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                      COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS

                   MICHAEL T. McCAUL, Texas, Chairman

CHRISTOPHER H. SMITH, New Jersey     GREGORY MEEKS, New York, Ranking 
JOE WILSON, South Carolina               Member
SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania
DARRELL ISSA, California
ANN WAGNER, Missouri
BRIAN MAST, Florida
TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee
MARK E. GREEN, Tennessee
ANDY BARR, Kentucky
RONNY JACKSON, Texas
YOUNG KIM, California
MARIA ELVIRA SALAZAR, Florida
BILL HUIZENGA, Michigan
AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN, 
    American Samoa
FRENCH HILL, Arkansas
WARREN DAVIDSON, Ohio
JIM BAIRD, Indiana
MICHAEL WALTZ, Florida
THOMAS KEAN, Jr., New Jersey
MICHAEL LAWLER, New York
CORY MILLS, Florida
RICH McCORMICK, Georgia
NATHANIEL MORAN, Texas
JOHN JAMES, Michigan
KEITH SELF, Texas

                                     BRAD SHERMAN, California
                                     GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia
                                     WILLIAM KEATING, Massachusetts
                                     AMI BERA, California
                                     JOAQUIN CASTRO, Texas
                                     DINA TITUS, Nevada
                                     TED LIEU, California
                                     SUSAN WILD, Pennsylvania
                                     DEAN PHILLIPS, Minnesota
                                     COLIN ALLRED, Texas
                                     ANDY KIM, New Jersey
                                     SARA JACOBS, California
                                     KATHY MANNING, North Carolina
                                     SHEILA CHERFILUS-McCORMICK, 
                                         Florida
                                     GREG STANTON, Arizona
                                     MADELEINE DEAN, Pennsylvania
                                     JARED MOSKOWITZ, Florida
                                     JONATHAN JACKSON, Illinois
                                     SYDNEY KAMLAGER-DOVE, California
                                     JIM COSTA, California
                                     JASON CROW, Colorado
                                     BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois

                Brenda Shields, Majority Staff Director

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Opening Statement of Chairman Michael McCaul.....................     1

                               WITNESSES

Statement of Hon. Antony Blinken, Secretary of State, U.S. 
  Department of State............................................     3
  Prepared Statement.............................................     6

                                APPENDIX

Hearing Notice...................................................    80
Hearing Minutes..................................................    81
Hearing Attendance...............................................    82

                        Materials for the Record

Material for the record, submitted by Rep. Joaquin Castro........    83

                        Questions for the Record

Questions submitted by Rep. Barr.................................    87
Questions submitted by Rep. Hill.................................    99
Questions submitted by Rep. Moran................................   114
Questions submitted by Rep. Self.................................   120
Questions submitted by Rep. Meeks................................   135
Questions submitted by Rep. Connolly.............................   139
Questions submitted by Rep. Keating..............................   144
Questions submitted by Rep. Castro...............................   148
Questions submitted by Rep. Titus................................   168
Questions submitted by Rep. Kamlager-Dove........................   172
Questions submitted by Rep. Crow.................................   178
Questions submitted by Rep. Amo..................................   188
Questions submitted by Rep. Costa................................   194

 
  THE STATE OF AMERICAN DIPLOMACY IN 2024: GLOBAL INSTABILITY, BUDGET 
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                        Wednesday, May 22, 2024

                  House of Representatives,
                              Committee on Foreign Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.

    The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 1:57 p.m., in 
room 2172, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Michael McCaul 
(chairman of the committee) presiding.
    Chairman McCaul. The purpose of this hearing is to discuss 
the State Department's Fiscal Year 2025 budget request and 
explore the myriad of challenges facing the United States and 
its diplomats around the globe.
    I now recognize myself for an opening statement.

        OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN MICHAEL T. McCAUL

    Chairman McCaul. Mr. Secretary, might I say first thank you 
for being here today. As you know, we are living in dangerous 
times. The world is on fire.
    We are witnessing the largest land invasion in Europe since 
World War II. The Middle East is on the brink of a full-scale 
war and an increasingly aggressive China is testing our resolve 
as they look to invade Taiwan.
    The similarities between a war in Europe and increased 
aggression in the Indo-Pacific are dangerously parallel to the 
events leading up to World War II. Russia, China, and Iran are 
all connected in their efforts to destroy freedom and 
democracy.
    Weakness invites aggression and our adversaries see that, 
and it all began with the fall of Afghanistan. This deadly and 
chaotic withdrawal was catastrophic and will remain a stain on 
American foreign policy for generations.
    Despite warnings from the DOD and the intelligence 
community, the State Department, Mr. Secretary, failed in its 
execution of the NEO despite the dissent cable from your own 
staff on the ground warning of dire consequences of abandoning 
Afghanistan.
    Despite the President's promise to get everyone out we now 
know over 1,000 Americans and almost 200,000 Afghan partners 
were left behind.
    Following the shameful withdrawal from Afghanistan this 
administration projected weakness on the world stage. Shortly 
after the withdrawal we saw the satellite imagery of the 
Russian Federation amassing troops on the Ukrainian border. 
Then we failed to provide the Ukrainians with the lethal 
assistance they needed until after the invasion.
    Out of fear of provoking the Russians this administration 
slow walked weapons necessary for Ukraine to win, giving them 
just enough to bleed out but not for victory.
    If fear of provocation bound American foreign policy the 
Nazis would never have been defeated. The Berlin Wall would 
still stand. The world's evil empire would never have been said 
and nuclear missiles would still be in Cuba.
    American leadership must never be dictated by the whims of 
despots. That's why I mandated the administration in the 
supplemental bill send long-range ATACMS and other weapon 
systems to Ukraine as soon as possible to ensure a victory.
    When it comes to China we have failed to establish the 
deterrence necessary to counter the malign threat of the CCP. 
We now know that China is supporting the Russian defense 
industrial base.
    Failure to project strength on the world stage has only led 
to an increasingly hostile China. Weapons I signed off on 5 
years ago for Taiwan have yet to be delivered into that country 
and I'm also disappointed that the President failed to certify 
AUKUS ITAR exemptions on the April 19 deadline.
    This trilateral partnership, as you know, is key to 
deterring China, for Chairman Xi is watching and I believe he's 
the only one satisfied with this administration's actions.
    Finally, we are on the brink of a total destabilization in 
the Middle East. Israel is in the fight for its very existence 
from the terrorist threat of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, and 
during their darkest hour what did this administration do?
    They turned its back on our ally. President Biden's 
decision to withhold weapons approved and appropriated by this 
Congress is tantamount to an arms embargo.
    This administration is preventing Israel from their final 
key military objective of taking out the remaining battalions 
in Rafah. We need to put maximum pressure on Iran and its 
proxies. By not enforcing energy sanctions Iran now has over 
$80 billion in oil revenue. We have appeased the Ayatollah and 
funded his terror operations including their ability to attack 
Israel directly, which they did for the first time in history.
    By projecting weakness on the world stage this 
administration has invited increased aggression. So why is it 
after this administration came into office that we now have a 
war in Ukraine, a war in the Middle East, and a potential war 
in the Indo-Pacific? Why are we limiting our allies' ability to 
win wars they didn't start?
    Mr. Secretary, red lines are for our enemies, not for our 
allies and our friends. You go back to Chamberlain, Churchill. 
We know that appeasement only invites aggression, conflict, and 
war, and Churchill proved that to us, and Ronald Reagan taught 
us peace through strength.
    I believe it's time that we return to the Ronald Reagan 
doctrine of peace through strength. And with that, I yield the 
balance my time.
    Other members of the committee are reminded that opening 
statements may be submitted for the record.
    We are now pleased to have the seventy-first Secretary of 
State Antony Blinken before us today. Sir, your full statement 
will be made part of the record and I ask that you keep your 
remarks to 5 minutes, and I will strongly encourage--I will 
enforce the gavel with all members to 5 minutes so that all 
members can participate in this extremely important hearing.
    With that, I now recognize Secretary Blinken for his 
opening statement.

   STATEMENT OF HON. ANTONY BLINKEN, SECRETARY OF STATE, U.S. 
                      DEPARTMENT OF STATE

    Secretary Blinken. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and 
to you, to Ranking Member Meeks, to all the members of the 
committee, it is very good to be with you today.
    I thank you for the opportunity to testify and I thank you 
also for the partnership that we have had to advance American 
leadership in the world, leadership that is so essential to 
delivering on the priorities that matter to our people here at 
home.
    The need for U.S. global leadership and the need for 
cooperation, collaboration with allies and partners, has never 
been greater. We have the People's Republic of China that's 
pursuing military, economic, geopolitical preeminence, 
challenging our vision for a free, open, secure and prosperous 
international order.
    Russia is committing aggression not only against Ukraine 
but against the principles at the heart of the United Nations 
charter--territorial integrity, sovereignty, independence--that 
are the building blocks for global peace and security.
    In the Middle East we're standing with Israel and its 
efforts to ensure that what happened on October 7th never 
happens again as we do everything we can to bring to an end the 
terrible human suffering in Gaza and prevent the conflict from 
spreading.
    U.S. leadership is needed to address humanitarian crises 
elsewhere in the world including in Sudan, Haiti, other places, 
where millions have been displaced and many have been killed 
but also to address global issues that no country can solve 
alone including food security, changing climate, transnational 
corruption, the fentanyl crisis.
    But with the support of Congress we can and we are 
approaching these challenges from a position of strength. 
Because of the actions we have taken the United States is 
stronger economically, diplomatically, militarily than it was a 
few years ago.
    We have made historic investments here at home in our 
competitiveness, our innovation, our infrastructure. We have 
renewed alliances, built new ones, secured unprecedented 
alignment with key partners in Europe and in Asia on the 
challenges of our time.
    We delivered essential aid to Ukraine. In fact, the United 
States rallied 50 countries around the world to come to 
Ukraine's defense to make sure it wouldn't be erased from the 
map as Vladimir Putin sought.
    We have rallied the international community to share the 
burden. For every dollar that we sent in economic and 
development assistance others have collectively invested three 
more.
    Now, many doubted whether bipartisan support for Ukraine 
and other urgent national security priorities could endure. But 
last month Congress demonstrated to the world that we will not 
pull back when you passed President Biden's supplemental budget 
request by an overwhelming margin.
    Our investment abroad does not come at the expense of our 
strength here at home. Far from it. Most of the supplemental, 
as you know, is being spent here in the United States building 
up our defense industrial base, supporting good American jobs.
    We need to keep up the momentum and that requires a State 
Department budget that will fully resource our response to the 
challenges of this time. The President's Fiscal Year 1925 
budget requesting $58.8 billion to the State Department and 
USAID does that in two key ways.
    First, it funds the essential missions of our department 
and USAID. The budget will ensure that the United States 
continues to be the partner of choice for countries to turn to 
when they need to solve big problems that also affect our own 
security and economic well being.
    In an era of renewed great power competition we have to be 
able to present the strongest possible offer, one that is 
relevant and responsive to the country's needs and one that 
advances our security and economic interests.
    That's why, among other things, we're requesting $2 billion 
for a new fund to build high-quality, sustainable 
infrastructure around the world. Crucially, investments like 
these create good jobs here in America. They expand markets for 
our businesses overseas.
    We are requesting resources for the World Bank. With $1 
billion in U.S. funding we can unlock another $36 billion in 
development fund capacity to direct to the top priorities of 
emerging economies.
    That's an enormous return on our own investment and 
essential for competing with China around the world. The budget 
also includes $1.7 billion for international organizations 
including the United Nations, APEC, the Inter-American 
Development Bank, to help shape them in ways that reflect our 
interests and values.
    We're asking for $500 million to give more people around 
the world access to secure internet, digital technologies. 
Doing so will support our own economy through the export of 
technology products that are made here in the United States. It 
will help ensure that we and our fellow democracies remain the 
leaders and standard bearers when it comes to key technologies 
like artificial intelligence.
    The budget includes funding to address global issues that 
affect the lives and livelihoods of the American people as well 
as people around the world, especially the synthetic drug 
crisis.
    It also funds our response to irregular migration, global 
food insecurity, public health, climate and energy security, 
problems that may be taking place in other parts of the world, 
but we know that what happens on the far end of the world will 
come back to bite us if it's not addressed and addressed 
effectively including with our engagement and leadership.
    We're also asking Congress to fully fund the State 
Department's educational and cultural exchanges. They're one of 
the best, most cost effective tools that we have for advancing 
our values and our interests around the world.
    They support students, researchers, young professionals 
from our communities who study and work abroad. We also need to 
guard against attempts by our competitors to spread 
disinformation and misinformation around the world.
    Our Global Engagement Center is critical. It's a critical 
tool for countering the threat of information manipulation by 
China, by Russia, and others, and we urge you to extend its 
sunset clause before it goes into effect in the coming months.
    To out compete our rivals we need to invest in the 
foundation of our strength abroad and that's our diplomatic 
corps. That's the second pillar of the budget. The budget makes 
a strong investment in expanding our overseas presence, opening 
new posts in the Pacific Islands, the eastern Caribbean.
    We will also continue our modernization of American 
diplomacy. We have reorganized the department to make sure that 
it can be fit for purpose for the challenges of this time.
    Whether that comes to dealing with new technologies, 
whether that comes to dealing with global health, climate, 
dealing with China, we are making the necessary investments to 
try to attract and retain the most talented workforce possible.
    We're investing in our people in Washington, at our posts 
overseas, with training with technology. We're promoting more 
agility, innovation, and efficiency in our processes.
    Last year's enacted budget, Mr. Chairman, represented a 5 
percent cut from the year before and that challenges our 
efforts to deliver the results that Congress and the American 
people deserve.
    So we urge you to support this budget which helps us 
address the most pressing foreign policy priorities of our time 
and lays the foundation for continued strong American 
engagement and leadership in the years ahead.
    With that, I thank you and happy to take any questions.
    [The prepared statement of Secretary Blinken follows:]
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    Chairman McCaul. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
    Let me ask first, we, as you know, have been conducting an 
investigation into the Afghanistan withdrawal and will be 
releasing a report of that in September.
    Will you commit to appearing before this committee for a 
hearing on Afghanistan. We have had the top brass of the 
Pentagon do so and I think the Gold Star families deserve that 
as well.
    Secretary Blinken. Mr. Chairman, for the Gold Star 
families, for the President, for me, for everyone involved, we 
grieve with them the losses they suffered including over 20 
years in Afghanistan. We honor their sacrifice and one of the 
ways we do that, of course, is by taking part in oversight, 
answering questions, giving the American people the answers 
they deserve, and we have engaged in very good faith in this.
    I think by our count we facilitated transcribed interviews 
with 15 current or former officials----
    Chairman McCaul. Mr. Secretary, my time is limited. But is 
that a yes?
    Secretary Blinken. Mr. Chairman, I've appeared before this 
committee five times including one time dedicated solely to 
Afghanistan but every time taking questions on Afghanistan. 
That's more than any of my recent predecessors have done and--
--
    Chairman McCaul. Well, we look forward to your testimony in 
September.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, we can have our teams talk about 
that, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
    Chairman McCaul. Okay. You testified before the Senate 
Foreign Relations Committee yesterday that you denounce the 
International Criminal Court's arrest warrants against Israel's 
leaders and committed to working with Congress on a bipartisan 
basis to find an appropriate response.
    I've been working with the speaker and the ranking member 
and others in the Senate on potential proposed legislation to 
address this issue.
    Will you commit to working with this committee to find a 
bipartisan bill that would place meaningful sanctions on the 
International Criminal Court?
    Secretary Blinken. Mr. Chairman, first, let me say again 
that that decision was totally wrongheaded and any equivalence 
that it implied between Hamas and Israel and its leaders was 
shameful, and we commit to engaging on a bipartisan basis in 
finding an appropriate response.
    Chairman McCaul. Yes, and I completely agree with you on 
that. Earlier this month the President stated on CNN that if 
Israel conducted a major military operation in Rafah that, 
quote, ``we're not going to supply the weapons and artillery.'' 
Is this still the Biden administration's policy and what 
specific weapons do you plan to withhold beyond the 2,500-pound 
bombs?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, first, Mr. Chairman, no one has 
done more than President Biden, no one will do more, to make 
sure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself. He was 
there days after the attack on October 7th, the first president 
to go to Israel when it was at war and under attack.
    In the time after that he made sure that we deployed 
resources and assets to deter any further aggression against 
Israel from other quarters which was very much a threat and, of 
course----
    Chairman McCaul. And we all know the history. Are you 
planning to withhold more weapons if Rafah is invaded?
    Secretary Blinken. I'm happy to get you that and, of 
course, it's also important--it's also important to note that 
when Iran conducted an unprecedented attack, a direct attack 
for the first time on Israel from Iran the United--actively 
took part----
    Chairman McCaul. But if Israel invades Rafah will you 
withhold more weapons?
    Secretary Blinken. We actively took part for the first time 
ever in Israel's defense and rallied a coalition of countries. 
When it comes to Rafah----
    Chairman McCaul. That doesn't answer my question. Are you 
going to withhold more weapons----
    Secretary Blinken. I'll come to your--yes, I'll come to 
your question, Mr. Chairman. I'm happy to do that.
    Chairman McCaul. Okay.
    Secretary Blinken. When it comes to Rafah, we have made 
known for a long time our concerns about a full-on military 
assault of Rafah, the damage that could do to the civilian 
population absent a clear and credible plan to protect it and 
also to achieve the results that we and Israel both want, which 
is to deal effectively and durably with Hamas.
    And so in that context, particularly with regard to 2,000-
pound bombs which in a dense urban environment could do 
terrible damage, we have been in discussions with Israel about 
that particular weapon and those discussions continue. Those 
were private discussions.
    It's unfortunate that it leaked to the press. It did. But 
those discussions continue and our concerns about a full-on 
military assault in Rafah remain. We have other ways of dealing 
with the challenge posed by Hamas that we believe can be more 
effective and more durable.
    Chairman McCaul. Okay. Let me just ask you this. We didn't 
find out about the withholding of weapons until we saw the 
President's interview on CNN. Congress was never notified of 
this decision. We just marked up a bill out of committee that 
requires advanced notification.
    If you decide to withhold more weapons from Israel, which I 
would say was the intent of Congress when we passed the 
supplemental and when I approve these weapons, will you at 
least give us advance notification?
    Secretary Blinken. Mr. Chairman, we have gone out of our 
way--we have gone well above and beyond in previewing for 
Congress----
    Chairman McCaul. I had no notification or did anyone in 
this committee or Congress until we saw the President on CNN. 
That's hardly an adequate way to notify Congress.
    Last, Ukraine. We have a really bad situation going on, as 
you know. This is a sanctuary zone that the Russians have 
created and what they're doing is they're lining up all their 
artillery and rockets and missiles just across the Ukraine 
border that they then use to attack the Ukrainians.
    However, your administration and Jake Sullivan have 
restricted the arms use so that Ukraine cannot defend itself 
and fire back at Russia. That's why I mandated the ATACMS in 
the supplemental--the long-range, short-range and the HIMARS 
that your administration is tying their hands behind their 
back, Not unlike what you're trying to do in Israel.
    Will you change this policy so Ukraine can fight without 
one hand tied behind its back?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, as you know, we have rallied 50 
countries over the last 2 years to come to Ukraine's defense to 
provide it with the weapons it needs to defend itself to push 
back against Russian aggression.
    When it comes to enabling, endorsing attacks outside of 
Ukraine that's not something we have done but Ukraine will have 
to make and will make its own decisions and I want to make sure 
it gets the equipment that it needs to effectively----
    Chairman McCaul. Well, you know, Congress got them the 
equipment, and thank you for implementing that, but Congress 
did not put restrictions on the use of these weapons.
    It's Jake Sullivan and your administration that has put the 
restrictions on these weapons, and I talked to them and this is 
not--they cannot achieve victory with these restrictions that 
you, not the Congress, have placed on them and I hope you'll 
take that back to the national security adviser and the 
National Security Council and change this policy decision that 
is very dangerous and damaging to the Ukrainian people.
    My time has expired. I now recognize Mr. Sherman.
    Mr. Sherman. Mr. Secretary, thank you for being here and 
presenting your budget request, which I strongly support.
    Dr. Afridi did more for America than any other foreigner in 
the last 200 years. Yet, he remains in jail in Pakistan. All 
Americans are dedicated to his release but some not dedicated 
enough to agree with Pakistan for a Afridi-Siddiqui trade and I 
would hope that you would urge the administration to make such 
a trade.
    I'm confident the Pakistanis would accept it. Obviously, 
the Pakistanis should release him without conditions but it's 
very hard to ask any other non-American to cooperate with the 
United States when the person who did the most for us remains 
in jail.
    I hope you would also direct the U.S. Ambassador to Albania 
to visit Camp Ashraf and demonstrate our continued concern for 
those who fled Iran and then fled Iraq.
    This is particularly relevant because President Raisi of 
Iran died, and while some mourn his passing he was personally 
responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iranians 
including many who are the family members of those who are in 
Camp Ashraf.
    Thirty thousand people, apparently, have died in Gaza. 
Perhaps half or more are civilians. Congress has provided you 
with $9.1 billion in humanitarian aid.
    But there's other things going on around the world. Three 
hundred thousand died in Darfur two decades ago and now we see 
a new genocide in Darfur for where tens of thousands have been 
killed.
    Looking at the rest of Sudan, 18 million people face acute 
food insecurity. Six hundred thousand Tigrayans have died just 
in the last few years and now millions of people face food 
insecurity in Ethiopia.
    In eastern Congo we see 7.1 million people displaced. One 
point two million Rohingya are in camps in Bangladesh where 
countries have not contributed enough for their food and, 
therefore, the food World Food Programme has reduced rations by 
30 percent.
    The entire population of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, 
or Artsakh, has been ethnically cleansed and now lives as 
refugees in Armenia.
    Can you commit that--and hopefully this is a just a yes/no 
answer--can you commit that when you allocate that $9.1 billion 
of humanitarian aid you will do so on the basis of where is the 
greatest need rather than which conflicts get the most 
publicity?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes.
    Mr. Sherman. Thank you. People think that the Middle East 
is as bad as it can possibly be. That's not true. Iran has a 
nuclear weapons program I'm sure my colleagues will ask you 
about and I want to focus on Saudi Arabia.
    Some think Bin Salman is going to be a good friend to the 
United States but even they must take the examples from the 
1970's where the shah was a friend of the United States and 
every weapon system that he had was in the hands of the 
ayatollahs by the end of that decade.
    Saudi Arabia will want a nuclear cooperation agreement with 
the United States. Can you commit to us that you will not send 
up to Congress a nuclear agreement with Saudi Arabia that does 
not include the additional protocol and does not meet the gold 
standard that we saw in the UAE nuclear cooperation agreement?
    Secretary Blinken. Any nuclear cooperation agreement that 
we reach will have to address all of our nonproliferation goals 
and we want to make sure that, of course, we have gold standard 
agreements with whomever we reach these agreements.
    Mr. Sherman. Thank you. Hamas had allied organizations. The 
Palestinian Islamic Jihad is the better known but there is also 
the Popular Resistance Committees, the third biggest terrorist 
organization based in Gaza, which has not been designated a 
foreign terrorist organization and I wonder if you can commit 
to either designating them as either an FTO or otherwise as a 
terrorist organization such as a specially designated global 
terrorist, or at least come back to this committee in 30 days 
and tell us why you haven't done so.
    Secretary Blinken. I'm happy to come back to you. We're 
always looking to see appropriate designations to use whatever 
tools we can against terrorist organizations----
    Mr. Sherman. They are proud participants in the killing of 
1,200 Israelis on October 7th and they've killed Americans. 
They meet more than all the standards.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman's time has expired and I'm 
going to recognize Mr. Smith for 5 minutes. Then we will recess 
for 10 minutes. We have two votes on the floor.
    Mr. Smith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Last Friday, Mr. Secretary I chaired my fourth 
congressional hearing within the year on UNRWA, the U.N. Relief 
Works Agency, and its decades-long complicity in the most 
vicious forms of anti-Semitic hate with a focus on the so-
called independent review--U.N. review by Ms. Catherine 
Colonna.
    I've read her report very carefully and our witnesses 
including the former general counsel, James Lindsay--he was the 
general counsel for UNRWA and he admonished us in the strongest 
terms do not give money to UNRWA. He used to be their guy. Now 
he's not.
    Hillel Neuer, who's the executive director of U.N. Watch, 
testified and said the Colonna review was not independent, the 
verdict was determined in advance, and he pointed out all of 
the conflicts of interest of the people, the players.
    It was very narrowly focused, too focused, just on October 
7th and even there it whitewashed that the only thing that came 
out of it that was any good was to say that UNRWA ``does not 
vet employees for connections or sympathies with Hamas or 
Islamic Jihad,'' quote/unquote.
    Twenty-one years ago in 2003 I offered an amendment to 
redirect the money away from UNRWA to other entities that could 
be vetted to ensure non-anti-Semitism. This year my legislation 
to stop UNRWA Act--Stop Support for UNRWA Act of 2024--was 
passed by this committee.
    It completely prohibits any U.S. contributions to UNRWA. It 
made clear, however, that nothing in the Act may be construed 
to preclude the provision of humanitarian assistance through 
any agency or entity as long as you certify, Mr. Secretary, 
that it doesn't promote, espouse, or affiliate with entities or 
individuals that promote violence or terrorism or anti-Semitism 
and does not employ individuals who promote, espouse, or are 
affiliated with such entities or individuals.
    Then in March the bipartisan foreign aid bill made it 
absolutely clear no funds for UNRWA. Both sides of the aisle, 
both House and Senate, and that's until March 25th, 2025.
    My question is are U.S. taxpayer funds to UNRWA still 
paused. Second--that's the other funds that were already in the 
pipeline or may be coming in from other spigots--second, can 
you assure the committee that the Biden administration's 
investigation will be in depth, a top to bottom review?
    From the moment your administration announced it and when 
the U.N. announced it they said--they drew such a narrow look. 
They're not going to see much.
    They'll know that 12to 18 people committed atrocities but, 
unfortunately, UNRWA has been a child abuse factory, turning 
little wonderful kids who happen to be Palestinian into child 
soldiers by inculcating in them a hatred toward Jews and to 
Jerusalem and to the Jewish State.
    So, please, about your report when is that coming and 
hopefully it will be very comprehensive.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you. Just a few things on this.
    First of all, we do support the implementation of the 
recommendations in the Colonna report. We think those are 
important and important before. But then second, there is a 
separate investigation that's going on.
    This is a U.N. internal report on the specific allegations, 
as you know, about the participation of UNRWA employees in the 
horrific events of October 7th.
    We await those results and we will pull all of that 
together along with our own hard look at this.
    Second, we, of course, are abiding by the law in making 
sure that funds----
    Mr. Smith. No other funds are finding their way into----
    Secretary Blinken. No other funds can or should be going to 
UNRWA.
    Mr. Smith. Is it planned in the near future?
    Secretary Blinken. No, and we'll abide--now, I will tell 
you we do have a difference in view because for all of the 
manifest problems and deficiencies with UNRWA it's also been 
playing an absolutely critical and, in many ways, at least in 
the near term, irreplaceable role in terms of being able to 
provide assistance for people who desperately need it.
    It has an infrastructure that no one else has. It has 
people that no one else has. So there needs to be a way to make 
sure one way or another that that assistance gets to people who 
desperately need it.
    And so we can look at what can be done for the future, but 
in the near term I got to tell you we still see that as 
essential. But, no, we are not and will not provide the funding 
pursuant to the law.
    Mr. Smith. Thank you, sir.
    Let me ask you, if I could, on child abduction--
international child abduction. I've written a major law on it 
named after David Goldman.
    When the president of China--of Japan was here I gave him a 
letter asking him to get engaged. I would ask the 
administration--I would ask the president--you know, we all 
speak out on behalf of--he met with people, Japanese who have 
been abducted to North Korea. But the big concern is what about 
our own children who have been abducted, 500 of them, to Japan?
    And, finally, the World Health Assembly is meeting. They're 
violating their own rules of that procedure. Are you going to 
submit the WHO pandemic treaty, which is rife with problems, to 
the Senate for ratification?
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you. On child abduction I'm, like 
you, seized with this and for a long time. I applaud what 
you're doing and your leadership on this, and when we have 
countries that are not abiding by the Hague Convention or are 
otherwise engaging in practices that are keeping children away 
from their parents this is something we take action on and I 
always welcome working with you on that.
    Second, and very quickly, on the pandemic agreement the way 
things stand right now I don't see that coming to a conclusion 
in the near term.
    There's just not consensus on it. It's something we 
continue to work on but continue to work on making sure that we 
uphold our own interests and values including on, for example, 
intellectual property.
    Chairman McCaul. The committee will take a short recess for 
two votes on the floor.
    [Recess.]
    Chairman McCaul. The committee will reconvene. The chair 
now recognizes Mr. Keating.
    Mr. Keating. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to 
thank the Secretary for his extraordinary efforts--the travel, 
the stress, everything that has been involved not just with 
yourself but your staff and the other members of the Cabinet. 
They've been extraordinary.
    I want to center on Ukraine for the focus of my attention, 
a war that began in 2014, 6 years before Joe Biden became 
president of the United States and one that as that war 
escalated while he was president he put together a coalition--
unprecedented coalition of 56 different countries dealing with 
a contact defense group working to--in conjunction with all our 
allies and the NATO allies, in particular 32 NATO allies that 
expanded under his watch as well.
    I would like to talk about--recently I was just a few weeks 
ago in Ukraine, spoke with President Zelensky, spoke with the 
minister of defense there among others, and saw the impact of 
the 6-month delay that occurred in this Congress.
    As grateful as we are that we finally had a vote on it the 
Speaker held this up for 6 months in spite of the fact there 
were 311 Members of Congress in bipartisan fashion that voted 
for that and it did have an effect. That's the one thing that 
became clear from that visit and became clear afterwards.
    That also is a concern that people had. Our NATO allies 
that I'm in contact with all the time are concerned, not about 
our current president but our former president who in spite of 
the fact that about two-thirds of our NATO countries and NATO 
allies have reached their threshold has said that if all of 
them aren't by that time, including a country like Luxembourg, 
then they'll be on their own. That's where the concern rests 
today.
    But the war has taken a terrible toll and taken terrible 
concerns. There is somewhere in the vicinity of 120,000 
documented war crimes by Russia.
    The kidnapping of children still remains a very difficult 
issue and chemical weapons have been documented as being used 
as well, and the attacks on the infrastructure are enormous, 
particularly in a major city--the second biggest city of 
Kharkiv.
    And along those lines, Mr. Secretary, I just want to see 
what you can say in an open hearing in this regard. I know some 
things will be classified but if you could give us some 
indication, even if there's an openness and general discussion 
on the issue.
    I do believe when you look at what's happening in Kharkiv 
myself that just something that's maybe five miles away where 
they're lobbing these weapons, destroying the infrastructure of 
the second biggest city, that this should be more of a clear 
message from the United States with U.S. weapons that at least 
they can retaliate in a defensive position in that kind of 
proximity to go back at the source of that.
    So could you share with us what you can? Is there an 
openness to that discussion with the United States and with the 
coalition that we have so that that can be more clear? Because 
President Zelensky, members of their parliament, other 
officials that I've spoken with, are concerned that they won't 
be able to do that.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, first of all, we are grateful that 
the supplemental was approved and is not only approved but the 
materials that are being paid for by the supplemental are now 
getting there.
    I wish it hadn't taken 6 months, really, just in the nick 
of time. I was just there as well. I was in Ukraine about a 
week ago, 10 days ago, and I also want to applaud the chairman 
of the committee for the work that he did to make sure that we 
got the supplemental through.
    We are determined to make sure that not only does Ukraine 
have what it needs to defend itself but we, obviously, 
constantly have to look at what those needs are in any given 
moment and how it can most effectively deal with this. So we're 
always----
    Mr. Keating. Are there just at least an openness to that 
discussion because I had another question.
    Secretary Blinken. We're always open to--we're always open 
to conversations with our allies and partners about what their 
needs are. We want to make sure that they have what they need 
and what----
    Mr. Keating. I'll convey to you at least my feeling, that 
they should be able to do that and I hope that that discussion 
can occur quickly.
    Just quickly--I've got a few seconds left and it's tough--I 
just wanted to deal with Georgia, for instance. There's a real 
concern in Georgia now about backsliding that's going on now, 
the controversy about the, you know, foreign agents press bill 
in Georgia. Could you just comment on our efforts to try and 
deal with that issue?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. We're very concerned about the 
foreign agents law that was passed. I think it's right out of 
Moscow's playbook, unfortunately, and I think it clearly 
counters the desire of the overwhelming majority of Georgians 
to move toward the EU and the EU integration.
    So we are looking very hard at what we can do in response 
to that and I anticipate we will take actions. The EU is 
looking at the impact on the accession process for Georgia so I 
would anticipate that there will be things to come because of 
the impact that this law may have.
    Mr. Keating. Due to the constraints at this time I'll have 
to followup with some written questions.
    Secretary Blinken. I'd be happy to----
    Mr. Keating. Again, I thank you for your extraordinary 
service and I yield back.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields.
    The chair recognizes Mr. Wilson.
    Mr. Wilson. Secretary Blinken, earlier this week I was 
grateful to achieve a phone call with the very dynamic and 
dedicated daughters of the late Majd Kamalmaz who was 
identified as having been murdered by the Assad regime.
    Dr. Kamalmaz, an American psychologist, was kidnapped by 
the Assad dictatorship in 2017 while visiting an elderly family 
member. He was a devoted person to counseling people who have 
suffered from extreme danger. He was the father of four 
children.
    Dr. Kamalmaz is a Syrian American. Can you explain the 
refusal of the administration to say his name or condemn his 
murder at the hands of the Assad regime? Will there be a 
criminal investigation into his murder?
    Secretary Blinken. I'm happy to pursue that with you and I 
need to make sure that I know the full facts of this.
    Mr. Wilson. And, hey, we're going to get them to you----
    Secretary Blinken. Happy to pursue that.
    Mr. Wilson [continuing]. Because Dr. Kamalmaz was a great 
American, a Syrian American who was flat out murdered. 
Additionally, as so accurately exposed by Chairman Mike McCaul, 
the war criminal Putin is attacking Ukrainian citizens from 
Russian territory.
    It's just 30 miles to the second largest city of Kharkiv 
with a population of 1.4 million, and I'm really grateful we 
see with Congressman Bill Keating that our concern is 
bipartisan. Hey, we want you to do good. We want to succeed.
    War criminal Putin is murdering Ukrainian civilians as we 
speak, sacrificing Ukrainian lives to satisfy the false 
escalation narratives that has been repeatedly being--seen as 
false. It's also immoral.
    When will the administration allow Ukraine to use the 
equipment to end the war and save lives? This is important. To 
delay equipment could lead to the legacy of Biden-Blinken with 
a never-ending war as has been warned by the Washington Post 
even.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you, Congressman.
    In every step along the way we have endeavored to make sure 
that Ukraine has what it needs when it needs it, can use it 
effectively, can maintain it effectively. As I said to 
Congressman Keating, we're always open to listening to our 
partners and as necessary making adjustments. So we'll 
continue----
    Mr. Wilson. And, hey, this is so clear. This is response to 
an illegal invasion. This should be to deter mass murder that's 
being conducted and to not allow the people of Ukraine to 
respond properly is putting so many people at risk.
    And then we have dictators with rule of gun invading 
democracies with rule of law and our enemies are clear. War 
criminal Putin claims Ukraine does not exist. The murderous 
regime in Tehran and its puppets claim Israel does not exist 
and the Chinese Communist Party says that Taiwan does not 
exist.
    Sadly, Taiwan has paid for defensive weapons which are 
being delayed and there must be a deterrence to save millions 
of lives of the people of Taiwan. It's crucial for anti-ship 
missiles, air defense, and F-16 advances.
    I particularly appreciate the people of Chinese heritage as 
the only son of a--serving in Congress of a World War II Flying 
Tiger who liberated China. And so we liberated China but now 
the people of Taiwan are subject to a potential invasion and 
the way to deter it is to provide the equipment. They paid for 
the equipment.
    We authorized funding for the equipment. What is your 
commitment to expedite the delivery to deter a murderous 
catastrophe?
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you very much, Congressman.
    We have notified more than $6 billion in foreign military 
sales during this administration, 13 proposed sales in 1922 
that I went forward with, another seven in 1923. That's by far 
the largest single and 2-year notifications that we have made 
of weapon sales.
    The challenge that we have, as you know, in terms of moving 
forward on them is with our production time lines and we are 
doing everything we can for a whole variety of reasons 
including Taiwan to make sure that those production lines are 
moving more quickly, more efficiently, to be able to deliver on 
the weapons that we're providing to those who need them for 
their self-defense.
    We're committed to Taiwan's defense. We're committed to 
making sure that it has what it needs to defend itself 
commensurate with the threat it faces. But the challenge that 
we have, as I think many members of this committee know, is 
with production and making sure that moves as quickly and 
efficiently as possible.
    Mr. Wilson. And time is of the essence. There must be 
deterrence to avoid an invasion and that can be done if we 
provide the equipment and with the prepositioned equipment that 
we have around the world that there should be expedited to the 
people of Taiwan to avoid what will be the most catastrophic 
world incident after, sadly, the abandonment of the people of 
Afghanistan with 13 dead Americans.
    Secretary Blinken. Indeed, we have used----
    Mr. Wilson. And so every effort must be made to prevent an 
invasion. With that, I yield back.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields.
    The chair recognizes Mr. Bera.
    I'm sorry. I recognize the ranking member, Mr. Meeks, for 
an opening statement and questions.
    Mr. Meeks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for allowing 
me to make my opening statement. As you know, I was with 
President Ruto and the Speaker. Thank you very much.
    I'll begin by welcoming Secretary Blinken to the House 
Foreign Affairs Committee, and I know there's much that has 
already been talked about and much more that demands your 
attention all over the world. I'd just say phew with your 
travel schedule.
    Mr. Secretary, I appreciate how generous you've always been 
with your time and how responsive the department has been to 
the request made by this committee during your tenure.
    By my count this is your fifth appearance before this 
committee, which is certainly way more than your immediate 
predecessor. Since you've last testified before us the 
geopolitical landscape has only grown in complexity, plagued by 
continued rise in conflict, democratic backsliding, and 
humanitarian catastrophes.
    Hamas' October 7th terrorist attack, the most horrific and 
brutal terrorist attack in Israel's history, has prompted a war 
against Hamas that has now cost tens of thousands of lives 
including innocent civilians, children, and women.
    The people of Gaza now face famine like conditions, which 
is why I commend the State Department and this administration's 
tireless efforts to broker a cease-fire that would free the 
hostages, which would include five Americans, and allow 
humanitarian aid to reach the population.
    I appreciate the administration's efforts to caution Israel 
against launching a large-scale military operation in Rafah 
without a credible plan for minimizing civilian casualties and 
stabilizing a post-war Gaza and we look forward to hearing more 
from you, Mr. Secretary, on the department's ongoing efforts to 
address this crisis.
    Gaza is one of many humanitarian crises around the world 
and I know your department remains focused on alleviating human 
suffering in places like Sudan where we see the largest number 
of people facing extreme food shortages in the world.
    The situation in Haiti has only grown more dire with Port-
au-Prince having devolved into lawlessness resulting from 
horrific violence including systemic sexual violence 
perpetrated by gangs.
    And I'm grateful that President Ruto, who I just met with, 
of Kenya is here in Washington, DC, this week as Kenya is not 
only vital for sustained U.S. engagement with Africa, it is 
also leading the multinational security support mission to 
Haiti that is key to promoting stability as Haitians work to 
restore democratic governance in their country.
    And since your last testimony we have also seen Putin's 
illegal war on Ukraine into a new deadly phase as Russian 
forces pummel civilian infrastructure with warheads on a level 
not seen since the beginning of the war and pushed to once 
again take Kharkiv. Ukraine has fought desperately to hold 
ground against Russian advances amid shortages in ammunition 
and defense weapons--defensive weapons caused largely in part, 
of course, by the efforts of extreme MAGA Republicans to block 
the President's national security supplemental.
    Thankfully, Democrats worked across the aisle to pass the 
supplemental package and I look forward to hearing more on how 
the State Department is working to quickly fulfill deliveries 
of those arms shipments so that Ukraine can replenish its 
stockpiles and continue its existential fight against Moscow.
    And it's clear that the atrocities of the world--the 
autocracies of the world are coordinating now more than ever to 
challenge the free democratic world and undermine U.S. 
interests and the international rules-based system that has for 
decades promoted peace and prosperity.
    Under President Biden and your leadership in the State 
Department we have strengthened American leadership, 
revitalized our alliances and our partnerships, as well as 
forged new cooperative agreements like AUKUS to promote U.S. 
national security, particularly in the Indo-Pacific.
    This diplomacy will be pivotal to ensuring the Indo-Pacific 
remains free, open, and secure, particularly as Beijing is 
increasing its aggressive actions in the South and East China 
Seas and the Taiwan Strait, using economic coercion to advance 
its malign interests.
    However, we cannot outcompete Beijing diplomatic--however, 
we cannot outcompete Beijing diplomatically or economically if 
we are not willing to make serious investments in our 
diplomatic and development tools, which brings me to the reason 
why you're here today, Mr. Secretary.
    The Biden administration's Fiscal Year 1925 budget is clear 
eyed about the complex challenges we face and is in stark 
contrast to the America first isolationism of many of my 
colleagues across the aisle who continue pushing for draconian 
cuts to the State Department's budget.
    For all the talk we hear from my Republican colleagues 
about the need to outcompete China they seem unwilling to make 
the requisite investments into our State, foreign, and 
operations and related programs a budget that meets the moment.
    So I conclude that with this. Our diplomatic and 
development personnel in the State Department need Congress to 
do its job and authorize a budget that makes investments 
commensurate to their needs and modernizes the State Department 
to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
    We need to stand by the State Department. We need State 
authorization bill passed on a regular basis for the heroes of 
the State Department, the men--the American men and women who 
are standing and I salute them as I salute our military. I 
salute them for their courage, their bravery, and for being the 
representative to the United States of America all over the 
world.
    And with that, I yield back and now I guess I can do my 
questioning. Thank you.
    So in the three and a half years the administration has 
realized our alliances, as I've just stated, in a partnership 
in the Indo-Pacific in ways that we could not have foreseen a 
few years ago.
    Before the Biden administration, the Quadrennial dialog--I 
can't even pronounce it--quadrennial--quadrilateral dialog with 
Japan----
    Chairman McCaul. Say Quad.
    Mr. Meeks. Say Quad--that's right.
    With Japan, Australia, and India ever met at the leaders 
level before the Biden administration, had the Quad--you have 
Japan, Australia, and India--did they ever meet at the leaders 
level?
    Secretary Blinken. We elevated it to the leaders level. 
That's correct.
    Mr. Meeks. And has the AUKUS security partnership that the 
administration launched with the U.K. and Australia been a game 
changer in bolstering deterrence and keeping the peace in the 
Indo-Pacific?
    Secretary Blinken. It's moving in that direction.
    Mr. Meeks. And regarding the trilateral partnership with 
Japan and Korea are we cooperating with our two Northeast Asian 
allies in ways that we had not before?
    Secretary Blinken. That's correct.
    Mr. Meeks. That is correct? And how many countries in the 
Pacific Islands has the Biden administration expanded our 
diplomatic footprint?
    Secretary Blinken. We now have an additional two embassies 
that have opened. We're looking at an additional two more. So 
we have--we'll have representation in more than half of the 
Pacific Island countries.
    Mr. Meeks. So would you say this is building resiliency 
against the PRC's malign influence in the Pacific Islands?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, I would.
    Mr. Meeks. And how has our relationship with the 
Philippines rebounded under the Biden administration?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I think we have seen an 
extraordinary relationship develop over the last--especially 
over the last year, both President Biden and President Marcos 
working more closely together than ever and that partnership--
and by the way, you mentioned the trilateral relationship with 
Japan and Korea. We also now have a trilateral partnership with 
the Philippines and Japan where we're doing work together.
    Mr. Meeks. And does this cooperation across Asia--does that 
help ensure a free and open Indo-Pacific?
    Secretary Blinken. Absolutely. We have got the most dynamic 
fastest growing region in the world. We have more than 50 
percent of global GDP in that region and, of course, the United 
States is a Pacific power.
    But being able to align so many different countries to have 
all of us working together and in the same direction that 
multiplies the impact of our diplomacy. It multiplies the 
impact we're having on advancing our interests.
    Mr. Meeks. Does it counter the PRC's undermining of rules-
based order?
    Secretary Blinken. Absolutely, and the fact that we're able 
to do it together makes the difference.
    Mr. Meeks. And let me just ask this. Could the United 
States of America have achieved this cooperation without the 
State Department?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, admittedly, I have a biased view 
on this but the answer would be no.
    Mr. Meeks. It's a great job that the State Department and 
this administration is doing. Let me turn to the concerning 
situation, of course, in Sudan. On May 14th the administration 
sanctioned two RSF forces commanders for perpetrating violence 
in Darfur and threatening the peace, security, and stability of 
Sudan.
    However, the RSF leader has not been sanctioned. The 
current fight against the RSF and Sudanese Armed Forces for the 
city of Al Fashir and Darfur risk escalating a humanitarian 
catastrophe.
    What's the State Department doing to demand accountability 
in Sudan?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, we're focused on a few things. 
First, we have, as you know, our senior envoy, Tom Perriello, 
who is out there every single day trying to drive forward on 
getting an end to the war, getting a civilian transitional 
government formed, unifying the professional armed forces, 
getting unhindered humanitarian access to people who 
desperately need it and, of course, returning to the democratic 
transition that Sudan was on before it was disrupted by the 
generals.
    We think the best way forward is to resume the Jeddah 
negotiations that Saudi Arabia had been hosting with all of the 
key stakeholders, with the Saudis, with Egypt, with the UAE, 
with the African Union, with IGAD, and also, yes, as 
appropriate to impose costs on individuals or entities that are 
escalating the conflict and committing atrocities. So we're 
very much looking at that as well.
    Mr. Meeks. Thank you. Let me also ask this. Is it critical 
that Congress reauthorize the Global Engagement Center this 
year?
    Secretary Blinken. In my judgment, it is. In fact, I 
addressed that in my opening statement. This is the one place 
in government where we bring together all of our efforts to 
counter Russian, Chinese, and other disinformation and 
misinformation and it's been one of the most effective tools 
I've seen both in exposing that disinformation and 
misinformation, giving other countries the capacity themselves 
to deal with it, and to take more effective collective action.
    So as I mentioned in my opening statement, I very much hope 
that it will be reauthorized because it sunsets a little bit 
later this year and it's a critical tool. If we take that tool 
away we are disarming ourselves in the fight against mis-and 
disinformation coming from China, coming from Russia, coming 
from others.
    Mr. Meeks. My last question--is there any merit to the 
allegations, some from the far right, that the GEC is censoring 
conservative voices here in the United States?
    Secretary Blinken. No, and, of course, we're always 
prepared to work with Congress on any concerns as we have when 
concerns was raised. We tried to make sure we provided all the 
necessary information so that people have confidence and we'll 
always continue to do that.
    But those questions have been answered and I believe, 
again, this tool is essential for us in order to deal with what 
really is a new front in the global competition and that's the 
information front. We have to be able to fight effectively on 
that front.
    Mr. Meeks. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Thank you for the 
great work you're doing and please say thank you to all of the 
employees of the State Department. I yield back.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields. The chair recognizes 
Mr. Perry.
    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Secretary, 
for being here.
    Two of our allies have been attacked, unprovoked, right--
Ukraine by Russia, Israel by Hamas--and I'm trying to juxtapose 
the situation here. I see that according to reports the 
President wants Israel to outline what governance in Gaza will 
look like after an invasion, how Israel will reduce civilian 
harm in dense urban environments, and how to free as many 
hostages as possible prior to sending capability to Israel.
    On the other hand, I've got from the State Department here 
the integrated country strategy, and I went through it. What I 
see here is the mission and goal objective is to win the war, 
which I fully support.
    Nothing that I would like more than to see Vladimir Putin 
run out of Ukraine on a rail and worse. Restore Ukraine's 
sovereignty and territorial integrity, and we have essentially 
given Ukraine over $100 billion and said, go fight Russia. Go 
defeat Russia. Regain your territory. Fully supportive of 
Ukraine winning that war.
    But at the same time we have established a set of 
conditions on Israel. Can you--how about this condition? We 
have built at the cost to the American people--$320 million--a 
port, right. Operations were started on Friday, halted on 
Sunday because Hamas attacked the port, right.
    Hamas attacks Kerem Shalom, the crossing there, which would 
allow aid from Israel in and from the United States. So Israel 
has to pay for the aid of the people that attacked it and has 
to provide this information on a plan.
    Can you tell me what the difference is? What's the 
difference between Ukraine and Israel?
    Secretary Blinken. In a sense, there isn't and as we have 
made clear from the start, these are both close partners of the 
United States.
    Mr. Perry. Well, Mr. Secretary, with all due respect, if 
there's no difference why do we have these conditions? They 
have to come up with a plan of governance in the people that 
attacked them. They've got to have a plan for the hostages.
    I mean, Russians have thousands of Ukrainian hostages, 
right, and have we--has the U.S. Government, has President 
Biden, restricted Ukraine's use of weapons in urban areas to 
reduce civilian casualties? Has that happened?
    Secretary Blinken. So, first of all, Congressman, no one 
has done more, will do more, to ensure there's----
    Mr. Perry. I know you say that but it seems like----
    Secretary Blinken. No, I don't normally say----
    Mr. Perry. Look, I'm just--I'm just reporting what I'm 
reading. I'm just going with the facts. You can say that all 
day long but the fact is that others have done more and we're 
doing more right now for Ukraine than we are for Israel.
    President Biden is doing more for Ukraine than Israel. We 
took, roughly, half of the money or more from the aid package 
passed for Israel and gave it to Hamas, who's taking it from 
the citizens in their country and using it to fight Israel. So 
while you say--so please skip the narrative and just tell me 
what the difference is between Ukraine and Israel. How come 
conditions on one and no conditions on the other?
    Secretary Blinken. These are not conditions. We give our--
to our close friends, our best friends, our best partners. One 
of our obligations is to give them the best possible advice we 
can and so when it comes to dealing with Hamas we're committed 
to seeing that Hamas cannot govern Gaza again, cannot pose the 
threat that it did that led to the October 7th attack.
    We have been doing everything we can to support Israel's 
efforts to defend itself and make sure that can't happen, and 
when it comes to--when it comes to Rafah the concern that we 
have had and that we have expressed as friends do and have an 
obligation to do is that the effort to go in full force into 
Rafah to remove the--to remove the remainder----
    Mr. Perry. Where the enemy is. Where the enemy--it was just 
reported, as you know, Mr. Secretary, 600 tunnels into Egypt, 
into Israel, traversing weapons and military equipment to 
attack Israel.
    So when you say we're doing all we can we're providing 
advice. With all due respect, sir, they need to win the war 
against Hamas and eliminate them and anything that we're doing 
that stands in their way of that is unacceptable including 
supporting Hamas, which is what we're doing.
    At the same time you're saying no one has done more, well, 
no one has done more for Hamas either.
    Secretary Blinken. I, to say the least, don't follow that. 
Let me say that very quickly, one, we want to make sure that 
the defeat of Hamas is an enduring defeat, and even if they go 
into Rafah and remove the remaining battalions there'll be 
thousands--thousands--of armed Hamas left. Absent a plan for 
what comes after--and this is not a condition, it's simply our 
advice--one of three things can happen. Either Hamas will 
remain----
    Mr. Perry. What is Ukraine's plan for Russia once they kick 
Russia out of their country?
    Secretary Blinken. I actually laid that out just about a 
week ago in Ukraine and I'm happy to share that with you.
    Mr. Perry. It's not in here, sir.
    Secretary Blinken. I'm happy to--I'll share it with you. We 
are----
    Mr. Perry. Sir, there are two different standards. You must 
admit that and we in Congress wonder why and the American 
people wonder why.
    With that, Mr. Chair, I yield.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields. The chair recognizes 
Mr. Bera.
    Mr. Bera. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and, again, thank you 
for being here and the hard work that you're doing. I'm tired 
from all the travel that I do and I can only imagine. I'm going 
to focus in on the Indo-Pacific.
    The ranking member, I think, took a lot of my talking 
points but I do want to emphasize the work that the 
administration's done there from the early days of the 
administration, really focusing in on a strong trilateral 
relationship between the--between Korea, Japan, and the United 
States, and it really is at the best place that I've seen it in 
my 12 years.
    So really want to applaud the administration from early two 
by twos, State visits, and then the Camp David accords. I know 
we are working on something very similar on a trilateral basis 
so Congress, the General Assembly, can also emphasize the 
importance of the trilateral with Japan, the Philippines, the 
United States that, you know, was unveiled, you know, just last 
month is incredibly important and I think we'll continue to see 
that prosper.
    The ranking member talked about the Quad coalition, again, 
a very important strategic coalition. Elevating that to the 
leaders level is extremely important. AUKUS is coming together 
in a very strategic way.
    So with the goal in mind of maintaining a peaceful, 
prosperous, stable Indo-Pacific I think the administration gets 
an A+. It has done a remarkable job and, again, we will 
continue to work on that from the congressional perspective.
    I recently had the chance to--you talked a little bit about 
the Pacific Islands and reestablishing a diplomatic presence--
led a delegation to Fiji, Tonga, and Tuvalu and in Nuku'alofa 
when we were there, and I think you were actually there 
previously as well, just reestablishing an embassy there you 
could sense the excitement of the Tongan individuals.
    We have got a great diplomatic staff. It's small but very 
enthusiastic and, again, small investments like that go a long 
ways. The one thing that the Tongans raised was the lack of 
being able to get visas.
    There's a large vibrant Tongan-American administration. We 
did raise that with the embassy staff back there. You know, 
right now they've got to fly to Fiji but, again, hopefully in 
the Fiscal Year 1925 budget we can continue to expand services 
and do that.
    I also want to applaud opening embassies in the Seychelles 
and the Maldives--incredibly important areas. We see in the 
Maldives, you know, obviously, a large exclusive economic zone.
    We're watching, you know, this tete-a-tete between India 
and China. But our being there, our having an embassy there, 
our having an ambassador there is incredibly important.
    My question would be if you can talk a little bit about the 
Fiscal Year 1925 budget request with regards to the Pacific 
Islands but also the Indian Ocean region and the embassies in 
Tonga, the Solomon Islands, the Seychelles, Maldives, and 
others.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you very much. I appreciate the 
comments on the work we're doing.
    Look, as you know, and your own engagement has demonstrated 
this, when it comes to the Pacific Islands they, of course, 
inhabit this vast, vast stretch of ocean between the United 
States and our allies in Asia and so geographically it's 
usually important.
    We--the President has hosted, as you know, two White House 
summits with all of the leaders from the Pacific Islands for 
the first time coming to the White House and many of us have 
been there repeatedly, and when it comes to our presence our 
embassies, of course, are critical.
    We now have embassies in eight of the 14 Pacific Islands. 
We have two more that we hope and expect to open. We're looking 
at Vanuatu, actually, within the balance of this year, 
hopefully Kiribati after that.
    We have the newly recognized Cook Islands and Niue which 
our embassy in Wellington represents and, of course, we need 
the resources to make sure that not only can we establish these 
missions but the human resources can be there, too. You 
mentioned that we have small operations, yes, small but mighty 
but we want to make sure that they're properly resourced 
because you have to cover a vast amount of territory.
    There's something else that's important and you mentioned 
it. The collaboration that we have built with key partners in 
the region and particularly with Japan, with Korea, with 
Australia, with New Zealand, that allows us to multiply our 
efforts and to cover even more territory than we would if we 
were doing it alone.
    And so the coordination there, the work that we're doing 
together, for example, to bring undersea cables to the islands, 
doing that with Japan, with Taiwan, and others to connect 
people that is all vital as well.
    But it also requires resources in order to do that, to 
generate the private sector investment in partnerships that we 
need. All of that's reflected in the budget.
    Mr. Bera. And, again, I applaud that, and when I was in 
Tuvalu last month getting the Japanese to drop cables 
incredibly important.
    So with that, I yield back.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields.
    The chair recognizes Mr. Issa.
    Mr. Issa. Mr. Secretary, thank you once again. I've got 
more questions than time but hopefully we can get through some 
of them fairly quickly.
    We talked a little bit earlier. Currently, at my border--my 
100 miles of the Mexican border--we have a massive amount of 
immigrants coming not from South or Central America but from 
disparate places and I'll just take one example.
    The people coming there from China, over 20,000 of them in 
the last month, they flew typically to Turkey, then to Mexico, 
and then came into the United States.
    Turkey does not allow Chinese to enter Turkey without a 
visa. Mexico does not allow people to enter including Chinese 
without a visa. However, they are currently entering because 
they say, oh, just let us off the plane and we'll go to 
America.
    As our head diplomat with these two allies, one of them a 
NATO ally, can you or will you attempt to tell them that under 
international law if they don't have a visa to the United 
States you do not want them to come to make a claim that they 
could have or should have made before they got to our border?
    Secretary Blinken. In short, yes. I think you've identified 
a very important problem. You mentioned the case of China. We 
have a record increase in the number of Chinese who are seeking 
to get into the United States who presented themselves in one 
way or another and there are other nationalized, too, that are 
far afield from our own hemisphere.
    Mr. Issa. I mentioned China mostly because as we both know 
they won't take them back once they get here.
    Secretary Blinken. So you've identified an important 
problem and we have been acting on it. We have been working 
with countries in the region to get requirements for visas so 
that people can't simply come to those countries without a visa 
and then use that as a platform to come into the United States.
    We have reached agreements in a variety of ways with 
Colombia, with Ecuador, with El Salvador, with Guatemala, with 
Mexico, actually, as well as with Panama and we continue to 
make sure that to the best of our ability those countries put 
in place what's needed so that people from far afield can't 
avail themselves of the opportunity to----
    Mr. Issa. Excellent. Thank you, Secretary. As I said, I've 
got a bunch here.
    Secretary Blinken. Please.
    Mr. Issa. Hopefully, what we passed out of the committee 
this morning giving export controls for AI will be a tool that 
will be used heavily out of Commerce and will benefit our war 
against a number of countries and I'm going to just deal with 
one for a moment.
    When President Biden entered office there were about 
300,000 barrels a day leaving Iran. Today there are reported to 
be over 2 million barrels a day leaving Iran. They had about 70 
ships. They now have about 400 ships. They are called ghost 
ships.
    I know that you do not run a military force but as our 
chief diplomat and a member of the National Security Council 
couldn't or shouldn't we be able to, essentially, capture those 
ships on the high sea and take them out of commission to 
ultimately enforce sanctions?
    You're our number-one sanctions supporter but your 
sanctions, now that they've circumvented SWIFT and the other 
economic trades, have become somewhat muted. What should we do 
in combination with the other entities?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, so I think there are a few things, 
Congressman.
    First, we have sanctioned in the oil/petroleum product 
sector more than 200 Iranian entities or individuals who have 
been engaged in that trade. We have done it across multiple 
jurisdictions. Anyone who has a role in the production, the 
sale, the shipment of these petrochemicals or petrol chemicals. 
But we also identified, yes----
    Mr. Issa. But, Mr. Secretary, in the limited time can you 
get to the ships?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. So on the ships we have identified 
to date through our laws 50 vessels that we have determined are 
blocked property. In other words, people can't deal with them--
they can't go to a port, they can't get service--and we'll 
continue on that effort to identify those vessels, block them.
    We're also looking at getting countries to deflag these 
vessels so, again, they won't be able to move around, travel 
around, get the services they need.
    The sanctions that we have imposed have made all of this a 
lot more expensive for the Iranians. As they try to evade them, 
get around them, they're not getting the revenues that they 
anticipated getting from their massive efforts to sell oil.
    Mr. Issa. Mr. Secretary, as I run out of time, let me just 
ask one final followup on that. I believe if Ronald Reagan were 
president or someone like him those ships would not be on the 
high sea.
    Do you have or would you accept the authority from Congress 
if you don't have it to, in fact, seize those clandestine ships 
as Ronald Reagan would have?
    Remember, Ronald Reagan sunk two Iranian ships because of 
what they were doing. I believe strongly that if you don't have 
the authority the Congress on a bipartisan basis would give you 
the authority to intervene, to capture those ships, to work 
with the flagged nations to put all 400 out of commission. Will 
you commit to work with us on that effort?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, as I think you mentioned or one of 
our colleagues mentioned, we don't actually have a military at 
the State Department so that's not our business. Our focus is 
on working with other countries and using our own authorities 
in the areas that we can to go after anyone who's engaged in 
shipping, supplying, transporting this--these products and 
that's what we'll continue to do.
    Mr. Issa. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentleman yields. The chair recognizes 
Mr. Castro.
    Mr. Castro. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Secretary, for 
your testimony today.
    Before I start with my questions I wanted to say thank you 
so much for your work, the work of Director Burns, our national 
security adviser, and others who have worked hard to achieve a 
cease-fire in the Israel/Palestine situation and also release 
of the hostages. So thank you for your hard work on that.
    I understand your position regarding jurisdiction and views 
on the recent announcement by the International Criminal 
Court's prosecutor to recommend warrants for the arrest of the 
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Minister 
Gallant as well as Hamas leaders.
    You've also been a long-standing champion of both the U.N. 
system and other international organizations. The United States 
has also supported ICC investigations of Russian crimes in 
Ukraine and of crimes committed in Sudan and the Central 
African Republic.
    So I wanted to ask you do you believe that the independence 
of the International Criminal Court should be respected?
    Secretary Blinken. I have to tell you, Congressman, that 
the decision that the prosecutor made is both incredibly 
wrongheaded and, in my judgment, undermines the credibility of 
the court.
    You're right that we have sought to find ways to work with 
the court to support its efforts including in Ukraine, Sudan, 
other places, but to have gone forward with these warrant 
requests to do it in the way that it was done, first of all, 
the court itself--and I had a long conversation with the----
    Mr. Castro. But the court--but do you believe the court 
should maintain its independence?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I think it should maintain its 
independence but I also think it should act pursuant to its own 
mandate and charter, and what's clear from the creation of the 
court is it's supposed to be a court of last resort to act 
where other countries cannot or will not.
    Mr. Castro. No, and I think you all put out a strong 
statement. I want to ask you----
    Secretary Blinken. Israel has----
    Mr. Castro. But at the same time----
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. On time investigations of 
itself and it's demonstrated time and time again that it will 
investigate alleged violations of the law. There are multiple--
--
    Mr. Castro. At the same time--but, Secretary, let me ask 
you, at the same time you would agree that there shouldn't be 
any intimidation or coercion of the ICC?
    Secretary Blinken. It's not a question of intimidating or 
coercing. It's a question of seeing a wrongheaded decision but 
also seeing what was genuinely a shameful--a shameful 
comparison----
    Mr. Castro. This court is going to have to exist well 
beyond even what's going on now, right? I mean, there will be 
other issues that it takes up with other nations in the future.
    Secretary Blinken. It will have to determine what it does 
and where it goes. But in this instance I can tell you that not 
only was it wrongheaded but there was a shameful equivalence.
    Mr. Castro. Let me ask you this. As you know, the previous 
administration attempted to coerce the ICC by imposing 
sanctions on its then prosecutor and their staff. In April 2021 
you rescinded those sanctions and said that, quote, ``Concerns 
about these cases would be better addressed through engagement 
with all stakeholders in the ICC process rather than through 
the imposition of sanctions.''
    Do you continue to impose sanctions on the ICC as you did 3 
years ago?
    Secretary Blinken. When we lifted those sanctions it was, 
first and foremost, to make sure that we can do everything 
possible to protect our own service members including those who 
served in Afghanistan and also to see if we could find a basis 
for supporting the court's efforts in critical places and we 
were able to do that.
    But the actions that were taken really call into question 
whether that's possible and, certainly, not possible in this 
instance.
    Mr. Castro. Sure. Let me get to one more question.
    Last week Israeli minister of national security Itamar Ben-
Gvir stated that no humanitarian aid should be provided to 
Gazans until the hostages are returned, stating that, quote, 
``Want food for the children in Gaza? Then they should return 
the hostages.''
    I fully believe that Hamas' kidnapping of children was a 
war crime and have said so repeatedly and publicly, and that 
they should be unconditionally returned to their families. I 
also believe that withholding food from children cannot be the 
way to achieve that goal.
    Would you agree with that?
    Secretary Blinken. I fully and absolutely agree, and we 
have been working every single day to try to make sure that the 
children who so desperately need the food, the assistance, the 
mothers, the fathers, everyone gets it and holding anyone 
hostage in terms of food aid anywhere in the world is wrong.
    Mr. Castro. Well, let me ask you this.
    Given the senior role--given the senior role of Israeli 
ministers expressing these views--these are people very high up 
in the prime minister's cabinet--can you categorically say that 
relevant authorities in the Israeli government are not 
restricting humanitarian assistance to reach Gaza?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, that's not the policy. As I've 
said repeatedly, we have seen over these seven or 8 months now 
a clear gap----
    [Disturbance in the hearing room.]
    Chairman McCaul. The committee will suspend while the 
Capitol Police restore order.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Chairman McCaul. Mr. Secretary, you may continue.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, thank you. We are determined to do 
everything possible to make sure that people who so desperately 
need this aid get this aid, and when it comes to the policies 
of the government we're focused on those. When individuals make 
these statements we condemn them.
    Mr. Castro. Sure, and I'm out of time. But I wanted to say 
again thank you for the work that you all are--the hours, 
everything you're doing. Thank you.
    [Disturbance in the hearing room.]
    Chairman McCaul. The committee will suspend while the 
Capitol Police restore order. The committee will suspend.
    The gentleman yields. The chair recognizes Mrs. Wagner.
    Mrs. Wagner. I thank the chairman and I thank you, 
Secretary Blinken, for your service. I know this is a tough, a 
tough time for all of us.
    Sir, this administration is waffling, first in Afghanistan 
and today, shockingly to me, in Israel it has created 
instability on a massive scale.
    Secretary Blinken, the world, as we have all discussed 
here, is on fire and conflicts have engulfed Europe and the 
Middle East, emboldening every single dictator from Putin to Xi 
to Khamenei to attack U.S. allies and interests.
    The administration's decision to withhold weapon sales and 
deliveries to Israel in a--during a time of war, sir, just 
weeks after Iran launched unprecedented missiles, upwards of 
350 cruise ballistic missiles, drones, attacked on Israel 
directly from Iranian soil is nothing less than a betrayal of 
our ally. It is foreign policy malpractice and I guarantee you 
that Iran and Russia and China are watching the United States 
turned its back on its most important Middle Eastern ally.
    Secretary Blinken, on May 7th I sent you a letter asking 
for a full accounting of the weapon sales and deliveries to 
Israel. The administration is delaying and I want to focus 
right now very specifically, sir, in particular on the delay of 
the sale of 6,500 JDAMs.
    I'm sure you're familiar with them. These are the high 
precision GPS-oriented--you know, with the least amount of 
collateral damage in an urban area you wanted JDAM and we have 
sent out tons of them to Israel and everywhere else.
    They also just happen to be made in the St. Louis 
metropolitan area in St. Charles in my district and since I 
have not yet received a response to this letter let me ask you 
why this?
    Why has the administration failed to move forward with a 
notification process for the sale of 6,500 JDAMs to Israel and 
when will the administration resume the notification process?
    Secretary Blinken. First, and I'll respond to your question 
directly--first, when Iran launched that unprecedented attack 
that you referred to on Israel for the first time ever the 
United States actively participated in Israel's defense and we 
brought----
    Mrs. Wagner. I know. I know, and so did Jordan and so 
Saudi--we know this.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, that's right, and what we noticed 
Iran noticed and Israel noticed.
    Mrs. Wagner. I don't need history. I want answers.
    Limited time, sir. Please. My JDAMs.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. So there are a number of different 
sale proposals that are in different places at different points 
in the process and Congress----
    Mrs. Wagner. This has been months and months and months, 
sir, and we sent them to them in the past.
    Secretary Blinken. Congress right now is still reviewing a 
JDAM sale that it hasn't--that we sent forward that's not gone 
forward.
    Mrs. Wagner. What specific issues remain outstanding for 
the review?
    Secretary Blinken. We are--we follow the process and we 
have gone out of our way to prenotify Congress and even----
    Mrs. Wagner. What bureaus object to the sale?
    Secretary Blinken. It's not a question of objecting. We 
want to follow the process and make sure that we move forward.
    Mrs. Wagner. Sir, please, because it has truly been months 
and months and months. Will you commit to bringing your 
personal engagement to ensure the process for this specific 
case moves expeditiously?
    Secretary Blinken. We're going to make sure that all of the 
cases move appropriately and expeditiously including this one.
    Mrs. Wagner. Well, this one sure has not, and have any 
divisions within State conducted any economic analysis to 
measure the impact of potential even job losses and furloughs 
because of your decision to pause this pending arms sale and, 
if not, why not?
    Because you know what, sir? My constituents in St. Louis 
greater metropolitan area they were--this whole region they 
rely on these jobs to pay for their mortgages, their car 
payments, the daycare costs, and they can't afford to lose 
their jobs to support this partisan stall tactic.
    Secretary Blinken. There is no pause.
    Mrs. Wagner. They're sitting in a warehouse, 6,500 of them.
    Secretary Blinken. There is no pause, and as I said in many 
cases including this one we have previewed with Congress, which 
we are not at all obligated to do, sales that we were 
contemplating and had not yet decided on and there are things--
--
    Mrs. Wagner. You have not come to us to tell us this. We 
read about this in Axios, the Wall Street Journal, and CNN. 
Arms sales to trusted partners like Israel, Taiwan, and NATO 
allies are a critical component of our national security.
    Secretary Blinken. They are.
    Mrs. Wagner. Are you concerned that delaying sales to 
Israel will diminish our credibility as the arsenal of 
democracy?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, we're following the process and, 
again, I invite you to look at----
    Mrs. Wagner. Well, the process has taken too darn long and 
they've been sitting there for months and no one's explaining 
what's holding them up but you all. They have been signed off 
on.
    I mean, the United States, sir, has obligations to our 
friends and allies including Israel and our unshakeable 
commitment to Israel's security is clearly laid out in the 2016 
MOU that Congress has fully funded every year since it was 
signed.
    Secretary Blinken. And Joe Biden was the one who brought 
that MOU.
    Mrs. Wagner. And when we honor our obligations the world is 
a safer place. But when the United States fails to keep its 
promises and the commitments the U.S. is now failing to keep 
its promise to Israel.
    We are telling our enemies that we are unreliable and 
irresolute partners. That is incredibly damaging to global 
security and the administration needs to right this ship and 
fully restore U.S. security assistance to Israel.
    My time has expired and I yield back.
    Chairman McCaul. The gentlelady yields.
    The chair recognizes Ms. Titus.
    Ms. Titus. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Secretary, as you know I represent Las Vegas and we 
have an economy that's pretty uniquely dependent on tourism. 
Just last year we had 359,000 jobs in tourism, $20 billion in 
wages, and almost $80 billion in overall economic input.
    But the excessive wait times for visas are really hurting 
communities like mine at the different U.S. consular posts 
around the world.
    And just to put this in perspective, the World Cup is 
coming to the Americas in 2026. It's expected to attract 8 
million international visitors. Some, we think, will come to 
Las Vegas from southern California. Tickets go on sale December 
2025.
    But in many countries the wait time for getting a visa 
might make it already too late. In Mumbai the next available 
interview is October 2025, just 2 months before tickets go on 
sale.
    In Bogota it's February 2026, nearly 2 months after they go 
on sale and in Mexico City it's already too late. The available 
interview is in August 2026, which is a month after the World 
Cup is over.
    Now, I know you all have been making progress lowering wait 
times. You have a expanded interview waiver authority. But what 
about the people who haven't been here before?
    And I think this problem is not only hurting us 
economically but it's part of our soft power and our cultural 
diplomacy.
    So could you talk a little bit about how we can address 
this problem? Do you need additional resources? What the 
situation is.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you. No, I very, very much agree 
with you. We're intensely focused on this. In Fiscal Year 1923 
we issued more nonimmigrant visas by over 20 percent than we 
did before the pandemic, which is when we started to have real 
challenges with both visas outside of the country, passports 
inside of the country, and we have reduced now interview 
times--the wait times for interviews--to prepandemic levels in 
every category except one and the one is first time visitors to 
the United States who are from nonvisa waiver countries.
    So that's what we're intensely focused on now, making sure 
that those wait times come down along with every other wait 
time. The wait times that have come down, again, to prepandemic 
levels include the categories that are most impactful on the 
United States economy--students, temporary workers, maritime 
crew renewals, et cetera.
    But the focus now is on making sure that those who are 
coming for the first time and are not coming from a visa waiver 
country that those times come down.
    Ms. Titus. Are you keeping in mind the World Cup that's 
coming rapidly to our city?
    Secretary Blinken. Very much. Very much so.
    Ms. Titus. Well, we appreciate that. Thank you.
    My other question has to do with the Global Engagement 
Center. The Republicans on this committee seem to be confused 
about what that does or, maybe more importantly, what it 
doesn't do and that's been made pretty manifest in this flawed 
so-called investigation that they're conducting.
    Would you talk about the national security consequences of 
failing to reauthorize the GEC?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, thank you.
    As I mentioned, it's the only part of the U.S. Government 
that is singularly dedicated to directing and coordinating our 
efforts to counter foreign propaganda and disinformation 
abroad, and I think if it were to be terminated--that is, if 
the sunset was allowed to happen without being reauthorized--we 
would have a policy and operational incoherence.
    We'd have degraded public response to information 
manipulation by China, by Russia, by Iran, by other foreign 
actors, and a growing number of allies who rely on the GEC to 
help them develop the tools to expose and to deal with 
misinformation and disinformation also would be let down.
    We have seen time and again now the effectiveness of this 
organization in exposing that disinformation in other parts of 
the world including in our hemisphere.
    Ms. Titus. Could you give us an example of that so it's 
really clear what the GEC does?
    Secretary Blinken. Sure. I mean--so, for example, we have 
seen that Russian websites that were producing and 
disseminating disinformation and misinformation in the Western 
Hemisphere, in Africa, they were exposed. They were removed.
    We revealed a campaign by Russia targeting U.S. and Western 
health initiatives in Africa trying to undermine the 
credibility of those initiatives. They were exposed and we were 
able to deal with that.
    We revealed a campaign to launder Kremlin disinformation 
through local media in the Western Hemisphere trying to gin up 
arguments against Ukraine, against NATO, in our own hemisphere. 
Exposed, and we were able to more effectively deal with that.
    Similarly with China we have seen Chinese disinformation in 
third countries about elections. We have done open source 
mapping through the GEC of their efforts to use surveillance 
and data collection in Xinjiang, which we have made available 
to people.
    So in a whole variety of ways we have been able to not only 
expose this but also working with countries we now have 29 
countries that use the GEC platform and hundreds of users to 
not only expose but also help develop the tools themselves to 
take action to remove and deal with disinformation.
    But I want to emphasize this has nothing to do with the 
United States. It's not focused on that.
    Mrs. Wagner [presiding]. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Ms. Titus. I'm sorry. You took a little more extra time. So 
could you finish?
    Secretary Blinken. Not focused on this country at all. It 
is entirely about misinformation and disinformation abroad 
being perpetrated by adversaries like----
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from 
Florida, Mr. Mast, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Mast. Thank you, Chairwoman. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
    I want to talk about a few different areas of spending. My 
colleague just brought up the Global Engagement Center. Now, 
whether we're talking about GEC or State officially or USAID or 
U.S. Agency for Global Media, the fact of the matter is you 
guys put out solicitations, grants, sub grants, to the agencies 
that--or to the entities that get grants, NGO's, you name it--
dollars spread across the globe, and this is the statement--
what I believe should be a statement of policy bipartisanly 
between Republicans and Democrats in the House, those in the 
Senate.
    Until State, USAID, all those agencies, start giving us 
notice of every one of those grants, sub grants, 
solicitations--start giving us notice of every single one of 
them we should not be giving you one more dollar and I think 
the proof for why that is the case is in how--in far too many 
circumstances you all really have no idea where the money is 
going.
    And I'm not saying it's easy to figure out where it's going 
in every circumstance but that can't be the situation and I'm 
going to reference a few different places.
    You have NAS sitting behind you here. We had a hearing for 
a couple hours here in this very room where we discussed just a 
half million dollar grant to expand atheism in Nepal. It was 
denied for a couple hours until we held up the actual 
solicitation for the grant and then, of course, it was 
acknowledged that it did actually take place.
    And then we got a call a couple weeks later saying, oh, and 
by the way, the agency that we gave it to they didn't even give 
us all of the information on it in the slides. It's just one 
example. I'm not going to hash it all out.
    But it's one example of you all didn't know where the money 
that you sent out there from the U.S. taxpayer was going. I was 
reading over the last 24 hours the Special Investigation into 
Afghanistan Reconstruction--the SIGAR report--and looking at 
the amount of money that has gone directly to the Taliban.
    It's not a mystery. It's not something to argue about. It 
is a fact money going directly to the Taliban that's gone out 
through all of these agencies that State works with and, 
specifically, 144 partners were referenced in this SIGAR 
report.
    And when it talks about it it talks about the 144 partners 
and the questions that they were asked, but of those partners 
only 65 of them actually chose to answer to the inspector 
general about where the dollars were going. The other 79 didn't 
even feel like they had to answer questions about where the 
U.S. taxpayer dollars were being spent.
    We saw it from the Pentagon just in the last day that--on 
this massive pier that was built that was worked on by you all, 
that none of the aid has yet made it to the people of Gaza yet. 
It's sitting in warehouses and other places.
    Again, just to the point that there's not nearly enough 
accountability and we should be receiving every grant, every 
sub grant, every awardee, every solicitation that should be 
sent through this body for review whether in a classified or 
unclassified setting.
    Now, I do have a couple of questions on that. I spoke about 
the 79 grantees in part that did not respond to the SIGAR 
report and I have a question about them.
    Since that time, have you frozen any of the bank accounts 
of those 79 entities?
    Secretary Blinken. Congressman, we have looked very hard at 
the SIGAR report. I think it's important to note that money 
does not go directly to Taliban. It goes to the United Nations, 
NGO's. We have dedicated about $2 billion so that the people in 
Afghanistan----
    Mr. Mast. No, no. Now you're literally telling lies to the 
American people. These State dollars went directly to those 
that were solicited to do it--these implementing partners as 
it's referred to--and they paid directly money to the Taliban.
    Sometimes they labeled it taxes. Sometimes they labeled it 
value added taxes. Sometimes they labeled it a host of 
different things.
    But do not pretend that money did not go directly to the 
Taliban.
    Secretary Blinken. It did not go directly to the Taliban. 
Let me--again, if you'll give me one chance to just lay this 
out very quickly.
    Mr. Mast. No.
    Secretary Blinken. It went--well, Okay. I mean, I'm here to 
answer questions. If you don't want----
    Mr. Mast. Because anybody can go out there and read the 
SIGAR report.
    Secretary Blinken. I invite them to do that.
    Mr. Mast. That's a----
    Secretary Blinken. So I acknowledge that helping the Afghan 
people, 10 million--.05 percent were----
    Mr. Mast. The answer is no. Not looking to have you 
filibuster the time for this. I do have some more questions. 
Have you frozen any of the bank accounts of the 79 entities 
that just chose to say, piss off, America--we don't feel like 
answering your questions about where----
    Secretary Blinken. We have just gotten the report and we'll 
work on any consequences that need to followup on it.
    Mr. Mast. So no, though? That's the answer? Nothing frozen 
yet.
    Any shuttered offices or deregistration from lists of 
partners that you have worked with?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, I think this report came forward 
just a few days ago. We are, obviously, looking at it. We're 
working at it and we'll see what steps need to be taken to deal 
with it.
    Mr. Mast. Good. Do look at that and do work on that. One 
other question here and I will read a statement here from the 
SIGAR. They did ask this question to affirm the accuracy and 
completeness of the responses provided.
    They requested that State attest to the questionnaire that 
it was distributed to all implementing partners, that responses 
were not altered, and attempts were not made to influence the 
implementing partners and State refused to answer if that was 
the case. Would you answer that?
    Secretary Blinken. I'm certainly not aware of that. I'm 
happy to look into it.
    Mr. Mast. Thank you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman's time has expired. The chair 
now recognizes the gentleman from Minnesota, Mr. Phillips, for 
5 minutes.
    Mr. Phillips. Thank you, Madam Chair. Welcome, Mr. 
Secretary.
    Let me start by defending you, the overwhelming majority of 
those of us on this committee, in this entire Congress, 
Americans, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, agnostics, 
around the world, even Israelis and Palestinians, which is to 
say we're all disgusted.
    We all want peace. We do not want war. We want prosperity, 
not misery, and to accuse any of us including you of being 
butchers or ignorant is shameful, and I want to remind those 
protesting you have that right because this is America but you 
can't make peace with terrorists and we probably can't make 
peace as long as Benjamin Netanyahu is the prime minister of 
Israel.
    I think those two things can be true at once. But I want to 
remind everybody here that we're in this business to make 
peace, not war, and that's what I want to focus on--not bombs 
but peace and say too that one child being murdered is too 
many, whether that's in a school here in the United States 
because of sickening gun violence, whether it's a terrorist 
attack in Tel Aviv, or whether it is a bomb in Gaza. One is too 
many.
    Mr. Secretary, where do we go from here? A lot of the 
questions have been retrospective about holds and bombs and 
missiles and support. Where do we go from here? Seventy-five 
years of misery.
    You have one of the hardest jobs in the world. I know where 
your heart is. What happens next and what do we need to do to 
finally end this nonsense, identify a path to peace and 
prosperity and mutual security?
    Secretary Blinken. I appreciate your comments, Congressman, 
and I would say that I think there is a clear path and the 
clear path goes with the following.
    One is there's an extraordinary opportunity for Israel to 
achieve what it has sought from the day of its founding and 
that is acceptance by its neighbors to be--to have normal 
relations with all the countries in the region starting with 
Saudi Arabia, and we have been working intensively on that 
normalization process and we are very close to being able to 
complete the agreements necessary between us and Saudi Arabia.
    But then it will require Israel to make decisions about 
Gaza and ending the conflict there as well as creating a 
credible pathway to a Palestinian State. If that happens then 
Israel will get what it has long sought which is, again, 
acceptance in the region.
    It will have partners who will be looking out for it as we 
saw on April 13 and April 14 when countries in the region 
because of the United States came to its defense against this 
unprecedented attack by Iran.
    Its number-one threat and one that we face as well, Iran, 
will be isolated and, of course, the resolution, finally, of 
the Palestinian problem can be achieved in ways that guarantee 
Israel's security.
    The bottom line is you have, roughly, 5 million 
Palestinians between the West Bank and Gaza, roughly, 7 million 
Jews in Israel.
    Neither is going away. The Palestinians aren't going 
anywhere. The Jews are not going anywhere. There has to be an 
accommodation. Absent that accommodation we are in for an 
endless repeat of this cycle.
    We will always do everything we can to make sure that 
Israel can defend itself and defend Israel as necessary. But 
this path forward is clear, it's compelling, and it answers 
Israel's most profound needs. So I hope we can move down it.
    Mr. Phillips. Is it fair to say that based on your 
experience and the basic human condition that when humans have 
something to protect they act defensively, not offensively?
    Is one of the paths to peace that Israelis, we Americans, 
Palestinians, the Arab world, should understand and recognize 
the Gulf states that people need something to protect?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. When you have something to protect, 
when you have something that you take pride in then, of course, 
that's what you want to do.
    Mr. Phillips. I'm the ranking member of the Middle East 
Subcommittee, of course, with my dear friend Chairman Wilson. 
We traveled to the Middle East last--in August.
    Of course, a lot has changed since then. I've been to 
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel twice. A lot has changed, of 
course, but my question is relative to the PA.
    You know, why is this not more of a focal point right now? 
We can't make peace with Hamas. What do we need to do? What 
does Israel need to do? What can we do to at least identify a 
potentially principled leadership group to represent 
Palestinians at a table knowing--absent that there is no path?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, look, I agree with that. In the 
category of you can't beat something with nothing one of the 
answers to durably getting rid of Hamas and making sure it can 
never come back again is to have a real alternative, one that 
can actually advance the interests of the Palestinian people 
and not destroy them as Hamas has done.
    Mr. Phillips. And I only have a few seconds.
    Is Abu Mazen the man or are there other able competent next 
generation----
    Secretary Blinken. We have a new--there is a new prime 
minister. There is a new government. There's a new program to 
get it reformed to deal with corruption. We have engaged with 
the new prime minister.
    He's a serious individual who's trying, but he also needs 
the resources necessary so that the PA can deliver more 
effectively for the people it represents.
    Mr. Phillips. Thank you for sharing my sentiment. With 
that, I yield back. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman has yielded back.
    The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. 
Burchett, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Chairlady.
    Mr. Secretary, what do you think of Code Pink?
    Secretary Blinken. I think that there are very passionate 
people who are expressing deep-felt feelings. I may disagree 
with their views. I respect the right of people to make known 
their views. That's what this country is all about.
    Of course, to do it in a peaceful way, to do it in ways 
that don't disrupt the ability to have a conversation and 
engagement. But I know that people are, for the most part, 
motivated by deep felt feelings, beliefs, and passions.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, I disagree with them when I'm crossing 
the street and a lady tells me that they're going to kill my 
wife and daughter. So I think you all need to rethink your 
support of groups like that.
    Do you believe the Afghanistan withdrawal was a success?
    Secretary Blinken. I believe that the President did the 
right thing in ending America's longest war.
    Mr. Burchett. You know, Staff Sergeant Ron Knauss--his 
family is a constituent of mine--was killed there and we were 
given testimony, and then this has been told many times where 
the Marine sniper had the suicide bomber in his sights twice 
and were told that leadership, the State Department, both 
canceled that--his ability to take out that suicide bomber and 
13 brave American police----
    Secretary Blinken. The State Department has nothing to do 
with that. We don't give orders to the military. I know that--
--
    Mr. Burchett. Do you advise the military?
    Secretary Blinken. We don't advise the military. We don't 
give orders to the military.
    Mr. Burchett. Are you in contact with the military?
    Secretary Blinken. Of course. Yes, absolutely.
    Mr. Burchett. All right.
    Should we be paying taxes to the Taliban?
    Secretary Blinken. We don't pay taxes to the Taliban. As I 
think we were discussing with----
    Mr. Burchett. Mr. Secretary, the Special Inspector General 
for Afghanistan Reconstruction has found at least $10.9 million 
of U.S. taxpayer money was paid to the Taliban in the form of 
taxes since the withdrawal of 2021. Are you saying that they 
are not telling the truth?
    Secretary Blinken. So what happens is this--yes, what 
happens is this, Congressman. We provided lifesaving 
desperately needed assistance to NGO's and the United Nations, 
which has spent in Afghanistan $2 billion. Of that, according 
to the report, about $10 million or 0.5 percent----
    Mr. Burchett. Ten million maybe not a lot to you, sir, but 
I can guarantee to the people in Tennessee that's a heck of a 
lot of money. That's a heck of a lot of money, and to brush it 
off as a minuscule amount, I think, just shows how out of touch 
you are with the American people.
    Secretary Blinken. The question is what are----
    Mr. Burchett. I didn't--that was a statement. That wasn't a 
question. You provided aid to get Gaza, which was then stolen 
by Hamas. How many terrorist groups are we funding or supplying 
with aid?
    Secretary Blinken. None.
    Mr. Burchett. None? You're here to tell me that none of 
this money is flowing into----
    Secretary Blinken. We're not--we're not funding them. We're 
not supplying them. When it comes to humanitarian assistance in 
Gaza there have been instances where Hamas has seized the 
assistance but it's not being done in--ask the Israelis--in a 
in a systematic way.
    To the extent that assistance is being diverted typically 
it's because people are so desperate that they self-distribute 
the convoys. There have been incidents where it's been Hamas. I 
don't----
    Mr. Burchett. Self-distribute--you mean they just----
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, they come in----
    Mr. Burchett. Hamas stops the convoy and steals it and then 
it gets--and then----
    Secretary Blinken. Hamas just--no, desperate people. 
Desperate people, and then----
    Mr. Burchett. And then the people--and their leadership in 
Qatar or Qatar, whichever the case may be, end up billionaires.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, and that was actually Israel's 
policy for a decade. In fact, the administration today--swears 
today made clear that that was a big mistake.
    Mr. Burchett. Let me ask you this. Why are you allowing--
I'm going to be a jerk here and reclaim my time.
    Secretary Blinken. Please go ahead. Go ahead.
    Mr. Burchett. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that.
    Why are you allowing Iran to sell so much dad gum oil?
    Secretary Blinken. We are working every day to cut that 
off. I mentioned earlier that we have sanctioned more than 200 
entities and individuals. We have blocked more than 50 ships. 
We continue to look for others. We're working to deflag the 
ships and it's an effort that we're making.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, President Biden has lessened the 
sanctions on Iraq oil sales in February 2021. Since then it's 
been estimated Iran has made an additional hundred billion 
dollars from selling oil. They were a bankrupt country, 
basically, when you all took over and now they're literally 
rolling in it and they're exporting that terror with that 
terrorism.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, if you look at their economic 
situation I don't think that accords with the facts and the 
fact of the matter is we haven't lifted a single sanction 
against Iran and we continue to work to cutoff the oil and the 
petrochemicals.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, how can Iran be selling 1 million more 
barrels of oil per day than in 2020?
    Secretary Blinken. They're determined to do whatever they 
can and we're working to make sure that wherever we can we can 
deal with that.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, I appreciate that. But the time for 
Iranian appeasement is over, Mr. Secretary. The 
administration's policy toward the Middle East have not only 
made our allies in the Middle East less safe but it also has 
made the U.S. homeland less safe. Iran is far richer now than 
it was 4 years ago.
    Nobody can argue with that. You can say all the--you know, 
statistics don't lie, just statisticians, and I believe you're 
following in their footsteps, and they are using this money to 
sponsor terrorism.
    Look around you, Mr. Secretary. Your plan is not working 
again. Again, I go back to my original statement about 
Afghanistan. A young man lost his life. Every night--every day 
at my farm I drive out on the street named after Staff Sergeant 
Ryan Knauss. His life was taken short--13 brave Americans 
should be here today--by a failure on your all's part.
    I yield back, Lady Chair.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman yield yields back.
    The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. 
Connolly, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Connolly. I like Mr. Burkett but I don't think I've 
heard such a radical alternative expression of reality in a 
long time.
    Mr. Burchett. It's Burchett.
    Mr. Connolly. With respect to Afghanistan, Mr. Secretary, 
remind us who negotiated a deal with the Taliban and excluded 
the Afghan government from those negotiations and agreed to the 
release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, many of whom then took to 
the battlefield that led to the fall of Kabul. Would you remind 
us who negotiated that agreement and under whose presidency 
that occurred?
    Secretary Blinken. That was the previous administration.
    Mr. Connolly. Again, Mr. Secretary, we have done this 
before. Did that previous administration have a name?
    Secretary Blinken. The Trump administration.
    Mr. Connolly. The Trump administration. Thank you.
    And with respect to Gaza, the idea that Hamas--and I have 
no truck for Hamas. They are a terrorist organization that 
committed repugnant acts and atrocities on October 7th. But 
with respect to the blockage of, or interference with 
truckloads of food, fuel, medicine, coming into Gaza who has 
blocked the entrances into Gaza? Was it Hamas or was it the 
IDF?
    Secretary Blinken. I don't think either has blocked the 
entrances into Gaza. The issue has been making sure that there 
were more entrances so more aid could get in and we have been 
working every single month with Israel--when it comes to 
Hamas----
    Mr. Connolly. Mr. Secretary--Mr. Secretary, in the previous 
10 days 350 truckloads were allowed into Gaza. That's 35 a day. 
They need 600. It isn't Hamas or Palestinian Authority that is 
blocking those trucks. It's somebody else.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I'll give you an example. In the 
last--just in the last couple of weeks because of the 
operations around Rafah--the Rafah gate, one of the essential 
gates, was closed down and we want to see that reopened.
    Mr. Connolly. Right.
    Secretary Blinken. Now, as it happens right now the 
Egyptians are not moving forward with some assistance to go 
through Rafah because they're concerned about the ability to 
distribute the aid once it's on the other side of the gate 
because of the combat operations.
    So we're working to find a way to do that. Doing this in a 
combat environment is incredibly challenging.
    Mr. Connolly. Yes. Speaking of that, we now have sort of a 
floating port with--that you promised----
    Secretary Blinken. That's right.
    Mr. Connolly [continuing]. And that is now up and operable. 
But it was reported that none of the food that was offloaded 
has been distributed to the Palestinians in need. Can you 
enlighten us as to why not and what are we doing to correct 
that?
    Secretary Blinken. So two things. That port was designed to 
be a complement to, not a substitute for, these land access 
points. We have new ones in the north in Erez and Zikim.
    We have the critical ones in the south but they've been 
challenged by the recent operations, and when it comes to the 
port we began to move things through the dock just a few days 
ago. There was an initial attempt to deliver some of the things 
that had been coming through the port.
    Trucks went out and then, as I mentioned in another 
conversation, desperate people went at the trucks in an effort 
to get at the food before it could get to where it was supposed 
to go in order to be distributed.
    This is one of the reasons why it's so imperative that we 
surge assistance because when people are so desperate and they 
believe their only chance to get some food may be to go with 
that one truck that they see that's what they'll do.
    If you get a lot of assistance in people won't have that 
worry anymore and, by the way, those who divert the assistance, 
who steal it and then resell it, that won't be a profitable 
business because the prices will come down if more assistance 
is in.
    Mr. Connolly. And for the record, Mr. Secretary, how would 
you characterize communications between your office and the 
White House and the Israeli government with respect to Rafah 
and with respect to humanitarian aid?
    Secretary Blinken. Virtually daily is how I would describe 
it.
    Mr. Connolly. Now, how would you characterize those 
communications?
    Secretary Blinken. It is an ongoing, constant discussion 
and that's been from day one and our purpose has been to try to 
maximize the assistance that gets to people and also to 
maximize the protection of civilians who find themselves in a 
horrific crossfire of Hamas' making.
    Mr. Connolly. I think it's really important to emphasize 
that because I think sometimes the President and you have been 
subject to criticism as if you were not making those daily 
communications and presumably they're pretty emphatic.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I'm--I won't characterize 
diplomatic conversations except to say that we have intense 
discussions, conversations, and as I said, for us it's 
imperative that we see as much done as possible to protect and 
help civilians who are being harmed.
    Mr. Connolly. Thank you, and thanks for doing that. I yield 
back.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman yields back. The chair now 
recognizes the gentleman from Kentucky, Mr. Barr, for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Barr. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Secretary Blinken, since 2021 Iran has generated, roughly, 
$80 billion in revenue from its illicit oil sales in part due 
to the administration's policy to chase another nuclear deal 
and relaxed sanctions against the Iranian government.
    The administration's gamble enabled Iranian oil exports to 
hit a 5-year high, and according to multiple reports Iran's 
funding to Hamas ballooned to $350 million in the months 
leading up to October 7.
    Does the administration--do you now admit that reversing 
the maximum pressure campaign, the sanctions relief was a 
mistake?
    Secretary Blinken. There really hasn't been sanctions 
relief. All of the sanctions programs are in effect. We have 
applied sanctions more than 600 times against Iranian entities, 
against Iranian individuals, 200 times in petrochemical sector.
    Mr. Barr. Let me read from a report of the Associated Press 
February 18th, 2021. Now, you say there was no sanctions 
relief, and I'm quoting the article: ``The Biden administration 
on Thursday rescinded former President Donald Trump's 
restoration of U.N. sanctions on Iran, an announcement that 
could help Washington move toward rejoining the 2015 nuclear 
agreement aimed at reining in the Islamic Republic's nuclear 
program.''
    Are you suggesting that that report was false?
    Secretary Blinken. Our own sanctions, those programs, none 
of them have been lifted and, again, when it comes to the 
nuclear agreement it was one of the worst mistakes that was 
made to get out of that agreement because at least we had 
Iran's nuclear program in a box. The breakout time to develop 
fissile material was over 1 year.
    Mr. Barr. I think----
    Secretary Blinken. That's now come down to two or 3 weeks. 
That's a real problem.
    Mr. Barr. I think we can all see that--I think that we can 
all see that allowing Iran to renew its oil exports was a 
colossal error that helped finance this terrible attack against 
our key ally on October 7th.
    Let me move to the ICC prosecutor's decision to submit an 
arrest warrant for Israel's prime minister and defense 
minister. Obviously, that decision is as absurd as it is 
outrageous and I credit the President first for calling it 
outrageous.
    The problem, though, Mr. Secretary, that I have is that on 
May 12th you stated that the civilian casualty numbers reported 
by Hamas make it, quote, ``reasonable to conclude that there 
are instances where Israel has acted in ways that are not 
consistent with international humanitarian law.'' Is that 
correct? Is that what you said?
    Secretary Blinken. That's what the report says, yes.
    Mr. Barr. Well, so here's my concern is that your words may 
very well have contributed to the ICC's attempt to prosecute 
Prime Minister Netanyahu. Do you not see how your words could 
very well be used against our own policy?
    Secretary Blinken. No, because the report goes on to say 
that those incidents which Israel itself acknowledges is 
actually investigating and the court--the International Court--
the reason this is so wrongheaded, among other things, is that 
it is engaging in a way that it was not supposed to do, which 
is to be a court of last resort where another country is either 
unwilling or unable to investigate itself and the report makes 
clear that not only are we investigating instances where arms 
may have been misused, so is Israel. A criminal investigation--
--
    Mr. Barr. So do you disavow Hamas' own statistics? Do you 
disavow those?
    Secretary Blinken. What the----
    Mr. Barr. Do you disavow the idea that Israel has acted in 
a manner inconsistent with international law?
    Secretary Blinken. As I said, given the totality of the 
damage that's been done, given the fact that American weapons 
have been used, it is reasonable to assess that there are 
instances in which international humanitarian law was not 
followed and, indeed, as I said----
    Mr. Barr. Well, this is the problem that we have and maybe 
this is why you all are making----
    Secretary Blinken. Israel is investigating instances 
itself.
    Mr. Barr [continuing]. This is why maybe the administration 
is holding arms from our ally that would enable them to finish 
the job as they did. You did not put a hold and the 
administration did not put a hold on bombs when the IDF went 
into Gaza City, correct?
    Secretary Blinken. That's correct.
    Mr. Barr. And Gaza City is a dense urban environment just 
as you described Rafah, correct?
    Secretary Blinken. That's correct.
    Mr. Barr. So what's the difference?
    Secretary Blinken. We have seen and we have had concerns 
about the way these large yield munitions have been used in 
dense urban environments and we want to make sure----
    Mr. Barr. Well, what I'm concerned about is that the 
difference is that the domestic political environment in the 
United States has changed.
    Secretary Blinken. No, the----
    Mr. Barr. But withholding these weapons from Israel is 
sending a terrible signal to our enemies. Is the 
administration's view that the only acceptable response is air 
defense rather than preventing attacks before they happen?
    Secretary Blinken. No, absolutely not and, in fact, we have 
a better way to get at the enduring problem with Hamas and 
that's what we have been discussing with Israel for many weeks 
now, including in Rafah.
    Mr. Barr. Well, Israel is facing threats from Iran, 
Hezbollah, Hamas, and other Iranian terrorist proxies. They 
need these weapons to deter--to deter--further attacks and we 
need to come to their defense and not accuse them of violating 
international law.
    My time has expired but I hope that the administration will 
reverse course and give our ally everything they need to 
finally deradicalize Gaza including in Rafah. I yield.
    Mr. Green [presiding]. The gentleman yields. I now 
recognize Mr. Allred from Texas for 5 minutes of questioning.
    Mr. Allred. Hello, Mr. Secretary. Thank you for joining us 
this afternoon.
    I want to take the conversation back to Haiti, the first 
post-colonial black republic and what was once a beacon of 
abolition and self-determination and racial equality has, 
unfortunately, fallen into tragic times.
    What was once a proud country that had the strength and 
determination to break free from French colonial rule over two 
centuries ago now remains in limbo of political and economic 
turmoil compounded by natural disasters.
    I bring this up because for my constituents in Texas and 
the folks that I represent we are seeing this also show up in 
our backyard.
    Since 2023 our law enforcement authorities have encountered 
Haitian migrants nearly 146,000 times on the southwest border 
seeking asylum. Homeland Security has actually had to revise 
the CBP One app to include Haitian Creole since its launch to 
deal with the volume.
    I've seen this myself in my visits to our border, and with 
the arrival of President Ruto and the Kenyan command staff 
arriving in Haiti ahead of their multinational security support 
force effort can you share how you see that Kenyan-led effort 
going?
    What's their mission? How are we supporting them and can we 
support them as we continue to keep our other commitments 
around the globe?
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you. I think this is a vital 
mission precisely because Haiti is really on a precipice, on a 
precipice of becoming a failed State. But we have seen positive 
developments in the last weeks that we need to build on.
    One, we have a transitional Presidential council which is 
starting to enable Haiti to get back on the democratic track 
and to get to elections in which it will have a properly 
mandated government.
    Second, we have actually seen the Haitian National Police, 
which is outmanned and outgunned by these gangs stand up in 
more effective ways including regaining control of the airport. 
Commercial flights have resumed.
    We expect American carriers to start moving very soon as 
well as other critical infrastructure. But this is critical. To 
get back security control, to take it away from the gangs, the 
police are trying. They need more help.
    The purpose of this mission, which Kenya and a number of 
other countries have stood up and volunteered to do, is 
basically to provide operational as well as static support to 
the Haitian National Police to counter the gangs, to 
reestablish security, to create the conditions for elections, 
to create the conditions for aid and development assistance to 
actually get into Haiti.
    It's time bound, it's focused on police, and it's really 
focused on strengthening and bolstering the capacity of the 
Haitian National Police to take this on for themselves and to 
get that handoff. But they need some near-term support. That's 
what the mission would do.
    For us this is not us policing the world because there are 
no Americans involved in this. Yes, the financing and the 
funding it's critical that we play a lead role in that. But we 
have a number of other countries that have contributed 
significant sums to this and now we really need to make the 
decision to be able to go forward with that funding.
    Mr. Allred. And it's your belief that we can support this 
multinational effort while also keeping our commitments to 
Ukraine and Taiwan, our other allies?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. Given the sums involved, 
absolutely, and DOD is providing some in kind support but we 
also need some direct assistance that we're prepared to move 
forward with.
    Mr. Allred. Yes. I also wanted to ask you about recent 
reports of Russia's Wagner forces working to expand their 
operations in Haiti. Can you discuss that in this setting?
    Secretary Blinken. In Haiti, did you say?
    Mr. Allred. Yes, sir.
    Secretary Blinken. So let me come back to you on that. I 
haven't seen myself reports of Wagner. Unfortunately, we have 
seen reports of Wagner or its successors in too many parts of 
Africa making terrible trouble for people in those countries. 
But I'll come back to you on that.
    Mr. Allred. Okay. Well, I'm sure they're looking to take 
advantage of every spot where they can. And we have seen 
reports of international crime syndicates like the Colombian 
cartel that are providing automatic weapons to the gangs, which 
are now becoming more militias in Haiti.
    How can we counteract that and what are we doing to address 
that?
    Secretary Blinken. So I think that's critical. It's 
critical not only in Haiti but it's critical in other parts of 
our hemisphere including in Mexico and we want to make sure 
that these gangs do not get guns including guns coming from the 
United States.
    It's one reason why it was important that Congress 
Federalize the crime of gun trafficking so that we have better 
authorities to get at guns that are being illegally trafficked 
in our own hemisphere including to Haiti.
    And the points you made I want to come back to earlier is 
that the challenging--more than challenging situation in Haiti 
is a driver of irregular migration and it's clearly in our 
interest to make sure that we're doing what we can to give 
Haiti a better way forward so that we don't have that driver of 
irregular migration.
    Mr. Allred. Well, thank you, Mr. Secretary. I wanted to 
make sure that--you know, my constituents and folks in Texas 
and here in the country understand that we have a stake in what 
happens in Haiti as well and that our efforts to stabilize 
Haiti benefit us and that this Kenyan-led effort deserves our 
support that we can do it consistent with our other 
commitments.
    So thank you for your testimony.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mr. Green. The gentleman yields.
    The chair recognizes Mrs. Kim from California for 5 minutes 
of questioning.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Thank you, Secretary Blinken. Thank 
you very much for coming to our committee today. I want to 
switch gears to Indo-Pacific.
    Last month CCP orchestrated the passage of the draconian 
Article 23 legislation in Hong Kong that is part of, as you 
said, intensifying repression and could be applied outside of 
its borders as part of China's ongoing campaign of 
transnational repression.
    Despite the State Department's determination and actions 
taken to impose some visa restrictions there have been no Hong 
Kong officials that were sanctioned since 2021 and it should be 
noted that in 2020 it took the administration only 5 weeks 
after passage of Hong Kong's National Security Law to issue 
sanctions and Article 23 is much worse by all accounts.
    So could you tell us why the administration hasn't 
sanctioned officials in Hong Kong since 2021 despite 
intensifying repression in the last year?
    Secretary Blinken. So we have designated, first and 
foremost, seven officials from the PRC for the actions that 
have been taken in Hong Kong including exactly what you've just 
cited and as well we are imposing visa restrictions on Hong 
Kong officials for the actions that they've taken to undermine 
freedom, to undermine autonomy, to undermine basic law.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Secretary, I want you to know that 
I have introduced Hong Kong sanctions act that list 49 Hong 
Kong judges, prosecutors, officials, playing an active role in 
persecuting dissidents in Hong Kong.
    So if my office transmits the list of these individuals to 
you can you assure me that you will evaluate whether these 
individuals can be sanctioned under existing authorities?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Thank you very much.
    I also want to ask you if you have any plans to impose 
targeted sanctions on perpetuator of that repression based on 
Article 23 that we talked about earlier?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. We're looking across the board at 
taking necessary actions including sanctions against 
individuals who are undermining Hong Kong's basic autonomy and 
we'll continue to do that. But I'm happy to look at the list 
that you have.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Thank you. Let me turn to Korean 
Peninsula issue. Special Envoy Julie Turner was finally sworn 
in by the State Department last October but, as you know, she 
was confirmed by the Senate and it took months before she was 
finally sworn in by your department.
    So while I'm pleased that she's in the position and 
carrying out the mandate as noted by the legislation that we 
passed I'm concerned that the Special Envoy office is not given 
the proper attention by the State Department leadership.
    I've also heard some concerns from outside stakeholders 
that the office relies on staff from the Korea desk and other 
offices to carry out its mandate.
    So can you tell us what you're doing to ensure that the 
Special Envoy and the Office of Special Envoy and Human Rights 
in North Korea is given all the tools it needs to fulfill that 
mandate based on the legislation?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, in fact, I think as we speak 
Special Envoy Turner is in Korea right now, in South Korea 
working on this critical portfolio and, yes, I'm going to make 
sure that she continues to have the resources, the support that 
she needs. And in all of our engagements with----
    Mrs. Kim of California. Does she have a separate staff just 
dedicated to this so she doesn't have to outsource staffing and 
support from other offices within the bureau?
    Secretary Blinken. We want to make sure that she has what 
she needs. But, of course, it would help if we got our budget 
passed and we were able to actually resource the department 
including with the staff that we need across the department.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Let me talk to you about Taiwan. As 
you know, Taiwan is a critical public health partner to the 
U.S. and plays an important role in the global health community 
and, you know, I passed the legislation Taiwan WHO Act.
    That was signed into law 2 years ago and it directs the 
administration to support Taiwan's observer status in the World 
Health Assembly.
    As you know, WHA is convening next week and as of today 
Taiwan has not been invited to be the observer at the 77th 
World Health Assembly. So what is the status of the State 
Department and your plan to implement this legislation and 
ensure Taiwan has a seat at the table?
    Secretary Blinken. I fully agree with the legislation and 
we have been working to achieve the results that it seeks 
including Taiwan's participation in the World Health Assembly 
and organization as well as in a whole host of other 
international organizations. The timing is----
    Mrs. Kim of California. Why not this year? Is there still 
time to invite Taiwan?
    Secretary Blinken. We're going to work on it until the last 
second if necessary. We have been going around trying to lobby 
other countries to engage on this and, of course, we have taken 
this to Beijing directly. It denies to people around the world 
the benefits of the extraordinary knowledge and expertise that 
Taiwan has and Taiwanese have.
    Mrs. Kim of California. We are seeing Taiwan has been time 
and time again how reliable a health partner it is. I think 
it's critically important that you do more to make sure Taiwan 
has a seat there.
    Secretary Blinken. I agree with you.
    Mrs. Kim of California. Thank you very much. My time's up. 
I yield back.
    Mrs. Wagner [presiding]. The gentleman's time--the 
gentlelady's time has expired. The chair now recognizes the 
gentleman from California, Mr. Lieu, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Lieu. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
    Thank you, Secretary Blinken, for your public service. I 
want to start off by talking about an action that you took that 
was very commendable. You eliminated the majority of assignment 
restrictions and on a going forward basis you are eliminating 
all of them.
    So I just want to say thank you for trusting State 
Department employees. I thank you for taking that courageous 
action and thank you for your leadership.
    I'd like to now ask some questions about Ukraine. Russia 
invaded Ukraine for the second time in February 2022 and you 
were one of the folks that, in my view, made a decision to win. 
You went out there and tried to get air power to Ukraine. You 
were fighting to get fighter jets to Ukraine.
    As we saw things play out, unfortunately, the Pentagon 
appeared to have opposed that. Turned out you were right 
because now the Pentagon is, guess what, getting air power to 
Ukraine.
    What I'd like to know is does, in your view, the Pentagon 
and the National Security Council support Ukraine pushing 
Russia back to pre-invasion lines of 2022? Do they support 
that?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, absolutely, and I think that the 
challenge is this and it goes with every weapon system that's 
come up over the last 2 years. It's not sufficient to provide 
an F-16 or an Abrams tank.
    We also have to make sure that the Ukrainians have the 
training they need to operate them. We also need to make sure 
they have the ability to maintain them.
    So I think when the Pentagon is looking at these things it 
wants to make sure that we can do it in a comprehensive way. 
So, for example, F-16s, yes, I very much support that but--and 
have supported that but there also have to be pilots to fly 
them.
    So we have engaged in a training program with other 
countries to make sure that the pilots were there. I say that 
only because I think it's--we can't look at these decisions 
just through the--solely through the prism of do we provide a 
tank, do we provide a plane, do we provide a particular weapon. 
We need to know that they can be used with the proper training 
and maintained.
    Mr. Lieu. I totally agree with you. It's just that had the 
Pentagon started earlier it would have been far better and, by 
the way, the Pentagon actually didn't quite say that. They 
actually said F-16s were unnecessary and I think they realized 
that they were just wrong on that.
    Now, in terms of not allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with 
U.S. weapons I've heard what other people have asked. I'm not 
going to ask you to reState what you've already said. I 
listened very carefully to what you said.
    What I'm trying to understand is in the mix of weapons--
because the United Kingdom has clearly said Ukraine can use 
U.K. weapons to strike inside of Russia. How much of these 
weapons are U.S. and how much are supplied by other countries? 
Is there a general percentage?
    Secretary Blinken. I think it really depends on the 
category of weapons. So you have to look--you'd have to 
distinguish between munitions, between missiles, between tanks, 
between armored vehicles. I can get you a breakdown, but it 
varies according to the category----
    Mr. Lieu. Thank you. If you could do that and I just urge 
you personally to get the Pentagon and NSC to do what you did, 
which is to make the decision to win.
    Now, I'd like to ask something about an action completely 
within the State Department's control and just trying to 
understand the reasons why it hasn't happened yet.
    Russia has supported terrorist groups and I believe when we 
looked at it they meet the technical definition of a State 
sponsor of terrorism. What is their policy reason or reasons 
for why that designation has not happened yet?
    Secretary Blinken. So I think there are a few things.
    First, of course, we have unprecedented and a variety of 
sanctions, export controls, you name it, on Russia--war crimes, 
atrocities--and I think that frame that they're committing war 
crimes and atrocities is the most accurate one and using the 
authorities that we have in those areas we think is most 
appropriate.
    Aggression is not terrorism. These are distinct things. 
Second, the concern, I think, with the SST designation besides 
we don't think it actually fits what Russia is doing is it does 
run the risk of undercutting some of the multilateral 
cooperation and coordination we have had on sanctions.
    It would be extremely difficult to reverse if we ever got 
to a place where there were peace negotiations and that was 
something that you wanted to put in play in order to get over 
the goal line.
    But the other real problem is it could interfere with the 
efforts that we're making--very vigorous efforts we're 
getting--to make sure that Russia pays for the terrible damage 
it's done to Ukraine including the use of its sovereign assets 
because those could be tied up in litigation if we have a State 
sponsor of terrorism designation.
    So there are a number of practical reasons why, again, we 
don't think it's the best way to go for it. We think we have 
the necessary authorities. We're using them.
    They're more accurate in terms of describing what Russia is 
doing, and we don't want to have unintended consequences, 
second and third order effects that could actually make things 
more complicated in achieving what we're trying to achieve.
    Mr. Lieu. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman's time has expired. The chair 
now recognizes the gentlelady from Florida, Ms. Salazar, for 5 
minutes.
    Ms. Salazar. Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Secretary. Wonderful 
to have you here.
    You know, I just want to make the observation of what a 
great republic we have. You, the foreign minister of the most 
important country in the world, you have to come to talk to the 
representatives of the people and have to go through this very 
torturous process, you know, and I'm sure that that is agony 
for you.
    But my constituents in Miami would love to have the foreign 
minister of Venezuela or Cuba, right, or Nicaragua right in 
front of us sitting in the same chair you are.
    So, once again, thank you for being here, for your service, 
and long live the United States for that beautiful system.
    I just mentioned Cuba. A week ago your State Department 
took Cuba out of a semi black list for countries that support 
terrorism. Not the main one but the second one.
    On Monday Cuban officials were at the Miami International 
Airport that I represent reviewing how we do counterterrorism 
Cuba. Those two facts are a clear indication, sir, that you 
have all the intentions in the world to take Cuba out of the 
list of terrorist countries even though Cuba supports Hamas and 
harbors American fugitives.
    So my question is simple. Have you begun the 6-month 
process required by the export controls law to remove the 
island from the list?
    Secretary Blinken. Very quickly, first, just to clear up a 
couple of things, if I can, though I will come to your question 
as quickly as I can.
    Ms. Salazar. Yes, but remember that my time is running and 
I have four more countries. So tell me are you--did you start 
the process required by the export controls to remove Cuba? 
It's 6 months and you need to start the process by July 21st.
    Secretary Blinken. We have an annual requirement to review 
the not fully cooperating list. We did that and there were 
changed circumstances including the fact that Colombia was no 
longer seeking the extradition of the ELN members who were in 
Cuba and that Cuba was harboring.
    Ms. Salazar. But that's a little excuse, sir. Cuba has 
fugitives from the United States. It supports--come on.
    Secretary Blinken. They do for sure. But they were not--but 
they're not being pursued for terrorism.
    Ms. Salazar. All right. So then but my question is are you 
going to take them off the main black list which is the 
terrorist list for sponsor of terrorism?
    Secretary Blinken. In the near term, no, there's no intent 
to do that. But as necessary we'll review and we always have 
to----
    Ms. Salazar. But you have to--you have to review up until 
July 21st according to the law. So are you planning to do that?
    Secretary Blinken. I'm not seeing anything happening by 
July 21st.
    Ms. Salazar. So will you commit like you did last year and 
you fulfilled your promise not to remove it from the list this 
time from now until November 5th election time?
    Secretary Blinken. Right now----
    Ms. Salazar. Can you commit to that?
    Secretary Blinken. All I can tell you is that right now in 
terms of July that is not happening.
    Ms. Salazar. July 21st.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, July 21st.
    Ms. Salazar. Colombia--let's go to President Petro who has 
threatened to change the Colombian constitution without going 
through the Colombian congress, similar to what Hugo Chavez did 
25 years ago.
    Last month Petro broke relations with Israel and you know 
that President Biden loves President Petro, and my question to 
you is this. If Petro dares to break the Colombian constitution 
just like Chavez did do you think that President Biden will 
change the perception he has on President----
    Secretary Blinken. I'm not going to comment on President 
Biden's views or his----
    Ms. Salazar. Will you change--will you change what you 
think of Colombia?
    Secretary Blinken. Let's see what actions are taken. We 
look to see in any country--partner, ally, adversary--the 
actions of the individuals.
    Ms. Salazar. Mr. Secretary, President Petro has said that 
he is going to change the constitution.
    Secretary Blinken. I'm not going to----
    Ms. Salazar. He has said it himself.
    Secretary Blinken. I appreciate that but let's see what 
actions are taken. I don't want to engage in hypothetical.
    Ms. Salazar. And if he were to take that action of changing 
the constitution and becoming another Chavez?
    Secretary Blinken. I am not expert enough in Colombia's 
constitution or its laws to know exactly what he is 
contemplating and what that would do or not do.
    Ms. Salazar. Contemplating on perpetuating--of staying in 
power forever and ever, amen, just like Chavez did. That's what 
he's planning to do.
    Secretary Blinken. Presumably, that would be something we 
would object to. But, again, I don't want to get into 
hypotheticals. I just don't know the----
    Ms. Salazar. By your answer you're giving him a green light 
to do that and you know that.
    Secretary Blinken. Hardly. Hardly.
    Ms. Salazar. All right. Well, at least send the message 
that the United States is going to be very aware of what he's 
doing.
    Let's go to Venezuela. You know that Maduro will steal the 
Presidential election July 28, 2 months from now. He's going to 
steal it. You and I know it.
    I salute you and the White House for having reimposed oil 
sanctions on the Maduro regime. We both want democracy in 
Venezuela. What can we do from this chair to help you, sir?
    Secretary Blinken. I think actually doing what you've been 
doing which is----
    Ms. Salazar. Which is?
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. Which is to keep the 
pressure on to make clear that the things that Venezuela and 
Maduro may want they cannot and he cannot achieve absent 
actually moving down the path to free and fair elections and 
doing what's necessary.
    The unitary platform, which, as you know, reached an 
agreement with Maduro we have looked to see whether that 
agreement is being implemented and in critical aspects it's not 
being implemented.
    Ms. Salazar. Now Maduro is going like that on us. So let's 
go to Argentina. Javier Milei is the most pro-American 
president in the history of Argentina. He supports your agenda. 
Ukraine, Israel, anti-China, Venezuela, Cuba, Taiwan, open 
markets.
    I just sent to President Biden a letter asking for 
Argentina to be asked, to be joined, or to be put in the APEP. 
Would you consider putting them in that signature economic plan 
for Latin America?
    Secretary Blinken. In short, yes. I was in Argentina just a 
couple months ago with President Milei. I think----
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. And we have had----
    Ms. Salazar. We need more Mileis in Latin America, don't 
you think, sir?
    Secretary Blinken. I'm happy to look at your letter and 
certainly happy to consider that.
    Ms. Salazar. Wonderful.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired and I know 
she's got other countries to get through, Mr. Secretary, so 
she's going to send you those in writing.
    The gentlelady yields back. I now recognize the gentlelady 
from California, Ms. Jacobs, for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Jacobs. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, 
Secretary Blinken, for testifying today.
    I first want to talk about Sudan where conditions are 
getting more horrific by the day. The RSF and SAF continue to 
encircle Al Fashir where more than 1.8 million displaced people 
are trapped in what has been described as, quote, ``hell on 
earth'' and is at imminent risk of famine.
    The UAE, a top buyer of U.S. arms, has continued to fuel 
this war by providing materiel support to the RSF despite 
repeated urgings from the Biden administration including, I 
know, your own entreaties.
    It's time, in my opinion, to take stronger action which is 
why I'm introducing legislation that prohibits the transfer of 
U.S. arms to the UAE until the President can certify to 
Congress that the UAE is no longer transferring arms to the 
RSF.
    Now I want to turn to Israel. Hamas' attack on October 7th 
was despicable and inexcusable, and I've also been horrified by 
the Israeli military's response which has reportedly killed 
over 30,000 Palestinians.
    So while I support President Biden's pause on the 2,000-
pound bomb sales I was also disappointed by NSM-20 report that 
laid out compelling evidence of law of war violations but 
stopped short of making a conclusive determination.
    Meanwhile, we're seeing in recent reporting that in Rafah 
the IDF has intensified air strikes, deployed ground troops, 
and closed the Rafah border crossing.
    The U.N. has reported that over 500 civilians have already 
been killed and 450,000 Palestinians have been displaced.
    President Biden rightly drew a red line for U.S. support on 
a full-scale invasion of Rafah but I think it's unclear to the 
public the difference between what we're seeing now and what 
would be crossing that red line. So could you explain the 
difference to us, please?
    Secretary Blinken. What we're seeing now is an operation 
principally designed to take control of the border area or at 
least parts of the border area between Egypt and in Gaza in 
order that the smuggling--the tunnels that are there are taken 
out of action and I understand that objective.
    At the same time, because it's been near Rafah and around 
Rafah it has disrupted operations at the Rafah crossing which 
have been critical to getting aid into people who so 
desperately need it. It also, for a time, disrupted operations 
at Kerem Shalom, although those have resumed.
    So we're working intensely with Israel and Egypt right now 
to try to get Rafah up and running again so that more can get 
in. It's more challenging in a combat environment.
    Ms. Jacobs. Yes. Well, thank you for that clarification and 
I hope we hold firm to the red line that President Biden has 
enumerated.
    As you know, I'm the ranking member of the Africa 
Subcommittee. I frequently travel to the continent and talk 
about human rights issues, and I'll be honest I've been hearing 
a lot from our African partners that the U.S. is not consistent 
in living up to our values--that they don't feel like we're a 
good partner because they perceive we're not holding Israel to 
the same standards that we're holding them to.
    In the NSM-20 report our own intelligence community 
assessed that Israel could do more to avoid civilian harm. 
Could you talk about specifically what we are urging Israel to 
do to mitigate and avoid civilian harm that they aren't already 
doing?
    Secretary Blinken. There are very detailed processes, 
procedures, lawyers, who engage, for example, in the targeting 
decisions and we have looked at the--over many months at the 
details of what on paper they're doing but we see a gap between 
the stated intent of the policy and the actual results.
    Now, it's also a fact that is not always recognized that 
they're dealing in an environment and a terrain that is almost 
unique because you have an enemy that hides behind and hides 
underneath civilians in apartment buildings and hospitals and 
mosques and schools and that makes what they're doing 
incredibly challenging.
    But from our perspective we think it's imperative that a 
priority be placed on civilian protection and I'm making every 
possible effort to try to ensure that even in that usually 
challenged environment civilians are not harmed and, relatedly, 
get the assistance they need to survive.
    Ms. Jacobs. Yes. Well, I agree with you and I would hope 
the department is leveraging the intel community's assessment 
to urge Israel to do more because, frankly, not only human 
lives but our international reputation depends on it.
    Last, the NSM-20 report said that they didn't reach an 
affirmative conclusion about Israel's use of U.S. weapons 
because Israel's failure to share complete information. How are 
we addressing this lack of transparency?
    Secretary Blinken. There are two things in the report. One 
goes to the use of any weapons provided by the United States 
and there, as the report noted, based on the totality of the 
damage done and the use of weapons it's reasonable to assess 
that in some instances they acted in ways that were 
inconsistent with international humanitarian law.
    Those instances are all under investigation by us but also, 
critically, by Israel itself. Separate from that is the 
provision of humanitarian assistance and there it's been 
important to get as much----
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. Cooperation as possible on 
getting more access.
    Ms. Jacobs. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady yields back.
    The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Michigan, Mr. 
Huizenga, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Huizenga. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Secretary Blinken, appreciate your being here but I do have 
to express some deep concerns. You and the administration are 
holding munitions hostage from our ally Israel in what many 
believe is an effort to score a few political points in swing 
states like mine back home.
    Meanwhile, as in actual hostages being held, some of whom 
are American and documented to be Americans, that would be 
perceived by many of us as a complete slap in the face to those 
hostages who are yet being left behind.
    Meanwhile, oil profits in Iran have skyrocketed under your 
and the Biden tenure due to a lack of sanctions enforcement. I 
sit on the Financial Services Committee. I'm part of those 
sanctions, the creating of those.
    In 2020 Iran was exporting 400,000 barrels per day of oil. 
2023 that has reached 2 million barrels a day, and what has 
changed and why have the ayatollahs decided to flip the switch 
under the Biden administration is something that many of us 
have been concerned about and are expressing, and meanwhile we 
have a situation where the president of Iran went down in a 
helicopter crash and one of your deputies at the U.N. and 
yourself had expressed condolences over this.
    I'm curious. Is the world a safer place because of your 
efforts to offer respect to a leader who murdered, tortured, 
and exterminated thousands of Iraqis--I'm sorry, Iranians--has 
been behind every proxy war that we have been involved in, 
which is responsible for American deaths? How is that bringing 
any respect--how is that advancing your agenda on the world 
stage?
    Secretary Blinken. Our views of Mr. Raisi and the horrific 
actions he took both as a judge and as a president in 
repressing his own people, our policies toward Iran, including 
working to impose sanctions on more than 600 individual 
entities, 200 in the petrochemical sector, none of that has 
changed or will change, as I mentioned earlier.
    Mr. Huizenga. But why would you offer condolences and the 
official condolences of the U.S. Government to somebody who has 
murdered our troops?
    Secretary Blinken. This is--when the leader of another 
country dies, as in the past this has often been the case we 
have expressed official condolences. But it doesn't go to our 
feelings about that person or the actions that he's taken.
    Mr. Huizenga. I wonder what my friend from Miami would 
think about us offering condolences to many of those Latin 
American leaders that we were just talking about. I think I 
know the answer because I would agree with her.
    Well, in the meantime I've introduced a resolution 
condemning this inappropriate decision by your department and I 
urge all my colleagues to sign on to that.
    I'm going to transition to NATO here for a couple of 
minutes. Just last week I did something that's rarely done here 
in the U.S. Congress. I united foreign diplomats and a few 
members on this committee who were in a bit of an uproar when I 
dared to mention that certain countries are not pulling their 
weight by meeting the 2 percent defense spending benchmark in 
the NATO alliance.
    It was, certainly, I think, fair game on my end. It seemed 
a bit unexpected from them, especially when we see some 
countries heading in the wrong direction with their defense 
spending, literally going backward in this.
    Do you believe your efforts will get the remaining eight 
nations of Belgium, Canada, Spain, Luxembourg, Turkey, 
Slovenia, and Portugal across the 2 percent threshold by the 
agreed upon 2024 time line?
    Secretary Blinken. I think by the end of this year, 
Congressman, we'll probably have maybe 20 or 21 of the 32 
allies that are across the 2 percent threshold. The others 
should have clear plans to achieve that threshold. We have 
gotten more countries to achieve----
    Mr. Huizenga. Okay. What about those nations that are 
offering no real timetable and instead are going backward?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, we want to see them offer a 
timetable and make it clear how they're going to get to the 2 
percent.
    Mr. Huizenga. But how are--how are you getting those 
conversations moving?
    Secretary Blinken. We are--believe me, we're engaged with 
them on a constant basis to get that done and President Biden 
has been deeply engaged. I've been deeply engaged and we have 
made significant progress in having well over now two-thirds of 
the alliance that will meet the mark and we want to make sure 
that we have clear plans from the others to do it.
    Mr. Huizenga. I guess I'm still not hearing what you are 
doing to make sure that those plans are being--come forward. 
Are you demanding or requesting those plans to be presented?
    Secretary Blinken. We are, certainly, requesting them, yes. 
Absolutely.
    Mr. Huizenga. And will you be sharing those with this 
committee?
    Secretary Blinken. As soon as we get, you know, information 
from partners about what they plan to do and it's public 
information we'll make it known.
    Mr. Huizenga. Well, we have to--America is not safer abroad 
right now. Whether it's our southern border or what's been 
happening in the Middle East we need to make sure that we have 
a strong front on that.
    And with that, I yield back.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman yields back. The chair now 
recognizes the gentlelady from North Carolina, Ms. Manning, for 
5 minutes.
    Ms. Manning. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Mr. Secretary, thank you for your very dedicated service to 
our country and your tireless efforts to find a path forward in 
the Middle East.
    Secretary Blinken, what in the world happened with the 
cease-fire negotiations between Israel and Hamas in Egypt? We 
were told first that Israel put a very, very good offer on the 
table with the approval of the U.S.
    Next, Hamas claimed that they accepted that offer. They 
blamed Israel for walking away. Then we recently met with the 
Egyptian ambassador who blamed the failure of those talks on 
Israel and today we heard reports that the Egyptians actually 
changed the terms of the Israeli offer before relaying that 
offer to Hamas.
    We have hostage families desperate to see their loved ones. 
We have no proof of life for the majority of hostages. We have 
American families desperate for an agreement that will release 
their loved ones and now we learn that Egypt, a country we give 
millions of dollars in aid every year, failed to accurately and 
honestly convey a good cease-fire offer and then put the blame 
on Israel when the talks failed. What's really going on there?
    Secretary Blinken. First of all, like you I've met with so 
many of the hostage families repeatedly over these seven or 8 
months and I am determined that we continue to do everything we 
possibly can to get them home with their loved ones.
    I know these people and it's personal. Beyond that, what I 
can tell you is this. Both Egypt and Qatar have been 
intensively involved in the efforts to get a cease-fire hostage 
agreement.
    The last degree--the last proposal that was before it, and 
as I said, yes, it was a strong proposal by Israel that was put 
forward, Hamas said it agreed to it. But it, Hamas, made 
changes to the agreement that were unacceptable and at that 
point----
    Ms. Manning. So the Egyptians did not make changes to the 
agreement?
    Secretary Blinken. So all I can tell you is the Egyptians 
have been an important partner in this effort along with the 
Qataris and we're continuing to try to get this agreement. I 
think it's the fastest way, of course, to get people home and 
to change the equation.
    Ms. Manning. But the Israelis did not walk away from that--
from the agreement?
    Secretary Blinken. The Israelis--no, the Israelis did not 
walk away and, again, Hamas is responsible for not--again, it 
shouldn't have taken a negotiation to get to this point.
    Ms. Manning. Okay.
    Secretary Blinken. Hamas could have and should have given 
up the hostages, given--put down its weapons, come out of 
hiding, surrendered. All of this would have been over on day 
one.
    Ms. Manning. Thank you.
    I have heard repeatedly that the U.S. wants to ensure that 
October 7th never happens again and that we will do everything 
necessary to make sure that Israel can defend itself, and 
that's the term I keep hearing over and over.
    Do you consider Israel's war against Hamas to be a 
defensive war?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, in the sense that it needs to 
ensure that Hamas cannot do what it did on October 7th again.
    Ms. Manning. Okay. And do you consider Israel's fight 
against Hezbollah to be a defensive fight?
    Secretary Blinken. In terms of deterring it from attacking 
Israel, in terms of making sure that people who have been 
forced from their homes in northern Israel and Israel's lost 
sovereignty over its own territory because people have been 
forced from their homes, yes, dealing with that threat is 
important.
    Ms. Manning. Okay. Okay.
    In contrast to my colleague, I was surprised that the NSM-
20 report clearly stated that there was no direct evidence that 
Israel has violated international law and, yet, the report 
suggested that the high number of casualties reported by Hamas 
are akin to circumstantial evidence of violations, and I was 
particularly surprised by that because our own military experts 
have described Gaza as the most difficult battle space any 
military has faced in modern warfare.
    And isn't it reasonable to assume that that is a 
significant factor for the high level of casualties?
    Secretary Blinken. It's certainly a contributing factor and 
the report makes that very clear. But I think we also have to 
hold ourselves and Israel has to hold itself to the highest 
possible standards when it comes to preventing civilian 
casualties.
    Ms. Manning. But there was no clear evidence of violation 
found as reported in that report.
    Secretary Blinken. Again, the individual instances these 
are--many of them are being reviewed both by us and by Israel.
    Ms. Manning. And they are being reviewed by the Israelis, 
correct?
    Secretary Blinken. By the Israelis. That's also correct.
    Ms. Manning. Okay. I want to move on to another subject.
    I was recently in Israel. I visited Kfar Aza and the site 
of the Hamas massacre at the Nova music festival. I last night 
saw important film created by Sheryl Sandberg documenting once 
again the horrific sexual violence that was used by Hamas as a 
weapon of war against Israeli women and girls of all ages.
    Do you have any reason to doubt that Hamas uses sexual 
violence--rape, mutilation, barbaric humiliation--against 
Israelis as a weapon of war?
    Secretary Blinken. No.
    Ms. Manning. Why do you think so many international 
organizations have been so slow to condemn that sexual violence 
and so many people continue to deny that that sexual violence 
against Israelis took place?
    Secretary Blinken. It's a very good question. I don't have 
an answer for you.
    Ms. Manning. Could it be anti-Semitism?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, I don't want to speculate but 
it's a good question.
    Ms. Manning. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired. The 
gentlelady yields back.
    The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Florida, Mr. 
Waltz, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Waltz. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Mr. Secretary, I have a--I just have a simple question for 
you. Is the world safer under your tenure, Mr. Secretary?
    Secretary Blinken. I think the world is an incredibly 
dangerous place but we're able to deal with it more effectively 
and in a more secure manner because we have rebuilt our 
alliances, created new ones. We have more partners----
    Mr. Waltz. How is our alliance with our Afghan partners and 
allies. How's that going?
    Secretary Blinken. The ones that--the many that we have 
brought to the United States since withdrawing from 
Afghanistan----
    Mr. Waltz. Did deterrence fail Putin from invading Ukraine?
    Secretary Blinken. Putin was prevented because of our 
leadership in not erasing--preventing from erasing Ukraine from 
the map.
    Mr. Waltz. Should the invasion have happened?
    Secretary Blinken. The--I'm sorry.
    Mr. Waltz. Did deterrence fail? We had a whole panoply of 
threatened sanctions, isolation, diplomatic isolation, but at 
the end of the day he still invaded.
    Secretary Blinken. He did indeed.
    Mr. Waltz. Failed.
    Secretary Blinken. And--no, on the contrary----
    Mr. Waltz. Has deterrence failed Iran supporting terrorism 
and its terrorist organizations and attacking Israel?
    Secretary Blinken. Iran has supported--unfortunately, 
horrifically, Iran has supported terrorism for decades.
    Mr. Waltz. Mr. Secretary, I have here the disastrous 
Afghanistan withdrawal, the invasion of Ukraine, the unholy 
alliance between Russia and China, Hamas and Hezbollah attacks 
on Israel, Houthi attacking international shipping, hostages in 
Gaza, Iran flush with cash, the reemergence of ISIS-K now, six 
thwarted attacks in Europe, increased Chinese aggression, and 
the collapse of our influence in Central Africa in the Sahel.
    We get 5 minutes for the million people I represent in a 
public hearing and you're going to tell the American people 
with this list they're safer?
    Secretary Blinken. Let's go down that list. We ended 
America's longest war.
    Mr. Waltz. Please.
    Secretary Blinken. We're better off for that. Russian 
invasion of Ukraine--we repelled it by bringing 50 countries 
together, getting the Ukrainians what they need to make sure 
that it couldn't be erased from the map. The cooperation 
between Russia and China, we have now aligned more countries in 
the world to deal with China----
    Mr. Waltz. Mr. Secretary, you're a smart man. You cannot--I 
mean, at some point you have to look back--take a step back, 
look in the mirror and say our policies are failing.
    Secretary Blinken. No, I think just to the contrary----
    Mr. Waltz. Deterrence is crumbling.
    Secretary Blinken. I fully disagree with you.
    Mr. Waltz. The American people do not feel safer----
    Secretary Blinken. Totally disagree.
    Mr. Waltz [continuing]. Around the world. Okay. Let me ask 
you this. Do you agree with the National Security Adviser Jake 
Sullivan who said publicly in October 2023 the Middle East is 
quieter than it has been for decades?
    Secretary Blinken. In that moment it was.
    Mr. Waltz. And then he stated it again except you then 
stated just a few months later, I would argue, that we have not 
seen a situation as dangerous as the one we're facing now 
across the region.
    What did you get wrong? What did he get wrong?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I'd have to look at this. Well, 
first of all, again, in that moment that was an accurate 
statement. Second, we have been working very----
    Mr. Waltz. Do you have your head in the sand?
    Secretary Blinken. We have been--we have been very----
    Mr. Waltz. Did Jake Sullivan have his head in the sand?
    Secretary Blinken. Again----
    Mr. Waltz. I mean, like, literally did he have his head in 
the sand to say the region was the most--really a braggadocios 
moment. It's pretty amazing then when you have to retract your 
own kind of treaties in foreign affairs and change the language 
after the entire region blows up. That's a bit embarrassing, 
isn't it?
    Secretary Blinken. On the contrary. I think what we have 
seen as well is a very effective effort to prevent the conflict 
that we have seen in Gaza from spreading as a result of 
American leadership.
    Mr. Waltz. But it's spreading. Hundreds of attacks on our 
bases. Tell that to the three American Gold Star families. Let 
me ask you this. Did the Iranian government offer condolences 
to our Gold Star families on their death? Did they?
    Secretary Blinken. I sincerely doubt it.
    Mr. Waltz. I doubt it. But we offer it to the man behind 
their murder, Raisi, right? Okay.
    Let me ask you one more and this one is near and dear to my 
heart, and I've engaged you privately. I've engaged you 
publicly.
    I've asked you about some--a particular SIV that is 
literally hiding day in and day out, being hunted by the 
Taliban, and I've gotten no response, Mr. Secretary, and that 
man is being hunted down as we speak who stood and fought with 
us.
    Secretary Blinken. Can I--can I come back--let's take that 
up. Can I come back to you on that because I want to make 
sure----
    Mr. Waltz. Please. I mean, I'm begging you in public for 
this man because I'm waiting for the moment when his family 
tells me he's dead.
    Secretary Blinken. Let me make sure I come back to you on 
that.
    Mr. Waltz. But more broadly, your department has testified 
they're processing a thousand a month--a thousand SIVs a month. 
At that rate with 125,000 that we're looking at we're looking 
at 12 years. Is that acceptable as these people are being 
hunted down by the Taliban?
    Secretary Blinken. We have issued--since withdrawing from 
Afghanistan we issued 45,000 SIVs which is----
    Mr. Waltz. Is 12 years acceptable to get our allies out?
    Secretary Blinken. I want to do it--I want to do it faster. 
I want to issue----
    Mr. Waltz. It's a yes or no question. Is 12 years 
acceptable?
    Secretary Blinken. No, we ought to be able to do it faster. 
But part of that is----
    Mr. Waltz. I would just think that would be a simple no.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, no--of course, we want to make 
sure that we--I'd like to get everyone here tomorrow.
    Mr. Waltz. Ten years?
    Secretary Blinken. But you got to get people out of the 
country. You have to----
    Mr. Waltz. Five years?
    Secretary Blinken. It's not a question of our processing 
ability. It's the ability to get them out of country.
    Mr. Waltz. But the veterans groups that are literally 
exhausting their own savings as the Taliban receives aid--
portions of our aid, by the way--for these veterans groups, 
some of which have exhausted their kids' 529 plans, their 
savings plans, still trying to get these people out.
    What expectation can we give them?
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Secretary Blinken. The expectation is that we are working 
every single day to do that. I hope the program, by the way, 
gets extended through 1926 because we desperately need it. We 
need more----
    Mr. Waltz. We'll get the more numbers but if it takes 10 
years to get there----
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Secretary Blinken. And if you can increase the cap, too.
    Mr. Waltz. We'll get it for you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The chair now recognizes the----
    Secretary Blinken. And we'll followup on----
    Mr. Waltz. Okay. Thank you.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The chair now recognizes the gentlelady from 
Florida Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. Thank you so much. Thank you so 
much for being here, Secretary Blinken, I have a few questions 
for you about what's going on in Haiti.
    We have heard a lot of conversation during this hearing 
about holding back funds, partisan stalling tactics, but as we 
see right now with the MSS program the U.S. has pledged over 
$300 million of which $80 million is being withheld by 
Republicans who are sitting on this committee right now.
    And it's unfortunate that I haven't heard of anyone on the 
Republican side actually mention what's going on in Haiti where 
we have more than 1.4 million people who are actually facing a 
famine.
    We have close to 400,000 people who have been displaced and 
then we have gross acts of violence against women, girls, and 
boys every single day.
    And so my question to you really has to go down to, now, 
what is going to be the cause or the impact of the delay of the 
funding to Haiti's MSS program?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, the delay of the funding would 
mean that potentially the program can't go forward and that we 
have, I think, a very important opportunity to turn things 
around and help the Haitian people turn things around by giving 
the Haitian National Police the support they need to fully and 
finally regain control of Port-au-Prince, the capital city, to 
deal more effectively with the gangs, to allow democracy to 
move forward in terms of an election, to allow humanitarian 
assistance and development aid to move forward, because in the 
absence of having control over the basic transportation hubs 
and infrastructure none of that can happen.
    And we have countries that have stood up that are willing 
to take on this mission of supporting the police in a time 
limited fashion starting with Kenya, and President Ruto is here 
right now.
    But if we don't have that funding we won't be able to 
support the program. And as I mentioned earlier, this is not 
America policing the world because we don't have Americans on 
the ground doing this. We have others who've stepped up to do 
it.
    But we need to give them the support that they need to do 
this mission.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. Well, talk a little about--I 
think--talking about President Ruto I spoke to him today and he 
spoke about Kenya's commitment to helping Haiti and making sure 
that the Kenyan forces and other forces have everything they 
need, which brings me to my next observation.
    When I speak to the leaders of other countries who have 
pledged their troops, who have pledged their dollars, they're 
questioning our commitment to Haiti, who is our ally, which is 
another concern that I have is that no one on the Republican 
side talked about our commitment and responsibility to Haiti, 
which is in our backyard and who is actually our ally also and 
how we're making--I mean, their actions by holding back funds 
is actually putting us in a position of weakness and we see 
this playing out.
    Have you heard concerns from other countries about the 
ambivalence of the Republicans releasing the funds?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I don't think they talk about it 
in terms of parties but they are concerned with our ability to 
come forward with the funds that we committed to this effort 
because we have a good number of countries who have come 
forward to make their own pledges, about $100 million--close to 
$100 million--and if they see that we're not moving forward 
with ours they may pull back on theirs.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. And has it been clear what 
they're asking for before they released the funding? Because--
--
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. They'd like to make sure that the 
funds that we committed including the funds that are currently 
with Congress actually go forward.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. No, has the funds that--has the 
funds that the Republicans are withholding--have they made 
clear what they're looking for before they actually release the 
funds?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I don't want to speak for anyone 
else. That wouldn't be appropriate. But we have had many, many, 
many briefings, discussions, conversations, going over the 
plans.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. So, to my understanding, we had--
--
    Secretary Blinken. And, of course, it's totally appropriate 
for Congress to want to make sure that it sees and understands 
the plans and what the program is and we have brought forward 
that information.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. So, to my understanding, we have 
had over 80 briefings on the situation in Haiti and what's 
going to happen with the MSS----
    Secretary Blinken. That sounds right.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick [continuing]. Goals and we have 
outlined the safeguards and what's going on in Haiti. Is that 
correct?
    Secretary Blinken. That sounds right.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. So do you feel like 80 briefings 
is sufficient for you to be confident to actually release the 
funding?
    Secretary Blinken. I would hope so.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. So would you infer that the real 
reason they're holding back the funding is because of the 
political games that they're playing?
    Secretary Blinken. I don't want to infer and, again, I 
think it's important that----
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. But a reasonable person could 
infer that?
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. Again, we move forward with 
this. Look, I understand----
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. So what is the timing? So if 
they're holding back funding how much time do you think we have 
before the funds have to be released?
    Secretary Blinken. The timing is now. The mission is ready 
to go forward. The Kenyans are ready to proceed. So the timing 
is now. We really need to move forward on this in the coming 
weeks.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. And so before I run out of time, 
could you articulate the position--the administration's 
position on Hope Health and how it could help Haiti especially 
in this economic downturn?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. I think this is a vital program in 
terms of giving an appropriate trade preference to the apparel 
sector in Haiti, which is the leading sector.
    We have already seen employment in that sector because of 
the downturn and the crisis that Haiti has faced go from about 
50,000 to 30,000 people. This is a huge opportunity to give 
young people an opportunity.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. And with my last 5 seconds, could 
you please--I'm sorry, for my last 3 seconds could you please 
articulate how soon do you need the money to be released to 
actually save Haitian lives?
    Secretary Blinken. Really, in the coming days or weeks.
    Mrs. Cherfilus-McCormick. Thank you.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Mr. Secretary, I'm going to recognize one more Member of 
Congress before we recess very briefly for a quick--we might be 
able to get two in and then we're going to recess briefly for a 
few very short votes.
    My hope is to get everyone back here at 5:20. You know, we 
have got about maybe 15 or more members that are really--have 
waited a year to talk to you, sir. I'm hoping that you can 
accommodate those that are willing to come back.
    Secretary Blinken. Look, I want to do everything I can do 
to accommodate people but as I told the chairman coming in I 
have a hard stop at 5:30. So whatever we can do between now and 
5:30----
    Mrs. Wagner. Well----
    Secretary Blinken. I know you have commitments to vote. I, 
unfortunately, have commitments.
    Mrs. Wagner. We'll get moving now and then if we could come 
up with some kind of accommodation for those that aren't able 
to ask questions we'll figure that out.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. Of course.
    Mrs. Wagner. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from 
New Jersey, Mr. Kean, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Kean. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Secretary, thank you 
for taking the time to be with us today.
    Mr. Secretary, during your recent visit to Ukraine you 
said, quote, ``We have not encouraged or enabled strikes 
outside of Ukraine. But, ultimately, Ukraine has to make 
decisions for itself about how it's going to conduct this 
war,'' end quote.
    When I met with President Zelensky here in the capital last 
year and in Ukraine earlier this year a couple weeks back on a 
bipartisan trip that I led to Kyiv in both instances and 
throughout this course of this entire war President Zelensky 
had been pushing for more long-range ATACMS, for the REPO Act, 
and that every single time the Biden administration in these 
instances and many others delayed and did not support those 
endeavors.
    I agree with you that Ukraine has a sovereign right to 
conduct this war as they see fit. However, they will not be 
able to do so if they are worried that this administration will 
publicly rebuke them afterwards as you did when Ukraine struck 
Russian oil refineries earlier this year.
    They must know that America truly supports their need to 
fight this war as they see fit. Will this administration 
explicitly allow Ukraine to strike targets in Russian territory 
and Russian air space?
    Secretary Blinken. Congressman, as you may know, I was just 
there about 10 days ago, spent a lot of time with President 
Zelensky, other leaders, and I'm determined to make sure that 
they have what they need to effectively defend themselves and 
we're in an ongoing conversation about them in terms of what 
that requires at any given time.
    We have to date not endorsed or enabled strikes outside of 
Ukrainian territory. We're always open to conversations with 
them to see what they need and the decisions that they make 
what we can do to support them.
    Throughout this 2 years--more than 2 years now--we have 
worked to get them what they need when they need it to be as 
effective as possible in repelling the Russians.
    Mr. Kean. Respectfully, this administration has with 
frequency delayed the weapons that President Zelensky has 
needed in a timely fashion to actually accomplish the mission 
of defeating Putin's invasion--illegal invasion of Ukraine.
    I urge you to reverse his dangerous policy. Russia has 
fought this war with gloves off since day one and we cannot 
continue to tie Ukraine's hands.
    Has the administration indicated to Israel any limitations 
on its use of U.S.-origin weapons against Hezbollah as it has 
with Hamas in Rafah?
    Secretary Blinken. Against Hezbollah? No.
    Mr. Kean. Well, the administration has made it clear that 
they do not want Israel to decisively win its war against 
Hamas.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, we do. We do. I think we very much 
do.
    Mr. Kean. Hamas started because they do not want Israel to 
undertake a significant operation in Rafah.
    Secretary Blinken. The question is whether that will be 
effective and whether that will be enduring. We believe we have 
a better way to deal with the problem we both agree has to be 
dealt with and that is Hamas.
    Mr. Kean. What is your--if I may.
    Secretary Blinken. Please.
    Mr. Kean. What is the administration's current policy 
regarding the acceptable end State that is the evil that is 
Hamas at the end of this war if you do not support a Rafah 
operation?
    Secretary Blinken. We do not want to see Hamas governing 
Gaza. We do not want to see Hamas representing an ongoing 
threat to Israel, the ability to repeat what happened on 
October 7th, and we're united in that goal. The question is how 
best--how most effectively to achieve it in a way that's 
enduring.
    Mr. Kean. By delaying Israel the weaponry necessary to 
defeat the evil threat that is Hamas you are hurting the 
situation, not helping it.
    I yield back. Thank you.
    Mrs. Wagner. The gentleman yields back. The chair now 
recognizes the gentleman from Arizona, Mr. Stanton, for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    In about 2 weeks the people of Mexico will head to the 
polls to elect a new president. The outcome will have wide-
ranging impacts in my home State of Arizona and the entire 
United States.
    Arizona, America, and Mexico's fates are intertwined not 
just as geographic neighbors but as strategic partners in 
tackling increased global migration, illicit fentanyl 
trafficking, and water scarcity on both sides of the border.
    There are incredible opportunities before us. Mexico 
recently overtook China to become America's largest trading 
partner. As President Biden and congressional leaders work to 
bring advanced manufacturing back to the U.S. nearshoring 
supply chain components in Mexico and Latin America becomes all 
the more critical, particularly for national security.
    Secretary Blinken, I have a few questions about the outcome 
of the Mexican elections and how they might impact the U.S.-
Mexico relationship. I'd ask you to keep your answers brief for 
timeliness.
    First, a record number of migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico 
border has severely strained Arizona's State and local 
resources. We have to reestablish operational control of the 
southern border and Mexico needs to do a lot more to manage 
U.S.-bound migration.
    Mr. Secretary, how does the department intend to work with 
the new Mexican government to limit migrants transiting through 
the country?
    Secretary Blinken. We're already working intensely with the 
current government. That will continue under the next 
government whatever it is.
    We have seen a decrease in migrant encounters from Mexico 
since December, going down from about 11,000 or 12,000 to 4,000 
or 5,000. We will--I want to do even more and, by the way, I 
think the bill that--currently before Congress would be an 
important step in that direction.
    Mr. Stanton. We hope that bill gets a hearing on our side 
of the Capitol.
    Illicit fentanyl is devastating American communities, 
almost all of it produced by Mexican drug cartels with 
precursor chemicals imported from China, a fact the current 
president of Mexico has repeatedly refused to acknowledge.
    Tough diplomacy brought China back to the negotiating table 
last year on this critical issue. How will the department work 
with the incoming Mexican administration to halt the import of 
Chinese precursor chemicals?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, we have been working intensely 
with the current Mexican government on that. We have seen 
increased collaboration in terms of trying to bust up the 
criminal cartels, the enterprises on the Mexican side of the 
border. We have seen enhancements to the border itself in terms 
of screening technology to try to catch the fentanyl before it 
gets across the border.
    We have a whole of government approach for not only 
engaging the Mexican law enforcement authorities but the 
regulatory authorities and others to make sure that their own 
companies are not engaged in the illicit diversion of these 
chemical precursors and I have to say I think the cooperation 
has increased significantly.
    And, of course, we want to do even more and that will 
continue--that needs to continue irrespective of the new 
government.
    Mr. Stanton. A secure global semiconductor supply chain is 
essential to the success of domestic investments made under the 
CHIPS Act. I've introduced H.R. 8414, the bipartisan 
Semiconductor Supply Chain Security and Diversification Act, to 
promote investment in a regional semiconductor ecosystem in 
Latin America.
    There are ample opportunities for the United States and 
other foreign companies to nearshore operations in Mexico 
particularly in the semiconductor supply chain.
    However, I've heard from CEOs of major corporations 
concerned about the threat of violence and extortion for 
Mexican drug cartels which President Lopez Obrador has not 
adequately confronted.
    How will the State Department encourage the new Mexican 
administration to counter the drug cartels, violent crime, and 
reassure American businesses evaluating the viability of Mexico 
as a nearshoring destination?
    Secretary Blinken. We have made exactly that argument to 
the current government, which is there's a tremendous 
opportunity exactly as you've described to nearshore, to have 
Mexico be a critical part of the supply chain.
    But the business environment itself including the 
regulatory environment and making sure that the private sector 
can do what it needs to do is critical and, yes, the security 
environment is critical as well.
    Mr. Stanton. Finally, water security is critical to the 
desert southwest and Mexico has been a key partner on the 
Colorado River. While Mexico's recent commitment to additional 
water conservation is helpful we simply cannot solve this 
crisis without a long-term solution that ensures cuts are 
shared among all basin users including our friends in Mexico.
    Mr. Secretary, what steps is the U.S. taking to make sure 
Mexico will share in the pain and conserve the water necessary 
to protect the system in the long term?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, I fully agree with you on that and 
we have been very much engaged on that. They're not meeting 
their water delivery commitments to the United States under the 
1944 treaty that we have as you know well and have been very 
engaged on.
    Delivering right now the amount of water at the 3-year mark 
of their 5-year commitment is way below where it needs to be 
and it's unlikely they can meet what they need to do by the end 
of the 5-years.
    We have engaged intensely on this including recently with 
President Lopez Obrador, with the foreign minister. I saw her 
just a couple of weeks ago on this, the officials--the State 
officials and Tamaulipas and Chihuahua and we want to see this 
get done. It's imperative that it happen.
    They also, I think, have told us that their own elections 
may be what's an impediment to getting this done. The elections 
are June the 2d so let's see where we are after June the 2d.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. I yield 
back.
    Mr. Lawler [presiding]. The gentleman's time has expired. I 
now recognize myself for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Secretary, do you agree with Senator Schumer's call for 
regime change in Israel?
    Secretary Blinken. No. Well, let me say this. I don't--I'm 
not sure what call you're referring to but if there's a regime 
change----
    Mr. Lawler. Senator Schumer stood on the Senate floor--I'm 
sure you saw the speech--and demanded regime change in Israel.
    Secretary Blinken. That's not for----
    Mr. Lawler. Do you agree with Senator Schumer?
    Secretary Blinken. It's not for us to decide who Israel's 
government is.
    Mr. Lawler. So yes or no, do you agree?
    Secretary Blinken. I didn't--that's not what I heard him 
say. But, regardless, it's not for us to decide who Israel's 
government is.
    Mr. Lawler. Do you agree with Nancy Pelosi that Prime 
Minister Netanyahu should resign?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, it's not for us to say. These are 
decisions for the Israelis to make.
    Mr. Lawler. Do you agree with the Hamas ministry of 
health's death toll?
    Secretary Blinken. The precise figures we can't validate. 
The general number of dead, wounded, injured, we know it's--the 
toll is terrible and the Israelis acknowledged that themselves.
    Mr. Lawler. So we don't have an actual count?
    Secretary Blinken. A precise number, no. It's almost 
impossible to get a precise number in the midst of a war. We 
have----
    Mr. Lawler. So on the decisions that the administration has 
made with respect to providing Israel lethal aid what are you 
using as a metrics to make the determination?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, we have our--we have our 
evaluations. We have our assessments that are not simply what 
the Hamas ministry is putting out but our own intelligence 
information from a variety of sources--resources, media----
    Mr. Lawler. So do you reject--do you reject the Hamas 
Ministry of Health's numbers?
    Secretary Blinken. In terms of the precision of the numbers 
I can't validate those numbers. But, generally speaking, the 
rough number of total----
    Mr. Lawler. Is the position of the State Department that 
they're not accurate?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, are they accurate to the person? 
Of course, we can't validate that. It's impossible to do that.
    Mr. Lawler. The United Nations recently revised down the 
death toll by almost 50 percent. Do you believe that to be 
accurate?
    Secretary Blinken. Again, those--with absolute precision we 
can't say. But, listen, if it's 14,000 children or 7,000 
children it's still 7,000 children too many.
    Mr. Lawler. Do you blame Israel or Hamas for that?
    Secretary Blinken. I blame--Hamas has created this--the 
crossfire that so many of these people are caught up in.
    Mr. Lawler. Okay. You agree they use their own innocent 
civilians as human shields, correct?
    Secretary Blinken. I do, but I also believe that Israel 
must maximize every possible effort to protect civilians and 
try to----
    Mr. Lawler. Well, didn't the State Department put out a 
report saying that they are?
    Secretary Blinken. We put out a report that went through 
this in some detail both in terms of the use of weapons and 
also humanitarian----
    Mr. Lawler. And what did your report find? Is Israel using 
maximum care or no?
    Secretary Blinken. Our report found that based on the 
totality of damage that's been done it's reasonable to assess 
that in some instances Israel has acted in ways that are not in 
accordance with international humanitarian law.
    Those instances are under review and investigation by us 
but also, critically, by Israel and that's the important point 
as well. It has the ability to self-police and we have to hold 
ourselves, whether it's Israel, the United States, or any other 
democracy, to the highest possible standards in war, even one--
a war that was brought to them by a vicious terrorist group and 
one that engages in practices like hiding behind civilians.
    Even there they and we have an obligation to do everything 
possible to make sure that to the best of our ability civilians 
are not harmed.
    Mr. Lawler. And do you think that they are doing that to 
the best of their abilities?
    Secretary Blinken. I think that there's a gap between the 
intent that's stated to do that and some of the results that we 
have seen and we want to make sure that that gap is closed.
    Mr. Lawler. So do you believe Israel is committing a 
genocide?
    Secretary Blinken. No.
    Mr. Lawler. Why did the State Department mourn the death of 
President Raisi?
    Secretary Blinken. We have offered official condolences in 
the past when the countries lose their leaders. That doesn't 
change in any way the fact that Mr. Raisi horrifically 
repressed his own people as a judge and then as a president of 
the country. It doesn't change any of our policy toward Iran.
    Mr. Lawler. Do you agree--you agree Iran is the greatest 
State sponsor of terror, correct?
    Secretary Blinken. If it's not No. 1 it's certainly near--
very near the top of the list.
    Mr. Lawler. Okay. And do you agree that they fund Hamas 
about, roughly, 93 percent of their budget?
    Secretary Blinken. Hamas has been significantly funded by 
Iran. Of course, Hamas has also been funded by other sources. 
But Iran, yes, is a significant funder.
    Mr. Lawler. Do you believe that Iran and its proxies Hamas 
want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?
    Secretary Blinken. I do.
    Mr. Lawler. You agree that's their stated goal?
    Secretary Blinken. That's their stated goal. You're right.
    Mr. Lawler. Okay. So you know that's their stated goal. No. 
1, why would we recognize the death of the Butcher of Tehran 
and, No. 2, why are you withholding weapons and making it 
harder for Israel to defend itself knowing full well as you 
just testified that Iran and Hamas want to wipe Israel off the 
face of the earth?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes, and we have done everything that we 
can do to make sure that Israel has the means to deal 
effectively with Hamas including making sure October 7th never 
happens again. The question is what is the best way to get an 
enduring resolution to the problem of Hamas. We have different 
views on----
    Mr. Lawler. Well, the best way to do it is for Hamas to 
surrender and release the hostages, is it not?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes. Absolutely.
    Mr. Lawler. Okay. So this administration has been an abject 
disaster when it comes to Iran. Since Joe Biden took office 
Iranian petroleum sales are up $88 billion. It's why I fought 
to get my bill, the SHIP Act and the Iran-China Energy 
Sanctions Act passed.
    Are you prepared to enact these into law as part of the 
administration and what steps have been taken since this bill 
was passed weeks ago to start enacting the SHIP Act?
    Secretary Blinken. We have found and deemed as blocked more 
than 50 ships. We'll continue to identify others. We are 
working to deflag ships so that they can't move and get 
services from port to port to get at the fleet that is 
conducting the illicit trade in oil and petrochemical products.
    Mr. Lawler. And you agree China is the biggest purchaser of 
Iranian petroleum?
    Secretary Blinken. China is certainly, again, either at the 
top of the list or near it, yes.
    Mr. Lawler. Thank you. My time has expired.
    I now recognize Madeleine Dean for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Dean. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Secretary 
Blinken, for being here today, for your years of faithful 
service, for your testimony, for your budget request that I 
support.
    I wanted to just start with Ukraine. So much of the focus 
has been on what's the needs of today--what does Ukraine need 
today--and I was just there in February with other members. But 
I want to clear up something by way of a simple comparison and 
contrast. There's been a lot of criticism today about Israel 
and the pause by the administration on the single shipment 
1,800-, 2,000-pound dumb bombs.
    Did that pause--does that pause put Israel at any risk of 
not being able to defend itself? Of being short of the military 
equipment it requires?
    Secretary Blinken. No, it does not.
    Ms. Dean. Not at all?
    Secretary Blinken. No.
    Ms. Dean. Israel has what it needs?
    Secretary Blinken. Yes.
    Ms. Dean. By contrast, as I said, I went to Ukraine in 
February. Right after we passed the supplemental I could see in 
President Zelensky's eyes, in the generals' and military 
members' eyes that look of we're off the edge of desperation. 
Did the majority's 6-month waiting to get the supplemental 
across did that jeopardize Ukraine's ability to defend itself?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, I think the--whatever the reason 
the 6-month delay in getting the supplemental did have real 
consequences on the battlefield in terms of creating an 
environment in which Russia could do more damage to Ukraine.
    Now, happily, the supplemental is there. It was approved on 
an overwhelming bipartisan basis. That's a very good thing, and 
we're working every single day to move that assistance out to 
the Ukrainians who need it.
    Ms. Dean. Absolutely, and I thank you for your leadership. 
I thank the Chairman McCaul for his leadership in pushing the 
supplemental across.
    I'd like to look to the future, and you from day one and 
the administration from day one has said, for example, in 
Ukraine what does the future look like and rebuilding.
    President Zelensky in our meeting thanked us for the REPO 
Act, for the freezing of Russian assets with a future of using 
those assets for rebuilding. We met with the American Chamber. 
They see the extraordinary need and opportunity.
    You said in your remarks in Kyiv just last week, I think it 
was, quote, ``There is one more crucial step we can take, 
making Russia pay for Ukraine's recovery and reconstruction. 
What Putin destroyed Russia should and must pay to rebuild. 
It's what international law demands. It's what the Ukrainian 
people deserve. Our Congress has given us the power to seize 
Russian assets in the United States. We intend to use it,'' end 
quote.
    Secretary Blinken. Yes.
    Ms. Dean. What steps has the State Department taken toward 
making Russia pay for reconstruction in Ukraine? What plans 
does State have to use those authorities granted to it? How are 
you working with partner nations to unlock more money? And 
Zelensky talked--the president spoke directly about this that 
we are a model in use of the REPO Act but we have $5 billion or 
$6 billion whereas Europe sitting on hundreds of billions. Can 
you tell us----
    Secretary Blinken. That's exactly right.
    First of all, I applaud the REPO Act and appreciate the 
leadership in getting that done. Second, we have been using 
that and using our diplomacy to rally other countries, 
particularly the countries where these assets are located. 
They're the ones who ultimately have to agree to this to enable 
their use.
    Now we have had, I think, one initial important step 
forward just a couple of days ago. The European Union has now 
agreed that the interest generated by the sovereign assets in 
Europe can be used and given to Ukraine to support and to 
rebuild.
    But what we'd like to see happen now is to find a way to in 
one way or another in effect use the principal and one of the 
things that we're looking at, and I hope that by the G-7 
meeting that the President will attend we can get--make 
progress on that, is to in effect use the principal as 
collateral for a loan, a bond, that would generate significant 
moneys now for Ukraine to help it get started on the rebuild.
    Ms. Dean. I certainly hope so also. The principal must be 
used. Russia must pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine.
    And I know my colleague Ms. Manning asked you about the 
hostages and I wear this--it was given to me by a hostage 
family. We all have met with many of the hostage families. I 
think of them every single day. I can't understand how the 
world has not come around and said, Hamas, you must release all 
of the hostages living and dead.
    What's the clearest statement of where we stand with the 
hostage negotiations now?
    Secretary Blinken. Like you I am determined every single 
day to get them back home, to get them with their families. And 
I know the families. I've met with them many times here in the 
United States and Israel as has President Biden and we have 
come close, I think, to reaching agreements that would get a 
cease-fire and the hostages released and, hopefully, start a 
process that moves to a more enduring peace and security for 
Israel, for the Palestinians.
    But in the most recent go around on this Hamas did not say 
yes to what I thought was a very generous and appropriate 
proposal coming from Israel. So we continue to be at it. CIA 
Director Bill Burns, myself, other White House officials, 
working on this, working with Qatar and Egypt, we continue to 
have officials who are talking about this and we will continue 
to make the hardest possible run at it.
    But in this moment, unfortunately, we do not have the 
agreement that we should.
    Ms. Dean. I thank you for your work. Godspeed and bring 
home the hostages. Thank you.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mr. Davidson [presiding]. I thank the gentleman.
    I now recognize myself for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Secretary, I just want to pick up where Mr. Waltz left 
off. I couldn't have said that better. So I'm going to focus on 
different parts of the world.
    America is less free, less safe, more burdened by debt 
under, frankly, your leadership and this administration's. 
That's really, unfortunately, the macro trend since the end of 
the cold war.
    We really haven't managed it well and part of the reason is 
China has really responded to the end of the cold war just 
fine. They have really focused on China's national security and 
they've managed to be at peace.
    The United States has focused everywhere else in the world 
but China. I think a lot of my other colleagues have addressed 
Pacific concerns but I want us to focus right here in our own 
hemisphere.
    Do you still believe that the Monroe Doctrine has any 
relevance for the direction of security in our own hemisphere?
    Secretary Blinken. I'll have to come back to you on that in 
terms of refreshing my memory on the details of the Monroe 
Doctrine. What I can tell you is two things. One, in terms of 
China we're in a much stronger position than we were 2 years--
--
    Mr. Davidson. Let me focus not on China--like I said, on 
our own hemisphere. So let me just--here's the Cliff Notes. 
Should we pay more attention to our own hemisphere than to 
other parts of the world?
    Secretary Blinken. We're paying intense----
    Mr. Davidson. Does the border with the United States and 
Mexico matter?
    Secretary Blinken. It does and I hope to----
    Mr. Davidson. Does the border with Guatemala and Mexico 
matter?
    Secretary Blinken [continuing]. The bill before Congress 
now will be voted on because that would improve----
    Mr. Davidson. Does China's expansion into South America 
matter to the United States?
    Secretary Blinken. It does, and we're intensely focused----
    Mr. Davidson. Because we used to care. We used to care when 
other countries came in to this sphere more than we cared where 
they went over in their own parts of the world.
    Secretary Blinken. We have been more focused on this 
hemisphere than any previous administration I can think of 
including, by the way, the administrations I participated in.
    Mr. Davidson. Look, I will commend you on using fishing 
rights off of Ecuador to push China out of that region. I can 
say, hey, there's been a win. Maybe not much more than that.
    But we haven't done much to counter China's influence all 
over this hemisphere, and notably with the cartel is there any 
illicit finance going into Mexico?
    Secretary Blinken. Oh, certainly. Illicit finance going 
into Mexico, yes.
    Mr. Davidson. What are we doing about it?
    Secretary Blinken. We're engaged with the Mexicans 
virtually every single day----
    Mr. Davidson. Have we sanctioned any financial institution?
    Secretary Blinken. We have sanctioned people and we have 
also--beyond sanctioning people we have worked to give Mexico 
the assets, the authorities, the capacities they need to help 
take down these cartels, to disrupt the financing.
    Mr. Davidson. How is that turning out? Are we taking down 
the cartels?
    Secretary Blinken. Actually, we have seen significant 
progress over the last 3 years, yes, in taking down cartels and 
disrupting drug supplies, seizing more fentanyl over the last 
couple of years than ever before.
    Mr. Davidson. Okay. So here's the thing. The cartels--the 
cartels under the Trump administration were trafficking humans 
across the border and The New York Times say that they--the 
Trump administration they were making around $500 million a 
year.
    One and a half years in, so that's at the midway point from 
here back, the Biden administration they said that the cartels 
were making over $13 billion a year smuggling people across the 
border.
    Is that helping rein in the cartels by what you're doing to 
stop the cartels? Why wouldn't you reverse the remain in Mexico 
policy?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, again, I would commend to the 
Congress the bill that is before it that I think----
    Mr. Davidson. No. No. No. That doesn't reverse the policy. 
That just funds more illegals everywhere in the country and it 
actually puts a cap on the future administration for getting 
them out.
    Let me turn to the influence that is going on in Guatemala. 
You were recently there and just before your visit members of 
the Guatemalan Congress were threatened by our embassy there 
that they would lose their U.S. visas and their kids who are 
studying here would lose their visas to study in America if 
they didn't support removal of Guatemala's attorney general.
    Do you think the United States should be manipulating 
members of a foreign Congress in this manner?
    Secretary Blinken. It's not a question of manipulating 
members of a foreign Congress. It's the fact that in the recent 
election in Guatemala there was a very strong attempt made to 
prevent the democratically--elected president of Guatemala from 
taking office.
    There was an attempt to disrupt the inauguration of that 
president, and if we stand for democracy anywhere we have to 
stand for it everywhere including in Guatemala.
    Mr. Davidson. So is the State Department's opposition to 
the attorney general at all related to her recent 
investigations to determine if the Biden administration is 
complicit in the trafficking of children into the United 
States? Nothing to do with that? Correlation, not causation?
    Secretary Blinken. That is absurd.
    Mr. Davidson. Good to hear. One question about NATO. NATO 
is front and center for the war in Ukraine. Back when CIA 
Director Burns said this in February 2008, quote, ``Ukrainian 
entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the 
Russian elite, not just Putin.
    In my more than two and a half years of conversations with 
key Russian players, from knuckle draggers in the dark recesses 
of the Kremlin to Putin's sharpest liberal critics, I have yet 
to find anyone who views Ukraine and NATO as anything other 
than a direct challenge to Russia's interest. Today's Russia 
will respond.''
    Do you believe Mr. Burns' assessment was accurate?
    Secretary Blinken. What year was that? I'm sorry.
    Mr. Davidson. 2008.
    Secretary Blinken. It may have been at the time. I think we 
have seen--everything we have seen since from Russia and from 
Mr. Putin certainly argues in the other direction.
    Mr. Davidson. No, it says that it's really important to 
them. They literally invaded. I mean, if you look--you left 
Afghanistan on August 31st, 2021.
    On September 1st you entered into a strategic partnership 
with Ukraine to support their membership in NATO and then you 
continued to--you continued to escalate and Vladimir Putin 
invaded there.
    That doesn't excuse his invasion but it's clearly a red 
line. I wish I had more time. I yield my time back and I now 
recognize the gentleman, Mr. Costa, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I don't 
want to retread ground that we have already covered, although I 
do find it somewhat hypocritical to be Monday morning 
quarterbacking our situation in Ukraine when in fact a majority 
of our colleagues on the other side delayed for 5 months that 
assistance that Ukraine could have used at the time that would 
have, I think, prevented the current offensive that we see 
Russia taking place.
    Since you just came back from Ukraine I'd like you to 
highlight in the next 6 months--I mean, I think we have done, 
to be fair, micromanaging in the West Wing that was 
unnecessary.
    I mean, we pushed a lot of things whether they be ATACMS, 
whether they be the F-16s, only to see the administration 
finally agree but months later. We can't continue that.
    What are your assessment on what we're going to be able to 
do in the next 6 months in terms of the ATACMS, in terms of F-
16 pilots, the most recent request today by President Zelensky 
to move this in an expeditious way as possible?
    Secretary Blinken. Well, thank you and, look, all along we 
have been working to make sure that the Ukrainians have what 
they need when they need it and can use it effectively, and as 
I've mentioned before the challenge with any given weapon 
system is making sure not only that they get the weapon but 
that they have people trained and know how to use it, that they 
have the ability to maintain it.
    Mr. Costa. These Ukrainians are the MacGyvers of the--let's 
be clear about that.
    Secretary Blinken. They are. They are, but we want to make 
sure that they have the ability to do that including the 
training is also very critical. But the ATACMS are there and 
they are having an effect and will continue as we go along.
    Mr. Costa. And in terms of the self-defense with Kharkiv 
right now, I mean, it is nonsense to believe that they're 
attacking from Russian soil and that we can's prevent that in 
terms of a defensive means to protect these people. Putin is a 
war criminal.
    He's is bombing hospitals and kidnapping children and 
schools. We have got to allow the Ukrainians to defend 
themselves.
    Secretary Blinken. And, again, Ukraine is going to make the 
decisions it needs to make to defend itself. I want to make 
sure that they have everything they need to do that.
    Mr. Costa. And the self-defense protection for cities like 
Kharkiv and Odessa there are batteries of Iron Domes out there 
that they could--that have been identified. Are we doing 
everything we can to provide them with that support?
    Secretary Blinken. I have been looking under every couch, 
every cushion, to help find Patriot systems, other air defense 
systems, to get to the Ukrainians and we continue to do that 
every day. We need more air defenses. There's no question about 
that.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I want to continue to work with you on 
that effort.
    Let me move to another part of the neighborhood, Armenia. 
What Azerbaijan has done is unconscionable with the natives of 
Nagorno-Karabakh.
    We have increased humanitarian assistance from $15 million 
to $65 million but I think that Armenia has requested an 
additional $200 million in assistance and the congressional 
Armenian Caucus has sent you a letter to that effect. Where are 
we on that?
    Secretary Blinken. So we're looking at a series of requests 
from Armenia to see what we can do to strengthen even more our 
support and cooperation with Armenia. I met with Prime Minister 
Pashinyan just a few weeks ago in Brussels with the head of the 
European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, precisely to look at 
what more we and the EU can do to support Armenia and we'll be 
moving forward, I think, on a number of--in a number of 
different areas.
    Prime Minister Pashinyan has done an extraordinary job 
leading his country in very, very difficult times. We want to 
make sure that we're getting people the support they need 
including those who have left Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Mr. Costa. But I don't think we have used our leverage with 
Azerbaijan. I mean, this defense agreement that we have with 
them--when they have violated so many of their agreements with 
Armenia I think it's reprehensible what Azerbaijan has done.
    Secretary Blinken. I think the best thing that can happen 
is they have made progress--Armenia and Azerbaijan--on a peace 
agreement and if that agreement can be reached I think that's 
the thing that stands both Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the whole 
region in the best stead. So we would want to support----
    Mr. Costa. Mr. Secretary, you and I are, I guess, different 
on this. I don't trust Azerbaijan.
    Secretary Blinken. Well, always--as someone once said, 
trust but verify.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I agree.
    Let me just close. I think that in terms of America's 
challenges that we face in the world this is a seminal moment 
that we're living in in world history. Has been for the last 
several years, and the decisions that we make today historians 
will look back 20 years from now. Hopefully, we'll make more 
good decisions than poor decisions.
    What are your priorities in terms of the decisions we're 
making in the next 6 months to make sure that we make more good 
ones than poor ones during this seminal moment with the 
challenges of Russia and China and this difficult world we're 
living in?
    Secretary Blinken. We want to make sure, and our budget 
reflects this, that we can continue what's been very successful 
in terms of dealing with the challenges posed by China and that 
is making the necessary investments in ourselves, aligning even 
more closely with our allies and partners because the combined 
weight that we bring to dealing with challenges posed by China 
when we're together is much greater than any one of us doing 
alone.
    We have had real success with that. We need to continue 
doing that. We need to continue the support for Ukraine so that 
it can deal effectively with the aggression coming from Russia 
as well as help set Ukraine up for success--long-term success.
    Mr. Costa. To win.
    Secretary Blinken. To win, and win also means having a 
successful country, one that is militarily, economically, and 
democratically strong and that can resist further aggression.
    Mr. Costa. And, I might add, we need to work together in a 
bipartisan fashion.
    Secretary Blinken. We would welcome that as always.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you.
    Secretary Blinken. Thank you.
    Mr. Davidson. The gentleman's time has expired.
    I thank the Secretary for valuable testimony and members 
for their questions. Members of the committee, particularly 
those who couldn't stay here, may have some additional 
questions for the Secretary. We ask you to respond to these in 
writing.
    Pursuant to committee rules all members may have 5 days to 
submit statements, questions, and extraneous materials for the 
record subject to the length limitations.
    Without objection, the committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 5:27 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]

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