I 
think it's a hard thing to get a grasp on. There have been 
numerous reports and lawsuits highlighting these price-setting 
tools that collect the pricing data--and as you widely point 
out, there's no Federal privacy law in place, which is a 
problem--to coordinate price increases among competing 
landlords. So they're able to get this data.
    And could you explain how these pricing tools could 
facilitate these higher prices? So they get the data, and then 
it's shared, and how can that lead to these higher prices where 
you could see it as a not a traditional way of fixing prices, 
maybe, but a way of doing it in the modern digital age?
    Professor Stucke. Okay. So, I mean, there are several 
scenarios.
    One scenario is where every firm has their own pricing 
algorithm. So when you go to like Martha's Vineyard, one thing 
you're surprised by is the high price of gas.
    But what one study found is that when gasoline stations 
start having these pricing algorithms, the speed in the 
response can prevent any company from getting an advantage by 
discounting.
    So what happens then, in these markets, is that prices 
start then elevating up. So algorithms can help facilitate 
collusion in markets already susceptible to it, but it can also 
increase it.
    Another scenario, and this happened in Las Vegas, is where 
allegedly 90 percent of the hotels are all using one hub. And 
so no competitor is going to give commercially sensitive 
information to the hub if the hub can then use it to help the 
rivals.
    So there must be some understanding that they're going to 
share, on a real-time basis, commercially sensitive information 
with the hub so that it's going to benefit all of them.
    Chair Klobuchar. Okay. So you rightfully noted these--some 
of the bills, some of them are my bills, that you could do 
generically to fix the antitrust laws--tweaks, things you could 
do.
    Because it's very hard to bring any cases, including in 
tech and other things right now, where we've had no specific 
laws really passed except for Senator Lee's, which I'm the 
proud Co-Sponsor bill on not changing venues, and then our bill 
to change the merger fees that Grassley and I had to, to get 
more money to the agencies.
    Could you talk specifically what you could do about this 
specifically to update our competition laws so that these tools 
as they are called, or price-setting tools as they can be used 
for, cannot be used to raise rent above what would occur in a 
competitive marketplace?
    Professor Stucke. Right. I mean, I think there are several 
things that can be done.
    Number one is to restore the incipiency standard and 
antitrust that courts are adrift. They used to interpret the 
antitrust laws with the aim that Congress had intended. Right? 
Celler-Kefauver in 1950 enacted these amendments to the 
antitrust laws and the Supreme Court construed the law as 
Congress intended.
    That's no longer the case. So one way would be to restore 
the incipiency standard, which your bill does.
    The second thing, then, would be a different standard than 
the rule of reason for information exchanges, just because the 
rule of reason is just amorphous and unwieldy.
    And then the third thing--and I think this is what like 
John Stuart Mill said about one of the good things that the 
Government can do--is collect a lot of information and then 
disseminate it.
    So one nice thing about your bill is improving the 
knowledge that we have about what antitrust policies work and 
not work. I mean, when I was at the DOJ, it was always 
surprising that we would allow these mergers to happen and then 
we never followed up to see----
    Chair Klobuchar. Years later.
    Professor Stucke. Yes. To see if it was right. And so----
    Chair Klobuchar. Ticketmaster, Live Nation. Anyway--and I'm 
sorry. My mind just went to something else.
    [Laughter.]
    Chair Klobuchar. Keep going.
    Professor Stucke. But I would think that's one of the most 
important aspects that we can have. And then we could learn 
more about what markets are susceptible to tacit collusion.
    Is there a specific threshold? Like one study found, once 
it went beyond 8 sellers, the use of pricing algorithms became 
quite vigorous.
    And so we just need to have a better understanding and the 
United States can play an important role in that.
    Chair Klobuchar. One of the most pressing issues is not 
enough affordable homes. We just talked about that, single-
family starter homes.
    So like, Dr. Quintero, could you explain how having fewer 
home builders in a market reduces the supply of new homes?
    Professor Quintero. Thanks for the question, Chair 
Klobuchar. The underlying concern about competition, in 
general, is how fewer suppliers of any good or service are just 
going to supply less of it.
    And as a consequence, with a fixed demand, or in this case 
for housing with a growing demand, prices would go up. This is 
what has been happening in housing. We have fewer and fewer 
developers building and it's in their own interest to charge 
higher prices.
    And that is not a new story. That's an old story. That's a 
story of housing markets. The problem is that as prices have 
gone up since 2011, we have not seen an entry of new developers 
that compete with those that are incumbent.
    And so what we find is that those that have an interest in 
supplying less to charge higher prices, are not being 
threatened by competitors in many----
    Chair Klobuchar. Uh-huh.
    Professor Quintero [continuing]. Of the local markets.
    Chair Klobuchar. And so do you think that's something 
antitrust enforcers should look at in the future when mergers 
are presented to them?
    Professor Quintero. Yes. There's been at least 12 mergers 
that, if you look at the housing markets well-defined 
spatially, should have been challenged by any regulatory 
agency. They would've been challenged in other sectors.
    My belief and my understanding is that what they're doing 
is, they're defining, in some cases, whole regions of the 
United States--in one case that I could find, the whole U.S. as 
a single housing market. I think that is wrong. We as 
potential----
    Chair Klobuchar. They should like talk to the people in 
Jackson County, Minnesota.
    Professor Quintero. Right. As potential homeowners, we're 
not substituting between the possibility of living in DC and 
living in LA. Right? So----
    Chair Klobuchar. Yes----
    Professor Quintero [continuing]. So, yes.
    Chair Klobuchar. So, that was that last comment. Then I'll 
turn it over to Senator Hirono--or Senator Lee for additional 
questions, then Senator Hirono for a second round.
    But one of the things that have been troubling to me is in 
some of our rural areas, where we have very steady employers, 
we really do.
    And whether it's the ag economy or whether it's a 
manufacturing--we have a lot of major companies--there's still 
issues with this housing and there's just not enough builders 
and the land is not as expensive.
    We don't have the land issue that Senator Lee was referring 
to in our State. And I just--I can't help but think that in the 
old days, there were just more smaller people that were coming 
in in the home building industry. Because we just can't get--
I've called, built, I've done everything. And we've looked at 
what incentives can we have to bid them. These are usually 
maybe--they're a mix of housing. Right?
    They're starter homes. Some of them are traditionally 
affordable. Some of that next step up. And it's really hard, 
and it's hurting our rural employers because it's like chicken 
and egg. They want to expand, these are like manufacturing, but 
they can't really expand because they don't have the housing.
    And some of it is getting seniors to move into town, but 
then you need the condos. If they build them, they'll come. And 
then that frees up the single family. So, thank you. Senator 
Lee.
    Senator Lee. Thank you. My next question is going to be 
both for Ms. Calder and Mr. Antoni. In your testimony, you both 
mentioned one way or another that the impact of government 
regulation, whether it be State, Federal, or local on housing 
prices. What--what government regulations do you think 
specifically cause the greatest increase in home prices? We'll 
start with you, Ms. Calder.
    Ms. Calder. Well, I think there's a broad body of research 
on, again, State, and local zoning regulations. Really that's 
coming from a local level. And among those regulations, I think 
they all sort of add on, augment each other in ways where you 
can't--it's not totally easy to pull any one out and say, if 
you just fix this one thing, then you would fix housing 
affordability and housing supply.
    Because if you fix the one regulation, then the other 
regulations are all manipulatable, and they can also be made 
more restrictive in ways that won't allow for housing to be 
developed.
    That said, I think density regulations are really 
problematic. So where you sort of zone the whole city as 
single-family homes, that's going to be an issue because, of 
course, it limits housing.
    And I think, aside from that, you know, minimum lot sizes 
that are very large, those are going to be issues, as well, 
and, you know, just permitting processes that are very lengthy, 
and very uncertain, and very open-ended.
    That doesn't give developers a lot of confidence as they're 
going through these processes and trying to make plans.
    Senator Lee. So it's the amalgamation of all of them, the 
combined effect of all of them, particularly some of those that 
you mentioned, like minimum lot sizes and things like that, end 
up creating an environment in which relatively few people can 
navigate this byzantine labyrinth of regulations to be able to 
get it done.
    That, in turn, probably leads to more consolidation, which 
might help explain at least some of the answers what Senator 
Klobuchar was talking about, by the fact that there aren't as 
many sort of smaller builders in many communities as there once 
were--because there's such an advantage that goes to a larger 
producer who has the experience and the extra resources to be 
able to devote to complying with those things.
    Mr. Antoni, do you have anything you want to add to that 
one?
    Mr. Antoni. Senator, I think another key thing that's 
important not to overlook here are regulations dealing with the 
financial sector. And the reason that is--that has such an 
impact in the context of housing is because almost everyone who 
buys a house does so through financing.
    And so when we have regulations that force lenders to look 
at things essentially other than risk, what you are doing is 
you are divorcing the individual, the borrower, from their 
ability to repay a loan.
    And so from the lender's perspective, that builds losses 
into their business model. And as a consequence of that, they 
need to spread out those losses among all borrowers.
    In other words, it increases the cost of capital, it 
increases the cost of lending. And that trickles down into more 
expensive mortgages for everyone.
    One other thing that I think might be getting missed here, 
because so much of what we're focusing on, and rightly so, is 
the price of the home.
    But also, what about what is in the home? Things like 
appliances. We have all kinds of regulations, for example, that 
are aimed at increasing the efficiency of what--it could be 
your refrigerator, it could be your dishwasher, your clothes 
washer, dryer, etc.
    And so many of these regulations that do increase appliance 
efficiency are actually a net loss for the consumer because of 
the increased cost.
    And when we're talking about these regulation-imposed cost 
increases, they tend to be completely missed because of hedonic 
adjustments in things, like the CPI. So they're typically not 
included in inflation metrics.
    And, actually, a colleague of mine, Casey Mulligan, who's a 
professor at the University of Chicago, he has pointed out that 
the cost of regulations today are, on the average American 
family, are literally thousands of dollars more per year than 
they were just 4 years ago.
    Senator Lee. Yes. That sort of thing adds up. Plus, a lot 
of the appliances just don't do as good of a job. But that's 
a--that's a conversation for a--for a different day. But you're 
exactly right. Those add up.
    And unlike our tax bill, where we can see at the end of the 
year how much we're paying, you can't see the regulatory 
compliance costs. There's no comprehensive bill for it.
    We have in our minds this idea that those are all paid for 
by corporations. And in a sense they are, but not really, 
because they get passed down to hardworking Americans who pay 
higher prices for goods and services, everything they buy.
    And they also pay for it in meaningful ways through 
diminished wages, unemployment, and underemployment.
    What have you observed in your market analysis throughout 
the country? Are there factors that apply uniquely to 
metropolitan areas, more heavily populated areas? What do you 
see there in terms of home affordability, specifically in major 
metropolitan urban environments?
    Mr. Antoni. Well, what we find, Senator, typically, is in 
those major metropolitan areas, a higher level of regulation. 
And we also find higher taxes, you know, on average. And so we 
have higher costs of home ownership in those areas.
    On page 4 of my testimony, for example, you look at the 
most expensive areas in the country, almost all of them are in 
California, in terms of owning a home.
    In fact, in several of those areas, the median--the median 
income, it actually requires more than a hundred percent of the 
median after-tax income to buy the median-priced home in those 
areas.
    In other words, it's literally impossible for the typical 
American family to buy a home in those places.
    Conversely, as you start getting into typically more 
suburban or rural areas, and you typically see taxes and 
regulation go down, home ownership, affordability, on average, 
does tend to rise.
    Senator Lee. And that, in turn, ends up creating even more 
disparities as you look across the economic spectrum. Because 
if you're in one of those areas, you're unfortunate enough to 
live in there, some of the--setting aside the graduated income 
tax system that we have--some of the benefits associated with 
home ownership, like the mortgage interest deduction either 
phases out or ends at, I think, around $500,000, or something 
like that.
    So if you happen to be in one of those areas, even if 
you've got the cheapest home in your community, you might be 
priced out of it in multiple ways--and making it even harder 
for people who are just below the economic threshold of people 
who could otherwise purchase in that area, you may never get 
there. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chair Klobuchar. Okay. Thank you. Senator Hirono.
    Senator Hirono. Thank you. I just have a few follow-up 
questions and one new question.
    Professor Quintero, while there's a severe shortage of 
affordable housing in our cities, and it--the new work from 
home dynamic means that there is often a glut of office space 
available. So some cities and developers are working together 
to convert underutilized office space to residential.
    For example, in Honolulu, you can now live in the office 
building that houses the Federal bankruptcy court. Could 
relaxing or altering building codes and incentives to encourage 
office to residential conversions to be part of the solution to 
our affordable housing crisis?
    Professor Quintero. Anything that increases the effective 
supply of homes, whether it be new homes or existing, would 
help toward a solution.
    The case I'm, I'm most familiar with is Baltimore, where 
there's been a significant move toward conversions from----
    Senator Hirono. Mm-hmm.
    Professor Quintero [continuing]. Commercial to residential.
    There's a significant barrier in terms, one structural, the 
other one in legal terms and zoning regulations that prevent 
these conversions from being done cheaply and quickly. And so I 
think there's a long way to go for conversions to actually 
solve the problem, but they would be a step in the right 
direction.
    Senator Hirono. Well, to the extent that all these States 
and counties also have the zoning regulations, there may be a 
way for us to approach the--supporting these kinds of 
conversions with health and safety in mind, of course, on a 
national level. So if you have some ideas along those lines, 
please pass them on.
    For Professor Stucke, in the multi-district litigation that 
has been filed against RealPage, one of the allegations was 
from someone who has utilized RealPage, he said that, 
``Although we''--meaning him--``we are,'' they're, ``all 
technically competitors, RealPage helps us to work together to 
make us all more successful in our pricing.''
    And so, short of an agreement, that is definitely price 
fixing.
    And so, based on the Supreme Court's current posture on 
price fixing, tacit collusion, or conscious parallelism, these 
are not price fixing. So is this--now that we have these new 
tools or new entities, such as a RealPage with algorithms, this 
is not Bob giving you information.
    This is a whole system. Don't you think that we need to 
have some changes, as I mentioned, to our antitrust laws, to--
to address the new tools that are being utilized that basically 
results in fixed prices?
    Professor Stucke. Absolutely. So antitrust needs to be 
modernized for the digital economy. The last time you've had 
meaningful antitrust regulation was--update to legislation was 
over like, you know, what is it, 50 years ago?
    Senator Hirono. Mm-hmm.
    Professor Stucke. And so you--but tacit collusion is very 
tricky to get at by itself, because it can just be the response 
of market participants.
    Like you can have tacit collusion in markets where like I--
one way to explain to my students tacit collusion is, I say, 
``Break up into groups of two or three. Here's the monopoly 
price, here's the competitive price. Just show each other the 
price that you're going to charge for that day.''
    And then after 10, 15 rounds, they report their results. 
Invariably it's close to the monopoly rate.
    And so how as an enforcer, can you get at that? Right? You 
can't tell a competitor not to look at its rival's rates. So 
getting at this collusion directly head on is very difficult.
    So the best way to do it is to get at it indirectly. That 
would be through merger review, and then any sort of 
facilitating practices that can help achieve that algorithmic 
collusion. For example, sharing of confidential information 
with the hub.
    Senator Hirono. I think we need to do something because 
there's just a lot of these new kind of tools, AI, all of these 
new tools that did not exist 50 years ago when the basic 
antitrust laws were first being articulated. And I do think 
that we need to, as you say, modernize and if you have some 
language that you can propose to the Committee, I would 
certainly be interested.
    But the fact that you have all these investor purchases now 
of housing stock, a huge percentage--it could be a huge 
percentage in certain areas like Atlanta, they seem to go to 
certain areas. I think that just increases the chances of these 
kinds of collusive--what I would call collusive parallel 
pricing.
    I think we need to do--I'm asking you for some ideas on how 
we can go forward. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chair Klobuchar. Thank you very much, Senator Hirono, for 
those good questions. And next up we have Senator Blackburn, 
then I have a very brief question, and then I think we're going 
to end things, as there's a conflict with an AI meeting.
    But we are very focused on this issue right now. Senator 
Blackburn.
    Senator Blackburn. Thank you so much. And yes, you're 
right. It's a busy day. There is a lot happening.
    Professor Stucke, welcome. We are delighted that you are 
here from UT, and appreciate that you would make the trip. So 
thank you for that.
    Ms. Calder, let me come to you. You know, in Tennessee, we 
have a lot of people that are moving there and they're wanting 
to leave other areas. We even have some Minnesotans that have 
come to Tennessee to relocate.
    Chair Klobuchar. Especially in the winter.
    Senator Blackburn. That's exactly right. They like our 
weather a whole lot better. But we know that there's a need to 
focus on some commonsense solutions. And some of us have really 
done that.
    What we have found is, over 10 million families spend more 
than half of their income on housing. And, of course, this 
makes it very difficult for the rest of their budget.
    So some of us at Finance Committee have brought forward a 
bill the Affordable Housing Credit Improvement Act, which would 
expand and strengthen the low income housing tax credit, and 
that bill would increase the number of credits available to 
States by 50 percent.
    And it would improve that program so that it's better 
serving veterans, individuals in rural areas like we have in 
Tennessee, and victims of domestic violence.
    So I'd like for you to talk a minute about why it is so 
important to modernize that low income tax credit.
    Ms. Calder. Well, thank you for the question. I appreciate 
it. I certainly have--I have written critically of the low 
income housing tax credit in the past. And so I'm not familiar 
with all the details of this particular bill.
    But I do think that the low income housing tax credit 
certainly needs modernizing, changing. Some of the--some of the 
issues that I see with the low income housing tax credit, in 
general, right now, are that for one thing, it is more 
expensive than various demand side vouchers or demand side 
assistance.
    Most of the benefits, also at the present time, they flow 
to developers, is what research suggests, rather than flowing 
to low-income tenants--which is something that worries me 
because, of course, you know, we have limited resources and we 
need to allocate those resources accordingly to low-income 
tenants wherever possible and extremely low-income tenants 
first and foremost.
    And I've also seen that, because it's a production side 
subsidy, research finds the program contributes to greater 
concentrations of poverty and racial minorities. And that's 
kind of something that's similar among production side housing 
subsidies. So again, not familiar with all the details, but 
certainly like the idea of improving the low income housing tax 
credit.
    Senator Blackburn. Okay. Thanks.
    Ms. Yentel. Senator Blackburn, can I add on to that?
    Senator Blackburn. Yes, you may.
    Ms. Yentel. We support your legislation and appreciate your 
leadership in pushing it forward. The affordable--the low 
income housing tax credit program is an important tool to 
develop affordable housing across the country, and can be 
further improved as your legislation would do.
    And we especially appreciate the provisions in the 
legislation that would allow for developers to ensure that 
these low income housing tax credit properties are more 
affordable to the people who need it the most----
    Senator Blackburn. Got it.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. The lowest income people----
    Senator Blackburn. Let me----
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. People in rural and Tribal 
communities----
    Senator Blackburn. Yes.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. And we appreciate the additional 
transparency around LIHTC data.
    Senator Blackburn. Let me stay with you. We hear a lot 
about Bidenomics and the inflation rate that is out there. And 
the fact that the home price--the average home price, median 
home price is up over 27 percent, mortgage rates have increased 
twofold since 2020, and home ownership is a part of the 
American dream. So many people want to own their own home.
    And this administration seems to have some misguided 
policies that are making that more difficult. So as you all are 
doing your work, Ms. Yentel, do you see Bidenomics, the 
inflation rate, all of that having a negative impact?
    Ms. Yentel. No, I'd say the opposite actually. The low-
income renters certainly are struggling to afford their rent 
now, in some cases, more than ever. And housing affordability 
for the lowest income renters has worsened recently. But it has 
been a long-standing systemic----
    Senator Blackburn. Yes.
    Ms. Yentel [continuing]. Issue in our housing markets.
    Senator Blackburn. Well, my time's running out, but I would 
say Gallup disagrees with you. They found 21 percent of 
Americans believe it's a good time to purchase a home, and that 
number is way down from what it has been. That's the lowest 
that has ever been recorded, and inflation is having a negative 
impact.
    I've got two more questions for Ms. Yentel, but I know time 
has run out and I will yield my time.
    Chair Klobuchar. Okay. And you could put those on the 
record. Is that all right? Okay, thank you.
    One last question. Ms. Yentel, another factor many 
discussed today that disrupts healthy competition in the 
housing market, is the prevalence of private equity-backed 
institutional investors buying up large swaths of single-family 
homes--in some neighborhoods these types of investors own an 
incredibly high percentage of homes.
    I've seen this, like there's been major, major news reports 
on this, well documented. Can you talk about how institutional 
investors came to own a significant share of single-family 
homes in certain markets and how it affects housing 
affordability?
    Ms. Yentel. Well, especially on the second point, I would 
focus on the data that shows that institutional investors tend 
to be among the worst landlords. So there's clear evidence that 
institutional investors are more likely to be serial eviction 
filers, to evict--to file evictions more often, to add 
predatory fees, to use serial evictions and predatory fees as a 
profit-generating scheme.
    So as those institutional investors especially are 
targeting communities that are disproportionately people of 
color or have disproportionately high rates of poverty, then 
we're seeing the harm of these practices fall even greater on 
people with the lowest incomes and the most marginalized 
households.
    Chair Klobuchar. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, thank you very 
much.
    Senator Lee. Can I ask one very brief follow-up?
    Chair Klobuchar. Yes.
    Senator Lee. I just want to give E.J. a chance to respond 
to Senator Blackburn's question about Bidenomics and what 
impact it's had on housing affordability.
    Mr. Antoni. Certainly, Senator. Just very briefly, if you 
look at the performance of wages versus price indexes, such as 
the consumer price index, you find that it--for a record 26 
consecutive months of the Biden administration, the consumer 
price index had larger annual gains than weekly earnings did.
    And so, as a result of that, the typical American family 
has lost thousands of dollars in income, not in terms of the 
size of the paycheck, but what that paycheck can actually buy.
    And then you couple, as you pointed out, this connection 
between spending and inflation and the creation of money, when 
you also include the fact that interest rates have gone up so 
dramatically, that has increased the borrowing costs for 
families by thousands of dollars a year.
    And these effects combined make the typical American family 
about $7,300 poorer today as compared to January of 2021.
    In other words, take what the typical American family was 
earning at the time of the start of this administration and 
compare that to today, and it is as if you took $7,300 off of 
their annual earnings.
    Chair Klobuchar. Anyone want to add anything more here? Are 
we good? Okay. Ms. Yentel.
    Ms. Yentel. Well, just to finish what I was saying with 
Senator Blackburn is that to their credit despite housing 
affordability worsening for the lowest income renters, to their 
credit, the Biden administration and this Congress provided 
historic resources during the pandemic that staved off what 
could have been an eviction tsunami.
    And instead those resources kept eviction filing rates at 
their lowest on record. And those are the kind of investments 
and programs that should be continued and made permanent.
    Chair Klobuchar. Okay. Very good. I want to thank all of 
you. It's been a very informative hearing. There are so many 
issues that are clearly related. When you have housing prices 
go up in part because some of the factors we discussed here 
today, and then people go over and rent, they can't own their 
own home, and then those rents go up. You can kind of see 
what's been going on here.
    And I do think looking at this in a way that doesn't argue 
that the only thing at issue, by any means, is competition 
policy and algorithms, but it is part of it.
    And especially when you look at some of the recent changes 
and you think about, let's look at all the factors going on 
here with consolidation, with algorithms, I think it's actually 
fodder for future work.
    So I want to thank all of you for being here today. I know 
that the record will remain open for the next week for Senators 
to submit any additional questions.
    And with that, I want to thank you, all, for coming and the 
hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:09 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
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