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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-510

              COMBATING THE NETWORKS OF ILLICIT FINANCE 
                            AND TERRORISM

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                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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        EXAMINING HOW TO COMBAT THE NETWORKS OF ILLICIT FINANCE 
                               AND TERRORISM

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                            OCTOBER 26, 2023

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           COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                     SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chairman

JACK REED, Rhode Island              TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                J.D. VANCE, Ohio
RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia          KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
LAPHONZA R. BUTLER, California       STEVE DAINES, Montana

                     Laura Swanson, Staff Director

               Lila Nieves-Lee, Republican Staff Director

                       Elisha Tuku, Chief Counsel

                  Amber Beck, Republican Chief Counsel

                      Cameron Ricker, Chief Clerk

                      Shelvin Simmons, IT Director

                       Pat Lally, Assistant Clerk


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                       THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2023

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Opening statement of Chair Brown.................................     1
        Prepared statement.......................................    40

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
    Senator Britt................................................     3

                               WITNESSES

Matthew Levitt, Director, Reinhard Program on Counterterrorism 
  and Intelligence, Fromer-Wexler Senior Fellow, The Washington 
  Institute for Near East Policy.................................     6
    Prepared statement...........................................    42
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Warren...........................................    69
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................    70
        Senator Rounds...........................................    71
Danielle Pletka, Distinguished Senior Fellow in Foreign and 
  Defense Policy Studies, AEI....................................     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    59
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................    71
        Senator Rounds...........................................    72
Shlomit Wagman, Affiliated Scholar and Former Chair, Harvard 
  Kennedy School, Israel Money Laundering and Terror Financing 
  Prohibition
  Authority......................................................     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    61
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................    73
        Senator Rounds...........................................    75

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Letter submitted by Senator Cynthia M. Lummis and Representative 
  French Hill....................................................    76
Statement submitted by Justice for 9/11..........................    79
Letter submitted by Blockchain Innovation Project................    80

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        COMBATING THE NETWORKS OF ILLICIT FINANCE AND TERRORISM

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                       THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2023

                                       U.S. Senate,
          Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met at 10 a.m., in room SD-538, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Sherrod Brown, Chair of the 
Committee, presiding.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN

    Chair Brown. The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and 
Urban Affairs will come to order. Welcome our new, perhaps 
permanent now, Ranking Member, but at least in her first year 
on the Committee she is Ranking Member today. Nice to see you, 
Senator Britt.
    Senator Britt. Thank you. Nice to see you.
    Chair Brown. Earlier this month, the world watched in 
horror as Hamas committed brutal acts of terrorism against the 
people of Israel. Hamas murdered innocent women and men and 
children. They attacked teenagers at a music festival. They 
took hostages--families, kids. All of us are horrified. In the 
days and weeks that follow, the United States has taken strong, 
swift actions to support Israel as they defend their country 
against terrorism and to aid civilians in Gaza. Now it is vital 
to our national security that we provide critical assistance to 
Israel, including robust military, economic, and humanitarian 
aid desperately needed for those harmed by Hamas' terrorism.
    We must stand with both Ukraine and Israel as they fight 
back against two of the world's biggest threats: Putin and 
Iranian-backed terrorists like Hamas. This is not a time to 
play politics. We must stand united with our allies, and we 
must defend American interests. We need to confirm key national 
security nominees who play a critical role in working with 
their Israeli partners. We have had too many delays already. 
Right now, politics holds up several key positions: the 
Ambassador to Israel and at least 12--12--key military 
personnel that directly impact that part of the world, 
preventing important work in the Middle East. It is why people 
think Washington does not work. Political grandstanding, 
especially as we have seen in the House, but way more than 
that, is hurting America's ability to effectively protect our 
interests at home and abroad, keeping talented Ambassadors and 
career military personnel on the sidelines.
    On this Committee, as the Ranking Member knows, Senator 
Kennedy knows, Senator Tester knows, we have a long history of 
keeping politics out and working together to address threats 
from Russia, North Korea, and China and Iran. In the aftermath 
of October 7th, we are again confronting a challenge to the 
civilized world. Our humanity compels us to combat terrorism 
and to hold State sponsors of terrorism, like Iran, 
accountable. We must be clear. We must speak with one voice. 
There is no justification for terrorism, none, ever.
    On this Committee, we have a unique role to play, working 
to understand the financing behind Hamas' attacks so we can 
work to cutoff funding for terrorism at its source and work to 
prevent future attacks. Iran has an alarming history of 
supporting terrorist proxies engaged in unspeakable atrocities. 
It is clear they provide significant funding for the military 
wing of Hamas. They provide training. They provide 
capabilities. We will assess what additional economic tools we 
need to stop State sponsors of terrorism, including Iran, from 
supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and 
other terrorist proxies. We will examine multiple terrorist 
funding streams, including cryptocurrency. We will consider 
additional measures to stop the flow of these funds.
    In response to the brutal and horrific attacks, last week, 
the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control 
imposed additional sanctions on key Hamas terrorist group 
members, operatives, and financial facilitators located in Gaza 
and elsewhere, including Sudan and Turkey and Qatar and 
Algeria. This action specifically targeted those managing 
assets within a secret Hamas investment portfolio, a Qatar-
based financial facilitator with close ties to the Iranian 
regime, a key Hamas commander, and a Gaza-based virtual 
currency exchange and its operator.
    That is not enough. The Administration must take additional 
steps to impose sanctions, and dedicate resources toward a 
multilateral effort to coordinate with allies to track and to 
freeze and to seize any Hamas-related assets, and take steps 
necessary to deny Hamas terrorists the ability to raise funds. 
We need to not only identify the bad actors, but identify their 
money pipelines so we can shut off their funding. We must 
undertake a more robust approach to identifying and preventing 
transactions that take place not only through financial 
institutions, but also through trade-based money laundering, 
cryptocurrency transactions, and other channels designed to 
avoid detection.
    On this Committee, we have raised the alarm about crypto 
and its role in illicit finance, including the use of crypto to 
fund terrorists and enable rogue Nations financing them. Crypto 
platforms too often do not use the same commonsense protections 
that keep illicit money out of the traditional banking system, 
safeguards like knowing their customers or suspicious 
transaction reporting. Some crypto services and tokens even 
help users keep their transactions anonymous, and when law 
enforcement attempts to trace or block crypto funds, it becomes 
a game of Whack-a-Mole. They stop one transaction, and 
criminals move on to another platform with another alias again 
and again and again. Terrorists know they can use crypto in 
ways they could never use dollars. It is why President Trump's 
Justice Department warned back in 2020 that terrorists groups, 
including ISIS, al Qaeda, and the military arm of Hamas, were 
raising funds using cryptocurrency. Not surprisingly, after the 
attack it was reported that Hamas had raised millions of 
dollars in crypto to fund their operations. We need to crack 
down on the use of crypto to fund terrorism and evade 
sanctions.
    Last week, Senator Warren and I, along with more than a 
hundred of our colleagues of both parties, wrote to the 
Administration to voice concern about these issues. I am glad 
that Members of this Committee, including Senator Reed and 
Senator Warner, have put forth bipartisan plans for closing 
gaps around digital assets in our illicit finance rules. These 
are important steps forward. I welcome more ideas from anybody 
on this Committee and anybody at the witness table and anybody 
in the audience. We will work together on this Committee in a 
bipartisan way to make sure terrorists and bad actors cannot 
exploit crypto. This Committee and the Senate have a bipartisan 
history of combating the ways in which Iran threatens the 
region, not just nuclear weapons development, but also its 
support for terrorism.
    There has been a steady drumbeat recognizing the need for 
the United States and our allies to maintain and ramp up 
sanctions on Iran's harmful and destabilizing activities. The 
Senate voted overwhelmingly to support the Countering America's 
Adversaries Through Sanctions Act to impose sanctions on Iran 
and North Korea and Russia. We passed the Hezbollah 
International Financing Prevention Amendments Act, which 
imposed sanctions on Russia, Iran, or any other foreign 
Government supporting Hezbollah. And do not forget, this 
Committee acted together to tighten the rules around anonymous 
shell companies, which too often operate here in the U.S. and 
which fund criminal syndicates and terrorists alike. We 
strengthened our money laundering rules and our sanctions tools 
in a bipartisan way. We will do it again. We need a 
comprehensive approach to shutting off Iran's funding sources, 
not just the $6 billion, but the many more billions of dollars 
Iran uses to continue its destabilizing activities around the 
world.
    Now is the time to act. I look forward to working with 
colleagues on this Committee to stem terrorist financing, to 
address the problems posed by crypto, and to further strengthen 
sanctions. Ranking Member Britt.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR KATIE BOYD BRITT

    Senator Britt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On behalf of 
Ranking Member Scott and my fellow Republican colleagues, we 
would like to welcome Senator Butler as the newest Member of 
this Committee.
    On October 7th--it is a date that will forever live in 
infamy--it has been nearly 3 weeks since Hamas terrorists 
crossed into Israel to attack our great ally and our friend. 
Make no mistake, this was an act of pure evil. I just returned 
from a trip from Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Egypt just this past 
weekend. I traveled with a bipartisan group of colleagues to 
send a message loud and clear to the world that the United 
States of America stands with Israel.
    We saw firsthand what was truly unimaginable. These 
barbaric terrorists wore GoPro cameras as they committed these 
atrocities, so you can watch as babies were decapitated, 
children shot to death in front of their parents, parents 
slaughtered in front of their children, young women raped, 
entire families burned to death, daughters and sons, sisters 
and brothers kidnapped and taken into Gaza as hostages and 
human shields. Over 1,400 innocent people were murdered in 
Israel that day, and more than 200 were taken hostage. The 
State Department reports that at least 10 Americans remain as 
hostages and that at least 33 U.S. citizens were killed on 
October 7th. As we sit here, we know who committed these acts 
of evil, these acts of terror--Hamas--and we know who funds 
them and trains them. That is the Iranian regime.
    That brings me to why we are here today. This Committee has 
jurisdiction over our Nation's economic national security 
tools, including sanctions. We must use every tool at our 
disposal to ensure that those who carried out these attacks and 
those who financially supported them will never be able to do 
that again. This Committee is also responsible for providing 
oversight to ensure that every Administration enforces the laws 
that safeguard our national security and the security of our 
allies. That includes holding the Administration accountable 
when it chooses to waive or neglect those tools. That is why I 
would like to echo Ranking Member Scott's request that Treasury 
Secretary Yellen testify before this Committee as soon as 
possible.
    There is no question that Iran is complicit in supporting 
Hamas. Remember, evil cannot exist if the good are unafraid. 
Iran is the world's leading State sponsor of terrorism, 
providing hundreds of millions of dollars to support 
organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as military 
training, weapons, and munitions. Despite decades of Iranian 
support for similar atrocities, including those that have 
killed Americans, the Biden administration has opted to 
continue the failed policies of appeasement that began during 
the Obama administration.
    We all know that money is fungible. Despite the 
Administration's claim that when you release $6 billion to 
Iran, that frees up an equivalent of $6 billion in other funds 
to be dedicated somewhere else, such as supporting proxy 
terrorists in Gaza. The Administration should permanently 
restrict these funds, but since they were recklessly willing to 
release them in the first place, I urge all of my colleagues 
here today to support Ranking Member Scott's Revoke Iranian 
Funding Act, of which I am an original cosponsor, and this 
would take care of it.
    The Administration took actions last week to sanction a 
number of Hamas operatives and financial facilitators, but it 
was too little, too late for what happened on October 7th. How 
long has the Administration known about these financers of 
terror and yet failed to act? These are answers that we need 
from Secretary Yellen. The Executive branch largely has the 
tools it needs to sanction State sponsors of terrorism. This 
Administration needs to actually use those tools that are in 
their toolbox and enforce them. We need to return to a Maximum 
Pressure posture toward Iran, imposing bone-crushing, 
comprehensive sanctions that squeeze Iran financially dry.
    I also want to address one more important topic about this 
issue here at home, in a literal sense. On college campuses and 
in cities across the country, including this week in our 
Nation's Capital City and even in the halls of Congress, we 
have seen anti-Semitic protests justifying and even glorifying 
the actions of Hamas. This is spreading propaganda, and it is 
absolutely unacceptable. I never thought that in the United 
States of America, in this time, we would struggle to just call 
evil, evil. The actions of Hamas should not be applauded, 
celebrated, or praised by any American. They are not only 
contrary to the core values of our Nation, but to every fiber 
in our being.
    Remember, the State of Israel was created following the 
Holocaust so that Jewish people would never have to hide again, 
but yet that is what we are seeing happen today. And as 
Americans, we have pledged since World War II, never again. 
Since October 7th, that promise has been under attack, both in 
Israel and here at home. We have a moral obligation to fulfill 
our promise and that under our watch, never again means never 
again.
    And I will wrap up by saying I have sat in rooms with 
families whose loved ones are being held hostage twice, both 
here in the United States and when I was in Israel just a few 
days ago. You see pictures like this of precious Abigail, 3 
years old, that Hamas is using as a human shield, who, when you 
learn her story and the story of the remaining hostages, it 
will tear your heart out. We must do more. This Committee has 
the power to help ensure this never happens again. This 
Committee has the power to prove that America still knows good 
from evil.
    I look forward to hearing from today's witnesses about 
solutions, ways that we can work together that will allow the 
United States to stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel, 
projecting unwavering American strength to deter more hostile 
aggression, and hold accountable both those who carried out 
these terrorist attacks and those who supported them. Thank 
you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Britt. In spite of 
challenges, we will continue to do bipartisan work in this 
Committee.
    I will introduce today's witnesses. Dr. Matthew Levitt is 
the Director of the Reinhard Program on Counterterrorism and 
Intelligence. He is a Fromer-Wexler Senior Fellow at the 
Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He has authored 
numerous publications on terrorism and illicit finance. 
Welcome, Dr. Levitt.
    Ms. Danielle Pletka is a Distinguished Senior Fellow in 
Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at AEI, previously a staff 
member for Middle East and Southeast Asia for the
    Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. Welcome back to the 
Senate, Ms. Pletka.
    And Dr. Shlomit Wagman is an Affiliated Scholar at the 
Harvard Kennedy School, a former Chair at the Israel Money 
Laundering and Terror Financing Prohibition Authority. She has 
extensive experience and expertise in financial regulation, 
digital assets, money laundering, and terrorism financing. 
Thank you for making the trip to testify here.
    Dr. Levitt, you can begin.

  STATEMENT OF MATTHEW LEVITT, DIRECTOR, REINHARD PROGRAM ON 
COUNTERTERRORISM AND INTELLIGENCE, FROMER-WEXLER SENIOR FELLOW, 
         THE WASHINGTON INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY

    Mr. Levitt. Chairman Brown, Ranking Member Britt, 
distinguished Members of the Committee, thank you for the honor 
and opportunity to testify before you today. The bipartisanship 
I see on this issue is a welcome breath of fresh air.
    I think we need to recognize that the attack on October 7th 
was one of the worst acts of international terrorism by any 
measure, including if only by measuring the number of American 
victims that were targeted. As we think about how Hamas is 
financed, we need to understand a few things. There will be a 
tendency to try and figure out right now how this attack was 
financed. There will be time for that, but I think we need to 
take a step back. This attack was financed over decades. Hamas 
has been able to raise funds through multiple means over a long 
period of time. That is the underlying issue here, not just the 
money that came in for this particular attack.
    There have been constants and there have been developments 
in Hamas' financing over the decades. The constant is Iran, 
full stop. Iran has funded Hamas since it was founded in late 
1987, generally a continual uptick in funding. Even when Hamas 
and Iran broke over Hamas' refusal to back the Assad regime in 
Syria, the funding from Iran did not completely stop. They cut 
back some of their funding for the political activities, but 
the funding for the military activities did not stop at all, 
and pretty soon after, it picked up in full measure.
    One of the things that is a development, however, is that 
in 2007, Hamas took over the Gaza Strip by force of arms, force 
of arms, it should be noted, not against the Israelis, who had 
already withdrawn, but against fellow Palestinians. When they 
did that, they created a problem that we just saw and 
experienced with the Islamic State. What happens when a 
terrorist group controls territory? You are able to tax. You 
are able to extort. You are able to racketeer. You are able to 
control borders. You are able to control customs, and you raise 
a tremendous amount of money.
    So recently, Hamas' single largest source of income has 
been controlled territory, probably at least 2 or 3 times as 
much money as they get from the Iran, and the U.S. Government 
says that that is at least $70 to $100 million a year from 
Iran. It is probably somewhere between $300 million and $450 
million that they have been able to raise through control of 
territory. If the Israelis succeed in dislodging Hamas from 
their governance and military infrastructure project in Gaza, 
that will be the single most significant way to deny them 
funds, but it will also remove from Hamas their largest 
expenses. They will not have to pay teachers' salaries and 
collect garbage, so they will need less money to continue 
terrorism, as we saw with the Islamic State. We are not going 
to destroy Hamas, we did not destroy Islamic State, but we can 
inflict territorial defeat on them, Hamas, as we did with the 
Islamic State.
    There are two other primary ways that Hamas has raised 
money over time. One is abuse of charity. At one point, the 
largest Muslim charity in the United States was a charity 
created by Hamas, The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and 
Development, in Richardson, Texas, outside Dallas, designated 
by Treasury. Later, several of its leaders were convicted on 
all counts for material support to Hamas.
    There was a period of time when this became less of an 
issue. It never stopped, but it was less of an issue. Now it is 
a bigger issue again, and just in the past few weeks, we see 
the Union of Good, an umbrella organization created by Hamas to 
oversee Hamas charities, designated by the U.S. Treasury years 
ago, active again soliciting funds. We see the revival of the 
Islamic Heritage Society, again, designated charity tied also 
to al Qaeda, based in Kuwait, raising money, millions of 
dollars for Hamas in the wake of the October 7th attack.
    We should expect to see more. In fact, after every conflict 
that Hamas has started, we have been an uptick in funding, 
including not only through crypto, and we should anticipate 
that that will be the case here, too. Crypto is an important 
way of raising funds through crowdfunding, but I think it is an 
even more important thing in terms of how they move money, 
which I will get to in a second. And finally, the Hamas Finance 
Committee and its investment committees. There have been three 
Treasury designations about that, as the Committee just noted a 
moment ago. There is a lot to talk about there, in particular, 
the role of Hamas ``politicians'' overseeing these funds.
    Finally, I will just say, we need to pay as much attention 
to how terrorist groups like Hamas transfer funds as we do to 
how they raise funds, and I am happy to talk about that, if 
there is interest, in the questions and answers. And we need to 
pay attention also not only to the funding, but the resourcing. 
Seventy to $100 million a year from Iran, that is cash, but 
there are also weapons. Look at all the weapons the Israelis 
confiscated--Kalashnikovs, RPGs, anti-tank guided missiles. How 
did those move? How did they get there? I am interested not 
only in the cash but in the resources. At the end of the day, 
we can do even better than we have done on this target, and I 
think one thing we are going to have to do is better balance 
great power competition and counterterrorism. They are not 
mutually exclusive. Thank you so much for your time today.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Dr. Levitt. Ms. Pletka, welcome.

 STATEMENT OF DANIELLE PLETKA, DISTINGUISHED SENIOR FELLOW IN 
            FOREIGN AND DEFENSE POLICY STUDIES, AEI

    Ms. Pletka. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, Senator 
Britt, Members of the Committee, I am honored to be here, and I 
am honored to be with these two witnesses.
    Let me underscore at the outset that the big money, the 
big, big money in this terror financing story comes from Iran, 
and specifically from its oil sales. But let's talk for a 
moment about the $6 billion in cash that the Biden 
administration transferred to Qatar from accounts in South 
Korea for Iran's use in September. That $6 billion was 
advertised as payment for the release of five hostages, but it 
was also widely understood to be the consideration paid for an 
understanding between the Biden administration and the Iranian 
regime about its conduct over the coming months, an 
understanding constructed, of course, to evade congressional 
review under the terms of the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act 
of 2015.
    The Biden administration has said that it will not allow 
the money to be used right now. Qatar has sent mixed signals 
about whether that is correct or not. Should Qatar defy the 
wishes of the U.S. Government and proceed with the disbursal to 
Iran, there are steps that you can take. First, it is important 
for Congress to ascertain whether the Government of Qatar has 
agreed to make Iran whole while it withholds that particular $6 
billion from South Korea. In that scenario, Qatar could simply 
hand over its own cash to Iran and then pay itself back later. 
Second, if Qatar is actually disbursing the cash from South 
Korea, focus on the banks. If it chooses to become a financier 
of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the U.S. Government has 
options under law, as do you.
    But let's talk about the really big money. Iran's total 
revenue from oil exports since 2021 is between $81 and $91 
billion. Iranian foreign exchange reserves have doubled, 
growing from $12.4 billion in 2020 to $21 billion in 2023. 
Since 2021, the estimated value of Tehran's additional oil 
sales, the difference between its realized revenue and what it 
would have earned had its exports remained at the Maximum 
Pressure level, was $26 to $29 billion. How did that happen? It 
is simple. The U.S. Government allowed it to happen. Iranian 
oil sales have skyrocketed in the last 2\1/2\ years. Why? It is 
one thing: enforcement.
    It is no secret that President Biden hoped to reenter the 
JCPOA. Simply, the White House or, more accurately, the 
Treasury Department, stopped imposing serious sanctions on 
Iranian oil exports. Who was buying it? Mostly the Chinese, 
although there are plenty of others that I have listed in my 
testimony.
    Now the cost to Iran of supporting its terror proxies is 
not cheap. In 2018, the Treasury Department pegged Iranian aid 
to Hezbollah at more than $700 million per annum. Hamas 
reportedly costs Iran about $100 million, but there are other 
estimates that suggest that it is up to $350 million a year. As 
Matt suggested, some of that is the cost of weaponry. 
Palestinian Islamic Jihad gets tens of millions.
    To give you a sense of what happens when Iran has less 
money at its disposal, during the height of the so-called 
Maximum Pressure campaign, transfers to Iran's terrorist 
proxies dropped dramatically with Hezbollah is complaining to, 
of all places, the Washington Post about furloughs, cut 
salaries, and necessary withdrawal from Syria, where they were 
fighting to support the Assad regime. Hezbollah was so strapped 
for money, it doubled down on the organ trafficking, which also 
helps it earn.
    Terrorist groups do have other sources of income. Hamas, as 
Matt said, earns substantial amounts from corruption, from 
taxes, from holding that territory of Gaza. But senior Hamas 
officials, who are located in both Gaza and Qatar, are worth 
billions. The head of Hamas is worth an estimated $4 billion. 
His predecessor is worth an estimated $2\1/2\. That is a lot of 
money.
    So I want to turn back for a second to Qatar because we do 
not talk enough about it. What role does it play in the Middle 
East? It enjoys positioning itself as an entrepot, just a 
middleman with no real favorites. That is, if I may use a term 
of art, garbage. Qatar's favorites are the Islamist extremists 
it promotes with its pet TV channel, Al Jazeera. Who lived in 
Qatar? The Taliban, al Qaeda, Hamas, ISIS leaders, all of them 
cheek by jowl with one of the U.S.' most important bases in the 
region, Al Udeid. Now is the moment Congress should be asking 
questions of Qatar.
    What else should you do? Expose how U.S. assistance to both 
the West Bank and Gaza is enabling the perpetuation of Hamas' 
rule. Expose how UNRWA, the recipient of almost $6 billion in 
U.S. assistance since 1950, has aided, nurtured, and fronted 
for Hamas. Ask why it is that Lebanon, a country ruled by 
Hezbollah, a beachhead of anti-Israel attacks at its northern 
border, has been able to skate without a State-sponsored 
designation. And if I may have about 20 more seconds to finish 
up. And most importantly, shut down the loopholes in sanctions 
enforcement that since 2021 have been permitted to facilitate 
Iran's accumulation of cash that funds and arms and trains 
Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and so many 
others. Specifically, use the language in existing legislation, 
like INKSNA--the Iran, North Korea Sanctions Act--to require 
that the Executive branch notify you of every instance in which 
it has credible information that there has been a sanctions 
violation, and justify to you its inaction in the case that it 
does not impose sanctions.
    Second, use the language of CAATSA, which the Chairman 
mentioned, to require every waiver of sanctions to be notified 
to Congress with 30 days' notice, and put in place expedited 
procedures for an up-or-down vote in both chambers on whether 
to approve or disapprove that waiver. Go after the big money 
funneled to the terrorists by Iran. Go after the oil sales. Go 
after the terrorist enablers. That is what fuels the savagery 
of October 7th. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. Dr. Wagman, welcome.

  STATEMENT OF SHLOMIT WAGMAN, AFFILIATED SCHOLAR AND FORMER 
  CHAIR, HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL, ISRAEL MONEY LAUNDERING AND 
             TERROR FINANCING PROHIBITION AUTHORITY

    Mr. Wagman. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman Brown, 
Senator Britt, and distinguished Committee Members. I am 
honored to be here today and discuss with you terrorism 
financing. But before getting into the professional aspects, I 
would like to share with you a personal story, the story of two 
kids from my children's school in Israel, the Green Village.
    Iftak and Yonathan, 8th and 11th graders from our school, 
spent the weekend of October 7th in the south of Israel getting 
ready for a peace festival organized by their father, Aviv in 
which they were supposed to send up to the sky dozens of kites 
to send a message to their neighbor, Palestinian, about peace 
and coexistence. On Saturday morning, instead of eating their 
pancakes, a group of terrorists broke into their house, placed 
all of them in their parents' bedroom, and slaughtered all of 
them together in their parents' bed. A family of five, three 
innocent children--two of them went to school with my 
children--were buried together last week.
    At the same time, another person, Romi Gonin, a 23-year-old 
student, a nephew of one of my colleagues at the Israeli 
fintech, Rapyd, was dancing in a music festival. That morning, 
the terrorists started to attack them. She got shot while 
escaping from the terrorists' bullets and kidnapped. There is a 
voice recording of hearing her saying that she was captured and 
that they are taking her. She is now being kept hostage in 
Gaza.
    The Katz family is one of 1,400 people who were brutally 
slaughtered, burned alive, beheaded, and raped while at their 
home or at the music festival. Romi is part of 2,200 people 
from 37 nationalities, including women, children, and elderly, 
that are held hostage by Hamas in Gaza. Those horrifying 
stories against civilians seems to be taken directly from 
ISIL's playbook, and those creeds actually appeared in booklets 
of guidance found on ground after the attack.
    And by talking about these attacks, I just want to take 
this opportunity to make it clear, especially in light of the 
conversations that are now being held over campuses in the 
U.S., including Harvard University, where I am located right 
now, that those people are not freedom fighters, full stop. 
Freedom fighters do not murder, brutally and in purpose, 
slaughter and rape, and all the other things, women, children, 
and elderly. Those are crucial terrorists who conducted 
horrible actions toward innocent civilians, and they are also 
taking very bad actions against their own people as well.
    So as Hamas adopted obviously ISIS' practices, we, the 
global community, should also treat them in a similar manner 
and impose the full package of financial sanctions over Hamas, 
as was done with respect to al Qaeda and ISIS. As we all know, 
terror organizations cannot exist without funding. Those 
activities cost a lot of money, and there are many counterparts 
that fund that. In order to efficiently combat terrorism, we 
need to cut their oxygen, their funding, exactly like the U.S. 
did after September 11 and with respect to ISIS.
    I was asked to focus in the discussion of my testimony 
today about the field that I am researching and writing about 
at Harvard and after leaving the Israeli Government and the 
FATF, about cryptocurrencies, and I will answer all your 
question on that respect and propose an action plan. But at the 
same time, I do want to highlight, let's do not lose sight and 
focus from the big picture.
    Crypto is currently a very small part of the puzzle. The 
major funding channels are, were, and remain State funding. 
Iran and others, those are the major players. Most of the funds 
are still being transferred by the traditional channels that we 
all know from the past--banks, money transmitter, payment 
system, Hawala money exchange, trade-based terrorism financing, 
charity, cash, shell companies, and crypto.
    The effort should be global and focus on imposing global 
sanctions on Hamas and their sponsors, as was the case with 
ISIS. We should ensure that we are doing the right designations 
and enforcing them, not only designation by certain countries 
like the U.S., the EU and others, but actually to create a 
global environment to make sure that all currency and all 
States are covered. We need to make sure that we have full 
transparency regarding the involvement of neighboring economies 
and additional measures.
    As I see that my time is about to end, I will save my 
additional comments to the Q&A session. But I do want to 
highlight that the fight against terrorism financing indeed is 
a complex and challenging one, but it is a fight that we must 
win. We must protect our citizens from the threat of terrorism, 
and we must do it by cutting off the flow of money in terrorism 
organizations. Let us find a way to ensure that those actions 
will not happen again, not in Israel, and also not in other 
countries in the world. Thank you so much.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Dr. Wagman. Before I begin 
questions, I would like to introduce the Senator from 
California, Senator Butler, for her first hearing on Housing, 
Banking, and Urban Affairs. Welcome. Glad you are here.
    Dr. Levitt, I will start with you. Given Iran's role in 
funding terrorist groups and the array of financing 
possibilities available to Hamas, two questions about that. 
What is the most effective terrorist financing measure to 
restrict funding for Hamas, and does the same apply to 
Hezbollah?
    Mr. Levitt. So we are going to need to take a basket of 
actions regarding Hamas. If there was one thing I could do 
right now, it would be to take the Hezbollah International 
Finance Prevention Act model and expand it. Somebody explain to 
me, please, why we only apply secondary sanctions to some 
foreign terrorist organizations. One of the things I think we 
are already seeing, Treasury officials are going to the Gulf, 
Treasury officials are going to Europe, and this issue, Hamas 
financing, is top of the agenda. Anticipate that one of the 
things they are doing is very firm sanctions diplomacy.
    I will give you an example. The most recent Treasury 
designation of Hamas targets, the finance committee and the 
investment committee, the third round of targets on these 
issues came this week. It is great. They targeted some 
important people. It has made a difference. At least one of 
those people, according to the designation, was still working 
for a Hamas front company in Turkey that was designated last 
time. If sanctions diplomacy alone will not convince, in this 
case, the Turks to do the right thing, secondary sanctions 
offer some pretty significant leverage to be able to get that 
done. The investment committees alone are raising hundreds of 
millions of dollars for Hamas. It is not illiquid, but it is 
there, and this is a very important issue, especially as Hamas 
loses control of territory, and we have to look at charity, 
investments, and Iran.
    Second, I am kind of tired of people debating what role did 
Iran play in this attack. It will all come out eventually. 
There was a joint operations committee--their term, not mine--
that Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas have been running in Beirut for 
at least the last 2 years. Just yesterday, leaders of these 
terrorist groups were back meeting with Iranian leaders. Iran 
has funded, armed, trained, wound up, and pointed at Israel, 
Hamas, and other terrorist groups for decades, and we are 
pretending that we are surprised that Hamas is doing something 
like this.
    Iran is ultimately responsible, and, therefore, there have 
to be consequences. Whether it is the $6 billion, whether it is 
other things, Iran's ability to finance terrorism has to be 
dealt with today. And the idea of putting these Iran issues in 
silos, prioritizing only the nuclear program--which is 
important, do not get me wrong--at the expense of its 
sponsorship of terrorism and malign activities in the region, 
well, we saw the consequences. The runt of the Iran threat 
network, the smallest and least capable of Iran's proxies, just 
brought the region hopefully just to the brink of regional war. 
Imagine what Lebanese Hezbollah, the Iraqi Shia militias, the 
Houthis could do, so the time to act is now.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. Dr. Wagman, a few years ago, the 
way terrorist groups exploited crypto was pretty simple. They 
raised money with Bitcoin. Walk through, if you would, how bad 
actors innovated, understanding that, as all of you said, one 
way or another, crypto is not the major source of funding. But 
talk, as it is growing and we learn more and more about crypto 
activities, whether it is drug running or child trafficking or 
financing terrorism, how are they innovating in how they use 
crypto? How do our legal and technological tools need to evolve 
so that we can keep up?
    Mr. Wagman. Thank you very much for the question. So indeed 
crypto currencies can be a paradise for illicit actors because 
they preserve some sort of anonymity and coverage. In order to 
combat that, the international community via the Financial 
Action Task Force--the FATF--established a toolbox in order to 
be able to trace that. So now we have those standards, we are 
actually enforcing a set of rules in order to follow those 
activities and those actions.
    We see that there is a major impact for that rules, and I 
could deliberate on that a little bit later, but at the same 
time we do see that bad actors are trying to avoid that. And 
with respect to people speak about Hamas, we see that there are 
two channels in which they are using that, first for 
fundraising from, you know, the public, doing crowdsourcing and 
so forth, and another way is to transfer fund between the 
organizations. However, as I mentioned, this is not a large 
part of their budget, but there is a tendency they may grow in 
the future.
    The overall package of potential regulation--or not 
potential--actual regulation that is already enforced in many 
countries have proven to be very effective. Law enforcement 
community developed tools to investigate that, trace that, and 
follow that. And for example, the Israeli authorities were able 
to seize and freeze about $7 million from Hamas in fundraising 
campaign that they ran, so this is one of the examples on how 
we could actually trace that. We see many organizations around 
the world that are still trying to work on that. They are early 
adopters, to some extent, but like any other field of terrorism 
financing and money laundering, this is a game, you know, 
between the good guys and bad guys.
    Chair Brown. Thank you. Senator Britt.
    Senator Britt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and on behalf of 
the Ranking Member and my Republican Colleagues, Senator 
Butler, we want to welcome you to your first Banking Committee 
hearing today.
    As I mentioned, having just returned from Israel and seeing 
the evil that Hamas firsthand, I, along with my colleagues that 
went, a bipartisan delegation, are more committed now than ever 
to making sure that we look at every single opportunity to 
cutoff funding to Iran and to end all of this once and for all.
    Mr. Levitt, you said, and you have served in various roles, 
obviously, when it comes to, you know, counterterrorism and 
financial intelligence, in both at the State Department and 
there at Treasury. I would like to know, given your experience 
in this space, you talked about both the raising of money by 
Hamas and the transfer of money. I want to focus on the 
transfer. Tell me, practically speaking, how that works from 
money going from Iran to Hamas or Hezbollah.
    Mr. Levitt. Thank you for the question. There are multiple 
ways that Iran transfers money. First of all, it is able to fly 
money and goods to Syria, transfer them physically to 
Hezbollah, and then be able to transfer them on by trade-based 
money laundering, by Hawaladars, by money exchange houses, 
trade-based money laundering, into the West Bank or the Gaza 
Strip. We have even seen Iran and Hezbollah do things like 
deposit money into a third person's account who is not actually 
a Hamas member, maybe their wife's hairdresser, but, you know, 
when Hamas says do that, you are not really in a position to 
say no. We have seen them send people with credit cards, and so 
there are multiple ways to move the money.
    Senator Britt. So when you look at these multiple ways, if 
you were to just give an estimate of the percentage of Hamas 
and Hezbollah, their total revenue that comes from Iran, what 
would that number be? What would that percentage be?
    Mr. Levitt. The number that the U.S. Government has been 
using--and this is money, not other things, so it is total 
more--is about $100 million for Hamas, fluctuating between $70 
and maybe $120 probably at the higher end recently, and $700 
million to $1 billion for Hezbollah, much, much larger budget.
    Senator Britt. So on the percentage-wise, though, if you 
were to kind of sort of take the total picture there, what 
number would you give that?
    Mr. Levitt. For Hezbollah, nobody knows is the simple 
answer. For Hezbollah----
    Senator Britt. But your guess.
    Mr. Levitt. ----it is the overwhelming majority.
    Senator Britt. OK. Ninety percent?
    Dr. Levitt. They have their own----
    Senator Britt. I have heard on the ground, maybe 90 percent 
of their funding comes from Iran.
    Mr. Levitt. It is possible. Hezbollah has its own 
independent illicit financial streams, which are significant, 
probably less than 90, but it is a lot----
    Senator Britt. A lot.
    Mr. Levitt. ----and it is constant.
    Senator Britt. So I want to shift gears just a little bit. 
Obviously, this Administration with regards to not enforcing 
Iran sanctions on the oil trade with countries like China, 
Russia, Venezuela, allowing Iran to profit over about $80 
billion since President Biden took office, I think without 
question the Iranian regime has used this $80 billion in 
profits for a number of illicit activities, a lot of which we 
are talking about here today. So with adversaries like China, 
when they are unwilling and they just disregard U.S. sanctions 
and the Iranian regime directly benefits, I believe it is 
totally and completely unacceptable. My question to you is, 
what can we do better as a Nation, looking back, to stop this? 
What has the U.S. not done, and also, Mrs. Pletka, I would like 
for you to answer this. What are we not doing from a U.S. 
perspective that we should be doing right now to stop this? Go 
ahead, Mr. Levitt.
    Mr. Levitt. So first of all, as I said earlier, we need to 
spend more time paying attention to how they transfer the funds 
because there are things we can do to frustrate their efforts. 
That is important because at the end of the day, for all these 
billions----
    Senator Britt. Mm-hmm.
    Mr. Levitt. ----Iran is able to prioritize a billion, a 
billion bit. Even under Maximum Pressure, they were financing 
Hamas and Hezbollah. Second, we need to do more to target this 
income that Iran has because it uses so much of its income to 
finance not only Hamas and Hezbollah, but Houthis and Shia 
militias, too.
    Senator Britt. Absolutely, and I am so sorry. I am running 
out of time. Mrs. Pletka, do you mind speaking directly to that 
and what more the U.S. can do to crack down on these sanction 
violations?
    Ms. Pletka. We can crack down on the sanctions violations.
    Senator Britt. That is what I am talking about.
    Ms. Pletka. That is what is not happening. What we have 
done in the last 2\1/2\ years, there have been absolutely 
sanctions imposed, a lot of sanctions imposed on Iran, but in 
the oil sector, they have mostly been small ball.
    Senator Britt. OK.
    Dr. Pletka. We have gone after small traders. We need to go 
after the big purchasers, especially the Chinese, but India, 
Russia, and others. We do actually have leverage in the form of 
secondary sanctions, trade, and other tools at our disposal.
    Senator Britt. And last, I am running out of time, but you 
spoke specifically about loopholes that are being used. Can you 
speak into that so that we can know what we need to be doing 
differently?
    Ms. Pletka. As the Chairman noted, I used to be a 
congressional staffer, so I pay a lot of attention to 
legislation. The problem in a lot of legislation is that it 
does not force action. In other words, it does not force the 
Executive branch--Republican, Democrat, Martians, whatever they 
are--into doing something once they know. There are no good 
triggers in a whole series of important pieces of legislation, 
but that model exists in the Iran, North Korea Sanctions Act, 
which is when you see it, you must notify--you. And then you 
must tell us what you have done, and if you have done nothing, 
you must tell us why. That is a loophole big enough to drive 
billions of dollars of earnings for Iran through that then goes 
to our friends, the terrorists.
    Senator Britt. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Britt. Senator Reed of 
Rhode Island is recognized.
    Senator Reed. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and like 
Senator Britt, I had the opportunity to travel to Israel and 
the region last weekend, and the horrific events of the last 
several days have really, I think, focused the whole world on 
how we can disrupt and degrade these terrorist organizations. 
Mr. Levitt, one point I think you made, though, is even under 
the Maximum Pressure Campaign of President Trump, Iran was 
still funding these organizations at a robust level. Is that 
accurate?
    Mr. Levitt. It is. It is not pointing a finger at any one 
Administration.
    Senator Reed. Right.
    Mr. Levitt. But the fact is the numbers of $100 million to 
Hamas and $700 million to a billion to Hezbollah, were numbers 
that came out in the Trump administration. Because Iran does 
not care about its citizenry and does not prioritize it, it 
does not matter if people are freezing in a cold winter and do 
not have gas for their homes. They are going to prioritize, and 
because Iran is a big economy, even under sanction, it can do 
this.
    Senator Reed. Right, but that has to be considered when we 
think about imposing sanctions on Iran because, in fact, what 
they do is deprive, as you said, their own people of basic 
necessities in order to keep funding these revolutionary 
movements, in their view. Is that fair?
    Mr. Levitt. At the end of the day, Iran has to be held 
responsible for its significant role in these heinous attacks. 
Some of that is going to have to be sanctions.
    Senator Reed. Yeah. No, I agree. One of the issues, I 
think, is because of the proximity and also the controls that 
the State of Israel has on Gaza, particularly, and Hamas, is 
what role can we play with Israel to effectively interrupt the 
flow of resources, weapons materiel to Hamas?
    Mr. Levitt. I really appreciate that question because I 
think this is something that needs to get a lot more attention. 
How did all those weapons that Hamas just used get in? There is 
going to have to be a more robust maritime effort. There is 
going to have to be more robust surveillance of what goes into 
Syria. It cannot be all on the Israelis to do airstrikes 
targeting Iranian weapons supplies to Hezbollah in particular. 
We failed here. All of us failed here when you look at the 
weapons that got in, and we are going to have to do better. 
U.S. has unique capabilities here, and I think the 
Administration has been very, very clear that it intends to use 
them to help Israel.
    Senator Reed. And this would be a collaborative effort. 
Both the world community and Israel has to focus on these 
networks by both covert and overt means, such as tracking bank 
accounts, et cetera. But I think, frankly, this was an area 
that we all missed, you know, or we tolerated in that we knew 
this money was going into Hamas, but there was no preemptive 
action by any of the major powers. Is that fair?
    Mr. Levitt. There was a lot that was missed, but there was 
also a major policy error, by everybody involved, on the 
calculation that Hamas was deterred, and that so long as money 
went in for salaries, and it is not just that we knew it. We 
encouraged it. The Israelis encouraged it so that there would 
be calm in Gaza. That calculation failed miserably----
    Senator Reed. Yes. Yes.
    Mr. Levitt. ----and is going to have to be revisited.
    Senator Reed. No, I think you are absolutely right. I think 
there was a perception that Hamas had become just another sort 
of organized crime operation with no serious plans to attack 
Israel, and as long as we paid them off, we would be OK. That 
is a little bit vernacular, but I think that since has some 
relevance.
    Mr. Levitt. Sir, I think it is spot on. I cannot reiterate 
enough Hamas did not attack because of occupation. Hamas did 
not attack because there is no two-State solution. Hamas is 
dead-set against a two-State solution or any solution that 
would have anything but an Islamist State and no Israel.
    Senator Reed. You know, again, I think Hamas hates Israel 
and has no regard for the Palestinians either. They are pawns 
in their operations, and we have to recognize that as well as 
their profound hatred of Israel and the State of Israel. Dr. 
Wagman, one of the things that we have been working on with my 
colleagues, Senator Warner, Senator Rounds, and Senator Romney, 
is legislation that would go after the intermediaries, the 
decentralized financed arrangements. Could you comment very 
briefly--I am running out of time--about that?
    Mr. Wagman. Yeah, sure. So in order to conform to the 
threats of this technology--like any other technology, it can 
be used in many different ways--a toolbox should be developed 
and actually has been developed and should be continued 
developing, in order to be able to do some tracing and to have 
some accountable parts that we will be able to identify the bad 
acts that are going there. Because most of the activities is 
going over the blockchain and there is a lot of transparency, 
we could actually use this technology in order to trace the bad 
actors.
    One of the things that we have recently seen is that Hamas 
stopped its fundraising through Bitcoin because the Israeli 
authorities were able to trace that. And perhaps to add to 
that, it is not only the intelligence community that is able to 
do that, but here, because everything is transparent, we could 
do a lot of work by the private sector. And we see a lot of 
crowdsourcing activities of people that actually go after and 
try to find those networks and then report that to the 
authorities. So that is a very interesting balance that changed 
in intelligence communities.
    Senator Reed. Thank you very much. Just for the record, the 
bill number is S. 2355, so I ask for support.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Reed. Senator Tillis from 
North Carolina is online, I think, from his office.
    Senator Tillis. Thank you, Chairman, and thanks to the 
panel for being with us today. Ms. Pletka, I wanted to talk a 
little bit more, drill down a little bit more, based on your 
opening statement, about the complex web through which Iran 
funds terrorist operations, including Hamas and Hezbollah, but 
I would like to shift a bit more toward Qatar. We know that 
they provide aid. We know that money is fungible. Can you tell 
me, if you have any information available for the Committee, 
give me an idea of what we should be concerned with in terms of 
those money flows and, with money being fungible, being used 
for malign purposes versus the purposes originally intended?
    Ms. Pletka. Thank you for the question. So I think, as Dr. 
Levitt mentioned, part of the challenge here is that Qatar 
plays a double role. The first is helpful interlocutor, a 
neutral Government that provides money to Hamas to take the 
pressure off, something that the Israelis and the Americans and 
others have long been aware of. The problem is that, first of 
all, this arrangement, a deeply, deeply Faustian deal that 
ended up helping Hamas gather the money necessary to do what it 
did on October 7th, but there is blame to go around. But the 
broader problem is that Qatar is a home, a home for terrorists, 
a home for terrorist money. It is a place where Ismail Haniyeh, 
the head of Hamas, lives in enormous wealth, $4 billion. Yes, 
part of that is in real estate in Gaza. Part of that is in real 
estate elsewhere. Part of that is in villas.
    This cannot be. We cannot have, on the one hand, a U.S. 
base and a nominal friend who also presents a homeland for 
every single terrorist group that, by the way, has been 
responsible not simply for the murder of Israelis, not simply 
for the murder of Americans in Israel, but responsible for the 
murder of Americans in Iraq, responsible for the murder of 
Americans all around the world. This is the challenge, and my 
most important priority here is to ask the question, what are 
they doing? How are they doing it? Are they providing financial 
flows to Hamas outside the arrangements they made? Of course 
they are. Are they providing financial arrangements to ISIS and 
to Hezbollah, as has been alleged in years past? Probably. They 
have unique influence with those groups, and unique influence 
does not just come from being a nice guy in the Middle East.
    Senator Tillis. Yeah, and honestly I think you have 
answered those questions. I believe probably that you are 
correct, and we need to get to the bottom. I want to talk a 
little bit about the Biden administration where I am at odds 
with their Middle East strategy and the assumption that Iran is 
a rational and could potentially be a good-faith actor. I do 
not see any logic behind that, and I think it was that logic 
that led, at least initially, to the $6 billion that was going 
to be released to Iran.
    So does anything--and Ms. Pletka, this is for you or anyone 
on the panel that may want to answer--does anything lead you 
all to believe that having that posture from this 
Administration is productive and has any foundation or 
justification? And, Ms. Pletka, we will start with you, but I 
am just trying to get why we would think that Iran has any role 
to play in deescalating the tensions in the Middle East, based 
on their past behavior.
    Ms. Pletka. Well, this was a conceit of the Obama 
administration, that, in fact, if we could get Iran to step 
away from its aggressive nuclear weapons program, that they 
would eventually evolve into a more constructive player in the 
region. The reverse has been true. I do not think there is any 
reason on earth--after Iran has armed the Hashd al-Sha'bi, the 
Popular Mobilization units in Iraq, Hezbollah in Lebanon, the 
Houthis in Syria, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and 
numerous other groups--there is no reason to believe why Iran 
has a constructive role to play in any sense.
    And let's not forget, please, we talk about what Iran does 
to these countries, how Iran has been responsible for the death 
of Americans and Israelis. Let's not forget what Iran does to 
its own people. Mahsa Amini was a great cause for us last year. 
Last week, they murdered another 16-year-old girl for exactly 
the same reason. This is an execrable regime. I am going to 
leave a second for you, Matt.
    Senator Tillis. Yes, Mr. Chair, if I may, because I want to 
be mindful of time, if anyone on the panel disagrees with the 
position that I have taken or the response from Ms. Pletka, I 
would like to give them equal time.
    Mr. Levitt. Thank you so much for the question. I am too 
smart a man to disagree with Danielle Pletka publicly, but I do 
think, at least in my conversations with Administration 
officials, I have yet to hear anybody use that type of 
language. I do not know anybody in the Biden administration who 
thinks Iran has a constructive role to play. I think there were 
people who think----
    Senator Tillis. Then maybe perhaps you could get to why we 
would actually--well, we know the mistakes of the Obama 
administration--but why we would even put $6 billion on the 
table if, in fact, that is not true.
    Mr. Levitt. I think the $6 billion, which I had problems 
with, was entirely about securing the release of American 
citizens. And if someone else had a better idea for how to 
secure the release of these Americans, I would be all ears. 
Giving Iran $6 billion was extremely uncomfortable, but I think 
it was not in a vacuum. We were trying to secure the release of 
Americans, which is a national priority.
    Senator Tillis. But I think the irony of it is, money being 
fungible, it could be those very dollars that now have some 200 
people being held hostage by Hamas. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Tillis. Senator Menendez of 
New Jersey is recognized.
    Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through Iran's 
funding of terrorist organizations, it continues to work toward 
the delegitimization of Israel. Iran has to be held accountable 
for its role in funding Hamas and other terrorist groups, and 
while I applaud the Treasury Department's recent sanctions on 
individuals identified as key Hamas terrorist group members, 
operatives, and financial facilitators, much, much more has to 
be done to prevent malign actors like Iran from financing proxy 
terrorist groups.
    Ms. Pletka, in a recent article, you wrote that the United 
States has chosen not to enforce its sanctions on Iran. It is 
certainly bothersome to me since I was the architect and author 
of most of those sanctions. What do you mean by that, and what 
recommendations do you have for the U.S. to do better 
enforcement of existing sanctions?
    Ms. Pletka. Thank you, sir, and Menendez-Kirk is great 
legislation, so thank you for your leadership on that. As I 
said in my opening testimony, I think there is a lot that 
Congress can do to tighten the screws. Why do I think the 
Administration is not enforcing sanctions? There is a hope, 
there has been a hope, that the United States could either 
modernize or reenter the JCPOA as it was if it was able to 
secure Iranian cooperation. To me, that is a fantasy land, but 
it certainly represented the ambition at the beginning of the 
Administration. I hope it is no longer.
    What can you do? First of all, we need to go after 
everything, and that, I think, has been the message from the 
entire table. We need to go after all spigots that are funding 
Iran and enabling Iran to fund its proxies around the region. 
That means oil sales. It means every other activity that the 
Iranians are involved in. We see these illicit oil sales. We 
also see, by the way, illegal transfers between Russia and Iran 
exchanging grain for oil. All of these are opportunities.
    We have task forces in the Persian Gulf that can be used to 
interdict ships. We have options at our fingertips to deny even 
ships on the high seas insurance, to go after them in a whole 
variety of ways, but the most important thing is to impose a 
cost on the buyers. They are the ones helping Iran fund these 
groups, and most importantly in that group is the Chinese 
Government, the Communist Chinese Government in Beijing.
    Senator Menendez. Yeah, and that is an issue I have raised 
before, which is the Chinese are buying enormous amounts of 
Iranian oil and Russian as well, and so at the end of the day, 
you have to make a conscious decision. If you really want to 
sanction and stop the flow of money, you have to pursue, as you 
suggest, the buyer because without a buyer, there is not a flow 
of money at the end of the day.
    In September, you know, the U.S. agreed that it would 
unfreeze $6 billion in Iranian funds. However, in light of 
Hamas' attack on Israel, the U.S. and the Qatari Government 
have agreed to temporarily prevent Iran from obtaining access 
to the $6 billion. It seems to me that the goal of any 
sanctions regime is to use economic leverage to bring about 
changes in a foreign actor's behavior. With that said, Iran is 
obviously openly hostile toward Israel. It supports Hamas, and 
while it denies that it assisted Hamas' terrorist attack 
against Israel, Hamas does not have the intelligence and 
technological capabilities to launch such an operation. That 
can only come from a State actor, and the only State actor who 
would help Hamas is Iran.
    Dr. Wagman, should not one of the conditions for unfreezing 
the $6 billion is the cutting of all ties by Iran to Hamas and 
its flow of money to it?
    Mr. Wagman. Thank you for the question. I am not fully 
familiar with the U.S. policy and approach in those aspects, 
but I would say that obviously Iran is financing Hamas, and I 
do believe that any action that can prevent that should be 
taken, anything that stop the funding to Hamas.
    Senator Menendez. Well, it just seems to me, and of course 
we always want to get American citizens back, but that brings a 
larger question. We should not let American citizens travel to 
countries where they are likely to be hostages, i.e., Iran, 
Russia, and others, because then we put ourselves in a hostage 
situation. But it also, I think, encourages other countries to 
say if you detain Americans illegally, then you can hit a cache 
of gold, and that is something that we just simply should not 
allow. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Senator Kennedy of Louisiana is recognized.
    Senator Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Levitt, Hamas 
runs Gaza. Is that correct?
    Mr. Levitt. Yes, sir.
    Senator Kennedy. And lots of people help Hamas, do they 
not?
    Mr. Levitt. There are people who help. There are lots of 
people in Gaza who oppose Hamas as well.
    Senator Kennedy. Well, Qatar sends Hamas $10 million a 
month to run the place, does it not?
    Mr. Levitt. It has.
    Senator Kennedy. The Palestinian Authority, which the 
people of Gaza rejected in favor of Hamas, pays Gaza's 
electricity bill. They keep the lights on for Hamas, do they 
not?
    Mr. Levitt. Well, to be clear, the people of Gaza did not 
reject the Palestinian Authority. Hamas took over----
    Senator Kennedy. I do not want to----
    Mr. Levitt. ----with force of arms.
    Senator Kennedy. I do not want to debate that.
    Mr. Levitt. There is not much to debate.
    Senator Kennedy. Yes----
    Mr. Levitt. The Palestinian Authority does provide salaries 
to its people in Gaza.
    Senator Kennedy. Does the Palestinian Authority pay for 
keeping the lights on in Gaza?
    Mr. Levitt. They pay for some of it, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. The U.N. sends Hamas money to educate the 
children, does it not?
    Mr. Levitt. The U.N. pays for some education in Gaza. They 
do that----
    Senator Kennedy. Is that a yes?
    Mr. Levitt. ----through their own agencies.
    Senator Kennedy. Is that a yes?
    Mr. Levitt. They provide the money into Gaza, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. I will take that as a yes. The U.N. gives 
Hamas money to run hospitals, does it not?
    Mr. Levitt. The U.N. runs hospitals in Gaza, too, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. And, in fact, does Hamas not tax, at the 
rate of 16\1/2\ percent, every bit of food and aid that comes 
into Gaza?
    Mr. Levitt. They do tax everything. I do not know the exact 
percentage.
    Senator Kennedy. And Hamas levies a tax on even fish 
caught, does it not?
    Mr. Levitt. They tax everything.
    Senator Kennedy. And Hamas also levels an income tax, does 
it not?
    Mr. Levitt. That, too.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. President Biden's administration has 
not enforced the sanctions on Iranian oil, has it?
    Mr. Levitt. No.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. So you agree with Ms.--I am sorry, I 
cannot see your----
    Ms. Pletka. Pletka.
    Senator Kennedy. Pletka. So you agree?
    Mr. Levitt. I tend to make it a policy to try to agree with 
Ms. Pletka whenever possible.
    Senator Kennedy. Yeah. Well, you are smart. You told us you 
were smart. President Biden has not chosen to impose the 
snapback sanctions under the JCPOA, has he?
    Mr. Levitt. Correct.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. Ms. Pletka, who has the $6 billion?
    Ms. Pletka. It is in a bank in Qatar.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. So Qatar has control of it.
    Ms. Pletka. In essence, that is correct, although----
    Senator Kennedy. Well, let me put it this way. There is a 
Qatar bank. If Qatar tells them to do something, the United 
States tells them not to do something, who is the bank going to 
listen to?
    Ms. Pletka. Well, that is the question before us right 
now----
    Senator Kennedy. Who is the bank going to listen to?
    Ms. Pletka. Qatar.
    Senator Kennedy. Of course.
    Ms. Pletka. Their Government.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. And is it not a fact that back in 
2021, Treasurer Yellen, through special drawing rights at the 
International Monetary Fund, gave Iran $4\1/2\ billion?
    Ms. Pletka. That is what I understand, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. And she would like to give them more.
    Ms. Pletka. That is what I understand, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. That is like cash money. It is really a 
dividend you can cash in for U.S. dollars. Is that right?
    Ms. Pletka. That is what I understand.
    Senator Kennedy. Wow. It seems to me that we could cutoff 
Hamas, or at least go a long way toward doing that, by actually 
just enforcing the things that we already say we are enforcing.
    Ms. Pletka. Every authority that is necessary to cutoff 
Iran, Hamas, and every other terrorist group is already in the 
President's hands. The question is never whether the President 
can. It is whether the President will.
    Senator Kennedy. Well, why has the Biden administration 
been so soft on Iran? If we know Iran is funding Hezbollah, 
Hamas, the Houthis, their surrogates in Syria, their surrogates 
in Iraq, why has President Biden's administration been so soft 
on them?
    Ms. Pletka. Well, I am not----
    Senator Kennedy. Do they just think love is the answer and 
that this is not a bar fight? I mean, it just looks to me like 
this Administration is quoting Socrates in the middle of a 
prison riot.
    Ms. Pletka. That is a very apt picture. I am not a 
spokesman for the Biden administration, so I can only give you 
my estimation. There has always been a problem in our 
compartmentalization in dealing with Iran. We have prioritized 
their nuclear weapons program, understandably, but we have not 
ignored but diminished the importance of their support for 
terrorism, their regional disruptions, and their human rights 
record. Those things need to change. We need to tighten the 
screws on Iran in every single aspect.
    Senator Kennedy. Peace through weakness never works, does 
it?
    Ms. Pletka. No.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Kennedy. Senator Cortez 
Masto from Nevada is recognized.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair and 
Ranking Member. Thank you for the panelists as well. This 
really requires us to work in a bipartisan way without 
``gotcha'' moments. And I appreciate the discussion today, but 
I do think let's be candid and at the same time tell the facts. 
We are concerned about previous actions as they led to where we 
are today and then how we address moving forward, working 
together. If I recall, in 2018 it was the Trump administration 
that pulled us out of the JCPOA. It was the Trump 
administration who refused to impose sanctions under CAATSA. So 
there is enough blame to go around, but let's focus on where we 
are today because I think this is where we should be and what 
we need to do.
    Let me just start with the first question. I think what I 
have been hearing, and I have been listening this morning as 
well to the conversation from the panelists--and thank you, 
very esteemed panelists--we all agree that we need to make sure 
that Israel has the support it needs to defend against the 
threats posed by Hamas and other terrorist organizations. I am 
also concerned about the threat by Hezbollah that it continues 
to pose against Israel's security. We all know, and we are 
hearing from all of you, much of the support comes from Iran's 
State sponsorship of terrorism with Hezbollah, Hamas, and the 
like. I also recognize that Hezbollah and Hamas still receive 
funding from private donations and organized crime syndicates 
across the globe.
    My question to all of you is, how can and is the 
Administration working with our European allies to really crack 
down on the illegal funding of terrorist organizations like 
Hamas, like Hezbollah, like we have been talking about? What is 
it that is happening with our European allies, and what more 
should we be doing? And maybe, Mr. Levitt, I will start with 
you.
    Mr. Levitt. Thank you so much. The Deputy Secretary of the 
Treasury is about to take off for Europe on this exact issue, 
and so you are seeing top-level engagement on this issue in 
general and specifically on the issue of Hamas, which 
traditionally has not gotten as much traction with our foreign 
partners, including the Europeans, who have seen Hamas as a 
lesser threat, not a threat to the international community, 
just to Israel.
    The October 7th attack was one of the worst acts of 
international terrorism ever--number of countries that were 
affected, number of people killed, number of people wounded, 
number of people kidnapped--and so there is an opportunity now 
to see Hamas for what it is and to get better buy-in and 
activity. When the President of France goes to Israel and says 
the Counter ISIS Coalition should take on the job of countering 
Hamas, that is not likely to happen, but a coalition of its own 
to get together and do more, in particular on the financing, is 
a very smart idea. Whether it happens or not, when the 
President of France says this, not someone who has typically 
been so hard on Hamas, that is a big step forward.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Anyone else?
    Mr. Wagman. Yeah, I am happy to respond. I do think the 
Coalition Against Hamas is required, like was done with ISIS, 
and I think that there are many tools that have not been used 
so far. First, to have a global designation on Hamas as a 
terror organization as was done on ISIL, meaning that all 
countries will have to impose that in all currencies, not only 
in U.S. dollars or euro. In addition, we need to make sure that 
secondary sanctions are being imposed. For example, it is known 
intelligence that Turkish exchanges and banks are constantly 
working in order to support Hamas, and the world is just 
putting, you know, a blind eye on that.
    Another thing is to make sure that we have enough 
transparency on the economies of the region. For example, 
Lebanon is hosting, or is having internally Hezbollah. We have 
not seen a report, for example, by FATF, that is actually doing 
the analysis of how to treat the Lebanonian economy and what 
should be done in order to make sure that Hezbollah does not 
control it or use that in order to do those actions.
    And last but not least, also the Palestinian Authorities 
have never been evaluated by FATF in order to check what is 
going on on the financial system of the Palestinian Authority, 
and this should be examined so we will better understand the 
relationship between the economies of Gaza and the rest of the 
Palestinian Authorities, and actually also answer previous 
questions about how do we know where the funds are going. If we 
do not know what happens in the Palestinian Authority economy 
in general, we will never know what actually is going in 
practice.
    Senator Cortez Masto. And I only have a few seconds left, 
but you touched on something that was the next question, was 
Turkey because we also know where Erdogan basically stated 
Hamas are not terrorists. So how do we address the concerns 
that you brought up, which was my question, is how do we 
address the terrorist financing that potentially may be going 
through that country?
    Mr. Wagman. So I think that after the event of this month, 
no question mark should still be there. This is pure terrorism, 
and this is why we need, you know, the international pressure, 
if that was not clear until now.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate 
it.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Cortez Masto. Senator 
Hagerty of Tennessee is recognized.
    Senator Hagerty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There has been a 
lot of discussion among Members of Congress about the role of 
cryptocurrencies in funding the recent attack on Israel that 
was carried out by Iran-backed Hamas. Policymakers that are 
hostile to cryptocurrency have even gone so far as to suggest 
that by eradicating the crypto industry, perhaps the attack 
would never have happened. I find that amazing to hear, but 
that is some of the claims. I would like to provide some 
context to these claims.
    The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Hamas and 
Palestine Islamic Jihad, since 2021, have received roughly $130 
million in crypto financing via offshore exchanges and 
platforms like Binance. It is important to note that these 
figures are disputed and per independent analysis that was 
released just this week, could be overestimated by as much as 
99 percent. The data analytics firm cited in this Wall Street 
Journal report has even disputed the estimates that were 
reported, stating that there is no evidence to suggest that 
Hamas fundraised anything close to this $130 million reported.
    Make no mistake. Any such funding is unconscionable and 
should be addressed in a thoughtful, targeted way in order to 
choke off these terrorists, but we should do this without 
pushing the crypto industry overseas. In this case, we need a 
scalpel, not a sledgehammer. What seems to be lost in the 
discussion is the billions of dollars--I am talking about 
billions with a ``B''--that have been funneled to these very 
organizations we are concerned about their principle sponsor, 
Iran--with the blessing of the Biden administration.
    Until recently, this appeasement policy was led by Special 
Envoy for Iran, Rob Malley. Rob Malley, who has had his 
classified security clearances ripped away, who has been kicked 
out of the State Department, and whose team included at least 
one person who it has been reported is a member of the Iranian 
Experts Initiative, which is a foreign influence and collusion 
network that is run by the Iranian regime.
    Biden's lax sanctions enforcement on Iranian crude sales 
have allowed the terrorist regime's oil revenues to surge from 
$7.9 billion during the final year of the Trump Maximum 
Pressure Campaign--I might add that the secondary sanctions I 
was involved in imposing in that Administration worked--from 
$7.9 billion in the final year of the Trump administration to 
more than $42 billion in 2022. According to estimates, the 
Iranian regime has been able to amass up to $91 billion in 
illicit oil revenue since the Biden administration came into 
office.
    President Biden has also greenlighted a $10 billion payment 
from Iraq to Iran for electricity. Further, President Biden has 
sent UNRWA over $730 million. UNRWA nominally provides direct 
relief and works programs for Palestinian refugees in Gaza and 
the West Bank, but these funds are fungible. And UNRWA has an 
abhorrent track record of supporting anti-Semitic curricula 
that refer to Israel as the enemy and teach math--I am not 
making this up--they teach math by counting martyred 
terrorists. I have seen the materials. At the same time, Qatar 
has over the past decade provided more than $2 billion in 
fungible economic and humanitarian aid.
    So my first question is a simple one, Dr. Wagman. Is tens 
of billions of dollars in Iranian oil revenue and sanctions 
relief from this Administration, plus whatever direct monetary 
relief to Hamas-controlled Gaza that has flowed that way, is 
that in any way comparable to the $130 million that allegedly 
has flowed through, which is probably overstated, from the 
crypto markets?
    Mr. Wagman. Yeah. So as I mentioned, I mean, crypto right 
now is not the main source of funding for Hamas, but definitely 
the old traditional ways in which we see that State funding is 
the most dominant thing that is funneling into the Gaza Strip, 
from cash----
    Senator Hagerty. Let me follow up on that. Is it fair to 
say, then, that these oil revenues, the sanctions relief, and 
the direct monetary relief revenue streams have done far more 
than any crypto financing to either directly support these 
terror groups or to buildup the resources that they could then 
divert to other malign activities?
    Mr. Wagman. Generally speaking, the funding of Hamas comes 
from State funding in many different channels. It goes through 
Turkey, to money exchanges, through trade-based terrorism 
financing, cash deliveries being sent, banking system, 
underground banking, many variety of ways.
    Senator Hagerty. Yeah.
    Mr. Wagman. Crypto is only one of them, and right now it is 
a limited part.
    Senator Hagerty. The point being that we brought those 
revenues down dramatically through the Maximum Pressure 
Campaign. They have skyrocketed because of non-enforcement of 
sanctions. And what seems to be happening here is that we are 
trying to divert attention from that fact, attacking an 
industry that we should be moving onshore. We want to actually 
have control and promote it and be able to deal with it. 
Instead pushing it offshore strikes me as a very bad idea.
    Dr. Wagman, one last question. Do you agree that 
international entities are harder to work with to combat these 
illicit flows? Would providing clarity to the crypto industry 
and encouraging these companies to move to the United States 
and within our jurisdiction rather than forcing them offshore 
not be a more straightforward way to reduce these illicit 
flows?
    Mr. Wagman. I think that having a global regime is 
extremely important in order to make sure that there are no 
weakest links because you could impose whatever you want 
internally, but then everything is being pushed away to other 
jurisdictions. So you have to have it both internally and 
internationally, and with that respect we do see that the 
weakest link is in other countries that do not enforce FATF 
regulations. And I do think that the U.S. can push very 
strongly the FATF in asking it to actually publish gray list of 
countries and jurisdictions that do not enforce the regulation 
and that do not impose the travel rule, and all the other 
regulations which can actually create a safer global 
environment.
    In addition, the U.S. could also choose and go and sanction 
or designate particular exchange platforms that are being used, 
in fact, for terrorism and criminals as like mixers because 
they do not fully support or fully contact the way that this is 
required.
    Senator Hagerty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Hagerty. Senator Warner of 
Virginia is recognized.
    Senator Warner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for 
holding this critical hearing. I have got to say to my friend, 
Senator Hagerty, and I know another advocate, Senator Lummis, 
around the areas of crypto, I believe strongly in the value of 
decentralized ledger. But I do think--and I see more of this, 
frankly, from a classified setting as Chairman of the 
Intelligence Committee--that, unfortunately, crypto is being 
used in a disproportionate way, I think particularly around 
rogue regimes like North Korea.
    I think one of the things that really ought to be incumbent 
upon me and others on the intel side to get more of this 
information declassified so we can at least have more facts out 
there on this subject matter. There has been some 
documentation, I think there will be more coming out, about 
literally some the payments to Hamas being made through crypto. 
It is one of the reasons why a lot of us on the Committee, in a 
bipartisan way, worked for years literally on the Anti-Money 
Laundering Act. That was 3-plus years ago. Took a lot of time. 
Mike Crapo was very active, the Chair was very active, and the 
implementation of that bill is still being, unfortunately, too 
slow.
    It is one of the reasons why, recently, I have been working 
with Senator Reed and Senator Rounds, Senator Romney on Senate 
Bill 2355, the CANSEE Act, which actually goes and tries to put 
a definitional approach and some responsibility around DeFi. 
Just as a commentary, I do not accept the premise that there is 
no father or mother of any DeFi system. Somebody is making 
money off of that, and we try to grapple on that. That is why 
more recently, we have been taking some of the ideas around 
DeFi and also thinking about secondary sanctions, particularly 
when it comes to terrorist organizations. And what we have used 
as a template--and I am going to come to you, Mr. Levitt, in a 
moment--is we have actually passed a law in this area. Back in 
2015, we passed a secondary sanctions law against Hezbollah 
using traditional areas around banking sanctions because in 
2015, there was no part of the crypto industry.
    I am still working with Senator Reed as well on a bill that 
would apply secondary sanctions, restrictions on transactions 
with foreign parties who facilitate transactions with terrorist 
organizations, and not just using traditional financial tools, 
banks, but also using crypto. This----
    [Voice.] What the hell?
    Senator Warner. You will have a chance to rebut my question 
in a moment, whoever was making those comments.
    Under our bill, using the Hezbollah bill as a baseline, 
using our definition of DeFi, and under this bill, Treasury 
must identify any foreign bank or foreign cryptocurrency 
entity, which we have called a digital asset transaction 
facilitator, known as an FTO, so that there would be then 
secondary sanctions placed on these entities, whether it be 
traditional banks or these FTOs. Again, as I said, we would 
include using the definitions we had on DeFi from CANSEE.
    So let me actually get to the question in my last minute, 
Dr. Levitt. In your testimony, you cite the Hezbollah 
International Financing Prevention Act, and said it is long 
time past that we go beyond Hezbollah to cover these other 
foreign terrorist organizations. This approach that would both 
build on the Hezbollah Act, take on foreign terrorist 
organizations, include their usage not only of traditional 
financial tools but of crypto with a DeFi definition included, 
would this make some sense, or not?
    Mr. Levitt. Tremendous sense and long overdue. Terrorists 
are still using banks, but they are using other methods, too. 
And while I think that the Wall Street Journal figure is 
probably exaggerated, there is no question we have seen DOJ 
action targeting Hamas crypto and other actions. The Israelis 
took an action just the other day. This is a growth area, and 
so we need to try and get, I do not know if it is still safe to 
say ahead or maybe catch up, on crypto and DeFi and recognize 
that this is a space where legitimate transactions can happen 
and illegitimate transactions can happen. And what you are 
proposing, to me, makes tremendous sense.
    Senator Warner. And I appreciate, Mr. Chairman, that I know 
you and your staff are working on this as well. Hopefully, we 
can combine efforts. And frankly, to my colleagues who have 
been strong advocates of crypto, I think if we can decrease the 
illicit use, particularly terrorist organizations like Hamas, 
and add that secondary sanction in, it might bring actually 
more legitimacy to this form of transaction, wherever they are 
located in the world. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. And thank you, Senator Warner, and the uses of 
crypto on child trafficking and drug running and all of that 
and understanding it better, thank you. Senator Lummis of 
Wyoming is recognized.
    Senator Lummis. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am so glad 
we are having this discussion, and I agree with Senator Warner. 
This is an area where crypto is being used to finance 
terrorism, and we have to provide the tools necessary to stop 
that. In fact, earlier this year, I worked with my colleagues 
on both sides of the aisle to add an amendment to the NDAA that 
would require examination standards for crypto asset 
intermediaries and request a report from FinCEN on mixers and 
tumblers, the way that information is scrambled to prevent 
detection.
    Furthermore, let's get after Binance and Tether. These are 
offshore companies that are financing illicit activities and 
terrorism. We have got to prevent Hamas, Hezbollah, and other 
terrorist organizations from using digital assets, using 
cryptocurrency as a means to finance their activities. So mixed 
in with the talk of stronger sanctions on Iran and other 
avenues to prevent the flow of illicit finance, we have heard a 
lot about crypto assets today. We should be hearing a lot about 
crypto assets today. I think it is because our panel is, in 
part, missing the perspective of FinCEN and the law enforcement 
agencies that are actively fighting the finance of terrorism.
    When we ask FinCEN and others what authorities they need to 
combat illicit finance in crypto assets, they say they do not 
need more laws. They need more resources. I have heard from law 
enforcement that in many ways, crypto assets are more traceable 
than cash. In fact, we have had people testify under oath in 
this Committee that crypto assets are easier to trace than cash 
because the data is permanently available for everyone to see 
on a distributed ledger. If you want to download on a computer 
the entire distributed ledger of Bitcoin, you can do it in your 
office. It will take you--plug in a computer, sign on--take you 
about 100 hours. You can download the entire distributed ledger 
of Bitcoin from day one in 2009, currently, and it will update 
every 10 minutes. It is remarkable the information that is 
available there. So what we need to do is give FinCEN and our 
regulators the resources to carry out the mission.
    Now, we address this in the Responsible Financial 
Innovation Act that Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and 
I have sponsored. It is a comprehensive framework for digital 
asset regulation. It provides these resources. As a starting 
point, it gives FinCEN $150 million to carry out its mission in 
regard to crypto assets and provides the flexibility to hire 
and retain highly qualified individuals.
    Now, let's turn for a minute to intermediaries like Binance 
and Tether. We know that Hamas and other terrorist groups have 
on literally hundreds of occasions been able to open accounts 
with Binance, even after public reporting about the issue. 
Binance is knowingly facilitating violations of sanction laws 
and the Bank Secrecy Act by failing to carry out adequate 
customer screening when it is aware the exchange is being used 
to finance terrorism.
    It is also well known that Tether is a favored on and off 
ramp for illicit activities to interact with crypto asset 
markets and is knowingly facilitating violations of the law. It 
was recently reported that Israeli law enforcement directed 
Tether to freeze 32 addresses controlled by Hamas- and Russian-
linked entities in Israel and Ukraine. Tether is failing to 
conduct adequate consumer and customer due diligence and 
screening, despite being aware that its product is used to 
facilitate terrorism and other illicit activities.
    That is why today, I sent a letter with Representative 
French Hill, who is the Chairman of the House Digital Assets 
Subcommittee, to Attorney General Merrick Garland, asking the 
Department of Justice to wrap up its investigation and consider 
criminal charges against Binance and Tether for their 
involvement in illicit finance. And we now know, as Senator 
Hagerty noted, that the role of crypto assets in funding Hamas 
has been overstated, but even $1 going to support the recent 
heinous attacks is too much. Binance and Tether have knowingly 
been allowing terrorists to move funds using their unregulated 
exchanges. They are based in the Seychelles, in the Caymans, in 
the British Virgin Islands. It is time they are brought to 
justice.
    Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that my letter to 
Attorney General Garland be entered into the record.
    Chair Brown. Without objection, so ordered.
    Senator Lummis. We have tried the status quo where crypto 
asset intermediaries operate in an environment without clear 
paths to registration. As policymakers, we need to be making it 
more difficult to operate a crypto asset intermediary in the 
shadows offshore. But we also need to make it possible to 
operate a compliant exchange in the United States. By providing 
robust regulation, the United States can force bad actors out 
of the crypto asset space and ensure financial innovation can 
continue in our Nation in a manner that does not allow illicit 
finance to occur.
    I have used up my time and more, so I do not have any 
questions for you, but Mr. Chairman, thank you kindly for 
holding this hearing. I yield back.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Lummis, for your comments. 
Senator Smith of Minnesota is recognized from her office.
    Senator Smith. Thank you very much, Chair Brown, and thanks 
to our panelists for being with us today.
    So just over 2 weeks ago, this brutal terrorist 
organization, Hamas, perpetrated a vicious attack on Israel, 
murdering 1,400 civilians and taking over 200 hostages, most of 
whom are still being held in unknown conditions. And I know 
that everybody on this Committee and in our country has been 
horrified and heartbroken at the devastation and terror and 
violence that unfolded on that day and that has since unfolded. 
I agree with the Biden administration that the United States 
must stand with Israel as it defends itself against this 
existential threat posed by Hamas, and we also need to work 
with Israel and all of our regional partners to address the 
humanitarian crisis in Gaza and minimize further harm to 
innocent civilians.
    So I want to ask a question to you, Mr. Levitt. The mission 
to stop Hamas must include cutting off their access to 
financial resources, and it seems to me that we need to focus 
not just on what they have done in the past to raise money, but 
what they will do next, that we need to look forward and be 
proactive. For example, this past April, Hamas stopped 
soliciting donations in Bitcoin because of enforcement actions 
taken against their donors and, instead, are now leveraging 
other digital assets and technology. And to be clear, I heard 
the important testimony earlier that what goes on in crypto is 
a small portion of what it is that we need to do to stop the 
flow of money to this terrorist organization.
    But, Mr. Levitt, could you talk about how, as we work with 
our international partners to cutoff Hamas access to financing 
through crypto and other means, how can we be more forward 
looking? How can we anticipate what their next strategies are 
going to be as we go forward?
    Mr. Levitt. Thank you so much for the question. When I was 
in Government, we used to do this all the time, look at what we 
did now and try and anticipate how our adversaries would react 
because they are not just going to stop. As Hamas is defeated 
in the Gaza Strip and it cannot raise money through governance, 
it is going to rely more on Iran. It is likely going to try and 
move more toward crypto, though probably not in big numbers. It 
is definitely going to try and rely more on abuse of charity.
    In the wake of this war that Hamas brought on, starting 
with their slaughter on August 7th, there is lots of suffering. 
And you will have good people raising money to help innocents, 
and you will have bad people who are using this as a pretext, 
saying they are raising money for innocents when they are 
really raising money for Hamas. As I have written in my 
testimony, we have already seen just in the past few weeks 
since the attack, in some cases, previously designated entities 
ratcheting up their fundraising, crowdsourcing, and 
``charitable campaigns.''
    I also applaud the Treasury Department's focus, now a third 
tranche just this week, on Hamas' finance and investment 
committees, which have successfully raised hundreds of millions 
of dollars for Hamas. So it is important to note that is not 
liquid cash. It is held up in investments.
    Senator Smith. Mm-hmm. So following up on that, we know 
that terrorist organizations exploit charity and the suffering 
of innocent people for their own evil purposes. Are there best 
practices or things that Americans should know if they are 
seeking to participate in the humanitarian needs that are 
unfolding for these innocent civilians in Gaza who are not 
Hamas and are not supporting Hamas? Is there anything that, you 
know, Americans out there should be thinking about as they are 
wondering what they can do to help?
    Mr. Levitt. Absolutely, and here again I applaud Treasury's 
FinCEN just the other day issuing an alert to financial 
institutions to counter Hamas financing. Among the several red 
flags they highlighted were indicators focused on charitable 
giving to help detect, prevent, and report suspicious 
activities related to abuse of charity. So we need to 
communicate to the public the type of things to look for, and 
Treasury just did that the other day.
    Senator Smith. Thank you. And I just have a couple of 
minutes left, but, you know, we know that Hamas has solicited 
donations through various social media platforms, posting 
addresses and so forth. And while many platforms have banned 
Hamas, accounts aligned with Hamas continue to emerge. And so I 
am wondering, what responsibilities do we think that these 
platforms bear for facilitating such payments? You know, for 
example, Mr. Levitt, X has recently started boosting content 
from paid verified users and has adopted this arrangement to 
share revenues. How concerned should we be with this kind of 
activity?
    Mr. Levitt. I am very concerned by it. I am very concerned 
that we do not hold platforms sufficiently responsible for the 
real-life consequences of what they allow on their platforms, 
whether or not they then monetize that on top of it.
    Senator Smith. Right.
    Mr. Levitt. And if you look at what the platforms have been 
doing the past few weeks, it is just disgusting.
    Senator Smith. If you want to change the outcomes, you have 
to change the incentives, and I think the incentives are all 
wrong there. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Smith. Senator Daines of 
Montana is recognized.
    Senator Daines. Chairman Brown, thank you. Five weeks 
before the October 7th terror attack in Israel, I was in the 
Hezbollah terror tunnels on the border of Lebanon seeing it 
firsthand, descending 80 feet down with IDF soldiers, and the 
next day, I met with Prime Minister Netanyahu in Jerusalem. I 
was the last U.S. Senator, I believe, to meet with Bibi prior 
to the attack, and we talked about three things: Iran, Hamas, 
and Hezbollah.
    It has been very clear to many of us, including clear to 
many leaders in Israel, that the appeasement strategy of the 
Biden administration is a failed policy. It has not only 
failed. It is also dangerous. The Maximum Pressure Campaign 
against the Iranians is the right policy position to take. And 
I will just tell you, I speak for many who have been very 
disappointed with this Administration's kind of standing back 
on the linkages between Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, as well as the 
Houthis in Yemen. I mean, good grief, they have got the USS 
Crane in the Red Sea shooting down cruise missiles and drones. 
This is a shooting war, and the U.S. is involved in this at 
this moment.
    And all three of these groups, I mean, two being Shiites 
with the Houthis and Hezbollah, Sunnis with Hamas, I hope this 
Administration will develop moral clarity at this moment in 
history. It is a dangerous moment. It is a dangerous moment 
that we hope and pray does not escalate. But this appeasement 
strategy, starting with JCPOA with the Iranians leading to 
unleashing billions of dollars to Iran, has absolutely failed, 
and not only has it failed, it is a threat to the stability of 
the entire world. We all know that Iranian funds flow into 
illicit finance networks that directly support Hezbollah, 
Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other terror networks 
across the world. And much of this support, Iran's support, is 
derived from oil exports.
    The Biden administration has irresponsibly relaxed the 
sanctions and the enforcement on these Iranian oil exports, 
resulting in a massive windfall for the regime in Tehran. The 
regime in Tehran calls out death to America. They call us the 
Big Satan and Israel the Little Satan. And yet this 
Administration is rewarding that with billions of dollars 
through relaxed sanctions relating to oil exports. Estimates 
place the revenue of Iranian oil exports under the Biden 
administration between $80 and $90 billion. These rockets, 
these missiles, the other arms these terrorists have have to be 
funded somewhere, and they are coming from Iran. And why can 
the Administration not be clear on that and move away from 
trying to bring Iran to the table and instead bring Iran to its 
knees through Maximum Pressure Campaign?
    To make matters worse, the Biden administration was 
committed to providing Iran yet another $6 billion. At a time 
when the State of Israel is under attack by Iranian-backed 
proxies, it is unthinkable--unthinkable--that an American 
President would even consider the idea of letting billions of 
dollars find their way into the hands of terrorists. While 
those funds have now reluctantly been refrozen, there is 
currently nothing stopping the Administration from seeking to 
reinstate this unconscionable policy. And that is why I have 
introduced legislation that would repurpose that $6 billion, 
and instead of giving it to Iran, why do we not repurpose it 
and give that $6 billion for the defense of Israel?
    Ms. Pletka, it seems the biggest opportunity to impact 
Iran's financing of Hamas and Hezbollah is directly linked to 
the enforcement of Iranian oil sanctions. OFAC maintains a 
sanctions evaders list. This list only has one entity on it. Do 
you believe that this list is being used to its full potential, 
and how can we better use it to disrupt Iran's oil exports?
    Ms. Pletka. No, I do not believe the list is being used to 
its full potential. There is no question that the 
Administration needs to both widen its aperture on who to 
sanction but also to step up its enforcement. And when I say 
``step up,'' I really mean transform their attitude toward 
enforcement so that Iran is not able to earn the revenues that 
it has been earning, so that it does not have the windfall that 
it has had over the last 2\1/2\ years because that and only 
that is going to be a message to them that we are more serious 
about their financing of terror.
    Senator Daines. You used the words ``change your 
attitude.'' I just call it a 180-degree change in their foreign 
policy related to Iran in terms of moving away from an 
appeasement strategy, which is very, very dangerous and gets 
increasingly more dangerous every day that goes by as we watch 
what is happening right before our very eyes in the Middle 
East. Dr. Levitt, you host a podcast titled ``Breaking 
Hezbollah's Golden Rule''.
    Chair Brown. Please ask your last question quickly, and if 
you will answer.
    Senator Daines. OK.
    Chair Brown. We have been called to a vote 15 minutes ago, 
so thank you, Senator Daines.
    Senator Daines. Thank you, Chairman. I will cut right to 
this. Their golden rule is the less you know, the better, from 
Hezbollah. In your opinion, what does the U.S. need to do to 
better attack illicit financial flows from bad actors like 
Muhammed, Qusayr, Illumix, or other fronts owned by Hezbollah 
family members? And we will need a quick answer, and it is my 
fault, not yours.
    Mr. Levitt. There is a lot more that has to be done, but I 
do think, per the title of the podcast, a lot of it is exposing 
it and making it public, in part so that the financial system, 
the financial community knows how to follow up. But there is a 
lot more to do, and I will pause because of the time.
    Senator Daines. Yes, that is my fault, not yours. Thank 
you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Daines. Senator Van Hollen 
of Maryland is recognized.
    Senator Van Hollen. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Thank all of you for your testimony today. Dr. Levitt, in your 
opening remarks, you made the important distinction between the 
sources of Hamas funding and the transfer of those funds and 
wanted to spend more time on the transfer issue. I know it has 
been covered a little bit, but can you talk about that network 
and what more we can do to confront it?
    Mr. Levitt. Thank you so much for the question, and not 
only because I am your constituent. It is very important to 
stop as much funds as possible. We will never drain the swamp, 
and so we need to also look at how they are moving the money. 
If some bad guy has money in Point A but cannot get it to Point 
B, I will take that as a win. We have not been doing enough 
there. It also applies not only to money but to other 
resources. All the weapons that we saw in the Gaza Strip just 
now, that came from someplace. There is a lot more that can be 
done on trade-based money laundering. There is a lot more that 
can be done on cash couriers.
    We know, FinCEN just informed this week, that Hamas has 
been transferring money through Hezbollah-affiliated banks. 
This is low-hanging fruit, and we have opportunities now. And 
by ``we,'' I do not only mean the United States. Sanctions 
diplomacy by the United States can get buy-in from our allies 
in Europe and elsewhere. Now is the time. If the heinous attack 
of October the 7th does not push people to act, I do not know 
what will.
    Senator Van Hollen. Right. So and the major tool that you 
are suggesting in that regard are the secondary sanctions on 
Hamas. Is that correct?
    Mr. Levitt. Correct.
    Senator Van Hollen. And then it comes to FinCEN, we, the 
United States, has been asking them to do a lot more in a short 
period of time. I chair the Appropriations subcommittee that 
oversees the Treasury and funding for that. I hope actually as 
part of one of the supplementals we deal with, emergency 
supplemental, we increase funds for FinCEN, and I think all the 
issues that you are talking about here are part of that.
    Dr. Wagman, you have had experience, you know, through the 
Israeli efforts to crack down on these money launderings. What 
lessons have you learned that could be helpful to us in terms 
of the transfer?
    Mr. Wagman. Thanks for the question. Actually, there are 
many things that could still be done. First of all, 
international collaboration and cooperation, there is not 
enough of it. Like the ransomware mechanism that was 
established, 24/7 response, I think that it is very important 
to disrupt terrorism. Second, to make sure that sanctions are 
being enforced, sanctions and secondary sanctions. We still 
see, as was mentioned here before, low-hanging fruits, Turkey 
still being a major channel to accept those funds. We see that, 
you know, Hezbollah and Hamas and the trade-based, there are 
still many areas that we could do much more.
    In addition, to make sure that law enforcement have the 
right capabilities and resources, as you rightfully mention. 
And we would just like for FinCEN perhaps to add to their 
authorities also the suspension, the temporary freezing, 
something that is common and exists in Europe that is, in 
particular, relevant to disturb terrorism financing. So this is 
some of the sources, and also I think that the U.S. could 
actually, through the international organizations, such as 
FATF, could actually promote international response to those 
actions.
    Senator Van Hollen. No, I appreciate those lessons learned, 
and the putting the fund on pause, this is an authority that 
FinCEN does not currently have. OK. We look forward to pursuing 
that. Just in closing, Dr. Levitt, and I only raise this 
question because Senator Kennedy made some remarks about, for 
example, transfers from the Qataris, the transfer from the P.A. 
I think you are well aware of the fact those transfers took 
place with the concurrence of the Israeli Government and Prime 
Minister Netanyahu earlier on. Is that not right?
    Mr. Levitt. It is right. The Israelis wanted stability and 
quiet, thinking that would buy deterrence and calm. 
Unfortunately, that has been proven wrong, but it was the 
policy. It was the U.S. policy as well.
    Senator Van Hollen. Right. And so I just think it is 
important because we have heard that a couple of times today. 
We want to get after all the illicit financing, but just to be 
clear, those transfers were done with the concurrence of both 
the United States and Israel, right?
    Mr. Levitt. Yes, sir.
    Senator Van Hollen. OK. And in fact, there has been much 
written about how part of Prime Minister Netanyahu's 
motivations at the time actually were to prevent the 
Palestinian Authority from gaining in greater legitimacy. I am 
sure you are aware of different things that have been written. 
What is your sense of what the motivation for this was?
    Mr. Levitt. I will leave Israeli domestic politics aside. I 
think across Israeli administrations, it was a clear policy to 
try and keep the calm, and the way to keep the calm was to make 
sure that there was at least enough economic activity in Gaza. 
The week before this attack, the Netanyahu Government, that 
Government increased the number of Gazans who were going to be 
allowed into Israel to work. So this was the policy to buy calm 
at the time, and everyone was caught off guard and everyone was 
found wrong on all sides of the partisan divide.
    Senator Van Hollen. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank 
you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Van Hollen. Senator Warren 
of Massachusetts is recognized.
    Senator Warren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On October 7th, 
Hamas militants killed 1,400 people and took more than 200 
hostages. So where did they get the money to outfit their 
fighters with guns and rockets and radios? I mean, after all, 
Hamas is already one of the world's most heavily sanctioned 
organizations. That means that the traditional channels for the 
global movement of money are largely closed off to them. Any 
money laundering rules that banks, gold traders, stockbrokers 
all follow make it hard to finance terrorism, but terrorists 
have found ways around those rules. One big one? Crypto.
    Dr. Levitt, as a Treasury official, you saw firsthand how 
terrorists structure their transactions to evade detection. 
Recent reporting has suggested that Hamas and Islamic Jihad-
linked crypto wallets, identified in seizure orders by the 
Israeli Government, received an estimated $134 million in the 
2\1/2\ years leading up to the attacks. So here is my question. 
Do you think that Government authorities know the full extent 
of all the crypto funds that Hamas and Islamic Jihad received 
over that time period?
    Mr. Levitt. By definition, they cannot know the extent of 
it, but I do think that number is very likely exaggerated. It 
is happening. They are getting money through crypto, there is 
no question, but the experts who follow this closely think that 
number is inflated.
    Senator Warren. So you think that they do not know all of 
the transactions that are occurring, so there are more 
transactions that are just out there in the dark and, I take 
it, no real way to estimate how big or how small they are?
    Mr. Levitt. You know, it is not anonymous, but you have to 
be able to put a long set of numbers to a person's name, and 
because of that, it can be complicated. Most of this is not 
ending up in an account of Hamas, Incorporated, or Islamic 
Jihad, Incorporated. By definition, because this is still an 
emerging technology and we are all catching up with it--we are 
behind--I cannot imagine anybody sitting in front of you and 
saying, yeah, we know the full scope of this.
    Senator Warren. OK. Fair enough. So the reason that 
conclusion is so important is because crypto industry players 
acknowledge that Hamas was financing itself through crypto, but 
they claim that the terrorist organization--and I am going to 
quote them--``stopped soliciting crypto donations because they 
were traceable.'' Now obviously, the industry's claim is false. 
In fact, just last week, the head of Cyber Defense Division of 
Israel's National Cyber Defense Directorate said, ``In this 
period of war, cryptocurrency is a major issue for financing 
terror because there are no other options,'' and that the 
amount of crypto flowing to terrorist groups has, ``super-
increased since the attack began.''
    Now, Senator Marshall and I, along with 14 of our Senate 
colleagues, including Senator Cortez Masto, Senator Smith, and 
Senator Fetterman right here on the Banking Committee, believe 
that Congress has talked about the threat of illicit crypto 
finance for long enough, and now it is time for Congress to 
act. We have a bill called the Digital Asset Anti-Money 
Laundering Act, which closes loopholes in our anti-money 
laundering and anti-terrorism financing, or AML/CFT rules, and 
cuts off terrorists and other criminals from using crypto to 
fund their illegal activities.
    Dr. Wagman, you were the Director General of the Israel 
Money Laundering and Terrorism Financing Prohibition Authority. 
Last year, you wrote that, ``In their attempt to avoid being 
traced, illegal actors have adopted ever-more sophisticated 
cryptocurrency technologies, such as noncustodial wallets.'' 
You wrote that Hamas uses noncustodial wallets to evade 
detection. Do those wallets pose a particularly high risk of 
attracting terrorists and other very dangerous people?
    Mr. Wagman. Thank you for the question. It is important, 
perhaps if I may, just to refer to your earlier comments about 
the funding of Hamas. The major funding of Hamas, 
unfortunately, the current sanction regime is far from being 
sufficient, and most of its budget and funds are still going 
through the traditional channels. And I want to put it clear 
because crypto is a problem, but this is not the major problem, 
and we have to look, you know, in other traditional channels, 
like banking and exchanges, money exchanges and cash and so 
forth. So let's not forget that.
    Having said that, crypto, it is a technology like any other 
technology that could be used for legitimate and illegitimate 
purposes. We do see trends on both sides. As long as we are 
able to create a framework of compliance into those systems, we 
are able to create environments in which we could trust some of 
the transactions that are going there, even most of them, when 
the platform is compliant. Therefore, I think that it is really 
important to make sure going forward that we are creating those 
environments that we could actually inspect and put forward the 
relevant technologies to ensure compliance.
    Senator Warren. OK, so I appreciate that----
    Chair Brown. There is a vote call----
    Senator Warren. OK. I will be really quick. I just want to 
point out, you wrote that decentralized finance and peer-to-
peer transactions between unhosted wallets are ``higher-risk 
structures.'' Two days ago, the Treasury Department wrote to 
lawmakers here, ``There are steps that Congress could take that 
would bolster Treasury's resources and authorities to combat 
both terrorist financing and mitigate illicit finance risks 
posed by virtual assets.'' Hamas is using crypto to help 
finance terrorism. Our current laws are inadequate. We have the 
power to choke off that lifeline, and I think that is what we 
should do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Warren. Senator Warnock of 
Georgia is recognized.
    Senator Warnock. Thank you very much, Chair Brown. The 
heinous acts of terrorism committed by Hamas were horrific and 
are rightly condemned by all who believe in human dignity and 
seek a lasting peace. What these events make clear is that 
there are those who are afraid of peace, and they seek to 
sabotage it at any cost. We must not let them win, and we must 
recommit ourselves to the hard work of a lasting peace, 
grounded in justice and in human dignity for all of God's 
children, both our Israeli and Palestinian brothers and 
sisters.
    Shortly after the terrorist attack in Israel, I joined 
Senators Warren, Marshall, and many on this Committee in urging 
Treasury to immediately investigate and halt the illicit usage 
of cryptocurrency by Hamas, by Hezbollah and other terrorist 
groups for money laundering and financing of their terrorist 
operations. I am glad that Treasury has made some moves here to 
clamp down on some of the crypto technologies being utilized by 
Hamas, but the threat does persist. There is debate and 
conversation here that is very helpful here about the extent of 
the threat, but I think there is agreement that the threat 
persists.
    Dr. Wagman, why are cryptocurrencies apparently a method of 
choice for these terrorist groups to transfer funds, and are 
these factors intrinsic to crypto?
    Mr. Wagman. So yeah, crypto does have advantages for 
illicit counterparts to work in because the [Speaking foreign 
language] or the compliant environment at least used to be 
lower than the other financial system, and this is why they 
were using that. I mean, the technology is there whether we 
like it or not, and it is really important to look forward and 
to continue our process, and make sure that we are creating 
environments that are secure enough.
    And even when we are getting to DeFi and all other 
technologies, there is a way, there is a technology that could 
also inspect that. And because of everything is transparent on 
the blockchain, we should focus our efforts on how to make sure 
that we have the ability to designate bad actors, and we see 
many exchange platforms that are working under countries which 
do not enforce the AML/CFT regulation that was adopted by the 
international regulators, and there are countries that do 
impose that. And we see differentiation in the way that 
terrorists are using those platforms. In the supervised and 
compliant platforms, there is less use. So I would suggest to 
put our efforts on making sure that we are sanctioning and 
supervising the unlicensed or those that are not compliant in 
order to reduce the activity there and also to ensure that we 
have better monitoring tools to continue to supervise that.
    Senator Warnock. We have seen the ways in which crypto has 
been proven to be widely used by criminals and terrorists the 
world over. Even executives at Binance, the largest crypto 
exchange in the world, are accused by the CFTC of being 
seemingly dismissive of the risk that Hamas is utilizing their 
platform to fund terrorism, and authorities have closed over 
100 accounts linked just to Hamas on Binance since Hamas' 
attack on Israel. Dr. Levitt, what considerations do you make 
when examining the use of crypto in financing these terror 
groups?
    Mr. Levitt. Like Shlomit, I am concerned about the ability 
not only to raise funds but to move funds as a means of 
transfer because there are no borders. And so as we crack down 
on other means of Hamas financing, they are going to, you know, 
squeeze that balloon. It will expand elsewhere. And so while I 
do not think that Hamas has made tremendous amounts of money by 
crypto, I am concerned that it is a growing industry. It is a 
place where they will try to expand their opportunities, and so 
it is something we have an opportunity now, I do not know if we 
can say get ahead, but to hurry up and catch up and prevent it 
from becoming something big before it does.
    Senator Warnock. Thank you so much. I look forward to 
working with my colleagues to find ways of clamping down on 
this issue and making sure that we are not making it easy for 
these groups, like Hamas, to finance their awful crimes against 
humanity. Thank you.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Warnock. Senator Fetterman 
of Pennsylvania is recognized.
    Senator Fetterman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for 
all being here today, experts, and it is always a treat to be 
here when I am able to talk to people much smarter than I am. 
And this last time I was in this very same chair, we were 
talking about crypto, and I asked the experts and I said a 
couple of questions, and they were kind of fundamentalist-like. 
And I just want to ask you as well, too, as experts, should 
crypto exist? In other words, you know, where should it exist? 
Like, you know, why should it endure, if anyone has any 
answers.
    Mr. Wagman. Happy to assist. Actually, that is the exact 
question that I was asked by the Minister of Finance in Israel 
a couple of years ago, and he asked me, you know what, let's 
just outlaw, you know, this entire crypto. It is going to be 
used for bad purposes. And I told him, Mr. Minister, 
unfortunately, the technology is out there, so it is not a 
question whether you like it or not. You need to manage the 
risk and find the ways to actually supervise that and make sure 
that it will be compliant.
    So there are good uses of crypto, financial inclusion and 
many others. At the same time, we have to be very strict to 
make sure that the legislative framework is addressing the 
concerns that we have. We have to make sure that all platforms 
are compliant, that we have very clear rules, that all 
countries are enforcing them in a similar manner, and that we 
are not letting other countries to get off the hook and 
actually encourage environment in which bad actors can work. We 
could create, together with the FATF, a gray list of those 
countries and make sure that they are publicly announced, and, 
you know in addition to other tools, we will have a better way 
to monitor what is going on there rather than just, you know, 
assume that it is not happening.
    Senator Fetterman. Yeah. And so where does the value 
assigned to crypto come from? Where does it come from because 
it is really just a mathematical idea. You know, kind of for 
me, it feels like it is a gimmick. But you know, where does the 
value of that come from other than there is not somebody kind 
of less informed, that I will pay more than what you just, you 
know, bought it for. So anyone have any thoughts on that?
    Mr. Wagman. Well, I can answer again. I mean, there are 
some rationales, you know, having a more decentralized economy 
and theories behind that. But, I mean, at the end of the day, I 
think that this discussion, even if it was relevant a couple of 
years ago, it does not matter anymore because the technology is 
there, and it is not something that is possible now, you know, 
to decide. I mean enough people think that there is value, and 
they are spending the money on it, and, of course, illicit 
actors are using that as well, no doubt about it. So I think 
that the major challenge that we should focus our energy on is 
how to make sure that their options are being smaller and that 
we are closing the gaps as much as possible these days.
    Senator Fetterman. So let me ask you, why did Hamas not use 
its American Express card to finance that awful terrorism? Why? 
Why would they not use their AMEX or PayPal?
    Mr. Wagman. So actually, they are using bank accounts and 
credit cards and payment cards. I know that firsthand because 
many Israelis are now monitoring all, you know, campaigns, and 
they see that.
    Senator Fetterman. Oh, so it is traceable then, right?
    Mr. Wagman. Yes. No, no, no. What I just want to say is 
that, you know, I do not want us to fall into the, you know, 
the assumption that crypto will solve everything. Other 
traditional channels are also being used. This is all just I 
want to say.
    Senator Fetterman. Yeah. Well, I was just trying to drill 
down. It is, like, of course, you know, it seems that they used 
crypto because it is really difficult or impossible to trace, 
so, you know, the bug is the feature, it seems, you know, to 
me. And if you are able to remove that ability to be anonymous, 
would crypto even endure because to me, it seems like whether 
you are financing terrorism or purchasing illicit drugs, you 
know, on the dark web, or other kinds of illegal things, no one 
is doing that using, you know, Apple Pay or whatever. They are 
using crypto. So really, is the one major reason why crypto 
exists is to finance things that are either illegal or they 
would not want to be attached to that kind of a thing? Is that 
a fair question?
    Mr. Wagman. I mean, I do not want to step up like 
encouraging the industry, because that is not my purpose. But 
it is important also to mention that because everything here is 
digital, in many aspects, sometimes as law enforcement 
community, there are better monitoring tools to go on crypto 
and blockchains rather than cash, for example, because there 
are always alternative for that. So we should, I think, focus 
our efforts on how to improve the monitoring resources and 
tools that we have, how to impose more compliance, and how to 
differentiate between those environment of legal and illegal 
activities. And there are ways to do that, and once you are 
putting them aside, you could have better things. By the way, 
there are some cryptocurrencies that you could actually 
confiscate from afar, from a distance, just by disabling them. 
So this is something, like one of the solutions that some 
actors from private sector came up with in order to minimize 
the options to misuse crypto.
    Again, it is not that I am supporting the industry. I am 
just in a place in which it exists, and we have to find a way 
to deal with it because outlawing that altogether just will 
create a black market that we will not able to supervise at 
all, and that actually I am more afraid of than, you know, 
having some monitoring tool and working on improving them and 
making sure that law enforcement authorities may have the 
option of doing that, and being realistic because money 
laundering and terrorism financing happen in many platforms.
    Senator Fetterman. Mr. Chairman, may I indulge for 30 
seconds?
    Chair Brown. Go ahead.
    Senator Fetterman. Oh, thank you, sir. It is more of a 
statement where it is, like, to me, my question is, like, if 
you are able to effectively track it or document, you know, it, 
would anybody really use it anymore, you know? To me, that is 
what I am really trying to get to, and I am not saying there is 
an answer. That is why I am asking the experts. It is, like, if 
you are able to effectively track it, would it really be 
attractive for anyone to traffic in that, especially because 
how volatile it is. And I really hope Hamas and everyone took a 
bath in crypto, you know, with the rest of everyone else, too, 
so they got a lot less guns for what they used to have, maybe.
    Mr. Wagman. So we are definitely hearing a lot of use cases 
in the market of people that are using that, you know, in order 
to make sure that they are not attached to a certain currency 
but have something that, you know, is linked to the dollar, 
that they want to put their funds in places or to transact with 
lower cost to have more financial inclusion options. So there 
are some legitimate use cases for that, and the blockchain 
technology, generally speaking, has its advantages in the way 
that it is easier to transact around the globe.
    Chair Brown. Thank you, Senator Fetterman. Thank you to the 
panel for being here. Thank you for providing testimony and 
your responses.
    Senators who wish to submit questions for the record, those 
questions are due 1 week from today, November 2nd. For the 
witnesses, you have 45 days to respond to those questions.
    Thank you again. The Committee is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:12 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIR SHERROD BROWN
    This hearing will come to order.
    Earlier this month, the world watched in horror as Hamas committed 
brutal acts of terrorism against the people of Israel.
    Hamas murdered innocent women and men and children. They attacked 
teenagers at a music festival. They took hostages--families, kids.
    We are horrified.
    In the days and weeks that have followed, the United States has 
taken strong, swift actions to support Israel as they defend their 
country against terrorism, and to aid civilians in Gaza.
    Now, it's vital to our national security that we provide critical 
assistance to Israel--including robust military, economic, and 
humanitarian aid that is desperately needed for those harmed by Hamas' 
terrorism.
    We must stand with both Ukraine and Israel as they fight back 
against two of the biggest threats facing the world: Putin and Iranian-
backed terrorists like Hamas.
    This isn't a time to play politics--we must stand united with our 
allies and we must defend American interests.
    We also need to confirm key national security nominees who play a 
critical role in working with their Israeli partners. We've had too 
many delays already.
    Right now, politics is holding up several key positions--including 
the Ambassador to Israel and at least 12 key military personnel--
preventing important work in the Middle East.
    This is why people think Washington doesn't work. Political 
grandstanding is hurting America's ability to effectively protect our 
interests at home and abroad, and keeping talented ambassadors and 
career military personnel on the sidelines.
    On this Committee, we have a long history of keeping the politics 
out, and working together to address threats from Russia, North Korea, 
China, and Iran.
    In the aftermath of October 7th, we are again confronting a 
challenge to the civilized world, and our humanity compels us to combat 
terrorism and hold State sponsors of terrorism, like Iran, accountable.
    We must be clear, and speak with one voice: There is no 
justification for terrorism. None.
    On this Committee, we have a unique role to play, working to 
understand the financing behind Hamas' attacks, so we can work to cut 
off funding for terrorism at its source and work to prevent future 
attacks.
    Iran has an alarming history of supporting terrorist proxies 
engaged in unspeakable atrocities.
    It's clear they provide significant funding for the military wing 
of Hamas--they provide training, they provide capabilities.
    We will assess what additional economic tools we need to stop State 
sponsors of terrorism, including Iran, from supporting Hamas, 
Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other terrorist proxies.
    And we will examine multiple terrorist funding streams, including 
cryptocurrency, and consider additional measures to stop the flow of 
those funds.
    In response to the brutal and horrific attacks, last week the 
Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control imposed 
additional sanctions on key Hamas terrorist group members, operatives, 
and financial facilitators located in Gaza and elsewhere, including 
Sudan, Turkey, Algeria, and Qatar.
    This action specifically targeted those managing assets within a 
secret Hamas investment portfolio, a Qatar-based financial facilitator 
with close ties to the Iranian regime, a key Hamas commander, and a 
Gaza-based virtual currency exchange and its operator.
    But that is not enough.
    The Administration must take additional steps to impose sanctions 
and dedicate resources toward a multilateral effort to coordinate with 
allies to track, freeze, and seize any Hamas-related assets, and take 
steps necessary to deny Hamas terrorists the ability to raise funds.
    We need to not only identify the bad actors, but also their money 
pipelines, so we can shut off their funding.
    We must undertake a more robust approach to identifying and 
preventing transactions that take place not only through financial 
institutions, but also through trade-based money laundering, 
cryptocurrency transactions, and other channels designed to avoid 
detection.
    On this Committee, we've raised the alarm about crypto and its role 
in illicit finance--including the use of crypto to both fund terrorists 
and enable the rogue Nations financing them.
    Too often, crypto platforms don't use the same commonsense 
protections that help keep illicit money out of the traditional banking 
system--safeguards like knowing their customers, or suspicious 
transaction reporting. Some crypto services and tokens even help users 
keep their transactions anonymous.
    And when law enforcement attempts to trace or block crypto funds, 
it becomes a game of whack-a-mole.
    They stop one transaction.and the criminals have moved on to 
another platform, with another alias.
    Terrorists know they can use crypto in ways they could never use 
dollars.
    That's why President Trump's Justice Department warned back in 2020 
that terrorist groups--including ISIS, al Qaeda, and the military arm 
of Hamas--were ``raising funds using cryptocurrency.''
    Not surprisingly, after the attack it was reported that Hamas has 
raised millions of dollars in crypto to fund their operations.
    We need to crack down on the use of crypto to fund terrorism and 
evade sanctions.
    Last week, Senator Warren and I, along with more than 100 of our 
colleagues of both parties, wrote to the Administration to voice our 
concerns about these issues.
    And I'm glad that Members of this Committee, including Senator 
Warren, Senator Reed, and Senator Warner, have put forward bipartisan 
plans for closing gaps around digital assets in our illicit finance 
rules. These are important steps forward, and I welcome more ideas. 
We'll work together on this Committee, in a bipartisan way, to make 
sure terrorists and bad actors can't exploit crypto.
    This Committee and the Senate have a bipartisan history of 
combating the ways in which Iran threatens the region--not just its 
nuclear weapons development, but also its support for terrorism.
    There has been a steady drumbeat recognizing the need for the 
United States and our allies to maintain and ramp up sanctions on 
Iran's harmful and destabilizing activities in the region. The Senate 
voted overwhelmingly to support the Countering America's Adversaries 
Through Sanctions Act to impose sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and 
Russia.
    We also passed the Hezbollah International Financing Prevention 
Amendments Act, which imposed sanctions on Russia, Iran, or any other 
foreign Government supporting Hezbollah.
    And let's not forget that this Committee acted together to tighten 
the rules around anonymous shell companies--which too often operate 
here in the United States--and which fund criminal syndicates and 
terrorists alike.
    We've strengthened our money laundering rules and our sanctions 
tools in a bipartisan way, and we can do it again.
    We need a comprehensive approach to shutting off Iran's funding 
sources--not just the $6 billion, but the many more billions of dollars 
Iran uses to continue its destabilizing activities in the middle east 
and around the world.
    Now is the time, once again, to act. I look forward to working with 
my colleagues on this Committee to stem terrorist financing, address 
the problems posed by crypto, and further strengthen sanctions.
                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF MATTHEW LEVITT
   Director, Reinhard Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, 
  Fromer-Wexler Senior Fellow, The Washington Institute for Near East 
                                 Policy
                            October 26, 2023
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                 PREPARED STATEMENT OF DANIELLE PLETKA
 Distinguished Senior Fellow in Foreign and Defense Policy Studies, AEI
                            October 26, 2023
    Mr. Chairman, Senator Scott, thank you for including me in today's 
hearing. I'm especially glad to be testifying with two outstanding 
witnesses.
    We are here today to talk about terrorist financing in the wake of 
the most serious assault on the Jewish people since the Holocaust. For 
many of us, the horror of the brutality of Hamas was compounded by the 
one of the most dreadful displays of public antisemitism since, well, 
the Holocaust. Hatred of Jews is perhaps the last remaining widely 
tolerated ``ism,'' and it has reminded many of us of the reason Israel 
must exist as a homeland and a safe haven for the Jewish people.
    In the important discussions in Congress about how to stem the tide 
of cash to terrorist groups, Hamas among them, much attention has been 
given to the $6 billion in cash the Biden administration transferred to 
Qatar from accounts in South Korea for Iran's use in September. That $6 
billion was advertised as payment for the release of five hostages, but 
widely understood to be the consideration paid for an ``understanding'' 
between the Biden administration and the Iranian regime about its 
conduct over the coming months, including a pause on attacks on 
Americans and a slowdown in Tehran's accumulation of highly enriched 
uranium. All carefully constructed, of course, to evade the 
congressional review requirements of the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review 
Act of 2015.
    An additional $10 billion sitting in Oman for the same purpose--
Iran--was also transferred from Iraq.
    A few things: If this $6 billion was our only problem with Iran, I 
would thank our lucky stars. This is the tip of the iceberg. But let's 
start with the $6 billion. The Biden administration, which came in for 
substantial criticism for allowing Iran access to this money, has said 
it will not allow it to be used right now. As Brett McGurk, the White 
House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, explained, the 
system for disbursal will work something like a joint signature on a 
checking account, that should be the end of the story. However, Qatar 
has contradicted our Government.
    Should Qatar, a topic I will return to later in this testimony, 
defy the wishes of the U.S. Government and proceed with a disbursal to 
Iran, you have options. First, it is important for Congress to 
ascertain whether the Government of Qatar has agreed to make Iran whole 
while it withholds the $6 billion from South Korea. In that scenario, 
Qatar could simply hand over its own cash to Tehran and pay itself back 
later from the South Korean funds once the pressure is off. We don't 
know if that's the case, but Iran's pro-forma protestations don't sound 
like those of a Government that's just been deprived of $6 billion.
    Second, if Qatar is actually disbursing the cash from South Korea, 
focus on the bank. If it chooses to become a financier to the Islamic 
Republic of Iran, the U.S. Government can choose to designate that bank 
as a primary money laundering concern. Should that not deter the 
Qataris, a designation of that country as a State sponsor of terrorism 
is an option. Both are Executive actions, but Congress can force a 
decision with legislation. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
    Let's move on from the $6 billion for now. Since 2021, ``the 
estimated value of Tehran's additional oil sales--the difference 
between its realized revenue and what it would have earned had its 
exports remained at the maximum pressure period's average level--was 
$26.3 to $29.5 billion dollars,'' per research by the Foundation for 
Defense of Democracy. From 2019 through the end of 2020, Iranian oil 
exports averaged .775 bpd. In 2021, per the same report, they rose to 
an average of 1.14 mbpd, and this year jumped to an average of 1.38 
mbpd. Iran's total revenue from oil exports since 2021 is between $81 
and $90.7 billion. Iranian foreign exchange reserves have doubled, 
growing from $12.4 billion in 2020 to $21.1 billion in 2023. Oil and 
oil-related exports are Iran's primary money earner; numbers 2 and 3 
are iron and steel and. edible fruits and nuts. So, it's the oil that 
is at the heart of the Islamic Republic's finances.
    How did that happen? Simple. The U.S. Government allowed it to 
happen. To review the bidding, in 2016, Iranian oil exports were 2 
mbpd. In 2018, they hit 2.8 mpbd. After President Trump pulled the plug 
on the JCPOA, they dropped to somewhere between half-a-million and 
three-quarters-of-a-million mbpd. Many, myself included, were skeptical 
of Trump's ability to stuff the genie back into the bottle after the 
wave of JCPOA sanctions waivers opened the spigots to Iran. But sure 
enough, he did just that.
    The simple reason the Trump administration was able to execute this 
miracle was the President's complete and utter indifference to 
conventional wisdom, his willingness to link trade to sanctions 
violations, and a keen sense that if forced to weigh America and Iran 
in the balance, even difficult players like the Chinese would make the 
right choice. They did.
    That all ended the month Joe Biden came to office. Why? One thing: 
Enforcement. It was no secret that the President hoped to reenter the 
JCPOA; his lead Iran negotiator took such an expansive approach to 
propitiating Iran that his deputy and other staff chose to resign in 
disgust. So, Iran began to make money again. The issue was not the lack 
of sanctions on the books or necessary authorities. Simply, the White 
House, or more accurately, Treasury stopped imposing sanctions.

        ``In the first 6 months of the Biden administration,'' United 
        Against a Nuclear Iran's research shows, ``no new sanctions 
        were introduced on Iran's oil sector. Finally, in August 2021, 
        amid an extended break in the nuclear negotiations, the U.S. 
        Treasury Department imposed new sanctions on an Omani 
        businessman and companies linked to him, alleging that he was 
        involved in an oil-smuggling network whose proceeds benefited 
        the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)'s Quds Force. 
        However, in the next 9 months, the Biden administration largely 
        failed to levy new sanctions to stanch the flow of oil 
        revenue.''

    Who was buying the oil? Businesses in the People's Republic of 
China, among others. So as China escalated threats against the U.S. and 
Taiwan in the Pacific, sanctions against Chinese companies for buying 
Iranian oil dropped off. The UANI chart below makes clear who Iran's 
buyers are.
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    By the way, that's not the only sanctions break we see. According 
to the Wilson Center, ``between 1995 and 2022, five Administrations--
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden--sanctioned 11 Iranian proxy 
groups in five countries. They also sanctioned 89 leaders from 13 
groups supported by Tehran.'' Per the same report, the Trump 
administration imposed 40 percent of those sanctions--7 groups and 32 
leaders tied to Iran. ``The Biden administration removed designation 
from one group (Ansar Allah) and sanctioned three leaders.''
    The cost to Iran of supporting these proxies isn't cheap. In 2016, 
Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah credited Iran for 
``Hezbollah's budget, everything it eats and drinks, its weapons and 
rockets, comes from the Islamic Republic of Iran.'' In 2018, the 
Treasury Department pegged Iranian aid to Hezbollah at more than $700 
million per annum. Hamas reportedly costs Iran about $100 million a 
year, though new reports estimate it could be up to $350 million a 
year. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (whose failed rocket inflicted the 
casualties at the al Ahli hospital) receives in the tens of millions as 
well.
    To give you a sense of what happens when Iran has less money at its 
disposal, during the height of the so-called maximum pressure campaign, 
transfers to Iran's terrorist proxies dropped dramatically, with 
Hezbollahis complaining to the Washington Post about furloughs, cut 
salaries, and necessary withdrawal from Syria where they had been 
fighting to support Bashar al Assad. Hezbollah was so strapped for 
money, it doubled down on organ trafficking, reportedly an important 
source of cash. In short, evidence suggests that when Iran doesn't have 
money, terrorists don't have money. That doesn't shut down terrorist 
operations, but it curtails them dramatically.
    Terrorist groups do have other sources of income. Hamas in 
particular earns substantial amounts from corruption, with almost every 
import into Gaza subject to ``taxes'' that go into Hamas leaders' 
pockets. Indeed, while the U.N. bemoans the plight of Gaza residents--
and rightly so--we should note that senior Hamas officials in both Gaza 
and Qatar, where the Hamas leader resides, have gotten very, very rich. 
Numerous reports cite Doha-based Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh's net 
worth at $4 billion. His predecessor Khaled Meshaal is said to be $2.6 
billion, with money in Qatar and Egypt. And there are others in Hamas 
worth billions.
    Another source of money for terrorist groups is the illegal 
captagon trade. You'll remember that some of the Hamas killers were 
found with the drug in their pockets. Hezbollah apparently makes 
millions from the illicit trade in the drug, in partnership with the 
Syrian Assad dictatorship.
    And then there's Qatar. There has been an unholy understanding 
between Israel and Qatar for some time: While Israel maintained its 
embargo of Gaza, carefully filtering employees and imports across the 
Israel-managed crossings, Qatar has been allowed to act as a pressure 
valve, funneling cash into Gaza to allow Hamas to buy peace with 
occasional distributions of energy and basic goods. But Israel's 
dealings with Qatar are not a get out of a jail card from U.S. 
congressional scrutiny.
    Indeed, I would ask you, what role does Qatar play in the Middle 
East? It enjoys positioning itself as an entrepot--just a middle man 
with no favorites. That's garbage. Qatar's favorites are the Islamist 
extremists it promotes with its pet television channel, Al Jazeera. Who 
lives or has lived in Qatar? The Taliban. al Qaeda. The Hamas 
leadership. ISIS leaders. All of them, cheek by jowl with one of 
America's major airbases in the region, Al Udeid. Now should be the 
moment Congress begins to scrutinize Qatar.
    So, what else should Congress do?

  1.  Understand how U.S. assistance to both the West Bank and Gaza is 
        enabling the perpetuation of both Hamas and Fatah rule.

  2.  Understand how UNRWA, the recipient of almost $6 billion in U.S. 
        support since 1950, has aided, nurtured and supported Hamas in 
        Gaza.

  3.  Understand why it is that Lebanon, a country ruled by Hezbollah, 
        a beachhead of anti-Israel attacks at its northern border, has 
        been able to skate without a State sponsor designation.

  4.  And most importantly, shut down the loopholes in sanctions 
        enforcement that, since 2021, have been permitted to facilitate 
        Iran's accumulation of cash that funds and arms and trains 
        Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, among so many 
        others.

   a.  Specifically, use the language in existing legislation like 
        INKSNA to require the Executive branch to notify you of every 
        instance in which it has credible information that there has 
        been a sanctions violation, and justify to you its inaction any 
        time it does not impose sanctions in response to that 
        information.

   b.  Use the language of CAATSA to require every waiver of sanctions 
        to be notified to Congress with 30 days' notice, and expedited 
        procedures for an up or down vote in both chambers on whether 
        to disapprove that waiver.

    You may ask me why I do not insist on stopping that $6 billion. 
There's no need; simply outline the consequences to Qatar. Go after the 
big money funneled to the terrorists by Iran. That is what fuels the 
savagery of October 7.
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                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF SHLOMIT WAGMAN
  Affiliated Scholar and Former Chair, Harvard Kennedy School, Israel 
      Money Laundering and Terror Financing Prohibition Authority
                            October 26, 2023
    I am honored to present my expert opinion before the distinguished 
Committee regarding the combat against networks of illicit finance and 
terrorism.
    As one of the experts who participated in the design of the 
international regulatory approach to virtual assets, as well as gained 
practical experience while leading numerous financial investigations of 
money laundering and terrorism financing, I am honored to share with 
you several insights and offer actionable proposals both domestically 
(in the U.S. and elsewhere) and globally (through multilateral efforts, 
such as within the framework of the FATF).
    I've served as the Chair of the Israeli Money Laundering and 
Terrorism Financing Prohibition Authority and was also the Cochair of 
the Financial Action Task Force's (FATF) Risk, Typologies and Methods 
Working Group. While serving in these capacities, I managed dozens of 
terrorism financing investigations and shaped global and national 
policy in the field. In addition, I led the Israeli accession to the 
FATF following a thorough evaluation process in which Israel achieved a 
(rare) High Effectiveness rating regarding the use of financial 
intelligence, terrorism financing investigations and confiscation. 
Currently, I am an affiliated scholar with the Mossavar-Rahmani Center 
for Business and Government and the GETTING-Plurality Network at the 
Harvard Kennedy School and the Berkman-Klein Center at the Harvard Law 
School. I am also a senior executive at Rapyd, a global payment 
company.
    The opinions presented in this testimony are my own and should not 
be attributed to any of the institutions with which I am affiliated 
with.
A. Background
    Quite simply, funding is essential for the operations of terrorist 
organizations. Conversely, the disruption of funding channels used by 
terror organizations plays a pivotal role in countering (and even 
abolishing) their activity.
    Looking specifically at Hamas and Hezbollah--both function like any 
other terror organizations. For example, the horrifying terror attacks 
of October 7th demonstrated the extent to which Hamas adopted the ISIS 
playbook: Hamas slaughtered innocent civilians in a brutal and well-
organized attack.
    This extensive operation, in which thousands of terror activists 
took part, required substantial funding for vehicles, weapons, drones, 
tracks, explosives, tunnels, logistic support, and more. In addition, 
substantial funding is likely required by Hamas to finance its 
continued holding of the 200+ hostages (from 33 countries) kidnapped 
from their homes and taken to Gaza.
    My goal in today's testimony is to review the funding channels used 
by illicit and terror organizations and--as per your request--focus 
specifically on the use of cryptocurrencies, which most likely funded 
(both directly and indirectly) Hamas' activities.
    This testimony document outlines the following:

    Surveys the main legal framework and regulatory 
        requirements found in the domain of anti-money laundering and 
        counter-terror financing (AML/CFT) with respect to terrorism 
        financing.

    Discusses current terror financing trends. In light of the 
        October 7th attacks, and at the request of the Honorable 
        Committee, this discussion focuses on Hamas current terrorism 
        financing trends, existing legal frameworks, and gaps and 
        challenges in the specific context of virtual assets.

    Proposed actions that can be taken in the domestic sphere 
        (such as by the U.S. and other countries) and in the 
        international sphere to strengthen the existing legal framework 
        and target the very gaps in this framework that are exploited 
        by terror organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.
B. Legal Framework Background--The Global Combat Against Terrorism 
        Financing
    After the 9/11 attacks, a global unified framework was designed to 
combat terror financing using the same toolbox previously developed to 
combat money laundering. This toolbox included the imposition of 
administrative obligations on the private sector (such as monitoring 
customer activity and reporting suspicious transactions to designated 
intelligence and law enforcement authorities) and requiring sovereign 
countries to establish financial investigation, enforcement and 
punitive capabilities, including confiscation of funds.
    This global response was designed by the Financial Action Task 
Force (FATF), the international watchdog in the field. Today, the FATF 
is composed of 39 member countries (including most of the G20 
countries) and regional organizations, and together with its nine 
associated FATF-Style Regional Bodies (FSRBs), it encompasses over 200 
jurisdictions.
    The FATF has defined global mandatory standards in the domain of 
Anti-Money Laundering and Counter Financing of Terrorism (AML/CTF) that 
all jurisdictions must implement into their national legal systems and 
ensure their effective enforcement. The FATF and FSRBs conduct ongoing 
monitoring to review and evaluate the level of compliance of countries 
with these standards, when noncompliant jurisdictions may be listed on 
the infamous gray or blacklist. These lists are powerful signaling 
tools that put severe pressure on the listed jurisdictions to quickly 
meet FATF standards, as the listed jurisdictions are marked as high-
risk territories for AML/CFT purposes, limiting their respective 
financial sectors' ability to participate in the global market. A place 
on the blacklist practically limits financial activities dramatically 
between the financial institutions in the blacklisted country and other 
jurisdictions.
The Global AM/CFT Approach to Virtual Assets
    Cryptocurrencies pose substantial challenges to national security 
and the integrity of financial systems. Certain unique characteristics 
make them appealing for conducting illegal activities: (1) they are 
decentralized, unsupervised by any Government or central bank, and 
therefore, like cash, preserve a high degree of anonymity; (2) they are 
virtual and therefore generally unbounded by geographical borders; and 
(3) they do not require transactions be conducted in-person. At the 
same time, they are also reflecting financial innovation, with the 
potential to initiate a revolution in the way society transfers value, 
facilitate international commerce and cross-border financial 
activities, decrease transaction costs and barriers, and enhance 
financial inclusion.
    The FATF was the first international organization to develop a 
holistic strategic response to cryptocurrency risks. In 2018, the FATF 
amended its mandatory standards to explicitly apply cryptocurrency to 
its rules, and subsequent updates and clarifications. The FATF's 
regulatory approach to cryptocurrency is similar to the approach it has 
taken to regulating traditional financial activities. The FATF requires 
countries to impose the full AML/CFT framework, albeit with relevant 
modifications pertinent to cryptocurrencies' unique technological 
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     \1\ To ensure that the regulations are as effective as possible, 
and to avoid circumvention of its global Recommendations, the FATF 
defined cryptocurrency assets broadly. FATF chose the term ``Virtual 
Assets'' (VA) rather than ``cryptocurrency'' or ``digital asset'' to 
refer broadly to any ``digital representation of value that can be 
digitally traded, or transferred, and can be used for payment or 
investment purposes.'' The definition does not include the digital 
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    As it has done when regulating other financial activities, the FATF 
identified virtual asset platforms capable of monitoring the financial 
activities conducted through their systems, termed ``Virtual Assets 
Service Providers'' (VASPs). This term was defined broadly to capture 
all relevant services, including virtual currency exchanges and certain 
types of wallet providers.
    All jurisdictions must establish licensing or registration 
requirements for VASPs. At a minimum, VASPS must be licensed where they 
were legally created. Some jurisdictions may also require licensing or 
registration as a condition for conducting business. VASPs should be 
subject to the full range of preventative measures and AML/CFT 
obligations, similar to other financial intermediaries. These 
obligations include, among others, the requirements of conducting 
customer due diligence and ongoing monitoring, recordkeeping, 
submitting of suspicious transaction reports (STR) to the designated 
Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), and screening customers and 
transactions against designation lists. In order to conduct the needed 
examinations as part of the consumer due diligence and licensing 
process, the FATF recommends using relevant tools and resources, such 
as blockchain analytic tools. Given the cross-border nature of VASPs' 
activities, the FATF is required to impose additional preventive 
measures, for example conduct Customer Due Diligence for every 
transaction above 1,000 dollars/euros.
    In addition, the FATF adopted a ``Travel Rule'' requirement for 
VASPs. The Travel Rule, a modification to its approach regarding wire 
transfers, requires VASPs to obtain, hold, and transmit required 
originator and beneficiary information, immediately and securely, when 
conducting VA transfers. These are the same obligations traditional 
financial intermediaries are required to undertake when they transmit 
transaction information via SWIFT (in a way which is compatible with 
data protection and privacy laws).
Investigative Aspects of Virtual Assets
    Aside from the risks associated with virtual assets, their digital 
environment actually provides unique opportunities for law enforcement 
agencies (LEAs) to conduct financial investigations. Analysis of public 
blockchain ledgers allows both the private sector (VASPs and other 
financial institutions) and LEAs to trace financial activities over the 
public blockchain and identify connections to suspicious transactions 
and illegal activities even if the cryptocurrency holder is represented 
only by a wallet number. The public ledgers allow analyzing and tracing 
a long history of transactions, thereby identifying whether the funds 
were involved in a known illicit activity, comingled with illegal 
funds, processed by an unregulated VASP, or were suspiciously treated 
(e.g., they were treated with an anonymity-enhancing mixer). In 
addition, because the data is available in digital format, analysts can 
apply sophisticated techniques to process and analyze it. At the same 
time, it is important to note that blockchain analytics is not a silver 
bullet. Private ledger cryptocurrencies, such as Monero, provide very 
limited public information.
    When VASPs collect data pursuant to their AML/CFT obligations, the 
data can provide the linkage between pseudonymous wallets and 
identifiable entities, especially when virtual asset holders cash in/
out from/to fiat currency. The information collected by VASPs as part 
of their customer due diligence obligations includes a vast repository 
of revealing data, including Government-issued identification (which is 
often crossed with biometric data), geographical location, IP 
addresses, statements regarding the source of funds, beneficial owners, 
and VASP-identified concerns based on the consumer or transaction's 
nature. This information can be obtained by LEAs as a result of 
spontaneous reporting by VASPs to the relevant FIU, or following a 
request by an LEA (either a request for additional information by the 
FIU or a court-issued warrant). When the financial intelligence held by 
LEAs is combined with other relevant intelligence (such as open-source 
intelligence (OSINT)), signals intelligence (SIGINT), and human 
intelligence (HUMINT), it empowers LEAs to trace suspicious financial 
activities and unmask the lawbreakers.
Implementation of the FATF Standards by Countries--Statues and Gaps
    So far, only a limited number of countries have implemented this 
framework.
    As of June 2023, \2\ 4 years after the FATF's adoption of standards 
on VAs and VASPs, 75 percent of the countries that went through their 
routine reviewing process have not implemented the framework in full. 
In addition, one-third of the countries have not conducted a risk 
assessment, and a similar number have not yet decided if and how to 
regulate the VASP sector.
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    Moreover, more than half of the countries have not taken any steps 
towards Travel Rule implementation.
    It should be highlighted that this situation has a major cost. 
Platforms that are not subject to the full extent of FATF standards are 
becoming crypto mixers, as it is almost impossible to track the illicit 
assets inserted or transferred via the platform. This continues to make 
the use of VASPs attractive to terrorist organizations.
C. Current Trends in Hamas Terror Financing
Hamas--General Sources of Funding
    Hamas is designated as a terror organization by the U.S., EU, U.K., 
Australia, Canada, Israel, and other countries. Unlike ISIS, it has not 
yet been designated by the U.N. as a global terror organization, hence 
the financial sanctions toolbox is somewhat limited, as described 
below.
    Hamas' funding resources include the following main channels:

    State funding, which is transmitted mainly by cash, cross-
        border payments, Hawala, trade-based terrorism financing, money 
        exchanges and banks.

    Business portfolios, including real estate and investments.

    Fundraising, including through social media platforms and 
        crowdfunding campaigns in which money is transmitted via bank 
        accounts, payment services and crypto exchanges.

    Humanitarian aid, which is misappropriated to and stolen 
        for its own activity.
Hamas' Use of Virtual Assets
    Hamas was an early adopter of virtual assets, using them to 
circumvent global supervision on money transfers and to raise funds. In 
recent years, tens of millions of dollars in virtual assets were 
identified as being linked to Hamas, however, only a small portion of 
these funds were successfully confiscated, as detailed below.
    Starting in 2019, Hamas has been fundraising in cryptocurrency. 
Initially, Hamas received a relatively small donation of several 
thousands of dollars in Bitcoin. It used regular cryptocurrency 
wallets, later moving to noncustodial wallets, and then in 2021 adopted 
more advanced techniques, generating a unique address for each new 
donation.
    In the summer of 2021, after a conflict with Israel, Hamas 
solicited increasing sums in Bitcoin. By July 2021, following Israel's 
designation of Hamas crypto wallets, more than $7.3 million worth of 
virtual assets were seized. The designation included over 20 different 
types of virtual assets, including Bitcoin, Ether, Tether, TRON, 
Cardano, XPR, Dogecoin, and more.
    In April 2023, following a further series of Israeli asset freezing 
orders and seizure of many accounts, Hamas announced to its supporters 
that it would stop receiving fundraising via the crypto currency 
Bitcoin, citing an increase in ``hostile'' activity against donors and 
that ``this comes out of concern about the safety of donors and to 
spare them any harm.'' \3\ Such a statement demonstrates that the FATF 
approach of signaling to the market of ``blacklisted'' crypto, was 
proven to be efficient.
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    On October 10th, 2023, after the recent terror attacks, Israel 
police froze the cryptocurrency accounts that Hamas was using to 
solicit donations on social media to support it during the war. \4\
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     \4\ www.reuters.com/technology/israel-freezes-crypto-accounts-
seeking-hamas-donations-police-say-20 23-10-10/
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    It is important to note that after each designation of a Hamas 
wallet became public, many VASPs, regulated and nonregulated, 
identified connections to the designated wallets and shared additional 
information with the Israeli authorities. Some sources communicated the 
information directly to Israel, to the National Bureau for Counter 
Terror Financing (NBCTF), while others informed the relevant LEAs in 
their respective jurisdictions or disseminated suspicious transaction 
reports to their own FIU, which in turn cooperated with the Israeli FIU 
and other relevant LEAs. The valuable information provided by VASPs 
around the globe included significant data they gathered by following 
their AML/CFT obligations, as well as through open-source information 
and blockchain analytics, and greatly assisted in tracing relevant 
wallets and seizing related funds.
    Additionally, blockchain analytics companies conducted independent 
research regarding the designated wallets, revealing connections to 
additional wallets associated with the designation and with previous 
terror financing investigations. Most findings became public when the 
companies published their investigations, which assisted in revealing 
new links to relevant suspected terrorism financing activities.
Hamas Fundraising Via e-Commerce and Technology Platforms
    According to open-source intelligence, Hamas collects funds using 
social media and commercial platforms. They direct supporters to 
purchase certain goods and services via e-commerce platforms, 
centralized and others that connect buyers and sellers. No real goods 
change hands and the money is funneled to Hamas.They are relying on the 
relatively low onboarding KYC examination performed by those platforms, 
which are mainly lacking the context of the overall transaction.
Humanitarian Fundraising Campings
    Hamas is known to lead a variety of fundraising campaigns on social 
media that seem to be legitimate humanitarian campaigns, and linked to 
charity organizations, making it difficult to trace by the intelligence 
community, the private sector and donors.
    After being published on social media, mainly via Telegram, the 
donations are being collected in bank transfers, payment transactions, 
and crypto.
Hamas Use of Trade-Based Terrorism Financing
    Another typology which is constantly identified as being used by 
Hamas is ``trade-based'' financing, which is very similar to the 
``trade-based'' money laundering'' typologies. \5\
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     \5\ FATF report: https://www.fatf-gafi.org/content/dam/fatf-gafi/
reports/Trade-Based-Money-Laundering-Trends-and-
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    The typical use case would be State-sponsored funding which is 
sent, either in cash or Hawalla, to another country. Hamas is 
purchasing goods, and shipping them to Gaza. The products imported to 
Gaza are being sold and the cash proceeds are being collected by Hamas 
in Gaza. Many cases were inspected in which Hamas was using trade and 
commerce of physical goods to transfer value to Gaze, including toys 
and chocolate. \6\
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     \6\ IMPA report (in Hebrew): https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/
dynamiccollectorresultitem/red-flags-typology-terror-financing-impa-
080822/he/professional-docs-red-flags-typology-terror-financing-impa-
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D. Proposed Action Items Going Forward
    My testimony above surveyed the global AML/CTF legal framework and 
the current trends in terror financing by Hamas (including the methods 
in which Hamas funds its own activities and, likely, the October 7 
attacks). In this chapter, I propose several practical operative 
actions that can be taken, both by the international legal community 
and the U.S., to further strengthen the international community's 
ability to disrupt terror financing channels and--ultimately--the 
financial ability for terror organizations to carry out their 
activities.
A. Strengthening the Global AML/CTF Regime for Virtual Assets
    The issue: Many countries have yet to implement the FATF's 
        regulatory framework regarding virtual assets and, 
        particularly, the Travel Rule and inspections on licensed 
        exchanges. This regulatory arbitrage creates a major loophole 
        in the global regulatory regime by allowing for ``weakest 
        link'' jurisdictions. The result is that illicit and terror 
        organizations ``forum shop'' and exploit exchanges based in 
        jurisdictions with weak oversight. In addition, no global 
        response is available in real time to such illicit activity and 
        there is no united coalition to promote a response.

    Proposed measures--global level: The following measures are 
        proposed to help strengthen the existing regime and support 
        better implementation and enforcement in jurisdictions with 
        weak oversight:

      The FATF must take an aggressive approach to enforcing 
        its global AML/CTF framework and work towards closing the 
        global regulatory arbitrages which create the ``weakest 
        links.'' This includes:

        (i) creating a public ``gray list'' of countries that 
        have not yet adopted and implemented virtual asset-related 
        controls, such as the ``Travel Rule,''

        (ii) ensure that countries are effectively supervising 
        their licensed VASPs and imposing dissuasive sanctions for 
        noncompliance, and

        (ii) imposing its customary sanctions regarding 
        noncompliance on such countries (for example, recommending that 
        member States impose advanced due diligence standards and 
        suspicious activity reporting requirements on financial 
        institutions engaged in virtual asset transactions with gray-
        listed countries).

      The FATF should further recommend additional measures to 
        regulate Peer-to-Peer, De-Fi and smart contracts.

    Proposed measures--domestic level: In the absence of 
        appropriate response by the regulating county in which an 
        exchange is licensed, or in case of a nonregulated exchange, it 
        is proposed that countries will consider designating the 
        exchange itself, to avoid its use as a ``mixer'' to launder the 
        funds.
B. Real-Time Collaboration and Information Sharing re Virtual Assets
    Issue #1: Due to the rapid and cross-border nature of 
        payment services and virtual asset transactions, there is a 
        need for 24/7 international collaboration between intelligence 
        and law enforcement authorities to identify, freeze and disrupt 
        the flow of funds.

    Proposed measure: Establish mechanisms for collaboration 
        between intelligence and law enforcement authorities, similar 
        to the case of ransomware and other social engineering fraud.

    Issue #2: Public authorities require a more effective 
        channel with the private sector, as most of the data relevant 
        to crypto-related investigations is publicly available (over 
        blockchain) and can be analyzed by the community.

    Proposed measures: Law enforcement agencies (LEAs) should 
        establish channels for rapid information sharing with the 
        private sector and, in particular, with financial institutions, 
        ``RegTech'' companies, and blockchain analytics experts, about 
        the up-to-date trends used by designated terror organizations. 
        In this regard, Financial Intelligence Units (FIUs), who 
        receive financial intelligence from the private sector, should 
        actively share with the private sector the red flags, 
        typologies, relevant keywords and even ``name codes'' which are 
        indicative of illegal donations that are channeled to terror 
        activity. The information sharing does not have to be public, 
        but can be done with entrusted RegTech companies.

    FIUs should also publish lists of bank accounts, payment 
        accounts and crypto wallet details which they have identified 
        on social media or otherwise, block them and alert the entire 
        financial system, on an ongoing and consistent basis.

    To make screening more effective for financial 
        institutions, FIUs should make lists accessible in different 
        formats and languages, with as many identifying data points as 
        possible so that private sector organizations can effectively 
        screen, regardless of their size or ability to dedicate 
        resources to compliance.
C. ``Sanctions'' Designations
    Issue: Hamas is currently designated by the U.S., EU and 
        other countries, but not by the U.N. Therefore, it is not 
        necessarily screened in all countries and in relation to 
        different currencies.

    Proposed measures:

      A proposal for the U.N. Security Council should be 
        submitted to designate Hamas as a terror organization, as was 
        the case with ISIS. Such action will ensure that Hamas' 
        financial activities will be screened and frozen by all 
        financial systems, in a unified and automatic manner, across 
        all countries, even in those institutions that are physically 
        removed from the conflict zone or may have limited awareness of 
        the nature and type of the terror financing typologies (as is 
        common), or may be operating with different currencies.

      Countries that have already domestically designated 
        Hamas, such as the U.S., EU, and others, should instruct their 
        enforcement agencies to focus on enforcement relating to this 
        specific designation and consider adding additional measures as 
        a policy matter. The U.S. designation of a group of Hamas 
        leaders made on October 18th is a positive, if belated, step. 
        More actions of a similar nature are required.

      Additional designations should be considered as well, for 
        example, charity organizations that were designated by Israel 
        based on relevant intelligence that connect them to the terror 
        activities.
D. Improving Financial Investigations Capabilities--Domestically
    Issue: FinCEN currently does not have authority to ask for 
        additional complementary information from financial 
        institutions or to freeze funds related to terrorism financing, 
        which are crucial operative capabilities needed to disrupt 
        terrorism.

    Proposed measures: The following measures are proposed to 
        help strengthen FinCEN's ability to effectively collect 
        financial intelligence information from financial institutions 
        and to take swift (if temporary) action to disrupt terror 
        financing:

      FinCEN should be granted with the legal authority to 
        compel all financial institutions to provide additional 
        supplementary information (as opposed to requesting such 
        institutions to do so voluntarily, which is the current 
        situation). This is especially important in the domain of 
        virtual assets, where many different VASPs and other financial 
        institutions are involved.

      In addition, FinCEN should be granted the legal authority 
        to order an administrative freeze on terror-financing related 
        funds for specified limited periods of time (e.g., 24-72 
        hours). Similar mechanisms exist throughout EU member States, 
        which enable local authorities to respond swiftly to fast-
        moving funds, which is normal in today's markets, and to 
        disrupt terrorism financing efficiently.
E. Risk Assessments of High-Risk Jurisdictions
    Issue: Key stakeholders in the public and private sectors 
        can serve as gatekeepers or a ``first line of defense'' against 
        the exploitation of financial and monetary markets by terror 
        organizations. To do this effectively, they need to understand 
        the risks emanating from high-risk jurisdiction, identify their 
        organizational appetite for risk; review their operations to 
        identify exposure to terror financing risk; and adopt risk-
        management controlling measures.

    Proposed measures:
      A clear, professional analysis of the risks emerging from 
        high-risk countries (from the perspective of terror financing) 
        should be made available to stakeholders in both the public and 
        private sectors. This will help facilitate the ``risk 
        management'' process described above, including establishing 
        effective management of risk appetite, risk exposure and risk-
        management controlling measures by these stakeholders.

      Ensuring that the FATF (and other parallel institutions) 
        are working in a transparent and credible manner to undergo and 
        swiftly publish their evaluations of countries that are at 
        high-risk for terror financing.

      In this regard, there is a need to mention the concerns 
        that were raised over the past few years regarding the 
        professional capability of the MENAFATF, which is the FSRB 
        mostly relevant to jurisdictions exposed to high risks of 
        terror-financing (such as Lebanon, the Palestinian Authority, 
        and Syria). It is critical that evaluations of these countries 
        are supported by appropriate and professional experts.

      For example, Hezbollah is a major stakeholder in the 
        Lebanese economy. Thus, it is critical that the ongoing 
        MENAFATF review of Lebanon will include a clear and reliable 
        review of its implication on Lebanon economy and its potential 
        exploitation to TF risks and funnel economic resources to 
        Hezbollah.

      In addition, the global financial community requires more 
        clarity regarding the financial ecosystem of the Palestinian 
        Authority and Gaze to allow it better manage TF risk. For a 
        variety of reasons, the PA has not gone through an objective 
        international assessment regarding their compliance with global 
        AML/CTF standards as set by the FATF. Based on publicly 
        available information, I estimate that the outcome of such an 
        evaluation would have likely been unsatisfactory and would have 
        led to the PA being placed on the FATF's ``gray list.'' The 
        result of such a listing is that countries which implement 
        FATF-recommended controls would require their domestic 
        financial institutions to impose enhanced measures in relation 
        to transactions with the Palestinian Authority (for example, 
        reporting transactions exceeding certain monetary thresholds). 
        Moreover, a reliable evaluation could have assisted in mapping 
        the compliance gaps in the Palestinian Authority's financial 
        system and clarifying how sources of funds enter Gaza without 
        supervision and get distributed through illicit channels to 
        Hamas (a situation that is common to the provision of 
        humanitarian aid to Gaza). Such an evaluation, if conducted by 
        a credible and professional team, needs to be conducted without 
        undue delay.
F. Following additional funding channels and social media platforms
    Issue #1: Hamas was recently inspected to expand its 
        activities to commerce and technology platforms. This typology 
        can be seen, for example, in temporary housing websites, etc. 
        Those platforms have limited ability to identify and monitor 
        risks, and additional discussion on this is required.

    Proposed measures: It is suggested to consider

    Issue #2: Certain social media platforms, such as Telegram, 
        are hosting a substantially large volume of terrorism financing 
        solicitation.

    Proposed measures:

      The EU's Digital Service Act enforces on large social 
        media platforms certain liabilities, including to ensure the 
        content is not infringing the safety of the public and does not 
        call to illegal activities etc. This applies, among others, to 
        Meta, TikTok and such. A reduced level of responsibilities and 
        liabilites is imposed on ``host'' platforms, such as Telegram, 
        to the content included there. A further discussion is needed 
        on this topic, including references to explicit solicitation 
        for terrorism financing.
        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARREN
                      FROM MATTHEW LEVITT

Q.1. On October 7, 2023, Hamas militants killed 1,400 people 
and took more than 200 hostages. \1\ In the days following, 
reports emerged suggesting that crypto wallets linked to Hamas, 
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other terrorist organizations 
received tens of millions in crypto over the years and months 
preceding the October 7 attacks, and continue to use crypto to 
fundraise and transact. \2\
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     \1\ NPR, ``New Details Emerge About the Hamas-Led Attackers Who 
Massacred Israelis'', Daniel Estrin, Aby Bakr Bashir, Samantha Balaban, 
Claire Harbage, October 27, 2023, https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/
1208836319/israel-hamas-islamic-jihad-militants-videos-details.
     \2\ Wall Street Journal, ``Hamas Militants Behind Israel Attack 
Raised Millions in Crypto'', Angus Berwick and Ian Talley, October 10, 
2023, https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/militants-behind-israel-
attack-raised-millions-in-crypto-b9134b7a; Financial Times, ``Israel 
Orders Freeze on Crypto Accounts in Bid To Block Funding for Hamas'', 
Scott Chipolina, October 17, 2023, https://www.ft.com/content/e03a370b-
777f-46c2-8576-d1cee731efe2?accessToken=; CNN, `` `They're 
Opportunistic and Adaptive': How Hamas Is Using Cryptocurrency To Raise 
Funds'', Scott Glover, Curt Devine, Majlie de Puy Kamp, and Scitt 
Bronstein, October 12, 2023, https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/us/hamas-
funding-crypto-invs/index.html.
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    In an attempt to minimize the role that it is has played in 
the financing of terrorist organizations, including Hamas and 
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, crypto industry players are now 
working furiously to downplay reports that claiming that ``[i]t 
is not known what proportion of the funds received by those 
wallets are directly attributable to PIJ or other terrorist 
groups.''
    But the facts remain clear. As Elliptic, one of the 
blockchain analytics firms whose crypto terrorist financing 
findings were reported in the Wall Street Journal in early 
October, \3\ stated in the release it issued to quell intense 
industry pressure, ``[i]n July this year, the NBCTF [National 
Bureau for Counter Terror Financing of Israel] issued a seizure 
order for crypto wallets linked to Palestinian Islamic Jihad 
(PIJ), a terrorist organization active in the Gaza Strip. 
Elliptic analysis of the wallets seized by the NBCTF shows that 
these wallets received transactions totalling just over $93 
million between 2020 and 2023.'' \4\
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     \3\ The Wall Street Journal, ``Hamas Militants Behind Israel 
Attack Raised Millions in Crypto'', Angus Berwick and Ian Talley, 
October 10, 2023, https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/militants-
behind-israel-attack-raised-millions-in-crypto-b9134b7a.
     \4\ Elliptic, ``Setting the Record Straight on Crypto Crowdfunding 
by Hamas'', October 25, 2023, https://www.elliptic.co/blog/setting-the-
record-straight-on-crypto-crowdfunding-by-hamas.
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    The industry group claims, ``[i]t is likely that some of 
the wallets listed by the NBCTF belonged to small service 
providers such as brokers that were used by PIJ.'' \5\ The 
industry is using this possibility to minimize the role that 
crypto as played in the financing of PIJ, Hamas, and other 
terrorist groups.
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     \5\ Elliptic, ``Setting the Record Straight on Crypto Crowdfunding 
by Hamas'', October 25, 2023, https://www.elliptic.co/blog/setting-the-
record-straight-on-crypto-crowdfunding-by-hamas.
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    Are ``small service providers'' that transmit funds to or 
from terrorist organizations immaterial to the financing of 
those terror groups?
    Are ``small service providers'' that transmit funds to or 
from terrorist organizations responsible for their role in the 
financing of those terror groups? Should they be held 
responsible for that role?
    On October 18, 2023, the U.S. Treasury Department 
(Treasury) imposed sanctions on one such service provider, a 
Gaza-based crypto exchange service ``for having materially 
assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or 
technological support for, or goods or services to or in 
support of, Hamas.'' \6\ According to the U.S. Treasury 
Department, that crypto exchange was involved in Hamas 
fundraising, and ``has also been used to transfer funds by 
affiliates in other terrorist groups,'' including an al Qaeda 
affiliate and individuals acting on behalf of the Islamic State 
of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). \7\
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     \6\ U.S. Department of the Treasury, ``Following Terrorist Act on 
Israel, Treasury Sanctions Hamas Operatives and Financial 
Facilitators'', press release, October 18, 2023, https://
home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1816.
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    Do you believe that these Treasury actions were appropriate 
based on the role that this exchange may have played in 
providing material support to terrorists, even if we are not 
certain that all funds that passed through this exchange went 
directly to or in support of Hamas?
    More broadly, do you believe that these service provider 
can materially assist, sponsor, or provide financial, material, 
or technological support for terrorist organizations even if 
terrorist organizations may only receive a small portion of the 
funds flowing through them?

A.1. I have met with Israeli officials on this subject, and 
they concur that while Hamas and PIJ both use cryptocurrencies 
to move funds, especially funds raised via crowd funding 
campaigns, crypto is not a major financing tool for either 
group compared with other means of raising and moving funds. 
Expect to see more actions targeting those entities that do 
provide crypto services for Hamas and PIJ, which is good, but 
this should not be made out to be more than it is. The WSJ 
report in question vastly overstated the amounts involved, 
according to Israeli officials with whom I have spoken.
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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
            SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM MATTHEW LEVITT

Q.1. What have we learned from FinCEN's enforcement efforts 
since 2020?
    FinCEN has raised concerns with illicit finance of 
terrorism through crypto currencies. Do you agree with the 
current approach FinCEN is taking to preventing these types of 
finance from occurring?

A.1. I do agree with FinCEN's approach. As discussed at the 
hearing, while Hamas does use crypto to send funds, mostly via 
crowd funding campaigns, it is far less of an issue that some 
of made it out to be (like the WSJ story). I recently held 
meetings with Israeli counterterror finance officials, and they 
confirm that crypto is used by Hamas but that it's not a major 
aspect of the group's financing, at least today.

Q.2. What more can Treasury do to better block Hamas from 
raising revenue across the Middle East?
    UAE comes up a lot in Treasury designations (as an example) 
related to sanctions evasion regarding Russia and Iran. Why is 
this and what makes the UAE a seemingly desirable jurisdiction 
for money laundering and terrorist financing?
    Are there meaningful measures the UAE can take to stop this 
facilitation through its financial system?

A.2. Treasury is working hard to block Hamas fundraising, 
including several recent designations and other actions, some 
done jointly for foreign partners. It is also active in a task 
force with foreign partners aimed to coordinate efforts to 
counter Hamas financing.
    The UAE was placed on the FATF grey list in 2022 due to 
AML/CFT shortcomings, some of which remain. Enforcement remains 
spotty in the UAE, but the country has adopted in mutual 
evaluation report and the State Department reports it is making 
significant progress. The UAE is also a member of the U.S.-
Saudi cochaired Terrorist Financing Targeting Center (TFTC).

Q.3. How often does FinCEN update reporting forms like the SAR 
form? When can we expect this issue to be fixed?

A.3. I have no special insight into this issue.

Q.4. Social media compliance, and the programs those companies 
put in place, appears to be collapsing, with layoffs of many 
staff who covered this issue. Has there been an increase of 
terrorist groups and other illicit actors using social media 
platforms as a result?
    Do Hamas and other designated terrorist groups leverage 
social media to raise money?

A.4. Hamas engages in crowd funding campaigns. The concern is 
that with the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 and the war that followed, 
these will pick up pace. According to Israeli authorities, this 
has already been the case. Much of this activity occurs on 
social media platforms.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ROUNDS
                      FROM MATTHEW LEVITT

Q.1. As you know, cryptocurrencies operate on a global scale, 
making international cooperation crucial. Some jurisdictions 
have introduced regulations, but global implementation is 
relatively poor and compliance remains low. U.S. exchanges do 
AML/KYC checks and screen all potential customers for 
sanctions. However, according to the Financial Action Task 
Force--an international standard setting body--73 of the 98 
jurisdictions assessed by the task force are either partially 
or noncompliant. Noncompliant exchanges are often the way bad 
actors can turn their digital currency into cash. What actions 
could Treasury or even Congress take to stymie the use of these 
noncompliant virtual asset service providers by bad actors?

A.1. I am not a crypto expert, so I defer here to my 
colleagues.
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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
           SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM DANIELLE PLETKA

Q.1. What have we learned from FinCEN's enforcement efforts 
since 2020?
    FinCEN has raised concerns with illicit finance of 
terrorism through crypto currencies. Do you agree with the 
current approach FinCEN is taking to preventing these types of 
finance from occurring?

A.1. Cryptocurrency is not my area of expertise.

Q.2. What more can Treasury do to better block Hamas from 
raising revenue across the Middle East?
    UAE comes up a lot in Treasury designations (as an example) 
related to sanctions evasion regarding Russia and Iran. Why is 
this and what makes the UAE a seemingly desirable jurisdiction 
for money laundering and terrorist financing?

A.2. The issue for the United States is enforcement and 
sanctions. A vigilant enforcement regime will push the Emiratis 
to end their role as an entrepot for terrorist financing. 
Seizures and bank designations, removal of liaison 
relationships and other serious legal efforts will prove to 
them that the United States is serious. So far, that proof has 
not been forthcoming.

Q.3. Are there meaningful measures the UAE can take to stop 
this facilitation through its financial system?

A.3. This is easy for the Emiratis to, but requires will on 
their part to ensure they are not a middle ground for terror 
financing. Should it be useful, the Treasury Department could 
send a team to help scrub their system. My guess is that they 
will resist this.

Q.4. How often does FinCEN update reporting forms like the SAR 
form? When can we expect this issue to be fixed?

A.4. Not my area of expertise.

Q.5. Social media compliance, and the programs those companies 
put in place, appears to be collapsing, with layoffs of many 
staff who covered this issue. Has there been an increase of 
terrorist groups and other illicit actors using social media 
platforms as a result?
    Do Hamas and other designated terrorist groups leverage 
social media to raise money?

A.5. Almost certainly yes, but this is an area the other 
witnesses can speak to more seriously.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ROUNDS
                      FROM DANIELLE PLETKA

Q.1. As you know, cryptocurrencies operate on a global scale, 
making international cooperation crucial. Some jurisdictions 
have introduced regulations, but global implementation is 
relatively poor and compliance remains low. U.S. exchanges do 
AML/KYC checks and screen all potential customers for 
sanctions. However, according to the Financial Action Task 
Force--an international standard setting body--73 of the 98 
jurisdictions assessed by the task force are either partially 
or noncompliant. Noncompliant exchanges are often the way bad 
actors can turn their digital currency into cash. What actions 
could Treasury or even Congress take to stymie the use of these 
noncompliant virtual asset service providers by bad actors?

A.1. Again, not my area, but the key is clarity in regulation/
law, enforcement, sanctions. The reason for lack of compliance 
is because it it possible. We have seen that when the United 
States is serious (periods after 9/11, periods under the Trump 
administration), compliance improves. There is a clear link.
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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
            SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM SHLOMIT WAGMAN

Q.1. What have we learned from FinCEN's enforcement efforts 
since 2020?
    FinCEN has raised concerns with illicit finance of 
terrorism through crypto currencies. Do you agree with the 
current approach FinCEN is taking to preventing these types of 
finance from occurring?

A.1. In recent years, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network 
(FinCEN) has taken several significant steps to address the 
potential risks associated with virtual assets and to promote 
the implementation of the FATF standards on them. Among others, 
it clarified the regulations by issuing guidance on how 
existing AML/CFT rules apply to virtual currencies and 
businesses dealing with them (2018). It established reporting 
and record-keeping requirements for exchanges and 
administrators, and updated FinCEN's reporting forms and 
advisories, and improved its ability to track and analyze 
suspicious activity involving virtual assets, particularly in 
ransomware payments and terrorist financing.
    Recently, on October 19, 2023, FinCEN published Notice of 
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Beneficial Ownership Information 
for Convertible Virtual Currency Transactions. This NPRM 
identifies international Convertible Virtual Currency Mixing 
(CVC mixing) as a class of transactions of primary money 
laundering concern. This NPRM highlights the risks posed by the 
extensive use of CVC mixing services by a variety of illicit 
actors throughout the world and proposes a rule to increase 
transparency around CVC mixing to combat its use by malicious 
actors including Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the 
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK).
    FinCEN also took enforcement actions, including the civil 
enforcement actions against the cryptocurrency exchange BitMEX, 
and imposing a fine of $100 million for violating AML/CFT 
regulations, including failing to implement a proper anti-money 
laundering program (2021); and against Hydra Market, a darknet 
marketplace that primarily used virtual currencies, for 
facilitating the sale of illegal goods and services (2023). 
These cases had a major impact on the markets, expressing 
FinCEN's mission in cracking illegal activities facilitated by 
virtual assets.
    In addition, FinCEN urges countries to adopt the FATF 
framework into its domestic legislation, as part of its 
membership at the U.S. delegation to the Financial Action Task 
Force.
    I do support finCEN's approach regarding virtual assets and 
believe they are crucial in order to reduce situations under 
which virtual assets may be used for terrorism financing.
    At the same time, I do think that the U.S., as other 
countries, should urge the FATF to take more actions against 
countries who do not fully implement the FATF standards 
regarding virtual assets. In addition, I believe that the U.S. 
Treasury should consider publishing designations on particular 
VASPs, especially from noncompliant jurisdictions, in order to 
combat their activity, which has severe negative implications 
for the global economy.

Q.2. What more can Treasury do to better block Hamas from 
raising revenue across the Middle East?
    UAE comes up a lot in Treasury designations (as an example) 
related to sanctions evasion regarding Russia and Iran. Why is 
this and what makes the UAE a seemingly desirable jurisdiction 
for money laundering and terrorist financing?

A.2. UAE's level of compliance with the global AML/CFT 
standards has been evaluated by the Financial Action Task Force 
(FATF). Based on its finding, the overall level of compliance 
was not satisfactory and met the FATF's criteria to be included 
under its gray list. Currently, the UAE is subject to a 
scrutiny review of its national efforts to strengthen the 
effectiveness of its AML/CFT framework, and it will be removed 
from the gray list only after the needed improvements will be 
fully implemented.
    Given the systematic deficiencies identified by FATF, 
illicit stakeholders are also likely to take advantage of this 
situation and try hiding illicit activities in its financial 
system.
    Based on publicly available information, it seems that 
Hamas is/was operating in the UAE and holds there certain 
assets. See, for example, the recent NYTimes report on Hamas' 
assets identified around the globe, which includes assets in 
the UAE.

Q.3. Are there meaningful measures the UAE can take to stop 
this facilitation through its financial system?

A.3. Yes. The UAE should continue strengthening the 
effectiveness of its AML/CFT framework and ensure efficient 
implementation of it, on a risk based approach. It should 
create intelligence collaboration with other agencies and act 
upon receiving data from its counterparts, including freezing 
assets related to suspected terror activities, initiate 
investigations, submit indictments and ensure it understands 
the risks and design tools to mitigate them. It should join a 
global task force and share information with it on a regular 
basis, in order to identify suspicious assets and freeze them.

Q.4. How often does FinCEN update reporting forms like the SAR 
form? When can we expect this issue to be fixed?

A.4. Unfortunately, I do not have data on this matter. I 
believe this question should be addressed to FinCEN.

Q.5. Social media compliance, and the programs those companies 
put in place, appears to be collapsing, with layoffs of many 
staff who covered this issue. Has there been an increase of 
terrorist groups and other illicit actors using social media 
platforms as a result?
    Do Hamas and other designated terrorist groups leverage 
social media to raise money?

A.5. Yes, Hamas uses social media for fundraising campaigns. 
The most common platform is Telegram, which does not easily 
collaborate on removing such content. We have seen in the past 
months campaigns calling directly for donations to Hamas, and 
others that do not provide explicit indication, but seem to 
have some ties to Hamas. The later cases are usually being 
reported to LEAs. To the best of my knowledge, most other 
social media outlets, mainly those who are subject to the EU's 
Digital Services Act and have AML/CFT as well as violence free 
monitoring measures in place, and they try removing such 
content upon notice or following their internal monitoring and 
review.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ROUNDS
                      FROM SHLOMIT WAGMAN

Q.1. As you know, cryptocurrencies operate on a global scale, 
making international cooperation crucial. Some jurisdictions 
have introduced regulations, but global implementation is 
relatively poor and compliance remains low. U.S. exchanges do 
AML/KYC checks and screen all potential customers for 
sanctions. However, according to the Financial Action Task 
Force--an international standard setting body--73 of the 98 
jurisdictions assessed by the task force are either partially 
or noncompliant. Noncompliant exchanges are often the way bad 
actors can turn their digital currency into cash. What actions 
could Treasury or even Congress take to stymie the use of these 
noncompliant virtual asset service providers by bad actors?

A.1. Indeed, many countries have yet to implement the FATF's 
regulatory framework regarding virtual assets and, 
particularly, the Travel Rule and inspections on licensed 
exchanges. This regulatory arbitrage creates a major loophole 
in the global regulatory regime by allowing for ``weakest 
link'' jurisdictions. The result is that illicit and terror 
organizations ``forum shop'' and exploit exchanges based in 
jurisdictions with weak oversight. In addition, no global 
response is available in real time to such illicit activity and 
there is no united coalition to promote a response.
    There are a couple of actions that may assist in 
strengthening the existing regime and support better 
implementation and enforcement in jurisdictions with weak 
oversight.
    The U.S. should urge the FATF to take a more aggressive 
approach in order to enforce the global AML/CTF framework in 
all jurisdictions and work towards closing the global 
regulatory arbitrages which create the ``weakest links.''
    This includes the following suggested actions:

  1.  Creating a public ``gray list'' of countries that have 
        not yet adopted and implemented virtual asset-related 
        controls, such as the ``Travel Rule,''

  2.  Ensure that countries are effectively supervising their 
        licensed VASPs and imposing dissuasive sanctions for 
        noncompliance, and

  3.  Imposing its customary sanctions regarding noncompliance 
        on such countries (for example, recommending that 
        member States impose advanced due diligence standards 
        and suspicious activity reporting requirements on 
        financial institutions engaged in virtual asset 
        transactions with gray-listed countries).

  4.  The U.S. and FATF should further recommend additional 
        measures to regulate Peer-to-Peer, De-Fi, and smart 
        contracts.

    In addition, on the domestic level, given the absence of 
appropriate response by certain regulating counties in which an 
exchange are licensed, or in case of a nonregulated exchange, 
it is proposed that the U.S. will consider designating the 
exchange itself, to avoid its use as a ``mixer'' to launder the 
funds.
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