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                                                        S. Hrg. 118-374
 
                      IIJA INVESTMENTS IN HABITAT
                       AND ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION,
                  POLLINATORS, AND WILDLIFE CROSSINGS

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                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            DECEMBER 6, 2023

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               COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

                  THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware, Chairman
          SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia, Ranking Member

BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland         KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont             CYNTHIA M. LUMMIS, Wyoming
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island     MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
JEFF MERKLEY, Oregon                 PETE RICKETTS, Nebraska
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts      JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas
DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan            ROGER WICKER, Mississippi
MARK KELLY, Arizona                  DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
ALEX PADILLA, California             LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina
JOHN FETTERMAN, Pennsylvania

               Courtney Taylor, Democratic Staff Director
               Adam Tomlinson, Republican Staff Director
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                            DECEMBER 6, 2023
                           OPENING STATEMENTS

Carper, Hon. Thomas R., U.S. Senator from the State of Delaware..     1
Capito, Hon. Shelley Moore, U.S. Senator from the State of 
  Virginia.......................................................     3

                               WITNESSES

Williams, Hon. Martha , Director, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.     5
    Prepared statement...........................................     8
    Responses to additional questions from Senators:
        Whitehouse...............................................    18
        Markley..................................................    19
Fouch, Hon. Brian, P.E., Associate Administrator for Federal 
  Lands, Federal Highway Administration..........................    21
    Prepared statement...........................................    23
    Responses to additional questions from Senators:
        Carper...................................................    27
        Markley..................................................    30


IIJA INVESTMENTS IN HABITAT AND ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION, POLLINATORS, AND 
                           WILDLIFE CROSSINGS

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                      WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2023

                                       U.S. Senate,
                 Committee on Environment and Public Works,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works 
Washington, DC.
    The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:01 a.m. in 
room 406, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Thomas R. Carper 
(chairman of the committee) presiding.
    Present: Senators Carper, Capito, Whitehouse, Merkley, 
Kelly, Padilla, Ricketts, Boozman, and Sullivan.

          OPENNG STATEMENT OF HON. THOMAS R. CARPER, 
            U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF DELAWARE

    Senator Carper. Good morning, everyone. We are pleased to 
call this hearing to order.
    As you know, we have gathered today to examine several of 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's investments in habitat and 
ecosystem restoration. As we do so, we are privileged to have 
leaders from two key agencies join us to discuss our shared 
goals of supporting infrastructure development, while also 
protecting important wildlife habitat.
    With that, I want to begin by welcoming Martha Williams. 
Usually, we don't ask witnesses to testify under oath, but 
since it is your birthday today and we are interested in 
finding how old you are----
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Carper. No, seriously, happy birthday and thank you 
for spending your birthday with all of us.
    I understand your parents are still alive. Tell your mom 
and dad we said thanks for bringing you into the world, raising 
you, and sharing you with our Nation.
    With that, I want to welcome Martha, Director of the U.S. 
Fish and Wildlife Service and Brian Fouch. You are the 
Associate Administrator for Federal Lands at the Federal 
Highway Administration, if I am not mistaken. Is that right? 
How long have you held that post?
    Mr. Fouch. Over 25 years.
    Senator Carper. You started right out of high school. We 
thank you both for taking time to join us today.
    Since helping to pass the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, in 
large part, written literally in this room by Senator Capito 
and other colleagues and our staffs, since helping pass that 
law over 2 years ago, our committee has spent a fair amount of 
time analyzing its implementation.
    It is one thing to have hearings on the legislation. It is 
another thing to vote in committees and subcommittees. It is 
another thing to pass it in the House, the Senate, reconcile 
the differences, and get the President to sign it into law. The 
hard part sometimes is implementation. We have to continue to 
focus a lot on implementation of those pieces of legislation as 
we implement the transformational investments in our Nation's 
roads, highways and bridges, as well as our drinking water and 
wastewater infrastructure.
    Today, we will build on that earlier work by discussing 
some of our lesser known but meaningful investments in 
ecosystem restoration, wildlife crossings and pollinator 
habitat. I have long believed that we can grow our economy and 
support jobs while protecting our environment. That is a theme 
that you will hear voiced almost every time we meet in this 
committee.
    Programs that we are examining today and the fact that 
Congress is investing in them through the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, I might add, with the encouragement of the 
current Administration, are proof that I am not alone in that 
belief. We are not alone in that belief.
    Specifically, in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, we 
provided the Fish and Wildlife Service with $455 million to 
facilitate fish passage across our Nation to support four 
regional restoration initiatives, including the Delaware River 
Basin Program.
    Today, we look forward to hearing from Director Williams 
about how the Service is putting these dollars to work quickly 
and how these investments improve resiliency and leverage 
private investments.
    In the Delaware River Basin, we have seen first-hand how 
restoration activities oftentimes make our communities stronger 
while benefiting our economy. For example, we know that when we 
make our ecosystems more resilient, cleanup our drinking water, 
and conserve wildlife habitat, it makes Delaware a more 
attractive place to work, to play, and to live. I think that is 
true not just for the first State, but it is true for all 
States.
    As part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, we also 
provided the Federal Highway Administration with $350 million 
to stand up a pilot program for wildlife crossings across the 
Country. In addition, we authorized $10 million over 5 years 
for the agency to support pollinator-friendly roadsides and 
highway rights-of-way.
    Why did we do that? Well, in addition to habitat 
fragmentation driving biodiversity loss, wildlife-vehicle 
collisions represent a serious safety issue for drivers. In 
fact, there are more than one million vehicle collisions 
involving wildlife each year in our Country. The good news is 
that by working together, the Federal Government, States, and 
other conservation partners, we are making progress to address 
both issues.
    Just yesterday, the Federal Highway Administration 
announced the first round of grants under the Wildlife 
Crossings Pilot Program. We applaud that. It is worth noting 
that the demand for this funding outweighed the available 
dollars by five times, demonstrating the clear demand and need 
for this important program.
    What is more, the pilot program is already catalyzing 
action at the State and local levels. For example, some States 
are now passing laws and setting aside funding to contribute to 
this work. We are encouraged by that.
    Some States have identified the Wildlife Crossings Pilot 
Program as a possible funding source in their planning 
documents. In the past 2 years, 12 States, including a couple 
of States represented here today, California, Utah, 
Massachusetts, and others, have passed legislation to support 
wildlife crossings and committed an estimated $240 million to 
fund habitat connectivity projects.
    Other States have been leading on wildlife crossings for 
some time and are creatively engaging the public in their 
efforts. For example, Wyoming sells wildlife conservation 
license plates that help fund the State's work to construct 
crossings. Businesses even provide discounts to customers who 
purchase these conservation license plates.
    Let me close by saying that the Federal Highway 
Administration has an incredible opportunity to partner with 
others as you work to implement the pilot program. That 
includes working with the Department of the Interior and its 
agencies, including the Fish and Wildlife Service, which we 
know have a wealth of expertise in prioritizing habitat 
connectivity.
    We are interested in learning more today about how the 
Federal Highway Administration is collaborating with the 
Service, with States, and other stakeholders to make the 
Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program as successful and impactful as 
possible.
    We also hope to hear more today about how the Federal 
Highway Administration is balancing the habitat connectivity 
needs of smaller species with larger species and how the agency 
is considering aquatic connectivity in this new program.
    With all of that in mind, we look forward to hearing from 
Associate Administrator Fouch today about his agency's 
experience getting the wildlife crossings program off the 
ground, both the challenges as well as the opportunities going 
forward.
    With that in mind, I want to turn to our Ranking Member, 
Senator Capito, whose State, my native State, has a great 
interest and has set a great example, I think, in many respects 
in this area.
    Thank you for your leadership, Senator Capito.

        OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, 
          U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA

    Senator Capito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    I want to thank the witnesses for coming today and holding 
this hearing.
    Director Williams, it is always great to see you. Happy 
birthday. I want to thank you for being always just a phone 
call away and always eager and ready to help us and our State 
as we have navigated some issues throughout the last several 
years. Thank you. I am deeply appreciative of that.
    Mr. Fouch, I was happy to hear, and you and I talked 
briefly, that you spent some of your time working at the West 
Virginia Department of Transportation and living in my hometown 
city of Charleston, West Virginia. So that is five stars for 
me. Thank you for your continued public service.
    Today we are discussing, as the Chairman said, the wildlife 
provisions that were included in the Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act, IIJA. I am pleased that the 
Committee's Surface Transportation Reauthorization was really 
the foundation of the IIJA. As he said, a lot of that was 
written right in this room.
    One of those provisions is the Wildlife Crossings Pilot 
Program. The pilot program provides grants for projects 
designed to reduce collisions between vehicles and wildlife.
    Last week, the Federal Highway Administration announced 
grant awards for Fiscal Years 2022 and 2023. FHWA awarded 19 
grants at approximately $110 million. I am sure you will tell 
us more about that in your statement.
    I will be particularly interested in learning about FHWA's 
plan to expeditiously get those project grant agreements 
executed. It is one thing to say we are going to grant the 
money, but as we know, there is a pipeline then to move that 
money forward. We look forward to that.
    It is worth noting that the projects funded under the pilot 
program may also be eligible under some of the existing core 
highway formula programs, including the Highway Safety 
Improvement Program.
    Just a few weeks ago, our Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, 
and Wildlife held a hearing on the challenges and the 
opportunities to improve migration corridors. At that hearing, 
we heard a lot about how wildlife crossings can facilitate the 
migration of big game species, particularly in our western 
States. We also learned that there are other Federal programs 
and partnerships between Federal agencies, States, and the 
private landowners to help address these challenges.
    A recent press release from West Virginia's Department of 
Transportation noted that according to insurance statistics, my 
State leads the Nation in deer strike accidents. I can attest 
to that since I have had at least two in my lifetime, and they 
are quite frequent.
    Recently, we spoke with Department staff about this issue. 
The challenges faced in West Virginia are due to the 
unpredictable nature of these deer strikes. We see increases in 
deer strikes during hunting season which goes from October 
through December. The Department posts signs and provides 
information to the public to increase their awareness about 
this issue. As a native West Virginian, I think we are all 
aware that this is always a possibility.
    The Department also balances addressing these collisions 
with other highway safety challenges in the State. As required 
by Federal law, the Department uses a data-driven process to 
develop a plan that guides its investments to improve highway 
safety.
    The Department also looks for opportunities to help with 
species conservation. For example, some of the bridges that 
were built as part of Corridor H project allow species to 
continue following their natural paths along the ravines.
    The IIJA also included a program that provides grants for 
activities that benefit pollinators along roadsides and highway 
rights-of-way. It is my understanding that FHWA hopes to 
announce a notice of opportunity for that program in the coming 
weeks.
    The supplemental appropriations portion of the IIJA also 
included funding for various regional programs administered by 
the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. I look forward to hearing 
from Director Williams on how implementation of these programs 
is going.
    Thank you again, Chairman Carper, and I look forward to the 
hearing.
    Senator Carper. Thank you so much.
    As the Ranking Member knows, my wife and I took a big road 
trip over Thanksgiving. Our sons are spread across the world, 
so we decided to go find other members of our family.
    Our trip took us through Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, back 
down to Ohio, through West Virginia and finally home. My wife 
is not a big music person but she somehow found something on 
Spotify, it was a countdown of the top 100 Beatle songs of all 
time selected by listeners which was great fun to hear.
    She also loves books on tape so we had an opportunity to 
listen to a book on tape by Steve Jobs who helped in the 
creation of Apple and served a couple tours there. Those were 
highlights of the trip. One of the sad things on the trip was 
we saw a number of dead animals on the side of the road. One 
was a very large deer, I think a doe, female deer.
    That still happens too often. It was a bit of a reminder, 
if you will, that this work is important and that there are 
real consequences to what we are doing here. Sometimes we focus 
just on the vehicular accidents that occur and maybe the 
injuries to drivers and passengers and so forth, but the ones 
who are dying are in many cases are God's creations. We have a 
moral responsibility to do everything we can to reduce that 
loss of life.
    With that, this is an important hearing. We are delighted 
to be able to hear from all of you, especially on a special day 
for Martha Williams. Go right ahead. Happy birthday. That is 
the last time I will mention your birthday.

   STATEMENT OF HON. MARTHA WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR U.S. FISH AND 
                        WILDLIFE SERVICE

    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Chairman Carper. I would like to 
say I am celebrating my 50th along with the Endangered Species 
Act. But that may have passed just a couple of years ago.
    Good morning, Chairman Carper, Ranking Member Capito, and 
members of the Committee.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today 
on the Fish and Wildlife Service's implementation of the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law or as we affectionately call it, 
BIL. Through BIL, Congress provided $455 million in direct 
funding to the Service to support and implement conservation 
projects on landscapes across the Country. This funding is 
helping us tackle some of the biggest and most complex 
challenges facing fish, wildlife and their habitats.
    Not only are we making significant strides for 
conservation, but we are also making a real and positive impact 
for the people and the local communities that we serve. Through 
BIL, we are putting locally led collaborative conservation at 
the center of our work.
    By listening to communities, we are protecting people, 
infrastructure and wildlife habitat. All of this work supports 
good paying jobs today and makes investments that will pay out 
sustained economic and ecosystem dividends far down the road.
    An example is our National Fish Passage Program, which 
removes barriers for fish passage, including unused dams. 
Through this program, the Service has worked to reopen over 
64,000 miles of upstream habitat since its creation in 1999.
    As the Senator knows, I traveled to West Virginia, where 
removal of a low head dam will help species return while 
keeping recreationists safe and benefiting the local community. 
The BIL is helping transform and expand this important work.
    The Service is now chairing an Interagency Fish Passage 
Task Force that spans 13 agencies, helping to get $2 billion in 
combined funding, as well as technical expertise to projects on 
the ground. I am proud to share that the Task Force is hard at 
work coordinating these investments today in Charleston, South 
Carolina, as we meet. These resources allow us to support 
community-led fish passage projects and interagency 
coordination on a level we simply couldn't match before BIL.
    These transformational changes are not limited to the 
National Fish Passage Program, though. In the Klamath Basin, we 
have been working for decades with farmers, States and tribes 
to address water availability and improve conditions for people 
and fish.
    BIL's $162 million investment is allowing us to support 
large scale projects that local communities have wanted to see 
for years. We are installing pumps on wildlife refuges to 
improve water availability for 20,000 acres of habitat for 
migratory birds critical to the Pacific Flyway, while also 
freeing up water for farmers.
    We are investing tens of millions of dollars to build out 
Klamath Falls National Fish Hatchery to assist in the recovery 
of endangered suckers. And we are working with communities to 
restore areas previously hit by wildfires to improve stream 
conditions.
    At Lake Tahoe, using $17 million from BIL, we have 
partnered with the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency and the 
Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe to conduct the largest aquatic 
invasive species project in the Basin's history. That is on top 
of this basin being really the gold standard for aquatic 
invasive species intervention.
    Addressing invasive plants helps improve conditions for 
native fish, honors our commitment to working with tribes and 
preserves Lake Tahoe's recreational value.
    Chairman Carper, I have had the opportunity, the delightful 
opportunity, to work closely with you on the Delaware River 
Basin. BIL funding is supplementing the work we have been doing 
with communities since 2016 under the Delaware River Basin 
Conservation Act.
    In Wilmington, we are improving river health and wildlife 
habitat while reducing flood risks to nearby neighborhoods. On 
the coast, we are restoring habitat for Red Knots and Horseshoe 
Crabs, and we are improving public access to parks and trails 
up and down the basin.
    I am extremely proud of the Fish and Wildlife Service's 
implementation of BIL so far. This funding and the communities 
and the agencies we are partnering with has transformed how we 
tackle some of our biggest conservation challenges and has 
accelerated long lasting solutions.
    I am excited to see what we can accomplish together in the 
coming years. I appreciate the opportunity to testify before 
the committee today and I look forward to answering any 
questions that you may have. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Williams follows:]
    
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    Senator Carper. I failed to actually read a very nice intro 
that was written by our staffs. Martha Williams is no stranger 
to our committee. Director Williams was sworn in as the 23d 
Director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service I think in 2022 
after serving as Principal Deputy Director since 2021. Is that 
true? I think that is true.
    My introduction goes on to say that you bring extensive 
background to your role including some of the topics we are 
discussing today, having served as Director of the Montana 
Department of Fish and Wildlife and Parks from 2017 to 2020. 
Are you a native of Montana?
    Ms. Williams. I am a native of Maryland.
    Senator Carper. That is good. That is part of DelMarVa.
    You also served as the Deputy Solicitor for Parks and 
Wildlife at the Department of Interior. You are a lifelong 
outdoor enthusiast, an avid hunter and angler.
    Anything else you want to add?
    Ms. Williams. I hope to be able to add lots of stories I 
have learned from you throughout the questions.
    Senator Carper. Brian, you are up. Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF HON. BRIAN FOUCH, P.E., ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR 
       FOR FEDERAL LANDS, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION

    Mr. Fouch. Chairman Carper, Ranking Member Capito, and 
members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to 
appear before you today to discuss implementation of the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act's investments in 
ecosystem restoration, pollinator-friendly roadside practices, 
and wildlife crossings.
    I am pleased to be here today with Director Williams. I 
would like to thank Director Williams for the collaboration 
between FHWA and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
    The Wildlife Crossing Pilot program is a safety focused 
program with the goals of protecting motorists and wildlife by 
reducing the number of wildlife-vehicle collisions and, in 
carrying out that purpose, improving habitat connectivity for 
terrestrial and aquatic species.
    The program represents an unprecedented effort to make 
roads safer while protecting wildlife as it creates a dedicated 
source of funding for wildlife crossing projects. At DOT and 
FHWA we recognize the importance of wildlife crossing projects.
    Earlier this year, Secretary Buttigieg visited a wildlife 
crossing in New Mexico where they announced details for the new 
Wildlife Crossing Pilot Program. Earlier this week, FHWA was 
pleased to announce award selections for the first round of 
funding under this program, announcing $110 million in grants 
for 19 wildlife crossing projects in 17 States, including four 
Indian tribes.
    FHWA Administrator Shailen Bhatt was in Arizona yesterday 
to announce the award of $24 million to the Arizona Department 
of Transportation for the InterState 17 Munds Park to Kelly 
Canyon Wildlife Overpass Project. The project will reduce 
wildlife-vehicle collisions along I-17, while increasing 
habitat connectivity for local species, particularly the elk.
    Safety is FHWA's No. 1 priority. The Wildlife Crossings 
Pilot Program will improve the safety of our Nation's roadways 
by preventing dangerous wildlife-vehicle collisions, improving 
the overall safety of the traveling public and reducing the 
economic drain caused by these collisions while some 
simultaneously supporting species survival and improving 
habitat connectivity. The awards announced this week do just 
that.
    Roadways that cross wildlife habitats create a barrier for 
animals and if they try to cross the roadways, can result in 
wildlife-vehicle collisions. The Wildlife Crossings Pilot 
Program will provide more options for animals to cross busy 
roads without coming into conflict with traffic, improving 
habitat connectivity.
    As required by statute, the Wildlife Crossings Pilot 
Program projects will be administered by the State Departments 
of Transportation and also by the FHWA's Office of Federal 
Lands Highway for Tribes and Federal Land Management Agencies.
    FHWA has had a long history in supporting these 
stakeholders with project delivery through our Federal Aid 
Division offices and our Federal Lands Highway Division 
offices. This experience makes FHWA well-positioned to 
administer this important program, and FHWA looks forward to 
supporting the recipients.
    In addition to the new Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program, 
wildlife crossings are eligible under several Federal highway 
programs, and FHWA has looked for opportunities to highlight 
these eligibilities.
    Consistent with our longstanding practice of engaging with 
stakeholders, FHWA developed the Wildlife Crossings Pilot 
Program Notice of Funding Opportunity after considering input 
from wildlife conservation groups, foundations, tribal 
governments and other relevant Federal, State and local 
stakeholders. FHWA is also working with these stakeholders to 
develop guidance, matrices and best practices regarding 
wildlife crosses and habitat connectivity.
    FHWA is committed to continuing its robust consultation 
with the Transportation Wildlife Conservative community to 
maximize the impact of programs and activities established 
under BIL.
    The numerous programs FHWA is implementing also include the 
Pollinator Friendly Practices on Roadsides and Highway Rights 
of Way Program, a new program to provide grants to eligible 
entities for activities to benefit pollinators on roadsides and 
highways right-of-way, including the planting and seeding of 
native, locally appropriate grasses and wildflowers. Although 
not within my program area, I know that FHWA is working hard to 
implement this program.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you 
today. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Fouch follows:]
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    Senator Carper. Thank you.
    Ms. Williams, you were originally from Montana or Maryland?
    Ms. Williams. Originally, Maryland. But I lived in Montana 
for over 30 years.
    Senator Carper. That is a long time.
    Where are you from?
    Mr. Fouch. I grew up in the southwestern part of Virginia 
in Richlands, Virginia.
    Senator Carper. How far is that from Danville?
    Mr. Fouch. From Danville, that is probably a two and a half 
hour trip.
    Senator Carper. My sister and I grew up there. When I heard 
your accent, I thought I had heard that one before as a kid 
growing up.
    You have been in your current role for a couple of months?
    Mr. Fouch. Yes.
    Senator Carper. Any first impressions?
    Mr. Fouch. It is a wonderful program at Federal Highways. 
Some of my first impressions are the great stakeholder 
relationships, we have with our Federal land management 
agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife, the National Park 
Service. Our collaboration and how we work together has been 
really impressive.
    Senator Carper. Tell us a little bit about what you were 
doing it FHWA for the last 25 years?
    Mr. Fouch. For the last 25 years, I have been involved with 
many programs with Federal Highways. My very first assignment 
with Federal Highways was with Federal Lands, where I had a 
project that I helped manage in Yellowstone National Park. You 
can imagine starting out in a program where your first 
assignment is to live in Yellowstone National Park for 6 
months.
    Senator Carper. A tough assignment.
    Mr. Fouch. That was something. That was a great experience.
    Senator Carper. That is great. Let me ask you a couple of 
other questions.
    How has the Federal Highway Administration consulted with 
other agencies and State experts in standing up the Wildlife 
Crossing Pilot Program? How does the Federal Highway 
Administration plan to continue leveraging this expertise going 
forward?
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator, for that question.
    We have hosted several webinars and listening sessions for 
the Wildlife Crossing Program with our stakeholders. We held 
two webinars. One was for the general public and one just for 
tribes to assist in applications, the application process, and 
answering questions that might be pertaining to the Notice of 
Funding Opportunity.
    We also held two listening sessions, one for the general 
public and one specifically for tribes as well, to capture 
feedback on the application process so that we can improve it 
in the next round when we have it in Fiscal Year 2024.
    As we have worked on these, we have collaborated with our 
stakeholders, including the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Conservation 
groups. We actually received several letters from non-
government organizations, conservation groups, hunting and 
angling groups, as well as letters from U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
on ways we can implement this program and meeting with them to 
have discussions about how best to implement these programs.
    We also have several other provisions in BIL we will be 
working on as well, including best practices, training and 
development for these programs. We will continue to collaborate 
with all these stakeholders as we move forward in working on 
these.
    Senator Carper. Good, thanks.
    Director Williams, would you take a couple of minutes to 
share with us some details about the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
Service's efforts to address habitat connectivity and any ideas 
that you might have for Federal Highway Administration as it 
continues to implement the pilot program?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you for that question, Chairman Carper. 
I think that connectivity corridors and these projects are all 
very important. Through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, at 
the Fish and Wildlife Service, we have been very focused on 
ecosystem restoration and how that relates to connectivity.
    An example of that would be the Fish Passage Program that 
is really focused on connecting that fish habitat. By doing so, 
it is providing real impacts to communities, jobs, flood 
safety, water security, and recreational safety as well, 
including addressing fish.
    I bring the Fish Passage Program up as an example of 
connectivity because I believe that the work the Fish and 
Wildlife Service has done with the Fish Passage Program in 
coordinating with over 13 other agencies that are much larger 
than the Fish and Wildlife Service and have much larger 
budgets, we have found our superpower at the Fish and Wildlife 
Service of bringing together and coordinating with other 
agencies so that we all do better work on the ground and 
sequence that work.
    Translating then that to wildlife crossings, they are 
incredibly important. As you have learned through the hearing 
on corridors and migration, these crossings are critical to so 
many different species.
    Our work, in coordination with my colleague and our 
colleagues at Federal Highways, it is also important that we 
share our knowledge, our expertise, and we coordinate. In this 
instance, we did coordinate early on, but then also the Fish 
and Wildlife Service applied for one of these grants. We were 
very pleased to receive one at Laguna Auquishcocha National 
Wildlife Refuge for Ocelot Crossing. So the crossings, 
migration corridors and connectivity are all three very 
important to the work the Fish Wildlife Service does.
    Senator Carper. Thank you.
    Senator Capito.
    Senator Capito. Thank you.
    Director Williams, I want to followup on that last 
question.
    My first question was going to be are wildlife crossings 
eligible under existing Interior programs. I think you answered 
that, but if you would just kind of flesh that out.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you for asking that, Senator Capito, 
because, wildlife crossings, this program through BIL, is 
incredibly important to the Fish and Wildlife Service and 
Interior for wildlife crossings because while we have other 
programs and can put money toward crossings, we use those 
programs for other services as well. The funding available is 
very small compared to what is available through this grant 
program that is specific to wildlife crossings only.
    Senator Capito. When we talked earlier in the week, I 
appreciate the phone call, and you mentioned it again, I 
expressed a lot of surprise that a Federal agency was getting a 
grant from another Federal agency. It sounds a little 
conflicted to me.
    How do you see that from your perspective? Do you review 
these applications or are they all reviewed over at Highways?
    Ms. Williams. That is a very good question, Senator Capito. 
Actually, after speaking with you, I looked into this further 
and had some similar questions.
    This is why we did not consult more with Federal Highways 
as you were putting the program together. We consulted some, 
but we did not sit in on the grant review process because we 
would not want to review where we have applications for the 
grants themselves.
    We helped coordinate early on, but after that, have been 
very careful to leave space between that and not seem like we 
are looking at our own grant proposals.
    Senator Capito. Mr. Fouch, let's talk about that. Were 
there other agencies, Federal agencies, that applied for these 
grants of the 19 or is that one of the 19 that you talked 
about?
    Mr. Fouch. These grants were available to all Federal land 
management agencies. So it was available to other agencies.
    Senator Capito. Did anybody else apply, any other Federal 
agencies, that you can recall or were they granted? Maybe that 
is a fairer question.
    Mr. Fouch. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife was the only grant 
for them, for a Federal agency. The National Park Service, I do 
recall there were some applications from the National Park 
Service, but none of those were awarded.
    Senator Capito. OK. Does that sound strange to you, a 
Federal agency giving grants to a Federal agency? As an 
appropriator, that sounds strange to me because I am like, 
well, why don't we just appropriate into the pocket that the 
director would use rather than have one Federal agency apply to 
another Federal agency?
    Senator Carper. If I could interrupt.
    I don't want to prolong this, but the idea of why this 
makes sense, my dad used to talk to me and my sister all the 
time, just use some common sense. May be this is a common sense 
situation. I think the Senator is raising a good point.
    Thank you.
    Senator Capito. We talked too about interagency 
coordination. Mr. Fouch, you mentioned a couple, Park Service, 
Forest Service, and somebody else that you coordinate with. 
What other agencies are you in a coordinating capacity with as 
you are moving through these programs so that we are not 
duplicating here?
    Mr. Fouch. Of course and thank you, Senator, for that 
question.
    We have sent out invitations to consult on developing our 
products with the Wildlife Crossing Program and with the 
transportation wildlife communities. We are talking about 
members of tribes, we have consulted with State DOTs, we have 
consulted with State fish and wildlife agencies. Again, we can 
give consultation back to them on the Notice of Funding, but 
the other products that we are working on that do not have the 
interest of them applying for a grant, and we work on those 
products with agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife.
    Also we are talking to colleges and universities as well to 
get feedback on this program, AASHTO is another organization we 
are working with, because best practices is a big part of this 
program as we move forward. Those are a few of the agencies we 
have been reaching out to.
    Senator Capito. In my opening statement, I mentioned the 
application projects and actually getting the projects out, not 
just out the door, but out the door and fully constructed. What 
are you doing to streamline that, the project grant agreements?
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator, for that question.
    As you know, yesterday we made the announcement for the 
awards. Some of the things we are doing there are that a lot of 
these projects are going to be administered by the State DOTs 
and so forth. So a lot of the award agreement templates we put 
together with these groups, we are streamlining those efforts 
to help us get those awards up to the work quicker.
    We have also established some programs within our agency. 
We have established a discretionary grant program team just to 
help us in administering these grants quicker as well. Those 
are just a few of the things that we have been doing to help 
streamline the process.
    Senator Capito. Is the accountability on the back end in 
terms of how long it has taken, were you able to do the project 
that you said you were going to do, all of that? I am sure you 
do that sort of accountability as the projects are finishing.
    Mr. Fouch. Yes, Senator, that is correct.
    Senator Capito. I have a deer that comes in my yard all the 
time and eats my hosta. Anything I can tell that deer to get 
out of my yard and cross back into the neighbor's yard, I 
really need.
    Thank you.
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Carper. Elizabeth Grace, sitting over my left 
shoulder, is a senior member of our staff on the Majority side. 
Her birthday was yesterday. She has written a note to me in 
response to the appropriate questions raised by Senator Capito 
in the last couple of minutes. I will just read directly what 
she has said.
    She said, ``There is a list of eligible applicants in the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.'' I see you are nodding your 
head, Martha. The note goes on to say Federal agencies are 
explicitly listed as eligible, explicitly listed in the law. 
This was strongly supported by stakeholders who view Federal 
land management agencies as critical partners.
    Thank you, Elizabeth Grace.
    With that, I would like to introduce the Senator from Rhode 
Island.
    Senator Whitehouse. Thank you, Chairman. Welcome to you 
both.
    Director Williams, thanks for bringing up the Red Knot and 
the Horseshoe Crab situation. I have traveled to Delaware to 
see the Red Knot land and the theory of their timing, that they 
get there in time for the Horseshoe Crabs to put billions of 
eggs into the water for them to feed on. It is quite a 
remarkable achievement. They fly direct from Brazil to Delaware 
Bay, which is a heck of a flight for a little bird.
    Senator Carper. It is nonstop.
    Senator Whitehouse. Yes, nonstop and then fuel up on the 
Horseshoe Crabs and then go on up to their Arctic breeding 
grounds. It is a remarkable little bird. The danger is that 
climate change dislocates the timing of their arrival and the 
Horseshoe Crabs so that when they get there, the food supply 
they need isn't there.
    I am glad that you mentioned it because it is a coastal 
issue. My experience has been that Federal Government agencies 
tend to favor upland, inland and freshwater projects over 
coastal projects. The Land and Water Conservation Fund sends 
considerably more funding per capita to non-coastal States than 
to coastal States. Within the money that is sent to coastal 
States, a great deal of that funding is for inland, upland and 
freshwater projects, not for coastal projects.
    For those of us, like me, from the Ocean State, what can 
you say to reassure us that coastal and saltwater projects will 
be treated fairly and not ignored in favor of inland, upland 
and freshwater projects?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you for that question, Senator 
Whitehouse.
    Since I have had the opportunity to testify before this 
committee, it is a topic that I have learned from you and that 
I have paid attention to, and traveled to your fair State of 
Rhode Island.
    Senator Whitehouse. I know you traveled around Sachuest 
Point, a beautiful place.
    Ms. Williams. It was beautiful. I was so pleased to see the 
project there of building an accessible viewpoint with the 
Great American Outdoors Act funding. It is an incredible place 
that demonstrates very much the value of our coasts and 
tidelands to resiliency with climate change moving forward.
    Senator Whitehouse. But smoothing out an existing trail and 
improving a small, existing wooden viewpoint kind of makes my 
point that we are really not getting much in coastal stuff, if 
that is the best we have to offer.
    Ms. Williams. Senator Whitehouse, it is fair asking that 
question. I have been paying attention to our coastal program 
and putting more resources and support into that program that, 
in some respects, mirrors the Partners for Fish and Wildlife 
Program that is more upland focused than the coastal program.
    So I have very much been focused on the coastal program and 
restoration in these tidal areas. But specifically, your point 
is well taken as far as specific projects in your State.
    But I can say that many of these BIL projects are focused 
on the coastal areas and resiliency there. Let's work together. 
I hope to do more in your State of Rhode Island.
    Senator Whitehouse. Yes, I hope you will keep an eye on the 
coastal versus inland imbalance because it is tiresome for 
those of us who are in coastal States.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you.
    Senator Whitehouse. My time is short, so let me ask these 
as two questions for the record. Methane leaks are a very 
significant contributor to climate change and extremely 
dangerous. The Biden Administration has set up a Methane Task 
Force led by the Department of Justice to allow for rapid 
response when methane leaks are detected. They have contracted 
with NASA so they can get real time data from satellites about 
where methane leaks are happening. I would like to find out 
about what your participation is in the Methane Task Force and 
where you see that leading.
    The second is the OMB, some weeks ago, announced that the 
social cost of carbon emerging from EPA through the methane 
regulation was to be applied throughout all the agencies of 
government, including your own. I would like to see what your 
plan is for implementing the social cost of carbon per the 
directive from OMB now that the EPA rule has been properly 
announced and is now regulatory law.
    With that, if you could get back to me in writing, since my 
time has expired, I would appreciate it.
    Ms. Williams. I look forward to doing that, Senator 
Whitehouse. Thank you.
    Senator Carper. Senator Whitehouse, thanks for keeping 
those Red Knots in mind. They are actually one of the wonders 
of nature, the way they do that.
    Senator Whitehouse. Aren't they? They really are.
    Senator Carper. It is amazing. Tiny little birds fly 
thousands and thousands of miles, stop for lunch in Delaware on 
those Horseshoe Crab eggs. Then they are on their way.
    Senator Whitehouse. They actually morph as they fly. It is 
astonishing.
    Senator Carper. Director Williams, I have a question or 
two, if I could, on Delaware River Basin Program. Congress 
authorized, as you know, the Delaware River Basin Program back 
in, I want to say, 2015 or 2016 and began providing 
appropriations about 5 years ago, I think in 2018.
    This non-regulatory ecosystem restoration program has been, 
by almost any standard, really a tremendous success. It brings 
Federal, State and local agencies together with conservation 
partners to implement priority restoration activities within 
the Delaware River Basin. These projects, among other things, 
improve water quality, conserve wildlife habitat, increase 
coastal resiliency, and they benefit our environment, they 
benefit our communities, and they benefit our economy as well.
    Director Williams, would you share with us your 
perspective, please, on why the Delaware River Basin program is 
such a great model for ecosystem restoration? How has the 
additional funding Congress provided through the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law enhanced the program's success?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Carper, for that question. 
I hope that I learned from you in my time, so I will think 
about this and try to weave stories into my responses more than 
I may be used to.
    Senator Carper. I told you once, I asked Bill Clinton why 
he was such an effective communicator. I heard him speak while 
he was Governor many times. He said to me five, six, 7 years 
ago when he spoke, he said I tell stories. He said, I weave 
them together and then I use self-deprecating humor. I try to 
do that from time to time. Maybe too much. Go ahead.
    Ms. Williams. Well, thank you, Senator Carper. When I think 
about the Delaware River Basin and the Delaware River Basin 
Conservation Act, I think about a day when I visited Wilmington 
this past August.
    Senator Carper. Wilmington, Delaware, not North Carolina?
    Ms. Williams. Wilmington, Delaware, yes, in this instance. 
I took the train and when I arrived, I walked along the 
Wilmington waterfront with a member of my staff who I had not 
met before.
    Senator Carper. One of the proudest things we did when I 
was Governor was to transform industrial wasteland into the 
beautiful waterfront that it is today. So proud.
    Ms. Williams. I couldn't agree more. She commented about 
having grown up there and how much that revitalization has 
benefited that community and how much that meant to her.
    At the end of the walk, we walked to the DuPont 
Environmental Education Center, which showcased then the beauty 
of the natural marsh and the impact of restoration on that 
coastal resilience. We were there for a grant announcement and 
I saw first-hand how representatives from local government, a 
teacher, a number of teachers, an environmental group in the 
neighborhoods, how engaged they were in the process, in the 
grant making and the celebration of this grant.
    They themselves held up this program as an example of what 
the Federal Government can do when we strive for our mission of 
working in a collaborative way and having these real 
investments.
    Then the impact of the day didn't end there. We had the 
chance to take a boat ride on the Christina River and see the 
grant projects from the water and to see how the Riverfront 
Development Corporation had used the program to incorporate 
ecological benefits into their economic development planning 
and then to see that mix. Then also we saw pollinator gardens 
that were being installed by more than 20 interfaith 
congregations to increase wildlife habitat and pollinators, and 
access for recreation for their communities.
    What I saw, Chairman Carper, was the benefit of this 
program, but also the benefit of the investment of BIL in 
working to restore ecosystems that then also had real and 
tangible impacts to the health and safety of the local 
communities.
    What I learned in Wilmington that day, and in this area, 
was this also gives me hope for these Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law investments elsewhere in the Country.
    Thank you.
    Senator Carper. Thank you for sharing that memory with us. 
I had been Governor about a month or two, and former Governors 
showed up on my schedule, and would come to visit me in the 
Wilmington office. They brought with them the former president 
of the University of Delaware. They brought a bunch of 
architect renderings of what an industrial wasteland could look 
like along the Christina River where the train station is. They 
said it could really be a marvelous, marvelous place.
    They showed me all these architect renderings and I was 
just blown away. It was beautiful. We used to have bodies, they 
found a couple of bodies in the river and other things, it was 
just badly polluted. During World War II, 10,000 people worked 
along the riverfront, not far from Biden Train Station. Mostly 
women building ships to help win the war. When the war was 
over, the place went to seed. People never even went down 
there. They didn't even know there was a river there.
    Former Governor Russ Peterson, a great environmentalist, 
later ended up heading up CEQ under I think President Nixon and 
President Ford, they presented this incredible transformation 
and the architect renderings. I was blown away.
    I said to Governor Peters, who is going to do this? Who is 
going to make this happen? They said, you are. I said, why me? 
He said, because you are the Governor and this is what 
Governors do. I said, well, you are going to help me and they 
did. It has been a great source of joy.
    Senator Capito, do you want to jump in here?
    Senator Capito. Yes. Thank you.
    I have one final question for Director Williams. We have 
talked a lot about the Elkins field office in West Virginia, 
but it is my understanding that they have a detailee from the 
U.S. Forest Service. Your staff has indicated that this has 
been very helpful in managing the backlog of Section VII 
consultations, but that the process to execute the Memorandum 
of Understanding to secure a detailee can be very lengthy and 
complex.
    I was wondering if you had any recommendations as to how 
those processes could be expedited.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Capito. I also want to 
just recognize my appreciation in working with you on these 
issues and your leadership. It has been very helpful in 
highlighting and bringing forth the challenges at the Fish and 
Wildlife Service where we have had declining capacity and staff 
and yet ever-increasing numbers of consultations coming in.
    We have tried to streamline through the IPAC System, which 
really has made an enormous difference. In some instances, 98 
percent of the consultations can go through IPAC, they can do 
it on the computer and move on.
    For the remaining consultations, which is your question, 
how do we streamline having the staff there, as you know, we 
have done that through a combination of ways. We would like 
transfer authority because that helps us with Federal agencies. 
That may have taken a little bit to get in place, but they can 
last longer.
    It also helps to have people from the agencies we are 
working with who then know the process. One way is through the 
transfer authority, which we are seeking. The other is through 
these reciprocal agreements which we have used often with 
external parties. Those are two tools we use.
    But I would say if we had better capacity within the Fish 
and Wildlife Service to have adequate staff or consultations, 
we could do more as well.
    Senator Capito. Let's talk about the transfer authority 
issue. Tell me how that works, the transfer authority within 
Fish and Wildlife. It is not working, I know, because you don't 
have the transfer authority now, but how would that work?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Capito. I was smiling 
because I realize the challenge with moving money from one 
Federal agency to another.
    Senator Capito. Right.
    Ms. Williams. This would set up an agreement with another 
Federal agency where we have the agreement ahead of time to 
have staff working on consultations for that agency.
    Senator Capito. OK. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Senator Carper. I am being summoned to come to another 
meeting. We have other committees meeting at the same time. We 
all serve on a bunch of different committees. The Committee on 
Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is meeting right 
now. They are voting and need me to come vote. I will be back 
very shortly.
    Thank you, Senator Capito.
    Senator Capito.
    [Presiding.] Senator Padilla, you are up next.
    Senator Padilla. Thank you. I am glad to see this committee 
continuing important conversations for the benefit of our 
Nation's wildlife. As Ranking Member Senator Capito mentioned 
earlier, Senator Lummis and I held a hearing in our 
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water and Wildlife last month. We 
had a chance to demonstrate the bipartisan and widespread 
support that there is for wildlife crossings, wildlife 
corridors, and efforts to restore habitat. I am glad to 
continue this conversation here at the full committee level.
    Before I get into questions, Director Williams, happy 
birthday.
    I appreciate you mentioning Lake Tahoe in your remarks 
earlier. I have a question on Lake Tahoe, but before I get to 
that, I wanted to talk about the Klamath River Basin.
    As you know well, Congress provided the Fish and Wildlife 
Service with $162 million for restoration activities in the 
Klamath Basin via the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. This 
funding provides an opportunity to protect wildlife habitat and 
restore the precious basin ecosystem.
    Can you just spend a minute talking about how the service 
has holistically used these funds to maximize restoration and 
water resilience benefits?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you for that question, Senator Padilla, 
because I do believe the investment through the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law in the Klamath Basin is a perfect example of 
how it has allowed us to look at the more holistic challenges 
that occur in the Basin.
    So rather than being piecemeal as in the past, we are now 
able to look at the ecosystem restoration of the Klamath Basin 
as a whole so that we can develop ecosystem restoration that 
supports salmon, suckers, agriculture in the basin, and then 
also our refuges.
    Senator Padilla. Can you describe a little bit more how 
working with fellow Federal agencies, as well as State 
agencies, tribal leaders, and other stakeholders has ensured 
that our efforts are not piecemeal but part of a bigger vision?
    Ms. Williams. Indeed. Senator Padilla, one of the benefits 
of having this investment is that we have used it to pull 
together, absolutely working with the tribes in the Klamath 
Basin, often with very different interests. They are not a 
monolith. They each have their own concerns, and have been 
engaged in the Klamath, or have lived there for time 
immemorial.
    It has allowed us to pull the tribes together. We have 
worked very closely with the State, we worked very closely with 
irrigation districts, we worked very closely with local 
governments, et cetera. We have used this investment to convene 
partners to recognize what is before us.
    I think before now, we had to work on a year-by-year basis 
and plan out for that year. Now we are able to think longer 
term and to really address the water scarcity in the basin.
    Senator Padilla. Wonderful.
    I am also grateful to the Service for your commitment to 
restoring our beloved Lake Tahoe. In addition to protecting 
Lake Tahoe from the threat of wildfires, it has been a big 
focus and emphasis in recent years, but for many years, 
removing and preventing aquatic invasive species in the Lake 
has been one of the highest ecological priorities for the 
region.
    The Lake Tahoe Aquatic Invasive Species Program, which 
received $3 million in the Infrastructure Law, is a 
collaborative effort between the Service, the Washoe Tribe of 
California and Nevada, and the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency.
    Similar to our conversation with the Klamath, can you speak 
to the benefits of meaningful collaboration among stakeholders, 
State, and tribal leaders on this particular program?
    Ms. Williams. Yes. Thank you for that question again.
    As I mentioned earlier in my opening statement, Lake Tahoe 
has often been held up as the gold standard in aquatic invasive 
species. However, this investment from the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law in Lake Tahoe has allowed us to really focus 
on aquatic invasive species prevention and we have done it.
    It is consistent with all of this BIL funding. We have used 
our role as support. We are not pushing a certain agenda other 
than ecosystem restoration. Instead, we have pulled the 
community together, including the tribes here, and the Tahoe 
Regional Authority and other partners to hear what they feel 
their immediate needs are and then support that going forward.
    In this instance, there are examples of permanent aquatic 
invasive species checkpoint stations, which is so helpful to 
know that they are there permanently and that the tribes are 
partnered in that. This is really important not only for the 
Lahontan cutthroat lake trout, but it is also important, 
obviously, for the economy of Lake Tahoe to keep these invasive 
species out or at least have early detection.
    Senator Padilla. Great. Thank you so much. I look forward 
to our continuing work.
    Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Senator Capito. Thank you.
    Senator Merkley.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman and 
welcome. To my colleague from California, thank you for sending 
me the article about it being peak time for counting the 
Monarchs on the Santa Cruz area of the California coast.
    I had a chance to go down to Pismo Beach, another location 
where Monarchs gather. The Western Monarch had declined to less 
than 1 percent of its traditional number some 20 to 30 years 
ago and were down to just a couple thousand several years ago, 
it is on the verge of extinction.
    Now we are now back up to a couple hundred thousand but 
still a tiny fraction of the traditional Monarchs. It is, in 
part, certainly a reflection of climate change, and in part, 
the much increased use of pesticides affecting the Monarchs and 
their long journey with multiple generations going north and a 
single generation going south.
    Back in June 2022, I partnered with the Fish and Wildlife 
Service to sponsor a Monarch summit for us to become aware of 
these different factors and bring all the experts together. One 
of the things that came up at that point was the Fish and 
Wildlife Service announcing the creation of the Center for 
Pollinator Conservation, which I strongly applaud. It now has a 
director, Nicole Alt, and it has been hosting a series of 
workshops, which are very much appreciated. I think there is 
one more next week. I wanted to express appreciation that this 
is underway, and ask if there are some early successes that you 
would like to highlight related to the Center for Pollinator 
Conservation.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Merkley, for your 
leadership on pollinators and helping us really put together 
these summits, but also the ensuing Center for Pollinator 
Conservation.
    As you mentioned, the leader, Nicole Alt, has been 
terrific. We are using the Center more and more. We are really 
learning how to build it out and build out how we use them. We 
need the Center.
    As you mentioned, the Pollinator Conservation Center is 
focused on three areas: applied science, and I say that 
purposely because it is applied science, not science for 
science sake, but learning how to apply it for pollinator 
conservation, collaboration and engagement.
    As you mentioned, we have been working with the Monarch 
Joint Venture and many others, but the next and last workshop I 
believe will be next week. From that, I am looking forward to 
what they are calling an action plan that will really finalize 
what steps we will take next and who will do them.
    In addition to that, I just convened a leadership summit 
for Monarchs in Minneapolis using the Center for Pollinator 
Conservation to pull it together and to recognize, in concert 
with the other Federal agencies, how do we really make a 
difference for pollinator conservation well beyond what the 
Fish and Wildlife Service can do alone. That center is very 
helpful in pulling those efforts together.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you. I will look forward to seeing 
what the action plan looks like. We are understanding better 
some of the challenges and some of the opportunities. One of 
the opportunities is to do a lot more planting pollinator-
friendly plants, both for nectar in the case of Monarchs, and 
milkweed for the caterpillars.
    I wanted to turn to you, Administrator Fouch. In your 
testimony, you State that FHWA is working to implement a 
program as expeditiously as possible. The program we are 
referring to is the Pollinator Friendly Practices on Roadsides 
and Highway Right-of-Way.
    This began with a conversation I had with former Senator 
Lamar Alexander whose State had developed a pollinator plot 
program along its State highways. It seemed like what he did in 
his home State or what his State did, seems like we could 
replicate that. I first asked Administrator Bhatt about the 
status of this program in June in this very room. I was told it 
would be expeditiously stood up.
    And yet still no sign of progress. This isn't that 
complicated. Three million dollars was allocated. I think, 
under even a continuing resolution, we would have another $3 
million, grants limited to $150,000, to enable groups to 
establish significant pollinator-friendly plots along highways.
    Sometimes it is just unacceptably slow in terms of how 
quickly the gears of government turn and we are really facing a 
pollinator Armageddon. We have lost such a huge volume of 
insects over my lifetime.
    Many people will refer to it in different ways, but I know 
a number of folks have told me they can identify with the 
experience I had of when I drove with my family, when I was a 
little kid, every single stop we had to clean off massive 
amounts of insects off the windshield. Now, if there is one 
insect on the windshield, it is a surprise. We have lost a 
massive amount.
    Why can't we speed up this strategy of establishing 
pollinator plots along the highways? Or tell me that you are 
now happy to inform me that it is all in gear, it is all 
designed, it is going to be rolled out, you are taking action, 
and we will see results.
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you for that question, Senator. Yes, this 
is a very important program. FHWA has been working 
expeditiously to implement this program.
    We do expect to get the Notice of Funding out soon. That 
program is handled in our Environment and Planning office. That 
is outside of my office. But as far as the status and 
progressing forward, we can continue to provide you updates for 
that.
    Senator Merkley. It is a totally unacceptable answer. It is 
outside your jurisdiction. So in that sense, it is an 
acceptable answer. But you are evaluating what the other unit 
is doing, saying it is expeditious. It is not expeditious. And 
happy words about, someday, it is expeditious or something will 
happen soon, no. The type of answers we need are here are the 
five steps we have taken, here are what our remaining 
challenges are, and here is the timeline for getting them done.
    That is the type of answer we want to hear when we ask 
about the development of a program, not some vague, we are 
expeditiously working, we are sincerely undertaking, all those 
words. Those words mean nothing.
    Where are the action steps? Where do they stand? Why can't 
we see this rollout? Are there obstacles we need to solve? When 
it comes to programs like this, given that we have States that 
have undertaken programs like this, they should be able to get 
it done.
    So I want to send back, even though it is not your 
jurisdiction, I want to send back as strongly as possible that 
this is the type of program that can be implemented. Please, 
next time I hear about it, tell me the steps taken, the 
remaining steps being taken, the schedule to roll it out, when 
that is happening, or if there are obstacles, what are they so 
we can try to solve them.
    Mr. Fouch. We will be glad to get that information to your 
office.
    Senator Carper.
    [Presiding] Mr. Fouch, Senator Merkley was not in the room 
when I asked you how long you had been in your position. How 
long has it been?
    Mr. Fouch. In my current position, a month or so, since 
October.
    Senator Carper. A month or so. Next time, we will expect 
more.
    Senator Merkley. Point taken that this was outside your 
jurisdiction. I am really just sending back a message of 
general frustration.
    Mr. Fouch. I can do that.
    Senator Merkley. Thank you.
    Senator Carper. Good. Message sent.
    Senator Ricketts, good morning. How are you?
    Senator Ricketts. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Carper. Good to see you and you are recognized. 
Thank you for coming.
    Senator Ricketts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for having this 
hearing, and Ranking Member Capito.
    The 30x30 Initiative by the Biden Administration aims to 
preserve 30 percent of the land and waters in the United States 
by the year 2030. This is far from a new or novel overreach. 
Since the Wilderness Act of 1968, Congress has passed 120 new 
laws, resulting in the creation of 803 wilderness areas 
totaling approximately 117 million acres.
    During the Obama-Biden Administration, a precedent was set 
for misuse of the national monument designations. The 
Antiquities Act was employed to unilaterally designate or 
expand 34 national monuments, covering an extensive 553,550,000 
acres of land and water.
    Building on this legacy, the Biden Administration has 
continued this effort. They have issued five new monument 
designations, and they have effectively locked up nearly 2 
million acres of land.
    Ms. Williams, the last time you were in front of this 
committee, you were unable to specify the congressional Act 
that authorizes the 30x30 egregious land grab. That is because 
there is no congressional authority. There is still no clear 
definition of conservation. It has led to uncertainty and 
instability for private landowners.
    The Administration has consistently neglected to specify 
whether working lands, conservation, multiple use and active 
management will be considered as part of the conservation 
criteria for 30x30. Numerous congressional oversight inquiries 
have gone unanswered. It has contributed to a State of 
confusion and uncertainty regarding the 30x30 Initiative.
    True conservation is sustaining land for working land 
purposes. It is my belief that private landowners are the best 
stewards of our lands. Nebraskans are a prime example of this. 
Nebraskans have demonstrated that landowners can effectively 
balance the productive use of their land with conservation 
efforts.
    Nebraska is a national leader for acres utilizing no till 
practices on farms. Our agricultural producers are voluntarily 
making decisions. They don't need the Federal Government coming 
in and telling them how to do their business. These 
stakeholders and communities should instead be utilized for 
their knowledge.
    Studies have shown that critical habitat designations can 
reduce land values by up to 30 percent. Landowners are then 
left with no compensation. Rural communities rely on land 
values for property taxes. These funds then support education, 
infrastructure and other essential services. But when you 
reduce that, obviously that reduces the ability of local 
communities to provide those services.
    A prime example of this is what has happened to communities 
following the listing of the Northern Spotted Owl as an 
endangered species by the Fish and Wildlife Service. The 
critical habitat designation was followed by declining timber 
sales. Because of Federal bureaucrats' unilateral action, rural 
counties saw their tax base was limited by the growing amount 
of Federal land. As a result, Congress had to pass the Secure 
Rural Schools Program.
    A portion of the Forest Service funds generated through 
grazing, timber production and other special use permits are 
distributed to eligible counties. These communities now rely on 
these funds to maintain local roads and schools, all because of 
Federal bureaucrats' action to cut their tax base. While 
programs like Secure Rural Schools provide important support 
for rural communities, the fact remains that this was a 
solution that had to be created because of a government 
fabricated problem.
    Inflation has hit rural communities harder than others. The 
Federal Government butting out and allowing them to responsibly 
manage their land and natural resources will allow communities 
to be more resilient in depressed economic times. These 
stakeholders and communities should be utilized for their 
knowledge and passion for land, not held to the fire by Federal 
oversight.
    Ms. Williams, how does the Service collaborate with private 
landowners to incorporate those perspectives and local 
knowledge into conservation strategies rather than imposing 
top-down measures?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Ricketts, for that 
question. This is work that I have long been engaged in, well 
before this position with the Fish and Wildlife Service. I can 
give an example with the Partners for Fish and Wildlife 
Program, where we work with ranchers and partners to hear what 
they want in their location, and then provide technical 
expertise to apply for grants that would work for them.
    There is an example of how we work with private landowners 
in your State of Nebraska where, through the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, with the National Fish and Wildlife 
Foundation, we worked with the Nebraska Game and Parks 
Commission using $4 million in the Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law grant funding to implement just what you have asked, 
voluntary, incentive-based programs to promote vibrant 
grasslands with ranching communities.
    I would answer that we have long understood that the best 
conservation is that that is locally led where we learn from 
the community, and when we are working with private landowners, 
absolutely voluntary and incentive based.
    Senator Ricketts. Thank you, Ms. Williams.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you.
    Senator Carper. Thank you for a good question and for a 
thoughtful answer. If you have another question, you are 
welcome. Thanks again for joining us today.
    I have a couple more questions. One or two of our members 
are trying to get here from other committee meetings. We will 
see if they can do that. I hope so.
    My next question deals with working with the National Fish 
and Wildlife Foundation. The Fish and Wildlife Service partners 
with the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation to administer 
some of its grant programs, including programs funded through 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
    We heard very positive feedback from stakeholders about 
working with the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation. My 
question, Director Williams, would be, how does partnering with 
the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation expedite the 
disbursement of grant funding, and how does it help leverage 
private investments to match those Federal dollars? Does the 
Fish and Wildlife Service still retain a role in grant 
administration when it is partnering with the Foundation?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Chairman Carper, for that 
question. I think this follows nicely from Senator Ricketts' 
question as well.
    The Fish and Wildlife Service has long partnered with the 
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, a very important partner 
to us. The value that the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation 
brings to the table is that they can coordinate with other 
Federal agencies and can have more one-stop shopping so that 
they are working with us.
    But also, these other Federal agencies bring in local 
partners and leverage money. Typically when we work with the 
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, they are able to 
leverage the Federal money to get more conservation on the 
ground. They are very adept at working with local communities 
to build that collaborative conservation that we are all 
talking about.
    As an example, Senator, in your backyard for the Delaware 
River Basin, the Fish Wildlife Foundation has leveraged more 
than one to one for each Federal dollar that goes through them 
for these ecosystem restoration projects.
    Senator Carper. I am going to ask a related question. Not 
everyone who is in the room or may be watching this remotely 
knows about the Fish and Wildlife Foundation, it genesis, where 
did it come from, how long has it been around. For somebody who 
knows nothing about it, how would you describe it? Give us a 
little primer on it, please.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you. It is a statutorily created 
foundation to aid both the Fish and Wildlife Service and also 
the National Marine Fisheries Service, NOAA, its two primary 
partners and they partner well beyond the Fish and Wildlife 
Service and NOAA. It was instrumental in working on the oil 
spill, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, and building out the 
ecosystem restoration efforts in that area. They work across 
the Country and somewhat globally as well.
    I have the pleasure of sitting on the board and working 
with those board members. It is very well run, it is very 
efficient, and they have terrific expertise.
    Senator Carper. Good answer. Thanks very much. You serve on 
the board?
    Ms. Williams. I do, Chairman.
    Senator Carper. From day one in your job?
    Ms. Williams. Yes.
    Senator Carper. OK, good.
    I have a different kind of question, one that deals with 
threatened and endangered species. I am going to start off, Mr. 
Fouch, with you and ask you to respond to the question first. 
Then we will turn back to Ms. Williams. Maybe I will flip that 
and start with you, Director Wiliams.
    Your agency is tasked with recovering our Nation's 
threatened and endangered species, as we know. Mr. Fouch your 
agency reported, I think in 2008, about 15 years ago, that 
wildlife-vehicle collisions are a major threat to the survival 
of at least 21 species.
    Let me say that again. That is pretty eye opening. Your 
agency reported in 2008 that wildlife-vehicle collisions are a 
major threat to survival of at least 21 species.
    I am going to ask both of you, Ms. Williams, you can lead 
off if you want, but will you both share with us how the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law investments in ecosystem 
restoration and habitat connectivity will help imperiled 
species? Would you like to go first?
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Chairman Carper, for that 
question, in part because it is very nice to have an 
opportunity to highlight the real impact that the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law investments have made, not only in habitat 
connectivity for wildlife crossings and recovering species, but 
also for people in their communities.
    What BIL investment has done is allowed us to switch our 
approach to take more of a whole ecosystem approach to 
conservation rather than just individual projects. We are able 
to really address these longstanding issues.
    The examples for each of the areas of the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law money that comes through the Fish and 
Wildlife Service, whether it is the sagebrush ecosystem, the 
Klamath Basin, or the Fish Passage Program, it really has 
allowed us to work with tribes, States, and many other partners 
to make sure that we are bringing everyone together to address 
these longstanding issues like water availability that helps 
these ecosystem functions that then also helps the community 
with flooding and water availability.
    It has been transformative for the way in which the Service 
can address recovery of a species because we can better address 
the root causes in the habitat connectivity. That has been a 
game changer for us.
    Senator Carper. Good. Thank you.
    Before I turn to Senator Sullivan, I am going to ask Mr. 
Fouch to respond to the same question, if you would. How does 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law investment in ecosystem 
restoration and habitat connectivity help with imperiled 
species?
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator, for that question. The 
report that you discussed as part of the BIL and our 
requirements under BIL, we will be expanding upon that report, 
taking a look at best practices, and things that we can expand 
upon.
    Also, in expanding that report, BIL is asking us to take a 
look at design and implementation guidelines and also to 
provide guidelines on wildlife fencing, underpasses, overpasses 
and so forth that will help that. In doing that, we will be 
collaborating with our stakeholders and talking about that as 
we complete that.
    Senator Carper. Good. Thanks. I may come back to this after 
Senator Sullivan asks his questions and I can followup on this 
a little bit more before we adjourn.
    Senator Sullivan, welcome.
    Senator Sullivan. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Thanks for what you 
do.
    Mr. Fouch and Director Williams, thanks for being here. 
Director Williams, I appreciate the phone call yesterday.
    By the way, I don't know if it has been announced, maybe I 
shouldn't, but I hear it is a special day for you? Yes, is that 
true? This is your birthday present, you get to answer hard 
questions. Happy birthday.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Senator Sullivan.
    Senator Sullivan. I hope in the next 5 minutes I don't ruin 
it.
    Senator Carper. A bipartisan happy birthday.
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Sullivan. There you go.
    Let me just very quickly kind of get a couple of 
commitments from you. These are easy ones from our conversation 
yesterday. First, can you just commit, yes or no, and I think 
these are all an easy yes. We will start the easy questioning.
    Can you commit to get together with the key stakeholders, 
Tlingit and Haida, other Native groups, and southeast fishermen 
to find consensus on this very longstanding, challenging issue 
on co-management standards for sea otters? Can we get your 
commitment to work with me on that and all of them 
collectively?
    Ms. Williams. Senator Sullivan, I was a bit worried at what 
your easy yes would be, but indeed, yes.
    Senator Sullivan. OK. Then, on the Migratory Bird Co-
Management Council, the issue I raised with Alaska Native 
handicraft issues, can I get your commitment to work with me on 
that one, too?
    Ms. Williams. Yes.
    Senator Sullivan. And then the Wood Bison recovery plan and 
coordinating efforts more deeply with my office and more 
importantly than my office, the Alaska Department of Fish and 
Game?
    Ms. Williams. Yes.
    Senator Sullivan. OK, great.
    I have these charts I think I mentioned to you. Jake here 
is on my team. This is going to be a little tough, but this is 
a chart I gave to the President of the United States in a 
meeting I had with him a number of months ago. This is what is 
referred to as the last frontier lockup, 56 Executive Orders 
and Executive Actions from the Biden Administration singularly 
focused on Alaska, 56.
    Mr. Chairman, you know, I have raised this a lot. The 
Executive Orders and Actions keep growing. I just think it is 
completely unfair. I respectfully said it to the President. I 
was in the Oval Office and I am going to be respectful, but I 
said, Mr. President, if the Republican Administration came in 
and issued 56 Executive Orders and Executive Actions singularly 
focused on shutting down Delaware's economy and access to 
lands, none of these we want, right? Very few we were consulted 
on. I said, with all due respect, sir, you would be on the 
Senate floor raising hell every damn day.
    I am not going to raise hell here, but this is an outrage. 
It needs to stop, Mr. Chairman. Maybe someday we can have a 
hearing on this.
    Director Williams, I did compliment you on your use of 
indigenous knowledge on the Southeast Alaska Wolf Endangered 
Species Act decision. I want to thank you for that.
    But what I am concerned about is the lack of consultation 
with Alaska Natives, particularly Alaska Natives who live in 
the area. I am talking about North Slope Borough, National 
Petroleum Reserve, Alaska, ANWR.
    As you and I discussed, there has been no consultation with 
these great Americans on huge issues. They have tried to meet 
with Secretary Haaland seven times. She doesn't meet with them. 
These are the borough-elected representatives, the tribal 
representatives, and the Alaska Native Corporation 
representatives. Look, it is an insult, it is an outrage. You 
and I had a long discussion about this. They were in town 2 
weeks ago and held a big press conference. Their voices are 
being canceled.
    They listen to the lower 48 environmental groups, what our 
Alaska Native people call the eco-colonialists, meaning these 
lower 48 groups come up, condescendingly pat the Alaska Native 
people who have been living in Alaska for thousands of years on 
the head, and tell them what is good for them. It is an 
outrage. Those people get listened to, but the people who live 
there don't.
    Can you commit to me to doing a much better job on 
consultation before decisions are made? It is your job. It is 
in the law. It is unequivocally not happening, as you and I 
discussed.
    Ms. Williams. Senator Sullivan, I can commit to 
consultations before decisions are made. Where we don't agree, 
I believe that we have changed in the State of Alaska in my 
choosing Sara Boario as our Regional Director, as I have 
traveled to the Village of Kaktovik and also met with the North 
Slope Borough, have been to King Cove, and spent the night at a 
fish camp on the Yukon River this summer.
    I can do more and more. We will always strive to do it. But 
indeed, we are really trying to pay attention to the voices of 
Alaskans.
    Senator Sullivan. OK. Mr. Chairman, sorry. I am going to go 
over my time a little bit. This is really important to me and 
more importantly, to my constituents.
    I think you need to give special consideration to the 
people who live in the region in which you are taking these 
dramatic actions. Would you agree with that? That is a pretty 
easy question. The people who live in the region, who are going 
to be impacted the most deserve special consideration. Would 
you agree with that?
    Ms. Williams. Senator, I would say they absolutely deserve 
consideration and their considerations are different. I get 
asked this all the time. I cannot just say one voice matters 
more than another. I need to listen to all voices. But they 
have a special perspective, absolutely.
    Senator Sullivan. I think they matter more and, you know, 
remarkably, you guys aren't listening to them at all. You 
listen to New York City environmental groups, but not the 
people who live there.
    Let me just ask two final questions. We talked about the 
Vietnam Veterans, Alaska Native Vietnam Veteran legislation. 
The career staff at Fish and Wildlife Service codified 
available refuge lands to extend this ability for these great 
Vietnam Vets, heroic, who weren't treated well, you and I 
talked about this, when they came home from Vietnam.
    Can I get your commitment that if the legislation I 
introduced has the very lands that your staff proposed to get 
your support on that?
    Ms. Williams. Senator Sullivan, I would be happy to work 
with you on that.
    Senator Sullivan. OK.
    Then finally, give me and this committee an update, if you 
wouldn't mind, on the King Cove Road. Mr. Chairman, I think you 
are aware that we have been trying to get an 11-mile, single 
lane dirt road. Mr. Fouch, this impacts you guys too. It would 
save lives in the Native community. Everybody in the community, 
900 people, everybody wants it.
    Thirty years we have been trying to get this done. It won't 
hurt the wildlife there. Can you give me an update on that, 
Director Williams? It is something that is enormously 
important, not just to the people of King Cove, but the entire 
State of Alaska is watching this issue.
    Ms. Williams. Senator Sullivan, yes. I appreciate the 
enormity of this and have had very clear direction from the 
Secretary that this is important to her and that the safety of 
the members of the community in King Cove, that this is 
important to them.
    The comment period closed for the Notice of Intent, closed 
this summer. We are working with a contractor on a Supplemental 
EIS, and we are expediting that as quickly as we can. I have 
put resources into this matter to be able to get that out by 
the spring. I know that we are on a short timeframe. I commit 
to supporting the Secretary's commitment in this community. I 
appreciate its importance.
    Senator Sullivan. So, spring is what you are shooting for 
as a target, spring of 2024?
    Ms. Williams. To get the Supplemental EIS out.
    Senator Sullivan. OK. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Carper. You bet.
    Senator Sullivan. And Go Navy, beat Army. I am going to the 
game. Are you going to the game?
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Carper. Whenever I run into retired Marine, retired 
Navy, I am the last Vietnam Veteran serving in the U.S. Senate, 
but whenever I come across the other veterans, I always salute 
them, if they have a hat or shirt on or something else. I will 
say Navy salutes Air Force, Marines, whatever. We have a great 
time. But I salute retired Army folks, saying Navy salutes 
Army, I say except on 1 day of the year, and that is the Army-
Navy game.
    Senator Sullivan. Are you going?
    Senator Carper. I don't know. We are trying to work it out. 
We will see.
    Senator Sullivan. Well, I will see you there if you are 
there. Thank you.
    Senato Carper. Thanks so much. I was talking earlier about 
the countdown of Beatles songs. One of my favorite Johnny Cash 
songs is ``I've Been Everywhere, Man, I've Been Everywhere.'' 
And you have been maybe not everywhere, but you have been to a 
lot of places. And that is noticed and appreciated by me and I 
am sure by Senator Sullivan, Senator Capito and others.
    We are close to the end, and I have another question or two 
I would like to share, one for Mr. Fouch and maybe one more for 
you, Ms. Williams.
    With respect to balancing the needs of small and large 
species, Mr. Fouch, vehicles, as we know, pose a major threat 
to many smaller wildlife species. Some experts believe that 
over 300 million birds, amphibians and other small animals are 
killed on the road each year. These collisions are much harder 
to track, as you know.
    While our roads and highways pose just as great a risk for 
these smaller species as they do for larger species, the 
habitat connectivity needs of smaller species are quite often 
overlooked as being less expensive to address.
    My question is how did the Federal Highway Administration 
balance the needs of small species with the needs of large 
species when selecting grant recipients?
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator, for that question. The 
Wildlife Crossing Program is focused on wildlife and vehicle 
collisions. Safety is a priority of that program and one of the 
major priorities for that. But what we also see with the larger 
animal wildlife crossings, which you mentioned as well, is that 
animals will use it, all animals will use those crossings when 
we put those in.
    Even though the crossings may be very focused on preventing 
wildlife-vehicle collisions and the safety of motorists, as 
well as connectivity of habitat, these crossings can also 
provide crossings for the smaller habitat as well.
    Senator Carper. All right, thanks. I have one more question 
for you dealing with the demand for funding. I believe you 
shared in your testimony, and I mentioned in my earlier 
statement the demand for the wildlife crossing pilot program 
exceeded the available funding by five times.
    How is the Federal Highway Administration leveraging other 
funding sources? That would include States, foundations and 
maybe other Federal programs. How are you encouraging grant 
applications to do the same?
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator, for that question. Yes, the 
Wildlife Crossing Program is eligible under several programs. 
Some of those include the Highway Safety Improvement Program, 
the Surface Transportation Block Grant Program, our 
Transportation Alternatives Program, the Federal Lands Access 
Program, and our Federal Lands Transportation Program, as well 
as in certain instances our Bridge Investment Program and the 
National Culvert Removal Program.
    A lot of our programs have taken into account these 
wildlife crossings and have made them eligible under those 
programs and we promote that. As you mentioned, the success we 
have had was with the Wildlife Crossing Pilot Program and 
through the Notice of Funding getting in our first round five 
times the amount of what we offered, we see the opportunities 
of taking advantage of these other Federal programs too.
    Senator Carper. Good. Do you expect the demand for these 
dollars will continue to grow? What might we do here in the 
legislative branch, in the Congress, what could we do in terms 
of how to address the unmet need?
    Mr. Fouch. As you know, Senator, it was a very popular 
program. Again, hence five times the amount. I think one thing 
that is very certain to us all is that this is very popular and 
it is a great need. The funding is just part of that and it is 
five times the amount in the first go around.
    Senator Carper. Thank you.
    I have exhausted my list of questions that I had for you. I 
want to give each of you a couple of minutes, if you would like 
to take advantage of it, to share with us any other thoughts 
you have that may have come to mind as you sat there and 
listened to questions and answered questions. Ms. Williams, why 
don't you share with us anything you want? Maybe you can tell 
us what you wish you had been asked but were not asked. Maybe 
you could do that. Any closing thoughts you have, we would 
welcome those.
    Ms. Williams. Thank you, Chairman Carper. I can't think of 
a question I wish I had been asked, other than appreciating the 
opportunity to highlight the value of the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law investment and my hope that it can continue 
into the future.
    It has absolutely changed the game for the Fish and 
Wildlife Service because it has allowed us to leverage our 
partnerships and bring really larger entities to the table to 
coordinate and solve the complex conservation challenges before 
us. It has allowed us to really get to the to the fundamental 
issues, whether in the Klamath Basin, improving water 
availability for fish, people, and migratory birds in Lake 
Tahoe, working with partners and tribes to combat aquatic 
invasive species in the largest functioning wetland in the 
Basin, and that it also protects fish populations and the 
thriving outdoor recreation economy in Lake Tahoe.
    Whether it is I didn't talk enough about the Sagebrush 
Ecosystem and our investments there, working with States, 
tribes and private landowners to manage invasive grasses, 
keeping water on the landscape for longer that helps keep 
people on the landscape and then helps the communities, and 
reduces flood risks as well, and revitalize burgeoning 
communities and economies.
    Then it is tying all of these landscapes together through 
the Fish Passage Program. Really, I would love to be able to 
amplify their work and how they have pulled people together for 
all these really valuable resources, I think even in Appalachia 
going forward in these biodiversity hotspots.
    So I guess it is an opportunity to say that we really are 
impacting people in their everyday lives. It is that resilience 
for the future that we have not had this type of investment in 
before. We take it very seriously, to get the money out the 
door, to be efficient and demonstrate why this investment was 
worth it and that we hope to have it going forward.
    I would end by saying it has demonstrated in spades that 
when you give nature a chance, it has a remarkable ability to 
heal. But we have to give it a chance. The Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law has allowed us to do that. Thank you.
    Senator Carper. Thank you. One of the other songs on the 
top 100 Beatle list was ``Give Peace A Chance.'' There you go.
    Mr. Fouch, you get the next to last word. Is there anything 
you wish might have been asked or any closing thoughts? Go 
ahead.
    Mr. Fouch. Thank you, Senator. No questions I wish had been 
asked.
    Senator Carper. Any questions you wish hadn't been asked?
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Fouch. No questions I wish I hadn't been asked. I do 
want to say that I do appreciate the collaboration we have had 
with U.S. Fish and Wildlife, particularly on the Wildlife 
Crossing Program and the things we are learning there.
    We look forward to implementing that project and to 
continue to implement that project. We understand the 
importance of the Wildlife Crossing Program and also the 
importance to local, States and communities out there in 
providing these projects. We will continue to support this 
program and work collaboratively with our Federal and State 
partners.
    Senator Carper. Good. I will close on a musical note. We 
opened on a musical note in respect to your birthday. One of 
the songs that made the top 100 list of the Beatles greatest 
hits was ``When I'm 64.'' You are not there yet, but someday 
you will be.
    When I turned 64, that was like last year, not really, a 
little further back, but we have some good music venues in 
Wilmington. One is the Grand Opera House. The other is the 
Queen Theater. We had a thousand more people who gathered at 
the Queen Theater, and the last thing we did was have like 
three rock and roll, great, best rock and roll bands in 
Delaware to close out the evening. Folks were kind enough to 
sing to me When I'm 64 which was a real treat.
    Some day you will be 64. We are just glad you are here, 
glad you are both alive and you are doing the work that you are 
doing.
    Mr. Fouch, you have not been in this post for very long, 
but it is a hugely important post.
    I jotted down some notes so I could read the theme songs 
for this committee. One is ``We Can Work It Out,'' a song you 
may have heard a time or two, this committee works it out. We 
work it out. We cannot always work everything out but we work 
really hard for the money. We try to find common ground and 
believe bipartisan solutions are lasting solutions. We 
appreciate the chance to work with one another, especially with 
Senator Capito and her team.
    Another thought is ``Come Together,'' and another 
Blackbirds song, ``In the Middle of the Night,'' is another 
song. I mention them because they are part of our DNA, part of 
our culture in this Country and I think on the planet is to say 
that we care. We want to work to make sure this planet will be 
around not just for us, not just for our children and 
grandchildren, but for another million years.
    I will not be on this committee then but I hope people will 
look back in the future and say we really made a difference 
with the work we are discussing here today. Thank you.
    We are God's creatures. As turns out all the wildlife we 
are talking about, the birds, animals, the deer, are God's 
creatures as well. We have a moral obligation to protect human 
beings and their lives and I think other creatures and 
creations on this planet.
    With that, I get to do a close. I want to thank both of 
you, Mr. Fouch and Director Williams, for joining us today. We 
thank you for your service to our Nation. We appreciate very 
much your work to implement the provisions of the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law that are making a real difference for our 
wildlife, for our communities, and our economy. I can't tell 
you how proud I am of the work that Senator Capito, myself, our 
staffs, and bipartisan members of this committee, the work that 
was done on that major piece of legislation and good that flows 
from it.
    Before we adjourn, a bit of housekeeping. Senators are 
going to be allowed to submit written questions for the record 
through the close of business on Wednesday, December 20th, 
which is, I think, 2 weeks from your birthday today.
    We will compile those questions, will send them to our 
witnesses, and ask you to apply by Wednesday, January the 10th.
    We wouldn't have these hearings and they would not be 
nearly as valuable without the great work of our staffs. I like 
to think that the members work well together, and rightly so do 
our staffs. If they didn't, we wouldn't get much done. So a big 
thanks to them.
    To everyone, to all of you, and to your families, best 
wishes for a happy holiday season and a great New Year.
    Thank you so much. With that, this hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 11:46 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.]