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                  BANK MERGERS AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS 
                            OF CONSOLIDATION

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JACK REED, Rhode Island              TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                J.D. VANCE, Ohio
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona              KATIE BOYD BRITT, Alabama
RAPHAEL G. WARNOCK, Georgia          KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania         STEVE DAINES, Montana

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                    Subcommittee on Economic Policy

                 ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts, Chair

                JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana, Ranking Member

JACK REED, Rhode Island              MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                STEVE DAINES, Montana
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania

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Opening statement of Chair Warren................................     1
    Prepared statement...........................................    22

                               WITNESSES

Morgan Harper, Director of Policy and Advocacy, American Economic 
  Liberties Project..............................................     3
    Prepared statement...........................................    24
Michael Faulkender, Dean's Professor of Finance and Chief 
  Economist, University of Maryland and America First Policy 
  Institute......................................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................    38
Alexa Philo, Senior Policy Analyst, Americans for Financial 
  Reform.........................................................     7
    Prepared statement...........................................    41

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Statement submitted by Better Markets............................    46
Statement submitted by the Bank Policy Institute.................    58
Letter submitted by CUNA.........................................    60
Statement submitted by the Massachusetts Bankers Association.....    62



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         BANK MERGERS AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF CONSOLIDATION

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                        WEDNESDAY, JULY 12, 2023

                               U.S. Senate,
  Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
                           Subcommittee on Economic Policy,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met at 2:30 p.m., in room 538, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Elizabeth Warren, Chair of the 
Subcommittee, presiding.

          OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR ELIZABETH WARREN

    Chair Warren. This hearing will come to order.
    Good afternoon. I am pleased to be chairing today's 
Economic Policy Subcommittee hearing on the economic impacts of 
bank consolidation. I appreciate our witnesses joining us, and 
I appreciate Senator Kennedy's partnership in putting this 
hearing together. Senator Kennedy is on the floor right now 
giving a speech, but he will join us and told us to go ahead 
and start.
    After the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent bank 
bailout, Congress passed the Dodd-Frank Act. The law was 
designed to ensure that giant banks could never, ever, ever 
again threaten our economy. But with the collapse of Silicon 
Valley Bank, Signature Bank, and First Republic Bank--three of 
the largest bank failures in our Nation's history--two things 
have become obvious.
    First, bank failures remain a serious threat to our 
economy, putting taxpayers at risk of footing multibillion-
dollar bailouts if those banks go under. And second, regulators 
are courting disaster by continuing to encourage giant banks to 
grow even bigger. Treating mergers as a solution to financial 
instability increases instability.
    The problem with megabanks goes well beyond the increased 
risk of blowing up the financial system. As big banks get even 
bigger, branch closures increase. This reduces the availability 
of bank services and increases the cost of credit for small 
businesses and for families.
    This problem can be life or death for small businesses that 
cannot find anyone at a big bank who understands the local 
economy or the actual business that is applying for credit. The 
problem is also worse in low-income neighborhoods, where 
research shows that predatory lenders and check-cashers 
proliferate as bank consolidation rises.
    When banks merge, consolidation has ripple effects that 
cost jobs, lower household incomes, and slow economic growth in 
local economies. Bank consolidation may boost CEO pay and 
investor profits, but it hurts everyone else's quality of life.
    This problem seems obvious and should be easy to fix. 
Congress spotted the problem long ago, and in 1960 passed the 
Bank Merger Act to give bank regulators, in consultation with 
the Department of Justice, the authority to block mergers that 
reduce competition, harm communities, or are not in the public 
interest.
    Yet somehow, astonishingly, between 2006 and 2021, the 
Federal Reserve approved more than 3,500 consecutive mergers 
without denying a single one, a streak that would make Cal 
Ripken and Lou Gehrig green with envy.
    The net result of regulators falling asleep at the switch 
is that since 1990, the number of banks in the U.S. has 
declined from over 18,000 to fewer than 5,000.
    Meanwhile, the biggest banks, those at the very top, have 
gotten bigger. In the mid-1990s, the 20 biggest banks in the 
country held a total, all together, of 15 percent of all bank 
assets. Today, the top 20 hold more than 65 percent of all bank 
assets. And the concentration at the very top is even more 
extreme. The biggest four banks alone hold more assets than the 
next 75 banks combined.
    President Biden, to his credit, recognized this problem and 
is working to try to fix it. In his July 2021 executive order 
on competition, he concluded that bank consolidation, quote, 
``raises costs for consumers, restricts credit for small 
businesses, and harms low-income communities,'' end quote, and 
he ordered banking regulators to update the outdated and failed 
bank merger review policies.
    Two years later, we are finally on the cusp of seeing what 
those new merger guidelines are going to look like. Last month, 
Jonathan Kanter, the Justice Department's top antitrust 
enforcer, indicated that new guidelines would be coming soon, 
and that the Department would be giving much tougher scrutiny 
to mergers.
    That is the good news. I hope these guidelines are out 
soon, and you better believe I want them to be tougher than the 
current rules.
    But I am extraordinarily concerned about what we have seen 
in recent months from banking regulators. When First Republic 
Bank collapsed in April, the bank was ultimately sold to the 
biggest bank in America, JPMorgan Chase. That sweetheart deal 
cost the FDIC Fund $13 billion. Meanwhile, overnight, the 
country's biggest bank got $200 billion bigger.
    And what happened to the regulators? The Acting Comptroller 
of the Currency, Michael Hsu, rubber-stamped the deal in record 
time. When I asked Mr. Hsu at a hearing in May to explain how 
this merger was approved, he was unable to give a clear answer.
    But the overall picture is even worse. Instead of 
inattentive regulators who do not use their tools to block 
increasing consolidation, leaders within the Biden 
administration seem to be inviting more mergers. In a May 2023 
statement before the House Financial Services Committee, Acting 
Comptroller Hsu reassured banks that the agency would be, 
quote, ``open-minded,'' close quote, while considering merger 
proposals. And then earlier this week, he said, quote, ``simply 
prohibiting all mergers of large banks really locks in the 
concentration amongst the existing megabanks, and I don't think 
that's the right answer,'' end quote.
    Treasury Secretary Yellen recently warned that the banking 
``turmoil'' from the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature 
Bank, and First Republic might lead to more mergers and that 
regulators would be, quote, ``open to'' them. Then the New York 
Times also reported that Secretary Yellen privately told big 
banks that she would, and I quote, ``welcome more mergers.''
    These comments are stunningly wrongheaded. They indicate 
that key banking regulators have learned exactly the wrong 
lessons from the bank failures earlier this year and from the 
2008 financial crash before it. Too-big-to-fail banks pose 
risks to stability of the financial system and increasing 
banking concentration puts a damper on small business growth 
across the country.
    We need effective regulation and bank supervision that 
prevent big banks from failing in the first place, and we also 
need to police bank mergers to ensure that big banks have 
robust competition to ensure they are serving consumers and 
small businesses.
    I appreciate our witnesses being with us to discuss how we 
can do that.
    So, let me introduce our witnesses and we will get started. 
First I am pleased to introduce Ms. Morgan Harper, who is 
Director of Policy and Advocacy at the American Economic 
Liberties Project. Ms. Harper has years of experience working 
on economic and consumer issues including at the Consumer 
Financial Protection Bureau. So, thank you for joining us, Ms. 
Harper.
    Next, joining us virtually we have Dr. Michael Faulkender. 
Dr. Faulkender is the Dean's Professor of Finance at the 
University of Maryland and Chief Economist at the America First 
Policy Institute. Dr. Faulkender is an expert in financial 
policy, having previously served as Assistant Secretary for 
Economic Policy at the Treasury Department. Thank you, Dr. 
Faulkender, for being with us.
    And finally we have Ms. Alexa Philo, Senior Banking Policy 
Analyst for Americans for Financial Reform. Ms. Philo has 
extensive experience in banking policy and supervision, having 
served as a bank examiner at the New York Fed and as director 
of risk control at multiple banks. Thank you, Ms. Philo.
    Thank you to all of our witnesses for being with us.
    I am going to start with Ms. Harper for your opening 
statement. Ms. Harper, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

 STATEMENT OF MORGAN HARPER, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND ADVOCACY, 
              AMERICAN ECONOMIC LIBERTIES PROJECT

    Ms. Harper. Great. Well thank you so much Chair Warren, 
Ranking Member Kennedy, and Members of the Subcommittee. It is 
a pleasure to be here, and I appreciate the opportunity to 
testify before you on such an important topic about country's 
economic future.
    As was mentioned, I am the Director of Policy and Advocacy 
at the American Economic Liberties Project, an organization 
dedicated to uprooting a primary driver of concentrated 
economic power--monopolies.
    The 2008 global financial crisis made it abundantly clear 
that megabanks are policy failures. Yet instead of righting 
those wrong, over the last decade we have made the problem 
worse. In fact, it is why I left a white-shoe law firm to work 
as an attorney at the CFPB. There we took on the payday lending 
industry, debt collectors, and banks that broke the law and 
cheated the most vulnerable Americans--veterans, the elderly, 
students, and those earning the lowest incomes.
    At the CFPB, we used our legal authorities aggressively to 
hold lawbreakers accountable. In reality, however, too-big-to-
fail banks outmuscled everyone. Even as we enforced the law, 
they only got bigger and more powerful. These megabanks lied to 
regulators, cheated consumers, and neglected small businesses 
with no meaningful consequences. Not only are they too big to 
fail, they are too big to effectively regulate. Which leads us 
to today's hearing, as we discuss competing visions for the 
goals of bank merger policy.
    One view is the bigger, the better, that big and small 
banks alike should swallow competitors in a battle to become 
one of the last banks standing. Deregulation, lax merger 
enforcement, and a disregard for our country's bank merger laws 
over the last several decades have brought us closer to this 
hyperconsolidated vision.
    In 1990, there were 15,000 banks in America. Today there 
are hardly more than 4,000. The six largest banks control more 
assets than all others combined. Currently, more than three-
quarters of the United States' local banking markets are 
considered uncompetitive, and more pronounced in rural areas.
    Evidence of the harms of bank consolidation is vast. 
Consolidation has increased the cost and reduced the 
availability and quality of basic financial services for 
consumers, disproportionately affecting low-income and minority 
communities. It has throttled small business formation and 
lending and introduced greater systemic risks to our financial 
system.
    Regional and community banks' foundational role in local 
economies means that bank mergers increase unemployment and 
reduce wages. Branch closures have devastated communities 
across the country, pushing more Americans into the arms of 
predatory financial firms, like payday lenders and check 
cashers.
    As the Supreme Court put it in its landmark 1963 
Philadelphia National Bank decision, concentration in banking 
accelerates concentration generally, as bigger banks favor 
lending to larger incumbent firms. And as we saw in 2008, and 
again this year, bank consolidation increases systemic risk, 
threatening new crises which themselves are mass concentration 
events.
    Now some of our top bank regulators, like Treasury 
Secretary Yellen and Acting Comptroller Hsu, are championing 
more consolidation, contradicting the competition priorities of 
their own President. Two days ago, the same day that the Acting 
Comptroller publicly advocated more bank mergers, his own 
agency punished Bank of America for illegally cheating its 
consumers. It was ordered to pay a quarter billion dollars in 
penalties. This is the definition of too big to fail and too 
big to effectively regulate.
    But there is a different vision for competition in banking, 
Congress' original vision, laid out in the bank merger 
statutes, aiming to protect a vibrant ecosystem of small banks 
that propel the world's strongest economy. This vision 
prioritizes competition on the merits, where banks compete for 
savings and borrowers by offering better rates, easier access 
to credit for businesses and entrepreneurs, and more services 
to a broader customer base. This is the kind of competition our 
banking system was built around, the kind that will lead to a 
more stable, sustainable, and dynamic economy.
    More than 60 years ago, Congress rejected the 
consolidation-friendly view that some of our financial 
regulators are now advancing. Our laws did not change. Our 
banking regulators have. America thrives with a robust and 
competitive banking sector, and Congress and this Subcommittee 
have an opportunity to ensure we realize this vision.
    For decades we have tried consolidation. This strategy 
created a worldwide economic crisis in 2008, and we cannot 
afford another. Congress and bank regulators must enforce our 
laws to restore fairness and competition in banking.
    Thank you again for this opportunity, and I look forward to 
your questions.
    Chair Warren. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it, 
Ms. Harper.
    So, next we are going to hear from Dr. Faulkender. You are 
recognized 5 minutes, and I think you are joining us virtually.

 STATEMENT OF MICHAEL FAULKENDER, DEAN'S PROFESSOR OF FINANCE 
 AND CHIEF ECONOMIST, UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND AND AMERICA FIRST 
                        POLICY INSTITUTE

    Mr. Faulkender. Thank you, Chairwoman Warren, Ranking 
Member Kennedy, and Senators on the Committee for the 
opportunity to speak to you remotely. I am attending an 
academic conference in Boston so thank you for this opportunity 
to speak on a safe, sound, resilient, and growth-facilitating 
financial system.
    I have been a finance professor since 2002, and had the 
privilege of serving as the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury 
for Economic Policy during the previous Administration. I am 
proud to have led the implementation of the Paycheck Protection 
Program, working closely with community, regional, and large 
banks, CDFIs, MDIs, credit unions, and fintechs to save 
millions of Americans from the potential economic ravages of 
the pandemic.
    Historically, our Nation's economic strength has arisen 
from the ingenuity and dynamism of our private sector. Much of 
that growth originates from America's small businesses, who 
often seek credit from local and regional lenders. According to 
a recent Federal Reserve report, small bank loan portfolios in 
June of 2021 were more than 13 percent comprised of small 
business loans, compared to just 6 percent for the largest 
banks.
    To understand why this is the case it is helpful to 
understand the difference between hard and soft information. 
FICO scores, debt-to-income ratios, and collateral values are 
hard information that can just as easily be evaluated from 
across the country as from across the desk. Soft information, 
like the unique needs of a local demography or why a particular 
business model is viable in a particular geography is much more 
difficult to translate numerically and communicate in a large, 
hierarchical organization. Access to financing at the local 
level depends on financial institutions with local roots.
    At the same time, technology has transformed financial 
services, with ATMs, online, and mobile banking programs and 
computerized underwriting models. These systems have large 
fixed-development costs and low variable costs, resulting in 
enormous returns to scale. An implication of this paradigm is 
consolidation where four megabanks service nearly 48 percent of 
the Nation's deposits in 2022.
    Such consolidation creates challenges. Bankers in New York 
and San Francisco do not necessarily understand the local 
lending needs of Baton Rouge or western Massachusetts. We must 
ensure a vibrant ecosystem for credit provision to America's 
thriving small businesses without valid concerns about systemic 
risk creating extraordinary burdens.
    This raises the third major factor, which is the evolving 
regulatory environment. In my view, a number of reforms are 
needed. First, Dodd-Frank presumes that financial regulators 
will stay ahead of the banks. However, if bank supervisors 
cannot identify and address simple interest rate risks and 
duration imbalances, how can we rely upon them to stave off 
more complicated risks?
    Second, the system benefits from different banks pursuing 
different technologies, customer segments, and underwriting 
models. When regulators replace the judgment of the banks with 
their own, regulatory failures that, for instance, 
overemphasize credit risk and underemphasize interest rate 
risk, cause common shocks that put the entire system in greater 
jeopardy. For our largest institutions, I believe the solution 
is greater capital, not greater bureaucracy.
    Third, the systemic risk exception on deposit insurance has 
proven problematic. Statutory language explicitly or even 
implicitly saying that large banks have a more robust deposit 
guarantee than community and regional banks causes exactly the 
consolidation that policymakers should avoid. While we should 
perhaps guarantee non-interest-bearing transaction account so 
that American workers can be sure paychecks will clear, nowhere 
should law or policy provide differential deposit insurance 
based on bank size.
    Fourth, uniformly applying regulation and supervisory 
tactics to all banks when only the largest pose particular 
types of risk make small and regional banks less competitive. 
Bank supervisors should not request that small banks comply 
with, quote, ``best practices,'' end quote, that are not 
mandated.
    Finally, bank regulation must make it easier for new banks 
to enter. Since 2010, only 62 new FDIC-insured banks have been 
chartered in the United States. Creating stricter mandates for 
our Nation's banks may, instead, cause marginal activities to 
go toward shadow banks without making the Nation's financial 
systems safer. Regulators should work with industry and 
academics to identify the impediments to de novo banking so 
that greater bank entry might partially offset consolidation.
    Our banking system must continue improving accessing, 
lowering costs, and safeguarding financial information. 
Economies of scale mean that there will be several large 
institutions. Policymakers and regulators must ensure that 
there are enough of these banks to maintain significant 
competition. Regarding systemic risk, regulators will never 
have the information and sophistication necessary to stay ahead 
of the banks' activities. Instead, much of what regulators 
monitor should be left to the owners of the banks. Let capital 
do the work of the regulators. This would greatly reduce 
compliance burdens on small and regional banks that cannot 
afford the fixed costs of the regulatory apparatus and still 
compete.
    I look forward to participating in today's hearing. Thank 
you.
    Chair Warren. Thank you, Mr. Faulkender. I really 
appreciate your remarks here.
    And now we go to Ms. Philo. You are recognized for 5 
minutes.


STATEMENT OF ALEXA PHILO, SENIOR POLICY ANALYST, AMERICANS FOR 
                        FINANCIAL REFORM

    Ms. Philo. Good afternoon, and thank you Chair Warren and 
Ranking Member Kennedy for the opportunity to testify. I want 
to talk about the dangers of excessive concentration and the 
need for the banking agencies to swiftly update and apply their 
bank merger review frameworks.
    As you noted, President Biden issued an executive order in 
2021 to promote competition in the economy. It encouraged the 
agencies to review their practices and adopt a plan no later 
than 180 days from the order, and yet here we are, 2 years 
later, and the agencies have yet to publish new guidelines.
    We at AFR, Americans for Financial Reform, are deeply 
concerned about the concentrated power in banking and the wave 
of bank mergers and acquisitions that facilitated it. Bank 
consolidation has produced historically high concentration in 
the U.S. financial sector, the number of U.S. banks has 
plummeted from the '80s to today, and you mentioned a number of 
stats here that sort of reinforce that point.
    The agencies' history of rubber-stamping bank mergers has 
come at a great cost, with marginalized and rural communities 
disproportionately affect. The Bank Merger Act and BHC Act 
require the agencies to consider convenience and the needs of 
the community, and yet bank mergers have reduced availability 
of credit, increased fees for basic banking services, and 
lowered interest rates offered to depositors. These adverse 
effects are even more pronounced in communities of color, low- 
and medium-income communities where bank consolidation has led 
to significant branch closures.
    Bank mergers continue to drive large numbers of branch 
closures, and this disparately affects places where few 
branches existed in the first place, especially rural areas, 
especially low-income urban areas.
    Bank mergers' harmful effects also extend to small 
businesses, as we have talked about. Community banks have 
traditionally specialized in lending to local entrepreneurs and 
farmers. When banks consolidate, small business lending 
declines as bigger banks tend to serve larger commercial 
customers.
    Bank mergers exacerbate systemic risk. Due to recent 
mergers, PNC, Truist, and Capital One are now bigger than 
Washington Mutual, Countrywide, and Nat City when they failed 
in the 2008 financial crisis. Large bank mergers can exacerbate 
existing problems, such as the too-big-to-fail dynamic, as well 
as related problems such as when banks become too big to 
manage.
    The American public would be better served by the agencies 
evaluating emergency sales such as those that we saw through a 
lens broader than just the least cost to the insurance fund, 
including resulting effects on financial stability, ability to 
manage the combined entity, anticompetitive impacts, and other 
negative economic consequences not beneficial to communities 
served or the economy. The least cost calculation criteria 
should also be more transparent.
    In terms of needed actions, those opposed would have us 
believe that we need deregulation to check concentration, 
pointing to failures to supervise SVB. We disagree. A 
supervisory failure does not indict all supervision. It argues 
for stronger regulation and effective supervision.
    Also, regulations promote competition, level playing 
fields, and oversee systemic risk--I am sorry. I want to 
apologize. I want to restate.
    Also, regulations to promote competition, level playing 
fields, and oversee systemic risk do not categorically squelch 
innovation and diversity of business models. They can, in fact, 
do the opposite.
    Among AFR's proposals, we have listed a few here and I have 
more in my written testimony: pausing merger approvals until 
guidelines are strengthened; conducting a retrospective 
analysis on the impact of prior banking mergers; fulfilling the 
obligation to determine how a proposed merger will benefit the 
needs of the community with a robust community benefit 
agreement.
    This assessment should consider other relevant factors in 
addition to the bank's CRA rating, such as guaranteeing that a 
consumer merger is in the public interest by requiring CFPB 
approval, requiring disclosure of discussions between the 
institutions and regulators, and so on and so forth.
    To conclude, the above proposals are needed to protect the 
American public and combat the hands-off approach to merger 
reviews that has resulted in increased consolidation and 
inflicted substantial harm on the economy, small businesses, 
and communities, rural and Black, Indigenous, people of color 
communities.
    Thank you for allowing me to testify today. I greatly 
appreciate it.
    Chair Warren. Thank you, Ms. Philo. I really appreciate 
your comments.
    So, I am going to start with 5 minutes, first round of 
questions.
    So, the vast majority of banks that disappeared over the 
last few decades were not financial giants. They were small 
banks with deep roots in their communities. These are the banks 
that know local communities. These are the banks that know 
local neighborhoods, know local businesses. These are the banks 
that do the painstaking local lending that is a lifeline for so 
many small businesses. But those local banks are the ones that 
are disappearing.
    Since the mid 1990s, the share of banking assets and 
lending markets controlled by community banks has been cut in 
half. In just the last 15 years, the number of community banks 
has shrunk by more than 40 percent. Today, one-third of all 
rural counties no longer have a local bank.
    The result is that more communities in America, especially 
rural communities and communities of color, have little choice 
but to turn to big banks for checking accounts, loans, and 
other financial services. This increases costs for families and 
small businesses, and it has major consequences for the entire 
economy.
    So, Ms. Harper, let me ask you, what happens to a community 
when the last small bank in town closes up shop?
    Ms. Harper. Thank you for the question, Senator, and I am 
glad that you actually used the word ``lifeline,'' because when 
that last community bank, small bank leaves, it truly does take 
the heartbeat of the local economy with it. These small banks 
are, as you mentioned, serving and meeting the needs of small 
businesses, which fuel the rest of that local economy, and 
without them we see job losses, we see less employment, we see 
less dynamism in that economy.
    And then also we see the impact on consumers. When those 
services go away for consumers as well, they are left with 
higher-priced services, but then also it lays the groundwork 
for some of those predatory firms that I mentioned in my 
introductory statements--payday lenders, check cashers--that 
once in that trap, as we know, God help you, because then that 
opens up the door for debt collectors and possibly even 
eviction.
    So, it is extremely devastating when these small banks go 
away, and that is why it is so important we are having this 
hearing today, to make sure our bank merger policy does not 
exacerbate the problem.
    Chair Warren. All right. Really powerful point. Let me see 
if I can pull this just a little bit and focus again on small 
businesses. So, let's say I own a small bakery in Sturbridge, 
Massachusetts, and I have an idea to open another bakery in 
another town, but I need a loan to be able to do that. Now 
maybe I had a hard time during the pandemic, my profits may 
have been spotty for a period of time, but I am optimistic that 
a new storefront is the best long-term investment for my 
business.
    Do you think I have a better chance of getting that loan 
from my local community banker, if I have one, than, say, Wells 
Fargo, that just moved into town?
    Ms. Harper. Oh, absolutely. I mean, big banks are set up to 
serve larger clients. That is where they make the most profit, 
and that is where their incentives lie. And small banks have 
the time, have the incentive to do the type of relationship 
lending that is going to serve small businesses. And we also do 
not need to think about those in a hypothetical. The data bears 
out that, in fact, the largest banks are only providing about 
18 percent of small business loans, where we see that community 
banks are providing about 50 percent.
    Chair Warren. Yeah, so think about that--wait--for one more 
minute. So, here they control all these assets, but in terms of 
how much of that money is making it back into communities and 
into small businesses, you are telling me--do the numbers one 
more time.
    Ms. Harper. Only 18 percent of the small business loans are 
actually coming from the larger financial institutions.
    Chair Warren. So, 82 percent are coming from the smaller 
financial institutions, community banks, and others.
    Ms. Harper. And others, yes. But at least 50 percent are 
coming from smaller community banks. And, you know, the other 
piece of evidence that I would point to is the PPP program. In 
terms of the pandemic, that was an opportunity where, in 
moments of extreme need by our small business community, which 
I think we are all aware of, the big banks did not step up. 
They were only providing 3 percent of those loans, and in fact, 
the community banks were providing about 30 percent.
    Chair Warren. Yeah. All right. Very interesting.
    So, I try to think about when community banks are gobbled 
up by bigger banks, small businesses, which generate about 44 
percent of all U.S. economic activity and create about two-
thirds of all jobs in this country, lose their primary source 
of capital. And that means less economic growth and more 
concentration throughout the economy.
    So, when Treasury Secretary Yellen and Acting Comptroller 
Hsu effectively put up a billboard inviting more big bank 
mergers, they claim it will help our financial system be safer, 
that that is the reason they are doing this. So, I want to 
probe that just a little bit here.
    Ms. Philo, we have decades of academic research on the 
relationship between mergers, bank concentration, and key 
indicators of financial stability. So, does this research show 
that mergers are the way to increase stability in the banking 
sector?
    Ms. Philo. Absolutely not, Senator. We saw, in the run-up 
to the 2008 crisis, in particular, but we have seen repeatedly 
in crisis environments that big bank merger do increase the 
risk of financial crisis. You have increasing complexity with 
the combining of large institutions. You have increase in 
concentrations, increase in interconnectedness and being 
entwined with the financial system.
    So, there are studies that actually document and analyze 
this, one, in particular, that is often referred to, showing 
that one large bank merger has negative repercussions greater 
than five combined smaller institutions with the same deposits.
    Chair Warren. Same deposit amount, the economic impact of 
the failure of one big bank is far greater than the economic 
impact of five smaller banks, even though the same dollar 
number of deposits is affected. Is that right?
    Ms. Philo. That is what the studies show, and these studies 
include from our agency partners as well. So, I mean, this is 
sort of well understood and documented.
    Chair Warren. OK. So, I also understand, from what you are 
saying, that mergers increase the risk of creating more banks 
that are too big to fail, right, because we keep moving up, 
bigger, bigger here, leaving taxpayers on the hook for bailing 
them out when they blow up and taking the economy down with 
them. So, that is more banks that can get away with playing the 
``tails, I win, heads, you lose'' game that banks have played 
for a very long time.
    Ms. Harper, do you agree with Secretary Yellen and Acting 
Comptroller Hsu that more mergers would make our financial 
system safer?
    Ms. Harper. No, not at all, and it is extremely 
disconcerting to hear them suggest that.
    Chair Warren. And how about you, Ms. Philo?
    Ms. Philo. No, exactly. Similar answer. It is concerning.
    Chair Warren. OK. Secretary Yellen and Acting Comptroller 
Hsu have it exactly backwards. Bank consolidation does not make 
our financial system and economy stronger. It makes them 
weaker. And if we are serious about protecting community banks 
and preventing taxpayer bailouts, then we need to fix the root 
of the problem, consolidation. Bank consolidation harms 
consumers, it deprives small businesses of capital, and it 
creates an ever-growing number of too-big-to-fail banks.
    Thank you. Senator Reed.
    Senator Reed. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman, and 
thank you to the witnesses.
    Ms. Philo, we have seen regulatory approvals of private 
equity-backed acquisitions of open insolvent banks. Why should 
banking agencies be skeptical of approving these merger 
acquisitions or applications, and what specific elements of 
private equity model are dangerous when applied to banking?
    Ms. Philo. Thank you, Senator Reed, for the opportunity to 
speak to this. It is deeply concerning, and I am going to quote 
a part of a letter the AFR put out there on April 21, 2022. 
``The private equity industry controls an ever-increasing 
portion of the U.S. economy. The extractive business model 
requires it acquire and consume more businesses and sectors 
every year. It has increased in size eightfold over the past 
two decades, from $700 billion in global assets in 2000, to 
$5.8 trillion in 2018.''
    So, I could continue, but I think what we have seen is 
private equity firms have different incentives, and when they 
come in and they acquire a bank or a health care organization 
or an insurance company, there is a propensity to put profit 
first and to squeeze as much profitability out of the 
arrangement as possible. And as we know, in the banking sector, 
that is not at all the intention, and I think obviously in 
health care as well.
    Senator Reed. And typically these banks are community 
banks, and with that kind of leadership, which is not community 
oriented, you do not get the same kind of attention to people, 
the people that are your customers. Is that accurate?
    Ms. Philo. I think that is exactly right. Private equity 
firms acquiring a community bank, coming in will not have that 
same commitment to the local economy, will not have the same 
understanding of the local economy, and will not prioritize it 
because it will not be aligned, most likely, with their efforts 
to increase the profitability of the business.
    Senator Reed. And there is another aspect, too, is that in 
situations of failed banks the FDIC will entertain offers for 
partial ownership by private equity. The alternative is to sell 
the institution to a peer bank. It seems, again, the same 
dangers of private equity we talked about in a full acquisition 
would be inherent in buying a piece of a bank. Is that 
accurate?
    Ms. Philo. That is accurate. I think you would have to be 
particularly vigilant in that context because, first, least 
cost could mean extremely inappropriate practices and put 
customers at risk in terms of the financial services and 
products offered. So, I do believe you will get a mismatch in 
terms of the objective of the banking organization that has 
been acquired and the needs of the community.
    Senator Reed. Let me change subjects for a moment. In the 
Dodd-Frank bill, which I participated in, we set a rule that 
the financial stability of the United States has to be 
considered in the merger calculation, the impact of the merger 
on the financial stability of the United States. But this 
factor has been unevenly apprised by agencies. Should that be 
more rigorous and transparent in establishing the criteria for 
this financial stability factor and explaining why the merger 
does not impact?
    Ms. Philo. I do believe that we should, and I think that is 
a really key lesson coming off of the 2023 crisis. SVB, in 
particular, Silicon Valley Bank, made an acquisition in the 
years prior to its failure, and the Federal Reserve, in 
approving that, did not, spoke to financial stability, signed 
off from a financial stability perspective, but said nothing 
about how that came across, what kind of data went into it. So, 
I think that is absolutely a priority, Senator.
    Senator Reed. Well, let me ask a question for both the 
witnesses here present. How does current bank merger framework 
evaluate AML practices, anti-money laundering practices, and 
cybersecurity risks when they look at the mergers? Ms. Harper.
    Ms. Harper. Well, and I think you are accurately 
identifying, that is one of the factors that should be 
considered in any merger review. But I also want to re-
emphasize, and building off of my colleague's comments, that 
there is a particular role that banks in our economy are 
supposed to play. It is a public role, and they are chartered 
to fulfill that role, which is moving capital and serving the 
interests of small businesses and consumers. And what we know, 
based on all of the evidence from the past several decades, 
where we have seen pulling away of enforcing the types of rules 
that would require considering things like money laundering is 
that it is leaving our financial system less stable and 
creating more harms for consumers and small businesses.
    So, that is why, at this point, we should have a very 
strong presumption against approval of mergers, and we really 
need to come back to the original vision of Congress to make 
sure that we are considering a whole set of harms in analyzing 
individual transactions.
    Senator Reed. Thank you. Ms. Philo, your comments, on 
cybersecurity in particular.
    Ms. Philo. Yes. I think it is a great question because 
there is no requirement to consider issues like that, and I 
think that it is an important part of the reforms that we are 
looking for to make sure that those tough questions are asked 
and that they are answered, both with the appropriate data and 
disclosure.
    Senator Reed. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam 
Chairman.
    Chair Warren. Thank you. I appreciate it, Senator Reed.
    So, I want to take a look at another issue, and that is the 
rapid consolidation of our banking system is not the result of 
some natural phenomenon, like gravity, that it just had to 
happen. It is the consequence of deliberate decisions by 
financial regulators that have made it easier for big banks to 
grow bigger by gobbling up their competitors. One place where 
these decisions have the biggest impact is in the bank merger 
review process, which determines whether a bank can merge with 
or buy up another bank.
    So, Ms. Philo, you have seen this process up close, so I 
thought maybe we could just walk through the basics on it. 
Let's go back to the bakery example here. So, if I own a bakery 
and I want to buy another bakery, two little bakeries in two 
little towns, and I have got the money, I can just go buy the 
other bakery. I can cut a deal with the current owner, the 
owner wants to retire, I can buy the bakery.
    That sounds fine, but if a bank wants to buy up another 
bank or merge with another bank, can they just go out and close 
the sale the same way they would if it were a bakery buying 
another bakery?
    Ms. Philo. Absolutely not, Senator. It is a very complex 
set of regulations and guidelines, and as we know, banking 
organizations, not just the ultra-large, are highly complex.
    So, no, banks merging is much more complex. They need 
authorization from the relevant agencies, whoever is their 
primary regulator.
    Chair Warren. So, they have to go to their regulator.
    Ms. Philo. Correct.
    Chair Warren. They have to tell their regulator what they 
want to do, fill out an application to be able to do it.
    Ms. Philo. A very elaborate application, if I might add. 
There is a very intensive, as you know, focus on deposits, and 
yet there is a vast array of other things considered as well. 
And there is a period of, one might expect, you know, a year-
plus where there is a review and an engagement with the 
regulators to review the merger.
    Chair Warren. OK. So, assuming we have a federally 
chartered bank here, which most banks are. So, the three 
regulators, the ones that you might have here, the OCC, the 
FDIC, or the Fed, depending on the size of the bank and who is 
the primary regulator, actually has to go through, look at all 
this information, and takes a year or so to go over the books 
to understand the local community and to look through before 
there is any approval of going forward with this bank merger. 
Is that right?
    Ms. Philo. That is correct. That is correct. There is also 
a DOJ review.
    Chair Warren. So, there is more.
    Ms. Philo. There is more.
    Chair Warren. That is not enough by itself. Go ahead.
    Ms. Philo. Absolutely. Once that has been completed and 
they worked out the application, the Department of Justice also 
reviews the application for its competitive effects.
    Chair Warren. OK. All right. So, a lot going on here. So 
DOJ Antitrust Division takes a look at it after the banking 
regulators have, and they have both got to sign off before you 
can go forward. OK. So, we have established that banks are a 
little different than bakeries.
    Ms. Philo. A little different.
    Chair Warren. Got it. So, banks file their application to 
merge and both DOJ, Department of Justice, and financial 
regulators are taking a look. Now the DOJ's Antitrust Division 
reviews all these deals and looks at them for anti-competitive 
effects, but a purchasing bank, the bank that is doing the 
buying, their main Federal regulator, that is their banking 
regulator, is ultimately responsible for approving or denying a 
deal. Is that right? So, Antitrust looks at it for its anti-
competitive effects, but the banking regulator is the one who 
gives the final yes or no. Is that right?
    Ms. Philo. That is correct.
    Chair Warren. OK. I just want to make sure I have got this.
    So here is what I want to focus on. Since it is the banking 
regulators that have both the initial information and the 
ultimate say-so on this, what are the banking regulators 
looking at? You have been in this world. What it is that you 
would evaluate if you were a banking regulator and asked to 
approve the merger of two banks? Talk to me about the kind of 
things you would be looking at.
    Ms. Philo. Absolutely. I think there is a great deal of 
discussion about deposits, and clearly that is a focus.
    Chair Warren. So, you would look at deposits.
    Ms. Philo. Yes, but there is a great deal more. Also we 
have talked about the anti-competitive effects. But we would 
quickly go to financial stability, especially for the larger 
banking organizations. We would also go to public interests and 
the benefit to customers and communities. And then last, and 
these are in the guidelines and required, financial managerial 
resources. So, is the firm's oversight and apparatus, the lines 
of defense and all that in order, and other financial resources 
there.
    Chair Warren. OK. So, what you are supposed to look at is 
actually set out in these merger review guidelines, right, and 
as you say, it is things like does it harm consumers, can 
management really be counted on here to run it, is the bank 
going to be stable, is it going to destabilize the access to 
banking in the region. And if the regulators believe that any 
of those harms could be caused by the merger, what are they 
supposed to do?
    Ms. Philo. They are supposed to factor that into the 
assessment.
    Chair Warren. Factor them into what?
    Ms. Philo. Into the assessment of whether to approve the 
acquisition.
    Chair Warren. And at least in theory, if there are 
problems, are they supposed to approve?
    Ms. Philo. No.
    Chair Warren. I want to make clear, this is the guidelines. 
At the end of the day they are not about saying, ``Boy, there 
are a lot of problems, but go ahead. Have a great time.''
    Ms. Philo. Right.
    Chair Warren. OK. So, they are supposed to deny.
    So, outlining this process that is designed to make sure 
that when a bank merges with another bank that is does not 
endanger our financial system, it does not harm consumers, it 
does not harm small businesses and their access to credit. 
These are very important goals.
    So, that suggests to me there should be a really high bar 
for approving a merger, and yet, let's look at the data. 
Somehow the FDIC, the OCC, and the Fed, the three regulators 
here, have basically never seen a merger they did not love. 
Since 2013, the FDIC has received more than 1,100 bank merger 
applications, and how many did they formally deny? A nice round 
number--zero.
    What about the OCC? Since 2013, the OCC has received nearly 
500 merger applications. How many of these did the OCC deny? 
Answer, zero.
    And things do not look great at the Fed either. Since 2006 
and 2021, a span of more than 15 years, the Fed has approved 
more than 3,500 merger applications and denied zero.
    In fact, out of the thousands of merger applications that 
have been filed over the last 20 years, just 1, and that was 
last year, was formally denied by regulators.
    So, let me ask the question this way. In fact, let's bring 
you in, Dr. Faulkender. Is it your view that out of the 
thousands of mergers that have been approved over the last 20 
yeas that none of them, or only one of them posed a threat to 
competition, a risk to financial stability, reduced options for 
consumers, more constrained borrowing for small businesses, or 
any of the other factors that regulators are required to 
consider?
    Mr. Faulkender. Thank you for the question, Senator. You 
know, I went to graduate school because I worked at a 
commercial bank and we got acquired, and that was what spurred 
me to go get a Ph.D. And I can tell you that what happened in 
that instance was that there was excessive consolidation in the 
area, and so what the regulators required was that there be 
spinoffs or selloffs, divestitures of certain branches.
    And so it is a little bit more complicated that the 
mergers, that none of them are denied. Usually what happens is 
that if they are approved, they are approved with restrictions 
like divestitures, in order to make sure that there is still 
sufficient local competition.
    Chair Warren. And are we confident that that is exactly 
what has happened?
    Mr. Faulkender. I have not reviewed every one of them. And 
let me say, Senator, I think my testimony revealed that I am 
very concerned about the lack of local information that is lost 
with acquisitions. I just hope we get a chance to also, though, 
talk about that that the biggest thing small banks suffer from 
is their inability to compete on technology. And so I think 
that where we could maybe have some conversation is how do we 
lower the cost of small and community banks competing with 
large banks on technology because of the economies of scale.
    Chair Warren. So, I think that is a very important point, 
Dr. Faulkender, and certainly something that I am sure folks in 
the banking industry who are trying to run these community 
banks are talking about.
    But let's face it. As long as the big boys are out there 
gobbling them up, there is not much time to talk about how you 
spend energy and resources building up your technology. When 
you are getting swallowed up, and the community banks are 
disappearing, as we see from the data here that they are, I 
think the consequences are pretty obvious, and I hope we can 
help the community banks.
    But part of this starts at the merger review level. So let 
me ask you, Ms. Philo, about your view about this. Of all these 
banks for which only one, in all this period of time, was 
formally denied a merger approval, do you think that none of 
them posed any risk or that there were enough other conditions 
put in place so that every one of the criteria were met, the 
criteria that are currently laid out in the merger review 
guidelines?
    Ms. Philo. I believe it would be hard to say that every 
single instance that we have from historically going back so 
many decades would have met every one of them, according to 
their specific criteria. I think that would be a stretch to 
imagine that.
    Chair Warren. Yeah. And, you know, I get it. People make 
mistakes. Regulators make mistakes. Human beings make mistakes. 
I understand that. But notice, if they are just random mistakes 
they will be mistakes in both directions. There will be some 
times when mergers will be disapproved that maybe would have 
been OK and not posed a risk, and there will be some times one 
will slip through that actually does cause harm to consumers or 
that cuts access to credit for small businesses.
    But when you see this kind of an approval rate, that is 
effectively 99.99 percent approval rate, you really have to say 
the system is tilted the wrong way, that we are not using a 
high enough bar in the current merger review guidelines.
    So, let me just do one more quick one and then I will give 
this over to Senator Van Hollen, and that is to focus in on a 
merger review guideline process that has effectively become a 
rubber stamp, and the banks know that it is a rubber stamp. 
Sure, there may be a little bit of song and dance around, ``Oh, 
we promise to do this in the local community,'' or ``We promise 
to do that,'' but no indication there is any particular follow-
up on this.
    So, in that context, President Biden, early in his term, 
called for tougher standards that apply real scrutiny to bank 
mergers. Ms. Harper, do you agree with President Biden that our 
bank merger guidelines need to be toughened up in order to keep 
both consumers, small businesses, and our financial system 
safe?
    Ms. Harper. Yes, and it is very encouraging, both what we 
are seeing from President Biden and also from the Department of 
Justice Antitrust Division that they intend to apply what is 
the statutory obligation, which is a holistic assessment of 
harms from any potential merger.
    Chair Warren. That they are actually going to follow the 
law.
    Ms. Harper. That is an idea, right?
    Chair Warren. There we go. Ms. Philo, how about you. Do you 
agree with President Biden on this?
    Ms. Philo. I absolutely agree with President Biden.
    Chair Warren. Good. You know, I am extremely disappointed 
that when I asked our nominees to the Federal Reserve board 
this same question recently, they refused to give a straight 
answer. I am seriously concerned that we are being presented 
with nominees to key roles regulating banks who cannot clearly 
state that they agree with President Biden that concentration 
in the banking industry is a serious problem.
    It is clear that our bank merger rules need to be tougher, 
and that I why I will soon reintroduce my Bank Merger Review 
Modernization Act, which would strengthen and modernize the 
bank merger review guidelines so that regulators actually do 
their job of protecting small banks, consumers, and our 
financial system from unchecked consolidation.
    I will keep pushing Congress to pass this bill, but this is 
one time that regulators do not have to wait on Congress. I am 
glad that banking regulators and the DOJ are following 
President Biden's directive to strengthen the bank merger 
review guidelines, which they can do under current law. Even 
so, it is time to get this review finished and get it out the 
door. We need our regulators to deliver even before those 
guidelines are out and certainly once the guidelines come out.
    Senator Van Hollen.
    Senator Van Hollen. Thank you, Senator Warren, and thank 
you for holding this hearing. Thank you to all our witnesses. 
Dr. Faulkender, it is great to have a University of Maryland 
Terp as part of the witness panel here.
    And I have been able to listen a little bit from my office 
to some of the testimony, and it reinforces the understanding 
that access to banking services is a really important indicator 
of wealth-building and prospects for being able to have a 
successful life where you can support your family. Obviously, 
that includes credit scores, access to lending to purchase a 
home, and other things like that in the testimony. And I think, 
Ms. Harper, you made the point that during the pandemic the PPP 
program became much more successful when we opened the doors 
and made it very clear that more community-based banks, CDFIs, 
and other entities should be conduits for the emergency 
funding. And you also cited the information about small 
business loans, I think 50 percent of small business loans 
coming from community-based banks versus the bigger banks.
    So, clearly access to community banking and local banking 
services is important for a variety of reasons, which is why I 
have been also troubled by the consolidation in this sector. If 
you look at the National Community Reinvestment Coalition 
reports they found that over the course of 2017 to 2021, the 
U.S. saw historic levels of bank branch closures. And the 
Baltimore metro area experienced the second-highest rate of 
branch closures during this period of time, losing 96 branches.
    And yes, we have, of course, seen more of a transition to 
technology, but we also know that there are lots of 
individuals--the elderly and lower-income individuals--who rely 
on that direct community banking relationship.
    So, my question to you, and I think you alluded to it 
earlier, Ms. Harper, is, in addition to denying individuals 
access to these sources of lending within the community, if 
that is not there they often do turn to predatory lenders and 
others that take advantage of them, and, in fact, that ends up 
costing them a lot more in the long run. Can you just elaborate 
a little bit more on that point?
    Ms. Harper. Absolutely, and thank you for the question, 
Senator. We do see that these harms of consolidation are 
exacerbated in communities where we have mostly minorities and 
rural areas as well, and those harms are vast. As you said, 
that I mentioned in my introductory remarks, that we see 
increased fees, junk fees that are imposed, even if we are just 
talking about the traditional system that is more likely to 
occur and disproportionately affects these communities.
    But then also, you know, rejection of mortgages, for 
example. A lot of lower-income folks who might be more likely 
to rely on an FHA-backed loan, rates of approval will decrease 
based on this lack of access to banking services.
    And so it is very critical that we do what we can to get 
back to congressional intent here, to recognize the harm.
    And I do want to get back to one of the references that the 
professor mentioned on economies of scale. What we do not see 
is evidence that we are addressing any of these harms of the 
economies of scale. So great to have better technology, but if 
it is ending up like what we saw in the merger of BB&T and 
SunTrust, that you immediately are closing 800 branches, that 
you have customers that are so upset because they cannot access 
good customer service that they are going to local news to 
complain about it, then what are we really getting here, and 
are we applying the right analysis in determining whether or 
not these transactions are actually going to, again, get back 
to the statutory obligation that they are not promoting anti-
competitive behavior and that they are serving the public role 
that the banking system is supposed to be fulfilling.
    Senator Van Hollen. Right. No, I think those are all good 
points, and I think the other challenge we have got, of course, 
is that when it comes to the nonbanking or the fintech sector, 
there are some good actors there but there are also many that 
take advantage of the fact that they do not have the same level 
of standards and regulations. In fact, obviously, that applies 
sector-wide. Some exploit that more than others.
    But can you just talk to the fact that one way maybe to a 
little better even the playing field here would be to apply 
some of the similar standards and rules to the nonbanking, 
fintech sector.
    Ms. Harper. Yeah. I think we definitely need to have level 
playing field in how we are thinking about all entities that 
are providing financial services to consumers. But ultimately 
the best way to create that competitive environment is exactly 
what the topic of today's hearing is, which is strong bank 
merger policy that is not exacerbating the consolidation, that 
is driving consumers to, which you rightly point out. There are 
some good products, but some that are more likely to hit when 
those banks go away, when those branch closures happen, are 
those that are predatory like payday lending and check cashing, 
et cetera.
    And so it is very important that we get this right, but it 
is not complicated. We have the rules of the road. Congress 
figured it out, and we just need to make sure we have banking 
regulators that are going to follow that course.
    Senator Van Hollen. Thank you. Thank you all for your 
testimony.
    Chair Warren. Thank you for questions.
    So, bank regulators' unwillingness to block bank mergers 
over the last few decades has made our banking system more 
concentrated. Bank regulators have also made the too-big-to-
fail problem even worse.
    During the 2008 crash, regulators arranged shotgun 
marriages between our Nation's biggest banks, which enhanced 
the dominance of the behemoths that rule our financial system 
today. In fact, JPMorgan can thank the regulators for its 
status as our Nation's biggest banks. Regulators arranged for 
JPMorgan to acquire Washington Mutual when it failed in 2008, 
thus catapulting JPMorgan to the top of the banking heap. A few 
months ago, America was treated to rerun of the get-bigger-
though-marriage show. The regulators approved JPMorgan's 
purchase of First Republic, so that America's biggest bank got 
$200 million bigger.
    Now Ms. Philo, when a troubled bank is on the verge of 
failing and the FDIC steps in, is the FDIC required to sell off 
the entire bank to another bank?
    Ms. Philo. No. It is required to look at least cost, but it 
is not required to sell the failed bank to another bank.
    Chair Warren. So, what else could it have done?
    Ms. Philo. It should evaluate the selling of the parts of 
the bank.
    Chair Warren. So, it could liquidate the bank.
    Ms. Philo. Correct.
    Chair Warren. It could sell it for parts.
    Ms. Philo. Correct.
    Chair Warren. Or it could sell it in whole to another 
bidder.
    Ms. Philo. Correct.
    Chair Warren. And when it is choosing among those options, 
what is it supposed to consider?
    Ms. Philo. It is supposed to consider the least cost, and 
that is a statutory requirement. And one of the challenges is 
that is a very narrow requirement. That is a requirement that 
focuses explicitly on the dollars and cents aspect, the cost, 
if you will, in currency terms. And yet what we are also 
realizing is critical is the need to consider financial 
stability, competition, and other issues that also have costs. 
So this focus on the dollars and cents part of the cost is 
concerning.
    Chair Warren. OK. So let me turn to you again, Dr. 
Faulkender. According to the least-cost test, if two banks put 
in a bid to buy the failed bank's assets and both of those 
amounts are less than the Deposit Insurance Fund would spend 
liquidating the bank, the FDIC would have to go with one of 
those bank's bids. Is that correct? That is what the least-cost 
test means?
    Mr. Faulkender. That is likewise my understanding, yes.
    Chair Warren. OK. So, Ms. Philo, if a bank, let's just say 
Bank A, will take over the failed bank assets with a bid that--
we could talk about these in bids, like someone is going to 
make money here. That is not actually what is going to happen--
with a bid that results in a $10 billion hit to the Deposit 
Insurance Fund, and Bank B would take over the failed bank with 
a bid that would cost the fund $11 billion, the FDIC, by law, 
has to accept which bid?
    Ms. Philo. The lower one.
    Chair Warren. The lower bid. The one that would cost the 
FDIC $10 billion rather than the one that would cost it $11 
billion. Is that right?
    Ms. Philo. Correct.
    Chair Warren. OK. All right. And you were saying earlier, 
and that is because the only thing that really comes into this 
part of the analysis is the dollars and cents part of this, 
right, just the dollars, on what is going to happen in this 
purchase.
    OK. So the question is, does the FDIC need more flexibility 
to evaluate options during the resolution process? And that is 
what I am trying to do in the Bank Merger Modernization Review 
Act. But I want to see if I can dig a little bit deeper into 
how the FDIC arrives at its conclusions right now. I think they 
ought to be able to consider some other factors, but let's just 
focus on what the law is right now.
    Ms. Philo, when the FDIC is comparing the loss to the 
Deposit Insurance Fund, that it is expected to result, from 
different resolution options--we have Bank A bidding and Bank B 
bidding--how does it actually determine those numbers, that one 
is going to cost $10 billion and one is going to cost $11 
billion?
    Ms. Philo. Sure. It needs to do the analysis and compare 
all alternatives. It needs to model the outcomes and compare 
all of the costs related with the transaction. This includes a 
present value basis, so traditional merger finance, a realistic 
discount rate, appropriate assumptions, and I think that is 
really key.
    Chair Warren. Oh, I love that. Only the appropriate 
assumptions. OK.
    Ms. Philo. You know, assumptions like the assumed interest 
rate obviously is a big one, assumptions around asset recovery, 
asset holding costs, contingent liabilities, et cetera, et 
cetera. The list goes on. Assumptions are important.
    Chair Warren. OK. So throughout this, though, it sounds 
like, depending on what assumptions you make on each one of 
these you are going to end up with somewhat different numbers, 
a lot of unknowns in this process, especially when we consider 
that banks may fail very quickly and that regulators are up all 
night scrambling to figure out what they are going to do.
    The FDIC may not have all of the information that it needs 
to accurately estimate the failing bank's assets, its 
liabilities, get them appropriately evaluated, and any tweak 
that you make to the assumptions could have a big impact on the 
ultimate outcome.
    So Ms. Philo, from your experience, is there a lot of room 
for these estimates to vary, or are these estimates, do they 
turn out to be pretty precise? What is your sense?
    Ms. Philo. These estimates absolutely do vary, and they are 
just that. They are estimates. Oftentimes, in traditional 
environment, they are based on using several methods and 
bringing them to bear and coming up with as much precision as 
possible. And yet there is a lot of variability, and we have 
seen that.
    We have seen that in the valuation, for example, of Merrill 
Lynch in the heat of the 2008 crisis. To your point, the 
valuation takes place not only under very extremely short 
timeframes, but in that environment, you know, crashing 
markets. So it is extremely difficult to value, and we have 
seen the results of that being extremely difficult, in terms of 
revisions after the fact, I think.
    Chair Warren. Yeah. I always think that the sample, I do 
not know if you remember it, but on the Wachovia Bank during 
the 2009 crisis, the FDIC's own numbers, their own staff said 
that the Wells Fargo bid would result in a cost to the fund of 
somewhere between $5.6 and $7.2 billion. That is a $1.6 billion 
range, but that is a lot of money in that range.
    So, that is how challenging this is for the regulator.
    I want to hit one last question here, Ms. Philo. Does the 
public have good information on the calculations that the FDIC 
made when comparing resolution options for a transaction?
    Ms. Philo. No, regrettably, we do not have details on the 
assumptions and the estimates that we would like to have, I 
think. We have had to take their word for it, essentially.
    Chair Warren. Yeah. So that is the position we are in. It 
just kind of turns into black box at the end of the day.
    You know, I do not think we ought to be taking the FDIC at 
its word. When making decisions about whether to sell a failed 
bank to a financial giant, or to a slightly smaller giant, the 
FDIC is relying on highly malleable estimates, not on gospel, 
and they get a free pass by saying their models prove that that 
was the least-cost alternative and the only way to resolve the 
bank under the law.
    The FDIC needs to provide more transparency around how it 
makes these decisions. If it truly was the case that a deal 
blew a $13 billion hole in the Deposit Insurance Fund, which is 
what happened when the FDIC allowed JPMorgan to book a $3 
billion profit on the deal when it was able to purchase First 
Republic, then the FDIC should have to show its math and prove 
that that really was the least-cost alternative.
    Every time a financial crisis hits, all the rules that are 
intended to protect against greater banking consolidation seem 
to evaporate, even though banking consolidation is what got 
into trouble in the first place. More big bank mergers is not 
the solution here, and we need regulators who understand that.
    I want to thank our witnesses for being with us today, for 
participating in our hearing. Questions for the record are due 
1 week from today. That is Wednesday, July 19th. For our 
witnesses, once those questions are in, you will have 45 days 
to respond to any questions.
    Again, thank you, and before I close I would like to enter 
into the record statements from Better Markets, the 
Massachusetts Bankers Association, the Credit Union National 
Association, and the Bank Policy Institute. We are grateful for 
their comments that help us better understand both what is 
happening right now with bank mergers and where we need to 
strengthen the bank merger guidelines. So with that this 
hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 3:43 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements and additional material supplied for 
the record follow:]
              PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIR ELIZABETH WARREN
    Good afternoon. I'm pleased to be chairing today's Economic Policy 
Subcommittee hearing on the economic impacts of bank consolidation. I 
appreciate our witnesses joining us, and Senator Kennedy's partnership 
in putting this hearing together.
    After the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent bank bailout, 
Congress passed the Dodd-Frank Act. The law was designed to ensure that 
giant banks could never again threaten our economy. But with the 
collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank, and First Republic 
Bank--three of the largest bank failures in our Nation's history--two 
things have become obvious.
    First, bank failures remain a serious threat to our economy, 
putting taxpayers at risk of footing multibillion-dollar bailouts if 
they go under. And second: regulators are courting disaster by 
continuing to encourage giant banks to grow even bigger. Treating 
mergers as a solution to financial instability increases that 
instability.
    The problem with megabanks goes well beyond the increased risk of 
blowing up the financial system. As big banks get even bigger, branch 
closures increase. This reduces the availability of bank services, and 
increases the cost of credit for small businesses and families.
    This problem can be life or death for small businesses that can't 
find anyone at a big bank who understands the local economy or the 
actual business that needs credit. The problem is also worse in lower-
income neighborhoods, where research shows predatory lenders and check-
cashers proliferate as bank consolidation rises.
    When banks merge, consolidation has ripple effects that cost jobs, 
lower household incomes, and slow economic growth in local economies. 
Bank consolidation may boost CEO pay and investor profits, but it hurts 
everybody else's quality of life.
    This problem seems obvious--and should be easy to fix. Congress 
spotted the problem long ago, and in 1960 passed the Bank Merger Act to 
give bank regulators, in consultation with the Department of Justice, 
the authority to block mergers that reduce competition, harm 
communities, or are not in the public interest.
    Yet somehow, astonishingly, between 2006 and 2021, the Federal 
Reserve approved more than 3,500 consecutive mergers without denying a 
single one--a streak that would make Cal Ripken and Lou Gehrig green 
with envy.
    The net result of regulators falling asleep at the switch is that 
since 1990, the number of banks in the U.S. has declined from over 
18,000 to less than 5,000.
    Meanwhile, the biggest banks have gotten bigger. In the mid-1990s, 
the 20 biggest banks in the country held 15 percent of all bank assets. 
Today, the top 20 hold more than 65 percent of all bank assets. And the 
concentration at the very top is even more extreme. The biggest four 
banks alone hold more assets than the next 75 banks combined.
    President Biden, to his credit, recognized this problem and is 
working to try to fix it. In his July 2021 Executive order on 
competition, he concluded that bank consolidation [quote] ``raises 
costs for consumers, restricts credit for small businesses, and harms 
low-income communities,'' and ordered banking regulators to update 
outdated and failed bank merger review policies.
    Two years later, we are finally on the cusp of seeing what those 
new merger guidelines are going to look like. Last month, Jonathan 
Kanter, the Justice Department's top antitrust enforcer, indicated that 
new guidelines would be coming soon--and that the Department would be 
giving much tougher scrutiny to mergers.
    That's good news. I hope these guidelines are out soon, and you 
better believe I want them to be tougher than the current rules.
    But I'm extraordinarily concerned about what we've seen in recent 
months from banking regulators. When First Republic Bank collapsed in 
April, the bank was ultimately sold to the biggest bank in America, JP 
Morgan Chase. That sweetheart deal cost the Federal Deposit Insurance 
Fund $13 billion.
    Meanwhile, overnight, the country's biggest bank got $200 billion 
bigger. And what happened to the regulators? The Acting Comptroller of 
the Currency, Michael Hsu, rubber stamped the deal in record time. When 
I asked Mr. Hsu at a hearing in May to explain how this merger was 
approved, he was unable to provide a clear answer.
    But the overall picture gets worse. Instead of inattentive 
regulators who don't use their tools to block increasing consolidation, 
leaders within the Biden administration seem to be inviting more 
mergers.

    In a May 2023 statement before the House Financial Services 
        Committee, Acting Comptroller Hsu reassured banks that the 
        agency would be [quote] ``open-minded'' while considering 
        merger proposals. And then earlier this week, he said, quote, 
        ``simply prohibiting all mergers of large banks really locks in 
        the concentration amongst the existing megabanks, and I don't 
        think that's the right answer,'' end quote.

    Treasury Secretary Yellen recently warned that the banking 
        ``turmoil'' from the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature 
        Bank, and First Republic might lead to more mergers and that 
        regulators would be--quote--``open to'' them. Then the New York 
        Times also reported that Secretary Yellen privately told big 
        banks that she would, and I quote, ``welcome more mergers.''

    These comments are stunningly wrongheaded. They indicate that key 
banking regulators have learned exactly the wrong lessons from the bank 
failures earlier this year and the 2008 financial crash before it. Too-
big-to-fail banks pose risks to stability of the financial system and 
increasing banking concentration puts a damper on small business growth 
across the country.
    We need effective regulation and bank supervision that prevent big 
banks from failing in the first place. We also need to police bank 
mergers to ensure that big banks have robust competition to ensure they 
are serving consumers and small businesses.
    I appreciate our witnesses being here to discuss how we can do 
that.
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                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF MORGAN HARPER
  Director of Policy and Advocacy, American Economic Liberties Project
                             July 12, 2023
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                PREPARED STATEMENT OF MICHAEL FAULKENDER
Dean's Professor of Finance and Chief Economist, University of Maryland 
                   and America First Policy Institute
                             July 12, 2023
    Chairwoman Warren, Ranking Member Kennedy, and Senators on the 
Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today on 
the importance of a safe, sound, resilient, and growth-facilitating 
financial system for our Nation. I have been a finance professor since 
2002, having published extensively on the capital raising activities of 
firms and previously was an Associate Editor at the Journal of Finance 
and the Journal of Financial Services Research. In addition, I had the 
privilege of serving as the Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy at 
the U.S. Department of the Treasury during the previous Administration. 
In that role, I worked closely with the Small Business Administration 
to quickly implement the Paycheck Protection Program and ensure that 
the economic devastation that might have resulted from the pandemic was 
not realized.
    Part of my team's work at Treasury was to engage with a vast array 
of lenders across our Nation to ensure that eligible small businesses 
were able to obtain their PPP funds. I worked closely with community, 
regional, and large banks, CDFIs, MDIs, credit unions and FinTechs to 
better understand the issues they were confronting and to resolve the 
challenges they and their borrowers were facing. In December 2020, 
Treasury worked closely with Congress on legislative updates to PPP, 
extension of a second round of loans for the hardest hit small 
businesses, and enactment of additional capital funding for CDFIs and 
MDIs.
    Historically, our Nation's economic strength has arisen from the 
ingenuity and dynamism of our private sector. Advancements in 
industries such as technology, pharmaceuticals, financial services, and 
entertainment disproportionately occur in the United States. This 
outcome is consistent with the academic literature that compares 
economic outcomes in different countries around the world and documents 
that ``a business environment that promotes competition, private 
property rights, and sound contract enforcement boosts economic 
growth.'' A critical part of that business environment is access to 
capital. Unlike Europe where the history of the banking sector was 
largely to facilitate the borrowings of Governments, in the United 
States, we have historically had a decentralized banking system to meet 
the needs of businesses and consumers.
    Significant economic growth originates from America's small 
businesses. According to data from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the 
U.S. Small Business Administration, small businesses account for 64 
percent of new jobs in the United States and the comprise 46 percent of 
U.S. employment. In a Nation as ethnically diverse and geographically 
dispersed as ours, a robust private sector comprised of millions of 
small businesses is essential to meet the heterogeneous needs and 
desires of our Nation.
    Indispensable to meeting the needs of U.S. small businesses has 
been the availability of credit from local and regional lenders. 
According to a recent Federal Reserve report, ``large banks tend to be 
proportionately less committed than smaller banks to small business 
lending.'' Smaller banks with less than a billion dollars in assets on 
average had loan portfolios in June 2021 that were more than 13 percent 
comprised of small business loans. That figure was just 6 percent for 
the largest banks.
    To understand why this disparity exists, it is helpful to employ a 
dichotomy used in the academic banking literature--the difference 
between hard and soft information. As my coauthor Mitchell Petersen 
defines it, hard information is knowledge that can be ``easily reduced 
to numbers.'' On the other hand, soft information ``requires a 
knowledge of its context to fully understand, and that becomes less 
useful when separated from the environment in which it was collected.'' 
Things like FICO scores, debt-to-income ratios, and collateral values 
are hard information that can just as easily be evaluated from across a 
desk as from across the country. The unique needs of a local demography 
and why a particular business model is viable in a particular geography 
is much more difficult to translate numerically and communicate in a 
large, hierarchical organization. That is why access to financing at 
the local level depends on a robust network of financial institutions 
with local roots, not just a handful of national megabanks.
    The other factor at play has been the innovation of technology and 
telecommunications. The last 50 years have seen extraordinary 
advancements in computing power and the speed with which information 
moves at ever lower cost. Within financial services, we have witnessed 
the deployment of ATMs around the Nation. Online and mobile banking 
means that depositing checks and paying bills is faster and more 
convenient than ever. Customers can now make deposits from anywhere in 
the country, access their money 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, easily 
transfer money between accounts, and pay bills from their computer or 
their phone. Lending underwriting models can now be programmed with 
borrower information verified entirely electronically and credit 
decisions issued nearly instantaneously. What we must understand about 
the economics of creating these ATM networks, online platforms, and 
lending systems is that they have large fixed-development costs and low 
variable costs, resulting in enormous returns to scale that make a 
partial shift toward larger banks something to be expected. The cost of 
creating the online platform is substantial for the first customer with 
almost zero incremental cost for the second.
    Individual States and the U.S. Congress recognized the benefits of 
these technological and communication advances, green lighting the 
realization of such scale economies when it facilitated intrastate 
branching and later interstate banking. However, an important 
implication is that we now have greater concentration of banking 
activity than ever, with four megabanks serving nearly 48 percent of 
the Nation's deposits in 2022. According to the FDIC, in 1934, there 
were 14,146 commercial banks in the United States. That number stayed 
above 13,000 between 1934 and 1984 when the number of commercial banks 
in our Nation peaked at 14,496. Since 1984, that number has declined 
every single year down to 4,136 in 2022, a decline of more than 71 
percent.
    This enormous consolidation creates new challenges. Returning to 
the intersection of the information environment with advancements in 
technology, an equilibrium has emerged where hard information banking 
activities are being done primarily by large scale, multitrillion 
dollar banks who can easily incorporate numerical inputs into lending 
decisions. However, this model does not work for soft information 
loans. Some of the necessary information is lost as scale increases due 
to the difficulty of passing that information through a large 
organization.
    Critical banking activities that rely on soft information are where 
community and regional banks are pivotal. Local knowledge requires 
local decision-making. Bankers in New York do not necessarily 
understand the local needs of Baton Rouge, LA, just as bankers in San 
Francisco may not know the lending opportunities in western 
Massachusetts. Local and regional bank executives and their boards 
constantly strive to find the balance between deploying the 
technological advances their customers require at an affordable cost 
while maintaining credit allocation decisions among those with the best 
information. We must ensure a vibrant ecosystem for providers of soft-
information loans and not allow our concerns about systemic risks from 
large institutions to create extraordinary burdens for the primary 
capital providers to America's thriving small businesses.
    This raises the third major factor banks must contend with--the 
evolving regulatory environment. Following the financial crisis, 
Congress enacted Dodd-Frank to impose greater requirements on the 
banking sector. In my view, this approach was misguided in numerous 
ways:
    First, it presumes that financial regulators will be able to stay 
ahead of the banks they supervise. As the recent collapses of Silicon 
Valley Bank and First Republic Bank demonstrate though, if bank 
supervisors cannot identify and address simple interest rate risk and 
duration imbalances at the banks it oversees, how can we rely upon them 
to stave off more complicated risks from exotic derivatives or lending 
activities to new industries? This problem is compounded when banks 
have an incentive to complicate or obfuscate their operations.
    Second, it causes the banking sector to be more uniform, as Tyler 
Goodspeed and I discussed in a recent Wall Street Journal opinion 
piece. One of the historical strengths of our financial system has been 
its vast number of participants and heterogeneity of business models. 
This means that when one bank fails, others are not identically weak. 
The overall system benefits from different banks pursuing different 
technologies, customer segments, and underwriting models. When 
regulators replace the judgment of the banks with their own, regulatory 
failures that over-emphasize credit risk and under-emphasize interest 
rate risk, for example, cause common shocks that put the entire system 
in greater jeopardy. For our largest institutions, I believe that the 
solution is greater capital, not greater bureaucracy. When investors 
have more of their own money at risk, they will force bank management 
to manage the risk they create better than any bank regulator.
    Third, the systemic risk exception on deposit insurance has proven 
extraordinarily problematic. The Treasury Secretary's recent decision 
to declare uninsured deposits to be covered even though the banks 
clearly were not systemic means that depositors no longer have reason 
to discipline the banks at which they place their money. Imposing 5 
percent haircuts on the deposits of large technology companies, private 
equity funds, foreign depositors, and wealthy individuals would have 
sent a message that chasing yield with uninsured deposits is risky and 
sometimes results in losses. Instead, the outcome is that regional 
banks have seen significant deposit losses with some of those funds 
flowing to large banks, making them even larger. Statutory language 
implicitly saying that large banks have a more robust deposit guarantee 
than community and regional banks causes exactly the concentration of 
risk that policymakers should avoid. I agree that we need to take 
another look at deposit insurance and perhaps guarantee non-interest-
bearing transaction accounts so that American workers can be sure that 
paychecks written on bank accounts with balances above the deposit 
limit are protected. Nowhere should law or policy provide differential 
deposit insurance based on the size of the bank.
    Fourth, uniformly applying regulation and supervisory tactics to 
all banks when only the largest pose particular types of risk make 
small and regional banks less competitive. Large banks have the scale 
to implement large fixed-cost regulatory compliance obligations 
economically. This is why during the Trump administration, we raised 
the threshold for heightened supervision to $250 billion in assets 
while allowing supervisors discretion to extend such requirements to 
banks as small as $100 billion in assets. Such a bank without a chief 
risk officer for 8 months certainly should have received that 
heightened supervision. However, even if SVB had undergone the Fed's 
stress test, it would have passed because stress tests in 2022 focused 
on credit risk and ignored the 40-year high inflation caused by 
Congress' excessive spending. However, it is not just what statutes and 
regulations say that create problems. When bank supervisors request 
that small banks comply with more onerous requirements because they are 
``best practices'', even though they are not mandated, compliance costs 
rise, and small banks are less economical.
    Finally, bank regulation must make it easier for new banks to enter 
into existence. Since 2010, only 62 new FDIC-insured banks have been 
chartered in the United States, which is why we have seen the number of 
banks decline so dramatically in the last 40 years. Another of my 
former coauthors, Mark Flannery, served as Chief Economist at the 
Securities and Exchange Commission during the Obama administration. He 
pointed out a paradox in financial regulation that greater regulation 
may actually result in the average dollar being less regulated. The 
more that we make it difficult to comply with regulation, the more 
money goes into shadow banking. Passing on stricter mandates to our 
Nation's banks may instead result in marginal funds going to less 
regulated credit unions or unregulated FinTechs without necessarily 
making depositors or the system safer. This is why it is appropriate 
that we ask our regulators to work with industry and academics to 
identify the impediments to de novo banking so that greater bank entry 
might partially offset consolidation.
    With regard to the bank merger review process, I think it is 
important that we give greater thought to the definition of local and 
regional competition. Lending activities of credit unions and FinTechs 
should be accounted for in determining the changes in market power that 
may be caused by a combination of banks. Regulated depository 
institutions and lenders who serve a locality online without a physical 
footprint are likewise competitors who should be acknowledged. 
Additionally, I agree with maintaining the current language in the law 
that requires the FDIC to accept the bid that is least costly to the 
insurance fund when resolving a failed bank. That said, we should make 
sure that the prospect of FDIC loss sharing guarantees do not delay 
mergers of poor performing banks to the detriment of the insurance 
fund.
    Our banking system must continue innovating the provision of 
financial services to improve access, lower costs, and safeguard 
financial information. This means that there will be numerous large 
institutions realizing significant economies of scale engaged in hard 
information lending activities. Policymakers and regulators must ensure 
that there are enough of these banks to maintain significant 
competition so that no single bank is able to exert market power. From 
a systemic risk management standpoint, we should not assume that 
regulators will have the information and sophistication necessary to 
stay ahead of the banks' activities. Instead, we should require that 
systemically important financial institutions are highly capitalized so 
that they have the internal incentives to mitigate risk. Much of what 
regulators monitor should be left to the owners of these banks--let 
capital do the work of regulators. This would also greatly reduce the 
compliance burdens on small and regional banks who cannot afford the 
fixed costs of the regulatory apparatus and still compete.
    While the efficiency of scale may be tempting, top-down command and 
control by Government over what products Americans can purchase, what 
loans can be extended, and how companies must operate curtails the 
ability of entrepreneurs to serve our fellow citizens. We must return 
these decisions to the private sector.
    I look forward to participating in this important conversation.
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                   PREPARED STATEMENT OF ALEXA PHILO
         Senior Policy Analyst, Americans for Financial Reform
                             July 12, 2023
    Thank you Chair Warren and Ranking Member Kennedy for the 
opportunity to testify today. I want to talk about the dangers of 
excessive concentration and the need for the banking agencies to 
swiftly update and more rigorously apply their bank merger review 
frameworks.
    President Biden issued an Executive order on Promoting Competition 
in the American Economy that encouraged the banking agencies to review 
current practices and adopt a plan, no later than 180 days after his 
issuance of Executive order to revitalize merger oversight. \1\ 
President Biden's order made it clear: this is the time to fight 
consolidation, not facilitate it. However, almost 2 years later, the 
agencies have yet to publish new guidelines. They have not gotten 
tougher in the ways needed to stop blithely approving mergers and start 
conducting robust assessments of bank mergers that properly scrutinize 
impacts on communities, market competition, and financial system 
stability.
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     \1\ President Joseph R. Biden. ``Executive Order on Promoting 
Competition in the American Economy''. July 2021.
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    We at Americans for Financial Reform (AFR) are deeply concerned 
about concentrated power in banking, and the wave of bank mergers and 
acquisitions that have facilitated it, mergers and acquisitions 
approved by the Federal bank regulators, not just in the last several 
years, but over the past few decades. Bank consolidation has produced 
historically high concentration in the U.S. financial sector. The 
number of U.S. banks has plummeted from 18,000 in the 1980s to less 
than 5,000 today. \2\ More than three-quarters of local banking markets 
were considered uncompetitive in 2021, with a Herfindahl-Hirschman 
Index (HHI) exceeding the DOJ's threshold for ``high concentration.'' 
Nonetheless, Federal bank regulators have not formally rejected a 
merger application in over 15 years. \3\
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     \2\ As of March 31, 2023, there were 4,096 commercial banks, 
including 4,096 commercial banks and 576 savings and loan associations 
in the U.S. insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) 
with U.S.$23.7 trillion in assets. ``FDIC Quarterly''. Federal Deposit 
Insurance Corporation.
     \3\ Kress, Jeremy C. ``Modernizing Bank Merger Review''. 37 Yale 
Journal on Regulation. 2021.
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    On the contrary, approval rates for bank mergers have reached 
record highs, as the agencies have waved through mergers more quickly 
than ever. \4\ In 2021, the fifth-biggest bank in the country, U.S. 
Bancorp announced an agreement to acquire MUFG Union Bank for $8 
billion. \5\ This and other megamergers have resulted in growing 
concentration in the banking sector, which, in turn, has harmed 
consumers and small businesses, undermined financial stability, and 
negatively impacted consumer privacy.
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     \4\ Supra n. 2 at p. 445.
     \5\ AFR and CRL Letter sent to the Fed on TD Bank/First Horizon 
Bank Merger and Overdraft Fees (ourfinancialsecurity.org).
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    Civil rights and consumer financial justice organizations including 
AFR raised concerns about abusive overdraft practices in particular as 
an example of serious consumer harms that needed to be taken into 
account, along with systemic risk and consolidation issues, around TD 
Bank's application to merge with First Horizon. The banks ultimately 
announced the termination of their merger agreement, citing uncertainty 
about regulatory approval.
    The agencies' history of rubber-stamping bank mergers has come at a 
cost, with marginalized and rural communities disproportionately 
affected. The Bank Merger Act and Bank Holding Company Act require the 
banking agencies to consider the convenience and needs of the 
community. To fulfill this statutory obligation, regulators need to 
evaluate holistically how bank consolidation can harm consumers in 
general and low- and moderate-income (LMI) neighborhoods in particular, 
including in light of past experience on how mergers have harmed small 
businesses, community banks, and households, especially those in BIPOC 
(Black, Indigenous, and people of color) and rural communities.
    Bank mergers have reduced availability of credit, increased fees 
for basic banking services, and lowered the interest rates offered to 
depositors. \6\ These adverse effects are even more pronounced in 
communities of color and LMI communities where bank consolidation has 
led to significant branch closures. \7\ The vast majority of bank 
customers still rely on in-person branches for access to banking 
services; thus closures allow high-fee check cashing and predatory 
financial firms to step in. \8\ Furthermore, many merging banks have a 
history of poor consumer protection safeguards. \9\
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     \6\ Bord, Vitaly M. ``Bank Consolidation and Financial Inclusion: 
The Adverse Effects of Bank Mergers on Depositors''. December 2018 at 
6-9.; Mark J. Garmaise and Tobias J. Moskowitz. ``Bank Mergers and 
Crime: The Real and Social Effects of Credit Market Competition''. 61 
J. Fin. 495, 509-14 2006.
     \7\ Dymski, Gary A. ``The Bank Merger Wave: The Economic Causes 
and Social Consequences of Financial Consolidation''. Review of 
Industrial Organization Vol. 19. No.4. Pp. 249-50. December 2001.
     \8\ Supra n. 7. Bord. Pp. 23-25.
     \9\ Dymski, Gary A. ``The Bank Merger Wave: The Economic Causes 
and Social Consequences of Financial Consolidation''. Review of 
Industrial Organization. Vol. 19. No.4. Pp. 249-50. December 2001.
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    One study found that Black mortgage applicants are less likely to 
get mortgages in counties where bank mergers occur and that 
divestitures from mergers exacerbate racial mortgage disparities. \10\ 
Additionally, merging banks tend to reduce their mortgage lending after 
completing a deal and the decline in mortgage lending is more 
pronounced to Black borrowers. A 2020 study found that while merging 
banks made more loans to prime borrowers, they curtailed lending to 
subprime borrowers after the merger. \11\ These impacts are felt most 
strongly among Black and Hispanic mortgage applicants and already 
underserved communities. \12\
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     \10\ Gam, Yong Kyu, and Yunqi Zhang. Southwestern University of 
Finance and Economics and Nankai University. ``Dismembered Giants: Bank 
Divestitures, Local Lending, and Housing Markets''. 55th American Real 
Estate and Urban Economics Association. January 2019. Pp. 4 and 41.
     \11\ Ratnadiwakara, Dimuthu, and Vijay Yerramilli. Louisiana State 
University and University of Houston. ``Effect of Bank Mergers on the 
Price and Availability of Mortgage Credit''. September 2020. P. 21.
     \12\ Id. at pp. 1 and 6.
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    Bank mergers continue to drive large numbers of branch closures, 
and this disparately affects places where few branches existed, 
especially rural areas and low-income urban areas. \13\ Between 2008-
2016, 86 new banking deserts were created in rural areas, according to 
a study by the National Community Reinvestment Coalition (NCRC). \14\ 
An updated study showed that bank mergers account for at least some 
branch closures. For example, BB&T and SunTrust Banks closed 565 (16.5 
percent) branches nationally due to their merger into what is now 
Truist Bank.\14\
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     \13\ Jad Edlebi. NCRC Research. ``Bank Closure Update (2017-
2020)''. Accessed September 2022.
     \14\ NCRC. ``Bank Branch Closures From 2008-2016: Unequal Impact 
in America's Heartland''. Accessed September 2022. Supra n. 7.
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    Additionally, bank mergers have been tied to broader community 
harms, including increases in evictions, increasing rates of debts sent 
to collection agencies, and even rising property crimes. \15\
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     \15\ Supra n. 7. Bord, Pp. 30-32; Garmaise and Moskowitz, Pp. 518-
523.
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    Bank mergers' harmful effects also extend to small businesses. 
Community banks have traditionally specialized in lending to local 
entrepreneurs and farmers. When banks consolidate, however, small 
business lending declines, as bigger banks tend to serve larger 
commercial customers. Thus, bank mergers have hurt small businesses by 
reducing the supply of credit, \16\ and increasing the cost of credit. 
\17\ Small business lending is particularly affected when a community 
bank is acquired by a nonlocal bank. \18\ Scholars have linked bank 
consolidation to lower rates of small business formation and adverse 
effects for their local economies, including decreases in commercial 
real estate development, new construction, and local property values. 
\19\ Communities affected by bank mergers also suffer rising 
unemployment, declines in median income, and rising income inequality. 
\20\ These damaging impacts historically have disproportionately 
disadvantaged people of color, women, people with limited English 
proficiency as individuals as well as the communities where these 
people live.
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     \16\ Berger, Allen N., et al. ``The Effects of Bank Mergers and 
Acquisitions on Small Business Lending''. 50 J. Fin. Econ. 187, 217, 
222. 1998; Craig, Steven G., and Pauline Hardee. ``The Impact of Bank 
Consolidation on Small Business Credit Availability'', 31 Journal of 
Banking and Finance 1237, 1248-58. 2007; Sapienza, Paola. ``The Effects 
of Banking Mergers on Loan Contracts''. 57 Journal of Finance 329, 364. 
2002.
     \17\ Supra n. 7. Garmaise and Moskowitz, P. 515; Supra n. 12, 
Sapienza, pp. 329, 364.
     \18\ Jagtiani, Japa, and Raman Quinn Maingi. ``How Important Are 
Local Community Banks to Small Business Lending? Evidence From Mergers 
and Acquisitions''. Pp. 18-20. Working Paper. Revised August 2019.
     \19\ Supra n. 7. Garmaise and Moskowitz, P. 515.
     \20\ Id. at p. 518.
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    Bank Mergers exacerbate systemic risk. As the Federal Reserve's own 
research demonstrates, distress at one large bank poses a significantly 
greater systemic risk than distress at a number of smaller banks with 
equivalent total assets. \21\ Due to recent mergers, PNC, Truist, and 
Capital One are now bigger than Washington Mutual, Countrywide, and 
National City when they failed in the 2008 financial crisis. \22\ Large 
bank mergers can exacerbate existing problems, such as the ``too-big-
to-fail'' dynamic, as well as related problems, such as when banks 
become ``too-big-to-manage.'' \23\ ``Too big to fail'' describes a firm 
that is so deeply ingrained in an economy that its failure would be 
disastrous to that economy. Too-big-to-fail status can distort 
competition in banking markets by allowing large conglomerates to enjoy 
more favorable financing than their smaller rivals. \24\
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     \21\ Lorenc, Amy G., and Jeffery Y. Zhang. ``The Differential 
Impact of Bank Size on Systemic Risk'', Fed. Reserve Bd. Fin. and Econ. 
Discussion Series, Working Paper No. 2018-066, 2018. Pp. 12-18.
     \22\ Wilmarth, Arthur E. ``Raising SIFI Threshold to $250B Ignores 
Lessons of Past Crises''. American Banker. Feb 2018.
     \23\ Kress, Jeremy, C. Kress, ``Solving Banking's `Too Big To 
Manage Problem' ''. 104 Minnesota Law Review 171. 2019. Pp. 186-192.; 
Menard, Lev. ``Too Big To Supervise: The Rise of Financial 
Conglomerates and the Decline of Discretionary Oversight in Banking'', 
103 Cornell Law Review, Pp. 1527, 1583. 2019.
     \24\ Balasubramnian, Bhanu, and Ken B. Cyree. ``Has Market 
Discipline Improved After the Dodd-Frank Act?'', 41 Journal of Banking 
and Finance. Pp. 155, 165. 2014; Acharya, Viral V., et al. Working 
Paper No. 79700. ``The End of Market Discipline? Investor Expectations 
of Implicit Government Guarantees''. February 2016. Pp. 30-33.
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    The mergers that came as a result of the 2023 banking crisis 
further fueled ``too-big-to-fail'' and ``too-big-to-manage'' risks. 
During the 2023 crisis triggered by SVB, the agencies acknowledged 
systemic risks of megabanks getting too big to manage and the 
Government subsidy in the form of an implicit too-big-to-fail backstop 
that the Government provides to the biggest banks when they or their 
key markets are in distress.
    However, too-big-to-fail risk was amplified with JPMorgan Chase's 
acquisition of First Republic, which inflated the size of JPMorgan, 
already the Nation's largest bank, by $200 billion. Financial analysts 
hailed it as the firm's ``best deal in decades,'' estimating the deal 
could hand JPMorgan another $1 billion annually. \25\ While the 
transaction received regulatory approval from the FDIC--required by law 
to accept the highest bid and lowest cost to the Deposit Insurance 
Fund--it also was approved by the OCC, which is legally obligated to 
consider whether the proposed transaction poses a risk to the stability 
of the financial system due to an increase in size of the combining 
institutions.
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     \25\ `` `First Republic (FRC) May Be Best JPMorgan (JPM) Deal in 
Decades', Dick Bove Says''--Bloomberg, Breanna Bradham, May 1, 2023.
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    As a result, JPMorgan's acquisition of First Republic bank was 
approved without reckoning with ``too-big-to-fail'' and ``too-big-to-
manage'' risks to the financial system and the public. \26\ The 
American public would be better served by the agencies evaluating 
``emergency'' sales through a lens broader than just the least cost to 
the insurance fund, including the resulting effects on financial 
stability, ability to effectively manage the combined entity, 
anticompetitive impacts, and other negative economic consequences not 
beneficial to communities served or the economy. The least cost 
calculation criteria should also be more transparent.
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     \26\ `` `First Republic (FRC) May Be Best JPMorgan (JPM) Deal in 
Decades', Dick Bove Says''--Bloomberg, Breanna Bradham, May 1, 2023.
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    It is also worth noting that, when the Fed assessed SVB's 
acquisition of Boston Private Bank in 2018, it discussed the risk to 
financial stability only qualitatively, did not disclose any 
quantitative metrics used and did not disclose any assessment of the 
impact of the merger on the communities that the acquired bank served. 
The Fed approved SVB's application and, without having shown its work, 
noted that the resulting ``organization would not be a critical 
services provider or so interconnected with other firms or markets that 
it would pose significant risk to the financial system in the event of 
financial distress.'' This was a conclusion that subsequent events 
proved to be quite wrong.
Needed Actions
    We strongly urge the banking agencies to act swiftly to strengthen 
the Bank Merger Guidelines and be full-throated and clear that robust 
regulation and competition, not consolidation, will lead to a 
healthier, safer, and more vibrant financial system.
    Those opposed would have us believe that we need deregulation to 
check concentration, pointing to failures to effectively supervise SVB. 
We disagree. A supervisory failure does not, as some would have us 
believe, indict all supervision as being ineffective. It argues for 
stronger regulation and effective supervision. As the Fed's analysis 
noted, specific DE-regulatory choices, urged by banks and their trade 
associations, led to the oversight failures that enabled SVB's 
excessively risky actions and led to its failure. Also regulations to 
promote competition, level playing fields and oversee systemic risk do 
not categorically squelch innovation and heterogeneity of business 
models; they can in fact do the opposite.
    As the recent crisis reminded us once again, banks are profoundly 
subsidized by the public, and they must function to serve the needs of 
the American people and businesses, not the other way around--and it is 
regulators' critical task to ensure this is so. We recommend the 
following actions to reduce the risks of dangerous concentration and 
promote a safer more competitive financial system:
Banking Agencies
    The banking agencies should pause merger approvals until 
        their Bank Merger Guidelines are strengthened.

    The banking agencies should work together to conduct a 
        retrospective analysis of the impact of prior banking mergers 
        on consumers and communities, including with regard to the 
        costs and prices of banking products, the availability and 
        quality of credit for households and small businesses.

    The banking agencies should fulfill their statutory 
        obligation to determine how a proposed merger will benefit the 
        needs of its community with a robust Community Benefits 
        Assessment. This assessment should consider other relevant 
        factors in addition to a bank's CRA rating such as: 
        guaranteeing that a merger is in the public interest by 
        requiring CFPB approval if consumer products are involved; 
        requiring disclosure of discussions between the institutions 
        and regulators pre-filing of a merger application; requiring 
        regulators to examine the anticompetitive effects on individual 
        products; and requiring an evaluation of merger impact on 
        product quality or potential exploitation of consumers.

    The banking agencies should demand evidence during the 
        merger review process that mergers will produce measurable 
        benefits to impacted consumers such as expanding credit, 
        lowering fees, expanding product offerings and increasing 
        access to low cost bank products and services, especially in 
        BIPOC communities.

    The supervising banking agency(ies) should evaluate, in 
        coordination with Federal and State banking agencies, and State 
        AGs, the potential negative impact proposed mergers could have 
        on systemic risk including wholesale investment banking, 
        managerial competence, and compliance with consumer protection 
        and other banking laws.

    The banking agencies should apply appropriate skepticism 
        for banks subject to enforcement actions or with large numbers 
        of consumer complaints at the FTC and the CFPB and coordinate 
        to review the consumer protection and fair lending record of 
        proposed merging banks, the cost structure and availability of 
        account and loan products, the performance serving lower-income 
        applicants and applicants of color in providing mortgage, small 
        business, and other loan products.

    The banking agencies and DOJ should more rigorously enforce 
        and monitor Fintech companies and major tech platforms that 
        enter into quasi-banking businesses for anti-trust concerns 
        related to product tying, collusion, vertical mergers and 
        arrangements as well as horizontal mergers between fintechs.
Department of Justice
    The DOJ should lower the HHI threshold for enhanced 
        scrutiny of proposed mergers.

    The DOJ should determine whether common ownership of banks 
        by large asset managers causes competitive harms in ways not 
        captured in the current HHI analysis.
Federal Deposit Insurance Corp
    The banking agencies and Congress should include 
        consideration of other criteria such as impact on systemic risk 
        and on communities and small businesses. The FDIC should assess 
        ways to improve least cost decision criteria, at a minimum, to 
        make it more transparent.
Federal Reserve
    For any firm offering deposit-like obligations via online 
        platforms, the Federal Reserve or other relevant agency should 
        regulate these products as deposits so they can not be issued 
        without the approval of banking regulators.

    To conclude, the above proposals are needed to protect the American 
public and combat the hands-off approach to merger reviews that has 
resulted in increased consolidation and inflicted substantial harm on 
the economy, small businesses and communities, rural and Black, 
Indigenous, (and) People of Color communities.
    Thank you for your time and consideration of these points. We would 
greatly value your support.
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