[House Hearing, 118 Congress]
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                   H.R. 6441, H.R. 7666, H.R. 8182,
                   H.R. 8517, H.R. 9062, H.R. 9165,
                 H.R. 9528, H.R. 10082, AND H.R. 10084

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                          LEGISLATIVE HEARING

                               before the

                     SUBCOMMITTEE ON FEDERAL LANDS

                                 of the

                     COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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                       Tuesday, November 19, 2024
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                     COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES

                     BRUCE WESTERMAN, AR, Chairman
                    DOUG LAMBORN, CO, Vice Chairman
                  RAUL M. GRIJALVA, AZ, Ranking Member

Doug Lamborn, CO                     Grace F. Napolitano, CA                   
Robert J. Wittman, VA                Gregorio Kilili Camacho Sablan,                  
Tom McClintock, CA                     CNMI                     
Paul Gosar, AZ                       Jared Huffman, CA               
Garret Graves, LA                    Ruben Gallego, AZ            
Aumua Amata C. Radewagen, AS         Joe Neguse, CO              
Doug LaMalfa, CA                     Mike Levin, CA        
Daniel Webster, FL                   Katie Porter, CA            
Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, PR         Teresa Leger Fernandez, NM                 
Russ Fulcher, ID                     Melanie A. Stansbury, NM            
Pete Stauber, MN                     Mary Sattler Peltola, AK            
John R. Curtis, UT                   Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, NY           
Tom Tiffany, WI                      Kevin Mullin, CA             
Jerry Carl, AL                       Val T. Hoyle, OR            
Matt Rosendale, MT                   Sydney Kamlager-Dove, CA       
Lauren Boebert, CO                   Seth Magaziner, RI       
Cliff Bentz, OR                      Nydia M. Velazquez, NY              
Jen Kiggans, VA                      Ed Case, HI            
Jim Moylan, GU                       Debbie Dingell, MI             
Wesley P. Hunt, TX                   Susie Lee, NV                   
Mike Collins, GA                                        
Anna Paulina Luna, FL                                         
John Duarte, CA                                             
Harriet M. Hageman, WY                                                                   
                    Vivian Moeglein, Staff Director
                      Tom Connally, Chief Counsel
                 Lora Snyder, Democratic Staff Director
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                     SUBCOMMITTEE ON FEDERAL LANDS

                       TOM TIFFANY, WI, Chairman
                     JOHN R. CURTIS, UT, Vice Chair
                     JOE NEGUSE, CO, Ranking Member

Doug Lamborn, CO                     Katie Porter, CA
Tom McClintock, CA                   Sydney Kamlager-Dove, CA
Russ Fulcher, ID                     Gregorio Kilili Camacho Sablan, 
Pete Stauber, MN                       CNMI
John R. Curtis, UT                   Mike Levin, CA
Cliff Bentz, OR                      Teresa Leger Fernandez, NM
Jen Kiggans, VA                      Mary Sattler Peltola, AK
Jim Moylan, GU                       Raul M. Grijalva, AZ, ex officio
Bruce Westerman, AR, ex officio

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                                CONTENTS

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Hearing Memo.....................................................     v
Hearing held on Tuesday, November 19, 2024.......................     1

Statement of Members:

    Tiffany, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Wisconsin.........................................     2
    Westerman, Hon. Bruce, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Arkansas, prepared statement for the record.......    86

    Panel I:

    Bentz, Hon. Cliff, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Oregon............................................     4
    LaMalfa, Hon. Doug, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of California........................................     6
    Clyburn, Hon. James E., a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of South Carolina....................................     7
    Scott, Hon. Austin, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Georgia...........................................     8
    Bishop, Hon. Sanford D. Jr., a Representative in Congress 
      from the State of Georgia..................................     9
    Vasquez, Hon. Gabe, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of New Mexico........................................    10
    Maloy, Hon. Celeste, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Utah..............................................    12

Statement of Witnesses:

    Panel II:

    Lohr, Steven, Director of Natural Resources, National Forest 
      System, USDA Forest Service, Washington, DC................    13
        Prepared statement of....................................    14
        Questions submitted for the record.......................    16

    Panel III:

    Glover, Hon. Tracy, President, Utah Sheriffs' Association, 
      Kanab, Utah................................................    22
        Prepared statement of....................................    24

    Eiguren, Elias, Treasurer, Owyhee Basin Stewardship 
      Coalition, Jordan Valley...................................    30
        Prepared statement of....................................    32

    Brennan, Sherri, Member, Public Lands Council, Sonora, 
      California.................................................    33
        Prepared statement of....................................    34

    Young, Jeff, President, Utah Cattlemen's Association, 
      Henefer, Utah..............................................    39
        Prepared statement of....................................    41
        Questions submitted for the record.......................    44

    Wilson, D.L., Solar Projects Manager, La Paz County, Parker, 
      Arizona....................................................    45
        Prepared statement of....................................    47

    Houston, Ryan, Executive Director, Oregon Natural Desert 
      Association, Bend, Oregon..................................    49
        Prepared statement of....................................    51
    Donaldson, Bobby, Executive Director, Center for Civil Rights 
      History and Research, Columbia, South Carolina.............    53
        Prepared statement of....................................    54
    Clark, Seth C., Executive Director, Ocmulgee National Park 
      and Preserve Initiative, Macon, Georgia....................    56
        Prepared statement of....................................    58
        Supplemental testimony submitted for the record..........    59

Additional Materials Submitted for the Record:

    Bureau of Land Management, Statement for the Record on H.R. 
      6441, H.R. 8517, H.R. 9062, and H.R. 10082.................    73

    National Park Service, Statement for the Record on H.R. 8182, 
      H.R. 9165, H.R. 9528, and H.R. 10084.......................    80

    Department of the Interior, Questions for the Record for Deb 
      Haaland....................................................    83

    Submissions for the Record by Representative Tiffany

        American Farm Bureau Federation, Letter to the Committee.    39

        Multiple conservation organizations, Statement for the 
          Record.................................................    88

        Multiple hunting and angler organizations, Letter to the 
          Committee..............................................    91

        National Parks Conservation Association, Letter to the 
          Committee..............................................    93

        PLC/NCBA/ASI, Letters to the Committee...................    94


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To:        Subcommittee on Federal Lands Republican Members

From:     Subcommittee on Federal Lands; Aniela Butler, Brandon Miller, 
        Taylor Wiseman, and Colen [email protected], 
        Brandon.Miller @mail.house.gov, [email protected], 
        and Colen.Morrow@ mail.house.gov; x6-7736

Date:     Tuesday, November 19, 2024

Subject:   Legislative Hearing on 9 Grazing and Public Lands Bills
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    The Subcommittee on Federal Lands will hold a legislative hearing 
on 9 grazing and public lands bills:

     H.R. 6441 (Rep. Vasquez), ``Ranching Without Red Tape Act 
            of 2023'';

     H.R. 7666 (Rep. LaMalfa), To require the Secretary of 
            Agriculture to develop a strategy to increase opportunities 
            to utilize livestock grazing as a means of wildfire risk 
            reduction;

     H.R. 8182 (Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia), ``Ocmulgee 
            Mounds National Park and Preserve Establishment Act'';

     H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar), ``La Paz County Solar Energy and 
            Job Creation Act'';

     H.R. 9062 (Rep. Curtis), ``Operational Flexibility Grazing 
            Management Program Act'';

     H.R. 9165 (Rep. Maloy), ``Public Land Search and Rescue 
            Act'';

     H.R. 9528 (Rep. Pallone), To redesignate certain 
            facilities at Paterson Great Falls National Historical Park 
            in honor of Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr.;

     H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz), ``Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and 
            Community Protection Act''; and

     H.R. 10084 (Rep. Clyburn), ``Renewing the African American 
            Civil Rights Network Act''.

    The hearing will take place on Tuesday, November 19, 2024, at 2 
p.m. in room 1324 Longworth House Office Building.

    Member offices are requested to notify Will Rodriguez 
(Will.Rodriguez @mail.house.gov) by 4:30 p.m. on Monday, November 18, 
if their Member intends to participate in the hearing.

I. KEY MESSAGES

     Grazing on public lands provides important conservation, 
            ecosystemic, and economic benefits to the American people 
            and federal land management agencies. H.R. 6441 (Rep. 
            Vasquez), H.R. 7666 (Rep. LaMalfa), H.R. 9062 (Rep, 
            Curtis), and H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz) each offer unique and 
            innovative reforms to grazing policy to increase 
            flexibility for Western ranchers and help support rural 
            economies.

     H.R. 8182 (Rep. Austin Scott of GA) would create Georgia's 
            first national park and elevate a unique area with rich 
            archeologic, historic, and natural resources to a crown 
            jewel of the National Park System.

     H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar) is a win-win solution that would 
            reduce the federal estate while supporting more domestic 
            energy production. This legislation helps support an all-
            of-the-above energy strategy and rural economies.

     H.R. 9165 (Rep. Maloy) would support local law enforcement 
            efforts by addressing the rising costs of search and rescue 
            operations on federal lands, ultimately enhancing public 
            safety.

     H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz) is a thoughtful solution to 
            address land management issues in Oregon in a collaborative 
            approach, avoiding a unilateral national monument 
            designation.

II. WITNESSES

Panel I (Members of Congress):

     To Be Announced

Panel II (Administration Officials):

     The Honorable Deb Haaland, Secretary, U.S. Department of 
            the Interior, Washington, D.C. [Declined to testify]

     Mr. Steven Lohr, Director of Natural Resources, National 
            Forest System, USDA Forest Service, Washington, D.C.

Panel III (Outside Experts):

     The Honorable Tracy Glover, President, Utah Sheriffs' 
            Association, Kanab, Utah, [H.R. 9165]

     Ms. Sherri Brennan, Member, Public Lands Council, Sonora, 
            California [H.R. 7666]

     Mr. Jeff Young, President, Utah Cattlemen's Association, 
            Henefer, Utah [H.R. 9062]

     Mr. Seth C. Clark, Executive Director, Ocmulgee National 
            Park & Preserve Initiative, Macon, Georgia [H.R. 8182]

     Mr. Elias Eiguren, Treasurer, Owyhee Basin Stewardship 
            Coalition, Jordan Valley, Oregon [H.R. 10082]

     Mr. D.L. Wilson, Solar Projects Manager, La Paz County, 
            Parker, Arizona [H.R. 8517]

     Mr. Ryan Houston, Executive Director, Oregon Natural 
            Desert Association, Bend, Oregon [H.R. 10082] [Minority 
            Witness]

     Dr. Bobby Donaldson, Executive Director, Center for Civil 
            Rights History and Research, Columbia, South Carolina [H.R. 
            10084] [Minority Witness]

III. BACKGROUND
Overview of Federal Grazing Policy

    Several of the bills on today's hearing affect ranching and 
grazing, including H.R. 6441 (Rep. Vasquez), H.R. 7666 (Rep. LaMalfa), 
H.R. 9062 (Rep, Curtis), and H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz).
    This overview provides general background information on federal 
grazing policy, while the subsequent sections provide detailed analysis 
on the individual grazing bills under consideration.
    Grazing on public lands provides important conservation, 
ecosystemic, and economic benefits to the American people and federal 
land management agencies, alike. This is especially true in the Western 
states, where roughly half the land is federally owned.\1\ The majority 
of grazing on federal land occurs on parcels managed by either the 
Bureau of Land Management (BLM) or the U.S. Forest Service (USFS). The 
BLM administers roughly 18,000 grazing permits and leases on nearly 155 
million acres of public land in almost 22,000 grazing allotments.\2\ 
Similarly, more than 95 million of the total 193 million acres managed 
by USFS are available for grazing, and nearly 6,000 permits for 
livestock and horses cover USFS land.\3\ In total, roughly 92 percent 
of the available grazing land managed by these agencies is utilized to 
graze livestock.\4\
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    \1\ Carol Hardy Vincent, ``Federal Land Ownership: Overview and 
Data,'' Congressional Research Service, February 21, 2020, https://
www.crs.gov/Reports/R42346.
    \2\ FY 2025 Bureau of Land Management Greenbook, U.S. Department of 
the Interior, accessed November 11, 2024, https://www.doi.gov/media/
document/fy-2025-bureau-land-management-greenbook.
    \3\ Carol Hardy Vincent, ``Grazing Fees: Overview and Issues,'' 
Congressional Research Service, March 4, 2019, https://crs.gov/Reports/
RS21232. Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Justification, United States 
Department of Agriculture Forest Service, accessed November 12, 2024, 
https://www.fs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/fs-fy25-congressional-
budget-justification.pdf.
    \4\ Anna T. Maher et al., ``An economic valuation of federal and 
private grazing land ecosystem services supported by beef cattle 
ranching in the United States,'' https://doi.org/10.1093/tas/txab054.
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    Both agencies operate under multiple-use and sustained-yield 
mandates which explicitly acknowledge livestock grazing as an approved 
activity.\5\ Because BLM and USFS are multiple-use agencies, lands 
available for livestock grazing are also generally available for, and 
compatible with, other purposes, like recreation and energy 
development. Science continues to demonstrate that grazing is not only 
compatible with rangeland management but also is vital to rangeland 
health. Earlier this year, for example, the U.S. Department of 
Agriculture released a study showing livestock grazing can limit both 
wildfire risk and invasive annual grasses.\6\ Livestock grazing can 
modify the range to make it more fire resilient and the presence of 
livestock on federal land decreases fire probability and severity.\7\
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    \5\ Carol Hardy Vincent, ``Federal Lands and Related Resources: 
Overview and Selected Issues for the 118th Congress,'' Congressional 
Research Service, February 24, 2023, https://www.crs.gov/Reports/
R43429.
    \6\ Kirk W. Davies et al., ``Ecological benefits of strategically 
applied livestock grazing in sagebrush communities,'' Ecosphere; May 
22, 2024, https://doi.org/10.1002/ecs2.4859.
    \7\ Id.
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    Public lands grazing delivers considerable cost-savings to federal 
land management agencies while adding economic value to rural 
economies. In fiscal year (FY) 2022, on USFS land alone, the forage 
utilized by the permitted livestock contributed $598,000 to the 
nation's gross domestic product and supported approximately 13,700 
jobs.\8\ Researchers found the ecological value of cattle grazing on 
federal lands is $1,043.35 of ecosystem services per beef cow, 
including benefits to wildlife and forage production.\9\ Additionally, 
apart from serving as great partners to the federal government, 
ranchers who engage in public lands grazing provide significant cost 
benefits. These ranchers pay a grazing fee and for land maintenance 
costs. They also frequently clear public trails, monitor recreation 
trends, observe wildlife movements, and respond first to wildfires and 
other natural disasters.\10\ Their activity provides substantial 
assistance to agency field staff who are responsible for monitoring 
millions of acres of public land.
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    \8\ Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Justification, United States Department 
of Agriculture Forest Service, accessed November 12, 2024, https://
www.fs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/fs-fy25-congressional-budget-
justification.pdf.
    \9\ Anna T. Maher et al., ``An economic valuation of federal and 
private grazing land ecosystem services supported by beef cattle 
ranching in the United States,'' https://doi.org/10.1093/tas/txab054.
    \10\ Dave Daley, California Cattlemen's Association, Testimony 
before the House Natural Resources Committee, August 11, 2023, https://
republicans-naturalresources.house.gov/UploadedFiles/
Testimony_Daley.pdf.
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    Despite the many proven benefits of grazing on public lands, BLM 
and USFS are often delayed in approving the permits necessary for 
grazing to occur. For example, as of November 2023, BLM had 10,845 
unprocessed grazing permits.\11\ BLM also processes permits at a rate 
slower than that at which they expire, meaning that BLM will never 
clear the backlog without policy changes.\12\ In FY 2025, for instance, 
the BLM expects to process only 1,100 grazing permits and leases while 
about 1,445 permits are scheduled to expire.\13\ To allow for 
continuity in grazing operations, Congress, in 2014, made permanent the 
automatic renewal of permits and leases that expire or are transferred 
while they are waiting for the evaluation process to be formally 
reissued.\14\ The law provided that the issuance of a grazing permit 
``may'' be categorically excluded from environmental review under the 
National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) when certain conditions 
apply.\15\ Several of the bills featured in today's hearing provide BLM 
and USFS with additional flexibility in administering grazing permits 
and leases.
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    \11\ FY 2025 Bureau of Land Management Greenbook, U.S. Department 
of the Interior, accessed November 11, 2024, https://www.doi.gov/media/
document/fy-2025-bureau-land-management-greenbook.
    \12\ Id.
    \13\ Id.
    \14\ Public Law 113-291, Carl Levin and Howard P. ``Buck'' McKeon 
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2015.
    \15\ Id.

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H.R. 6441 (Rep. Vasquez), ``Ranching Without Red Tape Act of 2023''

    Ever-expanding regulatory requirements have increased the cost and 
complexity of ranching on federal lands. For example, if a rancher 
wants to make improvements to existing fences and fence lines, wells, 
water pipelines, or stock tanks, they will encounter a lengthy approval 
process from the authorizing federal agency. Many minor improvements 
ranchers want to make would benefit the wellbeing of their livestock 
and improve the rangeland, yet they are unable to do so due to 
bureaucratic red tape. To address this problem, Representatives Vasquez 
(D-NM-02) and Curtis (R-UT-03) introduced H.R. 6441 to minimize the 
disruptions of grazing livestock on federal land. H.R. 6441 would 
require BLM and USFS to streamline the procedures for authorizing minor 
range improvements carried out by grazing permittees. If BLM or USFS do 
not respond to a request to undertake minor improvements under a 
grazing permit within 30 days, the bill provides the permittee 
authority to move forward on those minor improvements. S. 3322, 
sponsored by Senator Barrasso (R-WY), is the companion bill in the 
Senate.\16\
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    \16\ S. 3322; https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-
bill/3322.

H.R. 7666 (Rep. LaMalfa), To require the Secretary of Agriculture to 
        develop a strategy to increase opportunities to utilize 
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        livestock grazing as a means of wildfire risk reduction.

    Federal agencies must be equipped with all available tools to 
reduce wildfire risk, improve forest health, and minimize the 
vulnerability of communities in the wildland-urban interface. Targeted 
grazing is a proven method of reducing hazardous fuels and decreasing 
the speed and severity with which wildfires would otherwise rip through 
our forests and put vulnerable communities at risk. USFS consistently 
recognizes grazing as an effective tool for wildfire management and has 
listed grazing as a key aspect of the agency's Wildfire Crisis 
Strategy.\17\ Building on this progress, H.R. 7666 would direct USFS to 
expand the use of proactive, targeted grazing in fuels management 
programs to lower wildfire risk. Specifically, the bill would direct 
USFS to coordinate with grazing permittees to develop wildfire risk-
reduction strategies, including proactive fuels reduction to prevent 
wildfire and the use of grazing as a post-fire recovery strategy. An 
identical provision was included in the House-passed ``Fix Our Forests 
Act.'' \18\
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    \17\ Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Justification, United States 
Department of Agriculture Forest Service, accessed November 12, 2024, 
https://www.fs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/fs-fy25-congressional-
budget-justification.pdf.
    \18\ House Amendment 1205 to H.R. 8790, Representative LaMalfa, 
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/house-amendment/1205.

H.R. 8182 (Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia), ``Ocmulgee Mounds National 
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        Park and Preserve Establishment Act''

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    Proposed Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve map. 
Source: NPS, 2024.

    Few locations in the country rival the historical depth of the 
Ocmulgee River Corridor (Ocmulgee Mounds), located between Macon and 
Hawkinsville, Georgia. This area, which contains a mixture of lands 
managed by the National Park Service (NPS), U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
Service, U.S. Air Force, and state and private entities, contains 
important historical and archeological resources.\19\ According to the 
National Park Foundation, the current Ocmulgee Mounds National 
Historical Park conserves a ``continuous record of human life'' and 
habitation dating back 17,000 years to Ice Age hunters in the 
Paleoindian period.\20\ The area is notable for seven earthen mounds 
built by hand during the Mississippian Period (A.D. 900-1540).\21\ 
Early Mississippian people constructed the mounds with the aid of water 
from nearby rivers and used the finished structures for a variety of 
purposes, including as funeral sites, residences, and official meeting 
places.\22\ Later, the area was home to dozens of villages inhabited by 
the Muscogee (Creek) Nation until the mid-19th Century, when the Tribe 
was forcibly re-located to Oklahoma.\23\ In the 1920s, artifacts and 
graves were uncovered in this area, leading to the largest 
archaeological dig in American history from 1933 to 1941.\24\ During 
this period, archaeologists excavated more than three million items, 
such as pottery and tools.\25\
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    \19\ National Park Service, ``Ocmulgee River Corridor Special 
Resource Study,'' 2023, https://parkplanning.nps.gov/
document.cfm?parkID=415&projectID=91276&documentID=132895.
    \20\ Id. National Park Foundation, ``Ocmulgee Mounds National 
Historical Park,'' https://www.nationalparks.org/explore/parks/
ocmulgee-mounds-national-historical-park.
    \21\ Id. National Geographic, ``Could this be Georgia's first 
national park?, https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/
ocmulgee-native-american-site-georgia-first-national-park.
    \22\ Id.
    \23\ National Geographic, ``Everything you need to know about 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Park'', https://
www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/ocmulgee-mounds-national-
historical-park.
    \24\ National Geographic, ``Could this be Georgia's first national 
park?, https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/ocmulgee-
native-american-site-georgia-first-national-park
    \25\ Id.
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    Following this unprecedented discovery, calls to conserve the site 
began to gain momentum, and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt 
established the approximately 2,000-acre Ocmulgee Mounds National 
Monument on December 23, 1936.\26\ In 2019, the ``John D. Dingell, Jr. 
Conservation, Management and Recreation Act'' redesignated the area as 
a National Historic Park and authorized NPS to conduct a special 
resource study (SRS) determining the suitability and feasibility of 
designating the broader Ocmulgee River Corridor as a unit of the 
National Park System.\27\ In 2023, NPS concluded in its final SRS that 
the area was nationally significant and suitable for inclusion in the 
National Park System because it contained cultural and natural 
resources not already adequately represented within the System.\28\ Due 
to the large number of private parcels in the study area, however, NPS 
found that a broader designation would not be feasible and the study 
area did ``not meet all of the established criteria for new national 
park system units.'' \29\ Subsequently, more than 70 organizations, 
including the Muscogee (Creek) Nation and the Georgia Department of 
Natural Resources, joined an effort to designate the Ocmulgee River 
Corridor as the Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve. Proponents 
argue this designation, which would create Georgia's first national 
park, would elevate a popular area that attracts 150,000 visitors 
annually while protecting popular recreation activities such as hunting 
and fishing.\30\ Proponents also contend that a redesignation ``could 
attract up to 1.6 million annual visitors and create upwards of $287 
million dollars annually.'' \31\
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    \26\ Id. National Geographic, ``Everything you need to know about 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Park'', https://
www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/ocmulgee-mounds-national-
historical-park.
    \27\ Public Law 116-9.
    \28\ National Park Service, ``Ocmulgee River Corridor Special 
Resource Study,'' 2023, https://parkplanning.nps.gov/
document.cfm?parkID=415&projectID=91276&documentID=132895.
    \29\ Id.
    \30\ Id. Georgia Conservancy, ``Ocmulgee National Park & Preserve 
Initiative,'' https://www.georgiaconservancy.org/ocmulgee-national-
park.
    \31\ Information based on a study conducted by the National Parks 
Conservation Association and the James L. Knight Foundation. ``5 Under 
40: Seth Clark,'' Macon Magazine, August/September, 2022, https://
maconmagazine.com/5-under-40-seth-clark/.
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    H.R. 8182 would re-designate the current 2,000-acre Ocmulgee Mounds 
National Historical Park as the Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and 
authorize the creation of Ocmulgee Mounds National Preserve on the date 
on which the Secretary of the Interior has acquired sufficient land to 
constitute a manageable unit. The bill creates a co-management system 
between NPS and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation for the National Park and 
Preserve, which would be a first-of-its-kind management system for 
units of the National Park System. Additionally, the bill sets up a 9-
member advisory council, authorizes 126 acres of land to be held in 
trust for the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, establishes a hiring preference 
for Muscogee (Creek) Nation members, and contains provisions related to 
the continued use of military activities.

H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar), ``La Paz County Solar Energy and Job Creation 
        Act''

    Approximately 95 percent of the land in La Paz County, Arizona, is 
under federal, state, or Tribal management, with only five percent of 
the land available for private ownership.\32\ BLM is the largest single 
land manager in this rural county, controlling roughly 58 percent of 
the total land mass.\33\ The county's economy is primarily dependent on 
tourism and agriculture.\34\ Like many other Western communities with 
large federal land footprints, La Paz County faces significant 
challenges in meeting the economic needs of its residents.
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    \32\ Arizona Commerce Authority, ``County Profile for La Paz 
County'', https://www.azcommerce. com/a/profiles/ViewProfile/8/
La+Paz+County/#::text=The%20U.S.%20Bureau%20of%20Land, 
owned%20privately%20or%20by%20corporations.
    \33\ Id.
    \34\ Information provided by the Office of Congressman Gosar and 
available on the Committee's website; https://republicans-
naturalresources.house.gov/UploadedFiles/The_La_Paz_County_ 
Solar_Energy_and_Job_Creation_Act_-_One_Page.pdf.
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    In an effort economically diversify and create additional 
employment opportunities, the County worked with Representative Gosar 
(R-AZ-09) to pursue a legislative conveyance of 5,935 acres of BLM land 
for the development of a large-scale solar farm. That legislation, the 
``La Paz County Land Conveyance Act,'' was signed into law in 2019 as 
part of the ``John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management and 
Recreation Act.'' \35\ After the bill's passage, La Paz County executed 
development grants with 174 Power Global, a renewable energy company, 
and the solar project is currently underway.\36\ The project, one of 
the largest in the United States, is expected to produce 1,000 
megawatts of solar power, as well as hundreds of megawatts of battery 
storage.\37\
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    \36\ Id.
    \37\ Id.
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    H.R. 8517 seeks to build on the success of this project by 
conveying an additional 3,400 acres of BLM land adjacent to the initial 
project site. This acreage was part of Representative Gosar's initial 
legislation but was ultimately removed in the final version of the bill 
that became law. While BLM is analyzing most of the proposed acres for 
renewable energy development, the County believes this additional land 
will provide important economic benefits and much-needed revenues to 
support its residents. Senator Sinema (I-AZ) is sponsoring S. 1657, 
companion legislation in the Senate.\38\
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    \38\ S. 1657, 118th Congress, https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-
congress/senate-bill/1657.

H.R. 9062 (Rep. Curtis), ``Operational Flexibility Grazing Management 
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        Program Act''

    Land conditions can change each year, but a grazing permit may not 
be sufficiently flexible to allow livestock grazing at the optimal time 
for the land and resources. Although grazing permits and leases are 
generally renewable after 10 years, prevailing range conditions may 
require certain changes such as adjustments to dates, stocking levels, 
or water sources, to be implemented much more frequently.\39\ For 
example, the late snowpack and subsequent flooding in Utah in the 
spring of 2023 delayed many ranchers from accessing their grazing 
allotment at the permit date.\40\ To ensure flexibility in these 
instances, Representative Curtis introduced H.R. 9062, the 
``Operational Flexibility Grazing Management Program Act.'' H.R. 9062 
would provide increased operational flexibility based on emerging 
landscape conditions so the permittee can continue to steward the land 
in the most responsible manner. Operational flexibility may include 
adjusting the season of use, modifying the beginning or ending date of 
a permit, or adding additional flexibility of the stocking level or 
water placement and transportation. S. 4454, sponsored by Senator 
Barrasso (R-WY), is the companion bill in the Senate.\41\
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    \39\ Carol Hardy Vincent, ``Grazing Fees: Overview and Issues,'' 
Congressional Research Service, March 4, 2019, https://crs.gov/Reports/
RS21232.
    \40\ Farmers and Ranchers Throughout Utah Impacted by Flooding and 
Consequences of Long Winter, Utah Farm Bureau, May 10, 2023, https://
www.utahfarmbureau.org/Article/Farmers-and-Ranchers-Throughout-Utah-
Impacted-by-Flooding-Consequences-of-Long-Winter.
    \41\ S. 4454, 118th Congress, https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-
congress/senate-bill/4454.

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H.R. 9165 (Rep. Maloy), ``Public Land Search and Rescue Act''

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    Source: Salt Lake County Sherriff's Search and Rescue Team, 
2019.

    Every year, thousands of visitors to federal lands require search 
and rescue (SAR) services.\42\ These services typically require 
emergency response personnel to search vast areas of remote land and 
extract visitors who have been injured, lost, or killed. Each federal 
land management agency has the authority to carry out SAR activities on 
their lands. In practice, however, this responsibility frequently falls 
on local law enforcement entities. While SAR arrangements typically 
vary across agencies and locations, most agencies rely primarily on 
local law enforcement authorities to carry out SAR activities pursuant 
to a formal agreement.\43\ This is particularly true of BLM and USFS, 
which usually take only a ``lead or first responder role in SAR 
emergencies if an immediate and quick response will reduce suffering or 
save lives, or due to their presence in remote and rural areas.'' \44\ 
By contrast, NPS largely serves as the primary responder for SAR 
activities on lands under its jurisdiction.\45\
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    \42\ Congressional Research Service, ``Search and Rescue (SAR) 
Operations on Federal Lands'', Mark K. DeSantis, May 7, 2024, https://
crs.gov/Reports/IF12020?source=search.
    \43\ Id.
    \44\ Id.
    \45\ Id.
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    As visitation to our federal lands soars, SAR activities are 
becoming increasingly common and more costly for local governments. For 
example, NPS, the only land management agency that tracks SAR costs, 
reported spending $21.6 million in SAR expenses between 2019 and 
2023.\46\ Local governments shouldering the SAR responsibilities for 
USFS and BLM lands expressed concerns with the financial burden of 
increased SAR activities. According to Kane County, Utah, Sherriff 
Tracy Glover:
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        Western sheriffs are being tasked with higher call volumes for 
        lost or injured visitors. Many of these frantic calls come from 
        some of the most remote areas of federally managed lands . . . 
        All too often, the most desirable areas [for] visitation are 
        located in the most remote and sparsely populated areas leaving 
        underfunded rural county sheriffs with the burden.\47\
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    \47\ U.S. Congressman Celeste Maloy, ``Rep. Maloy Introduces 
Bipartisan Search and Rescue Bill'', July 26, 2024, https://
maloy.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1243.

    This problem is particularly pronounced in Western counties with 
large federal footprints since they do not have a traditional tax base 
to fund public services like law enforcement and experience high rates 
of visitation.\48\
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    \48\ Tupper, Seth, ``Volunteer Firefighters Struggle With Search 
And Rescue Costs On Federal Land,'' SDPB, January 30, 2020, https://
www.sdpb.org/politics-public-policy/2020-01-30/volunteer-firefighters-
struggle-with-search-and-rescue-costs-on-federal-land.
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    H.R. 9165 would establish a grant program to assist with the cost 
of remote SAR activities on federal land. Entities carrying out SAR 
activities could use these grant funds to purchase necessary gear and 
equipment; maintain and repair SAR equipment; and reimburse remote SAR 
operations conducted on federal lands. Further, the bill specifies that 
grant recipients be prioritized in areas with a high ratio of visitors 
to residents (i.e. gateway communities). Proponents of the legislation 
argue this program will help support local law enforcement entities 
with strained budges while improving the overall efficacy of SAR 
activities.

H.R. 9528 (Rep. Pallone), To designate certain facilities at Paterson 
        Great Falls National Historical Park in honor of Congressman 
        Bill Pascrell, Jr.

    Paterson Great Falls National Historical Park (NHP) is a unit of 
the National Park System located in Paterson, New Jersey. The site is 
recognized for its contribution to American economic independence, 
first envisioned by Alexander Hamilton in 1792 when he sought ``to 
create the world's first planned city of innovation built around a 
hydropower system.'' \49\ H.R. 9528 would re-name two sites in the NHP, 
the Great Falls Scenic Overlook Trail Bridge and Overlook Park, after 
the late Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. Representative Pascrell was 
known as a plain-spoken New Jerseyan who served his country in the U.S. 
Army as well as in the House of Representatives for nearly three 
decades until his death earlier this year.\50\ In 2009, Rep. Pascrell 
sponsored the legislation designating Paterson Great Falls as an 
NHP.\51\ H.R. 9528 is a straightforward piece of legislation that 
honors the legacy of former Congressman Pascrell and his pivotal role 
in establishing the NHP. This bipartisan bill is cosponsored by the 
entire New Jersey Congressional delegation.
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    \49\ Visit New Jersey, ``Paterson Great Falls National Historical 
Park'', https://visitnj.org/paterson-great-falls-national-historical-
park.
    \50\ Browning-Forshay Funeral Home, ``Official Obituary of William 
J. Pascrell, Jr.'', https://www.browningforshay.com/obituaries/William-
J-Pascrell-Jr?obId=32868567.
    \51\ Public Law 111-11.

H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz), ``Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and Community 
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        Protection Act''

    Malheur County, located in southeastern Oregon, encompasses roughly 
10,000 square miles and boasts a population of just over 31,000 
people.\52\ This single county is larger than nine states, including 
Maryland and New Jersey.\53\ The area is a rugged and beautiful region, 
sometimes referred to as ``Oregon's Grand Canyon.'' \54\ The county is 
over ninety percent rangeland, two-thirds of which is managed by the 
BLM.\55\ Ranching and grazing cattle on federal land is extremely 
important to the residents of Malheur County, where cattle outnumber 
people by more than five to one.\56\ Yet, since 2015, extreme activists 
have called for the President to designate 2.5 million acres, or 
roughly 40 percent, of Malheur County as a national monument through 
the Antiquities Act of 1906.\57\ The pressure to designate this land as 
a national monument is only increasing. In August 2024, Democratic 
Oregon Governor Tina Kotek sent a letter to President Biden, calling on 
him to designate the Owyhee Canyonlands as a national monument.\58\ 
Although President Biden has already unilaterally designated more than 
3.8 million acres as national monuments since taking office, extreme 
environmentalists are calling on him to further abuse the Antiquities 
Act.\59\ They are calling on the President to further ignore local 
communities and stakeholders by designating the Owyhee Canyonlands as a 
national monument during his final lame duck months in office, 
following the manner of the Obama-Biden administration.\60\
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    \52\ U.S. Census Bureau, ``Malheur County, Oregon,'' last accessed 
November 6, 2024, https://data.census.gov/
profile?q=Malheur%20County,%20Oregon%20Wiyot.
    \53\ ``National (U.S.) States: Size in Square Miles,'' State 
Symbols USA, last accessed November 6, 2024, https://
statesymbolsusa.org/symbol-official-item/national-us/uncategorized/
states-size.
    \54\ Hagemeier, Heidi, ``Wild Beauty in the Owyhee Canyonlands, 
Travel Oregon, July 25, 2022, https://traveloregon.com/things-to-do/
destinations/lakes-reservoirs/owyhee-canyonlands/.
    \55\ ``Welcome to Malheur County,'' Malheur County Oregon, accessed 
November 6, 2024, https://www.malheurco.org/welcome-to-malheur-county/
#more-9.
    \56\ ``Census of Agriculture--Oregon,'' United States Department of 
Agriculture National Agricultural Statistics Service, 2022, https://
www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2022/Full_Report/
Volume_1,_Chapter_2_County_Level/Oregon/.
    \57\ To learn more about the Antiquities Act, see the Federal Lands 
Subcommittee Hearing Memo from March 20, 2024: https://
naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hearing_memo_updated_--
_sub_on_fl_leg_hrg_on_6_bills_03.20.24.pdf. How We Got Here, Our Land 
Our Voice Our Future, accessed November 6, 2024, https://
ourlandourvoice.com/how-we-got-here.
    \58\ Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek throws support behind Owyhee 
Canyonlands national monument, Statesman Journal, August 20, 2024, 
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/local/oregon/2024/08/20/
oregon-goveror-tina-kotek-supports-owyhee-canyonlands-national-
monument-push/74872002007/.
    \59\ Hardy Vincent, Carol. National Monuments and the Antiquities 
Act, Congressional Research Service, May 10, 2024, https://www.crs.gov/
Reports/R41330.
    \60\ Environment Oregon Research & Policy Center, ``Swift action 
needed to protect the Owyhee Canyonlands,'' November 12, 2024, https://
environmentamerica.org/oregon/center/updates/swift-action-needed-to-
protect-the-owyhee-canyonlands/.
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    Local Malheur County residents, including ranchers, hunters, and 
recreationalists, strongly oppose a national monument designation for 
several reasons. First, a unilateral executive decision from the 
President fails to have the same buy-in and flexibility as 
Congressional action, which can more thoroughly encompass the 
particular needs of a community through legislation. Second, 
communities are worried that a unilateral designation would lock up 
millions of acres of land, restricting access to critically important 
activities like grazing. These concerns are well founded; recently, a 
national monument designation in Utah resulted in the closure of all 
target shooting ranges, nearly 600,000 acres to off-highway vehicle 
(OHV) access, and nearly 175,000 acres for livestock grazing.\61\
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    \61\ Notice of Availability of the Proposed Resource Management 
Plan and Final Environmental Impact Statement for Bears Ears National 
Monument in Utah, Federal Register Vol. 89, No. 193, published October 
4, 2024, https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-22760.
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    With the looming threat of a national monument designation, the 
residents of Malheur County rallied to develop a comprehensive and 
workable solution for the management and use of the public land. 
Representative Bentz (R-OR-02) has led initiatives in the House to 
prevent the designation of a national monument in Malheur County and 
recently introduced H.R. 10082, the ``Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and 
Community Protection Act.'' In the Senate, Senator Wyden (D-OR) 
introduced complimentary legislation, the ``Malheur Community 
Empowerment for the Owyhee Act.'' These dual legislative efforts 
demonstrate that there is bipartisan, bicameral interest in developing 
a legislative solution supported by all of the residents of Malheur 
County that will avoid a unilateral national monument designation, 
conserve the area's pristine natural resources, and support rural 
economies dependent on activities like grazing.
    H.R. 10082 is the culmination of hundreds of hours of negotiation 
and collaboration by those who live, work, and recreate in Malheur 
County; the Burns Paiute Tribe, and environmental organizations. The 
bill provides several protections for ranchers and grazing permittees. 
First, the bill ensures continued grazing in any designated wilderness 
areas. Second, the legislation creates a voluntary grazing program to 
provide increased operational flexibility to grazing permittees and 
lessees for the purpose of improving the health of BLM land. Examples 
of voluntary, operational flexibility include adjusting beginning or 
ending date, pasture rotation dates, or placement of water structures 
under a grazing permit or lease. Additionally, the bill establishes the 
``Malheur C.E.O. Group'' for the purpose of identifying projects that 
would address range management issues, invasive species, conservation 
of cultural sites, restoration of water infrastructure, and economic 
development opportunities.
    This comprehensive and collaborative bill also balances the needs 
of multiple stakeholders through various land designations and 
releases. The legislation designates 926,588 acres of previously 
designated wilderness study areas (WSAs) as wilderness areas. To 
balance these designations, more than 1.6 million acres of BLM land 
currently under some form of restriction are redesignated and managed 
for multiple use. This includes the release of 601,295 acres of WSAs 
and 1,065,597 acres of lands with wilderness characteristics.\62\ The 
bill also allows for continued motorized access on existing roads for 
tribal cultural activities, fire suppression, invasive species control, 
private landowners, and livestock grazing in wilderness areas. 
Additionally, the bill requires the Department of the Interior (DOI) to 
take 2,410 acres of land into trust on behalf of the Burns Paiute Tribe 
and establishes a 9,828-acre Castle Rock Co-Stewardship Area to be 
managed with the Tribe through a memorandum of understanding.
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    \62\ Acreage provided by the Bureau of Land Management on October 
8, 2024. Data on file with Committee.

H.R. 10084 (Rep. Clyburn), ``Renewing the African American Civil Rights 
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        Network Act''

    In 2018, President Trump signed the ``African American Civil Rights 
Network Act'' into law, recognizing ``the importance of the African 
American Civil Rights movement and the sacrifices made by the people 
who fought against discrimination.'' \63\ Administered by NPS, this 
Network ``is a collection of properties, facilities, and programs that 
offer a comprehensive overview of the people, places, and events 
associated with the African American civil rights movement.'' \64\ 
Today, the Network includes more than 80 sites across the country that 
tell the story of communities and civic leaders who were integral to 
the fight for justice and societal progress from 1939 to 1968.\65\ Like 
other NPS-administered networks, the African American Civil Rights 
Network helps connect geographically disparate sites to tell a cohesive 
national story under one unified program. Pursuant to the original law 
establishing the Network, NPS may also produce educational materials 
related to the African American civil rights movement and enter into 
cooperative agreements with non-federal entities to help enhance 
coordination of the Network. Under the original law, the Network is 
scheduled to sunset on January 8, 2025. H.R. 10084, the ``Renewing the 
African American Civil Rights Network Act,'' reauthorizes the program 
for an additional 10 years. Reauthorizing the African American Civil 
Rights Network is a critical step to ensure the continuation of this 
successful program that honors the sacrifices and struggles of the 
African American civil rights movement.
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    \63\ Public Law No. 115-104; National Park Service, African 
American Civil Rights Network, ``Application and Instructions,'' 
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/civilrights/application-instructions.htm.
    \64\ National Park Service, African American Civil Rights Network, 
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/civilrights/african-american-civil-rights-
network.htm.
    \65\ National Park Service, Civil Rights, ``Discover the Network'', 
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/civilrights/discover-the-network.htm.

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IV. MAJOR PROVISIONS & SECTION-BY-SECTION

H.R. 6441 (Rep. Vasquez), ``Ranching Without Red Tape Act of 2023''

Section 2. Minor Range Improvements Under USFS Grazing Permits.

     Requires the Secretary of Agriculture to issue regulations 
            within one year allowing a permittee to carry out minor 
            range improvements if the permittee notifies the applicable 
            USFS district ranger at least 30 days prior to carrying out 
            improvement. Minor range improvements include improvements 
            to existing fences and fence lines, wells, water pipelines, 
            and stock tanks.

     Provides for the district ranger to approve the minor 
            range improvement within 30 days. If the minor improvement 
            is approved, the Secretary is directed to carry out the 
            range improvement using any available administrative tools 
            or authorities, including categorical exclusions.

Section 3. Minor Range Improvements Under BLM Grazing Permits.

     Requires the Secretary of the Interior to issue 
            regulations within one year allowing a permittee to carry 
            out minor range improvements if the permittee notifies the 
            applicable district or field manager at least 30 days prior 
            to carrying out improvement.

     Provides for the district or field manager to approve the 
            minor range improvement within 30 days. If the minor 
            improvement is approved, the Secretary is directed to carry 
            out the range improvement using any available 
            administrative tools or authorities, including categorical 
            exclusions.

H.R. 7666 (Rep. LaMalfa), To require the Secretary of Agriculture to 
        develop a strategy to increase opportunities to utilize 
        livestock grazing as a means of wildfire risk reduction.

Section 1. Utilizing Grazing for Wildfire Risk Reduction.

     Authorizes the Secretary of Agriculture, acting through 
            the Chief of USFS, to develop a strategy to increase 
            opportunities to utilize livestock grazing as wildfire risk 
            reduction strategy.

     Components of the strategy must include:

          -- Completing environmental reviews to allow permitted 
        grazing on vacant grazing allotments during instances of 
        drought, wildfire or other natural disasters that disrupt 
        grazing on allotments already permitted;

          -- Increased use of targeted grazing;

          -- Increased use of temporary permits to target fuels 
        reduction and control of invasive grasses;

          -- Supporting grazing as a post-fire recovery strategy; and

          -- Utilizing existing statutory authorities.

H.R. 8182 (Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia), ``Ocmulgee Mounds National 
        Park and Preserve Establishment Act''

Section 3. Redesignation of Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and 
        Establishment of Ocmulgee Mounds National Preserve.

     Redesignates the Ocmulgee Mounds National Historical Park 
            as the ``Ocmulgee Mounds National Park.''

     Allows the Secretary of the Interior to acquire land by 
            purchase from a willing seller, donation, or exchange, and 
            prevents the use of eminent domain to acquire land.

     Establishes the Ocmulgee Mounds National Preserve as a 
            unit of the National Park System, effective on the date 
            when the Secretary determines enough land has been acquired 
            to constitute a new unit. Clarifies that the land acquired 
            for inclusion in the Preserve must be made by purchase from 
            a willing seller, donation, or exchange and prevents the 
            use of eminent domain.

     Requires the Secretary of the Interior to file reports 
            with the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources 
            and the House Committee on Natural Resources.

Section 4. Administration of Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and 
        Preserve.

     Requires the Secretary of the Interior to enter into a co-
            management agreement with the Muscogee (Creek) Nation no 
            later than one year following the receipt of 
            recommendations from the Advisory Council.

     Clarifies that the Secretary of the Interior shall allow 
            hunting and fishing within the boundaries of the Ocmulgee 
            Mounds National Preserve in accordance with applicable 
            Federal and State laws.

     Allows the Secretary to establish zones and periods that 
            restrict hunting and fishing, after consultation with the 
            State of Georgia, for reasons of public safety, 
            administration, fish or wildlife management, or 
            emergencies.

     Clarifies that nothing in the section prohibits hunting, 
            fishing, or trapping on private land.

     Requires the Secretary to establish policies that allow 
            for hiring preferences of members of the Muscogee (Creek) 
            Nation.

     Allows the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to continue tribal 
            practices on the Ocmulgee National Park and Preserve.

     Allows the U.S. Military to continue to utilize the 
            Ocmulgee National Park and Preserve for certain military 
            activities.

Section 5. Advisory Council.

     Establishes the Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve 
            Advisory Council to advise the Secretary with respect to 
            the preparation and implementation of a management plan and 
            requires the Advisory Council to submit a report relating 
            to the management of the Park and Preserve the role of the 
            Muscogee (Creek) Nation.

     Outlines the requirements and responsibilities for members 
            appointed the Advisory Council.

Section 6. Land to be Held in Trust.

     Requires approximately 126 acres of land in the Ocmulgee 
            Mounds National Park and Preserve owned in fee by the Tribe 
            to be taken into trust for the benefit of the Tribe.

H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar), ``La Paz County Solar Energy and Job Creation 
        Act''

Section 3. Conveyance to LaPaz County Arizona

     Directs the BLM, after receiving a request from La Paz 
            County, Arizona, to convey approximately 3,400 acres of 
            land to the County at fair market value, subject to valid 
            existing rights and excluding any land with significant 
            cultural or recreational resources.

     Conditions the conveyance on La Paz County, or any 
            subsequent owner of the conveyed land:

          -- making good faith efforts to avoid disturbing Tribal 
        artifacts;

          -- minimizing impacts on Tribal artifacts if they are 
        disturbed;

          -- coordinating with the Colorado River Indian Tribes Tribal 
        Historic Preservation Office to identify artifacts of cultural 
        and historic significance; and

          -- allowing Tribal representatives to rebury unearthed 
        artifacts at, or near, where they were discovered.

     Withdraws conveyed federal land from the operation of U.S. 
            mining and mineral leasing laws.

     Sets stipulations regarding the availability of the map, 
            costs associated with the conveyance, and proceeds from the 
            sale of the land.

H.R. 9062 (Rep. Curtis), ``Operational Flexibility Grazing Management 
        Program Act''

Section 2. Definitions.

     Defines the term ``operational flexibility'' as changes to 
            grazing management of an allotment or allotment area that 
            are different from the grazing permit or lease, different 
            from previous grazing management, or occur due to change 
            landscape or producer needs.

Section 3. Operational Flexibility Grazing Management Program.

     Provides the Secretary of the Interior with the authority 
            to carry out a voluntary grazing management program to 
            provide increased flexibility to improve the long-term 
            ecological health of rangeland.

     Requires consultation with authorized grazing permittee or 
            lessee, federal and state agencies, Tribes, and other 
            landowners or affected permittees in developing a flexible 
            grazing use alternative.

     Allows flexibility to progress in meeting applicable 
            Rangeland Health Standards and livestock management 
            objectives in the land use plan.

     Requires annual reports on the effects of flexibility in 
            grazing permits or leases.

     Provides protection for current grazing permits and 
            privileges. Protects current grazing permits and leases by 
            ensuring this management program does not affect the 
            existence, renewal, or termination of a grazing permit or 
            lease entered into under the program.

H.R. 9165 (Rep. Maloy), ``Public Land Search and Rescue Act''

Section 2. Grant Program for Remote Search and Rescue Activities

     Directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish a grant 
            program to provide resources to States or political 
            subdivisions of a State authorized to conduct remote SAR 
            activities on lands managed by the DOI or USFS.

     Requires the Secretary prioritize grants in areas with a 
            high ratio of visitors to residents.

     Lists eligible projects for grants including the purchase 
            of equipment and gear necessary for remote SAR, maintenance 
            and repair of SAR equipment, and reimbursements to eligible 
            recipients for SAR activities.

     Stipulates that the federal share of assistance under the 
            program shall be 75 percent of the cost of an eligible 
            project.

H.R. 9528 (Rep. Pallone), To designate certain facilities at Paterson 
        Great Falls National Historical Park in honor of Congressman 
        Bill Pascrell, Jr.

Section 1. Redesignation of Paterson Great Falls NHP Facilities.

     Re-designates the Great Falls Scenic Overlook Trail Bridge 
            at Paterson Great Falls NHP as the ``Congressman Bill 
            Pascrell, Jr. Scenic Overlook Trail Bridge.''

     Re-designates the Overlook Park at Paterson Great Falls 
            NHP as ``Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. Overlook Park.''

H.R. 10082 (Rep. Bentz), ``Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and Community 
        Protection Act''

Section 3. Malheur County Grazing Management Program.

     Provides the Secretary of the Interior with authority to 
            carry out a voluntary grazing management program to provide 
            increased flexibility to improve the long-term ecological 
            health.

     Allows flexibility in meeting applicable Rangeland Health 
            Standards and livestock management objectives in the land 
            use plan.

     Requires the Secretary to adopt a monitoring plan on any 
            action taken to provide flexibility.

     Requires annual reports on the effects of flexibility in 
            grazing permits or leases.

     Provides protection for current grazing permits and 
            privileges.

Section 4. Malheur C.E.O. Group.

     Establishes the Malheur C.E.O. Group (Group) with eight 
            voting members, to be appointed by the Secretary of the 
            Interior with representatives of the grazing community, 
            businesses or conservation organizations, and Tribes. 
            Appointments are to be made within 180 days of enactment, 
            and each member will serve for three years.

     Specifies the Group will determine the projects to be 
            carried out on federal and non-federal land within the 
            county relating to ecological restoration, range 
            improvements, wildlife management, invasive species 
            management, restoration of water infrastructure, 
            conservation, economic development, or research.

Section 5. Wilderness Designations and Other Land Designations and 
        Related Management to Designations.

     Designates approximately 926,588 acres of previously 
            designated WSA land as wilderness in Malheur County, Oregon 
            in 16 different areas.

     Requires the allowance of grazing livestock in the 
            wilderness areas if established before the date of 
            enactment of the bill, including any issued within the last 
            10 years.

     Allows the continuation of motorized used of roads in 
            wilderness designated areas.

     Requires reasonable access to any private lands, state 
            lands, or Tribal lands within the boundaries of any 
            wilderness designated.

     Allows the use of mechanical equipment, including 
            chainsaws, backhoe excavators, or tractors, for the purpose 
            of wildfire suppression, invasive species control, or 
            activities necessary for management of livestock present on 
            the land under grazing permits.

     Provides authority for Secretary to manage or restore fish 
            and wildlife populations in designated wilderness areas, 
            including the use of motorized vehicles and aircraft.

     Releases a total of 601,295 acres of WSA land and 
            1,065,597 acres of lands with wilderness characteristics.

     Directs the Secretary of the Interior to update the 
            resource management plan for this area after three years.

     Requires the Secretary of the Interior to publish a map of 
            existing roads in the proposed wilderness designated areas.

Section 6. Land Conveyances to Burns Paiute Tribe and Castle Rock Co-
        Stewardship Area.

     Allows Secretary of the Interior to accept approximately 
            32,371 acres of land conveyed on behalf of the Burns Paiute 
            Tribe to be held in trust by the United States for the 
            benefit of the Tribe.

     Directs land exchanges with the state to acquire lands 
            desired for Burns Paiute Tribe.

     Directs an additional 2,500 acres of land current in a WSA 
            to be held in trust for the Burns Paitue Tribe.

     Requires BLM to allow grazing on the land held in trust 
            for the Tribe and sets several stipulations for grazing.

     Directs the Secretary of the Interior to enter into a 
            memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the Burns Paiute 
            Tribe to develop the Castle Rock Co-Stewardship Area of 
            approximately 7,000 acres. The MOU will address the 
            consideration of Tribal interests, protection of cultural 
            and archaeological resources, natural resources protection, 
            and interests of grazing permittees.

     Allows for land exchanges to acquire private land from 
            willing sellers in the new co-stewardship area.

     Withdraws the co-stewardship area from disposal under 
            public land laws, mining laws, mineral and geothermal 
            leasing.

Section 7. Future Protection of Fire Suppression, Invasive Species 
        Control, and Livestock Production Values on Federal Land in 
        County.

     Finds that protection against wildfire, invasive species, 
            and livestock production are essential in the management of 
            federal land.

     Provides the Secretary of the Interior the authority to 
            take any and all actions to control wildfire and invasive 
            species.

     Ensures continuation of livestock grazing on the land 
            describe in this bill.

H.R. 10084 (Rep. Clyburn), ``Renewing the African American Civil Rights 
        Network Act''

Section 2. Extension of Authorization.

     Amends ``African American Civil Rights Network Act'' to 
            reauthorize the program for 10 years following the 
            enactment of the ``Renewing the African American Civil 
            Rights Network Act.''

V. COST

    The Congressional Budget Office estimated the Senate companion for 
H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar) would increase net direct spending by $2 million 
over the 2024-2034 period.'' \66\
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    \66\ Congressional Budget Office, ``S. 1657, La Paz County Solar 
Energy and Job Creation Act'', April 5, 2024, https://www.cbo.gov/
system/files/2024-04/s1657.pdf.
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    Formal cost estimates for the remaining pieces of legislation are 
not available at this time.

VI. ADMINISTRATION POSITION

    In testimony before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources 
Committee, the following administration positions were offered:

     BLM testified in support of the intended goals of 
            companion legislation to H.R. 8517 (Rep. Gosar), but also 
            expressed their desire to address concerns regarding an 
            existing utility corridor and ensuring conveyed lands are 
            used for renewable energy.\67\
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    \67\ Statement of Thomas Heinlein before the Senate Energy and 
Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands, Forests, and Mining, 
July 12, 2023, https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2023-07/
07.12.23%20SENR%20Hearing%20BLM%20Testimony.pdf.

     Regarding companion legislation to H.R. 6441 (Rep. 
            Vasquez), the administration supported the goal of the bill 
            but offered to work on amendments addressing unintended 
            consequences for wildlife.\68\
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    \68\ Statement of Karen Kelleher before the Senate Energy and 
Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands, Forests, and Mining, 
June 12, 2024, https://www.doi.gov/ocl/pending-legislation-78.

     BLM testified in support of companion legislation to H.R. 
            9062 (Rep. Curtis) and stated: ``The Department supports 
            the bill's goal to provide the BLM with flexibility to 
            restore the ecological health of public lands used for 
            grazing and welcomes the opportunity to work with the 
            Sponsor to ensure the use of operational flexibility does 
            not result in unintended consequences.'' \69\
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    \69\ See BLM testimony before the Senate Committee on Energy and 
Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands, Forests, and Mining, 
June 12, 2024, https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/C9B38B90-
39FE-432A-8EC0-388F07FA1771.

     NPS expressed support for the companion to H.R. 8182 (Rep. 
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            Austin Scott of GA) with suggested amendments.

    The administration's position on the remaining bills on the agenda 
is unknown.

VII. EFFECT ON CURRENT LAW (RAMSEYER)
H.R. 10084

https://naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/h.r._10084_-
_ramseyer.pdf
                                     

   LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON  H.R. 6441,  TO ALLOW HOLDERS OF
    CERTAIN  GRAZING  PERMITS  TO  MAKE  MINOR  RANGE  IM-
    PROVEMENTS  AND  TO  REQUIRE  THAT  THE  SECRETARY  OF
    AGRICULTURE AND THE  SECRETARY  OF  THE  INTERIOR  RE-
    SPOND  TO  REQUESTS  FOR  RANGE  IMPROVEMENTS   WITHIN
    30 DAYS,  AND FOR OTHER  PURPOSES,  ``RANCHING WITHOUT
    RED TAPE ACT OF 2023''; H.R. 7666, TO REQUIRE THE SEC-
    RETARY  OF  AGRICULTURE  TO DEVELOP  A STRATEGY TO IN-
    CREASE  OPPORTUNITIES  TO  UTILIZE  LIVESTOCK  GRAZING
    AS A MEANS OF  WILDFIRE RISK REDUCTION;  H.R. 8182, TO
    ESTABLISH  THE  OCMULGEE  MOUNDS   NATIONAL  PARK  AND 
    PRESERVE  IN  THE  STATE  OF GEORGIA,  AND  FOR  OTHER
    PURPOSES,  ``OCMULGEE   MOUNDS   NATIONAL   PARK   AND
    PRESERVE ESTABLISHMENT ACT''; H.R. 8517, TO DIRECT THE
    SECRETARY  OF  THE  INTERIOR  TO  CONVEY  CERTAIN FED-
    ERAL LAND IN  ARIZONA TO LA PAZ COUNTY,  ARIZONA,  AND
    FOR  OTHER  PURPOSES,  ``LA PAZ  COUNTY  SOLAR  ENERGY 
    AND JOB CREATION ACT'';  H.R. 9062, TO PROVIDE FOR THE 
    ESTABLISHMENT  OF  AN  OPERATIONAL  FLEXIBILITY  GRAZ-
    ING  MANAGEMENT   PROGRAM   ON  LAND  MANAGED  BY  THE
    BUREAU  OF  LAND   MANAGEMENT,   AND  FOR  OTHER  PUR-
    POSES,  ``OPERATIONAL   FLEXIBILITY   GRAZING  MANAGE-
    MENT   PROGRAM   ACT'';   H.R. 9165,  TO   DIRECT  THE
    SECRETARY  OF  THE  INTERIOR  TO  ESTABLISH   A  GRANT
    PROGRAM  TO  ALLOCATE  RESOURCES   FOR  REMOTE  SEARCH
    AND  RESCUE  ACTIVITIES  CONDUCTED   ON  FEDERAL  LAND 
    UNDER  THE  JURISDICTION  OF  THE SECRETARY OF THE IN-
    TERIOR  OR  THE  SECRETARY  OF  AGRICULTURE,  AND  FOR
    OTHER  PURPOSES,  ``PUBLIC  LAND  SEARCH   AND  RESCUE
    ACT''; H.R. 9528, TO REDESIGNATE CERTAIN FACILITIES AT
    PATERSON  GREAT  FALLS  NATIONAL  HISTORICAL  PARK  IN 
    HONOR  OF  CONGRESSMAN BILL PASCRELL, JR.; H.R. 10082,
    TO  PROVIDE  FOR  THE  ESTABLISHMENT OF A GRAZING MAN-
    AGEMENT   PROGRAM   ON   FEDERAL   LAND   IN   MALHEUR
    COUNTY,  OREGON,  AND  FOR  OTHER PURPOSES,   ``OREGON
    OWYHEE  WILDERNESS  AND  COMMUNITY  PROTECTION  ACT'';
    AND  H.R. 10084,  TO  EXTEND  THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE
    AFRICAN  AMERICAN  CIVIL  RIGHTS  NETWORK,  ``RENEWING
    THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS NETWORK ACT''

                              ----------                              

                       Tuesday, November 19, 2024

                     U.S. House of Representatives

                     Subcommittee on Federal Lands

                     Committee on Natural Resources

                             Washington, DC

                               ----------                              

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:14 p.m. in 
Room 1324, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Tom Tiffany 
[Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
    Present: Representatives Tiffany, Fulcher, Stauber, Curtis, 
Bentz, Moylan; and Peltola.
    Also present: Representatives Gosar, LaMalfa, Maloy, Scott 
of Georgia; Bishop, Clyburn, and Vasquez.

    Mr. Tiffany. The Subcommittee on Federal Lands will come to 
order.
    Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a 
recess of the Subcommittee at any time.
    The Subcommittee is meeting today to consider nine bills: 
H.R. 6441 by Representative Vasquez; H.R. 7666, Representative 
LaMalfa; H.R. 8182, Representative Scott; H.R. 8517, 
Representative Gosar; H.R. 9062, Representative Curtis; H.R. 
9165, Representative Maloy; H.R. 9528, Representative Pallone; 
H.R. 10082, Representative Bentz; and H.R. 10084, you can tell 
we have been here a long time, we are getting to five digits, 
Representative Clyburn.
    I ask unanimous consent that the following Members be 
allowed to participate in today's hearing from the dais: the 
gentleman from Arizona, Mr. Gosar; the gentleman from 
California, Mr. LaMalfa; the gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. 
Pallone; the gentleman from South Carolina, Mr. Clyburn; the 
gentlemen from Georgia, Mr. Scott and Mr. Sanford Bishop; the 
gentleman from New Mexico, Mr. Vasquez; and the gentlelady from 
Utah, Ms. Maloy.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    Under Committee Rule 4(f), any oral opening statements at 
hearings are limited to the Chairman and the Ranking Minority 
Member. I, therefore, ask unanimous consent that all other 
Members' opening statements be made part of the hearing record 
if they are submitted in accordance with Committee Rule 3(o).
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I will now recognize myself for an opening statement.

     STATEMENT OF THE HON. TOM TIFFANY, A REPRESENTATIVE
          IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WISCONSIN

    Mr. Tiffany. Over the last 2 years, the Subcommittee on 
Federal Lands has taken Congress to the American people. From 
my home district in Wisconsin to Arizona and California, the 
message from our constituents has been overwhelmingly clear: It 
is time for change in how we manage our Federal lands.
    At a moment when Americans across the country are concerned 
about the affordability of filling up their tanks at the gas 
station or putting food on the table for their families, the 
Biden-Harris administration has waged a systematic war against 
our Federal lands. Take, for example, the Bureau of Land 
Management's Public Lands Rule. While this misguided rule 
prompted widespread opposition, Western ranchers were 
particularly outspoken in explaining how the rule would upend 
the agency's multiple use mandate and lock up millions of acres 
of public lands from grazing.
    Unfortunately, in its haste to finalize this rule, the 
Biden-Harris administration ignored repeated requests from 
governors and members of this Committee to hold additional 
listening sessions. Regrettably, this decision prevented many 
of the ranchers who were most likely to suffer under the rule 
from even having their voices heard.
    Another sad example of the flagrant abuse of public land is 
President Biden's continued misuse of the Antiquities Act of 
1906 to unilaterally designate national monuments. This opaque 
process circumvents the voices of locals and sows discord and 
distrust between the Federal Government and states with large 
Federal footprints. In fact, one of the bills we will be 
considering today from Water, Wildlife and Fisheries 
Subcommittee Chair Bentz, is designed to avoid a unilateral 
monument designation.
    If you need any indication of the stark differences in 
transparency afforded by the legislative process versus by 
unilateral administrative designations, look no further than to 
Secretary Haaland's empty seat at the witness table. Secretary 
Haaland's decision not to attend today's hearing may reflect 
this Administration's fear of answering questions about its 
lame duck national monument designations, or perhaps the 
Secretary is too accustomed to working from home like other 
Federal employees. Either way, it fits this Administration's 
pattern of consistently failing to show up to do their jobs.
    Fortunately, change is brewing, and it begins now. Instead 
of ignoring local voices, we are ushering in a new era of land 
management that gives local communities the most say in 
deciding what happens in their backyards. We are starting 
today's hearing with several bills that would help support our 
nation's ranchers, who have endured 4 years of relentless 
attacks from this Administration.
    Grazing on public lands is a key sector of many Western 
rural economies. Our nation's ranchers do much more than 
steward our public lands; they help feed America. At a time 
when Biden's inflation is jacking up prices at the grocery 
store, livestock grazed on public lands continues to provide 
affordable products.
    The bills offered by Representatives Bentz, LaMalfa, 
Curtis, and Vasquez offer common-sense solutions that will give 
ranchers desperately-needed flexibility and cut through 
unnecessary bureaucratic red tape. By adopting these policies, 
we can encourage more targeted and innovative grazing 
techniques, such as using livestock to affordably reduce the 
flammable vegetation that can fuel catastrophic wildfires.
    We will also consider legislation from Representative Scott 
to designate Georgia's first national park, the Ocmulgee Mounds 
National Park and Preserve. Earlier this year, I offered 
similar legislation to designate the Apostle Islands in my 
district as Wisconsin's first national park. While these name 
changes may seem small, they offer enormous economic and 
tourism-related opportunities to nearby gateway communities. 
While I have some concerns with Representative Scott's 
legislation as currently drafted, I appreciate Representative 
Scott and his staff for already working with the Subcommittee 
to address some of those concerns.
    Next, we will consider Oversight and Investigations 
Subcommittee Chairman Gosar's La Paz County Solar Energy and 
Job Creation Act. This legislation is a win-win that will 
convey underused Federal land in Arizona, improving management 
and creating new jobs in the region. I would like to commend 
Representative Gosar for his continued leadership on this 
issue.
    Finally, we will consider legislation from Representative 
Maloy to assist local law enforcement entities with remote 
search and rescue operations on Federal lands. When a lost 
hiker calls 911, they don't care whether it is a Federal or 
local law enforcement coming to their aid. Unfortunately, most 
of the time this burden falls on local law enforcement without 
any type of reimbursement from the Federal Government.
    Representative Maloy's legislation would create a grant 
program to help address the increasing costs of search and 
rescue activities, while also giving local governments the 
ability to upgrade and improve their search and rescue 
equipment.
    I would like to thank all the witnesses for traveling to be 
here today. Your expertise is incredibly appreciated and highly 
valued by each member of this Subcommittee.
    With that, I yield back and will now recognize our first 
panel, which consists of Members who are sponsoring today's 
legislation.
    I now recognize Representative Bentz for 5 minutes on H.R. 
10082.

     STATEMENT OF THE HON. CLIFF BENTZ, A REPRESENTATIVE
           IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF OREGON

    Mr. Bentz. Thank you, Chair Tiffany, for hearing this 
important bill.
    H.R. 10082 is the culmination of 5 years of work, hundreds 
of hours of discussion, argument, negotiation, community 
meetings, and ultimately collaboration between tribes, 
environmental groups, hunters, ranchers, county leaders, and 
Congress. This bill directly involves about 3 million of the 4 
million acres of Federal land located in my home county, 
Malheur County, Oregon.
    Malheur County is bordered by Idaho on the east and Nevada 
on the south. This is a high desert area. The only substantial 
stream in the south part of this county is the Owyhee River, 
which enters Oregon from Idaho and continues north across 150 
miles of Malheur County. It flows in the bottom of very deep, 
rimrock-lined canyons through remote and isolated areas.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. It has been said that the only way a cow can 
reach this river is with a parachute. And as you can see from 
these pictures, there is a substantial truth to this statement.
    Most of the length of that part of the Owyhee River in 
Oregon was designated Scenic and Wild in 1984. I share this to 
emphasize, contrary to the pearl-clutching testimony we will 
hear from a witness today, this area is already protected, over 
and over again, by layer upon layer of Federal law, including 
the Scenic River Act, the Taylor Grazing Act, the Endangered 
Species Act, FLPMA, the Archeological Resources Act, the Clean 
Water Act, the Clean Air Act, and NEPA, to mention not all of 
them.
    But even with these protections, environmental groups and 
Portland-based recreational shoe and clothing companies began 
to lobby for a monument covering most of the southern third of 
the county, even though only a small fraction of this area 
contains the river.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. In 2015, the Obama administration seriously 
considered establishing a 2.5 million-acre monument, almost 
half of Malheur County. This concept was met with almost 
unanimous local opposition. Why? Because local people know that 
the Boise Valley with 900,000 people is immediately adjacent, 
and that such a designation would attract thousands more people 
into that fragile environment. Local people know that a 
monument would not be as protective of the land as would be a 
wilderness designation.
    Oregon people know, as they watch restrictive actions being 
taken on other monuments, such as Bears Ears and Cascade-
Siskiyou, that the ability of local communities to take care of 
the land is dramatically reduced when the driving force is an 
executive action, rather than a collaborative, cooperative, 
carefully-designed, community-driven effort such as that which 
results in this bill.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. Thankfully, the monument designation did not 
occur. But in response to this unfortunate possibility, 
concerned citizens formed the Owyhee Basin Stewardship Council, 
a member of which joins us today, for the purpose of protecting 
the Owyhee Canyon area and local communities, and to improve 
management of the land. Five years ago this group reached out 
to Senator Wyden for help. Since that time, the Senator has 
been working closely with the Council, as have I.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. And consistent with shared goals, he introduced 
Senate Bill S. 1890, which was heard last December in the 
Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. The Senator's 
bill converts 1.2 million acres into permanent wilderness, 
releases WSA land not included into wilderness, and protects 
grazing.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. Complicating matters, however, as these 
discussions were ongoing, the BLM issued a new Resource 
Management Plan, which is reflected in this exhibit. It was 
anticipated by the Senator's negotiating team and the OBSC that 
the resource management plan would have to be redone if 
agreement was reached regarding creation of wilderness.
    The bill we are discussing today incorporates provisions 
found in the Wyden bill, and is based upon dozens of 
conversations with members of the local group. If passed, my 
bill would do the following: designate some 924,000 acres of 
already restricted land and withdrawn land as permanent 
wilderness. It would designate an additional 41,000 acres and 
two special management areas, which would be managed as though 
wilderness. It would protect access to allow control of 
wildfire, suppression of weeds, and conduct of livestock 
operations. It would re-designate 1.3 million acres now 
designated in the Range Management Plan as land for other 
resources and WSA lands as multiple use lands. It would provide 
a means of grazing flexibility to reduce fire hazards. It would 
protect future access to and use of the lands for invasive 
species eradication, fire suppression, and livestock 
production. It would substantially avoid restrictions on those 
areas in the county that are known to contain vast amounts of 
lithium.
    As this exhibit shows, following redesignation and 
enactment of this bill and the establishment of wilderness, the 
revised land management areas would look like the exhibit on my 
left. The bill is the creation of almost a million acres of 
permanent wilderness, while returning approximately 1.3 million 
acres of BLM lands to multiple use, furthers the BLM's mission, 
as defined in FLPMA, to manage public lands for multiple uses 
while conserving natural, historical, and cultural resources.
    This bill contains a conveyance of some 30,000 acres to the 
Burns Paiute Tribe and Trust, a portion of which is known as 
Castle Rock, an important cultural geographic feature to the 
tribe.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. Adding urgency to this bill is the fact that 
over the past year, many of the same groups that have wanted to 
impose a monument on this land have been lobbying Senator 
Wyden, and I assume the White House, for a presidential 
proclamation establishing in Malheur County at least a million-
acre monument, similar to that considered by the Obama 
administration. Such an action would fly in the face of years 
of effort by the local community, would destroy the land 
transfers to the Burns Paiute Tribe, the considerable efforts 
of Senator Wyden, and the protections built into this 
legislation of land and communities. Such a result would be a 
travesty.
    I thank you, and I would appreciate your positive 
consideration of this bill. Thank you, I yield back.

    Mr. Tiffany. Yes, thank you, Representative Bentz. And now 
I would like to recognize Representative LaMalfa for 5 minutes.

      STATEMENT OF THE HON. DOUG LaMALFA, A REPRESENTA-
        TIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

    Mr. LaMalfa. Chairman Tiffany, thanks so much for the 
opportunity in the Committee here today.
    I am presenting H.R. 7666, which would direct the Forest 
Service to expand the use of proactive, targeted animal grazing 
and fuels management programs to reduce wildfire risk. The bill 
is essential for especially Western states, where Federal land 
management policies have often contributed to issues like 
devastating wildfires and mismanaged resources. This will 
increase the use of grazing to reduce fine fuels, which make 
fires burn hotter, faster, and much more dangerously.
    When fuels burn uncontrolled and so quickly from all the 
unmanaged fuels and underbrush, it is a big part of the 
equation that leads to huge mega-fires that destroy forests, 
towns, and people's lives, of which we have suffered with many 
in the West, and including a million-acre fire in my own 
district a couple of years ago, and in another 600,000-acre 
fire this summer in my own district and many other districts 
around the West, especially.
    Utilizing livestock for fire fuel management is common 
sense. Cattle grazing on public lands provides valuable 
ecosystem benefits like food and water production, disease 
regulation, nutrient cycling, and crop pollination. They have 
been found time and again to be helpful in the cycling of the 
land, not the harm that is frequently overemphasized or even 
made up. It is an important tool that, unfortunately, isn't 
being utilized enough.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. LaMalfa. As those of us here know, the West continues 
to face a wildfire and a forest health crisis. In California, 
as I mentioned, we have seen firsthand what happens when we 
can't use every authority available to prevent wildfires. 
Unfortunately, this has been made especially apparent in so 
many recent fire seasons in my district, Mr. Thompson's 
district, Mr. Huffman's district, and many, many more, such as, 
you will recall, the Camp Fire in Paradise, California, where 
85 people lost their lives; the 2020 North Complex Fire started 
in Butte County, which reached over 600,000 acres; the Dixie 
Fires I kind of mentioned; the Park Fire I kind of mentioned; 
and now that most recent one, the Park Fire, is now the fifth 
largest fire in California's history.
    So, nearly 7 million acres have burned across the West just 
this year, across many kinds of fire-prone areas.
    Currently, agencies are limited in the scope of tools they 
can consider. And often the post-fire teams bear the burden of 
suggesting creative tools like livestock grazing for fuels 
reduction as pilot programs. Folks, these shouldn't be pilot 
programs. We know that they work. This isn't news to the West. 
It isn't news for the positive effects that grazing has. I 
mean, you can just see it in examples there, where a graze 
field next to an area that burned, the fire stops, it comes to 
a complete stop. So, it shouldn't be seen as a pilot or as a 
new idea. It is really something that is, as I mentioned, 
common sense.
    This bill passes an amendment to the Fix Our Forests Act 
earlier this year and is in the forestry title of the 
bipartisan Agriculture Committee-passed farm bill. This bill 
clearly has broad support, and will help prevent more 
catastrophic, preventable wildfires by using every tool we have 
at our disposal.
    Western states like California, Oregon, and others have 
experienced record-breaking wildfires, costing lives, property, 
and billions in recovery efforts and fire suppression. This 
bill potentially turns what is often an unfortunate, 
adversarial relationship between grazing permitters and the 
Forest Service into a potential partnership for mutual benefit 
and the protection of our Federal forests from the ravages of 
wildfire.
    By prioritizing forest health and using every tool at our 
disposal, H.R. 7666 equips us with more tools and ability to 
tackle these issues more effectively, leading to safer, more 
resilient, healthier forests, and not nearly as much of the 
pollution to our air, to our water, and so much damage and 
destruction to our wildlife. And the positive effect of the 
economy with cattle grazing, making money off of that instead 
of having a net cost.
    So, I am pleased to be able to present this, and I hope 
that we can get strong bipartisan support and move it along. I 
appreciate that and, Mr. Chairman, I will yield back to you.

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Representative LaMalfa. I now 
recognize Representative Clyburn for 5 minutes.

     STATEMENT OF THE HON. JAMES E. CLYBURN, A REPRESENT-
      ATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA

    Mr. Clyburn. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thanks 
to the members of the Subcommittee. And I must acknowledge, in 
view of the type of legislation we are discussing here today, 
the Full Committee Chair, Mr. Westerman from Arkansas, and the 
Ranking Member because we are here today to ask your 
reauthorization of the National Park Service's African American 
Civil Rights Network.
    ``Network'' is the operative word here. The importance of 
this legislation, which is scheduled to sunset come January 
2025, is embodied in that one word. If I were to mention the 
name of Rosa Parks here today, most people would know who that 
was. But if I were to mention the name of Sarah Mae Flemming, I 
doubt that more than two or three people, if anybody, except 
maybe Dr. Donaldson, would recognize that name, though a year-
and-a-half before Rosa Parks sat down on that bus in 
Montgomery. A year-and-a-half before, Sarah Mae Flemming, 6 
days before her 21st birthday, sat down on a bus in Columbia, 
South Carolina, was ejected from the bus, filed a lawsuit, and 
the Supreme Court decided that she was entitled to ride in any 
seat in that bus.
    So, if you were to look at the Rosa Parks case when it was 
decided by the Supreme Court, you will find that a footnote in 
that case says we do not have to decide that subject, we 
decided that in the case of Sarah Mae Flemming v. South 
Carolina Electric and Gas. Most people don't know that.
    That is the importance of this legislation, because in 
South Carolina, when I came here 32 years ago, our No. 1 
industries were textiles and tobacco. I need not tell you what 
has happened to both of those. Today, our No. 1 industry is 
transportation and tourism, and the fastest-growing aspect of 
tourism is heritage tourism. So, this legislation is very, very 
important to my state because it involves a network of 27 other 
states in designating sites for visitation that will grow the 
economy most especially in rural communities. And I think that 
this legislation is deserving of reauthorization.
    So, I introduced on December 1 with 27 other operators, and 
I said December of last year, the authorization of this 
legislation we hope that you will see your way clear to approve 
it.
    Now, Dr. Donaldson, a long-time friend and Director of the 
University of South Carolina's Civil Rights Center, is here and 
will be discussing this legislation a little later. So, as to 
give him ample time, I am going to relinquish the rest of my 
time so that he can have the time necessary to give you a more 
intellectual discussion of this legislation.
    Thank you so much, and I will yield back.

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Representative Clyburn, and I will 
not forget the name of Sarah Mae Flemming, yes.
    I now recognize Representative Scott for 5 minutes on H.R. 
8182.

      STATEMENT OF THE HON. AUSTIN SCOTT, A REPRESENTATIVE
             IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF GEORGIA

    Mr. Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
Committee. I am here on H.R. 8182, which would redesignate the 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Park in Macon, Georgia as the 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve, the first national 
park in Georgia.
    This is a bipartisan initiative that goes all the way back 
to 1934. My colleague, Congressman Bishop, and I, along with 
then-Senator Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, first authored 
the Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Boundary Revision Act in 
2014. It was passed in 2019, enacted into law, and it included 
a resource study that was completed in 2023 and changed the 
name to the Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Park.
    I want you to know, as an avid sportsman, one of the things 
that I first requested was information from the Georgia 
Department of Natural Resources and a relationship with them to 
make sure that we were protecting and expanding the hunting and 
fishing access within the preserve boundaries. The language 
prioritizes public hunting and fishing access, while protecting 
the state's rights and regulation and private property rights 
in Middle Georgia.
    As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, I also 
want you to know that this has the ability to help us with 
encroachment issues surrounding Robins Air Force Base in Middle 
Georgia.
    Now, Georgia is composed of roughly 38 million acres, only 
about 5 percent of Georgia, our land, is in the Federal 
registry. So, it is a very small expansion of property in the 
state of Georgia in a state where we don't have much Federal 
land.
    This land will also only be acquired through purchases from 
willing sellers, donations, or land exchange. No eminent domain 
is authorized in this piece of legislation.
    This redesignation, a relatively small addition to the 
Federal Register, has the potential to have a significant 
economic impact for the Middle Georgia region, which Seth Clark 
will expand on in his testimony. I understand and acknowledge 
the very real challenges in states with high acreage of Federal 
land. This is different for those of us in Georgia, Middle 
Georgians' concerns lie with the potential commercial 
development of a pristine hunting and fishing land, the threat 
to national security and regional economic viability associated 
with not protecting the encroachment zones of Robins Air Force 
Base, and the loss of the irreplaceable Muscogee Creek cultural 
resources and sacred sites.
    The Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve 
Establishment Act would create a historic opportunity to 
protect important natural and cultural resources, protect 
hunting and fishing for generations to come, and bring economic 
opportunities to Middle Georgia through the creation of 
Georgia's first national park.
    Mr. Chairman, I would now like to yield the remainder of my 
time to my colleague, Congressman Bishop, who has also worked 
for many years tirelessly with me on this bipartisan effort.

    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields to Mr. Bishop.

    STATEMENT OF THE HON. SANFORD D. BISHOP, JR., A REP-
      RESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF GEORGIA

    Mr. Bishop. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I thank 
members of the Committee for allowing Representative Scott and 
me to testify on behalf of our bill, the Ocmulgee Mounds 
National Park and Reserve Establishment Act.
    Congressman Scott and I have a long history of working 
together in a bipartisan fashion to preserve and protect this 
special place in Middle Georgia, albeit not quite as long as 
Ocmulgee's 17,000-year history. Most recently, we worked 
together with then-Senator Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson 
to change the name from Ocmulgee National Monument to Ocmulgee 
Mounds National Historical Park, to expand the boundaries from 
approximately 702 acres to over 2,800 acres, to provide 
protection to additional archeological resources, and to 
authorize a resources study to explore the possibility of 
expanding the park even further to include additional 
opportunities for hunting, camping, fishing, and other 
recreational activities. That legislation was signed into law 
in 2019.
    Our bill today builds upon that resources study, which was 
released last year. It reflects key input from stakeholders at 
the Federal, state, and local levels, including the Muscogee 
Creek Nation, whose ancestral sites are located inside the 
proposed boundary. In fact, our legislation, which will create 
the first national park in the state of Georgia, establishes a 
path for a tribal-non-tribal co-management, similar to the co-
management models of other national parks and preserves. If 
successful, Ocmulgee will be the first national park co-managed 
by one of the five tribes that was forced from their lands in 
1836, a tragedy in our history known today as the Trail of 
Tears.
    In addition to preserving significant historical and 
cultural resources, our bill will expand Ocmulgee's footprint 
to provide increased opportunities for visitors to enjoy 
abundant recreational activities the area has to offer, 
including, as I said earlier, hunting, camping, and fishing.
    According to an analysis by the National Park Conservation 
Association, our legislation could increase visitors to Middle 
Georgia by sixfold over the next 15 years. It could bring in 
more than $34 million in annual tax revenue to the region, as 
well as support over 3,000 jobs through visitor activity and 
tourism.
    Finally, Representative Scott and I, as well as Georgia's 
current two Senators, have worked closely with Robins Air Force 
Base and Warner Robins to put land into conservation near the 
base along the Ocmulgee floodplain in order to maintain a 
buffer to prevent development that would encroach into the 
flight pattern areas. By protecting these lands, it will help 
Robins Air Force Base to continue to maintain its military 
readiness.
    Again, I would like to thank the Subcommittee on Federal 
Lands for inviting Representative Scott and me to testify this 
afternoon, and we believe that our bill would strengthen the 
current Ocmulgee Mounds National Historic Park and bolster the 
economy and the cultural life of Georgia and beyond.
    I urge your support, and I would be happy to answer any 
questions that you might have. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.

    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields. I now recognize 
Representative Vasquez for 5 minutes on H.R. 6441.

       STATEMENT OF THE HON. GABE VASQUEZ, A REPRESENTA-
         TIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO

    Mr. Vasquez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the 
Committee for holding this important hearing to address the 
challenges facing cattle growers and other ranchers.
    It is a privilege to present to you my bipartisan bill, the 
Ranching Without Red Tape Act. This bill would reduce 
unnecessary Federal regulatory burdens for public land grazers, 
and provide greater flexibility for ranchers who are working to 
overcome duplicative bureaucracy that slows down their 
operations and ultimately hurts American consumers and rural 
economies.
    In my district, 9,000 ranchers raised over 1.2 million head 
of cattle and contribute over $2 billion to the New Mexico 
economy. Those ranchers hold 2,200 grazing allotments across 
approximately 13.5 million acres of Federal public lands 
throughout the state. Currently, these folks who lease Federal 
grazing permits must undertake a complicated renegotiation 
process to make even the most minor improvements to their 
leased range lands. That includes building a stock tank, 
repairing a fence, or making minor road repairs and minor 
adjustments in the back country. These necessary changes help 
producers adjust to changing climate patterns and to new 
technologies, make necessary repairs, and ultimately help 
maintain healthy livestock and improve productivity and 
ecosystem health.
    Unfortunately, the process for making these improvements in 
Federal lands is cumbersome and out of date. In my first month 
in office, a cattle grower in my district told me about his 
struggles with these straightforward improvements. When his 
pasture fence deteriorated, as they often do, he was forced to 
wait months, almost 9 months, for a response from the BLM for 
the approval to repair it. Since then, in my conversations with 
cattle growers and food producers throughout my district, I 
have heard this consistent message: the current Federal 
permitting process for minor range improvements is excessively 
burdensome and needs reform.
    Growers who simply need to repair a fence or improve their 
waters are waiting months, sometimes even years, for new permit 
approvals. These delays cost time, money, and contribute to the 
rising costs of beef and other meat products in this country. 
My bipartisan Ranching Without Red Tape Act, led by Senator 
Barrasso in the Senate, would allow ranchers to make these 
essential minor improvements without going through a long and 
burdensome process.
    It is also important to emphasize that this bill is not 
about taking shortcuts or sacrificing environmental oversight. 
Ranchers are deeply invested in protecting the lands that they 
rely on. Ranchers and environmentalists do not have to be at 
odds with each other on this issue. By eliminating unnecessary 
red tape, we can help some of the country's hardest-working 
producers and their ranch hands improve their operations, 
increase production, and strengthen our agricultural economy. 
This bipartisan solution is sensible for ranchers, it is good 
for public lands and the communities that we represent.
    I am also proud to work with Representatives John Curtis of 
Utah and John Duarte of California to advance this bill and to 
support ranchers.
    I look forward to working with this Committee to advance 
this legislation, increase production, and lower costs for 
consumers, and support ranching communities nationwide. Thank 
you, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Representative Vasquez. I now 
recognize Representative Maloy for 5 minutes on H.R. 9165.

           STATEMENT OF THE HON. CELESTE MALOY, A 
      REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF UTAH

    Ms. Maloy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have to slide closer, 
I am about to get hypothermia up here too. I don't know who 
sets the temperature in here, but I am here to testify about my 
search and rescue bill, and I may need to be rescued by the end 
of it.
    Utah is a beautiful place. Our scenery and our geology 
attract millions of visitors a year. I think last year, we had 
15 million visitors coming to Utah to recreate on public land 
managed by the Federal Government. And sometimes the visitors 
who come to our state are not prepared for the high altitude, 
for the dry climate, or for our unpredictable weather, and they 
get themselves into trouble. And when that happens, we call on 
our sheriffs to provide search and rescue.
    And in a state where the majority of the land is managed by 
the Federal Government, that means our sheriffs are doing 
search and rescue operations on millions of acres for which 
counties don't get any tax revenue. And I have spent a lot of 
time talking to the sheriffs about this, and they are happy to 
provide search and rescue services, they don't want to leave 
people stranded or let people be hurt, but it gets expensive.
    In one of the counties in my district, Washington County, 
in the last year they have had 99 search and rescue operations; 
74 percent of those were conducted on Federal land. And it cost 
them about $160,000 from the sheriff's office budget and about 
$140,000 worth of search and rescue volunteer time.
    This bill provides for a grant program for sheriff's 
offices or states that are providing search and rescue on 
public land. It gives an advantage to counties that have a high 
percentage of public land and a high number of visitors to 
offset the costs that counties are bearing for the Federal 
Government by providing this service.
    One of the things that happens is a lot of times people who 
come to recreate on public land have better equipment than our 
volunteers and our sheriffs do. And even if they don't have 
better equipment, a lot of times they get themselves into 
places that are really difficult to get them out of. So, the 
equipment that our volunteers and our sheriffs need to be able 
to get to where people are in trouble is outside of their 
budget. Because this is a problem caused by Federal land 
management, I think the Federal Government needs to step up and 
help with this.
    So, H.R. 9165 provides a grant program to help offset the 
cost of equipment. I know that doesn't solve the whole problem, 
but it helps level the playing field a little bit between the 
people who do search and rescue and the people who recreate. 
And hopefully it tips the scales in favor of saving lives and 
rescuing people.
    It is also a bipartisan bill, thanks to my colleague, Ed 
Case from Hawaii. That is also a tourism state. He understands 
what it is like to have a lot of people come recreate. He came 
to Utah, listened, saw the problem, and is willing to help us, 
and I want to thank him for that while I am doing that.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Representative Maloy. We will now 
move on to our second panel.
    Let me remind the witness that under Committee Rules, you 
must limit your oral statement to 5 minutes, but your entire 
statement will appear in the hearing record.
    To begin your testimony, please press the ``on'' button on 
the microphone.
    We use timing lights. When you begin, the light will turn 
green. At the end of 5 minutes, the light will turn red, and I 
will ask you to please complete your statement.
    I now want to recognize Mr. Steven Lohr, Director of 
Natural Resources for the National Forest System at the U.S. 
Forest Service.
    Director Lohr, you are recognized for 5 minutes, and 
welcome to the Committee.

        STATEMENT OF  STEVEN LOHR,  DIRECTOR OF NATURAL
         RESOURCES, NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM, USDA FOREST
         SERVICE, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Lohr. Thank you, Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member 
Neguse, and members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for inviting 
the Forest Service to discuss H.R. 6441, H.R. 7666, and H.R. 
9165 concerning grazing on national forests and search and 
rescue activities by partners. My name is Steve Lohr, and I am 
the new National Director of Natural Resources for the U.S. 
Forest Service. I cover the timber, range, and wildlife 
programs for the agency.
    Much of my 24-year career has been spent on field units, 
including 10 years as a district ranger in North Carolina, a 
forest supervisor in Alabama, and most recently a deputy 
regional forester in Colorado. It is my honor to help the 
agency actively manage our national forests for the benefit of 
all Americans.
    America's forests support local economies through 
recreation, tourism, jobs, energy production, forest products, 
and livestock grazing.
    Let me begin by sharing that livestock grazing is an 
important tool for managing our National Forest System lands, 
is permitted on over 73 million acres spread across 27 states. 
Grazing use on National Forest System lands is administered 
through a grazing permit system, and the Forest Service 
administers permits for nearly 6,000 permittees annually. In 
total, these permits authorize approximately 7 million head 
months of grazing by cattle, horses, sheep, and goats. The 
Forest Service manages livestock grazing with a $6 million 
budget annually for everything beyond direct personnel costs, 
and we rely heavily on industry partners to help us deliver the 
program.
    The Forest Service appreciates the opportunity to discuss 
the legislation pending before the Subcommittee.
    H.R. 6441, the Ranching Without Red Tape Act, would require 
the agency to issue regulations within 1 year that would allow 
Forest Service grazing permittees to carry out minor range 
improvements with district ranger approval. Or if the district 
ranger does not respond within 30 days, the improvements are 
considered approved.
    This bill would also establish a mechanism for permittees 
to submit requests to the Secretary for the Forest Service to 
construct new range land improvements. The bill would require 
the agency to respond to those requests within 30 days and, 
when a request is approved, expedite the completion of the 
range land improvement.
    The Forest Service acknowledges the need to be nimbler in 
responding to rangeland improvement needs, and strongly 
supports the intent of H.R. 6441. We would like to work with 
the Committee on refining the language to ensure time frames 
and expectations are achievable on streamlining our processes, 
and taking a nimbler adaptive management approach to expedite 
range land improvements.
    H.R. 7666 requires the agency to develop a strategy to 
increase opportunities to utilize livestock grazing as a means 
of wildfire risk reduction. The USDA supports the bill and 
recognizes that livestock grazing can be used as a viable 
vegetation resource management tool, and we welcome the 
opportunity to look for ways to apply it more strategically on 
the landscape. The agency has existing flexibilities in law, 
regulation, and policy that allow us to authorize targeted 
grazing using a variety of instruments. The agency already 
employs targeted grazing to reduce fine fuels as part of 
hazardous fuels treatments, invasive species as a part of 
integrated pest management, and other land management needs.
    H.R. 9165, the Public Lands Search and Rescue Act, 
establishes a grant program to reimburse up to 75 percent of 
applicable costs of conducting remote search and rescue 
operations on Department of the Interior and USDA lands. H.R. 
9165 defines ``eligible reimbursement activities'' as those 
that include purchasing search and rescue equipment and gear, 
maintaining and repairing leased or owned equipment, and 
conducting remote search and rescue activities themselves.
    The USDA recognizes the financial burden imposed upon 
states and rural counties in conducting remote search and 
rescue on National Forest System lands, and we appreciate our 
strong working relationship with states and counties who manage 
them. We would like to work with the bill's sponsors and 
Committee to clarify USDA's role and responsibilities regarding 
remote search and rescue conducted on Federal land.
    USDA supports the goals of H.R. 9165 to reduce the 
financial burden on rural, state, and counties, but defers to 
DOI for their views on the proposed program.
    That concludes my testimony. Again, I thank Chairman 
Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the Subcommittee 
for the opportunity to present USDA's views on this proposed 
legislation. I would be happy to answer any questions you may 
have.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Lohr follows:]
    
   Prepared Statement of Steve Lohr, Director of Natural Resources, 
 National Forest System, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service
 
                 on H.R. 6441, H.R. 7666, and H.R. 9165

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for inviting the U.S. Department of Agriculture 
(USDA) Forest Service, to discuss H.R. 6441, H.R. 7666, and H.R. 9165.

H.R. 6441, ``Ranching Without Red Tape Act''

    Section 2(a) of H.R. 6441 would require the Agency to issue 
regulations within 1 year of enactment that would allow Forest Service 
grazing permittees to carry out minor improvements after notifying the 
Agency. The bill would require the Agency to respond to those 
notifications within 30 days and if the Agency does not respond the 
permittee may carry out the improvements.
    The Agency is concerned with the requirement to issue regulations 
within 1 year. There are mandatory processes required for agency 
rulemaking, including public review and comment, that would make it 
difficult to complete within 1 year.
    Section 2(b) of H.R. 6441 would establish a mechanism for 
permittees to submit requests to the Secretary for the Forest Service 
to construct new rangeland improvements. The bill would require the 
Agency to respond to those requests within 30 days and, when a request 
is approved, expedite the completion of the rangeland improvement.
    The agency's ability to expedite the construction of rangeland 
improvements associated with a covered request will depend upon staff 
capacity and funding, which may not meet the public's expectations. 
This could lead to unnecessarily denying a request as a result of 
insufficient time for review.
    The Agency also has concerns with the 30-day deadline to approve or 
deny the request for constructing new rangeland improvements in Section 
2(b). These new rangeland improvements may be subject to National 
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) requirements, making meeting the 30-day 
approval deadline hard to meet, especially in situations which do not 
meet the criteria for use of a Categorical Exclusion (CE). Even actions 
falling within the scope of a CE may involve extra-ordinary 
circumstances, which could make the 30-day deadline hard to meet. 
Furthermore, depending on the nature and location of the proposed 
rangeland improvement, the Agency may need to comply with other 
statutory requirements, including under the Endangered Species Act and 
the National Historic Preservation Act, and to consult with affected 
Tribal Nations.
    Similarly, it is unclear if the ``minor range improvements'' in 
section 2(a) could be subject to NEPA requirements, making that 30-day 
deadline difficult to meet as well. It could be helpful to narrow the 
scope of what would be considered a ``minor range improvement'' so that 
we can better understand how it fits into our NEPA framework and to 
provide more flexibility for the responsive deadline.
    The Forest Service acknowledges the need to be nimbler in 
responding to rangeland improvement needs and strongly supports the 
intent of H.R. 6441 to help the agency do so. Although we do have 
concerns with H.R. 6441, we would like to work with the committee on 
refining the language to ensure timeframes and expectations are 
achievable and on streamlining our processes and taking a nimbler 
adaptive management approach to expedite rangeland improvements.

H.R. 7666, ``To require the Secretary of Agriculture to develop a 
        strategy to increase opportunities to utilize livestock grazing 
        as a means of wildfire risk reduction''

    H.R. 7666 would require the Secretary of Agriculture to develop a 
strategy to increase opportunities to utilize livestock grazing as a 
means of wildfire risk reduction. The agency has existing flexibilities 
in law, regulation and policy that allow us to authorize targeted 
grazing using a variety of instruments (e.g., livestock use permit and 
agreements,). The agency already employs targeted grazing to reduce 
fine fuels as part of hazardous fuels treatments, invasive species as 
part of integrated pest management and other land management needs.
    USDA supports the bill and recognizes that livestock grazing can be 
used as a viable vegetation and resource management tool, and we 
welcome the opportunity to look for ways to apply it more 
strategically.

H.R. 9165, ``Public Land Search and Rescue Act''

    H.R. 9165 would require the Secretary of the Interior (DOI) to 
establish a grant program to fund applicable remote search and rescue 
(SAR) activities on DOI and USDA lands within one year after enactment. 
The bill would define remote SAR activity as involving the location or 
recovery of human remains in remote areas and locating, assisting, and 
removing lost, injured, stranded, or entrapped individuals in remote 
areas to safety. Under H.R. 9165, eligible recipients who are 
authorized by State or Federal law to conduct remote SARs on DOI or 
USDA lands could apply for reimbursement of up to 75 percent of the 
applicable remote SAR costs from the Federal Government. The bill would 
prioritize applications for reimbursement of costs for remote SARs 
conducted in areas with a high ratio of visitors to residents. Eligible 
reimbursement activities would include purchasing search and rescue 
equipment and gear; maintaining and repairing leased or owned 
equipment; and conducting remote SAR activities.
    USDA recognizes the financial burden imposed on rural States and 
counties in conducting remote SARs on National Forest System lands. 
USDA renders assistance in cases involving persons lost or injured 
while visiting National Forest System lands. USDA may occasionally take 
the lead in conducting a remote SAR if an immediate response will 
reduce suffering or save lives. Once a State or county assumes 
responsibility, USDA serves in a supporting role and assists where 
requested.
    USDA's primary role in connection with remote SARs conducted on 
National Forest System lands is developing and maintaining strong 
working relationships with States. States determine which State, 
county, or local agency has primary responsibility for conducting 
remote SARs on National Forest System lands within their State.
    H.R. 9165 would authorize the Secretary of the Interior to 
establish the grant program, including receiving applications for 
reimbursement of costs, making determinations about cost share 
percentages, determine applicant eligibility, and prioritizing 
applications for reimbursement of costs for remote SARs conducted on 
both DOI and USDA lands. USDA supports the goal of reducing the 
financial burden imposed on rural States and counties in conducting 
remote SARs on Federal lands. We defer to DOI for their views on how 
H.R. 9165 would affect their programs.
    That concludes my testimony. Again, I thank Chairman Tiffany, 
Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the Subcommittee for the 
opportunity to present USDA's views on this proposed legislation. I 
would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

                                 ______
                                 

   Questions Submitted for the Record to Mr. Steven Lohr, Director of
    Natural Resources, National Forest System, USDA Forest Service, 
                             Washington, DC

Mr. Lohr did not submit responses to the Committee by the appropriate 
deadline for inclusion in the printed record.

            Questions Submitted by Representative Westerman

    Question 1. Regarding the Lake Wedington Recreation Area in the 
Ozark-St. Francis National Forest:

    1a) Will you provide a status update on when the Lake Wedington 
Recreation Area will be open to the public again?

    1b) Will the Forest Service be able to phase the opening of areas 
as updates are complete?

    1c) Can you provide a summary of the funding needed to address the 
maintenance issues at the Lake Wedington Recreation Area?

    1d) Is the Forest Service actively exploring concession agreements 
or historic leases to increase the services provided at the Lake 
Wedington Recreation Area?

    1e) Will you provide an update on the status of moving forward with 
the Request for Expressions of Interest (RFEI) and the proposals 
received?

    Question 2. Regarding the Blanchard Springs Caverns in the Ozark-
St. Francis National Forest:

    2a) Has the Chief of the U.S. Forest Service received a waiver 
request to allow seasonal extra help positions (1039 workers) at 
Blanchard Springs Caverns in the Ozark-St. Francis National Forest?

    2b) How many waiver requests has the Chief of the U.S. Forest 
Service received to allow seasonal extra help positions (1039 workers) 
since September 17, 2024? Please provide the number of waiver requests 
that have been denied and have been granted.

    2c) How many seasonal positions (1039 workers) have been offered 
each year for the past five fiscal years?

    2d) Please provide the total salaries and expenses for the seasonal 
positions (1039 workers) at Blanchard Springs Caverns for each of the 
past five fiscal years.

    2e) Has there ever been a concessioner(s) operate at Blanchard 
Springs Caverns?

    2f) Has the Forest Service considered concessioners to operate at 
Blanchard Springs Caverns? If so, please describe what those 
considerations are. If no, please provide the barriers to allowing a 
concessioner(s) to operate.

    2g) Please list the process and potential timeframe to have a 
concessioner operate on the property.

    Question 3. Please describe how the U.S. Forest Service currently 
works with grazing permittees to utilize targeted grazing to reduce 
wildfire risk.

    Question 4. Describe how the U.S. Forest Service works with local 
law enforcement when notified of a missing person on U.S. Forest 
Service land.
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    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you for your testimony, Director Lohr, 
and now I hope the witness will take questions from our panel.
    First, I would like to recognize the gentleman from Oregon, 
Mr. Bentz, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Mr. Lohr, 
for being here today.
    I was raised on a cattle ranch, and we ran cattle on a 
Forest Service permit. I recall all too clearly being asked to 
take the 4.5-hour ride horseback up to drive cattle out of the 
riparian areas along Forest Service streams. And we did so 
because the idea was to protect those streams as best we could 
from over-grazing, and we got pretty good at it. But it is odd 
now, the situation is flipped. What we have is fires burning up 
the spaces where we used to run cattle.
    I remember going back up to some of those streams where we 
would drive cattle out of, and I was astounded to see the 
amount of understory that had grown up. A cow couldn't fight 
its way down into the stream. And I am not joking. And if they 
did, they would never get out. I don't know what the Forest 
Service is doing to try to utilize a cow as a management tool, 
but it seems to me from your testimony that the Forest Service 
recognizes it is an option, it is a possibility.
    Can you share with us? Have you seen cows being used in 
this fashion? Because I know they can be, I am just curious if 
it is actually happening.
    Mr. Lohr. Yes. Thank you, Congressman, for the question.
    Yes, I mean, the Forest Service recognizes grazing as a key 
management tool for the agency. It impacts more acres than any 
other management tool we use on National Forest System lands, 
and it plays a key role for us in reducing fine fuels.
    And to your point, we have had a bigger problem with 
riparian areas burning up in recent years, so we completely 
recognize it is a tool. We understand that, in conjunction with 
other forest management activities like commercial thinning, 
that cattle grazing and livestock grazing in general can be a 
key component for how we reduce the risk of catastrophic 
wildfire.
    Mr. Bentz. Of course, since I am here on my own bill, and 
it is dealing more with sagebrush steppe as opposed to national 
forest, but the issue is the same. And through bureaucratic 
mismanagement or whatever you want to call it, we have layer, 
after layer, after layer of fine fuels building up over the 
years because there is a restriction on how much you can 
actually graze off each year. So, instead of trying to reduce 
these fine fuels, they actually build up. And then, when the 
fire comes along, it burns super hot, encompassing all of the 
wrong things.
    So, I would just hope that we can build on what this bill 
is suggesting, and not only in the forest, but, of course, out 
in the sagebrush areas of the Western United States, because it 
is absolutely essential we do something. The damage that is 
occurring as a result of these wildfires is insane. And we 
should start viewing cattle as a useful tool, and not as an 
impediment to range protection.
    Thank you so much for being here today.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields, I now recognize 
Representative LaMalfa for 5 minutes.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you again, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Lohr, 
for joining us here.
    What do you see as the impediment for the Service to 
expediting what Mr. Bentz is talking about, what I am talking 
about, what Mr. Vasquez is talking about? What is really the 
difficulty on wanting to do something with these tools that are 
really effective?
    Mr. Lohr. I mean, I don't think there are any impediments, 
really. We are expanding the use of targeted grazing for fuels 
reduction. In Fiscal Year 2023, we used hazard fuels reduction 
money to fund 75,000 acres worth of projects to the tune of 
about $600,000 to do work in different parts of the country on 
it. And a couple of examples, on the Black Hills we used 
virtual fencing technology to maintain firebreaks, which was a 
successful effort.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Would you describe virtual fencing for us?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, Congressman. Virtual fencing is a way for us 
to move cows around the landscape; it is sort of like your 
invisible fence for your dog. Essentially, we are able to move 
cows around. The cows wear collars, and we can remotely control 
where the cows can go using that virtual fence. And it is a 
really powerful tool for being able to effectively manage cows 
across the landscape.
    And to the project in South Dakota, we were able to use 
that virtual fence to keep the cows focused on an area to use 
for fuels reduction to maintain a fuel break. We have also done 
it in Southern California, in chaparral habitat with goats, and 
we have a lot more projects in the hopper.
    So, to your point, Congresswoman LaMalfa, I think we are 
expanding those uses, and this bill is going to help us focus 
that. Part of the bill is to develop a strategy around that, 
and I think it is overdue for us to have that strategy.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Well, under the Forest Service purview, and 
now, you said you have 75,000 acres out this year on that?
    Mr. Lohr. That was in Fiscal Year 2023. Those are stats 
from Fiscal Year 2023, right.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Yes, 2023, right. Is it a higher number in 
2024, would you guess?
    Mr. Lohr. We are increasing that number, sir.
    Mr. LaMalfa. OK. So, you have under your purview about 193 
million acres nationally.
    Mr. Lohr. Correct.
    Mr. LaMalfa. How many acres would you say, just a rough 
guess, I am not going to hold you to it, could be grazed if you 
did 100 percent of them, do you think? I mean, how many have 
that kind of material on them that would be somehow grazeable?
    Mr. Lohr. I would have to get back to you with specific 
numbers. I can tell you that we have active permits on about 73 
million acres, and there are 95 million acres that are 
considered range lands on national forest lands which could be 
used in some form or fashion for these efforts.
    Mr. LaMalfa. When you say 73 million acres of active 
permits, are they, in terms of active, because I hear a lot of 
frustration out there actually getting the grazing done on the 
ground. When you say they are active, are they all being 
utilized? Are they in play, or is there some other thing 
holding them up from actually getting cattle on these lands?
    Mr. Lohr. No, the majority of those 73 million acres that 
are available for livestock grazing we do, I mean, there are 
exceptions. Like in cases where we have had challenges with 
water or with fires, we modify it. But in general, yes, those 
permits are active.
    Mr. LaMalfa. OK. Because I do hear that leases are being 
lost and that fire can affect those leases, and there is 
conversation about being able to trade out leased areas that 
have been damaged by fire for those that haven't on a quick 
basis, instead of a long, long period of permitting and things 
like that. So, what would you say about those things?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, many units have reserve allotments that we 
are able to move livestock from, if they have been impacted by 
fire. Or if we have vacant allotments, we often use those 
vacant allotments for emergency situations where the permittees 
are unable to have forage due to a fire.
    Mr. LaMalfa. And what do you see the trend as far as third 
parties like NGOs coming in and buying up grazing allotments 
and then not utilizing them, but just idling the land?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, it has happened in a number of occasions. I 
don't have the specific data for you. I don't know if it is an 
increasing trend or a decreasing trend, but it has happened.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Do you see that as something that is helpful 
towards the goals of Forest Service or even the cattle 
ranchers?
    Mr. Lohr. I think it depends on the situation. I mean, 
sometimes the allotments are in a situation where maybe there 
are a lack of improvements that are available, and the 
investment is not worth it to get the permit back up to 
standard. In other cases, it might be for a specific species 
that they are concerned about.
    So, yes, there are a number of reasons for that.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Is there a reason that getting the permit back 
up to standard is bureaucratic, or is it something else going 
on? Why would the rancher not want to get the permit back up to 
speed?
    Mr. Lohr. It is about economics sometimes, Congressman 
LaMalfa.
    Mr. LaMalfa. The economics of the cost of getting the 
permit----
    Mr. Lohr. The cost of getting the improvements, getting 
them back up to standards so that we can graze livestock again.
    Mr. LaMalfa. All right. We will delve into that later. 
Thank you.
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, thank you.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields, and I will recognize 
Representative Maloy for 5 minutes of questioning.
    Ms. Maloy. I don't actually have a question, I just want to 
say thank you for recognizing the burden that is placed on the 
counties. I was glad to hear you say that. And thank you for 
expressing support for the goals of the Public Land Search and 
Rescue bill, and I will have my staff follow up with you on 
ways we can work together to get some of this done.
    Mr. Lohr. Excellent. Thank you, Congresswoman.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentlelady yields.
    Mr. Lohr, what is the agency's current backlog of permits 
or leases related to grazing that are awaiting approval?
    Mr. Lohr. I don't have a good answer for that for you, but 
I can get back to you on it.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes. If you would, that would be terrific. And 
that is both the backlog on permits, as well as the leases, if 
you could do that.
    Mr. Lohr. Right.
    Mr. Tiffany. What are some of the ways the Forest Service 
is working with ranchers across the West to ensure grazing 
leases are approved quickly?
    Mr. Lohr. I mean, the challenge that we have, Chairman, is 
staffing levels. Again, our range program is not funded to the 
extent that we would like it to be, and again, we have a finite 
number of employees, and a lot of times the grazing programs 
might have just one or two employees per district that are 
trying to manage these. So, a lot of times it is a personnel 
limitation.
    I will try to get some specific information for you. But 
there are a lot of competing interests on public lands. So, a 
lot of times this makes it challenging for us to be expeditious 
about how fast we can offer permits.
    Mr. Tiffany. Do you view this as a priority?
    Mr. Lohr. Absolutely, we view it as a priority. But again, 
we have a lot of priorities that we are managing as an agency.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, should we be reallocating positions?
    Mr. Lohr. I mean, that would be one approach to it, for 
sure.
    Mr. Tiffany. Can you reallocate positions administratively?
    Mr. Lohr. We could make changes to our range workforce 
through reallocation, sure.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, you could get more manpower to this if you 
chose to.
    Mr. Lohr. We could. But again, as we make sacrifices in one 
arena, we obviously have a void to fill in other areas. So, it 
is a matter of collectively we try to balance how we allocate 
employees across our needs.
    Mr. Tiffany. Is preventing wildfire a priority?
    Mr. Lohr. Preventing wildfire is a priority, sir.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, if this is one of the more effective ways 
of preventing fire, wouldn't that move up the priority list 
pretty high?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, sir. I fully agree with you on that, and I 
think that we are. To the answers that Congressman LaMalfa had, 
we are doing a better job every year. Could we do better? 
Absolutely. But I think we are starting to just understand how 
beneficial, when we target grazing in an area, it can be. So, 
we are working to improve that each year.
    Mr. Tiffany. I think you said you did an additional 75,000 
acres this year. Is that right?
    Mr. Lohr. That was in Fiscal Year 2023 we did 75,000 acres 
through targeted grazing. And we did fund it, actually, with 
fuels dollars to the tune of $600,000.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, I was doing the math on this, and you said 
there are 73 million acres under active grazing allotments. Is 
that correct?
    Mr. Lohr. That is correct.
    Mr. Tiffany. And there are 95 million total?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, of range lands, there are 90, 95 million.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, that leaves 22 million acres. Are you 
going to be able to get to all 22 million acres in the 
foreseeable future?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, there are reasons for some of those 22 
million acres not having permits. It could be that some of it 
is not suited. There are a lot of reasons for the difference 
between those numbers.
    Mr. Tiffany. Do you guys have data on how many of those 22 
million acres would be good range land that would be acceptable 
for grazing?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, I can get that information for you, for 
sure.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes, if you could, get those numbers.
    I heard that NGOs are buying up grazing allotments and then 
not using them. Is that correct, are there instances of them 
doing that?
    Mr. Lohr. There are a few instances, yes.
    Mr. Tiffany. Can you rescind those allotments when they 
don't use them?
    Mr. Lohr. Can we rescind them if an NGO has one?
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes.
    Mr. Lohr. Yes. Most of the allotments, in my knowledge, 
that have been turned over to NGOs have been bighorn sheep 
allotments, where we know we have bighorn sheep and we graze 
sheep. So, there is a known challenge associated with mingling 
them. And those allotments are the ones that, in my knowledge, 
have been purchased by NGOs.
    And is there a mechanism? Yes, as the allotment expires, 
the permit expires, we could renew in a different way.
    Mr. Tiffany. The Committee is very concerned by the 
prospect that President Biden may further abuse the Antiquities 
Act during the lame duck. Is the Forest Service aware of any 
potential national monuments the White House plans to designate 
between now and the end of the President's term?
    Mr. Lohr. I would have to get back to you on that one. That 
is outside of my purview.
    Mr. Tiffany. You could get back to me in regards to that, 
if there are any that are being planned?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Tiffany. Has anybody in the White House or the Council 
on Environmental Quality asked the Forest Service to provide 
substantive or technical feedback on a potential national 
monument designation, including by creating maps for such a 
designation?
    Mr. Lohr. Yes, again, I will have to get back to you on 
that one.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, you have had no requests along those 
lines?
    Mr. Lohr. I personally have not. But again, I cover the 
natural resources program, and that is more of a different----
    Mr. Tiffany. Have you heard from any of your colleagues? 
Have they had that request?
    Mr. Lohr. I will have to ask them.
    Mr. Tiffany. Well, I appreciate you joining here, Mr. Lohr, 
and no further questions. Thank you for joining the Committee 
today.
    Mr. Lohr. Thank you.
    Mr. Tiffany. And we are going to move on to our next panel.
    While the Clerk resets our witness table, I will remind the 
witnesses that under Committee Rules, they must limit their 
oral statements to 5 minutes, but their entire statement will 
appear in the hearing record.
    I would also like to remind our witnesses of the timing 
lights, which will turn red at the end of your 5-minute 
statement, and to please remember to turn on your microphone.
    As with the second panel, I will allow all witnesses to 
testify before Member questioning. And we will get those 
nameplates up there, and I look forward to our third panel of 
witnesses joining us here.
    [Pause.]
    Mr. Tiffany. I will now recognize Sheriff Tracy Glover, 
President of the Utah Sheriffs Association.
    Sheriff Glover, welcome, and you have 5 minutes.

    STATEMENT OF THE HON. TRACY GLOVER, PRESIDENT, UTAH
            SHERIFFS' ASSOCIATION, KANAB, UTAH

    Mr. Glover. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Committee members. 
Good afternoon. I appreciate the invitation to testify here 
with you today, and I appreciated your opening statement, Mr. 
Chairman.
    I am the sheriff in Kane County, Utah, which is in southern 
Utah. And I am the President of the Utah Sheriffs Association, 
and a board member, executive board member, of the Western 
State Sheriffs Association. And I will be representing those 
sheriffs here today. I appreciate the opportunity to speak in 
favor of H.R. 9165, talk a little bit about the challenges of 
search and rescue on public lands.
    As many of you know, and it has been stated before, 
sheriffs hold the responsibility for search and rescue on 
public lands, especially across the West. And we appreciate 
Congresswoman Maloy, the co-sponsors, and this Committee for 
bringing this issue forward.
    To be direct, county sheriffs across the country are seeing 
increased visitation to public lands in general, and calls for 
rescues are increasing, as well. Travelers are constantly fed a 
barrage of awesome photographs in their social media feed that 
generate destination bucket list items, and they go and often 
get lost or injured.
    I live in a unique part of the country. My county is 4,300 
square miles. And from my county and the surrounding counties, 
visitors can access millions of acres of national monuments, 
national forests, national parks, national recreation areas, 
and open BLM lands. My county has a population of less than 
10,000 people, but we host over 5 million visitors each year. 
What used to be search and rescue teams that were a few guys 
with Jeeps and a thermos full of coffee has now turned into 
very technical teams that do mountain rescue with snowmobiles 
and snowcats, and technical rope rescue, underwater search and 
recovery with underwater robots and sonar units, as well as 
dangling from helicopters to hoist people to safety.
    In the West, most of the land is owned and managed by the 
Federal Government. In my county, for example, that number is 
85.5 percent of the land in my county is owned and managed by 
the Federal Government. That presents a bit of a challenge, and 
our search and rescue calls are a similar percentage. In the 
state of Utah we have seen a significant increase in helicopter 
rescues, and they are expensive. I provided some statistics in 
the packet, but the Utah sheriffs are looking at the 
possibility of requesting an additional helicopter in the state 
fleet to be able to service the needs for search and rescue in 
our state, at a cost of around $10 million.
    A couple of quick examples. A friend and colleague of mine 
in Hood River County, Oregon, Sheriff Matt English, had a 
unique rescue a few years ago where a young man deployed a 
firework on a trail in Eagle Creek off the Columbia River 
Gorge, and started a big forest fire. And the complication was 
that there were many hikers on that trail. And Sheriff English 
had to jump into action to deploy the resources to rescue 166 
people that were caught on the wrong side of that fire. You can 
imagine that was a major undertaking. Hood River County has 
only about 24,000 residents, but with Mount Hood and the 
Columbia River Gorge, they have also a lot of visitors.
    Similarly, in Kane County last year we had a rescue in the 
area of the Buckskin Gulch, which is known as the longest slot 
canyon in North America, where we had some unusual flooding and 
people were stuck in the canyon. We got in there to get them 
out, we got about 18 people out, rescued out to safety. But 
unfortunately, four people lost their lives in that canyon with 
those floods.
    Also in the packet that I sent there are some pictures of a 
water rescue on Lake Powell, where a young man jumped off a 
cliff and didn't resurface, and we had to locate him with 
underwater search equipment and divers.
    Just a few extreme examples of some of the things we deal 
with out there on public lands every day.
    We get our funding from a number of sources: county funds, 
tourism tax dollars, a little bit of SRS funding or PILT 
funding. Like I said, property taxes and state search and 
rescue reimbursement funds and fees. This will be a good 
opportunity for a partnership with the Federal Government to 
try to keep up with the demand and the needs.
    America's sheriffs are happy to work with Congress. We are 
excited to see this bill move forward, and we are thankful for 
that. And I look forward to answering any questions that you 
might have for me. Thank you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Glover follows:]
    
               Prepared Statement of Sheriff Tracy Glover
               
                              on H.R. 9165

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse and members of the 
subcommittee. My name is Tracy Glover. I am the sheriff of Kane County 
in Southern Utah.
    I am the president of the Utah Sheriffs' Association and one of 
three sheriffs that serve by appointment to the Utah Search and Rescue 
(SAR) Advisory Board. I am an elected member of the executive board for 
the Western States Sheriffs' Association where I chair the Public Lands 
committee. I am here today with orders to represent the sheriffs within 
each of those organizations.
    I appreciate the opportunity to speak in favor of H.R. 9165 and to 
the unique challenges of Search and Rescue operations on public lands. 
Across the west, it is generally the county sheriff that holds primary 
responsibility for Search and Rescue. America's western sheriffs 
appreciate Congresswoman Maloy and the co-sponsors for recognizing a 
growing problem and trying to help us fix it.
    To be direct, county sheriffs are seeing significant increases in 
visitation to public lands. Calls for rescue are growing and getting 
more complex. Domestic and foreign travelers are continually seeing new 
photos of spectacular landscapes on social media platforms and adding 
them as bucket list destinations. H.R. 9165 will provide a mechanism 
for the federal government to provide financial support to county 
sheriffs through SAR grants to better serve visitors to our public 
lands.
    I live in a unique and spectacular part of the country. From the 
4,300 square miles in Kane County and the surrounding counties, 
visitors can access millions of acres of national parks, national 
recreation areas, national forests, wilderness areas and national 
monuments. Kane County has a population under 10,000 but is host to 
more than 5 million visitors each year.
    When I started in law enforcement 28 years ago, Search and Rescue 
missions consisted of a jeep posse and a few people on horses riding 
out to find an occasional lost hunter. Over time, public lands have 
developed, been discovered and are managed for more recreation.
    Sheriffs' teams are now spending most of our time with mountain 
rescue, technical rope rescue, underwater search and recovery and in 
helicopters hoisting people to safety. We have had to split our SAR 
teams up into separate disciplines and specialties that require unique 
training, equipment and expertise.
    In the west, most of the land is owned and managed by the federal 
government. In Kane County for example, that federal ownership number 
is 85.5%. The statistics of our SAR missions is similar. Over 95% of 
our rescues are for visitors from out of our area. Over the past 10 
years, our missions have significantly increased in both complexity and 
cost. As you can imagine, technical rescue including aviation, mountain 
snow rescue, water rescue, and recovery requires specialized equipment, 
expertise and significant financial commitment.
    In the state of Utah, we have seen a significant increase in 
helicopter rescue missions. I have included some statistics for the 
record, but in short, the missions have more than doubled over the past 
few years. Utah's sheriffs are now petitioning the state legislature to 
add a 3rd rescue helicopter to meet SAR demands at a cost close to 10 
million dollars.
    In business and much of government, logistics and resources are 
programmed out based on historic probabilities. In Search and Rescue 
planning, we must organize our resources for possibilities rather than 
probabilities.
    A couple of quick examples:
    A few years ago, my colleague Sheriff Matt English from Hood River 
County Oregon was faced with a large rescue mission. On a warm summer 
day on the Eagle Creek Trail off the Columbia River Gorge, a teenage 
boy set off a firework that started a large fire. In what is thought to 
be the largest rescue effort in Oregon history, Sheriff English had to 
quickly jump into action to gather enough resources to rescue 166 
hikers that were trapped by a large and rapidly growing fire and get 
them to safety.
    This operation required cooperation on a local, state and federal 
level at significant cost. Hood River County has only 24,000 residents 
but hosts millions of visitors to Mount Hood and the trails surrounding 
the Columbia River Gorge.
    Last year in Kane County, we had a series of unseasonable flash 
floods in a canyon called Buckskin Gulch which is known as the longest 
slot canyon in North America. The floods washed several hikers miles 
downstream and forced others to high ground. We were fortunate to be 
able to pull 18 cold and injured hikers out of the canyon alive but 
unfortunately, in two separate incidents, four of the hikers perished. 
At a moment's notice, well-trained and physically fit teams of water 
rescue volunteers fought thigh deep quicksand with overhead air support 
from drones and helicopters to complete a very difficult task.
    These are just a couple of extreme examples of how we as sheriffs 
must be prepared and ready for the possibility of what might happen on 
our public lands.
    SAR is currently funded through a network of resources that combine 
to provide for the needs of sheriffs' SAR teams. In my county, county 
commissioners appropriate tourism tax money, PILT/SRS funds, general 
fund/property taxes, state SAR reimbursement funds, as well as 
donations to fund our operation.
    As public land access, management, and visitation increases and 
becomes more complex, we must work together to find innovative ways to 
keep up. H.R. 9165 will provide a vehicle to get a more robust 
cooperative partnership moving between the federal land management 
agencies and qualifying sheriffs that are most heavily impacted by 
public lands rescues.
    America's Sheriffs are happy to work with Congress and excited to 
see this bill move forward and to get a program in place that will 
achieve such an important objective. Thank you again for the 
opportunity to testify on such an important bill, I look forward to 
answering any questions you may have.

                          Utah DPS Aero Bureau

2020 Helicopter Rescue Statistics

    Total Missions: 284
    People Found: 149
    Hoists: 44
2021 Helicopter Rescue Statistics

    Total Missions: 348
    People Found: 139
    Hoists: 50
    BLM Flight Hours 280.3
    USFS Flight Hours 280.6
    NPS Flight Hours 87.4
2022 Helicopter Rescue Statistics

    Total Missions: 538
    People Found: 195
    Hoists: 120
    BLM Flight Hours 285.4
    USFS Flight Hours 183.0
    NPS Flight Hours 117.1
2023 Helicopter Rescue Statistics

    Total Missions: 886
    People Found: 293
    Hoists: 131
    BLM Flight Hours 362.6
    USFS Flight Hours 172.9
    NPS Flight Hours 120.4
2024 Helicopter Rescue Statistics

    Total Missions: 906
    People Found: 282
    Hoists: 156
    BLM Flight Hours 371.1
    USFS Flight Hours 189.6
    NPS Flight Hours 92.7
    
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    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Sheriff Glover. I will now 
recognize Mr. Elias Eiguren, Treasurer of the Owyhee Basin 
Stewardship Coalition.
    Mr. Eiguren, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

    STATEMENT OF ELIAS EIGUREN, TREASURER, OWYHEE BASIN
           STEWARDSHIP COALITION, JORDAN VALLEY

    Mr. Eiguren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. My 
name is Elias Eiguren. I appear here today in support of H.R. 
10082, with the understanding that this bill is a work in 
progress, subject to further change and negotiation.
    I am a fourth-generation cattle rancher from Arock, Oregon, 
a small ranching community in southern Malheur County, 150 
miles southwest of Boise, Idaho. My great grandfather, Pascual 
Eiguren, left the Basque Country in Spain at the age of 12 to 
meet his uncle, who was already in the Owyhee region. Like most 
of the Basque people who have immigrated to America, my great-
grandfather left to escape poverty and hunger. He purchased the 
sheep ranch in 1914, where 110 years later my wife and I ranch 
in partnership with my parents, continuing to raise livestock 
and our four children, who will hopefully be the next 
generation of agriculturalists that will feed our great nation.
    Most ranching families in this area have a similar story, 
an ancestor fleeing from poverty and deprivation in another 
country to find a better life in the high desert of 
southeastern Oregon, which has led to a multi-generational 
agricultural operation. Achieving a history like this is a 
result of hard work and grit, but it also requires long-term 
vision. Had our ancestors made poor decisions based on short-
term gain, this unforgiving landscape would have sent us 
elsewhere long ago.
    Malheur County consists of approximately 6 million acres of 
land. Upwards of 4 million acres, so 2 out of 3, are federally 
managed. Agriculture is our economic foundation, with crop 
production in the north end and cattle production throughout. 
The 30,000 souls who live there are considered the poorest by 
capita by county in the state.
    The Owyhee Basin Stewardship Coalition, the OBSC, was 
formed in early 2016 as a grassroots response in the county to 
the threat of a national monument designation, championed by 
NGOs and an outdoor apparel company, that would consist of 2.5 
million acres. The OBSC consists of ranchers, sportsmen, 
business, and mining interests who all live, work, and recreate 
in Malheur County. I am one of the executive board members for 
the OBSC, and also serve as treasurer. Our campaign of ``No 
Monument Without a Vote of Congress'' was heard throughout our 
state and nation. We believe that a monument designation would 
injure our local economy by restricting or eliminating current 
agricultural practices on these lands, as well as overwhelm 
this landscape with tourists and recreationalists in 
detrimental ways.
    Thankfully, President Obama left office choosing not to 
designate the proposed monument.
    The main concerns of our membership are land health and 
certainty for our local economy. To this end, we are asking for 
protection from a monument designation which would attract 
greater attention from the neighboring Treasure Valley, which 
has exploded beyond 850,000 people in recent years; increased 
flexibility for the BLM in regard to grazing management to 
mitigate damage from wildfire and invasive weeds; sufficient 
transportation/access; and wilderness study area resolution 
with released land returning to multiple use.
    The OBSC approached our senior Senator, Ron Wyden, to lead 
a collaborative effort to find a legislative solution to 
Federal land concerns in our county. Meetings began in spring 
of 2019 under the Senator's guidance, and have resulted in 
Senate Bill 1890. The OBSC is grateful for the effort and 
leadership put forth by Senator Wyden and his staff.
    We are also thankful to Congressman Bentz for constructing 
the bill before us today based on the OBSC's direction, hours 
of negotiations between Senator Wyden's office and Congressman 
Bentz's office, and the concerns of members of this Committee.
    Movement of this bill will hopefully be the next step in a 
grand compromise intended to address the concerns of those who 
call the Owyhee region home and those who wish to visit.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Eiguren follows:]
    
      Prepared Statement of Elias Eiguren, Treasurer, Owyhee Basin
                         Stewardship Coalition
                         
                             on H.R. 10082

    Good afternoon. My name is Elias Eiguren. I appear here today in 
support of H.R. 10082, with the understanding that this bill is a work 
in progress, subject to further change and negotiation. I am a fourth 
generation cattle rancher from Arock, OR, a small ranching community in 
southern Malheur County, 150 miles southwest of Boise, ID. My great 
grandfather, Pascual Eiguren, left the Basque Country in Spain at the 
age of 12 to meet his uncle who was already in the Owyhee region. Like 
most of the Basque people who have immigrated to America, my great 
grandfather left to escape poverty and hunger. He purchased the ``Sheep 
Ranch'' in 1914; where, 110 years later, my wife and I ranch in 
partnership with my parents, continuing to raise livestock and our four 
children who will hopefully be the next generation of agriculturalists 
that will feed our great nation.
    Most ranching families in this area have a similar story. An 
ancestor fleeing from poverty and deprivation in another country to 
find a better life in the high desert of SouthEastern Oregon, which has 
led to a multi-generational agricultural operation. Achieving a history 
like this is a result of hard work and grit, but also requires a long 
term vision. Had our ancestors made poor decisions based on short term 
gain, this unforgiving landscape would have sent us elsewhere long ago.
    Malheur County consists of approximately six million acres of land. 
Upwards of four million acres (two out of three) are federally managed. 
Agriculture is our economic foundation, with crop production in the 
north end and cattle production throughout. The thirty thousand souls 
who live there are considered the poorest per capita by county in the 
state.
    The Owyhee Basin Stewardship Coalition (OBSC) was formed in early 
2016 as a grassroots response in the county to the threat of a national 
monument designation championed by eNGO's and an outdoor apparel 
company that would consist of 2.5 million acres. The OBSC consists of 
ranchers, sportsmen, business and mining interests who all live, work 
and recreate in Malheur County. I am one of the executive board members 
for the OBSC and also serve as treasurer. Our campaign of ``No 
Monument, without a Vote of Congress'' was heard throughout our state 
and nation. We believe that a monument designation would injure our 
local economy by restricting or eliminating current agricultural 
practices on these lands, as well as overwhelm this landscape with 
tourists and recreationalists in detrimental ways. Thankfully, 
President Obama left office choosing not to designate the proposed 
monument.
    The main concerns of our membership are land health and certainty 
for our local economy. To this end, we are asking for protection from a 
monument designation (which would attract greater attention from the 
neighboring Treasure Valley which has exploded beyond 850,000 people in 
recent years), increased flexibility for the BLM in regard to grazing 
management to mitigate damage from wildfire and invasive weeds, 
sufficient transportation/access, and Wilderness Study Area resolution 
with released land returning to multiple use. The OBSC approached our 
senior senator, Ron Wyden, to lead a collaborative effort to find a 
legislative solution to federal land concerns in our county. Meetings 
began in spring of 2019 under the Senator's guidance, and have resulted 
in S.B. 1890. The OBSC is grateful for the effort and leadership put 
forth by Senator Wyden and his staff.
    We are also thankful to Congressman Bentz for constructing the bill 
before us today, based on the OBSC's direction, hours of negotiations 
between Senator Wyden's office and Congressman Bentz's office, and the 
concerns of members of this committee. Movement of this bill will 
hopefully be the next step in a grand compromise, intended to address 
the concerns of those who call the Owyhee region home and those who 
wish to visit.

                                 ______
                                 
    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Mr. Eiguren. Next, I would like to 
recognize Ms. Sherri Brennan, a member of the Public Lands 
Council.
    Ms. Brennan, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

     STATEMENT OF SHERRI BRENNAN, MEMBER, PUBLIC LANDS
                COUNCIL, SONORA, CALIFORNIA

    Ms. Brennan. Thank you, Chairman Tiffany and members of the 
Subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to provide 
testimony on Congressman LaMalfa's bill, H.R. 7666. My name is 
Sherri Brennan, and I am from Sonora, California. I live and 
raise cattle in Tuolumne County, home to the Stanislaus 
National Forest, and we have held grazing permits there since 
1985. Today, I am testifying on behalf of the Public Lands 
Council, the organization that represents the unique interests 
of cattle and sheep producers who hold Federal grazing permits. 
My testimony in support of H.R. 7666 draws from my experience 
as a permittee and from my experience as a County Supervisor 
for Tuolumne County District 1.
    H.R. 7666 would direct the U.S. Forest Service to develop a 
strategy to more fully incorporate grazing as a fire reduction 
tool. While the agency can and should already include grazing 
as one of their management options, they often do not. The need 
is clear. The Forest Service's most recent strategy for 
confronting the wildfire crisis didn't mention grazing once, 
despite study after study showing that grazing in dangerous 
fuel has multiple benefits.
    Each year, livestock grazing removes more than 11 billion 
pounds of fine fuels in California alone. The livestock are 
growing and benefiting from grazing the dried grasses that 
would be prime fuel for next year's fire. These grazing 
allotments are largely safe from the worst kind of fire 
conditions, except for those in dense, tall timber, as is the 
case for many Forest Service allotments. There you need to 
control fine fuels and the taller, denser shrubs to ensure fire 
does not have the opportunity to get into the tree canopy.
    I know this from firsthand experience. The 2013 Rim Fire 
burned more than 250,000 acres in Tuolumne County. No one in my 
area was unaffected. We personally lost livestock, saw intense 
damage to our grazing allotments, lost infrastructure, and had 
to deal with compromised air and water quality. The Rim Fire 
dumped more than 15 million metric tons of carbon into the 
atmosphere during the fire. That is the equivalency of 3 
million cars. The decay of the downed trees and other materials 
not salvaged after the fire have contributed to another 90 
million metric tons over the last decade.
    At the time, the Rim Fire was the second largest in 
California history. But every year, we seem to see larger and 
larger fires. The Dixie Complex, which my friend and neighbor, 
Dave Daly, discussed with this Committee last year, dwarfed the 
Rim Fire, burning more than 930,000 acres. For both the Rim 
Fire and the Dixie Complex, as well as fires across the 
country, the cause of the escalation from wildfire to 
catastrophic wildfire is clear: there is too much fuel on the 
landscape. The combination of reduced grazing and timber 
harvest and the lack of meaningful fuel breaks has made many 
parts of the West one long stretch of high fuel loads. Eight 
million acres have burned so far this year. What is worse is 
that every year the percentage of total acres that experience 
the worst kind of fire, high intensity burns, continues to 
grow.
    There is a way to fix this. Targeted grazing with the 
intention of fuels reduction can remove up to 1,000 pounds of 
fine fuels per acre. This means that if the area burns, the 
fires are likely to be shorter flames, under 4 feet tall, which 
means it is safe for fire responders and those in the area. 
Less fuel, cooler flames, and safer firefighters should be 
common objectives.
    The agency should maintain use of regular permitted 
grazing, while being more intentional about using targeted 
grazing to create fuel breaks to change fire behavior and 
strategically reduce fire risk. Forest Service staff seem to 
think of grazing only as a use, a permitted activity, and often 
have a hard time realizing that it can be both a use and a 
tool. The Forest Service tends to focus on prescribed fire and 
herbicides as their primary tools for targeted fuels reduction, 
but have pulled back on the use of prescribed fire after the 
disaster in New Mexico, and herbicides continue to come under 
intense scrutiny.
    Grazing is the perfect alternative, and one that must be 
utilized on more than a pilot basis. Representative LaMalfa's 
bill is the best way to show the Forest Service that they have 
everything to gain by putting an effective, easy-to-deploy tool 
in their toolbox. Now is the time to get ahead of the impending 
disasters of next year's season.
    Thank you, Chairman Tiffany. I am happy to answer any 
questions the Committee has.

    [The prepared statement of Ms. Brennan follows:]
    
   Prepared Statement of Sherri Brennan, Member, Public Lands Council
   
                              on H.R. 7666

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony on 
Congressman LaMalfa's bill, H.R. 7666. My name is Sherri Brennan, and I 
am from Sonora, California. I live and raise cattle in Tuolumne County, 
home to the Stanislaus National Forest and just adjacent to one of the 
world's most iconic national parks: Yosemite National Park. I am a 
public lands grazing permittee on the Stanislaus and have held a 
grazing permit since 1985.
    Today, I'm testifying on behalf of the Public Lands Council (PLC), 
the organization that focuses solely on representing the cattle and 
sheep producers in this country who hold federal grazing permits. 
Founded in 1968, PLC sprung from the recognition that federal grazing 
permittees face unique and mounting challenges because they not only 
factor in the careful management of their private lands, but they are 
also engaged in a constant negotiation with the federal government on 
how best to graze and manage their public lands grazing allotments.
    This balance is one I know well, both as a grazing permittee and 
Tuolumne County Supervisor for District One, which is why I am so 
pleased to support H.R. 7666, which would require development of a 
strategy to expand the use of targeted grazing in wildfire reduction 
strategies, resulting in a more fulsome incorporation of grazing in the 
agency's planning toolbox.
    In California, effective land management is crucial since much of 
the forest and grazing land is owned or managed by the federal 
government. Sadly, fire is a constant part of our planning. Today, I 
will be sharing my experiences from the 2013 Rim Fire, which burned 
257,171 acres in Tuolumne County as a prime example for why targeted 
grazing is absolutely crucial if we're going to make meaningful strides 
in reducing catastrophic wildfire risk. When the Rim Fire started, it 
was the largest fire in the Sierra Nevada Range and the 3rd largest 
wildland fire in California. Today it ranks 12th in size for California 
and is no longer ranked in the top 20 for the most destructive/
costliest fires. The four biggest fires in California history--totaling 
more than 2.8 million acres--have all occurred in the last six years. 
Before that, the Santiago Canyon Fire in 1889 was the largest fire in 
California history that burned 300,000 acres.\1\
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    \1\ Western Fire Chiefs Association, November 17, 2024.
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    We now regularly see fires that exceed 300,000 acres, and sadly 
this is not unique to California. This year alone, more than 8 million 
acres burned across the country,\2\ with several record--breaking fire 
seasons for Western states. This number exceeds the 10-year average for 
both the number of fires and the number of acres burned, confirming a 
troubling trend in the West's expectations for worsening fire seasons.
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    \2\ National Interagency Fire Center, November 17, 2024.
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    This trend has clear roots in the land management decisions with 
which this Committee is intimately familiar. Decreasing timber 
harvests, reduced hazardous fuels reductions, and similarly harmful 
reductions in grazing on federal lands have resulted in millions of 
acres across the West being at higher risk from catastrophic wildfire 
than necessary. Over the last several decades, the number of livestock 
authorized to graze on federal lands has been significantly reduced. 
Today approximately 4,000 cow/calf pairs graze on 35 active allotments 
on the Stanislaus National Forest down from the peak of 19,500 animals 
in the 1950s.
    The federal agencies have also significantly reduced the use of 
proven techniques for controlling fuels like timber harvests and 
salvage sales and have been limited in effective use of methods to 
control fine fuels, like prescribed fire and grazing. Some of these 
have been limited by dry summers and challenging weather conditions, 
but the agencies have been reticent to use tools like targeted grazing 
even when conditions are ideal for this kind of non-invasive fuels 
reduction.
    Properly applied, prescribed grazing for vegetation management 
(also referred to as targeted grazing) is a climate-smart solution to 
removing flammable vegetation and altering fuel profiles to influence 
fire behavior and create defensible space.3,4 It can replace 
other more energy--intensive fuels management techniques (like mowing 
and herbicide application) and, along with prescribed fire, is the only 
fuels management technique that removes fuel from the landscape, and 
simply does not rearrange it. At the end of this testimony, I have 
provided a map that demonstrates the complicated forest land use 
limitations that triggered the Rim Fire. This complex patchwork of land 
management designations is applicable on many forests throughout the 
West today, as grazing permittees and land managers face increasing 
demands to manage multiple use in challenging ecological conditions.
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    \3\ Rouet-Leduc, J., et al. 2021. Effects of large herbivores on 
fire regimes and wildfire mitigation. Journal of Applied Ecology. 58:12 
(2690-2702).
    \4\ Launchbaugh, K. and J. Walker. 2006. Targeted grazing handbook. 
University of Idaho. Accessed at https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/rx-
grazing/handbook.htm.
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    California's recent experience with catastrophic wildfire 
emphasizes the need to use all available tools, including livestock 
grazing, to adapt to changing conditions.\5\ The Rim Fire set a new 
level of destruction for our community, industry, the environment and 
three local ranching families with USFS grazing allotments, within the 
Rim Fire perimeter. Aside from the soaring loss of dead cattle and 
physical infrastructure, the economic loss from the 3rd and 4th 
quarters on the tourism industry exceeded $100 million, schools were 
closed for weeks, and 15,000 residents were under evacuation orders. 
Wildfire smoke, which contains nitrogen oxides, volatile organic 
compounds, and particulate matter, harmful impacts on human health were 
detected in two-thirds of the state of California, and a large portion 
of Nevada.
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    \5\ Svejcar, T., et al. 2014. Western Land Managers will Need all 
Available Tools for Adapting to Climate Change, Including Grazing: A 
Critique of Beschta et al. Environmental Management 53 (1035-1038).
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    The fire also threatened the Hetch Hetchy reservoir, the main 
source of water for San Francisco. On August 26, the San Francisco 
Public Utilities Commission moved water away from Hetch Hetchy into 
downstream reservoirs located in San Mateo and Alameda Counties. Within 
the Rim Fire perimeter, 45 California Spotted owl nesting sites and 1/5 
of the known Great Grey owl nesting sites in the state of California 
burned the majority within high severity burn zones.
    The Rim Fire emitted an estimated 15 million metric tons of carbon, 
equivalent to three million cars and destroyed up to $72 million 
dollars' worth of carbon storage on private lands. Roughly 75% of the 
private land or 75,000 acres were treated and have a thriving mixed 
conifer forest. It's also important to note that the 15 million metric 
tons of greenhouse gas that were emitted during the active fire period 
represent only 10-15% of the total Greenhouse gas emitted by the Rim 
Fire. Local estimates suggest that an additional 90 million metric tons 
will be emitted through the ongoing decay process over the next decade.
    Grazing--or the lack of grazing--plays a significant role in fire 
behavior and what comes next after fire. The Eagle Meadow allotment is 
an example of an area that has seen extreme reductions each time the 
allotment has changed ownership. The carrying capacity is 150 cow/calk 
pairs, but the average forage utilization rarely exceeds 20% with an 
allowable use of 40%. With the yearly compounding fuel load as a result 
of decreased grazing and timber management, the Donnell Fire in 2018 
burned through the Eagle Meadow allotment at an extraordinary and 
abnormal rate for fire above 6,500 feet of elevation. Sadly, the 
Donnell Fire devastated the community of Dardanelle and destroyed more 
than 130 structures.
    It's important to distinguish the value of traditional permitted 
livestock grazing from targeted grazing specifically for fire 
reduction. All grazing removes dangerous fuels from the landscape in a 
way that improves the impact of fire on the landscape while focusing on 
livestock growth and yield. High intensity grazing for a short time can 
reduce up to 42% of fuels on the landscape,\6\ which not only reduces 
the intensity of fire but improves post-fire regrowth. Targeted grazing 
has similar fuel management benefits, but can be shaped and directed to 
make the best use of the grazing activity to remove the most amount of 
fuel from the highest risk locations. Targeted grazing is simply the 
adjustment of timing, frequency, duration and intensity of livestock 
grazing to achieve a specific ecological outcome.\7\ This flexibility 
makes it a cost-effective, nimble tool, in contrast with other 
mechanical tools that cost double or triple the base cost of targeted 
grazing.\8\
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    \6\ Davies, K., et al. 2022. Moderate grazing during the off-season 
(fall-winter) reduces exotic annual grasses in sagebrush-bunchgrass 
steppe. Rangeland Ecology and Management. 82 (51-57).
    \7\ Bailey, D., et. al. 2019. Synthesis paper: Targeted livestock 
grazing: Prescription for healthy rangelands. Rangeland Ecology and 
Management. 72:6 (865-877).
    \8\ Nader, G., et al. 2007. Planned herbivory in the management of 
wildfire fuels. Rangelands. 29(5): 18-24.
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    A 2020 study from the University of California, Davis calculated 
that livestock in California removed more than 11 billion pounds of 
fine fuels that would have otherwise been dangerous tinder for 
wildfires, and targeted grazing could remove up to 1,000 pounds of 
fuels per acre which would reduce the flame height and flame speed to 
less than 4 feet; \9\ this is important because 4 feet is typically the 
threshold where fire becomes too dangerous for firefighters to fight 
safely.
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    \9\ Ratcliff, F.; Barry, S., et al. (2023). Cattle Grazing 
Moderates Greenhouse Gas and Particulate Matter Emissions from 
California Grassland Wildfires. Sustainability. 15:18.

    The need for immediate use of all available tools is clear. 
Representative LaMalfa knows this well, and H.R. 7666 takes immediate 
steps to ensure all tools--including grazing--are readily available for 
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agency use. Immediate opportunities include:

  1.  Maintenance of acres previously treated by mechanical fuel 
            reduction work. Grazing is an effective tool to maintain 
            positive ecological conditions, particularly when the goals 
            are retention of native grasses and prevention of woody 
            shrub encroachment.

  2.  Creation of natural fire/fuel breaks. Because of the way 
            livestock graze, they create a variable pattern of fuel 
            densities. This change in fuel densities changes fire 
            behavior, and reduces the risk of fire intensity, 
            minimizing the percentage of high severity acres burned.

  3.  Maintenance of areas post-fire to prevent adverse ecological 
            outcomes from invasive plants and forbs. After the Rim 
            Fire, USFS excluded grazing from 3/5 of the burned area 
            (150,000 acres) as a matter of ``policy consistency''. That 
            exclusion allowed invasive non-native grasses to take hold 
            and encouraged conifer encroachment in the ``open'', 
            freshly-burned space. Grazing resumed more than a year 
            later, but by that time it was too late. Three years after 
            the fire, the area experienced a complete type conversion. 
            What had previously been a mixed conifer stand was now 
            predominantly a brush/oak landscape that decreases forage 
            on the landscape for livestock and wildlife, increases 
            water use, and creates dense stands that are more likely to 
            burn again. Today, less than 20% of the public land has had 
            any mechanical treatment.

    One of the current barriers to use of targeted grazing is due in 
large part to USFS attitudes about targeted grazing. A recently 
published research brief released by researchers from University of 
Idaho \10\ in coordination and cooperation with USFS personnel from 
Region 4 and 6 highlights many of the challenges and opportunities 
embedded within the culture of the agency with respect to utilizing 
targeted grazing on USFS lands.
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    \10\ Katherine Wollstein, Ph.D., Natural Resources, 2022. 
Dissertation title: ``Outcome-Based Management and Federal Rangeland 
Administration: Reframing Adaptive Management on a Complex 
Institutional Landscape.'' Placement: Extension Assistant Professor at 
Oregon State University.

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    While USFS may consider targeted grazing, it often simply does 
not. Too often, USFS personnel are reluctant to use grazing as a tool 
to replace treatments like herbicide application or prescribed fire 
unless their range staff counterparts suggest grazing on a ``pilot'' 
basis. Because targeted grazing is largely treated like a one-off 
experiment despite the proven benefits, the need for H.R. 7666 is 
clear. Repeatedly in California, comments are submitted to forest plan 
revisions, like the California Cattlemen's Association and the 
California Cattlemen's Foundation comments submitted April 2024 on the 
Draft Environment Impact Statement (EIS) for SERAL 2.0; while there 
were significant grazing components included in the draft, the agency 
completely omitted grazing provisions in the final EIS. This trend, 
unfortunately, continues across the West. If enacted, H.R. 7666 would 
direct USFS to capitalize on the mutually inclusive benefits cattle 
ranchers do every day when they work to produce food and fiber, they 
are enhancing biodiversity and habitat, sequestering carbon, and 
protecting the myriad of ecosystem services society benefits from our 
public lands when we minimize the risk from catastrophic wildfires. 
Expanding the opportunity to apply targeted grazing will strengthen the 
protection of communities while expanding economic opportunities 
throughout the state.
    Thank you, Representative LaMalfa, for listening to the needs of 
all of us in California and across the West and thank you to the 
Committee for inviting me to testify today.

     Appendix A: Stanislaus National Forest Management Complexities

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    Of the one million acres included in the Stanisluas National 
Forest, many areas have restricted management potential as a result of 
layered land management designations: Protected Activity Centers, 
Wilderness and Wild and Scenic Rivers, Resource Natural Areas, areas 
with Old Growth Emphasis, and more, all of which limit many kinds of 
mechanical treatments where targeted grazing can be a beneficial 
replacement.

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    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Ms. Brennan.
    Before I go to the next witness, I ask unanimous consent 
for the following letter from the American Farm Bureau 
Federation be added to the record for today's hearing. The 
letter supports H.R. 6441, H.R. 7666, and H.R. 9062. In part, 
it says, ``Livestock grazing on Federal lands is critical to 
ranching operations across the United States, especially in the 
West. Ranchers, land users, and surrounding communities have 
been devastated by wildfires and depend on a new focus towards 
appropriate, proactive forest management, including grazing, to 
reduce wildfire risk.''
    Without objection, so ordered.

    [The information follows:]

                    American Farm Bureau Federation
                             Washington, DC

                                              November 18, 2024    

Hon. Tom Tiffany, Chairman
Hon. Joe Neguse, Ranking Member
House Natural Resources Committee
Subcommittee on Federal Lands
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Dear Chairman Tiffany and Ranking Member Neguse:

    As the House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Federal Lands 
prepares to consider several pieces of legislation, the American Farm 
Bureau Federation would like to comment on provisions important to our 
farming, ranching and forestry members. The American Farm Bureau 
Federation is the nation's largest general farm organization, working 
together to build a sustainable future of safe and abundant food, 
fiber, timber and renewable fuel for our nation and the world.

    As a general matter, we support the multiple-use concept of federal 
lands, oppose expansion of designated wilderness areas and the addition 
of more rivers and adjoining land to the National Wild and Scenic 
Rivers System, and support appropriate forest management and the 
reduction in size of currently designated national monuments and 
wilderness areas. Legislation that limits land and water use harms 
farmers and ranchers who rely on federal lands for economic and 
recreational opportunities. Livestock grazing on federal lands is 
critical to ranching operations across the United States, especially in 
the West. Ranchers, land users and surrounding communities have been 
devastated by wildfires and depend on a new focus toward appropriate 
and proactive forest management, including grazing, to reduce wildfire 
risk.

    We appreciate the subcommittee's consideration of several bills to 
improve the management of public lands in the West through grazing. 
Farm Bureau supports H.R. 6441, the Ranching Without Red Tape Act of 
2023, H.R. 7666, a bill to require the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture to 
develop a strategy to increase opportunities to utilize livestock 
grazing as a means of wildfire risk reduction, and H.R. 9062, the 
Operational Flexibility Grazing Management Program Act. These bills 
would address the need for more timely approval of minor range 
improvements; focus on the use of vacant allotments during disasters in 
other areas and increase the use of grazing for wildfire risk 
reduction; and provide authority for expanding the existing Bureau of 
Land Management operational flexibility pilot program.

    Farmers, ranchers and foresters play an integral role in managing 
our shared public lands, and we urge the committee to move legislation 
that ensures these spaces can be safely used and enjoyed for 
generations to come.

            Sincerely,

                                              Zippy Duvall,
                                                          President

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    Mr. Tiffany. I now recognize Mr. Jeff Young, President of 
the Utah Cattlemen's Association.
    You have 5 minutes, Mr. Young.

          STATEMENT OF JEFF YOUNG, PRESIDENT, UTAH
           CATTLEMEN'S ASSOCIATION, HENEFER, UTAH

    Mr. Young. Thank you, Chairman Tiffany and members of the 
Subcommittee, for the opportunity to provide testimony today on 
Congressman Curtis' bill, H.R. 9062, and Congressman Vasquez's 
bill, H.R. 6441.
    My name is Jeff Young, and I am a rancher from Henefer, 
Utah. I serve as President of the Utah Cattlemen's Association, 
and I am a member of the Public Lands Council and the National 
Cattlemen's Beef Association. My testimony stems from my 
experience as General Manager of the Ensign Ranches, where we 
graze on public lands in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming. I have 
served in this role for 30 years, working with the BLM and U.S. 
Forest Service to manage our grazing lands. This experience is 
why I see such a clear need for the Operational Flexibility 
Grazing Management Act.
    This bill provides much-needed flexibility to ensure land 
managers like me can be responsive to what the land needs, 
while also maintaining compliance with our grazing permits. 
Resource management shouldn't be static; it should be 
responsive and collaborative. This bill represents an updated, 
modernized way to manage land, understanding that you need 
flexibility to make things work from year to year.
    Flexibility in grazing permits can be as simple as the 
ability to adjust timing, stocking rates, and grazing rotations 
based on real-time conditions. Sometimes we may need to put 
more cattle in a pasture because we got rain early and the 
grass grew faster than normal. Other times we may need to go on 
to an allotment later because we have had a bit of drought, but 
we still need to graze the allotment at the approved rate to 
reduce the risk of next year's fire.
    Under the current structure, the terms of the permit and 
the details in NEPA prevent the permittee from taking this 
action. They have to choose whether to make the best choice for 
the land and water resources, or whether to remain in 
compliance with their permit and the law. Ensuring compliance 
with the law always wins. Allowing more flexibility and turnout 
or even placement of water troughs would benefit land health, 
native vegetation, and biodiversity, all while maintaining the 
ability of ranchers to do business and be in compliant with the 
science that supports their grazing management. These 
activities would still meet all the requirements of NEPA, 
FLPMA, and other laws.
    In addition to Congressman Curtis' bill, H.R. 9062, I am 
glad to support Congressman Gabe Vasquez's legislation, the 
Ranching Without Red Tape Act. This bill is a common-sense 
approach to removing barriers to good range management. It 
would promote more effective management partnerships between 
grazing permittees and their agency partners.
    As part of their grazing permits, ranchers are responsible 
for the construction and maintenance of range improvements. 
Range improvements can be structural or non-structural, and may 
have different requirements based on specific grazing permits. 
These are things like water troughs that benefit livestock and 
wildlife, water pipelines, and even things like seed treatments 
and other invasive species controls.
    All range improvements are considered and analyzed under 
NEPA, but ultimate responsibility for construction and 
maintenance of these improvements lies with the permittee. It 
is my job to make sure water troughs work, water pipelines 
don't leak, and fences are well maintained. If a grazing 
permittee does not maintain these improvements to an adequate 
standard, they are in jeopardy of receiving a notice of non-
compliance, which threatens their ability to hold their grazing 
permit in the future.
    This legislation fixes a significant problem ranchers run 
into far too often: waiting for the agency to give them the 
green light to begin work, even though it is already 
provisionally approved as part of their permit. Often the 
agency is so backlogged or otherwise slow to respond that 
maintenance is delayed for months or years. The result is the 
permittee faces the burden of dealing with an unworkable range 
improvement or risks legal penalty that threatens their permit, 
even if the agency is the reason for the delay.
    Chairman Tiffany and other Members, these bills would 
restore collaboration and establish an improved environment 
where producers and agency partners can come together to 
implement strong, adaptive management plans. Thank you for the 
opportunity to testify today, and I am happy to answer any 
questions the Committee may have.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Young follows:]
    
     Prepared Statement of Jeff Young, President, Utah Cattlemen's 
                              Association
                              
                              on H.R. 9062

    Thank you, Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and Members of 
the Subcommittee. On behalf of America's livestock producers and 
federal lands grazing permittees, I appreciate the opportunity to 
testify today in support of a series of legislative measures that 
remove barriers to responsible, proactive resource management by both 
requiring and allowing federal agencies to support ranchers' good work.
    Currently, I serve as President of the Utah Cattlemen's Association 
(UCA) and have long been a member of UCA the National Cattlemen's Beef 
Association (NCBA), and the Public Lands Council (PLC). I am the 
General Manager of Ensign Ranches whose cattle graze public lands in 
Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming. I have worked in this role for nearly thirty 
years. I have experience working with public land managers in six BLM 
field offices and five USFS district offices. Our cattle spend about 60 
percent of the year grazing federal lands. We have worked closely with 
land managers to address problems resulting from wildfire, grasshopper 
and cricket infestation, drought, severe weather events, and management 
of two wild horse herds. We have invested heavily in the ranges on 
which we operate, installing and maintaining more than 200 miles of 
stock water systems that benefit wildlife, wild horses, as well as our 
livestock.
    I draw experience from Utah, and from around the country. My active 
involvement with NCBA, the American cattle industry's oldest and 
largest national trade association, has given me access to the 
perspective of cattle producers from more than 44 state cattle 
associations with collective memberships numbering about 178,000 
producers. Utah is also a leader in the national PLC, which represents 
every cattle and sheep producer in the West who holds federal grazing 
permits. The perspective I offer comes from detailed discussions of how 
the bills discussed today would improve the grazing industry and 
ranchers' ability to be more fulsome leaders in public land management.
    In Utah, public lands play a significant role in the state's cattle 
and sheep industries. The federal government owns or manages 
approximately 68 percent of the state's lands--more than 37 million 
acres, which is larger than the state of Illinois.\1\ There are some 
counties where the federal government, primarily the Bureau of Land 
Management (BLM), is the primary land holder; some of Utah's counties 
are comprised of more than 90 percent federal land. For us, this means 
that whether we are raising cattle or sheep, hunting, fishing, or 
simply traveling, the federal government has an immediate and visible 
impact on our daily lives.
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    This is particularly true for Utah's cattle producers, who raise 
more than 800,000 \2\ head on an annual basis and contribute to the 
Utah economy. Like our cattle, the vast majority of these livestock 
spend a significant portion of their lives grazing on federal lands. 
Utah's cattle industry contributes $628 million to the state economy on 
an annual basis, but these strict contributions only tell part of the 
story. Across the West, federal lands grazing contributes an additional 
$3.7 billion in ecosystem services \3\ on an annual basis in services 
like wildfire risk reduction, offsetting the need to conduct invasive 
annual grass treatments, infrastructure maintenance, protection of 
wildlife habitat, prevention of water and air contamination, and more.

    \2\ https://www.utahbeef.org/ranchers

    \3\ Maher, A., Ashwell, N., Maczko, K., et al. (2021). An economic 
valuation of federal and private grazing land ecosystem services 
supported by beef cattle ranching in the United States.
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    Both the success of livestock operations and the value derived from 
these ecosystem services depend on a successful relationship between 
ranchers who hold grazing permits and their federal partners. In Utah, 
the BLM administers nearly 1,500 federal grazing permits, each of which 
authorizes grazing on a 10-year basis based on parameters set after 
analysis under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and the 
Federal Land Management and Policy Act (FLPMA). The performance under 
that grazing permit is evaluated on an annual basis. Grazing permittees 
and federal agencies conduct annual monitoring of range conditions and 
grazing conditions of the grazing permit are far too prescriptive. For 
the last several decades, the BLM has often been inclined to be as 
specific as possible in NEPA evaluations in order to avoid the risk of 
frivolous litigation--so often that many of the older NEPA evaluations 
assessed activities with specific dates. For example, a rancher's 
``on'' date--the date they turn livestock out onto an allotment--was 
identified in the NEPA evaluation as if it were fact. Over a 10-year 
period, however, that date (June 15, for example) may need to vary.
    In Utah, precipitation is the most common factor in needing to 
adjust an ``on'' date or an ``off'' date. Take the Sevier Basin Valley 
for example: over the last six years, we have seen high water marks 
halved year to year. In 2018, the basin received approximately 17 
inches of precipitation, which doubled in 2023.\4\ This variability 
affects when grass grows, how quickly it grows, and is a factor in 
whether late-season grass growth will contribute to a more aggressive 
fire season the next year.

    \4\ https://water.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/PrecipitationGraphs/
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    For ranchers, this requires annual management changes. One year, we 
may have an incredibly wet spring and need to turn livestock out early 
to make best use of the forage and optimize regrowth. In this scenario 
under current permit conditions, we would be unable to turn out early 
because the permit and NEPA doesn't allow it. The next year, it may be 
a cold, dry spring and we may need to delay turnout a week or 10 days 
to ensure the livestock aren't grazing the short grasses too close to 
the ground and stunting late spring/summer growth. In this scenario, 
current permit conditions would allow us to delay our turnout date, but 
we would still be required to adhere to the ``off'' date specified in 
the permit--even if we had not used the full forage allocation. While 
permittees are intensely focused and invested in landscape health, 
ranching is also a business, and many ranchers cannot afford to lose 
forage access that is crucial to their livestock's growth. Having 
flexibility in these on and off dates on an annual basis would allow 
ranchers and their agency partners to make more responsive changes to 
landscape needs.
    Flexibility in grazing permits and the ability to adjust timing, 
stocking rates, and grazing rotations based on real-time conditions 
allows ranchers to play an active role in improving the health of the 
land, including maintaining native vegetation, promoting biodiversity, 
and reducing the risk of catastrophic wildfire. A rigid system that 
doesn't allow for flexibility undermines the collaborative spirit 
necessary to create sustainable, long-term solutions.
    For thousands of permittees across the West, these changes are 
simply not possible if the agency and the permittee remain in strict 
compliance with their permit. Plainly put, sometimes the specificity of 
NEPA and the construction of the permit result in the permittee and the 
agency choosing whether to make the best choice for the land and water 
resources, or whether to remain in compliance with the law. It goes 
without saying that ensuring compliance with the law wins every time.

    H.R. 9062 provides relief. The bill removes the false choice 
between legal compliance and landscape health. It would allow the 
agency and permittee to work together to determine the kind of 
flexibility in management needed to make best use of the allotment--and 
best use of grazing as a land management tool. The bill is modeled on 
flexibilities provided in the BLM's Outcome Based Grazing pilot program 
authorized in 2018 that has proven its success over the last several 
years.
    Wyoming rancher and former PLC President Niels Hansen volunteered 
his ranch to be an early adopter of the BLM's pilot program because he 
saw the opportunity to demonstrate the value of this flexibility, even 
if it took a little more work to navigate a new pilot program:

        We [the PH Ranch] are the Outcome Based Grazing ranch for 
        Wyoming, with the flexibility written into our grazing permits 
        we have been able to adopt to the changing weather patterns and 
        the market pressures of the recent years.

        We operate on approximately two hundred forty thousand 
        (240,000) acres of mixed and intermingled BLM and private 
        property. We have been practicing Joint Cooperative Monitoring 
        on these lands for approximately 30 years during which we 
        experienced a wide range of weather events ranging from 
        severely dry summers followed by hard winters. We were able to 
        take all of that into account during the development of our 
        Outcome Based Grazing Permit so that we'd be able to adjust our 
        cow herd and our grazing practices.

        One example is that during these dry years we had been steadily 
        reducing our cow herd and didn't know what was going to come 
        next. During the summer of 2022 we operated at approximately 
        thirty percent (30%) of our normal numbers. At this time, we 
        advised BLM of our plans to liquidate the remainder of the herd 
        if we didn't see a change in the weather, which means that we 
        wouldn't meet the legal requirement of minimum numbers to hold 
        our grazing permit. We also developed a plan to rebuild the 
        herd over time with the knowledge that we'd get rain eventually 
        so we'd need a way to mange the forage and resume operations. 
        We explained that after several bad years we would need to 
        diversify and over time build a new herd. Through the Outcome 
        Based Grazing process, we were able to make plans for our cows 
        and for the land to make sure it wouldn't suffer in the drought 
        or after.

        Use of our high desert land is most often dictated by the 
        available water. Our operation has areas that lend itself to 
        Short Duration High Intensity Grazing because it gets more 
        precipitation, and other areas with limited water that need a 
        lower number of cattle grazing for longer periods of time. By 
        writing two grazing plans, one plan with our normal numbers and 
        slightly expanded on and off dates, and the other with a 
        drought management plan that allows us to graze using short 
        duration and high intensity (higher cow or yearling numbers) as 
        our preferred tool, we're able to meet the needs of both our 
        cows and the land.

        Since completing our Outcome permits, we have been able to 
        quickly adapt our management to fit our range, weather and 
        market conditions better which has made our ranch easier to 
        manage and economically stronger for the future.

    Resource management shouldn't be static, it should be responsive. 
The best part is that it works. Mr. Hansen's management was recently 
recognized by the BLM as their 2024 awardee for the Rangeland 
Innovation Award, which recognizes the demonstrated use of beneficial 
management practices to restore, protect, or enhance rangeland 
resources while working with the BLM and other partners. The PH Ranch 
is just one of a number of ranches in the West that enrolled in the 
program, and use of these flexibilities should be available to every 
permittee.
    While H.R. 9062 isn't a direct replica of the BLM's existing 
program, it provides the necessary flexibility for permittees and the 
agency to do what they need to do on an annual basis. Representative 
Curtis' bill allows for changes in on and off dates, changes in water 
placement that benefits both livestock and wildlife, and generally 
makes everyone more responsive to the needs of the landscape. All of 
these activities would still be compliant with NEPA, FLPMA, and all the 
other requirements currently in place for these activities.
H.R. 6441, the Ranching Without Red Tape Act

    I also would like to thank Representative Vasquez for introducing 
the Ranching Without Red Tape Act. His bill occupies the same good-
governance space as Representative Curtis' bill and promotes a more 
effective management partnership between grazing permittees and their 
agency partners.
    As part of their grazing permits, ranchers are responsible for the 
construction and maintenance of range improvements. These range 
improvements can be structural and non-structural, and may have 
different requirements based on the specific grazing permit. All range 
improvements are considered and analyzed under NEPA, but ultimate 
responsibility for construction and maintenance of improvements lies 
with the permittee. Things like fences, water pipelines, wells, 
invasive species treatments, and other prescribed activities are 
examples of things that may be required of a grazing permittee. If a 
grazing permittee does not maintain these improvements to an adequate 
standard, they are in jeopardy of the agency finding them in 
noncompliance which threatens their ability to hold a grazing permit.
    H.R. 6441 fixes a significant problem. Even though a permittee is 
required to do construction or maintenance and the NEPA analysis 
already permits the work, they still need to obtain specific permission 
from the agency to actually begin the work. Often, the agency is so 
backlogged, or otherwise delayed, that maintenance is delayed months or 
years. The result is the permittee facing threats of noncompliance--
even when the agency is the reason for the delay. Simply put, ranchers 
who are trying to be proactive and compliant should not be unfairly 
burdened because their agency partners are unable to respond in a 
reasonable timeframe. I appreciate Representative Vasquez's leadership 
in setting realistic timeframes on when work can begin if an agency 
partner fails to authorize the work in a timely manner.
    In Utah, we often joke that if you don't like the weather, wait 
five minutes and you'll have something different. We need to be able to 
adjust quickly to keep our livestock, our families, and our communities 
safe. We need to be strategic in our management plans to make sure the 
future is more secure than the past. Both of the bills included in my 
testimony are progress in that direction, and I am so pleased to offer 
support for them today. I commend Representative Curtis and 
Representative Vasquez, and their staff, for the time they have taken 
to hear the concerns of ranchers and take steps to address those 
issues.
    It is no secret that over the course of time, trust between our 
nation's ranchers and their federal partners has eroded--often because 
the processes that both parties must follow is not designed to be 
nimble and responsive has eroded. These bills restore collaboration and 
establish an improved environment where producers and agency partners 
can come together to implement strong management plans. By fostering 
flexibility in grazing management, we can help bolster the resilience 
of the landscape, protect our natural resources, and ensure that the 
ranching community continues to thrive for generations to come.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today and I welcome the 
questions of the Committee.

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   Questions Submitted for the Record to Jeff Young, President, Utah 
                        Cattlemen's Association

             Questions Submitted by Representative Vasquez

    Question 1. In your experience, what are some types of range 
improvements that would trigger a lease renegotiation?

    Answer. For the vast majority of federal grazing permittees, range 
improvements are built into the agency's expectations for how the 
permittee manages and maintains the grazing allotment. These 
expectations are built into the ``Terms and Conditions'' (T&Cs) 
associated with the permit, and those Terms and Conditions must be met 
in order for a permittee to maintain their ``good standing'' status. 
The Terms and Conditions agreements are really the documents that guide 
how grazing is carried out on allotment--so while it's not the lease 
itself, it's the primary governing document.
    When a permittee needs to do more extensive work--or install a new 
improvement--to improve the management condition of the allotment, it's 
often a lengthy negotiation process to change the Terms and Conditions 
of the permit. These T&Cs are usually negotiated and approved at the 
beginning of a grazing year, so waiting for new T&Cs is already a 
lengthy delay. In the event that the agency feels that the range 
improvement goes beyond the ability to include in updated T&Cs the 
following year, then the permittee may be required to go through 
cumbersome, extensive assessment processes and face a decreased 
functionality of their grazing allotment.
    These can be things like a supplemental water line to bring water 
to a new part of the allotment during drought, or a new water tank for 
the same reason. It could be temporary fencing or a temporary corral to 
address a livestock movement need, or a culvert to address water 
runoff. These are things that a permittee needs to maintain on an 
allotment to maintain functionality and are required to maintain so 
they meet the requirements of their grazing permit.
    Question 2. What does it mean for a rancher's bottom line to wait 
nine months to repair a fence?

    Answer. In ranching, you need to act quickly to ensure your 
livestock, the wildlife, and the land and water resources stay safe and 
healthy. If I can't repair my fence for nine months, it means I can't 
use that pasture for nine months. I have to provide alternative feed 
for my cattle, I have to make sure no one else comes through that 
fence. It's a safety issue for my livestock and any neighboring 
livestock, but it also has a negative impact on my ability to manage 
the full acreage under my care in the most efficient way.
    It's also worth noting that in a lot of cases, delayed repair of 
infrastructure like a fence or a water line makes the repair much more 
expensive. Constant upkeep on infrastructure reduces long-term repair 
and replacement costs. For things like fences and water infrastructure, 
it is especially important to have constant maintenance because without 
those things, grazing allotments become unusable for current and future 
permittees.

    Question 3. Would reducing the wait time when trying to make minor 
range improvements benefit ranchers in your community?

    Answer. Reduced wait times would not only benefit ranchers in my 
home state of Utah, but for ranchers in your district in New Mexico and 
across the West. Ranchers should have the ability to meet the Terms and 
Conditions (T&Cs) of their grazing permit without overly burdensome 
federal requirements--requirements that don't provide any benefit to 
the rangeland, our management, or the agency. This bill would make the 
entire process more efficient, saving government time and money in 
staffing and paperwork, saving ranchers time that could be spent 
reinvesting in to the landscape, and making the entire grazing 
allotment management system more responsive to on-the-ground needs.

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    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Mr. Young. Next, I will recognize 
Mr. D.L. Wilson, a Solar Projects Manager for La Paz County in 
Arizona.
    Mr. Wilson, you have 5 minutes.

   STATEMENT OF D.L. WILSON, SOLAR PROJECTS MANAGER, LA PAZ 
                    COUNTY, PARKER, ARIZONA

    Mr. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
Subcommittee. I am D.L. Wilson, the Solar Projects Manager for 
La Paz County, and I am grateful for the opportunity to submit 
testimony in strong support of H.R. 8517, the La Paz County 
Solar Energy and Job Creation Act, which will allow La Paz 
County to purchase 3,400 acres of certain Federal lands to 
further its economic development and optimize the generation of 
additional renewable solar energy.
    I served as the La Paz County Supervisor from 2013 to 2020. 
My primary reason for running for office was to find a way to 
provide financial stability for the county, to improve services 
to county residents and visitors without placing additional 
burdens on them. Having been involved in economic development 
in La Paz County since 1991, I was well aware of the barriers 
to development, including limited private land, lack of 
infrastructure, and the sensitivity to water-intensive 
development.
    For many years prior to my becoming supervisor, renewable 
energy development in La Paz County was considered but was not 
feasible, as the high voltage transmission systems were fully 
committed with no capacity for growth. As the Bureau of Land 
Management and the Western Area Power Authority began 
discussions regarding the West-Wide Energy Corridors, including 
routes crossing La Paz County, and the Ten West Link was 
proposed, linking Phoenix to Southern California, it became 
feasible to site utility-scale solar projects in La Paz County. 
The inherent low water use of photovoltaic and the new 
infrastructure addressed two of the three primary barriers to 
renewable solar projects.
    For the county, the most financially advantageous option 
was determined to be to own property for lease to a developer. 
In 2016, we identified 8,800 acres of BLM lands considered to 
be the least impactful to residents, the environment, and 
cultural resources, and being adjacent to the proposed 
transmission corridors. Even though the county did not have 
site control, an RFP was issued to determine interest in the 
proposed site, with the understanding that development was 
contingent upon conveyance to the county through the 
legislative process, and 174 Power Global was selected as our 
partner in 2017. Support was expressed by the Colorado River 
Indian Tribes, and work began on the legislative conveyance. 
Legislation to convey 5,889 acres to the county at fair market 
value was passed in 2019, and conveyance occurred in May 2020.
    So, where are we 4\1/2\ years later? As mentioned before, 
the key component of this project is the Ten West Link 
transmission line and the related Cielo Azul Switchyard to 
provide access to markets. The Ten West Link, which crosses the 
county property, was placed into operations in June 2024, 5 
months ago. The switchyard, located on the county property, is 
scheduled to become operational in January 2025.
    The plan for development on the county property includes 
four battery energy storage projects, four distinct 
photovoltaic projects, two substations, and areas reserved to 
provide transmission access to the switchyard for the four 
other renewable energy projects proposed on state and Federal 
lands adjacent to the county properties. Two of the battery 
projects are under construction. Two of the photovoltaic 
projects are well into the permitting process, as is the first 
substation. Agreements are in place with the Colorado River 
Indian Tribes to ensure any cultural resources and artifacts 
will be preserved according to their traditions during project 
development.
    La Paz County's vision was to own about 9,000 acres for 
solar development. This was considered to provide adequate 
revenue to ensure long-term financial stability and improve 
services for our residents. While the previous conveyance was 
reduced to 6,000 acres, it has always been our plan to pursue 
purchase of the additional 3,000 acres. We have proven the 
ability to maintain a long-term relationship with our 
developer, with the Colorado River Indian Tribes, and the 
expertise to manage the process from concept to permitting and 
into construction.
    Now is the time to enable La Paz County to fully realize 
this vision through passage of H.R. 8517. I would like to thank 
our Congressional Delegation for their leadership on this 
issue, especially Congressman Gosar for introducing H.R. 8517. 
Thank you to this Committee for their time today. And we ask 
that Congress enact the La Paz Solar Energy and Job Creation 
Act as soon as possible. Thank you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Wilson follows:]
    
       Prepared Statement of D.L. Wilson, La Paz County, Arizona
                         Solar Projects Manager
                         
                              on H.R. 8517

    Dear Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, Congressman Gosar, 
and Members of the Subcommittee:
    As La Paz County, Arizona's Solar Projects Manager and previous 
member of the Board of County Supervisors, I am grateful for the 
opportunity to submit testimony in strong support of H.R. 8517, the La 
Paz County Solar Energy and Job Creation Act. This legislation will 
allow La Paz County to purchase 3,400 acres of certain federal lands to 
further its economic development and optimize the generation of 
additional renewable solar energy.
    La Paz County strongly supports the La Paz County Solar Energy and 
Job Creation Act (H.R. 8517). We are grateful to Congressman Gosar for 
his work and support of this important legislation. This bill builds on 
the successful passage of the La Paz County Land Conveyance Act of 2019 
(P.L. 116-9), which conveyed land for fair market value to La Paz 
County to facilitate economic development. Because of that law, La Paz 
County has made remarkable progress in creating a large solar park 
adjacent to the Ten West Link transmission project through central 
Arizona. H.R. 8517 would allow La Paz County to purchase an additional 
3,400 acres of certain federal lands to further optimize the generation 
of renewable solar energy adjacent to that park.
    We remain grateful to the Colorado River Indian Tribes (CRIT) for 
their support of this legislation, as well. La Paz County has worked 
closely with the CRIT to implement the provisions included in P.L. 116-
9 and has executed a robust agreement regarding the protection of 
Tribal artifacts that may be discovered during the construction of this 
important clean energy project. H.R. 8517 contains the same directive 
as in P.L. 116-9, which ensures that as the land is developed, the 
Tribe's Historic Preservation Office remains involved throughout the 
process. This statement has attached a letter of support from the CRIT 
for this legislation in the last Congress.
    The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is analyzing the same acres 
proposed in H.R. 8517 for renewable energy development. However, by 
conveying the lands to La Paz County for fair market value as directed 
in H.R. 8517, La Paz County will be able to obtain the full benefit of 
land ownership by being able to shape the creation of a vibrant and 
diverse local economy. The U.S. government will also be made whole 
through a fair market value transaction. Further, this legislation will 
allow the CRIT to be confident the development process and long-term 
treatment of cultural resources on the site will be managed in exact 
accordance with the Tribe's traditions and the local agreements CRIT 
has established with the County.
Importance of Enhancing Economic Development in La Paz County

    La Paz County's top priority is to attract and share in the 
economic diversification that has occurred elsewhere in Arizona. Our 
county is 4,500 square miles of desert, with less than 6% of our land 
in private ownership, limiting our ability to attract new development. 
Currently, our economy is based primarily on agriculture and tourism, 
especially during the winter months when we welcome over one hundred 
thousand winter visitors that flock in their RVs and travel trailers to 
the banks of the Colorado River and to communities throughout the 
County to utilize our desert lands and enjoy our beautiful climate.
    La Paz County's efforts to diversify its economy are driven by a 
real need to provide new, higher paying jobs for our community. 
According to the 2020 Census, the County's permanent resident 
population is approximately 16,000, a 19% drop from the 2010 Census. 
The unemployment rate is a full percent higher than the statewide 
average. Our population is aging, with 38% over the age of 65, a 6% 
increase in just six years. Nearly 27% of our residents are Latino, 
many of whom work on local farming operations. Our community also 
includes members of the Colorado River Indian Tribes, which comprise 
18% of our population.
    Several years ago, the County pursued a strategic plan and public 
process to find a site and a developer whereby it would attract 
economic development focusing on solar renewable energy generation. The 
concept was like the successful solar development park just outside of 
Boulder City, Nevada, in the Eldorado Valley to our north. With the 
passage of the La Paz Land Conveyance Act, La Paz County successfully 
purchased 5,889 acres of BLM land and moved forward with its long-term 
plans for economic development. H.R. 8517 will allow the County to 
purchase an additional 3,400 acres adjacent to that area. Ownership of 
this land allows the County to control the type of economic development 
that happens in our community and build a sustainable tax base that 
will enable us to provide services to our most vulnerable populations.
Plans for Solar Energy and Job Creation in La Paz County

    To date, La Paz County has executed agreements with 174 Power 
Global to develop the nearly 6,000 acres that were purchased because of 
P.L. 116-9. Based in the United States, 174 Power Global is a solar/
battery project developer with a highly skilled team of professionals 
focused exclusively on solar and storage project development. This 
company was selected by La Paz County because it has successfully 
developed, built, and operated over 2 GW of solar projects in the 
United States and Mexico, including 277 MWh of battery storage 
projects.
    The plans for the La Paz Atlas Solar Project include a combined 
solar photovoltaic plus battery energy storage system project in La Paz 
County, which, when complete, would be among the largest projects in 
the U.S. The first phases of the project are underway on the 5,889 
acres that were conveyed in PL 116-9. It is anticipated this first 
phase of the project will build 700 megawatts (MW) of solar generation 
and 1,000 megawatt-hours of battery storage on site. It will generate 
enough power to supply 105,000 homes and create 900 construction jobs 
plus 15 permanent jobs during operations. Commercial operations are 
anticipated to commence in the second quarter of 2025.
    H.R. 8517 will allow access to additional federal land for the La 
Paz Atlas Solar Projects. This project will provide an additional 3,400 
acres to develop a planned 500 MW of solar capacity and up to 900 MWH 
of battery storage, which is enough to power about 75,000 homes. In 
terms of jobs, this project will create 700 construction jobs and 10 
permanent positions.
Access and Proximity to Ten West Link Transmission and Other Critical 
        Infrastructure
    The La Paz Atlas Solar Projects are uniquely positioned, given 
their proximity to the Ten West Link transmission line. 174 Power 
Global submitted the first interconnection request in April 2017 to the 
Ten West Link transmission project for a capacity of up to 3,200 MW of 
Solar and/or 1,920 MW/ 4-hour duration of battery storage. This means 
the project is well-positioned by being in the earliest queue to 
connect to and utilize the Ten West Link transmission facilities.
    The Ten West Link transmission line (DCR Transmission LLC) is the 
500 kV transmission connection between electrical substations in 
Tonopah, Arizona, and Blythe, California. The transmission project will 
create beneficial new transmission infrastructure that will improve 
transmission system efficiency and reliability while facilitating the 
development of new renewable energy and energy storage resources in 
Arizona and California. This will help both states achieve their 
renewable energy standards and carbon reduction goals. Ten West Link 
will also bring significant economic reliability and public policy 
benefits to the electric power grid serving the Desert Southwest--one 
of America's fastest growing regions.
    The Final Environmental Impact Statement report was issued by BLM 
on September 13, 2019,\1\ and a groundbreaking was held in January 
2023.\2\ The BLM Preferred Alternative for the Ten West Link spans 125 
miles. The project utilizes the Department of Energy's energy and BLM-
designated utility corridors and avoids the Kofa National Wildlife 
Refuge and all major population centers. The Project became operational 
in June 2024.
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    Project milestones are as follows:

     AUGUST 4, 2020--DCR Transmission, L.L.C. received the 
            Right-of-Way for the Ten West Link transmission line 
            project and the associated facilities over federal land 
            through a grant from the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. 
            Securing the Right-of-Way, which consists of 81.2 miles 
            (65% of the Project length), marked a major milestone in 
            the development phase of Ten West Link.

     APRIL 23, 2020--Environmental groups support Ten West 
            Link. The Natural Resources Defense Council and National 
            Audubon Society issued an endorsement letter, which has 
            been attached to this testimony.

     MARCH 24, 2020--The Arizona Corporation Commission 
            unanimously approved the Certificate of Occupancy.

     OCTOBER 1, 2021--The California Public Utilities 
            Commission issued its Notice of Proposed Decision to grant 
            a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for the 
            Ten West Link and indicated this decision could be approved 
            as early as November 4, 2021.

     JANUARY 19, 2023--Ten West Link Groundbreaking Ceremony 
            was attended by Vice President Kamala Harris, U.S. 
            Department of Interior Deb Haaland, U.S. Energy Secretary 
            Jennifer Granholm, Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs, and 
            Himanshu Saxena, CEO of Lotus Infrastructure (owners of Ten 
            West Link).

     JUNE 12, 2024--Ten West Link turned over to the California 
            Independent System Operator (CALISO) for operations.

    Another critical infrastructure element is the Cielo Azul 
Switchyard, which is located on La Paz County property. This 500kV 
facility will provide the interconnection point for multiple solar 
projects in the vicinity to connect to the Ten West Link transmission 
line. Construction of the Cielo Azul Switchyard began on July 10, 2023, 
with an estimated in-service date in January 2025.
    If enacted, H.R. 8517 will provide La Paz County with the tools to 
accomplish what our region has envisioned for solar development. More 
so, the proximity of the La Paz Atlas Solar Projects to the Ten West 
Link transmission line and the Cielo Azul Switchyard demonstrates the 
capability not only to build, but also to deliver, crucial renewable 
energy resources for our fast-growing region.
Solar Development on Adjacent BLM and Arizona State School Trust Lands
    Copia Power is developing the Centennial Flats Solar Project 
immediately east of the La Paz Atlas Solar Project on approximately 
4,785+ acres of State School Trust Land. Construction has begun on this 
solar photovoltaic energy production facility and a 250 MW 
battery energy storage system. In addition, there are two additional 
projects seeking approvals on adjacent BLM and State Trust Lands 
totaling more than 10,000 acres for solar generation, battery storage, 
and hydrogen production.
    In 2020, La Paz County initiated and approved a Major Amendment to 
its Comprehensive Plan designating 52 square miles of BLM and State 
Trust lands as an ``Employment Zone.''
    This designation facilitates the permitting of solar projects, 
including the La Paz Atlas Solar Project (including the lands 
identified in H.R. 8517), the Centennial Flats Solar Project, and 
adjacent public lands suitable for solar development.
Conclusion

    La Paz County's future economic health is inextricably linked to 
the success of this renewable energy area in the County. H.R. 8517 will 
enhance our ability to be a part of a renewable energy economy while 
diversifying our local economy and providing sustainable and higher 
paying jobs for our community. On behalf of La Paz County, I would like 
to thank our Congressional delegation for their strong leadership on 
this issue. We remain grateful to Congressman Gosar for introducing 
H.R. 8517 and the House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Federal Lands 
for holding this hearing. We ask that Congress enact the La Paz Solar 
Energy and Job Creation Act as soon as possible.

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    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. I will now recognize 
Mr. Ryan Houston, Executive Director for the Oregon Natural 
Desert Association.
    Mr. Houston, you have 5 minutes.

       STATEMENT OF RYAN HOUSTON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,
      OREGON NATURAL DESERT ASSOCIATION, BEND, OREGON

    Mr. Houston. Chair Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and 
members of the Subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to 
testify today. My name is Ryan Houston, Executive Director of 
the Oregon Natural Desert Association. We are a community-based 
group representing more than 25,000 members and supporters who 
promote public lands conservation in Oregon's high desert.
    For the reasons described in my written testimony, my 
organization opposes H.R. 10082. And as you will see in the 
record, our opposition is echoed by dozens of organizations 
representing millions of members nationwide.
    Instead of moving this proposal, we encourage Congress to 
advance Senate Bill 1890, the version of the Owyhee Canyon 
Lands proposal developed by the local community with Senator 
Ron Wyden and co-sponsored by Senator Jeff Merkley. But before 
I offer my comments, let me first introduce you to Oregon's 
Owyhee Canyonlands.
    The Owyhee is nestled in the far southeastern corner of 
Oregon, and extends into portions of Idaho and Nevada. The 
watershed spans more than 11,000 square miles dominated by 
deep, rugged canyons, expansive sagebrush plains, and some of 
the most remote wildlands in the Lower 48.
    If you imagine for a moment climbing into a kayak high up 
in one of the tributary streams, you would be floating in a 
stream no wider than half the width of this table. You could 
float downstream for 2 weeks, flanked by 1,000-foot cliffs 
under the watchful gaze of bighorn and golden eagles, and past 
dozens of sacred sites reflecting the long history of the 
Northern Paiute, Shoshone, and Bannock peoples who have lived 
in this landscape since time immemorial. After 2 weeks of 
floating, as you approach the Owyhee Reservoir, you would be 
adrift on a river that has now grown to be twice the width of 
this room. And throughout this trip you would have pitched your 
tent below the blanket of the Milky Way, stretching from 
horizon to horizon across the darkest night skies in the 
country.
    A shared love of this landscape is what brought so many 
diverse stakeholders together in 2019, when Senator Wyden first 
convened a group of ranchers, tribes, hunters, conservation 
groups, and others to develop a proposal for the protection and 
management of the Owyhee Canyonlands. I first met one of the 
other witnesses today, Mr. Elias Eiguren, at that table in 
2019. I admire and respect Elias and other members of the 
Owyhee Basin Stewardship Coalition, as we have thoroughly 
debated tough issues but also enjoyed each other's company 
around the campfire on the banks of the Owyhee River. And I am 
proud that we have done this respectfully and with civility.
    Through these conversations, there were two key places 
where our overlapping interests helped create the foundation 
for Senator Wyden's proposal. My organization is seeking 
permanent protection of the Owyhee. The ranchers also want to 
keep it as it is, provided those protections do not undermine 
their livelihood. The ranchers seek more flexibility in grazing 
to improve management. My organization also wants to improve 
management, provided it doesn't undermine existing law. And 
when Senator Wyden merged these elements with the interests of 
all the other equally important stakeholders involved, he 
arrived at a proposal that lands in the sweet spot where dozens 
of shared interests overlap. This is not easy to do, and I 
think this achievement is reflected in the fact that this bill 
was voted out of Committee in the Senate with bipartisan 
support, and it continues to receive broad support from the 
many people and organizations who sat at the table for so many 
years.
    While H.R. 10082 does touch on some of the same topics as 
the Senate proposal, it misses that sweet spot in very 
significant ways, and consequently undermines the delicate 
balance negotiated in S. 1890. I believe this reflects the fact 
that H.R. 10082 was developed without the involvement of many 
key stakeholders.
    When compared to the Senate bill, H.R. 10082 discards the 
ecological health framework; reduces science and 
accountability; replaces the stakeholder committee with a 
smaller, industry-dominated group; overrides a broadly-
supported management plan for the Owyhee; establishes roads and 
promotes motor vehicle use in wilderness, resulting in the 
designation of something other than actual wilderness; and it 
burdens the Burns Paiute Tribe with unfair obligations and 
constraints.
    I will conclude by again encouraging Congress to focus on 
Senate Bill 1890, and by sharing a quote from one of the 
ranchers' representatives, Mark Dunn. He was speaking for the 
ranchers, but he could have been speaking for many of us when 
he said in 2023, ``We are still hopeful that Congress can pass 
the compromise that Wyden and Merkley have achieved.''
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today and I, 
of course, would be pleased to answer any questions you may 
have. Thank you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Houston follows:]
    
Prepared Statement of Ryan Houston, Executive Director, Oregon Natural 
                           Desert Association
                           
                             on H.R. 10082

    My name is Ryan Houston, Executive Director of the Oregon Natural 
Desert Association (ONDA). We are a community-based organization 
representing more than 25,000 members and supporters who promote 
conservation of public lands, waters and wildlife on more than 12 
million acres of high desert in central and eastern Oregon. We have 
been working to protect Oregon's Owyhee Canyonlands for decades and I 
appreciate the opportunity to testify today in support of permanently 
protecting, enhancing, and improving management in the Owyhee and 
surrounding areas.
    ONDA opposes H.R. 10082 and instead encourages Congress to advance 
S. 1890, the Malheur Community Empowerment for the Owyhee Act, 
developed by Senator Ron Wyden and co-sponsored by Senator Jeff 
Merkley. To explain why we oppose H.R. 10082 but support S. 1890, the 
bill upon which H.R. 10082 is based, I will first describe how 
Oregonians have been working together over the past 5 years to develop 
a proposal that would improve protection and management of the Owyhee 
Canyonlands.
    In sharing this story, I will describe the core principles that 
guided those conversations and how S. 1890 does--and H.R. 10082 does 
not--align with what was supported by the diverse array of stakeholders 
who invested thousands of hours over many years to develop S. 1890.
    Although discussions about protecting the Owyhee Canyonlands began 
decades ago, the proposal encapsulated in S. 1890 began to take shape 
in 2019 when Senator Wyden convened a diversity of stakeholders in 
Ontario, Oregon, to explore the potential for a community-supported 
plan for the long-term protection and management of Oregon's Owyhee 
Canyonlands. Senator Wyden convened these stakeholders at the request 
of local ranchers who asked him to help bring resolution to the many 
years of disagreement and conflict surrounding public land protection 
and management.
    The stakeholders included an array of ranchers, businesses, 
conservation organizations, Tribes, hunters, anglers, academics, 
recreational users, and others. In spite of their diverse and sometimes 
conflicting views, the group found common ground in a commitment to 
sustaining the ``long-term ecological health'' of the 4.5 million acres 
of public lands in Malheur County. This commitment became our guiding 
principle as we discussed and debated various approaches to protecting, 
managing, and sustaining multiple uses in the Owyhee Canyonlands.
    Of critical importance, Senator Wyden also established some key 
sideboards for these conversations and made several important 
commitments of his own, including respecting Tribal rights and 
sovereignty, relying on science to govern public land management, and 
ensuring that any new legislation would not undermine existing bedrock 
laws governing public lands management and conservation, such as the 
Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA), National Environmental 
Policy Act (NEPA), the Wilderness Act, Taylor Grazing Act, and others.

    Following years of work, including dozens of meetings, hundreds of 
edits and thousands of hours of collective effort, S. 1890 achieved a 
significant milestone when it was voted out of the Senate Committee on 
Energy and Natural Resources with bipartisan support in December 2023. 
S. 1890 proposes:

     Designation of 1.1 million acres of wilderness in the 
            Owyhee Canyonlands and surrounding areas, connecting to 
            adjacent wilderness areas designated in Idaho's Owyhee 
            Canyonlands in 2009;

     Transfer of 30,000 acres of land into trust for the Burns 
            Paiute Tribe and promotion of Tribal co-stewardship on 
            adjacent federal lands;

     Establishment of a flexible, science-based grazing 
            management and monitoring program designed to improve the 
            ecological health of 4.5 million acres of public lands in 
            Malheur County; and

     Creation of a consensus-based, multi-stakeholder 
            organization--the ``Malheur CEO Group''--to develop, 
            propose and fund restoration and management projects 
            throughout the region.

    H.R. 10082 includes some of these provisions and ONDA commends 
Representative Cliff Bentz for adopting these components. H.R. 10082 
would designate more than 926,000 acres of wilderness, promote certain 
elements of the adaptive grazing management program, and convey 
approximately 30,000 acres of lands into trust for the Burns Paiute 
Tribe.

    In spite of these similarities between H.R. 10082 and S. 1890, 
their specific approaches to public lands conservation, management, 
community involvement, Tribal rights, and respect for existing federal 
laws could not be more different. The two proposals diverge in very 
significant and problematic ways. Notably, H.R. 10082:

     Discards long-term ecological health as the core principle 
            that held stakeholders together and became the driving 
            principle for managing the Owyhee Canyonlands in the 
            future.

     Eliminates the requirements for data collection, 
            monitoring and adaptive management for livestock grazing, 
            undermining the ability of ranchers, the Bureau of Land 
            Management and the public to assess and manage the impacts, 
            positive or negative, of adjustments to permitted livestock 
            use. H.R. 10082 would also remove the requirement for 
            Secretarial review, evaluation and, if necessary, 
            adjustment of the grazing management program after 10 
            years, essentially making the program permanent before 
            assessing and understanding its real world results.

     Modifies the consensus-based community group, morphing it 
            into a much smaller, exclusive committee weighted in favor 
            of industry and excluding other key constituencies.

     Undermines the recommendations of the Southeast Oregon 
            Resource Advisory Council, the Bureau of Land Management, 
            public process and federal law and policy by overriding the 
            recently-adopted Southeastern Oregon Resource Management 
            Plan Amendment, eliminating current and future conservation 
            management on more than 3.5 million acres of public lands 
            not designated as wilderness. This would include the 
            release of nearly 375,000 acres of existing Wilderness 
            Study Areas, a requirement that none of the 1.2 million 
            acres of existing Lands with Wilderness Characteristics be 
            managed to protect their wilderness values, and restrict 
            potential future conservation of nearly 2 million 
            additional acres of public lands in Malheur County.

     Undermines wilderness and the Wilderness Act by promoting 
            motor vehicle access and roads into designated areas, 
            resulting in the designation of something other than actual 
            wilderness.

     Burdens the Burns Paiute Tribe with unjust financial 
            obligations, requiring the Tribe to pay grazing permittees 
            for adjusting grazing use to conserve sacred lands, 
            including paying for fencing to protect sacred lands from 
            livestock. It further requires Tribal management to 
            ``protect the interests of those who hold livestock grazing 
            permits,'' thus tying the Tribe's hands in how they manage 
            their sacred lands.

    In conclusion, ONDA supports legislation that honors the work of 
the local community by improving management and conservation of public 
lands, waters and wildlife, promoting stakeholder engagement, 
supporting local communities and economies, and elevating Tribal 
priorities in Oregon's Owyhee Canyonlands. H.R. 10082 would not 
accomplish these goals but, instead undermine decades of federal law 
and policy governing public lands management; usurp the authority of 
the Bureau of Land Management; reduce the role of science, 
accountability and transparency in management; limit public 
participation; and burden the Burns Paiute Tribe with unnecessary 
constraints and requirements.
    I close by again urging Congress to focus on advancing S. 1890, the 
Senate version of the Owyhee Canyonlands proposal developed by Senator 
Ron Wyden and co-sponsored by Senator Jeff Merkley.

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Mr. Houston. I now recognize Dr. 
Bobby Donaldson, the Executive Director of the Center for Civil 
Rights History and Research at the University of South 
Carolina.
    Dr. Donaldson, you have 5 minutes.

      STATEMENT OF BOBBY DONALDSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,
       CENTER FOR  CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY  AND  RESEARCH,
       COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA

    Dr. Donaldson. Good afternoon. Thank you, Chairman Tiffany 
and members of the Subcommittee. I am Dr. Bobby Donaldson, 
Professor of History and Executive Director of the Center for 
Civil Rights History and Research at the University of South 
Carolina, Columbia campus. I am honored to testify today in 
support of H.R. 10084, which extends the authorization of the 
National Park Service's African American Civil Rights Network 
for the next decade.
    I want to thank Congressman James Clyburn for his 
unwavering commitment to preserving our nation's history and 
for his advocacy of the network and of our center, which was 
founded in 2015.
    Through a series of cooperative agreements with the network 
initiated in 2022, the Center for Civil Rights History and 
Research at the University of South Carolina has expanded its 
capacity to advance scholarly research, preservation projects, 
heritage tourism, walking tours, museum exhibits, academic 
initiatives, and community programing.
    Programing like our ``Where Do We Go From Here'' biennial 
conference, done in partnership with the network, enabled us to 
connect civil rights veterans with educators, museum leaders, 
heritage tourism professionals, preservationists, academic 
scholars, and students from around the country.
    As part of the center's research and community engagement 
efforts, we are particularly proud of our partnership with the 
National Park Service and the network and local communities 
like Summerton, South Carolina, where we have worked to 
document and preserve stories and properties of national 
significance.
    In September 2022, our center joined Congressman Clyburn 
and the National Park Service on the grounds of Scott's Branch 
High School in Summerton. This site, now on the National 
Register of Historic Places, commemorates the courageous fight 
for equal education that led to the Briggs v. Elliott lawsuit, 
one of the five cases consolidated into the 1954 Brown v. Board 
of Education decision.
    This year, during a program marking the 70th anniversary of 
the Brown and Briggs ruling, we welcome Ms. Celestine Parson 
Lloyd, a Summerton native and a Scott's Branch graduate. As she 
remembered her family's sacrifices and the struggles of her 
community during and after the legal campaign, Ms. Lloyd called 
for a public recognition for the people of Summerton who helped 
secure this landmark Supreme Court victory.
    As we consider Ms. Lloyd's request, and as we reflect upon 
the network's impact, I am reminded of Dr. Martin Luther King 
Jr.'s Nobel Peace Prize address delivered 60 years ago. In this 
message, Dr. King honored what he called the ground crew of the 
Civil Rights movement, individuals like Ms. Lloyd, individuals 
like Sarah Mae Flemming, individuals like Sergeant Isaac 
Woodard, whose sacrifices moved this country forward but often 
went unrecognized. Sixty years ago, Dr. King said this: ``Most 
of these people will never make the headlines, and their names 
will not appear in Who's Who. Yet, when years have passed and 
the blazing truth is focused on this marvelous age in which we 
live, men and women will know and children will be taught that 
we have a finer land, a better people, a more noble 
civilization because these humble children of God were willing 
to suffer for righteousness' sake.''
    By renewing the African American Civil Rights Network 
through H.R. 10084, we all can fulfill Dr. King's vision and 
ensure that this marvelous age of the Civil Rights Movement is 
fully documented, preserved, and shared now and for generations 
to come.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee, for 
your time today.

    [The prepared statement of Dr. Donaldson follows:]
    
   Prepared Statement of Dr. Bobby J. Donaldson, Executive Director, 
   Center for Civil Rights History and Research, University of South 
                                Carolina
                                
                             on H.R. 10084

    Good afternoon, Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and 
Members of this Subcommittee.

    I am Dr. Bobby Donaldson, Professor of History and Founding 
Executive Director of the Center for Civil Rights History and Research 
at the University of South Carolina, Columbia campus. I also serve as 
Principal Historian for Columbia SC 63: Our Story Matters, a heritage 
tourism initiative that highlights our city's pivotal role in the Civil 
Rights Movement.
    It is an honor to testify today in support of H.R. 10084, which 
extends the authorization of the National Park Service's African 
American Civil Rights Network (known as AACRN) for the next decade.
    I want to express my appreciation to Congressman James E. Clyburn 
for his unwavering commitment to preserving our nation's history and 
for his advocacy of the African American Civil Rights Network.
    The Network, established by Congress in 2017, brings together 
historic sites, museums, research centers, archival collections, and 
professional organizations, providing resources and support to 
preserve, document, and share the history of the Civil Rights Movement.
    The Center for Civil Rights History and Research at the University 
of South Carolina was established in 2015 to investigate and promote 
our state's pivotal (and often overlooked) contributions to the 
struggle for civil and human rights in our nation.
    Our Center and the University of South Carolina joined the Network 
in 2022. Through a series of cooperative agreements with the Network, 
our Center has expanded its capacity to advance scholarly research, 
educational training, preservation projects, and public engagement 
through exhibitions, workshops, conferences, lectures, documentary 
films, and guided tours.
    In addition to partnerships and programs, the cooperative 
agreements with the Network facilitate our ability to train a new 
generation of public historians who will continue this important work. 
We actively support and organize civil rights tours for undergraduate 
students, providing immersive, on-site experiences that connect them 
directly to the history and legacy of the Civil Rights Movement.
    Through these tours, internships, post-doctoral fellowships, 
research grants, and collaborative projects with Historically Black 
Colleges and Universities, we are equipping students, emerging 
scholars, and educators with the tools to preserve, interpret, and 
disseminate the Movement's history.
    Network-funded programs like our Eyewitnesses to the Movement 
series, Women in the Movement initiative, Justice for All exhibit, and 
our recent Where Do We Go From Here? conference, enable us to connect 
civil rights veterans, such as Minnijean Brown-Trickey of the Little 
Rock Nine and Dorris D. Wright of the Greenville Eight, with other 
activists, educators, museum leaders, heritage tourism professionals, 
preservationists, and historians from across the country, ensuring that 
our collective efforts will keep this history alive.
    In September 2022, I had the privilege of standing with Congressman 
Clyburn, National Park Service Director Charles Sams, and Secretary of 
the Interior Deb Haaland on the campus of the Scott's Branch High 
School in Summerton, South Carolina. This site, now on the National 
Register of Historic Places, commemorates the extraordinary courage of 
ordinary citizens--farmers, maids, mechanics, returning World War II 
veterans, teachers, and preachers--whose determined fight for equal 
education led to the Briggs v. Elliott lawsuit. That case, one of five 
consolidated into the Brown v. Board of Education United States Supreme 
Court ruling in 1954, helped dismantle legal segregation in America's 
public schools. Sites in Summerton are now becoming a part of the 
Network and the Brown v. Board of Education National Historical Park.
    This year, during the 70th-anniversary commemoration of Brown v. 
Board and Briggs v. Elliott in Columbia, the Center and the South 
Carolina Civil Rights Museum invited Mrs. Celestine Parson Lloyd, a 
student at Scott's Branch High School in the early 1950s. She returned 
to South Carolina from her current home in New York City and shared her 
family's painful sacrifices and struggles during and after the legal 
campaign. Her riveting oral history, now housed in our archives, 
underscores the Network's primary mission: identifying, preserving, 
amplifying, and connecting largely unknown or overlooked stories and 
experiences across our nation.
    At a recent program organized by our Center, Dr. Cleveland Sellers, 
Jr., a South Carolina native and a member of the SNCC (Student 
Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) Legacy Project told an audience, 
``Please don't let our stories die with us.'' His statement reminds us 
that the youngest members of the Movement are in their twilight years 
and underscores the urgent need to preserve this vital history.
    As we reflect on the impact of the Network and its enormous 
potential in the future, I am reminded of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s 
Nobel Peace Prize address, delivered 60 years ago, on December 10, 
1964, in Oslo.
    Dr. King paid tribute to the ``known pilots'' and the ``unknown 
ground crew,'' the individuals whose behind-the-scenes work propelled 
the Movement forward. He envisioned a future where their sacrifices 
would be properly recognized, documented, and publicized.

    Dr. King concluded his remarks by stating:

        Most of these people will never make the headlines, and their 
        names will not appear in Who's Who. Yet when years have rolled 
        past and when the blazing light of truth is focused on this 
        marvelous age in which we live, men and women will know and 
        children will be taught that we have a finer land, a better 
        people, a more noble civilization because these humble children 
        of God were willing to suffer for righteousness' sake.

    Fortunately, through H.R. 10084 and the renewal of the African 
American Civil Rights Network Act, we have an opportunity to make Dr. 
King's vision of a fuller and more comprehensive history a reality.
    By empowering communities to uncover and share their stories, 
safeguarding historic properties, and fostering programmatic 
partnerships, the African American Civil Rights Network ensures that 
the history of this ``marvelous age'' not only remains accessible but 
continues to inform and inspire future generations in the pursuit of 
``liberty and justice for all.''
    Again, I extend my tremendous gratitude to Congressman Clyburn for 
his leadership on this legislation. Mr. Chairman, I thank you and the 
committee for the opportunity to share my thoughts this afternoon.
    I welcome any questions you may have.

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you, Dr. Donaldson. And finally, I would 
like to recognize Mr. Seth Clark, Executive Director for the 
Ocmulgee National Park and Preserve Initiative.
    Mr. Clark, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

       STATEMENT OF SETH C. CLARK,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,
        OCMULGEE NATIONAL PARK AND PRESERVE INITIATIVE,
        MACON, GEORGIA

    Mr. Clark. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
Committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today in 
support of H.R. 8182. My name is Seth Clark, and it is the 
honor of my life to have been elected mayor pro tempore of 
Macon, Georgia, and to serve as the Executive Director of the 
Ocmulgee National Park and Preserve Initiative, the non-tribal-
tribal partnership working on conservation-based economic 
development in Middle Georgia.
    Today's hearing is the culmination of almost a century of 
civic efforts to designate the first and only national park and 
preserve in Georgia. These efforts began in 1934, when similar 
legislation to that which is before you today was proposed. 
After a century of successful public and private conservation 
and the leveraging of tens of millions of private and 
philanthropic dollars, it is our contention that we have met 
and exceeded congressional and departmental expectations in 
laying a foundation worthy of the designation we have sought 
for 90 years.
    In short, we have done our part, invested our private 
resources, and are prepared to continue to do so. We are ready.
    Over the course of the 20th century, Middle Georgians have 
argued the unique ecological and cultural assets of the region 
are invaluable to our identity, the identity of the state of 
Georgia, and that of the United States of America. We have 
leveraged these assets as means of responsible economic 
development through private and public conservation, resulting 
in increased access to and the protection of irreplaceable 
cultural assets, pristinely managed hunting and fishing land 
and wildlife habitat, and a burgeoning cultural and outdoor 
recreation-based economy.
    The coalition of advocates who support this legislation is 
much broader than the traditional environmental-based groups I 
imagine this Committee has become accustomed to hearing. Our 
partners include an overwhelmingly bipartisan and bicameral 
contingent of legislative authors; the Macon and Georgia 
Chambers of Commerce; the sovereign nations that constitute the 
Intertribal Council of Removed Southeastern Tribes; the 
Muscogee Creek, Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Seminole 
Nation of Oklahoma; active and civilian leadership of Robins 
Air Force Base; all 20 municipalities that make up the Middle 
Georgia Regional Commission; the State Department of Natural 
Resources; national and local conservation organizations; and 
the Georgia Mining Association.
    A recent economic study concluded that congressional re-
designation could eventually result in an additional 1.3 
million visitors to Middle Georgia annually. This could result 
in roughly $233 million in additional annual private sector 
economic activity, spurring roughly $34 million in additional 
tax revenue and the creation of as many as 3,100 new private 
sector jobs.
    And due to the generosity of the John S. and James L. 
Knight Foundation, we are currently conducting a regional 
strategic plan to ensure the realization of those projections.
    We are already seeing the effects of our efforts. Recent 
visitation increases have played a vital role in rolling back 
property taxes by 50 percent. You see, our tax portfolio is 
designed to require a rollback of our residents' property taxes 
on pace with increased revenue from visitation. This 
congressional redesignation will continue to result in the 
ongoing largest property tax cut in Middle Georgia history.
    It would also bolster our region's toughest economic engine 
in one of our nation's most vital installations in the pursuit 
of our national security: Robins Air Force Base. Their recent 
sustainability plan, conducted by the Department of Defense, 
recommended the passage of this legislation, stating, ``The 
creation of a new national park and preserve adjacent to or 
near the installation could protect lands neighboring the 
installation, prevent encroachment, and preserve installation 
operational areas and neighboring land use compatibility.''
    Further, in the pursuit of responsible wildlife habitat and 
species management, this legislation constitutes one of the 
largest expansions of hunting and fishing access in Middle 
Georgia in my lifetime, while reasonably and effectively 
protecting the private property rights of Middle Georgians.
    Lastly, and most importantly, I would like to express my 
gratitude to the Muscogee Creek Nation for their partnership in 
this effort. Ocmulgee is a mother ground of their ancestral 
homelands of which they were forcibly dispossessed. The 
Ocmulgee Corridor shows evidence of roughly 17,000 years of 
continuous human habitation, some of the longest in the 
continental United States of America. This partnership Middle 
Georgia enjoys with the Muskogee Creek Nation has given our 
region a path towards reconciliation, and the opportunity of 
shared stewardship is one fully supported by our community and 
deeply important to our region's identity.
    As we have for generations, we stand fully prepared to 
further marshal private philanthropic resources to support the 
National Park Service and the stewardship of what the 
Department of the Interior has deemed some of the most 
nationally significant land in the United States of America. We 
just need your permission to do so, and it is for that we 
humbly ask.
    Thank you, and I am happy to answer any questions.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Clark follows:]
    
   Prepared Statement of Mayor Pro Tempore Seth C. Clark, Executive 
        Director, Ocmulgee National Park and Preserve Initiative
        
                              on H.R. 8182

    Good afternoon Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee.

    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I'm Seth Clark, and 
it is the honor of my life to have been elected Mayor Pro Tempore of 
Macon, Georgia and to serve as the Executive Director of the Ocmulgee 
National Park and Preserve Initiative, the non-tribal + tribal 
partnership working on conservation-based economic development in 
middle Georgia.
    Today's hearing is the culmination of almost a century of civic 
efforts to designate the first and only National Park and Preserve in 
Georgia. The efforts began in 1934, when similar legislation that is 
before you today was proposed. After a century of successful public and 
private conservation and the leveraging of tens of millions of private 
and philanthropic dollars, it is our contention that we have met and 
exceeded Congressional and Departmental expectations in laying a 
foundation worthy of the designation we have sought for 90 years. In 
short, we have done our part, invested our private resources and are 
prepared to continue to do so. We are ready.
    Over the course of the 20th Century Middle Georgians' have argued 
the unique ecological and cultural assets of the region are invaluable 
to our identity, the identity of our state, and that of the United 
States. We've leveraged these assets as means of responsible economic 
development through private and public conservation, resulting in 
increased access to, and the protection of irreplaceable cultural 
assets, pristinely managed hunting and fishing land and wildlife 
habitat, and a burgeoning cultural and outdoor-recreation based 
economy.
    The coalition of advocates who support this legislation is much 
broader than the traditional environmental based groups I imagine this 
committee has become accustomed to hearing. Our partners include an 
overwhelmingly bipartisan and bicameral contingent of legislative 
authors, the Macon and Georgia Chambers of Commerce, the sovereign 
nations that constitute the InterTribal Council of removed, 
southeastern Tribes: the Muscogee (Creek), Cherokee, Choctaw, 
Chickasaw, and Seminole Nations of Oklahoma, Active and Civilian 
leadership of Robins Air Force Base, all 20 municipalities that make up 
the Middle Georgia Regional Commission, the state Department of Natural 
Resources, national and local conservation organizations and the 
Georgia Mining Association.
    A recent economic study concluded that Congressional redesignation 
could eventually result in an additional 1.3 million visitors to middle 
Georgia annually. This could result in roughly 233 million dollars in 
additional annual private sector economic activity, spurring roughly 34 
million dollars in additional annual tax revenue, and the creation of 
as many as 3,100 new private sector jobs.
    And due to the generosity of John S. and James L. Knight 
foundation, we are currently conducting a regional strategic plan to 
ensure the realization of those projections. We are already seeing 
effects from our efforts. Recent visitation increases have played a 
vital role in Macon rolling back property taxes by 50%. You see, our 
tax portfolio is designed to require a roll back of our residents' 
property taxes on pace with increased revenue from visitation. This 
congressional re-designation will continue to result in the ongoing 
largest property tax cut in middle Georgia history.
    It would also bolster our region's toughest economic engine and one 
of our country's most vital installations in the pursuit of our 
National Security, Robins Air Force Base. Their recent sustainability 
plan conducted by the Department of Defense recommended the passage of 
this legislation stating, ``the creation of a new national park and 
preserve adjacent to or near the Installation could protect lands 
neighboring the Installation, prevent encroachment, and preserve 
Installation operational areas and neighboring land use 
compatibility.''
    Further, in the pursuit of responsible wildlife habitat and species 
management, this legislation constitutes one of the largest expansions 
of hunting and fishing access in middle Georgia in my lifetime, while 
reasonably and effectively protecting the private property rights of 
middle Georgians.
    Lastly, and most importantly, I'd like to express gratitude to the 
Muscogee (Creek) Nation for their partnership in this effort. Ocmulgee 
is a mother ground of their ancestral homelands, of which they were 
forcibly dispossessed. The Ocmulgee corridor shows evidence of roughly 
17,000 years of continuous human habitation--some of the longest in the 
continental United States. This partnership middle Georgia enjoys with 
the Muscogee (Creek) Nation has given our region a path toward 
reconciliation. And the opportunity of shared stewardship is one fully 
supported by our community and deeply important to our region's 
identity.
    As we have for generations, we stand fully prepared to further 
marshal private philanthropic resources to support the National Park 
Service in the stewardship of what the Department of Interior has 
deemed some of the most nationally significant land in the United 
States. We just need your permission to do so. And it is for that, we 
humbly ask.
    Thank you. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

                                 *****

Letters of support for H.R. 8182 from the following organizations were 
submitted by Mr. Clark for the record.

        Georgia Wildlife Federation   Georgia Conservancy

        Southeast Tourism Society     Georgia Mining Association

        Muscogee (Creek) Nation       Mayor Pro Tem Seth Clark

        Grow Twiggs County            Inter-Tribal Council of the Five 
                                        Civilized Tribes

        Visit Macon                   Greater Macon Chamber of Commerce

        21st Century Partnership      MBCIA

        Altamaha Riverkeeper          Middle Georgia Regional 
                                        Commission

        Georgia Department of 
          Natural Resources           Newtown Macon

        Houston County Board of 
          Directors                   The Nature Conservancy

        Georgia Chamber of Commerce   Trust for Public Land

                                 *****

All of the letters are available for viewing at:

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/II/II10/20241119/117718/HMTG-118-II10-
Wstate-ClarkS-20241119-SD001.pdf

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Tiffany. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. Clark. I am 
now going to recognize Members for up to 5 minutes for their 
questioning.
    Mr. Fulcher from Idaho, you may start.
    Mr. Fulcher. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your leadership 
in having these hearings today. I find them very informative 
and helpful. I have a question for Mr. Eiguren.
    I have some friends with Basque heritage in the Boise area, 
and my guess is that there might be a relationship somewhere, 
but that is a conversation for another day.
    In Idaho, over 60 percent of our land mass is federally 
managed. So, ranching and grazing are not just essential for 
our way of life, but it is also critical to our state's 
economy, just due to the sheer critical mass. Grazing on 
Federal lands is a vital component of Idaho's natural resource 
management, helping to support rural economies and reduce 
wildfire risks. I am a huge supporter of local stakeholder 
input in the management of those resources, and your testimony 
struck a couple of chords with me that I would like to explore 
a little bit further.
    First of all, how does your organization, the Owyhee Basin 
Stewardship Coalition, support ranchers and landowners in the 
region, particularly regarding local input with land management 
decisions?
    Mr. Eiguren. We have been the main voice, the grassroots 
effort, in attempting to stave off a monument during the Obama 
administration. That is where we began. From there, our 
interest has been finding final resolution.
    So, after those final days of the Obama administration and 
our campaign of No Monument Without a Vote of Congress went 
away, we had town hall meetings throughout the county asking 
our membership and others involved in the conversation, 
including the irrigation districts, the farmers who rely on the 
Owyhee watershed for their livelihoods, and a multitude of 
folks, ``What do you want to see resolved out here?''
    WSAs were at the top of the list. Get rid of the monument 
is the next one, and try to get some flexibility within the BLM 
office to be able to do what we can in order to stave off 
wildfire.
    Mr. Fulcher. Got it. Thank you for that. And you mentioned 
in your testimony, we were referring to H.R. 10082, you 
mentioned, I think, as a work in progress, and I appreciate 
that. Do you have counsel, or do you have feedback on some 
input that could be an addition or an amendment or a change to 
it that might have some improvements?
    Mr. Eiguren. Not at this time, sir. I am interested to see 
where this goes in the direction of the Committee with 
Congressman Bentz at the wheel, and see where we go from there. 
But thank you.
    Mr. Fulcher. OK, thank you. One concern with the land 
designations like wilderness areas is their potential impact on 
grazing rights and ranching communities. How do you see this 
bill and this language in this bill ensuring ranchers and 
farmers in the Owyhee region of Oregon, Nevada, and Idaho can 
continue their operations without undue restrictions while 
still achieving conservation goals?
    Mr. Eiguren. That certainly is a consideration. Part of our 
thought has been we really don't know, under a national 
monument, whether we are going to be able to continue to graze 
or not. We know that, under wilderness, grazing is always a 
possibility. The question is, what do we have to do in order to 
continue to graze in terms of access, permit renewal, these 
types of things.
    So, in that vein, we have striven to make sure that access 
is provided for all of the needs of agriculture on these lands, 
and also we have developed a relationship with Mr. Houston and 
other organizations like his to back one another up in terms of 
the collaborative effort on the Senate bill side. And I would 
hope that that would extend through whatever legislative 
product comes through this process.
    Mr. Fulcher. Great. I would thank you for that. And I will 
just close with my own editorial comment.
    For those who oppose this, and this effort, and what you 
are trying to do, and what I believe this legislation is trying 
to do, take some time and get on an airplane and spend a little 
bit of time in the open Federal lands in Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, 
and get a feeling for what life in, and Utah, thank you, and 
Utah, absolutely, and get some understanding, and Arizona. OK, 
we are going to go down the list here. Not California, LaMalfa, 
I don't want to hear it.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Fulcher. Spend some time in Western Federal lands, and 
you will get an appreciation for what the people who live and 
work there and attempt to make a living there have to deal with 
on a regular basis.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you, I yield back.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields. I now recognize the 
gentleman from Utah, Mr. Curtis.
    Mr. Curtis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I will just add my 
voice to my colleague from Idaho. I think it is very difficult 
to understand what this is like unless you are actually from 
one of these states.
    I have counties that are upwards of 90 percent, 92 percent 
federally owned, and this is a big deal. So, thank you for 
making that point, and I share that with you.
    Mr. Young, thank you for coming and representing the great 
state of Utah. Thank you for the work that you do on behalf of 
ranchers and farmers in the state of Utah. Today, you 
symbolically represent thousands and thousands of people from 
our state who deal with these issues, and I appreciate you 
being here. I would like to discuss two bills.
    The Ranching Without Red Tape Act is designed to reduce 
regulatory burdens on ranchers and farmers by streamlining 
Federal management processes, making it easier for them to 
lease, graze, and manage on these public lands. I believe, and 
I think those who have this in their states would agree with 
me, that our ranchers are our best stewards of these lands. You 
have lived with these lands for generations. The productivity 
of these lands depends on your management, and I know that you 
are all highly motivated to take care of these lands and make 
sure they are there for generations, and you often know much 
better than we do here in Washington how to manage those. And 
when you need to make range improvements or repairs and 
bureaucracy gets in the way, that is a problem, and that is 
what this bill is about.
    I want to thank my colleague, Representative Vasquez, for 
partnering with me on this important effort. This legislation 
will provide ranchers greater predictability and flexibility, 
and that is important.
    I would also like to discuss the Operational Flexibility 
Grazing Management Program Act. It aims to enhance the 
efficiency and sustainability of grazing on public lands by 
improving the management of grazing permits, ensuring ranchers 
have more predictability, that would be nice in your life, I 
suspect, and longer-term access to these Federal lands. This 
bill streamlines the application and renewal process for 
granting permits, reduces administrative delays, and fosters 
better communication between ranchers and Federal agencies, all 
the while promoting more effective land stewardship.
    Mr. Young, in just the couple of minutes that we have left, 
I am wondering if you could maybe share with this group some 
examples of the delays you have experienced when you are trying 
to do range improvements and can't get the permits needed to do 
that.
    Mr. Young. First of all, I want to say that, for the most 
part, our local partners in the agencies, whether they are with 
the U.S. Forest Service or the BLM, they are great to work 
with. We have very few problems on the ground with those local 
folks. But we all understand what the rules are.
    And we have a current situation in Box Elder County, Utah. 
We have wanted to extend some fences, mostly checkerboard 
ground. We have the fences on our private land, and a short 
little piece that would just connect it and control the 
grazing. We are talking about, we have built maybe 10 miles of 
fence and we need another half a mile, and then it would be 
connected. Several of these on one allotment, not just one 
little quarter mile, but maybe several. And we have paid for 
the cultural resources to be done, asked to see what would need 
to be done at the BLM, on their side, if there needs to be any 
NEPA work done, or an EIS, or anything like that.
    And we just got word this week that we are clear to go. But 
it has been multiple years. It has not been months, it has been 
multiple years. And what we are asking to do is relatively 
small. And there is fencing all over the landscape. It is not 
like it is a new, new thing we are trying to create. And it 
just takes a very long time to do it.
    Real quick, another situation. You have a pipeline that has 
been in for a long time, needs some work on it. This happened 
to be on Forest Service land, and it is a significant project 
to go and repair it, and it actually needed to be replaced, and 
eventually we got it done. But it shouldn't be as difficult as 
it is to fix something that is already there.
    Mr. Curtis. Yes.
    Mr. Young. And it too is multiple years. It is not a quick 
answer.
    Mr. Curtis. Yes. Your life is complicated enough, right? 
You shouldn't have to deal with that.
    And I would also double down on your comments about our 
local people with the BLM and these other agencies, and it 
points out how important it is for these people to live in the 
community because they understand some of the things you have 
just described, where somebody 2,000 miles away has a hard time 
getting a grasp on that.
    Once again, thanks for what you do, and for being here 
today.
    I yield my time.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields. Thank you for your 
contributions to the Subcommittee, Mr. Curtis, we greatly 
appreciate it. And we know one thing in the U.S. Senate. Their 
sock selection is going to get much better.
    Mr. Curtis. It is terrible. We are going to work on that. 
We are going to stamp out boring socks in the Senate.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Tiffany. I now recognize Mr. Bentz for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Eiguren, I want to thank you for all the work you have 
done personally. And then, of course, the members of the 
stewardship coalition that formed up after the huge community 
scare, if you will, when it appeared that 2.5 million acres of 
Malheur County were going to be suddenly designated as a 
monument with no concept whatsoever of what that would mean to 
the 200 permittees that run cattle out there. You avoided that, 
we avoided that. And thank you for the work you have done since 
to try to bring everybody together, and thank you for traveling 
all the way from Oregon out here this afternoon. We really, 
really appreciate it.
    You mentioned something about a final resolution. And I 
think part of the problem or challenge that we are all facing 
in that part of the world is this kind of a designation of the 
lands that you are dealing with every day. And this, of course, 
is the Record of Decision that was slapped down on top of you 
while you were trying to negotiate this arrangement. And that 
ROD created another about a million-and-a-half acres of 
restrictions on the land in Malheur County, in addition to the 
million acres that has been contemplated as perhaps a 
wilderness.
    So, your idea was let's have certainty so somehow we can 
plan ahead for the operations. You have been there for, what, 
150 years? And am I correct? Were you struggling to try to 
achieve some degree of finality when it comes to what you are 
doing on the land and in the space you have grown up?
    Mr. Eiguren. Certainly, Congressman, that was our initial 
intention. And then, yes, in the midst of our negotiations the 
ROD came out. That changed the designation on the landscape, 
and that has built further consideration into where we are with 
the bill that you have proposed.
    Mr. Bentz. Yes, and the Wyden bill did not address the ROD 
that came out. Actually, it was after the Wyden bill was voted 
on and moved out of the committee last December. The ROD wasn't 
final until March of this year. So, in all fairness to Senator 
Wyden, who has been working with you diligently, we can't 
really expect him to foresee what did happen. But now, in our 
bill, we are trying to address this and get to some sense of 
finality. I am going to leave it there because I have short 
time, and I am going to turn my attention to Mr. Houston.
    Mr. Houston, you say in the last part of your testimony, in 
conclusion, ONDA supports legislation that honors the work of 
local communities, and everybody getting together and singing 
Kumbaya, yet you don't support a ban on the monument, do you? 
You would not support us, including in our bill, a ban on an 
overlay of a monument. Or would you?
    Mr. Houston. Thank you, Congressman, I appreciate the 
question.
    When we sat down at the table, what we were----
    Mr. Bentz. I don't have an hour and a half. I have, like, 2 
minutes. A yes or a no will do, please.
    Mr. Houston. We haven't discussed a monument at the table 
as we have sat down together and talked about these issues----
    Mr. Bentz. OK, so you don't know. You might support a ban 
on a monument.
    Mr. Houston. My organization would not support a ban on----
    Mr. Bentz. OK, that is what I wanted to hear.
    [Slide.]
    Mr. Bentz. You also say on Page 3, and it is very irksome, 
you say on your fourth bullet point that my bill would 
eliminate current and future conservation management on more 
than 3.5 million acres of public lands not designated as 
wilderness, everything on this map up here that isn't salmon 
colored. That is not true, though, is it? That is not true at 
all. Why did you say it?
    Mr. Houston. Well, Congressman, what I understand is there 
are about 4.5 million acres of Federal public land in Malheur 
County. Your bill would designate approximately 926,000 acres 
of wilderness, and then ensure that the remaining portion of 
that, so roughly 3.5 million acres, 3.6 million acres----
    Mr. Bentz. Would be released to multiple use. So, you 
oppose multiple use, apparently. But releasing it to multiple 
use or redesignating it as such, that doesn't do away with all 
of those Federal laws I rattled off at the beginning of my 
testimony, does it?
    Are you saying that somehow my bill wipes them out, does 
away with the Endangered Species Act? Is that what you are 
saying? Because it doesn't. So, why did you say it in your 
testimony?
    Mr. Houston. Thank you, Congressman. What I expressed in my 
testimony is that by reversing the Resource Management Plan and 
overriding the decisions that the BLM made, in part with the 
local resource advisory committee, that----
    Mr. Bentz. Would it surprise you if I shared with you that 
it was the plan of the OBSC to redesignate all the land that 
was not wilderness back to multiple use? Because that was the 
deal. And I am going to ask Mr. Eiguren that question in about 
a second. So, think carefully about your answer. Would it 
surprise you?
    Mr. Houston. That would not surprise me. We have had those 
kinds of conversations. And that is a big part of what has been 
so enjoyable about sitting down together and talking about 
these issues.
    Mr. Bentz. Then why would you object to my bill, which does 
exactly that?
    Mr. Houston. Pardon me, sir. I didn't hear your question.
    Mr. Bentz. Why are you objecting to my bill, which returns 
those lands that are not suggested as wilderness to multiple 
use?
    Mr. Houston. Yes, thank you Congressman. Our objection is 
to over-riding FLPMA and over-riding the authorities of the 
Bureau of Land Management to make the decisions that they made 
through a 20-year planning process, supported by resource----
    Mr. Bentz. Even though you agree on where we are going, 
which is to get back to multiple use.
    I appreciate you being here, by the way.
    Mr. Houston. Sure, thank you.
    Mr. Bentz. And I appreciate your efforts even though I 
don't appreciate your testimony as written.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields, and the Subcommittee now 
stands in recess, subject to the call of the Chair.
    I think we will be back in about an hour. Yes, it will be 
about an hour. We will be back and we will have a few more 
questions for all of you if you can come back and join us. 
Unfortunately, we have to head for the Floor to vote. Thank 
you.
    [Recess.]
    Mr. Tiffany. The Committee will come to order.
    I now recognize the gentleman from Minnesota, Mr. Stauber, 
for 5 minutes of questioning. And thank you to our witnesses 
for bearing with us while we voted here. We know you made a 
long trip here, and we figured what is one more hour, right?
    Mr. Stauber.
    Mr. Stauber. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I want to 
begin by thanking my colleague from Utah, Representative Maloy, 
for introducing H.R. 9165, the Public Land Search and Rescue 
Act.
    Just like her home state of Utah, northern Minnesota is 
home to vast public lands, including the Superior National 
Forest, the Chippewa National Forest, and Voyageurs National 
Park. Northern Minnesota is home to vast public lands, 
including the forests that I just mentioned. Unfortunately, 
several times a year our local law enforcement units have to 
respond to search and rescue calls and other medical 
emergencies on these Federal lands, and our local residents and 
taxpayers cover the enormous cost.
    Every year, some of these searches involve the tragic loss 
of life, unfortunately. Just this past May, two Minnesotans 
tragically lost their lives while canoeing in the Boundary 
Waters within the Superior National Forest. The brave men and 
women of the St. Louis County Search and Rescue Squad and other 
volunteer fire services in the area spent weeks on the search 
and recovery for these individuals. Ultimately, the cost of 
this search and rescue mission totaled around $150,000.
    According to the St. Louis County Rescue Squad, it burned 
through a huge chunk of their annual budget, which is only 
$450,000 a year. That is $450,000 annually to cover all costs 
for all calls throughout the entire county, whether they be on 
Federal lands or not. The St. Louis County Rescue Squad 
exhausted one-third of their annual budget on one single call, 
and it is ultimately St. Louis County taxpayers that had to 
cover these costs, and local taxpayers when their volunteer 
ambulance service or rescue squad goes out, as well.
    Representative Maloy's legislation is an important step in 
ensuring communities like St. Louis County, which are 
ultimately responsible for search and rescue efforts on our 
Federal lands, are properly compensated and are insured that 
they will have the funds to continue their normal operations 
outside of these missions.
    Sheriff Glover, I first want to thank you for your service 
and the work you do to keep the people of Kane County safe and 
all those who travel to Kane County. I, along with you, have 
worn the uniform, one of just a few in Congress.
    Of the search and rescue missions your agency takes part in 
on Federal lands, what percentage of the incidents involved 
Kane County residents and taxpayers?
    Mr. Glover. We have done some research on this lately, and 
I would say I can estimate it at estimated less than 5 percent.
    Mr. Stauber. OK. Do many of these incidents involve Utah 
residents, or rather individuals from out of state?
    Mr. Glover. Both, and also foreign travelers on a fairly 
regular basis.
    Mr. Stauber. So, your taxpayers are paying for people 
inside and outside the county that need help, including the 
foreign visitors that are visiting the national parks. Would 
that be correct?
    Mr. Glover. That is correct.
    Mr. Stauber. While all visitors to our Federal lands should 
be able to enjoy our vast public lands safely, and should be 
able to access emergency care in the unfortunate case that it 
is needed, I have concerns that the residents and taxpayers of 
these gateway communities are forced to cover the costs of 
these search and rescue missions.
    What kind of impact does this have on local communities, 
and what kind of impact does it have on funding for other local 
essential services?
    Mr. Glover. Yes, in a county like mine, where we have a lot 
of visitation from tourists, we like to take care of the 
tourists. We like for them to come to our area, we like to care 
for them while they are there.
    Mr. Stauber. Absolutely.
    Mr. Glover. But the cost does get to be too much for local 
residents. As we tip into property taxes, for example, or sales 
tax funds that would normally fund other programs, it gets to 
be a burden that we just can't handle.
    Mr. Stauber. I think you said it well, you want it safe for 
every visitor, regardless, right? But I think what we are 
getting at, and Representative Maloy understands it, is we have 
to be able to help supplement or offset the cost to the local 
residents, because the only thing you can do, or one of the 
only things you can do is raise property taxes to cover those 
search and rescue missions.
    I think it is an obligation under this piece of legislation 
that allows some financial assistance to recoup for the time 
those rescue squads and volunteer fire services in the remote 
areas are out there answering that call for duty and helping 
their citizens.
    Mr. Chair, I am very happy about this piece of legislation. 
And just so you know, I also authored an amendment to the House 
Fiscal Year 2025 interior appropriations bill that does 
something very, very similar to this, to be able to make sure 
that we can get the coverage for those counties and those 
taxpayers that are paying for that.
    But again, we want it safe for all. And I appreciate your 
service. Law enforcement is a noble and honorable profession. 
And thank you very much.
    And Mr. Chair, I yield back.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields. I now recognize the 
gentleman from Arizona for 5 minutes, Mr. Gosar.
    Dr. Gosar. Yes. Mr. Eiguren, I happen to be Basque, too. My 
mom's maiden name is Erramouspe, so I find it very interesting. 
There is something about the Basque blood, isn't there, 
something about that?
    On grazing, I have a question for you. Have you ever 
thought about how the Taylor Grazing Act would affect grazing 
in your area?
    Mr. Eiguren. Yes, sir. But could you elaborate on that, I 
guess?
    Dr. Gosar. Yes, because the Taylor Grazing Act actually 
limits the size of monuments because the Taylor Grazing Act 
basically says that you must graze, and that grazing must be 
improved. You must elaborate on, if you have minerals, you have 
to utilize those minerals. If you have energy, you have to 
elaborate on those energy aspects. And if the grazing acts are 
there, they have to be improved. And then, once again, timber 
sales have to be monitored so that you have a constant influx 
of dollars.
    Now, why I say that is I think Mr. Houston, I think is his 
name, he brought up the FLPMA. Now, FLPMA, they took the Taylor 
Grazing Act in whole, and put it right inside FLPMA.
    I know the agencies really detest this, but Congress really 
has the only authority over public lands. Anything over 5,000 
acres, anything of duration over 2 years has to come from 
Congress. So, I think you are going to see a lot of stuff start 
to change a little bit because our area has to be put to work. 
These were meant to be done. And for the leasing of grazing, 
you had to improve it. And if you ever take the map of the 
Taylor Grazing Act applications, there is a lot of red out 
there. It is not being used. OK? So, I just want to allude that 
to you.
    Supervisor Wilson, I have to say thank you very much for 
being here, flying all that way over. Can you tell us a little 
bit how, this is our second part of our land exchange, right? 
How did the first part go?
    Mr. Wilson. Mr. Gosar, thank you for that question.
    The original conveyance of 5,889 acres occurred in May 
2020. We have been working with the developer since then and 
prior to that. But the big hold-up has been the Ten West Link 
transmission line. There was no point in building photovoltaic 
arrays until access to the market was there. The Ten West Link 
went operational in June 2024, about 5 months ago. The 500 kV 
switchyard is well under construction, anticipated to go into 
operation in January.
    Right now, we have two battery energy storage projects of 
the four that are under construction. Two of the four 
photovoltaic distinct projects on the property are well into 
permitting, they will be moving into construction just after 
the first of the year. A substation to feed into the Cielo Azul 
Switchyard is in permitting also, and things are moving pretty 
fast.
    On all of those projects there are contracts signed with 
the off-takers that have deadlines.
    Dr. Gosar. There is a new step in Parker, isn't there, in 
La Paz County, based upon this? There is a new step that people 
are excited about, aren't they?
    Mr. Wilson. Yes. There are a number of other solar projects 
throughout the county that we feel that the area that we 
initiated with the conveyance is probably the most ideal 
location, and we are hoping to expand that through the H.R. 
8517.
    Dr. Gosar. Now, I have other bills and I have a HERD Act. I 
have represented La Paz for quite some time. And one of our 
ideas has been to convey back to the people land that cannot be 
utilized. This is nothing new. Harry Reid did it out of Nevada. 
How do you think this would work for smaller acreages, giving 
them back the economic power like La Paz got by giving this 
acreage back? You had to buy it, but getting it back to you.
    Mr. Wilson. I know there are areas in the Town of 
Quartzsite, areas in our upriver, north of the town of Parker, 
and areas like the Bouse corridor that are marked for 
designation. People are reluctant to initiate purchase of those 
or lease of those because of the time constraints that it takes 
to get that through the process and be able to occupy the 
property.
    Dr. Gosar. Got you. I just have to cover one thing.
    Mr. Young, being with the cattle growers, I am from Wyoming 
originally, and now in Arizona. Have you looked at the Taylor 
Grazing Act?
    Mr. Young. I am a little bit familiar with it. I know that 
it is the basis of FLPMA and the way we graze now.
    Dr. Gosar. OK, well, that would be my suggestion. Look at 
it very carefully.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields.
    I would encourage you also, besides the Taylor Grazing Act, 
I would be sure that you are studying the language in regards 
to coordination. Like your elected officials, Sheriff. And I 
think some of you were county board members.
    But I would really look at the concept of coordination 
which is contained in Federal statute, including FLPMA, that 
requires the Federal Government to come and treat you as an 
equal at the table. It does not give you pre-eminence, but it 
requires you to be treated as an equal, and it also requires 
the Federal Government and its agencies to be consistent with 
your land use plans. If you have a strong land use plan, you 
can oftentimes protect yourself.
    Now, you may need to put demands on the Federal Government, 
because oftentimes the agencies don't want to do that because 
it requires real work in order to accomplish it. But it is in 
Federal law, and there are very few local municipalities that 
understand the power of coordination and how it could be used.
    I can tell you my home county, northern Wisconsin, is 
invoking that right now as they rewrite their land use plan 
after it expired. I think it was a 20-year expiration and 
renewal. And they are putting the coordination language in 
there, and there are people that are very knowledgeable about 
it.
    So, besides that, what Representative Gosar is talking 
about, those people that created those original documents like 
FLPMA, NEPA, and others, they knew that the Federal Government 
could be overbearing, and they gave you some ability to be able 
to protect yourselves locally, and I would just encourage you 
to take a good look at that.
    Dr. Gosar. Mr. Chairman, there is also Chevron that has 
revolutionized the whole deal of rulemaking. And that is going 
to play a part in the future here too, as well. So, thank you.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes, I would encourage you to be aggressive at 
the local level in making sure that the Federal agencies are 
working with you here as we go forward over the next 4 years.
    Dr. Donaldson, the African American Civil Rights Network, 
which was established in law in 2017, correct, and we are 
looking at renewing it now and extending it, do you believe it 
has been successful, that legislation that was passed in, I 
believe it was 2017, isn't that correct, Dr. Donaldson?
    Dr. Donaldson. It has certainly been successful, from our 
perspective. We have been connected with it as a member since 
2022.
    Mr. Tiffany. And give me the one item that comes to mind, 
that you think has been its greatest success.
    Dr. Donaldson. I think it is the growing education across 
the country. I am a professor of history, a Ph.D. in history, 
and it is amazing to me, the daily discoveries that emerge as 
we make these connections and collaborations with organizations 
and entities across the country, especially in rural areas 
where there have been some extraordinary civil rights events 
that have happened but never made the headlines. And I think 
this network is helping to amplify the work in these local 
areas and bringing due attention to those areas, as well.
    Mr. Tiffany. Sarah Mae Flemming.
    Dr. Donaldson. Most notably, yes.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes, yes, for sure.
    Mr. Houston, I think you said you had, what, 25,000 members 
in your organization?
    Mr. Houston. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Tiffany. How many of them live in Malheur County?
    Mr. Houston. I don't have that specific statistic. I would 
guess probably a couple hundred.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes. So, that is one of the things that those 
of us that live in these sparsely populated areas in comparison 
to the big cities, we get really concerned. And it goes back to 
the coordination thing that we just talked about. We really 
want to make sure that those of us that live in these 
communities, that we are not being overrun by those that 
perceive us as not being good stewards of the land, that there 
needs to be more land taken out of productivity, that there is 
an ethos of preservation rather than management. That is a 
great concern of ours.
    And since I made that statement, if you want to share some 
comments, you are welcome to.
    Mr. Houston. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    I think what you are speaking to really speaks to the 
importance of the local collaboration. And Elias and I spoke 
about each other in the testimony today, and I think what it 
really comes down to is we sat down to have conversations about 
exactly the things you are mentioning. How do we figure out how 
to balance conservation, long-term stewardship with the 
livelihood of the local ranching community? And how do we 
figure out a way to make that work over the long term?
    And I think, for me personally, that is really the value of 
those local conversations. We come out of those conversations, 
we come down, we sit here before the testimony. We talk about 
how our daughters like to play piano. It builds human 
connection that helps us cross some of those barriers and 
ultimately break down some of those conflicts and figure out 
how to talk about moving forward together.
    So, that is what we have learned, and that is ultimately, I 
think, what led to the proposal that Senator Wyden put together 
that I talk about hitting the sweet spot, because we did the 
work together to figure out exactly how to balance those 
things.
    Mr. Tiffany. Well, I can tell you that, as the Chairman of 
Federal Lands and really having spent so much more time in the 
West, coming from northern Wisconsin, and we largely have 
private property in our state, but seeing what has happened to 
the West, it really is of great concern. When we see the number 
of sawmills that have closed across the West, I mean, the 
statistics when I was out in Yosemite a year ago, and you hear 
about the number of sawmills that have closed, the number of 
ranching operations that have closed, and you see what I would 
call the devastation that has gone on as a result of this 
preservationist mentality and big cities dictating to these 
rural communities, it really is of great concern, and we hate 
to see that. And we would like to see the expansion of our 
rural communities, and that is not what is happening at this 
point.
    Ms. Brennan, I think you said something in regards to, or 
it was in some of our materials here today, that we could 
actually be using grazing rather than chemicals to be able to 
control the areas that are prone to wildfire.
    Ms. Brennan. Absolutely, these animals can consume these 
grasses and actually remove the grasses instead of just, in my 
view, rearranging them.
    And it is important to actually move this stuff off of the 
landscape. And it is not just grasses, but they are good with 
some of the small woody shrubs, especially post-fire.
    Mr. Tiffany. And is chemical treatment common?
    Ms. Brennan. It is often litigated. When we see projects, 
some of our private forest timber companies are a little bit 
more effective at being able to utilize chemical applications. 
The agency, unfortunately, has some real challenges. It is 
really associated around litigation.
    Mr. Tiffany. So, it sounds like there is an organic 
alternative. Use cattle.
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. Brennan. Use cattle, absolutely.
    Mr. Tiffany. Yes, yes for sure.
    Also in your testimony here you had something in regards to 
the Rim Fire took out 45 California spotted owl nesting sites.
    Ms. Brennan. Yes.
    Mr. Tiffany. A fifth of the known gray owl nesting sites 
were burned out. Is that accurate?
    Ms. Brennan. Yes, it is. It is very well documented.
    Mr. Tiffany. That is incredible, the devastation that it is 
doing to wildlife by allowing these massive fires. Is that 
accurate?
    Ms. Brennan. Yes.
    Mr. Tiffany. And it says 90 million metric tons will be 
emitted through ongoing decay process. Could you describe that 
a little bit more?
    I mean, you have the immediate emissions that happen that 
are so harmful to air quality, but it continues in the years 
that are following?
    Ms. Brennan. Yes. It is really from two sources. In the Rim 
Fire, roughly 15 percent of the public lands had a treatment, 
so some form of harvest of the dead timber. The rest of it has 
fallen, and it has jack-strawed, and it is going through a 
decaying process. And those elements are being released into 
the atmosphere.
    Mr. Tiffany. You didn't have this in your testimony, but is 
it also accurate that sometimes these fires are so hot that it 
sterilizes the soil and it actually doesn't grow back? Is that 
accurate?
    Ms. Brennan. Yes. You are correct, because I think that is 
the biggest problem that we have is the percentage of high 
severity burns which are completely altering the landscape. We 
are losing mixed conifer forests at a rapid rate, and they are 
turning to brush fields.
    Mr. Tiffany. Once again, not living in the West, not being 
as familiar as you folks that live there, the lack of 
management on our Federal lands in the West is an absolute 
travesty. I can't believe that this continues, and I can't 
believe that an administration would want to make more monument 
designations and lock up more lands to not manage it anymore.
    It is very clear, what has happened over especially the 
last decade, I would say over the last couple decades, is that 
this lack of management is harming America in so many different 
ways. It is harming endangered species, it is harming the 
environment, and it is harming the economy of the Western 
United States. It is incredible that we allow this to continue 
to happen in this day and age, especially with the technology 
that we have to be able to stop fire. And the harm being done 
to families is just awful.
    The war on rural America is real, and it is awful, and it 
is time that it changes.
    I yield, and I would like to recognize Mr. Moylan for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Moylan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Sheriff Glover, thank you for your testimony there. And in 
your testimony, you mentioned something important to me. Your 
visitation rates are increasing in Utah. That is wonderful to 
hear. And given the popular tourism increase there, it is 
financially sustainable for the Federal land counties you 
represent to continue providing lifesaving service, search and 
rescue services. Or actually, is it financially stable for you 
to continue without this measure going forward?
    And you came up with a few examples, but I would just like 
you to have some opportunity and some time just to explain some 
more examples of the impact or the financial burden that you 
are seeing without this measure moving forward, please.
    Mr. Glover. Yes, thank you for the question, Congressman.
    I would say this. Search and rescue missions range from a 
single deputy going out to pull someone out of the mud on a 
rainy day to complex rescue events that involve very serious 
and expensive equipment like helicopters, snowcats, boats, 
underwater robots, sonar, those kinds of things. It is the 
latter that becomes cost prohibitive to the average sheriff.
    And like I said in my testimony, search and rescue used to 
be a Jeep posse and a few men on horses that would go out and 
find a lost hunter. Now it is a lot different. Now it is people 
that find their way into every crack and crevice in the Earth, 
and we are having to find experts in the field of rappelling 
and canyoneering and high angle rescue to be able to get to 
those people and get them out of those difficult situations.
    So, the complexity of our calls has just really ballooned 
out of control, and the costs have gone with that.
    Mr. Moylan. I appreciate it. And the measure you are in 
support of would answer that problem for you?
    Mr. Glover. Yes, this bill would help the problem. It is 
really a combination of efforts, I would say. I mean, we are 
not going to get away from states and counties' taxpayer 
dollars funding search and rescue, and we shouldn't. It is the 
sheriff's responsibility to do that in most counties. But we 
need another partner. We need to be able to keep up with the 
changes in search and rescue. We need another partner. And on 
Federal lands, we would like for the Federal Government to be a 
partner, and I think this bill would help with that through 
grant funding.
    Mr. Moylan. Sheriff, thank you for your great work.
    Mr. Clark, in your testimony, you mentioned support from 
the Department of Defense for the establishment of a national 
preserve that includes land near the adjacent Robins Air Force 
Base. How have you collaborated with the Air Force base and 
your region, and how specifically would they benefit from this, 
please?
    Mr. Clark. Thank you for that question, Congressman.
    The Robins Air Force Base is one of the largest economic 
engines not just in Middle Georgia, but in Georgia. There is no 
viability of Middle Georgia's economy without a robust, 
mission-ready base in Middle Georgia.
    Over the past couple of years, we have advocated for the 
coordination between the Department of the Interior and the 
Department of Defense on conservation boundaries. The 
Department of Defense, they have stated that they have an 
interest in the encroachment zone, that they have developed a 
REPI boundary around the base. We advocated successfully that 
that REPI boundary overlap with the study area of the special 
resource study.
    We then looked at the special resource study 
recommendations, and developed the boundary of this map to 
comport. We lowered it in scope almost in half, but 
intentionally kept that conservation boundary inside that REPI 
boundary so that we could make sure that we were supporting the 
conservation of that buffer zone to meet those needs of Robins 
Air Force Base.
    But that resulted in the Department of Defense's 
sustainability plan recommending the creation of this national 
park and preserve. But they are one of our strongest partners 
in this project.
    Mr. Moylan. It is good to hear, I appreciate it.
    Thank you, everyone, for your testimony.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Thank you.
    Mr. Tiffany. The gentleman yields. I would like to thank 
all of you who made the long trek here to Washington, DC. Thank 
you so much for taking the time out of your week to be able to 
come here and share your testimony. It is appreciated more than 
you know. And I want to thank the Members for their questions.
    Members of the Subcommittee may have some additional 
questions for you, and we will ask that you respond to those in 
writing. Under Committee Rule 3, members of the Subcommittee 
must submit questions to the Subcommittee Clerk by 5 p.m. on 
Friday, November 22, 2024.
    The hearing record will be held open for 10 business days 
for those responses.
    If there is no further business, without objection, the 
Subcommittee on Federal Lands stands adjourned.

    [Whereupon, at 5:21 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]

            [ADDITIONAL MATERIALS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD]

                        Statement for the Record
                        
                       Bureau of Land Management
                    U.S. Department of the Interior

           on H.R. 6441, H.R. 8517, H.R. 9062, and H.R. 10082

Introduction

    Thank you for the opportunity to provide a Statement for the Record 
on the bills on the hearing agenda related to Bureau of Land Management 
(BLM). The BLM manages approximately 245 million surface acres, located 
primarily in 12 western states, and approximately 700 million acres of 
subsurface mineral estate. The Federal Land Policy and Management Act 
(FLPMA) sets forth the BLM's multiple-use mission, directing that 
public lands generally be managed for a broad range of uses, such as 
renewable and conventional energy development, livestock grazing, 
timber production, hunting and fishing, recreation, wilderness, and 
conservation--including protecting cultural and historic resources. 
FLPMA also requires the BLM to manage public land resources on a 
sustained-yield basis for the benefit of current and future 
generations.
    This multiple-use, sustained yield mission enables the BLM to make 
tremendous contributions to economic growth, job creation, and domestic 
energy production, while generating revenues for Federal and state 
treasuries and local economies and allowing for a thoughtful, science--
based approach to management of our public lands and waters. Lands 
managed by the BLM also provide vital habitat for more than 3,000 
species of wildlife and support fisheries of exceptional regional and 
national value. In addition, as recognized by the Biden-Harris 
Administration's America the Beautiful initiative, many uses of our 
lands and waters, including working lands, are consistent with the 
conservation of the nation's natural resources, contributing to the 
long-term health and sustainability of natural systems.
    We appreciate the Sponsors' work on the bills under consideration 
today. A review of each of the bills follows.
H.R. 6441, Ranching Without Red Tape

    H.R. 6441 would require the Department of the Interior (Department) 
to streamline the procedures for authorizing minor range improvements 
carried out by grazing permittees and the BLM. Minor range improvements 
are defined by the bill as improvements to existing fences and fence 
lines, wells, water pipelines, and stock tanks.
    Under H.R. 6441, the Department (and the U.S. Department of 
Agriculture) would be directed to issue regulations that would allow 
for minor range improvements on permitted lands if the grazing permit 
holder requests the minor range improvements with 30 days prior notice 
and either receives agency approval or no response. Additionally, the 
bill requires the BLM to respond to requests by permittees for range 
improvements to be carried out by the BLM within 30 days. If the BLM 
agrees to carry out the requested range improvement, the agency is 
directed to provide notification to the state office serving the area 
and to expedite carrying out the range improvement using any available 
administrative tool, including categorical exclusions.
Analysis

    The Department supports the goals of the bill to identify 
opportunities for increasing efficiency in public land grazing 
administration. We would like to work with the Sponsor and the 
Subcommittee to further these shared goals and ensure that any new 
regulations define minor range improvements in a manner that avoids 
unintended impacts to wildlife or adjacent resources. Structural 
improvements can often involve substantial disturbance to soils and 
vegetation, and all improvements may not be appropriately considered 
``minor.'' For example, improving water pipelines can involve burying 
pipe, which can require clearing trees and brush and create obstacles 
for wildlife. Accordingly, impacts from proposed range improvements to 
soils, vegetation, wildlife, and cultural resources are analyzed in 
compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and other 
applicable laws, and can vary widely depending on the project design 
and the project location. Lastly, the Department recommends providing 
more than 30 days for the BLM to respond to requests for either the 
permittee or the BLM to carry out range improvements. Additional time 
may be required to conduct reviews and surveys to comply with NEPA and 
other applicable laws and allow for the timeframes established for 
participation in grazing decision processes currently provided by the 
BLM's grazing regulations.
H.R. 8517, La Paz County Solar Energy and Job Creation Act

    H.R. 8517 directs the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary) to 
convey approximately 3,400 acres of BLM-managed public lands to La Paz 
County, Arizona, as soon as practicable after receiving a request from 
the county to convey the land. Under the bill, the conveyance would be 
subject to valid existing rights and such terms and conditions as the 
Secretary determines to be necessary, and the subsurface would be 
withdrawn from mineral entry. Any Federal lands with significant 
cultural, environmental, wildlife, or recreational resources would be 
excluded from the conveyance. La Paz County would be required to pay 
fair market value for the land based on an appraisal conducted using 
uniform appraisal standards, as well as all costs related to the 
conveyance, including all surveys, appraisals, and other administrative 
costs.
    H.R. 8517 also specifies that as a condition of conveyance, La Paz 
County and any subsequent owner of the conveyed land are required to 
make good faith efforts to avoid disturbing Tribal artifacts. If Tribal 
artifacts are disturbed, La Paz County would be required to minimize 
impacts to the artifacts and allow Tribal representatives to rebury 
artifacts at or near where they were discovered. La Paz County is also 
required to coordinate with the Colorado River Indian Tribes Tribal 
Historic Preservation Office to identify artifacts of cultural and 
historic significance. Other than these conditions, the bill does not 
impose any further use, development, or disposal restrictions for the 
surface acres conveyed to the county.
    Recognizing the urgency of the climate crisis, the Biden 
Administration has set a goal to achieve a carbon pollution-free power 
sector by 2035, and the Energy Act of 2020 has set a goal of permitting 
25 gigawatts of renewable energy projects on public lands by 2025. The 
BLM is engaging our Tribal partners, industry, stakeholders, and the 
states to increase opportunities for renewable energy development on 
public lands. The BLM supports the Sponsors' stated goals of promoting 
solar energy development but has some concerns with the approach of the 
bill as discussed below.
Analysis

    La Paz County, located in western Arizona, is home to approximately 
17,000 people. The county provides significant recreational 
opportunities due to its close proximity to the Colorado River; three 
National Wildlife Refuges; and has a number of cultural and historic 
sites, including old mines and ghost towns.
    The John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation 
Act (Public Law 116-9, Dingell Act) included provisions directing the 
conveyance to La Paz County of approximately 5,900 acres of BLM-managed 
public lands for economic development and renewable energy generation. 
The BLM announced the successful conveyance of this land to La Paz 
County on May 22, 2020. The approximately 3,400 acres of BLM-managed 
public land to be conveyed under H.R. 8517 are adjacent to the lands 
conveyed to La Paz County under the Dingell Act.
    Currently, the lands proposed for conveyance under H.R. 8517 are 
primarily utilized for livestock grazing and include range improvements 
to facilitate grazing. The BLM is in the midst of processing a 
photovoltaic solar energy application on 3,495 acres within the 
proposed area to be conveyed, with a proposed capacity of 600 
megawatts. The BLM released a final Environmental Impact Statement 
(EIS) for this project on November 15, 2024, and anticipates issuance 
of a final decision in the coming weeks. The lands have not been 
identified as potentially suitable for disposal in the Yuma Resource 
Management Plan, which the BLM completed in 2010.
    The BLM recognizes the importance of efficiently deploying 
renewable energy projects on both public and private lands to meet the 
urgent demands of the climate crisis while empowering American workers 
and businesses to lead a clean energy revolution. We also recognize the 
Sponsor's effort in the bill to protect cultural and tribal resources, 
and the BLM is aware of public support for using these lands for solar 
energy development.
    As noted above, the BLM is currently reviewing a solar energy 
project within the proposed conveyance area through a process that will 
ensure full protection for sensitive resources, including cultural 
resources, and gives full consideration to the cumulative impacts of 
the multiple solar projects in the area. If this legislation is enacted 
and some or all of the lands are conveyed, the BLM will not be able to 
approve the pending photovoltaic solar energy application.
    Given the BLM's pending review of this project, we question whether 
the proposed land conveyance is necessary to advance responsible 
renewable energy development while protecting environmental and 
cultural resources and the interests of American taxpayers. 
Furthermore, as currently written, the bill does not guarantee that 
once the lands are conveyed, those lands would be used for renewable 
energy development. Should Congress decide to pursue the conveyance, 
the BLM would like to work with the Sponsor on modifications that would 
solidify the intended use of these lands for renewable energy 
development and ensure appropriate environmental reviews.
    We appreciate the sponsors' inclusion of the Uniform Appraisal 
Standards for Federal Land Acquisition and Uniform Standards of 
Professional Appraisal Practice provisions and would welcome the 
opportunity to work with the bill Sponsor to ensure the 
responsibilities of each party to the conveyance are clear. The BLM 
notes that there are several actions that may be required before the 
BLM can convey public lands, such as environmental assessments and 
cultural, biological, and cadastral surveys. The BLM is also aware of 
possible range improvements in the proposed area that may need to be 
compensated for, in compliance with grazing laws and regulations, in 
addition to the assessment and survey work required for conveyance.
H.R. 9062, Operational Flexibility Grazing Management Program Act

    H.R. 9062 aims to provide grazing permittees and leaseholders with 
increased operational flexibility based on emerging landscape 
conditions as a way to improve the long-term ecological health of 
Federal land. The Department supports the bill's goal to provide the 
BLM with flexibility to restore the ecological health of public lands 
used for grazing and welcomes the opportunity to work with the Sponsor 
to ensure the use of operational flexibility does not result in 
unintended consequences.
Analysis

    H.R. 9062 provides that the Secretary may carry out an Operational 
Flexibility Grazing Management Program. Under this program, at the 
request of an authorized grazing permittee or lessee when renewing a 
grazing permit or lease, the Secretary would be required to ``develop 
and authorize at least [one] alternative to provide operational 
flexibility'' to permittees and leaseholders to address changing 
conditions on the ground. Such alternatives would be developed in 
consultation with the authorized grazing permittee or lessee; affected 
Federal and state agencies; applicable Indian Tribes; and other 
landowners, permittees, or lessees in the affected allotment.
    As currently written, the draft appears to require the BLM to not 
just consider but select and authorize an alternative that includes 
operational flexibility. Such a requirement may prevent the BLM from 
selecting the most appropriate management alternative to promote 
ecological health. The Department recommends that the bill require the 
BLM to develop and analyze at least one alternative that includes 
operational flexibility, but not require that the agency necessarily 
authorize that alternative. That approach provides the agency with 
flexibility to manage public lands to support ecological health.
    The bill also directs the Secretary, if requested by the permittee 
or lessee, to use new and existing data to provide interim operational 
flexibility that may include an allowance to deviate from the 21 terms 
and conditions of the existing permit--for up to the remaining term of 
the permit--to address significant changes in weather or forage 
production or effects due to fire, drought, market conditions, or other 
temporary conditions. Management flexibility may include adjusting the 
season of use; the beginning or ending date, or both, of the period of 
use; the stocking level; water placement and transportation; and other 
operational actions. Under the bill, the season of use could be 
adjusted by up to 14 days before the beginning date specified in the 
permit or up to 14 days after the ending date of the permit, unless an 
allotment management plan or its equivalent would allow for an even 
greater adjustment.
    As currently drafted, implementing interim operational flexibility 
outside the terms and conditions of the existing permit, for the 
duration of the permit, may not comply with the requirements of other 
state or Federal laws, including NEPA, and may cause unintended impacts 
to resources. The Department recommends that the bill specify that 
these adjustments cannot exceed the active use authorized by the permit 
or cause new surface disturbance.
    Under the bill, permittees would also be required to provide the 
BLM with advance notice of two business days before utilizing the 
flexibility. The Department recommends defining the market conditions 
and other temporary reasons that would prompt the use of interim 
operational flexibility. The Department would also like to work with 
the Sponsor to identify a more appropriate period for advanced notice 
before exercising flexibility to facilitate implementation.
    Additionally, the Secretary would be required to develop 
cooperative rangeland monitoring plans, in coordination with grazing 
permittees and lessees, that comply with applicable monitoring 
requirements under FLPMA, applicable Federal grazing regulations, and 
rangeland health objectives to monitor and evaluate outcomes from the 
use of operational flexibilities under the program. Eight years after 
the date of enactment, the Secretary would be required to conduct a 
review of the use of operational flexibilities under the program, 
including a review of ecological and other relevant outcomes.
    The Department recognizes that providing permittees with 
flexibility to adjust their grazing use will provide more timely and 
responsive adjustments to changing conditions in order to achieve 
identified resource and operational objectives. We recommend that 
allowances to depart from permit or lease terms and conditions for 
purposes of operational flexibility also include objectives that 
identify when adjustments are appropriate and provide for a monitoring 
plan that tracks how progress is measured toward achieving those 
objectives. Cooperative rangeland monitoring is a key component of 
implementing strategically sound grazing flexibility as part of the 
BLM's existing outcome based grazing program.
    The Department appreciates the bill's inclusion of the requirement 
for cooperative rangeland monitoring plans and would like to work with 
the Sponsor to develop more stringent monitoring requirements to ensure 
that the use of operational flexibilities results in benefits to the 
health of public lands and does not result in unintended harm to 
wildlife and other resources. The success of the BLM's current outcome 
based grazing program is due, in part, to the program's cooperative 
monitoring plans, which include monitoring methods and protocols; a 
schedule for collecting data; identifying the responsible party for 
data collection and storage; an evaluation schedule; and a description 
of the anticipated use of the data (e.g., adjusting season-of-use, 
assessing habitat, and determining trends). The Department recommends 
that the monitoring plans contemplated by this bill also include these 
components and provisions for making any adjustments.
    Finally, the bill prohibits the Secretary from terminating or 
failing to renew an applicable grazing permit or lease for violation if 
the use of an operational flexibility under the program violates the 
applicable permit or lease. It is unclear whether this prohibition 
could create tension with the BLM's obligations to enforce other 
applicable environmental protection and cultural resources laws, such 
as the Endangered Species Act (ESA), the National Historic Preservation 
Act (NHPA), and others. The Department would like to work with the 
Sponsor on this provision to ensure that the appropriate use of the 
operational flexibility complies with other applicable laws and does 
not result in the termination or failure to renew a grazing permit or 
lease.
H.R. 10082, Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and Community Protection Act

    H.R. 10082 would designate approximately 926,000 acres of 
wilderness, modified to allow for certain uses generally prohibited by 
the Wilderness Act, while providing for increased grazing flexibility 
intended to meet rangeland health standards on public lands in Malheur 
County, Oregon. It would also release approximately 600,000 acres of 
existing wilderness study areas and direct that any lands in Malheur 
County not designated as wilderness no longer be inventoried for 
wilderness characteristics under section 201(a) of FLPMA or managed for 
``wilderness purposes.'' Further, the bill would transfer nearly 32,000 
acres of BLM-managed, State-owned land, and create a Tribal Co-
Stewardship Area overlapping the BLM's existing Castle Rock Wilderness 
Study Area, to be released by the bill, including approximately 2,500 
acres of land to be held in trust.
    Malheur County is located in the southeast corner of Oregon. It is 
the second largest county in the State, spanning 9,874 square miles or 
6.3 million acres, and has a population of approximately 31,000 
according to the United States Census Bureau. For many years, cattle 
ranching and agriculture have been the major economic enterprises in 
the county. Over 70 percent of the county is in public ownership, 
including 4.4 million acres of public lands managed by the BLM.
    The BLM is committed to ensuring the long-term sustainability of 
healthy and productive lands, consistent with its multiple-use mandate 
under FLPMA. We believe partnerships and local public involvement are 
vital to managing sustainable, working public lands. This means 
respecting the ties that communities have to public lands, allowing 
state and local economies to prosper, and welcoming and valuing diverse 
views into our planning processes. As part of our commitment to healthy 
and productive landscapes, the BLM has recently amended the Resource 
Management Plan (RMP) for public lands within southeastern Oregon, 
including public lands managed by the BLM in Malheur County covered by 
H.R. 10082.
    The BLM supports the designation of wilderness to conserve public 
lands and waters for future generations and efforts to improve the 
ecological health of working lands and to restore Tribal homelands to 
Tribal ownership, where appropriate. However, the BLM cannot support 
H.R. 10082 as written because it would erode the purpose of the 
Wilderness Act to preserve and protect natural ecosystems and provide 
opportunities for solitude and primitive recreation; invite 
inconsistent management of the National Wilderness Preservation System; 
and restrict the BLM's ability to manage public lands under FLPMA.
Analysis
Malheur County Grazing Management Program (Sec. 3)

    Section 3 of the bill authorizes the Secretary to carry out the 
``Malheur County Grazing Management Program'' to provide grazing 
permittees and leaseholders with increased operational flexibility 
intended to improve rangeland health. Under the bill, when renewing a 
grazing permit or lease under the program, the Secretary would develop 
and analyze at least one alternative to provide operational flexibility 
to permittees and leaseholders to address changing conditions on the 
ground. The proposed operational flexibilities would be developed 
pursuant to NEPA.
    The Secretary would be required to develop cooperative rangeland 
monitoring plans to assess natural resource conditions and evaluate the 
impact of permitted livestock use on rangeland health and livestock 
management objectives in the applicable land use plan. The BLM 
recommends the inclusion of language requiring all monitoring plans to 
identify the responsible party for data collection and storage.
    Additionally, H.R. 10082 directs the Secretary to enact additional 
interim flexibilities, such as allowing a variance to the terms and 
conditions of the existing applicable grazing permits, adjusting the 
season of use by no more than 14 days, and modifying dates of pasture 
rotation by no more than 14 days. These adjustments would not extend 
the overall season of use but would allow the days permitted to be 
changed based on weather, forage production, or the effects of fire or 
drought. The BLM would like to work with the Sponsor on language 
providing the BLM with additional advance notice of the use of these 
flexibilities and to ensure the use of flexibilities does not exceed 
the amount of active use specified in the permit or lease.
    Further, the bill allows the permittees to change the placement of 
water structures for livestock or wildlife, subject to water rights 
laws, but not within 100 yards of any existing roads. The BLM supports 
interim flexibilities to adjust season of use and pasture rotation, 
noting that the seasons of use will not be extended but altered in 
response to changing conditions on the ground. The BLM also welcomes 
the opportunity to work with the Sponsor on additional legislative text 
to ensure the proposed movement of water structures does not impact 
sensitive natural resources and complies with the requirements of other 
State and Federal laws, including section 106 of the NHPA, the 
Archeological Resources Protection Act, the ESA, and water rights 
concerns.
    Our nation's rangelands provide and support a variety of goods, 
services, and values important to all Americans. In addition to being a 
key source of forage for livestock, healthy rangelands conserve soil, 
sequester carbon, store, and filter water, serve as a home for an 
abundance of wildlife, provide scenic beauty, and are the setting for 
many forms of outdoor recreation. We appreciate the Sponsor's effort to 
provide the BLM with the grazing flexibility outlined in H.R. 10082 for 
grazing to meet rangeland health standards and conserve resource values 
in the face of climate change and extreme drought. Further, the BLM 
appreciates the opportunity to continue working with the Sponsor to 
strengthen Tribal consultation and opportunities for Tribal 
participation in land management decisions and ensure the health of the 
public lands while still allowing them to be used for grazing, 
recreation, and other uses.
Malheur C.E.O. Group (Sec. 4)

    Section 4 of H.R. 10082 establishes the Malheur C.E.O. Group that 
includes representatives appointed by the Secretary, based on 
recommendations from the BLM's Vale District Manager and the County 
commissioners, including county grazing permittees and lessees, 
businesses, conservation organizations, the Burns Paiute Tribe, and the 
Fort McDermott Tribe. Under the bill, the Malheur C.E.O. Group shall 
propose eligible projects to be carried out by the Malheur C.E.O. Group 
or a third party. Projects carried out on Federal land or using Federal 
funds must be approved by the head of the applicable Federal agency 
within 14 days. Lastly, the bill directs any Federal agency with 
authority and responsibility in the county to provide technical 
assistance to the Malheur C.E.O. Group on request of the Malheur C.E.O. 
Group.
    The BLM notes that timeframes for approval of range improvement 
projects under BLM's regulations include time for protests and appeals 
that exceed the 14 days currently allotted. The BLM recommends 
extending the 14-day timeframe to ensure sufficient time to make a 
decision based on applicable law and science.
    The BLM also notes that the Southeast Oregon Resource Advisory 
Committee (RAC) currently provides advice and recommendations on all 
aspects of public land management to the BLM's Burns and Vale District 
Offices, including lands in Malheur County. The bill assigns the 
Malheur C.E.O. Group a role that is dedicated to developing and funding 
restoration and management projects that could complement the efforts 
of the Southeast Oregon RAC, and as such, the BLM supports the creation 
of the Malheur C.E.O. Group, but welcomes the opportunity to work with 
the Sponsor to ensure that the Group's role is consistent with existing 
law and complements, rather than duplicates, the roles of other groups 
such as the Southeast Oregon RAC.
Wilderness & Land Designations (Sec. 5)

    H.R. 10082 establishes more than 926,000 acres of wilderness 
(modified to allow for enumerated motorized and mechanical uses) and 
releases approximately 601,300 acres of wilderness study areas from 
non-impairment management under section 603 of FLPMA. The bill also 
directs that any lands not designated as wilderness, including 
approximately 1,065,600 acres of lands with wilderness characteristics, 
no longer be inventoried for the presence of wilderness characteristics 
under section 201(a) of FLPMA or managed to maintain, preserve, or 
protect those wilderness characteristics as part of the land use 
planning process under section 202 of FLPMA. The BLM recognizes that 
the wide-ranging lands of Malheur County encompass scenic canyons, 
volcanic rock formations, and rolling hills that serve as habitat for a 
diversity of plant and animal life and provide important opportunities 
for hiking, camping, horseback riding, and other forms of outdoor 
recreation.
    As written, H.R. 10082 allows for the continuation of motorized use 
on certain routes in designated wilderness areas by the Burns Paiute 
Tribe for cultural purposes; the BLM for administrative purposes; 
grazing permittees, their agents, and invitees for road maintenance, 
weed control, fire suppression, and grazing-related activities; private 
landowners and their agents and invitees for access; and lastly County 
and State employees to access State land and county roads. 
Additionally, the bill allows for the use of mechanical equipment for 
wildfire suppression, invasive species control, and activities 
necessary for management of livestock.
    The BLM notes that the Wilderness Act provides for valid existing 
rights in section 4(c), access to state and private inholdings in 
section 5(a), equipment use in the control of noxious weeds under 
conditions specified in section 4(c), and the use of motor vehicles and 
equipment by grazing permittees in section 4(d)(4)(2) and as further 
outlined in the Congressional Grazing Guidelines (Appendix A of the 
report of the Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs of the House of 
Representatives accompanying H.R. 2570 of the 101st Congress, H. Rept. 
101-405 dated February 21, 1990). Given these provisions of the 
Wilderness Act accommodating access and administration of wilderness, 
the allowance of motorized and mechanized tools and transportation set 
forth in section 5 of H.R. 10082 is both overly broad and unnecessary. 
Further, the BLM has a well-established process to evaluate whether 
administrative action may be necessary in wilderness and guidance for 
determining the minimum technique, timing, or amount of a prohibited 
use necessary to address the wilderness stewardship issue. The bill's 
blanket allowance for motorized and mechanized tools and uses in 
section 5(b) is inconsistent with the intent of the Wilderness Act, and 
the BLM opposes these provisions.
    Wilderness is a key component of conservation. The Biden-Harris 
Administration recognizes that wilderness is a fundamentally important 
part of the American landscape, not only for cultural, economic, and 
scientific values, but also for the beauty, majesty, and solitude it 
provides. The BLM would support the designation of the proposed 
wilderness areas in a manner consistent with the Wilderness Act.
    Additionally, the BLM cannot support the bill's direction in 
section 5(c) that public lands in Malheur County that are not 
designated as wilderness will no longer be inventoried for the presence 
of wilderness characteristics or managed for the maintenance, 
preservation, or protection of those characteristics as part of the 
land use planning process. As noted above, this includes approximately 
601,300 acres of existing wilderness study areas that would be released 
by the bill as well as approximately 1,065,600 acres of lands with 
wilderness characteristics and other public lands. Section 5(c) of H.R. 
10082 provides that these lands be managed for principal and major uses 
as defined in section 103 of FLPMA and specifies that the lands be 
managed for values unrelated to wilderness. Section 201(a) of FLPMA 
requires the BLM to maintain an inventory of all public lands and their 
resources and other values, which includes wilderness characteristics. 
The inventory of all public lands directed under section 201(a) of 
FLPMA is a critical underpinning of the land use planning process. It 
is the local planning process through which the BLM makes important 
decisions on management of these lands, including, among other things, 
mineral development, grazing, off-highway vehicle use, hunting, and the 
conservation of natural values. The BLM cannot support eliminating 
wilderness as a resource from the inventory of public lands that 
informs the land use planning process, particularly when over 1.6 
million acres at issue are known to possess wilderness character. The 
BLM also notes that it is not aware of any precedent for legislation 
that directs the agency to avoid inventorying public lands for certain 
resources, and the Bureau believes that such direction would contravene 
FLPMA's mandate to manage the public lands based on science and 
reliable information.
    Section 5(d) of H.R. 10082 requires the BLM to initiate a process 
to amend the Southeast Oregon RMP and include a Wilderness Plan and a 
Travel Management Plan. Further, this section directs the BLM to not 
restrict the use of motorized vehicles on certain roads for specific 
categories of users. The BLM's Comprehensive Travel and Transportation 
Management program aims to provide reasonable and varied transportation 
routes for access to the public lands and also provide areas for a wide 
variety of both motorized and non-motorized recreational activities. By 
improving trail and off highway vehicle management through land use 
planning, the BLM minimizes impacts to wildlife habitat; reduces the 
introduction and spread of invasive weeds; lessens conflicts among 
various motorized and non-motorized recreation users; and prevents 
damage to cultural resources resulting from the expansion of roads and 
trails on public lands. Legislating specific roads to remain open to 
certain uses indefinitely would prevent the BLM from adequately 
addressing changing conditions on the ground.
Land Conveyance to the Burns Paiute Tribe (Sec. 6)

    Under section 6, approximately 21,000 acres of BLM-managed public 
lands, 6,686 acres of certain private land, and 4,137 acres of State 
land would be held in trust for the benefit of the Burns Paiute Tribe 
to protect and conserve cultural and natural values, and to be part of 
the reservation of the Burns Paiute Tribe. Additionally, the bill 
creates a Tribal Co-Stewardship Area overlapping the Castle Rock WSA.
    The Department recognizes, through Secretarial Order 3403, Joint 
Secretarial Order on Fulfilling the Trust Responsibility to Indian 
Tribes in the Stewardship of Federal Lands and Waters, which was signed 
jointly with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, that it is the policy 
of the United States to restore Tribal homelands to Tribal ownership 
and to promote Tribal stewardship and Tribal self-government. The 
Department supports consolidation of Tribal landholdings within 
reservations, including Tribal acquisition of Federal lands and private 
inholdings. The BLM has conducted an initial review of existing land 
uses on the lands affected by the provision and supports the proposed 
conveyance of lands to be held in trust for the Burns Paiute Tribe. The 
BLM would like to work with the Subcommittee and bill Sponsor on 
technical modifications to the land transfer provisions, and language 
addressing grazing, and standard conveyance language.
Conclusion

    Thank you again for the opportunity to provide this Statement for 
the Record.

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                        Statement for the Record
                        
                         National Park Service
                    U.S. Department of the Interior
                    
           on H.R. 8182, H.R. 9165, H.R. 9528, and H.R. 10084

H.R. 8182, To Establish the Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve 
        in the State of Georgia, and for other purposes

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to present the Department 
of the Interior's views on H.R. 8182, a bill to establish the Ocmulgee 
Mounds National Park and Preserve in the State of Georgia, and for 
other purposes.
    The Department supports the intent of H.R. 8182 to bring additional 
recognition, protection, and interpretation to the resources associated 
with the Ocmulgee Mounds and the Ocmulgee River Corridor but would like 
to work with the sponsor and the Committee on amendments that would 
improve the bill's implementation.
    H.R. 8182 would redesignate Ocmulgee Mounds National Historical 
Park as Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and authorize the establishment 
of Ocmulgee Mounds National Preserve, subject to the acquisition of 
sufficient land to constitute a manageable park unit. The two 
components would collectively be designated as a single NPS unit called 
``Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve.'' Included in the 
boundary of the preserve would be the Bond Swamp National Wildlife 
Refuge, which would continue to be administered by the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service (FWS). The bill would direct the Secretary of the 
Interior to enter into an agreement with the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to 
provide for the co-management of the park and preserve after receiving 
recommendations for that purpose from an Advisory Council that would be 
authorized to be established by the bill. The bill contains several 
other provisions.
    The area proposed to be included in Ocmulgee Mounds National Park 
and Preserve would encompass traditional homelands of the Muscogee and 
other Indigenous peoples, numerous nationally significant archeological 
sites, diverse wildlife and vegetation communities, and provide 
expansive recreation and visitor opportunities. Ocmulgee Mounds 
National Historical Park, situated approximately three miles east of 
downtown Macon, Georgia, commemorates over 12,000 years of human 
habitation, spanning from the Paleo-Indian era through the Archaic, 
Woodland, and Lamar periods, to the historical presence of the Muscogee 
Creek people. The park's prominent features include Lamar and 
Mississippian period earth mounds, a colonial trading post, and Civil 
War earthworks. Bond Swamp National Wildlife Refuge (refuge), located 
ten miles southwest of Ocmulgee Mounds National Historical Park, 
conserves the ecosystem of the Ocmulgee River floodplain, featuring 
mixed hardwood and pine ridges, bottomland hardwood forests, swamp 
forests, and oxbow lakes. A large part of the area proposed for 
inclusion in the Ocmulgee Mounds National Preserve is currently under 
the administrative jurisdiction of the FWS or within the Bond Swamp 
National Wildlife Refuge's approved acquisition boundary.
    Public Law 116-9, enacted in 2019, redesignated Ocmulgee National 
Monument as Ocmulgee Mounds National Historical Park. The designation 
of ``national historical park'' fits with the National Park Service's 
standard nomenclature for a park that primarily features historic 
resources. However, the Department understands the intent to expand the 
park's boundaries to conserve the area's diverse natural and cultural 
resources and rename the park as Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and 
Preserve.
    Public Law 116-9 also authorized a special resource study of the 
Ocmulgee River corridor, which extends from Macon to Hawkinsville. The 
study, which the NPS transmitted to Congress in November 2023, found 
that the corridor met the special resource study criteria for national 
significance and suitability for inclusion in the National Park System. 
The study identified challenges associated with the potential 
acquisition of private property in the large area evaluated in the 
study, in part due to existing and expanding development, agricultural 
and mining activities, and timber harvesting.
    The Department supports the intent of H.R. 8182, and we would like 
to work with the bill's sponsor and the Committee to ensure that the 
lands identified for inclusion in the proposed Ocmulgee Mounds National 
Park and Preserve are feasible for Federal acquisition and align with 
the distinct laws, regulations, and policies that govern the FWS and 
NPS. We also want to ensure that the prohibition on hunting for the 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Park section of the new unit is explicitly 
codified in the legislation. Finally, we want to ensure that in 
addition to the Muskogee (Creek) Nation, all federally recognized 
Tribes who have a cultural affiliation with the Ocmulgee Mounds region 
have the opportunity to pursue co-management or co-stewardship 
agreements with the NPS. We would be pleased to provide amendments for 
these purposes.
    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, this concludes our 
statement.

H.R. 9165, The Public Land Search And Rescue Act

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the 
subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to present the Department 
of the Interior's views on H.R. 9165, the Public Land Search and Rescue 
Act.
    The Department supports the goal of alleviating the financial 
burden experienced by state and local entities assisting in search and 
rescue operations on Federal land. We would like to work with the 
sponsor and the subcommittee to explore different ways, outside the 
establishment of the new grant program proposed by H.R. 9165, through 
which Federal land management agencies could better support our state 
and local partners who assist in these operations. The Department 
defers to the Department of Agriculture for their views regarding the 
effect of H.R. 9165 on the U.S. Forest Service.
    H.R. 9165 would direct the Secretary of the Interior to establish a 
grant program to help pay for remote search and rescue operations on 
Federal land under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Interior 
and the Secretary of Agriculture. The bill would award grants to state 
and local entities as reimbursement for operations they have conducted 
on Federal land, and to purchase and maintain equipment used for remote 
search and rescue activities. Grants could cover up to 75 percent of 
the cost of these activities. Priority in applications for the grants 
would be given to state and local entities (or their designees) in 
areas that serve a high ratio of visitors to residents.
    It is unclear what the source of funding would be for this grant 
program or how it would be administered. The Department has three 
primary land management bureaus--the National Park Service, the Bureau 
of Land Management, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service--with which 
it would need to coordinate this program, but the Department would also 
need to coordinate with the U.S. Forest Service because the program 
would also be responsible for providing grants for activities on lands 
under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Agriculture.
    The Department's team of dedicated, highly trained search and 
rescue personnel provide invaluable assistance to hundreds of visitors 
every year, and we are committed to making that process as safe and 
effective as possible. We greatly value the help we receive from state 
and local governments in serving the public in that capacity. Before 
acting on this bill, we would like to explore alternative ways to 
address the challenges faced by state and local governments in 
providing assistance, without creating a new multi-bureau grant 
program.
    If the Committee moves forward with this bill, the Department 
recommends amending Section 2(a) of the bill to read ``In General.--Not 
later than one year after funding has been made available, the 
Secretary shall establish a program to provide grants and allocate 
resources for remote search and rescue activities conducted on Federal 
land under the jurisdiction of the Secretary.'' Currently, the bill 
requires establishing the program within one year of enactment. This 
proposed amendment would ensure funding would be in place to support 
the program. We would also appreciate the opportunity to provide 
additional recommended amendments as we further analyze the potential 
impacts of the bill.
    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, this concludes our 
statement.

H.R. 9528, To redesignate certain facilities at Paterson Great Falls 
        National Historical Park in honor of Congressman Bill Pascrell, 
        Jr.

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the 
subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to present the views of the 
Department of the Interior on H.R. 9528, to redesignate certain 
facilities at Paterson Great Falls National Historical Park in honor of 
Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr.
    H.R. 9528 would redesignate the Great Falls Scenic Overlook Trail 
Bridge and Overlook Park at Paterson Great Falls National Historical 
Park as the ``Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. Scenic Overlook Trail 
Bridge'' and ``Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. Overlook Park'' 
respectively.
    The Great Falls of the Passaic River, with its natural chasm and 
77-foot waterfall, provides an extraordinary scenic and geologic 
resource in the midst of an industrialized city and opportunities for 
relaxation, contemplation, and inspiration. Paterson Great Falls 
National Historical Park and the associated national historic landmark 
district provide one of the best opportunities to view a complete 
hydropower system from its source above the Great Falls of the Passaic 
River to its transformation into power for the mills and the 
surrounding community.
    Overlook Park is an approximately 2.5-acre natural and cultural 
landscape that serves as the primary destination for visitors to park, 
offering views of the Great Falls and orientation to the national 
historical park. The Scenic Overlook Trail Bridge is one of two year-
round pedestrian footbridges that serve approximately 300,000 visitors 
per year and are on the primary walking route from the park visitor 
center across the Passaic River to the viewing platform over the Great 
Falls at Overlook Park.
    Representative Pascrell, a former high school teacher and college 
professor and lifelong resident of Paterson, worked tirelessly over 
many years to seek formal designation of Paterson Great Falls National 
Historical Park to ensure its protection and interpretation for future 
generations of Americans. After sponsoring the legislation to establish 
the park, which was enacted in 2009, Representative Pascrell continued 
to be a champion for the park's successful operation and development.
    The NPS generally discourages the naming of park features except 
when there is a compelling justification and at least five years have 
elapsed since the death of the person. However, we recognize that 
Congress may also specifically authorize the placement of such 
recognition. In this instance, the Department defers to Congress and 
does not object to H.R. 9528.
    If the Committee moves forward with this bill, we recommend 
amending it to omit the title ``Congressman'' from the proposed name 
for the facilities, using only ``Bill Pascrell, Jr.''.
    Customarily, park facilities that are named in honor of a person do 
not include the person's title. Chairman Tiffany, this concludes our 
statement.

H.R. 10084, a Bill to Extend the Authorization of the African American 
        Civil Rights Network

    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and members of the 
subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to present the views of the 
Department of the Interior on H.R. 10084, a bill to extend the 
authorization of the African American Civil Rights Network.

    The Department supports H.R. 10084 with an amendment.

    H.R. 10084 would amend Section 308404 of title 54, United States 
Code, to extend the authorization of African American Civil Rights 
Network for an additional 10 years after enactment of this bill. The 
authority for this program is currently scheduled to expire on January 
8, 2025.
    Established by Public Law 115-104 in 2018, the African American 
Civil Rights Network (Network) is a collection of properties, 
facilities, and programs that offer a comprehensive overview of the 
people, places, and events associated with the African American civil 
rights movement. The Network provides an opportunity to ensure that the 
history of the civil rights movement and the sacrifices made by those 
who fought for its cause are remembered, shared, and commemorated. 
There are 189 members of the Network in 29 states and the District of 
Columbia, as well as nationwide facilities, organizations, and 
programs.
    Inclusion in the Network is non-competitive and all properties, 
facilities, and programs that meet the criteria will be added to the 
Network. Properties will only be included with the consent of the 
property owner. Members may use the official African American Civil 
Rights Network logo and are eligible to receive technical assistance 
from the National Park Service (NPS). The NPS may also enter into 
cooperative agreements to carry out the program.
    The Department recommends amending H.R. 10084 to include a 
provision that would expand the eligibility of NPS units and programs 
for inclusion in the Network. Currently, the statute specifies 
inclusion of NPS units and programs related to the civil rights 
movement during the period from 1939 through 1968. The non-NPS entities 
eligible for addition to the Network are not limited to this time 
period. Removing this time-period requirement would allow current and 
future NPS units and programs that have relevance to and interpret 
African American civil rights history before 1939 or after 1968 to be 
eligible for Network membership. We would be happy to provide 
recommended language for this amendment.
    Chairman Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, this concludes our 
statement.

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   Questions Submitted for the Record to the Honorable Deb Haaland, 
       Secretary, U.S. Department of the Interior, Washington, DC

The Honorable Deb Haaland did not submit responses to the Committee by 
the appropriate deadline for inclusion in the printed record.

            Questions Submitted by Representative Westerman

    Question 1. Why did the Department not send a witness in person to 
testify at this hearing?

    Question 2. Does the Department support grazing as a wildfire risk 
reduction strategy?

    Question 3. Can you please provide information about DOI efforts to 
utilize targeted grazing as a part of your efforts to reduce hazardous 
fuels?

    3a) Please identify states and DOI units where targeted grazing has 
been utilized.

    Question 4. Please provide an update on the implementation of the 
Department's 5-year strategy to address wildfires.

    Question 5. Has the BLM been approached with interest in a 
restoration or mitigation lease on any BLM land?

    Question 6. Has the BLM discussed with any interested party a 
restoration or mitigation lease that would encompass current grazing 
allotments?

    6a) If yes, please provide details about the relationship of 
grazing and restoration or mitigation leases.

    Question 7. Has the BLM discussed with any interested party a 
restoration or mitigation lease that would encompass land with current 
solar panels or future plans for a solar panel development?

    7a) If yes, please provide details about the relationship of the 
current solar projects and restoration or mitigation leases.

    Question 8. Will the BLM commit to notifying the Committee of any 
restoration or mitigation lease that will be issued at least 24 hours 
before it is officially issued and publicly announced, whichever comes 
first?

    Question 9. How many BLM acres have burned due to wildfire where 
there was a current grazing lease for each year for the past 10 years?

    Question 10. How many BLM acres have burned due to wildfire where 
there was not a current grazing lease for each year for the past 10 
years?

    10a) How many of these acres were available or suitable for grazing 
as indicated in the appropriate Resource Management Plan?

    Question 11. What is the BLM's current backlog of permits or leases 
related to grazing that are awaiting approval by the agency?

    Question 12. How many grazing permits or leases did the BLM approve 
or reapprove in fiscal year (FY) 2024?

    Question 13. How many grazing permits or leases does the BLM 
project it will review and make a decision on in FY 2025?

    Question 14. Is the BLM currently facing any litigation on the 
issuance of a grazing permit or lease, the approval of a modification 
to a permit, or allowance of a minor range improvement (i.e. 
improvements to existing fences and fence lines, wells, water 
pipelines, and stock tanks)? If so, please provide a list of current 
court cases.

    Question 15. How many requests did the BLM receive for minor range 
improvements, i.e. improvements to existing fences and fence lines, 
wells, water pipelines, and stock tanks, each year for the past five 
years?

    15a) How many were approved within 30 days?

    Question 16. Is there a categorical exclusion for minor range 
improvements, i.e. improvements to existing fences and fence lines, 
wells, water pipelines, and stock tanks? If so, please provide how many 
times the categorical exclusion was used in the last five years. If 
not, would the BLM support a categorical exclusion for this purpose?

    Question 17. As of November 2023, the Bureau of Land Management 
(BLM) had 10,845 unprocessed grazing permits. Does BLM have specific 
plans to reduce this backlog?

    17a) If yes, please provide a description of such plans and explain 
how they will improve upon existing practices.

    17b) If no, please explain why not.

    Question 18. In its Statement for the Record, the BLM explained 
that it supports H.R. 6441's goal of ``increasing efficiency in public 
land grazing administration'' but disagrees with the bill's definition 
of ``minor range improvements.''

    18a) Does the BLM believe that any subset of ``improvements to 
existing fences and fence lines, wells, water pipelines, and stock 
tanks'' would qualify as minor? Please explain why or why not.

    18b) Approximately what percentage of minor range improvements, as 
defined by H.R. 6441, are among those ``structural improvements'' that 
``involve substantial disturbance to soils and vegetation''?

    18c) Please provide a definition of ``minor range improvements'' 
that the BLM would view as acceptable and that would still further H.R. 
6441's goals (which BLM claims it supports).

    Question 19. Why does the BLM believe it will take more than 30 
days to respond to a request by an existing grazing permittee or lessee 
to conduct improvements to existing fences and fence lines, wells, 
water pipelines, or stock tanks?

    Question 20. Does the BLM believe that most requests by ranchers to 
repair existing fences would ``involve substantial disturbance to soils 
and vegetation''? Please explain why or why not.

    Question 21. Does the BLM believe that ranchers are generally good 
stewards of the public lands out West? Why or why not?

    Question 22. Regarding H.R. 9062, BLM has expressed a concern that 
increasing ranchers' operational flexibility under their leases could 
``result in unintended consequences.'' Yet in supporting the bill, Jeff 
Young, President of the Utah Cattlemen's Association, stated that 
ranchers often ``have to choose whether to make the best choice for the 
land and water resources or whether to remain in compliance with their 
permit or law.'' According to Mr. Young, ``ensuring compliance with the 
law always wins.'' Does the BLM not acknowledge, then, that its own 
grazing policies have the potential to create significant unintended 
consequences of their own?

    Question 23. A goal of H.R. 9062 is to foster better communication 
between ranchers and the BLM. Does the BLM believe that its 
communication with ranchers could generally be improved?

    23a) If yes, in which ways?

    23b) If not, why not?

    Question 24. In his testimony in support of H.R. 10082, 
Representative Cliff Bentz (R-OR-02) observed that large portions of 
the Owyhee River in Oregon are already protected by statutes such as 
the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act, the Taylor Grazing Act, the Endangered 
Species Act, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act, the 
Archaeological Resources Protection Act, the Clean Water Act, the Clean 
Air Act, and the National Environmental Policy Act. Given these 
multiple layers of federal protection, does the BLM believe that a 
national monument is necessary in the region? Why or why not?

    Question 25. According to the Oregon Health Authority, Malheur 
County is the poorest county in the state. Local residents often point 
to extensive federal land ownership in the county as an impediment to 
pursuing economic opportunities. Does the BLM believe that it could be 
doing more to further economic development in Malheur County? Please 
explain either way.

    Question 26. Does the BLM believe that the designated wildernesses 
and wilderness study areas in Malheur County could be modified to 
improve wildfire prevention activities? Please explain in detail.

    Question 27. In the recently revised Malheur County Grazing 
Management Program, how did the BLM take into account input from the 
agriculture community in Southeastern Oregon?

    Question 28. Is the BLM aware of any potential national monuments 
the White House plans to designate between now and the end of President 
Biden's term?

    28a) If yes, on which potential national monuments was the BLM 
consulted?

    Question 29. Has anybody in the White House or from the Council on 
Environmental Quality (CEQ) asked the BLM to provide substantive or 
technical feedback on a potential national monument designation, 
including by creating maps for such a designation?

    29a) If yes, on which potential national monuments was the BLM 
consulted?

    Question 30. Since January 2021, please provide a list of each 
national monument designation and how many acres available for grazing 
were either added or reduced in the designation.

    Question 31. Since January 2021, please provide a list of each 
national monument designation and how many acres available for energy 
development were either added or reduced in the designation.

    Question 32. Since January 2021, please provide a list of each 
national monument designation and how many acres available for 
recreational shooting were either added or reduced in the designation.

    Question 33. In its Statement for the Record regarding H.R. 8517, 
the BLM stated that the agency ``is currently reviewing a solar energy 
project within the proposed conveyance area.''

    33a) How long has this proposed project been under BLM review?

    33b) When does the BLM anticipate making a final decision on this 
proposed project?

    33c) Does the BLM believe that its review of the project is faster 
than La Paz County could have reviewed the same or similar projects?

    Question 34. Approximately 95 percent of the land in La Paz County, 
Arizona, is under federal, state, or Tribal management, with only five 
percent of the land available for private ownership. BLM, alone, 
controls roughly 58 percent of the land in the county. Does the BLM 
acknowledge that large federal footprints can have adverse effects on 
the economic self-sufficiency of rural communities?

    Question 35. How many Search and Rescue operations have occurred on 
DOI land in the last 5 years?

    Question 36. Since 2020, how much has DOI spent on remote Search 
and Rescue search operations on Federal Land under its jurisdiction?

    36a) Include the amount spent in each of the following Agencies: 
National Park Service, Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service, and Bureau of Reclamation.

    36b) Include the amount spent in FY2020 through FY2024.

    Question 37. Please list the total number of personnel employed by 
the Department of the Interior as of November 23, 2024, that conduct or 
assist with search and rescue missions on federal land under the 
jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior.

    37a) Include the number of personnel in each of the following 
agencies: National Park Service, Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Fish 
and Wildlife Service, and the Bureau of Reclamation.

    Question 38. What funding sources currently support the 
Department's Search and Rescue teams on federal land?

    Question 39. How does the Department coordinate with local law 
enforcement agency when notified of a missing person on federal land?

    Question 40. Does the Department believe that the program created 
by Rep. Maloy's bill will help improve public safety?

    Question 41. How does the process of joining the African American 
Civil Rights Network differ between a site that is a unit or program of 
the NPS compared to a site that does not have any affiliation?

    Question 42. What is the average length of time it takes an NPS 
affiliated site to join the African American Civil Rights Network 
compared to a non-NPS affiliated site?

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Submissions for the Record by Rep. Westerman

Prepared Statement of the Hon. Bruce Westerman, Chairman of the Natural 
                          Resources Committee

    Thank you, Chairman Tiffany. I'd like to take a moment to commend 
you for your leadership this Congress as the Chairman of this very 
important Subcommittee.
    It is remarkable to think about all that we have accomplished this 
year to improve federal lands management, promote conservation, 
increase access, support innovation, and make agencies transparent and 
accountable to the American people.
    In total, this Subcommittee has had process this Congress on more 
than 110 pieces of legislation from Republican and Democrat Members 
across the country. The Subcommittee has held more than 30 legislative 
and oversight hearings and supported numerous full Committee hearings. 
This includes two of the Committee's first ever outdoor field hearings 
in the Yosemite Valley and southern Utah.
    True to its fashion, this Subcommittee has operated in an 
overwhelmingly bipartisan fashion. Today's hearing, like most of the 
others held this Congress, feature a ratio of Republican to Democrat 
bills that exceeds the standard 3-to-1 ratio.
    The Subcommittee has also advanced two overwhelmingly bipartisan 
bills that I have had the privilege of championing, the ``Fix Our 
Forests Act'' and the ``EXPLORE Act.''
    The ``Fix Our Forests Act'' is comprehensive, bipartisan forestry 
legislation I led with Congressman Scott Peters to improve the health 
of our nation's forests and bolster their resiliency to catastrophic 
wildfires, insects, disease, and drought. This bill gives land managers 
the tools they need to immediately start work on the ground by 
codifying emergency authorities, streamlining environmental reviews, 
and ending frivolous litigation.
    The ``EXPLORE Act,'' which is led by myself and full Committee 
Ranking Member Grijalva, supports the $1.1 trillion outdoor recreation 
economy by improving access to our public lands and waters. Supported 
by more than 300 organizations, this bill passed the House unanimously 
earlier this year.
    As we close out the remainder of this Congress, I look forward to 
working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and in the Senate 
to advance these pieces of legislation, along with many others, across 
the finish line. I believe we have a real opportunity to deliver 
enormous wins for Americans across the country by sending as many of 
the bills this Committee has worked on this Congress to the President's 
desk.
    Moving to the bills on today's agenda, I am encouraged to see 
another full slate of legislation being considered by the Subcommittee 
on Federal Lands. I appreciate the bill sponsors leading these 
thoughtful bills before us today.
    The bills before us improve public lands grazing, create economic 
opportunities through domestic renewable energy production, support 
local search and rescue activities on federal lands, establish the 
first National Park in Georgia, honor the Civil Rights Movement, and 
protect local residents in Malheur County, Oregon, through a series of 
public lands management provisions.
    There is perhaps no greater steward of our federal lands than 
public lands ranchers. America's ranchers take great pride in 
protecting the lands they graze on. The ranching community has 
consistently demonstrated an unwavering commitment to leaving the land 
in a better condition for future generations. Ranchers are truly the 
embodiment of `conservation versus preservation.'
    Grazing on public lands is of course extremely important for rural 
economies and for providing food for the nation. Grazing is also an 
invaluable land management tool that provides immense conservation and 
ecosystem benefits.
    I am pleased to see four bills before us today that offer 
innovative reforms and protections that will improve grazing policies 
and provide important flexibility for ranchers and the communities that 
rely on them.
    I would like to highlight H.R. 7666, which is being led by 
Representative LaMalfa. This legislation would direct the Forest 
Service to expand the use of proactive, targeted grazing in fuels 
management programs to help combat the threat of wildfire.
    As we have examined ways to combat our historically severe wildfire 
crisis, the importance of using all of the tools available in the 
toolbox has continued to be emphasized by the experts and stakeholders 
on the frontlines of this fight. Targeted grazing is one of those tools 
that has enormous potential to help mitigate catastrophic wildfire 
risk.
    Through targeted grazing, livestock can eat grasses and shrubs that 
would otherwise serve as fuel for wildfire. This can create fuel breaks 
that can be strategically placed to help mitigate wildfire risk. I 
applaud Congressman LaMalfa's leadership on this effort and was proud 
to also support this language as an amendment on the floor to the ``Fix 
Our Forests Act.''
    Additionally, I want to commend Congressman Clyburn for his 
leadership on H.R. 10084, the ``Renewing the African American Civil 
Rights Network Act.'' Signed into law in 2018, the African American 
Civil Rights Network recognizes the importance of the African American 
Civil Rights movement and the sacrifices made by the people who fought 
against discrimination. The Network includes more than 80 sites across 
the country that tell the story of communities and civic leaders who 
were vital in the struggle for justice and equality.
    My home state of Arkansas is home to one of those sites. The Little 
Rock Central High School was among the first institutions to integrate 
following the Brown v. Board of Education ruling from the Supreme 
Court, which held that segregation of America's public schools was 
unconstitutional. In 1957, the Little Rock Nine bravely stepped into 
the battle for civil rights as they became the first African Americans 
to desegregate Little Rock Central High school.
    I'd also like to recognize Congressman Scott for his leadership on 
legislation that would create Georgia's first national park, 
Congressman Curtis for his continued support of Utah's ranchers, 
Congresswoman Maloy for her legislation supporting local law 
enforcement, Chairman Bentz for his leadership on resolving contentious 
land designation issues in his home district, and Chairman Gosar for 
offering legislation that will create new jobs and economic growth in 
Arizona.
    I thank the bill sponsors for the bills being considered today. I 
also want to thank all the witnesses for being here to provide their 
expert testimony on these important topics. I look forward to hearing 
from each of you as we examine these proposals here before us.
    In closing, the Natural Resources Committee has dedicated 
considerable time this Congress looking for ways to improve the 
management and stewardship of our federal lands. I'm pleased to report 
that we won't be slowing down any time soon and look forward to working 
with the Trump administration in the 119th Congress on many of our 
nation's most pressing natural resources issues.

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Submissions for the Record by Rep. Tiffany

                       Testimony in opposition to                      
 H.R. 10082, the Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and Community Protection Act

    Chair Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and Members of the 
Subcommittee:

    On behalf of our millions of members and supporters, we write to 
express our strong opposition to H.R. 10082, the Oregon Owyhee 
Wilderness and Community Protection Act. We support legislation that 
will improve management and conservation of public lands, waters and 
wildlife, promote community engagement, support local communities and 
economies, and elevate Tribal priorities in Oregon's Owyhee 
Canyonlands, but H.R. 10082 would not accomplish these goals. Rather, 
H.R. 10082 would undermine decades of federal law and policy governing 
public lands management; usurp the authority of the Bureau of Land 
Management; reduce the role of science, accountability and transparency 
in management; limit public participation in deciding the future of 
public lands; and burden the Burns Paiute Tribe's interest in 
reconnecting with the Owyhee Canyonlands with unnecessary constraints 
and insulting requirements.
    To understand the effect of H.R. 10082, it is important to first 
consider its genesis in the context of the past five years. H.R. 10082 
was developed by Oregon Representative Cliff Bentz as an alternative to 
S. 1890, the Malheur Community Empowerment for the Owyhee Act, co-
sponsored by Oregon Senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley and introduced 
in the Senate in June 2023. Although both H.R. 10082 and S. 1890 
address the same landscape, their approach to public lands 
conservation, management, community involvement, Tribal rights, and 
respect for existing federal laws could not be more different and 
diverge in very significant and problematic ways.
    S. 1890 began to take shape in 2019 when Senator Wyden convened a 
broad diversity of stakeholders in Ontario, Oregon, to explore the 
potential for a community-supported proposal for the long-term 
protection and management of Oregon's Owyhee Canyonlands. The 
stakeholders included a diverse array of ranchers, businesses, 
conservation groups, Tribes, hunters, anglers, academics, recreational 
interests, and others. Since 2019, the group has evolved to include 
additional community stakeholders and has met dozens of times to 
discuss, negotiate, develop and refine Senator Wyden's proposal.
    In spite of the diverse and sometimes conflicting views, the group 
coalesced around a common commitment to protecting and managing the 
``long-term ecological health'' of the 4.5 million acres of public 
lands in Malheur County. This commitment became a guiding principle for 
the group as they considered options to protect, manage, and sustain 
multiple uses in the Owyhee Canyonlands, ensuring that each provision 
was compatible with restoring and maintaining the long-term ecological 
health of the landscape as an outcome that would accrue benefits to all 
involved.
    Of critical importance, in developing his proposal, Senator Wyden 
also established some key sideboards and made several important 
commitments of his own, including respecting Tribal rights and 
sovereignty, relying on science to govern public land management, and 
ensuring that his proposal would not undermine existing bedrock laws on 
public lands management and conservation.

    Following dozens of meetings, thousands of hours of work and 
discussion by stakeholders, allies and partners over many years, S. 
1890 was voted out of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural 
Resources with bipartisan support in December 2023. S. 1890 includes 
the key components as agreed upon by community members, ranchers, the 
Burns Paiute Tribe and conservation interests:

     Designation of 1.1 million acres of wilderness in the 
            Owyhee Canyonlands and surrounding areas, building upon 
            520,000 acres of adjacent wilderness designated in Idaho's 
            Owyhee Canyonlands in 2009;

     Transfer of ?30,000 acres of public and tribal land into 
            federal trust for the Burns Paiute Tribe and promotion of 
            Tribal co-stewardship on surrounding federal lands;

     Establishment of a flexible, science-based grazing 
            management and monitoring program designed to improve the 
            ecological health of 4.5 million acres of public lands in 
            Malheur County; and

     Creation and funding of a consensus-based, multi-
            stakeholder organization--the ``Malheur CEO Group''--to 
            develop and fund restoration and management projects 
            throughout the region.
    Although H.R. 10082 is nominally based on S. 1890, H.R. 10082 would 
result in significantly different, harmful outcomes and negative 
precedents for public lands management. Key examples include:

     Section 2 would eliminate the definition of ``long-term 
            ecological health,'' a core tenet the community supported 
            to ensure sustainable management of public lands in Malheur 
            County.

     Section 3 would eliminate the requirements for data 
            collection, monitoring and adaptive management for 
            livestock grazing, undermining the ability for ranchers, 
            the Bureau of Land Management and the public to assess and 
            manage the impacts, positive or negative, of adjustments to 
            permitted livestock use. H.R. 10082 would also remove the 
            requirement for Secretarial review, evaluation and, if 
            necessary, adjustment of the grazing management program 
            after 10 years, essentially making the program permanent 
            before having any information about its efficacy.

     Section 4 would eliminate the consensus-based community 
            group in favor of a much smaller committee weighted in 
            favor of industry while excluding other key constituencies.

     Section 5 would undermine the recommendations of the 
            Southeast Oregon Resource Advisory Committee, public 
            process and federal law and policy by overriding the 
            recently-adopted Southeastern Oregon Resource Management 
            Plan Amendment, eliminating current and future conservation 
            management on more than 3.5 million acres of public lands 
            not designated as Wilderness. This would include the 
            release of nearly 375,000 acres of existing Wilderness 
            Study Areas and require that none of the 1.2 million acres 
            of existing Lands with Wilderness Characteristics (LWCs) be 
            managed to protect their wilderness values.

     Undermines wilderness and the Wilderness Act by 
            establishing unnecessary roads and promoting motor vehicle 
            access in protected areas, resulting in the designation of 
            something other than actual wilderness.

     Section 6 would burden the Burns Paiute Tribe with 
            financial obligations, requiring the Tribe to pay ranchers 
            for adjusting grazing use to conserve their sacred lands, 
            including paying for fencing to protect sacred sites from 
            livestock. It further requires Tribal management to 
            ``protect the interests of those who hold livestock grazing 
            permits,'' thus tying the Tribe's hands in how they manage 
            their sacred lands.

    We strongly oppose H.R. 10082, urge the Committee to vote ``NO'' on 
this bill should it move forward, and encourage Congress to focus on 
advancing Senator Wyden's thoroughly vetted, community-supported 
proposal for protecting the Owyhee Canyonlands that has already 
advanced to the Senate floor with bipartisan support.

            Sincerely,

        American Bird Conservancy     Kettle Range Conservation Group

        Center for Biological 
          Diversity                   Klamath Forest Alliance

        Central/Eastern Oregon 
          Bitterbrush Chapter, Great 
          Old Broads for Wilderness   Love is King

        Conservation Lands 
          Foundation                  Oregon League of Conservation 
                                        Voters

        Endangered Species 
          Coalition                   Oregon Natural Desert Association
        Environment Oregon            Project Eleven Hundred

        Environmental Protection 
          Information Center--EPIC    Sierra Club

        Friends of the Owyhee         Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance

        Great Old Broads for 
          Wilderness                  The Wilderness Society

        GreenLatinos                  Vet Voice Foundation

        Intentional Hiking            WildEarth Guardians

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United States House of Representatives
Committee on Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Federal Lands

Re: November 19, 2024 Legislative Hearing

    Chair Tiffany, Ranking Member Neguse, and Members of the 
Subcommittee:

    Our organizations represent hundreds of thousands of hunters and 
anglers nationwide and in Oregon who share in a collective belief that 
healthy public lands are essential to sustaining our hunting and 
angling traditions. On behalf of these hunters and anglers, we write to 
express our opposition to H.R. 10082, the Oregon Owyhee Wilderness and 
Community Protection Act.
    We believe the Owyhee Canyonlands is a landscape that should be 
safeguarded for future generations of American sportsmen and women. The 
Owyhee is an integral part of the sagebrush steppe landscape that 
supports more than 350 species of fish and wildlife, including 
California bighorn sheep, pronghorn, elk, mule deer, sage grouse, brown 
trout, and native interior redband trout. Our organizations support the 
multiple uses of public land in this region and recognize good 
stewardship means sustainable ranching, fish and wildlife habitat 
management, public access and meaningful resource conservation.
    In 2019, Senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley first introduced the 
Malheur Community Empowerment for the Owyhee Act--a bill that would 
designate 1.1 million acres of the Owyhee as wilderness, establish a 
flexible, science-based grazing and monitoring program, create and fund 
a ``Malheur CEO Group'' made up of multiple stakeholders, and transfer 
30,000 acres of public and tribal land into federal trust for the Burns 
Paiute Tribe. Part of this five-year legislative process included the 
founding of a ``legislative table team'' made up of tribes, local 
ranchers, environmental organizations, and hook and bullet groups. 
These stakeholders, along with Senator Wyden, reached consensus and 
then developed a refined version of the Owyhee Act. In June of 2023, 
Senator Wyden reintroduced the legislation as Senate Bill 1890.
    S. 1890 provides a balanced management approach that protects and 
preserves exceptional fish and wildlife habitat as well as the high 
quality of life and economic benefits the area provides to local 
communities, Tribes, and ranchers. It would also honor the rights of 
Tribal Nations, recognize the area's rich fishing and hunting heritage, 
and allow multiple-use activities, like livestock grazing, to continue.

    While we appreciate that Congressman Bentz is involved in this 
endeavor, our organizations are concerned that H.R. 10082 would 
compromise key components of S. 1890 that were agreed to by local 
community members, hunters and anglers, ranchers, the Burns Paiute 
Tribe and conservation groups. H.R. 10082 would undermine the 
protection of fish and wildlife habitat and set poor precedents for 
management of our public lands. Some examples of this include:

     Elimination of the definition of ``long-term ecological 
            health'', a principle agreed upon by stakeholders to ensure 
            sustainable and responsible management of federal public 
            lands in Malheur County. (Section 2)

     Removal of the livestock grazing monitoring program that 
            would allow ranchers, the Bureau of Land Management, and 
            members of the public to make adaptive management decisions 
            to livestock grazing in Malheur County. H.R. 10082 
            ultimately makes the flexible grazing program permanent by 
            eliminating the requirement for Secretarial review, 
            evaluation, and possible adjustment of the program after 10 
            years. (Section 3)

     Changes the makeup of the ``Malheur CEO Group'' from broad 
            representation of community members, businesses, ranchers, 
            Tribes, environmental groups, and hunters and anglers to a 
            smaller group weighed in favor of industry. (Section 4)

     Overrides the community-driven Southeastern Oregon 
            Resource Management Plan Amendment adopted in 2024 by 
            preventing conservation management on over 3.5 million 
            acres of public lands and eliminating protections on 1.6 
            million acres of the most ecologically important public 
            lands. (Section 5)

     Undermines the Wilderness Act by promoting the use of 
            heavy equipment in Wilderness areas. (Section 5)

     Unilaterally creates the precedent for permanent release 
            of wilderness study areas and prevents wilderness review of 
            all federal lands in Malheur County and requires said lands 
            to be managed for non-wilderness values. (Section 5)

    We thank you for the opportunity to share our concerns about H.R. 
10082 and respectfully ask the Committee to vote ``NO'' on this bill 
should it advance. We encourage Congress to pass Senator Wyden's 
locally driven legislation, S. 1890. As one of the premier destinations 
for sportsmen and women in Oregon, the Owyhee Canyonlands demand 
permanent protection of our hunting, angling, and outdoor recreation 
heritage. We remain committed to working with Congress to ensure that 
the Owyhee Canyonlands and the region's fish and wildlife habitat are 
protected this year.

            Sincerely,

        Backcountry Hunters & 
          Anglers                     Northwest Sportfishing Industry 
                                        Association

        National Wildlife 
          Federation                  Trout Unlimited

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                NATIONAL PARKS CONSERVATION ASSOCIATION
                             Washington, DC

                                              November 19, 2024    

House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Re: NPCA Position on Legislation before the Committee on Natural 
        Resources

    Dear Representative:

    Since 1919, National Parks Conservation Association (NPCA) has been 
the leading voice of the American people in protecting and enhancing 
our National Park System. On behalf of our 1.6 million members and 
supporters nationwide, we write to share our thoughts on select 
legislation ahead of a hearing in the Committee on Natural Resources 
Subcommittee on Federal Lands scheduled for November 19, 2024.

    H.R. 8182--Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve Establishment 
Act: NPCA conditionally supports this legislation to establish the 
Ocmulgee Mounds National Park and Preserve in the State of Georgia. 
NPCA strongly believes that the current Ocmulgee Mounds National 
Historical Park is worthy of expansion and elevation to National Park 
status. However, we would like to work with the bill's sponsors and the 
Committee on several specific issues in the legislation as written.

    Congressional approval of this designation would allow for co-
management of a National Park System unit by a historically removed 
Tribe. At the same time, we acknowledge the lack of inclusion of other 
Tribes with a connection to this site. Given the significance of this 
proposed management structure, NPCA urges amendment of this bill to 
strengthen the Advisory Council (Section 5) by the addition of at least 
two members to include: 1) the President of the College of the Muscogee 
Nation--to advise on the training and development of tribal members to 
fulfill the hiring preference provision of the legislation (Section 
4d)--and 2) the Assistant to the Director of the National Park Service, 
Native American Affairs Liaison--to incorporate high-level agency 
expertise on emerging co-management practices. NPCA would further urge 
that one of the Advisory Council seats dedicated to the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service should similarly reflect high-level agency expertise 
on emerging co-management practices within the National Wildlife Refuge 
System.

    While the Advisory Council is tasked with producing recommendations 
to the Secretary of the Interior on the creation of a co-management 
plan, we believe the bill should have a separate provision for the 
development of a co--management agreement between applicable tribes and 
the Park Service. Further, the bill should ensure opportunities for the 
public and interested organizations to comment on a draft management 
plan and a co-management agreement before they are finalized. 
Additionally, we are concerned about the provision in the bill 
requiring the Park Service to implement cultural resource 
interpretation at Bond Swamp National Wildlife Refuge as this approach 
may not comport with the Park Service's duties and mission. We are also 
concerned about the various provisions on military activities including 
allowing ``tactical ground parties'' and how this may conflict with 
visitor experience in the park unit. Lastly, NPCA recognizes and 
supports the desire of Twiggs, Houston, and Bibb Counties to fully 
participate in the establishment of the new unit.

    Thank you for considering our views.

            Sincerely,

                                          Christina Hazard,
                                               Legislative Director

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  Public Lands Council  National Cattlemen's Beef Association 
                                

                  American Sheep Industry Association

                                              November 18, 2024    

Hon. Tom Tiffany, Chairman
Hon. Joe Neguse, Ranking Member
Committee on Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Federal Lands
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Chairman Tiffany and Ranking Member Neguse:

    We write to express our strong support for H.R. 6441, the 
``Ranching Without Red Tape Act of 2023'' and urge the Committee's 
swift consideration of the bill. Introduced by Representatives Gabe 
Vasquez (D-NM) and John Curtis (R-UT), this bill represents a 
commonsense improvement to administration of grazing permits that 
allows cattle and sheep producers to be responsive to on-the-ground 
conditions without unnecessary bureaucratic delays. This bill, together 
with its Senate companion (S. 3322) introduced by Senator John Barrasso 
(R-WY), is both good governance and responsible land management policy.

    The Public Lands Council (PLC) is the national association 
dedicated to representing the unique rights and interests of cattle and 
sheep producers who hold approximately 22,000 federal grazing permits 
on public lands across the West. Together with our state and national 
affiliates, including the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (NCBA) 
and the American Sheep Industry Association (ASI), we engage in a wide 
variety of policy discussions that seek to ensure grazing activities 
are not only maintained on public lands, but used to support and create 
positive land management outcomes. NCBA is the nation's oldest and 
largest trade association representing American cattle producers, 
representing nearly 150,000 cattle producer-members through both direct 
membership and 44 state affiliate associations is dedicated to 
supporting the needs and rights of ranchers across the country. ASI 
represents more than 100,000 sheep ranchers across the United States 
who produce lamb and wool.

    Across the country, livestock producers are engaged in careful 
stewardship of natural resources, not only because their businesses 
depend upon it, but also because today's work is a continuation of a 
generations of responsible, proactive conservation. In the West, this 
ethos extends to ranchers' management of public grazing lands, 
encompassing millions of acres that thrive under the watchful eye of 
experienced ranchers.

    The current regulatory framework imposes significant requirements 
on grazing permittees, and these management requirements are often 
hampered by inefficient agency processes. As partners to federal land 
management agencies like the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and U.S. 
Forest Service (USFS), grazing permittees need to be able to take 
immediate action to address challenges as they arise, rather than 
waiting for an often lengthy approval process. This is especially true 
when it comes to making necessary range improvements. These 
improvements, such as fixing fences, maintaining wells, and upgrading 
water pipelines, are incorporated as permittees' responsibilities as 
part of their grazing permit. All too often, however, approval of that 
basic work is delayed by agency process.

    H.R. 6441 addresses this issue by allowing permit holders to make 
minor range improvements without the need for renegotiation of their 
underlying permit, provided they notify the appropriate USFS or BLM 
official. If the appropriate official does not respond within 30 days, 
the permittee can move forward with the necessary work. Additionally, 
the bill requires the Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of the 
Interior to respond to larger improvement requests within a similarly 
expedited timeframe, utilizing all available administrative tools to 
facilitate the necessary work.
    By setting expectations for timely response to permittees, this 
bill supports permittees' role as stewards of these Western landscapes 
and ensures the agencies don't stand in the way of important range 
management. We urge the Committee to move swiftly to consider and pass 
H.R. 6441.

    Thank you for your attention to this critical matter. We appreciate 
your support for America's grazing permittees and their generational 
investments in our nation's public lands.

            Sincerely,

        Public Lands Council          National Cattlemen's Beef 
                                        Association

        American Sheep Industry 
          Association

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  Public Lands Council  National Cattlemen's Beef Association 
                                

                  American Sheep Industry Association

                                              November 18, 2024    

Hon. Tom Tiffany, Chairman
Hon. Joe Neguse, Ranking Member
Committee on Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Federal Lands
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Chairman Tiffany and Ranking Member Neguse:

    We write to express our full support for Representative LaMalfa's 
bill, H.R. 7666, that would emphasize the use of livestock grazing to 
reduce the significant risk of catastrophic wildfire. As we reach the 
end of another significant fire year, now is the time to provide 
meaningful direction to federal agencies to utilize all tools and 
partnerships to mitigate the damage that wildfire imposes on the 
landscape.
    The Public Lands Council (PLC) represents cattle and sheep 
producers across the West who hold approximately 22,000 grazing permits 
on federal lands. Together with our 14 state affiliates and three 
national affiliates, PLC is dedicated to the historically-proven 
application of grazing as a land management and wildfire mitigation 
tool. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association (NCBA) represents 
nearly 26,000 direct members and 44 state cattle associations, totaling 
about 178,000 collective members across the country. Together, we urge 
the Committee's support of the bill and swift action to address the 
ever-looming threat of next year's fire season.
    Over the last several years, the United States has experienced 
several of the most severe wildfire seasons on record. Year after year, 
the West sees fires burn hotter, longer, and more intensely as a result 
of repeated misuse of available tools and poor prioritization of 
strategic assets. While the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) manages most of 
the acres most affected by the worst fires, the agency has repeatedly 
failed to meaningfully incorporate strategic grazing to improve fuel 
breaks, reduce fine fuels at scale, and target some of the most at-risk 
ecosystems. Even in USFS's most recent Wildfire Crisis Strategy from 
2022, the agency makes no mention of the role grazing can--and should--
play in the larger effort to restore a more reasonable fire matrix on 
federal lands.
    The 2020 North Complex fire in California devastated more than 
300,000 acres and produced more pollutants than all of the vehicles in 
California would produce in a full year. In 2021, the Dixie Fire burned 
a million acres in California. In 2022, an ill-fated prescribed burn in 
New Mexico triggered a nationwide reevaluation on the use of prescribed 
fire because more often than not, USFS lands are so densely vegetated 
that the risk of using good fire to prevent bad fire is unpredictable, 
at best.
    In 2023, the country got a bit of a reprieve from fire as a result 
of favorable weather conditions, but states across the West fared 
poorly in 2024. More than 782,000 acres burned in Wyoming, 1.9 million 
acres burned in Oregon, and nearly a million acres burned in 
California. To date, more than 8 million acres have burned across the 
West and even in early November, more than 480,000 acres are currently 
on fire.
    This ongoing trend underscores the need to do things differently. 
Currently, USFS considers use of grazing as a fuels management tool 
only if rangeland and grazing program staff suggest grazing on a pilot 
basis. By contrast, the agency regularly considers mowing, prescribed 
burns, and other mechanical treatments as ``first line'' tools to 
reduce the risk from fuels. This disconnect means the agency is missing 
out on the opportunity to remove billions of pounds of fine fuels that 
put these landscapes into the high-risk category.
    A 2022 study from the University of California-Davis confirmed the 
scope of the positive impacts grazing can have: grazing--regardless of 
livestock species (cattle, sheep, goats), is an effective tool to 
reduce the grasses that dry and become wildlife fuel. Because of the 
way livestock graze, they also provide a variable pattern of fuels 
densities. This creates a natural fire break that changes fire behavior 
and makes fires less intense and the resulting damage less severe. 
Cattle grazing has the unique additional advantage of slowing woody 
shrub and tree encroachment into grassland ecosystems, which has a host 
of benefits not only for mitigating future fire risk posed by dense 
shrub stands.
    H.R. 7666 also addresses the benefits of applying grazing to the 
landscape after fire burns. Generally, USFS and the Bureau of Land 
Management are reluctant to resume grazing activities or use grazing as 
a management tool after fire, because they take a hands-off approach in 
most fire scenarios. All uses are precluded from the burned area with 
the goal of allowing the land time to recover, but unfortunately this 
approach has contributed to the widespread establishment of invasive 
annual grasses and lost opportunity to turn over topsoil and 
incorporate important organic matter. The bulk of scientific literature 
demonstrates that recovery of burned rangeland is not adversely 
affected by grazing. Likewise for grasslands, deferment of grazing for 
one or two years was not supported by science, as the grassland 
recovery occurred at the same rate through managed grazing and careful 
monitoring of timing.
    Over the last 50 years, the number of livestock authorized to graze 
on federal lands has been significantly diminished, while the size, 
intensity, and frequency of fires has continued to increase. Ensuring 
that land management agencies and local communities have all available 
tools at their disposal--particularly tools that are proven to be 
successful--is key if we are ever going to truly stem the tide of fire 
devastation.

    Just last year, Dr. Dave Daley, a respected leader within the 
California Cattlemen's Association, Public Lands Council, and National 
Cattlemen's Beef Association, emphasized the critical role of grazing 
in bolstering wildfire resilience during his testimony before your 
committee. His plea highlights the urgent need for comprehensive land 
management approaches, prioritizing post-fire operations, fuel breaks, 
and rectifying past mismanagement. As Dr. Daley aptly stated:

        ``. . . wildfire resilience practices such as livestock grazing 
        work, and confronted with the very real threat of worsening 
        wildfire conditions, there ought to be bipartisan consensus 
        endorsing these effective tools.''

    We wholeheartedly support this bill and urge its swift passage. 
Thank you for your attention to this matter, and we look forward to 
seeing progress on this important issue.

            Sincerely,

        Public Lands Council          National Cattlemen's Beef 
                                        Association

        American Sheep Industry 
          Association

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  Public Lands Council  National Cattlemen's Beef Association 
                                

                  American Sheep Industry Association

                                              November 18, 2024    

Hon. Tom Tiffany, Chairman
Hon. Joe Neguse, Ranking Member
Committee on Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Federal Lands
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Chairman Tiffany and Ranking Member Neguse:

    We write to express our full support for Representative Curtis's 
bill, the Operational Flexibility Grazing Management Program Act (H.R. 
9062). Livestock grazing permittees are the lynchpin of public land 
management and play a pivotal role in the stability of rural economies. 
Public lands grazing permittees pay careful attention to the ecosystem 
health and needs of the resources when they manage their cattle and 
sheep, and apply the same attention and care to management of their 
public lands grazing allotments. The Public Lands Council (PLC) is the 
national association dedicated to representing these permittees, 
dedicated to promoting the unique rights and interests of cattle and 
sheep producers who hold the approximately 22,000 federal grazing 
permits on public lands across the West.

    Together with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the U.S. 
Forest Service (USFS), cattle and sheep permittees manage more than 200 
million acres across the West. Their presence on the landscape and 
attentive management has created grazing lands that are resilient to 
drought, wildfire, pests, and able to withstand increasing demands from 
varied multiple uses. In some cases, however, this attentive management 
is inappropriately constrained by a long list of federal requirements 
that while originally well-intentioned, have become barriers to good 
management practices.

    Livestock grazing on federal land is highly regulated under the 
National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), Federal Land Policy and 
Management Act (FLPMA), Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act, and 
many other regulations and guidance documents that together form the 
litany of regulatory requirements to which livestock producers must 
adhere. Permittees' management is evaluated on an annual basis as part 
of complying with the terms of their grazing permits and often, 
management adjustments are made to ensure that grazing activities 
support healthy rangelands and ecological conditions.

    Unfortunately, sometimes permittees' ability to make these 
adjustments swiftly, or at all, is limited by the permits themselves. 
In some cases, permits have been drafted to include overly prescriptive 
language about on/off dates to allotments, timing and utilization of 
pasture and forage resources, and other details that should be 
addressed in the annual use planning discussions that occur between the 
permittee and their agency partner. Making adjustments to any of these 
factors currently requires incredibly onerous NEPA, changes to grazing 
permits that often require lengthy FLPMA processes, and result in 
permits that are equally restrictive to a new set of stringent 
management requirements.

    This bill would provide a facility for permittees and their agency 
partners to act much more quickly when the need to make changes 
inevitably arises. This bill will allow for permittees to adjust 
grazing rotations across pastures that may have received differing 
levels of precipitation. Language in this bill would provide for an 
extension--or reduction--in the number of days grazed on an allotment 
if there was too much or not enough forage. Permittees need the 
flexibility to make prompt management decisions to mitigate conflicts 
with recreation, fire, drought, and all kinds of factors. H.R. 9062 
will provide them that flexibility and enshrines in law the need for 
adaptive management to be viewed favorably by the law.

    Permittees should be encouraged to be proactive in making 
management changes for the benefit of the resource and overall land 
management--and supported by their federal agency partners in doing so. 
Federal requirements should not be a barrier to making the best of 
their management goals. Equally, Federal agencies have been plagued by 
regulatory barriers to updating their own regulations to provide this 
flexibility, so we thank Congressman John Curtis for introducing this 
bill and emphasizing permittees' ability to be leaders in land health. 
Permittees are dedicated to the landscapes they manage this bill gives 
the agencies the ability to be better partners to ranchers to allow 
both parts of the partnership to work toward the same goal: optimized 
landscape health and resiliency.
    Representative Curtis and other grazing stakeholders see the 
incredible opportunity to provide the kind of long-term flexibility and 
adaptive management that so often is constrained by unnecessary 
bureaucratic process. We thank Representative Curtis for his support 
and urge swift passage of H.R. 9062.

            Sincerely,

        Public Lands Council          National Cattlemen's Beef 
                                        Association

        American Sheep Industry 
          Association

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