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                   EXAMINING PROPOSALS TO ADDRESS HOUSING
                   AFFORDABILITY, AVAILABILITY, AND OTHER
                             COMMUNITY NEEDS

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                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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                       AND OTHER COMMUNITY NEEDS

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            COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                       SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chair

JACK REED, Rhode Island              TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                J.D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia          KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
LAPHONZA R. BUTLER, California       STEVE DAINES, Montana

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Opening statement of Chair Brown.................................     1
        Prepared statement.......................................    39

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
    Senator Scott................................................     3
        Prepared statement.......................................    40

                               WITNESSES

Matt Josephs, Senior Vice President of Policy, Local Initiatives 
  Support
  Corporation....................................................     6
    Prepared statement...........................................    42
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warner...........................................    83
E.J. Antoni, Research Fellow, Public Finance Economist, The 
  Heritage
  Foundation.....................................................     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    55
Peggy Bailey, Vice President of Housing and Income Security, 
  Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.........................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    68
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warner...........................................    85

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Letter submitted by J. Ronald Terwilliger Center for Housing 
  Policy,........................................................    87
Letter submitted by OSAH.........................................    90
Letter submitted by the NLIHC....................................    92
Letter submitted by ABA..........................................    97
Letter submitted by CCUA.........................................    99
Letter submitted by ICBA.........................................   100
Letter submitted endorsing the ``Homebuyers Privacy Protection 
  Act of 2024''..................................................   101
Letter submitted by ACU..........................................   103
Chart, ``Section 515 Numbers''...................................   105
Documents submitted endorsing the ``Homes for Every Local 
  Protector, Educator, and Responder (HELPER) Act''..............   106


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                   EXAMINING PROPOSALS TO ADDRESS HOUSING
                   AFFORDABILITY, AVAILABILITY, AND OTHER
                             COMMUNITY NEEDS

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                        TUESDAY, MARCH 12, 2024

                                       U.S. Senate,
          Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met at 10:06 a.m., in room SD-538, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Sherrod Brown, Chair of the 
Committee, presiding.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN

    Chair Brown. The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing Urban 
Affairs will come to order. Thank you to the three witnesses. 
One is a returning witness. Thank you for all being here and 
testifying.
    Every part of the country, everywhere we turn, housing is 
too expensive. Families have too few housing options. High 
interest rates are pushing home ownership further out of reach 
for families hoping to buy their first home, move for a job, or 
buy a bigger home as their family grows. They're forced to keep 
renting or to turn down job offers. Homeowners keep their homes 
off the market because they feel trapped by current interest 
rates that keeps the supply low and drives up prices more.
    Meanwhile, all cash buyers, including out-of-State 
investors, fueled by cheap Wall Street cash drive home prices 
higher by buying the few homes that do come on the market. High 
rates make it harder to build more homes and housing options, 
which would bring down prices.
    It's why I've called for the Fed to bring down interest 
rates. Ohioans worrying about housing costs can't wait any 
longer. We see more and more renters and homeowners in my State 
and across the country whose only option is to pay more than 
they can afford for housing. Because rents keep rising faster 
than paychecks. High costs have pushed even more families, 
including parents working full-time jobs into homelessness.
    This isn't just happening in the big cities or on the 
coast. It's happening in every State and cities and suburbs and 
small towns and rural communities. Central Ohio businesses are 
growing.
    I hear constantly from mayors from county executives, from 
business leaders, from workers that they're worried the housing 
supply won't be able to keep up with the growth and cost could 
rise even more. There just isn't enough housing across the 
country from Akron to Bozeman to Charlotte.
    Community leaders are worried that the high cost of housing 
will limit their region's ability to grow and to thrive. 
There's no place in the country and hasn't been for some time 
from even before the pandemic, where a minimum wage worker 
working full-time can afford even a modest two bedroom 
apartment. The home health aides and administrative assistants 
and retail workers whom we all depend on, aren't even paid 
enough to afford a one room apartment.
    We've been struggling to create enough housing for years, 
for decades. Housing construction plummeted after the 2008 
financial crisis. We've never made up for all the missing 
homes.
    So today, by some estimates, we're 4.3 million homes short 
of what we need. And anyone who's taken the most basic economic 
course knows that when supply is that low high prices follow.
    Meanwhile, the homes we do have are getting older and need 
critical repairs that families and seniors and housing 
providers just can't afford. Leaving children exposed to toxic 
lead, leaving seniors with dangerous fall hazards and unstable 
roofs and sky-high utility bills.
    Today we'll hear from Members of this Committee on both 
sides of the aisle about their legislation to bring down 
housing costs, making our existing housing stocks safer, and 
expand housing options for both renters and homeowners.
    I'm pleased that Senator Smith, who is one of the leaders 
in these issues is here at the beginning, because this crisis 
is sitting all types of housing in every community, we need 
more than just one solution to these problems. I look forward 
to hearing from colleagues about their proposals.
    Senator Rounds, Senator Smith have a bill that they've 
built a strong bipartisan consensus around, I believe six in 
each party on this Committee alone to improve rural housing and 
programs and prevent the cost of rural housing from going up 
anymore. There are also proposals to improve HUD's housing 
voucher program, keep housing affordable for manufacturing home 
housing residents and many more.
    I'm also offering proposals to bring down housing costs and 
increase housing options, including addressing some of the 
challenges I hear often from Ohio families. Housing Supply Fund 
would help community development, financial institutions, and 
affordable housing developers build and preserve more housing 
that's affordable for homeowners and renters.
    My Yes in God's Back Yard, YIGBY, another Washington 
acronym, would support churches and other religious 
organizations with unused land who want to put that land to use 
for affordable housing. We should also expand solutions we know 
are already doing good work.
    The Grandfamily Housing Act, which I introduced with 
Senators Casey, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, and Collins, a 
Republican from Maine would build on success supporting 
intergenerational families.
    My Excess Urban Heat Mitigation Act of 2023 would help 
communities eliminate urban heat islands to better protect the 
health of seniors and families. And as eviction, no numbers 
increase. We know what it takes to prevent families from being 
turned upside down by an unnecessary eviction.
    The Eviction Crisis Act introduced last Congress with my 
colleague Senators Bennet from Colorado, Portman from Ohio, and 
Young from Indiana, would build on successful models across the 
country, and the success we saw from providing emergency rental 
assistance at the height of the pandemic to reduce preventable 
evictions.
    As aspiring homeowners struggle more than ever to afford 
their first home, I've also put forward three proposals to 
expand access to affordable home ownership. The VA Home Loan 
Awareness Act I introduced with Senator Braun, will help ensure 
that veterans and servicemembers know about the affordable VA 
home loan option when they go to take out a loan. They've 
earned this benefit, they should know they have it.
    This week I joined Senator Warnock in reintroducing the 
Down Payment Tort Equity Act to provide assistance to first-
time, first-generation home buyers who are too often locked out 
of the housing market by the lack of a downpayment.
    And the HELPER Act, which I introduced was Senators Rubio 
and Ossoff will create a new type of FHA mortgage to make first 
time home ownership more affordable for law enforcement 
personnel and firefighters and teachers, who are serving our 
communities but can't afford to live there.
    This commonsense bill supported by the Internal Order of 
Police and National Association of Police Organizations, the 
major county Sheriffs, the major cities Chief of Police, the 
International Association of Firefighters, the American 
Federation of Teachers, and the National Education Association, 
and 200 other national organizations, mayors, Governors, State 
and local groups across the country. They know firsthand how 
critical it is to support the people who teach our kids and 
keep us safe.
    The proposals we'll hear today about aren't all the 
solutions we need to solve our crisis, but they're a good 
start. Yesterday we also received a budget from the Department 
of Housing and Urban Development that outlines housing needs 
along with proposals that can make our existing programs more 
efficient and more effective.
    I look forward to working with Ranking Member Scott, and 
all the Members of this Committee to expand these proposals and 
define bipartisan consensus around solutions that can help us 
reduce costs and expand options for renters and homeowners. 
Thank you.
    Senator Scott.

             OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR TIM SCOTT

    Senator Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the 
panelists for being here with us this morning. Certainly, a 
very important topic for us to discuss the state of housing.
    Nearly a year ago, this Committee had an identical hearing 
on today's topic of legislative solutions to address the 
increasingly more difficult challenge of achieving the American 
dream through home ownership.
    Although I'm glad the Chairman has returned to this topic 
and agreed to seriously engage on building consensus around 
comprehensive housing legislation like My Road to Housing Act, 
we have unfortunately watched a full year go by.
    And during the last 12 months, Americans have been stripped 
from the opportunity of becoming homeowners in many ways 
because of the challenges brought to us by the current 
Administration. One of the things I'd like to say as I think 
this through a little bit, so many people have good intentions 
on solving the problems surrounding housing.
    But the truth is, when you look back 15, 16 years ago, the 
financial crisis of folks providing more downpayment resources, 
more assistance to become a first time homeowner without any 
financial literacy and financial education as it relates to how 
to own a home and how to take care of the home and being 
prepared for planned obsolescence, things just become obsolete.
    Without that education, you are simply renting the home 
that you think you own. And then during the crisis, what we saw 
was some of the highest levels of foreclosures where those 
folks that were induced, or I don't want to use the word 
seduced, but induced to make a decision to buy a home that they 
could not afford because they thought they could afford the 
mortgage payment and not all the instant nos that come along 
with being a homeowner.
    Let me say this too, when you think about the crisis and 
the challenge of home ownership, those of us in Washington too 
often think that the solutions come from Washington. That is 
simply false. We can make a difference, but we are not the 
primary place where the difference should be made.
    As a former chairman of a county government, I can tell you 
that the vast majority of the issues facing home ownership 
happens on the local and the State level.
    Frankly, when you have communities that refuse to allow for 
an increase of homes to be built in their communities, then 10 
years later you complain about the price of the homes in that 
community, you can just look back and follow the breadcrumbs 
back and see that when you don't use the opportunity to fill in 
donut holes, when you don't use the opportunity to have high 
density areas for homeowners, you will not have more homes on 
the market. That is basic math.
    You think about the States and the roles that they play. 
This is not simply a Federal issue. This is primarily a local 
issue and, and then a State issue. And in a very small part, we 
can play on the Federal level. One of the things that we've 
seen in the past that has been very effective was the creation 
of opportunity zones in 2017 through the TCJA.
    As I think about whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, 
the one thing that's been celebrated across the country by blue 
mayors and red Governors, so to speak, is the advent of 
opportunity zones.
    Think about my good friend who's a Democrat in Rock Hill, 
South Carolina, Mayor John Gettys, who said that for the first 
time in more than three decades, the opportunity to build homes 
because of opportunity zones that lowers a price for 
contractors to build, is there.
    I think about Charleston and Greenville, South Carolina, 
where you're seeing multimillion-dollar new investments, 
building homes and apartments and townhouses, and condos 
because of opportunity zones.
    So there are things that we can do, but typically what 
Government can do best from Washington, is just to get out of 
the way and let the free market actually work. And that's why 
the release of my Road to Housing Act is such an important part 
of that consideration, because what we focus on is financial 
literacy and financial education. We focus on reducing the red 
tape.
    I talk to mortgage companies across the country and one of 
the things that they say left and right, is that the cost of 
closing more than doubled in the last 10 years. Much of it due 
to the regulatory red tape that comes with closing. But there 
are other issues too, and I'll name just a few.
    Number one, families are struggling more than ever to 
afford their monthly rent and mortgage payments in large part 
because of Bidenomics. Bottom line is that when you print and 
spend trillions of dollars, it leads to high inflation.
    High inflation causes the Fed to respond and the Fed's 
response with the one tool they have, which is always a hammer 
because everything's a nail, is increase the interest rates. 
When interest rates go up, home ownership goes down.
    Number two, housing costs did not go up in a vacuum. The 
culprit is this Administration has runaway, unchecked, Federal 
spending, aggressive interest rate hikes and onerous 
regulations. That combination certainly cannot continue.
    Number three, current Federal housing programs are not 
working. We have to improve the status quo so we can provide 
greater economic opportunity and safety across the Nation.
    And finally, last year, HUD reported that homelessness, 
homelessness has risen by more than 70,000 people, highest on 
record. With more resources and more tools, we've seen more 
people homeless in this country.
    It's clear that this Administration's policies are 
certainly to blame. To address these shortcomings it will take 
new solutions like those included in my Road to Housing Act to 
begin paving pathways toward prosperity.
    But I'll point out the obvious. American families simply 
cannot afford to wait for decades. The Federal Government has 
spent trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars on various 
housing subsidies. Despite this, folks who grew up where I grew 
up, folks who are growing up today, where I grew up 50 years 
ago, simply cannot afford a home better today than they did 50 
years ago.
    Since 1973, the basic percentage of African Americans 
owning a home hasn't changed very much. The number is 44 
percent. That has not changed a single point, not a single 
point in the last few years.
    That is why I proposed the Road to Housing Act, a 
commonsense approach to housing that takes a comprehensive view 
of Federal housing policy and recenters support around families 
helping those who are homeless, renting, or ready to buy a 
home.
    This isn't a partisan issue. It isn't partisan to want to 
reduce the red tape for home buyers. It's not partisan to 
encourage innovation and competition in Federal programs to 
better support families living in manufacturered housing, or 
families who rely on HUD's assistance.
    It's not partisan to preserve affordable housing units and 
encourage private capital to play a role. It's certainly not 
partisan to require greater accountability for our current 
Federal housing programs.
    So I look forward to hearing the additional proposals that 
my colleagues will bring up today so that we can somehow find a 
way to stitch together, for every corner of our country, a 
better process to becoming a homeowner.
    I also look forward to working with Chairman Brown to 
ensure that the Committee hears from our housing regulators, 
the American public deserves accountability and transparency to 
understand how their dollars are being spent on housing 
programs.
    I thank you all for being here and I look forward to your 
testimony and asking some questions. Thank you, sir.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Scott. I'll introduce 
today's witnesses.
    Matt Josephs is a Senior Vice President of Policy at LISC, 
the Local Initiatives Support Corporation. He previously worked 
in policy development and implementation at Treasury's CDFI 
Fund as a staff member on this Committee, and is a policy 
analyst in Department of Housing and Urban Development's Office 
of Public and Indian Housing. Welcome Mr. Josephs back to the 
Committee.
    E.J. Antoni is a Research Fellow and Public Finance 
Economist at Heritage and a Senior Fellow at the Committee to 
Unleash Prosperity. Dr. Antoni previously served as an 
economist at the Texas Public Policy Foundation as an economic 
consultant for FreedomWorks. Dr. Antoni, welcome.
    Peggy Bailey is the Vice President of Housing Policy and 
Income Security at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. 
Previously served as a senior advisor on rental assistance at 
HUD. Before her service at HUD, she was director of the Health 
Integration Project, Vice President for Housing Policy at CBPP.
    She's held roles with Corporation for Supportive Housing 
and National Alliance and Homelessness. She has been to this 
Committee before a number of times. Welcome back, Ms. Bailey.
    Mr. Josephs, please begin.

  STATEMENT OF MATT JOSEPHS, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF POLICY, 
             LOCAL INITIATIVES SUPPORT CORPORATION

    Mr. Josephs. Thank you very much, Chair Brown, Ranking 
Member Scott, and Members of the Committee.
    I'm honored to join you this morning to discuss the urgent 
need to expand our Nation's affordable housing supply, and the 
measures this Committee can take to support investments not 
only in housing, but also in small businesses and community 
development projects in low income, rural and urban 
communities.
    My name is Matt Josephs. I'm the Senior Vice President of 
Policy for the Local Initiative Support Corporation. LISC is 
one of the Nation's largest nonprofit housing and community 
development organizations. We're also a certified CDFI and I 
thank Senators Warner and Crapo for founding the Senate's 
Community Development Finance Caucus, which now includes 24 
senators, including 10 from this Committee.
    LISC has local offices in 38 urban markets, stretching from 
Greenville, South Carolina to Toledo to Phoenix, and to 
Seattle. And we also have a rural program where we partner with 
130 organizations working on the ground in rural communities in 
49 States, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.
    If there's one unifying truth across all of these markets, 
whether urban or rural, small, or large, is that there's a 
chronic shortage of housing. It is estimated that our Nation 
has under produced on 3.8 million units of housing. And that's 
the low end of the estimates. The peak of a decades long trend 
of underproduction. The lack of housing supply is hampering the 
ability of families of modest means to achieve financial 
stability.
    One in four renters pay more than 50 percent of their 
income in rent, leaving little money available each month for 
groceries, medicine, childcare and other necessities. In 
addition, recent increases in home prices and interest rates 
combined with the limited housing supply are keeping home 
ownership out of reach for far too many families.
    The lack of housing supply, both rental and home ownership 
is also constraining economic development, particularly in our 
rural communities where employers looking to open new plants 
and facilities have nowhere to house their workforce.
    Simply put, we need to build more homes. The most important 
tool we have to build affordable rental housing is the low-
income housing tax credit. The housing credit has produced 
close to 4 million homes since it was created in 1986.
    We call on Congress to enact the Affordable Housing Credit 
Improvement Act, which would create over 1.2 million additional 
units of affordable rental housing over the next decade, and 
would also make it easier to finance properties in rural 
communities, native communities, and those properties serving 
extremely low-income populations.
    We also call on Congress to enact the Neighborhood Homes 
Investment Act, which would spur the development and 
rehabilitation of close to 500,000 homes for home ownership in 
distressed urban and rural communities.
    Enacting both of these bills would spur the production of 
close to 2 million housing units over the next decade, cutting 
into a sizable portion of the 3.8 million home supply gap.
    We also call on Congress to pass the Rural Housing Reform 
Act, which has the bipartisan support of the majority of the 
Members of this Committee. This legislation would help create 
thousands more units of affordable rental housing in rural and 
native communities, while also enhancing home ownership 
opportunity in those communities.
    Last, we need to continue supporting other critical housing 
production programs like HOME and the Capital Magnet Fund, as 
well as rental subsidies provided through HUD's Section 8 
program to help fill gaps in financing costs and to ensure that 
we can target housing to those most in need.
    But housing is just one of many important components of a 
vibrant and healthy community. LISC also invests in small 
businesses and retail establishments on commercial corridors 
and rural main streets and in community facilities supporting 
childcare, education, workforce, and community health.
    That's why it's important that Congress also protect and 
enhance critical community and economic development programs, 
including the new markets tax credit and community development 
block grants, which have become an essential tool for disaster 
recovery efforts.
    We also call on Congress not only to support continued 
appropriations for the Treasury Department's CDFI fund, but 
also to enact legislation to support new tools for CDFIs, 
including fixes to the bond guarantee program, a tax credit to 
support investments in CDFIs, and enhancement to the CDFI 
fund's authorizing legislation to facilitate the establishment 
of a secondary market for CDFI loans and investments.
    These represent just a few of the legislative proposals we 
highlight in our longer testimony. There are many promising 
bills and proposals that have been developed by Members of this 
Committee on both sides of the aisle, and we applaud you for 
recognizing the urgency of the housing crisis and for putting 
together thoughtful and meaningful responses.
    We urge the Committee to consider these proposals so that 
they may be advanced to the full Senate for action. Our 
families and communities need support. We have the tools to 
support them. We just need Congress to act and to act quickly.
    Thank you very much and I look forward to answering 
questions you may have.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Mr. Josephs.
    Dr. Antoni, welcome.

   STATEMENT OF E.J. ANTONI, RESEARCH FELLOW, PUBLIC FINANCE 
               ECONOMIST, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION

    Mr. Antoni. Chair Brown, Members of the Committee, thank 
you for the invitation to discuss with you today the current 
conditions in the U.S. housing market, including those impacted 
by public policy, and especially the challenges encountered by 
many Americans today seeking affordable and safe shelter 
options.
    I'm a public finance economist at the Heritage Foundation 
where I research fiscal and monetary policy with a particular 
focus on the Federal Reserve, and I'm also a senior fellow at 
the Committee to Unleash Prosperity.
    Since January of 2021, prices have risen across the 
American economy a cumulative 19 percent, reaching monthly and 
annual rates not seen in four decades. Housing prices in 
particular have risen very quickly, even amidst generally fast 
rising prices for all goods and services.
    By any widely used metric, housing in the U.S. is 
considered unaffordable today for most American families with 
shelter prices having increased much faster than incomes.
    The significant decrease in home ownership affordability as 
well as the increase in rent prices over the last 3 years were 
caused by several public policy choices, including elevated 
levels of Federal expenditures and the imposition of 
regulation.
    Large Federal deficits financed by the Federal Reserve's 
purchase of treasuries created inflation, systemic interest 
rate risk, as well as severe supply constraints in both new and 
existing homes. Unfortunately, many official metrics upon which 
we rely to measure shelter costs, have greatly underestimated 
things like the true cost of home ownership by a factor of four 
to one.
    That's something to keep in mind when reviewing for 
example, this morning's very hot inflation print that showed 
shelter costs have risen 20 percent since January of 2021.
    Consequently, the typical American family's financial 
situation is even worse than a first glance at the data would 
indicate. The cost to own a median price home has increased 
between 80 and 100 percent over the last 3 years, depending on 
the source data and what factors you include in the calculation 
like property taxes.
    Consequently, home ownership affordability is near record 
lows today in many major metropolitan areas of the country, it 
takes more than 100 percent of the median household after tax 
income to afford the median price home. In other words, it's 
impossible.
    Affordability has become a widespread problem in Western 
communities in particular because of the high proportion of 
restricted land in that area of the country. In fact, no major 
metropolitan area west of Des Moines, Iowa, is considered 
affordable.
    Regulation has also imposed significant costs on the 
housing market, and these costs are often excluded from 
analyses of the problems plaguing home affordability. This is 
especially true for efficiency standards and other well-meaning 
measures which aim to reduce costs for Americans, but actually 
end up increasing them instead.
    Likewise, interventions that primarily increase demand for 
housing without lifting, the restrictions on supply typically 
just result in higher prices. Misallocations of capital 
stemming from ineffective lending regulations also increase 
costs in the market, both for borrowers and buyers in general, 
through higher home prices and higher interest rates.
    There are several actions Congress can take to alleviate 
the cost of living crisis, especially regarding housing. First 
and foremost is to reduce spending, which will reduce crowding 
out and increase private market activity. It will also reduce 
borrowing, taking pressure off of the loanable funds market and 
reducing borrowing costs.
    Second, Congress would be well advised to reign in the 
Federal Reserve and prevent the violent fluctuations of money 
creation and interest rates seen over the last several years. 
Regulatory reform would also greatly impact housing 
affordability, providing additional flexibility with things 
like dwellings, which dwellings that qualify for subsidies is 
just one example.
    Rolling back ineffective mandates, especially surrounding 
energy, would also lower costs. Additionally, steps could be 
taken to increase financial literacy among borrowers and 
renters.
    Congress should also reevaluate existing subsidies, which 
primarily increase demand and benefit landlords, lenders, and 
other existing owners of capital.
    Similarly, Congress would do well to examine the track 
record of those regulations and other bureaucratic red tape, 
which have curtailed the supply of homes, both single and 
multifamily, and therefore driven up costs, which low-income 
earners are the least likely to be able to afford. Banking 
regulations deserve particular scrutiny in this regard.
    Thank you kindly for your time and I look forward to 
answering your questions.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Dr. Antoni.
    Ms. Bailey, welcome back. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF PEGGY BAILEY, VICE PRESIDENT OF HOUSING AND INCOME 
        SECURITY, CENTER ON BUDGET AND POLICY PRIORITIES

    Ms. Bailey. Thank you, Chair Brown, Ranking Member Scott, 
and the Members of this Committee. I really appreciate the 
opportunity to testify before you this morning. I appreciate 
this hearing and your recognition that we need bipartisan 
solutions to do better. We can do better by making it easier to 
get rental assistance. We can do better by making that 
assistance easier to use, and we can do better by advancing 
innovative programs that test ways to give people agency and 
autonomy.
    The data paints a clear and sobering picture. Over 22 
million renters in 2022 were paying more than 30 percent of 
their income on housing costs. Twelve million of those renters 
were paying 50 percent or more of their income on rent. Over 
650,000 people were homeless on a given night in January, 2023, 
an all-time high.
    As shown by this chart, rent costs outpacing income gains 
is a longstanding and has contributed to the affordability 
crisis for decades. Despite these alarming facts, Federal 
rental assistance remains woefully inadequate. Only one in four 
eligible households receives assistance.
    People with low incomes are disproportionately people of 
color, and they are hit the hardest. 53 percent of people 
without assistance who need it are people of color, 47 percent 
are White. And of people experiencing homelessness, 37 percent 
are Black, 27 percent are Latinx, and 2 percent are Native 
American, all overrepresented compared to the general public.
    Many of these bills introduced by Members of this Committee 
can help people struggling to afford rent. And the Center on 
Budget and Policy Priorities recommends additional steps we 
should take to holistically address the housing crisis.
    The provisions in the Fair Housing Improvement Act 
introduced by Senator Kaine would prohibit voucher 
discrimination by rental owners. The Choice in Affordable 
Housing Act introduced by Senators Coons and Cramer would add 
some flexibility to the inspection process and create a fund to 
pay for things like security deposits to help renters access 
housing faster.
    While we have strong concerns about expanding The Moving to 
Work program, Senator Scott's Road to Housing Act rightfully 
prioritizes redeveloping public housing to address the 
unacceptable conditions too many people are living in. We 
recommend adding stronger tenant protections and an increase in 
Rental Assistance Demonstration subsidies.
    We also would like the Committee to consider the following. 
We must improve the over 2,000 housing agencies' abilities to 
work collaboratively across jurisdictions. We must allow for 
alternative screening and more efficient intake rules, similar 
to those allowed in the Emergency Housing Voucher program.
    We must redesign housing agency service and administrative 
fees, structures, and formulas, also similar to the Emergency 
Housing Voucher program. Congress must allow voucher subsidies 
to be used for security deposits, and we must give families 
more time to use their assistance. 60 days is not enough to 
prepare for a move and find housing.
    Your proposals also have the ability to spur innovation by 
the Administration and your colleagues, especially 
appropriators. Senators Van Hollen and Young have done this 
with their Family Stability and Opportunity Vouchers Act. While 
more can be done, appropriators and HUD have found ways to make 
progress on their proposals, which has made a huge difference 
in the field.
    With that in mind, please consider supporting two other 
innovative ideas.
    Policymakers should test providing rental assistance 
directly to tenants, and Congress should authorize a 
demonstration program that allows families to deposit a portion 
of their rent increase from added earnings into an escrow 
account to help build savings.
    It will take big Federal Government investments and 
structural changes to get to the world we want to see where 
everyone who needs help gets it. Relying solely on market 
forces hasn't and will never work. Multifamily development has 
been mostly on the rise in recent years, as the market is 
responding to the deficit in rental housing.
    But much of that new supply in development can only be 
afforded by people with high incomes. That's how landlords and 
property owners make profit. Serving people with lower incomes 
who can't afford to pay enough rent to cover maintenance and 
basic operating costs means less profit or a loss.
    So the market is responding exactly as we would expect. 
Therefore, Government action is needed to help those where the 
profit potential of the market is limited or nonexistent. As a 
Nation, we have spent too long blaming and punishing people for 
being poor, for not having a home, for being evicted, and for 
struggling to pay their bills.
    Part of this punishment has been programs designed to be 
too hard to navigate, hard to administer and absent of self-
determination for the recipient. Many of the bills on the table 
today would correct these problems and do a lot of good for 
folks who need the help.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look 
forward to answering your questions.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Ms. Bailey. I'll begin the 
questions. Senator Tester from Montana.
    Senator Tester. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank 
you and the Ranking Member for having us here. And I want to 
thank all three of you for testifying today. I appreciate it.
    I believe in supply and demand. In fact, I'm a farmer, and 
whenever there's a drought somewhere in the world, it's good 
news for me, because that reduces supply while the demand stays 
the same. Mr. Josephs, you said that there were 3.8 million 
houses too short, and until that comes up, until we, until we 
fix that supply problem, we're going to see housing prices 
continue to elevate faster than a lot of other things.
    So my question to you is--and I know there's a lot of folks 
out there that are in the private sector that want to do good 
work and they have money to do good work--what can the Federal 
Government do to release those folks who want to invest in 
housing to urge them to build more? What is the single most 
important one? And if you want to go to some other ones, you 
can too.
    Mr. Josephs. Thank you for those comments.
    Senator Tester. Need your mic on, please.
    Mr. Josephs. Yes. Thank you. It's just like being on the 
calls, right. Got to unmute.
    Thank you for the questions. And the Chairman actually, I 
think in his introductory remarks highlighted even higher 
figure of underproduction. 3.8 million is really the low end of 
some of the estimates that we've seen.
    And how can Government help with this underproduction? You 
know, we highlight, I think the biggest single tool for rental 
housing is the low-income housing tax credit. And there has 
been legislation introduced by Senator Cantwell and Senator 
Young, the Affordable Housing Credit Improvement Act, which 
several of you are already cosponsors of, so we appreciate 
that. That bill alone could create 1.2 million more units of 
affordable housing, including many in rural communities.
    And most notably, there's been a backlog, and a lot of the 
housing finance agencies they have a lot of shovel ready 
projects ready to go. And so an additional infusion of credits 
could immediately hit the ground running with those.
    And on the home ownership side, we are also calling for the 
enactment of the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act that would 
create about 500,000 homes in distressed urban and rural 
communities. And the problem we're trying to attack there is 
that there is a value gap. The cost of developing or rehabbing 
these homes is more than you can sell the home for.
    And this is a particular problem in you know, kind of rust 
belt and legacy cities, but also in rural communities where 
you've had a lot of increase in construction costs. So with the 
credit there, that's what, to your point Senator can really 
attract new investors because they know they'll be made whole 
when they make those investments.
    Senator Tester. OK. And I appreciate that. You also talked 
about a bill that would incentivize housing built in rural and 
native communities called the Rural Housing Reform Act.
    What makes that bill different than the other two you just 
mentioned so that rural communities could take advantage of it?
    Mr. Josephs. So this is more about the preservation of 
existing housing. So you have the 515 program at USDA, which 
has mortgages on multifamily properties and you can get some 
rental assistance through the 521 program for those properties. 
But when the mortgage matures, you can no longer get 521 rental 
assistance.
    So what you see is the risk of these properties falling out 
of affordability. So that's what this legislation, that's one 
of the primary things it would do, would decouple it. So you 
could use the rental assistance on these properties or other 
properties.
    Senator Tester. There's been statements made earlier about 
the Federal Government can't fix this, and I agree. The Federal 
Government can help, and so can State government, and local 
government and the private sector, absolutely.
    You've looked around, I'm sure. Are there things that some 
communities are doing that is unique that's working?
    Mr. Josephs. At the local level, I mean inclusionary 
housing has always been a very strong tool to encourage 
developers as they're doing market rate housing to also include 
units for affordability. ADUs--now this is probably more for 
urban communities--but smaller dwellings are good.
    I think and just making sure zoning allows for affordable 
housing and density around transit communities, that kind of 
stuff is, I think, very effective.
    Senator Tester. OK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Look, there's 
not a place I go in Montana, whether it's a very small town or, 
or the bigger ones. And our bigger ones are about 100,000, so 
the small ones are much, much smaller than that, that there 
aren't housing challenges.
    And some of it is no housing available and others--and 
you've already addressed both of these--the others, the 
housing's there, but it's dilapidated. And so we appreciate the 
testimony.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Tester.
    Mr. Josephs, your comments have been helpful in this 
Committee, but in this Committee we don't use the term rust 
belt. I thought I'd just let you know that.
    Mr. Josephs. Oh, thank you, sir.
    Chair Brown. Senator Rounds.
    [Laughter.]
    Chair Brown. That really wasn't meant to be funny, but 
nonetheless.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And first I'd like 
to thank the Chairman and Ranking Member for holding this 
meeting today. I'd also like to thank you for being with us 
today and for sharing your thoughts and your expertise.
    We can all agree on the need for more affordable housing 
and bringing the opportunity for our families to have a safe 
and affordable place to live, whether it's an apartment or a 
single-family home. Housing stability impacts so many of our 
lives, our health, how our children learn at school, our 
ability to build wealth and the social benefits of belonging to 
a community.
    As we discuss affordable housing, we need to remember, this 
includes all income levels, ages, and locations, including 
rural communities and Tribal lands. One piece of legislation 
that would help increase the access to affordable housing is 
the Rural Housing Service Reform Act that I introduced with 
Senator Smith.
    Senator Smith and I have worked together over the last 2 
years to create this bipartisan commonsense legislation that 
would provide the first meaningful update to the rural housing 
service in years.
    I want to thank my colleagues on the Committee, Senators 
Lummis, Tester, Crapo, Fetterman, Daines, Van Hollen, Cortez 
Masto, Britt, Warner, and Tillis for their support of this 
legislation. With over half the Members of the Committee, 
evenly split Republican and Democrat, this legislation is truly 
bipartisan in nature.
    The Rural Housing Service Reform Act would take large 
strides toward making RHS more accessible to folks across the 
entire country. The legislation would preserve workforce 
housing by fixing a longstanding problem for USDA section 515 
properties that now have maturing mortgages.
    It would expand both access and affordability of housing on 
Tribal land by codifying a pilot program that leverages native 
community development financial institutions or CDFIs. And 
finally, it would make much needed investments in technology 
upgrades so that USDA can process loans quickly and 
efficiently.
    My first question is for Mr. Josephs. Could you speak to 
how provisions in the Rural Housing Reform Act would increase 
access to affordable housing across the country?
    Mr. Josephs. Yes. Thank you for that question.
    So what we're talking about is the Section 515 portfolio of 
housing at USDA that we're losing, and in 5 years between 2016 
and 2021, we've lost 921 section 515 properties, and some of 
them, because the owners were opting out of their mortgages 
early, and that was three times more than the USDA had 
projected.
    So we're losing them in a faster clip than we'd even 
anticipated. So that's the criticality of this program is if 
they are being lost, at least let's get rental subsidies 
continuing there so they can keep being affordable to low 
income families.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you. And then, Mr. Joseph, one more 
follow up. We've seen success in South Dakota with the USDA's 
native CDFI relending demonstration program. It was a pilot 
program that allows native CDFIs to leverage their really deep 
ties in local communities and deploy loans to eligible native 
borrowers.
    Could you speak to the success of the program and how 
expanding it could help increase housing affordability on 
Tribal land elsewhere as well?
    Mr. Josephs. Yeah, we think a relending model is a great 
way to go. CDFIs have their roots in those communities, they 
know the borrowers. It's easier for them to make those inroads 
than the agency staff. So it is just a great tool. They also 
use it for their community facilities programs. Utilizing the 
CDFI network is a really smart way to go.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you. And look, it works. It's one 
thing these folks understand Tribal trust land and how to work 
through the issues of title. It actually makes it work. Dr. 
Antoni.
    Mr. Antoni. Antoni.
    Senator Rounds. Antoni, thank you.
    Rising regulatory costs are a limiting factor on housing 
supply, particularly for the entry level market in need of 
inventory. According to a study done by the National 
Association of Home Builders, on a dollar basis, applied to the 
average price of new homes of $394,000 a year, regulation 
accounts for $93,870 on the final house price.
    Instead of creating new barriers to entry, we need to focus 
on incentivizing local governments and the private sector to 
work together to increase available housing stock in ways that 
best suit the communities that they serve. Unfortunately, the 
Department of Labor finalized a rule in August of 2023 that 
only increased red tape.
    Dr. Antoni, how has DOL'S final rule impacted the cost of 
multifamily housing construction?
    Mr. Antoni. Well, thank you, Senator for the question. 
Unfortunately, instead of focusing on measures which will 
remove red tape and therefore reduce costs, they have 
essentially created a system where they are, I mean, 
essentially they are going to increase costs on home builders, 
and we have to remember that those costs are simply passed on 
to the home buyer, or in this case the renter.
    And so in instead of decreasing costs by allegedly making 
things more efficient, whatever the case may be for those 
renters, the reality is that the average renter is just never 
going to actually recoup the initial costs that are being put 
upon them in the form of higher rents.
    A recent study, for example, showed that these regulatory 
costs are actually three times higher than what DOL has 
estimated them to be. And so when you're talking about a 
regulation that really only has a marginal benefit and now you 
explode the cost by three times the original estimate, there is 
absolutely no benefit at all.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thanks so much. Senator Smith of Minnesota is 
recognized.
    Senator Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you very 
much for doing this hearing.
    And I want to just start out by saying a few more things 
about our bipartisan Rural Housing Bill. I want to thank my 
colleague and partner Senator Rounds for highlighting the bill 
and for talking about what is in this bill which would help to 
preserve affordable rental and home ownership housing in rural 
communities by reforming the Rural Housing Service at USDA.
    You know, the Ranking Member said in his opening comments 
that some current Federal housing programs aren't working. And 
I think we resonate with that because the purpose of our bill 
is to look at a Federal program, the Rural Housing Service, 
which has been so important and say, yes, it needs to be fixed. 
We want to make it work better, we want to reduce red tape.
    And that's what our bill does. And I think that's why it 
has gotten such strong bipartisan support, as Senator Rounds 
described, 12 Members of this Committee evenly balanced between 
Republicans and Democrats.
    I also just want to point out that this bill is the result 
of numerous bipartisan hearings and also input from folks at 
the local level. We've heard so much from folks not only in our 
two States, but people around the country who have told us what 
we need to do to make rural housing service programs work 
better.
    I also want to point out that this is not something that's 
just going to help a few people in a few areas. It has really 
significant impacts. We're talking about programs that help 
nearly 130,000 mortgages be more affordable for low income 
Americans. We're talking about seniors, people living with 
disabilities, and folks in very low wage jobs in rural 
communities.
    So that's over 400,000 Americans who count on the rural 
housing service programs for a safe, decent, affordable place 
to live. I'm sorry, Ranking Member Scott had to step out 
because I would like to point out to him that in South Carolina 
we're talking about homes for over 11,000 tenants with an 
average income in South Carolina of only about $14,000, and I 
could do the same for States all over the country that are 
represented here on this Committee.
    Mr. Chair, I'd like to submit for the record a chart that 
lays out the numbers on how many Rural Housing Service 
affordable units would be preserved by our bill, if that is----
    Chair Brown. No objection. So ordered.
    Senator Smith. Mr. Josephs, I know you responded to my 
colleague Senator Rounds about why it is important that we move 
this bill forward and that we pass it into law. And I just want 
to thank you for your comments.
    Is there anything else that you'd like to add that you 
think we should be keeping in mind on this Committee as we 
think about the importance of protecting and expanding 
affordable housing in rural communities?
    Mr. Josephs. Well, just a reminder to folks at how acute 
the problem is in rural communities could be helpful. A full 44 
percent of rural renters are cost burdened, and nearly half of 
them are paying more than 50 percent of their monthly income 
toward housing. Home prices are rising in rural communities as 
fast, if not faster, than urban communities as well. So there's 
an acute need.
    Senator Smith. I appreciate that. I think a lot of times we 
rightly focus on the challenges of affordability in urban 
communities, and we forget that folks in rural areas are 
suffering an extreme shortage of the housing, as you said, as 
housing becomes more dilapidated, it gets run down. And then 
that's part of what we're trying to achieve with our 
legislation, which is to make it feasible for these homes that 
are existing as affordable to stay there.
    Ms. Bailey, I'd like to talk with you about something 
several of us on this Committee have been working a lot, 
thinking a lot about what we need to do to improve Federal 
homelessness programs. And one thing that we note is that 
during the height of the pandemic, a lot of levels of 
government cut red tape to speed up the delivery of service for 
people experiencing homelessness.
    And because we knew that this crisis was--we had to respond 
to it with urgency. Could you talk briefly about what lessons 
we've learned about those flexibilities and what that might 
tell us about how we want to continue some of those 
flexibilities going forward?
    Ms. Bailey. Absolutely. Thank you, Senator, for that 
question. I think this is essential for the Committee to 
consider. We learned so much from the programs in housing that 
were delivered during the pandemic. Most importantly, the 
flexibility for local providers to be able to administer the 
programs as they see fit, to be able to meet the needs locally.
    We also learned that there's a lot of paternalism laid over 
the programs that inhibits--when we complain about access, how 
slow it can be for people to find housing, a lot of that is 
things that we can fix. We can take--we can make sure that 
people can get housing quickly. We can make sure that landlords 
get paid faster and that that assistance stays with people for 
as long as possible.
    The other piece that I want to mention though, too, is that 
housing authorities need to get paid for the services that 
they're delivering.
    Senator Smith. Right.
    Ms Bailey. They can become more proactive in delivering 
services if we pay them well. And that's one of the other 
things that we did during the pandemic.
    Senator Smith. Well, thank you for those comments. Mr. 
Chair, I once worked at the local level, and I tend to trust 
folks at the local level to know best how to deliver these 
programs. And I think that's, as you're saying, one of the 
lessons that we learned.
    Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thanks, Senator Smith. Senator Lummis of 
Wyoming is recognized.
    Senator Lummis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman so much. And I want 
to talk about what I see as some of the really good work that 
we've done in this Committee and highlight some of the 
legislation we might want to move forward. So thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    To catch up and meet the needs of Wyoming, we've got to 
build between 20,000 and 38,000 housing units this decade. We 
have the smallest population in the Nation. So that gives you a 
sense of how significant our needs are. And in some ways, they 
pale in comparison to some of my colleagues here on the dais.
    It's a daunting task, and the cowboy State is up to it, I'm 
sure your States are too, but we can improve the tools that we 
help make available to them. Senator Tina Smith likes to say 
that without housing nothing else in your life works. And 
you're right about that.
    I'd like to add that without housing, nothing in your 
community works either. Not your neighborhoods, not your 
workforce, not your business, and not your economic growth. So 
I've been really pleased to work with you Senator Smith and my 
other colleagues on this Committee on some of the challenges 
that we have with regard to housing. Solving the housing 
shortfall is going to take committed bipartisan work, and it's 
a great bipartisan subject.
    So first we need to streamline the bureaucracy and take a 
thorough look at what's been working and what hasn't. The 
Federal Government threw a lot of money at housing needs and 
homelessness during COVID. The impact has been higher housing 
costs and more families competing for a shrinking supply of 
affordable homes.
    So spending money has not fixed our problem. And further, 
when those houses at their inflated value are reappraised for 
tax purposes, everybody's property taxes go up. So it's sort of 
a vicious cycle.
    I want to voice my support for Ranking Member Scott's Road 
to Housing Act that offers commonsense reforms to existing 
housing programs. I also appreciate the very thoughtful reforms 
that Senator Rounds and Senator Smith have proposed in the 
Rural Housing Service Reform Act.
    I think together these pieces of legislation update 
programs that are in desperate need of re reworking. I hope 
this Committee moves forward on marking up these two important 
pieces of legislation. Thank you, Senator Scott, Senator Smith, 
Senator Rounds.
    Second, we need to expand the housing supply by eliminating 
barriers to construction and preserve the housing units we do 
have. Regulation blocks the construction of new housing by 
making it more expensive than it needs to be. Regulation adds 
$94,000 to the cost of a new home and accounts for a whopping 
40 percent of apartment development costs.
    Now, I know a lot of these are assessed at the local level 
and not at the Federal level, but we contribute to those 
additional costs as well. We need to find room for housing 
innovations such as modular housing, which delivers a high 
quality product at a lower cost to buyers everywhere, 
especially in States like mine.
    We also need to preserve the housing that we do have. Rural 
housing tends to be older and in need of repair, but small loan 
sizes and an appraisal gap means it's very challenging for 
rural homeowners to finance the repairs they need. That's why 
I'm working with Senator Fetterman on the Whole Homes Repair 
Act to pilot an approach that would shift existing funds to a 
centralized source of grants for low income families, and it's 
kind of fun to get to work with Senator Fetterman for the first 
time.
    Finally, interest rates. Irresponsible Government spending 
spurred inflation, and home buyers and developers are paying 
for it in the form of higher interest rates. We think of the 
impact on mortgages, but high interest rates affect every step 
of the development process from installing sewer, curb, gutter, 
water, streets and other infrastructure, land acquisition 
costs, construction loans, you name it.
    The Federal Home Loan Bank system provides crucial 
liquidity to our financial system. They're also a source of 
creative ways to support housing and homeowners. And I'd like 
to work with a system to understand how we can grow the 
system's impact on the housing shortfall. After all, the middle 
of their name is Home Loan Bank system.
    Since 2010, housing development has lagged household 
formation by 5 million units. That's 5 million additional 
families that are competing for limited aging housing. It's 
taken decades to get here. We're not going to solve this in a 
single hearing, but we can make progress and we are making 
progress. I think we've identified some really good ways to 
help move this issue forward.
    So I look forward to working with my colleagues on the 
Committee to move forward with legislation on these issues. I 
think it's a real bright spot in the portfolio bipartisan work 
that's happening in Congress.
    And thank you for letting me highlight it. Mr. Chairman, 
Mr. Ranking Member, I yield back. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. As I agree. Thank you for that. Senator Reed 
of Rhode Island.
    Senator Reed. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I 
too want to make some comments before I ask the panel 
questions.
    There's no question, we have an affordable housing crisis 
throughout the United States, and I hope when we come to 
reauthorize our infrastructure law, the Committee will look 
seriously at many of these proposals that Senator Lummis and 
others have indicated.
    One measure I proposed is S. 3673, the Affordable Housing 
and Home Ownership Protection Act. This measure is fully offset 
and we provide $50 billion for affordable housing, 
construction, and preservation.
    And Senator Lummis and I introduced S. 3905, the Property 
Improvement and Manufactured Housing Loan Modernization Act, 
which would raise FHA Title 1 loan limits for manufactured 
homes and property improvement loans, and make accessible 
dwelling units eligible for Title 1 financing.
    Senator Britt and I also introduced S. 3904, the Helping 
More Families Save Act, which would create a pilot program for 
family self-sufficiency programs, universal escrow accounts. 
And the bill would help thousands of families currently living 
in federally assisted housing to put a portion of their 
earnings into an escrow account that they can tap later for 
education, a vehicle, or a downpayment on a home.
    And to make the experience of home buying less confusing 
and less of a hassle, Senator Hagerty and I have introduced S. 
3502, the Homebuyers Privacy Protection Act, and this 
legislation will restrict the credit bureaus from selling 
information to lenders when a potential buyer applies for a 
mortgage.
    These, so-called trigger leads, subject borrowers to 
endless spam calls and come-ons that can lead borrowers into 
making costs of mistakes.
    And Mr. Chairman, I would ask unanimous consent to enter 
into the record a joint letter of support for this legislation 
from the Mortgage Bankers Association, Center for Responsible 
Lending, and 21 other organizations.
    Chair Brown. So ordered.
    Senator Reed. Thank you.
    And finally, Senator Collins and I have long introduced S. 
735, a bill to strengthen the United States Interagency Council 
on Homelessness. The Council is the only Federal agency with 
the sole mission of preventing and ending homelessness, and our 
bill will eliminate its termination date so it can continue to 
coordinate and streamline assistance across the Federal 
Government.
    Thank you for allowing me Mr. Chairman to talk about the 
legislation.
    Mr. Josephs, could you tell us how do Title 1 and 
manufacture homes support housing availability?
    Mr. Josephs. Yes. Thank you, Senator. And also thank you 
for your tremendous support over the years on the appropriation 
side, supporting our critical housing programs like the Capital 
Magnet Fund and others as well. So thank you for that.
    I don't claim to be an expert in the Title 1 programs, but 
my understanding of the legislation is by raising the loan 
limits, you're keeping up with the costs of the production now 
of the homes and the cost of sales.
    So it kind of provides a viable funding source for those 
low-to-moderate income borrowers to finance and purchase the 
manufactured home; and includes ADUs I understand, which are an 
important way to solve this housing crisis and other 
improvements for energy efficiency of aging stock. So I think 
all those are really helpful tools.
    Senator Reed. Thank you, sir.
    Ms. Bailey, the FSS program I think is extremely important 
for families that we use it extensively in Rhode Island, but we 
could make it better and more effective.
    Could you give us some insights to how it helps families?
    Ms. Bailey. Absolutely, Senator. And we're really excited 
that you're introducing this legislation. It helps families be 
able to save some money to be able to pay for things, like you 
said, education, and their car breaks down so that they can't 
get to work, and eventually in home ownership and even becoming 
entrepreneurs and starting their own small businesses.
    We've seen the FSS program really do great things for 
families who are receiving assistance. And the one thing it 
really tests is how we can use financial coaching and financial 
assistance for families to help bridge the cliff that families 
can face when assistance is ending. Now they'll have some 
resources to be able to succeed and grow.
    Senator Reed. Yeah, in Rhode Island, it's been a tremendous 
program. There's really a disincentive to move up because as 
you know, as your wages or family income increases, your 
support goes down. So you're in this terrible dilemma. Here, 
you have resources put aside, so you're not afraid of taking 
the promotion because you'll lose money.
    And I think that's great. And many of the folks we've 
talked to have been able to put a downpayment together so they 
can move from subsidized housing into their own home. And that 
is probably the way--that's definitely the way to go.
    So again, thank you all for your testimony and thank you, 
Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Senator Scott of South Carolina is recognized.
    Senator Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Far too long, the Federal Government's approach to housing 
affordability has been one-size-fits-all, focused on subsidies 
that actually increase demand for housing, despite billions of 
dollars being spent through the American Rescue Plan, and the 
so-called Inflation--makes me laugh every time I say that--
Reduction Act, the cost of housing, like the cost of living, 
has only increased.
    It's time for a new approach. One that actually deals with 
the underlying challenges faced by individuals and our housing 
market more broadly. My legislation, the Road to Housing Act, 
makes targeted reforms to start addressing these issues.
    Mr. Antoni, could you speak to some of the benefits of 
targeted reforms like the Road to Housing Act, as well as talk 
about how that could increase supply, encourage competition, 
and frankly reduce the regulatory burdens that we see today?
    Mr. Antoni. I'd be happy to, Senator. Thank you for the 
opportunity.
    One of the things that we often focus on when we're talking 
about trying to solve the housing affordability crisis is to 
increase demand, except that, that ends up making the problem 
worse.
    If we just have an exercise for a moment here. Imagine we 
gave every renter in the country an extra $100 that they could 
only use toward their rent, what would happen? Well, landlords 
would simply just all raise the rent by $100 a month.
    And so that's essentially what we typically see in a lot of 
these Federal programs that aim to make life easier. They're 
very well-intentioned programs, they aim to make life better 
and make housing more affordable for renters. But instead, they 
end up doing exactly the opposite--end up increasing costs, not 
decreasing them.
    And so things that focus more so on improving supply as 
opposed to just simply increasing demand have a much better 
track record. Likewise, if you can give more flexibility in 
terms of options that regulators have at their disposal, so 
that Federal money can be targeted in different ways, in other 
words, allocated more efficiently, that also seems to have very 
good results.
    So doing things like expanding the definition of the kinds 
of dwellings that would qualify for certain types of subsidies, 
is a very good move in the right direction. Likewise, anything 
you can do to broadly speaking, increase the financial literacy 
of those who are poorly off today has an incredible improvement 
on their quality of life.
    And the reason for that is because the same characteristics 
that have typically gotten them into the financial situation, 
which they are today, are also going to impede them from 
advancing further, and also impede them from wisely using 
resources which the Federal Government or others put at their 
disposal.
    I mean, it's largely the same reason why so many people who 
win the lottery, let's say, or so many NFL superstars end up 
broke only a few years after they receive millions of dollars, 
because they simply don't know how to manage their money. They 
don't understand things like the costs that go into owning a 
home and everything that that entails.
    And so regulatory flexibility is a tremendous help. 
Financial literacy is also a tremendous help as well.
    Senator Scott. Well, you raise an important question about 
financial literacy. I think that we all, hopefully we all can 
share the importance here and understanding and appreciating 
and agreeing, frankly, of the importance of financial literacy 
period.
    I'd say, however, that in the current environment, looking 
at President Biden's recent State of the Union, he repeatedly 
claimed that his economic agenda was working for the average 
person in our country. But since he's taken office, mortgage 
rates have ballooned by 150 percent. 150 percent. Rent is up 20 
percent, homelessness in a single year increased by 12 percent.
    I think it's a fair assessment to say that the Biden 
policies are devastating and negatively impacting first time 
home buyers. Would you agree with the time that we have left 
about 45 seconds?
    Mr. Antoni. I would, Senator. And frankly, it's shocking 
how if you follow the chain of events, you can see how 
trillions of dollars of Government spending led to so many of 
the problems that we face today.
    It caused the inflation, it caused the violent change in 
interest rates, which helped freeze over both the supply of new 
homes, as well as the supply of existing homes to the market. 
And that has greatly contributed to the increase in price that 
we have seen today.
    Senator Scott. Thank you. I yield back my time.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Scott. Happily. Thank you.
    Senator Scott. You're welcome.
    Chair Brown. Senator Menendez, New Jersey is recognized.
    Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. Bailey, the National Low Income Housing Coalitions 2023 
Out of Reach report show just how hard it is for low-income 
renters to afford even modest housing. In my State of New 
Jersey, a medium income renter is barely able to pay for a one-
bedroom home.
    The fact is that there aren't enough rental homes being 
built, and part of that is because Federal lending programs 
like HUD and the Federal Housing Administration having kept 
pace with the market.
    Ms. Bailey, is it true that FHAs multifamily loan limits 
haven't been adjusted since 2003?
    Ms. Bailey. Yes, that is true.
    Senator Menendez. Because the limits haven't been updated 
in so long over two decades, even after adjustments for 
inflation and higher cost areas, FHA multifamily financing 
simply isn't a viable financing tool in many parts of the 
country anymore.
    Would you say that these limits pose one of our challenges 
to HUD and FHA meeting its mission to provide decent, safe, and 
sanitary housing?
    Ms. Bailey. Absolutely. The key thing to understand is 
rarely is it one tool that we use to build any multifamily 
development. It takes multiple tools to build just one 
affordable housing development. So whether with the Low Income 
Housing Tax Credit, the loans through HUD, the HOME program, 
Community Development Block Grant dollars, all of that has to 
work together. But none of them were actually created to work 
together.
    So it's really important to reform things in order to make 
things align better, and that's definitely necessary with the 
lending program.
    Senator Menendez. I appreciate that. That's why I 
introduced a bill for today's hearing that would modernize FHAs 
ability to finance multifamily housing construction around the 
country.
    It's a simple commonsense proposal that would, among other 
things, update FHAs lending ability to accurately reflect the 
increase in construction costs over the past 20 years. And I 
think this is one element of the supply side that Dr. Antoni 
was talking about.
    Flooding is one of the most frequent and most expensive 
natural disasters impacting homes in the United States. And 
while 40 percent of Americans live in coastal counties, just 4 
percent of Americans have a flood insurance policy.
    Ms. Bailey, isn't it true that low-income families 
disproportionately face increased flood risk?
    Ms. Bailey. That is true. Too many developments are in the 
floodplain.
    Senator Menendez. And so while FEMA has long struggled to 
keep premiums affordable in the National Flood Insurance 
Program, and with growing flood risk due to climate change, I 
worry that many families face an impossible choice of being 
overburdened with housing costs or foregoing insurance for the 
most important financial asset, which is their home.
    And the cost of flood insurance is directly tied to the 
affordability of home ownership, especially if your mortgage 
provider requires coverage. So if you cannot get flood 
insurance because it is unaffordable and the marketplace is 
just not taking care of it on its own and you need it in order 
to get your mortgage, which most mortgage companies or banks 
require, then you are locked out.
    And so that's why our bipartisan NFIP Re Act, which creates 
an affordability voucher program is incredibly important. And I 
hope we can get to a pathway forward on that.
    Finally, affordable housing is increasingly located in 
areas that are far away from job centers, forcing workers to 
pay higher transportation costs or work fewer hours. According 
to one analysis, workers are spending $2,000 and 39 hours more 
per year on commuting than before the pandemic.
    Housing cannot be affordable unless people are able to get 
to work where they live, which is why I led the charge with my 
Livable Communities Act, which creates a Federal grant program 
to incentivize the development of new affordable housing near 
existing mass transit.
    Mr. Josephs, can you explain how critical it is that we 
keep other costs, like transportation in mind when developing 
affordable housing?
    Mr. Josephs. Yes, sir. And it was a great bill to support. 
I think providing more opportunities to build near transit is 
critical. It's saving the family commuting times. And when 
you're lower income and paying for childcare every 15 minutes, 
every half hour, it definitely counts. You're also reducing 
emissions.
    It just makes so much more sense to build near those. And 
we particularly appreciated that you would require 25 percent 
of the funding in high poverty communities. So it's a great 
idea.
    Senator Menendez. It is an opportunity to take the 
infrastructure that exists, maximize it, and create greater 
opportunities for people to be able to work successfully and 
spend less of their disposable income on transportation and 
related costs. I thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Menendez.
    Senator Tillis is recognized from North Carolina.
    Senator Tillis. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Chair, I don't know if this is already in the record, 
but if not, I'd seek unanimous consent to enter Mr. Antoni's 
article, ``Why Are We Raising Home Buyer Costs for Responsible 
Borrowers'' into the record?
    Chair Brown. No objection.
    Senator Tillis. Thank you.
    So, Mr. Antoni, I like the article. I particularly like, 
the content of the article also. You taught me a new word, 
defenestrated, which is throwing something out the window. I 
didn't know that. I don't know.
    Chair Brown. Senator Tillis, there's the great 
defenestration of 1649. There is, correct.
    Senator Tillis. Outside of your baseball knowledge?
    Chair Brown. That's not baseball.
    Senator Tillis. Surprised that you know that.
    Chair Brown. Somebody threw a monk or a somebody, right? 
Dr. Antoni, who was it? Somebody was. Anyway, in the Czech 
Republic, I believe.
    Senator Tillis. Well, Chat GPT gave me an update.
    Chair Brown. Somebody check that out. [Ed.--The 1419, 1483, 
and 1618 Defenestration of Prague.]
    Senator Tillis. But I'm going to be honest, I did not know 
that word, but I do----
    Chair Brown. Senator Tillis, you now have 4 minutes left.
    Senator Tillis. I do?
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Tillis. I do know, I guess, that the concern that I 
have, and you've noted it in the article, the FHFA, the sort of 
changing--I mean, I feel like we're almost creating a social 
engineering dimension to what has historically been to fact-
driven actuarial underwriting process.
    Your past history based on your ability to pay has weight 
in what you ultimately have to pay for a loan. And if you are 
more likely to default, you have to pay a slightly higher fee. 
If you're less likely to default, you pay a lower fee.
    But with the new rule, it seems to me you're sending the 
message--the FHFA is sending a message to mortgage originators 
that, you know, we're going to charge an average of about 
$15,000 more to somebody with good credit over the next 30 
years. We're going to save the person with marginal credit 
about 8,000 a year.
    How does that not potentially translate into problems later 
on as these loans or after these mortgages default rate goes up 
on ones that are being undercharged for the risk that they're 
rated, after they flow from origination to distribution?
    Mr. Antoni. Well, Senator, it's going to increase costs 
across the system really throughout the housing market. And 
frankly, we're seeing the exact same thing, just put on 
steroids, I think with the Basel III endgame regulations that 
are being pushed out.
    Senator Tillis. And happily we've heard Chairman Powell say 
that that needs a lot of work. But I think you're right. I 
guess I'm kind of wondering, you know, where I struggled, when 
I was getting my first house, my parents only owned a house 
about half the time that I was growing up. And sometimes they 
owned a trailer, sometimes we rented one. So, you know, I was 
somebody who had to work my way through a journey to be able to 
afford a house.
    So I'm working hard, saving money, or borrowing money for 
my first house in Atlanta, Georgia. It sounds like to me, if I 
was reliving that experience that I had back in about 1988 that 
I've got a good credit score now and my reward for working hard 
and saving money and getting to that point and a downpayment, 
is to have a higher underlying cost.
    So why wouldn't this create a distance in for somebody 
who's on the bubble? For me, you know, why would I work so hard 
or avoid some of those things that I wanted to do if I know 
that my credit rating is slightly lower, I'm going to get a 
concession for that. Why wouldn't that create a disincentive 
for people to continue to work on trying to improve their 
credit?
    Mr. Antoni. Senator, you raise a great point, which is that 
if you incentivize something, be ready to get more of it. And 
that's exactly what we're doing here. And as you divorce 
default risk from interest rates as you force lenders to 
consider other criteria that is irrelevant to that equation or 
sometimes completely counter to that equation, again, you are 
introducing systemic risk into this.
    Senator Tillis. Well, you know, here's what I wish--and 
we're going to submit a lot of questions for the record--but 
here's what I wish we were having a discussion about. I just 
had this discussion with a mayor and town manager and council 
in my office. I asked them to go back and do what I continue to 
do when we have these affordable housing hearings.
    Here I think we're making a mistake. Should we provide 
other ways to have people that are on the bubble of affording a 
home, figure out a way to help them out? Absolutely. But not by 
cooking the books on actuarial science. Not by making rating 
for risk not be what it really is anymore. Where does it end? 
Or do we just abandon it and come up with a completely 
different way of providing mortgages?
    But here's the other thing that we have to have. I've said 
this in finance, and I'll say it in banking. I won't go too far 
over, I won't throw the time limit out the window, Mr. Chair, 
but I have to say this.
    I wish that we could come together in this hearing on a 
bipartisan basis to talk about the underlying cost of housing 
that relates to overregulation and a lack of modernizing. Take 
a look at why would it that my county commissioners, Democrats 
and Republicans expressed concerns with the waters of the U.S. 
because they knew it was going to increase the cost of 
development. They knew that it was going to elongate the 
permitting process, and time is money.
    If we really want to work, we're going to have differences 
of this. Some will be ideological mine is just pure math on the 
latest advice from FHFA. But why don't we come together and 
look at real savings without putting water, air, or home safety 
at risk by taking a look at modernizing and reducing the 
underlying cost of housing?
    Because we're going to continue to have debates if we use 
this as the only approach of doing it. But if we get in a room 
on a bipartisan basis, I think we can take far more--make it 
far more affordable than these games that are being played by 
some of our regulators.
    And I'm going to finish now. Sorry to go over, Mr. Chair 
and I'll submit other questions for the record. Thank you all 
for being here.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Tillis. Senator Cortez 
Masto of Nevada.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I 
can't think of a more important hearing than the one today to 
really talk about how we supply and build affordable housing in 
our communities.
    And I appreciate my colleague from North Carolina, because 
I agree. I think there needs to be streamlined permitting at 
the local and State and Federal level that this is part of the 
problem and we need to address it.
    There's three pieces of legislation though, that I have 
introduced and around housing because I see the need for it in 
my State. It's workforce housing. It is all of the above. And 
it is important that we're working together, and I hope we are 
able to pass this legislation. I just came from E and R and 
there's a lack of housing for our wildland firefighters. I 
mean, it touches everybody in our community and we just have to 
focus on it.
    One area I want to talk about is the Federal Home Loan Bank 
system. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget 
Office, the Federal Home Loan banks receive a 7 billion annual 
subsidy with nearly all of it passed along to their member 
banks, insurance companies, and credit unions.
    Vast majority of that subsidy has no impact on housing. 
Their mission is housing and economic development. I have 
legislation that I've introduced the Federal Home Loan Bank's 
Mission Implementation Act. I'm doing an updated version of it.
    And what I'm recommending is that we at least double the 
Federal Home Loan Bank's contribution to the Affordable housing 
program from 10 percent to 20 percent. That's all we're asking 
right now.
    Mr. Josephs, can I ask you based on that, if we were able 
to double the contributions to at least 20 percent, would it 
help LISC build more homes?
    Mr. Josephs. Absolutely. I think doubling it would add 
several hundred million more dollars annually to this account 
that would provide critically needed gap financing for rental 
housing because that's primarily what it's used for right now, 
and we're seeing bigger gaps.
    But it also can help affordable home ownership 
opportunities as well, because that's an eligible use of the 
funds. So it's unequivocally yes. That would be a great, great 
tool.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Right. And I thank you. Because some 
of the biggest challenge is the gap in financing, right? 
Cobbling together financing to build housing is the biggest 
issue that I hear in my State. Is that true?
    Mr. Josephs. That's absolutely true.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Yeah. And so the next area that I 
also know that is important for this financing and a key piece 
of building affordable housing, is the Home Investment 
Partnership program.
    HOME is the largest Federal, affordable housing block grant 
in the country. My bill, the Home Investment Partnerships 
Reauthorization and Improvement Act would improve the ability 
of HOME to support home ownership, including providing 
flexibility for servicemembers, their heirs, community land 
trust, which we're trying to do in Nevada right now.
    It would also provide local authorities the ability to 
pledge five times their current allocation for investments. 
This bill would help thousands of hardworking families in 
Nevada and across the country, purchase and stay in their 
homes.
    Mr. Josephs, can you talk a little bit about the importance 
of home in building affordable homes and how does the 
legislation and an update of the HOME program help in today's 
world of the challenge of building affordable homes?
    Mr. Josephs. Sure. Yeah. The HOME program is really one of 
HUD's flagship programs for affordable housing development. It 
really is that glue, it's that missing piece often we're seeing 
with our housing credit properties where there are gaps, we're 
using the HOME dollars to help solve some of those gaps. But 
it's so flexible, it can be also used for single family, home 
construction, home owner rehabs, tenant based rental 
assistance. So it's really a great flexible tool.
    But what we really like about your legislation is 
increasing the authorized funding levels because there's just 
not enough to go around, establishing the loan guarantee 
program you referenced to better leverage the Federal 
resources, streamlining the administrative requirements, making 
it consistent with other Federal programs and expanding the 
ability of nonprofit housing organizations to really access 
some of these funds. So a lot of great proposals.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. And then finally I want to 
talk about manufactured housing. This is an area that I also 
have been focused on because I think it is part of the solution 
to our affordable housing needs. And I've appreciated working 
with the Ranking Member, Senator Scott, and ensuring the needs 
of manufactured homeowners are included when we're talking 
about housing.
    But manufactured home communities are home to about 8.5 
million Americans. And it's a very important source of 
affordable housing. A few weeks ago had announced a request for 
applications for a new program to fund new roads, water, sewer, 
tornado shelters, and other infrastructure improvements for 
manufactured home communities.
    I'm proud that I led the creation of this program, the 
Preservation and Reinvestment Initiative for Community 
Enhancement, which was an enacted in 2022. But it was only 
funded for 1 year. And my goal here now is to make it a, a 
permanent key piece of funding.
    Mr. Josephs, can you talk a little bit why this is just as 
important for our manufactured housing?
    Mr. Josephs. Well, again, the flexibility, right? The price 
grants can be used to construct, to reconstruct, or repair 
manufactured housing. It can be used to improve the facilities, 
as you mentioned, the infrastructure to help protect the health 
and the safety of the residents.
    It can also be used for relocation assistance and eviction 
prevention. So these, these kind of funds are critical, and 
that sector certainly needs support.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thanks, Senator Cortez Masto.
    Senator Vance of Ohio is recognized.
    Senator Vance. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thanks to our 
three guests for being here.
    Ms. Bailey, I wanted to direct my questions in your 
direction because there's an issue where I think we disagree on 
an issue where we agree on, and I kind of want to tease out 
both of those because, you know, agree with Mr. Antoni that 
there's a supply problem here, right?
    We sort of want to be building more housing because that'll 
drive down the cost. But I really worry about the demand side 
problem with the housing problem that we have in this country. 
And that'll tie into a bill that I have with Senator Hagerty, 
he's also on this Committee to try to address some of that.
    And the way that our community development block grants, I 
think, should go to American citizens and lawful permanent 
residents and not to people who shouldn't be in the country in 
the first place.
    But before I get to that, one of the interesting findings 
from the research, Ms. Bailey, and I think this is an area 
where you and I may disagree on, or at least we have some 
disagreements in public policy, if I can assume that you agree 
with all the views of your employer, which is always dangerous. 
But I assume you probably have some alignment with them.
    Is the way that illegal immigration, especially when you 
have it at the scale that we have in this country right now, 
probably 25 million, 10 million in the last three and a half or 
so years, really does apply some interesting demand pressures 
on local housing markets.
    And in particular, there's a study that I want to call your 
attention to. I won't ask you to comment on it because I don't 
want to ambush you with it. But really, fascinatingly sort of 
looked at local consequences of the immigration problem in 
housing.
    And what it found was that on a county and metropolitan 
area level, increased illegal immigration really shot up the 
price of rents and the price of housing. But then it 
fascinatingly on the neighborhood level, it actually drove down 
housing prices in the neighborhoods where illegal migrants 
moved.
    And the fascinating sort of dynamic is you ask yourself, 
you tie this all together and you ask yourself, who's 
benefiting on the housing market level from mass migration in 
this country?
    It's people who own homes in neighborhoods where immigrants 
don't move. In other words, rich people, right? They're the 
ones who benefit from this very large influx of illegal 
immigration that we've had. And pretty much everyone else 
suffers.
    And I'm just sort of curious because I think genuinely you 
are motivated by a concern like I am, that we want low income 
people to be able to afford a house. We want Americans writ 
large to be able to buy homes, especially first-time home 
buyers. We know that's an important part of starting a family.
    And I know that sort of on the migration question, you're 
sort of on the opposite side of me. I guess my question is 
just, given those sort of priors that each of us is bringing to 
the conversation, would you sort of give me your sense of 
whether you worry about this illegal immigration problem and 
whether it is driving up housing prices in a way that makes 
home buying unaffordable for Americans?
    Ms. Bailey. So what I worry about is how we're helping 
people be able to have a safe place to live. And the challenge 
that I have with your construct is that it's set in an 
environment of scarcity, that we just don't have enough. And I 
just can't believe that in the wealthiest country in the world 
that that's the case and construct that we should be operating 
in.
    So that fundamentally is the problem, is that we're not 
thinking in ways that treat everyone with the humanity that 
they deserve.
    Senator Vance. I appreciate that Ms. Bailey. And I'm going 
to move on to the other topic where we actually agree. But I 
guess my response to that would just be, housing is sort of 
fundamentally scarce, right? It's hard to build a new house. 
It's hard to sort of develop the land to build a new house.
    And I think all of us probably agree--at least I'd hope all 
of us agree--that we need to increase the supply of housing 
too. But you're still going to have scarcity in supply, 
especially when you have multiple demand pressures on the 
housing market. Now, illegal immigration is one, but there's 
another one where I think I want to sort of get your views on 
as well.
    And if you could answer briefly, because we're running low 
on time and I'm trying to talk fast here. But could you talk a 
little bit about this phenomenon of institutional investors 
buying single family homes and what you think that is doing to 
the scarcity problem in the home buying market?
    Ms. Bailey. So that is an issue that we're seeing across 
the country, and it is creating a situation where homes that 
would be affordable aren't. We need to do more locally to think 
about how we can control how these predatory investors are 
coming into communities and limiting resources, especially, 
they're doing this a lot in communities of color. And that's 
disturbing.
    Senator Vance. Yeah. And I'd love to get more details on 
that and we may follow up just off the record, because I'm sure 
you have some insights there that we would benefit from. And 
I'll have my staff do that.
    But, you know, just two quick final comments here, being 
mindful of time.
    I think in the same way that you worry about institutional 
investors buying up single family homes, and I do too, I think 
we have to worry about, you know, 10, 15, 20 million illegal 
aliens also applying those demand pressures.
    And I think both of those things are conspiring against 
American citizens and making it harder for folks to afford 
homes. And I just, you know, encourage you to sort of think 
about both sides of that coin, recognizing that we do live in 
some world of scarcity.
    And if I could put a pitch in Mr. Chairman for Senator 
Haggerty and I's Bill, the No Community Development Block 
Grants for Sanctuary Cities Act. One of the really disturbing 
things is that we actually have about $3 billion going to the 
community development block grant program. About a billion of 
it goes into sanctuary cities.
    And so if we're trying to limit this upward demand pressure 
on home buying, this is one small effort that I think would be 
useful in that. And with that, I yield back to, I guess, Madam 
Acting Chairman. Thank you.
    Senator Warren. Thank you. So we're in the middle of a 
housing crisis all across America. Today, though I want to 
focus on the housing crisis in Indian country. The Federal 
Government has failed to live up to its promises to Tribal 
Nations. And one of the ways that we've fallen short, we have 
woefully underfunded programs for native communities.
    In the 25 years since the Indian Housing Block Grant 
program was created, Congress has consistently failed to put 
enough money into the program, even to keep up with inflation, 
let alone the massive housing needs in Indian country.
    Ms. Bailey, you are an expert on the housing needs of 
historically marginalized communities. How have Tribal 
communities been affected by the Federal Government's failure 
to adequately fund Tribal housing programs?
    Ms. Bailey. Thank you, Senator. This is such a critical 
issue that we don't talk enough about. And for Tribal nations, 
housing quality is a huge issue. We haven't helped them invest 
in housing in order to keep their properties from 
deteriorating. Housing overcrowding is an issue, and 
homelessness in general shows up differently in Indian country 
than it does in non-Tribal areas.
    So this investment is critically important to highlight.
    Senator Warren. OK. So poor condition of the housing, a lot 
of homelessness, a lot of overcrowding. You know, the Federal 
Government's refusal to provide basic funding to native 
communities is one of the reasons that I introduced my Honoring 
Promises to Native Nations Act back in 2022.
    One of the core promises of that bill is that Tribal 
communities should be entitled to 5 percent of Federal dollars 
as Tribal groups have demanded for years in order to fulfill 
the Federal Government's trust and treaty obligations.
    Today, as this Committee considers proposals to address our 
housing crisis, I am reintroducing Rural Housing Service 
provisions from the Honoring Promises as a standalone 
legislation.
    The Tribal Rural Housing Access Act would set aside 5 
percent of Rural Housing Service funds for Tribes, native 
community development financial institutions, native-owned 
entities and Tribal members.
    My bill has been endorsed by Native CDFI Network, National 
Congress of American Indians, National American Indian Housing 
Council, Housing Assistance Council, and National Rural Housing 
Coalition.
    Ms. Bailey, you've had a chance, I think, to look at my 
bill. Would my bill help address some of the housing challenges 
faced by native communities?
    Ms. Bailey. Absolutely, it would. It's our understanding 
that only about 1 percent of these resources currently go to 
Tribal Nations. And so being able to increase that to 5 percent 
would make a huge difference in all of the areas that are 
necessary in Tribal lands.
    I think another thing that is important that I want to 
highlight is in order for them to be able to spend those 
resources, it's critically important for us to look at how the 
Department of Interior, the Department of Justice, and HUD are 
working together.
    We've got to improve the bureaucracy and streamline that so 
that we can truly honor the Nation-to-Nation relationship we 
should be having with Tribal Nations.
    Senator Warren. That's a very powerful point. I want to 
underscore though, in my bill, this wouldn't cost the Federal 
Government an extra dime, but it would go a long way to 
beginning to fulfill our trust and treaty obligations that we 
have ignored for so long.
    Other Members of this Committee have already done important 
work on this issue. Senator Smith and Senator Rounds have a 
bill that would set aside funds for native CDFIs to administer 
the 502 Direct Loan Program, which plays a critical role in 
helping low income individuals buy and rehabilitate homes.
    Our bills go hand in hand. My bill counts every dollar of 
Senator Smith and Senator Rounds set aside toward my 5 percent 
set aside, and it sets aside funding for Tribes in other rural 
housing service programs as well, including housing subsidies 
for farm laborers.
    Let me be clear, we need a major Federal investment to 
increase our housing supply if we want to get out of this 
affordability crisis. And a 5 percent set aside for Tribal 
communities would be an important start.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Warren. I will ask my 
questions now. Welcome again, thanks to the Committee Members 
on this Committee.
    Last year, I joined Senators Rubio and Ossoff to introduce 
the HELPER Act. This questions for you, Mr. Josephs. HELPER Act 
creates a new zero downpayment mortgage option with a one-time 
fee, similar to a VA loan, as you know. So the first time home 
buyers, teachers, firefighters, police officers, can actually 
afford to live in the communities which they serve.
    What challenges Mr. Josephs to law enforcement and other 
public servants who are first time home buyers face, and how 
could the HELPER Act allow them to achieve their dream of home 
ownership?
    Mr. Josephs. Yes. I think you're hitting the right issue 
with the downpayments. There's a lot of mortgage ready 
borrowers out there that would meet credit guidelines, but they 
don't have enough upfront money to get the home. And if they 
did, they might not have enough in savings to help maintain the 
home.
    So that is important. And also the insurance costs that can 
drive up the cost of their mortgages by keeping those down, I 
think those both very helpful approaches.
    Chair Brown. OK. Thank you. One of the biggest costs, 
again, Mr. Josephs, if not the biggest cost in building new 
housing is land. Across the country, we've seen churches and 
synagogues and schools with unused land who want to work with 
local partners to add new affordable housing on their 
properties, but they essentially don't know how to get started.
    So how could giving religious groups tools and advice to 
support these we call them YIGBYs as you know, developments, 
help add affordable housing?
    Mr. Josephs. Yeah. So we actually administer a faith-based 
housing initiative in our Bay Area LISC offices to help do 
exactly this, provide the education and technical resources. 
Developing affordable housing requires a real specialized 
knowledge and relationships to navigate project management, 
funding deal structuring.
    So what we do is we provide technical workshops. We provide 
targeted technical assistance, a development coach, access to 
grant funds to support predevelopment--funding, which is so 
hard to come by, and even a stipend for the organization.
    So if what you're proposing, kind of can fund some of that 
stuff, then that is exactly what is needed.
    Chair Brown. We will pursue that. Thank you.
    Ms. Bailey, millions of families face eviction every year 
when a family's evicted, as both Senator Lummis and Senator 
Smith said, everything turns upside down in their lives, as we 
know. Many have nowhere to go. They have trouble renting 
another home for years to come.
    How could the Eviction Crisis Act help prevent unnecessary 
evictions and the costs that come with them?
    Ms. Bailey. Thank you, Senator, for raising this issue. So 
what we learned, we learned actually during the pandemic that 
being able to help people avoid eviction is actually quite 
simple.
    The Eviction Crisis Act can build off of that, giving 
people a little extra cash to be able to pay their rent that 
month, helps stabilize them in housing, and avoid all of the 
bad outcomes we know comes with evictions, including 
homelessness.
    Chair Brown. And you've mentioned a pilot in Ohio that's 
helped improve maternal and infant health by giving housing 
assistance to pregnant women and mothers who don't have stable 
housing.
    Is this the kind of program that could be expanded to help 
moms and babies around the country?
    Ms. Bailey. Absolutely. Well, we know and the health care 
world knows this, and looking at how social determinants of 
health work, that housing is one of the first and foremost 
important social determinants of health.
    And that is still true with pregnant people and moms who 
are expecting babies, that we know that if we can give them a 
solid foundation of a place to live, that it greatly improves 
the health of the mom, reduces her stress, and improves 
maternal outcomes.
    Chair Brown. Too often there are, shall we say, minority 
but bad owners who run HUD assisted affordable housing into the 
ground, to the point where housing could be shut down, 
residents pushed out of those communities. Owners who want to 
preserve aging buildings can struggle to find resources 
necessary to make needed repairs.
    What would help preserve these homes so they're safe for 
seniors and families who depend on them now and in the future?
    Ms. Bailey. Well, we need to first think about landlords 
and help and see if they need help in being able to make those 
investments. We don't have standard pools of resources to be 
able to help landlords make minor repairs or even help with 
accessibility for seniors in their home, avoid trips and falls, 
be able to get in and out of the shower and the bathtub.
    So first we should help landlords pay for these things, but 
we also need to do some better at oversight and administration 
and make sure that landlords are being good faith actors.
    And actually, I should add, the third thing that we need to 
do is make sure that tenants have legal aid assistance to be 
able to fight and protect themselves when landlords aren't 
holding up their end of the bargain.
    Chair Brown. Thank you.
    Senator Van Hollen from Maryland is recognized.
    Senator Van Hollen. Mr. Chairman, I would like to return 
the favor to Senator Fetterman. The other day I had to run and 
he allowed me to go first. So, Senator Fetterman, please.
    Chair Brown. Senator Fetterman, your time is recognized.
    Senator Fetterman. Thank you. Thank you.
    So people across Pennsylvania has been made it very, very 
clear that we are experiencing a housing crisis. 32 percent of 
renters in Centre and Pike counties are paying more half of 
their incomes in rent. Rents for the average one or two bedroom 
apartments are up to as much of $1,000 dollars a month in 
Indiana County, $1,200 a month in Montour County, and $2,000 a 
month in the Lehigh Valley.
    Franklin County is adding 2,000 jobs, but has no units 
affordable for these workers. We are short 15,000 units for 
income people in Pittsburgh, region alone. Shelters in Dauphin 
County are in maximum capacity.
    Addressing this housing crisis is at a top priority for me, 
and I'm glad to be here today to discuss possible solutions. 
I'm proud to introduce with my colleagues, the distinguished 
Senator from Wyoming, the very bipartisan Whole Home Repairs 
Act.
    And now I want to just talk about the history of that. That 
was inspired in my own State, spearheaded by Senator Saval, my 
State senator. And I'd like to point out that Senator Saval 
represents one of the bluest districts across the nation, 
technically as well too. But that was embraced by his 
colleagues in the Pennsylvania Senator from as red of any 
district in, in Pennsylvania as well too.
    So if this can happen in Pennsylvania, I hope that we can 
have this now nationally as a model. And now we have success 
stories on that.
    Mr. Tyler of Hawley, Pennsylvania, 87 years old and worked 
as a farmer, as a mechanic, and bartender, and a deputy 
sheriff. His roof collapsed and left a hole in the ceiling, and 
the water leaks and exposure had caused partial rotting of the 
wall and the ceiling.
    Wayne County Whole Home Repair funds were used to make 
exterior repairs to the roof, ceiling, and the wall, as well as 
weatherizing improvements that have reduced his heating bill by 
two thirds. Remaining interior work will be completed this 
month.
    And now, Mr. Josephs, thank you for LISC's support for the 
Whole Home Repairs Act. Can you please explain what repairs are 
and what are not covered by existing Federal programs?
    Mr. Josephs. Yes, thank you. Thank you for that question. 
If I may first also add that 5.6 percent of all homes in rural 
areas are inadequate. They need these kinds of repairs. And 
it's estimated by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia that 
there are repair needs of $149 billion on our housing stock, 57 
billion in homes occupied by low income individuals.
    So this is exactly the right tool that we need. Existing 
Federal programs at HUD, USDA, DOE and others, they cover 
certain things like lead remediation or weatherization, 
sometimes loans for home repairs, but there's really no one 
stop shop to get this kind of services. So I think that's the 
great innovation of the bill.
    Senator Fetterman. Yeah, and I just want to drill down on 
this idea of, I mean--of course now it's a truly bipartisan 
solution out Pennsylvania, and I was Lieutenant Governor at the 
time, and I thought that was remarkable.
    And you have one of my colleagues, again, from an 
incredibly, incredibly blue district in Philadelphia, and now 
found a huge audience from red counties and districts all 
across Pennsylvania. And that's why I'm hopeful that there 
might be a path forward, an expert like yourself now fully 
endorses this.
    Mr. Josephs. Totally. Yes, absolutely.
    Senator Fetterman. OK. So we work to ensure the Federal 
program would help both rural and urban areas.
    Can you speak to the need of this kind of support across 
these kinds of communities?
    Mr. Josephs. Yeah. So I jumped the gun with the stats. In 
rural communities, there's 1.4 million homes that are 
classified as inadequate, so they need significant repairs. 
That's 5.6 percent of the homes.
    But also we know there's a lot of aging housing stock in 
the country. At 43 years of age, the median home in 2021 as the 
oldest it's ever been. In 1991, the median age of a home was 27 
years.
    So this is a problem that's really affecting rural 
communities. It's also impacting urban communities where you 
might have higher rates of vacancy and foreclosures. So it's a 
tool that could be used in both.
    Senator Fetterman. Mr. Chairman, 60 seconds?
    Chair Brown. Certainly.
    Senator Fetterman. Thank you.
    Ms. Bailey, what's the need for home repair assistance and 
how much of our housing stock are we going to lose, if we don't 
have these kinds of investments?
    Ms. Bailey. Well, thank you, Senator for that question. You 
know, we could lose significant amounts of affordable housing 
without these kinds of investments. This is exactly why 
predatory entities can come into communities and purchase 
homes, because people don't have the resources they need to fix 
them.
    So they make, you know, a reasonable choice to be able to 
sell these properties. Or a family member who inherits the 
property may decide to sell the property, where if they could 
have access to some resources to renovate the property and 
improve the infrastructure of that property, they would keep 
it.
    So it can prevent a lot of displacement. It could prevent 
us losing affordable housing in communities.
    Senator Fetterman. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. And thank you. Senator.
    Senator Van Hollen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank all of 
you for your testimony. And Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding 
another hearing on the vital issue of affordable housing. We 
all know we have an affordable housing crisis in the country, 
and there are two halves to this, and we need to attack it from 
both sides.
    A lot of discussion today, I know on the production side, 
including using tools like the low income housing tax credit, 
expanding that, new markets tax credit. And I think that's a 
very important part. Clearly the supply side.
    I do want to focus today a little bit on the choice voucher 
piece of it and appreciate the President's budget requests. I 
specifically want to drill down on a bipartisan proposal that 
Senator Todd Young from Indiana and I have proposed, which is 
to use choice housing vouchers but to also target some of them 
toward families with young kids, six and under and provide 
wraparound services in helping them move to areas of higher 
opportunity.
    Back in 2019, Senator Young and I introduced the Housing 
Mobility Demonstration Act which quickly demonstrated the 
effectiveness of this approach in terms of giving kids a big 
leg up and a big opportunity.
    Dr. Raj Chetty, researcher, has documented clearly the 
benefits of this and found that where you add kids you know, 
from able to move to areas of higher opportunity it has 
increased their lifetime income by over $300,000 in terms of 
better school opportunities and other things.
    And so we introduced a bill based on the demonstration 
project, it's a family voucher program with these wraparound 
services, Family Stability and Opportunity Vouchers Act, to 
create 250,000 new of these new mobility vouchers.
    So I know that Mr. Josephs, I think you referenced this at 
least in your written testimony. Could you speak a little bit 
to the importance of passing this bipartisan bill, which I 
should say not only has bipartisan sponsorship here in the 
Senate, but as a broad range of organizations from across the 
political spectrum supporting it?
    Mr. Josephs. Yeah, the vouchers are a critical tool. You 
have, on the one hand, the supply side you mentioned earlier, 
low income housing tax credits that can build more supply, but 
you have to be able to--particularly for the lower income 
families, lowest income families--really provide a rental 
subsidy as well.
    So vouchers are a critical tool. And yeah, Raj Chetty's 
research really demonstrated that the best benefit you get is 
to the younger children that are moving into the higher 
opportunity areas. So I think this is a great idea to promote 
this kind of program.
    Senator Van Hollen. Ms. Bailey, I know you've also looked 
at these issues. If you can expand upon this a little bit, 
because again, we want to make sure that we target resources in 
a smart way, and this does appear to be something that is now 
proven to be effective at lifting opportunities for kids.
    Ms. Bailey. Yeah, and one important point is for folks to 
understand that the number of vouchers that have been going to 
families with kids, actually has been declining because we've 
been targeting resources to a lot of folks who are single 
adults for a good reason.
    Part of the environment of scarcity we're living in right 
now, we've rightly tried to end homelessness for veterans, 
we've rightly tried to end chronic homelessness, and we've 
rightly tried to get folks off of the street as quickly as 
possible.
    But one of the downturns of operating in this environment 
of scarcity means that there are people we haven't prioritized, 
and we haven't prioritized families with kids. And so that's 
why it's really important to look at how to expand vouchers 
across populations.
    We know the benefits for families with kids that a 
foundation of housing helps kids stay in school, gives them a 
safe place to study, and being in communities that are properly 
resourced. And we've got to make sure and do all we can to 
greatly expand voucher assistance. So we're not operating in 
these buckets of having to choose who we're going to help, 
because unfortunately, someone loses and lately it has been 
families with kids.
    Senator Van Hollen. Well, I appreciate that very much, and 
I'm a big supporter of the VASH vouchers for veterans and other 
ways to help our veterans. We need to continue to do that, as 
you say.
    But this is also a tool that helps with intergenerational 
way and leads to higher incomes for people who are kids now and 
more wealth building. So I do hope, Mr. Chairman, I know you're 
looking at a series of bipartisan bills to act on as a 
Committee. This is a bipartisan bill that has proven to be 
successful, and it just makes sense to expand it a little bit.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. And Senator Scott and I are working 
on a series of bipartisan bills that we hope we can have a 
markup on. Senator Warnock of Georgia is recognized.
    Senator Warnock. Thank you so very much, Chair Brown.
    One of the biggest obstacles for working families who want 
to purchase a home is a high upfront cost, including 
downpayments and closing costs. According to realtor.com, the 
median downpayment alone, downpayment, was over $30,000 in late 
2023, a steep hill for a lot of families.
    And with mortgage interest rates still very high, many 
families may also be looking to buy points to reduce those 
rates. These high upfront costs are especially hard on first 
time home buyers who may not have the cash saved to cover these 
expenses, even if they have good credit.
    That's why I introduced the Downpayment Toward Equity Act, 
a bill to provide direct assistance to first-time, first-
generation home buyers to help cover closing costs, 
downpayments, and buy down mortgage rates.
    Ms. Bailey, who would primarily benefit from this kind of 
downpayment assistance?
    Ms. Bailey. Thank you, Senator, for this question. You 
know, primarily it would be it would be people of color that 
would be able to benefit from this kind of assistance.
    And people with lower incomes who don't have 
intergenerational wealth, and so haven't been able to--they can 
afford the mortgage and they can afford to--they've saved 
enough money to be able to maintain their home once they 
purchase it, but they don't have the huge amount of savings 
that they would need would in order to enter into the----
    Senator Warnock. I'm sorry. Would this be helpful to rural 
families?
    Ms. Bailey. It would absolutely be helpful to rural 
families as well.
    Senator Warnock. Thank you. Buying a home isn't just about 
having a roof over your head. It's an investment in the future 
of your family. It's the American dream. It's where most 
people's wealth is.
    According to a study from the National Association of 
Realtors, the net worth of a typical homeowner is 40 times 
higher than the net worth of a typical renter. How would 
downpayment assistance decrease wealth inequality and the 
racial wealth gap in our country?
    Ms. Bailey. It would significantly help close the racial 
wealth gap for the families that are able to afford to get into 
home ownership.
    Senator Warnock. Well, thank you so much. And I look 
forward to working with my colleagues to continue furthering 
the goal of making the American dream of home ownership a 
reality for all. I think it's good for those families. It's 
good for the country.
    Metro Atlanta has a big problem. Private equity and other 
large investment firms are buying up all the single family 
homes and turning them into investment vehicles. An analysis by 
the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that more than 65,000 
homes have been bought up by large investment firms in the past 
decade, 65,000.
    And according to a recent study out of Georgia State 
University, 11 percent of all single-family homes available for 
rent in Metro Atlanta are owned by just three corporate 
landlords. That's more than 19,000 homes.
    It's not possible for working families to compete with 
private equity. To buy a home when any affordable properties on 
the market are quickly snatched up by investment firms looking 
to make a profit for their stakeholders.
    Mr. Josephs, how can Congress help ensure affordable homes 
in Atlanta and across the country are accessible to working 
families and not just to large investment firms?
    Mr. Josephs. So you're actually right. Between 2010 and 
2021, the share of homes purchased by investors in majority 
Black zip codes, increased from 13 percent to 30 percent. So 
this has been a big problem.
    One thing we could do: Senator Brown introduced some great 
legislation to make sure that these investors are not taking 
advantage of the tax code to do these kinds of investments, 
these larger institutional investors. So that's a start.
    We also think the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act can be 
a counteraction to this because in that program, you have to 
buy and improve homes for sale to lower income people. So it'll 
be for sale properties. You can't just gobble up the homes and 
leave them out there for rentals. It's for sale. You're going 
to make improvements to the home. So we think that's another 
great tool.
    Senator Warnock. Well, thank you so very much. This is a 
real problem. Everywhere I turn in my home State, literally, I 
was just on the street Sunday walking and random citizens, 
``Hey, hey, I'm glad to see you,'' and wanted to talk to me 
about this very issue.
    For private equity, a home is just a row on a spreadsheet, 
tracking shareholder returns. Obviously, it's different for the 
ordinary citizen who's trying to buy into the American dream. 
We ought to use the tools available to us, do everything 
possible to improve this situation. Thank you very much for 
your testimony.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Warnock. And the issue of 
private equity, this Committee takes very, very seriously and 
the damage it does. So thank you.
    Thanks to the witnesses here today. Thanks for providing 
testimony. I would like to submit to the record more than 200 
letters from national, State, and local organizations and 
leaders, including mayors and sheriffs and Governors in support 
of the HELPER Act. It's a commonsense proposal to make sure 
that the people serving our communities can afford to live 
there.
    I hope more of my colleagues will join the 20 Senate 
cosponsors, both parties, 150 house supporters, both parties.
    For senators who will submit questions for the record, 
those questions are due 1 week from today, March 19th. To the 
witnesses, you have 40 days to respond to those questions.
    Thank you again. The Committee is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 11:59 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN
    In every part of the country, everywhere you turn, housing is too 
expensive and families have too few housing options.
    High interest rates are pushing home ownership further out of reach 
for families who were hoping to buy their first home, move for a job, 
or buy a bigger home as their family grows. They're forced to keep 
renting, or turn down job offers.
    Homeowners keep their homes off the market because they feel 
trapped by their current interest rates, and that keeps the supply low 
and drives up prices even more.
    Meanwhile all-cash buyers--including out-of-State investors funded 
by cheap Wall Street cash--drive home prices higher by buying up the 
few homes that do come on the market.
    High rates also make it harder to build more homes and add housing 
options, which would bring down prices.
    It's why I've called on the Fed to bring down interest rates. 
Ohioans worried about housing costs can't wait any longer.
    We see more and more renters and homeowners in Ohio and across the 
country whose only option is to pay more than they can afford for 
housing. Because rents keep rising faster than paychecks, high costs 
have pushed even more families--including parents working full time 
jobs--into homelessness.
    This isn't just happening in the biggest cities or on the coasts.
    It's happening in every State, in cities and suburbs, in small 
towns and in rural communities.
    In central Ohio, businesses are growing. I hear constantly--from 
mayors, from county executives, from business leaders, from workers--
that they're worried the housing supply won't be able to keep up with 
the growth, and costs could rise even more.
    There just isn't enough housing. And across the country--from Akron 
to Bozeman to Charlotte--community leaders are worried that the high 
cost of housing will limit their regions' ability to grow and thrive.
    There is no place in the country where a minimum wage worker 
working full time can afford even a modest two-bedroom apartment. The 
home health aides and administrative assistants and retail workers we 
all depend on aren't even paid enough to afford a one-bedroom 
apartment.
    We have been struggling to create enough housing for years--
decades.
    Housing construction plummeted after the 2008 financial crisis. And 
we've never made up for all of the missing homes.
    And so today, by some estimates, we're 4.3 million homes short of 
what we need. And anyone who's taken the most basic economics course 
knows that when supply is that low, high prices follow.
    Meanwhile, the homes we do have are getting older and need critical 
repairs that families and seniors and housing providers just can't 
afford, leaving kids exposed to toxic lead and leaving seniors with 
dangerous fall hazards and unstable roofs and sky-high utility bills.
    Today, we'll hear from Members of this Committee on both sides of 
the aisle about their legislation to bring down housing costs, make our 
existing housing stock safer, and expand housing options for both 
renters and homeowners.
    And because this crisis is hitting all types of housing, in every 
community, we need more than just one solution to these problems.
    I look forward to hearing from my colleagues about their proposals.
    Senator Smith and Senator Rounds have a bill that they've built a 
strong bipartisan consensus around, to improve rural housing programs 
and prevent the cost of rural housing from going up anymore.
    There are also proposals to improve HUD's housing voucher program, 
keep housing affordable for manufactured housing residents, and many, 
many more.
    I am also offering proposals to bring down housing costs and 
increase housing options, including addressing some of the challenges 
I've heard from Ohio families and communities.
    The Housing Supply Fund would help Community Development Financial 
Institutions and affordable housing developers build and preserve more 
housing that's affordable for both renters and homeowners.
    My ``Yes In God's Backyard''--or YIGBY--Act would support churches 
and other religious organizations with unused land who want to put that 
land to use to for affordable housing.
    We should also expand solutions that we know are already doing good 
work.
    The Grandfamilies Housing Act, which I introduced with Senators 
Casey and Collins, would build on success supporting intergenerational 
families.
    My Excess Urban Heat Mitigation Act of 2023 would help communities 
eliminate urban heat islands to better protect the health of seniors 
and families.
    As eviction numbers increase, we know what it takes to prevent 
families from being turned upside down by an unnecessary eviction.
    The Eviction Crisis Act, which I introduced last Congress with my 
colleagues Senators Bennet, Portman, and Young, would build on 
successful models across the country, and the success we saw from 
providing emergency rental assistance at the height of the pandemic, to 
reduce preventable evictions.
    As aspiring homeowners struggle more than ever to afford their 
first home, I've also put forward three proposals to help expand access 
to affordable home ownership.
    The VA Home Loan Awareness Act I introduced with Senator Braun will 
help ensure that veterans and servicemembers know about the affordable 
VA home loan option when they go to take out a loan. They've earned 
this benefit--they should know they have it.
    This week, I joined Senator Warnock in reintroducing the 
Downpayment Toward Equity Act, to provide assistance to first-time, 
first generation homebuyers who are too often locked out of the housing 
market by the lack of a downpayment.
    And the HELPER Act, which I introduced with Senators Rubio and 
Ossoff, will create a new type of FHA mortgage to make first-time home 
ownership more affordable for the law enforcement personnel, 
firefighters, and teachers who are serving our communities but can't 
afford to live there.
    This commonsense bill is supported by the Fraternal Order of 
Police, the National Association of Police Organizations, the Major 
County Sheriffs of America, Major Cities Chiefs of Police, the 
International Association of Fire Fighters, the American Federation of 
Teachers, the National Education Association, and more than 200 other 
national organizations, mayors, governors, and State and local groups 
across the country.
    They know first-hand how critical it is to support the people who 
teach our kids and keep us safe.
    The proposals we'll hear about today aren't all of the solutions we 
need to solve our housing crisis. But they're a good start.
    Yesterday, we also received a budget from the Department of Housing 
and Urban Development that outlines housing needs, along with proposals 
that can make our existing programs more efficient and effective.
    I look forward to working with Ranking Member Scott and all of the 
Members of this Committee to examine these proposals and find 
bipartisan consensus around solutions that can help to reduce costs and 
expand options for renters and homeowners.
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                PREPARED STATEMENT OF SENATOR TIM SCOTT
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman and thank you for the panelist for being 
here with us this morning and certainly, a very important topic for us 
to discuss--the state of housing.
    Nearly a year ago, this Committee had an identical hearing on 
today's topic of legislative solutions to address the increasingly more 
difficult challenge of achieving the American Dream through home 
ownership.
    Although I'm glad the Chairman has returned to this topic and 
agreed to seriously engage on building consensus around comprehensive 
housing legislation--like my ROAD to Housing Act--we have, 
unfortunately, watched a full year go by.
    And during the last 12 months, Americans have been stripped from 
the opportunity of becoming homeowners--in many ways because of the 
challenges brought to us by the current Administration.
    One of the things I like to say as I think this through a little 
bit--so many people have good intentions on solving the problem 
surrounding housing. But the truth is when you look back 15, 16 years 
ago to the financial crisis of folks providing more downpayment 
resources, more assistance to become a first-time homeowner--without 
any financial literacy or financial education as it relates to how to 
own a home or how to take care of a home--being prepared for planned 
obsolescence--things just become obsolete.
    Without that education you're simply renting the home that you 
think you own and then during the crisis what we saw was some of the 
highest levels of foreclosures for those folks that were induced to 
make a decision to buy a home that they could not afford because they 
thought they could afford the mortgage payment and not all the 
incidentals that come along with being a homeowner.
    Let me say this too--when you think about the crisis and the 
challenge of home ownership--those of us in Washington too often think 
that the solutions come from Washington. That is simply false.
    We can make a difference, but we are not the primary place where 
the difference should be made.
    As the former chairman of a county government, I can tell you that 
the vast majority of the issues facing home ownership happens on the 
local and the State level.
    Frankly, when you have communities that refuse to allow for an 
increase of homes to be built in their communities, then 10 years later 
you complain about the price of the homes in that community, you can 
just look back and follow the breadcrumbs back and see that--when you 
don't use the opportunity to fill in donut holes, when you don't use 
the opportunity to have high-density areas--for homeowners you will not 
have more homes on the market. That is basic math.
    You think about the States and the roles that they play--it's not 
simply a Federal issue this is primarily a local issue, and then a 
State issue, and in a very small part we can play on the Federal level.
    One of the things that we've seen in the past that has been very 
effective was the creation of Opportunity Zones in 2017 through the 
[Tax Cuts and Jobs Act].
    As I think about whether you're a Republican or Democrat--the one 
thing that's been celebrated across the country by blue mayors and red 
governors--so to speak--is the advent of Opportunity Zones.
    I think about my good friend who's a Democrat in Rock Hill, South 
Carolina, Mayor John Gettys, who said that the first time in more than 
three decades the opportunity to build homes because of Opportunity 
Zones that lowers the price for contractors to build--is there.
    I think about Charleston and Greenville, South Carolina, where 
you're seeing multimillion-dollar new investments building homes and 
apartments and townhouses and condos because of Opportunity Zones.
    There are things that we can do but typically what Government can 
do best from Washington is just to get out of the way and let the free 
market actually work.
    And that's why my release of my ROAD to Housing Act is such an 
important part of that consideration because what we focus on is 
financial literacy and financial education, we focus on reducing the 
red tape.
    I talk to mortgage companies across the country, and one of the 
things that they say left and right is that the cost of closing has 
more than doubled in the last 10 years--much of it due to the 
regulatory red tape that comes with closing.
    But there are other issues too, and I'll name just a few.
    Number one: families are struggling more than ever to afford their 
monthly rent and mortgage payments, in large part because of 
Bidenomics. Bottom line is that when you print and spend trillions of 
dollars it leads to high inflation. High inflation causes the Fed to 
respond and the Fed's response with the one tool they have--which is 
always a hammer because everything's a nail--is to increase interest 
rates. When interest rates go up, home ownership goes down.
    Number two: housing costs did not go up in a vacuum. The culprit is 
this Administration's runaway, un-checked Federal spending, aggressive 
interest rate hikes, and onerous regulations. That combination 
certainly cannot continue.
    Number three: Current Federal housing programs are not working. We 
have to improve the status quo so we can provide greater economic 
opportunity and safety across the Nation.
    And finally: Last year HUD reported that homelessness--
homelessness--has risen by more than 70,000 people--highest rate on 
record. With more resources, and more tools, we've seen more people 
homeless in this country. It's clear that this Administration's 
policies are certainly to blame.
    To address these shortcomings, it will take new solutions like 
those included in my ROAD to Housing Act to begin paving pathways 
toward prosperity.
    But I will point out the obvious: American families simply cannot 
afford to wait.
    For decades, the Federal Government has spent trillions of 
dollars--trillions of dollars--on various housing subsidies. Despite 
this, folks who grew up where I grew up--folks who are growing up today 
where I grew up 50 years ago--simply cannot afford a home better today 
than they did 50 years ago.
    Since 1973, the basic percentage of African Americans owning a home 
hasn't changed very much. The number is 44 percent. That has not 
changed a single point--not a single point--in the last few years.
    That is why I proposed the ROAD to Housing Act, a commonsense 
approach to housing that takes a comprehensive view of Federal housing 
policy and re-centers support around families, helping those who are 
homeless, renting, or ready to buy a home.
    This isn't a partisan issue.
    It isn't ``partisan'' to want to reduce the red tape for 
homebuyers.
    It's not ``partisan'' to encourage innovation and competition in 
Federal programs to better support families living in manufactured 
housing or families who rely on HUD's assistance.
    It's not ``partisan'' to preserve affordable housing units and 
encourage private capital to play a role.
    It's certainly not ``partisan'' to require greater accountability 
for our current Federal housing programs.
    So, I look forward to hearing the additional proposals that my 
colleagues will bring up today so that we can somehow find a way to 
stitch together--for every corner of our country--a better process to 
becoming a homeowner.
    I also look forward to working with Chairman Brown to ensure that 
the Committee hears from our housing regulators. The American public 
deserves accountability and transparency to understand how their 
dollars are being spent on housing programs.
    I thank you all for being here and I look forward to your testimony 
and asking some questions.
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                   PREPARED STATEMENT OF MATT JOSEPHS
 Senior Vice President of Policy, Local Initiatives Support Corporation
                             March 12, 2024
    Chairman Brown, Ranking Member Scott, and Members of the Committee: 
I thank you very much for the opportunity to speak with you today to 
discuss the critical role that Federal policy plays in supporting 
affordable home ownership, rental housing, and community development 
projects throughout the country, and what additional actions Congress 
can take to enhance these activities. I recognize that the Committee 
has many priorities, and I applaud you for your focus on these critical 
issues.
    My name is Matt Josephs, and I am the Senior Vice President of 
Policy at the Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC). LISC is a 
nonprofit housing and community development organization and certified 
Community Development Financial Institution (CDFI) with offices in 38 
cities throughout the country, and a rural network encompassing 140 
partners serving 49 different States, the U.S. Virgin Islands and 
Puerto Rico. LISC's work supports a wide range of activities, including 
affordable housing, economic development, building family incomes and 
wealth, education, community safety, and community health. LISC and its 
affiliates raise and deploy well over $2 billion annually in grants, 
loans and equity capital into distressed urban and rural communities.
    LISC believes that a safe, affordable home is one of the basic 
requisites of life--a key to individual health, well-being and 
financial security. We also believe that underserved communities 
require community development investments to bolster local economies, 
create jobs, improve quality of life, and allow residents to meet their 
individual goals. This is why LISC takes a holistic approach to 
investment, investing in affordable housing as well as in small 
businesses, community facilities, commercial and retail space, 
recreational space and other physical assets that contribute to overall 
neighborhood revitalization.
    In this testimony, I will discuss: (i) the current landscape with 
respect to financing affordable housing and community development 
projects; (ii) the role that CDFIs play in the housing and community 
development financing ecosystem; (iii) the critical role of Federal 
programs, policies and initiatives in supporting investments in housing 
and community development; and (iv) actions Congress can take to 
increase affordable housing and community development investments.
Current Landscape
    Over the past few years, our Nation has experienced large swings in 
the housing market due to the economic impacts of the pandemic and 
consistent underproduction of housing supply. These impacts have been 
disproportionately felt by lower-income families and households of 
color, which experienced housing constraints before Covid. LISC has 
seen throughout our national footprint that the greatest single housing 
challenge is the lack of supply, in both the multifamily and single-
family markets, which is making housing increasingly unaffordable for 
lower, moderate, and even middle income families.
    Community development projects also experience challenges, 
including a lack of access to capital for small businesses, operating 
cost pressures on childcare operators and other community service 
providers, and limited sources of funding available for commercial 
corridor revitalization. As discussed further below, affordable housing 
and community development organizations working in rural and high 
poverty communities experience even greater challenges, due to less 
overall capacity and resources to meet these needs.
Multifamily Housing
    We are facing a severe housing shortage in this country. It is 
estimated that our Nation has underproduced on almost 3.8 million units 
of housing. \1\ This is not a recent trend. Housing starts peaked at 
2.3 million in 1972 and have not topped 2 million in any year since 
1978 despite a growing U.S. population. However, we are facing new 
headwinds that are making it even harder to build quality affordable 
housing.
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     \1\ https://upforgrowth.org/apply-the-vision/housing-
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    Specifically, the housing sector has experienced increased costs 
across the board, including for construction materials, labor, 
insurance, and the debt needed to finance their properties. \2\ The 
price of inputs to new residential construction (excluding capital, 
labor, and imports) was up 20 percent year over year in February 2022. 
\3\ LISC finances affordable rental housing projects across the 
country, and in markets of all types, we have seen firsthand the 
additional financing gaps created by these inflationary pressures. 
These can threaten the likelihood of a project going to completion if 
additional sources of scarce affordable housing funding can't be 
secured.
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     \2\ Fannie Mae. ``COVID-19 and Multifamily Construction Costs''. 
https://multifamily.fanniemae.com/news-insights/multifamily-market-
commentary/covid-19-and-multifamily-construction-costs
     \3\ Harvard University. ``State of the Nation's Housing''. https:/
/www.jchs.harvard.edu/state-nations-housing-2022
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    The lack of housing supply has been the primary reason that the 
multifamily rental market has experienced historic rent growth. Rents 
increased a record 11.6 percent at the end of 2021 and remained at an 
elevated pace during the first quarter of 2022. \4\ This was the 
largest year-over-year increase in two decades and more than three 
times the 3.2 percent average annual rise in the 5 years preceding the 
pandemic. \5\ For the first time, the median asking rent in the 50 most 
populous metropolitan areas is more than $2,000. \6\ Rent growth has 
recently declined due to lower inflation rates, although it would take 
far more declines to counteract the overall historic gains. \7\
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     \4\ Harvard University. ``State of the Nation's Housing''. https:/
/www.jchs.harvard.edu/state-nations-housing-2022
     \5\ Ibid.
     \6\ National Low Income Housing Coalition. ``Out of Reach''. 
https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/oor/2022/OOR--2022--Mini-Book.pdf
     \7\ Dr. Christopher Herbert. Senate Banking Committee Testimony. 
https://www.banking.senate.gov/download/herbert-testimony-2-9-23
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    High rent burdens contribute to housing instability for underserved 
families. In no State, metropolitan area, or county in the U.S. can a 
worker earning the Federal or prevailing State or local minimum wage 
afford a modest two-bedroom rental home at fair market rent by working 
a standard 40-hour work week. \8\ In addition, nearly half of all 
renters are now considered cost-burdened since they spend at least 30 
percent of their income on housing. \9\
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     \8\ National Low Income Housing Coalition. ``Out of Reach''. 
https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/oor/2022/OOR--2022--Mini-Book.pdf
     \9\ Joint Center on Housing Studies Blog. https://
www.jchs.harvard.edu/blog/number-renters-burdened-housing-costs-
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    While the most severe affordability challenges continue to be at 
the lowest end of the income spectrum, there have been growing 
challenges felt by middle income households, particularly in high-cost 
markets. City leaders from across the country have shared with LISC 
their struggles with housing teachers, firefighters, nurses and 
municipal workers, and related challenges in attracting talent to both 
public and private sector jobs due to inadequate supply of quality 
affordable housing. Renter cost burdens increased across all income 
levels in 2021, although they were the largest among middle-income 
groups. \10\
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     \10\ Christopher Herbert. Senate Banking Committee Testimony. 
https://www.banking.senate.gov/download/herbert-testimony-2-9-23
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Single Family Homes
    The Nation's underproduction includes the single family housing 
market too, resulting in higher prices for those homes that are on the 
market. Home price appreciation nationwide hit 20.6 percent in March 
2022--topping the previous high of 20.0 percent in August 2021 and 
marking the largest jump in three decades. \11\ Home price increases 
have cooled since the Federal Reserve began raising interest rates, 
although prices generally remain high, and elevated interest rates make 
it more difficult for first time homebuyers to purchase a home. Just 
42.2 percent of new and existing homes sold between the beginning of 
July and end of September 2022 were affordable to families earning the 
U.S. median income of $90,000. \12\ This was the second consecutive 
quarterly record low for single family housing affordability since the 
Great Recession.
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     \11\ Harvard University. ``State of the Nation's Housing''. 
https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/state-nations-housing-2022
     \12\ https://www.nahb.org/news-and-economics/press-releases/2022/
11/housing-affordability-falls-to-more-than-10-year-low-as-rising-
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    Home ownership disparities between racial and ethnic groups 
stubbornly persist. In the second quarter of 2022, the home ownership 
rate for White households was 75 percent compared to 45 percent for 
Black households, 48 percent for Hispanic households, and 57 percent 
for non-Hispanic households of any other race. \13\ These gaps in home 
ownership rates have changed little over the last three decades. In 
fact, the Black-White gap in home ownership rates was the same in 2020 
as it was in 1970, just 2 years after the passage of the Fair Housing 
Act of 1968, which sought to end racial discrimination in the housing 
market. \14\ These disparities limit the ability of families of color 
to achieve their home ownership goals and limits asset building 
opportunities, contributing to our Nation's racial wealth gap.
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     \13\ https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/racial-
differences-in-economic-security-
housing#::text=housing%20equity%20wealth.-
Homeownership,households%20of%20any
%20other%20race
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    Many communities have also been significantly impacted by real 
estate investors purchasing single family housing properties for rental 
housing. Increases in investor-owned properties are associated with 
rising rental prices, particularly in the most affordable segment of 
the housing market. These investor purchases reached a record high in 
2021, \15\ are geographically concentrated in the South and Southwest 
sections of the Nation and are primarily in low cost, neighborhoods 
with a majority households of color. \16\ Between 2010 and 2021, the 
share of homes purchased by investors in majority Black zip codes has 
increased from 13 percent to 30 percent; compared to increases from 7 
percent to 12 percent in other zip codes. \17\ LISC has seen the 
impacts of these practices in several of our local office markets, 
including Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Phoenix, Detroit, and 
others. Increased investor activity has been linked with troubling 
property management practices and, as critically, it limits the ability 
of first time and minority families to purchase homes and build wealth. 
\18\
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     \15\ Schaul, Kevin, and O'Connell, Jonathan. ``Investors Bought a 
Record Share of Homes in 2021. See Where''. Washington Post. February 
16, 2022.
     \16\ Dr. Desiree Fields, Senate Banking Hearing: ``How Private 
Equity Landlords Are Changing the Housing Market''. https://
www.banking.senate.gov/download/fields-testimony-10-21-21
     \17\ Schaul and O'Conell.
     \18\ Frankel, T., and Keating, D. (2018). ``Eviction Filings and 
Code Complaints: What Happened When a Private Equity Firm Became One 
City's Biggest Homeowner''. Washington Post. https://
www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/eviction-filings-and-code-
complaints-what-happened-when-a-private-equity-firm-became-one-citys-
biggest-homeowner/2018/12/25/995678d4-02f3-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4-
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Community and Economic Development
    Just as there are significant challenges to investing in affordable 
housing, so too are we seeing challenges to investing in other 
community and economic development projects in our neighborhoods. Many 
of these are long standing challenges, including: real and perceived 
risks from the private sector, insufficient infrastructure, higher 
levels of environmental remediation, less collateral availability, 
fluctuating income flow from small businesses or nonprofit project 
sponsors, and a longer timeline for economic returns. That is why lower 
income communities and families are particularly vulnerable to any 
disruptions to the economic markets, and the recent investment trends 
we discussed in housing we also see with respect to community and 
economic development investments.
    For example, small businesses often face difficulties in raising 
capital. Most banks will not consider loans of less than $250,000, 
making it very difficult for businesses to raise start up funding. This 
is a particular challenge for business start ups from lower income 
owners, who likely do not have resources from friends and family that 
can be used to cover upfront operating costs, nor access to peers that 
have experience owning and operating successful larger businesses. Many 
of these businesses rely on credit card and other higher interest loan 
products to support their operations, which makes them particularly 
vulnerable in higher interest rate environments.
    We are seeing similar dynamics play out in the community facilities 
financing space. LISC funds charter schools, workforce development 
centers, federally qualified health care centers and childcare centers, 
among other community based facilities. Banks generally require much 
higher collateral from these projects because income flow can fluctuate 
considerably from month to month, and because it may be difficult to 
repurpose the properties if the bank is forced to foreclose and take 
ownership.
    We see particularly acute challenges in the childcare sector. While 
investments in childcare are critical for ensuring a productive U.S. 
workforce, the current economics of building and maintaining high-
quality early childcare education facilities creates significant 
barriers to providers entering and staying in the market. Most notably:

    Child care providers tend to operate at exceptionally thin 
        margins, leaving very little room to support debt on the 
        property. This inhibits providers' ability to acquire and/or 
        develop facilities, as well as renovate existing facilities to 
        meet the needs of a high-quality center.

    Most providers--like other small businesses--should expect 
        to see operating losses during their startup phase. This is 
        prohibitive to providers entering the market or expanding, 
        especially given the thin operating margins and inability to 
        take on additional debt.

    Many providers also experience barriers to participating in 
        the real estate and financing aspects of the facilities 
        process, including creating an operating budget, developing and 
        implementing information systems, working with an architect, 
        and engaging with the regulatory bodies that oversee building 
        codes.

    These barriers are prevalent across markets, including urban, 
suburban and rural communities. In high-cost markets, providers are 
often priced-out from acquiring land or existing facilities, both 
because of the significant upfront purchase costs, as well as the 
capital needed to hold the land until the center is ready to open. And 
in rural areas, many of which have depressed economic markets, extreme 
unemployment, and dispersed populations, it is simply not economically 
viable to build a high-quality center when it is unclear if enough 
families will be able to attend, or if they will be able to pay a rate 
that supports the facilities' operations. Family-based childcare is 
often the only option in rural areas, but these providers are also 
constrained by the depressed economic markets and dispersed 
populations.
Rural Communities
    We know from our work, and the data confirms, that rural America 
experiences distinct economic and housing characteristics from the rest 
of the United States. On the economic front, rural America has not 
experienced population or economic growth at the rate of the national 
average and many persistently poor rural areas have experienced 
outmigration and population decline for decades. In fact, 81 percent of 
persistently poor communities (those with 20 percent of the population 
being at or below the poverty level for three decades) are outside 
metropolitan areas, with geographic concentrations in Central 
Appalachia, Mississippi Delta, border Colonias, Native American lands, 
and southeastern communities. \19\ Rural America is often challenged by 
undiversified local economies that are disproportionately impacted when 
one larger employer leaves a community or when commodity and extractive 
resource prices decline. In addition, rural America tends to have older 
populations than the country as a whole, with 19 percent of residents 
over the age of 65 versus 16 percent nationally. \20\ Communities with 
a disproportionate number of older adults often have challenges 
providing necessary services since these populations are more likely to 
be on fixed incomes and have special needs.
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     \19\ Taking Stock, Housing Assistance Council.
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    These economic realities create distinct housing needs in rural 
areas, especially low-income rural communities. Over half of renters in 
rural areas had incomes under $35,000. \21\ And while rural communities 
may generally be more affordable than metro areas, the low median 
incomes result in 44 percent of rural renters being housing-cost 
burdened. \22\ Housing in rural America is distinguished in other ways, 
including by higher rates of home ownership (73 percent vs. national 
average of 65 percent); higher proportion of manufactured housing (13.4 
percent, twice the national average); an older rental housing stock 
which is more likely to have housing problems, including 5.6 precent of 
housing being substandard; and specific local needs such as high 
overcrowding rates in many Native American communities. \23\
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     \22\ Ibid.
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    Nowhere is the nexus between housing and economic development more 
pronounced than in rural communities, which are increasingly hearing 
from employers that would like to locate high quality construction and 
manufacturing jobs to those communities but are facing the realities 
that there isn't enough quality housing to support their workforce.
Role of CDFIs in the Community Development Finance Ecosystem
CDFI Activities
    Community development financial institutions provide capital, 
credit, and financial services in underserved communities and 
individuals throughout the country. There are over 1,400 Treasury 
certified CDFIs across the country, ranging from credit unions to small 
nonprofit loan funds to large national organizations. Collectively, 
CDFIs have $247 billion in total assets and serve communities of all 
sizes in all 50 States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and 
Guam. \24\ CDFIs serve borrowers and geographic areas that are not 
readily served by mainstream financial institutions, providing loans to 
first-time homebuyers, financing for affordable rental housing and 
community facilities, and small business financing. In many cases, 
CDFIs provide the gap financing or the early stage financing that 
allows projects to secure conventional financing.
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    The most recent data from the CDFI Fund shows how CDFIs are meeting 
needs, with their primary lines of business split between business and 
microfinance, consumer lending, and residential real estate finance, in 
addition to other activities. \25\ In 2020, over $110 billion in 
lending was originated by CDFIs for affordable housing, consumer 
lending, and community development projects, with almost 77 percent of 
the number of those loans for projects and people living in an 
underserved community or for low-income households. \26\ Certified 
CDFIs are also required to provide training and technical assistance 
with their lending products, to ensure borrowers are successful. In 
2020, over 4.6 million individuals received housing counseling, 
financial education, business technical assistance, real estate 
trainings, and other development services. \27\
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     \27\ Ibid.
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    CDFIs serve communities of all sizes, including rural areas. A 
recent Federal Reserve survey highlighted that 25 percent of CDFI 
respondents reported serving small towns. \28\ CDFIs serving rural 
communities are often the only entities providing affordable housing 
and community development financing opportunities, due to contractions 
in the banking sector over time and capacity limitations of local 
organizations. These CDFIs though tend to have less sources of funding 
to expand their financing, even though over 75 percent of them reported 
increased demand for their lending products. \29\
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LISC Activities
    LISC has been a certified CDFI since 1995 and provides support 
relating to all components of the affordable housing financing and 
community development ecosystem. We raise capital and manage the assets 
of Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and New Markets Tax Credit investment 
funds; provide training and technical assistance grants to nonprofit 
housing developers and community development corporations; provide debt 
capital for multifamily housing projects, commercial real estate 
projects and small businesses; administer off balance sheet funds on 
behalf of municipalities, private sector organizations and foundations; 
support single family housing development and rehabilitation; and 
support rural housing initiatives, both single family and multifamily.
    In 2023 alone, LISC and its affiliated entities deployed over $2.5 
billion in equity capital, loan capital and grants to provide support 
to low income families and help revitalize distressed rural and urban 
communities throughout the country. This included $1.2 billion of 
equity investments in affordable housing that were secured by our 
affiliate, the National Equity Fund, through the Low Income Housing Tax 
Credit, including into funds that have been dedicated to support 
veterans housing and housing that is developed by smaller, emerging and 
minority developers. Since inception, LISC and its affiliates have 
invested $29.7 billion in grants, loans, and equity in affordable 
housing and community development projects, leveraging $82 billion and 
supporting 489,000 homes and apartments.
    LISC's single family work includes home repair, downpayment 
assistance, single family development financing, and heirs property 
assistance. Pioneered in 2015 by our Detroit LISC office, we offer 10-
year, interest free loans ranging from $5,000 to $25,000 to complete 
home repairs, fix structural defects and resolve health and safety 
issues such as lead, mold, and asbestos contamination. The Detroit 
program has provided $13.6 million in financing to 688 homeowners, 95 
percent of whom are Black, and 71 percent of whom are low-income 
households. The loan fund structure draws upon three sources of 
financing--Community Development Block Grant funds, private loan 
capital and grant funding--and we are in the process of building out 
similar programs in Memphis and other cities across the country.
    LISC has also been significantly engaged in economic development 
and commercial revitalization activities, including through Broadstreet 
Impact Services--our affiliate organization that secures equity 
investments and related debt through the New Markets Tax Credit 
program. Through 2022, LISC has placed $1.14 billion in NMTC equity 
investments in 172 different projects in low-income communities 
throughout the country, supporting $3.67 billion in total development 
costs. LISC NMTC investments have created or retained more than 23,000 
construction and permanent jobs, developed 13.9 million square feet of 
commercial and community space, and financed health care facilities 
serving more than 242,000 patients and educational facilities serving 
49,000 students.
    LISC has also increasingly been investing in small businesses and 
in the small business ecosystem. LISC is currently supporting a network 
of over 140 business development organization (BDOs) throughout the 
country, in both our urban and rural communities. BDOs offer 
comprehensive business services, including planning, financial 
coaching, assistance accessing new revenue streams, and more. They 
function as a high-touch response system for emerging entrepreneurs and 
legacy small business owners alike, helping them to launch, operate, 
grow, develop resiliency, and create new jobs in their communities. 
BDOs include community development corporations, CDFIs, chambers of 
commerce, business improvement districts, merchants associations, 
incubators, accelerators, and more.
    LISC also has a strong commitment to improving rural communities 
and in 1995, launched Rural LISC, a national program created to expand 
our reach beyond urban areas. Today, Rural LISC partners with 140 rural 
community-based organizations, including five financial intermediaries, 
helping each organization identify challenges and opportunities, and 
delivering the most appropriate support to meet those local needs. Over 
half of our partners provide housing assistance to the small towns they 
serve. LISC has renewed our commitment to rural communities through our 
Rural LISC Promise, our pledge to catalyze at least 20 percent of the 
community development impact that LISC makes, in any year, in rural 
communities.
Critical Role of Federal Affordable Housing and Community Development 
        Programs
    The Federal Government plays an essential role in supporting CDFIs, 
as well as helping to fill market gaps for affordable housing and 
community development projects. Below, we highlight some of the most 
essential Federal programs supporting this work, many of which fall 
under the purview of this Committee.
Multifamily Housing
    The construction and preservation of nearly all affordable rental 
housing relies heavily on Low-Income Housing Tax Credits. Housing 
Credit properties often utilize other sources of Federal subsidy, 
including the HOME Investment Partnership program, Capital Magnet Fund, 
USDA Rural Housing Service programs, and rental assistance through 
HUD's Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance, Project Based Voucher, 
and Housing Choice Voucher programs. These rental assistance programs 
are essential for affordable housing serving our Nation's poorest 
households.
    Low Income Housing Tax Credit
    The Housing Credit is the Nation's most successful tool for the 
production and preservation of affordable rental housing. Since its 
enactment in 1986, the Housing Credit has produced just under 4 million 
affordable homes, serving more than 8 million households, supporting 
approximately 6 million jobs annually, and generating approximately 
$250 billion in taxes and $700 billion in wages and business income. 
What's more, properties financed with the Housing Credit must remain 
affordable for a period of at least 30 years, and longer in certain 
States.
    The Federal statute generally requires all Housing Credit units to 
be rented to tenants with incomes at or below 60 percent of area median 
income (AMI), and that rents charged may not exceed 30 percent of the 
applicable median family income. However, a significant percentage of 
Housing Credit units are rented and affordable to tenants with 
considerably lower incomes. According to recent HUD data on Housing 
Credit resident demographics, 53 percent of all households living in 
Housing Credit apartments are extremely low-income, meaning they earn 
30 percent of AMI or less; and another 31 percent of households are 
classified as very low-income (earning less than 50 percent of AMI). 
This deep targeting is in large part due to the requirements in Federal 
law that creates a preference for developments that commit to deeper 
income targeting; and in many cases would not be possible but for 
Federal, State, or local rental subsidies that well compliment the 
Housing Credit program.
    The success of the Housing Credit program can be measured not only 
by the number of units of affordable housing it has produced, but also 
by the financial strength of the properties developed. According to 
periodic analysis by the national accounting firm CohnReznick, the 
cumulative rate of foreclosure on Housing Credit properties is lower 
than any other real estate asset class, well below 1 percent. This is a 
tribute to the quality of underwriting at the original financing as 
well as the multiple eyes on the development by the State housing 
finance agencies, local governments, lenders, equity providers, and 
developers.

    Section 8

    The Housing Credit is best able to reach the poorest households 
when rental assistance is available, as the rents these families can 
afford to pay often cannot support the property's basic operating 
costs, let alone debt service. The Section 8 program provides vouchers 
directly to project owners known as project based vouchers, but also 
directly to renters known as tenant-based vouchers. Both types of 
vouchers are critically needed if we are going to ensure that the 
lowest income families have access to affordable housing. LISC is 
supportive of efforts to increase Federal rental assistance resources 
since only one out of four eligible households receive it, and since 
it's so critical for housing extremely low-income families, including 
for persons experiencing homelessness. \30\
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    HOME Investment Partnership Program and Housing Trust Fund

    The HOME Program is the only Federal block grant to State and local 
governments designed exclusively to create and preserve affordable 
housing for low-income households. The funding is flexible and may be 
used for a variety housing of activities that other sources may not 
cover, including preservation of rental housing, homebuyer assistance, 
rehabilitation of owner-occupied homes and tenant-based rental 
assistance. For rental housing, HOME funds often provide either the 
early support necessary to initiate new development or the critical 
gap-financing needed to complete developments. States and localities 
must provide at least a 25 percent match of their HOME funds from local 
funds. These entities typically leverage HOME program funds by 
generating more than $4 of other public and private funding for every 
HOME dollar. HUD's Housing Trust Fund further enhances HOME dollars by 
targeting additional resources to serve the lowest income families.

    Capital Magnet Fund

    The CMF provides competitive resources for CDFIs and nonprofit 
housing developers to finance affordable rental housing and home 
ownership projects and related economic development activities. It is 
administered by the CDFI Fund and by law, an organization must leverage 
its award with other sources of capital; the leveraged amount must be 
at least 10 times the amount of the award. This funding is typically 
utilized as gap sources in affordable rental housing projects. The CMF 
programs has awarded grants totaling nearly $1.1 billion to CDFIs and 
qualified nonprofit organizations and of reported projects, awardees 
have attracted nearly $13.3 billion in total leverage. Recipients have 
five years to complete projects after receiving an award. As of 
September 30, 2022, awardees reported supporting 37,650 affordable 
rental housing units, 5,500 affordable home ownership units, and 
several community service facility projects, such as health care and 
other community facilities that are located near affordable housing. 
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    Federal Home Loan Bank Affordable Housing Program

    The Federal Home Loan Banks are required to provide 10 percent of 
their net income for the Affordable Housing Program (AHP), which can 
support both affordable rental housing and home ownership. AHP is an 
important gap financing source for many Housing Credit projects. In 
addition, it can be utilized to support the purchase or rehabilitation 
of a home, with at least one third of that amount set-aside for first-
time homebuyers.

    USDA Multifamily Housing

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Section 515 Rural 
Rental Housing Direct Loan Program has funded the creation of 533,000 
affordable rural rental housing units since inception and there are 
around 395,000 units of this housing remaining, which are located in 
over 87 percent of all U.S. counties. \32\ The program hasn't funded 
new construction in many years and current resources are utilized to 
help preserve these properties as affordable, which is vital due to the 
lack of other affordable housing options in many of these rural 
communities and since many residents are elderly or disabled. More than 
80 percent of Section 515 tenants receive Federal rental assistance to 
make the rent affordable, with almost two-thirds funded through USDA's 
Section 521 Rental Assistance program. Families living in these 
properties have an average household income of $14,941 and two-thirds 
are elderly or disabled. \33\
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Single Family Housing
    Home ownership is one of the primary ways that low- and moderate-
income families are able to build wealth and achieve financial 
stability. Increasing affordable home ownership is a key component in 
combatting historical policies that have precluded minorities and 
others from purchasing a home and widened the racial wealth gap. 
Unfortunately, we have very few Federal resources for both supply and 
demand side affordable home ownership assistance; but those that we 
have are critically important.

    HOME, CMF, and AHP

    As mentioned, HOME, AHP, and the Capital Magnet Fund can be 
utilized for affordable home ownership purposes, including purchase 
assistance, owner-occupied rehabilitation, and for development projects 
in the case of CMF.

    Housing Counseling

    Many would-be first-time homeowners, including low-income and 
minority families, need assistance when preparing to purchase a house. 
Housing counseling provides prospective buyers the financial education 
and counseling they need to purchase a home they can afford. Housing 
counseling is also an essential tool for supporting current homeowners 
who are experiencing financial distress. Research has shown that 
housing counseling helps households avoid foreclosure and counseled 
clients were almost three times more likely to receive a loan 
modification and were 70 percent less likely to re-default on a 
modified loan than were similar borrowers who were not counseled. \34\ 
To support both prospective and current homeowners, LISC supports full 
funding of HUD's Housing Counseling program. This program provides 
grants to HUD-approved housing counseling agencies and State housing 
finance agencies. This assistance is crucial in ensuring distressed 
families know their options for how to keep their homes.
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    USDA Rural Housing Service Single Family Programs

    The USDA's Rural Housing Service administers several single-family 
programs, which support affordable home ownership for low-income 
families in rural communities. These include the Section 502 Single 
Family Housing Direct Home Loan program and Section 523 Mutual Self-
Help Housing Technical Assistance program. The Section 502 Single 
Family Housing Direct Home Loan program is the only Federal home 
ownership program targeted to low-income and very low income rural 
families. Over 60 years, the program has helped more than 2.1 million 
families achieve home ownership and built over $40 billion in wealth.
    The Section 523 Self-Help Housing Technical Assistance program has 
helped more than 50,000 families achieve home ownership over the last 
50 years. Under the program, families work together in groups to build 
their homes and equity. Section 523 grants support the nonprofit 
developers providing training, supervision, and technical assistance to 
families. The program is targeted to low-income and very low-income 
families and over 50 percent of participants are minority households. 
The sweat equity gained by constructing a home, coupled with affordable 
mortgages through the Section 502 Direct Home Loan program, allows low-
income rural families to achieve home ownership and build wealth.
Community and Economic Development
    Investments in community resources help to spur broader economic 
growth. Federal investments often fill gaps in project financing and 
are at the core of funding that makes inclusive economic development 
initiatives possible on the local level. This cooperative effort 
joining Federal investment and locally led programs expands the entire 
economic ecosystem by revitalizing neighborhoods, attracting 
businesses, creating jobs, and broadening access to opportunity for all 
residents. LISC supports robust investments in programs across Federal 
agencies that promote comprehensive community development initiatives 
and facilitate cross-sector partnerships, a few of which are 
highlighted below.

    CDFI Fund

    The Treasury Department's CDFI Fund certifies institutions as CDFIs 
and administers several different programs to support their capacity 
and growth, including the CDFI Program, which invests in CDFIs to 
increase their lending capacity. These resources have been instrumental 
to the CDFI's sector's growth over time. In FY 2022, CDFI Program 
awardees originated over $53 billion in loans and investments, financed 
$12.7 billion for home improvement loans, $8.1 billion for business and 
microenterprise loans, $5 billion for residential real estate 
transactions, and $17.7 billion for consumer loans. LISC supports 
increased funding for the CDFI Fund since the CDFI Program and its 
other competitive award programs are greatly oversubscribed.

    New Markets Tax Credits

    The New Markets Tax Credit (NMTC) Program attracts investment 
capital to low-income neighborhoods that have been left behind by the 
traditional private marketplace. Under the program, investors receive a 
tax credit for making equity investments in certified Community 
Development Entities (CDEs), which in turn use the proceeds to make 
loans and investments in businesses, real estate projects, and 
community facilities located in underserved low-income communities. To 
date, $57.5 billion of NMTC equity has been invested in distressed 
rural and urban communities, supporting a wide variety of activities 
including small businesses, manufacturing facilities, for sale housing, 
charter schools, health care centers, childcare centers, and shopping 
centers and grocery stores, to name but a few.

    Community Reinvestment Act

    The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), enacted in 1977, requires 
banks to invest in the communities, including low-income communities, 
where they are conducting business. CRA has proven to be a critical, if 
not the most critical, resource available to facilitate the flow of 
private capital into underinvested communities. It has been successful 
not only for the communities and community residents that have 
benefited from these investments, but also for the banks--which have 
managed to find new and profitable investment opportunities that 
generally perform as well or better than other bank investments. While 
CRA promotes many types of bank investments in lower income 
communities, it has been particularly impactful with respect to 
promoting affordable housing and home ownership opportunities for lower 
income families.
    As successful as the CRA has been, its regulations had not been 
substantively updated since 1995--despite the fact that the banking 
industry has undergone significant changes in that period, most notably 
in the rise of interstate banking, internet banks, mergers of 
institutions, and mobile banking. However, in October of 2023, the bank 
examiners released finical regulations providing a much needed and 
welcome overhaul of the CRA examination procedures. The regulations 
were the result of significant public vetting over the last 6 years, 
and we believe reflect an appropriate balance between the needs of low 
income communities and the responsibilities of banks to demonstrate 
that they are meeting these needs while also fulfilling their safety 
and soundness requirements. The revised regulations also provide 
clarity and transparency to both banks and community development 
practitioners which we believe will result in a more functional and 
efficient community and economic development finance ecosystem.

    Capacity Building for Affordable Housing and Community Development 
Organizations

    HUD's Section 4 program strengthens the Nation's lower-income urban 
and rural communities by bolstering nonprofit community developers that 
build and invest in their neighborhoods. The program provides grants on 
a competitive basis to national intermediary community development 
organizations, which provide training, education, financial support, 
and development assistance to local community development corporations 
(CDCs). These funds are matched on a three-to-one basis, and then used 
to leverage additional private capital. Total aggregate leverage has 
consistently been in the range of $20 or more for each dollar of 
Section 4 funding.
    From 2018 to 2022, Section 4 funds have been deployed by 984 CDCs 
and other nonprofit developers, resulting in the creation or 
preservation of more than 42,000 homes and the attraction of over $10 
billion in investment to communities. The Section 4 program is the sole 
source of funding at HUD that provides financial support and 
development assistance to CDCs to support their housing and community 
revitalization efforts in all types of communities. LISC supports 
increased funding for the Section 4 program to provide additional 
capacity building support to CDCs serving urban, suburban, rural, and 
Native communities.
    LISC also supports dedicated programs at USDA, including the Rural 
Community Development Initiative and the Rural Partnership Program, 
that similarly focuses efforts on providing training and technical 
assistance to nonprofit CDCs serving the unique needs of rural 
communities.

    Community Development Block Grants

    The Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program is a critical 
source of community development funding that benefits low- to moderate-
income (LMI) communities. Established in 1974, the block grant program 
allows grantees to meet locally identified needs, which promote 
inclusive approaches to community and economic development.
    When disaster strikes communities, the Community Development Block 
Grant--Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR) program provides the resources 
needed to rebuild, expand resilience capabilities, and strengthen post-
disaster opportunities. Timely and well-targeted Federal assistance is 
critical to an inclusive recovery, particularly in underserved and 
rural communities. But the current funding mechanism is cumbersome and 
inefficient, delaying the delivery of much-needed investments for aid 
and recovery and leaving disaster-stricken communities stuck in 
administrative limbo.
Actions Needed From Congress
    We urge Congress to continue its commitment to supporting 
affordable housing and community development efforts by enacting 
critically needed legislation, most of which has bipartisan support, 
that would expand existing programs or else create new programs where 
there are gaps in the housing and community development financing 
ecosystem.
Support Production and Affordability of Rental Housing
    1. Enact the Affordable Housing Credit Improvement Act (S. 1557)

    This legislation, sponsored by Senators Cantwell and Young, 
includes about two dozen provisions to strengthen and improve the 
Housing Credit, and if enacted would result in the production of close 
to 2 million units of additional affordable housing over the next 
decade. It currently has the support of 30 Senators, split evenly among 
Democrats and Republicans. We have never seen an affordable housing 
production bill with such deep and widespread support in Congress, and 
this is by far the most important piece of legislation we can enact to 
help put a dent into our current housing crisis.

    2. Enact housing credit provisions in H.R. 2074

    In a notable recognition of urgency of the housing crisis, two 
Housing Credit provisions drawn largely from the AHCIA were included in 
the tax bill that passed the House in December: a provision to restore 
an increase to the allocation of credits that expired in 2021, and a 
provision that would make it easier to utilize the housing credit 
alongside private activity bonds. These two provisions would create an 
additional 200,000 units of affordable housing over the next decade and 
could help serve as a critical bridge while we wait for enactment of 
the AHCIA.

    3. Enact the Rural Housing Service Reform Act (S. 2790)

    LISC supports the bipartisan Rural Housing Service Reform Act led 
by Senators Smith and Rounds and supported by the majority of this 
Committee. This legislation would make long overdue updates to RHS 
programs, including allowing Section 521 Rental Assistance to continue 
at properties after the USDA mortgage matures. This will help owners 
leverage Housing Credits and debt to recapitalize these properties, 
while ensuring tenants continue to be stably housed. In addition, it 
permanently authorizes a delegated Section 502 Direct Loan Program for 
Native CDFIs, while updating USDA's home repair loan limits.

    4. Enact the Family Stability and Opportunity Vouchers Act (S. 
1257)

    LISC supports additional rental assistance to ensure that our 
Nation's lowest income families are provided the housing stability they 
deserve. Led by Senators Van Hollen and Young, this bill would fund new 
housing mobility vouchers to help allow families to live in areas of 
higher opportunity.
    LISC also thanks Senator Scott for his leadership on the ROAD to 
Housing Act. We particularly appreciate the need to expand the Rental 
Assistance Demonstration program as a means to helping modernize and 
preserve affordable housing units, provided there are appropriate 
tenant protections.
    We also applaud Senator Cortez Masto's incredible leadership on 
housing and community development issues, including most notably the 
Federal Home Loan Banks Mission Implementation Act, the PRICE Act (S. 
3264), and the HOME Reauthorization bill (S. 3793). This trio of bills 
would lead to a significant increase in the development and 
rehabilitation of affordable housing financed through the Federal home 
loan bank system, enhance and improve production of manufactured 
housing, and provide numerous reforms to HUD's HOME program. LISC 
strongly supports these legislative efforts.
    Lastly, we support expanded asset building opportunities for 
residents of HUD-assisted housing, including public housing and those 
living in Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance properties. 
Congress should authorize a pilot program to expand the successful 
Family Self-Sufficiency Program by allowing increases in tenant income 
to be deposited into an escrow account. This would expand the ability 
for tenants to save for their goals.
Support Home Ownership Opportunities
    1. Enact the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act (S. 657)

    LISC, along with over three dozen other national organizations and 
trade associations focused on housing and community revitalization, is 
calling for the enactment of the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act. 
This bipartisan legislation, introduced by Senators Cardin and Young, 
currently has 8 additional cosponsors, with equal numbers of Democrats 
and Republicans.
    Neighborhood Homes is designed to attract private capital to 
support investments in single family homes in distressed urban and 
rural communities--where the costs of developing and rehabilitating 
homes exceed the value of the home. Modelled after the successful Low 
Income Housing Tax Credit, Neighborhood Homes would provide the 
developer or investor with a tax credit to cover this ``value gap'', 
for both for sale housing and for owner occupied rehabs.
    Neighborhoods characterized by some combination of high poverty, 
low median family income and low home values would be eligible for 
investments. Neighborhood Homes Credit agencies would also have 
additional flexibility to serve rural communities, as well as 
communities impacted by natural disasters, that may not otherwise have 
qualified based on the initial Neighborhood Homes requirements.
    As noted above, Neighborhood Homes would fill the gap between the 
cost of construction and the value of the property, with the private 
market bearing construction and marketing risks--much as is done with 
the Housing Credit. However, the Housing Credit, which was designed to 
create affordable rental housing for low- and very-low-income families, 
cannot readily be utilized to support home ownership housing. And while 
tax exempt private activity bonds and mortgage credit certificates 
(MCCs) do support homebuyers by reducing mortgage interest costs, these 
incentives do not address supply-side development cost gaps.
    The Neighborhood Homes Tax Credit would fill a missing void in our 
affordable housing tax financing ecosystem, providing an effective and 
necessary tool for bringing starter homes online, while also 
revitalizing communities and providing affordable home ownership 
opportunities for first time and minority homebuyers. Over the next 10 
years, it is projected that Neighborhood Homes will result in the 
development or substantial rehabilitation of 500,000 homes.

    2. Enact the Whole Home Repairs Act (S. 3871)

    LISC supports Senator Fetterman and Lummis' Whole-Home Repairs Act. 
This bill is modeled off a successful Pennsylvania program, which 
created a one stop shop to help with home repairs and weatherization 
for underserved seniors and families.

    3. Enact the Stop Predatory Investment Act (S. 2224)

    We support the Stop Predatory Investment Act, led by Senator Brown, 
which would restrict tax breaks for large investors purchasing single 
family homes to convert to rentals.

    4. Enact the HELPER Act (S. 1514)

    We support Senators Brown, Rubio, and Ossoff's Homes for Every 
Local Protector Educator and Responder Act (HELPER), which would create 
a new Federal Housing Administration first-time homebuyer program for 
teachers, law enforcement, and first responders.

    5. Enact the LIFT Act (S. 2148)

    LISC supports the LIFT Act, led by Senator Warner, which would 
establish a program at HUD, working with Treasury, to provide low 
fixed-rate 20 year mortgages for first-time, first-generation 
homebuyers. This would allow borrowers to build equity at twice the 
rate of a conventional 30 year mortgage.

    6. Enact the Homebuyers Privacy Protection Act (S. 3502)

    We support Senators Reed and Hagerty's bipartisan Homebuyers 
Privacy Protection Act, since it would prohibit a credit reporting 
agency from selling information when a consumer applies for a 
residential mortgage.
Support Investments in CDFIs and Low-Income Communities
    1. Enact legislation supporting CDFIs

    LISC applauds Senators Warner and Crapo for cofounding the Senate 
CDFI Caucus--which has grown to now include 24 Senators, 12 from each 
side of the aisle, including 10 Members of the Banking Committee. This 
has been a great resource for furthering conversations about CDFIs, and 
has also resulted in the introduction of several key pieces of 
legislation, including:

    Scaling Community Lenders Act (S. 1442). Introduced by 
        Senators Warner and Crapo, this legislation would expand and 
        fund a secondary market loan-purchase program for loans issued 
        by CDFIs.

    CDFI Bond Guarantee Program Improvement Act (S. 869). 
        Introduced by Senators Smith and Rounds, this legislation would 
        reauthorize the program for 4 years, reduce the minimum 
        issuance amount from $100 million to $25 million, and eliminate 
        the cap on the annual number of guarantees. LISC is a 
        participant in BGP and knows how important long-term capital is 
        to CDFI lending efforts. These reforms will allow smaller CDFIs 
        to be able to access the program and make it better able to 
        assist smaller project sizes.

    Community Development Investment Tax Credit (S. 2963). LISC 
        supports this legislation, led by Senator Warner and Wicker, 
        which would provide an incentive for private-sector investments 
        in CDFIs. This bill would give a tax credit to investors that 
        make equity or equity-equivalent investments in CDFIs or that 
        provide them with long-term patient capital, investments the 
        CDFIs then use for their financing activities in low-income 
        communities. A CDFI tax credit would provide additional 
        resources for CDFIs and help overcome funding limitations in 
        the CDFI Fund's oversubscribed programs.

    2. Enact the New Markets Tax Credit Extension Act of 2023 (S. 234)

    NMTCs are predominantly used to support commercial revitalization, 
businesses and community facilities in lower income communities, and 
are one of the most effective of all Federal economic and redevelopment 
programs--spurring over $120 billion of total investments in distressed 
communities and creating over 1 million jobs to date. LISC has deployed 
over $1 billion in NMTC financing since the program's inception, and we 
have seen first-hand how our investments in businesses, commercial real 
estate and community facilities have complemented our housing work and 
improved the lives of residents in our communities.
    Though NMTCs cannot be used to support residential rental 
properties, some NMTC investments have nonetheless supported housing 
activities--principally through investments in mixed-use commercial 
redevelopment projects that include on site housing, and to a lesser 
extent, home ownership activities. According to the Treasury 
Department, NMTCs have helped to finance over 18,000 affordable homes.
    The NMTC Program is set to expire in 2025. The Senate should pass 
S. 234, sponsored by Senators Cardin and Daines, which would 
permanently authorize the NMTC Program at $5 billion per year, and an 
inflationary adjustment, and allow the credit to be used to offset the 
Alternative Minimum Tax.

    3. Enact the Reforming Disaster Recovery Act (S. 1686)

    LISC supports the bipartisan Reforming Disaster Recovery Act since 
we've seen firsthand how it takes too long for CDBG-Disaster Recovery 
resources to reach communities. This bill would formally authorize 
CDBG-DR, leading to quicker delivery of resources, while streamlining 
administration of the program.
Conclusion
    There can be little doubt we are currently in an affordable housing 
crisis. Rents have been rapidly climbing, supply has been tightening, 
costs of construction have been increasing, and we have underproduced 
roughly 3.8 million homes. On the single family side, home prices have 
cooled of late but still remain historically high, and elevated 
interest rates make it even more difficult for first time homebuyers to 
purchase a home. And sadly, home ownership disparities between racial 
and ethnic groups stubbornly persist, with little gains made over the 
past three decades. We face similar struggles at financing projects in 
our distressed urban and rural communities, despite the best efforts of 
the Government to support critical community and economic development 
initiatives--including its support of the CDFI Fund.
    The good news is that solutions are out there, and they have wide 
bipartisan support in Congress. Restoring the lapsed 12.5 percent 
increase to the formula allocation for the 9 percent housing credits 
and passing the Affordable Housing Credit Improvement Act will create 
close to 2 million additional affordable rental homes over the next 
decade than would otherwise be built, while also supporting nearly 3 
million jobs and bringing in $120 billion in additional tax revenue.
    Enacting the Neighborhood Homes Investment Act will create 500,000 
new starter homes, providing home ownership opportunities for first 
time and minority homebuyers while simultaneously repopulating and 
revitalizing under-resourced rural and urban communities. Enacting the 
RHS Reform Act will help preserve rural affordable rental housing and 
expand home ownership opportunities for Native communities. And 
permanently extending the NMTC program will ensure that hundreds of 
billions more of private capital will be invested in our distressed 
rural and urban communities over the coming decade.
    I thank you again for this opportunity to testify. I hope that the 
conversations we have today will bring us closer to enacting these and 
the other critical housing and community development bills addressed in 
this testimony and put us on a path to ensuring that all families in 
this country will be able to enjoy the health, well-being and financial 
security that an affordable home in a livable community provides.
                   PREPARED STATEMENT OF E.J. ANTONI
   Research Fellow, Public Finance Economist, The Heritage Foundation
                             March 12, 2024

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                   PREPARED STATEMENT OF PEGGY BAILEY
  Vice President of Housing and Income Security, Center on Budget and 
                           Policy Priorities
                             March 12, 2024

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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARNER
                       FROM MATT JOSEPHS

Q.1. CDFIs finance a variety of activity in distressed and 
underserved communities, which includes a successful track 
record financing affordable housing. According to CDFI Fund 
reporting, since 2010, CDFI Program award recipients have 
financed the development of more than 425,000 units of 
affordable housing. This equates to more than $60 billion in 
home and residential real estate lending.
    I, with Senator Crapo, introduced the Scaling Community 
Lenders Act (S. 1442) to jumpstart a secondary market for CDFI 
loans. Creating a secondary market for CDFI loans allows CDFIs 
to recapitalize and continue their financing activities, 
including affordable housing for low-to-moderate income 
families.
    Can you tell me how secondary market access would help your 
CDFI's capacity to finance affordable housing activity and how 
it might fill gaps in your capital stack?

A.1. The Scaling Community Lenders Act would authorize new 
resources to activate and fund the long-dormant Section 113 of 
the Riegle Act of 1994--the CDFI liquidity enhancement 
program--allowing the CDFI Fund to support CDFI secondary 
market access. Research has shown that CDFIs loans are high 
performing, although in most cases they are nontraditional and 
do not meet the underwriting and collateralization standards 
required by conventional banks. As a result, there is not a 
vibrant secondary market where CDFIs can sell these loans to 
investors.
    This legislation will kickstart a CDFI secondary market so 
CDFIs have access to loan purchasers to obtain the capital 
needed to finance additional affordable housing and community 
and economic development activities for underserved people and 
communities. A stable source of liquidity is even more 
necessary in a high interest rate environment, since lenders 
can become more liquid without taking on significant debt.
    As noted in a LISC white paper titled ``Securitization for 
Social Innovation'', ``the CDFI sector can collectively unlock 
more liquidity than is currently available by utilizing 
commercial asset-backed structures to trade CDFI assets for 
cash. Such a secondary market would increase the amount of 
institutional capital flowing to CDFIs while simultaneously 
increasing the investment capacity of CDFIs beyond the current 
limits of their balance sheets. Moreover, recent advancements 
in accessing the capital markets like note and bond issuances 
are typically feasible only for larger CDFIs with sizable real 
estate-backed portfolios; this approach of purchasing assets 
would be able to include CDFIs regardless of their size, 
sophistication, or asset class focus.''

Q.2. Home ownership is the primary way many families build 
wealth and achieve economic stability. Yet, too many families, 
particularly families of color, have been unable to take 
advantage of this opportunity, leaving them on the wrong side 
of an ever-widening wealth gap. Last year, I was joined by 
Senators Van Hollen, Warnock, Kaine, and Ossoff in introducing 
the LIFT Homebuyers Act (S. 2295) that would provide low-income 
first-time, first-generation homebuyers with a wealth-building 
mortgage. By offering new homeowners a 20-year mortgage for 
roughly the same monthly payment as a traditional 30-year loan, 
LIFT will allow individuals traditionally underrepresented in 
the housing market to grow equity twice as fast.
    Could you each describe the importance of home ownership to 
building wealth, as well as economic security, in distressed 
and underserved communities?

A.2. Our Nation needs to enact policies that increase 
opportunities for all Americans to achieve affordable and 
sustainable home ownership. Home ownership is one of the 
primary ways that low- and moderate-income families are able to 
build wealth and achieve financial stability. Increasing 
affordable home ownership is a key component in combatting 
historical policies that have precluded minorities and others 
from purchasing a home and widened the racial wealth gap.
    Home ownership disparities between racial and ethnic groups 
stubbornly persist. In the second quarter of 2022, the home 
ownership rate for White households was 75 percent compared to 
45 percent for Black households, 48 percent for Hispanic 
households, and 57 percent for non-Hispanic households of any 
other race. \1\ These gaps in home ownership rates have changed 
little over the last three decades. In fact, the Black-White 
gap in home ownership rates was the same in 2020 as it was in 
1970, just 2 years after the passage of the Fair Housing Act of 
1968, which sought to end racial discrimination in the housing 
market. \2\ These disparities limit the ability of families of 
color to achieve their home ownership goals and limits asset 
building opportunities, contributing to our Nation's racial 
wealth gap.
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    This is why LISC supports legislative efforts to increase 
affordable home ownership opportunities for first time 
homebuyers and underserved families, including Senator Warner's 
LIFT Act.
    We also support the development of new starter homes in 
traditionally underserved communities, as the lack of supply of 
affordable homes is also a significant barrier to home 
ownership. Right now, the single family housing affordability 
gap is the highest it's been in 30 years. The Neighborhood 
Homes Investment Act would support the development or 
rehabilitation of 500,000 homes in the next decade, principally 
in distressed communities. Close to two-thirds or NHIA eligible 
communities are communities of color, which should not only 
help revitalize these communities, but also provide home 
ownership opportunities to first time, first generation and 
minority homebuyers.

Q.3. In terms of assessing impediments to home ownership for 
low- and moderate-income homebuyers, are downpayments and 
closing costs the biggest obstacles? Should policymakers 
prioritize assistance and incentives that facilitate innovative 
solutions in these areas?

A.3. Recent research shows closing costs are a significant 
obstacle to home ownership for first-time and low-income first-
time homebuyers, including Black and Hispanic borrowers. In a 
Fannie Mae analysis of approximately 1.1 million home purchase 
loans acquired in 2020, they found that more than 14 percent of 
low-income first-time homebuyers had closing costs equal to or 
exceeding their downpayment. Dr. Antoni noted in his testimony 
that half of homebuyers today cannot meet closing costs without 
receiving a gift or loan from family of friends; which quite 
often isn't as readily available for lower income homebuyers. 
Reducing such costs would allow additional low-income and 
underserved families to achieve home ownership.
    Research by Freddie Mac indicated that, as of January of 
2021, there were 5.4 million Black people ages 45 and younger 
that were potentially mortgage ready (3.4 million) or near 
mortgage ready (2 million). For many of these families, their 
income and credit scores were sufficient enough for them to 
secure a home loan; but the lack of savings to cover 
downpayment and closing costs were insufficient. It's 
imperative that policymakers provide assistance to underserved 
families that are prime candidates for home ownership if they 
had access to upfront resources for downpayment and closing 
costs.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARNER
                       FROM PEGGY BAILEY

Q.1. Home ownership is the primary way many families build 
wealth and achieve economic stability. Yet, too many families, 
particularly families of color, have been unable to take 
advantage of this opportunity, leaving them on the wrong side 
of an ever-widening wealth gap. Last year, I was joined by 
Senators Van Hollen, Warnock, Kaine, and Ossoff in introducing 
the ``LIFT Homebuyers Act'' (S. 2295) that would provide low-
income first-time, first-generation homebuyers with a wealth-
building mortgage. By offering new homeowners a 20-year 
mortgage for roughly the same monthly payment as a traditional 
30-year loan, LIFT will allow individuals traditionally 
underrepresented in the housing market to grow equity twice as 
fast.
    Could you each describe the importance of home ownership to 
building wealth, as well as economic security, in distressed 
and underserved communities?

A.1. Home ownership plays an important role in helping families 
build economic mobility and has historically played a role in 
helping families build wealth. Helping people purchase homes 
and implementing policies that help families who own their 
homes stay when investment comes to communities and places are 
revitalized are critical to helping families realize the dream 
of home ownership and have that dream actually realize 
financial gains. We know the racial home ownership gap has 
closed over the last 4 years but it remains wide. Therefore, 
direct action will be needed to continue this progress.

Q.2. In terms of assessing impediments to home ownership for 
low- and moderate-income homebuyers, are downpayments and 
closing costs the biggest obstacles? Should policymakers 
prioritize assistance and incentives that facilitate innovative 
solutions in these areas?

A.2. Downpayment and closing costs are definitely obstacles to 
home ownership and when you add credit building and banking 
history are among the biggest hurdles people face when 
purchasing a home. Yes, policymakers should facilitate 
innovative solutions to helping families afford downpayments, 
which includes helping renters (including renters receiving 
assistance) save money and access services like financial 
coaching, helping families pay or finance closing costs, and 
improve people's--especially people of color--ability to build 
credit, access banking, and have legal assistance to protect 
against racism and discrimination by financial institutions. 
Another way to help would be to help PHAs administer home 
ownership voucher options that exist within the Housing Choice 
Voucher program. PHAs could use technical assistance and 
additional administrative funding to help them start up 
programs and better assist participants, including by 
connecting them to other resources to help pay for downpayments 
and closing costs to make this program more effective.

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