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                   FAA REAUTHORIZATION: ENHANCING AMERICA'S 
                    GOLD STANDARD IN AVIATION SAFETY

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                                HEARING

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                              COMMITTEE ON
                   TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            FEBRUARY 7, 2023

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             COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

                Sam Graves, Missouri, Chairman
                
Rick Larsen, Washington,             Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford, 
  Ranking Member                     Arkansas
Eleanor Holmes Norton,               Daniel Webster, Florida
  District of Columbia               Thomas Massie, Kentucky
Grace F. Napolitano, California      Scott Perry, Pennsylvania
Steve Cohen, Tennessee               Brian Babin, Texas
John Garamendi, California           Garret Graves, Louisiana
Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr.,      Georgiavid Rouzer, North Carolina
Andre Carson, Indiana                Mike Bost, Illinois
Dina Titus, Nevada                   Doug LaMalfa, California
Jared Huffman, California            Bruce Westerman, Arkansas
Julia Brownley, California           Brian J. Mast, Florida
Frederica S. Wilson, Florida         Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon,
Donald M. Payne, Jr., New Jersey       Puerto Rico
Mark DeSaulnier, California          Pete Stauber, Minnesota
Salud O. Carbajal, California        Tim Burchett, Tennessee
Greg Stanton, Arizona,               Dusty Johnson, South Dakota
  Vice Ranking Member                Jefferson Van Drew, New Jersey,
Colin Z. Allred, Texas                 Vice Chairman
Sharice Davids, Kansas               Troy E. Nehls, Texas
Jesus G. ``Chuy'' Garcia, Illinois   Lance Gooden, Texas
Chris Pappas, New Hampshire          Tracey Mann, Kansas
Seth Moulton, Massachusetts          Burgess Owens, Utah
Jake Auchincloss, Massachusetts      Rudy Yakym III, Indiana
Marilyn Strickland, Washington       Lori Chavez-DeRemer, Oregon
Troy A. Carter, Louisiana            Chuck Edwards, North Carolina
Patrick Ryan, New York               Thomas H. Kean, Jr., New Jersey
Mary Sattler Peltola, Alaska         Anthony D'Esposito, New York
Robert Menendez, New Jersey          Eric Burlison, Missouri
Val T. Hoyle, Oregon                 John James, Michigan
Emilia Strong Sykes, Ohio            Derrick Van Orden, Wisconsin
Hillary J. Scholten, Michigan        Brandon Williams, New York
Valerie P. Foushee, North Carolina   Marcus J. Molinaro, New York
                                     Mike Collins, Georgia
                                     Mike Ezell, Mississippi
                                     John S. Duarte, California
                                     Aaron Bean, Florida

                               CONTENTS

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Summary of Subject Matter........................................     v

                 STATEMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE

Hon. Sam Graves, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Missouri, and Chairman, Committee on Transportation and 
  Infrastructure, opening statement..............................     1
    Prepared statement...........................................     2
Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Washington, and Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and 
  Infrastructure, opening statement..............................     3
    Prepared statement...........................................     4
Hon. Garret Graves, a Representative in Congress from the State 
  of Louisiana, and Chairman, Subcommittee on Aviation, opening 
  statement......................................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................     7
Hon. Steve Cohen, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Tennessee, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Aviation, 
  opening statement..............................................     7

                               WITNESSES

David H. Boulter, Acting Associate Administrator for Aviation 
  Safety, Federal Aviation Administration, oral statement........     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    11
Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National Transportation Safety 
  Board, oral statement..........................................    14
    Prepared statement...........................................    16
Capt. Jason Ambrosi, President, Air Line Pilots Association, 
  International, oral statement..................................    23
    Prepared statement...........................................    24
Peter J. Bunce, President and Chief Executive Officer, General 
  Aviation Manufacturers Association, oral statement.............    29
    Prepared statement...........................................    30
Ed Bolen, President and Chief Executive Officer, National 
  Business Aviation Association, oral statement..................    37
    Prepared statement...........................................    39
Kerry Buckley, Ph.D., Vice President, Center for Advanced 
  Aviation System Development, MITRE Corporation, oral statement.    47
    Prepared statement...........................................    48

                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Submissions for the Record by Hon. Sam Graves:
    Statement of the American Society of Civil Engineers.........    53
    Statement of James Viola, President and Chief Executive 
      Officer, Helicopter Association International..............    55
    Statement of Robert Rose, Co-founder and Chief Executive 
      Officer, Reliable Robotics Corporation.....................   123
Submissions for the Record by Hon. Rick Larsen:
    Statement of John Samuelsen, International President, 
      Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO................    62
    Letter of February 6, 2023, to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and 
      Hon. Rick Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on 
      Transportation and Infrastructure, from Sean M. O'Brien, 
      General President, International Brotherhood of Teamsters..   125
Submissions for the Record by Hon. Scott Perry:
    Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association et al. v. County of 
      Santa Clara, California, FAA Docket No. 16-22-08...........    68
    Article, ``Study finds no elevated lead levels in Reid-
      Hillview Airport's soil. The results are bound to intensify 
      debates around the closure of the San Jose airport,'' by 
      Gabriel Greschler, Bay Area News Group, June 11, 2022, 
      updated: June 13, 2022.....................................    69
    Article, ``County study found lead within limits in soil 
      around Reid-Hillview. Officials sat on results until 
      journalists pressed for release,'' by Eric Blinderman, 
      AOPA, June 15, 2022........................................    71

                                APPENDIX

Questions to David H. Boulter, Acting Associate Administrator for 
  Aviation Safety, Federal Aviation Administration, from:
    Hon. Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford...............................   127
    Hon. Colin Z. Allred.........................................   128
    Hon. Troy A. Carter..........................................   129
Questions to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National 
  Transportation Safety Board, from:
    Hon. Grace F. Napolitano.....................................   130
    Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr...........................   131
    Hon. Dina Titus..............................................   132
    Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.....................................   132
    Hon. Greg Stanton............................................   132
    Hon. Patrick Ryan............................................   134
Questions to Capt. Jason Ambrosi, President, Air Line Pilots 
  Association, International, from:
    Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr...........................   134
    Hon. Dina Titus..............................................   135
    Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.....................................   135
    Hon. Greg Stanton............................................   135
Questions to Peter J. Bunce, President and Chief Executive 
  Officer, General Aviation Manufacturers Association, from:
    Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr...........................   135
    Hon. Greg Stanton............................................   136
Questions from Hon. Colin Z. Allred to Ed Bolen, President and 
  Chief Executive Officer, National Business Aviation Association   136




                            February 2, 2023

    SUMMARY OF SUBJECT MATTER

    TO:      LMembers, Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure
    FROM:  LStaff, Subcommittee on Aviation
    RE:      LFull Committee Hearing on ``FAA Reauthorization: 
Enhancing America's Gold Standard in Aviation Safety''
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                               I. PURPOSE

    The Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure will 
meet on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. ET in Room 
2167 of the Rayburn House Office Building for a hearing titled, 
``FAA Reauthorization: Enhancing America's Gold Standard in 
Aviation Safety.'' The hearing will focus on improving safety 
across the National Airspace System (NAS) in advance of 
Congress acting to reauthorize the Federal Aviation 
Administration's (FAA) statutory authorities which expire on 
October 1, 2023. Members will receive testimony from the FAA, 
the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), General 
Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA), National Business 
Aviation Association (NBAA), the MITRE Corporation, and the Air 
Line Pilots Association (ALPA).

                             II. BACKGROUND

    The primary mission of the FAA is ensuring civil aviation 
safety.\1\ The FAA has the responsibility to certify, monitor, 
and regulate the safety and operations of the civil aviation 
sector, including airlines, general aviation, unmanned aircraft 
systems (UAS), airports, commercial space transportation, 
repair stations, and aircraft manufacturers, as well as 
establish licensing and training requirements for pilots and 
other aviation related professionals.\2\ Congress periodically 
reauthorizes the FAA and other Federal civil aviation programs 
through an FAA reauthorization bill. The FAA was last 
reauthorized when Congress passed and the President signed the 
FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, which provisions expire on 
October 1, 2023.\3\
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    \1\ Mission, FAA, available at https://www.faa.gov/about/mission.
    \2\ See 49 U.S.C. Sec.  106(g).
    \3\ FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, Pub. L. No. 115-254, 132 Stat. 
3186.
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    Aviation safety in the United States has greatly improved 
over the last decade. Only three passengers on scheduled 
domestic passenger air carriers have died as the result of 
aircraft accidents since 2012 compared to the decade prior, 
which saw 140 passenger fatalities.\4\ In 11 of the last 13 
years, there have been no passenger fatalities in scheduled 
United States passenger air carrier operations.\5\ This 
improvement in safety occurred despite increasing passenger 
enplanements, which grew by 50 percent between 2002 and 
2019.\6\
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    \4\ NTSB, U.S. Civil Aviation Statistics (2021), available at 
https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/Pages/research.aspx, (last visited Jan. 31, 
2023) [hereinafter Civil Aviation Statistics].
    \5\ Id.
    \6\ Id.
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    General aviation has also become safer, with the number of 
fatal and nonfatal accidents trending downward since 2000.\7\ 
Experts suggest this has been due to numerous factors, 
including advancements in aircraft equipment and technologies, 
improved pilot training, improved education programs, and 
advocacy efforts across the general aviation community.\8\ 
Preliminary general aviation safety data shows the fatality 
rate per 100,000 flight hours has steadily declined in the past 
few decades.\9\ The average rate from 2012 to 2020 was 1.07, 
while the preceding decades were 1.29 and 1.49 
respectively.\10\
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    \7\ Bureau of Transp. Statistics, U.S. General Aviation Safety 
Data, available at https://www.bts.gov/content/us-general-aviationa-
safety-data (last visited Jan. 31, 2023) [hereinafter General Aviation 
Safety Data].
    \8\ Hearing Before the Subcomm. on Aviation & Operations of the 
Senate Comm. on Commerce, Sci. & Transp., 114th Cong., (Apr. 28, 2015) 
(statement of Margaret Gilligan, Assoc. Admin. for Aviation Safety, 
FAA); see also John Zimmerman, General Aviation Safety Trends: What 
Should We Worry About?, Plane&Pilot Magazine (Dec. 13, 2021), available 
at https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/news/pilot-talk/2021/12/13/general-
aviation-safety-trends-what-should-we-worry-about/; see also General 
Aviation Safety Continues To Improve, Plane&Pilot Magazine, (Dec. 18, 
2019), available at https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/general-
aviation-safety-continue-improve/.
    \9\ General Aviation Safety Data, supra note 7.
    \10\ Id.
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    Despite these marked advancements, significant room for 
improvement remains. In 2021, the NTSB reported 1,157 general 
aviation accidents, 43 commuter and on-demand accidents, and 24 
commercial air carrier accidents.\11\ An accident rate of 2-3 
accidents per month for scheduled air carriers suggests there 
still exist potential safety risks that could result in 
injuries or fatalities if left unaddressed.\12\
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    \11\ Civil Aviation Statistics, supra note 4.
    \12\ See id.
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    Subsequently, the FAA and Congress, in partnership with 
industry, labor, and the travelling public, have fought to make 
air travel as safe as possible. Some efforts to improve 
aviation safety include the requirement for and implementation 
of Safety Management Systems (SMSs), the introduction of the 
FAA Compliance Program, and the Alaska Aviation Safety 
Initiative. In the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, Congress 
included more than 90 safety-focused provisions, underpinning 
the fact that safety in the aviation industry is a top priority 
in the United States.\13\ As the Committee begins to draft the 
next FAA reauthorization bill, Members will have the 
opportunity to examine and evaluate FAA safety programs, 
guidance, and procedures to determine what legislative changes 
the Committee should consider in the ongoing effort to improve 
safety and uphold our Nation's gold standard for aviation 
safety in a global industry.
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    \13\ FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, Pub. L. No. 115-254, 132 
Stat. 3186.
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``THE GOLD STANDARD'' OF SAFETY

    The previous conventional wisdom for regulating aviation 
safety was a reactionary posture that focused on addressing 
safety concerns in the wake of aviation accidents. More 
recently, the FAA has sought to be more proactive with certain 
aspects of safety oversight and regulation by participating in 
programs and initiatives which would ideally prevent future 
incidents and accidents. Examples of these proactive 
preventative efforts include the introduction of SMSs, the FAA 
Compliance Program, Aviation Safety Information Analysis and 
Sharing (ASIAS), and the establishment of initiatives focused 
on specific sectors of aviation like the Commercial Aviation 
Safety Team (CAST) and the General Aviation Joint Steering 
Committee (GAJSC). In aggregate, these safety efforts have 
fostered a more collaborative approach with aviation 
stakeholders, designed to improve communication and problem-
solving when addressing potential safety hazards.\14\
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    \14\ United States State Safety Program (SSP), FAA, available at 
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/about/initiatives/sms/
reference_library/AVS-210503-001-Supporting-
US_State_Safety_Program.pdf.
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SAFETY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (SMS)

    An SMS is a ``formal, top-down, organization wide-approach 
to managing safety risk and assuring the effectiveness of 
safety risk controls.'' \15\ In 2015, the FAA promulgated a 
rule requiring part 121 commercial aviation operators to 
develop and implement SMSs across their organizations and 
outlined the basic requirements for those systems.\16\ 
Subsequently, and partially in response to a Congressional 
directive in the Aircraft Certification Reform and 
Accountability Act (P.L. 116-260), the FAA issued a Notice of 
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) requiring SMSs for large aircraft 
manufacturers, part 135 air carriers, and certain general 
aviation air tour operators.\17\ Additionally, the FAA is in 
the process of issuing a final rule requiring certain airports 
to develop and maintain an SMS.\18\
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    \15\ Safety Management System (SMS), FAA, available at https://
www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/sms.
    \16\ Safety Management Systems for Domestic, Flag, and Supplemental 
Operations Certificate Holders, 80 Fed. Reg. 1,307 (Jan. 8, 2015) (to 
be codified at 14 C.F.R. 5 & 119).
    \17\ Safety Management Systems, 88 Fed. Reg. 1,932 (Jan. 11, 2023) 
(to be codified at 14 C.F.R., 14 C.F.R. 5, 21, 91,119, 121,135), 
available at https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2022-28583.
    \18\ Safety Management System for Certificated Airports, 86 Fed. 
Reg. 47,266 (Aug. 24, 2021) (to be codified at 14 C.F.R. 139), 
available at https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2021-17847.
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COMPLIANCE PROGRAM

    Users of the NAS are required to adhere to all applicable 
laws and regulations set forth by the Federal government, 
including applicable directives and orders issued by the FAA. 
As the aviation sector has evolved and become more complex 
however, the FAA has come to recognize that a purely punitive 
strategy can potentially hinder the reporting of serious 
problems.\19\ Therefore, to avoid and preempt serious safety 
risks, the FAA has incentivized the voluntary disclosure of 
mistakes, even inadvertent ones, by otherwise safe operators to 
improve aviation safety by stimulating self-improvement, 
information sharing, and expediting corrections.\20\ To advance 
this regulatory approach, the FAA established the Compliance 
Program, which emphasizes a culture of voluntary adherence to 
safety standards and self-reporting errors in order to receive 
fair consideration in return, and reserving legal enforcement 
actions for when absolutely necessary.\21\
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    \19\ Compliance Program, FAA, available at https://www.faa.gov/
about/initiatives/cp.
    \20\ Id.
    \21\ Id.
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AVIATION SAFETY INFORMATION ANALYSIS AND SHARING

    Because the United States has taken a systemwide approach 
to ensuring aviation safety, the FAA has prioritized the 
ability of all users of the NAS to share in collecting and 
disseminating pertinent safety information.\22\ To create a 
process for open and free information sharing, the FAA 
introduced the Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing 
(ASIAS) system.\23\ This program is a comprehensive database of 
safety data and analysis from government and industry sources, 
including data from voluntary sources.\24\ Many stakeholders 
from the general aviation industry, aircraft maintenance and 
repair stations, manufacturers and universities participate in 
ASIAS, and more than 99 percent of the voluntary information 
has been provided by United States air carriers.\25\ The FAA 
intends to integrate more stakeholders into ASIAS, such as the 
corporate/business communities, light general aviation 
community, and the helicopter industry, as the system continues 
to evolve.\26\
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    \22\ See Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing, FAA 
(Apr. 8, 2019), available at https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/aviation-
safety-information-analysis-and-sharing-program-1.
    \23\ Id.
    \24\ Id.
    \25\ Id.
    \26\ Id.
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COMMERCIAL AVIATION SAFETY TEAM AND GENERAL AVIATION JOINT STEERING 
                    COMMITTEE

    In 1998, the FAA launched an initiative known as ``Safer 
Skies,'' which was intended to reduce fatal accidents by 
2007.\27\ To achieve this goal, the FAA established the 
Commercial Aviation Safety Team (CAST) \28\ and the General 
Aviation Joint Steering Committee (GAJSC).\29\ The CAST is 
comprised of representatives from the FAA, NASA, and industry 
stakeholders, and works to reduce commercial aviation fatality 
risks through data collection and analysis. As part of this 
effort, the FAA and NASA have the goal of transitioning to a 
``prognostic safety analysis.'' \30\ As the aviation system's 
safety rates have greatly improved over the decades, CAST has 
moved beyond the ``historic approach of examining past accident 
data to a proactive approach that focuses on detecting risk and 
implementing strategies before accidents or serious incidents 
occur.'' \31\ The safety enhancements that were implemented as 
a result of the CAST contributed to reducing the fatality risk 
for commercial aviation in the United States by 83 percent 
between 1998 and 2008.\32\
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    \27\ U.S. Gov't Accountability Off., GAO/RCED-00-1, Aviation 
Safety: Safer Skies Initiative Has Taken Initial Steps To Reduce 
Accident Rates by 2007 (2000), available at https://www.gao.gov/assets/
rced-00-111.pdf.
    \28\ History, Commercial Aviation Safety Team (2022), available at 
https://www.cast-safety.org/apex/
f?p=102:1:8843473943394::NO::P1_X:history.
    \29\ General Aviation Safety, FAA (July 30, 2018), available at 
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/general-aviation-safety.
    \30\ Commercial Aviation Safety Team (2022), available at https://
www.cast-safety.org/apex/f?p=102:1 [hereinafter CAST].
    \31\ Commercial Aviation Safety Team, FAA (Sept. 3, 2021), 
available at https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/commercial-aviation-safety-
team.
    \32\ CAST, supra note 30.
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    The GAJSC ``works to improve general aviation safety 
through data-driven risk reduction efforts focused on 
education, training, and enabling new equipment in general 
aviation aircraft.'' \33\ The GAJSC, which is also comprised of 
representatives from government and industry, utilizes a 
consensus-based approach and safety data analysis to develop 
strategies for the reduction of fatal general aviation 
accidents.\34\
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    \33\ About Us, General Aviation J. Steering Comm. (2022), available 
at http://www.gajsc.org/about-us/.
    \34\ Id.
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ALASKA AVIATION SAFETY INITIATIVE

    Aviation in Alaska is a vital necessity given that 82 
percent of Alaskan communities are inaccessible by road.\35\ 
However, aviation operators in Alaska face unique challenges 
compared to operators in the contiguous states--due in large 
part to the state's challenging geography, unpredictable 
weather, and relative lack of aviation and air traffic control 
infrastructure. In 2021, the FAA initiated the Alaska Aviation 
Safety Initiative (FAASI).\36\ In consultation with Alaska 
aviation community stakeholders, the FAA developed 11 initial 
recommendations to address safety hazards specific to Alaska. 
These include enhancing weather reporting capabilities by 
installing Automated Weather Observing System (AWOS) at 
airports, promoting education and outreach regarding the 
benefits of Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast Out 
(ADS-B Out) equipage in certain airspace, and maximizing safety 
collaboration with operators in Alaska.\37\ Attention to 
Alaska's unique circumstances is not new however; previous 
similar efforts have fallen far short of initial expectations, 
necessitating Congressional oversight.\38\
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    \35\ Statewide Aviation, Alaska Dept. Of Transp. And Pub. 
Facilities, available at https://dot.alaska.gov/stwdav/.
    \36\ FAA, FY22 FAASI Progress Report (2022), available at https://
www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-09/FY22-FAASI-Progress-Report.pdf.
    \37\ FAA, 2022 FAASI Roadmap (2022), available at https://
www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-02/FAASI%20Roadmap.pdf.
    \38\ Colleen Mondor, The FAA's latest Alaska aviation safety report 
harkens back to a whole lot of history, The Midnight Sun, (Nov. 18, 
2021), available at https://midnightsunak.com/2021/11/18/mondor-the-
faas-latest-report-harkens-back-to-a-whole-lot-of-history.
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AIRCRAFT CERTIFICATION, MAINTENANCE, AND OPERATIONS

    The FAA issues type, production, and airworthiness 
certificates to aviation manufacturers in the United States and 
aviation products, in order to ensure the safety of the 
aircraft that are operated within the United States by United 
States entities.\39\ The FAA also issues operating 
certificates, pilot certificates, and other credentials to much 
of the industry's workforce in order to ensure an acceptable 
level of safety.\40\ A vast compilation of laws and regulations 
dictates the standards necessary for safe aircraft design, 
operation, and maintenance.
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    \39\ See Licenses & Certificates, FAA, available at https://
www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates (last updated Nov. 15, 2022).
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    In 2020, Congress passed, and the President signed, the 
Aircraft Certification, Safety, and Accountability Act (P.L. 
116-260), which made several reforms to the certification 
process of large passenger aircraft in response to the 2018 and 
2019 Boeing 737 MAX accidents.\41\ These reforms include 
requiring aircraft manufacturers to implement and develop an 
SMS, addressing how manufacturers present pilot training 
standards to their customers, and requiring manufacturers to 
better account for realistic pilot responses to non-normal 
conditions when designing aircraft, among other things.\42\
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    \41\ Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021, Pub. L. No. 116-260, 
134 Stat. 2309.
    \42\ Id.
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    The FAA also issued a final rule in 2016, which made 
changes to how it certifies small airplanes typically used for 
general aviation purposes.\43\ This rule was developed to 
foster innovation and reduce costs for small plane 
manufacturing, allowing for updates to aircraft design that 
improved safety.\44\ With this rule, the FAA transitioned from 
certain prescriptive-based standards to performance-based 
standards that were more flexible and encouraged 
innovation.\45\
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    \43\ Revision of Airworthiness Standards for Normal, Utility, 
Acrobatic, and Commuter Category Airplanes, 81 Fed. Reg. 96,572 (Dec. 
30, 2016) (to be codified at 14 C.F.R. 21, 23, 35, 43, 91, 121, 135), 
available at https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2016-30246.
    \44\ Press Release, FAA, New Certification Rules for Small 
Airplanes Becomes Effective (Sep. 5, 2017), available at https://
www.faa.gov/newsroom/new-certification-rule-small-airplanes-becomes-
effective.
    \45\ Id.
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ISSUES WITH FOREIGN VALIDATION OF U.S. AEROSPACE PRODUCTS

    In 2011, the United States and European Union entered into 
a bilateral aviation safety agreement (BASA).\46\ This 
bilateral agreement facilitated cooperation on airworthiness 
certification of civil aviation products imported and exported 
between the two regions. More specifically, it was intended to 
(1) promote reciprocal acceptance of safety findings and 
approvals and (2) leverage the resources and expertise of each 
certification system.\47\
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    \46\ Agreement Between the United States of America and the 
European Community on Cooperation in the Regulation of Civil Aviation 
Safety, U.S.-E.U., Dec. 6, 2013, available at https://www.faa.gov/
aircraft/air_cert/international/bilateral_agreements/baa_basa_listing/
media/EU-US-agreement-R0A5.pdf.
    \47\ ``The Aviation Safety Agreement Between the US and the EC'', 
FAA (Aug./Sept. 2011), available at https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/
repair/media/EASA_EU_roadshows.pdf [hereinafter Aviation Safety 
Slides].
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    In January 2021, the Director-General of the European Union 
Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), Mr. Peter Ky, appeared before 
the European Parliament's Committee on Transport and Tourism to 
discuss recertification of the Boeing 737 MAX.\48\ In his 
presentation, Mr. Ky stated, `` . . . we [EASA] will increase 
our level of involvement [and] our level of independent review 
of U.S. projects in order to build our own safety 
assessments.'' \49\ The US-EU BASA was developed and agreed to 
based upon the existence of certification systems that produce 
equivalent results (even though their processes and procedures 
may be different).\50\ Some Congressional leaders have 
expressed concerns that if EASA or other countries follow 
through on making certification and validation process changes 
that conflict with BASA's tenant of reciprocity, it would 
jeopardize the bilateral agreements and diminish the current 
trust and ability for the organizations to improve global 
aviation safety.\51\
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    \48\ Cathy Buyck, EASA To Strengthen Safety Reviews of U.S.-
certified Aircraft, AINOnline (Jan. 25, 2021), available at https://
www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2021-01-25/easa-
strengthen-safety-reviews-us-certified-aircraft.
    \49\ Id.
    \50\ Aviation Safety Slides, supra note 45.
    \51\ Letter from Ranking Member Sam Graves, House Comm. on Transp. 
& Infrastructure, Ranking Member Garret Graves, House Subcommittee on 
Aviation to Secretary Peter Buttigieg, U.S. Dept. of Transp. (Feb. 11, 
2021), available at https://transportation.house.gov/uploadedfiles/
2021-02-11_-_letter_to_buttigieg_re_easa.pdf.
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NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD

    The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is an 
independent Federal investigator of transportation accidents, 
including all aircraft incidents and accidents, and commercial 
space accidents.\52\ The NTSB makes safety recommendations to 
the Secretary of Transportation and others based on the 
findings of these investigations. While Federal agencies are 
required by law to respond to all NTSB recommendations, the 
NTSB does not have regulatory authority to require agencies to 
adopt these recommendations.\53\ Additionally, the NTSB 
oversees pilot certification appeals \54\ and fulfills the 
important role of providing assistance to victims of 
transportation accidents and their families.\55\
    The FAA and other stakeholders will often consider studies 
and recommendations of the NTSB to improve aviation safety. A 
recent example occurred when the FAA issued the proposed rule 
requiring commuter, charter, and air tour operators, as well as 
certain manufacturers to develop and maintain an SMS.\56\ This 
proposed rule was prompted in part by the NTSB issuing 
recommendations for aviation stakeholders to institute an 
SMS.\57\
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    \52\ 49 U.S.C. Sec.  1131.
    \53\ 49 U.S.C. Sec.  1135.
    \54\ 49 U.S.C. Sec.  1133.
    \55\ 49 U.S.C. Sec.  1136.
    \56\ Safety Management Systems, 88 Fed. Reg. 1,932 (Jan. 11, 2023) 
(to be codified at 14 C.F.R., 14 C.F.R. 5, 21, 91,119, 121,135), 
available at https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2022-28583.
    \57\ Id.
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    The NTSB has several outstanding safety recommendations 
which have not been resolved, such as a recommendation to the 
FAA to require cockpit voice recorders (CVR) with a minimum 25-
hour recording capacity to be installed on all newly 
manufactured aircraft.\58\ The NTSB noted in a 2018 report that 
34 of their investigations since 2002 would have benefitted 
from a 25-hour capacity CVR had it been installed.\59\ This 
number has increased to 40 as of January 18, 2023.\60\ 
Additionally, the NTSB has made a number of other 
recommendations to improve aviation safety, including the 
installation of cockpit image recorders in commercial aircraft 
\61\ and establishment of a structured flight data monitoring 
program for Part 135 charter operators.\62\
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    \58\ NTSB, Safety Recommendation A-18-030 (2018), available at 
https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-recs/recletters/A-18-030-031.pdf.
    \59\ NTSB, ASR-1804, Aviation Safety Recommendation Report--
Extended Duration of Cockpit Voice Recorders (2018), available at 
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/
ASR1804.pdf.
    \60\ E-mail from NTSB Gov't and Industry Affairs staff to Subcomm. 
on Aviation staff, (January 18, 2023, 10:52 a.m. EST) (on file with the 
Committee).
    \61\ NTSB, Safety Recommendation A-15-007 and A-15-008 (2014), 
available at https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-recs/recletters/A-15-
001-008.pdf.
    \62\ NTSB, Safety Recommendation A-16-035 (2016), available at 
https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-recs/recletters/A-16-034-042.pdf.
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                             III. WITNESSES

     LMr. Dave Boulter, Associate Administrator for 
Aviation Safety (Acting), FAA
     LThe Honorable Jennifer Homendy, Chair, NTSB
     LCapt. Jason Ambrosi, President, ALPA
     LMr. Pete Bunce, President and Chief Executive 
Officer, GAMA
     LMr. Ed Bolen, President and Chief Executive 
Officer, NBAA
     LMs. Kerry Buckley, PhD, Vice President, Center 
for Advanced Aviation System Development, MITRE Corporation

 
  FAA REAUTHORIZATION: ENHANCING AMERICA'S GOLD STANDARD IN AVIATION 
                                 SAFETY

                              ----------                              


                       TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2023

                  House of Representatives,
    Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure,
                                            Washington, DC.
    The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:02 a.m., in room 
2167 Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Sam Graves (Chairman 
of the committee) presiding.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. I call the hearing to order.
    I would ask unanimous consent that the chair be authorized 
to declare a recess at any time during today's hearing.
    And, without objection, it is so ordered.
    I now recognize myself for 5 minutes to give an opening 
statement.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. SAM GRAVES OF MISSOURI, CHAIRMAN, 
         COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Today, the committee obviously 
formally kicks off our work on the Federal Aviation 
Administration's reauthorization. A strong bipartisan 
reauthorization is my top legislative priority, and I look 
forward to working with Ranking Member Larsen to complete a 
bill on time.
    As a professional pilot and an active user of the system, I 
am extremely proud of our aviation system, including its safety 
record. In this committee, there continues to be a bipartisan 
commitment to safety and maintaining U.S. leadership and 
credibility as the gold standard for aviation safety.
    In 11 of the past 13 years, there have been no passenger 
fatalities on scheduled domestic passenger flights, despite the 
fact that passenger ridership has increased by 50 percent 
between 2002 and 2019, before the pandemic. General aviation is 
safer, with the number of fatal and nonfatal accidents trending 
downwards since 2000. Congress and the FAA, in partnership with 
industry and with labor and the traveling public, have fought 
to make air travel as safe as possible. And our safety record 
and safety culture are testaments to that.
    However, recently there have been some incidents that 
reemphasize why getting an FAA reauthorization done on time is 
so critical. On January 13, we had a runway incursion that 
occurred at JFK International Airport with two passenger planes 
nearly running into each other as one crossed an active runway. 
And just this past weekend, at Austin International Airport, a 
cargo plane was cleared to land on the same runway where a 
passenger aircraft was beginning its takeoff roll.
    It shows that even following the safest decade in our 
history, our aviation system is clearly in need of some urgent 
attention. As Mr. Boulter says in his testimony, ``complacency 
and stagnation are equal threats to a safety culture.'' The 
previous conventional wisdom for regulating safety always 
focused on addressing concerns after an aviation accident. Now, 
the FAA seeks to mitigate risks before accidents happen.
    In addition, the NTSB, National Transportation Safety 
Board, has several open safety recommendations that I think 
warrant review. The committee is going to be reviewing all such 
recommendations while reauthorizing the NTSB as part of this 
FAA reauthorization.
    In conclusion, I want to assure you all, particularly those 
of us who are here today who have lost loved ones to aviation 
accidents, we all share the common goal of enhancing the United 
States gold standard in aviation safety, and that safety 
remains our top priority.
    I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today on how 
we can further improve safety as we craft the bill this year.
    And I now recognize Ranking Member Larsen for his opening 
statement.
    [Mr. Graves of Missouri's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
Prepared Statement of Hon. Sam Graves of Missouri, Chairman, Committee 
                  on Transportation and Infrastructure
    Today, the Committee formally kicks off its work on the Federal 
Aviation Administration's (FAA) reauthorization. A strong bipartisan 
reauthorization is my top legislative priority, and I look forward to 
working with Ranking Member Larsen to complete a bill on time.
    As a professional pilot and active user of the system I am 
extremely proud of our aviation system, including its safety record. In 
this Committee, there continues to be a bipartisan commitment to safety 
and maintaining U.S. leadership and credibility as the gold standard 
for aviation safety.
    In 11 of the past 13 years, there have been no passenger fatalities 
on scheduled domestic passenger flights--despite passenger enplanements 
increasing by 50 percent between 2002 and 2019. General aviation is 
safer, with the number of fatal and nonfatal accidents trending 
downward since the year 2000. Congress and the FAA, in partnership with 
industry, labor, and the travelling public, have fought to make air 
travel as safe as possible. Our safety record and safety culture are 
testaments to that.
    However, recently there have been incidents that reemphasize why 
getting an FAA reauthorization done on time is critical. On January 
13th, a runway incursion occurred at JFK International Airport when two 
passenger planes nearly collided as one crossed an active runway. And 
just this past weekend, at Austin International Airport, a cargo plane 
was attempting to land on the same runway where a passenger plane was 
beginning to take off.
    It shows that even following the safest decade in our history, our 
aviation system is clearly in need of urgent attention. As Mr. Boulter 
says in his testimony, complacency and stagnation are equal threats to 
a safety culture. The previous conventional wisdom for regulating 
safety focused on addressing concerns after aviation accidents. Now, 
the FAA seeks to mitigate risks before accidents happen.
    In addition, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has 
several open safety recommendations that warrant review. The Committee 
will be reviewing all such recommendations while reauthorizing the NTSB 
as part of the FAA bill.
    In conclusion, I want to assure you all, particularly those with us 
here today who have lost loved ones to aviation accidents, that we all 
share the common goal of enhancing the United States' gold standard in 
aviation safety, and that safety remains our top priority. I look 
forward to hearing from today's witnesses on how we can further improve 
safety as we craft this year's bill.

 OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RICK LARSEN OF WASHINGTON, RANKING 
     MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you, and good morning. And 
thank you, Chairman Graves, for calling today's hearing on 
aviation safety to kick off our efforts to develop and pass the 
next Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill.
    In this hearing, we will evaluate different policies, 
programs, and technologies that have led to the U.S. becoming a 
global leader in aviation safety and what improvements still 
need to be made.
    According to the FAA, commercial aviation fatalities in the 
U.S. have decreased by 95 percent over the last 25 years. While 
this downward trend clearly demonstrates the great strides made 
in U.S. aviation safety and should be applauded, clearly more 
work needs to be done.
    For instance, just last month, the FAA's safety notice 
system, also known as Notice to Air Missions, or NOTAM system, 
failed when a contractor inadvertently deleted a file on a 
NOTAM database, leaving the FAA to ground flights nationwide. 
Though the outage was initially caused by human error, the 
system's lack of redundancies and outdated technology were what 
allowed it to happen in the first place.
    While the FAA is in the midst a multiyear NOTAM 
modernization effort, we do need to strengthen the IT 
infrastructure that supports the National Airspace System. That 
is why I, along with Chairman Graves, supported the recent 
passage of Representative Stauber and DeSaulnier's NOTAM 
Improvement Act, to create a task force to evaluate and 
recommend improvements in the NOTAM system.
    Aircraft certification has also been a priority of this 
committee for the last several years. In the wake of the tragic 
Boeing 737 MAX accidents and crashes, this committee conducted 
a nearly 2-year investigation into the design, development, and 
certification of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. The results led 
to Congress passing the Aircraft Certification, Safety, and 
Accountability Act in 2020, to restore the integrity of the 
FAA's aircraft certification process and make air travel safer.
    I look forward to hearing from FAA Acting Associate 
Administrator for Aviation Safety, Dave Boulter, on the status 
of these key reforms, the agency's progress, and any reasons 
for delay. Also of particular interest is how the new airspace 
entrants, such as advanced air mobility aircraft and drones, 
will integrate safely into the NAS. Manufacturers and operators 
need timely guidance and regulatory certainty from the FAA to 
plan for and meet the agency's new certification and operating 
requirements.
    And finally, aviation safety issues are not limited to just 
the FAA. It requires multiple industries and agencies to 
coordinate. For instance, just a year ago, the nationwide 
deployment of 5G wireless rightfully raised aviation safety 
concerns over potential interference with aircraft radio 
altimeters.
    Due to the actions of this committee, the FAA, and aviation 
stakeholders, the telecoms finally came to the table and 
coordinated with the FAA, the NTIA, and the FCC to develop a 
plan allowing for the deployment of 5G while maintaining 
aviation safety. A little later I will distribute the actual 
meanings of those acronyms, but to save time, I won't read them 
out loud here. In fact, the FAA is briefing this committee on 
its 5G efforts later today.
    The best way to address these and other critical aviation 
safety issues is through a bipartisan, long-term FAA 
reauthorization bill. The 2018 law was the first significant 
multiyear authorization since 2012, and the first 5-year 
authorization since 1982. According to the FAA, the signing of 
that long-term bill freed the agency from the uncertainty of 
more short-term extensions and authorized the reliable, 
predictable funding that the FAA needed to invest in critical 
priorities.
    I look forward to working with Chairman Graves and the 
members of this committee to ensure the FAA has the necessary 
funding and long-term certainty it needs. And I am glad to see 
the witnesses that we have today. I look forward to the 
testimony from all the witnesses.
    As this committee considers the upcoming FAA 
reauthorization, we remain committed to ensuring the highest 
level of aviation safety here in the U.S. to continue to be the 
global gold standard. So, thank you. I look forward to tackling 
these issues to ensure the safety of the flying public.
    [Mr. Larsen of Washington's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
 Prepared Statement of Hon. Rick Larsen of Washington, Ranking Member, 
             Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
    Good morning. Thank you, Chairman Graves, for calling today's 
hearing on Aviation Safety--to kick off our efforts to develop and pass 
the next Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reauthorization bill.
    In this hearing, we will evaluate the different policies, programs 
and technologies that have led to the U.S. becoming a global leader in 
aviation safety and what improvements still need to be made.
    According to the FAA, commercial aviation fatalities in the U.S. 
have decreased by 95 percent over the last 25 years.
    While this downward trend clearly demonstrates the great strides 
made in U.S. aviation safety and should be applauded, more work still 
needs to be done.
    For instance, just last month, the FAA's safety notice system, also 
known as the Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) system, failed when a 
contractor inadvertently deleted a file on a NOTAM database, leading 
the FAA to ground flights nationwide.
    Though the outage was initially caused by human error, the system's 
lack of redundancies and outdated technology were what allowed it to 
happen in the first place.
    While the FAA is in the midst of a multi-year NOTAM modernization 
effort, we must do more to strengthen the IT infrastructure that 
supports the national airspace system (NAS).
    That is why I, along with Chairman Graves, supported the recent 
House passage of Representative Stauber and DeSaulnier's NOTAM 
Improvement Act, to create a task force to evaluate and recommend 
improvements to the NOTAM system.
    Aircraft certification has also been a priority of this committee 
for the last several years.
    In the wake of the tragic Boeing 737 MAX accidents, this committee 
conducted a nearly two-year investigation into the design, development 
and certification of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft.
    The results led Congress to pass the Aircraft Certification, Safety 
and Accountability Act in 2020, to restore the integrity of the FAA's 
aircraft certification process and make air travel safer.
    I look forward to hearing from FAA Acting Associate Administrator 
for Aviation Safety, Dave Boulter, on the status of these key reforms, 
the agency's progress, and any reasons for delay.
    Also of particular interest, is how new airspace entrants, such as 
advanced air mobility (AAM) aircraft and drones, will integrate safely 
into the NAS.
    Manufacturers and operators need timely guidance and regulatory 
certainty from the FAA to plan for and meet the agency's new 
certification and operating requirements.
    Finally, aviation safety issues are not limited to just the FAA; it 
often requires multiple federal agencies and industries to coordinate.
    For instance, just one year ago, the nationwide deployment of 5G 
wireless rightfully raised aviation safety concerns over potential 
interference with aircraft radio altimeters.
    Due to the actions of this committee, FAA and aviation 
stakeholders, AT&T and Verizon finally came to the table and 
coordinated with the FAA, the National Telecommunications and 
Information Administration (NTIA) and the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) to develop a plan allowing for the safe deployment of 
5G while also maintaining aviation safety.
    In fact, the FAA is briefing this committee on its 5G efforts later 
today.
    The best way to address these and other critical aviation safety 
issues is through a bipartisan, long-term FAA reauthorization bill.
    The 2018 FAA reauthorization law was the first significant multi-
year reauthorization since 2012, and the first five-year 
reauthorization since 1982.
    According to the FAA, ``the signing of that long term bill, freed 
the agency from the uncertainty of more short-term extensions and 
authorized the reliable, predictable funding the FAA needed to invest 
in critical priorities.''
    I look forward to working with Chairman Graves and the members of 
this committee to ensure the FAA has the necessary funding and long-
term certainty it needs.
    Finally, I'm glad to see the range of witnesses we have today.
    We have the FAA and NTSB, who are responsible for ensuring safe 
aviation and commercial space operations, and representation from 
aviation labor, manufacturers, operators, and technical experts.
    I look forward to hearing your testimony.
    As this committee considers the upcoming FAA reauthorization, we 
remain committed to ensuring the highest level of aviation safety.
    Thank you and I look forward to tackling these issues to ensure the 
safety of the flying public.

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thanks, Rick.
    Due to the significance of today's kickoff hearing, I do 
want to recognize the ranking member and chairman of the 
subcommittee for opening statements, too.
    So, Representative Graves.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. GARRET GRAVES OF LOUISIANA, CHAIRMAN, 
                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON AVIATION

    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you for having this timely hearing on aviation safety.
    First of all, if you look back over the past decade, we 
just had the safest decade in aviation history where, let's be 
clear, the goal is zero deaths, but in the last 10 years, we 
have had three fatalities on scheduled passenger airlines as 
compared to the previous decade--about 140.
    Now you look at what is happening in the news today, 
whether it is incursions and close calls, you have seen the 
failure of the air traffic control system, you have seen 
problems with airports and airlines, information systems 
including staffing and reservation systems. We need to all be 
very concerned about what is going on because, let's keep in 
mind, what we have on the horizon is a fundamental change or 
transformation in our aviation system with the entrance of 
various new technologies into the National Airspace System. We 
have to make sure that we are thinking ahead, making sure that 
the regulatory structure, the organizational structure of the 
FAA is one that is able to facilitate safely, facilitate safely 
these new entrants into the market.
    On the general aviation side, we have continued to see 
progress as well with roughly over 100,000 flight-hours, I 
believe, over the last decade. Preliminary data shows that we 
have had 1.07 fatalities. If you look in previous decades, it 
is 1.35 and 1.49. So, we are certainly moving in the right 
direction in regard to commercial and general aviation safety.
    Let me say it again. Coming back to what we have seen in 
just recent months, we all need to be alarmed by what is 
happening. We need to ensure that we not just can continue this 
trend in aviation safety on the commercial and the GA side, but 
that we can also continue to be the country that facilitates 
new technology and entrants into the market in a way that does 
not hinder the entrepreneurs that are investing in new 
technologies.
    Right now, the alarm bells should be going off across the 
aviation industry. Our system is stretched and stressed to 
capacity. Demand is projected to go nowhere but up. 
Exacerbating that, we are well aware of the increased demand 
that we are going to see with pilots, with A&P, and other types 
of aviation jobs or workforce. And we need to make sure, again, 
that we are able to be proactive and meet the growing demands.
    Part of that demand is going to be driven by new entrants. 
In the next 10 years, aerospace will involve an ever increasing 
number of drones; the introduction of electric aircraft, 
including electric vertical takeoff and landing, eVTOL; the 
reintroduction of civil supersonic aircraft; and expanded use 
of commercial space transportation vehicles. I wish my buddy, 
Mr. Babin, were here to hear that.
    Our regulatory organizational structure must adapt if we 
are going to safely integrate new entrants into the market. 
Safety doesn't mean eliminating risk entirely. The old joke 
about the safest airplane is the one that doesn't fly still 
applies. Our role and the FAA's role is to manage risk and 
ensure safety, but also ensure that we can continue to reap the 
incredible benefits of aviation and flight.
    Our global leadership in aviation begins with global 
leadership in aviation safety. And the only way to maintain our 
gold standard is to continue to enhance it. I am going to say 
it again. The goal is zero.
    We have an opportunity to rise to the moment and address 
the root causes of these recent incidents and safely integrate 
new operators, all while ensuring that our safety culture is as 
robust as possible. The aviation system is telling us something 
is wrong, and we need to listen. The only way we can ensure 
safety is by being proactive in our upcoming FAA 
reauthorization bill and fixing issues before they become 
problems.
    I look forward to working with the committee members and 
our witnesses on provisions in the 2018 FAA reauthorization 
bill that, let's make note, is still not fully implemented, to 
ensure America continues to lead the world in innovation and 
aviation safety.
    Again, Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for the hearing, 
and I yield back.
    [Mr. Graves of Louisiana's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
   Prepared Statement of Hon. Garret Graves of Louisiana, Chairman, 
                        Subcommittee on Aviation
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for having this timely 
hearing on aviation safety.
    We just had the safest decade in aviation history. In the last 10 
years, we've had three fatalities on scheduled passenger airlines as 
compared to the previous decade--about 140. On the general aviation 
side, we've continued to see progress as well, with a preliminary 
average fatality rate of 1.07 death per 100,000 flight hours, down from 
1.35 and 1.49 in the last two decades, respectively. Now let's be 
clear--the goal is zero fatalities.
    Despite these improvements, alarm bells should be going off across 
the aviation industry. Just look at what's happening in the news today: 
runway incursions and close calls, failures in the air traffic control 
system, problems with airports and airlines' information systems 
(including staffing and reservation systems). Our system is stretched 
and stressed to capacity, and demand is projected to go nowhere but up. 
We're all well aware of the increased demand that we're going to see 
with pilots, mechanics, as well as other positions within the aviation 
workforce, and we need to make sure that we're able to be proactive 
about meeting growing demands because there are fundamental 
transformations on the horizon for the National airspace system.
    In the next 10 years, the aerospace industry will involve an ever-
increasing number of drones, the introduction of electric aircraft, 
including electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL), the 
reintroduction of civil supersonic aircraft, and the expanded use of 
commercial space transportation vehicles. We must build on our record 
of improving aviation safety while being the country that facilitates 
new technologies and entrants into the market in a way that does not 
hinder the entrepreneurs that are investing in these new technologies.
    Our regulatory organizational structure must adapt if we're going 
to safely integrate new entrants into the market. Safety doesn't mean 
eliminating risk entirely. The old joke about ``the safest airplane is 
the one that doesn't fly'' still applies. Our role, and the FAA's role, 
is to manage risk and ensure safety while reaping the incredible 
benefits of flight. Our global leadership in aviation begins with 
global leadership in aviation safety. And the only way to maintain our 
gold standard is to continue to enhance it. I'm going to say it again--
the goal is zero fatalities.
    We have an opportunity to rise to the moment and address the root 
causes of these recent incidents and safely integrate new operators, 
all while ensuring that our safety culture is as robust as possible. 
The aviation system is telling us something's wrong, and we need to 
listen. The only way we can ensure safety is by being proactive in our 
upcoming FAA reauthorization bill and fixing issues before they become 
problems.
    I look forward to working with the Committee members and our 
witnesses on provisions in the 2018 FAA reauthorization bill, which is 
still not fully implemented, to ensure America continues to lead the 
world in innovation and aviation safety. Again, Mr. Chairman, I want to 
thank you for the hearing, and I yield back.

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Mr. Cohen.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. STEVE COHEN OF TENNESSEE, RANKING 
                MEMBER, SUBCOMMITTEE ON AVIATION

    Mr. Cohen. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I thank you and the 
ranking member for holding this important hearing today. I am 
deeply honored to serve as the ranking member of this Aviation 
Subcommittee and working with Chairman Garret Graves to 
formulate our next FAA reauthorization bill.
    In 2018, the FAA reauthorization law was passed with 
Chairman Shuster. Congress included more than 90 safety-focused 
provisions, ranging from flight attendant fatigue to secondary 
flight deck barriers on passenger aircraft, to the integration 
of uncrewed aircraft systems into our National Airspace System. 
It also included another important provision, that I authored, 
to require the FAA to establish minimum dimensions for 
passenger seats on airplanes to protect the safety of the 
flying public.
    Shockingly, even though the FAA was congressionally 
mandated to act on this provision within 1 year, the FAA did 
not even begin cabin evacuation testing until late November and 
December of 2019, well after the 1-year deadline. And during 
its testing, they limited their study to able-bodied 
individuals between the ages of 18 and 60. This means lap 
children, seniors, people with disabilities, non-English 
speakers, larger individuals, and more were not included, far 
from a representative sample of people who are on an airplane 
and would need to evacuate.
    The FAA itself acknowledged that the test relied on able-
bodied adult subjects under the age of 60, and the result 
provided, quote, ``useful but not necessarily definitive 
information regarding the effects of seat dimensions on safe 
evacuations for all populations.'' It was flawed, and it was 
congressionally mandated to conduct a study, and it should have 
done an appropriate one.
    In August, the FAA finally initiated a public comment 
period to assist in its determination on whether minimum seat 
dimensions are necessary. The FAA received over 26,000 comments 
from the flying public, the majority of which articulated the 
miserably dreadful experiences these small seats provide. 
Probably the most miserable experience most Americans have in 
terms of comfort is when they are on an airplane.
    Mr. Garret Graves is right, it was the safest year yet. It 
was also the most uncomfortable decade.
    As we begin our work in our next reauthorization bill, it 
is imperative that this issue be reexamined. That is why 
Senator Duckworth and I will introduce our bill, the Emergency 
Vacating of Aircraft Cabin Act, a.k.a. the EVAC Act, the E-V-A-
C. This bill would ensure that the aircraft evacuation 
standards do a better job of taking real life conditions into 
account to ensure all passengers can safely evacuate in an 
emergency.
    Our bill is supported by a wide variety of stakeholders 
such as AARP, Captain Sully Sullenberger, the Association of 
Flight Attendants, the Allied Pilots Association, and more.
    This committee should also look at establishing a 
moratorium on further seat shrinkage on airplanes and requiring 
the FAA to reconduct its testing before it promulgates a rule 
that could lead to even smaller seats.
    I look forward to continuing to work on this issue with 
Senator Blumenthal.
    In addition to this important passenger safety issue, I 
look forward to working on some other safety issues: Improving 
conditions for passengers with disabilities, including for 
individuals who use powered wheelchairs; updating the Air 
Carriers Access Act to close the service gap in air travel for 
passengers with disabilities; establishing airplane temperature 
standards on flights for passengers and crewmembers alike. How 
many times have we been freezing on airplanes?
    Implementing a longstanding NTSB recommendation, Jim Hall 
decades ago made this proposal and still says how important it 
is--and it is--addressing deficiencies in commercial aviation 
black box requirements. They can be made to float and be 
recovered without having to go to the bottom of the oceans, as 
we have had to do in other situations.
    Ensuring outdoor concerts are protected by the same 
temporary flight restrictions as sporting events and preventing 
air rage incidents is giving the FAA the necessary tools to 
enforce relevant civil and criminal penalties.
    While aviation safety has continued to improve over the 
last decade, we shall remain vigilant and ensure we consider 
all our airspace users as we craft the next reauthorization 
bills. Yes, we only had three deaths in the United States, but 
we had lots of deaths in Southeast Asia that were caused by an 
American company that built airplanes that were probably 
responsible for those crashes and the loss of those lives.
    I look forward to hearing from our esteemed witnesses 
today, and I thank you all for being here. And look forward to 
the next bill. I yield back.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thank you, Mr. Cohen.
    I would ask unanimous consent that the witnesses' full 
statements be included in the record.
    And, without objection, that is so ordered.
    And since your written testimony is going to be made a part 
of the record, the committee asks that you try to limit 
yourself to 5 minutes.
    And, with that, our first witness is Mr. David Boulter, who 
is the Acting Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety at 
the FAA.
    Mr. Boulter.

 TESTIMONY OF DAVID H. BOULTER, ACTING ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR 
  FOR AVIATION SAFETY, FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION; HON. 
  JENNIFER L. HOMENDY, CHAIR, NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY 
    BOARD; CAPT. JASON AMBROSI, PRESIDENT, AIR LINE PILOTS 
ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL; PETER J. BUNCE, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
EXECUTIVE OFFICER, GENERAL AVIATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION; 
   ED BOLEN, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, NATIONAL 
 BUSINESS AVIATION ASSOCIATION; AND KERRY BUCKLEY, Ph.D., VICE 
  PRESIDENT, CENTER FOR ADVANCED AVIATION SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT, 
                       MITRE CORPORATION

 TESTIMONY OF DAVID H. BOULTER, ACTING ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR 
      FOR AVIATION SAFETY, FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION

    Mr. Boulter. Thank you, and good morning.
    Chair Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the 
committee, thank you for the opportunity to be here today. I am 
David Boulter. I am the Acting Associate Administrator for 
Aviation Safety at the Federal Aviation Administration, a role 
I have held for almost a year.
    During my career, I have been fortunate to serve in 
numerous aviation roles, both in industry and with commercial 
air carriers, and in Government. Over the past 25 years, my 
Government service includes positions in the FAA as an aviation 
safety inspector, a senior representative in Afghanistan, 
director of operations for multiple flight operations within 
the agency, and an executive for the FAA's flight program. My 
permanent position is the executive director of flight 
standards. I believe my breadth of real-world experience has 
given me a commonsense approach that focuses on safety and 
constantly moving forward. In my mind, complacency and 
stagnation are equal threats to safety.
    In December 2020, Congress passed the Aircraft 
Certification, Safety, and Accountability Act, with more than 
100 provisions for the FAA to implement. I thank the committee 
for its leadership in passing this important legislation, and 
we have completed more than half of its directives.
    The important work we have accomplished includes 
strengthening oversight of manufacturers that have delegated 
authority through the Organization Designation Authorization, 
ODA, program; instituting the Voluntary Safety Reporting 
program for FAA safety employees; and recently issuing a notice 
of proposed rulemaking that would require aircraft 
manufacturers, on-demand and for-hire--part 135--and air tour 
operators to implement a safety management system. We remain 
focused on implementation of this legislation and continue to 
make significant strides in fulfilling its requirements.
    I also want to thank the families of the victims of Lion 
Air flight 610, Ethiopian Airlines flight 302, and Continental 
flight 3407 for their tireless advocacy. The work on behalf of 
your loved ones has improved aviation safety for everyone.
    In recent months, the agency has made important headway in 
meeting additional mandated obligations aimed at improving 
safety and moved a number of rules forward. I am proud to say 
that in my 1-year tenure, we have published seven aviation 
safety rulemaking actions stemming from congressional 
direction.
    The commercial aviation system, as you have heard earlier, 
in the United States currently operates at an unprecedented 
level of safety, but we do not take that for granted. We 
achieved this safety record because we have made concerted 
effort to continually evolve how we approach safety oversight, 
both in detecting risks and responding to risks identified. The 
key to this approach is a commitment to sharing data through 
open and transparent safety culture to detect risk and address 
problems before accidents occur. We approach each day knowing 
we have big shoes to fill from the day before.
    Our mission is continuous improvement in safety, even as we 
see significant changes on the horizon to how people and 
packages might travel by air in our busiest cities and across 
the country. The FAA is rising to that occasion. We are taking 
steps to establish a regulatory framework that enables 
innovation and manages the identified risks commensurate with 
the desired operations. This ensures that all new entrants will 
benefit from 120 years of lessons learned since the Wright 
brothers made their first controlled flight.
    I would like to acknowledge my fellow panel members. I am 
encouraged that you have asked representatives from a wide 
range of aviation interests to speak today. As we all know, 
aviation safety is a team sport, and we all share the mutual 
goal of making the world's safest mode of transportation even 
safer. While we all have specific roles to play, we understand 
the solemn trust that the public has placed in all of us.
    Today, I want to briefly share some of the actions we are 
taking to fulfill our safety mission, which extends from 
general aviation to commercial and air carrier operations. 
Evolving our regulatory structure is necessary to enable new 
users of the airspace and to support innovation and new 
commercial operations with aircraft and technologies that are 
evolving at a pace not previously seen in our industry.
    Sustaining the agency's safety record will be dependent 
upon the ability to be agile in our regulations yet firm in our 
enforcement. And although we recognize the need to adapt new 
technologies, we must also manage risk and be deliberative when 
necessary. The FAA is using modern tools and philosophies to 
develop a regulatory environment that ensures aviation safety 
remains paramount. It is an exciting time in aviation, and we 
have a lot to look forward to. This also means there is no 
shortage of work ahead.
    Finally, we will continue to engage with the aviation 
community, our labor partners, and industry stakeholders on 
addressing the safety and sustainability challenges that face 
our industry. Our collaborative efforts with longstanding 
groups like the Commercial Aviation Safety Team, the General 
Aviation Joint Safety Committee, and the U.S. Helicopter Safety 
Team help us achieve our collective safety mission and continue 
to push the envelope in finding ways to enhance safety for all 
stakeholders.
    We look forward to continued support from the committee and 
subcommittee on maintaining the safest aviation system in the 
world during this time of rapid innovation.
    Thank you, sir.
    [Mr. Boulter's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
Prepared Statement of David H. Boulter, Acting Associate Administrator 
          for Aviation Safety, Federal Aviation Administration
    Chair Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the Committee, 
thank you for the opportunity to be here today. I am David Boulter, and 
I serve as the acting associate administrator for aviation safety at 
the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), a role I have held for 
almost a year. During my career, I have been fortunate to serve in 
numerous aviation roles both in industry with commercial air carriers 
and in government. Over the past 25 years, my government service 
includes positions in the FAA as an aviation safety inspector, director 
of operations for multiple legacy FAA flight programs, senior FAA 
representative in Afghanistan, and executive for the FAA's Flight 
Program. My permanent position is the executive director of flight 
standards. I believe the breadth of my real-world experience has given 
me a common-sense approach that focuses on safety--and on constantly 
moving forward. In my mind, complacency and stagnation are equal 
threats to a safety culture.
    In December 2020, Congress included the Aircraft Certification, 
Safety, and Accountability Act, with more than 100 provisions for the 
FAA to implement, in the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. I thank 
the Committee for its leadership in passing this important legislation, 
and we have completed more than half of its directives. I also want to 
emphasize the efforts of the families of the victims of the Lion Air 
Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. This legislation would 
not have been possible without your tireless advocacy on behalf of your 
loved ones. The important work we have accomplished includes 
strengthening oversight of manufacturers that have delegated authority 
through the Organization Designation Authorization (ODA) program, 
instituting the Voluntary Safety Reporting Program for FAA safety 
employees, and recently issuing a notice of proposed rulemaking that 
would require aircraft manufacturers, on-demand and for-hire operations 
(14 CFR Part 135), and air tour operators to implement a safety 
management system. We remain focused on implementation of this 
legislation and continue to make significant strides in fulfilling its 
requirements.
    In recent months, the agency has made important headway in meeting 
additional statutory obligations aimed at improving safety and has 
moved a number of those rulemaking projects forward. I am proud to say 
that in my one-year tenure, we have published seven aviation safety 
rulemaking actions stemming from congressional direction.
    At all times, the safety of the traveling public has been our top 
priority. The commercial aviation system in the United States currently 
operates at an unprecedented level of safety, but we do not take that 
for granted. We achieved this safety record because we have made a 
concerted effort to evolve in how we approach safety oversight--both in 
detecting risks and in responding to the risks identified. Key to this 
approach is a commitment to sharing data through an open and 
transparent safety culture to detect risks and address problems before 
accidents occur.
    Our mission is continuous improvement in safety--even as we see 
significant changes on the horizon to how people and packages might 
travel by air in our busiest cities and across the country. The FAA is 
rising to that occasion. We are taking steps to establish a regulatory 
framework that enables innovation and manages the identified risks 
commensurate with desired operations. This ensures that new entrant 
aircraft and operators--including those seeking to conduct advanced air 
mobility (AAM) operations--will benefit from 120 years of lessons 
learned since the Wright brothers made their first controlled flight.
    I would like to acknowledge my fellow panel members. I am 
encouraged that you asked representatives from a wide range of aviation 
interests to speak today. As we all know, aviation safety is a team 
effort, and we all share the mutual goal of making the world's safest 
mode of transportation even safer. While we all have specific roles to 
play, we understand the solemn trust that the public has placed in us.
    I think it is important to take a moment to recognize National 
Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Chair, Jennifer Homendy, and the 
important collaborative relationship between our two agencies. We work 
jointly on accident investigations, with the FAA providing support with 
real-time information, technical data, transportation to accident 
scenes, and aviation safety inspector/accident investigator support and 
cooperation. We also collaborate on safety priorities, to include FAA 
responses to NTSB safety recommendations. Since 2011, the FAA has 
annually closed more recommendations than it has received, and the 
number of open recommendations for FAA (222) is at its lowest point in 
more than two decades. The FAA takes the NTSB's role seriously and 
devotes a tremendous amount of time and attention to addressing their 
recommendations.
                           Safety Highlights
    Today, I want to briefly share some of the actions we are taking to 
fulfill our safety mission, which extends from general aviation to 
commercial and air carrier operations.
    Evolving our regulatory structure is necessary to enable new users 
of the airspace, and support innovation and new commercial operations 
with aircraft and technologies that are evolving at a pace not 
previously seen in our industry. Sustaining the agency's safety record 
will be dependent upon the ability to be agile in our regulations, yet 
firm in our enforcement. Although we recognize the need to adapt to new 
technologies and enable their use, we must also manage risk and be 
deliberative in our decisions. The FAA is using modern tools and 
philosophies and incorporating performance-based regulation where 
possible to develop a regulatory environment that ensures aviation 
safety remains paramount. We have several recent examples of rulemaking 
that demonstrate our continued commitment to improving safety and 
providing flexibility to users of the National Airspace System (NAS).
      In November, we issued two final rules. The first 
requires a commercial balloon pilot to hold a valid second-class 
medical certificate when flying for compensation or hire (other than 
flight instruction)--a standard that aligns with what every other 
commercial pilot must hold. The second final rule requires applicants 
to demonstrate the integrity of the airplane structure in the presence 
of pilot-commanded rudder pedal reversals. Adopting the new load 
condition will protect the airplane from excessive loads on the 
vertical stabilizer.
      In December, we published a proposed rule that would 
revise standards for the design of proposed transport category 
airplanes. These standards would reduce the likelihood of potentially 
catastrophic risks due to undetected failures. For example, the changes 
would improve the likelihood that an operator discovers a failure 
before it develops into an unsafe condition. This would allow the FAA 
to address, and require an applicant to address, the more integrated 
nature of modern transport airplane systems.
      Beginning last month, flight attendants are now 
guaranteed additional and uninterruptible rest that aligns with what 
pilots receive, ensuring a crew is not fatigued when they report for 
duty. In January we also extended the duration of aircraft registration 
certificates from three to seven years--a benefit to all aircraft 
owners and the FAA. Both of these final rules were prompted by the FAA 
Reauthorization Act of 2018.

    While these past few months have been busy, we have fully staffed 
additional rulemaking projects and expect great progress in 2023. The 
resulting rules will have important implications for certain aircraft, 
operations, and pilots as we look to enhance the safety of existing 
operations, continue to normalize certain aspects of operations with 
unmanned aircraft, and integrate new entrant aircraft into our national 
airspace.
      We issued a proposed rule for secondary flight deck 
barriers on certain airplanes used in commercial service last fall, 
took public comment, and are working to address comments and finalize 
the rule. This rule would protect the flightdeck from unauthorized 
intrusion when the flightdeck door is open.
      We have a project that will propose to modernize special 
airworthiness certification of piloted aircraft as well as a project 
that would define a regulatory process for determining airworthiness 
for certain unmanned aircraft. We are also developing rules to enable 
unmanned aircraft to be flown beyond visual line of sight.
      Finally, we have a special federal aviation regulation on 
powered-lift--or SFAR--for the integration of certain AAM aircraft into 
the NAS. This rule would enable a path forward for qualifying pilots as 
well as determining which operating rules apply to powered-lift. This 
proposal is a critical step for the United States to usher in the next 
era of aviation.
                        Other Safety Initiatives
    Our work to improve aviation safety does not stop at our borders. 
As Congress has directed in section 243 of the FAA Reauthorization Act 
of 2018, we continue our efforts as a global leader in aviation, and 
much of the globe is watching in anticipation of our plans for 
integrating new entrant aircraft into the NAS and the desired 
operations envisioned by manufacturers and future operators. The 
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Personnel Training and 
Licensing Panel is tackling pilot qualification for AAM aircraft and 
the U.S. has been leading this activity. At the ICAO Assembly this past 
September, the FAA proposed that ICAO establish an advisory group that 
would connect all aspects of the AAM ecosystem as the world works to 
enable this industry. The proposal was well-received and work has begun 
to stand up a study group. We look forward to supporting that effort.
    In addition to our important work on rules and the development of 
international consensus standards, we would be remiss to not mention 
how we support the aviation industry through the issuance of guidance 
and information to support rule implementation and operations by all 
airspace users. The FAA published one of the highly anticipated 
advisory circulars on flightpath management in November. This document 
provides both guidance and recommended practices for operators to 
implement operational procedures and training for managing the 
airplane's flight path, which includes manual flight operations and 
managing automated systems. Addressing pilot overreliance on automation 
through this guidance remains safety-critical. The foundation of its 
content originated from recommendations from our Air Carrier Training 
Aviation Rulemaking Committee and is a wonderful example of how 
industry and government can come together to address a challenge and 
achieve a common goal--enhancing safety.
    In October, we published a revision to our guidance that supports 
recreational operations of unmanned aircraft and aligns with the 
statutory permissions afforded to those flyers by the FAA 
Reauthorization Act of 2018.
    Another huge accomplishment was the consolidation and updating of 
six-related advisory circulars into a single Aviation Weather Handbook 
that was published in November. This technical reference streamlines 
pilot access to all of the FAA's weather documentation and is designed 
to support everyone who operates in the NAS--from recreational pilots 
to commercial pilots and dispatchers. Having current technical 
information about weather is a critical component to safe flying and 
pilot decision making and it is important that the FAA continue to 
support airspace users with handbooks like this.
                             Moving Forward
    It is an exciting time in aviation, and we have a lot to look 
forward to--this also means there is no shortage of work ahead of us. I 
am extremely proud of the work our staff is doing to address the 
breadth of aviation safety work we have in front of us. With 
innovation, it is important we continue to develop and train our 
workforce so we can continue to meet the regulatory needs of this 
industry and our safety mission. We are executing workforce strategies 
to do this while also onboarding diverse talent with the right 
expertise to strengthen our workforce. The development and expansion of 
the professional aviation workforce in general is also critical to our 
industry, and we are proud to promote exciting careers like being an 
aviation mechanic or a pilot through Aviation Workforce Development 
grants.
    Finally, we will continue to engage with the aviation community, 
our labor partners, and industry stakeholders, on addressing the safety 
and sustainability challenges that face our industry through our 
established committees and outreach events. Our collaborative efforts 
with long-standing groups like the Commercial Aviation Safety Team 
(CAST), the General Aviation Joint Safety Committee (GAJSC), and the 
U.S. Helicopter Safety Team (USHST), help us achieve our collective 
safety mission and continue to push the envelope in finding ways to 
enhance safety for all stakeholders. Through the more recent 
establishment of the Eliminate Aviation Gasoline Lead Emissions (EAGLE) 
team a year ago, we partnered with aviation stakeholders to find a safe 
and practical path to eliminate the use of leaded aviation fuel by no 
later than 2030 without adversely affecting the existing piston-engine 
fleet.
    Thank you for this opportunity to share information on some of our 
most important work. We look forward to continued support from the 
committee and subcommittee on maintaining the safest aviation system in 
the world during this time of rapid innovation.

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Next, we have the Honorable 
Jennifer Homendy, who is Chair of the National Transportation 
Safety Board.
    Thanks for being here.

    TESTIMONY OF HON. JENNIFER L. HOMENDY, CHAIR, NATIONAL 
                  TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD

    Ms. Homendy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, 
Ranking Member Larsen and members of the committee. Thank you 
for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the 
NTSB's priorities with respect to aviation safety.
    This weekend will mark the 14th anniversary of the crash of 
Colgan Air 3407. And I want to recognize the families who have 
worked so hard to champion safety to avoid more tragedies.
    As you know, the NTSB investigates every civil aviation 
accident in the United States, participates in over 400 foreign 
investigations each year, and maintains all civil aviation 
accident data. In the 14 years since Colgan, there have been 
only 2 other years in which there was a passenger fatality as a 
result of an accident involving a U.S. air carrier. In that 
time, the number of deaths in the U.S. due to all aviation 
accidents have decreased by roughly one-third. This is an 
incredible safety record. And it is a testament to the efforts 
of this committee, Congress, the FAA, industry, labor, and 
families to take the lessons learned from our independent 
investigations to advocate for and make changes to improve 
safety.
    Yet tragedies still occur. We still investigate over 1,000 
accidents every year. And we also see incidents like the near 
collision in Austin this past weekend, which could have been 
catastrophic.
    It is important the FAA reauthorization consider these 
challenges and how to meet them safely in general aviation, 
charter, commuter, and air medical operations, and for large 
passenger and cargo air carriers. My written statement details 
several areas where safety improvements are needed, but I want 
to briefly highlight a couple of priorities.
    First is the safety of commercial aviation operations 
governed under part 91, which carry paying passengers but are 
not subject to the same or similar standards as other 
commercial operations. This includes some air tour and 
sightseeing flights, parachute jump flights, and living history 
flights. We have investigated fatal accidents in these 
operations from Vermont to Hawaii, in Texas, New York, 
California, and Connecticut, impacting some of your States and 
your constituents.
    We are reviewing the FAA's recent actions to require safety 
management systems for part 135 operations and part 91 air 
tours. Their proposed rulemaking is a major step forward, but 
we remain concerned that other commercial operations aren't 
included, meaning not all paying members of the public on these 
types of flights will be protected. We should take this 
opportunity to strengthen safety for all passengers.
    Second, I want to thank the committee, and particularly 
Congressman Stauber and Congressman DeSaulnier, for your 
leadership in addressing problems with NOTAMs. This includes 
those identified in the 2017 incident where an Air Canada 
flight almost landed on four other planes on a taxiway in San 
Francisco. Another issue in that incident was the cockpit voice 
recorder was overwritten before it could be removed.
    We continue to have investigations, such as the incident 
last month at JFK and now Austin where the data isn't available 
to our investigators due to the current time limitation. We 
have recommended that the FAA require new and existing aircraft 
have 25-hour recorders that is consistent with standards of our 
European counterparts and adopted by ICAO, rather than the 
current 2-hour recording that is the standard in the United 
States. The ability to have accident data from cockpit audio, 
as well as image recorders, is critical for making sure that 
we, operators and flightcrew members, know why accidents and 
incidents occur and how to prevent them.
    Finally, emerging technologies already here and on the 
horizon. Commercial space, uncrewed aircraft, new and different 
power sources like batteries, and different kinds of fuels, 
bring new complex challenges that we must be prepared for. The 
NTSB will stand ready as always to investigate accidents and 
make recommendations to improve safety. I trust that as the 
committee works on FAA reauthorization, that you will consider 
these issues and that you will also consider the resources 
necessary to support the independent investigations of the NTSB 
and the mission we are able to carry out.
    To that end, we look forward to also working with you on 
NTSB reauthorization. The purpose of the mandate you have given 
us to conduct independent investigations is to improve safety. 
Investments made in the NTSB are investments in maintaining 
America's gold standard for safety.
    Thank you.
    [Ms. Homendy's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
    Prepared Statement of Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National 
                      Transportation Safety Board
    Good morning, Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members 
of the Committee. Thank you for inviting the National Transportation 
Safety Board (NTSB) to testify before you today regarding America's 
place as the global leader in aviation safety.
    As you know, the NTSB is an independent federal agency charged by 
Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United 
States and significant events in other modes of transportation--
highway, rail, marine, pipeline, and commercial space. We determine the 
probable cause of the events we investigate and issue safety 
recommendations aimed at preventing future occurrences. In addition, we 
conduct transportation safety research and special investigations, and 
coordinate the resources of the federal government and other 
organizations to assist victims and their family members who have been 
impacted by major transportation disasters. We also serve as the 
appellate authority for enforcement actions involving aviation and 
mariner certificates issued by the Federal Aviation Administration 
(FAA) and the United States Coast Guard, and adjudicate appeals of 
civil penalty actions taken by the FAA.
    The NTSB does not have authority to promulgate operating standards, 
nor do we certificate organizations, individuals, or equipment. 
Instead, we advance safety through our investigations and 
recommendations, which are issued to any entity that can improve 
safety. Our goal is to identify issues and advocate for safety 
improvements that, if implemented, would prevent injuries and save 
lives.
    Over the last several decades, the critical efforts of operators, 
manufacturers, labor unions, private aircraft owners and pilots, the 
FAA, Congress, and the NTSB have led to significant advances in 
technology and important legislative and regulatory changes that have 
contributed to the current level of aviation safety. These efforts, 
many of which have been in response to the lessons learned from NTSB 
investigations, should serve as an example for industry, labor, 
regulators, and policymakers in other modes of transportation regarding 
the need for a collaborative approach to safety. However, we cannot 
become complacent.
    In my testimony today, I want to acknowledge the record of aviation 
safety over the last decade-plus, discuss the role of the NTSB in 
improving safety, and address the further work that needs to be done to 
implement some of the over 300 aviation NTSB safety recommendations 
that are currently open.\1\ Specifically, I want to highlight more work 
that needs to be done to:
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      improve the safety of general aviation and passenger-
carrying operations,
      improve the availability of recorder data to operators 
and investigators,
      improve turbulence avoidance and mitigation of injuries 
due to turbulence,
      reduce fatigue-related accidents, and
      learn from incidents that show the potential for 
catastrophic accidents.

    I also want to discuss emerging aviation technologies that may pose 
safety challenges.
    Finally, I would be remiss if I did not take this opportunity 
today, as we talk about aviation's incredible safety record, to mention 
the opposite direction we are going in for road safety, which affects 
the hundreds of thousands of employees in the aviation industry who 
travel to and from work every day at airports, airline facilities, 
manufacturing centers, federal buildings, trade association offices, 
and other places of work.
                        A Record Level of Safety
    Since 2010, the US aviation system has experienced a record level 
of safety, as the number of deaths associated with US civil aviation 
accidents decreased from 541 in 2009 to 376 in 2021, a decrease of 
roughly one-third.\2\ Approximately 91 percent of aviation fatalities 
in 2021 occurred in general aviation accidents, with the remainder (27 
total) in Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 135 commuter 
and on-demand operations, which include charters, air taxis, air tours, 
and air medical services flights (when a patient or medical personnel 
are on board). A preliminary review of data for 2022 shows that 18 
people were killed in accidents involving Part 135 operations last 
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    Ten of those fatalities were the result of one accident--the 
September 4, 2022, crash of a De Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter into 
Mutiny Bay, near Freeland, Washington. The scheduled flight was 
operated by Northwest Seaplanes, which was doing business as Friday 
Harbor Seaplanes.
    Working with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 
(NOAA) and the University of Washington's Applied Physics Laboratory, 
the wreckage was located underwater at a depth of approximately 190 
feet. The wreckage recovery operation was completed by the US Navy's 
Supervisor of Salvage and Diving on September 30, 2022, with about 85 
percent of the airplane recovered from the seafloor. The operator's 
insurance did not cover the cost of the recovery, and, because 
examination of the wreckage was critical to our investigation, we paid 
$1.7 million for the operation from our regular appropriations.
    Examination of the wreckage indicated that a part of the airplane's 
pitch trim control system had separated into two pieces after becoming 
unscrewed. A lock ring, which was designed to prevent this from 
happening, was not recovered, and there was no evidence that the pieces 
separated due to the force caused by the accident. Our investigation is 
ongoing and, at this time, we do not know if the lock ring was present 
before the airplane impacted the water or why it was missing during the 
airplane examination. However, our findings raised concerns that a 
missing or an improperly installed lock ring on other DHC-3 airplanes 
could result in a catastrophic loss of control. As a result, we issued 
urgent safety recommendations to the FAA and Transport Canada to 
require all DHC-3 operators to immediately inspect the lock ring and 
report their findings.\3\ By taking such action, this identified safety 
issue could be addressed without having to wait for the investigation 
to be completed.
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    I want to acknowledge and thank the FAA for taking quick action and 
issuing an emergency airworthiness directive on November 2, 2022--
within a week of the recommendation being issued--requiring operators 
to inspect their aircraft lock rings.
    I highlight this accident because it is an example of how the 
investigative process works to compel prompt action for safety 
improvements. The use of a party system, in which we designate the 
regulators, operators, and manufacturers who have information relevant 
to the investigation to provide technical expertise during the fact-
finding phase of the investigation, has been our practice for decades 
because it is the most effective way to investigate major 
transportation accidents. The party system also ensures that the 
appropriate regulatory agencies and the parties whose products or 
services were involved in the accident or incident will have access to 
factual information so that they can initiate any necessary safety 
actions without delay.
    Our investigation of the Mutiny Bay crash also shows the importance 
of working with foreign investigative authorities and organizations. In 
this case, once the safety concern was identified, the aircraft 
manufacturer, Viking Air Limited, a technical adviser to the 
Transportation Safety Board of Canada, published a service letter 
recommending that all DHC-3 operators confirm that the lock ring is 
present and correctly engaged on their aircraft.
                   NTSB's Role in Maintaining Safety
    The purpose of our aviation investigations is to find safety issues 
and identify trends that must be addressed to improve aviation safety, 
as well as to provide information to the flying community about lessons 
learned. Investments made in the NTSB to hire investigators and 
researchers, train them on emerging technologies, and provide them the 
technology needed to keep pace with advances in the industry, as well 
as to strengthen our cybersecurity efforts and data analytics 
capabilities, are investments that help maintain the nation's role in 
the world as the standard bearer for safety.
    Our Office of Aviation Safety currently consists of 115 employees, 
83 of whom are accident investigators. The office handles over 1,300 
accidents and incidents annually. These include investigations of 
aviation, uncrewed aircraft systems, advanced air mobility, and 
experimental aircraft accidents and incidents, as well as certain 
commercial space mishaps. We also participate in about 450 
investigations annually of airline accidents and incidents in foreign 
countries that involve US carriers, US-manufactured or -designed 
equipment, or US-registered aircraft, such as the recent accidents in 
Indonesia and Ethiopia involving Boeing 737 MAX aircraft.
    Our current authorization expired at the end of the last fiscal 
year (FY). As you know, we transmitted a reauthorization proposal to 
the previous Congress, requesting resources and hiring flexibilities to 
increase the number of investigators throughout the agency.\4\ I 
testified on our goals to right-size our agency. I am happy to report 
that, since last April, we have already made great progress toward our 
goals to ensure that our employees have the right skill set, staffing 
up to our highest level since 2017 to 414 people on October 1, 2022. In 
FY 2022, we hired 57 people, the highest number in 10 years. Our 
reauthorization proposal anticipates adding roughly 15 new employees 
per year through 2027, in addition to filling the vacancies that will 
occur through retirements and separations.
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    In addition, since the start of 2022, we have significantly reduced 
the backlog of investigations open for more than 2 years by filling 
open investigative and technical review positions, reassigning 
investigations that could be expedited, using reemployed annuitants to 
broaden the pool of report reviewers in the short-term, enhancing 
employee performance standards, and developing quality metrics and a 
means to track them for all investigations.
    We will transmit an updated reauthorization proposal to Congress in 
the coming weeks, and I look forward to working with you on legislation 
that will allow us to hire professionals with the needed skills, 
purchase the equipment necessary for those skilled professionals to do 
their jobs, and invest in staff training and development. Our workforce 
is our greatest asset and is essential to our mission to make 
transportation safer and to maintain our status as a leader in safety--
here and internationally.
  Safety in General Aviation and Revenue Passenger-Carrying Operations
    The vast majority of our investigations involve general aviation 
accidents. Lessons learned from those investigations have contributed 
to the improved safety of general aviation over the years. In fact, 
since 2010, 96 percent of all NTSB investigations were in the aviation 
mode, and of those, 94 percent were in general aviation, meaning that 
general aviation investigations account for roughly 90 percent of our 
total investigations. Since 2001, the rate of fatal accidents in 
general aviation operations has largely trended downward. In 2001, the 
fatal accident rate per 100,000 flight hours was 1.274, and although it 
has been as high as 1.381 (in 2005) and as low as .935 (in 2017) over 
the last 20 years, in 2021, the rate was .951.\5\
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    Although general aviation safety has improved in the last decade, 
we do see areas where additional effort is needed. Our general aviation 
accident investigations have exposed safety issues and identified 
trends that resulted in safety recommendations.\6\ Most general 
aviation operations under 14 CFR Part 91 are for noncommercial personal 
or business use, while most commercial operators are regulated under 
Part 135 or Part 121. However, the NTSB is particularly concerned about 
the safety of various revenue passenger-carrying operations that are 
conducted under Part 91, including the following:
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    \6\ In 2022, we issued 10 recommendations as a result of general 
aviation accident investigations. These recommendations concern carbon 
monoxide sensors, hazardous icing conditions in Alaska, and technical 
issues with particular models of aircraft.
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      certain nonstop commercial air tour flights,
      sightseeing flights conducted in helicopters and hot air 
balloons,
      nonstop intentional parachute jump flights,
      living history flight experience sightseeing flights,
      glider sightseeing flights,
      air combat/extreme aerobatic experience flights, and
      tour flights conducted under the premise of student 
instruction or training flights.

    In March 2021, we adopted a report to address the safety of these 
operations.\7\ We also included this issue on our Most Wanted List of 
Transportation Safety Improvements for 2021-2023.\8\
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    \7\ National Transportation Safety Board. Enhance Safety of Revenue 
Passenger-Carrying Operations Conducted Under Title 14 Code of Federal 
Regulations Part 91. Rpt. No. AAR 21/03 (Washington, DC: NTSB 2021).
    \8\ 2021-2023 Most Wanted List.
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    These operations, which carry thousands of paying passengers each 
year, are not held to the same maintenance, airworthiness, and 
operational standards as air carrier, commuter, and on-demand 
operations. Members of the public who pay to participate in such 
operations are likely unaware that these operations have less stringent 
safety requirements than other commercial aviation operations.
    As I wrote to you last summer, we issued recommendations to the FAA 
to apply greater safety requirements and more comprehensive oversight 
to revenue passenger-carrying operations.\9\ As detailed in that 
letter, these recommendations address four categories of identified 
deficiencies (which do not apply to personal or business use of general 
aviation aircraft where no charge is made):
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    \9\ NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy. Letter for the record regarding 
the July 13, 2022, House Transportation and Infrastructure hearing, 
``The State of General Aviation.''
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      The need for an appropriate framework for Part 91 revenue 
passenger-carrying operations. The operating rules for Part 91 general 
aviation, which include revenue passenger-carrying operations, do not 
require operating certificates, operations specifications, FAA-accepted 
general operations manuals, FAA-approved training programs, or FAA-
approved maintenance programs, all of which are required for Part 135 
operations and address commuter and on-demand operations, such as most 
commercial air tours. Because Part 91 revenue passenger-carrying 
operators are not required to have initial and recurrent pilot training 
programs, the operators have no formal method to determine if pilots 
are adequately prepared for the responsibilities associated with the 
company's operations.
         The NTSB's review demonstrated that the FAA should be 
implementing one level of safety for all commercial air tour operators, 
especially given the longstanding safety concerns in this area. In 
addition, to address other Part 91 revenue passenger-carrying 
operations, the NTSB recommended that the FAA develop national safety 
standards, or equivalent regulations, for revenue passenger-carrying 
operations that are currently conducted under Part 91. These standards, 
or equivalent regulations, should include, at a minimum for each 
operation type, requirements for initial and recurrent training and 
maintenance and management policies and procedures.

      The need to address regulatory loopholes and omissions. 
The FAA created certain exceptions to Part 91 rules that allow some 
operations to be conducted outside of the scope of regulatory and 
oversight requirements that apply to operations conducted under an 
operating certificate. However, some Part 91 revenue passenger-carrying 
operators have exploited specific exceptions in federal regulations by 
carrying revenue passengers for purposes other than the exceptions 
intended, allowing them to avoid more stringent regulatory 
requirements. For example, two of the accident flights we reviewed were 
inappropriately operating under the student instruction exemption, even 
with the knowledge of the local FAA office.
         The NTSB recognizes that other regulatory loopholes and 
omissions might also exist; therefore, we recommend that the FAA 
identify shortcomings in 14 CFR 119.1(e) that would allow revenue 
passenger-carrying operators to avoid stricter regulations and 
oversight and to address these loopholes as part of a new framework for 
Part 91 operations.

      The need for increased federal aviation oversight. Part 
91 revenue passenger-carrying operators are not subject to the same 
level of FAA oversight and surveillance as Part 135 operators. The NTSB 
concludes that the FAA's oversight and surveillance of Part 91 revenue 
passenger-carrying operations do not ensure that these operators are 
properly maintaining their aircraft and safely conducting operations. 
The FAA needs to provide its inspectors with sufficient guidance to 
pursue more comprehensive oversight of Part 91 revenue passenger-
carrying operators. Such guidance and oversight could help ensure that 
these operators are properly maintaining their aircraft and safely 
conducting operations.

      The need for safety management systems. Operators need to 
establish a safety management system (SMS), which is an effective way 
to manage and mitigate risks in aviation operations. The FAA has 
described SMSs as a ``formal, top down business-like approach to 
managing safety risk.'' The four components of an SMS are safety 
policy, safety risk management, safety assurance, and safety promotion. 
Only Part 121 air carriers (generally larger airlines and regional 
carriers, as well as cargo carriers) are currently required to 
incorporate an SMS into their operations; the FAA has only encouraged 
all other operators to voluntarily implement an SMS.

    Part 91 revenue passenger-carrying and Part 135 operators would 
benefit from an SMS to ensure that operational risks are sufficiently 
mitigated. In addition, it is critical that the FAA oversee these 
operators' SMSs to ensure that mitigations are in place to address 
potential safety hazards.
    On January 10, 2023, the FAA issued a notice of proposed rulemaking 
to update and expand the requirements for SMSs and to require Part 135 
operators and certain Part 91 revenue passenger-carrying operators to 
develop and implement an SMS. We are continuing to review the proposed 
rule and its relation to our safety recommendations, but we welcome the 
FAA's action on this issue. FAA oversight is critical to ensuring 
operators adhere to the principles and processes of an effective SMS. 
The NTSB has investigated many accidents involving operators whose 
deficient SMS failed to identify and mitigate the conditions that 
contributed to the accident. For example, the NTSB's investigation of 
the January 26, 2020, helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, 
revealed that although Island Express, the Part 135 operator, had 
implemented an SMS, its lack of a documented policy and safety 
assurance evaluations hindered its effectiveness of its SMS. We 
recommended that Island Express participate in the FAA's voluntary SMS 
program. Island Express responded that it was not going to implement 
our recommendation.\10\
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    \10\ See Island Express Helicopters Inc. responses to Safety 
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Install Crash-Resistant Recorders and Establish Flight Data Monitoring 
                                Programs
    Another issue on our Most Wanted List of Transportation Safety 
Improvements calls on the FAA to mandate crash-resistant recorders in 
all revenue passenger-carrying operations and to require flight data 
monitoring and analysis programs. However, operators should not wait 
for mandates to do so; they can realize the safety benefits of these 
technologies now.
    In aviation, data, audio, and video recorders capture and store 
critical information that can help investigators determine the cause of 
accidents while helping companies and operators take immediate steps to 
prevent accidents. However, many passenger-carrying commercial 
aircraft, such as charter planes and air tours (under Part 135 and Part 
91), are still not equipped with these critical technologies, even 
though recorders are readily available, easily installed, and largely 
affordable. The availability of recorded data will also be critical for 
the operation of advanced air mobility aircraft, some of which will 
likely operate under Part 135 and are not currently required to have 
recorders.
    Recorders not only help determine the cause of an accident, they 
also help companies and operators establish effective safety management 
strategies. These operators should have flight data monitoring programs 
in place that analyze recorder data and use that information to adjust 
procedures and enhance crew training to prevent accidents from 
happening in the first place. Although some operators have 
implemented--or are in the process of implementing--recorder programs 
and systems, we are concerned that many will not do so without the 
FAA's action.
    In addition to the need for all revenue passenger-carrying aircraft 
to be equipped with recorders, we have also been concerned about 
current FAA requirements for cockpit voice recorders (CVRs). Current 
FAA regulations require 2-hour CVR recording capability and provide 
guidance to the flight crew on how to safeguard CVR data after an 
accident or incident. Despite this, valuable CVR data continues to be 
overwritten and therefore unavailable for safety investigations, as 
happened in the 2017 incident in which an Air Canada flight overflew 
four other air carriers on the taxiway in San Francisco, as well as in 
the recent runway incursion incident involving two Part 121 operators 
at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Our ongoing 
experience with overwritten CVR recordings demonstrates the limitations 
of the current 2-hour recording requirement, particularly in cases 
where relevant data were overwritten due to the following:
      a delay in reporting a safety event that was not 
immediately recognized to be of a serious nature until further data 
review,
      a failure to immediately deactivate the CVR following 
arrival after a safety event, or
      the time remaining in the flight after a safety event, 
which exceeded the CVR's 2-hour recording duration.

    As a result of these concerns, in 2018, we issued recommendations 
to the FAA to address the need to install CVRs with a minimum 25-hour 
recording capability on all newly manufactured airplanes required to 
have a CVR, and to retrofit these CVRs on existing aircraft required to 
have flight recorders.\11\
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    \11\ National Transportation Safety Board. Extended Duration 
Cockpit Voice Recorders. Rpt. No. ASR-18/04 (Washington, DC: NTSB 
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                 Preventing Turbulence-Related Injuries
    Turbulence-related accidents are the most common type of accident 
involving air carriers, accounting for more than a third of Part 121 
accidents from 2009 through 2018. Most of these accidents resulted in 
one or more serious injuries but no aircraft damage. Flight attendants 
were the most commonly injured in these accidents, accounting for 78.9 
percent of all seriously injured persons. We are currently 
investigating a Part 121 accident that occurred on December 18, 2022, 
in which Hawaiian Airlines flight 35 experienced severe convectively 
induced turbulence at 40,000 feet, about 40 minutes from landing at 
Honolulu International Airport. Of the 291 passengers and crew, 25 were 
injured, 6 seriously. The airplane sustained minor damage.
    On August 10, 2021, we released a safety research report that 
examined the prevalence and risk factors of turbulence-related 
accidents in Part 121 air carrier operations; assessed the 
effectiveness of policies, programs, technologies, and other applicable 
safety countermeasures; and made 21 new recommendations to improve 
turbulence avoidance and injury mitigation.\12\ These recommendations 
call for improvements in the reporting and sharing of information 
regarding turbulence risks, the use of data to revise guidance on when 
flight attendants should be secured in their seats to prevent injuries, 
and efforts to increase the use of child restraint systems.
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    \12\ National Transportation Safety Board. Preventing Turbulence-
Related Injuries in Air Carrier Operations Conducted Under Title 14 
Code of Federal Regulations Part 121. Rpt. No. SS-21/01. (Washington, 
DC: NTSB 2021).
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                      Reducing Flight Crew Fatigue
    Fatigue degrades a person's ability to stay awake, alert, and 
attentive to the demands of safely controlling an aircraft. The NTSB 
has investigated many air carrier accidents involving fatigued flight 
crews, including Colgan Air flight 3407. In 2006, we issued a safety 
recommendation to the FAA as a result of our investigation of the 
October 19, 2004, crash of Corporate Airlines flight 5966 in 
Kirksville, Missouri, to modify and simplify the flight crew hours-of-
service regulations to take into consideration factors such as length 
of duty day, starting time, workload and other factors shown by recent 
research, scientific evidence, and current industry experience to 
affect crew alertness.\13\ Current FAA rules that prescribe flight- and 
duty-time regulations for all flight crewmembers and certificate 
holders under Part 121 exclude operators who conduct cargo 
operations.\14\ We disagree with this exclusion, as many of the 
fatigue-related accidents that we have investigated over the years 
involved cargo operators. We also believe that, because of the time of 
day that cargo operations typically occur, such operations are in 
greater need of these requirements. We continue to believe that the FAA 
should include all Part 121 operations, including cargo operations, 
under these requirements.
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    \13\ NTSB. Collision with Trees and Crash Short of the Runway, 
Corporate Airlines Flight 5966 BAE Systems BAE-J3201, N875JX 
Kirksville, Missouri. Rpt. No. AAR-06/01 (Washington, DC: NTSB, 2006). 
NTSB Safety Recommendation A-06-10.
    \14\ Federal Aviation Administration, Flightcrew Member Duty and 
Rest Requirements, 14 CFR Parts 117, 119, and 121.
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             Wrong Surface Operations and Runway Incursions
    We also investigate numerous aviation safety incidents each year. 
In fact, we have completed more than 800 aviation incident 
investigations in the past 20 years, resulting in several safety 
recommendations. For example, our investigation of the 2017 Air Canada 
incident in San Francisco resulted in recommendations to the FAA 
regarding the presentation of information to pilots (such as through 
notices to air missions, known as NOTAMs) as well as technology to 
detect wrong runway or other surface landings. I want to thank 
Representatives Stauber and DeSaulnier for their leadership in the 
House passing the NOTAM Improvement Act 2 weeks ago, which will help 
address issues that we identified in our investigation.
    Several factors are considered when deciding which safety incidents 
merit an NTSB-led investigation. Safety risk and the possibility that a 
repeat event could lead to a catastrophic outcome are among the key 
considerations. The potential for findings related to regulatory 
standards or safety oversight that could lead to systemwide safety 
improvements, as opposed to local or isolated improvements, are also 
considered. By weighing these factors, we ensure that resources are 
applied to investigate incidents with the potential for greatest effect 
on public safety. Wrong surface operations and runway incursions are 
examples of such concerning incidents.
    For example, in June 2022, we initiated investigations into two 
wrong runway landings by Part 121 operators. On June 8, FedEx flight 
1170 landed on the wrong the runway at Tulsa International Airport in 
Oklahoma.\15\ The captain and first officer were not injured, and the 
aircraft was not damaged. The flight was cleared for a visual approach 
and landing on runway 18L; however, the airplane landed on runway 18R. 
The airplane was operated as a Part 121 cargo flight from Fort Worth 
Alliance Airport in Fort Worth, Texas.
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    On June 21, United Airlines flight 2627 was cleared for a visual 
approach and landing on runway 28C at the Pittsburgh International 
Airport in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but instead lined up with and 
landed on runway 28L.\16\ None of the 174 occupants aboard the airplane 
were injured and the aircraft was not damaged. The regularly scheduled 
passenger flight was operating under the provisions of Part 121 from 
the Chicago O'Hare International Airport.
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    Although there were no injuries or damages due to these two 
incidents, they, along with the Air Canada event already mentioned, 
illustrate the potential for a catastrophic accident due to wrong 
surface operations. Both the Tulsa and Pittsburgh investigations are 
ongoing, and preliminary reports have been issued.
                  Emerging Transportation Technologies
    Advances in technology are transforming transportation and hold 
promise for improving transportation safety, but they also pose new 
challenges. The integration of high-volume drone operations, advanced 
air mobility aircraft, commercial airliners, general aviation aircraft, 
and commercial space vehicles all together in the National Airspace 
System is increasing the complexity of airspace operations and 
management and is also likely to increase our accident and serious 
incident investigation workload over the next 5 years. This diverse 
platform of operations will also require enhanced--and in some cases, 
all new--skill sets and capabilities as the complexity and breadth of 
operations grows. In addition, new technologies, such as autonomous 
systems, introduce more complexity to the traditional aviation workload 
as well as to operational functions, such as changes to the FAA's 
flight certification process. Our involvement in these emerging areas, 
with appropriate coordination with the FAA (particularly in commercial 
space mishap investigations), will support the growth of these 
industries by assuring the public that investigations are being 
conducted impartially and that safety issues are identified.
                         Our Road Safety Crisis
    We believe that the only acceptable number of deaths and serious 
injuries in all modes of transportation is zero. We have more work to 
do in aviation to achieve that goal, as we will discuss today. However, 
the greatest risk to aviation employees and aircraft owners and 
operators is on our nation's roads, where about 95 percent of all US 
transportation deaths--nearly 43,000 in 2021--occur. Millions of people 
are injured each year.
    The following five of the ten items on our Most Wanted List of 
Transportation Safety Improvements are related to road safety:
      Implement a Comprehensive Strategy to Eliminate Speeding-
Related Crashes
      Protect Vulnerable Road Users through a Safe System 
Approach
      Prevent Alcohol- and Other Drug-Impaired Driving
      Require Collision-Avoidance and Connected-Vehicle 
Technologies on all Vehicles
      Eliminate Distracted Driving

    We are calling for a Safe System Approach for our roads that 
prioritizes the lives. A Safe System recognizes that human error is 
inevitable, but it should never cost someone their life or result in a 
serious injury. A Safe System addresses all aspects of road safety--
speed, road design, vehicles, road users, and postcrash care. We must 
make better safety investments, from road treatments to strong traffic 
safety laws and robust education efforts, to mitigate injury risks for 
all road users. I hope that we can continue to work together and take 
some of the lessons learned from the collaborative approach to safety 
in aviation to address our road safety crisis.
                               Conclusion
    Thank you for the opportunity to further discuss these safety 
issues and recommendations with the Committee. We recognize the 
progress that has been made; yet, there will always be room for 
improvement. We stand ready to work with the Committee to continue 
improving aviation safety, which includes ensuring that the NTSB has 
the resources needed to carry out our mission.
    I am happy to answer your questions.

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thank you very much.
    Next, we are going to go to Captain Jason Ambrosi, who is 
the president of the Air Line Pilots Association.
    Thanks for being here, Captain.

 TESTIMONY OF CAPT. JASON AMBROSI, PRESIDENT, AIR LINE PILOTS 
                   ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL

    Mr. Ambrosi. Thank you, Chairman Graves, Ranking Member 
Larsen, and the committee members. I am Captain Jason Ambrosi, 
president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, 
which represents more than 67,000 pilots in the United States 
and Canada. And I remain a current and qualified international 
captain on the Boeing 767.
    Like many airline pilots, I began my career flying for a 
regional airline. I was hired by Delta Air Lines in 2000, 18 
months before the terrorist attacks of 9/11 would change our 
industry forever.
    The loss of Continental flight 3407 in which 50 people died 
near Buffalo, New York, also changed our industry forever. 
Later this week, we will mark the 14th anniversary of that 
accident. It was the final in a series of tragedies that led 
this Nation to commit to becoming the gold standard in aviation 
safety.
    The passage of the 2010 FAA bill played a critical role in 
our Nation's achievement of this goal. Because of it, U.S. air 
transportation benefits from landmark safety improvements such 
as pilot qualification, experience, and training requirements, 
and safety management systems based on enhanced Voluntary 
Safety Reporting programs.
    Through the bill, Congress also ensured U.S. pilots had 
science-based fatigue rules and training in areas such as 
mentoring and leadership, high-altitude operations, adverse 
weather, and stall prevention and recovery. These and other 
safety improvements in a 2010 FAA bill and the presence of at 
least two experienced and trained pilots working together on 
every airliner flight deck have been critical.
    Collaborative efforts by labor, industry, and Government 
have also been key. Safety programs like CAST and ASIAS have 
been game changers that apply state-of-the-art analytics to 
aviation and position the United States on the leading edge of 
safety analysis. Together, these advances have brought us to 
where we are today.
    It is no accident that the airline passenger fatality rate 
has dropped by 99.8 percent since the law was passed in 2010. 
We have set the gold standard. And I know we share a common 
goal in ensuring we never accept bronze or silver. This 
extraordinary record demonstrates that the current system is 
working in the way it was intended. The United States is 
creating thousands of new pilots each year who have the 
experience and training they need to ensure this Nation 
maintains its place as the global safety leader.
    As an airline pilot who has flown for more than 25 years 
and worked for both regional and mainline carriers, I can tell 
you that all U.S. passengers deserve one level of safety. In 
the upcoming FAA reauthorization, Congress has a historic 
opportunity to maintain and expand this country's global 
leadership in safety for all Americans, whether they fly out of 
major hubs or small rural airports.
    We thank the committee for passing the aircraft 
certification reform bill to improve the entire certification 
system. Continuing to modernize the air traffic infrastructure 
and NOTAM system is also important. We urge lawmakers to 
consider modernization funding that spans multiple 
reauthorization and appropriation cycles so that the FAA has 
stable, long-term resources to increase aviation safety and 
efficiency.
    The U.S. air transportation system's gold standard of 
safety has made this country a global leader. This Nation can 
never become complacent about aviation safety, especially as we 
work to integrate new and expanding users into the shared 
national airspace. Any new technology, system, or a change in 
procedure or regulation must maintain or improve the current 
level of safety.
    We know that this committee is interested in inspiring more 
young people to consider aviation professions, and we applaud 
you in your effort, because it is a great time to be an airline 
pilot. ALPA hopes the reauthorization process can also create 
more opportunities for people of all backgrounds to become 
airline pilots. Lawmakers can align Federal funding support for 
education required to become an airline pilot with that of 
other highly skilled professions and make aviation education 
more accessible to minorities and underrepresented groups.
    ALPA is ready to work with all aviation stakeholders to 
keep this country leading the world in aviation safety, open 
the doors of opportunity for everyone who aspires to fly, and 
ensure that communities large and small have the safe air 
service they deserve.
    Thank you.
    [Mr. Ambrosi's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
 Prepared Statement of Capt. Jason Ambrosi, President, Air Line Pilots 
                       Association, International
    Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, thank you for giving me 
the opportunity to join you today to talk about FAA reauthorization and 
enhancing America's gold standard in aviation safety. We believe 
there's great opportunity for industry stakeholders to work together on 
new policy priorities, solve problems, improve the aviation system, 
launch new projects, and ensure our continued role as global aviation 
leader. We look forward to collaborating in this first reauthorization 
meeting through the successful passage of the bill.
    I'm a current international captain on the Boeing 767 and the 
president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), 
which represents more than 67,000 professional airline pilots flying 
for 39 airlines in the United States and Canada. ALPA is the world's 
largest pilot union and non-governmental aviation safety organization. 
We are the recognized voice of the airline piloting profession in North 
America, with a history of safety and security advocacy spanning nearly 
92 years. As the sole U.S. member of the International Federation of 
Air Line Pilots Associations (IFALPA), ALPA has the unique ability to 
provide airline pilot expertise to aviation safety issues worldwide, 
collaborate on global improvements, and to incorporate an international 
dimension to safety advocacy.
    The U.S. is the gold standard when it comes to aviation safety. We 
not only have the safest aviation system in the world, but it is also 
seen by others around the globe as the best. This perception has been 
tested in recent years, but U.S. aviation remains on top. While today 
is the safest period in air transportation, that outcome is not 
guaranteed moving forward. We must remain constantly vigilant and 
identify every opportunity for improvement and steadfastly advocate for 
implementation. Sadly, we are nearing the 14th anniversary of the 
Continental Connection, Colgan Air, Flight 3407 accident in Clarence 
Center, New York that fatally injured all 49 passengers and crew on 
board and one person on the ground. The Colgan accident was a turning 
point in the airline industry \1\--a point to which we must never 
return. Remarkably, since the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation 
Administration Extension Act of 2010, triggered by this accident, was 
signed into law, more than 10 billion passengers \2\ have traveled 
safely in our skies to their destinations.\3\
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    \1\ The Colgan Air accident was the last in a series of high-
profile fatal regional airline accidents including Comair 5191, August 
27, 2006 in Lexington, KY; Corporate Airlines 5966, October19, 2004 in 
Kirksville, MO; and Pinnacle 3701, October 14, 2004 in Jefferson City, 
MO, that highlighted deficiencies in pilot training and flight 
experience.
    \2\ According to the United States Bureau of Transportation 
Statistics. See, https://www.transtats.bts.gov/
Data_Elements.aspx?Data=4 for passengers.
    \3\ While airline accidents are rare in the U.S., even one fatal 
injury is one too many. The U.S. airline industry has experienced two 
passenger fatalities since 2009. The first occurred in 2018 on a 
Southwest Airlines flight when the engine cowling failed and punctured 
the aircraft fuselage. The second occurred in 2019 when a PenAir 
flight, Alaska's second-largest regional/commuter airline, overran the 
runway on landing sending debris into the fuselage fatally injuring a 
passenger.
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    This remarkable safety achievement was not accomplished by chance 
or any one action. This success results from decades of industry-wide 
work and commitment to create the safest air transportation system in 
the world. There are numerous significant parts of aviation safety that 
have and continue to directly contribute to the gold standard and the 
benefits are immeasurable. Becoming the gold standard in aviation 
safety is the result of decades of stakeholder collaboration; data 
collection and analysis; hazard identification and risk mitigation; as 
well as critical changes and improvements to regulations, pilot 
qualification and training, airline operations and maintenance, 
technology, safety, security, and oversight.
    Prior to the passage of the Aviation Safety and FAA Reauthorization 
Act of 2010 (the ``Act''), the passenger airline industry lost 
approximately 1,100 passengers in airline accidents over a 20-year 
period. Since the unanimous passage of that landmark safety 
legislation, the airline passenger fatality rate has reduced by 99.8 
percent. The numerous congressional mandates in the bill created 
comprehensive changes to how airlines do business and significantly 
raised the safety bar. The Act resulted in regulations that improved 
the collection of and access to pilot records to help provide employers 
a more complete picture of new hires; established a training 
requirement for crewmember mentoring and leadership to help captains 
more effectively mentor first officers; and forced government and 
industry to reexamine pilot fatigue resulting in science-based flight 
and duty limitations and rest requirements for all Part 121 passenger 
operations along with Fatigue Risk Management Plans for all airlines. 
Mistakenly, cargo operations were carved-out from these life-saving 
requirements and correcting this error remains one of ALPA's top 
priorities.
    In the years following the passage of the Act, the airline industry 
ushered in sweeping changes to pilot qualifications and training and 
aviation safety that have profoundly improved airline operations and 
directly contribute to the U.S. gold standard in aviation safety. One 
of the most significant changes was the requirement that each flight 
crewmember for a Part 121 air carrier hold an airline transport pilot 
certificate. The previous standard for first officers to possess only a 
commercial certificate was established decades prior and did not keep 
pace with the changes to and increased complexity of aircraft and 
airline operations. Congress recognized the critical importance for 
both pilots on the flight deck to possess an airline transport pilot 
certificate and the experience commensurate with the responsibility of 
transporting passengers.\4\ We are grateful for Congress's unwavering 
commitment to maintaining higher standards for first officers and 
rejecting attempts to return to a point in our aviation history when 
first officers were held to lower safety standards.
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    \4\ The ``1,500 Hour Rule'' is a distracting misnomer. It is 
important to note that in parallel with the requirement that all 
airline pilots possess an ATP, Congress gave the FAA discretion to 
grant credit toward the 1,500 hours required for an ATP for certain 
academic training courses. As a result, the FAA created the ATP with 
restricted privileges (R-ATP), which allows first officers to fly 
airline operations with fewer than 1,500 hours. Military pilots are 
hired with 750 hours, pilots with four-year aviation degrees are hired 
with 1,000 hours, and pilots with two-year aviation degrees are hired 
at 1,250 hours of flight experience time.
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    Additionally, Congress directed the FAA to modify the requirements 
for an ATP to improve operating in a multi-pilot flight deck 
environment, in adverse weather and at high altitudes, stall and upset 
recovery training, and remedial training programs for flight 
crewmembers with a history of training deficiencies. Rule changes also 
required first officers to have a type rating for the aircraft they 
will operate, have additional flight time requirements, and complete an 
ATP Certification Training Program designed to prepare the applicant to 
operate safely in those operations which require an ATP. The same 
rulemaking that established the ATP/R-ATP requirements, also ensured 
minimum experience requirements for first officers before serving as 
pilot-in-command in Part 121 airline operations.
    The Act also required Part 121 airlines to establish a Safety 
Management System (SMS) that would include, at a minimum, an aviation 
safety action program, a flight operational quality assurance program, 
a line operations safety audit, and an advanced qualification program. 
SMS is used to identify, address, and reduce organizational and 
systemic risks. The goal of SMS is to identify active failures and 
inadequate defenses so that hazards can be contained while preventative 
measures can be reinforced. SMS adds value to an organization's safety 
structure by identifying hazards and mitigating risks before they 
develop into full accidents. The systems are complex and require 
assessments of human factors and their relation to other workplace 
components. A successful SMS incorporates a collaborative effort 
between the organization, labor, regulator, manufacturers, and other 
stakeholders to build a robust and diverse SMS team. The team's 
objective is to leverage data and knowledge to collectively build risk 
assessments, design systemic improvements, and support a positive 
safety culture. The U.S. airline industry is a leader in using data not 
only to understand what happened in a past event, but also to prevent 
that same event from happening again. The aviation industry expertly 
uses data to achieve long-term risk reduction and monitor emerging 
safety trends. A positive safety culture encourages and supports 
employees to report safety issues that may not otherwise be discovered.
    In the airline segment, we see safety culture driven by the FAA 
through compliance philosophy, which emphasizes compliance actions over 
enforcement for correcting unintentional deviations and its dedication 
to programs such as Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing 
(ASIAS) program. SMS thrives on voluntary safety reporting programs 
that collect information on day-to-day operations. Voluntary safety 
reporting programs are the core of aviation safety risk management that 
provide critical data and unique information. These programs allow us 
to identify risk in the system before an accident occurs so that the 
changes necessary to mitigate the risks can be implemented. Analysis is 
done at individual organizations but the greatest value stems from 
large-scale industry-wide data sharing programs like ASIAS that has 
analyzed millions of reports and other data.
    The transition in ASIAS to use data fusion, matching data from 
multiple sources on the same event, has been an incredible advancement 
for safety analysis. The program is now able to thread together 
multiple data points from airlines, manufacturers, maintenance, in-
flight, dispatchers, Air Traffic Control, airports, and various sectors 
of the FAA. Data points can be fused together to create a cohesive 
picture of the operating environment including pilot reports, ATC 
reports, flight data, and other external datapoints such as weather. 
There is risk in aviation and we must develop organizational resilience 
through proactive safety enhancements. The clear path to make these 
enhancements is through large scale collaborative data collection and 
analysis. In aviation, we focus on the safety of the complete system. 
By bringing all components of the operation together, we can develop 
better risk management techniques, effectively mitigating risks by 
designing the entire system to be safer rather than focusing on a 
single component.
    Last year marked the 25th anniversary of the Commercial Aviation 
Safety Team (CAST), which embodies the power and purpose of safety data 
collection and industry collaboration. ALPA is a proud founding member 
of and strong leader in CAST. CAST is the catalyst behind the industry 
transition from a forensic approach to safety to a data-driven, 
nonpunitive, risk-predictive model--a proactive approach that has 
changed the way safety work is conducted in the U.S. Analysis is done 
to identify opportunities for improvement within areas such as 
training, procedural designs, and other aspects of an operation. 
Voluntary safety reporting programs are the core of aviation safety 
risk management within the U.S. for the unique information they are 
capable of providing. The transition to data-based analysis and large-
scale information sharing through ASIAS referenced above is due to the 
efforts in CAST.
    The collaboration between government, labor, and industry that CAST 
made possible has improved aviation safety and reduced the U.S. 
commercial aviation fatality risk by more than 83 percent. Data and 
collaboration--coupled with two experienced, highly-trained, and well-
rested pilots--are keys to creating and maintaining the safest air 
transportation system in the world. These programs are built upon a 
collaborative model that differentiates U.S. aviation safety from the 
rest of the world. Government, labor, and industry share data and other 
information in a manner and at a level that no other country does. This 
is, in part, due to the protection of aviation safety data that has 
helped these programs thrive. In the U.S., there are legal protections 
regarding the use of safety related data. Protections need to be 
stronger and go further to protect today's data and for future 
evolution of data sharing programs, the U.S. is unique in protecting 
aviation safety data.
    An example of the critical work done by CAST and ASIAS is the 
Airplane State Awareness (ASA) report and studies. The goal of this 
initiative was to reduce Loss of Control-Inflight (LOC-I) accidents and 
incidents, historically one of the highest fatal accident categories. 
CAST chartered various working groups of experts to analyze a subset of 
accidents and incidents related to LOC-I events specifically involving 
attitude and energy complications. After thorough review, 11 actionable 
Safety Enhancements (SEs) were developed through the CAST process to 
reduce the risk of LOC-I events through training, operations, and 
design changes while adding redundancy to the overall system. By 
addressing risks and hazards through a systemic view, CAST has been 
able to help design a safer operational environment. This is only 
possible through the voluntary data submitted by front-line workers 
through programs like ASAP and FOQA. CAST takes a data driven approach 
to tackle risks like ASA and develop mitigation strategies based on 
real experiences from pilots.
    The safety enhancements are currently implemented at Part 121 
airlines and primarily focus on enhancing training to include more 
real-world scenarios and nonstandard situations. Four of the SEs target 
training opportunities to verify that pilots have the skills necessary 
to recognize situations that may lead to undesirable aircraft states 
and ample experience correcting these scenarios in a training 
environment. Other enhancements focus on the design of visual displays 
and indicators on the flight deck to effectively communicate aircraft 
state to pilots to proactively prevent loss of control. Industry 
collaborated on these solutions to ensure they are not only effective 
but also can be realistically implemented. Other SEs were developed 
from this safety topic to look at the future of managing this risk 
through research and design initiatives.
    The goal of this work was to reduce the risk of these types of 
accidents in the U.S. by 70% in 2018 and 80% by 2025. Data from the 
NTSB can confirm that LOC-I is not a defining cause of an accident in 
2021 and is no longer considered a leading defining cause of accidents 
for Part 121 air carriers in the U.S. CAST successfully leverages 
industry input and data to reduce risk. To effectively manage ASA and 
other risks, a structured, systemic approach is necessary, as one 
mitigation will not be a complete or failsafe solution. Equally 
important is input from industry during each phase of the development 
process to ensure that proposed solutions are realistic in the 
operating environment. Our pilots are the single voice for this part of 
the process. An oversimplification of this extremely detailed and 
complex work, but hopefully enough explanation that demonstrates how 
labor, industry, and government work together to develop safety 
solutions that prevent accidents.
    There are a multitude of factors that work in parallel and in 
conjunction with all other parts of system safety that brought us to 
where we are today. Removing or modifying requirements, without 
implementing an equivalent level of safety or higher, will disrupt the 
system and cause gaps where risks can slip through. Only changes that 
maintain or improve the current level of safety can be made to the 
aviation safety system we rely on today. Given the extraordinary safety 
track record we have achieved together, that should be the lens through 
which we evaluate any proposal to modify our existing gold standard 
safety system.
    The future of aviation holds many changes in aircraft, technology, 
new entrants, types of operations, etc. and there will always be 
pursuit of innovation, especially with the development of UAS, RPAS, 
and Advanced Air Mobility aircraft. We must ensure that any 
introduction of new technology, new systems, and changes in procedures 
or regulations result in an improvement to the current level of safety 
in our aviation system. One constant, above all, must remain--safety 
first. The airline safety system works and everything we do to change, 
modernize, be more innovative, or increase efficiency must be done with 
a commitment to safety first. Safety is not mutually exclusive from any 
of these endeavors. We have the foundation, experience, expertise, and 
tools to welcome the next generation of aviation without compromising 
on safety.
    One thing we know for sure is that aviation is fluid and often 
fragile in the wake of dynamic change as demonstrated during the 
pandemic. Despite the rapid changes to the industry, safety remained 
the first priority and CAST stakeholders quickly pivoted to focus on 
changes and what new risks might be introduced to the system. In short 
order, CAST created a new resource, ``Safety Elements to Monitor During 
a Period of Dynamic Change,'' that gave operators direction and support 
related to new risks caused by the pandemic while managing other 
operational risks. While the aviation safety system that we have 
developed over several decades remains unmatched, there will always be 
challenges and opportunities for improvement.
    Today is a very exciting time in aviation as we build for the 
future. Aircraft and product certification, as well as standards 
development in the U.S., will continue to be challenged by the number 
and types of projects to date and those expected consistently for years 
ahead. We acknowledge the importance of keeping pace with global 
aviation and the need to complete certification projects more 
efficiently, but that can never happen at the expense of safety. The 
FAA must be appropriately funded and resourced so that it is equipped 
to handle certification and crucial standards work without pressures to 
move faster.
    As the global aviation leader, other countries nip at our heels in 
efforts to assert a leadership role. Recent issues with our 
certification system left us vulnerable to those attacks. That's why we 
thank the Committee for passing the Aircraft Certification, Safety, and 
Accountability Act (ACSAA) of 2020. ACSAA mandated changes to improve 
the entire aircraft certification system. While that work is underway, 
we must work together to ensure we do not move more quickly on 
certification projects simply to avoid criticism. Rather, we must work 
together to improve the system so that it is both safe and efficient.
    The ACSAA included safety improvements such as requiring aircraft 
manufacturers to implement SMS in their lines of business and therefore 
ensuring that any changes in process and design are thoroughly 
evaluated and risks are identified and mitigated. This requirement 
aligns with FAA proposals to expand SMS to other domains. The FAA is in 
the process of finalizing rules for SMS at our nation's airports, which 
we fully support, and recently proposed to expand the requirement to 
operators such as charter and on-demand operators, tour operators, and 
others.
    Congress can continue to help improve the safety level of our 
National Airspace. Continued modernization of our air traffic 
infrastructure and NOTAM system is critical. In the past, Congress has 
given direction on modernization but only provided partial funding for 
resources necessary to start but not enough to finish the modernization 
needed. Congress should consider modernization funding mechanisms that 
may span multiple reauthorization and appropriation cycles that would 
provide the FAA adequate resources needed to complete specific tasks 
such as modernization. Congress should consider whether use of the 
Airport and Airways Trust Fund may be such a funding mechanism. 
Congress has the authority to task and authorize the FAA to utilize the 
trust fund available as a funding source for a specific task 
independent of annual appropriations.
    Another challenge we face is continued attempts to solve market 
issues with solutions that negatively impact safety. For example, the 
most vital safety feature on any airliner is having at least two 
experienced, highly-trained, and well-rested pilots on the flight deck. 
Yet, some stakeholders actually try to claim that there would be no 
safety impact if one or both pilots were removed to lower operational 
costs. This is an absurdity that we will continue to fight. 
Additionally, business models and practices abroad impinge on our 
safety standards when carriers not meeting our safety threshold are 
permitted to enter U.S. airspace and land at our airports. Safety 
should never give way to competitive advantage. Similarly, here in the 
U.S., an air carrier is attempting to circumvent the regulations for a 
business advantage by setting up an alter ego operator to transport 
passengers under a different standard rather than remaining under the 
highest, most stringent standard under FAR Part 121.\5\ Collectively, 
we all must continue to call out these deceptive attempts to gain a 
competitive edge while sacrificing safety.
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Carrier Authorization at DOT-OST-2022-0071.
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    Lastly, because we have become incredibly safe for so long, 
complacency is an ever-present risk. We must remain watchful, and 
safety-focused to prevent complacency and notions that we are ``safe 
enough'' from entering the system. Mass-scale information and data 
sharing helps prevent complacency from setting in. Awareness of issues 
in all parts of the system informs stakeholders that risks exist even 
if not experienced by a particular stakeholder. We all must be 
constantly reminded that our safety record could change in an instant 
by one event: that's why we must fight complacency just as fiercely as 
any other threat. Through hard, often tragic, lessons learned and 
cutting-edge safety data analysis, we have developed the global gold 
standard for aviation safety here in the United States. It is our 
solemn responsibility--lawmakers, pilots, and citizens--to ensure we 
enjoy this standing for decades to come. Thank you for this opportunity 
to participate in this important discussion today.

    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thank you very much.
    I have got to step out for a second to meet with the 
Missouri Adjutant General, but I will be listening in the 
antechamber. But I want to introduce Mr. Pete Bunce, who is the 
president of GAMA, the General Aviation Manufacturers 
Association. Thanks for being here.
    Pete.

  TESTIMONY OF PETER J. BUNCE, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
      OFFICER, GENERAL AVIATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Bunce. Thank you, Chairman Graves and Ranking Member 
Larsen, for allowing me to be in front of you today.
    We have got a lot of work to do with the FAA 
reauthorization. I was very encouraged by yours last night and 
this morning about the bipartisan nature with which we are 
going to approach this, because we have to correct some things 
that are not going in the right direction, particularly in 
aircraft certification.
    We talk about the gold standard, and when you look at how 
we do rulemaking, it is the gold standard of how we started. We 
do an Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee to start with. We 
bring in experts from all over the planet, regulatory 
authorities, and the best from industry. And we go ahead and do 
rulemaking, talk about doing rulemaking, set the framework for 
it. And then what happens? It sits on the shelf.
    And a prime example of this is, as you all know, ACSAA that 
was passed just a couple of years ago. One of the primary 
tenets in that was safety management systems. We did that in 
2014, and that rule sat on the shelf for manufacturers until 
recently, an NPRM, a notice of proposed rulemaking, was just 
issued. But it goes much further than that. We are at the 14th 
anniversary of the Miracle on the Hudson. We went and did the 
advanced Aviation Rulemaking Committee, talking about flocking 
bird tests. That has sat on the shelf now since 2015. But EASA, 
the European Union Aviation Safety Agency, they promulgated 
their rule. These examples go on and on.
    To Mr. Boulter's credit, those rules that are in his 
purview because he is a man of action, and he is taking the 
reins and is actually making things happen, have been able to 
advance rules in his area. But some of these really large rules 
go up, and they sit at FAA legal, or they go into the black 
hole of DOT or get delayed in the transmission of OMB, and they 
just sit there and sit there. All the while, EASA promulgates 
the rules, as they should, because they were part of the 
rulemaking committee, and that becomes the world standard for 
the rule. There is something wrong with that process.
    But worse than that is, during that entire time, we have 
aviation specialists, mainly in Mr. Boulter's area, that have 
to focus on being able to do exemptions, special conditions, 
and what we call equivalent level of safety analysis each and 
every time because a rule is not out there that the 
manufacturers just simply have to say, we have complied with 
the rule and the FAA checks that. That sucks up resources that 
doesn't allow us to do the technology improvements that you 
talked about, Chairman Graves, in being able to move the ball 
forward, because the resources just aren't there. And that 
causes delay, after delay, after delay.
    Exacerbating that is the new people within the workforce in 
aircraft certification. Forty percent of that workforce has 
less than 2 years of experience. Now, that is in the aircraft 
certification branch. The way we used to do it prepandemic is 
we would train new specialists basically through on-the-job 
training from the older, what we called the old heads, that 
imparted their knowledge. One of the dispersed places where we 
live now where specialists are, that training isn't available. 
And I know that I have talked with Chairman Sam Graves and 
Ranking Member Larsen about this, we have got to fix that.
    We can do joint training between industry and Mr. Boulter's 
regulators and aviation specialists, and we can do it. We can 
have Boeing people go train at Gulfstream on a different coast 
and vice versa, Pratt people up in Connecticut go to GE in 
Ohio. We can do that to have the safeguards in there, but we 
have got to fix the training, because only through that, then 
we can have accountability in the workforce with timelines that 
we can start bringing technology on board, like technology that 
will allow a pilot to see if somebody has been cleared for 
takeoff on the runway because they can actually see the 
pictorial display in the cockpit or a safe taxi route if 
somebody is on an active runway. And we can do that with color 
presentation. But we will never be able to certify that 
technology unless we have the technicians available and the 
rules to facilitate it.
    Lastly, international validations. Right now, and as you 
saw in the prep material that the chairman put out for this 
hearing, we have a system right now where we have people having 
great scrutiny across the Atlantic Ocean on equipment that we 
certify and vice versa. We're not implementing the bilateral 
safety agreement like it was meant to and what we do by the 
technical implementation procedures. We aren't measuring it. 
And we are hoping that this committee will demand from the FAA 
metrics and an ability and an annual report to be able to say 
how we are improving in the areas of validation.
    I look forward to your questions. Thank you.
    [Mr. Bunce's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
  Prepared Statement of Peter J. Bunce, President and Chief Executive 
          Officer, General Aviation Manufacturers Association
    Chairman Sam Graves and Ranking Member Rick Larsen, on behalf of 
the General Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA) and its member 
companies, thank you for convening today's hearing which focuses on 
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reauthorization and how to 
reverse current trends that are tarnishing the U.S. as the gold 
standard in aviation safety. All aviation stakeholders need to adopt 
``an all-hands on deck'' approach as we work together to plot and 
navigate the industry's future path for safety and innovation. The goal 
should be to ensure a robust FAA oversight process that builds on the 
strength of every participant in the certification and regulatory 
process to deliver safety and technology improvements in the most 
effective manner possible.
    GAMA represents more than 140 of the world's leading manufacturers 
of general aviation airplanes and rotorcraft, engines, avionics, 
advanced air mobility aircraft, components, and related services and 
technologies. GAMA members are also providers of maintenance and repair 
services, fixed-based operations, pilot and maintenance training, and 
aircraft management companies. GAMA companies have facilities in 48 
states and 27 countries. A recent economic impact study determined that 
the general aviation industry supports $247 billion in economic output 
and 1.2 million jobs in the U.S.\1\
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    \1\ General Aviation's Contributions to the U.S. Economy, 2018 
Price Waterhouse Coopers Study on behalf of Aircraft Electronics 
Association (AEA), Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA), 
Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA), General Aviation Manufacturers 
Association (GAMA), Helicopter Association International
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    We want to state the deep appreciation we have for this Committee 
and the U.S. Congress for their commitment to improving aviation safety 
and fostering innovation and growth in the aviation industry. Chairman 
Graves and Ranking Member Larsen, we look forward to working with you, 
House Aviation Subcommittee Chair Garret Graves and Ranking Member 
Steve Cohen, and the entire membership of the full committee on these 
issues. We want to commend you for moving quickly on this hearing given 
the importance of reauthorizing the FAA by the September 30, 2023, 
deadline. Your timely work on reauthorizing the FAA is essential as 
this is a transformative time for the aviation industry and U.S. 
transportation system, the likes of which has not been seen since the 
dawn of the Jet Age.
                  ACSAA and Safety Management Systems
    GAMA recognizes the congressional engagement and work that 
culminated in the December 2020 passage of the Aircraft Certification, 
Safety, and Accountability Act (ACSAA) \2\. In the aftermath of the 
Boeing 737 MAX accidents, GAMA engaged with aviation stakeholders to 
examine the issues raised by these accidents and find solutions to 
improve the safety and strength of the aviation system. Many of the 
provisions included in ACSAA bolstered efforts long championed by GAMA 
and were touted by GAMA when the legislation passed. These include 
increasing resources for the FAA safety workforce and oversight 
activities, improving safety decision-making for new technologies, and 
facilitating the FAA's international engagement in safety promotion and 
improvements in safety cooperation.
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    \2\ Aircraft Certification, Safety, and Accountability Act (P.L. 
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    Of critical importance to GAMA was the ACSAA direction to FAA to 
promulgate a rulemaking to implement safety management systems (SMS) 
for manufacturers. For years, GAMA has been a strong supporter of the 
development of SMS standards for aviation manufacturers and maintenance 
organizations. We participated as the industry co-chair of the Part 21 
SMS Aviation Rulemaking Committee, which submitted its recommendations 
to FAA in 2014. Since then, SMS standards and best practices have been 
developed and voluntarily implemented by manufacturers on both sides of 
the Atlantic Ocean, including the European Union Aviation Safety 
Agency's (EASA) SMS rules for manufacturers that will become applicable 
in March of this year. SMS improves safety and fosters a robust and 
continuous safety and oversight culture that permeates from top to 
bottom in an organization and across lines of business which positively 
impacts a company's management, employees, products, and services. We 
strongly endorse appropriate implementation of SMS standards and look 
forward to reviewing and commenting on the FAA's long overdue, recently 
proposed SMS rule as it moves to final publication.
    As the Committee approaches FAA Reauthorization, GAMA believes that 
we can build on areas identified when the ACSAA legislation was being 
considered, and with it now law, ensure it is successfully implemented. 
Your work on FAA Reauthorization will play a crucial role in furthering 
the goals of ACSAA's intent by helping to address regulatory delays 
that are significantly hindering safety and industry innovation; 
strengthen the FAA's technical capabilities and leverage industry 
expertise; improve U.S. engagement and activity internationally; and 
provide the framework for continuous improvement in the FAA's 
certification process.
    Today, I want to outline each of these areas in more detail and 
show how FAA reauthorization can address them with some policy ideas 
for your consideration.
                     Regulatory Process Improvement
    Unfortunately, despite the good work of thousands of dedicated FAA 
employees, delays in the promulgation of rulemaking, policies, and 
guidance have inhibited the progression of safety-enhancing 
aeronautical products through the certification system. Contributing to 
these delays is a large backlog of technical standards, policy memos, 
orders, and advisory circulars. Improvements are needed to the overall 
process to address development of safety standards such as those 
covered under ACSAA, cybersecurity and pilot training standards, as 
well as to facilitate advances in new technology. Another reminder of 
this backlog happened last month when the 14th anniversary of the 
Miracle on the Hudson was observed while the flocking bird test 
requirement developed in the aftermath of that accident still has not 
been issued as a final rule. Finally, the status of processing 
regulations and guidance for certification lacks the degree of 
transparency, including with other aviation authorities, and most 
importantly, the accountability within the FAA and the Department of 
Transportation (DOT), necessary to ensure progress in maintaining 
safety, security, and U.S. leadership and competitiveness.
    Industry actively supports the FAA and the Department of 
Transportation (DOT) through the development of industry standards and 
participation in federal aviation rulemaking and advisory committees 
(ARAC). The FAA's comprehensive consultative process should be the 
source of envy of all and the model for gathering comments from the 
public, industry, and safety experts. However, the FAA and DOT internal 
administrative process has resulted in significant delays to promulgate 
and implement the results of these consultative efforts which 
negatively impacts this collective strength. This has slowed progress 
in safety and innovation and forces the FAA and industry to go through 
administratively burdensome and time-consuming alternative processes 
such as exemptions, special conditions, and issue papers. Ironically, 
this also impacts the FAA's global leadership, as other aviation 
authorities move forward with promulgating and implementing the 
technical safety work completed by the U.S. advisory groups. This 
leaves the FAA and U.S. aviation industry behind due to these 
procedural delays.
    As an example, an FAA ARAC working group submitted recommendations 
to the FAA in 2016 for the establishment of aircraft system information 
cybersecurity and protection requirements. Pending rulemaking, 
cybersecurity is currently addressed by the FAA through project-by-
project special conditions and issue papers whereas EASA promulgated 
and adopted cybersecurity requirements based on the ARAC 
recommendations in July 2020.
    Part of the delay for the cybersecurity rule is because it is part 
of a larger package focused on modernizing transport airplane 
requirements, which has not been able to move through the rulemaking 
bureaucracy. Ironically, this failure has led to more delays and 
heavier administrative burden on the agency and industry because rather 
than having updated rules that apply to all projects, every single 
certification project is instead subject to a series of rulemakings 
that consider the same special conditions, exemptions, and equivalent 
level of safety for each project again and again.
    GAMA proposes that the FAA, with DOT participation, immediately 
establish an internal regulatory process review team. The team should 
be tasked with developing recommendations within 90 days to improve the 
timeliness, transparency, and performance accountability in the 
promulgation of rules, regulatory policies, guidance, and other 
materials necessary for certification and approval of new aircraft, 
equipment, training, and operations. The team should base these 
recommendations on the comprehensive review of the regulatory processes 
referenced earlier, including consideration of streamlining processes 
and eliminating redundant or unnecessary review by certain FAA and DOT 
offices, and others given the apolitical and technical subject matter 
of these regulatory, safety, and compliance materials.
    The review should also consider the potential need for hiring 
additional FAA safety personnel and others whose focus is moving 
forward new and revised regulatory policy and guidance documents in a 
more expeditious fashion. The review team should also propose how to 
put in place quarterly scorecards on progress--to include data on the 
number of rules, policy, and guidance documents in process each quarter 
along with ``elapsed time'' from start to publish, as well as the 
number of documents still in the queue waiting to start the process. 
These quarterly scorecards could be used to measure actual progress and 
identify bottlenecks that need to be addressed to speed up the process 
moving forward. FAA should be directed to brief the Committee on these 
recommendations and an action plan to implement them within 30 days of 
completion of the review team's work.
    Looking forward to the emerging advanced air mobility (AAM) sector, 
it is critical that the FAA, DOT and the Office of Management and 
Budget complete the rulemaking they call the ``powered-lift'' special 
federal aviation regulation (SFAR) to establish the necessary 
regulatory requirements for commercial operations and pilot 
certification for electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) 
vehicles no later than December 2024. This is the FAA's announced 
completion date which is necessary to enable the expected entry into 
service of initial AAM aircraft. The Committee should hold the FAA to 
that commitment. However, as previously discussed, there are 
significant concerns about DOT's administrative process for rulemaking, 
so we also propose that Congress puts in place an interim solution that 
would allow for this new category of ``powered-lift'' aircraft (e.g., 
the new certification path for eVTOL) to operate commercially under 
specified existing regulations if the FAA fails to publish these rules 
by the deadline. This proposed interim path would not be used or go 
away once the FAA issues the final SFAR. Congress should also direct 
the FAA to continue activities and actions to enable certification and 
entry into service of other types of AAM vehicles and technologies and 
operations not addressed by the ``powered-lift'' SFAR such as 
simplified vehicle operations, autonomy, instrument flight rules, and 
airspace integration.
                       FAA Technical Capabilities
    Tied closely to ACSAA's focus, the FAA needs a strong and capable 
workforce to meet the safety expectations of the flying public. 
According to FAA, 40% of the engineers in the FAA Aircraft 
Certification Office have less than two years of FAA certification 
experience, which underscores the urgency of the current workforce 
challenge. GAMA believes an emphasis must be placed on the workforce 
responsible for aircraft certification at the project level to ensure 
the FAA has an adequate level of staff resources, including for 
necessary training. There have also been recent departures in key 
certification management positions and those must be filled with 
strongly capable, effective managers with deep technical expertise 
especially given the overall inexperience in the workforce. Given these 
staffing challenges, the FAA should consider whether their current work 
from home policy is conducive to the successful training and 
integration of these new employees. Additionally, the FAA should detail 
their efforts to ensure the current policy does not present obstacles 
to timely agency decision-making.
    The FAA has recognized the ongoing challenge to identify and 
attract talent into key safety positions and has maintained an Aviation 
Workforce Plan in the hope of addressing these needs. However, the 
agency needs to continue to explore training opportunities and 
financial incentives as well as partnering with industry to facilitate 
the effectiveness of the FAA's safety workforce. This effectiveness can 
also be enhanced by holding FAA certification and flight standards 
employees accountable to agreed-upon certification and validation plans 
and processes.
    Finding highly qualified individuals to tackle evolving technology 
such as flight crew interface (human factors), system safety, autonomy, 
propulsion methods, software, and artificial intelligence is 
challenging. Other government agencies have addressed similar problems 
by establishing partnerships with industry without ceding or 
compromising, in any respect, their regulatory authority. For example, 
the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has a Professional 
Accounting Fellows Program that allows the appointment of highly 
qualified industry individuals to positions requiring specialized or 
unique skills within the SEC.
    In FAA reauthorization, the Committee should direct the FAA to 
conduct a new review of its engineering, pilot, and inspector staffing 
needs related to aircraft certification compliance and system safety 
and designee oversight activities, including a comparative industry 
compensation and benefits analysis to identify competitive salaries 
which will bolster retention and attract experienced industry engineers 
and inspectors to the FAA. This analysis should include consideration 
of special pay or hiring incentives for hard-to-fill positions such as 
flight test pilots, software experts, system safety engineers, and 
autonomous systems specialists and how personnel reforms the agency was 
given in the 1990s could help achieve this end.
    Additionally, the Committee should provide clear authorization for 
the establishment of a training exchange program for the FAA and 
industry workforce responsible for safety certification activities. 
This should facilitate the FAA providing detailed technical training to 
company employees and designees on aviation safety regulatory 
requirements, policy, and guidance. The program should also authorize 
the provision of detailed technical training by companies, without 
cost, to FAA employees on company engineering, analysis, test, modeling 
methodologies, compliance processes, and aviation products and 
technologies. The FAA should also establish a demonstration fellowship 
program like the one at the SEC, with appropriate safeguards, 
permitting the appointment of highly qualified individuals from 
industry to temporary positions within the FAA or from FAA to industry. 
We believe these initiatives can provide critical understanding about 
new technologies and processes while recognizing the need to ensure 
impartiality. The review should also consider the minimum training 
necessary for FAA employees who conduct examinations and tests, perform 
oversight, and determine technical compliance and approvals for the 
issuance of design approvals and certificates.
    Within both these exchange programs and other areas, to be 
successful in its safety and oversight mission, the FAA must rely on 
the best available expertise and experience. This expertise is 
facilitated by using industry professionals, where appropriate, to 
conduct examinations, perform tests, determine compliance, and issue 
approvals and certificates. The FAA delegation program makes available 
to the FAA the world's leading expertise and experience across all 
aviation technical disciplines and with FAA and global certification 
processes. In addition, this also includes industry involvement in 
technical boards to provide expertise and knowledge to support 
development of necessary safety standards and the better utilization of 
groups like the congressionally created Safety Oversight and 
Certification Advisory Committee (SOCAC).
                Validation and International Engagement
    Aviation is a global industry and to promote safety and maintain 
U.S. leadership, the FAA must place a priority on working with other 
aviation authorities and policymakers. This includes engagement with 
key international partners at the International Civil Aviation 
Organization (ICAO) as well as ensure compliance and strengthen the 
effectiveness of bilateral safety agreements.
    GAMA's membership faces impediments with validation in the 
international marketplace. Congress rightfully focused on international 
leadership and engagement in the 2018 FAA Reauthorization \3\, and we 
believe that a renewed attention is merited. The FAA certification 
office has created an International Validation branch to improve this 
activity, but the office has been slowly ramping up and lacks the full-
time employees with the training, understanding and relationships 
necessary to effectively manage the implementation of validation 
programs under bilateral agreements with foreign authorities. It is 
critical that this branch be given the resources and tools it needs to 
be successful, and Congressional support will help ensure the 
effectiveness of bilateral agreements and validation programs essential 
for the global export of U.S. products.
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    GAMA proposes that Congress requires an annual report from the FAA 
evaluating type validation program performance under bilateral 
agreements and outlining plans and recommendations for improvement. The 
report should include an evaluation of the following: outgoing and 
incoming validation program data such as number and type of projects, 
timeline milestones and related metrics; analysis of the use of 
implementation tools such as validation workplan and risk-based 
involvement safety emphasis items; stakeholder perspectives and data on 
validation performance to include FAA aircraft certification offices, 
FAA International Validation Branch, bilateral authority, and industry 
applicants; delineation of FAA training to employees on validation and 
outreach conducted to improve processes; and a description of 
engagement with international certification authorities to maximize 
safety cooperation and the use of another certifying authority's 
approvals.
    More broadly, the Committee should also direct the FAA to develop a 
plan, in proactive coordination with the aviation industry, to enhance 
U.S. aviation safety leadership and activities internationally on areas 
including but not limited to safety enhancing technologies, automation, 
general aviation innovation, uncrewed aircraft systems (UAS) and AAM. 
This plan should consider the future direction and strategy of U.S. 
engagement with ICAO; how to facilitate acceptance of mandatory 
continuing airworthiness information (MCAI) such as airworthiness 
directives and other safety documents; and promotion of standards 
harmonization and adoption. In addition, better alignment of FAA 
technical assistance and training in countries or regions with U.S. 
certified aircraft operations and industry activity to enhance aviation 
safety should be considered including resolution of any issues 
hindering the provision of this technical assistance. Reauthorization 
should also make it clear that the FAA Administrator has authority to 
approve any international travel requests for FAA employees to support 
these critical activities.
                  Continuous Certification Improvement
    GAMA also believes emphasis should be placed on examining the 
future enhancement and continuous improvement to FAA certification 
processes. When the certification process is efficient, effective, and 
predictable, it fosters investment in safety innovation and strengthens 
the U.S. aviation system and economy. The current certification process 
was developed in the 1960s and reflects an era when aircraft were 
simpler. This process takes a document-centric approach that is very 
transactional in nature. In this traditional approach, each regulatory 
requirement is mapped to a document that demonstrates compliance. Each 
document ``shows'' compliance to individual airworthiness requirements 
and is then reviewed for an additional check, and compliance is 
``found.'' In the 1960s, the processes did not envision the extent of 
computer modeling and simulation that the industry is capable of today. 
Nor did it envision the highly integrated complex aircraft that achieve 
today's safety standards.
    The use of modern computer systems would allow the regulator and 
industry to access models in real time as the project evolves, 
providing a more accurate and timelier picture of the program and 
better matching performance demands of today's complex aircraft. 
Similarly, in lieu of extensive flight-testing that may pose risks 
without compensating benefits, tools exist today that allow these 
activities to be conducted through integrated labs, and computational 
models and simulation. However, the FAA lacks the requirements, policy, 
and even a vision for a future state of aircraft certification where 
these capabilities are leveraged to their greatest extent.
    It is GAMA's recommendation that the Committee direct the FAA to 
contract with a federally funded research center or other qualified 
entity to evaluate how best to foster continuous improvements in the 
certification system. This should include examining model-based systems 
engineering techniques and new means to validate and verify aircraft 
designs, particularly with software. The study should also review other 
countries' certification processes to identify the best procedures, 
practices, and tools that could be adopted by the U.S. and evaluate 
policies to enable the increased use of simulators/integrated test 
facilities to reduce use of high-risk flight testing. The review should 
include input from FAA certificate holders and also be focused on 
fostering advancement of safety management systems. To further this 
critical review, the FAA should be directed to utilize the SOCAC to 
help facilitate implementation of ACSAA as well as look at other 
improvements for the certification process.
    While I have focused my testimony to this point on these critical 
certification issues and regulatory improvements, the Committee also 
can take action on the following issues that will benefit safety and 
the aviation system:
        Advancing Workforce Development in the Aerospace Sector
    An important complement to efforts to enhance FAA's technical 
workforce is to attract and retain a competent and capable workforce 
for the aviation industry and at our member companies. Our industry is 
currently struggling to fill technically skilled jobs to operate, 
maintain, and manufacture aircraft. This workforce challenge will 
become even more acute as aviation evolves through innovation, which 
will require a workforce that is more diverse and with broader 
competencies and new skill sets. We appreciate the leadership shown by 
the Committee in this area.
    The 2018 FAA reauthorization provided DOT with the authority to 
provide up to $10 million in grants to facilitate workforce development 
of pilots and maintenance providers.\4\ We appreciate and thank members 
of this committee and the Congress for the important funding provided 
to date.
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    Our membership believes the scope and funding for these programs 
should be significantly expanded, particularly given our understanding 
that demand for this funding has been significant. We also believe the 
program should specifically include manufacturing workers as an area of 
focus to complement the prior focus on pilots and maintenance. In 
addition, the upcoming reauthorization should include a provision to 
measure results and provide feedback from participants, engage school 
counselors more directly in aviation workforce efforts, and facilitate 
training to teachers on how to start and conduct a successful aviation 
education program. Attention should also be paid to track how a program 
applicant will connect students with either jobs or the next step in 
the education process (for example, from high school to college or a 
technical school) to sustain a pipeline of talent to the industry long-
term and emphasize activities that engage, educate, and equip 
participants to directly feed into the aviation sector and provide the 
next generation of safety-focused aviation professionals.
                 Managing and Coordinating Spectrum Use
    Our membership utilizes spectrum and supports efforts to ensure its 
availability to meet aviation's operational and safety requirements. 
There has been a clear lack of coordination amongst industry and 
government stakeholders to consider all impacts of spectrum use and 
facilitate desired outcomes. This ultimately has significantly negative 
impacts upon aviation and broader stakeholders, including those in the 
telecommunications sector seeking to deploy and utilize spectrum. While 
we know there are limits to how this issue can be addressed in an FAA 
reauthorization bill, we believe that there are still some steps that 
can be taken in the legislation to ensure the protection of aviation 
safety and enhance coordination while efforts continue more broadly.
    We suggest policymakers require the FAA to coordinate with a 
reputable third party (such as the National Academy of Science) to 
report to the Committee on a strategy for protecting aviation equities 
in the radio spectrum. The strategy should include a process for the 
FAA and the aviation community to properly and thoroughly review 
proposed spectrum reallocations (including through auctions) to ensure 
that any comments, objections, or technical concerns from aviation 
stakeholders in any FCC proceeding are definitively assessed and 
addressed at a technical level to those stakeholders' satisfaction. The 
report should also develop an improved spectrum process and road map 
that could help meet the future needs of the aviation system in a way 
that also supports other private sector applications that are rapidly 
expanding and have societal value.
              Addressing Piston-Engine Aircraft Fleet Fuel
    The FAA has joined with aviation and petroleum industry 
stakeholders to work toward transitioning to lead-free aviation fuels 
for piston-engine aircraft by the end of 2030. The Eliminate Aviation 
Gasoline Lead Emissions (EAGLE) initiative will expand and accelerate 
government and industry actions and investments as well as establish 
the necessary policies and activities to permit both new and existing 
general aviation aircraft to operate lead-free, without compromising 
aviation safety and the economic and broader public benefits of general 
aviation. We recognize that this is very ambitious, and each of the 
organizations involved is fully committed to EAGLE's success with work 
well underway.
    The importance of this initiative to general aviation and U.S. 
transportation infrastructure cannot be overstated. There are more than 
13,000 different airports which service a U.S. fleet of roughly 170,000 
piston-engine general aviation aircraft. This year, the Environmental 
Protection Agency is moving forward with an endangerment finding which 
will trigger a process under the Clean Air Act for regulatory activity 
to eliminate lead emissions and ban the current 100-octane low-lead 
(LL). The clock is ticking, and we need to move quickly to facilitate 
deployment of a viable unleaded replacement fuel or fuels. The fuel or 
fuels should be FAA approved as meeting the safety requirements of the 
existing fleet of aircraft and should also be economically produced and 
distributed to reach the market of airports across the U.S. In the 
interim, the safety and viability of general aviation depend on 
ensuring the continued, uninterrupted availability of 100-octane LL 
fuel at airports until an unleaded solution is identified and widely 
available. Additionally, the EAGLE initiative is currently looking at 
areas for potential federal investment to facilitate this transition 
and we would like to work with Congress as these initiatives are 
developed.
                       Aviation Funding Stability
    GAMA recognizes that this Committee has supported legislation in 
the past to provide targeted stability for the aviation system to 
function in the event of a U.S. government shutdown. This initiative is 
important for protecting the air traffic system and critical elements 
of aviation safety.
    Prior legislative efforts proposed enabling the FAA to tap into the 
Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) during a lapse in appropriations, 
to ensure no FAA employees are furloughed or work without pay. We know 
from experience that shutdowns are harmful to the FAA, the economy, 
small business, and safety. As a result, we encourage policymakers to 
work together in a bipartisan manner to ensure that FAA is sufficiently 
authorized and funded so it can provide, without interruption, its 
critical safety oversight and management and operation of the air 
traffic control system.
                     Air Traffic and Strategic Plan
    The FAA should also be directed to revitalize their strategic plan 
and vision for the modernization of the air traffic control system. The 
past modernization effort placed a milestone in 2025, but this should 
not be the end of efforts to make the National Airspace System (NAS) 
safer, increase its capacity, or improve the efficiency of the NAS to 
realize environmental, operational, and financial benefits. The FAA 
needs to be challenged as part of the reauthorization to look to the 
future and present a clear plan.
    The new plan must continue to build on past successes in deploying 
Performance Based Navigation (PBN), especially for departures and 
arrivals; shifting strategic air-to-ground communication from voice to 
data communications; and deploying a second-to-none surveillance 
infrastructure. It must also address emerging challenges including the 
operation of new entrants like UAS and powered-lift aircraft or AAM, as 
well as commercial space operations. The FAA should collaborate with 
stakeholders on this long-term vision and strategic plan to develop the 
future flight plan but also ensure near-term initiatives for 
sustainment and modernization within the agency's budget horizon are 
fully addressed.
                                Closing
    As I have discussed in this testimony, the aviation manufacturing 
sector's advancement of safety and substantial contribution to the U.S. 
GDP depend on the FAA functioning at 100% of its capability; the FAA's 
ability to undertake in a timely manner the regulatory actions, 
approvals, and engagement to bring aircraft, engines, avionics, and 
other new technologies and products to the U.S. and global marketplace; 
the FAA's effectiveness in working with industry to strengthen its 
safety oversight and technical expertise; and the FAA's global 
leadership and engagement to foster regulatory cooperation among 
aviation authorities. The actions of this Committee are essential in 
the success of these efforts, and we appreciate your consideration of 
GAMA's views on FAA reauthorization today. We look forward to working 
with you to ensure the FAA and the aviation industry represents the 
gold standard.

    Mr. Graves of Louisiana [presiding]. Thank you, Colonel.
    Next, we have Ed Bolen, president and chief executive 
officer of the National Business Aviation Association. You are 
recognized for 5 minutes.

 TESTIMONY OF ED BOLEN, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, 
             NATIONAL BUSINESS AVIATION ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Bolen. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member 
Larsen and members of the committee.
    I think it has been stated today that the U.S., since the 
Wright brothers, has been the world leader in all aspects of 
aviation. And the foundation of our success in aviation has 
been safety. Working together, legislators, regulators, and 
industry, we have made aviation the safest mode of 
transportation. It is an incredible record of success.
    But I think everybody here knows a great threat to success 
is complacency. It takes constant improvement to get to be the 
best. It takes constant improvement to stay the best. If you 
are not constantly improving, you are not keeping up. And with 
this FAA reauthorization bill, we have an opportunity to remain 
the best, to constantly get better, to avoid complacency, and 
to make sure that we never fall behind.
    NBAA comes forward to this hearing today with 10 
recommendations where we can provide targeted solutions to 
recognized challenges. And the first is: Let's get a bill done. 
Ranking Member Larsen talked about space between 2012 and 2018. 
We had over 20 continuing resolutions. CRs don't help us 
constantly improve.
    The second thing I would say is don't allow safety to ever 
be shut down. In the past we learned that Government shutdowns 
impact the FAA. It doesn't have to be that way. The FAA is a 
safety organization. We have a trust fund. We have unobligated 
balances. We can use those balances to make sure the important 
safety work continues to get done regardless of the 
environment.
    I would also urge us to encourage innovation. The FAA has 
got a mission to promote safety and efficiency. They can do 
that by enabling the technologies, the performance standards, 
the operations that enhance safety sustainability and allow us 
to have more air mobility, providing access for everyone.
    Digitization. My friend, Colonel Bunce, talked about how we 
would find ourselves at times in black holes. Digitization will 
help us understand where things are and how we can get them 
done quicker. This includes the registration, certification, 
permits of exemption, letters of authorization, even medicals. 
Digitization is something we need to make sure we are doing and 
we are doing well.
    Workforce is a critical part of our ability to stay the 
world's best. In the last FAA bill, we required a Women in 
Aviation Advisory Board, a youth task force. Recommendations 
are coming forward. What we need to do now is look at those 
recommendations and see what is actionable. We need to attract 
and develop and retain the best and the brightest. That means 
looking in new places, finding underrepresented communities and 
allowing them to populate our industry, our workforce, and the 
FAA itself.
    We also need to focus on ensuring privacy for people who 
are on general aviation aircraft. We know as recently as 
yesterday the DOT talked about the danger to security when 
people have real-time information where specific individuals 
are. We need to focus on SMS. A new notice of proposed 
rulemaking has been issued. SMS is a remarkable safety tool, 
but it has to be done right. The tool has to be sized for the 
job. You can't use a saw when you need a scalpel.
    We need to get the NOTAMs right. We talked about it today. 
This is something that we have been working on for a very long 
time. But in a world where there is a lot of data available, we 
have got to condense it to information and make sure it is 
always out there.
    We need to also address the 5G issue that we have been 
working on so hard. We have got to make sure that we have got 
alternative means of compliance or radar altimeter set for GA 
airports and make sure we are able to do that.
    And finally, we need to continue to work together: 
Congress, the FAA, and industry. Where we have seen dramatic 
advancement is when we share our information, when we 
collaborate, in the commercial world through CAST and in the 
general aviation world through our joint steering committees. 
Together we can ensure we remain the gold standard.
    Thank you very much.
    [Mr. Bolen's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
Prepared Statement of Ed Bolen, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
                 National Business Aviation Association
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the 
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, thank you for holding this 
hearing to address aviation safety. On behalf of the National Business 
Aviation Association's (NBAA's) 11,000-member companies, I am honored 
to testify at this hearing.
    NBAA's members, many of which are small businesses, rely on general 
aviation aircraft to meet some portion of their transportation needs. 
These aircraft provide connectivity to communities in every state and 
nearly every congressional district, which is especially critical to 
communities with little or no airline service. Business aviation is 
keeping small businesses globally competitive and bolstering our 
national economy with 1.2 million American jobs and $247 billion in 
economic output.
    The aviation industry overall--from commercial aviation, to general 
aviation, manufacturing, Advanced Air Mobility and other emerging 
technologies and associated businesses--accounts for more than five 
percent of the United States gross domestic product. Considering the 
vast challenges facing the FAA, and the opportunities that lay ahead, 
swift passage of a new 5-year, bipartisan authorization will help set 
the agency on a stronger path for the future and ensure continued 
success of the industry. The NBAA urges Congress to prioritize on-time 
passage of FAA Reauthorization before the current law expires on 
September 30, 2023. We applaud Chairman Graves for setting a goal of 
passing a bill through the House of Representatives by July 1, 2023, 
and for getting to work right away with today's hearing.
                     A Legacy of Safety Leadership
    NBAA appreciates Chairman Graves and Ranking Member Larsen for 
choosing safety as the topic for the Committee's first hearing on FAA 
reauthorization. Since the dawn of flight, safety has been integral to 
everything we do, on the ground and in the air. Since NBAA was founded 
in 1947, we have been intentional in developing partnerships with 
government leaders and other stakeholders to deliver the products, 
procedures and policies that continually increase the safety of flight.
    Because of this continued, comprehensive focus on innovative 
approaches to safety, aviation is the safest mode of transportation, 
and the U.S. stands as the global leader in aviation safety. Safety is 
not a destination, it is a journey and a practice that requires 
vigilance and a supportive culture to thrive. Although the business 
aviation community has built an impressive safety record, there is room 
for improvement and we will continue to strive to do better.
    An FAA reauthorization bill offers an opportunity to consider not 
only the innovations that have made America the world's aviation safety 
leader, but also the additional measures that will be needed to 
maintain this leadership position five, 10 and 25 years from now. 
General aviation (GA) has a strong role to play in shaping the future, 
in part because it is the proving ground for the industry. GA is where 
aviation was born, and it's the point of entry for many in the 
community, from the pilot's first hours of flight to the mechanic's 
first oil change. NBAA and the business aviation community greatly 
appreciate the opportunity to be an active participant in the 
development of this safety plan for the future through a new General 
Aviation title under FAA Reauthorization.
           Safety Leadership Through Pioneering Technologies
    As this committee knows, many of the technologies and solutions 
that have revolutionized aviation safety were born in the business 
aviation community. We led the way with GPS, a transformative 
navigation and safety technology. We led the way in development of 
airborne collision-avoidance systems that ensure situational awareness 
at all altitudes. We led the way in developing enhanced vision systems 
that can identify unanticipated ground obstructions in thick fog, and 
see through clouds to locate terrain while in flight.
    We partnered with the FAA in integrating the Reduced Vertical 
Separation Minimum (RVSM) technology that has vastly increased the 
efficiency and safety of aviation system management. Similarly, we were 
the early adopters of Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-
B), a cornerstone technology for ushering in the next generation 
aviation system's enhancements to safety, as well as efficiency and 
sustainability.
             Safety Leadership Through Data-Based Programs
    Of course, the deployment of world-leading technologies has been 
only one piece of the safety equation for aviation. The development and 
implementation of innovative programs that identify the root causes of 
safety threats, and offer proven ways to eliminate them, is also a key 
building block for a solid safety foundation.
    For example, 20 years ago, NBAA and its members joined with the 
International Business Aviation Council in developing the safety 
focused International Standard for Business Aircraft Operations (IS-
BAO), a set of best practices focused on safety management as a data-
driven team effort, including pilots and cabin crew, schedulers, 
dispatchers, maintenance technicians and others. Since the program's 
founding, more than 700 business aviation operators in 35 countries 
have become IS-BAO registered, improving their safety risk profile.
    Today, the business aviation community is an active participant in 
a variety of government-industry programs that aggregate operational 
data to identify risks, capture behaviors that contribute to accidents, 
and pinpoint ways to mitigate those events. As just one example, we can 
point to the FAA's Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing 
program, also known as ``ASIAS,'' in which more than 150 organizations 
capture and coordinate data and other information critical to avoiding 
a variety of unusual events, including bird strikes, mid-air 
collisions, course deviations and other aviation safety hazards.
    NBAA has promoted ASIAS through discussions at our National Safety 
Forum on specific aviation hazards, during the NTSB Roundtable 
discussion at NBAA Business Aviation Convention and Exhibition (NBAA-
BACE), in articles published in NBAA's safety-focused Business Aviation 
Insider magazine, and through our ongoing engagement at the ASIAS 
Executive Board and GA Issues Analysis Team governance levels within 
the program.
    As part of Safer Skies, launched in 1998, the FAA and the general 
aviation community jointly pursue a goal of reducing GA fatal 
accidents. The General Aviation Joint Safety Committee (GAJSC) uses a 
data-driven, consensus-based approach to analyze safety data to develop 
specific interventions that will mitigate the root causes of accidents. 
The GAJSC focuses on proactively assessing data to identify new 
emerging issues and threats to general aviation safety, analyze them, 
and develop mitigation strategies to address and prioritize safety 
issues to prevent accidents. NBAA, a founding member of the GAJSC, has 
supported the valuable safety studies and analyses conducted by this 
group, and worked to educate our members on the tools created to 
address specific safety risks.
    The current goal is a safety improvement over the FY18 target of 
1.00 fatal accidents per 100,000 flight hours to a FY28 target of 0.89 
fatal accidents per 100,000 flight hours.
                Leadership in Safety Policy Development
    A comprehensive approach to safety involves not just an investment 
in new technologies, or simply the development of risk-mitigation 
programs, but also a continuing commitment to an effective and tailored 
policy framework that matches the size and operational realities of 
business aviation. For a safety mandate to realize the benefits it 
seeks, it must have flexibility to scale, to fit the largest commercial 
operation, or the smallest charter business. NBAA and its members have 
led the way in this area.
    For example, the business aviation community has most recently been 
focused on a policy proposal put forward by the FAA in January, which 
would extend the requirement for implementation of Safety Management 
System (SMS) programs beyond those for the airlines to many business 
aircraft operations.
    While NBAA and its members have always supported rigor in ensuring 
everyone involved in a flight maintains a premium on safety, we know 
that an SMS suited for the largest airline will not likely be 
transferable to a small operation with a single airplane.
    We can look outside of the United States to learn lessons as we 
review the FAA's new proposal. Our focus will be on ensuring that any 
resulting program is not only flexible, but also meaningful in driving 
safety, rather than confusion due to compliance burdens and other 
missteps that have been characteristic of the introduction of SMS for 
business aviation in Canada and elsewhere.
    Canada's SMS implementation in the mid-2000s created significant 
industry concerns due to lack of scalability and the government's poor 
transition from a historic view of prescriptive oversight to one where 
risk is defined by the operator. As a result, it has taken nearly two 
decades to modernize those initial regulations so that they reflect the 
vast diversity of operations subject to the mandates involved.
    A similar operator experience with the SMS rollout in New Zealand 
was recently publicly shared in AvWeb:

        ``We've gone through SMS in New Zealand . . . We were promised 
        from the start that it would be scaled to the size of our 
        operations, but in the end we had to do all the requirements, 
        even if the CAA [Civilian Aviation Authority] guys acknowledged 
        it made little sense for us . . . The hardest part of 
        implementation was a lack of understanding from CAA about SMS, 
        since they were quite new to it as well, so we had little 
        effective guidance (despite a lot of effort on their part) and 
        a lot of inconsistent directives.''

    The U.S. aviation industry cannot afford to repeat the poorly 
developed SMS deployment we have seen elsewhere. We must get this right 
from the start in order to leverage the safety benefits that we know 
SMS can deliver. The business aviation community has experience 
partnering with the government in the development of effective, 
customized policies, and we enthusiastically welcome the same approach 
to the consideration of SMS requirements for our sector.
              A Culture That Recognizes Safety Achievement
    A key strategy for continually enhancing business aviation's safety 
posture is to cultivate and acknowledge excellence in safety leadership 
within the industry. Everyone--from the pilot, to the cabin crew, to 
the dispatcher, to the maintenance technician and beyond--has an 
important role in the safety of flight.
    With this in mind, NBAA in 2022 launched its Business Aviation 
Safety Manager Certificate Program. This completely online 
accreditation was designed to educate individuals to effectively manage 
a business aviation organization's proactive safety efforts. It 
includes an in-depth look at the four elements of an SMS, including 
Safety Policy, Risk Management, Safety Assurance and Safety Promotion, 
as well as modules on Safety Leadership and Emergency Response.
    The effort goes beyond initial education, by connecting certificate 
applicants to each other, in a community of engagement through peer-to-
peer learning that fosters continuous safety improvement across the 
board, while also meeting the specific operational needs of any given 
aviation operation. In just a single year since this program's launch, 
more than 300 people have completed the course, obtaining recognition 
for safety leadership, while building an enduring peer community of 
safety advocates in business aviation.
    NBAA honors safety leadership in other important ways. For several 
decades the association has annually issued its Flying Safety Awards, a 
standards-based honor that recognizes exceptional achievement in safe 
flying operations, and pays tribute to the skill of a company's 
management, maintenance, pilot and support-personnel teams. NBAA's 
Safety Committee, one of its oldest committees, administers the 
annually issued Dr. Tony Kern Professionalism in Aviation Awards, which 
specifically honor individuals for outstanding professionalism and 
leadership in support of aviation safety. The committee's newest honor, 
the Above and Beyond Award, is given to individuals whose application 
of safety best practices played a key role in avoiding injury, loss of 
life, or catastrophic aircraft damage in hazardous flying 
circumstances.
            Leveraging the Safety Benefits of New Technology
    A solid foundation of safety has been built over the last several 
decades through products that enhance safety, programs that ensure 
safety remains job one in aviation, policies that build on the many 
gains made in flight safety, and, promotion of leadership in the safety 
arena. That said, the aviation landscape is continually evolving, and 
the industry's approach to safety must evolve with it.
    Consider the continuing breakthroughs in aviation technology that 
are delivering a myriad of benefits--from speed, to fuel efficiency, to 
safety--and how those advances might offer an opportunity to update 
regulations to match the safety benefits they deliver. For example, 
current federal mandates require pilots to use supplemental oxygen at 
high altitudes in pressurized aircraft. If one pilot leaves the 
controls of an airplane while it is at high altitude, the remaining 
pilot at the controls is required to use an oxygen mask, to reduce the 
possibility of an accident caused by a decompression incident, until 
the other pilot has returned to the controls. The development of new 
technologies allow for the oxygen requirement to be reconsidered: 
specifically, advances made in pressurization and hull design have 
introduced multiple layers of safety not available decades ago, and 
have dramatically reduced the need for a supplemental oxygen mandate to 
address a depressurization event.
    We commend Congress for recognizing this reality by amending the 
rule on supplemental oxygen under the Federal Aviation Administration 
Reauthorization Act of 2018, for operations conducted under Part 121, 
to allow a crew to operate safely up to 41,000 feet without 
supplemental oxygen. The NBAA is urging Congress to apply the same 
standard to operations conducted under FAR Part 135.
           Accelerating Technology Upgrades to Improve Safety
    As important as new technologies are in offering game-changing ways 
of thinking about safety, it is equally important to ensure that 
critical legacy technologies receive the resources needed to stay at 
the cutting edge.
    As one example, the United States Notice to Air Missions System 
(USNS) is a critical aviation safety technology. The USNS is intended 
to provide always-up-to-date safety notices for pilots, with real-time 
information about airports and airspace to help ensure a flight is 
conducted safely.
    Unfortunately, needed upgrades to the technology that would provide 
for enhanced customization of information and other beneficial safety 
features are years behind schedule. As a practical matter, a pilot 
might be required to needlessly sift through reams of NOTAM information 
about a flight to ensure its safety.
    For well over a decade, NBAA has urged the FAA to modernize the 
NOTAM infrastructure and enhance the system to ensure pilots have ready 
access to machine-readable, filterable and useful information in the 
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) format used by the 
rest of the world.
    In 2019, the FAA and industry formed the Aeronautical Information 
Reform Coalition, which has been working collaboratively on NOTAM 
reform, with NBAA leading the coalition on behalf of the industry.
    Under the coalition's guidance, the FAA has begun to transition the 
USNS to a new Federal NOTAM System (FNS), but the completion date has 
been met with repeated delays, and the needed enhancements have yet to 
be delivered.
    Unfortunately, as is typically the case with technological 
upgrades, delays ultimately come with a cost: on January 10, 2023, the 
FAA issued a nationwide ground stop due to the need for a USNS reboot, 
following a system outage. Not only did the ground stop impact all 
operators; it also created a cascading effect on aviation system 
operations that was incredibly difficult to recover from, despite the 
full outage lasting only a few hours.
    We applaud the leadership of the House of Representatives in 
passing the NOTAM Improvement Act of 2023; however, more must be done 
to bolster the system so that it utilizes the most updated technologies 
to best inform its users' decisions about safety and other aspects of a 
flight.
    As the administration and Congress investigate what caused the USNS 
outage, NBAA recommends the establishment of clear goals and 
accountability measures for the implementation of FNS, including 
implementation of an FNS with an enhanced capability to deliver 
machine-readable, filterable and useful information in the format used 
by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO); the completion 
of a robust, reliable backup system to FNS, and; an agreement to a 
deadline for the complete transition to FNS. We urge Congress to 
provide the FAA with the resources necessary to achieve these goals.
     Leveraging Technology the Right Way to Capture Safety Benefits
    Technology advancements can deliver undeniable societal benefits, 
but sometimes come with challenges that require mitigation. A recent 
breakthrough in telecommunications technology and the Federal 
Communications Commission's sale of frequency spectrum adjacent to 
bandwidth used by aviation equipment created a critical safety threat 
to aviation users.
    NBAA has been an active party in discussions with regulators and 
industry stakeholders to determine suitable mitigations that would 
enable such networks to safely coexist with critical aviation systems.
    Beginning in 2015, NBAA and a broad coalition of aviation 
stakeholders raised detailed safety concerns about the potential for 5G 
interference with radio altimeters.
    The mitigations to ensure that 5G power levels around many of the 
nation's airports remain lower than allowed by telecommunications 
providers were extended over the course of the past year but are about 
to expire. Currently, only some of the business aviation fleet have 
alternate means of compliance, allowing them to continue all-weather 
access to most airports. For a significant portion of our fleet, there 
is not yet an approved retrofit solution to upgrade the radar altimeter 
with filters to protect from 5G interference.
    Over the coming months, we respectfully recommend that the FAA 
dedicate the necessary resources to approve alternate means of 
compliance or the radar altimeter modifications needed for the general 
aviation fleet to safely operate across our nation's entire airport 
network. We appreciate the Subcommittee's continued attention to this 
critical safety matter.
    Similarly, when the FAA transitioned from ground-based radar to 
ADS-B, a real-time precision, shared situational awareness system for 
pilots and controllers, some unintended privacy and security concerns 
came with it.
    Through ADS-B, unencrypted signals that provide an aircraft's 
flight identification, precise position, and other detailed data are 
widely broadcast to the public. The real-time location positioning of 
aircraft has enabled flight stalking and harassment on the internet and 
in person, creating a serious safety and security threat.
    Individuals who have received threats are in danger because their 
real-time movements and travel plans are available to the public. 
Competitors and nation-states can track where a business aircraft is 
flying, presenting industrial security concerns. This means that to 
protect passengers and operators of general aviation aircraft, the FAA 
must do more to prioritize the development of additional security 
measures.
    For example, the FAA should expedite its work to improve the 
Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) program, which allows operators to obtain a 
random ``aircraft address'' code, which can provide additional security 
and is not tied to publicly available FAA aircraft registration 
records. The FAA should also explore the limitations of the PIA 
program. For example, currently the codes cannot be used for 
international flights or even extended for overwater operations in the 
United States.
    Also, the FAA should work internally and with international 
partners so that privacy addresses can be utilized for all flights. The 
FAA also must plan for the future by studying how to encrypt ADS-B 
signals from aircraft, developing relevant equipage standards, and 
engaging with affected stakeholders for a more effective privacy 
solution.
    We firmly believe that no one should be required to surrender their 
safety, security and business intelligence because they board an 
aircraft--just as people's movements aboard airlines, railroads, and 
other modes of transportation are not the business of cyber-stalkers.
             Addressing Human Factors to Strengthen Safety
    As noted earlier, technologies, and their implications for 
aviation, are a key element in the safety formula, but technology 
cannot replace the human element in the equation. That's why the 
business aviation community places a sharp strategic focus on human 
factors--how fatigue, stress, confusion and other influences can impact 
decision-making--in thinking about safety.
    Take, for example, the misperceptions that can lead a pilot to take 
off or land from a wrong taxiway, runway, or even a wrong airport. 
These incidents are known as wrong surface events. They often involve 
human factors, and reducing them is a top priority for FAA, NBAA and 
the industry. We are actively working with the FAA and other 
stakeholders in the Surface Safety Group focused on developing tools to 
increase situational awareness for pilots at airports with a high 
number of wrong surface incidents.
    The association recently participated in the FAA's Surface Safety 
Symposium, which brought together commercial airlines, ground vehicle 
drivers and general aviation pilots and operators to discuss and 
develop solutions to runway and surface safety challenges. NBAA also 
provided a platform to the FAA Runway Safety organization at its 
October 2022 NBAA-BACE, which included 20,000 attendees from across the 
industry, to have a booth presence in the Exhibit Hall and to engage 
with attendees during the Meet the Regulators session.
    NBAA is also working to reduce runway excursions, another event 
often driven by human factors, in which an airplane inappropriately 
exits a runway. Like incursions, these events require strategically 
driven mitigation planning, along with tools developed by experts for 
industry. To that end, the association has gathered some of the best 
expertise on excursions at events, including our National Safety Forum 
in 2022, and continues to publish resources, including our guide for 
Reducing Business Aviation Runway Excursions.
    Another important part of the work to address the impact of human 
factors on aviation safety lies in our sector's focus on mental health 
and fitness for duty. More than a small-bore approach to myriad, stand-
alone psychological and physical symptoms, the work in this area looks 
at the whole person, recognizing that aviation is a physically and 
mentally demanding environment in which a clear mind and well-rested, 
healthy body is essential to safe business aircraft operations, 
maintenance and management.
    Studies confirm the prevalence of this concern, as well as the need 
for both action and compassion on the matter: one recent report \1\ 
concluded that nearly 60% of pilots avoid seeking health care due to 
the fear of losing their aviation medical certificate. NBAA is 
concerned that some aeromedical certification requirements may 
needlessly impede eligibility for pilot certification, severely 
dissuading pilots from seeking treatment for a troubling condition.
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    As with so many other aspects of aviation safety, partnerships 
between industry and government can produce solutions to the problem 
without compromising safety, and we have proven successes with such an 
approach.
    For example, we have worked with the FAA to develop multiple 
pathways for Aviation Medical Examiners (AMEs) to issue airmen medical 
certificates at the conclusion of an exam, thereby minimizing wait 
times for FAA reviews. We have also emphasized the need for AMEs to 
research and identify for aviators the full menu of pharmacological 
treatment options that can safely be used in the aviation environment 
to address a given condition, and to better define the criteria for 
requiring or deferring neurocognitive testing.
    We continue to be an active partner in educating the business 
aviation community on these policies; in the past year alone, NBAA 
hosted an interactive News Hour webinar and a National Safety Forum 
discussion with aviation mental health experts and the FAA Federal Air 
Surgeon. We have engaged with the aviation community on these policies 
at events such as the Experimental Aviation Association's annual 
AirVenture Oshkosh show, the University of North Dakota's yearly 
Aviation Mental Health Symposium, as well as regularly held FAA Human 
Intervention Motivational Study and InfoShare Conferences and FAA GAJSC 
meetings, among others.
    Collectively, these efforts will help address misperceptions about 
mental wellness and fitness for duty, while reducing barriers that 
interfere with obtaining treatment and healthcare, getting pilots the 
help they need, maintaining pilots' livelihoods, aiding employers in 
understanding the readiness of their workforce--and, most importantly, 
enhancing safety.
             Building an Aviation Workforce for the Future
    While safety is the cornerstone to the success of the aviation 
industry, the sector cannot thrive without a strategic approach to 
attracting and retaining the next generation of skilled professionals 
across all capacities. Aviation is currently facing a shortage of 
qualified pilots, technicians and other workers. According to the 
Boeing company, more than 600,000 new pilots and technicians are needed 
to address projected growth in the next 20 years.
    NBAA applauds congressional approval of the Promoting Service in 
Transportation Act, which was passed into law through the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA).
    Through targeted public service announcements authorized by the 
Transportation Workforce Outreach Program in the IIJA, we will start a 
new dialogue on transportation careers, focusing on the availability of 
advanced technology and good-paying jobs today. With continued growth 
and demand for STEM workers, we must remain competitive by educating 
students about the exciting innovations and technologies under 
development in the transportation industry. We support the full$5 
million appropriation for this program and appreciate the efforts of 
this Committee with House Appropriators.
    We look forward to building on programs from the 2018 FAA bill, 
including grant programs to support the education of future aircraft 
pilots and the recruitment of much-needed aviation maintenance 
technicians. Carefully reviewing and adopting recommendations of the 
Youth Access to American Jobs in Aviation Task Force and the Women in 
Aviation Advisory Board will be an excellent starting point for 
additional workforce provisions.
    At our largest event, NBAA-BACE, we host a ``Careers in Business 
Aviation Day'' that provides workforce development programming as part 
of the ``Collegiate Connect'' initiative. We continue these efforts at 
NBAA's regional events and targeted educational programs by offering 
student-focused programming to educate young people about the many 
career opportunities in business aviation. Through partnerships with 
non-profit organizations, NBAA is also helping to expose, recruit and 
retain new professionals from underrepresented communities. These 
initiatives will help to ensure that the industry remains competitive 
and reflects a more diverse workforce.
    NBAA also actively sponsors targeted initiatives to attract, 
develop and retain underrepresented segments of the population. This 
includes our sponsoring partnership with The Red Tail Flight Academy, 
whose volunteer leaders focus on recruitment that bolsters diversity 
within the aviation industry, including free training for future 
pilots. We are pleased that this program, inspired by the Tuskegee 
Airmen, graduated its first class of future leaders last year. We are 
also a proud partner with Flying Classroom, a program launched by 
aviation pioneer Barrington Irving that aims to teach all students 
about careers in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.
              Meeting the Mission of Safety and Efficiency
    The FAA's mission is to provide the safest, most efficient 
aerospace system in the world. To meet that mission, the agency must 
continually review and improve its processes and systems.
    Over the last few years, a significant backlog has developed in a 
number of areas, including medical certification, aircraft registry, 
letters of authorization and other approvals. These delays slow 
commerce and detract from the agency's mission.
    There is an opportunity to enhance efficiency while at the same 
time providing new tools to FAA managers to improve work flows, 
troubleshoot and maintain accountability, by transitioning analog 
processes to digital platforms. Digitizing the application process for 
review and approvals of certification, registration, Petitions for 
Exemption and Letters of Authorization would greatly improve efficiency 
at the FAA. Moving to a digital environment would deliver processing 
efficiencies that would benefit both the workforce and industry 
services and increase transparency for both the FAA and industry. Under 
FAA reauthorization, the NBAA recommends that the Congress direct the 
Administrator to identify and execute three programs within the agency 
for digitization.
    Threats to the safety and efficiency mission of the FAA have taken 
on an even more profound meaning when the agency has been faced with 
the government shutdowns that have taken place in recent years. When 
such a scenario presents itself, several weeks and countless work hours 
prior to a looming shutdown are spent preparing each of the FAA's lines 
of business for the lapse in federal spending and the inevitable, 
devastating disruptions to the FAA's core functions.
    If a shutdown does come to pass, thousands of FAA employees are 
furloughed, delaying training, pilot certifications and safety 
authorizations, and halting the movement of new aircraft into service. 
In short, on several levels, an agency shutdown amounts to an alarming 
safety concern.
    Some steps have been taken to address this concern; for example, 
NBAA appreciates the committee's work in deeming the FAA's Aircraft 
Registry an essential service under the FAA Reauthorization Act of 
2018. That said, further steps need to be taken to provide for the 
continuity of business at the agency, and solutions are available.
    For example, during a shutdown, taxes continue to be paid into the 
Airport and Airway Trust Fund, which could be used to continue 
operations, or pay FAA employees. NBAA urges Congress, under the FAA 
Reauthorization, to provide the agency with additional flexibility to 
use trust fund revenues to continue operations during a government 
shutdown.
    The United States has a treasured asset in the National Airspace 
System. It is unmatched around the world in its size, diversity of 
users, complexity of airspace and safety record.
    Our aviation system, as a public asset, is best overseen by the 
federal government and Congress to serve all Americans. Congress should 
codify that the U.S. aviation system should be managed efficiently, 
safely, and provide access for all stakeholders by leveraging proven 
tools and airspace-management techniques to address recurring 
challenges such as weather, congestion, equipment failure and national 
emergencies, even as we continue to transform the aviation system to 
meet the needs of the future.
            Applying the FAA's Gold Standard to New Entrants
    America has a unique opportunity to enhance its gold standard in 
aviation safety and export its approach to safety globally through the 
safe and efficient integration of new technologies including Advanced 
Air Mobility or electric vertical lift and takeoff (eVTOL), unmanned 
aircraft systems and electric aircraft, among other new technologies.
    Modern aviation was born on America's shores with the first powered 
flight in Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. We led the transition from piston 
engines to the jet age. We pioneered air traffic control technology and 
airspace policies that created the safest, most efficient and most 
diverse air traffic system in the world. Our robust aviation 
infrastructure is unparalleled and our workforce, while greatly 
affected by the COVID pandemic, remains the most agile, innovative and 
sought-after in the world. We have the potential to continue to lead 
the next phase in the evolution in aviation with AAM, the public demand 
is high, but competition with other nations to be first is fierce and 
rapidly advancing.
    Among other considerations, this means the FAA will need to keep 
pace with the type certifications and promised regulatory schedule, so 
that the first AAM commercial operations can occur as soon as 2024. 
Transparency, predictability and accountability are key markers on this 
path. The FAA should enable utilization of existing infrastructure to 
accommodate initial operations, and focus on hiring the workforce with 
the right technical expertise to facilitate the safe integration of new 
technologies.
    Achieving these milestones over the next five years will be 
critical, if we are to fully scale this promising new technology, and 
NBAA is pleased to know that this Committee will include a New Entrants 
title in FAA Reauthorization to help achieve this goal.
    In short, we stand at a pivotal juncture--the investments and 
policy decisions we make today will determine whether we harness the 
full safety, economic, environmental and national security potential of 
AAM and maintain our position as a global leader in aviation and 
aerospace.
                Aviation Safety in Focus on the Horizon
    The next FAA reauthorization will require new ways of thinking 
about aviation safety in order to prepare for ever-more complexity: new 
entrants, new technologies, new flight-mission profiles, new 
infrastructure needs. Here are three guiding principles for ensuring 
America's continued safety leadership in the global aviation system:
    1.  Strengthen and improve critical FAA systems to meet the 
agency's mission of safety and efficiency and maintain the America's 
position as the global leader in aviation through a strategic approach 
that includes: digitizing the aircraft registry and pilot medical 
certification systems; establishing clear goals and accountability 
measures for the implementation of the Federal Notam System (FNS); and 
coordinating the timely delivery of type certifications and regulations 
to enable the integration of Advanced Air Mobility and other new 
technologies;
    2.  Implement strategic solutions to bolster the workforce and 
attract and retain the next generation of skilled aviation 
professionals across the industry to ensure the nation's gold standard 
in safety;
    3.  Mitigate the serious safety and security threat that emerged 
with Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-B) by making 
improvements to the Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) program.

    The general aviation community appreciates the work of this 
Committee on the 2018 Reauthorization, which set the stage for many of 
the next-generation developments we are witnessing. Our industry looks 
forward to continued engagement as we develop policy solutions that 
strengthen our unrivaled national airspace system, sustain vigilance 
across the industry on safety and maintain the role of the United 
States as the world leader in aerospace.
    NBAA appreciates this Committee's continued leadership and 
willingness to engage with all stakeholders on priorities for a long-
term FAA reauthorization bill, and we look forward to a robust 
discussion about aviation safety.

    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Bolen. And thank 
you for your specific recommendations as we work on the 
reauthorization of the 2018 bill.
    Our final witness is Dr. Kerry Buckley, vice president of 
the Center for Advanced Aviation System Development with MITRE 
Corporation.
    Dr. Buckley, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

 TESTIMONY OF KERRY BUCKLEY, Ph.D., VICE PRESIDENT, CENTER FOR 
    ADVANCED AVIATION SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT, MITRE CORPORATION

    Ms. Buckley. Thank you.
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and distinguished 
members of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, 
thank you for the opportunity to testify before you on the 
past, the present, and the future of aviation safety.
    My name is Kerry Buckley. I am a vice president at the 
MITRE Corporation. It is a nonprofit corporation chartered to 
operate in the public interest, which includes operating 
federally funded research and development centers, or FFRDCs, 
on behalf of Federal agency sponsors. We currently operate six 
FFRDCs, including the FAA's Center for Advanced Aviation System 
Development.
    MITRE has supported the FAA for more than 60 years as a 
trusted and objective mission partner, providing technical 
expertise in air traffic management systems engineering, 
aerospace operations, airspace design, and systems automation 
and integration.
    The United States has achieved our excellent safety record 
through continuous world leading innovation, from automated 
collision avoidance systems half a century ago, to satellite-
based position, navigation, and surveillance today.
    The aerospace community's shared commitment to safety has 
facilitated the trust and cooperation required for 
collaborative safety analysis and data sharing focused on 
detecting risks before they result in accidents. Participants 
in the Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing, or 
ASIAS, program, voluntary submit sensitive data, such as 
onboard flight operations, quality assurance data, and safety 
reports, to identify shared safety risks before they result in 
incidents. Over 45 airlines representing over 99 percent of 
domestic commercial operations, as well as general aviation and 
rotorcraft operators, benefit from their participation. ASIAS 
should build on this history of success by increasing the 
velocity at which data is collected and analyzed, advancing its 
predictive capabilities, and expanding research access to the 
shared data environment to enable collaborative analytics.
    Looking forward, we have a new set of challenges and 
opportunities: Software-intensive systems, autonomous aircraft, 
and cybersecurity to name a few, combined with developments in 
the UAS and commercial space industries. Many of these 
innovations cannot come to fruition without an effective FAA. 
As both the aerospace regulator and operator of the air traffic 
control system, the FAA is often a pacesetter in the 
development and implementation of new systems and technologies. 
On the operational side, its modernization programs establish 
the air traffic control infrastructure affecting not only 
safety but also capacity and efficiency.
    Delays in modernization programs increase both sustainment 
costs and the eventual cost of modernization, squeezing the FAA 
budgets from both sides. Ensuring that modernization plans 
begun under the NextGen are completed, especially those for 
trajectory-based operations, should be a priority.
    There is a risk to system reliability and safety if we do 
not accelerate the shift from sustainment to modernization. 
This will require both substantially reducing sustainment costs 
and prioritizing those modernization activities most critical 
to mass evolution.
    Today, the FAA assures safety for commercial and general 
aviation through a rigorous process of regulation, approvals, 
and compliance checking. These processes are appropriate for 
mature industry but are not agile in the face of innovation in 
an increasingly diverse landscape because they presuppose an 
ability to match legacy regulations to new vehicles and 
operational concepts.
    Congress and FAA should consider moving to a performance-
based system which leverages safety management systems, 
including those in industry and in Government, to monitor 
overall safety-based outcomes. Working with Congress, the FAA 
can create an appropriate regulatory framework while retaining 
the authority to spot check compliance.
    Safety also means ensuring our systems are resilient and 
protected from cyber adversaries. Risks to the FAA from cyber 
attacks and cyber compromise are substantial. Modernizing its 
computer and automation systems addresses legacy risk, but 
there is a continuing need to assess FAA systems for 
vulnerabilities to emerging threats and to apply proven 
technologies and methodologies to prevent, detect, respond to, 
and remediate cyber risk.
    MITRE is a proud part of the aerospace community focused on 
innovation. We will continue to support the FAA and the 
aerospace community in the search for solutions to our most 
pressing challenges so we can all realize the benefits to a 
safe and modern aerospace system.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. And I am 
happy to answer any questions the committee may have.
    [Ms. Buckley's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
Prepared Statement of Kerry Buckley, Ph.D., Vice President, Center for 
        Advanced Aviation System Development, MITRE Corporation
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and distinguished members 
of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, thank you for the 
opportunity to testify before you on the past, present, and future 
vision of aviation safety. My name is Kerry Buckley, and I am a Vice 
President at The MITRE Corporation, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit 
corporation. We are chartered to operate in the public interest, which 
includes operating federally funded research and development centers, 
or FFRDCs, on behalf of federal agency sponsors. We currently operate 
six FFRDCs.
    I am also the General Manager and Director of MITRE's Center for 
Advanced Aviation System Development (CAASD), which is the Federal 
Aviation Administration's (FAA's) FFRDC. MITRE has supported the FAA 
for more than 60 years as a trusted and objective mission partner, 
providing technical expertise in air traffic management systems 
engineering, aviation operations, airspace design, and systems 
automation and integration.
    The United States has the largest, most efficient, and safest 
aerospace system in the world. We have achieved this safety record 
through a shared commitment to safety by members of the aviation 
community, from ground crews deicing aircraft, to FAA inspectors, and 
from aircraft designers to mechanics.
    We have also achieved this safety record through continuous, world-
leading innovation: from automated collision avoidance systems a half 
century ago to satellite-based position, navigation, and surveillance 
today. U.S. aviation continues to be a leader in, among other areas, 
the application of human factors and the development of simulator-based 
training.
    The Role of Public-Private Partnerships in Innovation and Safety
    It was the aviation community's shared commitment to safety that 
facilitated the trust and cooperation required for the development of 
the Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing, or ASIAS program, 
a collaborative safety analysis and data sharing initiative focused on 
detecting risks before they result in accidents.
    The FAA, aviation industry, and MITRE launched ASIAS in 2007. ASIAS 
enables risk-based assessments of emerging systemic hazards as the 
foundation of decision-making to advance safety. This public-private 
partnership (PPP) is an active, robust example of how 15 years of 
dedicated collaborative data sharing can have a positive impact in 
advancing safety.
    Since its inception, ASIAS has completed over 150 studies, which 
have resulted in the voluntary adoption of systemic mitigations, 
including over 20 Commercial Aviation Safety Team, or CAST, safety 
enhancements, as well as numerous other localized mitigations to reduce 
aviation risk.
    One example is an ASIAS study that identified the reasons behind 
the higher-than-expected incidence of flap misconfigurations on 
takeoff. It concluded that the potential for takeoff misconfiguration 
events occurs most frequently when flights are running behind schedule 
and pilots feel rushed to complete their takeoff duties. In particular, 
freezing temperatures and deicing conditions can interfere with the 
normal checklist flow for departures.
    To reduce the risk of human error identified by ASIAS, the FAA 
issued Safety Alert for Operators (SAFO) 14005 to quickly raise 
awareness of the potential for flap misconfiguration during takeoff. It 
did so within weeks of the ASIAS findings to alert flight crews about 
the issue before it could become a more significant risk as the winter 
season approached and temperatures dropped. Three subsequent CAST 
safety enhancements were adopted to reduce the number of flap 
misconfiguration events on takeoff.
    In 2015, ASIAS received the Department of Transportation Safety 
Award, and in 2018 ASIAS and CAST received the Aviation Week Laureate 
Award, which recognized this unparalleled collaboration between 
government and industry to improve aviation safety. Having exceeded its 
first 10-year goal in reducing U.S. commercial aviation fatality risk 
by 83%, CAST now aims for further reductions in risk, leveraging 
industry data and analytical tools from ASIAS.
    MITRE is privileged to be the ASIAS Trusted Third Party, serving as 
the trusted bridge between government, industry, and other 
participants. MITRE serves as data steward, providing the secure data 
environment and related capabilities to protect and manage stakeholder 
data and results, while also executing technical work to answer 
partner-approved research questions.
    ASIAS information is used solely for the identification, 
monitoring, and mitigation of systemic safety issues. ASIAS 
stakeholders voluntarily submit sensitive data (e.g., on-board Flight 
Operations Quality Assurance data and safety reports), enabled by 
assurances in 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 193 that the 
safety information they disclose will not be used punitively. While 14 
CFR Part 193 provides protection from punitive action, participants in 
ASIAS are voluntarily providing sensitive data daily, and they must 
trust that it will be protected from other uses that could impact their 
business. Trust is the bedrock of the ASIAS program.
    When ASIAS launched 15 years ago, four commercial airlines agreed 
to participate and share data for the greater good. Today, there are 
over 45 participating airlines, representing over 99% of all U.S. 
domestic commercial operations. Ten years ago, the program expanded to 
include general aviation, and today MITRE has executed over 150 data 
sharing and participation agreements with general aviation operators 
and data aggregators. Most recently ASIAS expanded to include 
participants from the rotorcraft community.
    The ASIAS process starts with the intake and integration of various 
types of data to create a holistic ``flight story.'' Crucially, ASIAS 
processes require data de-identification (for example, the names or 
other identifying information for participating organizations and 
individuals), ensuring that the focus remains on addressing systemic 
safety issues in a non-punitive manner. This data is the foundation for 
studies and metrics that identify systemic hazards and their 
contributing factors. Study results are shared with safety teams, such 
as CAST and the General Aviation Joint Safety Committee, or GAJSC, to 
develop mitigation solutions, such as adoption of procedures, training, 
or equipment to reduce the likelihood of accidents in the future.
    Public-private partnerships like ASIAS ensure success by moving at 
the speed of trust. Trust has been a core value critical to the health 
and success of ASIAS since its inception. To endure, public-private 
partnerships like ASIAS require a foundation of trust in each partner's 
commitment, believing that each party will follow through in good faith 
according to their agreements. Trust underlies a public-private 
partnership's ability to adapt to changing circumstances and 
objectives.
    The ASIAS model has been so successful that it has been leveraged 
in other industries. One example is the Partnership for Analytics 
Research in Traffic Safety, or PARTS. PARTS applies the same 
collaborative principles we learned from ASIAS to the automobile 
industry, which is itself experiencing rapid innovation. MITRE has 
worked with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 
and nine original equipment manufacturers, or OEMs, that together 
represent almost 80% of the U.S. market, to increase safety for the 
American driving public. Moving at the speed of trust has enabled PARTS 
to rapidly move from initial exploratory meetings in 2017 to executing 
agreements and finishing an initial Phase 1 pilot study by 2019.
    Partners proved willing and able to transfer sensitive data 
including OEM build records, warranty records, and crash records, and 
work collaboratively to conduct safety research. They agree that this 
model offers an improved ability to gain real-world insights into the 
performance of safety technologies, offering opportunities to learn 
from each other and improve safety for all. This is particularly 
striking in an industry that competes on safety, often highlighting 
safety achievements in television advertisement and other marketing 
materials.
    PARTS recently released the results of the largest government-
automaker study to date about the real-world performance of advanced 
driver assistance systems (ADAS) in passenger vehicles. This study 
shows that vehicles equipped with forward collision warning (FCW) and 
automatic emergency braking (AEB) avoid approximately half of front-to-
rear crashes and that AEB performs in all conditions--even when 
roadway, weather, and lighting conditions are not ideal. The study also 
shows that vehicles equipped with active intervention technologies to 
help drivers stay in their lane are effective in single-vehicle crashes 
that lead to serious injury. A key strength of the study was the scope 
of cross-industry data on which it was based, made possible by the 
PARTS collaboration. Participating auto manufacturers provided vehicle 
equipment data for 47 million passenger vehicles from model years 2015-
2020. Added to that was data from 12 million police-reported crashes 
from 13 states, provided by NHTSA. MITRE combined these data sources to 
analyze the effectiveness of six ADAS features in avoiding roadway 
crashes: FCW, AEB, and Pedestrian AEB (all designed to help prevent 
collisions) and lane departure warning, lane keeping assistance, and 
lane centering assistance--features designed to help ensure that 
drivers remain on the roadway. The report, prepared by MITRE, was 
published in November 2022.
    Another example leveraging the ASIAS model is the Railroad 
Information Sharing Environment (RISE), which is a voluntary, non-
regulatory, non-punitive, data-driven safety partnership consisting of 
railroad stakeholders, including Federal Railroad Administration, to 
advance railroad safety.
    These examples illustrate how industry working together at the 
speed of trust can achieve great things for the American public. With 
the support of a trusted third party, like MITRE, this model could be 
applied to other safety-sensitive and critical areas like pipelines, 
supply chain, and more.
    That said, the National Airspace System (NAS) continues to expand 
and change both in capability, via FAA's Next Generation Air 
Transportation System (NextGen) initiatives, and in operational tempo, 
with the advent of Uncrewed Aircraft Systems (UAS) and the continued 
growth of aerospace operations. New safety challenges demand rapid 
implementation of solutions to discover and prevent hazards before they 
become incidents or accidents.
    ASIAS should increase the velocity at which data is collected, 
processed, and analyzed to share safety intelligence more quickly with 
its stakeholders and the broader aviation community. Additionally, new 
entrants, such as UAS, offer new challenges to aviation safety. ASIAS 
should look to adapt to these emerging risks and create new tools to 
analyze previously unknown concerns.
    In the future, ASIAS must also advance its predictive capabilities. 
ASIAS already has tools to proactively identify and examine safety 
concerns that can lead to accidents; however, predictive capabilities 
could go further by anticipating the likelihood of future outcomes. For 
example, artificial intelligence (AI) would give safety teams and 
stakeholders the awareness and tools necessary to more rapidly inform 
decision makers of safety issues.
    Additionally, ASIAS can have an even greater impact by increasing 
external collaboration on analyses conducted by the program. ASIAS 
should identify ways to evolve shared data environments where internal 
program analysts, external stakeholders, and aviation safety 
researchers can come together to spur innovation while adhering to the 
program governance requirements. It is through this collaboration that 
the ASIAS program can continue to be a leader in the global adoption of 
a non-punitive safety culture.
     Modernizing and Integrating Safe National Aerospace Operations
    The FAA's NextGen modernization program has, over the past 20 
years, achieved critical advances in efficiency and safety, including 
Performance-Based Navigation standards, satellite-based operations, and 
data analytics for accident prediction and prevention. NextGen has 
created a strong foundation for where we are today--at the precipice of 
a new and more challenging evolutionary leap.
    Looking forward, we have a new set of challenges and opportunities. 
Software-intensive systems, autonomous aircraft, and cybersecurity, to 
name a few, combined with developments in the UAS and commercial space 
industries. New approaches to addressing these challenges will continue 
to improve safety and facilitate the operations of all participants, 
from new entrants to the original entrant: America's general aviation.
    But many of these innovations cannot come to fruition without an 
effective FAA. As both the aerospace regulator and the operator of the 
air traffic control system, the FAA is often a pacesetter in the 
development and implementation of new systems and technologies. On the 
regulatory side, it determines what is allowed and what is mandated, 
and the processes and standards to do so must keep pace with the 
aviation environment.
    While safety is the overriding objective, the FAA has an essential 
role in increasing efficiency, capacity, and opportunities for growth 
in aviation. The FAA-published Charting Aviation's Future: Operations 
in an Info-Centric NAS outlines how the agency will build on NextGen 
and the foundations of Trajectory-Based Operations to create a more 
agile and flexible NAS for all airspace users. When NextGen 
implementation began in 2008, few could have predicted the multitude of 
new technologies, operations, and opportunities in aerospace and multi-
modal transportation systems that the next 15 years would bring. This 
future requires more agile and scalable automation solutions that can 
extend to many more air traffic facilities, while also ensuring that 
these solutions are resilient to adversaries and system failures. The 
future NAS must safely accommodate these transformational changes, and 
the FAA's vision serves as an initial approach to do that.
    In addition, the Department of Defense's (DoD) airspace needs for 
readiness training and research continue to evolve, placing additional 
demands on the NAS as a shared resource. A cross-agency perspective is 
vital to safely accommodate these competing demands for airspace in a 
flexible and efficient manner. In this regard, I want to commend this 
Committee for supporting Section 1093 of the Fiscal Year 2023 National 
Defense Authorization Act, which authorized the FAA and DoD to conduct 
a pilot program to explore new ways to manage special activity airspace 
to better meet the needs of both organizations.
    Enactment of a forward-looking FAA Reauthorization bill will better 
position and enable the FAA to deliver on its daily operations, its 
modernization efforts, and its role in research and development. Delays 
in modernization programs increase both sustainment costs and the 
eventual cost of modernization, squeezing the FAA's budget from both 
sides. Ensuring that the modernization plans begun under NextGen are 
completed, especially those for Trajectory-Based Operations, should be 
a priority. There is a risk to system reliability and safety if we do 
not accelerate the shift from sustainment to modernization. This will 
require both substantially reducing sustainment costs and prioritizing 
those modernization activities most critical to NAS evolution. Planning 
and carrying out the necessary streamlining and improvement activities 
poses a considerable strategic challenge for the FAA, involving many 
competing demands and priorities that FAA has historically struggled to 
balance.
        Moving Toward a Safe and Optimized Regulatory Framework
    Today, the FAA assures safety for commercial and general aviation 
through a rigorous process of regulation, approvals, and compliance 
checking. These processes are appropriate for a mature industry with 
aviation operations that have been standardized over decades of 
development. However, they are not agile in the face of innovation and 
an increasingly diverse fleet because they presuppose an ability to 
match legacy regulations to new vehicles and operational concepts. As a 
result, the FAA must issue numerous waivers and exemptions, and 
dedicate significant staff effort to adapt the traditional ``means of 
compliance'' regulatory approach to these new entrants. Within this 
system, the FAA's primary means of scaling to demand is to delegate 
authority to review compliance, but with new entrants and technologies, 
that option creates challenges and concerns around the FAA's limited 
familiarity with the new product or service.
    The scale and complexity of the NAS are compounded by the speed of 
change. We all are familiar with nearly daily updates to the software 
on our phones and computers. Under the current regulatory approach, 
changes to software on aviation systems on the ground and in the air 
require the same level of rigor and review as changing physical 
components such as engines. The current approval processes were not 
designed to support daily changes and an iterative product design 
process, and cybersecurity threats make the need for daily changes more 
necessary than ever. To keep pace with innovation while ensuring the 
safety of the NAS, a system is needed that scales by holding regulated 
parties accountable not just for compliance, but also for the safety 
performance of their products and services.
    The FAA describes this performance-based system in the U.S. State 
Safety Program (US SSP) submitted to the International Civil Aviation 
Organization (ICAO). It presents how the FAA will evolve its safety 
management practices in a holistic manner by building on safety 
management principles to proactively address emerging risk. Such a 
data-driven, proactive management of safety performance is possible 
through the collaborative efforts of all parties to monitor their 
safety mitigations and anticipate points of weakness in the system.
    Collaboration is different from more delegation, as a performance-
based system leverages the safety management systems of operators, 
manufacturers, maintenance and repair stations, airports, the air 
traffic organization, and others to monitor the safety performance of 
the entire system from a 360-degree perspective. This focuses the 
approval and oversight functions on the highest risk areas based on 
performance data, and more importantly on predictions of growing areas 
of concern. Multiple perspectives provide independent verification of 
the data and events.
    A performance-based regulatory system, by combining ubiquitous data 
from the digital revolution with advanced analytics to manage safety 
performance, could work in ways that are more predictive, adaptive, and 
agile.
      Predictive: Advanced analytics such as AI could drive 
proactive adjustments to mitigations, inform holistic review strategies 
for organizations in greater need of oversight, and provide more timely 
safety intelligence to guide actions that resolve areas of higher risk.
      Adaptative: The emphasis on monitoring performance will 
provide FAA and the community with a basis for creating performance-
based standards and regulations that are adaptable to innovations of 
the emerging fleets. The FAA needs authority to flexibly respond to the 
diversity of ideas from industry.
      Agile: Safety management systems manage risk by 
continuous, incremental adjustments and self-correction. This should 
shorten the time that risks remain in the system by creating a 
community effort to spot and correct issues from multiple 
perspectives--operator, OEM, maintainer, etc.

    By accelerating its transition to a data-driven performance-based 
agency, the FAA can significantly advance its goals of improving 
safety, increasing efficiency, and remaining world leading. To do so, 
the FAA needs the legislative authority to deploy this approach. 
Working with Congress, the FAA can create the appropriate regulatory 
framework focused on performance safety outcomes while retaining the 
authority to spot check compliance.
    In addition, the FAA must continue to build a robust safety culture 
across its workforce, including use of Safety Management Systems, and a 
program of continuous safety training. This includes applying objective 
and repeatable methods to ensure adequate staffing to meet operational 
needs while balancing emerging workforce trends, in addition to 
evaluating potential improvements to how to accomplish medical 
certification for key roles like pilots and air traffic controllers to 
enable a modernized and more human centered, data-driven risk-based 
approach.
                  Achieving World-Class Cybersecurity
    Safety also means ensuring our systems are resilient and protected 
from cyber adversaries. NAS dependency on GPS is increasing. Risks to 
the FAA from cyber-attack and cyber-compromise are substantial. As the 
FAA continues to evolve its computer and automation systems, those 
risks grow.
    As cybersecurity adversaries become more sophisticated and threats 
increase, there is a continuing need to assess FAA systems for 
vulnerabilities to emerging threats. As digital transformation 
accelerates across private industry and government, new capabilities 
such as cloud, the proliferation of mobile devices, and a growing need 
for data sharing across the aerospace ecosystem, increase the need for 
a modernized cybersecurity approach that is built upon appropriate 
authentication and authorization. The infusion of proven cybersecurity 
technologies and methodologies into FAA operational capabilities must 
keep pace with modernization efforts.
                            Closing Remarks
    Ensuring that the FAA retains its position as a global leader will 
require a collaborative partnership with industry to map the future. 
Industry, academia, international partners, and other associations, 
non-profits, and FFRDCs, must work with the FAA to innovate together. 
Likewise, interagency cooperation has never been more crucial than 
right now.
    At The MITRE Corporation, we are a proud part of the aerospace 
community focused on innovation. As many of you know, MITRE has been 
and continues to be involved in every safety innovation and safety 
challenge that I have mentioned today, and more. We will continue to 
support the FAA and the aerospace community in the search for solutions 
to our most pressing challenges so we can all realize the benefits of a 
safe and modern aerospace system.
    Thank you for the opportunity to provide a statement. I am happy to 
answer any questions the Committee may have.

    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Dr. Buckley.
    I ask unanimous consent that the witnesses' full statements 
be included in the record.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    On behalf of Chairman Sam Graves, I ask unanimous consent 
to enter into the record statements by the American Society of 
Civil Engineers and by the Helicopter Association 
International.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    [The information follows:]

                                 
Statement of the American Society of Civil Engineers, Submitted for the 
                       Record by Hon. Sam Graves
                              Introduction
    The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) thanks the House 
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure for holding a hearing on 
aviation safety. ASCE has long advocated for investing in the safety 
and efficiency of our transportation network, including the aviation 
system. Aviation infrastructure allows people to travel to their 
destinations, facilitates the movement of goods, and plays a key role 
in the nation's economy.
    America's aviation infrastructure received a long-overdue boost in 
November 2021 with the enactment of the Infrastructure Investment and 
Jobs Act (IIJA), which ASCE strongly supported. The legislation 
includes an investment of $25 billion in airports through three 
programs, which concentrate on air traffic control facility 
improvements, ``airside'' projects such as runways, and terminal 
development and connections. This historic achievement--the largest 
investment in our nation's critical infrastructure systems in a 
generation--will be instrumental in generating economic growth and 
narrowing the infrastructure investment gap.
    Passage of the IIJA provides a unique opportunity to improve the 
safety and resilience of our nation's aviation infrastructure. As the 
118th Congress gets under way, ASCE looks forward to working with the 
committee to build on the investments provided through the IIJA and 
urges a timely reauthorization of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) 
programs to ensure aviation safety and optimize investments from the 
infrastructure bill.
    ASCE looks forward to working with the committee to pass an FAA 
reauthorization bill. ASCE urges Congress to reauthorize FAA programs 
before they expire on September 30, as these program are critical to 
ensuring that our nation's airports receive robust and reliable funding 
over the upcoming years.
          ASCE's 2021 Report Card for America's Infrastructure
    Every four years, ASCE publishes its Report Card for America's 
Infrastructure, which grades the nation's major infrastructure 
categories using an ``A'' to ``F'' school report card format. The most 
recent Report Card \1\, released in March 2021, evaluated 17 categories 
of infrastructure and reflected an overall ``C-'' grade. This grade 
marks an increase from the ``D+'' recorded in 2017, indicating the 
country has made some progress in recent years. However, 11 categories 
remained in the ``D'' range, including aviation, which received a 
``D+'' \2\. Often, it is these categories where we have failed to make 
investments needed to maintain the assets that were built 50 years ago 
or more.
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    Fortunately, the IIJA makes progress to reverse decades of 
underinvestment in many of these lowest categories and represents a 
significant down payment on the $2.5 trillion infrastructure investment 
gap that was identified in the 2021 Report Card.
    Efficient implementation of the IIJA will play a major role in 
raising the grades for infrastructure categories such as aviation and 
making our nation's infrastructure fit for the future. Under pre-COVID-
19 projections, our aviation system was set to have a 10-year, $111 
billion funding shortfall. While the IIJA provides $25 billion for the 
nation's aviation infrastructure, Congress now needs to optimize these 
investments and ensure reliable funding going forward through the 
reauthorization of FAA programs.
   Failure to Act: Economic Impacts of Status Quo Investment Across 
                         Infrastructure Systems
    ASCE's report titled Failure to Act: Economic Impacts of Status Quo 
Investment Across Infrastructure Systems \3\ found that inadequate 
infrastructure--including in the aviation sector--significantly hampers 
economic growth. Failure to invest in aging infrastructure negatively 
impacts numerous aspects of the economy, including GDP, jobs, personal 
disposable income, and business sales. Declining airport infrastructure 
affects our nation's ability to import and export goods efficiently, 
driving up costs for American consumers.
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    Failure to Act's trends-extended analyses indicate that funding 
will be available to cover only 57% (approximately $3.5 trillion) of 
infrastructure needs through 2029, and 56.6% ($7.3 trillion) by 2039 
for the aggregate of surface transportation, water transportation, 
airports, water, wastewater, and electricity systems. For airports 
specifically, funding will be available to cover only about 53% of 
needs through 2029. The report found that airports face a funding gap 
of $111 billion through 2029, a gap which is projected to grow to $281 
billion through 2039.
    Underperforming infrastructure at our airports and coastal ports 
will have a negative impact on overall trade. Failure to Act estimated 
a cumulative export decrease of $2.38 trillion between 2020 and 2039. 
The decline in these logistics sectors will be driven by lower trade of 
manufactured, agricultural, and extracted products that require 
wholesaling and storage services.
    Effective implementation of the IIJA and close cooperation between 
federal, state, and local agencies can help improve deficient aviation 
infrastructure systems while strengthening the economy. As the nation 
continues to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic, investments in 
airports can provide both immediate and long-term boosts to the 
struggling American economy and ensure the country remains globally 
competitive in trade and commerce.
         Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization
    Looking ahead, one of ASCE's legislative priorities for this year 
is reauthorization of Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) programs 
before they expire. ASCE supports a multi-year bill that increases 
funding for aviation infrastructure, invests in resilience, and 
advances the safe and efficient delivery of projects.
    The FAA reauthorization funds programs that are vital for the 
safety and efficiency of the nation's aviation system.
    Timely passage of a reauthorization bill is key because FAA 
programs expire on September 30. Prior to the FAA Reauthorization Act 
of 2018, the FAA operated under a series of short-term authorizations, 
leading to costly delays in investment decisions. A prompt, multi-year 
reauthorization would prevent uncertainty with future projects and FAA 
programming.
    ASCE also urges lawmakers to protect airport infrastructure funding 
by increasing Airport Improvement Program (AIP) funding levels and 
eliminating the federal cap on the Passenger Facility Charge (PFC). The 
AIP and the PFC are two critical revenue mechanisms. The AIP, a major 
infrastructure investment program for airports, has had the same annual 
authorization level of $3.35 billion for over a decade. The PFC, which 
is levied on each enplaning passenger at a commercial airport, has a 
federally mandated cap of $4.50. PFC fees can be used to fund FAA-
approved projects that enhance safety or capacity, reduce noise, or 
increase air carrier competition. With a federally mandated cap on how 
much they can charge passengers, airports struggle to keep up with 
infrastructure investment needs.
    Across all sectors of infrastructure, ASCE supports sustainability 
and resilience projects. Specific to aviation, ASCE asks Congress to 
dedicate funds for these types of projects and direct the FAA to work 
with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the 
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) on resiliency initiatives for 
coastal airports. Resilience to both natural and man-made disasters is 
key for airports. A strong cybersecurity network bolsters the 
resilience of the aviation system in the event of communication and 
passenger services issues. Because airports serve as gateways for 
critical supplies during and after natural disasters, it is important 
they develop facilities assessments and recovery strategies that can be 
implemented when these events occur.
    Additionally, ASCE recommends a reauthorization that accommodates 
alternative delivery and advanced construction methods that can 
expedite projects and reduce costs. ASCE also acknowledges the 
importance of aviation services to less populous communities. ASCE asks 
Congress to address the needs of small communities by supporting the 
Essential Air Service Program and the Small Community Air Service 
Development Program.
                               Conclusion
    ASCE remains a staunch supporter of investing in aviation 
infrastructure and promoting safety. A safe and reliable aviation 
infrastructure system facilitates the movement of people to their 
destinations and goods to market.
    With the passage of the IIJA, the nation is on the precipice of a 
long-awaited period of infrastructure investment. The progress of this 
investment will be assisted immensely with the passage of a robust, 
multi-year reauthorization of FAA programs. ASCE thanks the committee 
for holding this hearing and stands ready to assist lawmakers working 
on effective implementation of the IIJA and successful reauthorization 
of the FAA.

                                 
   Statement of James Viola, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
Helicopter Association International, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
                               Sam Graves
    On behalf of the members of the Helicopter Association 
International (HAI), thank you for the opportunity to provide 
testimony.
    As the professional trade association for the international 
vertical flight industry, HAI represents more than 1,100 companies and 
over 16,000 industry professionals in more than 65 countries. Each 
year, HAI members safely operate more than 3,700 helicopters and 
remotely piloted aircraft approximately 2.9 million hours. HAI is 
dedicated to the promotion of vertical flight as a safe, effective 
method of commerce and to the advancement of the international vertical 
flight community.
    For more than 70 years, HAI has provided support services and set 
industry safety guidelines for the international vertical aviation 
community. There is no higher priority than safety for HAI. We 
appreciate the House Transportation and Infrastructure's continued 
focus on safety, and we look forward to continuing to work together on 
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization legislation.
    In this testimony, I will provide HAI's position on some of the 
most pressing safety issues facing the vertical aviation industry 
today.
                               Leadership
    Strong FAA leadership is vital to ensure that the U.S. national 
airspace system (NAS) remains the envy of the world. Vertical aviation 
is on the cusp of major technological advancement with the entrance of 
Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) electric vertical takeoff and landing 
(eVTOL) aircraft and uncrewed aircraft systems (UAS). Recent progress 
on policy development is encouraging, but efficiency and interagency 
coordination remain an issue. We appreciate Congress for acknowledging 
this issue by passing the AAM Coordination and Leadership Act, and we 
encourage the committee to remain vigilant on implementation. FAA has 
not had a confirmed Administrator for far too long. There are more than 
two dozen leadership positions that remain vacant. It is imperative 
that effective leaders are appointed to those positions and that 
sufficient resources are provided.
                        FAA Preemption Authority
    Uniform federal authority is an essential predicate to maintaining 
safe transportation in the nation's airspace. A critical element of 
safety in the National Airspace (NAS) is the standardization of 
aviation regulations--and therefore operational processes and 
procedures. Federal preemption of aviation regulation designates the 
FAA as the sole regulatory authority over US aviation. This clearly 
defined FAA authority has created an operating environment for US 
aviation that provides a system of safety for all operators of all 
categories of aircraft.
                             Infrastructure
    FAA recently issued guidance that would limit access to 
infrastructure for both current and future VTOL aircraft. According to 
the guidance, AAM aircraft would not have access to heliports, nor 
would helicopters have access to vertiports. This contradicts previous 
plans that FAA made public less than a year ago, and it would 
undoubtedly limit the success of AAM in the U.S. since it will require 
all new infrastructure to be permitted for operations to begin. There 
is no inherent safety benefit to arbitrarily restricting access in this 
manner. Whether or not a VTOL aircraft can take off or land at 
vertiport or heliport should be based on performance of the aircraft. 
We urge the committee to ensure FAA maintains access to new and 
existing infrastructure for both current and future VTOL aircraft.
                               Technology
    The FAA's recent Notice to Airman (NOTAM) system failure has 
illuminated an issue that has long been a major concern--FAA is working 
with antiquated technology and must be modernized. We appreciate the 
recent House passage of the NOTAM Improvement Act of 2023, and we are 
hopeful to see legislation introduced and passed in the Senate. As the 
committee continues its work on FAA Reauthorization legislation, HAI 
urges the prioritization of modernizing other systems and technology.
 UAS Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS) Aviation Rulemaking Committee 
                              (ARC) Report
    HAI was pleased to serve on the BVLOS ARC, and we remain committed 
to supporting the safe integration of UAS in the NAS. However, the ARC 
report included several recommendations that, if enacted, will 
compromise aviation safety. Primary, among other concerns, were 
recommendations to establish ``Shielded Areas'' and to undermine 
foundational ``Right of Way'' rules that have protected airspace users 
for decades. For the sake of safety, we ask the committee to reject the 
concept of ``Shielded Areas'' as proposed in the BVLOS ARC Final Report 
and prevent the segregation of airspace and any fundamental changes to 
``right-of-way'' rules. Performance-based detect and avoid requirements 
for UAS BVLOS operations is a practical solution that would maintain 
safety for helicopters and other aircraft that operate in low altitudes 
across this country.
                     Performance-Based Requirements
    Mandating the use of specific equipment as an answer to industry-
wide safety issues is ineffective, potentially hazardous, and prevents 
the industry from being able to realize the benefits of a holistic 
approach to safety.
    HAI supports the Vertical Aviation Safety Team (VAST) and the US 
Helicopter Safety Team (USHST) in the vision of a US helicopter 
community with zero fatal accidents. To support this vision, safety 
solutions need to be performance based and considerate of the diverse 
set of aircraft mission profiles, as well as the complexity of 
installation requirements for varying aircraft makes, current and 
future.
    Prescriptive legislation and regulations do not support the 
flexibility necessary for the industry to leverage the advantages of 
all safety technologies and may close the door to the development and 
implementation of future innovative safety technologies.
    As aviation is an international industry, it is also important to 
take into consideration the regulatory approach of other countries. The 
European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the International Civil 
Aviation Organization (ICAO) are changing to focus on performance-based 
regulation.
                                Airspace
    Airspace congestion resulting in reduced access to low-level 
instrument flight rules (IFR) routes is of serious concern for current 
helicopter operations and future AAM operations. Aircraft, 
communication, and navigation technology advancement has far outpaced 
the development of vertical aviation IFR routes. Helicopter operators 
and pilots struggle to find direct, safe, reliable routes that address 
the specific needs and capabilities of rotorcraft. Increasing the 
number of low-level IFR routes will serve helicopters and future AAM 
and provide spacing from higher level IFR fixed wing traffic.
                            Spectrum Policy
    Prior to deployment, safety concerns over 5G interference with 
radio altimeters were raised by industry, multiple agencies, and 
Congress. FAA Airworthiness Directive (AD) 2021-23-13 places 
restrictions on rotorcraft operations that are required to have a radio 
altimeter. The restrictions apply to part 135 rotorcraft operations and 
part 91 night vision goggle (NVG) operations. FAA approved a petition 
for exemption submitted by HAI that enables NVG operations for 
helicopter air ambulances. Unlike part 121 operations, helicopter 
operators have not been required to retrofit or replace radio 
altimeters, but we understand that FAA may reevaluate the restrictions 
in the AD after July 2023 when additional 5G providers enter the market 
and power levels increase. We encourage the committee to ensure FAA has 
sufficient authority to provide waivers and exemptions. Should FAA 
determine that radio altimeter retrofits and replacements are necessary 
for rotorcraft, we request the committee consider funding for operators 
to cover related equipage costs. We would also request that the 
committee ensure that any equipage required by FAA is implemented in a 
manner that is respectful of the practical considerations of 
development, manufacturing and availability of instruments that are not 
affected by 5G cell tower signals.
           National Parks Overflights Advisory Group (NPOAG)
    HAI has grave concern with how the FAA and the National Park 
Service (NPS) is handling the implementation of the air tour management 
plans (ATMPs) for 23 eligible national parks areas. Our concerns relate 
specifically to the transparency of the completion process, operational 
safety, and lack of economic considerations. HAI firmly believes 
congressional engagement with FAA and the NPS is needed to ensure 
National Park Oversight and Advisory Group (NPOAG) involvement on the 
development of these plans. Industry is willing to work with other 
stakeholders, the FAA, and the NPS to develop a plan that benefits all 
involved.
                         Workforce Development
    Due to pandemic-related economic disruptions, many seasoned pilots 
and technicians retired early over the past year. This has only 
exacerbated the shortage of the skilled personnel the industry needs to 
operate safely and efficiently. We appreciate Congress setting up the 
Aviation Workforce Development Grants programs in the 2018 
Reauthorization Act and likewise express gratitude for the funds made 
available for the programs. The grants have encouraged collaboration 
between schools, aviation companies, unions, and government to find new 
solutions to overcome the existing skills gap and help more Americans 
pursue aviation careers. HAI strongly encourages continued support of 
the grant programs including expanding the eligibility of the program 
to include innovate state programs that enable outreach and education 
to students to get started in the aviation industry.
                          Commitment to Safety
    Ensuring the safety of those who fly--whether pilots, crews, or 
passengers--is always HAI's top priority. HAI has worked with safety 
advocates worldwide to address continued safety improvements for the 
vertical flight industry. The following is an overview of the 
initiatives that HAI has established for the important work of safety.
Safety Management System
    HAI's Safety Management System (SMS) Program allows operators and 
maintenance providers to elevate their safety--effectively and 
affordably. A SMS is a formal approach to managing safety and risk, 
including organizational structures, accountabilities, policies, and 
procedures to identify and control risk. The four components of an 
SMS--safety policy, safety risk management, safety assurance, and 
safety promotion--work together in providing a safety culture. An SMS 
is vital to reducing the number of accidents in our industry, ensuring 
that every person in an organization, agency, or business understands 
that they are responsible for safety.
    HAI's SMS Program services allow users to verify their compliance 
with current and future international and domestic regulations. While 
not all civil aviation authorities currently require SMS programs for 
all operators and maintenance providers, HAI and the National 
Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) have recommended the development and 
adoption of safety reporting systems that allow for data to be 
collected and analyzed and corrective action taken where necessary.
    HAI has partnered with providers to offer scalable SMS solutions to 
member businesses. Additionally, the association supports requiring SMS 
programs for all operations carrying passengers for hire. HAI strongly 
recommends that all aviation operations, not just those carrying paying 
passengers, implement an SMS program. HAI is pleased to have expanded 
the scope of its SMS Program by partnering with the Aircraft 
Electronics Association (AEA) to provide the latter's SMS for aircraft 
maintenance at no additional cost to HAI members.
Aviation Safety Action Program
    An ASAP helps flight operators identify and reduce possible flight 
safety concerns and mitigate risks. It's an easy, open, self-reporting 
initiative offering third-party facilitation, tracking, and 
recommendations for corrective action so operators can enhance their 
overall safety culture. HAI enjoys a partnership with the Air Charter 
Safety Foundation to make the foundation's ASAP available to HAI 
members.
Flight Risk Assessment Tool
    When implementing a SMS, one of the most critical components to 
develop is a Flight Risk Assessment Tool (FRAT). Because every flight 
has some level of risk, it is critical that pilots can differentiate, 
in advance, between a low-risk flight and a high-risk flight, and then 
establish a review process and develop risk mitigation strategies. A 
FRAT enables proactive hazard identification, is easy to use, and can 
visually depict risk. It is an invaluable tool in helping pilots make 
better go/no-go decisions.
    HAI has a partnership with Swiss company NGFT Solutions to offer a 
FRAT module to HAI members. This safety tool's simple question-and-
answer format is designed to help operators objectively and truthfully 
evaluate the potential risks of an upcoming flight and any aerial work 
sites. Once the possible risks are identified, mitigation prompts help 
operators think through strategies to reduce the risk and make flying 
safer.
Land and Live
    HAI promotes the Land and Live program to encourage pilots to 
execute precautionary landings when continued safety of flight is in 
perceived or actual jeopardy. Examples of situations include, but are 
not limited to, deteriorating or unsafe weather conditions, uncertainty 
of aircraft integrity, or potential incapacitation of a required crew 
member.
    HAI worked with the US Helicopter Safety Team to produce the award-
winning ``56 Seconds to Live'' education program. This program provides 
pilots with real world examples to encourage pilots to make 
precautionary landings when flight conditions deteriorate.
Vertical Aviation Safety Team
    One of the most significant safety projects HAI undertook is co-
leading the Vertical Aviation Safety Team (VAST). I'm honored to serve 
as a co-advisor for this group with Miguel Marin, representing the 
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). VAST is a public-
private initiative to enhance worldwide flight-operations safety in all 
segments of the vertical flight industry. Team members comprise 
international regional safety teams; safety authorities, including 
civil aviation authorities (CAAs); and other industry stakeholders that 
work to improve global vertical flight safety. VAST's vision is a 
global vertical flight community with zero fatal accidents achieved 
through cooperation and collaboration.
    In the past, international aviation safety information has tended 
to stay within separate organizational and national silos. VAST intends 
to break down these silos so that aviation safety information can flow 
freely globally. To achieve this end, VAST is engaging its regional 
safety teams to receive, integrate, harmonize, and distribute aviation 
safety data, programs, and recommendations worldwide. Additionally, 
VAST serves as an arbiter between the regional safety teams to ensure 
collaboration on and coordination of these initiatives, as well as the 
sharing of final output.
    International regional safety teams, which consist of national and 
industry stakeholders, are formed to improve the safety of civil 
vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) operations in their respective 
national airspace systems.
    In addition to national civil aviation authorities such as the US 
FAA and the CAAs of the United Kingdom, Sudan, and Colombia, aviation 
safety authorities include jurisdictional agencies, such as ICAO and 
the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), and nationally 
recognized safety organizations such as the NTSB in the United States, 
the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, and the Transport Accident 
Investigation Commission in New Zealand.
    Other industry stakeholders include original equipment 
manufacturers (OEMs), training providers, aircraft operators, service 
providers, and vertical flight industry associations such as HAI, the 
European Helicopter Association, and the Association for Uncrewed 
Vehicle Systems International.
    VAST has five chief goals:
    1.  Establish the organization as the world's most trusted source 
for vertical flight safety information and resources
    2.  Establish working groups to represent key segments and issues 
relevant to the global VTOL industry
    3.  Formalize leadership positions, working groups, and advisory 
roles for participating organizations and individuals
    4.  Identify, collect, harmonize, and deliver centralized access to 
safety information and resources from participating stakeholder 
entities
    5.  Provide and coordinate a forum where regional safety teams, 
safety authorities, and other industry stakeholders work together on 
vertical flight safety issues.
                               Conclusion
    I thank the committee for the opportunity to provide the 
perspective of the vertical flight industry and look forward to 
continuing our work together on these important issues.

    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Prior to Member questioning, I 
want to let the Members and the panel know that votes are 
currently predicted to be about 1:30. If that happens, we may 
end up taking a brief recess and coming back. If this occurs, I 
just want the witnesses to be aware that we may have to take a 
break.
    With that, we are going first turn to the gentleman from 
Florida, Mr. Webster, for questions.
    Mr. Webster, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate 
all this. I thank each one of you for your presentation.
    Lots of questions. I don't know where to start. Captain 
Ambrosi, we as a committee are continuing to conduct rigorous 
oversight on the issue of 5G C-band and what its effect is on 
safety. How are you and your organization engaged in this issue 
and keeping everybody up to speed?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, thank you, Congressman, for the 
question. ALPA is engaged on the issue. I am pleased to report 
that at most carriers, progress is being made towards the 
deadline in July. However, it is unfortunate that we got to 
where we are today on this issue. There should have been a 
better collaboration between the FAA and the FCC on this issue. 
It is something that this body should look at going forward. 
And we are happy to continue collaborating on the issue.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. So, going forward, what 
recommendations would you have to keep everybody engaged?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, the FCC obviously should have 
coordinated with the FAA on this issue early on in the process. 
So, we are behind the scenes now. We are trying to fix this 
after the fact. So, I can assure you that our pilots and our 
members are taking this very seriously and working to ensure 
that every flight is operated in the safest fashion possible.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. So, what are you doing to keep your 
members up to speed on the problems or whatever?
    Mr. Ambrosi. So, the airlines, individual airlines 
disseminate data to the members or to their pilots of where it 
is. The NOTAM system has information that says which airports 
have an issue, which airports may not. Individual fleets, some 
airlines have multiple different airplanes, so, some fleets 
have been converted sooner than others. And we as an 
association also disseminate safety messages to our members on 
an ongoing basis.
    But right now, progress is being made, but we do urge the 
FCC and FAA and the cell phone carriers to continue taking this 
issue very seriously.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. So, do you think it is better today 
as far as just keeping people up to speed?
    Mr. Ambrosi. It is better than it was. In my opinion--I 
have only been on the job for a month, but in my opinion, it is 
better than it was a year ago.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Well, I had another question, and 
that was, do you think that those communications, especially 
with the FCC, is there some sort of snag that we could help 
with, improve, or change so that there would be more 
collaboration?
    Mr. Ambrosi. That is an important question, sir. And I 
would like to take that back to my engineering or safety team 
and find out specifically what they feel would be the best way 
forward. And I will have my team share that with your office 
and the committee.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. OK. Thank you very much.
    Thanks, each one of you, for appearing today. We really 
appreciate it. It is very good information.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you. The gentleman's time 
has expired.
    Five minutes to the ranking member, Mr. Larsen.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
    First question I have is for Dr. Buckley. And if you could 
just maybe briefly explain why the--you live on acronyms--no. 
Could you explain why the ASIAS system as a voluntary system 
works in terms of collecting data, using that data, dealing 
with it objectively as opposed to mandating this process?
    Ms. Buckley. Yes. Thank you for the question on the ASIAS 
program. Certainly as we have heard, commercial aviation is 
safer than it has ever been, and it really is through the 
collaborative engagements through CAST and data sharing through 
programs like ASIAS. We are learning more and more and taking 
proactive actions to addressing emerging issues faster than 
ever.
    Since the CAST's inception, the fatality risk in commercial 
aviation, as we have heard, has dropped 94 percent, resulting 
in the safest period in aviation history. Their work, along 
with new aircraft regulations and other activities, have 
virtually eliminated the traditional common causes of 
commercial accidents, which are controlled flight into terrain, 
weather, and wind shear.
    But having exceeded this goal, their 10-year goal of 
reducing fatality risk by 83 percent, they are looking for 
further risk reductions, and leveraging industry and data 
analytic tools from ASIAS. The ASIAS environment operated by 
the MITRE Corporation is a data environment in which we are the 
third-party trusted partner to bring in data from the operators 
themselves, as well as Government and other types of data, you 
can think about weather and other type of infrastructure data.
    What we use that data to develop are these models to 
understand systemic accidents or threats to accidents or 
issues, and the key to this is that all of the parties 
participating build their participation and collaboration on 
trust. So, we protect the privacy of those who provide it. It 
is a nonpunitive environment.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Can I pause you there?
    Ms. Buckley. Please.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Because I want to get to a 
different question with someone else. But do you think this 
process can flex to apply to the new entrants, the eVTOL drone 
users, or is it specific to the current system we have among 
carriers and other operators?
    Ms. Buckley. Absolutely. And we are very much encouraging 
that shift. So, we already have rotorcraft, and general 
aviation is part of that. Certainly UAS, AAM, and eVTOLs, we 
believe, could really benefit from the type of analytics and 
data sharing that ASIAS offers. And in fact, we see that in 
other modes of transportation as well.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes. Great. Thanks.
    Mr. Boulter, of course, we are doing the reauthorization 
coming up, and I appreciate your comments.
    We have heard the concerns in certification. To achieve 
what we want to do in the reform bill, we need people at the 
FAA. And we have, certainly over the pandemic and probably for 
other reasons, we have lost people at the FAA and other 
agencies, and we are trying to get new people in. But with new 
people comes less experience until they are more experienced.
    Do you have a comment on whether or not that is holding FAA 
back moving forward on certification reforms or on 
certification generally?
    Mr. Boulter. As Mr. Bunce said, it is probably a higher 
volume than normal for the number of folks with not a lot of 
experience inside of aircraft certification. But some of these 
people come from industry and others comes right out of 
college. We look at this as an opportunity.
    I agree with Mr. Bunce that we need to look for unique ways 
to train folks up and maybe accelerate their training beyond 
on-the-job training. But we think we have the right numbers of 
folks. Congress has been very generous to us. For 2023, we 
added 200 additional folks in aviation safety. A year before 
that I think it was another 20O. So, that is part of it as 
well. We have plussed up our numbers so that would put more new 
people in the system.
    We are confident that--we look at this as a real 
opportunity. The folks we are bringing on bring different 
skills to us. Obviously, engineering schools are way different 
today than they were 30 years ago. Having folks of all 
different backgrounds and different skills really will help us 
in the long run. It is going to be a little bit of pain in the 
short run, obviously, with that many folks in training, but I 
think some of these training opportunities we may have could 
accelerate that.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. All right. Mr. Chair, just in the 
final moments, I want to as well recognize the presence of 
Colgan families who are here and thank them for their continued 
advocacy for aviation safety for the entire flying public. I 
appreciate you all being here. Thank you very much.
    And finally, I would ask unanimous consent to enter into 
the record a statement from the Transport Workers Union's 
president, John Samuelsen.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri [presiding]. Without objection.
    [The information follows:]

                                 
Statement of John Samuelsen, International President, Transport Workers 
Union of America, AFL-CIO, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Rick Larsen
    I offer this statement on behalf of more than 155,000 members of 
the Transport Workers Union of America (TWU). The TWU is the largest 
airline union in the U.S. Our members include flight attendants, ramp 
workers, mechanics, dispatchers, pilot instructors, and other 
professionals who keep our national airspace operating safely across 17 
airlines.
    The safety of America's airspace was built and is maintained by the 
frontline workers responsible for implementing our safety rules on a 
daily basis. Flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, ground workers, 
and pilots strive to sustain a culture of safety at our airlines while 
facing increasing headwinds. While many measures--including 
fatalities--continue to showcase the incredible safety possibilities in 
our system, several others--including unruly passenger behavior--
demonstrate the need for continued improvements and oversight.
    As Congress prepares to reauthorize the FAA before the current 
authorization expires on September 30, 2023, we urge you to directly 
address several issues currently undermining the safety of our air 
system.
 Reestablish one level of safety and security for aircraft maintenance
    FAA-certified aircraft maintenance and repair stations, regardless 
of location, are all statutorily obligated to the same safety 
standards. Despite this requirement (and despite twice being directed 
by Congress to ensure one level of safety for these facilities), the 
FAA continues to allow repair facilities located outside of the U.S. to 
operate on lower safety and security standards. The FAA exempts the 
aircraft maintenance facilities it certifies outside the U.S. from 
security background checks and drug and alcohol testing for safety 
critical workers, risk-based safety and security evaluations for 
facilities, unannounced FAA inspections, and certification standards 
for mechanics and technicians.
    The collective weight of these exemptions has created a structural 
disadvantage for U.S.-based maintenance workers which is incentivizing 
offshoring American jobs and increasing our exposure to security and 
safety threats. As the TWU has previously testified to before this 
Committee, we are reaching a tipping point where the amount of 
maintenance being performed out of the country cannot be controlled for 
by the maintenance performed domestically. Fewer than half of the 
286,000 mechanics working on U.S. aircraft are in the U.S.
    The single largest beneficiary of this offshoring is the government 
of China, which owns and operates nearly 100 FAA-certified facilities 
employing more than 23,000 workers maintaining and overhauling U.S. 
aircraft. These facilities perform repairs deep inside of airframes and 
engines, often in places inaccessible in between repairs which may be 
as long as 10-years apart. And they are doing so without any meaningful 
oversight from the U.S. government.
    Last Congress, this Committee recognized the significant threat of 
unregulated maintenance facilities and passed the Global Aircraft 
Maintenance Safety Improvement Act by a wide, bipartisan margin. The 
bill enjoys the support of the Chairs and Ranking Members of the full 
committee and the Aviation subcommittee and went on to pass the House 
by 374-52 last October. We urge you to include this bill in its 
entirety in this year's FAA reauthorization.
                  Prevent assaults on airline workers
    Assaults on flight attendants, gate agents, and other customer 
facing workers in the airline industry have reached a critical level. 
In 2021, the FAA recorded almost 6,000 unruly passenger events onboard 
aircraft and in airports. These incidents of passengers assaulting, 
spitting on, and harassing safety critical personnel pose a major 
threat to our airspace system. The threat of assault is also driving 
these workers out of the industry, as well as slowing recruitment 
efforts.
    While many of these incidents in 2021 were related to mask 
mandates, more than a third of the reported assaults had nothing to do 
with mask enforcement and we have not seen these numbers return to pre-
pandemic levels since the mask mandate was lifted. Incidents of assault 
in our air system were on the rise before the pandemic and actions to-
date have not slowed the trend. We must reduce the number of assaults 
onboard aircraft and in airports to ensure a safe workplace for cabin 
crews and gate personnel.
    Federal law already prohibits assaulting, interfering with, or 
intimidating air crews, TSA agents, and airport workers with security 
duties (49 USC 46503 and 46504). The penalties for these activities 
include fines and jail time; however, nothing prevents these assailants 
from immediately returning to the commercial air system. Airlines are 
forbidden by anti-trust laws from sharing information on potentially 
dangerous passengers--even those who have posed significant security 
threats.
    The Protection from Abusive Passengers Act would prohibit violent 
passengers from utilizing the national airspace after they have been 
convicted or fined for violating existing federal law. These assailants 
would also lose access to trusted traveler programs like TSA pre-check. 
This bill provides frontline aviation workers with a critical level of 
protection. This is a commonsense change that we urge the committee to 
support.
    Additionally, advanced self-defense training is a proactive step 
which would allow crew members to protect themselves in cases of an 
assault or security threat made against the aircraft. Advanced self-
defense training is already offered as a TSAapproved optional training 
for pilots and flight attendants and provides comprehensive hands-on 
and traditional classroom style training in self-defense best practices 
and techniques, tailored to the passenger aircraft environment. This 
training should be mandatory for flight attendants. Specifically, this 
type of training will improve flight attendant capabilities in 
deterring attackers by providing appropriate and effective responses to 
an assailant, including the use of force and appropriate restraint 
techniques.
    To round out these protections, the previous FAA reauthorization 
included a requirement for airlines to develop Employee Assault 
Prevention and Response plans to address violence against frontline 
aviation workers. While most airlines have submitted these plans, the 
FAA does not believe they have the authority to enforce them or 
penalize airlines who ignore this requirement. The next FAA 
reauthorization must clarify the FAA's powers here to include these 
plans in each airline's safety management system.
                Ensure aircraft dispatching remains safe
    Aircraft dispatchers are FAA-licensed professionals who have 
operational control of all commercial aircraft on the ground. 
Dispatchers plan flights, handle weight and balance issues (including 
fuel consumption), and work collectively with pilots and air traffic 
controllers to safely move each flight from takeoff to touchdown. Each 
dispatchers is responsible for as many as 50 flights at a time. This 
function requires a significant level of focus, a large amount of 
highly interconnected infrastructure, and a high degree of security--
which is why the FAA had never allowed dispatchers to operate in remote 
locations away from a dispatching center. In August of 2020, without 
explanation or a protocol for safety oversight, the FAA authorized two 
airlines to remotely dispatch aircraft. While couched as an emergency 
pandemic response, the FAA has expanded this authorization several 
times without explanation or even direction to their safety inspectors 
on how to ensure these carriers are meeting minimum safety standards.
    Remote dispatching raises significant safety concerns. FAA rules 
require dispatching duties to be performed in a secure environment 
protected from physical and cyberattacks; that dispatching workstations 
be capable to handling massive amounts of weather, traffic, and other 
data up-to-the-minute; that dispatchers be subject to random and 
reasonable suspicion drug and alcohol testing; and that work sites have 
distraction mitigations, spot inspections, and other standards in place 
to prevent a degradation of safety. These requirements are difficult or 
impossible to apply in work-from-home conditions. Congress must act to 
ensure the integrity of these rules are not undermined in the name of 
convenience.
  Enable reliable tracking and reporting of toxic cabin air incidents
    To create breathable air at cruise altitudes, most aircraft pull 
oxygen from over their wings, warm this air over the engines, and 
compress it before venting the air into the cabin. This air is then 
filtered and a portion of it is recirculated. However, when engine or 
compressor malfunctions occur, engine oil, jet fuel, or other harmful 
fluids can gasify and leak into the cabin air supply. These ``fume 
events'' can produce potent nerve agents when inhaled or absorbed 
through the skin and can have severe, negative health effects for 
flight crew and passengers alike.
    The Cabin Air Safety Act requires air monitoring equipment and 
detectors be installed on commercial aircraft, the creation of a robust 
system of data collection and reporting requirements, and flight crew 
training on identifying and detecting fume events in real time. These 
measures will help ensure aircraft cabin air is safe for passengers and 
flight crew members.
    Set standards for the next generation of aircraft to be safely 
                 integrated into our existing structure
    New technologies must always be judged by their ability to meet 
existing safety standards and create good, high-quality jobs. As 
aircraft begin to be used in new ways--such air taxis and drone 
delivery--we must ensure that this new equipment is living up to the 
rules currently in place that have made the U.S. airspace the safest in 
the world. Additionally, to the extent that aircraft are entering 
spaces currently served by other modes of transportation, Congress must 
take steps to ensure that no mode is disadvantaged as a result of the 
federal government's actions.
     Continue to allow airline workers to benefit from state labor 
                              protections
    Airline jobs have been, historically, great jobs. This is a highly 
unionized sector with competitive pay and benefits for most crafts. 
However, in recent years, airlines have attempted to carve out their 
workers from state and local labor protections--including minimum 
wages, meal & rest breaks, and family and medical leave. Such a change 
would be disastrous for hundreds of thousands of airline workers who 
would instantly see their labor standards reduced. This would severely 
harm recruitment efforts in the industry and push the best and 
brightest of future generations into other jobs with better labor 
protections.
    Proponents of federal pre-emption in this area fail to account for 
workers' response should the airline industry suddenly become the worst 
employer in an area. It will not help recruit new pilots, mechanics, 
ramp workers, flight attendants, or others into the industry if they 
are guaranteed a higher wage, time off to care for their families, and 
opportunities for rest breaks at every other employer competing for 
their talent.
    Additionally, worker advocates would be forced to lobby for these 
protections at the federal level, splitting Congress' focus and 
undermining the safety goals of our system.
    Thank you for your work to enhance the safety of America's 
airspace. The TWU stands ready to support your work to quickly 
reauthorize the FAA and to make the reforms noticed above.

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you. And I yield back.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Garret.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you.
    Mr. Boulter, I understand you are not the Acting 
Administrator, but I am sitting here listening to Colonel Bunce 
and Mr. Bolen express extraordinary concern about the FAA in 
terms of its, I guess I will use the term ``agility'', to 
respond to new entrants into the market. I will tell you, my 
personal opinion is that I think the FAA is using an antiquated 
structure that is based upon on a 737 rather than new entrants 
into the market. I think that both the regulatory and the 
organizational structure are not, I guess, structured in a way 
that is going to truly be able to facilitate new technology.
    I am concerned that we are actually going to lose our 
leading edge in technology in the United States to other 
countries that are more agile. And I have strong concerns about 
the lack of certainty or predictability that some of these 
entrepreneurs or investors are looking at as they are trying to 
make U.S.-based companies.
    Look, let's be clear, we have come in, this committee, this 
Congress has come in and banned foreign drones and others. We 
are trying to facilitate U.S. innovators and entrepreneurs. 
Could you comment on some of the concerns that were raised by 
other panelists about the FAA and just its ability to be agile 
and to facilitate some of the new entrants in the market as we 
are watching some other challenges happen in aviation?
    Mr. Boulter. We strongly believe, in working with Acting 
Administrator Nolen, that we owe a path to new entrants. We owe 
them a regulatory path. At the same time, that regulatory path 
needs to have safety as its foremost concern. When we don't get 
those paths out there, as Mr. Bunce said, then it causes us 
more work. And now we are into exemptions and other things 
where we could be doing rulemaking.
    I am absolutely focused on: Get those paths available. We 
have taken a tack on powered-lift, which is eVTOL, to be able 
to get those to market. We have made commitments to getting 
those there before the first eVTOL is certified. We will 
continue to do that. We are going to look at all of our 
regulatory pieces. We have pushed more actions through in the 
last 6 months than we have probably in the last 3 years. 
Anything we can do to get more agile.
    We have to be agile and safe. But we hear you, and I 
absolutely am concerned about the time it takes us, because at 
the end of the day, if we don't build those paths, then the 
applicants don't know what path to go down. And we need to 
build those paths, but safely integrate technology into the 
National Airspace System.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. I just want to reiterate that I 
have very strong concerns about the current trajectory. I think 
that the panelists have legitimate concerns about 
predictability and agility at the FAA. It is going to be a key 
issue as we work on the reauthorization bill. But I also want 
to make note that we still have significant portions of the 
2018 bill that haven't been implemented. And so, we are going 
to need the FAA to certainly show a higher degree of resolve in 
moving forward on the new legislation as we enact that.
    Dr. Buckley, MITRE has previously conducted research to 
help the FAA analyze aviation delays and improve upon the 
flight delays and I think just the overall passenger 
experience.
    Can you talk a little bit about the results of your 
research there and what should be taken away in terms of our 
ability to be able to improve efficiency of the aviation 
system?
    Ms. Buckley. Yes, thank you.
    MITRE, as the FAA's FFRDC, would have been looking at 
advanced both air traffic management and operations studies and 
efficiencies in automations for a number of years. We work in 
partnership with the operators of the ATO, as well as our 
associations and pilot members and bring them into our 
laboratory to really look at some of the new automated 
technologies that can help and ensure safety; but also, we look 
at capacity inefficiency as well.
    One of those that I mentioned earlier was trajectory-based 
operations. That is something that we feel is a priority. That 
is looking at the 4D approach that really helps the efficiency 
and the safety of understanding the trajectories and to help 
our controllers and our operators.
    I would say that the foundations that the NextGen program, 
of which many of these programs that you reference are part of, 
is a foundation for where we are going in the future, and that 
is around the info-centric NAS. So, again, that gets into 
understanding and modernizing the backplane and what some of 
these new approaches, these control approaches and 
modernization activities need to run on.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Dr. Buckley.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Eleanor.
    Ms. Norton. This hearing is particularly important to me 
and my constituents. There are two airports in this region, in 
the National Capital region, and I am cochair of the Quiet 
Skies Caucus.
    I hear regularly from not only my constituents but from 
fellow members about airport noise. And this question is for 
Ms. Buckley. Airport noise is not only a nuisance; it can 
affect health and safety. Ms. Buckley, can airspace design be 
utilized to reduce aviation noise and increase safety?
    Ms. Buckley. Thank you for the question.
    Airspace design does have a role in reducing noise and 
safety and sustainment as well. MITRE was involved in the 
execution of Metroplex, which was a large-scale FAA NextGen 
program that looked at congested high-traffic airports and was 
able to optimize the use of airspace in those Metroplex areas 
and save billions of dollars both on fuel and showed proven 
changes in terms of noise as well in those urban areas.
    So, yes, there are techniques that can be doing that. The 
FAA and MITRE have been looking at those through the Metroplex 
program and will continue to do so.
    Ms. Norton. I am pleased to hear that.
    Mr. Bunce, in 2021, the General Aviation Manufacturers 
Association committed to achieving net-zero carbon emissions by 
2050. That, of course, is in line with the Paris Agreement to 
limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. This commitment to 
carbon neutrality is admirable given that communities of color 
and low-income groups in the United States are exposed to 
higher levels of air pollution.
    So, my question for you, Mr. Bunce, is what changes should 
Congress enact to the Federal Aviation Administration 
reauthorization in order to achieve a net-zero aviation future?
    Mr. Bunce. Representative Norton, if you look at our 
commitments, and it is business aviation working together with 
our commercial brethren to those net-zero commitments, one of 
the biggest wedges in that is sustainable aviation fuel; and 
this Congress and the last Congress actually helped us a lot 
with the blended fuel tax credit and some other initiatives 
that were in there to start building out more production 
capability for sustainable aviation fuel. That is going to be 
huge.
    But the other part of this is if you look at how we develop 
those for both commercial and general aviation, the wedge for 
technology starts to grow pretty dramatically in the 2030s. So, 
we need to be able to set the stage now to do what Mr. Boulter 
talked about and what a lot of us are pushing for is just being 
able to facilitate that rapid ability to certify new technology 
out there.
    So, think about electric augmentation of existing engines 
that we have that are out there burning traditional fossil 
fuel, hopefully soon a lot of SAF, but we have got that 
capability, a lot of, in the advanced air mobility capability 
that we can extend with better battery-powered density 
technology to be able to provide essential air service to a lot 
of rural communities out there.
    So, it is probably the most exciting time in aviation since 
the dawn of the jet age, as long as we can get this technology 
certified, and that is where this FAA reauthorization can 
really help us as a Nation and as a planet.
    Ms. Norton. Thank you.
    Captain Ambrosi, you mentioned a current U.S.-backed base 
carrier that is attempting to circumvent the FAA safety 
standards. By utilizing foreign-based flightcrews, airlines can 
evade the FAA safety standards--I was shocked to learn that--
safety standards for crews leading to decreased safety in 
American airspace.
    Is there currently any mechanism to prevent this kind of 
crude outsourcing that reduces safety in the name of corporate 
profit?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, thank you, Congresswoman, for the 
question. Short on time, so, I will say quickly that the 
Department of Transportation looks at every foreign airline 
application to come into the U.S. So, Congress' pressure on the 
Department of Transportation to ensure that the public interest 
test that is currently in legislation is applied to that to 
prevent foreign airlines from undermining U.S. labor standards.
    Ms. Norton. I am pleased to hear that.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thanks.
    Mr. Perry.
    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Boulter, last July I raised the issue 
surrounding Santa Clara County's ban on 100 Low Lead. 
Unfortunately, the concerns I raised went unheeded. I have got 
an affidavit from a Reid-Hillview Airport business owner and 
the lack of 100 Low Lead, which has contributed to at least one 
misfueling incident that I am aware of and to one accident 
resulting from the aircraft running out of fuel.
    Can I ask unanimous consent to have the affidavit entered 
into the record?
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Without objection.
    [The information follows:]

                                 
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association et al. v. County of Santa Clara, 
 California, FAA Docket No. 16-22-08, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
                              Scott Perry
               UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
                    FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION
                             WASHINGTON, DC

 
 
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AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION, et al,
    Complainants,
 
    v.                                                                             FAA Docket No. 16-22-08
 
COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA
    Respondent.

                    DECLARATION OF NIKNAM NICKRAVESH
I, Niknam Nickravesh, being over 18 years of age and otherwise fully 
competent to testify state that:
    1.  I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein.
    2.  I am the owner of multiple businesses that operate at Reid-
Hillview Airport (KRHV), including Nik's Aircraft, LLC and Flying S 
Aviation. I am also the Director of Maintenance for Nice Air Aviation.
    3.  I am aware of an accident that occurred on July 22, 2022, that 
involved a Piper PA-32-301 aircraft, registration number N300BH (the 
``Aircraft''), shortly after it departed from RHV.
    4.  Prior to this accident, the Aircraft underwent maintenance at 
Flying S Aviation. When the maintenance on the Aircraft began, I 
estimated that the Aircraft had approximately 30 gallons of 100LL on 
board total. The maintenance performed on the Aircraft included engine 
run-ups. At the conclusion of maintenance on the aircraft, I personally 
observed the aircraft had little to no fuel remaining as a result of 
the engine run-ups in the left tank.
    5.  To the best of my knowledge, the Aircraft requires 100LL.
    6.  It is my understanding that the operator of the Aircraft was 
aware of the Aircraft's fuel status but was not able to obtain 100LL 
fuel at RHV. As a result, the Aircraft departed RHV with little to no 
fuel remaining. It is my understanding that the operator of the 
Aircraft intended to fly to San Jose International Airport (KSJC) to 
obtain 100LL.
    7.  After the accident occurred, I was told by an NTSB accident 
investigator that the Aircraft had run out of fuel.
    8.  I am personally aware of multiple instances involving transient 
aircraft that arrive at RHV anticipating to fuel with 100LL, unaware 
that it is not available at RHV. As a result of the lack of 
availability of 100LL, these aircraft depart without refueling.
    9.  I am personally aware of a misfuelling incident at a Santa 
Clara County airport, where the pilot mistakenly self-fueled their 
Christen Eagle aircraft with 94UL fuel, which cannot safely and legally 
use 94UL fuel. The error was identified before takeoff.

I AFFIRM under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and 
correct to the best of my personal knowledge.

DATED: 1/6/2023

Niknam Nickravesh

    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Boulter, can you tell us what is 
precipitating the ban and the drive to get rid of 100 Low Lead 
knowing that one-third of the gasoline fleet is powered by that 
fuel? What drives this decision?
    Mr. Boulter. Obviously, the harm in lead emissions from 
those aircrafts.
    Mr. Perry. So, I would agree with you that is what is 
driving it. And do you have knowledge of the fact that the 
county's study regarding Santa Clara County and Reid-Hillview 
in particular found that the lead found was within the limits 
but that that information was suppressed by the government 
there? Are you aware of that?
    Mr. Boulter. I am not. That is outside my area.
    Mr. Perry. Well, I want to make you aware of it. I have got 
a couple of articles here that outline that.
    I would like to ask unanimous consent to have them entered 
into the record.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Without objection.
    [The information follows:]

                                 
    Article, ``Study finds no elevated lead levels in Reid-Hillview 
 Airport's soil. The results are bound to intensify debates around the 
closure of the San Jose airport,'' by Gabriel Greschler, Bay Area News 
Group, June 11, 2022, updated: June 13, 2022, Submitted for the Record 
                          by Hon. Scott Perry
  Study finds no elevated lead levels in Reid-Hillview Airport's soil
 The results are bound to intensify debates around the closure of the 
                            San Jose airport
by Gabriel Greschler

Bay Area News Group, June 11, 2022, updated: June 13, 2022, at 4:49 
a.m.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/11/study-finds-no-elevated-lead-
levels-in-reid-hillview-airports-soil/

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 SAN JOSE, CA_January 18: Pilot Sal Khan of Hayward disembarks from a 
 Cessna airplane at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose, Calif., on Jan. 
               18, 2022. (Dai Sugano/Bay Area News Group)

    A Santa Clara County-commissioned study released Wednesday found 
that soil samples taken at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose did not 
contain lead levels that exceed local, state or federal standards.
    The results paint a clearer picture of the extent to which lead has 
contaminated the Evergreen neighborhood airport since the release last 
August of an airborne lead study ordered by the county that concluded 
children who live around Reid-Hillview have elevated levels of the 
contaminant in their blood.
    The latest study examined soil from 32 locations spread across the 
airport. Scientists took samples from Reid-Hillview's surface up to six 
inches deep in the soil--and then from one foot to 18 inches deep. 
Similar research was conducted at San Martin Airport, the other county-
owned airport 23 miles south of Reid-Hillview.
    ``Results of this study determined that total lead was not detected 
above San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Board Environmental 
Screening Levels, (Environmental Protection Agency) Regional Screening 
Levels, or California Total Threshold Level Concentration trigger 
values in any of the soil samples collected during investigations at 
either airport,'' the study states.
    The highest concentration of lead at Reid-Hillview was found in a 
dry soil sample on the corner of Cunningham Avenue and Capitol 
Expressway, at 46.7 milligrams per kilogram. The sample fell below 
local, state and federal danger levels which range from 50 to 800 
milligrams per kilogram.
    Katharine Hammond, an exposure expert and professor at UC 
Berkeley's School of Public Health, said she isn't surprised with the 
soil sample results and that they don't contradict the August airborne 
study's findings.
    Particulate matter coming out of an engine like an airplane is so 
light, Hammond said, that contaminates will likely not settle on the 
ground but get blown outside of the airport's immediate vicinity.
    ``Imagine you took a handful of sand, which are fairly big 
particles, and you held your hand in the middle of a dining room table 
and threw the sand up in the air,'' Hammond said. ``Most of it would be 
on the table or around the table. But if you took a handful of smaller 
particles like flour and threw it up in the air, it is going to be all 
over the place, not just on the dining room table.''
    Hammond said it is also likely there are some soil samples that 
exceed the ones found on the corner of Cunningham and Capitol 
Expressway. She explained that when sampling is conducted across a 
tract of land, there are usually areas that contain higher amounts of 
contamination not included in an analysis.
    The new soil study is bound to intensify debates surrounding the 
planned closure of Reid-Hillview Airport.
    Proponents of the closure claim that the airport's piston-engine 
airplanes, which still rely heavily on leaded fuel, present a health 
hazard to surrounding residents and that the area could be better and 
more safely used for much-needed housing.
    But opponents of the closure view the lead danger as overblown, 
saying the contamination is caused by other sources and that proposals 
for housing are simply a land grab.
    A copy of the soil report was provided to this news organization 
after a public records request asking for the study's results went 
unanswered for weeks. The contract for the report was $130,000, 
according to County Executive Jeff Smith. The research was conducted by 
Jacobs Engineering, a Dallas-based firm.
    District 2 Supervisor Cindy Chavez, who called for the August lead 
study and is a driving force behind closing Reid-Hillview, had not read 
the new soil study and was not immediately available for comment, a 
spokesperson said.
    In May, under the direction of Chavez, San Jose-based nonprofit 
group Latinos United for a New America began canvassing the surrounding 
neighborhood of Reid-Hillview to educate residents about the county's 
airborne lead study from August. In addition, the nonprofit's 
representatives will ``promote the importance of healthy habits for 
lead prevention, refer residents to lead testing resources, and 
identify residents interested in further information and future 
engagement opportunities.''

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  SAN JOSE_April 27: An airplane descends past a row of palm trees at 
  Eastridge Mall for a landing at Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose, 
 Calif., on Monday, April 27, 2020. (Randy Vazquez/Bay Area News Group)

    Efforts to close Reid-Hillview have been underway for decades. More 
recently, county supervisors voted in 2018 to stop providing federal 
grant dollars to the airport, which will lead to Reid-Hillview's 
closure in 2031.
    After the August lead study came out, county officials stopped 
providing leaded fuel at Reid-Hillview and San Martin at the start of 
this year in an effort to reduce further contamination, a move that was 
criticized by Federal Air Administration officials who felt that county 
officials hadn't consulted them.
    The county's airports now only sell unleaded fuel. However, many 
airplanes can only run on leaded, which has led to pilots refueling at 
surrounding Bay Area airports before landing at Reid-Hillview or San 
Martin.
    In February, county officials informed the Eastridge Little League 
that they had to leave their baseball diamonds at Reid-Hillview in 
response to the August blood lead study. The baseball league, which has 
been playing at the fields since 1972, will vacate the site June 28, 
according to league president Johnny Cisneros.
    Cisneros is currently in talks with the county to receive funding 
through 2025, but he said he's unsure whether he'll agree to the terms, 
putting the league's future in limbo.

                                 
 Article, ``County study found lead within limits in soil around Reid-
   Hillview. Officials sat on results until journalists pressed for 
 release,'' by Eric Blinderman, AOPA, June 15, 2022, Submitted for the 
                       Record by Hon. Scott Perry
  County study found lead within limits in soil around Reid-Hillview 
     Officials sat on results until journalists pressed for release
by Eric Blinderman

AOPA, June 15, 2022
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2022/june/15/county-study-
found-lead-within-limits-in-soil-around-reid-hillview

The Mercury News of San Jose, California, reported that a study 
conducted by Santa Clara County found that soil samples taken at Reid-
Hillview of Santa Clara County Airport contained lead levels below 
local, state, or federal safety limits.


   Reid-Hillview of Santa Clara County Airport. Photo by Mike Fizer.

    The soil report was released to the news organization on June 8 
only ``after a public records request asking for the study's results 
went unanswered for weeks,'' according to the newspaper. The $130,000 
study was conducted by a Dallas-based firm, which according to the 
newspaper, examined samples from 32 locations around the airport, taken 
at various depths into the soil. A similar study was also conducted at 
San Martin Airport.
    ``We all want lead out of aviation fuel, but the transition needs 
to be done safely and smartly,'' said AOPA President Mark Baker. ``The 
fact that the county sat on these findings, and then were essentially 
forced to release them, is telling. The county hid these findings and 
then turned around and prohibited the sale of certain aviation fuel 
required for thousands of aircraft. This prohibition significantly 
increases the risk of misfuelling and imposes serious safety concerns 
for pilots.''
    On January 1, Santa Clara County banned the sale of 100LL Reid-
Hillview and San Martin airports, citing a contested airborne lead 
study in 2021 ordered by the county. AOPA and other associations, pilot 
groups, and airport businesses quickly pointed out that many of the 
200,000 aircraft in the current general aviation piston fleet require 
higher-octane fuel to fly safely, and that misfuelling can cause 
detonation and engine malfunction resulting in catastrophic engine 
failure. Pilots and aircraft owners in the county whose aircraft 
require higher-octane fuel are forced to find it outside the county 
before landing at their home airports.
    In addition, the Avgas Coalition led by AOPA sent a letter on May 6 
to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and acting FAA Administrator 
Billy Nolen, outlining the need for 100LL fuel to be available at our 
nation's airports while the industry works with the Biden 
administration to find a fleetwide unleaded fuel solution as quickly as 
possible.
    The Avgas Coalition is a broad partnership of those who represent 
many facets of the transition to an unleaded avgas future. This 
coalition has a single-minded purpose of steering the GA industry to an 
unleaded future and advocating for a smart and safe transition that 
works for the entire GA fleet.

    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Boulter, it seems to me, knowing that this 
airport was built in 1937, that most of the residents around it 
that now seek to have it closed are using this opportunity, so 
to speak, so contrived, to close what they don't like. I am 
wondering what the FAA is doing.
    And I understand that you have got now G100UL, which will 
replace 100 Low Lead. So, I get that.
    What is the cost of 100 Low Lead on the average, and what 
is the cost per gallon of the new replacement fuel?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I am not aware of those numbers.
    Mr. Perry. Shouldn't you be aware of that? One-third of all 
gasoline engines use 100 Low Lead. Wouldn't that be something 
you would know?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I am an Aviation Safety Organization. We 
are----
    Mr. Perry [interrupting]. But this is about safety. We 
already had one plane that crashed because they didn't get 
fuel. The airport banned the fuel, even though it wasn't 
allowed to. What has the FAA done about the ban?
    Mr. Boulter. The FAA is continuing to work towards that. 
So, our airports division, which is outside my purview, is 
working that issue aggressively.
    Mr. Perry. They are working it aggressively. So, are other 
airports going to be allowed to ban it?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I would not know that.
    Mr. Perry. Well, who would know it?
    Mr. Boulter. I could certainly set you up with our airports 
division.
    Mr. Perry. It seems to me, sir, that if we are going to 
have a replacement fuel, and apparently we do, which is great, 
you have to make sure that it is widely available and that it 
is affordable. And if that is not the case, that we cannot 
allow airports to unilaterally ban it and have the FAA continue 
to sanction that type of operation.
    I am sure that you, or I hope, maybe you are not familiar, 
with the Grant Assurance or Grant Assurance 22. Are you 
familiar with that?
    Mr. Boulter. Somewhat familiar, sir. Grant Assurance is run 
by the division of airports in the agency.
    Mr. Perry. So, it says that if you are going to have a 
public airport, you have got to provide the fuel and other 
services, right. That is essentially what it says. Yet the FAA 
is allowing airports to ban the fuel for political reasons. 
Let's just face it. That is what it is. It is political 
reasons. It has nothing to do with science. The articles 
clearly show it has nothing to do with science.
    And what is the FAA doing about it? What are they going to 
do about it?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I do know that our airports division is 
working that very specific issue.
    Mr. Perry. Well, they don't seem to be very effective.
    I go back to the gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. Graves, in 
agility. They are working the issue.
    Here is what we know. We have a fuel that has worked for a 
very, very long time that is readily available and affordable, 
and we are allowing airports to ban it. And now there are 
crashes and misfueling incidents that are occurring, and the 
FAA is working on it very diligently.
    You know what I know? When you're up in the sky and it gets 
quiet unexpectedly, you are not concerned about the FAA working 
on it very aggressively and diligently.
    You have got a situation on your hands, sir. You are 
failing.
    I yield.
    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Mr. Cohen.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Boulter, in my opening statement, and I presume you 
heard some of it, I mentioned the problems we had with getting 
the FAA to look into seat size as far as safety, and they went 
way over their congressional mandate.
    You are familiar with all of that, aren't you?
    Mr. Boulter. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Cohen. It wasn't on your watch, though?
    Mr. Boulter. No.
    Mr. Cohen. Can you assure us that you will get a study? You 
will look at the comments, the 26,000 comments that were pretty 
strongly concerned about seat size and get some type of a 
resolution of that before you allow seats to be shrunk anymore?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I heard your opening statement. I fly a 
lot myself. I am not a small person. I understand the comfort 
level. You have my assurance that we will get through those 
comments, and we will look at next steps.
    Mr. Cohen. Well, can you assure me you won't allow the 
airlines to reduce the size of the seats of the pitch until you 
have gone through the comments and maybe even done another 
study? Because the last study was obviously--it was failed from 
the beginning. Whoever came up with that, not having anybody 
over 60 and not having any people with disabilities and no pets 
on the plane and no children on the plane and all of that, that 
was insane. That was not a representative sample.
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, we have some ethical standards we have to 
meet with human subjects. Most evacuations do cause injuries. 
So, any research around evacuations, we have to be very 
careful.
    We also looked at--we commissioned an Aviation Rulemaking 
Committee that looked at 300 actual evacuations. So, these are 
airplanes that evacuated. In those 300, they looked at did the 
people get out? Did seat pitch affect that? So, we think with 
the study we did and the follow-on, looking at 300 actual 
evacuations, and we'll look through the comments and then, sir, 
we will go from there.
    I can't promise the seat size until which time we get 
through the data.
    Mr. Cohen. Concerning the Boeing situation, has the FAA 
started to go back to what it should have never given up, is 
that review of the airplanes and not sub it out to the 
manufacturer?
    Mr. Boulter. We still have delegated oversight in every 
manufacturer in the country, but we have strengthened our 
oversight of those companies that have delegated authorities. 
We have created an office that reports directly to me, that 
writes the policy, looks at effectiveness of our delegation 
programs. And, sir, we are not afraid to pull back those 
delegations if they are not done to our standards.
    Mr. Cohen. You feel comfortable with the situation at 
Boeing now?
    Mr. Boulter. I think that it is a journey. As I said today, 
we can never sit still. I am comfortable where we are today. We 
need to continue to improve. We have reset that relationship, 
sir.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you.
    Ms. Homendy, were you at the NTSB when Jim Hall was there?
    Ms. Homendy. I was not, but he calls me often.
    Mr. Cohen. Good. So, you know how interested he is? How 
smart he is? How outstanding he is?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes. He is phenomenal. Is he watching?
    Mr. Cohen. I hope so. Hi, Jim. No, I have no idea if he is 
watching.
    But he has been very insistent on this rule about the black 
boxes. Can you assure me that you will make Jim Hall and the 
flying public happy by getting some type of a change so that 
they don't have to go to the bottom of the ocean, but those 
things will float?
    Ms. Homendy. Sir, I don't have the authority to mandate 
that, but as the NTSB, we continue to work on that 
recommendation. That recommendation is critical. We issued a 
2015 report on it. I will state that the recommendation to FAA 
currently is ``open--unacceptable.'' So, we will continue 
working with the FAA on trying to move them towards 
implementation.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you.
    I yield back. Mr. Crawford!
    Mr. Crawford [presiding]. Thank you, Mr. Cohen. I 
appreciate it.
    I will yield myself 5 minutes.
    Mr. Boulter, the root cause of Notice to Air Missions 
system failure in January doesn't appear to be due to a cyber 
attack. And if I am repeating this, I apologize. This may have 
already been addressed.
    But we need to anticipate future attacks on the system that 
is meant to keep our industry, our aviation industry safe. With 
the increased prevalence of ransomware service across every 
sector of our economy, and since the ever-changing technology 
used in aviation safety is software based, does the FAA have a 
thorough cybersecurity plan? And are you working with CISA on a 
coordinated response should an attack happen?
    Mr. Boulter. I don't own those systems, and, obviously, my 
IT ability to turn the mic on.
    But anyway, we own some systems in aviation safety, 
obviously, and the agency has a robust cyber system.
    But when you talk about air traffic system, sir, the Air 
Traffic Organization, I can certainly have our Government 
affairs hook you up with the right people in that system.
    Mr. Crawford. Can you comment as to the nature of your 
relationship with CISA with regard to cybersecurity? I mean, 
that seems to me that would be integral in this environment.
    Mr. Boulter. Yes, I know our IT department has a 
relationship with CISA, but you would have to ask them how 
deeply that is.
    Mr. Crawford. All right. Thank you.
    Mr. Bolen, I am going to turn my attention to you for just 
a quick second. NBAA's advanced air mobility, or AAM, 
roundtable, is a forum for high-level policy planning with 
sector leaders to help chart a course for integrating AAM 
technologies in the Nation's airspace and infrastructure.
    What are NBAA and the roundtable doing right now to ensure 
AAM operation safety is paramount?
    Mr. Bolen. Well, clearly we believe that advanced air 
mobility is good for the United States and good for the world. 
It has the opportunity to create affordable, accessible, 
sustainable aviation for communities that don't have it to the 
level we can have it in the future.
    So, what we are doing is trying to build on some of the 
progress that was made in the last Congress, including the AAM 
Coordination and Leadership Act and the Advanced Air Mobility 
Infrastructure and Modernization Act.
    Beyond that, we are working to increase awareness on 
Capitol Hill and move toward what comes after the certification 
of the aircraft into the operations. We want to make sure that 
we have the appropriate air traffic and airport system so that 
we will have charging stations, be able to leverage airports 
and heliports and create vertiports for the infrastructure, as 
well as air traffic systems that are able to integrate aircraft 
above 400 feet.
    So, moving from certification of an aircraft into 
operations is the big focus as we move forward.
    Mr. Crawford. I directed this question to your colleague on 
the panel, Mr. Boulter, but is there any address of cyber in 
what you guys are dealing with?
    Mr. Bolen. Every manufacturer, everyone in the industry is 
very focused on cyber. It is, obviously, a front issue. We 
believe it can be done. We are able to operate today. We are 
able to operate across other industries. Banking and other 
things can be secure. We believe that it is important to build 
it in as we move forward and understand what the evolving 
threats are.
    Mr. Crawford. I mean, I will ask you, just in the 1\1/2\ 
minutes that I have left. Do you have a relationship with CISA 
so that you have the sharing up and down the chain so that you 
are more aware and they are more aware of the threats that may 
be prevalent in your space?
    Mr. Bolen. We are trying to work through that as an 
industry. We had an opportunity. Several of us in the industry 
have met with the White House and worked through conversations 
with the Office of Science and Technology Policy, with the 
National Security Council, with the Department of Defense to 
try to make sure that we stay on top of these important issues.
    Mr. Crawford. Thank you.
    I yield back and recognize Mr. Garamendi for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Garamendi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Two things I would like to focus on here. All of the 
questions that have been asked, all of the testimony that has 
been given, indicate that the FAA and all of its various parts 
of its organization has two fundamental problems: one, 
organization; two, an inability to get the job done for lack of 
resources.
    And so, for each and every one of you, if you could respond 
in writing to the committee and/or to me about what you need in 
terms of resources to carry out your task.
    Just listening to the testimony here, each one of you said, 
well, it is going to take too much time. We don't have the 
resources. So, I won't ask you to comment all the way down 
until I get past my second question.
    But it seems to me that as we do the reauthorization here, 
fundamentally we have to deal with the FAA that is not 
organized to meet the challenges of a rapidly changing aviation 
industry. All of you have testified to that already. So, I 
would appreciate that information back from you.
    What do you need to get the job done? Personnel? Resources? 
Organizational structure and the like? What are the 
shortcomings? What are your suggestions about how to properly 
organize and fund the FAA to carry out the multiple tasks?
    The question I want to get to deals with air cabin. We have 
carried a bill with Senator Blumenthal for the last 3, 4 years 
now, and it is the Cabin Air Safety Act. Right now there is, in 
most planes, no monitoring of the air quality.
    We have been at this a long time, and we do know from 
multiple incidents and testimony from pilots, as well as 
aircrew, that there is all too often fume events in airplanes. 
And so, I want to get to this.
    And Captain Ambrosi, if you could comment on this, on what 
you and your colleagues in the air experience. And then we will 
come back to, well, why can't we get this done.
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, thank you, sir, for the question and on 
your support on this issue.
    We absolutely support your initiative. Pardon the pun, but 
smoke and fumes don't fly in an airplane. It is a problem, and 
we have far too many of these events. We do support and we need 
monitoring of this to get to the root cause.
    Basically, there is data that shows maintenance may be 
overservicing the auxiliary power unit, and it creates an issue 
where there is some smoke; but there are too many of these 
anecdotal of where it may be coming from. We need to truly get 
down to brass tacks and study it because it is not good for the 
health of the traveling public, but our fellow cabin 
crewmembers and pilots spend a lot more time in the air than 
anybody, and it is a concern for us.
    So, we support that initiative and are happy to 
collaborate.
    Mr. Garamendi. Would any of the other witnesses care to 
comment on this?
    I know that here in Washington, DC, if you want to rent out 
your house, you are required to put in smoke detectors and 
carbon monoxide detectors, and occasionally somebody will come 
along and check and see if it is done.
    I don't understand why the airline industry cannot and will 
not do this just routinely, but they won't. So, apparently we 
need a law.
    So, I think what I would like to do is to deal with this 
issue, continue to ask the committee here to pass this 
legislation out of this House and literally force the airline 
industry to get on with it and to provide the monitoring 
devices so that the cabin crews know what is going on.
    And I am going to go back to the first question. This is 
the larger question about the reauthorization of the FAA. It is 
our opportunity, in fact, it is our responsibility to write 
legislation so that the FAA is properly organized to carry out 
the multiple tasks, which all of you have talked about here 
today, and properly fund it. It is not presently that by your 
testimony and by the questions of many of my colleagues.
    And with that, I will yield back.
    Mr. Crawford. I thank the gentleman.
    Mr. Babin is recognized for 5 minutes.
    Dr. Babin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And thank you all, you witnesses, for being here today.
    I am thrilled to hear everyone highlight the successes of 
the past decade in terms of safety, and many of you in your 
organization should be celebrated just for that.
    However, there is a lot of room for improvement. An example 
is just 3 days ago in my great State of Texas, at Austin-
Bergstrom International Airport, two planes were less than 100 
feet away from a catastrophic collision that would have put 
more than 130 people's lives at risk, and that is unacceptable.
    As many of you stated, we can't take our eye off the ball. 
We have got to work together. We have got to keep getting 
better. We have to continue to innovate and improve, and I want 
to applaud all of you for being here, to being a part of that 
process with this committee.
    But from my perspective, recent disruptions and groundings 
appear to be due in large part to reliance on outdated 
technology and systems, some of which are built on software 
that is decades old, like the NOTAM system.
    The commercial connected aviation system sector has made 
major strides in leveraging the latest in cloud computing, 
predictive analytics, and inner link systems. These, aligned 
with all the current cyber standards, offer reliable and stable 
solutions to Government and to industry.
    It is striking to see that the failure to use or partner 
with the right software and service providers could directly 
result in a disruptive impact on our passengers, the airlines 
themselves, and shaking public confidence in our air 
operations.
    There are a number of examples of commercial connected 
software providers that have emerged over the last decade or 
so, but Houston is home to FlightAware, owned by Collins 
Aerospace's Connected Aviation Solutions business, which 
provides real-time data and services to airlines, airports, and 
the Government that would provide substantial benefit to the 
FAA and to operators.
    Other types of software include advanced flight profile 
optimization to help optimize flightpath based on real-time 
weather and traffic data to optimize routes, as well as new 
traffic management software systems that benefit from the 
innovative software advancements.
    So, Acting Director Boulter, thank you for being here. 
These questions are for you.
    How do we use this upcoming FAA reauthorization to 
accelerate the migration from outdated legacy software systems 
that are used by the FAA and industry to the best solutions 
available to date? And is this a matter of providing direction 
or are there other obstacles?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I think we all have the same interest 
that the systems be state of the art. My area in aviation 
safety does not own the air traffic systems, but we can 
certainly have our air traffic folks come in and brief you on 
their plans going forward on all of those. All of those you 
talked about are all air traffic systems. And as a safety 
organization, it is important that that technology continue to 
improve.
    Dr. Babin. OK.
    Then how do we support greater use of commercial data 
services by the FAA either as a replacement or a complement to 
current legacy systems?
    Mr. Boulter. Again, sir, I don't speak for the Air Traffic 
Organization on how to do that. I know that, in my previous job 
running the agency's airplanes, we did use commercial services 
in that.
    But you are talking about using those same commercial 
services maybe into the air traffic system. That would have to 
be something air traffic would have to look at very, very 
carefully.
    Dr. Babin. OK.
    Well, in the space sector, I represent Johnson Space 
Center, as an example. We have seen great success with the 
Department of Commerce leveraging commercial space data, and I 
believe this could be a successful model for the FAA to buy 
commercial aviation data to improve its capabilities.
    Is there anyone else would like to comment on that?
    Mr. Bunce. Mr. Babin?
    Dr. Babin. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Bunce. I think if we look at the NOTAM system as a 
pilot, several of us are doing that, it is an antiquated system 
overall.
    One of the things that--we look at AI, artificial 
intelligence, and we look at a capability. It is very difficult 
to certify, perhaps, in an aircraft, but commercial services 
can go use AI to sift through the mountains of data that come 
in. Because we are talking about NOTAMs from airports across 
the world that use old systems, like teletype systems to be 
able to transmit runway closures and things like that.
    A perfect application for AI and FlightAware, as one of the 
leaders in this, is to be able to sift through that information 
and give us as pilots some very good data of what is pertinent 
to the mission that we are going on. And so, I think I would 
urge this committee to really look at that capability out there 
in the commercial sector.
    Dr. Babin. Thank you very much, Mr. Bunce, sir.
    I will just yield back since my time is just about out. 
Thank you.
    Dr. Van Drew [presiding]. Next I would ask Ms. Brownley to 
speak.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Boulter, I am increasingly concerned about the FAA's 
oversight of aircraft maintenance facilities outside of the 
United States. The FAA is now more than 10 years overdue on a 
congressional mandate to close this gap with respect to drug 
and alcohol testing.
    Last year the House passed, and I will say overwhelmingly 
so, another bill directing the FAA to ensure that U.S. 
certified maintenance facilities meet the same safety standards 
regardless of where they are located. And I am hopeful this 
language will be part of the upcoming FAA reauthorization 
legislation from this committee.
    So, my question is when will the FAA complete its 
rulemaking on drug and alcohol testing at maintenance 
facilities outside of the United States? And what plans do you 
have to bring the safety standards at these facilities in line 
with those domestically?
    Mr. Boulter. We are in work as we speak on the notice of 
proposed rulemaking to push that forward into our rulemaking 
docket. So, we are working on building that rule for drug and 
alcohol testing of foreign repair stations.
    As far as other standards, we have robust international 
offices that look at those U.S. repair stations in foreign 
countries, and our data is showing us that they currently meet 
those standards; but we will absolutely make this rulemaking 
for that gap you identified.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you for that.
    Ms. Homendy, the FAA does not conduct unscheduled 
inspections of the maintenance facilities they certify outside 
of the United States. The FAA does not require the mechanics at 
these facilities to hold any U.S. certification or undergo any 
background check before handling safety-sensitive work.
    Since the beginning of the pandemic, the FAA has conducted 
almost no in-person inspections of these facilities at all. The 
few that are happening are still done over video conference.
    Does the NTSB believe that the FAA's current oversight of 
the repair stations they certify outside of the United States 
is sufficient to protect the safety of our airspace?
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you for the question.
    The NTSB doesn't have any recommendations currently on 
foreign repair stations.
    Ms. Brownley. Absolutely none?
    Ms. Homendy. We do not.
    Ms. Brownley. But based on what I just laid out, based on 
those facts, do you think that there is a need to look into 
that?
    Ms. Homendy. Our recommendations are based on accidents and 
incidents that we investigate, and this has not come up in any 
of our accident investigations.
    Ms. Brownley. Mr. Boulter?
    Mr. Boulter. I do know we are traveling back to those 
repair stations outside of the United States, and also, in some 
cases, especially with our bilateral partners, we have them 
just like we do to theirs, inspect their repair stations. They 
inspect our repair stations that are in their countries as part 
of our bilateral agreement.
    Ms. Brownley. Well, it seems to me that this committee, as 
I said, overwhelmingly supported that these maintenance 
facilities outside the United States be brought up to the same 
safety standards as we have domestically. You are saying that 
it already is. We determined that it wasn't. So, I think that 
there is somewhat of a disagreement there.
    Mr. Boulter. I certainly can go back and look at the data 
and see where we are on our surveillance of those repair 
stations, but we have exactly the same goal that you do, ma'am, 
which is that if you are at a U.S. certificated repair station, 
that the safety is exactly the same.
    Ms. Brownley. And so, and you are also saying what I laid 
out in terms of NTSB and that questioning is that you are now 
undergoing all of these inspections and that is well underway?
    Mr. Boulter. We have started to return to the ones that 
we--we didn't travel due to COVID, but we are pushing out to do 
the ones that--we don't go to every repair station. Again, 
through bilaterals, we do have inspections from the host 
nation's CAA, but those that we do not, our folks are getting 
back on the road and will do those evaluations.
    Ms. Brownley. And so, can you give me a sense of what being 
back on the road means?
    Mr. Boulter. They will do the inspections in person in 
those foreign countries.
    Ms. Brownley. OK.
    I wanted to also ask you, Mr. Boulter, in terms of general 
aviation safety technology--I see that I don't have time for 
this question. So, I will yield my time back.
    Dr. Van Drew. Mr. Rouzer.
    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    I want to thank our witnesses for being here today. I 
appreciate your testimony very much.
    In a previous life, I served in the Bush administration 
under W at a particular Federal agency, and so, it was my 
observation that a lot of Federal agencies share a lot of the 
same hurdles: dilapidated commuter systems, old equipment, a 
lot of stovepiping, not much communication within agencies, and 
I know that that can be a real challenge.
    It strikes me that given the important role of FAA and the 
safety of our air system, and if you look at it this way, too, 
business and investment goes where it is welcome. It doesn't go 
where it is not welcome. The regulatory modernization I think 
of the agency and the whole space, so to speak, is really 
important.
    Mr. Boulter, can you comment on that a little bit? And this 
is following up on some of the comments that Mr. Graves made, 
as well as, to some extent, Mr. Babin. What can we do as we 
reauthorize FAA? We have this reauthorization bill. What can we 
include in there to help encourage, to help facilitate the 
regulatory modernization that we need, if you can speak to that 
a little bit more?
    Mr. Boulter. Well, first and foremost is, we have the 
President's budget. We obviously need to be funded at that 
request level, and anything we can do to be more agile, whether 
it is how we work, all the hoops we jump through, anything we 
can do to bring our--the pace of technology, as we all know, 
has increased, but the pace of our processes has not. My number 
one goal in the Aviation Safety Organization is to get that 
speed without ever degrading safety but to build those paths 
for technology, to make sure that we don't leave people 
wondering what the path is to operation. What is operation 
going to look like? What are the certification standards of the 
aircraft going to look like?
    So, we are really focused on how do we move faster but, at 
the same time, deliberative enough, deliberative to the point 
of using our tools for risk analysis and keeping the level of 
safety or, frankly, we like to continue to improve safety and 
speed up the clock a little bit.
    Mr. Rouzer. OK. I have got a couple of other questions I 
want to make sure I get in. So, I'm going to move to those real 
quick, but related.
    So, what is FAA's plan for addressing aircraft avionics and 
ground system cybersecurity? And, specifically, how will 
responsibility and oversight be managed in partnership with the 
TSA?
    Mr. Boulter. Currently, we have standards for ensuring the 
aircraft are protected against lots of things, right, on the 
avionics, from interference, from any type of--if there is 
connection between the back end and, say, the systems that, 
when you are on your iPhone and on board, that those are 
separate from the avionics system.
    So, we already have certification standards, but we are 
always looking at those to make sure that those standards are 
appropriate for the current risk.
    Mr. Rouzer. So, what are you doing to address stovepiping 
in the agency specifically?
    Mr. Boulter. Well, as you know, every box is an opportunity 
to stovepipe. We know that we have to behave differently. We 
are looking at AAM. We are looking at across the organization: 
how do we do this, from vertiports, to aircraft certification, 
which, of course, is an Aviation Safety Organization, the 
operations, and air traffic integration, right.
    We are actually working together, sitting down as a team 
every 2 weeks with the Administrator and walking through what 
our plan is to be able to across the agency make available AAM 
in the airspace on delivery.
    Mr. Rouzer. Ms. Homendy, can you speak real quickly to the 
application and purpose of the NTSB's Most Wanted List, and has 
this list been a useful tool for enhancing aviation safety?
    Ms. Homendy. That is a great question.
    I worked on this committee for 14 years, and I was the 
biggest advocate for the Most Wanted List. It is fantastic for 
getting out what our priorities are.
    However, as the head of the agency, my priorities have 
changed. I feel that the Most Wanted List, which at the time 
was created in 1990 to communicate our most important safety 
issues, is negative. When you call something most wanted, you 
think of the FBI's top most wanted criminals.
    In addition to that, my biggest concern is that the Most 
Wanted List is taking resources from our investigator staff, 
and right now 50 percent of our Most Wanted List is on highway 
safety. Our recommendations don't change whether we have a Most 
Wanted List or we do have a Most Wanted List. Our 
recommendations will always be there.
    But to staff the 50 percent, that's highway safety, we are 
using seven investigators to help do that from our Office of 
Highway Safety. We can't continue to do that. We have to make 
sure that we are working to carry out our core mission of 
accident investigation. So, I have asked one of my colleagues 
to take a look at the Most Wanted List and to recommend 
something else, whether it is something on our website that 
communicates our recommendations; but currently it is not 
something I think we should continue to support.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Chairman, my time has expired. Sorry to go 
over.
    Dr. Van Drew. Thank you.
    Next would be Mr. Stanton.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for this 
outstanding hearing, a good start to our process for FAA 
reauthorization.
    An important aspect of improving aviation safety is 
incorporating new technologies, and we have seen those benefits 
take shape in the implementation of NextGen. On the other hand, 
aviation stakeholders have expressed concern that the FAA is 
falling behind other civil aviation authorities in utilizing a 
technology called space-based ADS-B, which gives pilots and 
controllers real-time surveillance and situational awareness.
    Space-based ADS-B was developed in the United States and is 
currently used in 41 countries for air traffic control, air 
traffic flow management, search and rescue, and data analytics.
    Chairwoman Homendy, as we work to reduce aviation 
accidents, has the NTSB looked at this technology? And 
shouldn't expanded use for search and rescue and accident 
investigations be part of the solution?
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you so much for the question.
    Space-based ADS-B is certainly more precise, and that will 
help in our investigations. We don't do search and rescue, but 
we do partner with other agencies when that does occur so that 
more precise information leads to a better outcome in an 
investigation.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you.
    Mr. Boulter, small drones are playing an increasingly 
significant role in the inspection of America's critical 
infrastructure. I have seen firsthand the efforts of the 
Arizona Department of Transportation to inspect bridges that 
improves worker safety, decrease carbon emissions, and increase 
infrastructure resilience.
    However, some forms of infrastructure inspections require 
the small drones to fly outside the line of sight of the remote 
pilot while shielded by the infrastructure they are inspecting.
    The FAA waiver process can take months to complete and 
consumes significant resources for the FAA and operators, even 
for those low-risk, low-altitude infrastructure inspections. 
The FAA has stated that it intends to streamline and 
standardize the low-risk, beyond-visual-line-of-sight waiver 
process, which might include summary grants or pre-defined risk 
assessment.
    Can you commit to the committee today that the FAA will 
publish a streamlined process to enable low-risk, high-value 
inspections this year, consistent with the FAA safety and 
environmental goals?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I don't know if I can commit to this 
year, but I can absolutely commit to--that is important to us. 
It is work intensive to do the approvals you talk to, and we 
need those folks, frankly, to do--with those low-risk 
operations, if we can make those more automated and/or summary 
grants, then we can use--have those folks focus on rulemaking, 
which is what our next goal is, to get all of the--a lot of the 
recommendations from BVLOS, Beyond Visual Line of Sight ARC, 
into a rulemaking.
    So, we need to do it. The current process is not only labor 
intensive for industry but labor intensive for us.
    Mr. Stanton. Is there a timeline you are willing to commit 
to today?
    Mr. Boulter. Not today, sir. I would have to look into it a 
little bit more, but it is absolutely one of many priorities to 
get that done so that we can----
    Mr. Stanton [interrupting]. We will follow up regularly 
with you on this important issue.
    Mr. Boulter. OK. Absolutely.
    Mr. Stanton. My question also for you. I would like to 
commend the FAA's efforts on 5G spectrum and finding a path 
forward to this point that ensures aviation is safe and 
uninterrupted while the telecommunications industry deploys 5G.
    However, I am still concerned about the upcoming deadlines 
and airlines potentially not being able to retrofit their 
aircraft in the heart of summer peak season, leading to 
operational issues for aviation.
    Additionally, I understand there are ongoing conversations 
with the telecommunications industry on long-term mitigations 
for the continued deployment of 5G without disruption to 
aviation.
    Can you provide us an update on the status of conversations 
with the telecommunications industry on long-term mitigations 
on 5G?
    Mr. Boulter. So, the current mitigations are voluntary. 
They are approved through their license with the FCC to raise 
the power to their limits, and that is our concern. With that, 
that introduces risk and, hence, getting the radar altimeters 
updated. So, we continue to bring all of the stakeholders 
together and work with the wireless companies to continue that, 
their voluntary----
    Mr. Stanton [interrupting]. Thank you very much. I want to 
get one final question in here.
    Last year our colleague, Congressman Langevin, was denied 
boarding due to a lithium-ion battery which powered his 
wheelchair even though the battery met all FAA safety 
standards.
    Are there additional steps we should be doing right now in 
Congress as part of the FAA reauthorization to ensure that 
those who rely on mobility devices powered by lithium-ion 
batteries are not denied boarding?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, we can certainly work with our Office of 
Hazardous Materials Safety and make sure that the current 
authorizations are well-known in the airline industry so that 
that does not happen.
    Mr. Stanton. OK. We will be following up regularly on this 
important issue as well. Thank you.
    I yield back.
    Dr. Van Drew. Thank you.
    I yield 5 minutes to myself.
    First of all, very quickly, I wanted to just publicly thank 
the chairman for appointing me as vice chairman, and I look 
forward to working with all of you over these issues, both the 
Members, as well as people that are active participants.
    I want to welcome you to the first preparation for this 
year's FAA reauthorization. And, obviously, the United States 
of America led the world in 20th-century aviation, but we 
cannot take our leadership for granted. Congress must ensure 
that American aviation technology remains number one, the best 
in the world.
    I am concerned that the Federal Aviation Administration is 
falling short in this technological mission. The FAA is run by 
fine, hard-working folks dedicated to keeping the public safe. 
Often their jobs are made more difficult by a bureaucratic 
agency structure that was designed over 60 years ago, if we go 
back in time. This has led to disturbing trends of 
underperforming technology projects, including our drones, and 
even the Notice to Air Missions system.
    As Congress drafts authorization legislation for the FAA, 
we should examine how the agency's outdated organizational 
structure contributes to these recent technological 
disappointments.
    The FAA came to the Congress in 2021 asking for help with 
its organizational structure. The FAA claimed it needed new 
tools to coordinate the integration of advanced aviation 
technologies. This year's FAA bill is the opportunity to 
develop these tools and set the agency up for real success.
    I have introduced a proposal that solves the coordination 
problem by evolving the NextGen organization into an office of 
advanced aviation. I am actively working with colleagues across 
Congress and the aviation stakeholder community to prepare this 
proposal for the FAA reauthorization. We have been working on 
it for about 2 years. This hearing will provide valuable 
information for this effort.
    I direct my question to Mr. Boulter, the FAA's Acting 
Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety.
    Mr. Boulter, the FAA came to Congress 2 years ago and said 
it was time to evolve the NextGen organization. This 
organization plays a vital role in overcoming our aviation 
technology challenge. May you please describe the FAA's current 
plans for NextGen?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, I am not aware of what the agency's plans 
are for NextGen. Inside of aviation safety, I can just tell you 
what you talk about, we are committed to working across the 
agency to bring AAM forward.
    Dr. Van Drew. OK. Maybe you could next time we meet tell us 
a little more about your thoughts on NextGen. Thank you.
    I am also going to ask you, based on stakeholders being 
deeply frustrated with the FAA's approach to drone 
certification, do you all have a plan to change the drone 
certification process? And what role will aviation safety play 
in that process?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, we issue hundreds of exemptions a month. 
I think it is hundreds a month right now on allowing drone 
operations, drones over 50 pounds because we do not have 
regulations in place.
    So, we are working on building a rulemaking set based on 
the Beyond Visual Line of Sight ARC, the great recommendations 
that our Aviation Rulemaking Committee gave us. We are building 
that out as we speak, and we will continue to work towards a 
rule set for the drones bigger than 50 pounds and certainly 
commercial operations and agricultural operations and drones.
    Dr. Van Drew. What is your timeframe for that?
    Mr. Boulter. The rulemaking system is not quick, but we 
expect to have what we need to have done here from an aviation 
safety perspective later this year or early next year.
    Dr. Van Drew. How do you feel you have done with drones in 
general and with 5G?
    Mr. Boulter. I think in 5G, I think bringing everybody 
together in a place that we don't hold a lot of authority--we 
don't hold any authority on the signal. I think the way we 
worked that collaboratively across the Government and with the 
industry should be commended.
    I think in the drone environment, I think we could have 
moved out with rulemaking much sooner than this rather than 
being in this exemption world.
    Dr. Van Drew. Which is one of the things I think we have to 
work on is just making things move faster, more efficiently, 
and more focused.
    I appreciate your time. Thank you. And I appreciate all 
your work.
    Our next gentleman up is Mr. Garcia.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and to all 
the witnesses at this hearing this morning.
    In Chicago, the city council lifted up standards 
specifically acknowledging the importance of addressing 
security and stabilizing the workforce. This year airport 
service workers, including caterers, de-icers, baggage 
handlers, wheelchair attendants, aircraft cleaners, and cargo 
workers, among others, will see their minimum wage pay increase 
to $18 on March 1st.
    I am excited that one of these frontline workers, Diana 
Ordaz Quezada, will be attending the State of the Union tonight 
as my guest. Diana makes air travel possible for the elderly 
and people with disabilities at Midway International Airport 
and ensures they are transported to their destinations safely.
    She is on her feet for nearly 10 hours a day, walking 
30,000 steps while pushing passengers and handling their 
baggage.
    Diana is frequently told to stay for mandatory overtime, 
which is difficult for her as a mother of five to balance work 
and family needs. Diana is one example of the impacts of 
chronic turnover and wages that have barely improved in 20 
years in these airport service jobs. This is a dangerous 
combination, not only to have experienced staff leave the 
industry, but there are few incentives to bring new people into 
the workforce who do difficult and essential work at airports.
    I am proud to be following that approach and reintroducing 
the Good Jobs for Good Airports Act with my colleague 
Congresswoman Norton to ensure our taxpayer dollars are 
advancing a safe, secure infrastructure inside and outside 
airports.
    To Mr. Boulter, given the significant investments of 
Federal money into airports throughout the country, do you 
agree that it will be important for us to look at the 
connection between security, establish strong wage and benefit 
standards for service workers at our Nation's airports, and 
when thinking about how to ensure the gold standard of safety 
and security in our aviation system?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, safety is important to us in all aspects 
of aviation. The Aviation Safety Organization kind of ends as 
you get off the airplane and then into the airport's 
organization. I can certainly steer you to the airports folks 
and have you talk about your concerns with them, as they run 
the ground side in grants and safety standards of airports.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Well, thank you for at least 
acknowledging their important role, since you don't have 
jurisdiction.
    Mr. Chairman, if there is no objection, I would like to 
yield the rest of my time to Mr. Cohen.
    Dr. Van Drew. No objection.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    And thank you, Mr. Garcia.
    I will be quick. When I was talking to Mr. Hall's favorite 
employee at NTSB, she kind of gave me an answer that allowed me 
to shift to Mr. Boulter, and he is responsible for seeing that 
there are improvements to the black boxes and that they don't 
sink to the bottom of the ocean.
    You are familiar that in 2015, NTSB issued a safety 
recommendation calling for all aircraft use and extended over 
water operations to be equipped with cockpit voice recorder and 
flight data recorder whose recovery does not require underwater 
retrieval; but yet, nothing has happened with that. And it is 
listed as an ``unacceptable response'' by the FAA for their 
failure to act on this provision.
    Mr. Boulter, can you assure me that there will be an 
acceptable response and that response will be that the public 
is protected because we will have floating cockpit recorders 
mandated by the FAA?
    Mr. Boulter. I can assure you we will look at it. I am 
unfamiliar with that particular recommendation. We will look at 
that, sir. And I will have to take an IOU on that. Where we are 
on that I am not aware right this second.
    Mr. Cohen. Well, I appreciate your taking a look at it, but 
that is not a very good answer as far as I am concerned.
    And since Mr. Hall is one of the great heroes of aviation 
protections and safety, and this is his passion and desire to 
see this done to protect the public. I mean, it was a flight 
that was from South America to Europe, and it crashed somewhere 
there in the Pacific, and it took months. I think it was 6 or 7 
months to find the flight recorder.
    Ms. Homendy, can you edify Mr. Boulter to that problem in 
36 seconds or less?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes, I mean, I would just say that underwater 
recovery, especially when you have a very large debris field, 
is not only expensive but it can take significant time, and it 
is very difficult. So, that is why we recommended that we have 
them so that they would float.
    But it is ``open--unacceptable'' and hoping that FAA can 
take action.
    Mr. Cohen. So, the FAA can save a lot of money and maybe 
save some lives if they did this.
    Ms. Homendy. Save a lot of money and save a lot of time and 
get us to what happened after a significant tragedy sooner.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you, Mr. Boulter. I assume that will be a 
yes answer now?
    Mr. Boulter. As I said, sir, let me--I will give you that 
we were paying attention to every single ``open--unacceptable'' 
and every--we have a great relationship with the NTSB, 
sometimes harder to implement than the ``recommend,'' but we 
will take a look at that, and I will get back to you, sir.
    Mr. Cohen. Thank you, sir. And I will tell Mr. Hall.
    Dr. Van Drew. Thank you. I was going to try to be humorous 
and ask if that included balloons, but let that sink into the 
ocean. I will let it go.
    Mr. LaMalfa.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it.
    I am glad we are getting a good prompt start on our 
hearings for FAA reauthorization, so that we do this properly 
and thoughtfully as we wind through the beginning of the 
session.
    So, again, I just bounced from another committee, so, I 
hope I am not asking these too redundant from what has already 
been covered today. I have been concerned about pilot training 
and pilot availability and such. My information has that we are 
about 8,000 pilots short of a full complement nationwide. And, 
of course, that makes it much more difficult on the pilots 
themselves being asked to do even more. It affects routes. And 
my concern is especially of rural routes, small airports, 
things like that, in that it just makes it that much tougher 
for travel.
    So, the FAA has issued--I have here--9,500 certifications 
in the last couple of years. Pretty good. But they didn't quite 
keep up with the decrease for active pilots.
    It is noted today that the National Airspace System has 
become safer over time. Improvements and safety of our 
airspace, I believe, is prudent to reexamine the regulations 
requirements for what it takes to become a pilot. That is 
something we can look at.
    The training exam process to become a pilot in the U.S. can 
cost above $100,000. The FAA requires 1,500 hours of flight 
training, known as the 1,500-hour rule. Military pilots can do 
half that number. And some college graduates can have that 
number reduced to 1,000 or 1,250 hours.
    So, let me line this up for Captain Ambrosi. With 
improvements in the airspace system, do you believe we can be 
in a position to reconsider the minimum hours required for 
pilots, maybe especially military? Are there other requirements 
that can be reexamined, not to lower the level of safety or 
diligence, but that is reasonable within the context of what we 
are looking at here?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, thank you for your question. I can 
understand the plight of rural communities. But first and 
foremost, airlines make decisions on economics on where they 
allocate airplanes. It is not up to pilots. And I will tell you 
that, in the last year, there were 10,000 airline transport 
pilot certificates issued, more than pilots jobs in commercial 
airline business.
    So, we have a training backlog. COVID was obviously a major 
pandemic. It is great that we are all back in person here, but 
there is a training backlog. But there are more pilots today at 
major airlines than there were prepandemic, but they are flying 
less because they are all making their way through training. 
So, we have a situation where, when these pilots get back to 
where they belong, they will be more efficient and we will able 
to do more.
    But as far as rural communities, I would suggest that 
airlines use economics. They are flying many of those airplanes 
to more profitable cities now. They have upgauged over the last 
decade. And the smaller airplanes, when I started, were 30-
passenger airplanes or smaller. Now, the smallest airplane was 
50, and they are getting rid of the 50-passenger airplanes for 
economics.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Right.
    Mr. Ambrosi. Not because of a lack of pilots.
    Mr. LaMalfa. I wasn't saying, sir, that it was necessarily 
because of the pilots. It just might be an effect further down 
the chain that might see less. My focus mostly was on, would we 
be helping out the process if we had a harder look at the 
1,500-hour rule or some other portion of the requirements that 
could be brought more into line with what is really needed. If 
you have--former military, if you have others, could some of 
these credits, for example, is there more ways to expand 
credits and get that number lower and still not reduce adequate 
training?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, I will go back to we are at the safest 
period in aviation history right now, and a lot of that is 
because of these very rules. So, there is a significant credit 
for military, half of what the requirement is. There is a 
significant credit, as you mentioned, for the pilots that have 
gone to a 4-year college where they have gotten advanced 
academics.
    The system is working. There is a process in place. If 
someone has an alternate suggestion, the FAA has a process, 
that Congress has given that to the FAA, to review those and 
see what else is out there. However, again, I will reiterate, 
we are at this--this last decade is the safest in aviation 
history, and we should exercise caution----
    Mr. LaMalfa [interrupting]. Is my memory correct that 
before it got bumped to 1,500, the number was 250? Is that 
correct?
    Mr. Ambrosi. I don't recall there being a specific minimum. 
You had to have a specific licensing. So, it would have been 
about 250. And I can tell you from personal experience, sir, 
that I was a captain at a regional airline, flying that 30-
passenger turboprop with pilots that had 250, 500 hours as new 
hires. And I could qualify that as on-the-job training. And the 
traveling public does not deserve to have on-the-job training 
in an airliner, regardless of whether you are flying in and out 
of a large city or a rural destination.
    Mr. LaMalfa. All right. Thank you.
    I yield back. Thanks, Mr. Chairman.
    Dr. Van Drew. Next, Mr. Allred.
    Mr. Allred. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate all 
of our witnesses for being here. Mr. Boulter, I am right here 
for you.
    I wanted to also discuss the NOTAM system, because FAA 
recently reported to us that it would take until 2030 to 
complete fixes and modernize the system. And given that you are 
relying on vintage technology, which I think is you all's term, 
that timeline seems unacceptably long to me if we want to 
maintain our edge in aviation safety. And so, I wanted to 
acknowledge that the FAA budget is the same at $3 billion the 
year that it was in 2009 for these kinds of improvements. There 
is no increase, taking into account things like COVID or other 
increased costs that you have had to deal with.
    I understand the FAA is seeking $29.4 million this year to 
modernize NOTAM. And I wanted to hear from you, Dave, what it 
would actually take in terms of funding for us to fix this. 
Because it is not just the breakdown that we had as we saw with 
I think the Canadian airline incident that it is difficult to 
understand, and it seems the NOTAM system doesn't really seem 
to be working. So, what is the actual number? What do we need 
to do to try and get by 2025 NOTAM updated?
    Mr. Boulter. My good friends in air traffic are responsible 
for the NOTAM system, but it is my understanding that there is 
a desire to go faster in that update to that system. And if 
that requires more funding, then they will come back to 
Congress and ask for that.
    Mr. Allred. So, you are comfortable with the $29.4 million 
that you are requesting?
    Mr. Boulter. $29.4 million? I am sorry?
    Mr. Allred. I think that is what--you are requesting that 
this year to modernize.
    Mr. Boulter. Yes. Again, not my----
    Mr. Allred [interrupting]. Not your area?
    Mr. Boulter. Not my area, but certainly, if they need more 
than that, I would imagine they would make another request.
    Mr. Allred. OK. Well, we have also spoken previously about 
5G implementation. Everyone here is talking a lot about it. But 
are we just urging manufacturers to develop electronic filters? 
Are there other processes in place? Where are we in your 
opinion?
    And, Captain Ambrosi, if you wanted to also mention what 
you think pilots are experiencing in terms of 5G. Because I 
have been reading some concerning reports indicating heads-up 
display anomalies, autopilot issues, autothrottle shutoffs that 
seem to be related to 5G. And obviously, while we want to 
implement this, we need do it in the correct way.
    Mr. Boulter. Yes. I do believe that looking at the data 
that we have that since the power reductions have been agreed 
upon, that we are in a good space as far as the risk goes. Not 
unusual that--my history, I ran the Flight Inspection 
Organization, so, chasing mike ramps around the sky was our 
business. And then research and development organizations as 
well at which we have done a fair amount of testing with the 
wireless companies on FAA airplanes to look at the signal, at 
the reduced power reductions we are confident that they are 
limited to--very, very limited on any interruptions. And we are 
getting reports from pilots, and we keep that open, and we look 
at every single one of those reports.
    So, I think we are very comfortable there. And we are 
comfortable with what we are doing to the poor-performing radar 
altimeters. Those are the ones that we are updating--or the 
airlines are updating currently.
    And then longer term, there are many more people entering 
that space. The power is going to go up in July. We are looking 
at what are the longer term standards for radar altimeters to 
be built in the future so they will be immune to any future 
work in the adjacent space, if you will.
    Mr. Allred. Captain, I have about 1 minute left, and I 
wanted to ask you to weigh in on that, if you can, just from 
what you are hearing from your colleagues. But also, 
diversifying the kind of pilot workforce, not just by race or 
by gender, getting more women into the workforce. Do you have 
ideas on how we could go about doing that? Would access to 
student loans or programs like that be something that you would 
find interesting?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Absolutely. So, on the 5G front, I share 
everyone's concern that right now that is a voluntary 
mitigation and that in July it is going to come back. Airlines 
are making good progress on updating their radar altimeters. 
Congress could consider in this rate authorization forcing 
collaboration between the FCC and the FAA so hopefully stuff 
like this doesn't happen again, because this is obviously a 
safety problem.
    As far as diversifying workforce, we absolutely support 
Federal loans. We are a profession. Other professions get 
Federal student loans for advanced degrees and, largely, we are 
not in that. So, by extending that financing--it is expensive 
to become an airline pilot, but we are trying to broaden our 
diversification. I personally am trying to turn our 
organization into embracing the next generation of aviators, 
and I think that is essential. So, we are happy to work 
together on whatever we can do to do that. Because we want our 
workforce to look more like the--or represent the communities 
we serve. I apologize.
    Mr. Allred. Thank you, Captain.
    I yield back.
    Dr. Van Drew. Thank you.
    Next will be Mr. Westerman.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And thank you to the 
witnesses for being here today. I know that a lot of the 
Members on our side are my fellow colleagues on the House 
Natural Resources Committee. We had another hearing this 
morning, but we are back here in full force. And I look forward 
to working again on the reauthorization. And I was here in the 
last Congress under Chairman Shuster that reauthorized the FAA, 
and I know that there is a lot of work that needs to be done. 
And I also know that both Chairmen Graveses, the full committee 
Chairman Graves and the subcommittee Chairman Graves, have 
placed a strong emphasis on general aviation, which is 
important to my State and to my district.
    And, Mr. Boulter, I know that you are not in the air 
traffic control, you are not an air traffic control specialist. 
And I am hoping you can pass this along and have a colleague in 
the air traffic office follow up with me. I have a small 
airport in Mena, Arkansas. You may have heard of that. There 
was a movie made about it. It has a major problem with air 
traffic control.
    When planes dip below 4,000 feet, pilots lose contact with 
the Memphis Air Route Traffic Control Center. The folks at Mena 
have been trying to get a repeater installed so that the pilots 
aren't flying blind into the airport, but they haven't met with 
any success.
    We know that general aviation is critical to rural 
economies and small airports, and safety is always of paramount 
importance. I have spent more time than I probably needed to, 
or obviously not as much as I guess I need to but more than you 
would think, traveling to sites on top of mountains where these 
repeaters can be located, visiting with officials. And so far, 
we have just been able to get nowhere. Coming from--with an 
engineering background, this seems just atrocious. It should be 
easy do, not that expensive, and should have been done a long 
time ago.
    So, I would like to know what the FAA's plan is to provide 
reg coverage from the western edge of Memphis ARTCC to places 
like Mena that are currently cut off from radio contact due to 
mountains and other physical topography.
    Mr. Boulter. I certainly know Mr. Arel pretty well. My team 
is here taking notes, so, we will have Mr. Arel get back to 
you, who runs the Air Traffic Organization. I have flown into 
Mena myself, and I understand the issues with being able to 
pick up the center from Mena.
    Mr. Westerman. I am not going to ask what you were flying 
into Mena for, but----
    Mr. Boulter [interrupting]. I was actually dropping an 
airplane off for the paint shop there. I don't know if it is 
still in business, but it was many years ago I dropped a 
Convair in there for paint.
    Mr. Westerman. It wasn't a black airplane in the nineties.
    Mr. Boulter. No, it was not. We did it in full daylight.
    Mr. Westerman. So, as you know, my understanding is when a 
pilot gets ready to take off from Mena, they have to get on 
their cell phone and call air traffic control. And there is 
also not the greatest cell phone coverage over there. So, I 
know that is just a frustration I see in one airport in my 
district. I know there must be others around the country, so, I 
appreciate you passing that message along. And I look forward 
to working on the reauthorization of the bill.
    And, Mr. Chairman, I am going to yield back 1 minute and 27 
seconds.
    Mr. Nehls [presiding]. I thank you, Mr. Westerman.
    We will now have Mr. Auchincloss. You have 5 minutes, sir.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Thank you, Chairman.
    I want to start, Captain Ambrosi, just by voicing my 
support for the high standards for pilot training that are in 
place now. The flying public, as you say, deserves to know that 
those piloting them are fully trained and are not learning on 
the job.
    I want to turn now to an area that I am going to be 
focusing on with FAA reauthorization, which is curb management 
at airports. And, Ms. Buckley, I turn to you. Beyond separating 
out departing and arriving passengers and creating more access 
points to the terminal, proposals to alleviate congestion at 
the curb and improve safety include deploying dynamic pricing 
models at curbs; addressing vehicular infractions through 
automated enforcement; creating offsite ground transportation 
centers with fast, automated people movers; and advanced 
spatial sensing technologies to monitor congestion and safety 
risks.
    What is MITRE doing now, if anything, on helping airports 
and Congress think about better curb management at our Nation's 
airports? And what might Congress do to partner with the work 
that you are doing?
    Ms. Buckley. Thank you for the question. We certainly think 
about transportation from a citizen-centered view as well. It 
is a system of systems. So, we think about the continuous 
system of planes, trains, and automobiles really working 
together. And in terms of the technologies and the ways that we 
can model increasing efficiencies at curbside, I think the 
opportunities are tremendous.
    So, if we think about smart city-like sensors at curbs, 
understanding what is needed, all of the potential solutions 
that you just mentioned, we have the mechanisms and tools to be 
able to model out those solutions to see if any of them really 
will lead to the improved performance that you are looking for. 
So, I thank you for the question. I think it is an exciting 
area to pursue.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Well, I look forward to working with MITRE 
on that.
    And on a broader note, what do you think a trusting public-
private partnership in aviation safety looks like between MITRE 
and the public sector?
    Ms. Buckley. I would really point to the ASIAS program for 
the aviation component, so, operating as a trusted third-party 
provider of data where we can bring in sensitive data from 
multiple parties and house that in a trusted manner. And as we 
mentioned earlier, I think that is a model to move on to other 
types of certainly advanced air mobility as well as surface 
transportation and modes of transportation, to continue to see 
the advantages that we have gotten from these Voluntary Safety 
Reporting solutions.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Well, I have had the pleasure of visiting 
your facility in Bedford and certainly can see the value that 
MITRE creates as being, as you said, the objective neutral site 
for data sharing and as a center of excellence for our 
industry.
    Ms. Buckley. Thank you.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Final questions are for you, Mr. Boulter. 
Some companies are talking about air taxi service which would 
compete directly with existing transit and rail service in our 
cities. Has the FAA coordinated its planning with the other 
modal agencies to ensure it is not preferencing air taxis over 
rail or bus service in these areas?
    Mr. Boulter. So, as part of our agency response, we 
coordinate closely with the Department, and that would be 
Department--Department is just now working an interagency 
group. So, the Department has the rest of those modes. We would 
fully expect the Department is working on that. I don't know 
personally, but I do know we are looking, not today, for 
getting them into the sky, but as a Department, making sure 
that we understand the infrastructure around them.
    Mr. Auchincloss. I would encourage that cross-modal 
collaboration to continue at the State and local level.
    And then finally, commercial aircraft are traditionally 
thought of as large jets or turboprops. If eVTOLs become a 
reality, that perception many change. In fact, many companies 
are already advertising for future commercial service through 
our cities in four- to eight-passenger planes. What steps is 
the FAA taking to ensure that these smaller aircraft provide 
the same level of safety that we have today in our skies?
    Mr. Boulter. So, the certification of those devices are 
under our current rule set. Obviously they have some unique 
characteristics that we are--but we are able to pull from 
rotorcraft, pull from fixed-wing aircraft, and then some unique 
standards for those so that the design is safe. And that is the 
rule we are building right now, the powered-lift. So, you have 
airplanes, you have rotorcraft. We are building an in-between 
category of things that can do both. And we are learning how 
those are working, right----
    Mr. Auchincloss [interrupting]. This is the 10 to negative 
9?
    Mr. Boulter [continuing]. But we are also not giving up 
what we have learned all these years----
    Mr. Auchincloss [interposing]. Right.
    Mr. Boulter [continuing]. On how to build a good regulatory 
structure for operation. So, we are putting them in the middle, 
but they benefit from a little bit of both.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Right. And I know the Europeans are doing 
this as well. And I would just encourage the FAA to work from 
first principles on what we decide and not just fastball the 
Europeans, which I am not saying we are, but----
    Mr. Boulter [interrupting]. No. We are going to fit that 
into our rule set. We expect to have that done in the fourth 
quarter of 2024.
    Mr. Auchincloss. I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. I thank you, sir.
    I will give myself 5 minutes of questioning. I will just 
make an opening comment.
    I would like to thank everybody for being here. I like what 
I have heard so far. I thank everybody, what we have all heard. 
I like the gold standard, the safety that we have seen for the 
past several years.
    I am not going to ask you individually, but it would seem 
that you would all like to eventually have a boss. I mean, we 
don't have an Administrator with the FAA. You haven't had one 
for several months now. I believe you had one, but the nominee 
isn't going anywhere. It is being delayed in the Senate. And I 
think it would be very, very important that this administration 
would find a nominee that could actually get Senate 
confirmation, because I understand he has an interesting past. 
But that is just my point on that.
    I would like to start with you, Mr. Boulter. According to a 
recent study, nearly 70 percent of general aviation accidents 
could have been prevented if aircraft had advanced digital 
safety systems. I know industry is working hard to develop 
autolanding, autotakeoff, and advanced navigation systems for 
general aviation aircraft but are facing frustrating 
certification delays.
    A primary cause of delays is that various lines of business 
at the FAA must be engaged in reviews and often don't 
communicate effectively. So, what is the agency doing to ensure 
that FAA lines of business better coordinate and work towards 
performing concurrent reviews on these lifesaving technologies?
    Mr. Boulter. I can only speak for what I am doing and our 
team is doing, is that we are looking at these as projects. 
That is where we are with AAM, we are looking across the 
agency. If it requires cross-agency coordination as a project, 
we are going to treat it as a project. We are going to expect 
that it continue to move along, depending on its priority.
    These are lifesaving. Some of the autoland and some of 
those things, emergency landing systems that are being built, 
are really a game changer. And we agree with you that the 
general aviation accident rate is too high, even though it has 
been coming down. Even one death is too many, and that is a 
tragedy for whoever is involved.
    I can certainly look at where we are on that, but I know 
that with my colleagues at the management board in the FAA and 
the Acting Administrator, Deputy Administrator insisting upon 
that we do not act as we have in the past with stovepipes and 
that we work as teams to deliver for the American public.
    Mr. Nehls. Fair enough.
    Mr. Bunce, I want to thank you, Colonel, for your service 
in the Air Force. It is my understanding in your bio you are 
from Wisconsin. southern Wisconsin, where is that? Where are 
you from?
    Mr. Bunce. Milwaukee, sir. But I am a passionate Packers 
fan like you.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes. Got to get rid of that quarterback. He is 
no good anymore. Get rid of the quarterback.
    GAMA has significant experience working with companies 
seeking FAA certification for advanced safety systems. In 
previous testimony, sir, you explained that certification 
delays are often caused because the FAA doesn't have the 
correct group of technical experts engaged early in the 
process.
    Can you explain how this issue impacts the certification of 
new entrants and advanced safety technologies by the FAA? And 
how would you suggest, sir, this committee utilize the upcoming 
FAA reauthorization to address this problem?
    Mr. Bunce. Well, sir, I addressed in my opening remarks, 
when we go ahead and we have this delay in the rulemaking, we 
go ahead and require Mr. Boulter's people to be able to do all 
kinds of things, like special conditions, exemptions, things 
like that, that suck away all the specialists that we could 
have working on this new technology.
    So, to me, the most important thing that we could do is for 
this committee--and they have done so in the past in different 
reauthorizations--call for a 90-day review of the internal 
processes, not only within the FAA, but what then needs to go 
to the Department in rulemaking. And then when things do start 
getting delayed, then the process between the Department and 
the White House to be able to promulgate these rules.
    And what we are seeing is just we are delaying and 
delaying. And then we start to add more rules to that existing 
rule which further delays it. And it does have a negative 
impact on safety.
    Mr. Nehls. Fair enough. Thank you.
    I will finish with Ms. Homendy. I am looking at your 
budget. Fiscal year 2022 is $121.4 million. Fiscal year 2023 
you have $129.3 million. Is that enough? Are we good?
    Ms. Homendy. It is not enough. The $129 million actually 
came down to $127 million because we had to pay for recovery of 
an aircraft because insurance didn't pay for it. So, we don't 
have the resources that we need. We have asked for $145 million 
for fiscal year 2024, which will help us improve training and 
get more people on board at the agency.
    Mr. Nehls. OK. Thank you.
    I now yield to Ms. Hoyle. You have 5 minutes.
    Ms. Hoyle of Oregon. Thank you. And I want to thank 
everybody for coming and testifying today. It is really 
interesting.
    So, in recent years, airlines have attempted to carve out 
their workers from State and local labor protections, including 
minimum wage, work and rest breaks, medical and family leave, 
arguing that the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 preempted any 
of these labor protections that are below the Federal level. 
Such an act would severely impede airline worker recruitment, 
which there are already issues with. Federal preemption of 
State and local labor standards would also force workers to 
rely on Congress to intervene in labor disputes, as we saw with 
the recent rail strike.
    So, my question is for Mr. Boulter. Would you oppose 
enactment of any language that would preempt or lower airline 
labor standards? And if so, why or why not?
    Mr. Boulter. Thanks for the question. Unfortunately, that 
is way out of my lane of aviation safety. We are interested in 
certainly fatigue and other things for flightcrews. Other parts 
of the agency, our legal department, we could have Government 
affairs get back to you and answer that question for you.
    Ms. Hoyle of Oregon. I think it is important because, 
again, worker protections, making sure that people feel safe, 
that will help us in recruiting staff, which, again, I think is 
important.
    And to that end, we have also seen, since the COVID-19 
pandemic, a lot more assaults of airline workers and flight 
attendants, significant rise in assaults. There were thousands 
and thousands of unruly passengers in 2021. There were 2,359 
unruly passenger reports in 2022.
    So, as part of the 2018 FAA reauthorization, Congress 
mandated that air carriers develop employee assault prevention 
and response plans to address violence against frontline 
aviation workers. While most airlines have submitted plans, the 
FAA does not believe they have the authority to enforce them or 
hold airlines accountable if they do not submit these plans.
    So, again, Mr. Boulter, would the FAA support legislative 
language to clarify the FAA's authority to enforce mandatory 
employee assault prevention and response plan? Right now, 
crewmembers can receive voluntary advanced self defense 
training to ensure safety and integrity of the cockpit door. 
Would the FAA support mandatory self-defense training for all 
airline crewmembers?
    Mr. Boulter. Certainly, safety of the airline workers or 
any worker, frankly, in America is paramount. I am not sure 
where the FAA line is. I would have to probably talk to the 
legal department. On board the aircraft, once boarded, most of 
those outside of that are handled by law enforcement. But once 
boarded, then we have taken a zero-tolerance policy for in-
flight. And the most egregious cases get referred to the 
Department of Justice.
    Thankfully, I believe the numbers are coming down, at least 
the last I saw, a little bit. But even one is unacceptable for 
treating in-flightcrew anything other than with respect and 
dignity.
    Ms. Hoyle of Oregon. Thank you.
    And final question, we have talked about trying to recruit 
more pilots, and there are barriers, whether they are financial 
barriers, and they are significant. And in Oregon, we have some 
pilot programs that have really worked well to get more 
representation from underrepresented communities, rural 
communities, people that aren't affluent, to get into to become 
pilots. So, happy to talk to you about that.
    But for right now, as you said, I personally don't believe 
we should lower standards, but you have a lot of people that 
are in training. What do you think about or would you support 
increasing the airline pilot retirement age, especially to have 
them mentor new pilots coming in, provided that they can show 
that they have competency to still fly the planes?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Thank you for the question. It is a solution 
that is in search of a problem. It puts an uncertain risk in 
the environment. So, it goes beyond just raising the retirement 
age, which hasn't had enough study. What does happen, though, 
is the most senior pilots fly international operations. So, 
those pilots will not be allowed to continue flying 
international operations past the age of 65. So, those pilots 
will be forced to come back and fly domestic flying on a 
smaller piece of equipment, thereby going through another 
training cycle, a very training cycle that could have been for 
a pilot that is coming up that has a longer term ability to 
fill that position.
    So, it is going to create a shorter term problem for the 
airlines and a training problem in that period of time, so, it 
is more of a problem than any solution that would offer.
    Ms. Hoyle of Oregon. Thank you.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    Now Mr. Mast.
    Mr. Mast. Thank you, Chairman.
    I want to thank you all for your testimony. Good to see you 
all, many of you again. Some of us have spoken recently.
    Ms. Homendy, you and I have spoken already. My questions 
are reserved for you, so, the rest of you can relax for a 
couple of minutes. You are aware of the issue I am going to 
speak to you about, it is literally grave concern because of 
fatalities.
    In numerous communities in Florida, the only real tie to 
aviation is that they are planning to tie this train to Orlando 
International Airport. But I want to talk to you a little bit 
about NTSB, the Brightline train. And just try to understand 
something about NTSB is my goal in this conversation.
    NTSB reserves its investigations for crashes where you can 
learn something new about transportation world, something 
unique is happening. I have a pretty correct understanding 
there?
    Ms. Homendy. We have a specific statutory mandate. And on 
rail, it involves a fatality or a serious injury. It includes 
grade crossings, but it is--they are the ones that we believe 
have significant safety issues that we would like to weigh in 
on.
    Mr. Mast. So, to give some stats, we are talking about over 
the course of basically 5 to 6 years, some of that being test 
rail time, some of that being actual retail passengers, paying 
passengers, a total of about 75 miles of service, very short 
distance of train track running, an area that there has been 
freight rail running for many years and other passenger rails 
running for many years.
    In 2022, 22 fatalities; 2021, 7 fatalities; 2020, another 7 
fatalities; 2019, 28 fatalities; 2018, 7 fatalities; 2017, 2 
fatalities. At what point does the volume of incidents, some of 
them fatal, some of them nonfatal, many of them by suicide, 
many of them nonintentional, but at what point does volume of 
incident become something unique that needs to be looked at?
    And the reason this is very important to my community, the 
75 miles that it is running largely doesn't run through my 
community right now. But they are expanding, doubling the 
length of this track to now run through my community up to the 
Orlando International Airport, and it has been captioned that 
this is the deadliest train in America per mile. I don't want 
it to be the deadliest train in America per mile, but now also 
running through the breadth of my community and my community 
now having those statistics.
    So, at what point does this become the instance, the amount 
of instances that we have there make it unique?
    Ms. Homendy. Well, I have shared with the staff that I 
believe that we should do a special investigation on the 
Brightline fatalities and injuries. We recently launched on one 
that we thought we could open up an investigation, but 
unfortunately it was a suicide, which we do not do 
investigations of suicides.
    So, we do continue to monitor safety on the line and work 
with FRA, who also has a responsibility to investigate those 
accidents as well.
    Mr. Mast. My understanding was there is--I know the 
incident you are talking about. There is one that happened just 
a couple of weeks prior to that one that was not a suicide. I 
think we made your staff aware of it. They were not tracking 
the incidents.
    Looking at this, I guess you could say--or I should rather 
ask it, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Is there 
anything, in your opinion, as we look at this to say that 
something has changed to indicate the statistics would be 
different in the expanded rail service? Has something changed 
to say that the stats will be different?
    They went back up again in 2022 to 22 deaths. The year 
before there were seven. So, it doesn't look like statistically 
there is a decline.
    Ms. Homendy. I am not aware of anything. But I will say, 
this occurred on the Northeast Corridor before Amtrak closed 
all the grade crossings. So, that is how Amtrak dealt with it.
    You do have a significant safety problem in Florida. I have 
pulled up in a car and almost ended up right on the tracks, 
because there will be a light right before and then a light 
right after and then you have no idea where you are supposed to 
pull up. So, it is a significant issue.
    Mr. Mast. One more quick--I don't think I got an answer to 
this. You said the incident you spoke of most recently, it was 
a suicide, you couldn't investigate it. Does the volume of 
incidents equal something that is unique, where there is 
something to be unusual and learn because there has been so 
many crashes?
    Ms. Homendy. I believe so, sir, yes.
    Mr. Mast. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate your testimony 
today.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Mr. Mast.
    We will now go to Ms. Foushee.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you all 
for being here with us today.
    I would like to turn our attention back to diversity in the 
aviation workforce. Congressman Allred touched a bit on this, 
but I would like to do some followup.
    In 2021, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that 
only 3.9 percent of pilots in the U.S. aviation industry were 
Black. This is an increase of 0.5 percent over the 2020 
statistics, but it still does not compare to the 94 percent who 
identify as White.
    In my home State of North Carolina, Elizabeth City State 
University, an HBCU, hosts the only 4-year collegiate aviation 
education program in the State of North Carolina, offering 
students a bachelor of science degree in aviation science.
    With five different concentrations to choose from, 
graduates of this program go on to work for large commercial 
airlines, defense contractors, Federal agencies, and more. This 
program at ECSU is one of few aviation education programs 
offered at HBCUs across the Nation, but it is programs and 
partnerships like this one that are helping to diversify the 
aviation workforce.
    So, with that being said, my first question today is for 
Captain Ambrosi. Can you talk to us a little bit about how the 
Air Line Pilots Association is working with airlines to 
diversify training programs and the aviation workforce as a 
whole?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, Representative, thank you for the 
question. So, as I stated earlier, we absolutely believe in a 
more diverse workforce. I am from Delta. Delta Air Lines has 
partnered with universities to try to increase more diverse 
workforce and get more folks interested, trying to reach out to 
the community largely to get a more diverse workforce 
interested in it. It goes beyond that, though, because as we 
have spoken, there are hurdles to entry based on expense. It is 
very expensive to become an airline pilot. It is a great 
profession.
    Fortunately, we have negotiated some excellent contracts, 
and the regionals are starting to pay more. So, now people see 
a light at the end of the tunnel and say, if I am forced to 
spend this time and this effort to get there, I will get 
somewhere some day that I can have a means to pay back any kind 
of student loans that we get through this program.
    But we absolutely support Federal legislation to put 
student loans--our profession in line with other professions 
that allow student loans to become an airline pilot, thereby 
bringing more in from the communities we serve in a more 
diverse workforce.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you for that.
    And a similar question to you, Chair Homendy. Your written 
testimony discusses your goal of hiring additional personnel 
and rightsizing your agency. Can you discuss any diversity 
efforts the agency plans to take when achieving these efforts? 
And also, what resources are needed from Congress to achieve 
this?
    Ms. Homendy. Absolutely. Thank you very much. We are 
working to implement the Executive orders that we have 
developed strategic plans to hire and recruit and maintain a 
diverse workforce. That means a great deal to us. I have 
appointed a chief diversity officer. In addition, internally we 
are working with HBCUs and others to hire, and looking to 
expand who we are working with to recruit employees to the 
agency.
    Mrs. Foushee. And one followup. And what are the 
consequences, in your estimation, of not investing in the 
NTSB's workforce now?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes. Our workforce is the same size as it was 
in 1997, and we have a great mandate. Every time we get an 
increase, most of that increase goes to the annual pay increase 
for Federal employees, which is also needed, but we need to 
expand our workforce, our training for our workforce, to 
accomplish the mission that Congress has tasked us to carry 
out.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you. And I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    We will now go to Mr. Stauber.
    Mr. Stauber. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    And I think that Chairman Graves opened this hearing up to 
talk about the bipartisanship, the opportunity you have. I 
truly believe that. And I have all the faith in both our 
chairman and the ranking member, have respect for both of them. 
So, I am looking forward to this healthy debate.
    Tim and Jordan are probably the only ones in this room that 
know this. It was about 6 years ago that I had my 43 hours of 
my pilot's license in my logbook. And I did a couple of 
landings, and my instructor was in the front seat, and I did 
them very well.
    And, Captain, you probably know this, that that first solo 
flight, I was so glad she didn't have me come to the ramp and 
get out and say I am on my own, because I haven't soloed yet. 
And unfortunately, a run for Congress and serving the people of 
the district have--my private pilot license has eluded me. But 
I have to say I am thrilled to be on the T&I Committee and the 
Aviation Subcommittee.
    We talk about the gold standard. Every witness here, in 
your testimony, it is all about safety, making sure that we 
bring the gold standard to America and then show the world as 
well. I really appreciate all of your testimony.
    As you know or some of you may know, and I am going to 
start this question out with Captain Ambrosi. The NOTAM system 
that we know has failed, Mr. DeSaulnier and I have championed 
that out of the House. It passed 424, I think, to 4 or 6. So, 
it is a high priority. And by the way, it passed out 4 years 
ago, too. It seems like this is more urgent. And I urge you all 
to contact your Senators to get this across so we can get that 
task force going to make it better.
    Can you just describe the current NOTAM system and some of 
the concerns? And how important is it that the Senate takes 
this up so we can get that task force up and running? We can do 
it very quickly.
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well, I thank you for the question, sir. 
First, go get that pilot's license. All right?
    Mr. Stauber. OK.
    Mr. Ambrosi. All right. So, the NOTAMs are essential. We 
have a very complex job, and getting information and processing 
information is essential.
    I fly internationally. I go across the ocean, going to 
Milan or Venice. I have information from not only the departure 
but the destination and every spot in between that we need to 
process. So, without NOTAMs and that information, we can't do 
our job. So, it is essential.
    Now, I support what action they took to restart the system. 
There is a system and a backup. I am not going to profess to be 
at an engineering level on how the actual systems work, but 
they did what they needed to do in that moment. But we do--it 
shows that there needs to be an emphasis put on funding and 
resources to make sure that that system is improved and 
reliable going forward so that we don't have a disruption like 
that.
    Mr. Stauber. I think that--you talk about funding, we can 
talk about funding, but we also need leadership at the senior 
levels and not just changing the name from Notice to Airmen to 
Notice to Air Missions. If we just have a name change, we are 
going to have the systemic failure like we did on January 10 
and 11. So, I think it is important that we bring that up.
    So, Mr. Boulter, I want to ask you the same thing on the 
NOTAM system. What are some of the changes that you would like 
to see and some of the recommendations that have come to you 
already?
    Mr. Boulter. So, obviously as the captain has said, the 
NOTAM system is critical to operational control at an airline. 
We require an airline to have all information regarding that 
flight, both the dispatcher and the pilot to agree that that 
can be--you conduct it safely based on the information 
available, to which NOTAM is a huge part of that. So, everybody 
inside the agency understands the criticality of the NOTAM 
system.
    From a safety perspective, while it's unfortunate that that 
system caused us to go to a ground stop, allowing flights to go 
without appropriate information would--we wouldn't be living 
into our safety standard.
    Mr. Stauber. With just 30 seconds left, I think that we 
have to really understand that--and I am asking you to talk to 
your Senators, because we can get that task force up and 
running maybe before the FAA even reauthed. It is that 
important. We can't have another failure.
    And I just want to say in my last 20 seconds, I can't tell 
you how much I appreciate all of you and your input into making 
our aviation the safest. And we are going have robust debates, 
but I believe that we are going to continue to lead the world 
with the exceptional experience that we have. And I talk to my 
pilots friends all the time. It is about safety, safety, 
safety, both below the wings and above the wings. Thank you 
all.
    And I yield back.
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, as a former flight instructor, I hope you 
will get that solo done.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    I now yield 5 minutes to Mr. DeSaulnier.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you. I want to be able to jump in and 
thank my colleague for working on the NOTAM bill and the 
success we have had.
    Mr. Boulter, Jennifer, it is nice to see you. And thanks 
for recognizing our work. So, I want to talk about that.
    When Air Canada happened, you will remember, because it was 
at SFO, and I am a neighbor. Went to the tower, talked to the 
people who operated there, talked to the pilots, talked to many 
of your predecessors about the NOTAM system and why it was 
ignored in that instance.
    So, we have all talked about safety. I agree with you, we 
should really be proud of what we have done. But in that 
instance, we came within 59 feet, according to your 
investigation, Jennifer, of having the largest air disaster in 
the history of the country. Subsequent to that, in the last 
FAA, we worked together. We got a lot of good things in there 
to make sure some of the things that had that risk had been 
remedied.
    The thing I am concerned about is NOTAM and human factors 
and the fact that this keeps coming up. And I am haunted by the 
ghost of Richard Feynman, if you can remember who he was, and 
the minority report from the Challenger discovery where he 
called it institutional deviation, where NASA knew the O-rings 
were going to fail. Since we just had the anniversary of this, 
it is top of my mind. In his genius, Nobel prize winning 
physicist saying the institutions knew that it was going to 
fail, but they looked past it: institutional deviation.
    My frustration with dealing with FAA and your staff, to 
tell you the truth, to make sure they are doing what Congress 
told them to do. We just allocated $30 million to upgrade the 
system in the appropriations bill in the omnibus.
    So, Mr. Boulter, how can this committee and the two authors 
of the bill and the chair and the ranking member make sure that 
you are actually implementing this and sending the message out 
that the recommendations from NTSB are being done? Or we are 
going to have a disaster and all of the statistics will go 
away. All the public will remember was that we brought this up 
over and over again. We funded it, and I am worried that we are 
hoping it will go away. We need to make that exclamation.
    And, Captain, I would love to hear your response, if we 
have time. How do we make pilots who are highly trained make 
sure they have confidence in that system?
    Because we also know from the research that once highly 
trained people, whether it is in healthcare or aviation, start 
to question the system, they just by human nature don't pay 
attention. So, what are we doing, and how can we make sure that 
you are doing it right?
    Mr. Boulter. Safety obviously, sir, from the Administrator 
on down, is our North Star, as he likes to say. And we are 
doing everything we can, whether it be NOTAMs or whether it be 
these two events. Really the NTSB's teams are out on those two 
events, and we are looking at it from a pilot performance piece 
of that in aviation safety. And I know air traffic is looking 
at those last two events.
    No one takes it for granted that these are serious events, 
and we need to double down on what is it that is causing these. 
What did we miss in our voluntary systems? What have we missed 
in our data that would cause these. It always makes----
    Mr. DeSaulnier [interrupting]. I am going to interrupt you. 
And I would love to follow up with you, but I understand how 
these hearings go.
    Ms. Homendy, could you comment?
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you very much. And it was devastating 
what occurred--what could have occurred at SFO in 2017. From 
the human factor standpoint, our recommendation on NOTAMs--so, 
it is not just about the NOTAM system, it is what is in a 
NOTAM. And right now, for that specific flight, you had the 
runway closure, which was at the bottom of three pages of 
information.
    So, as a human being, as a pilot, you have to make 
absolutely sure that the flightcrew knows that what you are 
presenting to the flightcrew, how you are presenting it, and 
that you are presenting the most critical information that they 
need. Putting ``there is bird activity'' on the top--show me an 
airport where there is not bird activity. And then putting the 
runway closure at the bottom doesn't make any sense. They need 
to know what is most appropriate, what is most critical for 
their flight so they get there safely.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Captain, do you have anything just briefly?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Well said. I couldn't agree more. It is not 
just the information, it is about how the information is laid 
out. But we are professionals, we look through the data. Not 
having the data is the biggest problem, so, we are not going to 
operate without it. But I couldn't agree more.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Well, I want to follow up with all of you.
    And with all due respect, Mr. Boulter, we all believe in 
safety, but there is an urgency to this. And I am personally 
frustrated with your organization through multiple 
administrations and your lack of responsiveness to me. So, I 
would love to follow up with you with specifics, with all of 
you.
    Thank you. I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. I now yield 5 minutes to Mr. Edwards.
    Mr. Edwards, 5 minutes.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    To all of you, thanks for being here this afternoon. I 
appreciate the opportunity to work with you from this position. 
I am one of the newest members of this committee. I am really 
eager to get to know and work with you to provide an incredible 
service, a much needed service to all Americans.
    My first question is to Mr. Boulter. Our regional airport, 
Asheville Regional Airport, broke ground recently to rebuild a 
control tower that is 61 years old. We were all celebrating 
this and thought that it was a lot of money at $55 million for 
that particular project. And then I had a chance to hear from 
another major airport in North Carolina, the Charlotte Douglas 
International Airport. They are working to break ground on a 
new runway at a cost of about $1 billion. And that airport is 
about the sixth largest, I understand, in the U.S. or at least 
we are going to claim that for today.
    But it occurs to me in looking at this regional airport, 61 
years old, probably the oldest in the country, and then I 
compare that to this huge airport that needs to improve 
capacity and safety and look at the price tag on that, that we 
need a way--I need to understand a way that we prioritize--as 
much as we would like to go out and pay for every project, we 
need a way to prioritize these projects.
    How are we going to go about doing that together? Do you 
put together a list and we arm wrestle over it? What does that 
look like for a new Member here?
    Mr. Boulter. So, air traffic control towers, for the most 
part, are--I am sorry. Air traffic control towers are 
prioritized by air traffic, and they have a whole set of 
criteria. We could certainly get the air traffic folks that do 
that in here to talk to you, sir. And then airports would be 
the runways piece, right? So, they are kind of--the air traffic 
equipment is the towers in the airports. I know airports 
obviously has a whole prioritization system built into theirs. 
My days in air traffic, they have a pretty robust system on 
facility condition. Obviously 61 years, it is probably time.
    So, obviously we could get them in to kind of tell you how 
they prioritize air traffic systems and how they prioritize 
airports, both of those organizations, be happy to do that.
    Mr. Edwards. And thank you. So, am I to assume now that 
there is a list of all of these needs in America in some 
prioritized order that we will be able to look at as a 
committee when we are looking at which ones come first, which 
ones could reasonably wait till somewhere down the road?
    Mr. Boulter. I believe air traffic has that information for 
facilities. And I am not familiar with the airports' version of 
that.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you.
    It looks like what will be my last question is for Captain 
Ambrosi. Also looking at my district, NC-11, we have got two 
pilot schools in the entire district. They are only about 20 
minutes from one another. And yet we have got some very rural 
parts of the district that don't have reasonable access to 
pilot schools. And with what I believe the shortage of air 
pilots that we are looking at nearing 80,000, and considering 
that rural parts of my district might very well have some up 
and coming pilots, what can we do? What are we doing to offer 
more opportunities for folks that maybe would want a career in 
aviation?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Thank you for the question. As I have said, we 
are encouraging Congress to take action to extend Federal loans 
to people of very diverse background and beyond those that just 
can afford it. It is very expensive to get into this 
profession. And there needs to be an ability for folks that 
don't have the money or have the ability to go to the military 
to be able to do that. So, absolutely we support legislation to 
diversify and offer Federal funding.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you. Mr. Chair, I yield.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    I now yield 5 minutes to Mr. Carbajal.
    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Bunce, I know the development of better products and 
new technology plays an important role in reducing the aviation 
industry's impact on the environment. Will the steps you 
outline in your testimony to improve the regulatory and 
certification process help with progress in this area?
    Mr. Bunce. Absolutely, sir. What we are doing on 
sustainability is truly impressive. We are an aviation Nation. 
We lead the world.
    Just noticed the other day on the Mall, I was thinking, 
what other industry or what other transportation sector has not 
only one but two Smithsonian museums? We are the world leaders.
    So, on a sustainability front, we are doing incredible 
research on augmented thrust through using electric power 
generation in larger and larger aircraft. We are looking at 
hydrogen power. We are being able to go ahead and look at 
lighter and lighter capability using fly-by-wire technology 
that really leverages. As you make the airplane lighter, you 
extend range. And so, fuel efficiency really matters to us to 
be able to meet our sustainability goal.
    So, again, it is a very exciting time. And if we can get 
the certification process to be more agile, to be able to be 
responsive by implementing some of these recommendations, I 
think we can make some great strides.
    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you.
    Captain Ambrosi, looking through your testimony, I see that 
you have highlighted the changes to pilot training and 
qualifications, and that you also flew for regional airlines 
before becoming a captain at Delta Air. Can you explain to the 
committee how you built your flying hours and how pilots 
generally develop flight-hours prior to receiving their ATP 
certificate?
    Mr. Ambrosi. Yes, sir. Thank you for the question.
    I, like everyone on this panel, love aviation, so, I was 
excited as a young man to go to a 4-year aviation school where 
I did an advanced aviation degree. And then I flight 
instructed. I flew helicopters for a lengthy period of time. We 
had flight instructing and doing commercial photography, 
exercising the privileges of my commercial certificate. I flew 
multiengine airplanes, teaching folks how to fly on that. I 
transitioned to Atlantic Southeast Airlines. Back in the day we 
called them commuters, now they are called regionals. But I 
flew a 30-passenger turboprop. I got hired probably 1,800 to 
1,900 hours of time, of mostly commercial flying. At least 
1,500 hours of it was commercial flying.
    And there I flew a 30-passenger airplane for a few years, 
upgraded to captain at the regional airline where, as I have 
mentioned previously, I flew with first officers that had been 
hired with 250- to 500-hour range. This was pre-2010 bill, and 
at times it was on-the-job training. So, it shouldn't be that 
way, but it is no fault of their own.
    We are in a more complex system now. Some would think that 
automation should make things easier. And as an operator, I can 
tell you that sometimes it doesn't. In the more complex 
airspace, as we welcome more users in, it is essential that we 
make sure that our pilots have the training and experience to 
safely carry our passengers.
    Mr. Carbajal. I can assure you all the young boys and girls 
watching this hearing are saying I want to be like him when I 
grow up, all those aircrafts you have flown.
    Administrator Boulter, we are in an exciting era in 
aviation with new advancements in technology like advanced air 
mobility, sustainable aviation fuel, and commercial space 
travel. We are poised to transform air travel.
    My district is home to Vandenberg Space Force Base, which 
also serves as a spaceport. I understand the FAA and the Air 
Force signed the commercial space agreement in June of 2021, 
aimed at protecting safety and better coordination.
    What resources does the FAA have to continue to promote 
commercial space infrastructure? And how are you continuing to 
prioritize safety?
    Mr. Boulter. Thank you, sir.
    I can have somebody from commercial space answer your 
question for you. Commercial space is a little out of my lane, 
but I will be happy to have them talk to you about how they can 
do that. Kelvin would be happy to do that, sir.
    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, sir.
    I yield 5 minutes to Mr. Yakym, 5 minutes.
    Mr. Yakym. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And thank you to all the witnesses for taking time to 
inform us on this important topic.
    I think this hearing is the best way to kick off our work 
on the FAA reauthorization because we must always keep safety 
at the forefront of everything we do in aviation. We must look 
at every aspect of this policy through the lens of safety in 
order to ensure that what we do maintains the sterling 
reputation that we know to be American aviation.
    Our goal 100 percent of the time, 1,000 times out of 1,000, 
is to get passengers, pilots, and flight attendants from point 
A to point B safe and sound. And the same goes for everyone on 
the ground, too, from mechanics to baggage handlers to air 
traffic controllers and gate agents.
    And in the unlikely event that something goes wrong, we 
must have expert investigators who are ready to get to the 
bottom of whatever issue transpired and make recommendations to 
prevent future incidents.
    With that, I want to turn to an issue that I have heard 
from a number of my constituents about in my short time in 
Congress. Our community, South Bend, Indiana, recently lost a 
feeder flight that connects families and businesses from South 
Bend and the surrounding area to the rest of the globe.
    What I am trying to figure out is how we bring these types 
of feeder flights back to secondary and tertiary markets. I 
know that there are probably a lot of things that contribute to 
this issue, but I want to focus today on the aviation 
workforce.
    So, as I survey this witness panel, I see a depth of 
knowledge but also a wide range of different facets within the 
aviation industry that are represented. So, my question is 
this: How do we attract more people into the aviation industry? 
Are there barriers from someone starting a career in aviation? 
And how do we increase the pool of people wanting to become 
pilots or mechanics and join other aspects of the aviation 
ecosystem?
    And I will start with Mr. Bunce.
    Mr. Bunce. Sir, as Mr. Bolen pointed out, in the last 
reauthorization, we really looked at youth in aviation and also 
women in aviation because, quite frankly, we have already 
talked about diversity, but the majority of our workforce is 
male dominated. And so, we are missing a great percentage of 
the population.
    So, our outreach and all of us have programs on board, 
whether you are in Government or in industry, that tries to 
reach out to youths and tell them be part of this incredible 
industry that we have out there; but there are things that we 
learned through that study that we hope we can expand upon in 
future reauthorizations to be able to say how we appeal to a 
young lady is different than how we appeal to a young man. And 
we are talking down in middle school.
    And if we talk about what you can do for the environment, 
we emphasize a sustainability theme, or what you can do in 
disaster response, that has a different appeal to a young woman 
than it does to a man. So, we have got to be able to adapt.
    We have also got to be able to look at demographics out 
there and say, OK, there are certain people and certain groups 
in our country that have a propensity toward mechanical skills. 
We talk a lot about the need for pilots, but I can tell you 
that we have an acute need for mechanics and line people and 
people to work in our factories.
    So, we have got to talk about this industry and the 
opportunities, the great pay that is in it, but also an ability 
that if you get into it, we will help you further your 
education. You work for a company, or a company will have 
programs to be able to let you, if you want to go to college or 
get a master's and develop those skills further, we will help 
you.
    Mr. Yakym. All right. Thank you.
    Ms. Homendy, same question.
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you very much.
    Twenty-nine percent of those women who are passionate about 
aviation became passionate before they were 10 years old. So, 
we have to offer kids opportunities to really develop that 
passion for aviation. You can do that through air shows and 
education and partnerships.
    But I do want to highlight the Women in Aviation Advisory 
Board that Pete mentioned, which was required, which was tasked 
in the last authorization bill, and I hope we will continue its 
work, and they put out the ``Breaking Barriers for Women in 
Aviation'' report, which has a number of recommendations: 11 
for Congress, 15 for FAA, including nursing accommodations, 
which exist in each of these buildings, and 14 for industry.
    We have an opportunity to encourage women in the workforce, 
but the greatest barriers are discrimination, lack of career 
opportunities, lack of flexibility, meaning work-life balance, 
and sexual harassment; and I am going to talk about that for 
one second.
    Seventy-one percent of women in aviation experience sexual 
harassment, 81 percent witnessed it, and 51 percent were 
retaliated against for reporting it. We have to address these 
issues because we want to encourage women. We want to encourage 
kids to come into aviation.
    It is a fact that I am only the fourth woman to serve as 
Chair of the NTSB since 1967, and we have a workforce of less 
than 3 percent of mechanics are women, less than 9 percent of 
pilots are women, less than 17 percent are air traffic 
controllers, 19 percent dispatchers; CEOs, 3 percent.
    We have an opportunity, and this aviation industry is so 
great for work, and I want to work with the industry and work 
with Congress to see how we can enable kids and women and 
others to really get excited about aviation because now is the 
time.
    Mr. Yakym. And as a father of two young girls, I could not 
agree more.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Owens [presiding]. Thank you.
    Ms. Peltola, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Peltola. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am very pleased to 
be here as the new vice ranking member for the Aviation 
Subcommittee. It is a real please to be here.
    I represent Alaska, and for Alaskans, aviation really is 
just the way that we get around, the way that we get our goods 
and services, the way we go to the doctor or the grocery store. 
It is really a critical enterprise, and we are always looking 
to ensure that we continue to improve aviation safety, as well 
as ensure a thriving aviation industry. These are essential to 
both the smallest villages and the biggest cities that I 
represent.
    The other thing, everybody knows this, but safety really is 
all about teamwork, and as we work towards an FAA 
reauthorization bill this Congress, I want to make sure that 
this committee recognizes that achieving safety means ensuring 
we have the right processes and standards in place, the right 
infrastructure investments, and the right leaders at the table 
both nationally and locally to advance aviation as a whole.
    And I will focus my question today on aviation safety 
efforts in the State of Alaska, also recognizing that the 
importance of aviation safety standards really is nationwide. 
There isn't anywhere really even in the world where this isn't 
critical, and I want to see that the FAA continue to be the 
gold standard safety regulator for the aviation industry.
    So, my first question is for Mr. Boulter.
    In 2021, the FAA, in consultation with Alaska aviation 
community stakeholders, developed 11 recommendations to address 
Alaska's unique safety hazards through its Alaska Aviation 
Safety Initiative, FAASI. And I was wondering what progress has 
FAA made in implementing these recommendations? And, more 
specifically, can you provide an update on the various weather 
observing system updates and installations that are needed and 
what the FAA is doing to make these updates in a timely manner?
    Mr. Boulter. I would be happy to do that.
    Having flown a little bit in Alaska and having 
responsibility at one point in my career for all the 
navigational aids in Alaska, it is a challenging environment.
    The agency has completed about half of those 11. In the 
Aviation Safety Organization, we are really working on two, 
which is authorization for some of those weather observing 
systems so that commercial and other operators can use those 
weather reporting systems in their commercial operations and 
synchronizing really some of the things we allow in the lower 
48 on GPS routes and other GPS-type procedures in Alaska.
    So, the Aviation Safety Organization is working on those 
two diligently. Our Air Traffic Organization is really about 
the weather equipment. We can certainly get an update for you 
from them.
    Mrs. Peltola. And I would love to extend an invitation for 
your office to come to my office and briefing myself and my 
staff in more detail.
    Mr. Boulter. Absolutely.
    Mrs. Peltola. Thank you.
    I yield back my time, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Mr. Kean, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    First of all, I want to thank all of our witnesses for 
being here today.
    As we draft a new authorization, there are several major 
areas that this committee must look towards: technical 
advantages in aviation since the last reauthorization; 
passenger, pilot, and worker safety; workforce training 
programs; general aviation; manufacturing; drone policy; and 
information sharing to increase efficiency. It is important 
that this committee do that with your insights and advice on a 
long-term basis, and it needs to be bipartisan like the 
previous ones were.
    If we are looking at the FAA, Mr. Boulter, how can you lay 
out and would you lay out a regulatory framework to enable AAM? 
What do you view this industry looking like and how soon? And 
how is the FAA going to help facilitate that?
    Mr. Boulter. So, we look at operations. We look at the 
leading applicants being certified, the devices or the aircraft 
being certified at the end of 2024. That is the current 
schedule. That schedule is made by the applicant.
    We believe that--we have committed to the fourth quarter of 
2024 having the operational rules in place and the operational 
infrastructure. So, operational infrastructure is not just a 
set of rules. It is training to our inspectors. It is the 
ability to add those on to commercial certificates, that 
environment.
    And then what we have learned from the industry, and we 
have had a fair amount of listening sessions with them, and we 
have been working with each of the applicants that are kind of 
in the lead here. What their expectation to do is, we expect 
VFR operations in 2025, in some major cities around America and 
a limited basis, in scale, moving along in scale as that grows.
    We are working with our air traffic colleagues so they can 
understand what that looks like, at least at first, and then 
what kind of systems are we going to need long term.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. When would you know of slippage of 
that timeline?
    Mr. Boulter. We will know--we have a series of goalposts, 
if you will.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. I understand that. I am asking you 
when will you understand the slippage in that timeline?
    Mr. Boulter. I do know that we have met our first three 
goals, and it is on time currently.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. OK. Thank you.
    If I may, also, Dr. Buckley, what visions do you see that 
could help the FAA do its job and that we as Congress should 
know exists when we are looking at the regulatory framework?
    Ms. Buckley. What we really look for is what does it need 
to us to transition to this modernized environment so that we 
can operate a safe NAS. And what I would encourage Congress and 
the FAA to consider is what is that risk and dependency 
tradeoff as we move forward to adopt some of these new 
technologies.
    It is not easy. There are a lot of demands placed on 
sustainability, things we have to get right now but then 
transition where we need to be. And I think it is that 
thoughtful tradeoff at the enterprise level that I would 
encourage all of us to look at as we continue to think about 
the future.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you.
    And Mr. Boulter, how will the safety management systems 
requirement for part 135, operators and tour operators, improve 
safety for the passengers?
    Mr. Boulter. The safety management systems are a systematic 
approach, and it moves us in the oversight world to a looking 
at risk versus looking at strictly compliance. We want 
compliance and we want operators to holistically look at risk 
across their organization, identify that risk, and put 
mitigations in place for that risk.
    So, it will change the way--we have seen our relationship 
with the major carriers change, and it is a risk-based system. 
We keep asking them, what are you doing to identify risk? What 
are you doing to control risk? And it is really a change in the 
way we think.
    Now, the challenge for us, of course, in this is scaling it 
from the single pilot, single airplane person to large 
operations, and we are beginning to work through that as the 
rulemaking moves forward.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you.
    And thank you, the other members of the panel.
    I yield back my time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Mr. Moulton, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Moulton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And thank you to all our witnesses for sitting here so 
long. I know these are long hearings, but we appreciate you and 
all that you do.
    Piston-powered aircraft produce 70 percent of the total 
lead emitted into the air nationwide. There is no safe level 
for lead in our children's blood. The research on lead in 
aviation fuel is very clear. It is harmful to the health both 
of children and adults.
    We also know lead can have significant impacts on academic 
performance for children, as measured by end of grade test 
scores. And I am consistently hearing concerns from my 
constituents about leaded fuel.
    I understand that unleaded fuel for small piston engines is 
not yet cleared for use. The safety of the flying public is a 
top priority for the FAA, and we cannot risk prop planes having 
sudden engine failure because they are using a fuel that was 
not rigorously researched and tested.
    That is why the FAA's EAGLE initiative, that is Eliminate 
Aviation Gasoline Lead Emissions initiative, is critical. After 
a massive undertaking from the aviation industry last 
September, a new unleaded gas was finally approved for certain 
small planes.
    In 1973, before I was born, the U.S. began to phase out 
leaded gasoline in cars until it was fully banned in 1996. It 
is well past time we put safety first and stop endangering the 
health of our constituents with leaded fuel.
    So, Mr. Boulter, what is a reasonable timeline to fully 
eliminate leaded aviation fuel?
    Mr. Boulter. The goal of the EAGLE project is by 2030. As 
you said, we have already approved in a limited amount of 
airplanes a particular compound that does replace it only in 
those airplanes we have approved it in. We will continue to 
look at folks that come early to market.
    Without a drop-in replacement, though, then the whole 
infrastructure around fuel, whether it be--is very difficult if 
you have certain blends in certain places and doesn't meet all 
the airplanes' needs. So, while we have approved that, we 
continue to approve that fuel for others as it is safe in those 
particular aircraft engine combinations.
    We will continue to do that, and we will continue to work 
with EAGLE initiative with industry to not only find a 
replacement for 100 Low Lead but the infrastructure required to 
be able to deliver it to the airports.
    Mr. Moulton. And do you think the 2030 is a goal you are 
going to meet, or are you going to miss that?
    Mr. Boulter. Obviously, sir, if this was easy, we would 
have done it by now, but when you have engines from 1920 to 
2023, it is a difficult problem. But I'm convinced that with 
industry, if we put our heads together and we really get the 
right experts in the room, I believe we will make 2030.
    Mr. Moulton. If we were to devote more resources to this, 
could we speed up the timeline, or you don't think that is 
realistic?
    Mr. Boulter. I would have to look into that, sir.
    Mr. Moulton. OK.
    Until the cost of unleaded fuel is cheaper than existing, 
it will be a hard sell to pilots and airlines. And is there a 
plan to actually bring down the cost of unleaded fuels to be 
more comparable to leaded fuels to help with this transition?
    Mr. Boulter. Pete, I don't know if you have anything on the 
economics of that, but I certainly don't.
    Mr. Moulton. Mr. Bunce?
    Mr. Bunce. Sir, one fuel has a supplemental type 
certificate. There are actually three other fuels in the 
testing process. So, up at the FAA Tech Center, we are testing 
two in what is called the piston aviation fuel initiative. So, 
they are going through that pathway.
    So, certainly Congress has funded that program, and we hope 
that that continues until they get through that testing 
process.
    Once we have more fuel out there, obviously, it is supply 
and demand. So, if we have got multiple refiners that are 
producing the fuel in different places in the country, the 
price will go down, but one of the big factors in the cost of 
the fuel is the transportation of it. If you have got to truck 
it a long distance, that adds costs. So, that is why it has got 
to be refined in different sections of the country.
    There is really, on the west coast, if you look at what is 
happening to get fuel up in Alaska, it comes from, actually, 
down in the lower 48 where we have got to ship it up there. So, 
transportation adds a lot of cost to it.
    Mr. Moulton. So, I understand this is challenging, but 
America put a man on the moon faster than this initiative is 
going to get done by 2030, from when President Kennedy said 
that is where we are going.
    So, I hope we can all work together to recognize and 
realize this goal for the safety not just of the flying public 
but for everybody else in America.
    So, thank you all very much.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Ms. Chavez-DeRemer, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. Thank you for being here toward the 
end of the day.
    I just have one question for Mr. Bolen in regards to the 
view of the National Business Aviation Association. What is the 
NBAA's view of FAA's safety management system in regard to the 
proposed rulemaking?
    Mr. Bolen. Well, thank you very much.
    As I indicated earlier, SMS is a powerful tool, and I think 
we all recognize the benefits that it has, and we want it to be 
something that works at scale for everyone. I think what we see 
with the new SMS rule, and it just came out recently, they have 
extended the comment period for 90 days, and we are going 
through it very carefully to make sure it actually is a tool 
that can be useful and not an impediment.
    So, we are right now looking at the SMS tools that we have 
used, including IS-BAO, something that was developed by the 
business aviation community, looking at the scalability, and we 
look to provide robust comments to that.
    We are in an education phase, and we know that it is 
imperative that we get an SMS tool but that it is done at the 
right scale. And so, that is really what we are focusing on.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. I appreciate that.
    As I was reading through the testimony, Mr. Ambrosi, I 
think, referenced it, and to scale is difficult sometimes with 
the collaboration of 121 airlines; and when you are trying to 
factor in labor, organization, regulation, manufacturing, I can 
see that it takes time, and so, I appreciate that comment on 
the rulemaking.
    And I just wanted to ask that question and how you all were 
feeling in referencing those rules. So, thank you for that 
answer. I don't know if you have any additional details on 
that; but if not, I thank you for answering.
    And with, I yield back.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Mr. Ezell, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Ezell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for the 
opportunity to talk about the important work done by this 
committee to reauthorize the FAA. These programs and priorities 
are critical to continue America's leadership of safety and 
innovation in the aviation industry, especially as China and 
our adversaries work to expand their presence.
    Mr. Boulter, the United States airspace industry is a key 
driver of economic growth. How does the FAA utilize the 
commercial sector to advance capabilities that have the 
potential to make aviation safer and more efficient?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, we couldn't do this without a lot of the 
people that sit at this table. Our Commercial Aviation Safety 
Team where we have labor, we have everyone at the table, and we 
have open and frank dialogue; we look at data; MITRE is our 
trusted third-party in that. It is critical to our future that 
we do a couple things. One is that we continue to look for data 
sources throughout, and we work together, and we also build 
tools that can get more predictive.
    Our goal in the agency is not just finding what the issue 
was after the accident but could we find these issues in a 
predictive way. And I believe we are starting to shift to that 
in our CAST team. I know that team working together is going to 
do great things about moving to a more predictive environment.
    Mr. Ezell. Thank you.
    Things are always evolving. As technology continues 
developing and American companies innovate, the methods and 
materials used to manufacture civil aviation products can 
change. Can you speak about the importance of ensuring the 
regulatory environment keeps pace with the advancements in 
technologies? And how does this make aviation safer?
    Mr. Boulter. Whether it be advanced materials or advanced 
technology, avionics technology, as you know, has made huge 
leaps. It is always a challenge for us to keep refreshing our 
workforce, but that is why I look confidently towards the new 
hires that we have hired, because they have different skill 
sets. While they may need experience in our aircraft 
certification business, they come with a great set of skills 
that we can move forward.
    But I also think some partnerships with industry to learn 
more about these advanced materials so that we can--and use 
some aviation rulemaking committees to look at how do we 
certify some of these advanced technologies.
    Mr. Ezell. Thank you.
    Mr. Bunce, can you expand on that a little bit? And what do 
you think we need to prioritize to ensure that FAA can certify 
products in a timely manner?
    Mr. Bunce. Training. Sir, it is all about training and 
exactly what Mr. Boulter said. And I know there is a 
willingness to be able to work with us, but we have got to 
think in a way that looking at the new technologies, whether we 
are talking composites, whether we are talking fly by wire, 
whether we are talking about electric propulsion, that it is a 
team effort.
    And we have people that float back and forth between 
industry and the FAA, and that is very positive, and that is 
very healthy, but if we are able to train together, then we all 
have the latest and greatest.
    The other thing that also as we have new technology moving 
forward is the standards become very important. If we just 
stick with rulemaking, as we all know, it just locks us in, and 
we can't keep refreshed with the latest in technology.
    And I know Mr. Boulter is very committed to being able to 
use standards more and more where we get all the experts from 
the planet together, and we do it on a periodic basis to 
refresh.
    Mr. Ezell. Thank you very much.
    I would just like to say how much I appreciate all of you 
being here today. And being the last guy here, hopefully we 
will wind up here pretty quick.
    So, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Mr. Williams, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Williams of New York. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Again, I also would iterate that I admire your endurance 
and patience.
    So, I come out of the nuclear Navy, and if there is any 
community that is more obsessed with safety, track record, 
procedures, followup, analysis, some of the most feared words I 
have ever heard is ``I am from naval reactors, and I am here to 
help.''
    So, I appreciate that you are focused on safety. I think I 
can relate to that culture from Admiral Rickover.
    Mr. Boulter, I am concerned about this unusually close call 
on January 13th at JFK International Airport in my State, in 
New York. Two aircraft came within seconds of colliding on the 
surface of the airfield as they were transiting and moving. One 
aircraft missed the correct taxiway and began crossing an 
active runway just as another aircraft loaded with passengers 
and crew is on its takeoff roll.
    We are fortunate that multiple layers of safety systems, 
back to the culture of safety, alerted, and one of our 
fantastic air traffic controllers made an emergency call to the 
aircraft to abort a high-speed takeoff.
    The fact that we are talking about a close call and not a 
disaster demonstrates the success that you have had and 
validates the systems that you have had. I am proud that a 
company in my district has a long history of providing that 
kind of surface safety for the FAA, and they make surveillance 
systems that contributed to the controller's awareness, 
situational awareness and able to predict and interdict before 
an accident occurred.
    But my question, just very straightforward, are you 
confident, sir, that the FAA has the funding and the means to 
maintain the same level of safety that saved the lives at JFK 
where the margin of safety was just a few seconds?
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, certainly the President's budget supports 
an Aviation Safety Organization. I can't speak to all the air 
traffic pieces to that. That system you talk about is an air 
traffic system.
    But multiple levels of safety are always what we are 
looking for as an organization and what we ask of air carriers 
and other operators in the system; but, yes, we certainly could 
get you some more information on the funding of those systems, 
but the Aviation Safety and Oversight Organization, we support 
what the President has asked for in the President's budget.
    Mr. Williams of New York. OK. It was the ASDE-X system.
    Please.
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you very much.
    We are leading that investigation and also the one in 
Austin, and it was the ASDE system. It was the Airport Surface 
Detection Equipment system that notified the air traffic 
controller that there was an impeding collision.
    That only exists at 35 airports across the United States. 
It does not exist in Austin. And so, we are going to take a 
look at that as part of our investigation, but certainly, that 
is something that we need to look at.
    Mr. Williams of New York. Well, my daughter lives in 
Austin, so, I have a vested interest.
    Ms. Homendy. That is right.
    Mr. Williams of New York. And that is safety.
    With the time I have remaining, I had the privilege of 
briefing the NASA ATM-X team for Next Generation air traffic 
management. They were looking at Next Generation technologies. 
In my case, my expertise in distributed computing or edge 
computing.
    The culture of safety is almost antithetical to innovation, 
and I know that from the nuclear Navy, and most of which is 
classified, but very, very difficult for that organization to 
adopt new technologies, but they have managed to do that and I 
think successfully over the last 30 years.
    Can you point me to any program or team specifically--not 
within NASA but within the FAA, Mr. Boulter--that really is 
tackling this conundrum between innovation and safety? Because 
we are not talking about a new technology. We are talking about 
an entirely new system of technologies, and I would just be 
eager to learn more.
    Mr. Boulter. Yes, our Next Generation air traffic system 
organization is looking at, what does the future look like? 
What does the data centric National Airspace System look like? 
We can certainly have them brief you on what they are doing, 
sir.
    Mr. Williams of New York. All right, thank you. We will 
follow up. Thank you.
    I yield back, sir.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Mr. Van Orden, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Van Orden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Boulter, thankfully, in your written testimony, amongst 
all of you, you have mentioned safety approximately 400 times, 
and it is critical because we need to make sure that safety 
remains paramount. But we heard the word security no more than 
15 times.
    And, Doctor, I want to thank you. You did the best job I 
believe out of any of the panelists or the witnesses during 
your verbal testimony bringing out how incredibly important 
this is.
    So, Mr. Boulter, on January 26th, your colleague, Acting 
Director Nolen, presented a debrief to a bipartisan group from 
this committee referencing his decision to shut down all air 
traffic in the country for a period of approximately 2 hours on 
January 11th. During his remarks, he mentioned that the FAA had 
a two-person integrity, or TPI, for anyone who could 
potentially manipulate the software code in the legacy NOTAMs 
database.
    I asked him a very straightforward question and that being: 
Was the TPI policy pre-existing in relationship to this 
incident and was ignored? Or was the policy implemented 
following the incident to prevent it from happening again?
    Now, unfortunately, he chose not to answer this question 
and said that you had an ongoing investigation and that you 
would follow the facts. I asked him the question again. He 
refused to answer.
    So, immediately following this, my staff worked with the 
committee to discover that, in fact, you did not have a two-
person integrity policy in place prior to this incident and 
that it was implemented following for mitigation purposes.
    Now, I laud your decision to do so, but I take exception 
that we had to find this out independently. So, by exhibiting a 
remarkable lack of forethought by not having a TPI policy in 
place prior to this instance, the FAA left our entire Nation's 
air industry in peril.
    So, I am thankful this was a case of poor management and 
delinquent policy standards, as opposed to a malicious actor 
targeting aircraft, our aircraft control system, because I 
don't know if our aircraft would be flying today if it were.
    So, I am going to ask you a question and a followup. Have 
you initiated a key nodal analysis of your NOTAM systems within 
systems, including the legacy database and the user and systems 
interfaces between these entities to identify any other single 
point of failure or vulnerability?
    Mr. Boulter. So, the Aviation Safety Organization has not, 
but my understanding is that the Air Traffic Organization is 
doing a deep dive on that system.
    Mr. Van Orden. OK. So, did you just tell me that the 
Federal--the FAA is not doing a nodal analysis for your NOTAM 
systems within systems?
    Mr. Boulter. No. The Air Traffic Organization would be 
doing that analysis, and I am sure, in their--they are 
currently in the middle of that investigation with our IT----
    Mr. Van Orden [interrupting]. So, who is directly 
responsible for the NOTAM system itself? Is it the air traffic 
controllers or----
    Mr. Boulter [interrupting]. The Air Traffic Organization 
owns the system, and, obviously, our IT organization is 
involved as well.
    Mr. Van Orden. So, you understand that they are doing this, 
but you don't know this for certain?
    Mr. Boulter. I do not.
    Mr. Van Orden. OK. Please do me a favor. Will you give them 
a call after you get out of this meeting? Because if there are 
more vulnerabilities and you have not taken the time to do a 
key nodal analysis for all of them, the potentiality of the 
destruction of our system for maintaining aircraft in this 
country is a real thing, especially if there is a malicious 
actor.
    So, I would think of all the things we talked about today, 
that this should be like number one on your list to take care 
of this. So, I would like you to report back at some point, in 
either written form or a phone call to me, I don't care, that 
this is being initiated, to what level it is going to be 
initiated, and when the anticipated completion of this 
investigation is, because this affects every single human being 
on the planet that flies an aircraft.
    Mr. Boulter. Sir, we will do that.
    Mr. Van Orden. Thank you. That's all I have.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    The chair has been notified that there is a series of votes 
occurring on the floor, the House floor. The committee will 
stand in recess subject to the call of the chair.
    [Recess.]
    Mr. Molinaro [presiding]. The Committee on Transportation 
and Infrastructure will reconvene the previously recessed 
hearing.
    I will yield myself 5 minutes and then we will get moving. 
Thank you.
    I joked on my way in. This is kind of like making it from 
the kid's table to the adult's table. So, we are grateful.
    I wanted to get started. So, I represent the 19th 
Congressional District in the State of New York, and we 
recognize, in particular, two-thirds of flight delays, and most 
of what concerns us exists because of issues in the Northeast 
where my district is located. Certainly, we recognize that the 
technology, of course, we use is terrifically, in many cases, 
outdated.
    I know that we have all touched on, and I don't want to 
rehash what has been discussed regarding NextGen and the system 
upgrades, but to Dr. Buckley, if you could, what other 
advancements in use of technology would be appropriate in 
particular to address what has been a chronic problem in the 
Northeast?
    Ms. Buckley. Thank you for the question.
    To your point, I think we have the technologies. I think we 
understand how to control the airspace. I think we understand 
what is needed from a controller perspective. It's moving 
toward the right way to implement those.
    I think it is training. A lot of it is around workforce 
when we look at those particular challenges, and it is making 
sure that we have the incentives to not only bring in the 
controllers and the training that we need in that area but also 
to make sure that we are, again, safety first and understanding 
the right way to maintain the presence that we need in that 
particular area and manage the very congested traffic that you 
are seeing in that airport.
    Mr. Molinaro. So, I spent the last 12 years of my life in 
local government where I was responsible actually for 
overseeing the busiest general aviation airport in New York, 
outside of the New York City metropolitan area, what is now the 
Hudson Valley Regional Airport.
    We focused a great deal on the pipeline to jobs, and I know 
that we have all discussed this. And, again, I am not used to 
rehashing for the sake of rehashing, but to Mr. Bolen, can you 
talk a little bit for us about what additional steps we could 
focus on to create that pipeline to the workforce?
    What we did in my home county was focus principally on air 
traffic--excuse me, on mainframe--I will get it--on mechanics 
and technicians directly from creating pipeline from K-12 to 
community college to actual hands-on work at our airport. There 
are too few of those opportunities.
    Perhaps, if you would, just talk a little bit about what 
steps we could be taking more broadly to address that pipeline
    Mr. Bolen. Well, thank you for the question, and it is an 
urgent issue for all of us.
    We have already talked a little bit about putting into 
action the recommendations from the Women in Aviation Advisory 
Board and from the FAA youth task force. Beyond that, I think 
we have all recognized that there are a number of untapped 
opportunities for us with underrepresented communities to bring 
them in.
    Some questions were brought up earlier about the 
Historically Black Colleges and Universities. I think there are 
a lot of programs as well where we are going at a local level 
to try to address it.
    In New York, for example, we are partnering with the 
RedTail Flight Academy to work with young people with the 
spirit of the Tuskegee Airmen to try to bring them into our 
community and provide scholarships to work them through that.
    Tomorrow I am going to be in Miami with Flying Classrooms, 
an effort that is being made specifically to bring technicians 
in and have them work at Opa-locka.
    I think a lot of what we want to do is targeting groups 
that may not be aware. So much of what we talk about is, do you 
have enough passion to be part of our industry? Have you wanted 
to be part of it forever? A lot of people don't know there are 
opportunities here. So, we have to get out and make them aware 
that this is a great industry and that there are pathways to go 
forward.
    And then as others have said, we need to find ways to 
provide those scholarships and pathways for them to be able to 
be part of this.
    Mr. Molinaro. Thank you for that.
    I would say in the 30 seconds I have left, just I do feel 
that we are not adequately tapping those regional airports and 
their connection to community schools, community colleges, et 
cetera, and I feel like that is a fertile ground to expand the 
access to the workforce in a safe and I think pretty productive 
way.
    I thank you for that.
    And for questions, I will yield to Mr. Burchett.
    Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that.
    I appreciate you all being here. As the unrepentant mama's 
boy, I feel I have to tell you all somebody said something 
earlier in the day at one of our pilots, male pilots of how 
little boys will see this and a lot of them will hopefully 
start flying.
    Well, a lot of little girls might see this, too. My mama 
flew an airplane during the Second World War. She was a pretty 
cool lady. I am very proud of her.
    Daddy was off fighting the Japanese, and mama lost her 
eldest brother Roy fighting the Nazis. And she did her part, 
17-year-old girl. Didn't have electricity until she was a 
senior in high school, and she flew an airplane. I thought that 
was pretty cool. So, I just wanted to enter that for the 
record. You all get that one for free, as we say.
    But Mr. Bunce--I said that name correctly? Is that right? 
Bunce? Maybe you do or you don't know, but Cirrus is a plane 
manufacturer, and they are in the Knoxville area. They are out 
there at the airport, and they have got an important presence 
in my district.
    It is important that U.S. companies are treated fairly in 
terms of validation of U.S. products. I think even more now we 
see the influx. I mean, you can think about the Chinese 
balloon, but, dadgumit, every time you turn a label over it 
says made in China, and it sickens me.
    What specifically can we do to improve this situation?
    Mr. Bunce. Well, sir, I actually fly a Cirrus, and I 
trained down in Knoxville and everything. It's a great and 
expanding capability down there.
    Mr. Burchett. I will let you come buy me lunch one day.
    Mr. Bunce. I would love to.
    Mr. Burchett. But you can't because it wouldn't be ethical, 
but we will go ahead. Go ahead.
    Mr. Bunce. We will make it a cheap lunch.
    Mr. Burchett. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Bunce. Sir, if we look at foreign validations and 
everything, as a result of what happened during the pandemic, 
and particularly in the MAX, we had a breakdown in the 
confidence between some of our other authorities on what we do 
with certification. And what that did is it ratcheted up the 
amount of looking at basically the work that was done by FAA by 
other authorities as we go and try to validate the products.
    With bilateral safety agreements, we are supposed to trust 
each other's safety competencies. So, what happens? Well, then 
we reciprocate, and the Canadians reciprocate, and it goes back 
and forth, and it makes it very tough for us to validate 
product.
    So, what we would propose is that you, the Congress, ask 
for a report from the FAA, first of all, on what metrics they 
are using. First of all, if you can't measure it, you don't 
know if you are making progress. So, you can get a report to 
say how--are we making progress with validations? Are we 
working with our foreign authorities?
    But equally, or more importantly, is we have got to fully 
man with full-time employees the international certification 
office. Right now we get told by the FAA, well, we are fully 
manned, but they are temporary jobs. And everything is about 
relationships. We all know that. That is the way we operate and 
get things done up here.
    When you go and you have confidence with your counterparts 
in EASA, or ANAC in Brazil, or Transport Canada, and we know 
how each other's systems works, then we can use the bilateral 
to its max effect, and that is how we will make progress.
    Mr. Burchett. Are we making any progress?
    Mr. Bunce. Very slowly.
    Mr. Burchett. Very slowly.
    Is there something that we could be doing right now? Are 
there laws or rules we need to be passing to ensure that?
    Mr. Bunce. I think during the reauthorization, if you look 
for being able to get reports from the FAA using the metrics 
and timelines, how long it takes to get through the process in 
both directions, then that would be helpful.
    Mr. Burchett. I am always worried when I see a bill up 
here. I have been doing this political thing most of my life, 
and there are a lot of studies, and when I was mayor of Knox 
County, they wanted to do a study, and I would pay $5 million 
for some study and it ended up on a shelf somewhere.
    Do we have any assurance that that study will incur some 
positive results?
    Mr. Bunce. Well, I know that Mr. Boulter will attest, when 
you ask for something here in the Congress, the FAA needs to 
respond to it. And if it is a recurring request, then you can 
check the progress. And I know your staffs do a great job of 
being able to go and look at us. They will confirm with 
industry that it is correct.
    Mr. Burchett. My staff is probably watching this right now, 
and they will probably hit me up for a raise after you say 
that.
    Mr. Bunce. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, all right. I appreciate it. And I 
appreciate all of you all.
    And I just wanted to throw that plug in there for some of 
our female aviators. That is pretty cool. There is a cool 
picture or a statue of Amelia Earhart upstairs, and it is 
really cool.
    I have got a picture on my phone of my mama in it, and it 
reminds me of that picture very much. Although, my mama didn't 
get lost flying across the Pacific. She did her part for the 
effort here and saved our country.
    So, thank you all so much for being here.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sorry I went over.
    Mr. Owens [presiding]. Thank you so much.
    Mr. Collins, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Collins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Acting Associate Administrator Boulter, the failure of the 
NOTAM system on January 11th was pretty much a wakeup call. And 
while we still don't have all the answers about what happened, 
preliminary reports about a single employee at the FAA causing 
a massive disruption and central disaster, it is very alarming.
    Now, I am a small businessman. When I identify a problem, I 
want to know what the problem is, I want to know what the 
solution is, and I want to know how to not have it happen 
again.
    With that being said, I want to figure out how to 
understand because I am new here. And I guess my first question 
is NOTAM is Notice to Air Missions. Correct? Is that what it 
has always been called?
    Mr. Boulter. It used to be Notice to Airmen. It has been 
changed to Notice to Air Missions.
    Mr. Collins. Was it changed for safety reasons?
    Mr. Boulter. I don't know why it was changed.
    Mr. Collins. Sir?
    Mr. Boulter. I was not involved in the name change, so, I 
don't know why it was changed.
    Mr. Collins. Do you know how much it cost to change it? Or 
better yet, can you tell me how much time the staff spent 
writing and implementing this 176-page rule instead of, say, 
working on IT or protocol improvements, improved safety in the 
National Airspace System?
    Mr. Boulter. That wasn't under my purview. I don't have any 
idea how much time or effort we spent on that.
    Mr. Collins. OK. Well, let's switch gears for a little bit 
then.
    Has the FAA studied or reviewed if there are any outdated 
regulations or standards on the books creating challenges for 
aviation workforce recruitment or aircraft innovation but that 
are not necessarily improving safety?
    Mr. Boulter. As far as--none that I am aware of recently, 
but any time we do rulemaking, we look at existing--when we 
open a section, we look for: Are all of these still relevant? 
Are they still mitigating the risks that they thought they 
would?
    So, for instance, we are opening up a big section for 
powered lift. There will be other things in there we look at to 
make sure they are still relevant.
    Mr. Collins. All right, thank you.
    It just seems to me that with the recent problems that we 
have seen, and there have been many, things like changing a 
name that you really don't even know if it was for safety or 
whether it was for gender purposes reasons or whatever, your 
time and money would have been a whole lot better spent on 
updating that 30-year-old IT system or improving actual safety 
protocols because, obviously, this wasn't even changed for 
safety.
    Mr. Chairman, that is all I have got. Thank you. And I 
yield back my time.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you.
    Are there any further questions from any of the Members of 
the chamber that have not been recognized?
    Before we gavel out, I just want to thank you not only for 
your service, for your collaboration. I understand that is the 
most powerful thing we can do is, first of all, find out where 
we are going and collaborate and work on that process.
    And I look forward to working with you to make sure that we 
have accountability, which, obviously, that is how we get 
progress. So, thanks for everything you are doing.
    Seeing none, I conclude our hearing for the day. I would 
like to thank each of the witnesses again for your testimony.
    And I ask for unanimous consent that the record of today's 
hearing remain open until such time as the witnesses have 
provided answers to any questions that may have been submitted 
to them in writing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    Also, I ask unanimous consent that the record remain open 
for 15 days for additional comments and information submitted 
by the Members or witnesses to be included in the record of 
today's hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    The committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 2:24 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]

                       Submissions for the Record

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   Statement of Robert Rose, Co-founder and Chief Executive Officer, 
  Reliable Robotics Corporation, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Sam 
                                 Graves
    Chairman Sam Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the 
House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee:
    Thank you for holding this hearing to discuss enhancing the safety 
of our aviation system. The United States has the world's largest and 
safest aviation system, and through the upcoming FAA reauthorization, 
Reliable Robotics is committed to working with this Committee to expand 
our Nation's leadership role.
    Based in Mountain View, CA, Reliable Robotics was founded in 2017 
to develop and bring to market aviation safety-enhancing technologies, 
including auto-land, auto-taxi, and auto-takeoff, as well as high-
precision navigation and remote piloting capabilities. These 
technologies can prevent many common causes of fatal aviation accidents 
and save lives today. Our company has more than 110 employees who have 
diverse backgrounds in commercial spaceflight, aerospace engineering 
and technology and air carrier operations.
    Through a wholly owned cargo airline operating under Part 135 of 
the Federal Aviation Regulations, we are operating piloted cargo 
flights utilizing the Cessna 208 Caravan on behalf of a major carrier. 
The Caravan is a single-engine turboprop that can carry more than 3,000 
pounds of cargo and connects small towns and communities across the 
United States. More than 2,900 Caravans have been delivered to 
customers worldwide.
    The safety-enhancing technologies that Reliable Robotics is working 
with the FAA to certify include an advanced autopilot, actuators, 
fault-tolerant flight computer, and high-precision navigation. These 
technologies will bring significant safety improvements to the Caravan 
fleet and are designed to be adapted to other aircraft types. The 
ability to conduct safe auto landings in all weather conditions without 
additional ground-based infrastructure will be a game changer for the 
Nation's more than 5,000 general aviation airports.
             Achieving Transformational Safety Improvements
    We are at an inflection point for aviation safety, with many 
safety-enhancing technologies, including auto-land, auto-taxi, and 
auto-takeoff, within reach for smaller aircraft. While some of these 
technologies are available on large commercial aircraft, they are 
prohibitively expensive and require costly infrastructure at airports. 
With additional leadership and focus from the FAA, we can rapidly make 
these technologies available to thousands of aircraft without the need 
for additional ground-based infrastructure.
    Aircraft such as the Cessna Caravan, are a lifeline to small towns 
and communities. They deliver time-critical shipments like medical 
supplies and can access thousands of general aviation airports, only a 
fraction of which are served by major carriers. However, these aircraft 
have yet to benefit from the level of investments and innovation in 
safety technology that we have seen in larger cargo and passenger 
aircraft.
                Safety Technology Can Prevent Accidents
    To achieve transformational safety benefits and certify 
technologies that can prevent aviation accidents, Congress must use 
this FAA reauthorization to provide the agency with additional 
leadership and resources. While we applaud the dedicated FAA workforce 
and its commitment to aviation safety, the agency is not keeping pace 
with innovations in aviation safety.
    While major U.S. commercial air carriers have a strong safety 
record, we must do more to make aviation safer. Recent studies have 
concluded that general aviation operations are between 8 and 15 times 
more dangerous than driving, but that 68% of fatal accidents could 
potentially have been prevented with safety-enhancing technology.\1\
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    \1\ Hook (U. of Tulsa), Sizoo (FAA), Fuller. ``How Digital Safety 
Systems Could Revolutionize Aviation Safety.'' IEEE/AIAA Digital 
Avionics Systems Conference. 2022.
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    Today, with technologies such as auto-land, auto-take-off, and the 
availability of real-time radar surveillance data to pilots, we can 
prevent loss of control in flight (LOC-I), controlled flight into 
terrain (CFIT), fuel mismanagement, mid-air collisions, and many other 
causes of fatal aviation accidents. Also, since most nonfatal general 
aviation accidents occur during the take-off and landing phase and are 
caused by poor pilot decision-making and proficiency,\2\ these same 
technologies would bring significant safety gains.
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    \2\ Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA). (2020). ``32nd 
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                   Principles for FAA Reauthorization
    As Congress holds additional hearings and examines the upcoming FAA 
reauthorization in detail, we believe the following principles will 
provide the agency with the tools to certify safety-enhancing 
technologies and integrate them into the National Airspace System:
      Identify a leadership-level position at the FAA empowered 
with the resources, decision-making authority, and technical expertise 
to identify a lead reviewing organization in the agency for safety 
technology certification projects and coordinate concurrent reviews by 
other offices.
      +  This leader should assess regulatory, legal, and operational 
considerations for safety technology certification projects and engage 
relevant FAA stakeholders upfront.
      Leverage commercially available technology to create a 
secure FAA portal to track the real-time status of certification-
related activities.
      +  This portal would provide visibility to both applicants and 
the FAA on the status of a specific application or document under 
review, which offices are scheduled to review the submission, and 
timelines for completion of the process.
      Engage in robust workforce planning to account for the 
anticipated volume of new certification projects and identify the 
engineers and subject matter experts needed to manage the workflow 
efficiently.
      +  The FAA must also evaluate the workforce needs and required 
skills for aviation safety inspectors and other professionals necessary 
to oversee the integration and operation of safety technologies and new 
entrants.
                        United States Leadership
    Utilizing the FAA reauthorization to enact legislation that adheres 
to these principles will enhance our Nation's leadership role in 
aviation safety. These policies will also generate new high-technology 
jobs in the United States. The advanced air mobility industry, which 
includes enabling safety technologies, has the potential to create more 
than 280,000 new jobs.
    The time to act is now, as our competitors, including China and 
Europe, are dedicating significant financial and regulatory resources 
to aviation safety technologies, and the United States cannot afford to 
be left behind.
    We look forward to discussing the above principles in more detail 
through hearings and other engagements with you and your staff. Thank 
you for focusing on safety technologies as part of the FAA 
reauthorization and your commitment to the United States aviation 
industry.

                                 
Letter of February 6, 2023, to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and Hon. Rick 
Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, 
 from Sean M. O'Brien, General President, International Brotherhood of 
        Teamsters, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Rick Larsen
                                                  February 6, 2023.
The Honorable Sam Graves,
Chairman,
House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
        Representatives, Washington, DC 20515.
The Honorable Rick Larsen,
Ranking Member,
House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
        Representatives, Washington, DC 20515.
    Dear Chairman Graves and Ranking Member Larsen,
    On behalf of 1.2 million members of the International Brotherhood 
of Teamsters, I write in response to today's Transportation and 
Infrastructure Committee Hearing entitled ``FAA Reauthorization: 
Enhancing America's Gold Standard in Aviation Safety''.
    The Teamsters Union is proud to represent members in every corner 
of our nation's transportation network, moving goods and passengers in 
each state and in international commerce. This includes tens of 
thousands of aviation employees, and hundreds of thousands who 
interface with, and rely on, a safe and effective aviation sector. In 
fact, the Teamsters represent the greatest diversity of aviation 
employees of any labor organization, including pilots, mechanics, 
passenger service agents, flight attendants, fuelers, flight 
dispatchers and more.
    On behalf of these members, we are enthusiastic that the 
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee is beginning the critical 
process of reauthorizing the Federal Aviation Administration through 
today's hearing. This reauthorization comes at an incredibly timely 
moment. The largely successful return of the industry from the depths 
of the COVID-19 pandemic, changing economic conditions, new entrants 
and technologies into commercial aviation, and evolving safety and 
service issues present ample opportunities for the committee to draft 
impactful legislation.
    As the Committee hears from today's witnesses and begins to 
construct the reauthorization bill, the Teamsters call on the Committee 
to develop a bill that:
      Promotes aviation safety and high-quality training and 
certification regimes.
      Addresses critical safety loopholes and gaps in existing 
regulation and statute.
      Safeguards and creates good American jobs and ensures 
that future industry growth benefits the domestic workforce.
      Protects airline employees from occupational hazards, 
including those presented by unruly passengers.

    On these and other items, the International Brotherhood of 
Teamsters looks forward to working with your offices as well as those 
of Committee members, on a bipartisan basis, to craft an FAA 
Reauthorization bill that can be beneficial for the nation's aviation 
employees, consumers, and aviation safety.
        Signed,
                                           Sean M. O'Brien,
         General President, International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

                                Appendix

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  Questions from Hon. Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford to David H. Boulter, 
 Acting Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety, Federal Aviation 
                             Administration

    Question 1. Has the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security 
Agency (CISA) or any other Federal agency provided recommendations to 
the FAA regarding vulnerabilities or potential vulnerabilities of FAA 
systems and hardware and has the FAA addressed those concerns? If not, 
do you have a roadmap to do so?
    Answer. The FAA is regularly audited and assessed by multiple 
federal entities, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) 
CISA, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), and the DOT Office of 
Inspector General (OIG). These audits and assessments augment the 
scanning of systems performed by the FAA and assist in identifying any 
findings and recommendations related to vulnerabilities in FAA systems. 
An example of where this occurs is the DHS Binding Operational 
Directive (BOD) 19-02 cyber hygiene scans. The FAA receives 
notifications from CISA should a critical or high vulnerability be 
detected on an FAA internet-accessible system and then complies within 
the remediation timelines. A second example is the CISA Risk 
Vulnerability Assessment (RVA) process for identified high value assets 
pursuant to BOD 18-02 that requires the FAA to address or develop plans 
to address all CISA findings from completed RVA engagements. As of 
today, the FAA is in full compliance with these two BODs to ensure 
vulnerabilities are remediated or plans are in place to address the 
vulnerability in accordance with timelines.

    Question 2. How does the FAA work with CISA and other government 
agencies to monitor for and identify vulnerabilities of the systems and 
hardware of FAA's regulated entities?
    Answer. One goal of the FAA's Cybersecurity Strategy is continual 
efforts to build and maintain relationships with, and provide guidance 
to, external partners in government and industry to sustain and improve 
cybersecurity in the Aviation Ecosystem.
    Building trust between DHS CISA, Transportation Security 
Administration (TSA), and FAA with respect to aviation cybersecurity 
stakeholders and FAA's regulated entities is critical to the success of 
building an aviation cybersecurity framework that enhances defense, 
response, and recovery from a cyber incident and improves resilience.
    The FAA is solely responsible for the safety of the civil fleet. 
FAA's regulatory authority for civil airplanes manages cyber risks 
through the application of design-specific ``special conditions.'' 
These special conditions carry the weight of regulatory requirements 
and mandate that critical airplane systems be protected from 
intentional unauthorized electronic interaction (IUEI). FAA partners 
with the TSA as their cybersecurity role is focused on airports, ground 
systems, airline support systems, and the physical security of 
aircrafts.
    The FAA is a tri-chair member of the Aviation Cyber Initiative 
(ACI). Chartered in May 2019 by the Secretaries of Transportation, 
Homeland Security, and Defense, the ACI is a forum for coordination and 
collaboration among federal agencies on a wide range of activities 
aimed at cyber risk reduction within the aviation ecosystem. Recently, 
the ACI has also begun partnering with CISA's Joint Cyber Defense 
Collaborative (JCDC).
    Additionally, DHS and DOT collaborate on aviation cybersecurity in 
a number of other ways as Co-Sector Risk Management Agencies (co-SRMAs) 
for the Transportation Systems Sector. The TSA, FAA, and CISA co-chair 
the Aviation Government Coordinating Council (AGCC), a group chartered 
by DHS to plan, implement, and execute the Nation's critical 
infrastructure security and resiliency mission. The AGCC also 
coordinates with the Aviation Sector Coordinating Council (ASCC), which 
is chaired by industry. Both of these groups were formed under the 
auspices of the DHS Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory 
Council (CIPAC).

    Question 3. Are FAA's regulated entities required to self-report 
cyber-attacks? If so, what does the FAA do after receiving such a 
report?
    Answer. The FAA requires manufacturers and operators to report any 
safety-related information and incidents. The FAA has established 
processes in place to respond to all reported safety issues.

    Question 4. Who is responsible for developing and overseeing the 
implementation of the FAA's internal cyber policies and initiatives?
    Answer. The FAA Office of Information and Technology Services 
(AIT), led by the Chief Information Officer (CIO), oversees and 
delegates the responsibility to the Director, Information Security and 
Privacy Service, led by the FAA Chief Information Security Officer 
(CISO), to lead the development of FAA's information security program 
as outlined in FAA Order 1370.121B.

    Questions from Hon. Colin Z. Allred to David H. Boulter, Acting 
     Associate Administrator for Aviation Safety, Federal Aviation 
                             Administration

    Question 1.a. Can you speak to how the FAA is working to ensure air 
traffic controllers have sufficient resources, training, and additional 
manpower to make sure we don't even come close to incidents like the 
narrow miss in Austin on February 4, 2023?
    Answer. Each year the FAA transmits a comprehensive controller 
workforce plan to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and 
Transportation and the House of Representatives Committee on 
Transportation and Infrastructure. The plan is the FAA's blueprint for 
ensuring that management of the national airspace takes into account 
the need to align controller resources with demand.

    Question 1.b. What role can Congress play in that through the FAA 
reauthorization process?
    Answer. The reauthorization process is an opportunity for Congress 
and the Administration to work together to address long-term agency 
modernization needs.

    Question 2.a. The FAA budget is the same at $3 billion dollars that 
it was in 2009, not even accounting for inflation. I understand that 
the FAA is seeking $29.4 million this year to modernize NOTAM.What 
resources would it take to actually fix the NOTAM system by 2025?
    Answer. The investment that is currently being implemented (Federal 
NOTAM System Sustainment) addresses two aspects of NOTAM modernization: 
the consolidation of the legacy NOTAM system (United States NOTAM 
System) functionality into the Federal NOTAM System and the transfer of 
the NOTAM system off of the outdated hardware platform onto an 
Integrated Enterprise Services Platform.
    The resources needed to implement the Federal NOTAM System 
modernization and enhancements on an accelerated timeline is underway. 
We will need to work internally and with Congress to determine how best 
to align resources with needs across the F&E Capital Improvement 
Program.

    Question 2.b. Is that a realistic goal given your current 
resources?
    Answer. The FAA will continue to work with the Administration and 
Congress to address NOTAM modernization resource needs.

    Question 3. As the transition to 5G continues, what steps is the 
FAA taking to ensure any related interferences, such as reports 
indicating heads up display anomalies, autopilot issues, and 
autothrottle shutoffs, do not lead to larger safety concerns?
    Answer. The FAA is working to ensure the safe coexistence of 
aviation and 5G C-band telecommunications systems in the United States. 
Safety remains the FAA's primary mission in this endeavor, and we are 
addressing safety concerns by establishing regulations to assure safety 
and monitoring operations to assure that those regulations are 
performing as intended.
    Since December of 2021, the FAA has issued several Airworthiness 
Directive (AD) regulations establishing aircraft performance 
requirements and operational limitations to address potential hazards 
associated with 5G C-band signals interfering with the proper 
functioning of aircraft radio altimeters. More recently, in January of 
2023, the FAA published a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) AD 
providing longer-term radio altimetry system performance requirements 
enabling ongoing operations of transport category airplanes for 
scheduled passenger and cargo operations. We expect to finalize this AD 
soon, and we are already tracking the work airlines across the globe 
are doing to achieve compliance with these requirements through 
upgrades to aircraft radio altimetry systems.

    Question 4.a. I understand the FAA has set a deadline of December 
2024 to complete the rulemaking related to the ``powered-lift'' special 
federal aviation regulation. Knowing that this rule will be 
instrumental in ensuring advanced air mobility companies can continue 
to drive innovation with clear guidance, can you speak further to the 
status of this SFAR?
    Answer. The FAA is working closely with the Department of 
Transportation and we expect to publish a notice of proposed rulemaking 
soon.

    Question 4.b. Does the FAA anticipate needing additional resources 
to complete it by the deadline you have set?
    Answer. The FAA will continue to dedicate the necessary resources 
toward promulgating the final rule.

    Question 5.a. As the sponsor of the Brian McDaniel Helicopter 
Safety Act, to honor my constituent who died in a helicopter accident 
in 2018, I was very glad to see the FAA's proposed rulemaking that will 
require all commercial air tour operators to have in place a safety 
management system (SMS). This proposed rule will make sure tragedies 
like Brian's death do not happen again, and I look forward to working 
with the FAA to implement this rule. Can you speak to the importance of 
this rule and how it will ensure fewer deaths?
    Answer. Safety Management System (SMS) is designed to reduce 
accidents and fatalities by guiding organizations to proactively 
identify potential hazards in the operating environment, analyze the 
risks of those hazards, and mitigate those risks to prevent an accident 
or incident. Historically, the approach to aviation safety was based on 
the reactive analysis of past accidents and the introduction of 
corrective actions to prevent the recurrence of those events. An SMS 
provides a structured, repeatable, systematic approach to proactively 
identify hazards and manage safety risk. Expanding SMS to commuter air 
carriers, air tour operators, and manufacturing organizations will 
provide these organizations with the ability to develop and implement 
mitigations that are appropriate to their environment and operational 
structure.

    Question 5.b. How does the FAA intend to incorporate stakeholder 
feedback into the rule?
    Answer. The FAA follows the notice-and-comment requirements of the 
Administrative Procedure Act, which provide an opportunity for 
stakeholders and the public in general to provide feedback on a 
proposed regulation. In the past, the FAA has received valuable 
comments that resulted in changes that improved the final rule's 
efficiency and effectiveness. The FAA will consider each comment 
received. The final rule document will include a disposition of the 
comments received, which will include the FAA's rationale for its 
response to those comments.

Question from Hon. Troy A. Carter to David H. Boulter, Acting Associate 
   Administrator for Aviation Safety, Federal Aviation Administration

    Question 1. I understand that the FAA is focused on safety and that 
the ASIAS program is a cornerstone of that. Similar to NOTAMS, we know 
it exists, but the value of such systems is understated, and we have 
little insight into how the FAA is prioritizing its funding.
    I would like to understand your commitment to the proper 
modernization of the ASIAS program. I see very little money being 
requested for ASIAS, and that raises concerns similar to NOTAMS that 
the FAA has not prioritized this vital safety system in it proper 
place.
    Does the FAA have sufficient funding to modernize the ASIAS program 
in a timely manner that keeps the FAA as the safety gold standard?
    Answer. FAA is committed to modernizing the ASIAS program, 
including expanding analytical support to the helicopter/rotorcraft 
community and improving its capability to process digital flight data. 
ASIAS modernization efforts are a key effort to advance more rapid and 
accurate predictive safety analysis, and we are working to accelerate 
this endeavor. The FAA appreciates the continued support of Congress.

  Question from Hon. Grace F. Napolitano to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, 
              Chair, National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. Chair Homendy, in most aviation occupations women make 
up less than 20% of the workforce--and for the last sixty years, the 
introduction of women into the industry has been largely stagnant. 
Having a robust female workforce is critical to the U.S. aviation 
industry's safety, sustainability, profitability, and ability to 
innovate. What needs to be done to attract, retain, and advance women 
in the aviation industry?
    Answer. I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, women are 
underrepresented across transportation in every mode and nearly every 
job category, especially in roles that tend to pay more, such as upper 
management and highly technical positions. As you know, aviation is no 
exception. According to the Women in Aviation Advisory Board:

        ``In most aviation occupations, women make up less than 20% of 
        the workforce. The largest gender gaps are in senior leadership 
        positions, professional pilots, and maintenance technicians. 
        Roughly 5% of airline pilots are women, and only 3.6% of 
        airline captains are women. By comparison, women represent 47% 
        of the total U.S. workforce and 26% of people working in STEM 
        fields globally.

        ``For the last sixty years, the introduction of women into the 
        aviation industry--in nearly every functional specialty--has 
        been stagnant. For example, although the total number of women 
        holding commercial pilot certificates has increased, the 
        representation of women as a percentage of the total has 
        changed only at a rate of about 1% a decade. For women in 
        aviation maintenance, the rate of change is even slower. In 
        sixty years, the percent of women in aviation maintenance has 
        reached only 2.6%--marking one of the greatest gender gaps in 
        the entire industry.''
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    Clearly, more needs to be done to attract, recruit, retain, and 
advance women in the aviation and aerospace industries. The Federal 
Aviation Administration Reauthorization Act of 2018 (Public Law 115-
254, Sec. 602) established a Women in Aviation Advisory Board that was 
charged with developing and providing independent recommendations and 
strategies to the FAA Administrator to explore opportunities for 
encouraging and supporting female students and aviators to pursue a 
career in aviation, with the objective of promoting organizations and 
programs that are providing education, training, mentorship, outreach, 
and recruitment of women for positions in the aviation industry.
    The FAA bill (Sec. 601) also required the FAA Administrator to 
submit to Congress a report that describes the Administration's 
existing outreach efforts to elementary and secondary students who are 
interested in careers in science, technology, engineering, art, and 
mathematics to prepare and inspire students for aviation and 
aeronautical carriers and mitigate an anticipated shortage of pilots 
and other aviation professionals.
    The Women in Aviation Advisory Board and the Youth Access to 
American Jobs in Aviation Task Force both submitted recommendations 
pursuant to the legislative mandates. The Board and Task Force 
recommendations go hand-in-hand as research shows that early exposure 
to aviation and ongoing engagement are essential to the recruitment of 
women into the industry.
    The Women in Aviation Advisory Board report, Breaking Barriers for 
Women in Aviation: Fight Plan for the Future, offers 55 
recommendations, including several recommendations to Congress that 
would transform aviation if implemented. These include a recommendation 
for Congress to increase the amount of available federal financial aid 
for careers in aviation. Extending the student debt repayment program 
beyond its current date of 2025 could also assist with financial 
barriers to entry.
    I am very familiar with financial barriers to entry. I have 
completed private pilot ground school and several private pilot 
lessons; however, the cost of each lesson was close to $200. Those 
aspiring to becoming a pilot should fly about 2-3 times a week, but 
many people, including me, cannot afford to spend $600 a week in flight 
lessons.
    I recommend that Congress review and consider including this and 
other recommendations in the report in the next FAA reauthorization 
bill. I also recommend reauthorizing both the Women in Aviation 
Advisory Board and the Youth Access to American Jobs in Aviation Task 
Force to enable them to continue joint efforts to implement their 
recommendations throughout the industry.
    Here is a link to the report: https://www.faa.gov/
regulations_policies/rulemaking/committees/documents/media/
WIAAB_Recommendations_Report_March_
2022.pdf

Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. to Hon. Jennifer L. 
          Homendy, Chair, National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. Chair Homendy, in your written testimony, you mention 
your goal is to ``right size [your] agency'' and highlighted various 
efforts to hire additional personnel in recent years.
    Question 1.a. As Congress considers the NTSB's reauthorization, can 
you specifically describe what resources the NTSB's needs to achieve 
this and the consequences of not investing in the NTSB's workforce now?
    Question 1.b. How will the NTSB ensure that its workforce reflects 
the diversity of the nation?
    Answer to 1.a. and 1.b. We have seen tremendous growth and 
technological advancements in transportation over the last two decades. 
We need the right people and the right training to keep pace. To 
accomplish this, we need an increase in our authorization levels, 
direct-hire authority, and flexible authorities to acquire training on 
emerging transportation technologies. Over the last 20 years, the NTSB 
has stayed virtually the same size--approximately 400 staff members. 
When I became Chair in August 2021, we had 399 staff members. This 
year, we have undertaken 62 hiring actions and aim to end the year with 
435 people on board. This is being accomplished with the $129.3 million 
provided by Congress for fiscal year (FY) 2023. We need at least $145 
million in FY 2024, with incremental increases to $185 million in FY 
2028, to reach full staffing of 515 by 2028. We need Congress's 
continued support for the NTSB's mission and resources.
    Currently, 20 percent of our workforce is eligible to retire. Over 
the next 5 years, the number of employees eligible to retire will grow 
to roughly 50 percent of the agency. If we don't invest now, we will 
have fewer people to conduct more and more complex investigations, 
delaying findings and recommendations. Lack of investment will 
undermine transportation safety now and in the future.
    Diverse perspectives help us view an issue from multiple angles; 
that, by definition, improves safety. Diverse perspectives allow us to 
eliminate blind spots. Therefore, we have taken several steps to ensure 
that diversity and equity are central to our hiring goals. First, I 
have designated a member of the NTSB's Office of Equal Employment 
Opportunity, Diversity, and Inclusion (EEODI) as our agency's chief 
diversity officer. Second, the EEODI office hired a diversity, equity, 
inclusion, and accessibility program manager to support outreach to 
women, underrepresented groups, and persons with targeted disabilities. 
Third, as part of our strategic human capital plan, we hired a chief 
human capital officer to lead strategic workforce development and 
implement policies and procedures to recruit, hire, develop, promote, 
and retain a workforce with greater diversity, equity, inclusion, and 
accessibility. Finally, the agency continues to participate in 
recruitment and other outreach activities at several historically black 
colleges and universities and partners with the Chickasaw Nation to 
host summer interns.
    Investing in and ensuring the diversity of the NTSB workforce, as 
planned in our reauthorization proposal, is essential to maintaining 
and improving safety in our transportation system. The resources 
requested in the NTSB's reauthorization proposal will support 
recruitment of talented and diverse investigators, engineers, 
attorneys, and support staff. Robust investment in recruiting is 
necessary to compete for the best and the brightest and to ensure that 
our workforce reflects the diversity of the nation.

   Question from Hon. Dina Titus to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, 
                  National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. In 2019, the GAO found that more than half of airline 
passenger service agents reported being assaulted over the previous 
year. In 2021, the FAA received reports of more than 6,000 verbal and 
physical assaults in our airspace. While the number came down in 2022, 
it is has not returned to pre-pandemic levels which were already 
trending upwards.
    What effect do these assaults have on the systemic safety of our 
airspace?
    Answer. Flight attendants play a crucial role in ensuring the 
safety of airline passengers. It is essential that passengers comply 
with instructions from flight attendants, such as raising seat backs to 
ensure safe escape paths, fastening seat belts, and donning emergency 
oxygen masks. Although we have not investigated any safety incidents 
resulting from recent assaults on flight attendants, we have numerous 
investigations showing the critical role flight attendants play in 
ensuring passenger safety during emergencies.

 Question from Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr. to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, 
              Chair, National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. Even though the recent reported runway incursions 
avoided a serious accident, it's evident that there may be some safety 
gaps. Do you feel that the NTSB has sufficient resources and 
authorities to investigate these near misses? Are you running into any 
trouble getting access to the information you need?
    Answer. The NTSB has the authority necessary to investigate 
incidents; however, we need resources and additional data to keep pace 
with tremendous growth and technological advancements in the National 
Airspace System. Our Office of Aviation Safety currently has 113 staff 
working on 1,194 domestic and 132 foreign investigations. In the last 
year, we have reduced our backlog from over 440 cases open for more 
than 2 years to less than 40. However, we can do more with more staff 
and better training. Our reauthorization proposal is seeking to grow 
our aviation office to 135 staff members this year, and to 160 by 2028. 
For the entire agency, we need at least $145 million in fiscal year 
(FY) 2024, with incremental increases to $185 million in FY 2028, to 
reach full staffing. To ensure we are prepared for the future, our 
proposal also includes provisions to acquire training on emerging 
technologies, streamline hiring, and diversify our workforce.
    Regarding data: cockpit voice records (CVRs) currently only retain 
2 hours of information. In some cases, an incident may not immediately 
be identified as meeting the reporting criteria, or a flight may be 
longer than 2 hours, and CVR data has been overwritten before we have 
an opportunity to secure the information. The resulting loss in data 
constrains an investigation. Within the last 20 years, the NTSB has 
investigated 39 incidents where this critical information was erased. 
We have recommended (Safety Recommendations A-18-30 and -31)--and the 
technology is available for--25-hour CVRs, ensuring critical data is 
available, safety issues can be identified, recommendations can be 
made, and we can prevent a tragedy.

 Questions from Hon. Greg Stanton to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, 
                  National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. As you are well aware, aircraft cockpit voice and data 
recorders (affectionately known as ``black boxes'') play a critical 
role in assisting the NTSB in their investigations to determine with 
greater accuracy the cause of an accident. The data and voice 
recordings also play a critical role by helping to inform NTSB safety 
recommendations to prevent accident reoccurrence and to maintain the 
safety of our national airspace. Today's cockpit voice and data 
recorders in the US are only required to record for 2 hours and then 
re-write over themselves. In 2018, the NTSB issued a safety 
recommendation for the FAA to implement for both a forward fit and 
retrofit for 25-hour recordings. In 2015, EASA, the European Civil 
Aviation Authority, issued a requirement for extended recording times; 
and in 2017 the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) issued 
a recommendation on Post Flight recovery of Data--to date, the FAA has 
not acted on the NTSB's safety recommendation. Could you discuss the 
importance of access to longer recording times from the NTSB's accident 
investigation perspective and how doing so would help enhance aviation 
safety in the United States?
    Answer. In September 2022, the FAA informed us that it had 
submitted a rulemaking project for fiscal year (FY) 2020 ``to determine 
the feasibility of requiring all newly manufactured airplanes, which 
must have a CVR, to be fitted with a CVR capable of recording the last 
25 hours of audio.'' However, this project was not accepted by the FAA 
Rulemaking Management Council due to competing priorities and 
resources. The FAA told us that it was reassessing the scope of this 
project and planned to resubmit it for FY 2023 approval. Since January 
1, 2022 (14 months ago), the European Union Aviation Safety Agency 
(EASA) has required that all newly manufactured aircraft have a CVR 
that records at least 25 hours of data. The EASA did not implement a 
requirement to retrofit in-service aircraft. Within the last 20 years, 
the NTSB has investigated 39 safety incidents where needed information 
was not available to investigators because the CVR had overwritten the 
data related to the incident (i.e., there were at least 2 hours' worth 
of data recorded since the incident).

    Question 2. The NTSB has made multiple recommendations regarding 
safety equipment the Federal Aviation Administration should require to 
be installed and operational in turbine-powered rotorcraft certificated 
for six or more passenger seats in the aftermath of accidents: (1) 
flight data recorders (FDR) and (2) flight data monitoring and safety 
management programs. Back in March 2009 the NTSB recommended in 
Aviation Accident Report A-09-02 that all existing turbine-powered 
should have a crash-resistant flight recorder system that captures 
audio, a view of the cockpit environment to include as much of the 
outside view as possible, and parametric data per aircraft and system 
installation. In the report, the NTSB noted the long-standing concerns 
about the lack of recorded information to guide investigations, help 
determine accident causes, and develop recommendations to prevent 
recurrences.
    On January 26, 2020, a Sikorsky S-76B helicopter collided with 
hilly terrain near the city of Calabasas, California. The pilot and 
eight passengers were fatally injured, and the helicopter was destroyed 
by impact forces and fire. The helicopter was not equipped with a 
flight data monitoring (FDM) recorder or cockpit voice recorder (CVR). 
The synopsis from the pending NTSB's report recommends that FAA require 
all Part 121 and 135 operators to install FDM program, retrofit 
turbine-powered aircraft with crash-resistant flight recorders to 
record cockpit audio and cockpit images.
    Despite these calls to action, The FAA has not adopted NTSB 
recommendations for turbine-powered, helicopters to have flight data 
monitoring programs or flight data recorders for cockpit audio and 
images.
    Could you please tell us why this safety recommendation is so 
important and how it would benefit helicopter safety and save lives 
should the FAA take action?
    Answer. Regarding the January 26, 2020, accident involving a 
Sikorsky S-76B helicopter that collided with hilly terrain near 
Calabasas, California: that helicopter was initially equipped with a 
CVR when it was delivered from Sikorsky to the initial operator. The 
CVR was subsequently removed by the operator, as permitted by FAA 
regulation, during interior modifications.
    Recorders are invaluable in identifying safety issues that might 
not be known without the recorded data. Two NTSB investigations 
illustrate how important recorded data was in identifying important 
safety information that would not have been found without the 
recorders.
    We participated in the 2005 investigation of a Sikorsky S-76C+ 
helicopter, which experienced an upset and crashed into the Baltic Sea, 
killing all 12 passengers and 2 pilots. The helicopter was registered 
in Finland, which, unlike the US, requires recorders. This accident was 
the first time that the NTSB participated in a helicopter accident 
investigation in which a flight data recorder (FDR) was on board. 
Without the FDR data, investigators would not have been able to 
identify the cause of the crash--failure of rotor actuators.
    In our investigation of a Eurocopter AS 350 B3 helicopter that 
impacted terrain while maneuvering during a search-and-rescue flight 
near Talkeetna, Alaska, on March 30, 2013, we were able to identify an 
important safety issue because the operator (the Alaska State Police) 
voluntarily equipped the helicopter with an image recorder. The pilot 
became spatially disoriented as weather conditions deteriorated, then 
lost control and crashed. The loss of control occurred because the 
pilot exceeded the limits of the attitude indicator, which is necessary 
for safe escape from reduced-visibility conditions. Without the image 
recorder, this unsafe action and gap in pilot training would never have 
been identified. Subsequently, we would not have issued three 
recommendations to the FAA on training to prevent reoccurrence of this 
crash.

 Questions from Hon. Patrick Ryan to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, 
                  National Transportation Safety Board

    Question 1. In the 1990's the NTSB recommended a ``One Level of 
Safety'' policy, which the FAA adopted in 1996. Under the 1996 ``One 
Level of Safety'' rule, the FAA required every passenger airline with 
ten or more seats with scheduled commercial service to follow the same 
minimum federal safety standards for Part 121 flights. Over time, the 
FAA has created exceptions to this rule. One of these exceptions allows 
an airline designated as a Part 380 Public Charter under FAR Part 135 
with 30 seats or fewer to operate published scheduled flights with 
pilots having as little as 500 flight hours. Recently, SkyWest, applied 
for a commuter air carrier application DOT to allow its newly formed 
public charter subsidiary to utilize this method to have pilots with 
fewer flight hours than Part 121 flight standards.
    Question 1.a. Would this deviate from the ``one level of safety 
policy'' and create two levels of aviation safety for passenger 
airlines?
    Question 1.b. Should passengers who fly on a passenger airline in 
scheduled commercial service with 9-30 seats expect to have lower 
flight safety standards than passengers who fly a passenger airline 
with greater than 30 seats?
    Answer to 1.a. and 1.b. The NTSB has not done any investigations or 
studies that directly address this issue. However, we believe that 
passengers who pay for commercial transport expect the highest levels 
of safety and are not generally aware that, based on the operating 
rules, they may be subject to less stringent safety regulations. In our 
March 2021 report about the safety of revenue passenger-carrying 
operations conducted under Part 91, we concluded the following:
    1.  The FAA has a responsibility to bolster regulations and 
oversight for all revenue passenger-carrying operations.
    2.  Some operators have been exploiting or inappropriately 
capitalizing on the exceptions contained in Part 119.1(e) to avoid the 
additional requirements and oversight intended to apply to the types of 
revenue passenger-carrying operations being conducted.

    Question 1.c. If SkyWest's petition is granted, do you believe that 
airline consumers should be made aware of this fact? Should the 
passenger airlines who operate flights under the Part 380 exception be 
made to fully disclose lesser safety standards to consumers at some 
point during the booking process?
    Answer. Although we do not have a position on the petition, in 
2009, we recommended the FAA require Part 135 on-demand operators to 
provide their customers with a written document, correspondence, or 
ticket that expressly describes the terms of carriage, including the 
regulatory part under which the flight is operated (A-09-78), similar 
to what is provided to Part 121 passengers. This would eliminate 
uncertainty about the commercial intent of the flight. The FAA did not 
act on this recommendation, and it was closed unacceptably in 2013. 
Again, when passengers pay for commercial transport, they expect, and 
should receive, the highest level of safety.

   Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. to Capt. Jason 
     Ambrosi, President, Air Line Pilots Association, International

    Question 1. For the past few Congresses, I've led and plan to lead 
again in this Congress, the Minorities in Aviation Act, to take that 
critical step forward towards diversifying the aviation industry. I 
meet with a well renowned African American pilot, Mr. Omar Brock who 
goes around Georgia inspiring minority youth who look like him and 
might one day want to be just like him. It is great to see individuals 
like Mr. Brock take this responsibility upon themselves, however, we 
must do our part and that is what I plan to do.
    Question 1.a. Mr. Ambrosi, what has your association done to 
advocate on behalf of black pilots directly, who are clearly 
underrepresented in the industry you represent?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

    Question 1.b. On your association's site, under your commitment to 
diversity and inclusion it states, ``We are focusing efforts to foster 
a future generation of commercial airline pilots that better reflects 
the composition of the communities we serve.'' Upon the introduction of 
the Minorities in Aviation Act, could I depend on your organization to 
support this legislation which would foster that future generation with 
diverse commercial airline pilots? Yes or no would suffice.
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

    Question 2.a. This Committee has previously received testimony from 
flight attendants calling attention to cabin air quality, particularly 
regarding harmful air contents that can manifest through some 
aircrafts' ``bleed air'' systems. Are ALPA members observing or 
encountering similar cabin air quality issues?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

    Question 2.b. Follow-Up: Are there key differences in issues with 
cabin air quality based on different types or generations of aircraft?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

 Question from Hon. Dina Titus to Capt. Jason Ambrosi, President, Air 
                 Line Pilots Association, International

    Question 1. There is a considerable amount of news about the supply 
of pilots, and I recall a proposal from the Senate last year to raise 
the age of retirement for pilots to address the issue. I have heard, 
however, that the major constraint on flying is pilot utilization, 
rather than simple supply. Can you explain what is going on and any 
details on the training backlog that affects airline scheduling?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

    Question from Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr. to Capt. Jason Ambrosi, 
         President, Air Line Pilots Association, International

    Question 1. Captain Ambrosi, can you please speak to the current 
safety culture among flight crews and lessons that can be learned from 
the recent runway incursion incidents?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

Question from Hon. Greg Stanton to Capt. Jason Ambrosi, President, Air 
                 Line Pilots Association, International

    Question 1. Using space-based ADS-B would enable FAA to provide 
positive air traffic control in oceanic airspace. How significant is 
that for improving safety and efficiency in that airspace?
    Answer. A response was not received at the time of publication.

 Question from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. to Peter J. Bunce, 
 President and Chief Executive Officer, General Aviation Manufacturers 
                              Association

    Question 1. In your written testimony you encourage the FAA to 
establish various private-public training exchange programs and 
aviation fellowship opportunities. Can you elaborate on how such 
programs would help boost and diversify the FAA's workforce?
    Answer. We believe that by encouraging more collaboration between 
FAA and industry will facilitate highly qualified individuals to tackle 
evolving technology such as flight crew interface (human factors), 
system safety, autonomy, propulsion methods, software, and artificial 
intelligence. In doing so, this would further stronger engagement 
between the FAA and industry, increase the technical expertise of the 
agency, and provide unique opportunities for the FAA's workforce which 
in turn will highlight career paths, boost morale and support 
diversity. We welcome further engagement with policymakers to 
facilitate these important objectives.

Questions from Hon. Greg Stanton to Peter J. Bunce, President and Chief 
     Executive Officer, General Aviation Manufacturers Association

    Question 1. I understand that the FAA has been working for years to 
develop a type certification for some drones models, some of which 
could be used by GAMA members. Where does the FAA stand among global 
peers in advancing drone technology?
    Answer. The drone industry is facing similar challenges as all 
other aviation industries and sectors when developing and introducing 
new technologies, new aircraft, and new types of operations--Current 
requirements and standards across aircraft certification, operations, 
maintenance, pilot licensing, aircraft control and airspace integration 
do not adequately address these new vehicles and operations and 
therefore require significant FAA activity and decisions at the policy 
level to establish the standards and processes necessary for safety. We 
believe GAMA proposals to improve the improve the timeliness, 
transparency, and performance accountability in the development and 
promulgation of regulatory materials will help address this issue as 
well for all of industry.
    If the FAA cannot meet these objectives, they risk losing standing 
to other aviation authorities which in turn affects industry 
competitiveness and U.S. leadership and, more broadly, aviation safety.

    Question 2. If type certification is not ultimately the best avenue 
and use of agency/company resources to establish airworthiness for 
small drones, is there not value for U.S. companies and their investors 
to see the FAA finish what it started on these initial certification 
activities and get to a place where type certificates can be issued for 
those who have been in the pipeline so long?
    Answer. GAMA strongly supports a safety continuum approach for FAA 
regulation, oversight and processes for the airworthiness and 
operations of drones across a broad range of size and types and 
locations of operations. This is consistent with the FAA safety 
regulation for all other types of aircraft such as airplanes and 
helicopters in recreational and commercial operations. It is critical 
that the FAA provide industry a transparent roadmap and clear set of 
risk-based guidelines for durability and reliability testing for the 
type certification of small drones. Clear guidelines are needed to 
ensure consistency in the process across small UAS manufacturers and 
will save considerable federal resources.

 Questions from Hon. Colin Z. Allred to Ed Bolen, President and Chief 
       Executive Officer, National Business Aviation Association

    Question 1. I understand from your testimony you have concerns on 
the implementation of the proposed rule to require all commercial air 
tour operators to have in place a safety management system (SMS). How 
can we work with the small business aviation community to ensure these 
requirements are scaled appropriately?
    Answer. NBAA and the business aviation community recognize the 
value of Safety Management Systems (SMS) and the positive improvements 
these programs bring to an operator's safety culture. However, NBAA is 
concerned that the upcoming FAA mandate for Federal Aviation Regulation 
(FAR) Part 135 and Part 91.147 could take a ``one size fits all'' 
approach to SMS, be overly prescriptive, and not be scalable to smaller 
companies. Congress can help by directing the FAA, as part of its 
rulemaking process, to develop a mechanism to verify that an operator's 
existing SMS program, many of which are subject to extensive third-
party audits, meets regulatory requirements under development.

    Question 2. As you know, Canada and New Zealand recently 
implemented similar SMS requirements. What lessons should the FAA and 
Congress consider from the implementation process in those countries?
    Answer. The SMS implementation challenges experienced in Canada and 
New Zealand resulted from two principal shortfalls: poor inspector 
preparation and training and insufficient guidance to the industry. 
Both issues created a lack of standardization across Canada and New 
Zealand, creating regional interpretations for compliance. As a result, 
it has taken Canada over two decades to develop the standards and 
training necessary to implement scalable SMS programs effectively. The 
U.S. aviation industry must find a way to avoid repeating the poorly 
developed SMS deployment we have seen elsewhere. We must get this right 
from the start in order to leverage the safety benefits that we know 
SMS can deliver.

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