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                    EVERYDAY HEROES: SUPPORTING THE 
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                     COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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                     WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 
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                     MIKE BOST, Illinois, Chairman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       MARK TAKANO, California, Ranking 
  American Samoa, Vice-Chairwoman      Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               JULIA BROWNLEY, California
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           MIKE LEVIN, California
MATTHEW M. ROSENDALE, SR., Montana   CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, Iowa       FRANK J. MRVAN, Indiana
GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina    SHEILA CHERFILUS-MCCORMICK, 
C. SCOTT FRANKLIN, Florida             Florida
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin         CHRISTOPHER R. DELUZIO, 
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas                 Pennsylvania
JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona              MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
ELIJAH CRANE, Arizona                DELIA C. RAMIREZ, Illinois
KEITH SELF, Texas                    GREG LANDSMAN, Ohio
JENNIFER A. KIGGANS, Virginia        NIKKI BUDZINSKI, Illinois

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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Mike Bost, Chairman................................     1
The Honorable Mark Takano, Ranking Member........................     3

                               WITNESSES 
                               
                                Panel I

Dr. Colleen Richardson, Psy.D, Executive Director, Caregiver 
  Support Program, Veterans Health Administration, U.S. 
  Department of Veterans Affairs.................................     5

        Accompanied by:

    Ms. Laura Duke, Chief Financial Officer, Veterans Health 
        Administration, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

                                Panel II

Dr. Rajeev Ramchand, Senior Behavioral Scientist and Codirector, 
  RAND Epstein Family Veterans Research Institute................    36

Mr. Steve Schwab, CEO, Elizabeth Dole Foundation (EDF)...........    38

Ms. Vanessa Chism, Elizabeth Dole Caregiver Fellow...............    40

Mr. Troy Broussard, State Director, AARP.........................    42

Mr. Jonathan Pruden, Special Advisor to the Chief of Staff-
  Warrior Care, Wounded Warrior Project..........................    44

                                APPENDIX 
                                
                    Prepared Statements Of Witnesses

Dr. Colleen Richardson, Psy.D Prepared Statement.................    59
Dr. Rajeev Ramchand Prepared Statement...........................    61
Mr. Steve Schwab Prepared Statement..............................    67
Ms. Vanessa Chism Prepared Statement.............................    73
Mr. Troy Broussard Prepared Statement............................    81
Mr. Jonathan Pruden Prepared Statement...........................    87

                       Statements For The Record

Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States Prepared Statement.    99
Paralyzed Veterans of America Prepared Statement.................   103
Quality of Life Foundation Prepared Statement....................   106
Blue Star Families Prepared Statement............................   109

 
                    EVERYDAY HEROES: SUPPORTING THE 
                      VETERAN CAREGIVER COMMUNITY

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                     WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2024

                    Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
                             U.S. House of Representatives,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:16 a.m., in 
room 360, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Mike Bost 
(chairman of the committee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Bost, Rosendale, Miller-Meeks, 
Murphy, Van Orden, Ciscomani, Self, Kiggans, Takano, Brownley, 
Pappas, Cherfilus-McCormick, Landsman, Budzinski, and Kennedy.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF MIKE BOST, CHAIRMAN

    The Chairman. The committee will come to order. First off, 
I want to welcome all of our witnesses to the hearing here 
today. I thank you for being here.
    Before we get started, I would like to take a moment to 
recognize our Gold Star family remembrance week, which honors 
the families who have lost loved ones in service to our Nation. 
Their sacrifices will never be forgotten and we extend our 
deepest gratitude to them.
    I also want to take a moment to welcome back to the 
committee, I hope he is not having flashbacks, former U.S. 
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) Secretary Bob McDonald is 
in the room.
    Well, today we are going to discuss the critical issues 
facing veterans' caregivers. Veterans' caregivers play an 
unseen role in supporting their loved ones, the men and women 
who serve our country.
    Caregivers include veterans, spouses, children, parents 
making countless sacrifices to care for their loved ones. Many 
of these caregivers face emotional, financial, and physical 
hardships because of their care that they have to deliver for 
their veterans.
    As a veteran who comes from a military family I understand 
these challenges first-hand. My uncle returned home from 
Vietnam with visible and invisible wounds of war and went on to 
live a very successful life, but that required some care and 
attention from the extended family.
    Now, just yesterday, the Research and Development (RAND) 
Corporation published a report on challenges and hardships 
millions of military families live with every day. This report 
sheds light on the evolving demographics of caregivers with 
more aging parents and young children taking on caregiver 
roles.
    One of the major concerns in the report, which we have also 
heard from advocates and stakeholders, is the lack of access to 
mental health resources.
    Caregivers are all also often isolated and experienced high 
levels of stress and burnout, but many are unaware or unable to 
access VA resources such as caregiver-specific mental health 
support groups. This is especially true in rural parts of this 
country like my district.
    Now, provisions of the Senator Elizabeth Dole Act taken 
from Ms. Kiggans' Caregiver Outreach and Program Enhancement 
(COPE) Act, will require VA to award grants to improve the 
mental health support for caregivers. This is an important step 
toward addressing the mental health stigma and giving 
caregivers the support they need.
    Caregivers' families face economic pressure as many are 
forced to reduce work hours or leave employment entirely. While 
some financial support is available through the VA stipends, it 
often falls short.
    Beyond these challenges we must address the Biden-Harris 
administration's failure to release new regulations from the 
Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers 
(PCAFC). The administration has dragged its feet on these 
changes and leaving thousands of caregivers in limbo.
    Caregivers support the men and women who served and it is 
about time that the White House and VA put some action behind 
their words. We are even hearing now from caregivers that VA 
has slowed down services and new programs since disclosing 
their budget shortfall.
    It has been a battle getting clear information from VA 
about the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) budget 
shortfall. Based on what we know, none of the caregivers' 
budget accounts seem to be included so it is troubling and 
confusing why this is happening.
    Now, I understand that the administration and the VA 
leaders are urging Congress to immediately approve the VHA $12 
billion budget shortfall without us asking questions.
    Well, today's hearing will help us hold VA accountable and 
determine the actions needed to ensure caregivers receive full 
support they deserve.
    Now finally, as I previously mentioned, the Dole Act is 
critical legislation to improve services for caregivers. The 
Dole Act expands access to home and community-based services 
for veterans and would expand mental health support for 
caregivers. I cannot imagine anyone that would vote against 
this.
    I hope to bring the bill to the floor very soon. It is time 
to put politics aside support the needed legislation.
    Now I am eager to hear today from VA about how they plan to 
address the challenges of the veterans' caregivers and the 
community that they serve.
    We also look forward to learning from our expert witnesses, 
but most importantly, we will hear directly from Vanessa Chism, 
an Elizabeth Dole caregiver fellow who cares for her husband 
every day. Her testimony will provide a powerful perspective on 
the day-to-day life as a veteran caregiver.
    I would also like to welcome the Elizabeth Dole caregiver 
fellows who are advocating for caregivers on Capitol Hill 
today. I am glad and especially would like to welcome Theresa 
Coomer from the great State of Illinois. Thank you for being 
here. Thank you for your dedication and sacrifice.
    We see you, all of you caregivers, and as long as I am in 
charge of this committee I will make sure that your voice is 
heard.
    With that, I now recognize Ranking Member Takano for his 
opening statement.

        OPENING STATEMENT OF MARK TAKANO, RANKING MEMBER

    Mr. Takano. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Caregivers are an indispensable component of the complex 
network of healthcare delivery for our most vulnerable 
veterans. As we can all see from RAND's new report, caregivers 
are not only partners, children, friends, neighbors, and loved 
ones but also a critical lifeline for those who are living with 
the visible and invisible wounds of war.
    They take time out of their own lives and make sacrifices 
every day to ensure that veterans in their lives have the best 
possible healthcare and highest possible quality of life.
    They wear many hats. They are advocates for veterans' 
healthcare needs, carers who help veterans with daily tasks, 
and often the most trusted members of their veteran support 
systems.
    Together with their veterans, they often must navigate a 
complex system of services and supports, overcome hurdles after 
bureaucratic hurdle, often that expense of their own mental 
health and financial well-being.
    I am glad that we can gather here today to acknowledge the 
tireless and priceless sacrifices made by veteran caregivers 
and to ensure that we are doing all we can to provide them with 
the support and resources they deserve. I look forward to 
hearing from RAND and the Elizabeth Dole Foundation (EDF) about 
their new report.
    I am interested in hearing more about what they found about 
military and veteran caregiving, the military and veteran 
caregiving population and how its needs have changed over the 
past 10 years.
    I am also glad we will have the opportunity to hear first-
hand from Ms. Vanessa Chism, who has been a full-time caregiver 
for her Army veteran, Cody, for the last 15 years. The 
perseverance and resilience she, along with her three children, 
have shown in caring for Cody are nothing short of remarkable.
    I look forward to hearing from other witnesses on panel two 
about how they are working to support caregivers and their 
recommendations to continue to support this vital population. 
Much progress has been made but there is so much more to be 
done.
    Finally, I look forward to hearing more from VA about how 
it plans to strengthen and expand services and supports for 
caregivers. I hope we will hear more today about when VA 
finally plans to issue its notice of proposed rulemaking for 
the Caregiver Support Program (CSP).
    Legacy participants of the Program of Comprehensive 
Assistance for Family Caregivers have been waiting in limbo for 
years to find out whether they will be able to stay in the 
program and continue receiving the stipends and services they 
rely on.
    Now, before I close, I want to acknowledge the advocacy of 
several witnesses on our panel for H.R. 542, the Elizabeth Dole 
Home Care Act, which was authored by my colleague 
Representative Julia Brownley.
    Now, this legislation would be transformative for elderly 
and disabled veterans and their caregivers. It would enable 
veterans to remain at home, safely age in place, and avoid or 
delay admission to nursing homes and other costly institutional 
settings of care.
    It will also help better connect veteran caregivers to 
respite care and other supportive services that can help them 
care for veterans.
    In addition, this legislation will help improve VA's 
coordination with other Federal long-term care programs that 
promote aging at home. Now, for many Veterans Service 
Organizations (VSO), the Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act has been 
a top legislative priority since its original introduction in 
2022.
    I, too, want to see this legislation enacted as soon as 
possible. Ensuring that VA can serve all veterans and 
caregivers of every generation is critical. VA must have the 
resources it needs to continue to build capacity and modernize 
infrastructure so that we can have the very best services for 
those who have earned them.
    What this means is doing the hard work of putting VA on the 
right track with regard to the balance of healthcare dollars in 
both direct VA care and community care.
    Now, this has become even more important with the thousands 
of veterans coming into VA for the very first time with the 
successful implementation of the Sergeant First Class Heath 
Robinson Honoring our Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxics 
(PACT) Act. That means every piece of legislation we move 
forward must recognize and support the need for that balance 
between direct care and community care.
    H.R. 8371, the package that many of you have advocated for, 
does not do that yet. It is 90 percent of the way there, but 
the remaining parts need to be reconsidered and amended. I 
appreciate your advocacy but I have been clear about what 
changes I think are absolutely necessary to ensure the solvency 
of VA. Without those changes I simply cannot support it at this 
time.
    However, as I have said repeatedly, I stand ready to work 
together on an outcome that meets our goal of serving veterans 
and those that care for them. If everyone is willing to work in 
a bipartisan way, as has been the practice of this committee, I 
do think we can get that accomplished.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member Takano.
    We will now turn to our witnesses in the first panel. 
Testifying before us at the first panel is Dr. Colleen 
Richardson, executive director of the Department of Veterans 
Affairs, Caregiver Support Program. She is accompanied by Ms. 
Laura Duke the chief financial officer of VHA.
    Dr. Richardson, you are recognized for 5 minutes for your 
opening statement.

                STATEMENT OF COLLEEN RICHARDSON

    Dr. Richardson. Good morning Chairman Bost, Ranking Member 
Takano, and members of the committee. I appreciate the 
opportunity to discuss VA's Caregiver Support Program. I am 
accompanied today by Ms. Laura Duke, VHA's chief financial 
officer.
    As a Navy veteran, former caregiver, and the first clinical 
psychologist with Marine Corps' Wounded Warrior battalion at 
Camp Pendleton, I understand first-hand the important role 
caregivers play in the lives of our veterans.
    I am honored to serve as the leader of the VA's Caregiver 
Support Program. This is not just a job for me. It is personal. 
My goal is always to lead with honor, courage, and commitment, 
the same values I learned while serving with the Marines.
    I value delivering supports, education, resources, and 
services to our caregivers through our two national programs, 
the Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers 
and the Program of General Caregiver Support Services, PGCSS.
    Each year I designate a theme which drives the vision and 
the operational focus for the year. Annual themes are 
identified using feedback from caregivers, veterans, staff, and 
strategic partners such as Veteran Service Organizations, 
Members of Congress, and others.
    In Fiscal Year 2024, the theme, the Year of the Caregiver, 
the Whole Caregiver, was focused on enhancing the delivery of 
clinical support services to caregivers and implementing other 
programmatic and process improvements. I am excited to share 
the progress we have made toward some of those initiatives.
    First, we recognize and know the importance of Veterans 
Integrated Service Networks (VISN) to serve as subject matter 
experts on the benefits of respite, respite services, and 
respite funding.
    As a result, we have seen tremendous growth in the 
utilization of respite care, which has increased 278 percent 
since Fiscal Year 2022. We are thrilled to see more caregivers 
taking advantage of this well-deserved benefit.
    Additionally, CSP implemented a virtual psychotherapy 
program for caregivers, or VPPC. Through the VPPC, VA is better 
able to address and provide the mental health counseling family 
caregivers request and deserve.
    CSP has activated hubs in all 18 VISNs. The VPPC is on 
track to complete over 14 psychotherapy appointments this 
fiscal year.
    Just when we fly we all hear the safety instructions of air 
masks deploying from the ceiling, put on your own masks before 
helping others. This applies to our caregivers.
    We need to support them to take care of themselves so that 
they can take care of their veterans. This is what respite and 
mental health care are all about.
    Finally, we heard overwhelmingly from caregivers of their 
desire to receive Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) training 
so we made it available. Excuse me. CSP partnered with VA's 
Center for Development and Civic Engagement, and similar, to 
design a process to train caregivers in CPR.
    CSP has provided educational support such as CPR and basic 
life support certification to caregivers nationally. Today, CPR 
training for caregivers has been implemented at 70 sites and 
continues to grow. These trainings have been highly requested 
by caregivers and empower them with the lifesaving skills 
needed to support their veteran in the time of an emergency.
    I could talk about many other innovative ways we are 
supporting caregivers through CSP, but these milestones do not 
overshadow VA's recognition and my recognition that there is 
more work to be done in support of our caregivers, and 
specifically, more work to be done to improve PCAFC.
    While I am proud of all that we have accomplished and the 
hard work and dedication of our employees on the Caregiver 
Support Teams that exist at every VA medical facility, I also 
recognize that there is more that we can do.
    We have heard through various engagements and listening 
sessions that some of our evaluation for criteria for PCAFC is 
too restrictive. We have taken a close look at all aspects of 
PCAFC to identify areas where we need to get better.
    As announced in the spring unified agenda, VA intends to 
issue a notice of proposed rulemaking to propose amendments to 
PCAFC eligibility criteria and definitions and to consider 
other changes to the evaluation processes. I am pleased to 
share that a notice of proposed rulemaking was submitted to the 
Office of Management and Budget (OMB) this year.
    I am limited in what I can share as a rule remains under 
review while we continue the deliberative process with OMB 
regarding proposed changes. However, once the notice of 
proposed rule is published, VA will announce this information 
widely and encourage submission of public comments and feedback 
to identify whether additional changes may be needed.
    This marks a significant step toward VA's efforts to 
further improve PCAFC and deliver a program which meets the 
needs of eligible veterans of all eras and their family 
caregivers.
    I appreciate the continued support of this committee, VSOs, 
some of whom you will be hearing from on the next panel, and 
the vast caregiver community. Your support and advocacy are 
essential to supporting our Nation's veterans, as well as those 
who care for them.
    On behalf of the Department of Veterans Affairs and the 
Caregiver Support Program, we thank you for the opportunity to 
be here this morning and appreciate the continued 
collaboration.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Colleen Richardson Appears In 
The Appendix]

    The Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Richardson and Semper Fi.
    We are now going to go to questions and I will recognize 
myself for 5 minutes, as soon as I mark my script where I am 
at.
    Dr. Richardson, why has VA delayed publishing the pending 
caregivers PCAFC proposal rules for 2 years?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you for the question. CSP and VA has 
taken a step back these last 2 years through community 
engagements, meeting with VSOs, external partners. I thought it 
was really important that we gather the information that they 
felt was critical and what we are missing today to be 
successful in implementation of this program.
    We have taken that time these last 2 years to really look 
at the criteria, where it stands today, and what changes need 
to be made. As I mentioned, sir, we have submitted that notice 
of proposed rulemaking to OMB and we continue that deliberative 
process and discussions with them today.
    The Chairman. You know, 2 years is a long time. I know 
government moves slowly, but our witnesses on the second panel 
have concerns about the holdup. What would be your answer to 
them, other than the answer that you just gave? Or would it be 
the same?
    Dr. Richardson. I would say, you know, when we opened this 
program up the first time on October 1 of 2020, we did not get 
it quite right and I do not want that to happen again. Now that 
I am leading the Caregiver Support Program, I think it is my 
duty and obligation to these fellow caregivers to make sure 
that we get it right this second time around. I want to be 
careful in that process.
    The Chairman. Well, caregivers in Illinois are having 
issues accessing respite care. How can VA improve access to 
these programs designed to give caregivers a break?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir. We noticed that as well, sir. We 
had a very low respite utilization when I first came onboard. 
Roughly around 7 percent of our budget was going toward respite 
at that time.
    What we heard through listening sessions, I have probably 
done over hundreds of listening sessions both in-person and 
virtually with caregivers across the country, took an 
opportunity to see what it was that they needed to be 
successful in this caregiving journey and also to identify what 
they were not identifying for themselves.
    As we all know, caregivers hardly ever take the time they 
need for themselves in their caregiving journey. We heard 
respite was one of those things and so what we did was--and now 
they are experts and they have gone, I believe, in the train 
the trainer model.
    They have gone now into the medical facilities and trained 
the local staff. We have seen an exponential increase in 
respite. It is still not enough. I still think caregivers need 
to take more advantage of the respite that is available to them 
in both programs.
    PGCSS and PCAFC by statute, thanks to Congress, no less 
than 30 days of respite is offered to our caregivers across the 
country.
    The Chairman. Wonderful.
    Ms. Duke, why is the VHA budget shortfall requesting via 
the Toxics Exposures Fund (TEF) account instead of normal 
accounts?
    Ms. Duke. To the extent that Congress provided adequate 
funding through the creation of the TEF to ensure that we would 
be able to continue services for those veterans who have toxic 
exposure, I can commit that if Congress provides the shortfall 
as requested in TEF we will be able to execute that funding 
against the care needs of this population in 2025.
    The Chairman. Well, let me tell you what we feel here and, 
I mean, the concern I have is that the administration of OMB 
and VA are trying to avoid the Fiscal Responsibility Act 
spending caps and create a funding gimmick.
    That is my concern because the way the TEF is written it 
allows you to spend freely and we do not have to always get the 
reports back from VA we really like to get on how and when it 
is being spent. That is our concern. I think you need to know 
that.
    Dr. Richardson, no spouse or caregiver often feeling 
ignored by the VA--I am sorry--non-spouse caregivers often feel 
ignored by the VA. What support services does VA offer to 
parents and/or children and/or non-spouses that are the 
caregiver?
    Dr. Richardson. Sure. For the Program of Comprehensive 
Assistance or the Program of General Caregiver Support we can 
offer supports and services if they are enrolled in either one.
    For PGCSS, our Program of General Caregiver Support 
Services, there is no application for that program. As long as 
a veteran is enrolled in VHA healthcare and identifies somebody 
that takes care of them, whether it is helping them with day-
to-day tasks such as dressing or bathing or helping them with 
supervision or protection or instruction, we can offer supports 
and services to that particular caregiver.
    It does not matter if they are spouse or a non-spouse. Then 
we partner with other organizations to help children and 
families across the country.
    The Chairman. How are you getting that message out?
    Dr. Richardson. Upon initial application. We have a couple 
of things that we do right now. We realize that there are a lot 
of people out who still do not know about the Caregiver Support 
Program, so I hired an Outreach Coordinator within the VA 
Central Office and a Communications Director.
    We have attended, I think, over 70 national events in the 
last couple of years just trying to get our word out there that 
we have this program and it is available to all caregivers and 
Veterans who are enrolled in VHA healthcare.
    The Chairman. All right. Thank you. My time has expired.
    I now recognize the Ranking Member, Representative Takano.
    Mr. Takano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    My first question is to Dr. Richardson. In your testimony 
you state that the number of caregivers using respite care has 
increased by 278 percent since Fiscal Year 2022, which is just 
2 years ago. What percentage of participants in the family 
caregiver program have actually been served?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you for that question. You are 
talking about the Program of Comprehensive Assistance, sir----
    Mr. Takano. Yes, ma'am.
    Dr. Richardson [continuing]. for Family Caregivers? I do 
not have that number right in front of me, sir, but I can get 
that for you if you would like.
    Mr. Takano. I would appreciate that. How much of this 
respite care is VA providing in-house versus referring to 
private sector providers where veterans and their caregivers 
are in competition with non-veterans who may have more 
resources to pay out-of-pocket?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir. A majority of the care is 
provided in the community, so respite care is something that we 
contract with out in the community to provide services for our 
veterans in their home.
    We realize that this is not always the best option for our 
veterans, so today we are piloting something called VDC 
Respite, Veteran-Directed Care Respite, is being piloted in 11 
sites across the country, some of them being rural sites as 
well.
    What we realize and what we have heard through listening 
sessions is that our veterans and caregivers would prefer 
somebody that they know to come into their home to care for 
their veteran, and we agree.
    We have partnered with VDC. As long as a veteran is duly 
enrolled in VDC and CSP PCAFC, we will pilot this program to 
see how well it works with our veterans across the country. 
Then I hope to expand that as we move forward into the future.
    Mr. Takano. All right. Well, thank you. Yes, I was 
concerned to read in Ms. Chism's testimony that in the past 12 
years that she has participated in VA's Family Caregiver 
Program she has never been able to access respite care, nor has 
she been able to enroll in the Veteran-Directed Care Program, 
which would provide funds to hire someone to help.
    What are some ways that you are working to improve 
caregivers' access, you have already mentioned some, but to 
improve the caregivers' access to respite care?
    Dr. Richardson. Sure. We trained those 18 champions across 
the country to make sure that our staff understood because we 
know respite is different at every VA across the country. 
Community resources are different across the country depending 
on where you live and how you get those services.
    That is something that we have really focused on this last 
year and there is always work to be done. We are fluid and 
flexible, and I want to continue to move in that direction.
    Mr. Takano. Dr. Richardson, well, thank you for that. One 
thing that struck me from reading RAND's new report is that 
more and more caregivers are reporting a need for mental health 
services but they often cite a lack of time to travel to mental 
health appointments as the reason why they cannot. They do not 
seek it out.
    I am glad to hear that VA has implemented a virtual 
psychotherapy program to help address this, and it seems like 
even community virtual psychotherapy programs are, kind of, 
becoming more of the norm and that this program has nearly had 
14,000 visits.
    Does that number reflect the total number of requests for 
care that have been received? Or is there still unmet demand 
for the services beyond the nearly 14,000 visits that you have 
provided?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you, sir, for that question. I think 
there is always a demand for mental healthcare and sometimes 
people do not recognize that they have that demand for mental 
healthcare.
    I think some of the things that we do, we do that 
traditional psychotherapy, as we mentioned, the virtual 
psychotherapy hubs that we offer for a veteran, or excuse me, 
that we offer for our caregivers enrolled in PCAFC.
    The other thing that we do are in-person services and you 
are right. 51 percent of the caregivers that we surveyed asked 
for virtual psychotherapy. It is often hard for them to get the 
veteran loaded into the vehicle, bring them to the local 
medical facility, and take advantage of those in-person 
appointments. That is what we hired our own staff, 54 staff 
across the country to specifically care for our caregivers.
    In addition to that, we are training our--this is the first 
of its kind. I know of no other program that exists that 
focuses on the specific needs of caregivers. As a clinical 
psychologist, measurement-based care and evidence-based 
treatment for the treatment of our caregivers is really 
important to me and so that is something that we focused on 
this year as well.
    We are training our providers in evidence-based care for 
our caregivers. Then we are also measuring that to see how it 
is impacting their quality of life.
    Mr. Takano. Well, Dr. Richardson, even though a veteran and 
caregiver may be found ineligible for the Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers, they are quite 
likely to be eligible for a variety of other institutional 
programs that VA administers.
    However, we often hear from caregivers and advocates that 
the Caregiver Support Program is not always facilitating warm 
handoffs to other services. To what extent is VA working to 
improve coordination among its programs to ensure that warm 
handoffs are made?
    I may need to just take this back because I do not want 
to--we have a lot of numbers here. I do not want to intrude on 
other members' time. Maybe you can get that back to us or maybe 
another member will give me their time.
    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member.
    Representative Rosendale, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Rosendale. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, for holding 
this hearing today.
    The people who care about and care for our veterans, better 
known as caregivers, play a vital role in supporting the health 
of our veteran population.
    Unfortunately, these caregivers often do not get the 
necessary attention and support they deserve. I am grateful 
that this committee is conducting this hearing.
    Caregivers, typically family members or close friends, help 
veterans with necessary activities that are essential to 
living, including eating, dressing, and bathing. Caregivers are 
the biggest advocates for veterans, helping them get to and 
from doctor's appointments, ensuring that their bills are paid, 
and interests are being looked out for.
    Being a caregiver entails great sacrifice, and we have seen 
touching stories of individuals giving up their prior careers 
to care full-time for a loved one.
    A recent study from The Associated Press-National Opinion 
Research Center (NORC) Center for Public Affairs Research found 
88 percent of Americans would prefer to receive any ongoing 
living assistance they need as they age at home with loved 
ones, which is the same information that you are sharing with 
us.
    Just 12 percent want to receive care in a senior community 
or nursing home. Caregivers allowed veterans to live at home 
surrounded by their loved ones.
    I want to ensure that Congress continues to give needed 
support to caregivers so they can continue to care for our 
Nation's heroes.
    Dr. Richardson, I have heard first-hand reports from many 
individuals who want to be caregivers but they feel they lack 
the necessary qualifications. The RAND report highlighted this 
fact.
    What steps are the VA taking to ensure that caregivers have 
the proper training to care for veterans?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir, thank you for that question. As I 
mentioned, we have done listening sessions, but in addition to 
listening sessions we have done Veteran Signals (VSignals) 
surveys. We have a 26 percent response rate, which is extremely 
high.
    In this we look at those opportunities to see what it is 
that caregivers need to be successful. We may think we know 
what they need but that is not always a hundred percent 
accurate. It is important for me to hear from the consumer of 
what we do.
    Some of those things that we have heard just in the last 2 
years have been mental health, we have gotten that. CPR, we 
have done that. Respite, we have done that.
    We have also heard they need additional assistance with 
just different diagnoses, different ways to be successful in, 
for example, transferring their veteran from the bed to the 
chair or from the commode back to the chair, in and out of the 
bathtub.
    We have also heard, you know, as you know, veterans of 
different service areas have very different and unique 
caregiving needs. They are not the same amongst the service 
eras.
    What we have also heard is that our caregivers need not 
only CPR but we are calling CPR plus. We have partnered this 
year, so this coming year, we will have diabetic emergency. We 
will have first aid, falls, head injuries, (SCI). We are adding 
more and more resources based on what we hear, not on based 
what we think they need.
    Mr. Rosendale. Very good, very good. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Duke, I am going to go into the financial end of these 
things. Obviously, we want to make sure that the proper funding 
is provided and that it is being fully utilized.
    As you know, $3.4 billion of your $12 billion shortfall is 
for medication. You have explained this as a result of new, 
high cost drugs that do not have generic versions.
    The main drugs are injectable diabetes and weight loss 
drugs and resmetirom for liver disease. How much in fiscal 2024 
did the VHA spend on weight loss and injectable diabetes drugs?
    Ms. Duke. I do not have that number with me but we will get 
it for you.
    Mr. Rosendale. Yes.
    Ms. Duke. I do think that the reason for including it in 
the shortfall analysis was the concern that this would be a 
growing need for our veterans based on the trends that we have 
seen outside of VA.
    Mr. Rosendale. It is and this is exactly the line of 
questioning I want to get to because as in my previous job as a 
commissioner of securities and insurance for the State of 
Montana, I did an incredible amount of research on healthcare 
and the cost of pharmaceutical drugs and know that it is a 
major driving cost for healthcare.
    How much do you plan on spending in 2025 on these 
medications, fiscal 2025?
    Ms. Duke. I would have to get that specifically broken out 
by medicine.
    Mr. Rosendale. Okay. Please get that information for me. A 
recent study found that those taking any form of semaglutide 
lost an average of 39 percent of muscle mass, of muscle mass.
    Another study found that these weight loss drugs come with 
a heightened risk of gastrointestinal problems, specifically a 
3.67 time higher risk of stomach paralysis. We also know that 
the need for these drugs to be effective for weight loss it has 
to be taken for a lifetime.
    Why does the VA think it is a good use of taxpayer money to 
spend thousands of dollars per month per veteran on drugs that 
have so many side effects, require a lifetime of taking for any 
benefit, are way more expensive than in Europe, and fail to 
address the root cause of the veteran's metabolic dysfunction?
    Ms. Duke. I will take that back to our pharmacists who make 
the ultimate determination regarding what the standard of care 
is. I would just say that----
    Mr. Rosendale. This has got to be a coordination not just 
pharmacists, but the physicians within the VA have to start 
addressing the root cause of the problem instead of just 
treating the symptoms. Okay?
    That is what we need to get at and the food, the diet, the 
exercise. We have to begin to incentivize that to get our arms 
around obesity instead of just giving everybody a pill.
    Thank you, Mr. Chair. I yield back.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Representative Brownley.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and thank the 
panelists for being here.
    Dr. Richardson, my first question is to you. I think we are 
all very much aware that VA suspended in 2022, suspended its 
annual reassessment of eligibility for the legacy cohort within 
the Family Caregiver Program and this pause was to better 
understand the impacts of that reassessment criteria.
    We all know, I think we probably all of us here, agree that 
ineligibility for this program would certainly upend the 
caregivers' ability to do their job and would certainly upend 
the veterans who need these services as well.
    My bill, the Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act, I think would 
provide a really more than adequate transition for both these 
folks in the legacy cohort, as well as new caregivers and new 
veterans who are going to need these services. I know that you 
have made it very clear that you are not going to provide us 
with the criteria that you are evaluating now, but do you 
believe that the Elizabeth Dole Care Act would provide that 
transition successfully?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you, ma'am, for that question. I 
believe VA has offered TA (phonetic 2:07:25) and views on that, 
and I apologize, ma'am. I do not have that in front of me to 
further comment from VHA's standpoint on that.
    Ms. Brownley. Are you aware of the bill?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, I am.
    Ms. Brownley. You cannot make a personal assessment or a 
comment?
    Dr. Richardson. Ma'am, I always appreciate the opportunity 
to provide feedback on opportunities like this, but I want to 
make sure I am in line with what the VHA has provided as well, 
ma'am.
    Ms. Brownley. Okay. Almost everybody has asked about 
respite care and I wanted to ask briefly about this, too. You 
know, in Ms. Chism's testimony, as I think the ranking member 
mentioned, that for 12 years she was unable to receive respite 
care. For 12 years she was unable to receive respite care.
    Then when she was finally able to receive it she was told 
it would be she would have to give a 2-week notice in order to 
get it. You know, having to rearrange her whole schedule and so 
forth and perhaps miss a child's recital at school or whatever 
it might be that she needed it for.
    I just do not understand why this is happening. I do 
understand why it is happening. There are not enough respite 
providers out there. I do not understand that if you have got a 
caregiver who is providing care for a veteran on a full-time 
basis that for 12 years she is unable to receive any kind of 
respite care?
    You know, I would just want to hear your comments with 
regards to that. I want to know that are the caregiver 
coordinators across the country reporting back to you how many 
people who are asking for respite care who cannot receive 
respite care?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. I think it is completely 
unacceptable on every level. Caregivers should have every 
opportunity available to them to take the respite that they 
deserve in order to take a break. It is unacceptable.
    I think my staff does let me know, and I also meet with the 
caregivers to also find out things.
    Ms. Brownley. Whoa, whoa, they let you know? Is this just 
sort of a casual thing? They will call you up and say, oh, by 
the way, I have a couple of people out here that I cannot 
provide respite care to? Or is it within your system to report 
that so you have the accurate data?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. It is within my system to 
report that, that we have the accurate data. We actually pay 
out the respite out of my program office so I am aware.
    That is what was brought to my attention, that we had such 
a low underutilization of respite across the country about a 
year ago. That is why we started the respite champions 
initiative so that we can increase that and make sure that our 
caregivers are getting that respite care they deserve.
    Ms. Brownley. Do you know how many respite people that you 
need to really satisfy the need out there across the country? 
The VA has this, sometimes has an issue of doing really well in 
one area but not so well in another area.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. I think it really depends on 
the caregiver and the veteran. Some of them need 24-hour care. 
Some of them need care for 2 hours twice a week. It really 
depends on the location and what the needs are of that 
particular caregiver and veteran.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you. Ms. Chism also submitted in her 
testimony the issue around the Veteran-Directed Care Program 
that the VA provides and noted that this direct care is not 
really offered in certain areas and it is in a very limited 
catchment area throughout the country. Can you speak to that 
please?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you, ma'am. My understanding of 
Veteran Directed Care which, as you know, falls under 
Geriatrics and Extended Care (GEC), I believe, is now 
attempting to be offered across the country. Happy to take that 
back and get you further information from GEC if necessary.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you. I think I would like to know when 
it is going to be offered across the country and how long is 
that going to take for that to happen. I think it is a very 
popular program within the veterans.
    Certainly I think, again, the Elizabeth Dole Act addresses 
this and addresses the respite issue and certainly, I think, a 
successful transition for the legacy cohort and new veterans 
and new caregivers to move forward. I would like to have more 
specific information.
    With that, I will yield back.
    The Chairman. Dr. Miller-Meeks, you are recognized for 5 
minutes.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. All right. Thank you very much, Chairman 
Bost.
    I thank our witnesses for appearing here and some of the 
doctors were trying to answer the previous question for you, 
which my question is somewhat related to that and you may have 
already answered it, Ms. Duke.
    You are requesting $1 billion for high cost drugs. I am not 
going to go into the necessity for them because I think there 
is value in that, but it is a round number and I believe you 
have described it as a guess.
    Do you think it would be more appropriate to come back to 
Congress and request the amount of money once you have a more 
reliable estimate? Or is it an estimate because you are 
anticipating growth in the need of those medications?
    Ms. Duke. Thank you for the question. It is clearly the 
latter. It is the recognition that this is evolving and 
becoming a fiscal pressure within our purview, not specifically 
the semaglutides, but pharmacy growth was part of what 
necessitated us coming forward with a shortfall.
    We wanted to make sure that we were transparent about the 
needs and also not that we would have to make any decisions 
regarding pharmaceuticals based on having to make budget 
tradeoffs next year. We always want to provide to our 
healthcare professionals what is necessary for the veterans' 
treatment.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. You estimated in your Fiscal Year 2025 
budget that the growth of community care spending would drop 
from 14.8 percent to 12 percent. Now, you are estimating that 
it will increase to 16.5 percent and this difference accounts 
for $1.9 billion of your budget shortfall. Having taken care of 
my mother with Alzheimer's and my mother after my father's 
death and he was retired military, why would you have assumed 
in your budget that community care would shrink? I mean, 
certainly, in all of your listening sessions it is 
extraordinarily popular.
    People, if they can, would rather be in their home with 
people that they know and with whom they have a relationship.
    Ms. Duke. It is not actually that we anticipate the program 
shrinking. It was the rate of growth. We have always 
anticipated that community care obligations would continue to 
grow. It was how quickly.
    This was, again, going back to post-John S. McCain III, 
Daniel K. Akaka, and Samuel R. Johnson VA Maintaining Internal 
Systems and Strengthening Integrated Outside Networks Act 
(MISSION) Act trying to figure out what is the balance of the 
way to best serve veteran needs in light of the fact that we 
have facilities where we do and veterans live where they do.
    This was a readjustment of the estimate of how much 
community care would need to grow to continue to provide 
veterans with the care that they are seeking.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Well, you know, then I would have 
anticipated as a budget person and to my brother-in-law, who is 
as an accountant, that you would have kept the estimate the 
same rather than reduce it. I just want to make sure that that 
is not a result of the VA trying to restrict community care 
access.
    Ms. Duke. No, ma'am. We are----
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you.
    Ms. Duke [continuing]. committed to providing care wherever 
the veterans need it.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you.
    Dr. Richardson, the RAND report indicates that many 
caregivers feel unrecognized and unsupported by the VA, and I 
think you might have addressed this a little bit, but what 
immediate actions will the VA take to ensure caregivers are 
acknowledged as the key partners in veterans' care? That 
includes making decisions for veterans.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. I think that that is a critical 
and crucial role for our caregivers. Oftentimes our caregivers 
know more about the veteran than the veteran does him or 
herself.
    I agree with you. I think this is an opportunity for us to 
continue to collaborate across VA medical centers across the 
country, especially, probably, within primary care where we see 
most veterans come in first and have that opportunity to make 
sure that we are recognizing those caregivers.
    One of the things that we have already done is caregivers 
have their own medical record when they are identified as 
caregivers in VHA healthcare system.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Is there a training that is required in 
primary care clinics for this relationship between the 
caregiver, the veteran, and the primary care provider?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, there is. We have the Campaign 
for Inclusive Care that we have partnered with several years 
ago with the Elizabeth Dole Foundation to ensure that 
caregivers are being included.
    What I understand from what you are saying and what I have 
also heard from caregivers is that has not been effective 
enough and we need to do better.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Speaking of the Elizabeth Dole 
Foundation, you noted in your testimony that several programs, 
including the VHA's family resource coordination program, have 
been delayed or limited since the announcement of the budget 
shortfall.
    Can you discuss the decision to limit the family resource 
coordination program, which, in essence, family caregivers are 
saving the VA money which is intended to connect caregiver 
families with needed resources from a phased implementation 
plan to a pilot program?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. I am happy to connect with our 
partners and Care Management and Social Work on that question 
as that falls under their purview.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Okay.
    Thank you to our witnesses.
    Thank you, Chair Bost. I yield back.
    The Chairman. Representative Pappas.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you. Mr. Chairman.
    I want to thank our witnesses for their testimony and it is 
great to see a room full of veterans, caregivers, and advocates 
who are part of this conversation. We appreciate the work that 
you all do to help us figure out the right way forward.
    Dr. Richardson, can I ask you a question? You know, we are 
so appreciative of what caregivers, family members, friends, 
and countless others who take care of our veterans do day in 
and day out. Unfortunately, some face a situation where a 
veteran passes away and we need to ensure that there is 
communication with the individual so that they can get the help 
they need through VA's Office of Survivor Assistance.
    We have heard from caregivers who are unaware of these 
resources and are often scrambling to access the information 
that they deserve. I am wondering if there are any warm 
handoffs to caregivers in this situation and what greater 
coordination can you provide with Veterans Benefits 
Administration (VBA) to make sure these individuals get the 
resources and help they need?
    Dr. Richardson. Sure. Thank you for the question. You are 
correct. The caregiver to survivor journey is in and of itself 
a challenging journey and we want to make sure that we have 
those resources and make it as smooth as possible for our 
caregivers who are transitioning to that role.
    There is a survivor and memorialship program that has been 
set up under Care Management and Social Work this past year.
    We have a very close partnership with that organization or 
within that program office, excuse me, and will plan to 
continue to work with them. I think we could do a better job on 
that collaboration piece as well.
    Mr. Pappas. Well, we know that caregivers often sacrifice 
financially and on average this is quantified to be $8,500 in 
out-of-pocket costs that caregivers incur every year and $4,500 
in earnings that they forego. Certainly supporting survivors as 
caregivers make that transition is incredibly important.
    What other financial help is provided to caregivers? Any 
resources or supports that exist to make sure that they are 
able to make ends meet?
    Dr. Richardson. One of the things that we offer in PCAFC is 
financial and legal services for our caregivers enrolled in the 
program. They have opportunities to take advantage of how to do 
living wills, living trusts, budget planning, those kinds of 
things so that they can prepare for those potential things that 
may happen in the near future.
    Mr. Pappas. I noticed a number of folks that are not 
participating in support services. I think on average it was 40 
percent to 60 percent depending on the age group of the 
caregiver.
    You talked a lot about the respite care and how utilization 
has increased since you have gotten the word out, but it 
appears that that was an issue where it was not a lack of 
demand, that you have to work on the supply side of things to 
make sure that people could get access to those services in a 
more efficient fashion.
    Are there other categories of support services that you are 
going to look to expand or increase or just ensure that folks 
know about them? I guess, what is the reason why so many are 
not taking advantage of these services?
    Dr. Richardson. Sure. Thank you for the question. There are 
several things that we are going to expand. I think one of the 
things that is important that we are going to expand this year 
is peer support mentoring. We know veterans appreciate the 
opportunity to meet with fellow veterans who have been there, 
done that, understand what they have gone through.
    It is the camaraderie. It is that automatic connection, and 
we know that happens in the caregiving community as well. We 
have committed to having one peer support mentor for the 
Caregiver Program across the country in every VA medical 
facility. That is one piece of it.
    The other thing that we have done is we hear various things 
from caregivers. While they love that opportunity to connect 
they cannot always come in person so we have those virtual 
offerings.
    We have Coaching into Care health, health and well-being 
coaches that really focuses on the individual caregiver and not 
what is the matter with them but what is it that matters to 
them.
    There is just a lot of variety of services that we offer 
both virtually and in-person for our caregivers, and I think we 
need to continue to do a good job with that as we go forward.
    Mr. Pappas. You mentioned a new initiative around CPR 
training for caregivers. How is that going and how is VA 
getting the word out to individuals about this new service?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir, thank you. It has gone 
exceptionally well. We have heard overwhelmingly, because we 
survey our caregivers after the fact, and it has been very, 
very well-received across the country.
    Today, we are at 70 medical facilities. Some of our 
caregivers can get actual BLS certification and CPR 
certificate, or excuse me, not BLS but CPR certification.
    As we go forward we want to have this at every VA medical 
facility across the country. I hope that we can do that this 
year.
    In addition, like I said, we are doing that CPR plus, so 
helping them with diabetic emergencies, falls, spinal cord 
injuries. We have also put together mobility transfer videos 
for them to watch and observe and learn from that as well.
    Mr. Pappas. Do you know how many individuals have gone 
through the program, have taken the training?
    Dr. Richardson. Probably several thousand, sir, 7,000 to 
10,000 I would guess. Quite a few.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Pappas. I yield back.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Dr. Murphy, you are now recognized.
    Mr. Murphy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Thank you guys for coming today. I really deeply appreciate 
the attention that we pay for our caregivers.
    I just still see a lot of patients and oftentimes it is up 
to the wife or truly the oldest daughter that comes in and 
cares for their father or their mother, whoever the veteran is, 
and the sacrifice that they go through.
    I just want to follow up on one other thing about the 
semaglutides. You know, it is not only the VA's budget that is 
getting busted. It is Medicare's budget. It is private 
insurance companies' budget.
    I think actually we need to have a American conversation as 
to dialing back this. This should not be, hey, if I want to 
lose some weight I get a drug. It should be really much more of 
a metabolic discussion.
    It is going to be germane really to the entire country, not 
just to the VA, but it needs to be done, I think, in a much 
more academic and research manner, not only for the sake of 
saving costs but some of the deleterious effects that we talked 
about.
    There are some good effects, decrease in kidney disease and 
some of the other things, but I think it needs to be a national 
discussion. Hopefully it comes down to the VA and hopefully we 
stop spending the billions of dollars on this drug that has 
become now, kind of, more of a cliche that you see folks on.
    I will say this. Ms. Duke, is there anything that you guys 
have now had to deal with as far as more costs with the PACT 
Act with any of these instances that you are having to deal 
with?
    Ms. Duke. So, PACT----
    Mr. Murphy. As far as, I am sorry. As far as I am 
understanding that is really one of the major drivers for this 
huge deficit.
    Ms. Duke. Correct. The PACT Act both expanded eligibility 
so veterans who previously we did not have contact with could 
come in for care. We have seen not just that we have new 
enrollees, but those who are already enrolled are now more 
likely to take advantage of the services because of the 
outreach that we have provided.
    That is what is driving that need for more care, both in 
the community and in the direct care system, which led us to 
revisit our budget estimates for the 2025 budget.
    Mr. Murphy. Yes. I mean, that is a good thing. Again, I 
think all of us on this committee are very concerned about the 
efficiency and the management of dollars within the VA system.
    You know, as I have said in this committee before, we spend 
5:1 compared to the British healthcare system on our veterans. 
Not that that is wrong, but it is inefficient. We are not doing 
something right or not doing something that I think the private 
world would ever stand for.
    Dr. Richardson, just getting back, because I know I want 
to--there are a couple of statistics here really that were 
bothersome.
    Only, I guess, half of the folks who are caregivers 
participated in programs offered by the VA. What is being done 
as far as education to making sure that these folks take 
advantage of the programs that are out there for them?
    Dr. Richardson. Sure. Thank you for that question, sir. As 
I have mentioned earlier out, we have hired an Outreach 
Specialist within the program. We have partnered with our local 
VA medical facilities and we try to attend as many national 
outreach events as possible.
    Veterans in the veteran community, when you know somebody 
you know somebody who knows something.
    Mr. Murphy. Yes.
    Dr. Richardson. If we can get the word out to just a few 
people we know it will spread quickly. We have seen that, sir, 
in the last month alone. I August we had 9,600 applications 
come in our door, which is the largest volume of applications 
we have seen all Fiscal Year for PCAFC.
    I have to make some assumptions that I hope that this 
outreach is working the way it is intended to.
    Mr. Murphy. Yes. You cannot make people sort of yourself 
and you can educate them that things are available.
    One other thing I did want to follow up with, this 
committee and all of us are very, very concerned about suicide 
amongst our veterans themselves. I personally think we can do a 
hell of a lot more at the VA. We are not doing the job that we 
should.
    Then this translates also to caregivers because there is so 
much depression, there is so much isolation, there is so much 
sacrifice that goes into that. Can you speak a little bit about 
what you guys are doing for the caregivers themselves because, 
you know, it is a common thing amongst people of my maturity 
that we are becoming parents to our parents.
    This is not just germane to the VA but it is also other 
folks and it is a life-changing event and transition. Not only 
we mourn the loss of a parent but we also mourn the loss of our 
life. Can you speak to that a little bit with suicidal 
ideations and some of the other things because I know it is 
much higher in caregivers?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir, absolutely. Thank you for that 
question. As I mentioned earlier, we have the virtual 
psychotherapy programs that are available to our caregivers now 
across the country. It is a simple referral from the Caregiver 
Support Team at the local medical facility to get them into 
that appointment.
    Typically we are getting them in and getting phone calls 
out within 5 days. I think that is one aspect, right? Not 
everybody wants traditional mental health therapy. A lot of 
people want nontraditional.
    A lot of veterans want nontraditional mental health therapy 
and so that is the peer support mentoring where that comes in, 
their ability to connect with somebody who is there, who has 
been there in that caregiving journey.
    I think we could do a better job of that. That is why we 
are going to put peer support across the entire country.
    The other thing is what we offer at the local medical 
facilities, nontraditional, chair, excuse me, yoga, mindfulness 
groups.
    We have the Coaching Into Care, the coaching health and 
well-being coaches that really focuses on what matters to our 
caregivers because their caregiving needs are different than 
what the needs are of their veterans that they are caring for. 
We have to address them individually based on what they need.
    Mr. Murphy. Yes. This is a real problem. I just see just on 
a regular basis just the absolute burden that these folks have, 
so thank you for your attention.
    Mr. Chairman, I will yield back.
    The Chairman. Mr. Landsman.
    Mr. Landsman. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Thank you to all of our veterans and caregivers and 
advocates. It really is wonderful to see this room full. We 
know how much you do and care and we are grateful for 
everything that you do.
    I want to talk a little bit about the evaluation and data 
collection and some of the concerns I think we collectively 
share. This committee has heard me preach about continuous 
improvement, and I am from Cincinnati.
    We have one of the best children's hospitals in the 
country, and it is a story I like to tell because I am proud 
Cincinnatian, but it is also instructive in terms of how to 
approach almost anything.
    They became the best or top two, three children's hospitals 
in the country by becoming the best at getting better. They 
just developed a culture of continuous improvement. Everything 
got collected, all of the data whether it was about a procedure 
or an experience from a parent or a child. It was constant, 
constant, constant.
    It is to this day they measure everything and they test and 
they take chances and they are not afraid to fail. As a result, 
you get the best care in the country.
    There is, you know, an evaluation component to everything 
we do. An evaluation only tells us what happened and not what 
is happening. It does not really tell us what to do moving 
forward the way data collection and continuous improvement 
does.
    Here is what is bothering me. You have got 2 years of 
learning, but we do not really have any exposure to that 
learning. The evaluation was too restrictive and now it is 
going through this rulemaking process. Do not have any real 
sense as to how long that is going to take.
    You do not need a rule change to collect data, correct? You 
do not need a rule change to survey your caregivers and 
veterans to find out what is working and what is not working, 
correct?
    Dr. Richardson. Correct.
    Mr. Landsman. You would not need a rule change to use that 
data to then get better immediately at what you are, you know, 
providing for veterans and caretakers, correct?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Landsman. Then tell me a little bit about the 2 years 
and why we do not know what you know in terms of everything 
that was learned and what is being asked as part of the 
rulemaking process A, B. What is the role of continuous 
improvement, if any, as it relates to this work?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes. Yes, sir, good question. Thank you. I 
think two separate things as I am thinking about this. One is 
looking at the specific eligibility criteria that rule is and 
definitions that we have used to allow caregivers to apply and/
or get accepted or denied into the Program of Comprehensive 
Assistance.
    In regards to what you are talking about quality assurance 
and quality improvement, overall well-being, how the caregivers 
see our program, and how we support them is to me different.
    What we have done to address that, we have a VSignal survey 
that has gone out.
    It has been 2 years in September since we have sent it out. 
We have seen nice improvements.
    It is for folks enrolled in PCAFC and PGCSS. We have a 97 
and 98 percent approval rate across the country with those 
numbers so seeing good scores there.
    Does that mean that we are perfect? Absolutely not. It just 
means that we are taking the opportunity to get feedback on the 
care and respect. Do we help them with the support services 
that they need? That is important to look at.
    The other thing that we have looked at are the processes in 
and of themselves, so I brought in a QM team, a Quality 
Management, Quality Assurance Team. It is run by an Registered 
Nurse (RN).
    She oversees the process across the entire country.
    We are reviewing charts, records, ensuring that it is 
standard and consistent. One VA is one VA but it should not be 
one VA is one VA. It should be that your experience at every VA 
may be a little bit different but it is standardized and 
consistent no matter where you go.
    They should have the same experience no matter which VA 
they go to. That is something that we have also looked at, very 
separate and different than the eligibility piece itself.
    Mr. Landsman. With my remaining time I just, it would be 
very helpful, I think, appreciating all the questions that we 
have to get the data that you have.
    Dr. Richardson. Of course.
    Mr. Landsman. Everything that you have learned that should 
be made public. I mean, you know, I understand a lot of that 
has to do with eligibility, but there is still learning in 
there that would benefit us as policymakers.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Landsman. Okay, thank you. I yield back.
    The Chairman. Representative Van Orden.
    Mr. Van Orden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Dr. Richardson, I have got to say that you have been 
shockingly competent and transparent. This does not often 
happen in our committee hearings with the Veterans Affairs 
Administration, so I really appreciate it.
    I am the longest serving enlisted member of the military to 
ever be elected to Congress in the history of this country. I 
get all of my healthcare through the VA or community care. I am 
a 100 percent service-connected disabled veteran.
    I love the VA. I love my folks in La Crosse and Tomah. I 
get these cool glasses there and everyone that checks me in to, 
you know, cleaning the place to my primary care, they are 
awesome.
    Why do not I know about this program? Do you know what I 
mean? Is there, like, a flyer at a cork board that I am missing 
when I go there to get my physical?
    Dr. Richardson. You should absolutely know about this 
program, sir. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. Okay. Do me a favor. Let us walk the dog on 
this. You got a veteran that is eligible for this care, right, 
safe environment, has got a home and all that stuff and they do 
not have, you know, debilitating psychological issues or going 
to be violent.
    Then so we have that and then we got somebody that wants to 
provide care for this person and we have got someone that wants 
to provide care for the caregiver, correct?
    How do you figure that out? Like, how do you figure out who 
the caregiver is, like, who is eligible for it and then how do 
you figure out who is eligible to provide care for the 
caregiver?
    Dr. Richardson. Absolutely, sir, great question. Oftentimes 
our caregivers do not recognize that that is exactly what they 
are doing.
    Mr. Van Orden. Really. Right.
    Dr. Richardson. I have taken care of my husband now for 15, 
17 years and did not realize that I was a caregiver until I 
became the Executive Director of this program.
    Mr. Van Orden. All right. That is an issue that we can 
actually work on, cannot we? How is the compensation level for 
these caregivers and the caregivers and the caregivers 
determined?
    Dr. Richardson. Depending on the program, so the Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers is set in 
regulation to pay our caregivers enrolled in that program at a 
GS-4 pay scale----
    Mr. Van Orden. That is GS-4, correct?
    Dr. Richardson [continuing]. and based on locality. Yes, 
sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. Okay. Can we recently just say if we are 
spending 5 bucks, this is an arbitrary number, and I must admit 
I cannot really do math, so we are going to say if we 
arbitrarily spend $5 providing care that we are really saving 
50 bucks at the end because having a veteran having to go into 
inpatient care or to a veterans home or whatever is 
exponentially more expensive than having him stay at their 
home. There is significantly less dignity. As Mr. Rosendale 
noted, 88 percent of folks want to do this, right?
    Here is my question. You have got compensation up to $3,500 
for PCAFC, right?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. All right. That is $42,000 a year. The 
median income in the State of Wisconsin is $33,179. That is a 
solid job. Could we potentially look at saying, hey, let us 
look at the median income per State, and I know it is going to 
vary, I get it.
    Then tie the compensation for these caregivers and the 
caregivers of the caregiver to the median income of the State 
that they live in so that they feel like, one, they are valued 
because they are, and two, they do not have to do this, you 
know, taking the hit and all that stuff.
    Again, we spend $5 up front we save $50 later. I just to 
me, I mean, that is the advantage of being enlisted. I mean, 
this just popped right out to me immediately.
    One, we have got to advertise. I got to know that this is 
available because, believe it or not, even though I am a 
roguishly handsome young man I am getting older.
    You know, these programs, my wife takes care of me right 
now. You know, she is a nurse and she stays at home. I want my 
wife to know about this. I wanted you to know about it. Take 
care of your husband. God bless you for that and thanks for 
your service in Fallujah, ma'am. Taking care of the Marines, 
Semper Fi.
    Dr. Richardson. Semper Fi.
    Mr. Van Orden. I want people to know about this so they use 
it, and I want my fiscal hawk buddies to understand that by 
spending 5 bucks up front we are saving 50 bucks on the back 
side.
    If you can, I would love for you to come to La Crosse, 
Wisconsin and I would love--I will host you there. I will give 
you cheese curds. I will do the everything. I am serious.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. Let us do a clinic----
    Dr. Richardson. Okay.
    Mr. Van Orden.--with signs saying, hey, if you are taking 
care of somebody you should be compensated so they feel 
comfortable doing it.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. I will do that with you. That is a real 
offer, okay?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Van Orden. I hope you take me up on it. God bless you 
for your work and you, too, ma'am. Ms. Duke is so happy right 
now. She is, like, yes. You have seen some of my hearings 
before. She is, like, yes. He did not talk to me.
    Okay. Well, all right.
    Sir, with that I yield back.
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you.
    The Chairman. It was so entertaining though.
    Representative Budzinski, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Budzinski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member.
    I want to thank the panelists for being here today and I 
too just want to say thank you to the veterans that are here 
and their caregivers that took time out of their schedules to 
be here for this hearing and the Elizabeth Dole Foundation for 
also being here. It is great to have you.
    I wanted to ask Dr. Richardson a few questions specific to 
the RAND report as it relates to rural access. I know Chairman 
Bost talked about that. He and I are actually from similar 
parts of the world and also behavioral health.
    Dr. Richardson, one of the findings in the RAND report 
highlights that rural veteran caregivers face significant 
challenges in accessing certain services due to the lack of 
broadband in their areas.
    In fact, the report notes that about a quarter of 
caregivers in rural areas did not have reliable broadband 
Internet access in their home. What specific steps is the VA 
taking to expand telehealth and in-person support services for 
rural caregivers, particularly for those who may lack that 
reliable access to Internet?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, thank you for the question. 
They have something available to them called the Digital 
Divide. It is a consult in which we can provide those services, 
that device to them.
    Unfortunately, not as many people take advantage of that. I 
think that is something that we need to communicate better and 
get out to them so that they know that it is available to them.
    We also find that because of post-COVID that we still do 
not have a lot of in-person offerings. That is something that 
we are pushing this year, that everybody will have in-person 
services available to them at their local VA medical facility.
    I think the other thing that you run into with rural areas 
is it is a commute sometimes. They have a long commute 
sometimes to get in-person services.
    If we can get them connected to that Digital Divide, we can 
get them connected with those services because Caregiver 
Support Program offers both virtual and in-person and so it can 
be any service that they need.
    It could be 24, you know, we have programs that are 
available to them at whatever time works best for them because 
caregiving is not 8 to 4:30.
    Ms. Budzinski. Right.
    Dr. Richardson. We just need to do a better job from that 
digital divide perspective, I think, to get that information 
available to them and let them know what is available locally 
and when and make sure that we are meeting their schedules as 
it comes available to them.
    Ms. Budzinski. That, kind of, leads into my next question 
and a little bit of what Congressman Van Orden was talking 
about is this awareness----
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Budzinski [continuing]. of this program and in rural 
communities in particular they really struggle with getting 
access to that information to be aware of these support 
services. Is the VA looking at anything, you know, uniquely to 
help, kind of, bring more awareness into rural communities of 
the support systems you are providing?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. That is a great question. I 
think we have partnered with all the local medical facilities. 
In every month of November is National Family Caregivers Month 
and we require as part of a best practice or what we call the 
One Plan, is that everybody offers something in-person.
    I always think there are opportunities to communicate 
better. I mean, I have been with VA, get my healthcare at VA 
now for 14 last years and I am still learning so many things 
that VA has to offer.
    I think it is just continued communication. We have VA.gov 
delivery. We have, I think, over a couple hundred thousand 
people that subscribe to our gov delivery. We continue to send 
out those emails.
    Sometimes that works for our younger caregivers. It does 
not always work for older caregivers.
    Ms. Budzinski. Right.
    Dr. Richardson. We have to think about the various needs 
that they have across the country, too.
    Ms. Budzinski. Okay, thank you.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Budzinski. I have another question and this is more on 
behavioral health. The RAND report indicated high rates of 
stress and burnout among veteran caregivers with many 
experiencing anxiety and depression.
    Could you speak to what specific mental health support 
programs is the VA implementing to address the unique needs of 
veteran caregivers?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am. As I mentioned earlier, we have 
a virtual psychotherapy program available to our caregivers 
that are enrolled in PCAFC at all 18 VISNs across the country.
    As a clinical psychologist for almost 20 years now and 
having spent time with the Marines that, you know, you have to 
think very differently about how we do care. I think one of the 
things that we have realized is this does not exist anywhere 
else in the country to my awareness, that we specialize in 
mental health treatment for caregivers.
    We are looking at a few different things. We are looking at 
how to improve their quality of life. We are looking at how to 
lower rates of depression and anxiety.
    We just trained our providers last week in ACT for 
depression so we are trying to do evidence-based psychotherapy, 
train those 54 providers that we hired across the country to 
provide those services to ensure that they are meeting the 
needs of what we are seeing across the country, one.
    Two, the other thing is we have to measure it. I need to 
know where they started baseline and where they are going to be 
when we are done with that psychotherapy because I think mental 
health is a continuous journey. You do not have it 1 day and 
not have it the next and 3 years later you are fine. It, kind 
of, varies across that continuum.
    We want to make sure that we are looking start to finish is 
what we are doing effective and does it work?
    Ms. Budzinski. Great, thank you. Just in real quick in 
closing, I just wanted to mention an important piece of 
legislation that is relevant here that I introduced this 
morning alongside Congresswoman Brownley, the Improving 
Veterans' Experience Act.
    It is a simple yet important bill that would codify the 
veterans experience office at the VA which supports and enables 
VA to gather feedback directly from veterans, their families, 
and caregivers on how to enhance VA services.
    We were excited to do that this morning. Great to have you 
here.
    I yield back.
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you, ma'am.
    The Chairman. Representative Self, you are recognized for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Self. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Dr. Richardson, you have pointed something out that I think 
is across the VA. Many of the veterans simply do not know the 
myriad of programs that are available to them. The education I 
think in the VA has got to improve in every area.
    Ms. Duke, I have got in front of me the, let us turn to the 
$12 billion. I have in front of me the $1.7 billion, about 14 
percent of your $12 billion, are in something called non-pay. 
Okay?
    I have got that break out in front of me. It is an 
interesting category. Of the $1.7 billion you have got almost 
$2 billion are in other contractual services and almost a 
billion dollars in other supplies and materials and equipment 
go down.
    We have mentioned the PACT Act, so this is kind of curious 
to me because how does the equipment, let us just start there, 
how does the equipment go down where we know more veterans are 
coming because of the PACT Act?
    Ms. Duke. Thank you for the question, sir. I would say that 
this is, first of all, this is a representative calculation for 
the purposes of generating our estimate. We, as always, leave 
our field directors in charge if they need to make an equipment 
purchase and let a contract lapse. They have that capacity to 
make those decisions in the medical center based on the----
    Mr. Self. Okay. That is the decisions, but how in the world 
does VA writ large, you, say that you are going to buy less 
equipment? Let us leave that one and go to the other 
contractual services, $2 billion dollars increase?
    Now, by the way, you said that about 16 percent is going to 
be through community care. Did I hear that correct?
    Ms. Duke. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Self. I thought that was low because I thought I had 
seen a figure far larger than that, but we will take your 
growth there in community services. What are these other 
contractual services? I will get to my point after this.
    Ms. Duke. There is a variety. This could include clinical 
services where we are using contract staff to supplement 
Federal employees. This could be bringing in folks to assist 
with the work that needs to be done in the medical center.
    It really is, kind of, a catch-all. We can get you some 
more breakout if that is helpful?
    Mr. Self. Yes. I would love to see it because I think this 
could be a slush fund, let us just be honest, non-pay 14 
percent of your $12 billion. I want to know what you are 
spending that on because other contractual services does not 
give me much clarity.
    The rest of the categories here, transportation, rent and 
utilities, other supplies and materials, equipment, grants, 
insurance, those are things that I can get ahold of. Other 
contractual services sound to me like you are contracting 
things out and I want to know what those are.
    Let us go to your prosthetics. Almost half a billion 
dollars is in the prosthetics area. Now, before we even go 
there you have already hired 5,000 new employees. No, you have 
hired 17,000 employees off the top of my head, 17,000. You have 
not told us what those 17,000 employees are.
    You have told us about the 5,000 that you are going to 
hire. When are you going to tell us about the 17,000 that you 
have already hired?
    Ms. Duke. We can get you information regarding the breakout 
of our Full-Time Equivalent (FTE) onboard.
    Mr. Self. Seventeen thousand that you have already hired 
that we do not know what they, who they are and what they are 
doing, I think, is 17,000 employees is a lot of employees that 
we do not know about as the committee.
    Now, let us go to the almost half a billion dollars in 
prosthetics. First of all, you are utilizing emerging 
technologies and you may have to send these to me, okay, 
because I am about out of time.
    I want to know about the emerging technologies that are 
costing so much more. I want to know the growth in veterans 
because as we wind down, why are more veterans accessing 
prosthetics?
    Where do you get your general inflation number? Then you 
mentioned, I think in your testimony, ongoing procurement 
challenges. That is something we might be able to help you 
with. I want to know what your procurement challenges are 
specifically.
    If you will take those four questions, the emerging 
technologies, the number of veterans, where do you get your 
inflation numbers, and the procurement challenges. We will send 
this to you as (inaudible 1:27:38).
    Thank you so much.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    The Chairman. Representative Cherfilus-McCormick, you are 
recognized for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Cherfilus-McCormick. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Thank you so much to our caregivers for being here and all 
the hard work that you do. I am actually very happy to be 
having this hearing today where we can spotlight our 
caregivers.
    Sometimes I feel like our caregivers are the strength 
behind our veterans who have served and we do not do enough to 
actually make sure that our caregivers are taken care of.
    My father-in-law he passed in 2018 and it was a tough 
moment for us to take turns trying to figure out how to serve 
him from my other sister-in-law and my brothers. We all tried 
to fill that gap, so I cannot imagine being a sole provider or 
having to bear it every single day. I thank you so much for 
being here.
    I also want to start off by asking one first question about 
the caregiver stipends. Do they earn Social Security credits, 
Dr. Richardson?
    Dr. Richardson. Good morning, ma'am. No they do not.
    Ms. Cherfilus-McCormick. Then I also wanted to highlight 
two of our guests who are sitting in the audience. I want to 
use this time to share two stories of caregivers. Sitting in 
the audience today Stacey Hawley and Ashley Lee. I commend them 
for both of their tireless advocacy and for their being here 
today.
    Stacey is an Elizabeth Dole Foundation fellow, legal 
professional, caregiver, and mother to Army Sergeant Nathaniel 
Heath-Price. I do not know how you do all of that. Nathaniel is 
a member of the 82d Airborne Division who was deployed to 
Afghanistan.
    After a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) left Heath-Price 
wheelchair-bound, Stacey had to balance her full-time job as a 
paralegal with the onerous demands of being a caregiver to her 
son. Like so many caregivers, Stacey experienced heavy 
financial strain.
    She exhausted her retirement savings and even began to sell 
her own blood just to make ends meet. In the face of all these 
obstacles, Stacey was never deterred. Rather, she continued to 
persevere utilizing support services like the VA respite care 
program, as well as the VSOs like the Semper Fi Fund and the 
Wounded Warrior Project.
    Thanks to the Elizabeth Dole Foundation, Stacey was 
informed of the Pillars of Strength Scholarship which covers 
full tuition and fees for caregivers to injured veterans. She 
was accepted and now can complete her Bachelor's degree, a 
long-time dream of hers.
    Next, I would like to look at and talk about Ashley Lee, 
who was raised by her single father, Darrell, a Vietnam veteran 
living with Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). Ashley became 
the sole care provider for her father after losing her husband 
in a tragic motorcycle accident.
    Ashley ended up having to quit her job to care for her 
father around the clock. Sadly, his condition continued to 
deteriorate eventually requiring him to be placed on a 
ventilator. Due to the frequency in which Ashley's father was 
admitted to the hospital, she relied on housing provided by a 
nonprofit organization to be close to her father, often for 3 
months at a time.
    Despite these immense challenges, Ashley has not wavered. 
She continued to pursue her Ph.D. in psychology with an 
emphasis on research for our veterans with spinal cord 
injuries. Ashley hopes to 1 day work for the VA healthcare 
systems and Stacey and Ashley represent the best of us.
    I cannot thank them enough for being here today and for 
sharing their deeply personal and likely traumatic stories with 
lawmakers like myself. Thank you so much for your service and 
the other members also.
    We must never forget the immense contribution caregivers 
like Stacey and Ashley make to our communities across the 
country.
    Dr. Richardson, I have one more question for you in the 
small amount of time I have left.
    The Programs of Comprehensive Assistance for Family 
Caregivers is a vital lifeline to so many caregivers across the 
country. The program provides eligible caregivers with a 
monthly stipend to help make up for lost wages, as well as 
respite care.
    When caregivers need a much-deserved break, even the 
important role this program plays for so many families, I am 
concerned that the VA is continuing to drag its feet on 
publishing new regulations to refine the eligibility criteria 
for program participants.
    Since pausing this discharge of legacy participants under 
the current criteria in 2022, VA has yet to propose new 
regulations leaving many families in limbo.
    Dr. Richardson, why did the VA feel it was necessary to 
update the eligibility criteria back in 2020?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, thank you. When the program, 
when the MISSION Act of 2018 expanded the Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance to veterans of all service eras, at 
that time, the program, VHA took a step back to look at the 
program as a whole. That is how those October 1, 2020 
regulations came to be.
    Today, we realize that we can do better. VA has taken a 
step back these last 2 years and looked and relooked at the 
eligibility criteria and have submitted a proposed rule to the 
Office of Management and Budget this year.
    Ms. Cherfilus-McCormick. Since my time is running out, if 
you could provide this answer later on, how can the committee 
work with VA to ensure that these regulations are expedited and 
that the veterans and their caregivers are aware of the new 
eligibility criteria for the PCAFC.
    Thank you and I yield back.
    The Chairman. Representative Ciscomani, you are recognized 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Ciscomani. Thank you, Chairman.
    Thank you all for coming to testify today. I appreciate 
that supporting caregivers and ensuring VA programs function 
efficiently is something I am proud to have a role here in 
Congress. I have introduced and co-led legislation with the 
comprehensive purpose. Also, for example, the Care Act, and as 
well as the Veterans Caregiver Reeducation, Reemployment, and 
Retirement Act, which all aim to enhance the caregiver 
experience while bolstering programs already in place.
    Now, this has been talked about a bit during this hearing. 
I want to do a little more emphasis on the rural side of 
things.
    Dr. Richardson, caregivers have shared that even when they 
are approved for respite care, which gives caregivers, 
obviously, the opportunity to take a break from caregiving 
responsibilities, VA has been unable to provide basic care 
services in their place. That has been mentioned here already.
    This is especially concerning for the rural parts of my 
district. What is the VA doing to address the significant issue 
and ensure eligible caregivers can actually receive the 
services they are entitled to and veterans that they care they 
are entitled to as well?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir. Thank you for the question. Two 
things, one, we have hired those respite champions across the 
country. They are trained at all 18 VISNs. They now have 
expertise in respite sources, respite funding.
    Because respite has been different across the country to 
every VA, we wanted to have experts at every VA medical 
facility that could understand what are the respite resources 
available to them regardless of where they live? That was the 
first thing that we did.
    That has been implemented. That is now in place. We should 
have respite SMEs, subject matter experts, at every VA medical 
facility across the country.
    The second thing that we are doing is piloting this VDC 
pilot and so we have 11 sites onboard. Several of them are in 
rural areas from Chillicothe to Anchorage, Alaska, Togus, 
Maine. I think we have six of those sites in rural areas so 
that we can really focus on offering respite to those veterans 
duly enrolled in VDC and PCAFC who have high, acute needs.
    Mr. Ciscomani. I thank you for that. I want to just 
emphasize the importance of it. I am looking forward to seeing 
what the impact is from the approach that you are taking now.
    The anecdotal evidence I hear at home is that they are not 
getting what they need and especially at the rate that they 
need it. I am curious to know also when do you think you can 
expect some, kind of, measurement on how successful the efforts 
are being done?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir, thank you. I hope by the end of 
this year after we pilot these 11 sites. I do not anticipate 
that it will not be successful.
    This is an opportunity for veterans to bring into their 
home who they want to care for them, so I cannot imagine that 
it would not be successful, sir.
    Mr. Ciscomani. Well, I look forward to receiving that 
information or report or whatever it is that you compile to 
show progress in this area. I would appreciate that.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Ciscomani. Dr. Richardson, back to you as well, when 
someone lovingly devotes all their time to a spouse or a family 
member in need of long-term care, we just heard from my 
colleague an example of that, they likely do not have the time 
to work and earn an income themselves.
    Being out of the workforce for long periods of time can 
heavily impact someone's ability to get back into the 
workforce. Does the program for, the one you just mentioned, 
the Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers, 
include any kind of support for reintegrating these individuals 
back into the workforce?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you for the question, sir. Today no 
it does not.
    Mr. Ciscomani. We need to do something about that. You 
know, would including programs like this to assist with 
workforce reintegration be possible within the program or would 
a new program be necessary for that?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you for the question. I think it is a 
matter of partnerships across VHA depending on--we know 
caregivers have very unique skills that most people do not have 
because of what they have done for their particular veteran. 
They have a lot of skilled skills, if you will, from bowel, you 
know, Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter (PICC) lines, 
bowel and bladder, those kinds of things.
    I think it could be a matter of seeing what we can do to 
integrate their skills into something meaningful just as we do 
with, you know, men and women who discharge from the military 
that have a particular background in medicine or a particular 
background in, you know, corpsmen, medics, et cetera. I think 
there is an opportunity there to do something great with that.
    Mr. Ciscomani. Well, I do not want to put words in your 
mouth, but I am sensing that you think it is a good idea. It is 
a good opportunity. We have these caregivers that took care of 
veterans that they developed these skills that could be very 
valuable into the workforce as well.
    I think we have an opportunity here that we can work 
together on to either, again, find out and if you could report 
back to me on this as well and the committee, if it is more 
possible to add this program to existing programs or we need to 
venture out into something else?
    I am very interested in that. The more people that are out 
in the workforce the better it is for everyone. Getting a 
paycheck is not only good for the family and the economy but 
for the soul as well once they are back in there. We need to 
make sure that we support them in that after, especially what 
they have gone through with the support they provided.
    If I could partner with you on that and have your 
commitment to get something to us back here shortly, I would 
appreciate that.
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Ciscomani. Thank you.
    With that, Chairman, I yield back.
    The Chairman. Mr. McGarvey, you are recognized for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Dr. Richardson, I want to thank you and your team for 
serving the more than 80,000 veteran caregivers participating 
in your programs. While many of the resources for caregivers 
are designed to be helpful, caregivers do find some of these 
services difficult to navigate, coordinate, and, ultimately, 
find them inaccessible.
    In RAND's recently published caregivers report they found 
that military and veteran caregivers who are caring for 
veterans younger than 60 are at higher risk for depression.
    They are also less likely to seek care than their non-
caregivers. Nearly half of caregivers report that they have no 
backup care and no one to turn to if they need support.
    Even with the respite champions initiative and empowering 
programs like Veteran-Directed Care, utilization of needed in-
home support services remains low. The VA can do better if it 
embraces customer experience and innovation.
    Take, for example, the Office of Geriatrics and Extended 
Care at VHA's innovation team who are running the tech-enabled 
respite home care pilot that empowers aging veterans and 
caregivers to choose their own, they get to choose their own 
trained home care professionals, even their neighbor through a 
technology-enabled co-employer model.
    The caregiver could take a break and they can choose 
someone they know who has their back. Preliminary findings are 
promising.
    60 percent of veterans participating in the pilot selected 
people from their existing communities to be employed, trained, 
bonded, and insured by the co-employer to provide home care 
support at a wage that was 50 percent higher than those offered 
by traditional home care agencies. Let me repeat that, 50 
percent higher wages.
    Because there was less overhead cost for the employer, the 
cost to the VA was significantly lower than traditional home 
aid and respite services. You have got comfort, you have got 
higher wages, you have got lower cost to the VA.
    I think this pilot demonstrated a significantly improved 
customer experience and increased rates of utilization for 
these services, all with an overall lower price tag to the VA. 
Better experience, lower price, higher wages.
    Dr. Richardson, what plan does the VA have to roll out the 
tech-enabled respite home care pilot to other pilot sites or to 
scale-up VA-wide?
    Dr. Richardson. Thank you for the question. I am happy to 
take that back to our GEC partners. I certainly do not want to 
step on their toes and commit them to something I am unsure of.
    What I can say is it is an excellent program. We agree, 
which is why we are piloting our VDC respite pilot for those 
dually enrolled in VDC and PCAFC.
    I think you are right. I think veterans want people they 
know and care about to come into their home to take care of 
them. We want to be able to do that for them as well.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you for that. Whatever you find out, 
you know, let us know----
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, sir.
    Mr. McGarvey [continuing]. because it is I think with this 
committee you see there is a lot of bipartisanship here because 
what we are doing is coming together and trying to find the 
best way to take care of the men and women who were willing to 
put on a uniform and sacrifice everything for us.
    If we have got something like this, again, higher wages, 
lower costs, better customer experience, we want to see that 
for our veterans.
    Another question is how will your team prioritize patient 
experience and innovation moving forward? How are you guys 
collecting feedback on some of the patient experiences?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, thank you for the question. Several 
ways, and we have been doing this since I came onboard 3 and a 
half years ago.
    First thing is as a leader you think you know what you know 
but you really do not until you get down into the work of who 
actually does the real work around here. That is our staff at 
the local medical facilities and that is the caregiver who are 
on the receiving end of these services.
    I do listening sessions across the country every single 
month with literally everybody, from my teams at every VA 
medical facility, either virtual or in-person, and with 
caregivers across the country when I go to those sites.
    We have to look at that information, one. Two, we do a 
VSignal survey. It is 2 years this September that we rolled 
that out across the country.
    What we do is we have these opportunities for customer, I 
forget what we call it, but basically if we see something that 
was not favorable, they did not have a good experience, we pick 
up the phone and we call that caregiver and say what can we do 
better to earn your trust? What can we do better to improve 
your experience in our program?
    Mr. McGarvey. That is wonderful. Thank you so much, Dr. 
Richardson.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    The Chairman. Representative Kiggans, you are recognized.
    Ms. Kiggans. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Dr. Richardson, prior to serving in Congress I was a 
geriatric nurse practitioner and I am always looking for 
opportunities to support just other people who want to take 
care of and serve our veterans and our greatest generation.
    How is the medical personnel shortage affecting caregiver 
training and support programs? Are there any plans for 
expanding something like scholarship programs or financial 
incentives or training for people like Certified Nursing 
Assistant (CNA), Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN), or geriatric-
focused nurses at the VA?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, thank you for the question. 
Caregiver Support is primarily comprised of social workers and 
psychologists. We do have a few physicians that sit in and 
nurse practitioners, occupational therapists, RNs, et cetera at 
the Centralized Eligibility and Appeals Teams at the VISNs that 
render those decisions for the Program of Comprehensive 
Assistance.
    To my knowledge, today through CSP we do not offer those, 
but I know VHA as a whole does offer those incentives and 
scholarships for those. I forget what they are called, ma'am, 
but happy to take that back and get that specific information 
for you.
    Ms. Kiggans. Good, just finding ways to just incentivize 
people to go into that line of work. I think it is a very 
special, just special form of healthcare.
    Then on that same note, I remember in my primary care 
practice, and I represent Virginia's Second District, so large 
veteran population, one of our challenges was just 
communicating to our veteran families what resources were 
available to them.
    I remember even things like the VA would build ramps or 
supply adult diapers or nutrition, you know, and respite care 
in a lot of situations, but even as a veteran, as a healthcare 
provider it was hard for me to know what was available to our 
veteran families.
    We would work with a really great and involved office 
manager a lot of times to liaison with the VA and find out, you 
know, what that specific veteran family was eligible for.
    How can we do a better job at not only communicating with 
the families and caregivers but communicating with providers, 
specifically primary care providers, who touch a lot of that 
patient population as well?
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am, thank you for the question. You 
are right. There are a lot of opportunities. As a veteran 
myself who has been with VA now for almost 18 years, I struggle 
to navigate the system because there are so many things 
available and we do not always know what is out there for us. I 
think there is an opportunity to collaborate with primary care 
to enhance that.
    I think one of the things I truly enjoy about our program 
is we do something called in-house wellness contacts and it is 
our opportunity once a year to go into the veteran and 
caregiver's home to have contact with them.
    I have seen time and time again how our social workers and 
staff have identified needs for veterans that they did not know 
was available to them. To your point, shower chairs, chairs 
that lift them in and out of the seats that they sit in because 
they are unable to get in and out or transfer easily.
    I think, you know, that is something that I have seen 
historically now in the last 3 and a half years, but I always 
think that there is an opportunity to do better on the 
communication piece to let veterans and caregivers know what 
resources are available.
    Ms. Kiggans. Yes. That is a good idea. There is nothing 
like going into someone's home and seeing specifically what 
their needs are and doing----
    Dr. Richardson. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Kiggans [continuing]. a little bit of home health. It 
is a whole different world and I think you can learn a lot more 
by just working with the civilian side of the house, too, 
because a lot of our veterans do still receive civilian primary 
care.
    I mean, we had lots of drug reps come visit and different 
people communicating, you know, what is new on the medicinal 
front, but that maybe incorporating that, too, into visits, 
just visits to primary care practices that are civilian just to 
educate providers.
    I think that would be certainly useful in a district like 
mine with a large veteran population. Let us see. According to 
the Census Bureau, 49 percent of living veterans are 65 and 
older and 25 percent are between the ages of 70 and 79 years 
old.
    What strains are you seeing on the existing caregiver 
support system as these veterans and their families register 
for VA caregiver programs?
    Dr. Richardson. I think we see a couple different things 
that depending on the service era of that particular veteran. I 
think when you start looking at your younger group of veterans 
you start to see a lot of strain because the caregivers are not 
just managing or taking care of a veteran.
    They are raising children. They are trying to work. They 
are trying to manage a household and kids sports and all those 
different types of things.
    I think when you start looking at your potentially pre-1975 
population of veterans, your World War II veterans, your Korean 
veterans, and your Vietnam veterans, you are seeing different 
strains on the family where the caregiver in and of him or 
herself is not always capable of providing those personal care 
needs that that particular veteran needs.
    Now the daughter or the son-in-law or a family friend is 
coming in to step into the picture. Then they know even less 
about VA than maybe a spouse does at that time. Those are the 
challenges that I see in the program today.
    Ms. Kiggans. I would agree with that. We certainly know it 
is a sandwich generation a lot of times taking care of our 
older adults and their younger families. It is a job that is 
thankless, and we need to be finding ways to incentivize our 
caregivers that we use to the best patient outcomes. We had 
especially family that could be very involved.
    It is not possible for every family, but as much as we can 
be helpful in incentivizing that and making their lives easier, 
providing the benefits they are entitled to, we are happy to 
help, I know, from this committee. Thank you for all you do.
    I yield back, Mr. Chair.
    The Chairman. Representative Kennedy, you are recognized 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Kennedy. Thank you, Chairman.
    Dr. Richardson, thank you for your testimony and your 
leadership.
    Ms. Duke, thank you for your testimony and leadership as 
well and for your service to our country and to all the 
veterans that have joined us here today and those watching for 
their service to our country as well.
    I am, too, like my colleague, a healthcare practitioner. I 
am an occupational therapist. I am happy to hear you just 
mention occupational therapy is under your purview. I am the 
son of a nurse, a grandson of a nurse, and the son of a father 
who received lifesaving medical treatment at the VA hospital in 
Buffalo when I was a young boy in the early 1980's.
    Obviously, it is very personal for me and my family as it 
is personal for all families across our country, the work that 
you are doing. That is why it is so important your testimony 
here today and how we can work to get it right.
    I want to go back to what one of my colleagues brought up 
in the $12 billion fund for new hiring. My colleague mentioned 
new hires, and I think, Ms. Duke, this is for you.
    My colleague brought up new hires coming in at 5,000, 
potentially 17,000. But question I have because of the data 
that I have seen is that there is actually a decrease in 
employees across the system since the PACT Act was put in 
place. Is that accurate? Has there been a net increase or 
decrease in employment across the board at the VA?
    Ms. Duke. The short answer is there has been an increase 
when we expected it to be a decrease and that is why we are 
communicating the need for additional resources. We had 
expected coming into 2024, because we have been so successful 
hiring up last year, that we would be able to keep FTE coming 
down and still continue to provide the same quality of care.
    What we have seen from our front lines is that that was not 
feasible. Because we have never had a hiring freeze, we now see 
our staffing going up. The 5,000 is what we are anticipating 
net across the system growing in 2025 which, again, is just to 
enable our field to continue to bring on what is necessary.
    Mr. Kennedy. What I am asking is not forward-looking but to 
this point. Since the PACT Act was passed has there been an 
increase or decrease in employment across the system?
    Ms. Duke. Increase.
    Mr. Kennedy. There has been an increase. Those 5,000 new 
hires you mentioned have already been hired, or 17,000 have 
already been hired?
    Ms. Duke. They have not but we were able to grow in 
response to the emergent needs that we were seeing.
    Mr. Kennedy. The issue is that you cannot pay them with the 
amount of appropriation that has been given to you thus far? 
There is a $12 billion hole. Is that accurate?
    Ms. Duke. $12 billion in 2025.
    Mr. Kennedy. Yes.
    Ms. Duke. That includes resources that we are spending in 
2024 that we did not think we would need to.
    Mr. Kennedy. Right. An increase in need from veterans that, 
thankfully, with the leadership of the community and the 
Congress and the president, has enacted the PACT Act to broaden 
healthcare services for our military heroes.
    The funding is not there so it is unsustainable at this 
point. You need that $12 billion.
    Ms. Duke. That is our estimate as of this time.
    Mr. Kennedy. Well, I would argue that Buffalo, New York, 
that VA hospital that helped saved my father's life 4 years 
ago, is a shining example of the need for more resources.
    Nurses just recently were out on the picket line calling 
for more resources. They are saying that there is what amounts 
to a hiring freeze, even though you just said there is not a 
hiring freeze, because it takes 9 months to onboard an 
individual because the funding is not there.
    I just want to make the point, and maybe you can elaborate 
on it, that, you know, the promise of America to our veterans 
if you don the uniform, is not being kept if the funds are not 
being put in place in order to provide for the care that they 
are depending on.
    Ms. Duke. I would say that the reason we came forward with 
the shortfall was because we did not want to be in a situation 
where we did not have adequate resources to continue to meet 
that promise to our veterans across our system.
    Mr. Kennedy. Well, we have work to do. Thank you.
    The Chairman. The gentleman yields back?
    Well, thank you, Dr. Richardson.
    Thank you, Ms. Duke, for testifying today. I know it was, 
kind of, long but you are excused. We appreciate you being 
here.
    Once again, Dr. Richardson, Semper Fi.
    Then our second panel of witnesses can approach the table 
and take their seats whenever they are available.
    All right. On our second panel we have Dr. Rajeev Ramchand, 
a senior behavioral scientist and coordinator of RAND Epstein 
Family Veterans Research Institute. I got all that out right.
    We also have Mr. Steve Schwab, the Chief Executive Officer 
(CEO) of the Elizabeth Dole Foundation. We have Ms. Vanessa 
Chism, an Elizabeth Dole caregiver fellow, and Mr. Troy 
Broussard, State director of the AARP, and Mr. Jonathan Pruden, 
special advisor to the chief of staff for Warrior Care at the 
Wounded Warrior Project.
    Now, I now recognize Dr. Ramchand for 5 minutes to deliver 
your testimony.

                  STATEMENT OF RAJEEV RAMCHAND

    Dr. Ramchand. Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and 
members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify. 
My name is Dr. Rajeev Ramchand and I co-direct the RAND Epstein 
Family Veterans Policy Research Institute at RAND, a nonprofit, 
nonpartisan research organization.
    Yesterday RAND released, ``America's Military and Veteran 
Caregivers, Hidden Heroes Emerging From the Shadows.'' I had 
the honor of leading this study.
    The study estimates that there are 14.3 million military 
and veteran caregivers. This estimate surpasses past estimates 
of military and veteran caregiving in the United States.
    Many people caring for those in need of support do not 
identify as caregivers, but previous research has largely 
relied on a person identifying as a caregiver in order to be 
counted as one.
    Our updated approach relies on people describing the 
caregiving tasks they perform. We are including caregivers may 
not identify as such. This may include spouses caring for aging 
parents, individuals caring for their friends with mental 
health conditions or substance use disorders, or non-family 
members who may take on caregiving roles for their friends and 
neighbors.
    Many military and veteran caregivers see value in 
caregiving.
    As a caregiver taking care of a veteran friend told us, you 
feel like you are doing humanitarian work. You learn from their 
personal experiences, from their life, but there are costs to 
caregiving as well.
    In my testimony today I am going to describe highlights 
from our research that demonstrate the diversity of military 
and veteran caregivers and those they are caring for, as well 
as the implication this diversity has for policy.
    I am also going to quantify the emotional and financial 
costs of caregiving and provide policy options to address these 
issues.
    Military and veteran caregivers are not a monolith. One 
important distinction we found was that 26 percent of these 
caregivers are caring for servicemembers and veterans aged 60 
and under, and these caregivers and their experiences are very 
different from those who care for someone over age 60.
    Those caring for younger veterans and servicemembers are 
most often spouses, neighbors and friends, or family members, 
such as siblings or aunts and uncles.
    In contrast, the largest group caring for older veterans 
are adults caring for their parents, though spouses and friends 
each account for a significant proportion as well.
    Many military and veteran caregivers are caring for 
individuals with cognitive, mental health, and substance use 
diagnoses. Between 40 and 60 percent of military and veteran 
caregivers reported that their caregiving entails helping the 
veteran cope with stressful situations, manage sudden changes 
in mood, or avoid triggers of anxiety or antisocial behavior.
    These tasks only scratch the surface of what these 
caregivers do to help servicemembers and veterans struggling 
with emotional and behavioral issues, including thoughts of 
suicide. The problem is that many policies and programs 
overlook military and veteran caregivers to those with mental 
health and substance use conditions.
    Eligibility requirements are often based on Activities of 
Daily Living (ADL), such as helping a person bathe or 
Instrumental Activities of Daily Living (IADL), such as grocery 
shopping or housework.
    These may be inadequate for describing what many military 
and veteran caregivers do. This has implications for policy.
    First, we must ensure that policies and programs directed 
to support military and veteran caregivers, including those run 
by the VA, support those carrying for individuals with mental 
health and substance use diagnoses.
    Second, we must promote programs to caregivers in ways that 
do not require them to identify as caregivers in order to 
partake in them. Caregiving takes an emotional toll. 43 percent 
of military and veteran caregivers to those aged 60 or under 
meet criteria for depression, nearly four times that as non-
caregivers.
    Among the top barriers they report for not receiving mental 
healthcare were not having time for such care and being worried 
about the side effects of medications or being hospitalized if 
they were to admit certain things, such as past suicidal 
thoughts.
    Our report makes strong recommendations to increase mental 
health care to caregivers and their families. As you have 
heard, VA is piloting a novel approach, but those who are doing 
it are a small subset of caregivers who qualify and are 
eligible for the PCAFC.
    There is more needed, especially outside of VA. Expanding 
telehealth may increase access to mental healthcare for more 
people but its benefits will only be fully realized when 
interstate licensure agreements are worked out.
    Integrating mental health into primary care, like models 
such as collaborative care, is also a critically important 
step. If you compensated military and veteran caregivers for 
all the hours of caregiving they perform, it would total well 
over $100 billion. Most caregivers are not paid for their work.
    There are different approaches to help address this 
financial strain. We recommend that programs serving caregivers 
expand outreach to help them identify existing sources of 
support, such as Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program 
(SNAP) or Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, 
Infants, and Children (WIC) . We also recommend that Congress 
seriously consider tax credit options for caregivers.
    Research has shown that other tax credits, such as the 
earned income tax credit or the expansion of the child tax 
credit during the height of COVID, helped lift millions out of 
poverty. A caregiver tax credit might result in similar results 
as well.
    Thank you for your time and I look forward to your 
questions.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Rajeev Ramchand Appears In The 
Appendix]

    The Chairman. Thank you, Doctor.
    Mr. Schwab, you are now recognized for 5 minutes for your 
opening statement.

                   STATEMENT OF STEVE SCHWAB

    Mr. Schwab. Good morning and thank you, Chairman Bost, 
Ranking Member Takano, and members of the committee for the 
opportunity to testify today. My name is Steve Schwab, and I am 
CEO of the Elizabeth Dole Foundation, a national nonprofit 
whose mission is to strengthen and support military and veteran 
caregivers.
    Before I begin, I want to recognize the more than 60 Dole 
caregiver fellows that we have in attendance today from all 
across the country, as well as many more watching online. They 
have taken precious time away from their caregiving duties to 
be here and, simply put, their value to their loved ones and 
the VA and this Nation cannot be overstated.
    I would also like to thank and recognize former Secretary 
Bob McDonald for being here today and for coming onboard as the 
foundation's new board chairman. Yesterday, the foundation was 
honored to welcome over 600 guests to our 9th annual convening, 
launching the new RAND report just outlined by Dr. Ramchand in 
his testimony.
    This landmark research, thanks in part to our friends at 
Wounded Warrior Project and AARP, reflects what we see every 
single day at the foundation, as well as in the moving 
testimony that you will hear soon from Vanessa Chism.
    We could not be more proud of Vanessa and her family for 
being willing to share her experience and theirs to help 
others. I want to thank Vanessa, Cody, and the Chism family for 
being here today.
    While I offer a detailed outline of EDF's takeaways from 
the RAND report in my written statement, I want to focus today 
on two grave areas of concern for our community. First, 
addressing the current Veterans Health Administration budget 
shortfall.
    While we appreciate that Congress acted quickly to address 
the funding shortfall for the VBA, the challenge still remains 
to fund VHA at appropriate levels to ensure veterans and their 
caregivers receive needed and earned care and services.
    While the VA Caregiver Support Program represents a 
relatively small part of the VA, the impact of the shortfall in 
this program offers a picture of the overall impact at the 
agency level for veterans and their caregivers.
    We will endanger veterans and caregivers by abolishing 
frontline vacant positions, by instituting hiring freezes, or a 
lack of clinical providers and social workers and budget cuts 
to vital programs like respite that were just finally starting 
to get traction, as we heard from Dr. Richardson.
    In addition, prior to the identification and announcement 
of this shortfall, multiple new programs impacting caregivers, 
veterans, and survivors were on track for full implementation. 
The Veteran Family Resource Coordination Program, the Survivor 
Assistance and Memorial Affairs Program, and the lead social 
workers at the VISN level were all delayed. These programs and 
services are intended to connect caregivers and families with 
resources before a crisis occurs and could promote cost 
savings, as we have heard this morning in addition to the added 
peace of mind for the caregiver.
    Additionally, the foundation and every other major veteran 
service organization strongly support the passage of H.R. 8371, 
the Senator Elizabeth Dole 21st Century Veteran Healthcare and 
Benefits Improvement Act.
    As many of you know, this omnibus bill includes the 
Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act, which has numerous provisions 
directly impacting veterans and caregivers. Most notably, the 
legislation would remove the 65 percent expenditure cap on VA 
provided in the home and allow our most vulnerable veterans and 
caregivers the support they need to stay with their loved ones.
    We thank Congresswoman Julia Brownley for her leadership in 
introducing and fighting for this legislation.
    While the passage of this bill is a top priority, the 
veterans omnibus package, to which Senator Dole also proudly 
lent her name, includes numerous additional provisions 
important to caregivers and veterans, excuse me, including 
grants in the community to provide much needed mental 
healthcare to veterans and their caregivers, a pathway to 
advocacy, a long-awaited pilot program for assisted living 
services, significant benefits for survivors, which has come up 
repeatedly this morning, and finally enhanced access in the 
community for those whom it has been determined for their 
clinician is in their medical best interest. It enhances access 
to rehabilitation for veterans in need.
    I also want to remind this committee how vital it is that 
we grandfather our 14,000 legacy caregivers into the PCAFC 
program. This committee has championed landmark legislation, 
such as the PACT Act and the Veterans Comprehensive Prevention, 
Access to Care, and Treatment (COMPACT) Act, that significantly 
increased the number of veterans receiving VA care, benefits, 
and creating additional strain on the VA system.
    We understand there needs to be a conversation about the 
balance of community care and direct care. We want to 
strengthen the VA and ensure staffing is sufficient for the 
need, but until a plan is in place the access to care 
provisions in the omnibus provide a lifeline to veterans in 
need and the caregivers who advocate for them.
    Many of the challenges outlined here and in the RAND report 
can be addressed through continued oversight and legislative 
initiatives, as I have outlined.
    Specifically, the omnibus package would provide in many 
cases immediate relief to those in need. We urge members of the 
House to reach out to trusted veteran caregiver and survivor 
advocacy organizations to hear their perspective on this 
legislation and ensure its swift passage.
    Veterans and caregivers have been waiting for 2 years for 
Congress to take action on many of the provisions in this bill 
and they simply cannot wait any longer for its lifesaving and 
life-changing provisions.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to your 
questions.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Steve Schwab Appears In The 
Appendix]

    The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Schwab.
    Ms. Chism, you are recognized for 5 minutes for your 
opening testimony.

                   STATEMENT OF VANESSA CHISM

    Ms. Chism. Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and 
members of the committee, thank you for allowing me to speak 
today. I am sharing my story today representing millions of 
other caregivers who are experiencing similar struggles yet 
they bravely tend to our Nation's heroes every single day.
    My name is Vanessa Chism. I am the wife and caregiver for 
my husband Cody. We were high school sweethearts marrying soon 
after graduation.
    In 2003, he decided to join the U.S. Army as a combat 
medic. While at our third duty station he deployed to Iraq and 
in December 2008 he came home. I naively thought he was 
unscathed from the atrocities of war simply because he was 
coming home without being medivacked out of the combat zone. 
The moment I saw him, I knew I was wrong.
    Ultimately, my husband was medically retired from Walter 
Reed Army Medical Center in 2011 after spending almost 2 years 
in the Warrior Transition Unit (WTU) there with a diagnosis 
primarily of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) with bipolar 
disorder.
    My husband was appropriately diagnosed in 2012. It was 
determined that my husband's experiences in combat likely 
caused PTSD, moderate TBIs, and seizures.
    While suspected for many years, it was not until 2024 that 
he was diagnosed with chronic traumatic encephalopathy by the 
VA, causing continuous neurological decline.
    It has taken me 15 years, collegiate education in 
psychology and behavioral neuroscience, six VAs, and multiple 
private physicians to even begin to understand his actual 
diagnosis and the care and services available to him and our 
entire family.
    His daily life is afflicted with chronic suicidal 
ideations, migraines, epileptic seizures, episodes of 
psychosis, chronic pain, and cognitive impairment leaving him 
unable to care for himself independently.
    While he is still here physically, I have lost who my 
husband once was. Our family endures the ever-changing 
neurological decline resulting from traumatic brain injuries, 
but we have learned to fight and learned to advocate and 
prevail as a family.
    There are programs within the VA established to assist 
families like mine. However, accessibility is the problem. I 
have been enrolled in the PCAFC program since 2012, currently a 
legacy participant.
    On November 5, 2021 despite VA assessors stating multiple 
times that my husband is not capable of caring for himself, I 
received notification that he was being discharged from the 
program because he would not need continuous care for more than 
6 months.
    I am currently among the approximately 14,000 of their 
legacy participants in the pause waiting for the VA to disclose 
our fate, which leaves us all vulnerable and unsure of what the 
future holds.
    Enrollment in the PCAFC program provides eligibility for 
respite care, yet I have not received and have never received 
it. I requested respite care multiple times at multiple VA 
facilities. While approved, there were no available providers.
    I was successful in receiving respite care once. It was 
through the Elizabeth Dole Foundation. The respite provider 
drove and assisted my husband with obtaining medications from 
the VA and then took him with his service dog to a dog park to 
play.
    The simple ability to not have to worry for just a few 
hours is invaluable. Currently, my respite is provided by my 
incredible children. They too have dedicated their lives to 
being caregivers to their father.
    Without apprehension they step in to help, whether that be 
driving him to the store and making sure he remembers why he is 
there, knowing what to do when he has a seizure, understanding 
when plans have to be canceled, or monitoring their dad doing 
simple daily tasks.
    Both of my older children have had periods in their lives 
where they needed therapy services to help them. Thankfully, 
the Wounded Warrior Project helped me ensure all barriers were 
removed so that they received care.
    While I recognize the challenges of this life, I like to 
focus on the positives. All three of my children are incredibly 
kind, compassionate, flexible, and always dependable. These are 
characteristics they not only present when they are at home but 
throughout our community.
    There are sacrifices made, but they have their dad at home 
with them. That can never be replaced.
    Veteran-directed care is another beneficial program. 
However, I have found that staff at VA healthcare facilities 
are not fully trained regarding the VDC program and it is often 
only available in limited catchment areas.
    I have had to inform social workers at VA facilities of the 
VDC program and explain the process for eligibility. VDC could 
only allow me to directly hire trusted individuals who are 
familiar with Cody's needs and provide me with respite care. 
Yet, I have been unsuccessful in accessing this program.
    VDC could be an asset to me and other caregivers who need 
and deserve a break so we can be at our best when caring for 
our veterans.
    Another beneficial yet challenging to access program is the 
community care network. For example, when referred to a 
community care podiatrist we found multiple hurdles attempting 
to access care. The podiatrist provided exceptional care, yet 
she was not permitted by the VA to provide something as simple 
as a walking boot improve his mobility.
    After waiting for months for the VA, I spent hours of my 
time to discuss with the VA how to fix this problem. The delay 
was a result of inaccurate paperwork. The unnecessary back and 
forth was more costly for the VA and detrimental for Cody.
    I became my husband's full-time caregiver at 26, and I am 
now 41. Being my husband's caregiver is a choice I make and 15 
years into this I am fully aware of the sacrifices I have made 
and will continue to make.
    With the appropriate support structures in place, I can be 
a better caregiver for him every day. I am no longer naive. I 
know that there may come a day where I can no longer care for 
Cody in my home.
    We should all be allowed to make the decision that is best 
for our families with the full support of the VA. My husband 
chose to defend our country without hesitation, unknowing the 
consequences of war that would impact the rest of his life.
    Despite any disabilities and accommodations, if he chooses, 
my husband deserves to be involved as much as possible in our 
lives. We cannot give him that choice without your help.
    It is this country's responsibility to ensure we provide 
our veterans with unwavering, easily obtainable support. 
Because of my lived experiences and experiences of other 
caregivers, I would like to make the following recommendation.
    The immediate passage of H.R. 8371 because it addresses 
many of ours and other families' challenges.
    Grandfather all current PCAFC legacy participants. We have 
proven we are eligible for this program.
    Expansion of complex, post-acute neurological treatment 
within VHA.
    Provide easily obtainable case management or care 
coordination services for veterans with complex medical needs.
    Thank you all for the opportunity to share my story. I 
share these personal details with you not looking for sympathy, 
but to ensure significant, positive, impactful change, 
lessening the load for veterans and their caregivers across 
this Nation.
    Thank you and I look forward to questions.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Vanessa Chism Appears In The 
Appendix]

    The Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Chism.
    Mr. Broussard, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

                  STATEMENT OF TROY BROUSSARD

    Mr. Broussard. That is right. Thank you. Chairman Bost, 
Ranking Member Takano, and members of the committee, my name is 
Troy Broussard and I am the State Director of AARP Kentucky. 
AARP, which advocates for more than 100 million Americans age 
50 and older, including the over 430,000 Kentuckians, 
appreciates this opportunity to provide testimony at today's 
hearing.
    I will tell you, it is my distinct honor to also have the 
opportunity to testify before my very own Member of Congress, 
Representative McGarvey out of District Three in Louisville, 
Kentucky. It is an honor to be here.
    I am also a proud Army Desert Storm veteran. For me, being 
a veteran embodies resilience, sacrifice, and a deep sense of 
duty to my country, our country.
    Prior to becoming the State Director of AARP Kentucky, I 
led AARP's national veteran and military families initiative 
and worked very closely with the Dole Foundation.
    Helping veterans allows me to give back to those who shared 
a very similar situation that I had in the military, and it 
paved the way for me to serve my country and my community. It 
is a way to honor their service and to ensure that they receive 
the care, compassion, and recognition that they deserve.
    The vast majority of veterans who need care are getting it 
at home provided by their loved ones. That may be as simple as 
driving someone to the VA for a doctor's appointment, managing 
appointments, or finances or more complex things like helping 
someone get dressed, bathe or, anything along those lines.
    Increasingly, these tasks are becoming more and more 
medical, changing a dressing, catheters, tube feeding, 
operating equipment, and more. We call this family caregiving. 
There are more than 48 million people across our great country 
who are doing this work each and every day.
    These caregivers are truly everyday heroes, the ones that 
are sitting behind us here and out listening to this as well. I 
will give you one, a hero like Terri, who lives in Indiana who 
cares for her husband who served in the Air Force. She received 
some support from VA and has used AARP's free caregiving 
resources.
    At the same time, she faces challenges such as healthcare 
providers being dismissive and not appropriately communicating 
to her about her husband's care.
    Family caregivers are holding up their families and 
America's long-term care system. While it is a labor of love, 
it can also be overwhelming both personally and financially.
    One out of three caregivers is spending at least 20 hours a 
week on caregiving so it can also have an impact on their jobs 
as well.
    We at AARP have found that family caregivers spend, on 
average, 26 percent of their income annually, or $7,200, on 
caregiving. Those who care for our veterans spend about 50 
percent more, more than $11,000, a year.
    We are doing what we can to help. We have free resources at 
AARP, information, and tools to help caregivers. That can be 
found at aarp.org/veterans. We try to make sure that veterans 
and their families get access to benefits that they are 
eligible for and know what help is out there.
    We need more than a website, okay? The reality is without 
family caregivers, more Americans would have to rely on 
government programs for their care. We estimate that value of 
care being provided is about $600 billion a year. That is money 
taxpayers are not spending because families are doing it for 
free.
    We are so thankful for the bipartisan, bicameral Assisting 
Caregivers Today Caucus, or the ACT Caucus, co-chaired by 
Representatives Jen Kiggans and Debbie Dingell.
    We are hoping that Congress will recognize the incredible 
contribution of caregivers and the money they are spending out-
of-pocket and advance bipartisan legislation to give a tax 
credit to help offset those expenses.
    We can do more to cut the red tape between Medicare, U.S. 
Social Security Association (SSA), VA to make it a little bit 
easier for caregivers. You know, we are seeing great strides in 
states already. Oklahoma and Nebraska have passed tax credits 
for caregivers already. In Kentucky this year, my team 
successfully fought to increased access to broadband, increased 
access to home care in Medicaid, and an increase in funding for 
our senior meals.
    We have also worked very closely with our Kentucky 
Department of Veterans Affairs to share resources, specifically 
like our military caregiving guide that provides caregivers 
step-by-step instructions on how to help them through that 
process and the special needs of a veteran.
    In closing, I want to thank you all for bringing attention 
to the millions of everyday heroes who are caring for their 
loved ones who served our country. They need and deserve our 
support and common-sense solutions that meets their needs, and 
AARP is proud to provide support to them through advocacy, 
resources, and research. Thank you.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Troy Broussard Appears In The 
Appendix]

    The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Broussard.
    Captain Pruden, you are recognized for 5 minutes for your 
opening statement.

                  STATEMENT OF JONATHAN PRUDEN

    Mr. Pruden. Thank you, Chairman Bost, Ranking Member 
Takano, and members of the committee for the opportunity to 
speak about the tremendous contributions of the caregivers 
providing care and support to our Nation's wounded warriors.
    Caregivers play a critical and indispensable role in the 
lives of these veterans and many have risen to the occasion 
with love, pride, boundless energy, and unwavering commitment. 
Many have faced mental, physical, and financial hardship along 
the way.
    We are grateful for the chance to speak on those challenges 
today. Our perspective is informed by over 20 years of 
delivering programs and services to wounded warriors. 
Caregivers have been by our side every step of the way, 
including my wife Amy.
    Caregivers play a key role in how we serve through our 
independence program, which helps veterans with moderate to 
severe brain injuries, paralysis, or neurological condition to 
live more independently and have better quality of life.
    Caregivers have also been crucial partners in how we 
provide care through our complex case coordination program, 
which leverages VA, U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), and 
community resources to rapidly triage and address the most 
urgent needs of our veterans.
    Caregivers have shaped our calls to action before this 
committee in Congress. Caregivers drove our advocacy for the 
Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers which 
launched in 2011 and has grown to play a meaningful role in the 
lives of more than 60,000 caregivers in 2024.
    Caregivers helped set a vision for how we tested innovative 
long-term planning through the Assisted Living for Veterans 
with TBI pilot, which ran for 10 years and provided insights on 
how we can better care for younger veterans who require 
supportive living environments.
    Caregivers, including many of those in this room, are a key 
part of our strong support for Elizabeth Dole 21st Century 
Veterans Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act. This bill 
includes many provisions that would support veterans and 
caregivers, and I am pleased to highlight three of those today.
    First, VA has many programs to support veterans. They can 
be hard to navigate and are not uniformly available or funded 
across the country. Caregivers are often left confused and 
frustrated when they try to help their loved ones.
    The Dole Act would require VA to expand access to home and 
community-based services like Veteran-Directed Care to every VA 
medical center also require VA to counsel veterans and 
caregivers about these programs before they have to leave 
PCAFC.
    Second, caregiving often takes a huge emotional toll. 
RAND's recent survey shows that 84 percent of post-9/11 
caregivers show high levels of perceived stress which can 
contribute to depressive thoughts and suicidal ideation. Sadly, 
many are not connected to the support they need.
    The Dole Act would authorize VA to provide grants to 
organizations that support caregiver mental health and well-
being. It would also help mitigate some of the stress 
associated with caregiving by ensuring better access to respite 
care, as many of the members here today have discussed.
    Third, post-9/11 caregivers are aging alongside the 
veterans they support. As life circumstances change over time, 
caregivers who are parents, children, and adult siblings may be 
more likely to seek other care arrangements.
    Finding alternative care solutions for veterans, 
particularly those with the greatest needs, must be a priority 
but it will take planning.
    The Dole Act highlights one avenue through a pilot to 
provide assisted living services to eligible veterans and 
assess their satisfaction with the program. Most veterans and 
caregivers want to remain at home as long as possible, but we 
owe it to them have suitable options in the community when 
staying at home is no longer an option or is not feasible or 
safe.
    Beyond passing the Dole Act, Congress can support 
caregivers by helping them navigate complex systems of care. VA 
has tremendous resources but they are not always easy to find 
or understand.
    Other Federal, State, and community resources exist but 
they are not clearly connected. We can start by empowering VA 
to create a system that helps centralize care coordination and 
patient advocacy, particularly for those with the most complex 
needs.
    Caregivers often become the best advocates for their 
veterans, but the fact is these veterans still need consistent, 
coordinated care from VA. Congress can also help caregivers 
plan for their financial future.
    Based on Wounded Warrior Project's annual survey and RAND's 
recent research, post 9/11 caregivers show substantial out-of-
pocket costs associated with caregiving. Caregiving duties can 
also greatly impact the caregiver's ability to build and 
maintain a career, placing them in even deeper financial 
uncertainty.
    To those ends, we support the Veteran Caregiver 
Reeducation, Reemployment, and Retirement Act. We encourage 
more oversight to help provide a clearer picture of how VA and 
other Federal agencies can support caregivers now and into the 
future.
    It is also a fresh reminder for VA and Congress to reaffirm 
their commitment to caregivers by resolving the financial 
uncertainty and emotional anxiety created by the current 
regulatory pause and review of PCAFC.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify and I look 
forward to your questions.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Jonathan Pruden Appears In The 
Appendix]

    The Chairman. Well, I want to thank each of you for your 
testimony. I appreciate that so much.
    Ms. Chism, I want to thank you for personally putting your 
story out here. I know that is not an easy thing to do and for 
showing your family and what you are facing, to be the face of 
the many others that are in the crowd and across this Nation.
    We are going to go to questions, and I will recognize 
myself for 5 minutes. Then we will go on.
    Mr. Schwab, the Elizabeth Dole Foundation is strongly 
supporting the Elizabeth Dole Act and the bills that would 
support caregivers. What would be the most immediate impact on 
caregivers if the Dole Act were passed?
    Mr. Schwab. Thank you for this question, Mr. Chairman. We 
have talked a lot this morning about the Elizabeth Dole Home 
Care Act and while that is a major priority of the foundation, 
it is not our only priority. We want to make sure that folks 
understand the other legislation that is part of the omnibus 
bill.
    A lot has been said about the terrific and impactful ways 
the Home Care Act will impact caregivers, and Vanessa talked 
about some of them. I want to stress the fact that the 
reimbursement rate for expenditure caps on non-institutional 
care will go from 65 percent to 100 percent is life-changing.
    We have caregivers who are providing support, for instance 
with loved ones that have ALS, that are going into debt 
supporting those in-home costs. Expanding VDC is critical. It 
is a big part of the Home Care Act.
    We have talked about the necessary mandate around warm 
handoffs. That is not happening at the VA right now.
    I also want to talk about some aspects of the bill that are 
beyond the Home Care Act. There is an assisted living pilot 
program that is essential. Access to care provisions, we have 
heard from a lot of members this morning and from Vanessa about 
how access and navigation continues to be a major issue.
    We have talked extensively about the lack of mental health 
and mental healthcare for caregivers. The reality is right now 
that the programs that are offered are to the PCAFC program 
participants, which is a small percentage of the overall 
caregiving population and the omnibus bill would allow for 
expansion of that.
    We have also talked about the value and the transition, the 
hard transition from caregiver status to survivor status, Mr. 
Chairman. This bill, the omnibus bill, has survivor provisions 
in it that are really vital to the community as well. The 
impact is gigantic.
    The Chairman. Ms. Chism, can you, kind of, share what the 
biggest obstacles you face when trying to access VA and support 
services such as respite care?
    Ms. Chism. Thank you for the question. My biggest obstacle 
when trying to access that is actually the VA. I have found the 
VA employees are not educated in the programs that the VA 
offers, nor do they understand the criteria for caregivers to 
receive these support services.
    I have actually experienced a VA social worker telling me 
that I would probably figure it out before they would when 
requesting assistance, and I never heard from them again. I did 
figure it out.
    There is also a huge issue with staffing within VHA 
facilities resulting in their inability to provide appropriate 
healthcare to our veterans and support services, especially 
respite care for our caregivers.
    I know we discussed the budget shortfall that we are all 
aware of, and I do believe that that is having an impact. I 
would like to know the extent of the impact that it is going to 
continue to have on us.
    We recently switched my husband's care over to the 
Baltimore VA for respite care. There I was told for the first 
time ever that I could get on respite, however, I need to 
request it at least 2 weeks in advance.
    That is not something that is really reasonable in my life 
with the way I do not know if my husband is going to happen a 
traumatic seizure and be in the hospital the next day. I do not 
know what is going to happen.
    I provide around the clock supervision for him, and I am 
simply requesting occasional assistance. When I did receive 
resident through the EDF Foundation I used those hours to 
volunteer at my youngest daughter's school.
    I am not asking for to go on elaborate things. We are 
asking for every day, mundane tasks that most people can do, 
like going to do grocery shopping without much thought.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    Well, Captain Pruden, Wounded Warriors Project does a great 
job of advocating the needs for veterans and PTSD and TBI. In 
your view, what are the biggest gaps in the VA's current 
support programs for caregivers and when they assist a veteran?
    Mr. Pruden. Obviously, you have to have the supports in 
place for the veteran and part of the Elizabeth Dole Act, 
Section 105, covers access standards for rehabilitation care, 
residential rehabilitative care because, as you know, those 
with PTSD, TBI, and often comorbid substance abuse issues, when 
they need to go into care usually it is precipitated by a 
crisis.
    It impacts their family and their children directly and say 
I am ready to go. Give me help. Having to wait weeks and months 
for care is not appropriate and not okay and too often that 
impact, if it is allowed to go on, has hugely damaging effect 
on our caregivers and their families.
    As Vanessa pointed out and Dr. Richardson pointed out, the 
VA is a giant, complex web of programs and services. We need 
better case coordination for our caregivers so that they can 
help to help navigate the system into the good programs that do 
exist inside VA.
    The Chairman. Thank you.
    With that, I will yield back.
    I have Representative Brownley. You are recognized for 5 
minutes.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Mr. Chair and thank you Mr. 
Ranking Member for allowing me to go. I am late for a meeting 
so I appreciate it very much.
    Ms. Chism, I just wanted to also chime in here to thank you 
for being here today and your testimony. Everyone on the panel 
gave excellent testimony today but yours really penetrates in 
our psyche and it is really, really important to hear stories 
like yours.
    It means a great deal and it is most impactful to hear your 
story and to hear your experiences. I just want to thank you 
for that and really do honor your perseverance and your, as you 
said, this is my choice and I will continue to make it.
    It is just, to me, it gives me chills and I am very 
impressed and very, very grateful to your service to our 
country as well. Thank you for that.
    Dr. Ramchand, I wanted to ask you about some elements in 
the report, and I think the report highlights that caregivers 
for veterans who are under the age of 60 are at higher risk of 
depression and are less likely to seek care than non-
caregivers.
    This is really an important point for me. I mean, just I am 
not sure how we solve the problem. I think awareness that help 
is out there I think is very important, but I also think that 
perhaps we need to require some way, shape, or form, whether it 
is by video or something that if someone is going to step up to 
do a caregiving job that they need to listen to this video from 
the VA that talks about the statistics that you have uncovered 
here for folks that are under 60.
    Most importantly, I think to make them feel that they are 
not alone in all of this, that there are a whole sea of 
caregivers like you going through similar things and to seek 
help. I mean, it has taken us a long time to convince veterans 
to seek help, and I think we need to, sort of, do the same 
thing for caregivers.
    If they are going to care give, do caregiving under the 
envelope of the VA, I think the VA should be doing something to 
make sure that they are aware of the programs and not feel 
alone. Does that make sense to you or?
    Dr. Ramchand. It does make sense. I think that in addition, 
and thank you for the statement and the comment, I think that 
we really explored alternative delivery models for that care.
    I think that the current models that exist, and you 
mentioned earlier telehealth is increasing and I think that 
that holds a lot of promise and should be made more available, 
but I think other methods like integrating mental healthcare 
into primary care.
    Asynchronous counseling we bring up in our report, which 
is, kind of, text message-based counseling to help with stress, 
all these alternative methods that, kind of, address this 
barrier of time.
    Vanessa's story may be. She is doing things all the time. 
To even take 3 hours out to go to a mental health appointment 
once a week or once every 2 weeks it might not be attainable. 
How do we meet people where they are at?
    Our report describes some of those options, but I think 
that that is really, kind of, the critical. Even, you know, 
even forcing them could create more stress. You know, we have 
to let them kind of direct it.
    That is what I think are some really unique opportunities 
there.
    Ms. Brownley. Okay, very good. I mean, I do not mean to use 
the word force, but just a requirement that when you join the 
program you have to listen to this 30-minute video so that 
people understand what the services are and not feel alone.
    I get your point. I really, really do. I also, you might 
not know this, but when you talk about 20 percent of caregivers 
in this group have had thoughts in the past year about suicide, 
taking their own lives, I am just wondering if the VA is, if 
those veterans who we know have committed suicide, do they know 
this element of the fact that they potentially could be 
caregivers?
    I do not know whether--I will follow up with the VA to find 
that out, but that would be an important data point.
    Also mentioned about the interstate licensure but, you 
know, within the VA we do have this telehealth and we can go, 
you know, we have the supremacy law and we can go across State 
lines so it is not so much of an issue within the VA.
    Outside of the VA it is a whole other community care. It is 
another challenge.
    Dr. Ramchand. Right. For caregivers, most, you know, the 
only ones that are getting mental healthcare from the VA are 
those enrolled in that PCAFC program.
    Ms. Brownley. Yes.
    Dr. Ramchand. The majority of that, you know, 13.7, you 
know, however many it is, million care military and veteran 
caregivers that is not really an option. They are receiving 
care in the community.
    Ms. Brownley. Yes, very good. You mentioned a tax credit, 
which I think is a really good idea. I think it should be a tax 
credit that we did in the rescue plan which gives folks the 
money up front and not having to wait or be required to do 
their taxes. Many people do not make enough income to even do 
their taxes but we can talk about that later.
    Mr. Broussard, you mentioned that Oklahoma and Kentucky 
both have tax credits. What do their tax credits look like?
    Mr. Broussard. Yes. It is actually Oklahoma and Nebraska.
    Ms. Brownley. Oh, Oklahoma and Nebraska.
    Mr. Broussard. That is okay.
    Ms. Brownley. That is exactly what I wrote down but I did 
not say that.
    Mr. Broussard. You made it through Broussard, pronouncing 
that, so you are good----
    Ms. Brownley. Okay, good. Okay, good.
    Mr. Broussard [continuing]. in my book. It is a $2,000 tax 
credit that is for most caregivers, but it is a higher maximum 
of $3,000 for family caregivers of a veteran. Those were passed 
by those states and I think that is a great model to look at it 
and to start with.
    $2,000 for regular caregivers and if it is with veterans it 
would be up to $3,000 in those states.
    Ms. Brownley. Great. Great, thank you.
    Mr. Broussard. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Brownley. Dr. Ramchand, one last question. You stated 
that your study says that caregivers generally forego around 
$4,500 in earnings each year. That seems low to me but that is 
what the conclusion is?
    Dr. Ramchand. Yes. It is an average and it is we really 
base it upon, well, we look at income and we look at comparing 
to non-caregivers' and caregivers' income. What we found is 
that that is mostly driven by work disruptions.
    As you could imagine, around 27 percent of caregivers in 
our study reported a work disruption. 11 percent switched jobs, 
you know, so we have that broken out into the types of 
disruptions that they have experienced.
    Certainly, many caregivers are leaving the labor force 
completely and we have those numbers as well. There are a lot 
that are juggling both caregiving and work and so we present an 
average.
    Certainly, you know, a lot of caregivers that we have heard 
anecdotally, as well as we have a qualitative component of the 
report, that describe many of whom have had to give up, you 
know, participation in the labor force.
    Ms. Brownley. Very good.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    The Chairman. Ranking Member, you are recognized.
    Mr. Takano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to just commend 
Congresswoman Brownley for her tremendous expertise and work 
she has done in this policy area.
    Ms. Chism, you testified, and I want to just make sure that 
I am getting it right, you started caregiving at a young age; 
is that right? You are doing this full-time?
    Ms. Chism. Yes. I started when I was 26.
    Mr. Takano. Oh, you started when you were 26, you said? I 
am assuming your husband is 100 percent service-connected 
disabled and he gets 100 percent and he gets a disability 
pension?
    Ms. Chism. Yes.
    Mr. Takano. The stipend you get as a--you are enrolled in 
the family caregiver program so you are get a stipend. That is 
helpful, the combined income, and I do not want to delve into 
all the other ways in which your family may be supported, but I 
am troubled by the fact that people your age, caregivers your 
age, you are not only out of workforce but the stipend you are 
getting it is, you know, it is what it is.
    You are not earning any Social Security credit for that, 
right?
    Ms. Chism. Yes. I have no Social Security. There is no 
credit for that whatsoever. I have actually recently. I am 
employed, but I had to find a job that was I actually work for 
a nonprofit VSO that they are incredibly flexible. I work 
remotely because I am concerned that we will be just completely 
eliminated, which would cause financial ruin for my family.
    I mean, even though I would like to point out that stipend, 
I am tier 3 in the DC, Maryland and Virginia (DMV) area and I 
get paid about $110 a day----
    Mr. Takano. Okay.
    Ms. Chism [continuing]. for 24-hour care. Yes. That is 
something, yes.
    Mr. Takano. You are certainly saving the American taxpayer 
money by being a full-time caregiver.
    Ms. Chism. Right.
    Mr. Takano. You having to go out and find a job that allows 
you to do this work, I think I want to work with the chairman 
to fix this particular issue that you are not earning Social 
Security credit.
    It is a real strain on the number of years you are going to 
be doing this.
    I am also concerned about you have three young kids, and I 
think it could be a challenge that you are taking care of kids 
and husband and also sometimes families are also taking care of 
elders.
    I am hearing that the kids are likely to have emotional 
conduct problems in these households. I am not saying that 
yours are having those problems, but that is a challenge for 
everybody involved. Are the children eligible for, you know, 
Civilian Health and Medical Program of the Department of 
Veterans Affairs (CHAMPVA) as well and able to get mental 
health services they might need?
    Ms. Chism. We, because my husband was medically retired, we 
have access to Tricare so we have Tricare. Though the veterans 
who were not medically retired they do not have that.
    Mr. Takano. There is a gap there is what----
    Ms. Chism. There is a gap there, yes.
    Mr. Takano. We need to, because I am thinking in such cases 
where we have caregiver needs we need to think about not just 
the caregiver but the kids in the household, too, right?
    Ms. Chism. Absolutely.
    Mr. Takano. Making sure that they are supported.
    Dr. Ramchand, how do you propose that VA expand its 
definition of caregiver to include those caring for veterans 
with a substance use disorder or a mental health condition?
    Dr. Ramchand. Well, it is a great question. There is not 
much precedent for it. We really scratched the surface by 
looking at people who are helping with memory tasks, as well as 
people who are helping manage mood and anxiety.
    We believe that there needs to be more work to really start 
quantifying the aspects of caregiving to individuals with these 
conditions so we can delineate more what those tasks involve, 
which are most beneficial so that we can come up with some, 
kind of, proxy similar to how we use ADLs and IADLs, but 
something that is more cognizant of those mental health 
conditions.
    Right now, we do not have, kind of, the empirical data to 
do that. In the meantime, I think that we can take examples 
that account for narratives provided by caregivers that account 
for these things.
    I realize that that might be laborious but we do have, 
kind, of technologies right now that could be really helpful in 
starting to quantify what these caregivers are doing and take 
conditions like this into consideration so that we can really 
start thinking more inclusively about caregivers to those with 
these challenges.
    Mr. Takano. Well, I just want to ask you another follow-up, 
if I can? Do you think VA has a role to play in ensuring 
caregivers are connected with additional support services like 
SNAP, WIC, and Supplemental Security income (SSI)? What are 
some of the ways that VA can connect veterans and caregivers 
with other Federal benefits?
    It is, kind of, like an add-on to what I was talking about 
with making sure that the caregiver in the family program is 
getting, like, Social Security credits at least.
    Dr. Ramchand. I mean, I am a big proponent and I think the 
research supports these no wrong door policies. When a 
caregiver goes in to seek support for the first time the person 
that they are talking to, whether that is at the VA or at a 
VSO, be aware of these benefits or at least be thinking about 
these benefits so that they can help the caregiver figure it 
out.
    As we have heard, caregivers are very burdened. They are 
very tired. Having them, kind of, cruise around Googling what 
benefits that might be available to them is probably not the 
most efficient way.
    Those who, kind of, you know, raise their hand to help 
support caregivers, ensuring that they have that knowledge and 
can help them apply for those programs I think it would be a 
tremendous asset.
    Mr. Takano. Well, thank you. I have gone over my time.
    I am going to yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    The Chairman. Mr. McGarvey.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. Chism, I just want to echo everyone else's comments. 
Your testimony is incredible. It is impactful. It is 
courageous. We are so appreciative of you and your service and 
I want to make sure we recognize.
    I would also like to thank RAND, the Elizabeth Dole 
Foundation, everyone on this panel. Thank you. Thank you for 
the incredible work you all have done to develop and share the 
insights of this year's caregiver report, a truly phenomenal 
job. I hope a lot of people are paying attention to what you 
all are saying today.
    You have identified how caregivers more than ever before 
are invested and how much time and effort and getting a deeper 
understanding of their unique experiences, their strengths, 
their challenges, and character.
    I also want to extend a personal warm welcome to Mr. Troy 
Broussard, the State director of the AARP from my hometown of 
Louisville, Kentucky, a proud Army veteran to boot. Thank you, 
Mr. Broussard, for all of your service.
    I appreciate what you do for the caregivers throughout our 
district in the great Commonwealth of Kentucky. It is always 
great to have another Louisvillian up here.
    Mr. Broussard. Right.
    Mr. McGarvey. We will get into some questions now that we 
thanked everybody. I would like to explore whether there are 
promising home care support programs and models that you all 
seen implemented or ideas you have on how the VA can implement 
and test programs that are more responsive to the caregivers' 
unique needs and problems.
    While there are over 14 million military and veteran 
caregivers, the RAND study suggests that 40 percent of adults 
this country provides some form of caregiving. While VA has 
more work to do to improve its Caregiver Support Programs, they 
are actually leading the way in terms of large-scale support 
infrastructure for caregivers.
    The VA is uniquely positioned, given its size, to inform 
broader models of support that impact the lives of millions of 
Americans providing care to non-military veteran loved ones.
    Mr. Broussard, you mentioned different models in your 
testimony and ideas such as tax credits. Do you think the VA is 
a good testing ground for these sorts of innovative ideas to 
assist our caregivers?
    Mr. Broussard. Thank you, Congressman McGarvey, for that 
question. The VA, we feel, is a good place to test those 
innovative ideas to support those caregivers.
    Both VA and non-VA caregiver support efforts can learn from 
and build on each other. You know, the self-direction programs 
that allow family caregivers to be paid for providing care for 
their loved one are extremely important. That model is in the 
VA under the Veteran-Directed Care, which is being expanded in 
VA, which is great.
    Like I mentioned earlier, you know, Oklahoma and Nebraska 
have enacted those tax credits so that could be something we 
feel it would be very important.
    Then last, the VA Program of Comprehensive Assistance for 
Family Caregivers provides family caregivers training to assist 
in delivering these personal care services to a veteran. I 
think that would be important. Medicare now reimburses for 
that.
    I think that could be a good testing ground with the VA to 
attempt to do that. We will be more than happy to help support 
that as well.
    Mr. McGarvey. I appreciate that and that is the support we 
want to see. In fact, something I have said before and I will 
continue to say and you will see more from me in the coming 
months and years because I think the VA should have a fifth 
mission of innovation because of its ability with its broad 
scale to implement some of these ideas that, of course, are not 
just fantastic for our veterans, the men and women who are 
willing to put on a uniform and sacrifice everything for us, 
but they can also be applied outside of the veteran context and 
be beneficial to everybody.
    Dr. Ramchand, I will go to you next and ask where do you 
see opportunities for innovation and impact in the realm of 
home support service programs at the VA? How can the VA better 
develop pilot programs or better scale what they are already 
piloting to help our caregivers?
    Dr. Ramchand. I think that really the opportunities abound. 
I think, as I have been, kind of, stating, the big need is 
support for mental healthcare and substance use. What does 
home-based care look like? What are those needs? I think there 
are real opportunities for pilot.
    The VA has a strong research arm within it and so I think, 
you know, there is a lot of, kind of, research potential should 
the, you know, researchers be encouraged to start looking at 
veteran caregivers, especially those to do with mental health 
or cognitive conditions, as well as complex needs.
    I do think that those are ways in which the VA could really 
be that proving testing ground for some of these novel 
approaches.
    Mr. McGarvey. Okay. Anything on the pilot programs or 
better scaling? Sure, go ahead. I mean, it was part of the 
question to you, but Mr. Schwab, you seem to want to jump in.
    Mr. Schwab. I would just like mention----
    Mr. McGarvey. You have got 4 seconds.
    Mr. Schwab. I would just like to say respite has come up 
quite a bit today. Vanessa talked about her challenges around 
utilization of respite and the delivery of respite.
    The VDC, that program, we see a fast expansion across VA to 
open up those channels, but I would also like to acknowledge 
that she mentioned a program that we delivered through the Dole 
Foundation that was flexible, timely, and responsive to better 
respite, caregiver respite needs when they need them.
    I am a big believer in what you said around innovation and 
VHA is looking at that respite model and seeing how it might be 
able to be pilot expanded across VA. We would really like to 
see that happen.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you all so much. I really appreciate 
your testimony and I appreciate your service. Thank you.
    The Chairman. At this time if the Ranking Member has any 
closing remarks?
    Mr. Takano. Mr. Chairman, I think this has been a very 
bipartisan, productive, committee hearing and I want to commend 
you for bringing us all together.
    I want to express my gratitude to all the witnesses that 
appeared before us today.
    I want to thank all my members for being here, especially 
as we are ending, you know, the October recess. You all should 
know that it is an impressive number of members that showed up. 
It is because your cause, I think, is so sympathetic.
    Again, Ms. Chism and all the caregivers who are here in the 
room today, the Nation owes you a great debt of gratitude. We 
owe you more than gratitude. We owe you real support, and I 
will be working really hard with the chairman to make that 
happen. Thank you so much.
    The Chairman. I want to thank the Ranking Member and I 
agree with his remarks. I am going to associate myself with 
that and each one of the witnesses.
    Ms. Chism, I did not express it, and it is not easy to come 
before Congress, but I guarantee you the Ranking Member was 
right and the amount of members that made sure they were here 
to discuss this.
    I want to thank all of the witnesses, but I also want to 
thank all the caregivers that are out there in the audience 
today. Thank you for being here.
    We could not do our work without the advocacy that you do 
to inform us of the problems that we face, not only in the 
caregiver realm but also as we try to make sure that the VA is 
doing what the VA is supposed to do.
    Many of the issues that were raised today are addressed in 
the passage of H.R. 8371. That is the Dole Act. We appreciate 
your support.
    With that, I ask unanimous consent that all members shall 
have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their 
remarks and include extraneous material. Hearing no objection, 
so ordered.
    The hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:59 p.m., the committee was adjourned.] 
    

      
            
      
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                Prepared Statement of Colleen Richardson

    Good morning, Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and Members of 
the Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss VA's Caregiver 
Support Program (CSP). I am accompanied today by Ms. Laura Duke, VHA's 
Chief Financial Officer. VA understands the critical role caregivers 
have in supporting the needs of Veterans and the importance of 
supporting Veteran caregivers throughout their caregiving journey. VA 
is proud to be a leader in caregiver support through implementation of 
the Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers (PCAFC) 
and the Program of General Caregiver Support Services (PGCSS).
    The Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010 
(P.L. 111-163) mandated the creation of PCAFC and PGCSS. PGCSS is 
available to caregivers of Veterans of any era as long as the Veteran 
is enrolled in VA health care and needs personal care services. Through 
PGCSS, caregivers have access to skills training, coaching, peer 
support, telephone support, and respite care, among other services VA 
provides. PGCSS is available to a broader group of Veterans and 
caregivers than our other program PCAFC, which has been expanded 
several times. PCAFC was originally designed to support Family 
Caregivers of Veterans or members of the Armed Forces undergoing 
medical discharge who incurred or aggravated a serious injury in the 
line of duty on or after September 11, 2001, and who met other program 
requirements. Section 161 of the VA Maintaining Internal Systems and 
Strengthening Integrated Outside Networks Act of 2018 (P.L. 115-182) 
phased in expanded PCAFC eligibility to Family Caregivers of eligible 
Veterans. Accordingly, on October 1, 2020, PCAFC was expanded to 
eligible Veterans who incurred or aggravated a serious injury on or 
before May 7, 1975, and on October 1, 2022, PCAFC was expanded further 
to include eligible Veterans of all eras.
    Through PCAFC, Family Caregivers have access to all of the supports 
and services available through PGCSS. Family Caregivers in PCAFC are 
also eligible for instruction, preparation, and training to assist in 
delivering personal care services to the eligible Veteran, mental 
health counseling, and beneficiary travel. In addition, PCAFC 
designated Primary Family Caregivers are eligible for respite care, a 
monthly stipend, access to health care coverage through the Civilian 
Health and Medical Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs, and 
certain legal and financial services.
    Today, through PCAFC and PGCSS, CSP is supporting more caregivers 
of Veterans than ever before. As of September 20, 2024, over 25,000 
caregivers are receiving support through PGCSS, and over 62,570 Family 
Caregivers are participating in PCAFC. I appreciate this opportunity to 
share some of the work we have accomplished to deliver more support to 
more caregivers than ever before.
    CSP named Fiscal Year (FY) 2024 ``The Year of the Caregiver, The 
Whole Caregiver.'' Throughout the year, we have focused on enhancing 
the delivery of clinical support to caregivers and implementing other 
programmatic and process improvements based on feedback we heard from 
caregivers, Veterans, Veterans Service Organizations, and Members of 
Congress. I will briefly mention three areas in which we have been able 
to deliver exceptional results for caregivers, directly driven by the 
feedback we received.
    First, we have seen tremendous growth with caregivers using respite 
care. Respite care is a critical resource for caregivers since 
caregivers must take care of themselves so that they can care for their 
Veteran. Through our Respite Champions initiative, CSP trained Respite 
Champions within each Veterans Integrated Service Network (VISN) to 
serve as subject matter experts in the benefits of respite, respite 
resources, and respite funding. Since implementing the Respite 
Champions initiative, the number of caregivers using respite has 
increased by 278 percent since the end of Fiscal Year 2022.
    Additionally, we implemented a Virtual Psychotherapy Program for 
Caregivers (VPPC). VA can now offer virtual psychotherapy services to 
Family Caregivers participating in PCAFC. Through VPPC, VA is better 
able to address and provide the mental health counseling Family 
Caregivers request and deserve. CSP has activated clinical resource 
hubs in all 18 VISNs. As of September 6, 2024, VPPC completed over 
13,916 psychotherapy visits with Family Caregivers participating in 
PCAFC during FY 2024.
    Finally, we heard overwhelmingly from caregivers of their desire to 
receive Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Training--so we made it 
available. VA designed a process to train caregivers in CPR. As of 
September 6, 2024, CPR training for caregivers has been implemented at 
70 VA facilities and continues to grow. In addition, CSP collaborated 
with the American Red Cross to develop and publish a ``Hands-Only'' CPR 
video to train caregivers on this life-saving skill.
    These are just a few of the expanded clinical supports we have been 
able to deliver to caregivers over the past year. Through continued 
outreach, we will work to ensure caregivers are aware of these services 
and can access them, where and when it is right for them. These 
accomplishments do not overshadow VA's recognition that there is more 
work to be done to support of caregivers, and specifically more work to 
do to improve PCAFC.
    As you may know, on June 9, 2022, VA announced a suspension of 
annual reassessments with certain exceptions. This suspension includes 
annual reassessments of Veterans or Service members who applied for 
PCAFC or who were approved to participate in PCAFC before October 1, 
2020, and their Family Caregivers, collectively known as ``the legacy 
cohort.'' This suspension remains ongoing while we closely examine 
current PCAFC eligibility requirements and consider any changes that 
may be needed to ensure PCAFC is working as intended. As a result of 
this review and our continued deliberations, VA is now working to 
publish a notice of proposed rulemaking (RIN 2900-AR96) to propose 
amendments to the eligibility criteria, definitions, and other elements 
of the evaluation process for PCAFC.
    This rule will mark a significant step toward further improving 
PCAFC and delivering a program that meets the needs of eligible 
Veterans of all eras and their Family Caregivers. Once the proposed 
rule is published, VA will share it widely and encourage the public to 
submit comments and feedback about any changes being proposed. We will 
carefully consider all feedback received to determine whether 
additional changes may be needed.
    As the rulemaking process continues, we are committed to ensuring 
that Veterans and their caregivers have the care and support they 
deserve. We encourage Veterans and caregivers to visit our website at 
www.caregiver.va.gov to learn more about these programs and other ways 
VA supports caregivers. We also have CSP teams at every VA medical 
center, and information about how to contact these teams is available 
on the website.

Conclusion

    We are committed to always earning the trust of Veterans and their 
caregivers and will work hard to continue the improvements we have made 
thus far. Your continued support is essential to providing this care 
for Veterans and their families. On behalf of VA and CSP, we thank you 
for the opportunity to be here and welcome your continued 
collaboration.

                 Prepared Statement of Rajeev Ramchand

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                  Prepared Statement of Steven Schwab

Introduction

    Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and Members of the Committee, 
thank you for the opportunity to testify today. My name is Steve 
Schwab, and I am the CEO of the Elizabeth Dole Foundation (EDF), a 
national non-profit whose mission is to strengthen and support military 
and veteran caregivers, founded on the legacy and service of Senator 
Elizabeth Dole.
    Before I begin, I want to recognize the more than 60 Dole Caregiver 
Fellows we have in attendance today, as well as many more watching 
online. They have taken precious time away from their caregiving duties 
to watch and be here and will be visiting your offices this afternoon 
sharing their message of hope and calls to action for all Members of 
Congress. These caregivers provide a tremendous economic value, 
approximately $119 Billion at a minimum, according to the newly 
released RAND study. Beyond their economic value and even more 
importantly, they promote better outcomes for veterans, options for 
care both in and outside of the home, family cohesion, and community 
involvement. Simply put, their value to their loved ones cannot be 
overstated.
    In addition, given that so many of our caregivers will transition 
to veteran survivors, I also want to recognize that this is Gold Star 
Families Remembrance Week. In many ways, these caregivers and survivors 
have ``borne the battle'' mentioned in President Lincoln's speech and 
deserve all of the honor and support this Nation can offer.
    Yesterday, the Elizabeth Dole Foundation was pleased to welcome 
over 600 guests to our 9th Annual Convening launching the RAND study 
outlined by Dr. Ramchand in his testimony. This landmark study, 
released 10 years after the initial RAND report outlining challenges in 
military and veteran caregiver community, reflects what we see every 
day at EDF as well as in the moving testimony from our Dole Fellow, 
Vanessa Chism. We could not be more proud of her and her family for 
being willing to share their experiences to help others.
    In reviewing the new RAND report and considering our own everyday 
experiences with military and veteran caregivers, we have coalesced 
around four interconnected areas of focus, which will guide our 
programmatic and advocacy efforts moving forward.

Economic Mobility:

    As Dr. Ramchand testified, the RAND report identified multiple 
factors influencing the economic stability of caregivers. Lost wages, 
inability to plan or save for retirement, unforeseen out of pocket 
expenses, and unemployment because of caregiving duties all often 
result in financial strain and uncertainty on caregiving families. 
Family members often leave jobs to care for a loved one and can no 
longer contribute to retirement plans and lose valuable professional 
credentials over time. They also often find that their employers simply 
do not recognize the reality of life at home or give them the support 
they need, like paid family leave. We are proud to be able to provide 
Emergency Financial Relief through our Hope Fund supported by the Bob 
and Delores Hope Foundation, but we must do more. We must give 
caregivers and their families the opportunity to achieve not only 
short-term economic stability, but also long-term economic mobility to 
ensure the hope of a better life for generations to come. Fortunately, 
there are several actions Congress can take to address this and other 
situations to relieve some of the financial burden facing these 
caregivers:
    First, Congress must demand the immediate publication of the Notice 
of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) regarding the VA's Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers. (PCAFC). This program, 
which provides vital financial and other support to those caring for 
veterans with the most complex needs, has been an economic lifeline. 
However, since March 2022, the program has been on hold while the VA 
reviewed concerns related to its eligibility criteria. While we applaud 
the VA for recognizing and working to address the concerns, the agency 
and Administration have been working on an NPRM for almost 2 years, 
leaving those impacted in significant financial limbo. Numerous 
organizations, including EDF, recently sent a letter to the President 
requesting the publication of the proposed rule, and we would welcome 
Congress' oversight on this issue.
    In addition, EDF requests that consideration be given to the amount 
of demonstrated time a caregiver spends coordinating care for the 
veteran as part of the PCAFC assessment process. Veterans requiring 
degrees of supervision and protection are eligible for PCAFC, and 
ensuring access to health care and services should be a major 
consideration under this criterion.
    With respect to the legacy cohort of PCAFC participants, those 
Post-9/11 caregivers who were admitted to the program prior to 
September 30, 2020, yet again face an uncertain future due to the 
pending changes in eligibility requirements. Many of these caregivers 
have repeatedly been found eligible for the program over the years and 
endured multiple pauses, regulation and leadership changes, lack of 
previous program standardization, and questionable assessments. While 
they have benefited from the stipend, the emotional toil and financial 
uncertainty have weighed heavily on caregivers and veterans alike. 
Therefore, EDF asks Congress to work with the VA and relevant veteran 
service organizations to consider ``grandfathering'' this population of 
approximately 14,000 caregivers into PCAFC, except in cases of fraud or 
abuse, and allow the VA's Caregiver Support Program (CSP) to focus on 
its mission of supporting all generations of caregivers, rather than 
continuing this year's long struggle.
    With respect to legislation that would positively impact the 
economic mobility of family caregivers, EDF endorses the following:

      H.R. 7165/S. 3702, the Credit for Caring Act, introduced 
by Congressman Mike Carey and Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, and endorsed 
by our partner, AARP, which would offer a $5,000 tax credit to eligible 
working family caregivers, both veteran and civilian, to offset the 
over $8,500 in out-of-pocket caregiving expenses incurred every year. 
This legislation would clearly remove some of the financial strain 
experienced by these families, especially those veterans who are either 
not associated with the VA or have experienced difficulty accessing the 
programs and services available to them and, instead, pay out of pocket 
for their needed goods and services.

      H.R. 9276/S. 3885, The Veteran Caregiver Reeducation, 
Reemployment, and Retirement Act introduced by Congressmen Morelle and 
Ciscomani. For many enrolled in PCAFC, their caregiving role will come 
to an end, hopefully due to improvement in the veteran for whom they 
care, but, sadly, often due to the passing of the veteran. This 
legislation would do many things to alleviate the caregiver's financial 
strain and anxiety, including extend enrollment in the Civilian Health 
and Medical Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs (CHAMPVA) for 
up to 180 days after disenrollment from PCAFC, allow the VA to pay 
caregivers up to $1,000 to maintain professional licensure, study the 
feasibility of establishing a retirement plan for family caregivers, 
and study the barriers and incentives to hiring former family 
caregivers to work for the VA.

        While EDF strongly endorses this legislation, we also suggest 
        an amendment to help alleviate a current inequity related to 
        retirement planning for parents enrolled in PCAFC who care for 
        their service-disabled child--currently approximately 2,500 
        individuals. The VA offers a program called Dependency and 
        Indemnity Compensation; a monthly tax-free monetary benefit 
        offered to eligible survivors. This program is often a 
        financial lifeline for those who are eligible, and spouse 
        survivors are rightfully not subject to an income threshold. 
        Parent caregivers, however, are subject to an income threshold, 
        in some cases as low as approximately $18,000/year. For 
        example, Christine Cooley of Florida cared for her severely 
        combat-injured Marine son, Josh, until he passed away last 
        October. As a single mother, she was his caregiver for 17 years 
        following his severe injuries. Now at age 73, she is unable to 
        return to work. Because she is a parent, she is subject to the 
        DIC income limit, and her $23,000 annual social security 
        payment exceeds the threshold. With Social Security now her 
        sole source of income, she is in danger of losing the home she 
        shared with her son after his injury.

        As Congress considers H.R. 9276, EDF requests that the 
        Committee consider abolishing or greatly increasing the DIC 
        income limits for non-spouse caregivers enrolled in PCAFC, 
        currently approximately 18,000 caregivers, allowing them to 
        plan for retirement and leaving them far less financially 
        vulnerable when their caregiving roles come to an end.

      H.R. 3651, the Love Lives on Act of 2023 introduced by 
Congressmen Dean Phillips and Richard Hudson. As I mentioned 
previously, military and veteran caregivers often become survivors, and 
many caregivers we encounter have significant concerns about what 
happens to them financially if/when the veteran passes away. In 
addition to the grief they experience, they also can experience benefit 
loss. Among other things, the legislation would allow surviving spouses 
to retain the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) and Dependency and Indemnity 
Compensation (DIC) upon remarriage at any age and allow surviving 
spouses to maintain eligibility for education benefits under the Fry 
Scholarship and Dependents Education Assistance upon remarriage or if 
that marriage subsequently ends due to death, divorce, or annulment. 
Finally, it allows remarried surviving spouses to regain their TRICARE 
benefits if that marriage subsequently ends due to death, divorce, or 
annulment.

Mental Health and Wellness

    The second and third focus areas identified by EDF through the 
findings in the RAND report are a need to support the mental health and 
wellness of the caregiver and to address the unique needs of children 
in the caregiving home.
    As Dr. Ramchand noted in his report, the mental health toll on 
family caregivers is tremendous, with 43 percent of those caring for a 
veteran under the age of 60 meeting the criteria for depression, and a 
staggering 22 percent of that same population reporting suicide 
ideation. Thirty-six percent of those caregivers wanted mental health 
treatment but did not get it, mostly because they lacked the time to do 
so or feared how being hospitalized or taking medication would impact 
their ability to care for their loved one. The good news is that we, as 
a society, have raised awareness of the need to identify mental health 
needs. Now we need to identify ways to address them more easily.
    At the same time, 27 percent of military and veteran caregivers are 
also raising a child, and 39 percent of those children help with at 
least one caregiving task. It is important to note that, in addition to 
assisting with activities of daily living like administering medication 
and feeding, young children are also learning to modify their behavior 
to avoid ``triggering'' a parent or, like Vanessa said, for those with 
cognitive issues, learning to remind their dad why he is at the grocery 
store. Supporting these families and ensuring safe households for 
veterans and their families is not only the right thing to do; it is 
also the smart thing to do, as many of these children often grow up 
with a desire to serve in the military themselves.
    Keeping this data in mind and to ensure better outcomes for 
caregivers, the veteran, and the entire family, the Elizabeth Dole 
Foundation recommends and endorses the following:

      Expand Access to mental health care beyond those enrolled 
in PCAFC. The recent availability of mental health support for veteran 
caregivers enrolled in PCAFC has served as a lifeline for many who 
previously struggled without access to care. While caregiving for a 
loved one can be incredibly rewarding for the caregiver and often is 
vital for the well-being of the veteran, the mental health toll on 
caregivers can be daunting, as has been noted above. Therefore, we 
encourage Congress to, at a minimum, broaden access to mental health 
care for those beyond PCAFC to include those enrolled in the Program of 
General Caregiver Support Services (PGCSS) under CSP.

      H.R. 3581 the Caregiver Outreach and Program Enhancement 
(COPE) Act, introduced by Congresswomen Jen Kiggans and Chrissy 
Houlahan, would improve access to mental health support for veteran 
caregivers by establishing grant programs that support their overall 
mental health and well-being. This type of support serves the caregiver 
and the veteran for whom they are providing care by addressing the 
stress, anxiety, and depression that can be associated with caregiving. 
It also gives options to caregivers who may not be comfortable or 
eligible to get services through the VA. While this legislation has 
passed in the House of Representatives, we strongly support its final 
passage in both Houses of Congress.

      H.R. 8165, the VA Marriage and Family Therapists Equity 
Act. introduced by Congresswoman Julia Brownley, would expand access to 
professional therapists for caregivers and veterans by removing an 
outdated licensing requirement that limits the availability of 
appropriate qualified therapists. Due to the nature of caregiving and 
the general stress on families today, EDF is seeing, anecdotally, a 
significant increase in the number of marriages, families, and children 
that need support. This legislation would go a long way toward 
addressing the availability of needed therapists.

      Identify/Develop a scale to accurately measure the 
caregiving intensity of those caring for individuals with mental health 
and cognitive disorders. The RAND report notes that while scales exist 
to measure caregiver intensity, they may be biased in how they are 
constructed by assigning higher intensity levels to those providing 
support with Activities of Daily Living, such as helping care 
recipients bathe or dress, versus those caring for individuals with 
mental health and cognitive deficits. Given that the report also cites 
a higher incidence of mental health and cognitive issues for care 
recipients under the age of 60, as well as a higher incidence of mental 
health needs among their caregivers, it is important that a scale be 
developed to accurately measure their caregiving intensity, so we may 
better understand and attend to their needs.

Improving the Care Ecosystem for Veterans and their Caregivers

    Given the expansive nature of RAND's report, as well as our daily 
experience with caregivers, the fourth focus area identified by EDF is 
the need to Improve the Care Ecosystem for Veterans and their 
caregivers to ensure the remaining needs of this population were 
captured. This broadly encompassing area includes a focus on 
improvement and increased access to programs and services that enhance 
and promote both the veteran and caregiver's whole health. EDF notes 
that, while potentially eligible, veterans and their caregivers must 
navigate a complex array of benefits and services to find the right 
``Easter Egg'' and often are not aware of programs that could benefit 
them. In addition, there are gaps and outdated restrictions on many 
programs that limit access to those in need. The near constant effort 
to identify resources and advocate on behalf of the veteran can weigh 
heavily on both the caregiver and veteran.
    In recognition of this struggle and the effort to improve the care 
ecosystem in the clinical setting, in the home, and in the community, 
EDF recommends the following:

      Addressing the current Veterans Health Administration 
(VHA) Budget Shortfall. While we appreciate that Congress acted quickly 
to address the funding shortfall for the Veterans Benefits 
Administration, the challenge remains to fund VHA at appropriate levels 
to ensure veterans and their caregivers receive needed and earned care 
and services. While the Caregiver Support Program is a small part of 
the VA, the impact of the shortfall on this program shows the overall 
impact at the operational level for veterans and their caregivers. 
Abolishing front line positions to disguise need, hiring freezes, a 
lack of clinical providers and social workers, and budget cuts to vital 
programs like respite that were just finally gaining traction, 
endangers veterans and caregivers.

        In addition, prior to the identification and announcement of 
        the shortfall, multiple new programs impacting veterans, 
        caregivers, and survivors were on track for full 
        implementation. The Family Resource Coordination Program 
        intended to connect families with needed services both inside 
        the VA and in the community to prevent many of the issues we 
        have heard about today has now gone from a phased 
        implementation plan at each VA Medical Center with a full-time 
        dedicated employee to a pilot program. This will certainly 
        delay access to this service for many caregivers and families 
        in need. The Survivor Assistance and Memorial Affairs program 
        housed under VHA is designed to offer personalized supportive 
        services to families, caregivers, and survivors at the end of a 
        veteran's life is now unable to move forward as planned at each 
        VA medical center. Last, the establishment of a lead social 
        worker at the VISN level to standardize services, establish 
        training protocols and serve as a point of contact for 
        exceptionally complex cases was put on hold. All these programs 
        and services are intended to connect caregivers and families 
        with resources before a crisis occurs and could potentially 
        promote cost savings in addition to the added peace of mind for 
        the

      Expansion and Further Adoption of the Campaign for 
Inclusive Care. EDF partnered with the VA to train clinicians and staff 
on the practice of inclusive care through our Campaign for Inclusive 
Care. The program is intended to improve the health outcomes for the 
veteran, reduce the stress and burden on the caregiver, and reduce 
burnout on the part of providers because of more effective visits. CIC 
also shows promise in reducing VA costs by minimizing ER visits and 
increasing medication adherence, promoting better outcomes for the 
veteran and family. The program has been well received and veterans and 
caregivers would benefit from its further expansion.

      Passage of H.R. 4518, The Care Act of 2023 introduced by 
Chairman Tester and Senator Braun establishing the ``Pathway to 
Advocacy''. This legislation would allow knowledgeable organizations to 
assist veterans and caregivers in navigating VA services and supplement 
overwhelmed social workers.

      Discussion and passage of H.R. 9399, the Coordinating 
Care for Senior Veterans and Wounded Warriors Act recently introduced 
by Congressmen Morelle and Ciscomani. The VA is implementing its new 
Care Coordination and Integrated Case Management program which could be 
helpful for some veterans. For those with the most complex needs, this 
legislation creates a pilot program to offer a higher level of 
assistance and is a firm step forward in the establishment of more 
effective care coordination. We look forward to continuing to work with 
the Committee on this important issue.

      Passage of H.R. 542, the Elizabeth Dole Home and 
Community Based Services for Veterans and Caregivers Act of 2023, 
introduced by Congresswoman Julia Brownley and modified favorably in 
the Senate. In addition to the Caregiver Support Program, the VA has 
many programs that, if accessed, benefit caregivers both directly and 
indirectly, most of which are housed under Geriatric and Extended Care 
(GEC). At EDF, we see and hear about the positive things that can 
happen when veterans and caregivers are connected by caring and 
passionate providers and social workers to the programs and services 
that enhance their care and their quality of life. Additional respite 
services, Veteran Directed Care, Home-Based Primary Care, and the 
Homemaker Home Health Aide programs are just some of the programs that 
support veterans in their homes and can serve as a lifeline for 
veterans and caregivers in need. Where available, the Veteran Directed 
program, for example, has incredibly high satisfaction rates. The 
program, a joint offering from the VA and the Department of Health and 
Human Services, offers veterans and caregivers greater choice and 
control over their care and services. They can use the program to hire 
familiar friends and family to provide unskilled care--especially 
important to those with mental health needs and traumatic brain 
injuries--transportation, skilled care, and other goods and services. 
They can supervise their own employees and hire support during the 
hours that are needed, rather than being held subject to agency hours 
and restrictions. In addition, this program has been incredibly helpful 
to those who struggle with getting appropriate care in their homes 
either due to contracted agency employee absences or the general dearth 
of HHA providers around the country, as noted in the President's April 
2023 Executive Order, Increasing Access to High Quality Care and 
Supporting Caregivers. Unfortunately, despite being created in 2008 and 
demonstrating success since then, Veteran Directed is still not 
available in every VA medical center. In many cases, VA staff are 
unfamiliar with the program, even if it is supposedly available at the 
facility, or the program exists in name only, without the appropriate 
staff available to ensure its availability and success. For example, 
Mary Ward, a Dole Caregiver Fellow, cares for her 100 percent service-
disabled veteran husband and 14-year ALS patient, Tom, who receives 
care from the Durham VA Medical Center. Mary is an astute and effective 
advocate for Tom. In 2019, once she found out another high-need veteran 
in the area was enrolled in the Veteran Directed Program, she began the 
process of trying to get Tom enrolled. However, over the intervening 
years, she has been told repeatedly that the program was still 
unavailable in Durham, a large VA medical center--again, even though 
another veteran was already enrolled. Finally, after significant effort 
on Mary's part and intervention from EDF, the VA reversed course and 
Mary was told recently that the agency would try to enroll Mr. Ward in 
an existing area of coverage for the Veteran Directed Program. If 
enrolled, Mary will be able to hire her own home health and respite 
care to ensure Tom's needs are met. This should not and cannot be this 
difficult for veterans and caregivers.

        As a result of situations like Mary and Tom's, Congresswoman 
        Brownley thankfully introduced the The Elizabeth Dole Home and 
        Community Based Services for Veterans and Caregivers Act. In 
        addition to mandating that every VA medical center provides the 
        Veteran Directed Program, the legislation, as modified in the 
        Senate, takes a holistic approach to ensuring this and other 
        GEC programs and services are offered and appropriately 
        staffed. It also attempts to ensure that caregivers have access 
        to information on available programs and services in a 
        centralized location and requires the coordination of other 
        available services if a caregiver is denied or discharged from 
        PCAFC for reasons other than waste, fraud, or abuse.

        Most notably, the legislation increases the expenditure cap for 
        non-institutional care from 65 percent to 100 percent of the 
        cost of the closest VA Community Living Center (CLC). This 
        allows the most vulnerable veterans and caregivers the support 
        they need to stay in their homes, often leading to better 
        outcomes for the family. The removal of the cap would have 
        helped people like Dole Fellow Lara Garey from Austin, TX, who 
        cared for her 100 percent service-disabled veteran, Tom, until 
        his death in July 2022. Because of the mandated cap, Lara 
        constantly had to fight with the VA to get the appropriate 
        support in their home so Tom could continue to enjoy movie 
        nights with the family, opening gifts on Christmas morning, 
        attending concerts, and even being present for their son's high 
        school graduation--all of which he would have missed if he were 
        in a facility 2 hours away. It was Tom's greatest wish to 
        remain in their home and maintain as normal a life as possible 
        in such an abnormal situation. He wanted to be surrounded by 
        the peace and love of his family during the hardest of times. 
        He deserved that choice, and Lara fought every day until his 
        death to make that possible.

        Rapid, Thoughtful Expansion of the Veteran Directed Respite 
        Pilot. As the VA works to improve support for veteran 
        caregivers of all generations, we would like to commend the 
        Caregiver Support Program for its efforts to dramatically 
        increase the use of traditional respite care for eligible 
        individuals by over 200 percent through the enactment of 
        ``respite champions,'' VA employees whose job it is to support 
        access and coordinate services for those seeking to use respite 
        services. In addition, the VA has recently launched a pilot 
        program in 10 sites providing access to respite care through 
        the Veteran Directed program, allowing caregivers and veterans 
        the ability to hire their own respite services. This is 
        especially beneficial for those with specialized needs, 
        including severe mental health and cognitive disorders, as they 
        can hire and hire providers familiar to them during the hours 
        of their choosing.

Call to Action

    Fortunately, many of the pieces of legislation mentioned above, the 
Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act, the COPE Act, The Care Act of 2023, and 
the Love Lives On Act were included in H.R. 8371, the Elizabeth Dole 
21st Century Veterans Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act. While 
the passage of the original Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act is the top 
priority for EDF, the overall package, to which Senator Dole was also 
proud to lend her name, includes numerous additional provisions 
designed to benefit veterans and caregivers including:

      Enhanced access to care in the community for those for 
whom it has been determined by their clinician to be in their medical 
best interest.

      Enhanced access to residential rehabilitation for 
vulnerable veterans.

      A long-awaited pilot program to assess the effectiveness 
of and satisfaction with assisted living services, giving veterans and 
caregivers options in their care.

      Enhanced burial and education benefits for survivors.

Conclusion:

    At the Elizabeth Dole Foundation, we focus on issues that directly 
impact caregivers and issues of significant interest to them. Many of 
the challenges outlined here and in the RAND report can be addressed 
through continued oversight and the legislative initiatives mentioned 
above. Specifically, the Senator Elizabeth Dole 21st Century Veterans 
Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act, which enjoys strong support 
from all major veteran service organizations, would provide, in many 
cases, immediate relief to those in need. We urge Members of the House 
to reach out to trusted veteran, caregiver, and survivor advocacy 
organizations to hear their perspective on this legislation and then 
ensure its swift passage. Veterans and caregivers have been waiting for 
2 years for Congress to take action on many of the provisions in the 
bill, and they simply cannot wait any longer for its life-changing, and 
likely life-saving provisions.
    Thank you Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to your questions.

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                  Prepared Statement of Troy Broussard

    Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and members of the Committee, 
thank you for inviting AARP to testify today. My name is Troy 
Broussard, and I am the State Director for AARP Kentucky. AARP, which 
advocates for the more than 100 million Americans age 50 and older, 
including over 430,000 Kentuckians, appreciates the opportunity to 
provide testimony at today's hearing about supporting the veteran 
caregiver community. It is my distinct honor to also have the 
opportunity to testify before my own Member of Congress, Representative 
McGarvey. As a proud Army Desert Storm Veteran and someone who played a 
pivotal role in leading AARP's National Veterans & Military Families 
Initiative (VMF), I look forward to sharing with you AARP's work to 
support our Nation's family caregivers, including those specifically 
caring for our veterans and military families. They are indeed everyday 
heroes.

AARP Supports Family Caregivers Broadly Including Military and Veteran 
Caregivers

    One of AARP's top priorities is supporting our Nation's more than 
48 million family caregivers by providing them with resources and 
tools, advocating for greater support for them at the Federal, State, 
and local levels, providing resources to employers to support their 
caregiving employees, conducting leading research on family caregiving, 
and working with hospitals, health systems, and other stakeholders to 
improve support for family caregivers. Family caregivers help older 
adults, veterans, and people with disabilities live independently in 
their homes instead of being forced into nursing homes. Family 
caregivers need commonsense solutions that will save them time and 
money and provide them with more support.
    Every day, family caregivers assist their older parents, spouses, 
siblings, grandparents, adult children, and other loved ones so they 
can live independently in their homes--where they want to be. They help 
with everything including meals, bathing, dressing, chores, medications 
and medical care, finances, grocery shopping, transportation, 
coordinating care across multiple providers and care settings, 
advocating on their loved one's behalf, and much more.
    Family caregivers are the backbone of a broken long-term care 
system, providing $600 billion in unpaid labor annually, saving 
taxpayers billions. Without them, America's health and long-term care 
systems would collapse. Without family caregivers' support, many older 
Americans would be forced into costly nursing homes with the government 
and taxpayers paying the bill. Some family caregivers help a few hours 
a month while others are on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. On 
average, family caregivers provide almost 24 hours of care a week, and 
thirty-two percent of family caregivers provide at least 21 hours of 
care to their loved one each week. More than one in four family 
caregivers (29 percent) provide care for 5+ years.
    More than six in ten family caregivers (61 percent) work full-or 
part-time. On average, they are working around 35 hours per week. The 
time they spend caregiving can be the equivalent of another part-or 
full-time job. Caregivers may choose to or have to make changes to 
their work situation, given their caregiving responsibilities. Six in 
ten family caregivers say they have experienced at least one impact or 
change in their employment situation due to caregiving, with about half 
going in late, leaving early, or taking time off to provide care. 
Caregivers also cut back on hours, take a leave of absence, give up 
working entirely, or retire early. These changes often impact income, 
access to employer-sponsored benefits and retirement savings, which can 
have long-term consequences.
    Sandwich generation caregivers, caring for an older family member 
or friend and raising children or grandchildren, are juggling even 
more, often in addition to paid employment. Sandwich generation 
caregivers are generally ages 35-64 (increasingly including Gen Z and 
millennial caregivers) and are more likely than other caregivers to be 
working while caregiving. They also report being more emotionally and 
financially strained. A sandwich generation caregiver could be an adult 
son or daughter caring for a parent who is a veteran while also caring 
for children or a parent caring for an adult child who is a veteran and 
an older relative.
    Family caregivers often spend time searching for resources, 
information, support, and services for the person they are assisting or 
themselves as a caregiver. Over half (56 percent) of family caregivers 
advocate with care providers, community services, or government 
agencies on behalf of their loved one. One in four want help figuring 
out forms, paperwork, and eligibility for services. Among those 
coordinating care, 31 percent find it difficult to do so. Terri in 
Indiana cares for her husband, who served in the Air Force. She has 
used some of AARP's caregiving resources and she also receives some 
important support from the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), 
including the VA paying Terri to take care of her husband and having a 
ramp installed on the house to accommodate a wheelchair. The ramp was 
also covered through the VA. At the same time, she also faces 
challenges, such as health care providers being dismissive and not 
appropriately communicating with her about her husband's care.
    Nearly six in ten caregivers (58 percent) assist with medical/
nursing tasks, such as injections, tube feedings, wound care, operating 
equipment, and more. African American/Black and Hispanic/Latino 
caregivers more often help with medical/nursing tasks than do white 
caregivers, and caregivers of spouses/partners more often assist with 
such tasks than all other caregivers. It is important to note that 
veterans may experience unique physical and/or mental health 
challenges, given their service, which can be even more complicated and 
challenging to address. Too often, family caregivers do not receive the 
education and training they need to assist them in performing medical/
nursing tasks. AARP has worked with others to conduct research 
specifically around family caregivers performing medical/nursing tasks.
    Family caregivers also face financial challenges. More than three 
in four family caregivers (78 percent) are incurring out-of-pocket 
costs due to caregiving. Caregiving is costly both in terms of out-of-
pocket expenses paid to assist their loved ones and potential income 
and retirement savings foregone. An AARP report found that family 
caregivers spend, on average, 26 percent of their income on caregiving 
expenses or over $7,200 annually. The 26 percent is a measure of 
financial strain. The financial strain is higher for African American/
Black and Hispanic/Latino family caregivers who spend, on average, 34 
and 47 percent, respectively, of their income on caregiving expenses 
annually. AARP Research has found that family and others who provide 
care for veterans spend on average $11,500 of their personal income on 
out-of-pocket costs related to caregiving each year, more than fifty 
percent higher than for family caregivers overall. The support provided 
by caregivers also helps save taxpayer dollars by assisting in delaying 
or preventing expensive nursing home care and unnecessary hospital 
stays. Nearly half of family caregivers have experienced at least one 
financial setback due to caregiving, such as using their personal 
savings, cutting their own healthcare expenditures, or reducing 
retirement savings. The out-of-pocket expenses that many family 
caregivers incur are on top of the financial impacts that can occur due 
to reducing hours or leaving paid employment entirely.

AARP's Leadership to Support Our Nation's Family Caregivers, Including 
Military Veteran Caregivers

    AARP has long worked to support our Nation's family caregivers 
through our advocacy, resources and tools for caregivers, research, 
work with employers, and more. Our goal is to help shine a spotlight on 
family caregiving and bring about the changes needed to support family 
caregivers in the public and private sectors.

Resources

    AARP is dedicated to providing resources, information, and tools to 
support our Nation's active duty, veterans, and their family 
caregivers. Physical, emotional, and financial challenges face 
caregivers broadly. At the same time, caregivers of veterans may also 
face unique or different challenges than civilian caregivers. Family 
caregivers of veterans face higher out-of-pocket costs than civilian 
caregivers, on average, as previously noted. Caregivers may also face 
unique challenges in caring for a veteran affected by the wounds of 
war, and who may have unique or more complex physical, emotional, or 
mental challenges. Veteran caregivers may provide care earlier and 
longer than other caregivers, often due to service-related injuries. 
Military caregivers consistently experience worse health outcomes, 
greater strains in family relationships, and more workplace problems 
than non-caregivers.
    Care options and available resources can be different for 
caregivers of veterans, including the availability of the VA Caregiver 
Support Program. Caregivers of veterans can have access to some 
resources and support not available to civilian family caregivers. It 
is important that caregivers of veterans have access to the benefits 
for which they are eligible. As with civilian caregivers, spouses, 
parents, siblings, children under age 18, other relatives, friends, and 
neighbors can take on an array of tasks to assist a veteran in living 
independently. AARP joined the Elizabeth Dole Foundation, Wounded 
Warrior Project, and others as a member of the Hidden Helpers Coalition 
regarding support and services for military caregiver kids and youth. 
AARP cosponsored the documentary, Sky Blossom: Diaries of the Next 
Greatest Generation, about teens and twenty-somethings caring for a 
veteran parent or grandparent.
    AARP has developed specific resources for military and veteran 
caregivers. These resources can be accessed through AARP's Veterans, 
Active Duty, and Military Families page (www.aarp.org/veterans) and 
AARP's Family Caregiver Resource Center. Resources AARP provides for 
caregivers of veterans include:

      Military Caregiving Guide for Veterans, Service Members 
and Their Families from AARP and the Elizabeth Dole Foundation-this 
includes information, a glossary of terms to know, resources, and 
checklists to help the caregiver organize and find the support they 
might need. The guide outlines five key areas that family caregivers 
face.

      AARP Financial Workbook for Veteran and Military Family 
Caregivers-this is a practical guide focused on health, housing, and 
money management to help a caregiver get organized. Each set of 
worksheets is designed for the caregiver to capture the essential 
information they need to manage the complex responsibilities of 
caregiving.

      Mental Health and Emotional Support Guide for Veteran and 
Military Family Caregivers from AARP and the Elizabeth Dole Foundation-
this guide includes five self-care tips, warning signs of a mental 
health crisis, and resources and support.

      Veterans and Military Families Health Benefits Navigator 
(also available to print here)-this is a tool to help veterans and 
their family members find and obtain service-related health benefits. 
The navigator can help you to learn more about health benefits provided 
through the VA and Department of Defense (DoD); understand how to apply 
for VA or other Federal health care programs; and identify how to get 
free help from certified representatives who have experience and 
knowledge of the VA's process for awarding benefits.

      Veterans Home Modification Benefits Guide-this guide 
helps to connect veterans and military families with financial 
assistance programs to modify their homes.

    These and other free handbooks on an array of issues are also 
available here. The Elizabeth Dole Foundation, AARP, and the Chamber of 
Commerce Foundation's Hiring Our Heroes Program has also developed 
``Supporting Military and Veteran Caregivers in the Workplace: A 
Practical Guide for Employers'' as a resource to support military and 
veteran employees and help shape policies and procedures that focus on 
supporting military and veteran employees. We have also worked to share 
information about the PACT Act. For example, in July 2023, AARP hosted 
a nationwide PACT Act Tele-Town Hall on expanded health care benefits 
and services available to veterans and their families from the VA under 
the law. AARP developed this short document about benefits available 
under the PACT Act.
    AARP works on the national, State, and local levels to provide 
resources to military and veteran caregivers. AARP Kentucky is working 
closely with the Kentucky Department of Veterans Affairs (KDVA) 
supporting and sharing Military Caregiving resources at a recent Women 
veterans resource event. AARP Kentucky staff and volunteers shared 
resources that included a specific Military Caregiving guide that 
provides step-by-step instructions on how to prepare to become a 
successful caregiver to a veteran.
    AARP established a Veterans Fraud Center to learn more about the 
latest scams targeting the military community. Veterans, active-duty 
service members, and their families are nearly 40 percent more likely 
than civilians to lose money to scams and fraud. AARP has an AARP 
Watchdog Alert Handbook: Veterans Edition to find out more about the 
common scams and schemes con artists use to steal money and personal 
identities from veterans, service members, and their families and how 
to stay safe. Veterans and their families can report a scam or fraud to 
AARP's Fraud Watch Network online or at 1-877-908-3360 Monday through 
Friday 8 am - 8 pm EST to help warn others. Operation Protect Veterans 
is a joint program of AARP's Fraud Watch Network and the U.S. Postal 
Inspection Service (USPIS). The initiative provides free resources and 
community programs to proactively spot scams and deliver helpful 
guidance from fraud specialists if you have been targeted.
    For family caregivers broadly (including military and veteran 
caregivers), AARP has a wide variety of articles, tips, tools, guides, 
and more to assist family caregivers with their caregiving 
responsibilities and help with self-care. Caregivers can access these 
resources in our Family Caregiver Resource Center (www.aarp.org/
caregiving or www.aarp.org/cuidar).
    We also have a toll-free family caregiving resource line that can 
suggest resources for caregivers on a variety of topics. The resource 
line, 1-877-333-5885, is available Monday through Friday from 8 am to 8 
pm EST. It is also available in Spanish at 1-888-971-2013.
    Members of the Home Alone Alliance-a collaborative of AARP, 
developed more than 50 instructional videos on common complex care 
tasks specifically created for family caregivers. The videos are free 
of charge, and many are available in multiple languages. The VA was 
involved in the development of the series of videos on mobility. 
Several VA hospitals currently use them as a resource for caregivers 
prior to discharge. We also work with hospitals and health system 
leaders to better recognize and support family caregivers. Efforts 
include a series focused on promising practices for systems seeking to 
be more inclusive of family caregivers and the development of a Family 
Caregiver Program Guide designed in collaboration with Chief Nurse 
Officers, that focused on helping system and clinical leaders execute 
policy and practice changes to better meet the needs of patients, their 
families, and the clinicians and social service providers who care for 
them.

Research

    AARP has been working on leading research on family caregiving for 
years. Below are some key examples:

    Valuing the Invaluable 2023 Update: Strengthening Supports for 
Family Caregivers-This report includes State specific data on the 
number of family caregivers, the value of the unpaid labor they 
provide, and more. This report pulls from multiple sources to profile 
who family caregivers are and the challenges they face and includes 
several first-person accounts of the experience. It takes a detailed 
look at recent developments and promising Federal and State policies 
that support family caregivers, as well as promising practices in the 
public and private sectors, including the positive representation of 
caregivers in popular media. It concludes with specific 
recommendations.
    Family Caregiver Considerations for the Future of Hospital at Home 
Programs-The Hospital at Home (HaH) model shifts care into the home 
setting and delivers acute hospital-level care to eligible patients 
where they live instead of in a hospital. This means that family 
caregivers may end up providing increased assistance to the HaH patient 
with activities of daily living and handling household chores (e.g., 
cleaning, laundry). This brief presents four detailed Family Caregiver 
Considerations that HaH models can incorporate into policy and program 
design to best support patients and family caregivers.
    Caregiving in the US 2020- This is a national report on family 
caregivers conducted by AARP and the National Alliance for Caregiving 
about every 5 years. In addition to the full report, there is an 
executive summary, profiles of different ``typical'' caregivers, an 
infographic and more. This provides an important overview of family 
caregivers in the US.
    Home Alone Revisited: Family Caregivers Providing Complex Care- 
This study builds on the landmark Home Alone study, which was the first 
national look at how family caregivers are managing medical/nursing 
tasks, such as managing medications, changing dressings, and other 
tasks in the home setting, that are typically performed by trained 
professionals in hospitals. Home Alone Revisited affirms many of the 
findings of the original 2012 study and adds new information about 
targeted issues.
    A Closer Look at Sandwich Generation Caregivers of Medicare 
Beneficiaries-Early research has shown the negative impact the 
compounded responsibility of caring for an older adult while still 
caring for young children can have on caregivers' physical health, 
well-being, and financial welfare. This report uses qualitative and 
quantitative data to depict sandwich generation caregivers to Medicare 
beneficiaries and the care they provide. Today, the combined dynamics 
of Americans delaying having children and younger generations taking on 
caregiving for older adults are leading to a new picture of what it 
means to be sandwiched between two generations who need daily care.
    2023 State Scorecard on Long-Term Services and Supports (LTSS) for 
Older Adults, People with Physical Disabilities, and Family Caregivers 
(Scorecard)-The Scorecard compares State LTSS systems across multiple 
dimensions of performance, reflecting the importance and 
interconnectedness each has on the overall LTSS system. Support for 
Family Caregivers is one of five dimensions across which states are 
measured. States that do well supporting family caregivers tend to have 
stronger overall LTSS systems; the scores and ranks of the Support for 
Family Caregivers dimension showed the highest correlation out of all 
five dimensions to overall State LTSS system performance.
    US Voters' Views on Support for Family Caregiving-According to this 
AARP poll, voters across the country want Congress to address family 
caregiving issues. This is especially true for those age 50 and older: 
over two-thirds of voters, and 75 percent of voters 50+, say it is very 
important for Congress to help seniors live in their own homes. More 
than half (57 percent) say the same for supporting unpaid family 
caregivers. An overwhelming majority of voters, 78 percent, are either 
a current, past, or future family caregiver. Over 70 percent of voters 
across the political spectrum say they would be more likely to support 
a candidate who backed proposals to support family caregivers, such as 
a tax credit, paid family leave, and more support and respite services.

Advocacy

    In Congress, AARP has worked with the bipartisan, bicameral 
Assisting Caregivers Today (ACT) Caucus co-chaired by Representatives 
Jen Kiggans (R-VA) and Debbie Dingell (D-MI) and Senators Michael 
Bennet (D-CO) and Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), to help shine a 
spotlight on family caregivers. The ACT Caucus raises awareness about 
the challenges facing family caregivers and advocates for policies that 
support them. We are also working to advance bipartisan legislation to 
improve support for and provide financial relief for family caregivers, 
including caregivers of veterans, including:

      Elizabeth Dole Home-and Community-Based Services for 
Veterans and Caregivers Act (H.R. 542) to expand access to current VA 
programs providing care at home and provide for improved coordination 
among VA's home-and community-based services and with the Program for 
All-Inclusive Care for the Elderly (PACE). The bill also improves 
transitions and access to services for veterans and family caregivers 
denied or discharged from the VA Program of Comprehensive Assistance 
for Family Caregivers (PCAFC), creates a centralized website for VA's 
caregiving resources, and increases respite care for veteran and 
military caregivers;

      Caregiver Outreach and Program Enhancement (COPE) Act 
(H.R. 3581) to establish a grant program to award funding to 
organizations that support the mental health and well-being of veteran 
and military caregivers enrolled in the VA's PCAFC. The bill also 
requires the VA and Government Accountability Office to provide 
Congress with a report on the mental health of veteran and military 
caregivers, the availability and accessibility of mental health 
treatment for veteran and military caregivers, and information on the 
grant program and its outcomes;

      Expanding Veterans' Options for Long-Term Care Act (H.R. 
1815) to establish a 3-year pilot program to assess the effectiveness 
of providing assisted living services to eligible veterans;

      Autonomy for Disabled Veterans Act (H.R. 2818) to 
increase the amounts available under the VA's Home Improvement and 
Structural Alterations (HISA) Grant program to $10,000 for veterans 
with a service-connected disability and $5,000 for veterans with a 
disability that is not service-connected. The legislation would allow 
veterans to make necessary adaptations for wheelchairs, medical 
equipment, and to improve accessibility throughout the veteran's home 
to help them remain at home;

      Veterans Protection from Fraud Act (H.R. 3956) to enhance 
penalties to help prevent fraud against our Nation's veterans and their 
families;

      Supporting Access to Falls Education and prevention and 
Strengthening Training Efforts and Promoting Safety initiatives (SAFE 
STEPS) for Veterans Act (H.R. 9179) to prevent falls among veterans by 
establishing an Office of Falls Prevention in the VA, establishing a 
public education campaign, developing research on falls prevention 
programs for veterans, helping to ensure safe patient handling and 
mobility policies, and more;

      Credit for Caring Act (H.R. 7165) to provide a non-
refundable tax credit of up to $5,000 for eligible working family 
caregivers to offset some of the out-of-pocket costs of caring for a 
loved one;

      Alleviating Barriers for Caregivers Act (H.R. 8018) to 
reduce red tape for family caregivers in Medicare, Medicaid, Social 
Security programs, and the Children's Health Insurance Program;

      Lowering Costs for Caregivers Act (H.R. 7222) to allow a 
family caregiver with a health savings account, flexible spending 
account, health reimbursement account, or Archer medical savings 
account to use funds in those accounts for the qualified medical 
expenses of parents or parents-in-law; and

      Connecting Caregivers to Medicare Act (H.R. 7274) to help 
inform people about Medicare's voluntary option for Medicare 
beneficiaries to allow family caregivers to access their health 
information through 1-800-MEDICARE. This can make it easier for 
caregivers to communicate with Medicare to help their loved one or to 
advocate on their behalf.

    Among the supporters of the Credit for Caring Act, Alleviating 
Barriers for Caregivers Act, and the Connecting Caregivers to Medicare 
Act are the Elizabeth Dole Foundation and Paralyzed Veterans of 
America. Other Veterans and Military service and support organizations 
have also shown previous support for a family caregiver tax credit.
    States across the country are also working to support family 
caregivers. In 2023 and 2024, AARP Oklahoma and AARP Nebraska 
successfully advocated for a tax credit for family caregivers in their 
states to assist with out-of-pocket costs. While both states capped 
their tax credits at $2,000 for most caregivers, they also established 
a higher maximum credit - $3,000 - for family caregivers who take care 
of a veteran.
    This year, AARP Maryland was instrumental in creating a Caregiver 
Expense Grant Program that will allow eligible family caregivers to 
apply for grants of up to $2,500 a year to cover expenses related to 
caring for someone 60 or older, and AARP Connecticut expanded its 
state's paid leave law to cover nearly all private sector employees. 
The new law broadens the range of family members for whom an employee 
may use leave, increases the rate at which employees accrue leave, and 
allows employees to use leave in more situations, including closures 
due to a public health emergency. Finally, in my home State of 
Kentucky, AARP successfully passed legislation to increase access to 
home care in Medicaid, an increase in funding for senior meals and 
numerous other provisions that will positively impact veterans and 
their caregivers.

Conclusion

    Thank you for your attention to the important issue of supporting 
veteran family caregivers. They help veterans live in their homes and 
communities. Family caregivers and military and veteran caregivers need 
and deserve our support and commonsense solutions that meet their 
needs. AARP is proud to support our Nation's military and veteran 
family caregivers through advocacy, resources, and research.

                 Prepared Statement of Jonathan Pruden

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  Prepared Statement of Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States

    Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and members of the committee, 
on behalf of the men and women of the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the 
United States (VFW) and its Auxiliary, thank you for the opportunity to 
provide our comments on this important topic.
    As a grateful nation, our mission is to support those who have 
defended our freedoms but how are we supporting the caregivers who have 
dedicated their lives to caring for our Nation's veterans? The 
Department of Veterans Affairs has come a long way in the services it 
provides to support the care of our Nation's veterans but there is 
still more work to be done. Caregivers make up a variety of people from 
spouses to children, parents, and even neighbors who work tirelessly to 
ensure that veterans have the best quality of life. Veterans who 
require caregivers are not only part of the aging population of 65 
years and older but also include Post 9/11 veterans with critical 
injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Post Traumatic Stress 
Disorder (PTSD), gunshot wounds, amputations, spinal cord injuries, 
etc.

Background

    Prior to 2010, the VA had an informal caregiver program. Caregivers 
assisting veterans who served prior to 9/11 tend to resemble civilian 
caregivers where they relied on local programs to assist. Informal 
caregiver training and resources including family caregivers of 
veterans were eligible for VA counseling and mental health services, 
and reimbursed attendants for travel expenses related to authorized VA 
treatment for the veteran were available by the VA. However, there was 
no dedicated program to address the unique needs of the veterans. When 
the veterans were unable to care for their daily needs, decisions were 
made by caregivers to ensure that their loved one would not be 
institutionalized. However, this resulted in emotional, financial, and 
physical strain on caregivers that led to burnout.
    It was in March 2007 when President George W. Bush established the 
President's Commission on Care for America's Returning Wounded 
Warriors, which was tasked with providing a comprehensive review of the 
care provided to injured military personnel returning from the wars in 
Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom/OEF) and Iraq (Operation Iraqi 
Freedom/OIF). The Commission resulted in six recommendations: (1). 
Modernizing and improving the disability and compensation systems; (2). 
Aggressively preventing and treating post-traumatic stress disorder and 
traumatic brain injury; (3). Significantly strengthening support for 
families; (4). Immediately creating comprehensive recovery plans to 
provide the right care and support at the right time in the right 
place; (5). Rapidly transferring patient information between the 
Departments of Defense (DoD) and Veterans Affairs (VA); and (6). 
Strongly supporting Walter Reed by recruiting and retaining first-rate 
professionals through 2011. Through these recommendations, the 
President was able to get a 77 percent budget increase to support 
veterans' healthcare.
    In May 2010, Congress passed the VFW-supported Caregivers and 
Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010 requiring that VA 
establish a range of new services to support caregivers of eligible 
Post 9/11 veterans. There were strict guidelines to eligibility 
requirements, 86 percent of the veterans who are enrolled in the 
caregiver program have a service-connected disability rating of 70 
percent or higher. A veteran must have incurred or aggravated a serious 
injury while serving in the military on or after Sept. 11, 2001. Due to 
the serious injury, the veteran must also now require assistance with 
the management of their personal care and functions involved in daily 
life. This assistance must be needed for a minimum of six continuous 
months based on a clinical decision, and then receive continuous care 
from a Patient Aligned Care Team or another VA health care team which 
is in the best interest of the veteran. The veteran must also agree to 
receive ongoing care at home by the designated family caregiver, and 
those services provided by the caregiver may not be provided by any 
other individual or entity. The payment structure was based on a 3-tier 
system which was determined by how many hours of care a week were 
needed based on the clinical decision.
    To comply with this legislation, VA created two new caregiver 
programs. The first, the Program of General Caregiver Support Services 
(PGCSS) established peer support mentoring, skills training, coaching, 
telephone support, online programs, and referrals to available 
resources to caregivers of veterans. The second, the Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers (PCAFC) expanded 
benefits and services to include a Caregiver Support Line, a monthly 
stipend, health care coverage, legal and financial planning services, 
and travel expenses. However, members of VFW, some of whom were from 
World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, and 
various other conflicts, expressed concerns that there was no 
justifiable reason to exclude otherwise deserving veterans from program 
eligibility simply based on the era in which they served.
    After the push for veterans of all eras to participate in the PCAFC 
and as a part of the VA MISSION Act of 2018, the PCAFC was then 
expanded to veterans of all eras. In July 2020, VA published the final 
rule for the caregiver expansion program after a 16-month delay. The 
first phase of the expansion was implemented in Oct. 2020, adding 
veterans who served after May 7, 1975, and before Sept. 11, 2001. 
However, eligibility criteria requirements for acceptance into the 
caregiver program became rigorous. VA's definition of a serious injury 
for participation in the caregiver program as, ``any injury, including 
traumatic brain injury, psychological trauma, or other mental disorder, 
incurred or aggravated in the line of duty in the active military, 
naval, or air service on or after September 11, 2001, that renders the 
veteran or service member in need of personal care services.'' That 
definition was critical because it did not successfully define the 
inclusion of those who need the assistance of a caregiver due to 
debilitating illnesses that render a veteran unable to perform 
activities of daily living without the assistance of a caregiver, such 
as Parkinson's Disease and Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). While 
VA has never considered non-mental health illnesses when determining 
eligibility for the caregiver program, the Department of Defense's 
Special Compensation for Assistance with Activities of Daily Living 
(SCAADL) program did.
    In fall 2021, VA officials announced they would review all 
``legacy'' participants--individuals admitted before October 2020--to 
ensure they still met the criteria for participation. At the time, it 
was estimated that about one-third of the nearly 20,000 legacy 
participants could be dropped from the program because of eligibility 
changes. These issues have led to VA implementing a moratorium on 
involuntary revocations from the program until VA was able to analyze 
the thousands of recent revocations to determine if veterans are being 
erroneously removed from the program.
    While the VFW certainly agrees that veterans who have recovered 
from injuries and illnesses should be put on a path to achieve 
independent living and no longer require the assistance of a caregiver, 
such decisions must be made when the veteran and the caregiver agree 
and not by VA employees who lack the proper training and medical 
expertise to make such decisions. When a decision is made to graduate a 
veteran from the caregiver program, VA must ensure veterans and their 
caregivers are given the training and resources, such as employment 
training and independent living counseling, to ensure veterans can 
properly transition from needing a caregiver to performing activities 
of daily living without the assistance of others.
    On September 21, 2022, VA issued an interim final rule by extending 
eligibility for legacy participants, legacy applicants, and their 
Family Caregivers, and the applicable benefits afforded to such Family 
Caregivers, to include the monthly stipend, by 3 years. In Oct. 2022, 
the second phase of the implementation expanded the PCAFC program to 
all veterans leading to more than 74,000 veteran caregivers in Fiscal 
Year 2023. VA's Caregiver Annual 2023 Report indicated that 98 percent 
of PCAFC applications were processed within 90 days or less. The 
Caregiver Support line has received more than 150,000 calls, with the 
top three reasons being appeals, application status, and referrals. The 
national training curriculum has been provided in multiple languages 
and the approximately 2500 Caregiver Support Staff are receiving 
training to provide the adequate assistance and support needed to 
assist the caregiver.

Economic and Personal Hardships of Caregivers

    Parents and children of veterans are impacted in many ways when 
they become caregivers. Parents raise their children to become 
independent with the goal of the child caring for the parent's during 
their aging years but when a life-altering injury or illness occurs 
unexpected things happen. Sometimes these older parents have a 
difficult time caring for themselves and it becomes an emotional strain 
and burden on them to accept the role of caregiver to their child. 
Challenges that caregivers face are managing their time, lack of 
privacy, sleep deprivation, depression and isolation, and being afraid 
to ask for help. Children of veterans who suffer from an injury or 
illness may have to go through the process of growing up too soon by 
helping more around the house, some have a hard time understanding the 
significance of the injury or illness and the impact it has on them, 
and not having that emotional connection they yearn for as they are 
figuring out who they are in this world. Family and individual mental 
health services offer the support caregivers need, as they travel the 
road to recovery or a sense of normalcy.
    The economic hardships that veterans, their families, and 
caregivers face is substantial; families sacrifice a lot when a veteran 
is disabled and needs care and supervision. Often, the spouse, child, 
parent, or family friend must quit their job to meet the need. This 
sacrifice leaves a hole in the financial picture of the family. The 
Caregiver stipend should be increased to offset this sacrifice. Also, 
when a caregiver stops their outside employment, there is no 
contribution to Social Security, which is concerning for the caregiver. 
38 CFR 71.40 (c)(4)(1) and (2) report that the stipend amount for the 
PCAFC provides two levels of benefit. The VA approved Primary Caregiver 
for the veteran can receive a monthly stipend which is calculated by 
multiplying the monthly stipend rate by 0.625 and if the VA determines 
that the eligible veteran is unable to self-sustain in the community, 
the Primary Caregiver stipend would be calculated by multiplying the 
monthly stipend rate by 1.00. These caregivers are taking the place of 
a VA services and should be compensated as such.

Current VA Programs

    The VA Caregiver Program is a critical service provided to veterans 
and their families. For veterans, their families, caregivers, and 
future enrollees, the VA Caregiver Support Programs are critical. 
Improvements are necessary for the Caregiver programs to include 
Respite Services, Non-primary Caregiver Employment Support, and 
Modernization and Standardization of the systems used to process and 
adjudicate Caregiver Claims including Notification Letters. Caregivers 
are often on duty for 24 hours a day, the mental strain of caring for a 
loved one is complex and overwhelming at times and can lead to 
depression and burnout. The PCAFC provides respite services and CHAMPVA 
coverage. CHAMPVA is a cost-share program and is not insurance 
coverage. We know that an individual's mental health has a direct 
correlation to an individual's physical health. Respite services, if 
approved, are authorized up to 30 days of care in a calendar year and 
must be arranged in advance. The current types of Respite Care offered 
are: 1 visit of 30 days in a Community Living Center (VA Nursing Home); 
10 short stays of 3 days each; or you may have a Home Health Aide come 
to your home and stay for up to 6 hours in a row, day or night, with 
each of these visits counting as 1 day. Families can divide their 
approved respite care among the different types of Respite Care. When 
listening to the concerns of Caregivers the 30-day limitation for 
respite services does not adequately allow for unpredicted illnesses or 
emergencies that may arise that could impact their ability to complete 
their roles as a caregiver.
    VA approved Non-Primary Caregivers for veterans have limited 
protection if they must miss work to step in for the Primary Caregiver. 
There is no protection of their employment or financial offset when 
they do leave or miss work to provide this service. Providing 
employment protection to Non-Primary Caregivers under PCAFC would 
additionally relieve the mental burden and concerns of financial 
insecurity of those Non-Primary Caregivers, who do not receive all the 
same benefits that the Primary Caregivers receive under PCAFC.
    Unlike the process that the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA) 
has in place to process Disability Claims, Appeals, and other benefits 
administered under the Department of Veterans Affairs; the Caregiver 
Applications and Appeals process is administered under the Veterans 
Health Administration and does not provide the ability for Veterans 
Service Organizations and Accredited Representatives to follow these 
claims through the adjudication process, as seen in the VBA systems.
    The PCAFC claims are received and processed at the local VA Medical 
Centers, which lack standardization and oversight like compensation 
claims. Inconsistency in adjudicating these claims and processing 
notifications of decisions is causing undue mental and financial burden 
on these veterans, families, and caregivers. Much like the VA 
Disability Claims and Appeals letters sent to notify veterans of rating 
decisions, the Caregiver Notification letters are intended to 
communicate crucial information about the veteran's caregiver status, 
required process, and benefits within the program. However, the 
complexity of these letters often makes it difficult for the veteran to 
comprehend the status details and implications if further information 
or action is required.
    The VFW and the Veterans Service Organizations (VSO) community 
advocated for the simplification of decision notices, as well as 
standardized verbiage when recognizing the service of the caregivers 
and the loss of the veteran. It is understood that all the complex 
legal language is required to be included but recognition of service, 
and condolences should be upfront and not lacking compassion. Some 
letters that caregivers or veterans have received do not even include 
condolences for the loss and are straight to the benefits decision. 
Many decision letters do not provide adequate information for veterans, 
families, or caregivers to determine why the claim for caregiver status 
was declined. Some will come with a one-sentence explanation with no 
direct ``why'' which leaves even VSOs and accredited service officers 
guessing on how to proceed. And finally, standardization of the veteran 
eligibility process should be done as well. 38 CFR 71.20 reports 
veteran eligibility criteria for the PCAFC program. This regulation 
reports that for an individual to be eligible they must have had a 
serious injury incurred or aggravated by service, and VA defines 
serious injury as a 70 percent VA rating or a combination of 70 percent 
for disability, and they must be in need of personal care services for 
a minimum of six continuous months based on any ONE of the following: 
an inability to perform an activity of daily living (ADL); or a need 
for supervision, protection, or instruction. VA defines the inability 
to perform ADLs as a veteran or service member who requires personal 
care services each time he/she completes one or more of the following: 
dressing/undressing, bathing, grooming oneself in order to keep oneself 
clean and presentable, adjusting any special prosthetic or orthopedic 
appliance, that because of the disability, cannot be done without 
assistance, toileting, feeding oneself due to loss of coordination of 
upper extremities, extreme weakness, inability to swallow or the need 
for non-oral means of nutrition or mobility. The inability to self-
sustain in the community is defined by VA as the veteran requiring 
personal care services each time, he/she completes three or more of the 
seven activities of daily living listed above and is fully dependent on 
a caregiver to complete ADLs or has a need for supervision, protection 
or instruction. These criteria set for ADLs are clearly defined yet the 
inability to self-sustain in the community based on supervision, 
protection, or instruction is not defined at all.

VFW Recommendations

    The role of the caregiver is crucial to ensuring that veterans have 
the dignity of staying in their own homes while receiving care. We have 
listed some possible solutions that could further support the work and 
great service caregivers provide.

    (1). Congress should increase the stipend amount while providing 
coverage for Social Security points.

    (2). Recognizing that the role of a caregiver is highly stressful 
and VA should provide more comprehensive insurance coverage for the 
caregivers, providing for physical and mental health coverage.

    (3). Increase the number of respite days or allow a flex increase 
for those emergency or unpredictable situations that may arise. This 
will assist with the burden of care and help to improve the mental 
health of caregivers.

    (4). Provide employment protection services to approved Non-Primary 
Caregivers to help reduce financial burdens. This would help increase 
mental health and economic stability.

    (5). Standardize the caregiver program to include letters, along 
with modernizing the digital access of the PCAFC adjudication process 
like those that are accessible to VSOs through VBA.

    (6). Define the eligibility criteria for supervision, protection, 
or instruction, as it is not well defined. Also, standardize the 
implementation of the criteria as it should be standard practice, 
nationally.

    The VFW urges Congress and VA to be mindful of the sacrifices that 
families, friends, children, etc. selflessly accept to care for and 
support our Nation's veterans. The PCAFC provides a robust number of 
services that our caregivers greatly need and improving these services 
will allow for a greater quality of care. The VFW strongly urges 
Congress to pass H.R. 8371, The Senator Elizabeth Dole 21st Century 
Veterans Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act, which would enhance 
and reform the delivery of services at the VA by prioritizing veterans, 
their families, their caregivers, and their survivors. This bill would 
increase of expenditure cap for non-institutional care alternatives to 
nursing home care. It would authorize the Secretary to enter into 
agreements with Aging and Disability Resource Centers, area agencies on 
aging, or State agencies, as well as centers for independent living, 
Indian Tribes or Tribal organizations. It would also provide 
coordination with assistance and support services for caregivers, and 
provide a centralized website to access information and provide 
improvements to the Homemaker and Home Health aide program. These are 
critical improvements the program needs, and caregivers have waited 
long enough, and should not have to wait for another Congress to 
provide this help.
    Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, this concludes my statement. 
Again, thank you for the opportunity to offer our comments on this 
issue to the committee.

Information Required by Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives

Pursuant to Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives, the VFW has 
not received any Federal grants in Fiscal Year 2024, nor has it 
received any Federal grants in the two previous Fiscal Years.

The VFW has not received payments or contracts from any foreign 
governments in the current year or the preceding two calendar years.

                                 

          Prepared Statement of Paralyzed Veterans of America

    Chairman Bost, Ranking Member Takano, and members of the committee, 
Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA), would like to thank you for the 
opportunity to submit our views on the Department of Veterans Affairs' 
(VA) Caregiver Support Program. PVA members uniquely understand the 
value of caregiver support. While the VA provides essential health care 
services to severely disabled veterans, it is their caregivers that 
provide the day to day services needed to sustain their well-being. 
Caregivers are often the most important component of rehabilitation and 
maintenance for veterans with catastrophic disabilities because their 
welfare directly affects the quality of care veterans receive.

Affect of Funding Deficiencies in VA Health Care on Caregivers

    In June, PVA warned this committee that VA's Spinal Cord Injury and 
Disorder (SCI/D) system of care was not sufficiently funded to properly 
care for all of the SCI/D veterans on the department's registry. 
Veterans are not the only ones who suffer when health care services are 
unavailable or even eliminated. Often, their caregivers are forced to 
fill the gaps that result when critical services such as inpatient 
respite are eliminated or unavailable.
    Staffing levels for the SCI/D system of care are detailed in 
Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive 1176, which was last 
amended on February 7, 2020. PVA strongly believes in each of the 
requirements outlined in this directive because they are based on the 
level of care needed to maintain the health and well-being of veterans 
with SCI/D.
    For months, our staff in the field have been telling us critically 
needed positions at SCI/D centers were going unfilled. Now, essential 
positions across VHA are being ``lost'' due to an inability to recruit 
for them or even ``abolished.'' Specifically, many vacant positions in 
social work, nursing, and several therapy disciplines have been 
eliminated. Additionally, when medical staff leave, their vacated 
positions are often not being back filled causing strain on the system 
and ultimately denying veterans access to earned health care services.
    Eligible veterans are entitled to up to 30 days of respite care 
services per calendar year. These hours can be utilized for in-home 
care, depending on the family's preference and the veteran's needs. 
Normally, veterans with SCI/D are placed in one of VA's acute or long-
term care SCI/D centers to accomplish this. But in many parts of the 
country, insufficient funding coupled with the elimination of staff 
positions and unfilled vacancies has severely limited the availability 
of respite care.
    Earlier this year, the husband of PVA's National Senior Vice 
President needed back surgery. Our Senior Vice President is a 
quadriplegic and her husband is her primary caregiver. Despite the fact 
they live close to one of VA's larger SCI/D centers, VA was unable to 
provide respite prior to his surgery. A friend stepped in to help for a 
few days, but as soon as he was released from the hospital, her husband 
had to forego his own recovery and resume caring for her. In this 
instance, and in many others, VA is failing in one of its very basic 
obligations to SCI/D veterans. Something is very wrong here and we urge 
this committee to get to the bottom of it quickly.

Role of the VA's Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family 
Caregivers (PCAFC)

    VA's PCAFC is unique in that it is the only integrated program that 
provides caregivers with health insurance, a stipend, travel expenses, 
mental health care, respite care, and injury specific training. Without 
these support services the quality of care provided by the caregiver is 
likely to be compromised and the veteran is more likely to experience 
frequent medical complications and require long-term institutional 
care. Veterans who access PCAFC are medically stable enough to live 
outside an institution, but lack the functionality to care for 
themselves on an ongoing basis.
    Despite having been established nearly 15 years ago, executing the 
program continues to be challenging for the VA. As of August 5, 2024, 
the VA reported having 13,881 applications in process, but the 
department is no longer reporting the number of approved applications. 
Instead, they are reporting the percentage of approvals from the 
Veterans Integrated Services Network (VISN). Without being able to 
track the number of applications approved in comparison to the number 
of pending applications it is difficult to keep track of their 
progress.
    Recently, we learned that other specialty care areas, including 
VA's PCAFC, are also suffering with staffing shortages. PCAFC vacancies 
cannot be filled because they were not previously identified as 
``critical,'' and we understand that more than 125 of them have been 
eliminated. Now more than ever, it is important that Congress 
understand the important correlation between PCAFC, the SCI/D system, 
and the impact that understaffing due to funding deficiencies has on 
them.

Reforming VA's PCAFC to Better Serve Veterans and Their Caregivers

    VHA is working on a rulemaking to make changes to the current 
caregiver regulation and an announcement about those proposals was 
expected months ago. PVA joined 11 other advocacy groups in a letter to 
the President last month pressing the White House to release proposed 
changes to the PCAFC. While we wait for the proposed rule, we would 
like to highlight several concerns that consistently pose challenges 
for our members in accessing and benefiting from this critical program.
    First, we strongly believe that the PCAFC should be reformed to 
ensure that veterans' efforts to be independent, when possible, do not 
disqualify them from participating in this program. The current 
requirement for veterans to need assistance ``each time'' they perform 
an activity of daily living (ADL) \1\ is overly restrictive and fails 
to recognize the reality of living with a catastrophic disability. As a 
result, veterans have been unjustly denied participation in the PCAFC. 
Instead, VA should adopt a less stringent requirement, such as 
``regularly requires'' assistance.
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    \1\  38 C.F.R. Sec.  71.15.
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    In addition, we continue to be concerned by the requirement for 
veterans to have a 70 percent disability rating in order to be eligible 
for the PCAFC. As PVA noted in our May 2020 comments on the proposed 
rule, the necessary VA rating should be lowered to 50 percent or more; 
or as combined with any other service-connected disability or 
disabilities for a combined rating of 50 percent or more.'' Congress 
believed that these veterans were of the highest concern, and assigned 
them to VA health care priority group one, which is the highest 
priority group a veteran can be assigned.'' \2\ We firmly believe the 
current rating requirement is too restrictive as it has prevented many 
deserving veterans from being eligible for the program and it should be 
lowered to 50 percent.
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    \2\ Paralyzed Veterans of America, Comment Letter on Proposed Rule 
about the Program of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers 
Improvements and Amendments Under the VA MISSION Act of 2018 (May 5, 
2020).
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    VA should also address the onerous criteria for assignment to the 
highest tier under the PCAFC. Veterans with significantly different 
levels of disability are assigned to the lowest tier, because of the 
overly restrictive criteria for the highest tier. Our National 
President, who is a quadriplegic, is in the PCAFC and was assigned the 
lowest tier. Out of curiosity, he asked a nurse in the program what it 
would take for a veteran to be placed in the higher tier. Essentially, 
she told him the veteran would have to be bedbound and incoherent in 
order for that to happen.
    VA's current requirement fails to recognize that veterans who are 
able to have a measure of independence still may need significant 
caregiver assistance in completing their ADLs. PVA raised this concern 
in our comments to VA's proposed rule in May 2020. We noted that, 
``Requiring a veteran to be fully dependent on a caregiver each time he 
or she completes three or more ADLs will result in few veterans being 
eligible for the higher-level stipend. VA should reconsider this 
requirement because it works against the department's efforts to foster 
veterans' independence wherever and whenever possible and promotes 
total reliance on a caregiver.'' \3\ This concern has now become a 
reality and VA must remedy this problem when revising the PCAFC rule. 
In the alternative, VA should provide additional tiers to recognize the 
diversity of care needs and the burden on family caregivers.
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    In September 2022, VA announced the extension of legacy veterans 
and their family caregivers in the program through September 2025. The 
extension allows the department to continue supporting this cohort of 
veteran caregivers, while they worked to ensure that PCAFC met the 
unique needs of veterans of all eras and their caregivers. This cohort 
of legacy veterans and their caregivers are once again facing an 
uncertain future. Many of them have been found eligible for the program 
over the years and endured multiple pauses, regulation and leadership 
changes, lack of previous program standardization, and questionable 
assessments. The physical and emotional toll on them is tremendous, and 
they deserve some degree of certainty that will allow the Caregiver 
Support Program to focus on its mission of supporting all generations 
of caregivers.

Additional Supports Needed for Caregivers

    A 2023 AARP report titled, ``Valuing the Invaluable,'' \4\ 
determined that family caregivers provide an average of 18 hours of 
unpaid care per week. We have no doubt that commitment is even higher 
whenever a veteran is involved. Many caregivers of veterans are taking 
care of other family members and maintaining jobs outside the home. Too 
many are forced, however, to reduce their hours or leave the workforce 
entirely. The physical, emotional and financial toll of family 
caregiving is enormous so it is extremely important that VA and 
Congress do more for them.
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    PVA supports the Credit for Caring Act (H.R. 7165) which would 
provide an annual, nonrefundable Federal tax credit of up to $5,000 to 
eligible family caregivers to help address the financial challenges of 
caring for older parents, spouses, and other loved ones, while 
remaining in the workforce. Another PVA endorsed bill, the Alleviating 
Barriers for Caregivers (ABC) Act (H.R. 8018) would eliminate red tape 
for caregivers who interact with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social 
Security. Also, the PVA-supported Social Security Caregiver Credit Act 
(H.R. 3729) would provide credits under Social Security to ensure that 
caregivers are not penalized in retirement for taking time out of the 
workforce to perform caregiving duties. The changes enacted by these 
bills alone would go far in supporting those who care for the Nation's 
veterans at home.
    A growing number of veterans with chronic illnesses or other 
disabling conditions receive care from unpaid family members. Many of 
these family caregivers are also employed outside the home. While some 
are able to alter their work schedules or take time off from their jobs 
to provide hands on care, others are compelled to leave their jobs to 
assume a fulltime caregiver role. Numerous barriers often impede this 
important family decision, and the caregiver having access to their own 
health insurance is likely to be chief among them. The primary 
caregivers of veterans in PCAFC are fortunate because they receive 
medical insurance coverage through VA's Civilian Health and Medical 
Program (CHAMPVA). Granting access to CHAMPVA for other disabled 
veterans who are not eligible for the PCAFC or who are not 100 percent 
permanent and total would also benefit their caregivers, and keep many 
of these veterans out of much more costly, institutional long-term 
care.
    Finally, we cannot overlook the importance of passing the many 
caregiver-related provisions in the Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act (H.R. 
542) which have now been incorporated into the much larger omnibus 
package entitled, the Senator Elizabeth Dole 21st Century Veterans 
Healthcare and Benefits Improvement Act (H.R. 8371). This includes a 
requirement that the VA provide a personalized and coordinated handoff 
of veterans and caregivers denied or discharged from the PCAFC into any 
other home care program for which they may be eligible. Passage of this 
legislation is one of PVA's top legislative priorities in 2024. We urge 
Congress to complete action on this critically important legislation 
immediately after it returns in November.
    PVA would once again like to thank the committee for the 
opportunity to submit our views on supporting veterans' caregivers, and 
would be happy to take any questions for the record.

  Information Required by Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives

    Pursuant to Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives, the 
following information is provided regarding Federal grants and 
contracts.

                            Fiscal Year 2023

Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$479,000.

                            Fiscal Year 2022

Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$ 437,745.

                     Disclosure of Foreign Payments

Paralyzed Veterans of America is largely supported by donations from 
the general public. However, in some very rare cases we receive direct 
donations from foreign nationals. In addition, we receive funding from 
corporations and foundations which in some cases are U.S. subsidiaries 
of non-U.S. companies.

                                 

            Prepared Statement of Quality of Life Foundation

    Chairman Bost and Ranking Member Takano, and Members of the 
Committee, thank you for allowing Quality of Life Foundation's Wounded 
Veteran Family Care Program (QoLF WVFCP) to present our testimony to 
you about veteran caregivers and their needs through this statement for 
the record. Quality of Life Foundation is a national non-profit 
organization that was founded in 2008 to address the unmet needs of 
caregivers, children, and family members of those who have been 
wounded, become ill, or were injured serving this Nation. Since 2008, 
QoLF's mission evolved to include working directly with veterans and 
caregivers as they attempt to apply for and navigate the Program of 
Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers (PCAFC) and other 
clinical support programs within the Department of Veterans Affairs. 
Serving all generations, we focus on those with significant wounds, 
illnesses, or injuries, and find ourselves often assisting veterans 
with the most complex needs.
    As one of the few organizations working exclusively within the 
Veterans Health Administration (VHA), QoLF has been a prime witness to 
and help for caregivers utilizing many of the programs and services 
available within VHA. While we do NOT provide clinical recommendations 
of any kind, our role is to ensure that veterans and their caregivers 
are prepared for the PCAFC process, assist in drafting clinical appeals 
to ensure VHA is following its own regulations and directives, and 
assist veterans and their caregivers in navigating other programs and 
supports available to them.
    Our role allows us to see the positive things which happen when 
veterans and their caregivers are connected by caring, passionate 
providers and social workers to the programs and services that enhance 
both their care and quality of life. PCAFC, Respite, Veteran Directed 
Care, and the Homemaker Home Health programs are just some of the 
programs supporting veterans in their homes and serve as a lifeline for 
veterans and their caregivers in need. Unfortunately, we also see what 
happens when those especially vulnerable veterans and their caregivers 
are not connected to these vital resources.

Overview

    The recent RAND study, America's Military and Veteran Caregivers: 
Hidden Heroes Emerging From the Shadows, highlights that veteran 
caregivers often spend their time on a range of activities, including 
providing personal care, managing medical tasks, and handling 
administrative duties related to healthcare. Many caregivers also 
reported high levels of emotional and physical strain, with significant 
time dedicated to supporting their loved ones' mental well-being. This 
study underscores the need for additional support and resources for 
these caregivers to effectively manage their responsibilities. The RAND 
study validates the trends that Quality of Life Foundation's staff see 
on a daily basis when assisting veterans and their caregivers. And, as 
QoLF has done previously, we will again make recommendations for 
legislation that can assist those caregivers, this time with the 
backing of evidence from the recently released RAND study.

Problems:

    1. Veteran caregivers experience financial hardships. Military and 
veteran caregivers lose an average of $13,105 annually in lost wages 
and productivity due to their caregiving responsibilities. (RAND, viii) 
35 percent of military and veteran caregiver households live at or 
below 130 percent of the Federal poverty level, and less than 33 
percent of those households are using government programs that provide 
financial assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance 
Program, or SNAP. (RAND, viii-ix) In addition, fewer than half of 
veteran caregivers are able to take advantage of workplace 
accommodations, such as flexible hours, telecommuting, shortened work 
weeks, which would make their caregiving easier, thus contributing to 
income loss and higher caregiver burden. (RAND, ix)

    2. Veteran caregivers experience a high mental health burden. 
Specifically, 43 percent of military and veteran caregivers whose care 
recipients were under 60 met the criteria for depression. 20 percent of 
those caregivers had thought about suicide within the past 12 months, 
and 36 percent said they needed mental health help but did not access 
it. (RAND, vii). And 25 percent of caregiving military and veteran 
caregiving parents reported that their children needed mental 
healthcare. (RAND, viii)
    3. Veteran caregivers do not feel valued by veterans' healthcare 
teams. Veteran caregivers whose care recipients use VHA healthcare as 
their primary healthcare believe their input on the veteran is not 
valued. These caregivers also believe they are not included in 
healthcare decisions made by the veteran's healthcare team, despite 
being responsible for carrying out the treatment plan. Many caregivers 
feel that they must follow up on care and paperwork from the VHA 
healthcare team, and that their veterans experience healthcare delays. 
(RAND, x) Many of these caregivers are caring for veterans with complex 
wounds, illnesses, and injuries.

Recommended Solutions

    1. Pass the Veteran Caregiver Re-education, Re-employment, and 
Retirement Act (H.R. 9276). When the original legislation (PL 111-163) 
was passed creating the VA Caregiver Support Program (CSP), the 
unintended consequence of making the income from PCAFC an unearned 
income stipend was that included caregivers have no means to save for 
their own retirement or contribute to Social Security if there is no 
other earned income in the home. (Combat Related Special Compensation, 
VA Disability, and Social Security Disability Income are all considered 
unearned income and are the only income sources for many veteran-
caregiver households.) Because no prior program had existed to support 
caregivers in this way across the United States, the consequences for 
retirement and Social Security contributions were not understood at the 
time of the legislation. Caregivers first learned of the consequences 
after they attempted to make contributions to their pre-existing 
retirement accounts and were hit by fees for making unauthorized 
contributions.
    Additionally, caregivers have gaps in their resumes and lose their 
employment certifications while caregiving for their loved one. When 
their loved one either passes away or returns to independent 
functioning, caregivers need to return to the workplace and have to 
address these issues.
    Since the creation of the CSP, caregivers have been concerned about 
being able to prepare themselves for their retirement years. The 
Veteran Caregiver Re-education, Re-employment, and Retirement bill 
would study the issue of allowing caregivers to make contributions to 
Social Security and other types of existing retirement accounts.
    This bill would allow caregivers to have funds provided to renew 
their professional certifications, study the feasibility of caregivers 
being allowed to participate in a Department of Labor returnship 
program, and create a study to explore VA incorporating former 
caregivers into the VA workforce as personal care attendants which 
would assist VHA in filling gaps in its workforce.
    Ultimately, QoLF sees this bill as a way to support caregivers who 
voluntarily supported their veterans through wounds, illnesses, and 
injuries, while preventing them from falling into poverty and 
necessitating that they rely on public assistance programs after 
caregiving whether though aging out or through their veteran passing 
away. QoLF is not asking Congress to fund retirement for these 
caregivers, simply to find a pathway so caregivers have the option of 
funding their own retirement accounts.

    2. Pass the Credit for Caring Act (H.R. 7165). This legislation 
provides up to a $5000.00 non-refundable Federal tax credit for working 
family caregivers. The bill would help to offset a portion of 
caregiving expenses that veteran caregivers are paying out of pocket. 
It would cover home health aides, respite care, adult day care, etc.

    3. Legislate the language surrounding Activities of Daily Living 
and the level of assistance needed by the veteran to ensure the intent 
of Congress to allow ``regular assistance with an ADL'' to be the 
standard for PCAFC eligibility rather than the current assistance 
standard of ``each and every time a veteran performs an ADL.'' The 
requirement that a caregiver must assist a veteran with an Activity of 
Daily Living (ADL) ``each and every time'' it is completed for 
eligibility in PCAFC was reviewed by the courts. The Veteran Warriors, 
Inc. v. McDonough ruled that this strict interpretation of assistance 
with ADL's under VA's regulation was allowed under the legislation 
creating PCAFC. However, VA Central Office CSP has acknowledged that 
this strict interpretation is keeping veterans, especially older 
veterans, out of the program and penalizing veterans for being able to 
do anything for themselves which impedes progress in rehabilitation and 
potentially causes patient harm. Prior to the 2020 regulation governing 
PCAFC, the ADL standard for PCAFC was ``regular assistance'' which was 
in line with the standard for Supervision, Protection, and Instruction.
    By legislating this language, PCAFC would be opened to those 
caregivers who have previously been denied participation, thus allowing 
them to participate in PCAFC which would allow them financial 
compensation for responsibilities that they have been fulfilling for 
free and that has caused them to miss time at or leave their job, 
impacting their income.
    While QoLF would not normally ask Congress to legislate this 
language to such specificity, we do so in this instance. The regulation 
governing PCAFC has changed four times since the creation of this 
program in 2011, and we are currently waiting for a new proposed 
regulation to be published in the immediate future. In order to keep 
changes from being made each time there is new leadership at the helm 
of VA, we ask that Congress write the legislation into statute, 
preventing the legislative language that exists now from being 
continually re-interpreted by VA and necessitating the constant pauses 
in PCAFC that have occurred since the programs inception.

    4. Establish a cadre of specially trained case managers, similar to 
the Federal Recovery Care Coordination Program (FRCP) and potentially 
linked to the lead coordinator who can take on the most difficult 
cases. This would benefit the individual caregiver and veteran while 
freeing up the care managers and other case managers to serve more 
veterans. While most caregiver and veteran dyads can be accommodated by 
a simple phone call to a social worker or care manager, those with the 
most complex needs often need an individual with the training, 
competency, desire, and authority to request waivers, explore options, 
and develop integrated care plans.

    5. Ease the process of obtaining a case manager. It is difficult to 
obtain a case manager and very little public information exists to 
educate the veteran and the caregiver on case management. As a result, 
caregivers do most of the case management for their care recipients.

    If a caregiver were to look for a case manager the following might 
ensue: The Richmond, Virginia VAMC homepage only mentions case 
management once as a subheading for Post 9/11 M2VA Care. There is no 
mention of co-morbid complex care case management or of disease 
specific case management. If you click on Post 9/11 M2VA case 
management, the description is not about multiple disease/condition/
injury care, but more a description of transitioning back into civilian 
life after serving in the military. For those veterans that entered 
Afghanistan in 2001 or Iraq in 2003, should they look for case 
management services for multiple complex care needs, the description 
would not be one that would likely cause them to connect with the M2VA 
program or case managers. For any other veteran, not post 9/11, there 
is no mention of case or care management programs on the front page for 
that facility.
    So how exactly does a veteran know that these programs exist, know 
to ask for them, and know how to find them?

    6. Establish a ``Pathway to Advocacy'' for outside organizations to 
officially assist veterans and caregivers within VHA. QoLF strongly 
supports the recent Senate introduction of the CARE Act of 2023 which 
includes a provision requiring the Secretary to develop a process to 
train and recognize non-profit organizations to assist in the 
navigation of programs and services within the Veterans Health 
Administration, allowing support and assistance for caregivers in 
obtaining care for their veteran care recipients. While QoLF currently 
uses Releases of Information to advocate on behalf veterans and 
caregivers, such a process would allow certified organizations to work 
more effectively WITH social workers and care managers to better 
support the population we all serve.

    7. Pass the Elizabeth Dole Home Care Act (H.R. 542). QoLF strongly 
supports the passage of this act which provides expanded mental health 
care and respite care for veteran caregivers in the Program of General 
Caregiver Support Services who do not currently receive mental health 
care in support of their caregiving duties. This also honors veterans' 
decisions to be cared for in their homes by eliminating the home care 
cost cap that currently forces a veteran into a nursing home. 
Additionally, QoLF offered language in this bill that would ensure if 
veterans and caregivers were found ineligible for PCAFC, other programs 
the care recipient was qualified for would have to be identified and 
put in place before the caregiver could be removed from PCAFC or as a 
result of a denial of PCAFC. This would allow caregivers to feel 
supported.

Conclusion

    Quality of Life Foundation would like to thank the Committee for 
allowing us to offer these suggestions to improve the lives of military 
and veteran caregivers as well as the veterans for whom they care. We 
would be happy to answer any questions that you have.

                                 

                Prepared Statement of Blue Star Families

    Chairman Bost and Ranking Member Takano, thank you for holding this 
critically important hearing on ``Everyday Heroes: Supporting the 
Veteran Caregiver Community.''
    I am the Associate Director of Policy at Blue Star Families--the 
nation's leading grass-roots military family support organization, with 
over 300,000 members and impacting more than 1.5 million military and 
Veteran family members every year. By cultivating innovative programs 
and partnerships, Blue Star Families seeks to ensure no matter where 
their service takes them, our military and Veteran families always feel 
connected, supported, and empowered to thrive. This approach ensures 
military readiness and enhances retention and recruiting efforts.
    With 13 chapters strategically located across the country and a 
robust and secure digital presence, Blue Star Families provides both 
virtual and in-person support, creating a consistent and reliable 
presence that resonates with military, Veteran, guard, and reserve 
families. Our chapters are unique and serve as vital hubs where 
innovative programs, events, and services are offered, fostering a 
sense of community and connection. By providing opportunities to engage 
with civilian neighbors, institutions, and organizations, we aim to 
integrate military families seamlessly into their local communities.
    For well over 10 years, Blue Star Families has recognized 
caregivers in military families as a vital member of the military 
community and provided them with personalized and intimate programming 
and reliable resources. While our programs continuously innovate and 
adapt to evolving caregiver needs, the one thing that has remained 
constant is that Blue Star Families is a trusted ally and supporter for 
ALL caregivers.
    The term ``Military caregivers'' is currently defined as those 
caring for an active-duty or Veteran service member who has serious 
injuries or illnesses,\1\ likely caused by military service. This 
definition falls short of fully capturing the scope of caregiving for 
today's military family. ``Military caregivers'' are disproportionately 
wives caring for a spouse or partner with a military-connected injury, 
or sometimes adult children or battle buddies.\2\
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    \1\ Strong, J. (2018). Military Caregivers. Clinical Social Work 
Journal. 46. 156-163. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10615-018-0657-6
    \2\ Ramchand, R., Tanielian, T., Fisher, M.P., Vaughan, C.A., 
Trail, T.E., Batka, C., et al. (2014). Hidden Heroes: America's 
Military Caregivers. Santa Monica, CA: RAND Corporation, 2014. https://
www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR499.html.
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    Amending the term and referring to them instead as ``caregivers in 
military families'' allows for the inclusion of caregivers of all 
kinds.\3\ A caregiver in a military family may care for children with 
special needs, other family members with chronic conditions, aging 
parents and grandparents, battle buddies, and many others.\4\
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    \3\ Blue Star Families. (2021). Special report: Caregiving in 
military families. https://bluestarfam.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/
BSF_RCI_Caregiving_Report_2021.pdf
    \4\ Blue Star Families. (2021). Special report: Caregiving in 
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    Additionally, a significant yet often overlooked group of 
caregivers, commonly referred to as Hidden Helpers, has gained 
attention through the work of the Elizabeth Dole Foundation. These are 
children and youth who live in homes with injured or ill service 
members and Veterans.\5\ Despite their young age, they take on 
caregiving responsibilities, often without realizing the extent of 
their role.
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    \5\ Elizabeth Dole Foundation, Wounded Warriors Project, Hidden 
Helpers. (n.d.). What you need to know about hidden helpers. Hidden 
Heroes.https://hiddenheroes.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/EDF-
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    It is estimated that 2.3 million Hidden Helpers across the United 
States provide essential care and support to their loved ones.\6\ These 
young caregivers manage tasks ranging from assisting with daily 
activities to providing emotional support, all while balancing school 
and other personal commitments.
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    \6\ Malick, S., Sandoval, M., Santiago, T., Jacobs Johnson, C., 
Gehrke, A., & Metallic, E. (2022). Hidden helpers at the frontlines of 
caregiving: Supporting the healthy development of children from 
military and veteran caregiving homes (No. 
0cb41ff18c0a4064abd0dca2b83008a7). Mathematica Policy Research. https:/
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    Despite their critical contributions, many Hidden Helpers do not 
see themselves as caregivers. Instead, they view their actions as 
simply doing what is best for their family members.\7\ Blue Star 
Families 2021 Special Report on Caregiving also found this to be true 
of adult caregivers.\8\
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    \7\ Malick, S., Sandoval, M., Santiago, T., Jacobs Johnson, C., 
Gehrke, A., & Metallic, E. (2022). Hidden helpers at the frontlines of 
caregiving: Supporting the healthy development of children from 
military and veteran caregiving homes (No. 
0cb41ff18c0a4064abd0dca2b83008a7). Mathematica Policy Research. https:/
/hiddenheroes.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Hidden_Helpers.pdf
    \8\ Blue Star Families. (2021). Special report: Caregiving in 
military families. https://bluestarfam.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/
BSF_RCI_Caregiving_Report_2021.pdf
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    Caregivers in military families often have to balance caregiving 
responsibilities with the unique demands of the military lifestyle. 
This lifestyle brings its own set of challenges, frequently 
prioritizing military service obligations and daily job demands over 
family and caregiving needs. These challenges can include separations 
from the service member due to deployments or training, leading to 
periods of isolation from family and friends.
    These caregivers face the same military lifestyle challenges as 
their non-caregiver peers, but their issues are often intensified. For 
example, the stress of frequent moves not only disrupts the family 
routine but also complicates access to consistent medical care and 
support services for their loved ones.\9\ The service member's absence 
can leave caregivers solely responsible for managing the household and 
caregiving duties, adding to their emotional and physical burden.
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    \9\ Blue Star Families. (2021). Special report: Caregiving in 
military families. https://bluestarfam.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/
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    Furthermore, typical stressors of military life, such as financial 
instability and the pressure of adapting to new environments, carry 
different and more profound meanings for caregivers. The need to find 
new healthcare providers and support systems with each move is 
daunting, and the isolation felt during a service member's absence is 
more pronounced for those already under the strain of caregiving.
    Sustaining programs that support their well-being and self-care are 
essential, as they play a pivotal role in maintaining caregivers' 
health and happiness and the overall resilience of our military 
community.
    Our enduring partnership with the Veterans United Foundation 
remained steadfast in supporting the Caregivers Empowering Caregivers 
(CEC) Program, an integral program within Blue Star Families. This 
partnership enabled us to expand and enhance our program, which is 
focused on providing crucial resources, support networks, and education 
to empower caregivers.
    Dedicated to the principles of self-care, resource sharing, and 
community building, we offer a platform for caregivers to connect, 
share experiences, and develop strategies for self-care. We equip 
participants with the tools and resources to manage their caregiving 
responsibilities while prioritizing their own well-being.
    In 2022, the Blue Star Families of Dayton & Southwestern Ohio 
Chapter embarked on an inspiring initiative to strengthen community 
bonds and support students within Franklin City Schools and Lakota East 
Schools. This initiative led to the creation of the Purple Star & 
Hidden Helper Club, a beacon of togetherness and understanding for 
students with diverse backgrounds and experiences.
    The program started modestly with just six students but quickly 
expanded, eventually welcoming over 40 students. This diverse group 
included children of active-duty service members, Guard/Reserve 
members, Hidden Helpers, and civilian students. The club's growth 
highlighted its significant impact and the importance of such support 
systems within schools. Throughout the school year, these students 
gathered monthly, focused on the noble cause of fostering a sense of 
belonging and mutual support among students.
    This initiative is an excellent model of the importance of 
community-level stewardship, which supports military-connected children 
and fosters a broader sense of empathy and understanding among all 
students.
    In that same community in April 2023, during the Month of the 
Military Child, an extraordinary vision board activity took place, 
filled with laughter, creativity, and the delightful aroma of pizza. 
This special event was designed to foster new friendships, deepen 
existing bonds, and promote a greater understanding of military 
culture.
    For the Hidden Helper students, this initiative was significant. 
These students face the daily challenge of balancing their academic 
pursuits with caregiving responsibilities at home, creating a life 
filled with unpredictability and stress. The event offered them a 
cherished moment of respite and camaraderie, allowing them to relax and 
connect with peers who understood their experiences.
    The event fostered a sense of belonging and solidarity among the 
students. As they crafted their vision boards, they shared their dreams 
and aspirations, discovering common ground and building a network of 
mutual support.
    This is the story of the Purple Star & Hidden Helper Club, where 
every journey is shared, and no one walks alone. Through events like 
these, the club continues to foster a supportive and understanding 
community, celebrating the resilience and strength of military-
connected children and their caregivers.
    In 2023, Blue Star Families offered in-person Caregivers Empowering 
Caregivers programming in four of our Chapter locations nationwide. 
These in-person programs invite up to 20 caregivers in each location to 
be part of a cohort that meets four or more times during the year. 
These face-to-face interactions offer a secure environment for 
caregivers to come together, establish connections, and allocate 
dedicated time to prioritize their personal self-care journeys.
    The Caregivers Empowering Caregivers Program had 12 in-person 
cohorts and served 126 caregivers and Hidden Helpers. Data collected 
through the program's post-event surveys revealed diverse 
participation: 36 percent were Veteran spouses, 27 percent were active-
duty spouses, and 18 percent were Veterans. Furthermore, 45 percent 
identified as Black, Indigenous, people of color, or multiracial.
    The feedback was overwhelmingly positive. Every participant (100 
percent) felt respected, able to connect with others, and comfortable 
expressing themselves. This inclusive environment fostered a sense of 
community and belonging among the attendees.

Quotes from Participants

    The joy of seeing many military-affiliated caregivers taking some 
time out to relax, network, share experiences, and laugh brings great 
fulfillment to me.--Army Reserve Spouse

    I loved being able to talk to others who ``get it.'' Being a 
caregiver and a military spouse can be so isolating and lonely at 
times.--Active-Duty Air Force Spouse

    The survey also highlighted tangible outcomes from the cohort. Over 
41 new peer connections were established, creating a supportive 
caregiver network. Additionally, 73 percent of participants were 
introduced to new resources that could aid them in their caregiving 
roles. This exposure significantly enhanced their understanding of 
available support, with 73 percent reporting a deeper knowledge of 
local resources. Moreover, 54 percent of participants learned how to 
navigate these existing resources better, empowering them to utilize 
the support systems effectively.
    The Caregivers Empowering Caregivers cohorts provided a respectful 
and inclusive space for caregivers, facilitated meaningful connections, 
and increased awareness and understanding of valuable resources. This 
initiative by Blue Star Families has significantly impacted the 
participants, equipping them with the tools and networks necessary to 
support their caregiving journey.
    Blue Star Families continues to demonstrate its unwavering 
commitment to military and Veteran families through innovative programs 
and dedicated support. By creating a network of inclusive and 
empowering initiatives, we have made significant strides in ensuring 
that these families feel connected, supported, and empowered, no matter 
where their service takes them.
    The success stories and positive feedback from participants 
underscore the critical impact of Blue Star Families' work. Whether 
it's through supporting Hidden Helpers, facilitating new friendships 
and resource awareness, or offering a platform for self-care and mutual 
support, Blue Star Families has shown that a strong, supportive 
community is essential for the resilience and well-being of military 
and Veteran families.
    As we continue to evolve and expand our programs to meet the 
changing needs of our communities, Blue Star Families remains a trusted 
ally and steadfast supporter for all caregivers within military and 
Veteran families. Our dedication ensures that no military-connected 
family has to navigate their journey alone, reinforcing our role as a 
cornerstone of support and empowerment within the military and Veteran 
community.

Policy recommendations

      Extend the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs' Program 
of Comprehensive Assistance for Family Caregivers (PCAFC) \10\ for 
Legacy Participants and Legacy Applicants through Sept. 30, 2025.
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      Develop accommodations through the Department of 
Education for Hidden Helpers in K-12 and Higher Education settings to 
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allow for caring of family members.

      Develop tax credits for caregivers to promote financial 
stability.

      Promote work environments that are supportive of 
caregivers.

          A national campaign to address the stigma associated 
        with caregiving to ensure employers and others are supportive 
        of caregivers.

      Continue to conduct rigorous evaluations of those 
initiatives designed to support military and veteran caregivers.\11\
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    \11\ Ramchand, R., Dalton, S., Dubowitz, T., Hyde, K., Malika, N., 
Morral, A.R., Ohana, E., Parks, V., Schell, T.L., Swabe, G., Trail, 
T.E., & Williams, K.M. (2024). America's military and Veteran 
caregivers: Hidden heroes emerging from the shadows. RAND Corporation. 
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA3212-1.html

      Continue to conduct research that fully captures the 
breadth of caregiving and those who serve as caregivers.\12\
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    \12\ Ramchand, R., Dalton, S., Dubowitz, T., Hyde, K., Malika, N., 
Morral, A.R., Ohana, E., Parks, V., Schell, T.L., Swabe, G., Trail, 
T.E., & Williams, K.M. (2024). America's military and Veteran 
caregivers: Hidden heroes emerging from the shadows. RAND Corporation. 
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA3212-1.html

    Thank you for holding this important hearing. Please use Blue Star 
Families as a resource when you consider this or other matters of 
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