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 OVERSIGHT AND EXAMINATION OF RAILROAD GRADE CROSSING ELIMINATION AND 
                                 SAFETY

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                                (118-43)

                                HEARING

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                 SUBCOMMITTEE ON RAILROADS, PIPELINES,
                        AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

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                   TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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             COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

  Sam Graves, Missouri, Chairman
 Rick Larsen, Washington, Ranking 
              Member
Eleanor Holmes Norton,               Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford, 
  District of Columbia               Arkansas
Grace F. Napolitano, California      Daniel Webster, Florida
Steve Cohen, Tennessee               Thomas Massie, Kentucky
John Garamendi, California           Scott Perry, Pennsylvania
Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr., Georgiaian Babin, Texas
Andre Carson, Indiana                Garret Graves, Louisiana
Dina Titus, Nevada                   David Rouzer, North Carolina
Jared Huffman, California            Mike Bost, Illinois
Julia Brownley, California           Doug LaMalfa, California
Frederica S. Wilson, Florida         Bruce Westerman, Arkansas
Donald M. Payne, Jr., New Jersey     Brian J. Mast, Florida
Mark DeSaulnier, California          Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon,
Salud O. Carbajal, California          Puerto Rico
Greg Stanton, Arizona,               Pete Stauber, Minnesota
  Vice Ranking Member                Tim Burchett, Tennessee
Colin Z. Allred, Texas               Dusty Johnson, South Dakota
Sharice Davids, Kansas               Jefferson Van Drew, New Jersey,
Jesus G. ``Chuy'' Garcia, Illinois     Vice Chairman
Chris Pappas, New Hampshire          Troy E. Nehls, Texas
Seth Moulton, Massachusetts          Tracey Mann, Kansas
Jake Auchincloss, Massachusetts      Burgess Owens, Utah
Marilyn Strickland, Washington       Rudy Yakym III, Indiana
Troy A. Carter, Louisiana            Lori Chavez-DeRemer, Oregon
Patrick Ryan, New York               Thomas H. Kean, Jr., New Jersey
Mary Sattler Peltola, Alaska         Anthony D'Esposito, New York
Robert Menendez, New Jersey          Eric Burlison, Missouri
Val T. Hoyle, Oregon                 John James, Michigan
Emilia Strong Sykes, Ohio            Derrick Van Orden, Wisconsin
Hillary J. Scholten, Michigan        Brandon Williams, New York
Valerie P. Foushee, North Carolina   Marcus J. Molinaro, New York
                                     Mike Collins, Georgia
                                     Mike Ezell, Mississippi
                                     John S. Duarte, California
                                     Aaron Bean, Florida
                                     Celeste Maloy, Utah
                                     Vacancy

     Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials

  Troy E. Nehls, Texas, Chairman
Donald M. Payne, Jr., New Jersey, 
          Ranking Member
Frederica S. Wilson, Florida         Brian Babin, Texas
Seth Moulton, Massachusetts          David Rouzer, North Carolina
Troy A. Carter, Louisiana            Mike Bost, Illinois
Andre Carson, Indiana                Doug LaMalfa, California
Mark DeSaulnier, California          Bruce Westerman, Arkansas
Marilyn Strickland, Washington       Pete Stauber, Minnesota
Valerie P. Foushee, North Carolina,  Tim Burchett, Tennessee
  Vice Ranking Member                Dusty Johnson, South Dakota
Grace F. Napolitano, California      Tracey Mann, Kansas
Steve Cohen, Tennessee               Rudy Yakym III, Indiana
Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr., Georgiaomas H. Kean, Jr., New Jersey
Jared Huffman, California            Eric Burlison, Missouri
Jesus G. ``Chuy'' Garcia, Illinois   Brandon Williams, New York,
Robert Menendez, New Jersey            Vice Chairman
Rick Larsen, Washington (Ex Officio) Marcus J. Molinaro, New York
                                     John S. Duarte, California
                                     Vacancy
                                     Sam Graves, Missouri (Ex Officio)



                                CONTENTS

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Summary of Subject Matter........................................   vii

                 STATEMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE

Hon. Troy E. Nehls, a Representative in Congress from the State 
  of Texas, and Chairman, Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, 
  and Hazardous Materials, opening statement.....................     1
    Prepared statement...........................................     2
Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of New Jersey, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on 
  Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials, opening 
  statement......................................................     3
    Prepared statement...........................................     4
Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Washington, and Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and 
  Infrastructure, opening statement..............................    30
    Prepared statement...........................................    32

                               WITNESSES

Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad Administration, 
  oral statement.................................................    34
    Prepared statement...........................................    35
Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National Transportation Safety 
  Board, oral statement..........................................    37
    Prepared statement...........................................    38
Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive Officer, Association 
  of American Railroads, oral statement..........................    48
    Prepared statement...........................................    49
Hon. Michael J. Smith, Commissioner, Indiana Department of 
  Transportation, oral statement.................................    54
    Prepared statement...........................................    56

                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Submissions for the Record by Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.:
    Letter of January 16, 2024, to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and 
      Hon. Rick Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on 
      Transportation and Infrastructure, and Hon. Troy E. Nehls, 
      Chairman, and Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr., Ranking Member, 
      Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous 
      Materials, from Clarence E. Anthony, Chief Executive 
      Officer and Executive Director, National League of Cities..     5
    Article entitled, `` `Hurry Up and Get It Done': Norfolk 
      Southern Set Railcar Safety Checks at One Minute,'' by 
      Esther Fung, Kris Maher, and Paul Berger, Wall Street 
      Journal, March 30, 2023....................................     6
    Article entitled, `` `Do Your Job.' How the Railroad Industry 
      Intimidates Employees Into Putting Speed Before Safety,'' 
      by Topher Sanders, Jessica Lussenhop, Dan Schwartz, Danelle 
      Morton, and Gabriel Sandoval, ProPublica, November 15, 2023    10
    Article entitled, ``When Railroad Workers Get Hurt on the 
      Job, Some Supervisors Go to Extremes to Keep It Quiet,'' by 
      Topher Sanders, Dan Schwartz, Danelle Morton, Gabriel 
      Sandoval, and Jessica Lussenhop, ProPublica, December 16, 
      2023.......................................................    17
    Article entitled, ``It Looks Like the Railroad Is Asking for 
      You To Say Thank You,'' by Jessica Lussenhop and Topher 
      Sanders, ProPublica, December 19, 2023.....................    25
Letter of September 30, 2021, to Hon. Pete Buttigieg, Secretary, 
  U.S. Department of Transportation, from Hon. Jennifer L. 
  Homendy, Chair, National Transportation Safety Board, Submitted 
  for the Record by Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy.....................    46
Statement of Chuck Baker, President, American Short Line and 
  Regional Railroad Association, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
  Troy E. Nehls..................................................    80

                                APPENDIX

Questions to Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
  Administration, from:
    Hon. Troy E. Nehls...........................................    97
    Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.....................................   105
    Hon. David Rouzer............................................   112
    Hon. Steve Cohen.............................................   113
Question to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National 
  Transportation Safety Board, from:
    Hon. Troy E. Nehls...........................................   113
    Hon. David Rouzer............................................   114
    Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.....................................   115
Questions to Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive 
  Officer, Association of American Railroads, from:
    Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.....................................   117
    Hon. David Rouzer............................................   118
    Hon. Steve Cohen.............................................   119
Questions to Hon. Michael J. Smith, Commissioner, Indiana 
  Department of Transportation, from:
    Hon. Troy E. Nehls...........................................   120
    Hon. Andre Carson............................................   121




                            January 12, 2024

    SUMMARY OF SUBJECT MATTER

    TO:      LMembers, Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, 
and Hazardous Materials
    FROM:  LStaff, Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and 
Hazardous Materials
    RE:      LSubcommittee Hearing on ``Oversight and 
Examination of Railroad Grade Crossing Elimination and Safety''
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                               I. PURPOSE

    The Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous 
Materials of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 
will meet on Thursday, January 18, 2024, at 10:00 a.m. ET in 
2167 Rayburn House Office Building to receive testimony at a 
hearing entitled, ``Oversight and Examination of Railroad Grade 
Crossing Elimination and Safety.'' Members will receive 
testimony from the Honorable Amit Bose, Administrator of the 
Federal Railroad Administration (FRA); the Honorable Jennifer 
Homendy, Chair, National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB); 
Mr. Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) 
of the Association of American Railroads (AAR); and the 
Honorable Michael Smith, Commissioner of the Indiana Department 
of Transportation.

                             II. BACKGROUND

    Highway-rail grade crossings occur where a railroad track 
intersects with a road at the same level.\1\ According to the 
FRA, roughly 212,000 highway-rail grade crossings exist in the 
United States.\2\ More than 400 trespass fatalities, which 
include suicides and other trespasser incidents not at grade 
crossings, occur on railroad rights-of-way each year in the 
United States, which account for 94 percent of railroad-related 
injuries and deaths annually.\3\ In 2022, there were more than 
2,000 highway-rail crossing collisions.\4\
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    \1\ United States Dep't of Transp., FRA, Highway-Rail Grade 
Crossing and Trespassing Research, (last updated Dec. 21, 2022), 
available at https://railroads.dot.gov/research-
development/program-areas/highway-rail-grade-crossing/highway-rail-
grade-crossingand#::text
=Highway%2Drail%20grade%20crossings%20are,the%20United%20States'%20railr
oad
%20system.
    \2\ Id.
    \3\ Id.
    \4\ Press Release, United States Dep't of Transp., FRA, Biden-
Harris Administration Announces Funding for 63 Projects in 32 States 
That Will Help Reduce Train-Vehicle Collisions and Blocked Rail 
Crossings in the U.S., (June 5, 2023), available at https://
www.transportation.gov/
briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-announces-funding-63-
projects-32-states-will-help
reduce#::text=%E2%80%9CEvery%20year%2C%20commuters%2C%20residents,U.S.%
20
Transportation%20Secretary%20Pete%20Buttigieg [hereinafter Funding 
Projects].
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    Given that trains can require over a mile to stop, safety 
and warning devices at grade crossings exist to protect 
motorists, rail employees, rail communities, and where 
applicable, rail passengers.\5\ Freight railroads, which own 
most of the railroad tracks in America, invest in grade 
crossing upgrades, eliminations, maintenance, safety, 
education, and technologies.\6\ The Federal Government, as well 
as state and local governments also invest in grade crossing 
improvements as outlined below. According to the FRA, the rail 
industry has made significant efforts to improve safety, 
leading to the rate of rail-related accidents and incidents 
falling by 82 percent over the last 40 years.\7\ However, the 
number of grade crossing and trespassing incidents have 
increased over the last decade, by one percent and 35 percent, 
respectively, despite reduced motor vehicle and train traffic 
in 2020 due to COVID-19.\8\
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    \5\ Tracking Toward Zero: Improving Grade Crossing Safety and 
Addressing Community Concerns, Hearing Before the Subcomm. on 
Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials of the H. Comm. on 
Transp. and Infrastructure, 116th Cong. (Feb. 5. 2020) (statement of 
Rachel Maleh, Executive Director, Operation Lifesaver, Inc.).
    \6\ Id. (statement of Jason M. Morris, Asst. VP, Norfolk Southern 
Corporation).
    \7\ FRA, Budget Estimates Fiscal Year 2023, (2023) available at 
https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-03/FRA-Budget-
Estimates-FY23.pdf.
    \8\ Id.
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                  III. RELEVANT FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS

    There are multiple Federal grant programs that provide 
funding and support to improve or eliminate highway-rail grade 
crossings, or where these projects are eligible for funding. 
These include:
     LThe Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) Grant 
Program, administered by the FRA;
     LThe Consolidated Railroad Infrastructure and 
Safety Improvement (CRISI) Program, administered by the 
Department of Transportation (DOT);
     LThe ``Section 130'' Program, administered by the 
Federal Highway Administration (FHWA);
     LNationally Significant Multimodal Freight and 
Highways Projects grants program (INFRA), administered by DOT;
     LThe Rebuilding American Infrastructure with 
Sustainability and Equity (RAISE) discretionary grant program, 
(formerly TIGER and BUILD), administered by DOT;
     LRural Surface Transportation Grants (Rural), 
administered by DOT; and
     LNational Infrastructure Project Assistance 
Program (Mega Program), administered by DOT.

RAILROAD CROSSING ELIMINATION (RCE) PROGRAM

    The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) (P.L. 
117-58) authorized $600 million in annual advanced 
appropriations over five years (totaling $3 billion) to create 
a new RCE Program to address safety concerns at highway-rail or 
pathway-rail grade crossings Nationwide.\9\ The grant program 
applies to projects that would separate or close grade 
crossings; would relocate tracks, install or improve protective 
or preventive measures at crossings such as signs or signals; 
and fund planning and designs for eligible projects.\10\ 
Eligible recipients include states, United States territories, 
Indian Tribes, local governments, port authorities, and 
metropolitan planning organizations.\11\
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    \9\ IIJA, Pub. L. No. 117-58, Sec. 22305, 135 Stat. 695.
    \10\ DOT, FRA, Railroad Crossing Elimination Program, (last updated 
Oct. 2, 2023), available at https://railroads.dot.gov/grants-loans/
competitive-discretionary-grant-programs/railroad-crossing-elimination-
grant-program.
    \11\ Id.
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    In December 2023, FRA awarded over $570 million in fiscal 
year (FY) 2022 funds to eligible projects under the RCE 
program.\12\ IIJA stipulates that at least 20 percent of 
available grant funds ($114.6 million) are made available for 
rural and tribal land projects.\13\ Of this 20 percent set 
aside, five percent of the total funding is made available for 
projects in counties with 20 or fewer residents per square 
mile.\14\ The Federal cost share for these grants is no more 
than 80 percent of total project costs.\15\ FRA has not yet 
issued a notice of funding opportunity (NOFO) for this program 
for FY 2023 funding. While FY 2023 has ended, FRA is still able 
to award FY 2023 funding given the appropriation is available 
for obligation for an indefinite period.\16\
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    \12\ Funding Projects, supra note 4.
    \13\ DOT, FRA, Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) Grant Program, 
(last updated Dec. 4, 2023), available at https://railroads.dot.gov/
grants-loans/competitive-discretionary-grant-programs/railroad-
crossing-elimination-grant-program.
    \14\ Funding Projects, supra note 4.
    \15\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 696.
    \16\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 1436.
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THE CONSOLIDATED RAIL INFRASTRUCTURE AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS (CRISI) 
                    GRANT PROGRAM

    The Fixing America's Surface Transportation (FAST) Act of 
2015 (P.L. 114-94) first authorized the CRISI program to 
provide discretionary grants for a wide range of projects that 
improve passenger and freight rail transportation in terms of 
safety, efficiency, or reliability, including grade crossing 
improvement projects.\17\ Eligible recipients include states, 
an interstate compact, public agencies, Indian Tribes, Amtrak, 
Class II and Class III railroads, additional rail carriers or 
equipment manufacturers in partnership with a public applicant, 
the Transportation Research Board, universities, and non-profit 
labor organizations.\18\
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    \17\ FAST Act of 2015, Pub. L. No. 114-94, Sec. 11301, 129 Stat. 
1644.
    \18\ Id.
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    Grade crossing improvement projects may include repair, 
installation, or improvement of grade separations, railroad 
crossing signals, gates, and related technologies, approach 
signage, roadway improvements, railroad crossing panels and 
surfaces, and safety engineering projects to reduce risk in 
quiet zones or potential quiet zones.\19\ The FAST Act of 2015 
allows for up to 80 percent Federal cost share and that at 
least 25 percent of available funding be for projects in rural 
areas.\20\
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    \19\ Id.
    \20\ Id.
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    IIJA authorized $5 billion in advanced appropriations for 
CRISI over five years, and in September 2023, FRA awarded $1.4 
billion for eligible CRISI projects for FY 2022 funding.\21\ A 
NOFO has not yet been issued for FY 2023 funding. While FY 2023 
has ended, FRA is still able to award FY 2023 funding given the 
appropriation is available for obligation for an indefinite 
period.\22\
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    \21\ Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Announces $1.4 
Billion in Infrastructure Funding for 70 Projects That Will Improve 
Rail Safety, Strengthen Supply Chains, and Add Passenger Rail Service, 
(Sept. 25, 2023), available at https://railroads.dot.gov/about-fra/
communications/newsroom/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-
announces-14-billion-0.
    \22\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 1432.
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SECTION 130 PROGRAM

    The Railway Highway Crossing Program (RHCP), also known as 
the ``Section 130'' Program, is administered by FHWA and 
provides funds by formula to state departments of 
transportation for safety improvements that reduce fatalities, 
injuries, and crashes at grade crossings.\23\ These projects 
may include grade crossing separation, protection, 
reconstruction, hazard elimination, and relocation of highways 
to eliminate grade crossings.\24\ The Section 130 Program is 
funded through annual set-asides from the Highway Safety 
Improvement Program and is apportioned based on the ratio of 
public railway-highway crossings in the state to public 
railway-highway crossings in all states and based on the 
statutory formula under 23 U.S.C. Sec.  104.\25\
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    \23\ Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation Assistance Act 
of 1987, Pub. L. No. 100-17, Sec. 121, 101 Stat. 159, codified at 23 
U.S.C. Sec.  130.
    \24\ 23 U.S.C. Sec.  130.
    \25\ Id.; see also DOT, FRA, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, 
Railway-Highway Crossings Program (RHCP), (last updated Apr. 9, 2022), 
available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/
bipartisan-infrastructure-law/
rhcp.cfm?_gl=1*zmkx7i*_ga*MTI3OTkwMjY1OC4xNjgwMTg3N
Tgz*_ga_VW1SFWJKBB*MTcwNDM5NjQ0OS4yLjEuMTcwNDM5ODA3MS4wLjAuMA.
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    IIJA includes $245 million annually for FY 2022 through FY 
2026 for the Section 130 program, increased the Federal share 
of projects funded through this set-aside from 90 to 100 
percent, allows the funds to be used for trespasser prevention 
projects, and required both a DOT and a Government 
Accountability Office (GAO) report on the effectiveness of the 
program.\26\
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    \26\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 461.
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THE REBUILDING AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND EQUITY 
                    (RAISE) GRANT PROGRAM

    RAISE is a DOT discretionary grant program for surface 
transportation projects whose objectives include investing in 
projects that will have a significant regional or local impact, 
and support DOT strategic goals to improve safety, economic 
efficiency and global competitiveness, reduce disparities, and 
achieve environmental objectives.\27\ Eligible applicants 
include states, local governments, port authorities, and 
metropolitan planning organizations, among others.\28\ IIJA 
authorized advanced appropriations for RAISE grants of $1.5 
billion annually for FY 2022 to FY 2026.\29\
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    \27\ DOT, Off. of the Sec'y, Notice of Funding Opportunity for 
Fiscal Year 2024, Rebuilding American Infrastructure with 
Sustainability and Equity (RAISE) Grants, https://
www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2023-11/
RAISE%202024%20NOFO%2011.30.23_0.pdf [hereinafter RAISE Grants]; see 
also IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 663.
    \28\ RAISE Grants, supra note 25.
    \29\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 675.
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    In 2023, the RAISE program issued over $2.2 billion in 
awards for eligible projects, including several grants for 
highway-railway grade separation projects.\30\ DOT released the 
NOFO for FY 2024 RAISE grants in November 2023, with 
applications closing February 2024, and an estimated $1.5 
billion in funding availability.\31\
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    \30\ Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Announces 
Funding for 162 Community-Led Infrastructure Projects as Part of the 
Investing in America Agenda, (June 28, 2023), available at https://
www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-
announces-funding-162-community-led-infrastructure; see also DOT, Off. 
of the Sec'y, RAISE 2023 Fact Sheets, available at https://
www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2023-06/RAISE%2020
23%20Fact%20Sheets_2.pdf.
    \31\ Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Announces $1.5 
Billion Available through the 2024 RAISE Grant Program, (Nov. 30, 
2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/RAISEgrants.
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THE NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT MULTIMODAL FREIGHT & HIGHWAY PROJECTS 
                    PROGRAM (INFRA)

    The INFRA program was established by the FAST Act of 2015 
and awards competitive grants for multimodal freight and 
highway projects of National or regional significance to 
improve the safety, efficiency, and reliability of the movement 
of freight and people.\32\ Eligible applicants include states, 
local governments, tribal governments, and special purpose 
districts, among others.\33\ Among the eligible activities for 
INFRA grants are highway-railroad crossings or grade separation 
projects.\34\
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    \32\ DOT, The INFRA Grant Program, (last updated June 27, 2023), 
available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/infra-grant-program 
[hereinafter INFRA Grants]; see also The Fixing America's Surface 
Transportation (FAST) Act of 2015, Pub. L. No. 114-94, Sec. 1105, 129 
Stat. 1332.
    \33\ INFRA Grants, supra note 30.
    \34\ Id.
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    IIJA authorized up to $8 billion for INFRA over the period 
of FY 2022 through FY 2026.\35\ In FY 2022, DOT awarded 
approximately $1.5 billion to freight and highway 
infrastructure projects.\36\ DOT has consolidated the INFRA 
grant program into a single notice of funding opportunity with 
the National Infrastructure Project Assistance grants program 
(Mega) and the Rural Surface Transportation Grant program 
(Rural), described below.\37\ This combined NOFO is known as 
the Multimodal Project Discretionary Grant Opportunity (MPDG) 
and allows applicants to apply through one application and a 
common set of criteria.\38\ DOT issued a NOFO for the MPDG in 
June 2023, anticipating the MPDG will award between $5.45 
billion and $5.75 billion from FY 2023 and FY 2024 funding, 
including between $3 billion and $3.1 billion for INFRA.\39\ 
The next round of awards for INFRA are expected to be released 
early this year.\40\
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    \35\ Notice of Funding Opportunity for the Department of 
Transportation's Multimodal Project Discretionary Grant Opportunity, 87 
Fed. Reg. 17108, (Mar. 25, 2023), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/
content/pkg/FR-2023-06-30/pdf/2023-13939.pdf.
    \36\ Tom Ichniowski, US DOT Picks Winners for $1.5B in INFRA 
Grants, Engineering News Record, (Sept. 15, 2022), available at https:/
/www.enr.com/articles/54806-us-dot-picks-winners-for-15b-in-infra-
grants.
    \37\ DOT, FRA, Competitive Discretionary Grant Programs, (last 
updated Dec. 11, 2023), available at https://railroads.dot.gov/grants-
loans/competitive-discretionary-grant-programs/competitive-
discretionary-grant-programs; see multimodal projects discretionary 
grant program.
    \38\ DOT, Off. of the Sec'y, NOFO for the DOT FY 2023-2024 MPDG, 
(last updated June 26, 2023), available at https://
www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2023-06/MPDG%20NOFO
%202023-2024%20Final_0.pdf [hereinafter MPDG NOFO].
    \39\ Id.
    \40\ Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Announces $645 
million to Help Meet Rural Transportation and Mobility Needs, (Dec. 14, 
2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/mpdg-program 
[hereinafter Rural Transportation].
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RURAL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION GRANT PROGRAM (RURAL)

    Rural is a DOT discretionary grant program which improves 
and expands surface transportation infrastructure in rural 
areas to increase connectivity, improve the safety and 
reliability of the movement of people and freight, and generate 
regional economic growth and improve quality of life.\41\ This 
program may fund highway-railway grade separation and 
elimination projects, in addition to highway-rail grade 
crossing improvement projects.\42\ Rural grants were included 
in the June 2023 MPDG NOFO along with INFRA and Mega grants. 
DOT announced FY 2023-2024 funding awards for Rural of $645.3 
million.\43\
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    \41\ DOT, The Rural Surface Transportation Program, (last updated 
Dec. 12, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/
rural-surface-transportation-grant-program.
    \42\ Id.; see also Rural Transportation, supra note 38.
    \43\ Rural Transportation, supra note 38; see also DOT, Rural 
Surface Transportation Grant Awards FY 2023-2024, (last updated Dec. 
13, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/rural-
surface-transportation-grant/rural-surface-transportation-program-2023-
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THE NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (MEGA PROGRAM)

    The Mega Program was authorized by IIJA and supports large, 
complex projects that are difficult to fund by other means and 
will likely generate National or regional economic, mobility, 
or safety benefits.\44\ Eligible applicants include states, 
metropolitan planning organizations, local governments, 
political subdivisions, special purpose districts or 
authorities, tribal governments, a partnership between Amtrak 
and one or more these preceding entities, and a group of these 
entities.\45\ Eligible projects include highway, bridge, and 
other projects on the National multimodal, freight, or highway 
networks, and other projects, including a railway-highway grade 
separation or elimination project, or any freight rail project 
that provides a public benefit.\46\ The Mega grants also 
utilize the DOT consolidated MPDG NOFO, along with INFRA and 
Rural grants.\47\ In January 2023, DOT awarded $1.2 billion in 
funding for FY 2022 Mega grants.\48\ The FY 2023 Mega grant 
awards are expected to be issued early this year.\49\
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    \44\ IIJA, supra note 9, at 135 Stat. 663.
    \45\ Id.
    \46\ Id.
    \47\ MPDG NOFO, supra note 36.
    \48\ Press Release, DOT, President Biden Announces First of its 
Kind Infrastructure Investment for Nine Nationally Significant Mega 
Projects, (Jan. 31, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/
briefing-room/president-biden-announces-first-its-kind-infrastructure-
investment-nine-nationally.
    \49\ Rural Transportation, supra note 38.
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                            IV. WITNESS LIST

     LHon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
Administration
     LHon. Jennifer Homendy, Chair, National 
Transportation Safety Board
     LMr. Ian Jefferies, President and CEO, Association 
of American Railroads
     LHon. Michael Smith, Commissioner, Indiana 
Department of Transportation


 OVERSIGHT AND EXAMINATION OF RAILROAD GRADE CROSSING ELIMINATION AND 
                                 SAFETY

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                       THURSDAY, JANUARY 18, 2024

                  House of Representatives,
Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous 
                                         Materials,
            Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10 a.m. in room 
2167 Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Troy E. Nehls 
(Chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
    Mr. Nehls. The Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and 
Hazardous Materials will come to order.
    I would ask everybody to please stand.
    Congressman Yakym, if you would, lead us in the Pledge of 
Allegiance.
    [The Pledge of Allegiance was made.]
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    I ask unanimous consent that the chairman be authorized to 
declare a recess at any time during today's hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the Members not on the 
subcommittee be permitted to sit with the subcommittee at 
today's hearing and ask questions.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    As a reminder, if Members wish to insert a document into 
the record, please also email it to [email protected].
    I now recognize myself for the purpose of an opening 
statement for 5 minutes.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TROY E. NEHLS OF TEXAS, CHAIRMAN, 
 SUBCOMMITTEE ON RAILROADS, PIPELINES, AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

    Mr. Nehls. Today's hearing examines highway-railroad grade 
crossing eliminations and safety improvements.
    There are approximately 212,000 highway-rail grade 
crossings in the United States. In 2022, there were over 2,000 
accidents at grade crossings, 2,000 of them in 2022. Grade 
crossing accidents and fatalities are entirely preventable. We 
shouldn't have any.
    States make the determination when it comes to addressing 
grade crossings, including weighing safety, railroad, and 
vehicle traffic considerations. Eliminating a rail crossing, 
where necessary and possible, eliminates the potential for a 
grade crossing incident.
    The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, IIJA, created a 
new grant program, known as the Railroad Crossing Elimination 
Grant Program, meant to help States and communities with grade 
crossing elimination and safety.
    The program received a total of $3 billion over 5 years, or 
roughly $600 million per year. In fiscal year 2022, the Federal 
Railroad Administration awarded $570 million in Railroad 
Crossing Elimination Grants to projects in 32 States that 
addressed over 400 at-grade crossings, and my home State of 
Texas received roughly $86 million for 5 major grade crossing 
projects.
    It is expected that FRA will announce a Notice of Funding 
Opportunity soon, seeking applications for more grade crossing 
improvement projects; I applaud that.
    We must ensure this process is transparent, easy to 
navigate, and that the money is accessible for all communities. 
It is my hope that the FRA will work with Congress to achieve 
these goals while properly overseeing this new grant program.
    Further, with the next surface transportation 
reauthorization fast approaching, it is time to begin examining 
these programs to understand what is working, what is working 
with them, the right levels of funding, and how to build on 
existing grade crossing elimination and safety efforts such as 
Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program.
    I look forward to hearing the testimony of our witnesses 
today, and specifically I am interested in learning about how 
existing programs can be improved, the resources that States 
and communities need, and how we can reduce Government redtape 
to make these funds more accessible and the process less 
complicated.
    [Mr. Nehls' prepared statement follows:]

                                 
Prepared Statement of Hon. Troy E. Nehls, a Representative in Congress 
   from the State of Texas, and Chairman, Subcommittee on Railroads, 
                   Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials
    Today's hearing examines highway-railroad grade crossing 
eliminations and safety improvements.
    There are approximately 212,000 highway-rail grade crossings in the 
United States. In 2022, there were over 2,000 accidents at grade 
crossings.
    Grade crossing accidents and fatalities are entirely preventable. 
States make the determinations when it comes to addressing grade 
crossings, including weighing safety, railroad, and vehicle traffic 
considerations. Eliminating a rail crossing, where necessary and 
possible, eliminates the potential for a grade crossing incident.
    The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) created a new 
grant program known as the Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program 
meant to help states and communities with grade crossing elimination 
and safety.
    The program received a total of $3 billion over five years, or 
roughly $600 million per year. In Fiscal Year 2022, the Federal 
Railroad Administration (FRA) awarded $570 million in Railroad Crossing 
Elimination grants to projects in 32 states that addressed over 400 at-
grade crossings. My home state of Texas received roughly $86 million 
for five major grade crossing projects.
    It is expected that FRA will announce a notice of funding 
opportunity soon seeking applications for more grade crossing 
improvement projects.
    We must ensure this process is transparent, easy to navigate, and 
that the money is accessible for all communities. It is my hope that 
the FRA will work with Congress to achieve these goals while properly 
overseeing this new grant program.
    Further, with the next surface transportation reauthorization fast 
approaching, it is time to begin examining these programs to understand 
what's working, the right levels of funding, and how to build on 
existing grade crossing elimination and safety efforts such as the 
Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program.
    I look forward to hearing the testimony of our witnesses today, and 
specifically I am interested in learning about how existing programs 
can be improved, the resources that states and communities need, and 
how we can reduce government red tape to make these funds more 
accessible and the process less complicated.

    Mr. Nehls. I now recognize Ranking Member Payne for 5 
minutes for an opening statement.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. DONALD M. PAYNE, Jr., OF NEW JERSEY, 
   RANKING MEMBER, SUBCOMMITTEE ON RAILROADS, PIPELINES, AND 
                      HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

    Mr. Payne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank Chair 
Nehls for holding this hearing. We are long overdue to discuss 
rail safety.
    I want to thank our witnesses for being here today. I 
especially want to thank NTSB Chair Homendy for her tireless 
efforts to keep us apprised of her agency's safety 
investigations.
    I also want to thank FRA Administrator Bose for his 
increased focus on safety, and implementing billions of dollars 
in Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding.
    As trains increase in length, they block grade crossings 
nationwide. Last year, this committee saw footage from Hammond, 
Indiana, of schoolchildren forced to crawl under parked freight 
trains to get to school. It was shocking. I am pleased to see 
that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's Railroad Crossing 
Elimination Program is funding a project in Hammond that will 
eliminate one of these crossings and hopefully allow children 
to get to school safely without having to cross under railcars. 
Under railcars.
    Freight railroads carry important cargo, and what they 
transport is often essential to our daily lives. But those long 
trains can and do have accidents; ask the people of East 
Palestine, Ohio. Freight rail safety is a challenge to 
communities across the country.
    The committee received a letter this week from the National 
League of Cities imploring Congress to act on rail safety 
legislation. More than 1 in 10 cities has experienced a rail 
incident, and 64 percent of all rail incidents occurred within 
city boundaries over the last 10 years. Without comprehensive 
rail safety legislation, we continue to allow local governments 
and first responders to face the daily rail derailments, 
deaths, and delays that have left communities frustrated.
    Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent to 
insert this letter into the record.
    Mr. Nehls. Without objection.
    [The National League of Cities letter is included after Mr. 
Payne's prepared statement.]
    Mr. Payne. Since the Norfolk Southern derailment in East 
Palestine, there have been over 1,500 rail accidents, 1,500. In 
response, the FRA issued several rail safety advisories, 
including on the use and maintenance of hot bearing wayside 
detectors; how cars should be organized on a train, including 
where empty cars should be placed; concerns with train length, 
and how to prevent weather-related accidents and incidents.
    The Biden-Harris administration acted on rail safety. 
Congress should act, too.
    I am glad to see railroads and rail unions have negotiated 
sick leave, but Congress can act here, as well. I introduced 
legislation that would guarantee all freight rail workers 7 
days of paid sick leave. Not only is sick leave a basic right, 
but it also helps prevent worker fatigue.
    I am disheartened, however, that negotiations on the Class 
I railroads have stalled regarding joining the Confidential 
Close Call Reporting System. This system is meant to provide 
rail workers a safe environment to report unsafe events and 
conditions. Without it, rail workers might not report near-miss 
incidents because they are afraid of retaliation.
    The Wall Street Journal reported that employees are rushed 
on equipment inspections. This program would provide a forum 
for employees to share the information with a neutral third 
party, rather than having to ask for help in the press.
    I would like to ask for unanimous consent to insert this 
article into the record, along with three others from 
ProPublica that detail the troubling culture of minimizing 
railroad worker incidents and injuries.
    Mr. Nehls. Without objection.
    [The articles are included after Mr. Payne's prepared 
statement.]
    Mr. Payne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to 
hearing from all of our witnesses, and I yield back.
    [Mr. Payne's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
 Prepared Statement of Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr., a Representative in 
Congress from the State of New Jersey, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee 
            on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials
    I thank Chair Nehls for holding this hearing. We are long overdue 
to discuss rail safety.
    I want to thank our witnesses for being here today.
    I especially want to thank NTSB Chair Homendy for her tireless 
efforts to keep us apprised of her agency's safety investigations.
    I also want to thank FRA Administrator Bose for his increased focus 
on safety and implementing billions of dollars in Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law funding.
    As trains increase in length, they block grade crossings 
nationwide.
    Last year, this Committee saw footage from Hammond, Indiana, of 
schoolchildren forced to crawl under parked freight trains to get to 
school.
    I'm pleased to see that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's 
Railroad Crossing Elimination program is funding a project in Hammond 
that will eliminate one of these crossings and hopefully allow children 
to safely get to school.
    Freight railroads carry important cargo and what they transport is 
often essential to our daily lives, but those long trains can and do 
have accidents.
    Ask the people of East Palestine, Ohio.
    Freight rail safety is a challenge to communities across the 
country.
    The Committee received a letter this week from the National League 
of Cities imploring Congress to act on rail safety legislation.
    More than one in ten cities has experienced a rail incident and 64 
percent of all rail incidents occurred within city boundaries over the 
last 10 years.
    Without comprehensive rail safety legislation, we continue to allow 
local governments and first responders to face the daily rail 
derailments, deaths, and delays that have left communities frustrated.
    Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask unanimous consent to insert this 
letter into the record. Thank you.
    Since the Norfolk Southern derailment in East Palestine, there have 
been over 1,500 rail accidents.
    In response, the FRA issued several rail safety advisories 
including on the use and maintenance of hot bearing wayside detectors, 
how cars should be organized on a train--including where empty cars 
should be placed, concerns with train length, and how to prevent 
weather-related accidents and incidents.
    The Biden-Harris Administration acted on rail safety.
    Congress should act, too.
    I am glad to see railroads and rail unions have negotiated sick 
leave, but Congress can act here as well.
    I introduced legislation that would guarantee all freight rail 
workers seven days of paid sick leave.
    Not only is sick leave a basic right, but this also helps prevent 
worker fatigue.
    I am disheartened; however, that negotiations on the Class I 
railroads have stalled regarding joining the Confidential Close Call 
Reporting System.
    This system is meant to provide rail workers a safe environment to 
report unsafe events and conditions.
    Without it, rail workers might not report near-miss incidents 
because they are afraid of retaliation.
    The Wall Street Journal reported that employees are rushed on 
equipment inspections.
    This program would provide a forum for employees to share that 
information with a neutral third party rather than having to ask for 
help in the press.
    I would like to ask for unanimous consent to insert this article 
into the record, along with three others from ProPublica that detail a 
troubling culture of minimizing railroad worker incidents and injuries.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to hearing from all of 
our witnesses, and I yield back.

                                 
Letter of January 16, 2024, to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and Hon. Rick 
Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, 
   and Hon. Troy E. Nehls, Chairman, and Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr., 
  Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous 
   Materials, from Clarence E. Anthony, Chief Executive Officer and 
Executive Director, National League of Cities, Submitted for the Record 
                      by Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.
                                                  January 16, 2024.
The Honorable Sam Graves,
Chairman,
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, U.S. House of 
        Representatives.
The Honorable Rick Larsen,
Ranking Member,
House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
        Representatives.
The Honorable Troy Nehls,
Chairman,
Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials, House 
        Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
        Representatives.
The Honorable Donald M. Payne, Jr.,
Ranking Member,
Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials, House 
        Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
        Representatives.
    Dear Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, Chairman Nehls, and 
Ranking Member Payne:
    On behalf of America's 19,000 cities, towns, and villages, the 
National League of Cities (NLC) appreciates the rail investments that 
Congress advanced through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act 
(IIJA) as well as annual federal funding. The IIJA created the new Rail 
Crossing Elimination program that has already proven incredibly 
valuable for communities to work directly with railroads to complete 
rail improvement projects and improve the flow of rail traffic and 
local transportation traffic at crossings. While the costs for rail 
crossing infrastructure improvements have increased [https://
www.kansascity.com/news/business/article2696
76406.html] along with volatile railroad project expenses, continuing 
to advance rail safety improvements remains a key opportunity for 
collaboration for Congress and communities with our railroad partners.
    America's communities have asked for Congress' oversight and 
support for bipartisan legislative action on rail safety and blocked 
crossings [https://www.nlc.org/post/2023/05/08/500-cities-call-on-
congress-to-stop-rails-risky-business-endangering-their-communities/] 
that cannot be fully addressed by current rail programs or the Federal 
Railroad Administration without Congressional action. Hundreds of 
cities and towns of all sizes are reporting thousands of trains parked 
and blocking their main roads, causing local transportation and 
economic activity to grind to a halt. This has led to dangerous 
situations of children climbing over stopped trains; ambulances delayed 
from reaching emergency 9-1-1 calls in time to save lives; and 
residents left stranded indefinitely, or worse, pinned inside blocked 
rail areas. Unfortunately, the Federal Railroad Administration is 
blocked from regulating based on these community reports.
    More than one in ten cities has experienced a rail incident within 
their boundaries since 2013, and 64% of all rail incidents occurred 
within city boundaries over the last 10 years. The train derailment 
last February in East Palestine, Ohio, was a jarring reminder for all 
local governments of how quickly any one of these rail incidents in 
their backyards can dissolve the economic potential of the communities 
they represent and serve. The proximity and recurrence of train 
derailments and blocked crossings should not be minimized--it is a 
legitimate federal concern for the safety of American communities, 
emergency first responders, as well as railroads and rail workers.
    To that end, NLC asks the House Transportation and Infrastructure 
Committee to expeditiously advance rail safety legislation that 
responds to the safety challenges present in America's rail network. 
The Railway Safety Act of 2023 (H.R. 1674/S.576) was co-sponsored by a 
bipartisan group of seventeen members of Congress and eleven Senators 
to help prevent toxic train derailments and ensure rail moves safely 
through our communities and our country. Additionally, eleven Ohio 
members of Congress introduced a similar bipartisan bill (H.R. 1633), 
and Rep. Fitzpatrick and Rep. Deluzio have introduced the bipartisan 
Assistance for Local Heroes During Train Crises Act (H.R. 2999) to help 
local first responders be better prepared for these incidents. Without 
Congress passing comprehensive rail safety legislation, local 
governments and first responders will continue to face the daily 
consequences of rail derailments, deaths, and delays that have left 
many communities frustrated for years with the pace of federal response 
to their concerns.
    Passing legislation that ensures trains stay on their tracks and 
keep moving is a system that is both economically reliable for 
America's industries and economy, as well as profitable for railroads. 
On average, three trains in the U.S. rail network derail each day, and 
close to half of those trains are reported to be carrying a hazardous 
substance due to precision railroading, making derailments and 
hazardous disasters far more likely. Communities with trains occupying 
their crossings deserve reasonable accommodations that keep their 
transportation networks moving and, where possible, eliminate the 
conflicts entirely. We urge Congress to pass bipartisan rail safety 
legislation that addresses persistent rail safety issues that have 
reasonable and clear solutions, to ensure communities and first 
responders are made whole when derailments become disasters.
            Sincerely,
                                       Clarence E. Anthony,
             CEO and Executive Director, National League of Cities.

cc: Senate Commerce Committee Chair Maria Cantwell
   Senate Commerce Committee Ranking Member Ted Cruz

                                 
 Article entitled, `` `Hurry Up and Get It Done': Norfolk Southern Set 
Railcar Safety Checks at One Minute,'' by Esther Fung, Kris Maher, and 
  Paul Berger, Wall Street Journal, March 30, 2023, Submitted for the 
                  Record by Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.
`Hurry Up and Get It Done': Norfolk Southern Set Railcar Safety Checks 
                             at One Minute
by Esther Fung, Kris Maher, and Paul Berger

Wall Street Journal, March 30, 2023, 11:16 a.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/railroads-are-a-lot-more-efficient-are-
they-also-less-safe-7c5d2a60
 The company's practices are a prime focus of federal regulators after 
        a spate of major accidents since December 2021
    In the world of railroading, keeping the trains moving is 
paramount, and Norfolk Southern Corp. has little tolerance for late 
departures.
    Supervisors can be penalized for trains that are ready to leave but 
instead sit in rail yards, according to current and former employees of 
the Atlanta-based railroad. Train inspection time frames are tight. 
Employees who seek more-stringent reviews of rail equipment or slow 
down transport can face discipline.
    Scott Wilcox, a sixth-generation railroader who is retired from 
Norfolk Southern, said its railcar inspectors used to have five to 
eight minutes to check a car's wheels and brakes for problems like 
leaky bearings or damaged components. Now they often have between 30 
seconds and a minute, he said.
    ``So basically all they're doing is connecting air hoses between 
the cars for the brake system and that's it,'' Mr. Wilcox said. ``They 
don't have time to do anything else. At least not without getting in 
trouble.''
    Norfolk Southern's practices are a prime focus of federal 
regulators after a spate of major accidents since December 2021, three 
of which resulted in fatalities. Its derailment in East Palestine, 
Ohio, on Feb. 3, which released toxic chemicals, has spurred lawsuits 
from residents, business owners and the state alleging negligence.
    The National Transportation Safety Board, which typically 
investigates major transportation and hazardous-materials accidents, 
opened a special probe into Norfolk Southern's safety culture, a move 
it hadn't made in years. The NTSB said it took the step ``given the 
number and significance'' of accidents and called for the company to 
immediately review and assess its safety practices. The Federal 
Railroad Administration separately has opened a safety probe into 
Norfolk Southern.
    Norfolk Southern Chief Executive Alan Shaw defended the railroad's 
record, citing data including employee injury rates that have declined 
each year since 2019. At the same time, he said the company is 
committed to improving its safety culture and has sought input from the 
two largest railroad unions to do so.
    ``This is going to take the contribution of all 20,000 of our 
employees,'' he said. ``We're not putting unsafe trains out there.''
    At the center of Norfolk Southern's practices--and those of most 
other big railroads today--is a management system called precision-
scheduled railroading, or PSR, designed to improve service, make 
operations more efficient and cut costs. In it, railroads, rather than 
wait for cargo to arrive, stick to preset schedules.
    Equipment spends less time in rail yards. Fewer trains run on 
routes, but cars tend to be heavier because they are packed with more 
cargo. That change reduces the need for locomotives, and some can be 
taken out of service, reducing costs.
    One result is smaller workforces. Total employment at the seven 
largest North American freight railroads fell to just below 115,000 in 
2021 from nearly 159,000 in 2011, a 28% drop in a period during which 
the amount of freight carried fell by a smaller 11%. Crews are 
responsible for longer trains, some as long as three miles.
    The industry impact since large U.S. freight railroads started 
adopting PSR about six years ago has been similar to that of lean 
manufacturing on factories decades earlier. The changes helped Norfolk 
Southern squeeze more revenue out of each ton of freight it moved. 
Investors benefited as railroads plowed more money into stock buybacks 
and dividends.
    Unions threatened a national strike last fall in part because of 
changes under PSR, before the Biden administration brokered a labor 
deal and Congress passed legislation compelling them to accept it.
    Whether PSR was a factor in the Ohio derailment hasn't been 
determined. Current and former employees say that the changes haven't 
improved safety and in some cases have been harmful. Broadly, industry 
executives and employees are divided on whether PSR contributes to 
accidents.
    In the latest rail accident, a BNSF train with cargo including 
ethanol derailed in Raymond, Minn., early Thursday, igniting a fire and 
forcing an evacuation. No injuries were reported.
    The Federal Railroad Administration's safety chief, Karl Alexy, 
said that statistics don't show a clear link between implementation of 
PSR and changes in accident rates, but he added that the system 
introduced ``new hazards and additional risks.'' Mr. Alexy added there 
is fatigue among rail workforces as a result of the pandemic and the 
industry's having fewer workers than years earlier.
    Derailments, the most common kind of accident, have fallen by more 
than half at major freight railroads since 2000, federal data show. 
Norfolk Southern, which adopted the PSR system in 2019, reported fewer 
derailments in 2022 than in any other year in the past decade.
    Norfolk Southern's overall accident rate--counting collisions and 
other types of mishaps in addition to derailments--climbed 25% from 
2019 to 2022 but did so at declining annual rates. From 2021 to 2022, 
it rose 0.5%.
    Norfolk Southern isn't an outlier in the safety issues it is 
facing. Other large freight railroads have also dealt with service 
disruptions after overhauling operations to adopt precision scheduling.
    Some problems stem from rail-yard congestion as employees handle 
longer trains and workers sometimes must do work they have little 
training for, all under tighter time pressure.


   Crews worked on clearing the Norfolk Southern crash site in East 
                      Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 14.
            Photo: Dustin Franz for The Wall Street Journal

    ``There's a `hurry up and get it done,' or if it's not done, `hurry 
up and get it out of the door' mentality,'' said James Orwan, general 
chairman of IAM Lodge 19, a labor union that represents workers who 
inspect, repair and maintain locomotives.
    While PSR shook up Norfolk Southern's operations, the arrival of 
Covid-19 dealt further disruptions. The railroad struggled with service 
issues and delayed shipments that regulators blamed on the operational 
changes. The company said it faced labor shortages.
    ``Our numbers need to improve right now,'' said an August 2020 
email sent by a Norfolk Southern senior general foreman to team 
members, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
    The email emphasized the importance of handling trains faster. 
``Instructions have been issued on how we are to accomplish this and it 
doesn't seem like we are all acting on it. These numbers show that we 
are slacking off in the trainyard and have no need for more help!''
    The company began unwinding some of its PSR efforts after Mr. Shaw 
took over as CEO in May 2022, following nearly three decades at the 
railroad. Last summer, Norfolk Southern reopened idled hump yards in 
Georgia and Ohio--where trains are broken down, reassembled and sent to 
their next destination--to help ease congestion in other places. The 
company has also beefed up hiring, employing 1,500 more people now than 
a year ago.
    Although investors often look at railroads' ``operating ratio''--
figured by dividing operating expenses by operating revenue--``reducing 
the OR is not our singular focus,'' Mr. Shaw said at an investor event 
in December.
    The company pledged not to furlough workers during a downturn, 
which it has traditionally done, and said it plans to invest in 
additional training during such a period instead.
    Mr. Shaw has said he supports a number of provisions in a rail-
safety bill pushed by a bipartisan group in Congress, such as better 
notification, training and equipment for first responders, and tougher 
requirements for tank cars that hold hazardous materials. He has 
supported more funding for research in wayside detectors, which are 
devices along tracks that help signal potential equipment problems.
    Many unionized workers say the voluminous safety data reported to 
regulators doesn't reflect the elevated risks they face. Mr. Wilcox, 
66, said he decided to retire as a locomotive engineer at Norfolk 
Southern last July in part because he felt the job had become less 
safe.
    He said he made the trip between the company's rail yard in Conway, 
Pa., and Toledo, Ohio, several times a week, passing through East 
Palestine each time and always carrying hazardous materials. Because of 
pressure to depart without delays, Mr. Wilcox said, sometimes his 
trains would be sent out with problems that required him to pull onto a 
siding and wait for repairs.
    Norfolk Southern declined to comment on the accounts by Mr. Wilcox 
or other current and former employees. ``We've got to be data-driven. 
There's always going to be anecdotes,'' Mr. Shaw said.
    On average, train crews across Norfolk Southern's network take two 
minutes to complete the inspection of each car, according to the 
company. It said a study found that experienced crews took one minute 
to complete the inspection, so a one-minute guideline to inspect each 
car--or 30 seconds per side--was ``set as a guideline and documented 
for their awareness.''
    The company said that if an employee identifies anything that needs 
repairs, that would be outside the standard inspection, and the 
employee wouldn't be punished for it.
    The FRA's Mr. Alexy said his agency is aware of allegations of a 
steep reduction in car-inspection times. He said railroads may be 
implementing such policies informally instead of through written 
guidelines.
    One accident the NTSB is investigating occurred near midnight on 
Dec. 13 in Bessemer, Ala., when a piece of steel hanging off the side 
of a railcar on a parked Norfolk Southern train struck one of the 
company's locomotives approaching at 55 miles an hour. The steel piece 
pierced the cab of the oncoming locomotive and struck two conductors, 
killing one and seriously injuring the second, the NTSB said. The 
agency said Norfolk Southern freight-car inspection practices will be 
part of its investigation.
    Some concerns about the industry's safety culture predate 
precision-scheduled railroading. Workers have long complained of their 
perspectives on safety incidents being ignored, said former rail-safety 
investigators.
    At Norfolk Southern, according to some current and former 
employees, workers fear reprisals for reporting safety issues to 
management. Mr. Alexy of the FRA said, ``We have heard over and over 
again that people are afraid to come forward.''
    Workers can report issues to labor unions or the company directly. 
They also can file complaints with Occupational Safety and Health 
Administration offices or with rail regulators such as the FRA.
    More complaints have been made to the FRA in recent years, citing 
safety incidents or practices such as working too many hours, according 
to a Government Accountability Office report in December. The agency 
received slightly fewer than 200 complaints about railroad operating 
practices in 2020, 500 in 2021 and nearly 400 from January to July last 
year.
    One problem the agency runs into is that even if it says it will 
protect a complainant's identity, the location or timing of a violation 
can give clues to who complained, Mr. Alexy said. He said the agency 
will go after railroads if they retaliate.
    Norfolk Southern's Mr. Shaw said: ``Transparency and candor are the 
foundation of our culture. If people see issues which they're concerned 
about, they need to raise their hand.''
    Norfolk Southern employee Michelle Belt said she consistently 
pointed out safety issues to train masters and the superintendent at a 
Wayne County, Mich., rail yard, but her concerns were dismissed.
    According to a report Ms. Belt made to Michigan OSHA, after she 
raised concerns in 2020 about what she saw as a lack of Covid-19 
precautions, a trainmaster yelled at her and accused her of not wanting 
to work and lying about the local health directive, and two hours later 
she was suspended from work pending an investigation by the same 
official.
    ``This display of intimidation has sent a clear message to my 
fellow employees,'' her report said.
    Ms. Belt, 49, said in an interview that she was investigated by 
Norfolk Southern twice more that year on charges such as ``inattention 
to duty'' and ``improper use of radio'' that were ultimately dropped.
    She said that since staff cutbacks and the closure of a mechanical 
shop several years ago, there is too much debris in the yard and too 
few workers inspecting switches, mechanisms that help guide trains from 
one track to another.
    Norfolk Southern has brought up another investigation against her, 
and this time it may go to arbitration, Ms. Belt said.
    While declining to comment on her account, Norfolk Southern said 
that it takes training seriously and that its injury rate has been 
improving.
    Last summer, former Norfolk Southern manager Cabell Brockman said, 
he tried and failed to stop dispatchers from sending a train 150 miles 
from Atlanta to Birmingham, Ala., with 28 railcars of steel pipe that 
he believed had been improperly loaded.
    Two other cars with the pipe had derailed earlier after some pipe 
fell from one of them, he said, and he feared that these were a risk. 
``If any pipe were to roll off the rail cars, they could have easily 
killed one of my employees,'' Mr. Brockman said in an interview.
    Mr. Brockman, who worked at Norfolk Southern for two decades, 
rising to division superintendent, said that dispatchers insisted on 
sending the train because stopping it and removing the cars would have 
caused congestion.
    He filed a complaint to OSHA in December, alleging he had been 
fired in September for repeatedly raising safety issues that placed 
rail workers and the public at risk.
    Norfolk Southern declined to comment on Mr. Brockman's complaint. 
In its written response to OSHA submitted in February, the railroad 
said Mr. Brockman was dismissed because he had failed to follow Norfolk 
Southern's operations plan and to treat colleagues respectfully. Mr. 
Brockman denied those allegations.
    For years, Norfolk Southern and its competitors declined to 
participate in a voluntary program allowing railroads and their 
employees to report minor incidents and close calls, a system that had 
success in the aviation industry.
    Weeks after the East Palestine derailment, and under pressure from 
Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, the rail industry's largest 
trade group said that Norfolk Southern and the other biggest freight 
lines would join the system. They are ironing out the details of 
participation with the regulator and other stakeholders, the FRA said.
    Mr. Shaw, referring to the FRA, the Transportation Department and 
the NTSB, said: ``Anything that they're doing, where they're taking a 
look at us and offering insights as to how we can improve safety, I'm 
all-in.''

--Ted Mann contributed to this article.

                                 
     Article entitled, `` `Do Your Job.' How the Railroad Industry 
  Intimidates Employees Into Putting Speed Before Safety,'' by Topher 
 Sanders, Jessica Lussenhop, Dan Schwartz, Danelle Morton, and Gabriel 
 Sandoval, ProPublica, November 15, 2023, Submitted for the Record by 
                       Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.
  `Do Your Job.' How the Railroad Industry Intimidates Employees Into 
                      Putting Speed Before Safety
by Topher Sanders, Jessica Lussenhop, Dan Schwartz, Danelle Morton, and 
Gabriel Sandoval

ProPublica, November 15, 2023, 6 a.m. EST
https://www.propublica.org/article/railroad-safety-union-pacific-csx-
bnsf-trains-freight
 Railroad companies have penalized workers for taking the time to make 
        needed repairs and created a culture in which supervisors 
        threaten and fire the very people hired to keep trains running 
        safely. Regulators say they can't stop this intimidation.
    Bradley Haynes and his colleagues were the last chance Union 
Pacific had to stop an unsafe train from leaving one of its rail yards. 
Skilled in spotting hidden dangers, the inspectors in Kansas City, 
Missouri, wrote up so-called ``bad orders'' to pull defective cars out 
of assembled trains and send them for repairs.
    But on Sept. 18, 2019, the area's director of maintenance, Andrew 
Letcher, scolded them for hampering the yard's ability to move trains 
on time.
    ``We're a transportation company, right? We get paid to move 
freight. We don't get paid to work on cars,'' he said. ``The first 
thing that I'm getting questioned about right now, every day, is why 
we're over 200 bad orders and what we're doing to get them down. . . . 
If I was an inspector on a train,'' he continued, ``I would probably 
let some of that nitpicky shit go.''
    Haynes knew that the yard's productivity metrics were hurting and 
that the repairs he ordered had a direct impact on his job security. 
Just that day, he'd flagged a 40-pound GPS box that was hanging by a 
cable off the side of a car. He worried it could snap off and fall on a 
colleague's head or go hurling into a driver's windshield. His boss 
greenlighted the car to leave anyway.
    Haynes had started carrying a digital recorder in case he ever 
needed to defend himself. It captured him asking Letcher what would 
happen if a defect they let go wound up killing someone. The question 
went unaddressed as Letcher issued a warning: If they continued to hurt 
productivity by finding defects he deemed unnecessary, he would begin 
doling out punishment. He might even have to close the yard's car shop.
    ``I'm trying to save your freaking jobs,'' he said.
    If the public thinks of America's sprawling freight rail network at 
all, it typically does so when a train derails, unleashing flaming cars 
and noxious smoke on a community as it did this year in East Palestine, 
Ohio. The rail industry usually responds by vowing fixes and defending 
its overall record, which includes a steady decrease in major 
accidents. But a ProPublica investigation has found that those 
statistics present a knowingly incomplete picture of rail safety.
    They don't count the often-harrowing near misses, the trains that 
break apart, slip off the tracks or roll away from their crews with no 
one aboard--the accumulation of incidents that portend deeper safety 
risks. The government trusts the rail companies to fix the underlying 
problems on their own, to heed the warnings of workers like Haynes of 
loose hoses that could impair brakes or rotting tracks that could cause 
derailments. Unless those mishaps result in major injuries or costly 
damage, the companies don't have to report them to anyone.
    But as railroads strive to move their cargo faster, that honor 
system, ProPublica found, is being exploited. To squeeze the most money 
out of every minute, the companies are going to dangerous lengths to 
avoid disruptions--even those for safety repairs.
    They use performance-pay systems that effectively penalize 
supervisors for taking the time to fix hazards and that pressure them 
to quash dissent, threatening and firing the very workers they hired to 
keep their operations safe. As a result, trains with known problems are 
rolling from yard to yard like ticking time bombs, getting passed down 
the line for the next crew to defuse--or defer.
    Regulators say they can't stop the intimidation that is feeding 
this dynamic. The Federal Railroad Administration can remove 
retaliators from working on the rails but seldom does, even if an 
employee alerts it to harassment in real time. Proving managers' intent 
is difficult, a spokesperson said.
    And the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which 
enforces workplace whistleblower laws, only probes so deep. It takes 
the agency so long to conclude investigations that many workers, tired 
of waiting months for rulings, remove their complaints and sue the 
companies instead. Once that happens, OSHA has no legal authority to 
continue its investigation, barring the agency from exposing repeat bad 
actors or patterns in the industry's abuse of whistleblowers.
    To do what the government hasn't, ProPublica examined 15 years' 
worth of federal lawsuits against rail companies, interviewed hundreds 
of workers including managers, listened to hours of audio recorded by 
workers and pored over decades of regulatory, judicial, legislative and 
industry records. We identified 111 court cases in which workers 
alleged they had been disciplined or fired after reporting safety 
concerns; nearly 60% ended in settlements with the companies. Three in 
recent years resulted in jury verdicts of over $1 million for fired 
workers.
    Separately, OSHA and Department of Labor administrative judges 
found railroad companies violated whistleblower laws in 13 cases since 
2018 in which workers voiced safety concerns. Among the railroaders: 
one who tried to alert BNSF headquarters to broken wheels, which could 
have derailed trains (the company is appealing the case); two who 
slowed a CSX train to abide by a federal safety mandate (the company is 
appealing the case); and a CSX engineer who refused to work a 12-hour 
shift just hours after a previous shift without the period of rest 
required by law.
    ``It's really hard to stay awake sometimes,'' the engineer, Chad 
Hendrix, had testified, before CSX worked out a settlement with him.
    The Association of American Railroads says that the industry's 
sterling safety record ``stands in stark contrast'' to assertions made 
in this story. ``From the day a trainee first reports on the job, 
railroads instill the message that every employee has a role to play in 
keeping themselves, their colleagues, and communities safe. Safety 
protocols are ingrained in daily operations, and employees are 
continuously empowered to report safety concerns so proactive steps can 
be taken to prevent a future accident,'' the group said. (Read the full 
statement here.)
    The companies mentioned in this story largely declined to comment 
on specific cases. (Read the full statements by Union Pacific, BNSF, 
Norfolk Southern and CSX.) They said they encourage their workers to 
voice safety concerns and tout internal hotlines where employees can do 
so anonymously. They say they do not tolerate retaliation.
    But ProPublica found that companies retained and promoted 
supervisors who juries found had wrongfully terminated employees. And 
workers said that they had been targeted after making safety reports 
they thought were anonymous, or that they were ordered to stop calling 
safety hotlines, or that they'd simply grown apathetic, seeing hazards 
they had raised go unaddressed. Two BNSF employees sustained life-
changing spinal injuries when their train crashed into a 6-ton tree 
that had fallen on the tracks; workers had warned their bosses that the 
tree was about to fall.
    In interviews, one anguished rail worker after another said they 
have no place to report their concerns and that their clashes with 
management have triggered panic attacks, elevated blood pressure and 
thoughts of suicide. In 2011, a Norfolk Southern car inspector, under 
mounting pressure to stop reporting car defects, drove to work, clocked 
in and shot himself. His death shook the industry but didn't change it. 
Norfolk Southern did not comment.
    Karl Alexy, chief safety officer for the FRA, disagrees with the 
industry assertion that it is the safest it's ever been, noting that 
grievous worker injuries and deaths haven't changed in over a decade. 
``We're not seeing an improvement in what's really important: the lives 
of the workers,'' he said. He also said worker fear is real and keeps 
critical information from regulators. ``It definitely influences 
safety,'' he said, ``definitely for the worse.''
    Haynes, the Union Pacific inspector, said he was tempted to 
overlook hazards after Letcher's threat but came across a problem three 
weeks later that he couldn't ignore: a car with faulty brakes, on its 
way out of the yard. Hayes flagged it for repair, but his manager again 
overrode him, so Haynes reported what happened to the FRA that morning. 
Though the agency has the capacity to inspect only about 1% of the rail 
system annually, its regulators can compel companies to make repairs, 
giving them deadlines and levying fines when they fail to meet them. 
The regulator issued a violation, Haynes said.
    About two weeks after Haynes' report, Union Pacific closed the 
yard's car shop, furloughing Haynes and a number of his colleagues 
indefinitely. The workers filed a complaint to OSHA, sharing the 
recorded threat and alleging retaliation. They asked for an expedited 
ruling so they could move the case to the Labor Department's Office of 
Administrative Law Judges, the next step. OSHA administratively 
dismissed the case, and the one in the new venue is pending, according 
to Haynes' attorney.
    Letcher, who is still at Union Pacific, did not respond to attempts 
to reach him. The company did not address any of the statements on the 
recording, but it told ProPublica any claim that the car shop was 
closed in retaliation is false. ``The shop was closed in 2019 as part 
of our efforts to streamline the railroad,'' the company said, which 
means ``removing how many times the car is `touched.' Every time that 
happens, it adds about 24 hours to a car's journey, and our goal is to 
move them as quickly and safely as possible for our customers.''
    In reports to investors, Union Pacific touts these efforts as a key 
part of its strategy to maximize profits. Jim Vena, who is now chief 
executive officer, even mentioned the Kansas City closure as one of the 
moves that contributed to record efficiency in 2019. ``We've made a 
number of changes to our operations in the last year and the results 
have been outstanding,'' he told shareholders in an earnings call. ``As 
we move forward, look for us to continue pushing the envelope.''


  Matt Sweeney, Chris Johnson, Roman Berndt, Corey Schanz and Bradley 
 Haynes. The five were present during the conversation Haynes recorded 
               with management, and they were furloughed.
                   Credit: Elise Kirk for ProPublica

                             Time Is Money
    Much like the veins and arteries that transport blood through our 
bodies, America's vast freight rail network quietly powers the national 
economy, moving 1.6 billion tons of product a year over 140,000 miles 
of track in trains that can each weigh as much as a fleet of jumbo 
jets. As they trundle through communities carrying cars packed with 
explosive or hazardous materials, the companies that run them insist 
safety is their top priority.
    But the Association of American Railroads, in its online marketing, 
describes a powerful undercurrent that pulses through every mile of 
those tracks: ``In the digital age, speed and efficiency are 
everything.'' Customers who make one-click purchases expect their 
products delivered the very next day. And demand is only growing--the 
Federal Highway Administration projects that freight shipments will see 
a 30% increase by 2040. Governments can't afford to build roads quickly 
enough, the industry group argues, but freight trains are already 
adapting: ``Trains have been improved to carry more cargo in a single 
journey.''
    ProPublica previously delved into the dangers of precision 
scheduled railroading, in which companies are running longer trains 
with smaller crews, adhering to tight schedules. Anything that slows 
trains can have job-ending repercussions.
    On the busy rail corridor running through northwest Atlanta, there 
was a notorious stretch of track known for tripping up engineers. Larry 
Coston didn't feel like he could navigate the large number of signal 
lights safely going the speed limit of 60 mph, so he radioed the 
dispatcher that he'd be driving at a slower speed, a 6 to 8 mph crawl, 
in an effort to avoid an accident.
    Norfolk Southern fired him for ``intentionally'' delaying his 
assignment. The company declined to comment on specific cases. But his 
boss, and his boss' boss, testified in his ongoing lawsuit that his 
judgment didn't matter; engineers should travel at maximum authorized 
speeds regardless of their safety concerns. ``Run your train,'' his 
direct supervisor, Travis Bailey, a senior road manager of engines, 
said in a deposition. ``Do your job.''
    Supervisors have strong incentives to push their workers like this. 
Court records show that several freight rail companies rate and rank 
their managers using metrics that reward them for trains staying on 
schedule and penalize them for disruptions--even when the delays are 
caused by safety precautions. ``Slow order delays,'' for example, 
calculate the amount of time lost from slowing trains because of unsafe 
track conditions.
    Lewis Ware, a senior general foreman in Norfolk Southern's 
Savannah, Georgia, yard, had a reputation for keeping a close eye on 
bad orders. In 2019, car inspectors Kelvin Taylor and Shane Fowler 
filed a federal complaint alleging that Ware had repeatedly removed 
their repair order tags, allowing dangerous cars to leave the yard. 
They said Ware told them he had a quota--no more than 10 a week--
regardless of the actual number of defects the inspectors found. (Ware 
disputed that figure, arguing that his goal was actually 20 bad orders 
at the time.)
    Numbers like ``bad order counts'' can be used on scorecards to rank 
a manager. For example, Ware's supervisor said in a deposition that 
metrics related to bad orders made up 15% of her final score.
    The supervisor said that Norfolk Southern discourages managers from 
unilaterally removing repair tags and that Ware had been advised to 
stop.
    The federal lawsuit filed by the workers was settled in October 
under confidential terms, and Ware, who still works for the company, 
declined to comment for this story. A Norfolk Southern spokesperson 
noted that OSHA sided with the company before the car inspectors filed 
their lawsuit, and said in a statement that it ``does not tolerate 
retaliation of any kind'' and has ``partnered with our unions and their 
leaders to improve safety and collaboration.''
    To assess the internal pressure on rail supervisors, ProPublica 
interviewed former managers who worked at CSX, Norfolk Southern and 
Union Pacific between 2011 and 2021. They confirmed that fewer safety 
reports made their jobs easier: less time spent driving miles up and 
down territory to eyeball a ``complainer's'' claims, less time trying 
to fix the issue and less time doing paperwork.
    For people in their jobs, they said, time literally is money. 
Across the industry, managers receive year-end bonuses tied to 
performance, often defined by how efficiently they move trains through 
yards. The managers estimated that on a $100,000 base salary, someone 
with a good evaluation can earn a $20,000 to $25,000 cash bonus. These 
payouts can drop dramatically if managers fail to meet certain metrics.
    In Minnesota, a BNSF track inspector named Don Sanders recorded his 
manager, Keith Jones, berating him for writing up defects that 
reflected poorly on Jones. ``I'm about to lose my job, my family's 
welfare,'' Jones, a division engineer, said in one recording. He would 
later testify that his annual bonus was tied to his year-end 
evaluation, which factored in the sort of defects flagged by Sanders. 
But Jones' supervisors heaped on praise after he helped fire Sanders. 
His review: ``Your team is injury-free, slow orders are at an all time 
low, relationships are good. Don Sanders is no longer working for 
BNSF.''
    Jones declined to comment other than to emphasize that Sanders was 
fired for time theft, not in retaliation for safety reporting. Sanders 
claimed the time theft investigation against him was retaliatory. A 
federal jury sided with Sanders and awarded him over $9.4 million in 
2021 for his wrongful termination; because of a cap on damages, the 
award was later reduced to $2.3 million. BNSF, which did not comment on 
the case, is appealing.
    Sanders lost more than money from the entire episode. His estranged 
wife testified that he sank into a deep depression after he got fired, 
slept all day and was no longer the attentive partner and father he'd 
once been. ``I lost my husband, basically.''
                       Accountability Is Elusive
    Track inspector Brandon Fresquez had an odd sense of deja vu in 
2015 as he performed his duties in a BNSF hub in Denver. He was seeing 
the same defects in the same spots he'd previously flagged for repair. 
Sometimes the company's computer system said they'd been fixed; 
sometimes the entry was missing entirely.
    Fresquez and some co-workers suspected their manager, roadmaster 
Michael Paz, was falsifying repairs at the direction of his boss. They 
viewed Paz as a bully who they said spoke openly about badgering 
inspectors into changing their safety reports and firing those who did 
not fall in line.
    BNSF maintained an anonymous hotline for employees who wanted to 
report unsafe conditions. According to trial testimony in a lawsuit 
Fresquez later filed, nearly a dozen calls had come in about Paz. The 
inspectors would later testify that they believed the company told 
local managers, including Paz, which of them had called. ``They were 
trying to nitpick every little thing we did and trying to get us in a 
disciplinary action,'' testified Jacob Yancey, a worker responsible for 
making track repairs. ``There was a list of people they wanted to meet 
with afterwards, and everybody who had made that phone call was on that 
list.''
    Fresquez, who questioned the confidentiality of the hotline, took 
his concerns straight to the FRA after Paz asked him to change 
information about a defect so a track would stay in service. An 
official told him that would be a violation of safety standards, 
Fresquez said, but the FRA didn't do anything more to intervene.
    Fresquez said he came back to Paz relaying what the FRA official 
had told him and saying he would not lie about track defects. Paz 
declined to comment when reached by ProPublica, but he denied 
falsifying records when he was later called to the stand to testify. 
Paz gave inconsistent answers in his deposition and trial testimony 
about whether he knew Fresquez called the FRA. What is clear is that by 
the end of that day, Fresquez was on leave for insubordination. The 
railroad later fired him.
    And so, Fresquez began his slog down the well-worn track of trying 
to seek justice for his perceived retribution--one that, for many 
railroaders, is a yearslong grind.
    Workers who contend that a railroad company violated their 
whistleblower rights must first file a claim to OSHA. The agency can 
accept complaints about harassment and threats before a worker is 
punished, but those can be more difficult to prove. More commonly, the 
agency becomes involved only after the employee is disciplined or is 
sitting at home without a paycheck.
    It can take a year or longer for OSHA to complete an investigation. 
A spokesperson for the Department of Labor told ProPublica that while 
the optimal caseload for a whistleblower investigator is six to eight 
cases, the current average caseload is 17.
    If 210 days have passed without an OSHA finding, workers can remove 
their cases and file a lawsuit in federal court. This can win them a 
big check, but it essentially allows the company to dodge any 
government ruling of retaliation. Take the case of Johnny Taylor, fired 
from Union Pacific under circumstances similar to Fresquez. After 
waiting seven months for OSHA to weigh in, he withdrew his 
whistleblower complaint and sued his former employer. Taylor was 
awarded $1.3 million after a jury found the company wrongfully 
terminated him. But because the OSHA case dead-ended, Union Pacific was 
never subjected to a ruling about whether it violated federal 
whistleblower law, which could have added to its public record about 
how it treats its employees.
    In Fresquez's case, OSHA quickly returned a finding that BNSF had 
retaliated against him. But knowing the company would likely appeal, 
his attorney, Nick Thompson, wanted to get the case in front of a jury 
sooner; he said most of his clients are often ``destitute'' within a 
year or two of losing their jobs. So began a gantlet of questions and 
cross-examinations, a trial and an appeal. ``You're a little guy trying 
to battle a million-dollar company,'' Fresquez said. ``I was in court 
basically for seven years. I lost sleep. I gained weight.'' Some days, 
he wished he could disappear.
    In 2019, a jury found that he was wrongfully terminated; he was 
awarded $1.7 million. An appellate court upheld the verdict late last 
year. BNSF declined to comment on this or any other case, but it wrote 
in a statement that ``at BNSF, the safety of our employees always has 
been and always will be the most important thing we do. We believe 
that's reflected in our record over the last decade, which produced the 
lowest number of injuries in our railroad's history.'' Paz is still a 
supervisor at the company.
    Fresquez's attorney got a sizable chunk of the payout, and what is 
left for Fresquez, he said, can never restore what he lost. ``I'm 
fucked up, honestly,'' Fresquez said. ``My anxiety is so, so, so bad 
now.''
    The change is palpable, Thompson said, serving as a cautionary tale 
to Fresquez's former colleagues about what happens when you go up 
against a railroad company.
    ``Make no mistake about it,'' Thompson said. ``The winner of 
Brandon's case was BNSF.''
                        Reaching for a Lifeline
    This June in Hernando, Mississippi, a train pulling 47 tanker cars 
filled with highly flammable propane somehow escaped from its crew. The 
workers had parked their train to remove a section of cars. When they 
returned, they discovered that the remaining 90 cars, including the 
tankers filled with propane, had begun rolling down the tracks on their 
own.
    The crewless bomb train traveled for 3 miles through two public 
crossings until it gradually came to a stop.
    ``Oh my God. That's terrifying,'' U.S. Rep. Melanie Stansbury, D-
N.M. said after ProPublica informed her of the incident. ``Unbelievable 
that in the year 2023 this is happening.''
    Because it didn't crash or derail, neither Grenada Railroad, the 
small company that ran it, nor its parent company, Gulf & Atlantic 
Railways, needed to tell the FRA. Laws and rules don't require 
companies to tell regulators when they lose control of a train, even 
one carrying explosive cargo.
    But word got around. Alarmed railroaders encouraged the workers to 
report the close call to regulators; someone needed to investigate what 
happened to prevent it from happening again, they argued.
    The workers were too afraid, said Randy Fannon, a national vice 
president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen. 
``Evidently the employees felt that they couldn't acknowledge it or 
report it for fear of retribution,'' he said.
    A week after the incident, an FRA official got a text message from 
someone other than a Grenada employee, which prompted a government 
investigation. Gulf & Atlantic declined to comment on the incident. The 
FRA told ProPublica penalties are forthcoming.
    ``That Grenada personnel were concerned for their personal well-
being [and didn't] report the incident is unfortunate and diminishes 
safety on that railroad and the industry in general,'' Alexy wrote in 
an email to ProPublica.
    There is an alternative: the Confidential Close Call Reporting 
System, which the FRA piloted in 2007 and fully implemented in 2014. It 
allows railroaders to anonymously disclose safety concerns or close 
calls to a third party, NASA. Officials at the space agency screen 
them, and, after 30 days, forward them to a team of railroad and FRA 
officials. But the program is voluntary; just 25 of the nation's 
roughly 800 railroads participate; none of the six largest freight 
companies, the so-called Class 1s, do.
    This year, after the East Palestine derailment, lawmakers and 
Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg pushed for them to join the 
system. They all originally agreed to, but months later, progress has 
stalled. Rail companies and their industry representatives say that 
they don't want employees to have blanket immunity from discipline and 
that NASA takes too long to communicate information on hazardous 
situations. They say their internal hotlines are more effective. 
Discussions are ongoing, and a spokesperson for the Association of 
American Railroads said the companies are ``working in good faith to 
get an agreement.''
    Stansbury, the New Mexico lawmaker, along with U.S. Rep. Jamaal 
Bowman, D-N.Y., introduced the Rail Worker and Community Safety Act in 
September, which would create a close call reporting system, prohibit 
retaliation for use of sick leave, increase funding for FRA inspectors 
and expand the U.S. transportation secretary's power to create rules.
    Alexy said his agency is exploring revisions to federal law that 
could expand the kind of incidents that must be reported to the 
government, including runaway trains like the one in Mississippi, and 
is conducting safety audits on all of the large railroad companies--
including interviews that will give employees opportunities to say how 
they are treated when they report safety concerns. He said the work 
will be done by the end of 2024 and shared with the public.
    Deidre Agan, a BNSF conductor in Forsyth, Montana, hopes those 
kinds of changes will help. ``I don't want to see anybody else have to 
struggle and suffer through the stuff that I had to put up with,'' she 
said.
    In the gloom of a late summer evening in 2016, she was in a 
locomotive going over 50 miles per hour when the engineer, Scott Weber, 
rounded a curve and saw an object on the tracks that seemed to loom as 
big as a house. She heard him yell, ``Duck!'' and the train slammed 
into what turned out to be a 6-ton cottonwood tree that had fallen 
across the tracks.
    The two workers were thrown from their seats as glass from the 
windshield sprayed the cabin. The locomotive dragged huge chunks of the 
tree down the tracks for nearly a mile before it finally stopped.
    In a flurry of emails between BNSF managers in the direct aftermath 
of the crash, one thing became clear: They'd been warned. According to 
conductor Don Purdon, everyone in the yard had noticed the tree at some 
point--its precarious lean, its dead bark. Five months before the 
collision, he'd reported it to an internal BNSF hotline. His managers 
promised to look into it but ultimately did not cut the tree down.
    Just before the crash, Purdon's managers forbade him from using the 
hotline because he was calling it too often, Purdon said. Then, they 
shut down the hotline altogether. ``They tried to sweep it under the 
rug and say it wasn't reported,'' Purdon said.
    BNSF declined to comment on the case. In depositions, Purdon's 
manager claimed that decisions about the anonymous hotline had nothing 
to do with the accident. The best way to report hazards, he said, was 
to tell an immediate supervisor. That's the very reporting method 
workers told ProPublica they feared most.
    Weber had surgery to implant a metal plate and eight screws in his 
neck; the injuries pushed him into an early retirement.
    And Agan, nursing a herniated spinal disc and a torn rotator cuff, 
was fired two days after the crash; she'd recently been written up for 
missing a deadline to renew one of her certifications. With no job or 
health insurance, there were days she remained in bed and cried. She 
self-medicated with alcohol and developed a severe drinking problem.
    After more than two years in arbitration and in pain, BNSF 
reinstated Agan and she finally had spinal surgery. She's been sober 
for a year and a half.
    She said she hopes that speaking out will reveal the atmosphere of 
fear that she and her colleagues operate in every day, but her 
expectations are low.
    ``I honestly don't think anything will help because, you know, 
money talks,'' she said. As long as the companies continue to profit, 
``they really don't care.''

                                 
  Article entitled, ``When Railroad Workers Get Hurt on the Job, Some 
 Supervisors Go to Extremes to Keep It Quiet,'' by Topher Sanders, Dan 
  Schwartz, Danelle Morton, Gabriel Sandoval, and Jessica Lussenhop, 
ProPublica, December 16, 2023, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Donald 
                             M. Payne, Jr.
   When Railroad Workers Get Hurt on the Job, Some Supervisors Go to 
                       Extremes to Keep It Quiet
by Topher Sanders, Dan Schwartz, Danelle Morton, Gabriel Sandoval, and 
Jessica Lussenhop

ProPublica, December 16, 2023, 5 a.m. EST
https://www.propublica.org/article/railroad-worker-injuries-union-
pacific-csx-cn-norfolk-southern
 Railroad officials have lied, spied and bribed to keep workers' 
        injuries off the books. ``Don't put your job on the line for 
        another employee.''
        
        
  Train machinist Bobby Moran suffered a work injury that permanently 
  damaged his hand and cost him two fingers. Union Pacific fired him 
       after the incident. Credit: Rachel Boillot for ProPublica

    When questioned by federal officials or faced with an accident, the 
nation's powerful freight railroad companies say they are among the 
safest employers in America and tout their injury records to prove it.
    But those statistics belie a troubling dynamic within the 
companies, ProPublica found: a culture that blames workers when they 
get hurt and motivates supervisors to go to extreme, and sometimes 
dangerous, lengths to keep injuries off the books.
    The playbook is scattered across the pages of sworn court 
testimonies and complaints to workplace regulators. One supervisor said 
in a deposition that he drove a track repairman, who had been vomiting 
and stumbling from heat stroke, to a job briefing site an hour away 
instead of a hospital. Another admitted he paid a carman to hide his 
head injury. A third accompanied a hurt worker into an emergency room, 
according to a recent complaint to regulators, and demanded, 
successfully, that a doctor change his discharge record so that the 
railroad would not have to report the injury to the government.
    Other railroad workers told ProPublica they had gotten hurt on the 
job but chose to keep it quiet, saying they were aware of what happened 
to those who talked.
    The allegations of harassment and retaliation came alive in 
hundreds of interviews conducted by reporters and thousands of records 
they reviewed, including federal lawsuits stretching back 15 years, 
complaints to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration as 
recent as this summer and hours of audio recordings captured by 
workers.
    The reporting showed how railroad officials pushed arguments that 
workers faked their accidents or were at fault for them, at times 
hiding evidence to the contrary. The officials then punished and fired 
workers, including those who lost fingers and limbs, for reasons that 
fell apart when tested in court.
    Judges, juries and regulators found several of these firings unjust 
and illegal; documents of their official findings burned with outrage:
    ``Reprehensible.''
    ``A culture of retaliation.''
    ``Pattern and practice of willful misconduct.''
    ``There is no justice for employees injured on the job.''
    Though the companies won at least 10 of the cases, every one of 
America's six largest freight rail operators, the so-called Class 1s, 
settled lawsuits with workers who alleged they were retaliated against, 
harassed or fired after injuries; of 185 suits, at least 111 were 
resolved this way. Several more are ongoing, and at least a couple 
resulted in jury verdicts for the injured workers.
    In addition, in the past five years, OSHA regulators found merit to 
at least six complaints alleging retaliation, and administrative law 
judges working for the Department of Labor sided with workers in at 
least six more cases within that time period. Regulators acknowledge 
these cases are likely an undercount, because not all workers will go 
through the arduous process of filing a complaint or lawsuit.
    Several officials who investigate worker injuries told ProPublica 
that the rails are unique in how aggressively they deal with hurt 
workers. The antagonism is baked into railroad culture, ProPublica 
found.
    In other industries, employees can draw workers' compensation, no 
matter who is at fault for their injuries; in return, they are 
prevented from suing their companies. The railroads, however, are 
governed by the Federal Employers' Liability Act, which allows hurt 
workers to sue and get bigger payouts but requires them to prove their 
company was at fault.
    Layer on top of that company performance metrics and bonus systems 
that punish managers for reporting injuries. ``We're constantly going 
up against that, and it's very frustrating,'' said Michael Wissman, who 
audits railroad companies for the Federal Railroad Administration, 
which oversees rail safety. He said he recently set out to investigate 
an injury an employee's colleague reported, but then, when he asked the 
worker about it, the man denied he was hurt enough to need government 
attention and seemed hesitant to say more.
    ``I feel for the employee if he was fearful for his job,'' Wissman 
said. ``My hands are kind of tied. I have nothing to go on.''
    Congress has known for decades of the railroad industry's 
propensity for hiding and lying about worker injuries. It held a 
landmark hearing in 2007 to examine the practice. Congressional 
staffers found government reports that identified ``a long history'' of 
railroads underreporting injuries, deaths and near misses. They had 
identified more than 200 cases in which workers said they were harassed 
following injuries and lined up a number of them to speak. ``We are 
going to hear some very startling and dismaying testimony,'' House 
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman James Oberstar 
said at the beginning of the hearing, ``but it has to be laid out in 
the public.''
    In the wake of those hearings, Congress passed an update of the 
Federal Railroad Safety Act in 2008, which toughened safety rules, 
oversight and whistleblower protections and specified that railroad 
companies had to ensure their injured workers got prompt medical care.
    But 15 years later, ProPublica found, many of the problems persist, 
in large part because many of their drivers persist. ``I believe it's 
linked to their bonus structure,'' Wissman said of the rail companies. 
``There's no ands, ifs or buts about it.''
    The Association of American Railroads, the industry's lobbying arm, 
did not comment on those incentives but said employee safety has 
improved because of the companies' concerted efforts.
    ``Railroads patently reject the unsubstantiated allegation that 
there is a systemic safety culture lapse or widespread underreporting 
of injuries,'' association officials said in a statement. ``Isolated 
incidents or behaviors do not reflect an industry-wide problem or 
account for the thousands of professional railroaders who work safely 
and responsibly every day. Let us be clear: there is no distinction 
between railroad culture and safety culture. Railroad culture is safety 
culture.''
    The railroad companies mentioned in this story echoed those points, 
saying their rules require them to promptly report injuries and forbid 
retaliation against hurt workers. ``Allegations that managers are 
incentivized to hide or ignore injured employees are false,'' a Union 
Pacific spokesperson said in a statement. Read the companies' and AAR 
statements.
    Karl Alexy, chief safety officer for the FRA, said there is a 
``yawning gap'' between what he hears from top leaders and the 
management culture on the ground level. ``These guys up at the 
headquarters certainly have the perspective that it's unacceptable and 
they don't want it to happen,'' he said. In fact, according to the FRA, 
Union Pacific disciplined one or more managers this summer for 
misclassifying injuries so that they didn't have to report them to 
regulators.
    ``But then they'll turn around and put these unrealistic 
expectations on these managers out in the field,'' Alexy said, ``and 
[the managers] are like, `I got to do whatever I can do, because 
otherwise, I'm going to lose my job.' ''
    ProPublica previously reported about how, in a quest to maximize 
profits, railroad companies are pushing managers to keep trains moving 
at all costs by using performance metrics that penalize them for 
delays, even those caused by fixing safety hazards. Those scorecards, 
which can dictate five-figure bonuses, also tally worker injuries. But 
it's not just about money.
    ProPublica spoke with seven railroad workers who were managers at 
CSX, Norfolk Southern, Union Pacific and Canadian National between 2011 
and 2021. Most are still employed by those companies. All described an 
industry philosophy that deems every injury preventable--and the fault 
of the employee and their manager.
    Having a spate of injuries can kill a career, they all said. ``It 
decides who is on the fast track for promotion . . . and it decides who 
fizzles out,'' one manager said. Another said that when he was first 
promoted, he slammed his finger in a train door and broke it. ``There 
was no way in hell I was going to report that to anybody,'' he said. 
Today, his finger is still bent.
    None of the former managers believed that employees should escape 
discipline for injuries due to sloppiness, poor oversight or failure to 
follow procedures. But they said the railroad's prosecutorial approach 
to handling injuries includes those no one could have avoided.
    As supervisors, they all said, the injuries they dreaded most were 
those serious enough to report to the FRA, because they invite time-
consuming government intervention and ire from higher-ups who brag 
about their safety record to customers, shareholders and the public. 
Federal regulations require companies to report any injuries that 
result in a worker being prescribed certain medications, missing time 
from work or being assigned to light-duty work.
    That context helps explain some of the behavior ProPublica 
discovered.
    This August in Minnesota, Canadian Pacific Kansas City bridge 
specialist Robert Johnston smashed his knee after his leg fell between 
railroad ties. He said his manager called him repeatedly while he was 
getting an X-ray at the hospital. ``He's like, I will get you whatever 
you need, over the counter,'' Johnston said. ``Anything that you need 
if you don't take prescription drugs.''
    Johnston had no fractures but was still in pain, his knee swelled 
to double its normal size, so an emergency room doctor told him to take 
medicine and a day off from work. But when his bosses later read his 
discharge papers, they deemed them unacceptable, Johnston told 
ProPublica and said in a complaint he filed with OSHA.
    In the complaint and interview, he said Nate Lund, one of his 
supervisors, told him they needed to go back to the emergency room and 
get the papers changed. Johnston said he refused, but Lund insisted. 
``We sat there and sat there and he hounded me and hounded me,'' 
Johnston said. Desperate to go home, Johnston said, he relented. (When 
reached for comment, Lund hung up on a ProPublica reporter and later 
did not respond to questions sent by text.)
    At the hospital in Wabasha, Johnston said Lund took over, telling 
medical staff he needed the paperwork to change. The doctor, Johnston 
recalled, was beside himself, shaking his head in disgust. ``Fucking 
railroad,'' he recalled the doctor saying, and then mouthing to him, 
``Get a lawyer.'' Johnston recalled Lund asking the doctor if he could 
retype the discharge papers. The doctor refused; the most he would do 
is cross out the instructions in pen, leaving the original instructions 
plainly visible.





     The original papers given to Johnston by a doctor. Redacted by 
                ProPublica. Courtesy of Robert Johnston.

    Despite the discomfort in his knee, Johnston said, he went to work 
the next day and his managers were happy to see him and very 
accommodating. ``I mean, they literally would have given me a La-Z-Boy 
and fed me grapes,'' he said. ``They did not want me to do anything, 
but they didn't want me to have a day off. It was really weird.''
    Johnston resigned from the railroad about three weeks after his 
accident. In a statement, Canadian Pacific Kansas City said Johnston's 
story ``does not align with the information [the company] has regarding 
this situation'' and declined to comment further. An OSHA investigation 
is pending.
    An earlier case peels back the pressures managers face when their 
workers get injured.
    In 2015, Pierre Hunter, a general supervisor at Illinois Central 
Railroad, a subsidiary of Canadian National, got a call from a higher-
up after one of his employees, carman Cameron Davis, hit a pothole 
while driving an ATV in a Memphis rail yard and damaged it. Word had 
gotten around that Davis had gotten hurt in the accident.
    Hunter's supervisor Darrell Hoyt wanted Hunter to make sure the 
injury didn't have to be reported, Hunter said in a recorded statement 
with Davis' lawyers. ``You need to get that fixed. Handle it. Do what 
you got to do,'' Hunter said Hoyt advised him. ``Don't put your job on 
the line for another employee.''
    Hunter said he was certain his job hung in the balance as he 
repeatedly called Davis and pressured him not to tell anyone he'd had 
doctors look at his head, which was throbbing and swollen. Davis 
recorded some of the calls, which later became part of a lawsuit 
against the company. ``Just stick to your story if anybody asks. You 
never went to a damn hospital. You ain't injure yourself at all,'' 
Hunter said. ``Don't say shit else to . . . no goddamn body, not a 
fucking soul on CN property.''
    ``What'd the doctor say?'' Hunter continued. ``They give you 
something or they say you'll be all right? . . . No medication, none of 
that shit, right?''
    In the recorded call, he advised Davis to cover the big bump on his 
head with a knit hat so that he wouldn't arouse talk among his co-
workers.
    Hunter later told Davis the best way out of trouble for the 
accident was to sign a statement admitting it was his fault, not tell 
anyone about his injury and take a 15-day suspension without pay. 
``Take my word, they want to get rid of you,'' Hunter recalled telling 
Davis. Davis said he couldn't afford to be off for two weeks, but 
Hunter had a way around that, too: ``Bribe him to not report it,'' he 
said in his statement to Davis' lawyers. While Davis served out his 
suspension, Hunter gave him $1,500.
    Davis ultimately reported the injury anyway. About six months 
later, he was fired, accused of violating safety rules like not 
maintaining the proper distance away from moving equipment and working 
without protective eyewear. ``I was targeted because of what 
happened,'' Davis told ProPublica. ``It was retaliation for the 
injury.''
    Once the railroad heard the taped phone call, it also fired Hunter.
    Emails, calls and social media messages to Hunter went unanswered. 
Hoyt told ProPublica in a message that he didn't remember the affair 
and that it wasn't ``consistent with company policy or my application 
of safety commitments.'' Canadian National settled the case with Davis 
for an undisclosed amount. A spokesperson told ProPublica the railroad 
doesn't comment on ``individual personnel cases.''
    During the 2007 hearings on Capitol Hill, workers testified about 
being left to die by the tracks while railroad managers ignored pleas 
for care. The 2008 update to the Federal Railroad Safety Act required 
the companies to provide ``prompt medical attention'' and mandated that 
railroads bring injured workers to the hospital as soon as they ask.
    About five years after the harrowing congressional testimony, 
outside Chicago, a supervisor was driving a Union Pacific machine 
operator, Jared Whitt, to the hospital. Whitt's lips felt as if they 
were about to burst and his arms and legs tingled, he testified as part 
of a lawsuit he later filed. He closed his eyes and thought about his 
five kids. Was he dying? ``Please,'' he recalled telling his manager: 
``Get me there. Please hurry.''
    Whitt had suffered a heat stroke as June temperatures climbed to 
about 100 degrees, and his manager, work equipment supervisor Dave 
Birt, believed Whitt was going into cardiac arrest, Birt said in his 
deposition. They had just started toward the hospital when Birt's 
cellphone rang. ``Well,'' Whitt heard Birt say, ``what do you want me 
to do?'' A pause. ``I'm no doctor, but when a man's arms are numb and 
tingling, I'd say he needs to go see one.'' Pause. ``I'm pulling 
over.''
    Birt held the phone to Whitt's ear. Whitt couldn't hold it himself 
because his numb arms had retracted, his fists clenched at the top of 
his chest, Whitt said in his pretrial deposition. The man on the other 
end was Birt's boss, manager of track programs Talmage Dalebout. ``Why 
don't we just bring you back here to the job site and get you cooled 
down,'' Whitt recalled Dalebout saying. ``If you get cooled down, 
you'll probably be OK.'' Birt declined to comment when reached by 
ProPublica. Dalebout didn't respond to calls, texts and social media 
messages.
    Union Pacific claims in the lawsuit that Whitt never requested to 
be taken to the hospital and, when Birt says he asked, Whitt chose the 
job site. But experts say workers suffering from heat stroke--a 
potentially life-threatening condition marked by confusion in which 
body temperatures can rise to 106 degrees--lack the faculties to make 
any decision for themselves; someone should always take them to the 
hospital regardless of what a worker requests. In hindsight, Birt said 
later in deposition, he wished they had continued to the hospital.
    Back at the job site, Whitt testified that he remained in Birt's 
truck for some time. A co-worker brought him Gatorade and bottles of 
water. Then he recalled ending up in a trailer, where people were 
pouring cold water over him and his co-workers were rubbing his arms to 
restore circulation, according to Whitt. He didn't get to the hospital 
until some four and a half hours after his body started tingling and 
his consciousness began slipping, according to court records. His 
roommate drove him.
    The heat stroke partially disabled Whitt, he said in his court 
deposition. He no longer had the strength to work at the railroad and 
for years struggled with his left arm and hand, which went numb 
whenever he raised it above his shoulders. Two years later, Whitt had 
surgery to restore movement to his left arm. The surgeon cut away part 
of his left pectoral muscle and removed his left upper rib. Whitt sued 
Union Pacific, and the railroad settled with him for an undisclosed 
sum.
    Whitt, who now works as a home inspector, said he still can't 
believe that a manager intervened to redirect him away from the 
hospital. ``It's unfathomable,'' Whitt told ProPublica. ``I can't 
imagine treating a human that way.'' Today, he says, his arm remains 
tight, with a limited range of motion and numb at the armpit.
    The cautionary incident didn't appear to influence what happened 
three years later, when another Union Pacific worker fell ill on a 
blistering hot day in Kansas, according to records from a lawsuit he 
later filed.
    Guillermo Herrera worked in the same road crew as Whitt, which 
roves throughout the company's western region repairing tracks. On July 
26, 2015, Herrera's worried co-workers called higher-ups. The track 
repairman had vomited and was out of it, according to the court 
records. When the bosses came to get Herrera, he needed assistance 
getting into a pickup truck. He whispered a plea for help into his 
foreman's ear; ``Ayudame,'' he said, according to a court deposition.
    Considering the shape he was in, Herrera's co-workers assumed he 
was being taken to a hospital, they testified. And indeed, there was 
one 21 minutes away. But instead, track supervisor Charley Diaz drove 
him to a job site to cool down, according to his deposition. The job 
site was about an hour away.
    Once again, Union Pacific defended its actions, saying that Herrera 
would have been taken to a hospital if he had asked, and that Herrera 
at one point said he wanted to go back to his motel room. (Herrera 
contends that he was in and out of consciousness but kept saying the 
word ``hospital.'') Either way, Diaz himself suggested he was concerned 
about Herrera's mental state. ``I told him to stay awake,'' Diaz 
testified. ``I didn't want him going to sleep or anything like that, so 
I just watched him and asked him how he was feeling mostly.'' (Diaz did 
not respond to calls and text messages.)
    Diaz drove Herrera to the job briefing site, a boxcar office on 
wheels. Safety captain Bobby Steely testified that he checked on 
Herrera in the truck several times, each time asking him if he wanted 
to go to a hospital. (Steely declined to comment when reached by 
ProPublica.) After about 20 minutes, he said, Herrera finally said yes.
    Herrera was ultimately diagnosed with heat stroke, which profoundly 
altered his life.
    In the year that followed, he later testified, he could no longer 
drive safely or get a decent night of sleep. His morning walk around 
the block was so difficult, he had to sit down for a half hour or so 
until the tingling in his legs dissipated. His days were all about rest 
and heat avoidance, and he did physical therapy six hours a week. His 
family barred him from the kitchen because his memory issues had caused 
him to start two small fires.
    He sued Union Pacific in 2015, a case that settled for an 
undisclosed amount. Union Pacific did not comment on either of the 
cases, but a company spokesperson said in a statement that nothing is 
more important than safety. ``Employees complete annual training on how 
to respond to and handle injuries,'' the spokesperson said.
    An injury can paint a target on a worker's back, ProPublica found.
    It happened to Montana conductor Zachary Wooten, who damaged his 
right wrist so severely in 2015 after falling from a BNSF train that he 
needed surgery. The culprit, he said, was a defective latch on the 
train; he struggled to open it and felt a stab of pain as his wrist 
popped. When he tried to climb back up onto the engine after inspecting 
the train, his wrist gave way and he fell to the ground.
    From that moment forward, court and company records show, his 
supervisors and BNSF lawyers searched for ways he could have come to 
work already hurt. ``They always tried to blame it on something else 
that happened at home and say you dragged it into work,'' said Wooten's 
union representative, retired switch foreman Mark Voelker.
    According to records from an internal company hearing, a 
superintendent of operations had visited 27-year-old Wooten when he was 
in the emergency room and asked him how he got a scrape on his other 
arm. Wooten, who was on pain medication, told the manager he got the 
rug burn during sex a day before the injury--an episode that also 
involved his bed breaking. The company took that morsel of information 
and used it to insinuate that's also how he damaged his hand, records 
show. ``I am not comfortable answering questions about my sex life,'' 
Wooten told railroad officials during the internal hearing.
    ProPublica learned of other unusual arguments used to blame 
workers, and not safety hazards, for their injuries. Machinist Bobby 
Moran was wearing his company-issued safety gloves in 2019 when one got 
caught in a lathe, snapping bones from his forearm down and severing a 
finger; another damaged finger later had to be surgically amputated. 
Union Pacific fired him after accusing him of using the equipment in 
the Arkansas yard for personal reasons, perhaps to manufacture a 
firearm silencer. ``I was fearful,'' Moran said. ``Me and my wife were 
thinking, `When is the FBI going to show up?' ''
    Moran said he had been creating a piece of equipment that would 
improve the functionality of a hydraulic pump he and his fellow 
machinists worked with in the repair shop; his legal team showed the 
railroad's attorneys the device's schematics and a video of it working 
just as he said it would. According to Moran's lawyer, Union Pacific 
never provided evidence to support its weapon theory before it settled 
the case. Union Pacific did not comment on it.
    As for Wooten, BNSF pulled several angles of videos to show how, in 
the hours before the accident, he appeared to be favoring his right 
wrist by using his left hand. What the company didn't know is that, 
according to Wooten, he is ambidextrous, as adept with one hand as with 
the other. Two months after his accident, the company fired him, 
accusing him of lying about his injury. Then, when Voelker gave 
information to Wooten's attorney about the unrepaired loose handle on 
the locomotive, he, too, was fired. His dismissal letter cited his 
``misconduct and failure to comply with instructions when you disclosed 
confidential BNSF business information.''
    A jury believed Wooten's story, finding he was wrongfully 
terminated in retaliation for his on-the-job injury; he was awarded 
$3.1 million. U.S. District Judge Dana L. Christensen denied the 
company's appeal, calling BNSF officials' testimony biased, unreliable, 
inconsistent and lacking in credibility. ``They latched on to an early 
formed presumption that Wooten was being dishonest that jaded their 
treatment of Wooten throughout,'' the judge said. The company settled 
with Voelker over his wrongful firing claim.
    BNSF has lost at least three cases in recent years in which it 
tried to allege a worker faked or exaggerated their injuries. In one, 
the company fired a worker in 2020 who suffered neck and back injuries 
in a crash because a private investigator surveilled him exercising at 
the gym--part of a physical therapy and a workout regimen ordered by 
his doctor. OSHA described the behavior as a ``knowing and callous'' 
disregard for his rights and found merit to his argument that he was 
retaliated against for getting hurt. The company settled his case in 
court in May.
    BNSF did not comment on any cases but said it prohibits retaliation 
against employees for reporting injuries or safety concerns. ``We take 
any alleged violation of those policies very seriously,'' the company 
said in a statement.
    Former managers interviewed by ProPublica said their companies 
foster a culture in which every injury claim is treated with 
skepticism. The presumption, one said, is: ``How is the person trying 
to [screw] me? How can we prove he's lying?''
    ProPublica obtained about 10 hours of recorded railroad manager 
phone meetings that give a window into how supervisors discuss injuries 
and their efforts to catch employees violating rules. They took place 
among Norfolk Southern managers in its Tennessee region between January 
and April of 2016 and were led by Division Superintendent Carl Wilson 
and Assistant Division Superintendent Shannon Mason. Wilson, whose 
LinkedIn page describes him as retired, did not respond to calls, text 
messages, social media messages and a letter sent to his home. Mason, 
who is still with the company, declined to comment. Norfolk Southern 
wouldn't answer ProPublica's questions about the calls, only saying 
that they were ``routine and focus on safety.''
    While the meetings were indeed largely devoted to business like 
company performance, productivity and safety, the tenor changed nearly 
every time an injury was brought up, as Wilson and the other 
supervisors expressed incredulity that it was legitimate and discussed 
ways the injury could be proven to have been the employee's fault.
    In one call, they discussed an employee who also owned a motorcycle 
repossession business and questioned whether the injury could have 
happened there. Wilson told the managers he asked for surveillance of 
the engineer. ``Hopefully he messes up,'' Wilson can be heard saying in 
the call.
    On another call, Wilson described one 67-year-old employee with a 
shoulder injury as a ``piece of work'' and insisted he was trying to 
get out of a training session. The managers cast doubt on another 
employee who said he was attacked by bees: ``If there was anything, it 
looked more like a shaving bump.'' Wilson, in another call, lamented 
losing the chance to fire an employee before he injured himself by 
slipping and hitting his head: ``Quite honestly, he got us before we 
could get him.'' And when they brought up a female conductor who felt 
her knee pop when she stepped onto a train, the conversation turned to 
her weight.
    ``She's a big gal,'' said Wilson, who also referred to her as 
``cheerful.'' ``Her joints, her knees are gonna wear out eventually 
sooner than most of us simply because we don't carry the amount of 
weight that she carries.'' He joked that if another manager had run her 
out of the company earlier, they ``wouldn't have this problem.''
    The comments disgusted the worker, Amy Simmons, who called the 
discussion ``embarrassing'' and ``unprofessional'' when ProPublica 
shared the recording with her. She said that railroaders' knees wear 
out because they are asked to walk mile after mile along rocky ballast 
and the company has cut staffing to the bone, demanding more and more 
from each employee. ``They're wearing us out because they won't give 
help,'' she said. ``It's not my weight. If anything, it's the fact that 
they overwork us.''
    She has since left the industry and said she regretted the amount 
of time she wasted and all that she sacrificed trying to be a good 
employee. To her, the calls illuminate the way railroad companies truly 
see their workers.
    ``They hire you to fire you,'' she said. ``They don't care.''

                                 
Article entitled, ``It Looks Like the Railroad Is Asking for You To Say 
   Thank You,'' by Jessica Lussenhop and Topher Sanders, ProPublica, 
 December 19, 2023, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Donald M. Payne, 
                                  Jr.
     It Looks Like the Railroad Is Asking for You To Say Thank You
by Jessica Lussenhop and Topher Sanders

ProPublica, December 19, 2023, 6 a.m. EST
https://www.propublica.org/article/trains-railroad-kcs-kansas-city-
southern-injuries-lawsuit
 After brakeman Chris Cole lost both his legs on the job, railroad 
        officials removed evidence before state regulators could see 
        it, omitted key facts in reports and suspended him from a job 
        he could never return to.
        
        
  Former brakeman Chris Cole lost both of his legs while working for 
     Kansas City Southern Railway Company. Credit: Bryan Birks for 
                               ProPublica

    Chris Cole lay on his back in the gravel beside the railroad 
tracks, staring up at the overcast sky above Godfrey, Illinois. He 
could not see below his waist--a co-worker had thrown himself over 
Cole's body to spare him the sight, although the man couldn't keep 
himself from repeating: ``Oh my god, Chris. Oh my god.'' So, instead of 
looking down where his legs and feet should have been, Cole looked up. 
What's going to happen to my family? he remembered thinking.
    Moments earlier, Cole--a 45-year-old brakeman, engineer and 
conductor with over two decades of experience working on the 
railroads--had attempted a maneuver he'd done many times: hoisting 
himself onto a locomotive as it moved past him. Although dangerous, 
Cole's employer, Kansas City Southern Railway Company, did not prohibit 
workers from climbing on and off equipment that was moving at a 
``walking speed.'' In fact, the company went from banning the practice 
in the mid-'90s to steadily increasing the permissible speed at which 
workers could attempt to climb onboard, a change other freight 
companies would also adopt in keeping with the spirit of a modern 
strategy to move cargo as quickly as possible.
    As he pulled himself up onto the rolling train, Cole said he felt 
something strike his right shoulder--a rectangular metal sign close to 
the tracks that read ``DERAIL.'' He lost his balance and slipped 
beneath the wheels of a graffiti-covered boxcar. The train crushed and 
nearly severed his right foot and his left leg at the knee.
    Somehow Cole maintained consciousness, calling his co-workers for 
help before undoing his belt to tie a tourniquet around one of his 
legs. As the engineer dialed 911, the conductor ran to Cole's side and 
used his own belt to tie a second tourniquet around the other leg. A 
crew of firefighters arrived within minutes. They loaded him onto a 
medical helicopter that airlifted Cole to an emergency room in St. 
Louis, just across the nearby Missouri border.
    Cole awoke in the middle of the night alone in a hospital room; it 
was April 2020, just a month after the surging coronavirus was declared 
a pandemic. Neither his wife nor his daughter were allowed to visit, 
and so he was alone when a trauma nurse informed him that he lost both 
of his legs. Cole, a burly man who once stood 6 feet tall, knew his 
railroading career was over, as were his hopes of providing enough so 
that his wife--who'd recently been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis--
could stay at home with their 12-year-old daughter.
    The next morning, Cole called his manager to tell him that he was 
alive. Afterward, the manager wrote an email to other members of the 
company summarizing Cole's description of the accident: ``Upon mounting 
equipment he stated there was a derail sign that struck him off of the 
engine and he fell.''
    But within days, according to company and court records, Cole's 
managers and higher-ups at the rail company began to shape a new 
narrative--one that erased the role of the sign, leaving Cole solely at 
fault, entitled to nothing under the railroad industry's version of 
workers' compensation for his devastating injuries.
    ``The culture of management is that we are going to cover ourselves 
and cover the railroad and make sure that it doesn't look bad in the 
public eye,'' Cole said. ``And if we got to bury one of our employees, 
or somebody else, we're going to do that.''
    In many ways, the fight centered on the metal derail sign. Within 
48 hours of the accident, before state regulators had a chance to 
examine it, the sign was gone.
    Railroad companies have a long history of hiding injuries, as 
ProPublica recently reported. But in some catastrophes like Cole's, in 
which the injuries are so grievous they can't be denied, ProPublica 
found that companies moved almost immediately to cover up their 
culpability.
    Some attempts to deny the causes of accidents obscured safety 
hazards, such as faulty latches, which could have put more workers at 
risk, ProPublica found. Others took actions that made worker injuries 
far worse.
    In 2014, after two BNSF workers in Minneapolis breathed in a cloud 
of highly toxic chemicals that may have vented from passing rail cars, 
managers claimed that the men were exposed to a far less dangerous 
substance. One of the workers, Scott Kowalewski, suffered severe, 
permanent neurological damage. The other later died by suicide, a 
tragedy that was impossible to incontrovertibly link to the accident.
    When Kowalewski sued, BNSF claimed that he didn't say he was 
exposed to the more toxic material until three-and-a-half years after 
the incident and maintained throughout the case that his deteriorating 
health had nothing to do with the exposure. But a jury sided with 
Kowalewski in 2018 and awarded him $15.3 million. And a judge concluded 
that the railroad's ``misrepresentation prevented Kowalewski from 
receiving appropriate medical treatment that might have remediated his 
injury.'' The judge ordered BNSF to pay an additional $5.8 million 
penalty for its misconduct, writing that the extent of it was ``vast, 
and spans from the outset of its initial sham investigation.''
    Cole's case wasn't even the first involving a railroad sign. 
Bradley Anderson was riding on the side ladder of a rail car in 2019 
when he struck his head on a milepost sign that was too close to the 
tracks. He was diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury. Officials from 
his company, BNSF, pulled the sign out of the ground before its 
position was adequately documented.
    This July, the federal judge on Anderson's case excoriated the 
company. ``Despite receiving multiple court admonitions for destroying 
and concealing evidence, BNSF engaged in the same type of misconduct 
here,'' U.S. District Judge Rebecca Goodgame Ebinger wrote in an order, 
declaring that the company was responsible for Anderson's injury, and 
approved sanctions for the damage caused by the ``bad faith'' removal 
of the sign. The case eventually settled.
    She also said she was forwarding the case to the Iowa Supreme Court 
Attorney Disciplinary Board and the Illinois Attorney Registration and 
Disciplinary Commission, ``in the event either body should see fit to 
initiate an investigation into an apparent abuse of legal procedure.''
    Neither of those bodies would disclose to ProPublica whether they 
had received the judge's referral or whether they planned to act on the 
information.
    In civil litigation, it falls on workers' attorneys to prove 
companies tampered with evidence. If a judge agrees, they can sanction 
the companies for millions of dollars or, in an extreme case, even 
enter a default judgment for the worker. (The judges in Kowalewski's 
and Anderson's cases entered such default judgments against BNSF.) But 
outside of those repercussions, there is little else in terms of 
punishment for companies that repeat the behavior. ``It comes out in an 
individual case,'' said Daniel Gourash, editor of the American Bar 
Association book ``Spoliation of Evidence.'' ``The sanction that would 
be given would not be because of a habitual spoliation activity or 
conduct or behavior.''
    BNSF did not comment on either case but said in a statement that 
``the safety of our employees always has been and always will be a 
priority. We believe that's reflected in our safety culture and record 
over the last decade, which produced the lowest number of injuries in 
our railroad's history.''
    In a statement to ProPublica on the Cole case, a Canadian Pacific 
Kansas City spokesperson denied that any of its actions were an attempt 
to avoid culpability. (This year, Kansas City Southern Railway Company 
merged with Canadian Pacific Railway.)
    ``Through a thorough investigation that lasted several months, 
Kansas City Southern sought to determine how the incident occurred so 
appropriate action could be taken to prevent such an incident from 
happening again,'' the company said.
    Within hours of Cole's accident, a bevy of Kansas City Southern 
supervisors from across the region converged at the scene. They took 
pictures. They stayed until dark fell.
    Early the next morning, Cole called two of his managers from his 
hospital bed: assistant trainmaster Michael Cline and Chris Knox, 
general manager of the KCS North Division. Cline sent two emails to 
several managers at the company: ``He stated there was a derail sign 
that struck him off of the engine and he fell between the engine and 
cars where the incident took place with the dismemberment of his 
legs.'' Cline told ProPublica he would check with his employer before 
commenting but then did not respond further. Knox didn't respond to 
calls or text messages.
    A short time later, four inspectors from the Federal Railroad 
Administration gathered at the scene along with KCS managers. An FRA 
operating practices inspector named Larry Piper wrote up his initial 
findings about what happened to Cole.
    ``His body struck a derail sign on a metal post adjacent to the 
pass track, knocking him off the locomotive and to the ground,'' the 
report stated, adding that railroad and FRA officials watched video 
footage captured on a nearby security camera. ``Even though the quality 
was not perfect, it did substantiate what the employee was saying,'' 
the report said.
    Piper communicated those findings to a member of the Illinois 
Commerce Commission, the agency that performs inspections and enforces 
state regulations on the railroad, including sign placement.
    ``It appeared to him that the derail post sign was too close to the 
rail,'' recalled Dennis Mogan, the ICC railroad safety specialist, in a 
deposition. ``The FRA didn't have any regulations on that, and he 
thought that the state did and that we should take a look.''
    But before that could happen, KCS roadmaster Jeffrey Brickey 
removed the sign and pulled its pole from the ground entirely. He also 
covered the hole left behind.
    ``We're not supposed to leave any divots or anything like that for 
trainmen to walk on, so yeah, I cleaned it up,'' he testified. Brickey 
did not respond to ProPublica's requests for comment.
    By the time a railroad safety specialist from the ICC named Troy 
Fredericks arrived about a week later, the sign was long gone. When 
Fredericks asked Brickey about it, he said Brickey ``couldn't discuss'' 
the sign and ``would not talk about'' the injury incident. The company 
did not comment on whether it had been forthright with Illinois 
regulators; the ICC told ProPublica that Brickey was ``responsive to 
ICC Staff's concern in the days after the incident.'' Before Fredericks 
left the accident scene, he made note of a completely different sign 
not far away that he said was positioned too close to the railroad 
tracks and then left.
    Around the same time that the sign disappeared from the site, it 
also began to fade from the railroad company's narrative of the 
incident, despite the existence of the FRA's initial report confirming 
Cole's account. Wendell Campbell, an assistant division superintendent 
who was one of the first to arrive in Godfrey after the accident, wrote 
on an employee injury form that the sign struck Cole. But in subsequent 
paperwork, Campbell omitted any mention of the sign: ``Employee was 
trying to board moving equipment.'' Campbell declined to comment when 
reached by ProPublica.
    In a deposition, Mary Lyn Villanueva, the KCS employee in charge of 
submitting information to the FRA, said that before she filed her 
report, she had several conversations with the company's claim agents, 
who investigate accidents and injuries on behalf of the railroad. 
Villanueva, who had access to both versions of the story Campbell 
submitted, also omitted any mention of the sign. Through a company 
spokesperson, she declined to comment to ProPublica.
    In its statement, Canadian Pacific Kansas City said it ``filled out 
the FRA-required forms properly, noting the cause of the incident was 
still under investigation at the time.'' The company denied that it 
misled the FRA, saying the sign was measured and photographed in the 
presence of agency officials and then removed.
    But according to Nelson Wolff, Cole's attorney, leaving the sign 
out of subsequent paperwork was not a harmless omission. ``It was part 
of an obvious attempt to change the narrative and to conceal evidence 
that the sign was the actual cause,'' he said.
    Less than a week after the accident, managers made another 
decision: They wanted Cole, who in his 11-year career with the company 
had never been injured, investigated for rule violations. The company 
issued him a notice, which Cole initially did not receive--he was still 
in the hospital, going in and out of surgeries to save what remained of 
his legs.
    Six weeks after the incident, the hospital finally cleared Cole to 
go home. But there was no home to go to.
    The Coles' previous apartment was on the second floor of a building 
with no elevator and no way to navigate it in a wheelchair. Instead, 
Cole checked into an Extended Stay America hotel, where he was finally 
reunited with his wife, Iris, and his daughter, Lily.
    Although grateful to see him in person for the first time in over a 
month, the meeting was a shock for Iris and Lily--it was the first time 
they'd seen him without his legs, and his wounds were still fresh. ``I 
gave him the biggest hug, but I looked down at his legs,'' recalled 
Iris, who confessed in court to being squeamish around blood. ``He had 
a wound vac on the right leg, and how I did not pass out, I don't 
know.''
    The meeting was emotional but brief. Cole's wife and daughter left 
to finish putting their belongings into storage. The family continued 
living separately for months before finding a wheelchair-accessible 
apartment. In the process, the Coles racked up over $10,000 in hotel 
room costs.
    A little over a week after Cole got out of the hospital, his union 
representative wheeled him into a small hotel conference room in East 
St. Louis, Illinois, to hear the railroad's case against him. They were 
joined by Brandi Foulk, the engineer, and Brian Loy, the conductor; it 
was the first time all three had seen one another since Cole was 
airlifted away.
    In front of a presiding officer from Kansas City Southern, Cole's 
manager Campbell made the argument: He said Cole attempted to mount a 
locomotive going faster than 4 miles per hour, or walking speed, 
without first notifying Foulk by radio, a violation of a KCS rule. A 
second KCS manager presented data from the train's black box recorder, 
which he said showed that the locomotive reached 8 miles per hour at 
some point before it stopped, though he acknowledged it was possible 
Cole tried to board at 4 miles per hour.
    Though Campbell knew Cole reported being struck by the sign, he 
made no mention of it. Both Foulk and Loy tried to speak up for Cole, 
saying they believed it was possible the train was going closer to 4 
miles per hour when he made the attempted boarding.
    ``Chris is one of the safest people I've ever worked with,'' Foulk 
said. ``Him not saying something to me on the radio just let me know 
that he felt safe enough to get on equipment going the speed that it 
was going.''
    The hearing took less than an hour and a half. A week later, the 
railroad determined Cole broke the rule and gave him a 30-day 
suspension, despite the obvious fact that he would never be able to 
return to work on the railroad again. Cole, who was still in acute pain 
at the time of the investigation, did not raise the issue of the sign 
at the hearing, which he later regretted. At the same time, he said he 
knew he'd be found at fault regardless. The company did not respond to 
ProPublica's questions about the disciplinary proceedings against Cole.
    It is a common refrain among rail workers that the companies' 
internal investigative hearing process is a ``kangaroo court.'' 
Hearings typically run like this: They are presided over by railroad 
managers, workers are not allowed to have their lawyer represent them 
and they cannot force the railroad to turn over evidence for their 
defense. In a case against Norfolk Southern, a railroad manager who 
served as the presiding officer in about 50 investigative hearings 
estimated that she found in favor of the employee only once. The 
hearings are often a precursor to firings, and when Occupational Safety 
and Health Administration officials have weighed in on subsequent 
wrongful termination claims, they wrote that hearings were ``at best 
perfunctory'' and not ``fair and impartial,'' and ``showed bias.'' 
After employees sue, the rail companies frequently settle with workers 
they claim to have proven were fully at fault. In other cases, the 
workers have gone on to huge jury verdict wins.
    ``If you go to an investigation, you have already been found 
guilty,'' Cole told ProPublica. ``My ends were hurting, and I just 
wanted to get out of there and get it over with.''
    Still, he admitted he was surprised that the company was in such a 
hurry to discipline him.
    ``That's when I kind of lost all faith in them,'' he said.
    In the fall of 2022, when Cole's civil trial against Kansas City 
Southern Railway Company began in St. Louis County Circuit Court, a 
central figure in the case reemerged: the derail sign. Almost as 
mysteriously as it had disappeared, the sign was back.
    According to the lawyers for the railroad, there was a third 
version of events: They now admitted the sign was placed too close to 
the tracks on the day of the accident, by about 1 1/2 to 2 feet, in 
violation of Illinois law. But Cole, they argued, never hit the sign. 
Therefore, the sign and who had placed it too close to the tracks and 
where it went after the roadmaster removed it and why it went was all 
moot. They even used the sign to demonstrate to the jury that it was 
too ``flimsy'' to knock a 245-pound man off balance. (Although fighting 
nerves, Cole was amused at one point when one of the lawyers banged 
loudly into it. Doesn't sound flimsy to me, he thought.)
    Throughout the two-week trial, the railroad's legal team presented 
a more robust version of the same case it had made in Cole's internal 
hearing in June 2020: that he boarded a moving train when it was going 
too fast, in violation of company rules and general safety best 
practices. They added a roster of three expert witnesses who 
reconstructed the scene using imperfect videos--one from locomotive 
cameras that missed the fall and one from a nearby warehouse that was 
grainy and far away; the company's experts enhanced them with 3D 
computer modeling to show Cole slipped on his own. The true culprit, 
they argued, was rule violations. ``If you follow the rules, you don't 
get hurt,'' the lawyer told the jury.
    Cole's attorney, Wolff, countered with his own expert, who argued 
the same videos plausibly showed Cole hitting something before falling. 
Wolff also argued that there was no safe speed for getting onto and off 
of moving trains and that companies like KCS that had once prohibited 
the activity were now walking the policies back to keep freight moving 
faster. Brandon Ogden, an expert witness and former BNSF manager, 
blamed this on the industry's increasing reliance on precision 
scheduled railroading, a business philosophy that prioritizes maximum 
efficiency. ``It's all about moving faster, increasing production and 
boosting profits,'' Ogden testified. ``It negatively affects safety of 
railroad employees.''
    Cole's daughter, Lily, and wife, Iris, testified about the 
difference the accident made in their lives. His daughter, by then 15, 
called her dad a ``knight in shining armor'' who could no longer go 
swimming or ice skating with her. His wife described how the family was 
adapting to Cole's new physical limitations in some ways, while others 
remained a struggle. ``He is quick to get upset over things. I mean, 
really, really quick,'' she said. ``We have to tell Chris, don't do 
that. Please don't do that.''
    When Cole was called to the stand, he told the jury the story: how 
he'd felt the sign strike his shoulder before his fall, about his long, 
ongoing recovery, sometimes feeling ``worthless'' now that he could not 
take care of his family. At one point, he removed his prosthetics for 
the jury, demonstrating the system of liners, pushpins, buckles and 
Velcro straps.
    On cross-examination, the railroad's lawyer grilled Cole on his 
understanding of the safety rules about boarding moving trains. He 
played the videos of the incident again, urging Cole to admit that his 
memory of hitting the sign was faulty or that his own poor decisions 
caused the fall. Cole stuck to his version of events.
    ``While we all do recognize you have suffered a very, very 
significant injury, you would agree with me that it has allowed you to 
develop stronger relationships with your wife and daughter?'' the 
lawyer asked Cole at one point. ``While you loved your job at the 
railroad, that took you away from your family, yes?''
    On redirect, Wolff turned the line of questioning around.
    ``It looks like the railroad is asking for you to say thank you,'' 
he said to Cole. ``Would you rather be out there working on the 
railroad, providing for your family like you had been doing for decades 
. . . being able to walk on your own two feet?''
    ``That is correct,'' Cole responded. ``Yes.''
    Wolff left the jury with a succinct explanation for the sign's 
appearance, disappearance and reappearance in the railroad company's 
narrative: ``cover-up.'' The railroad vehemently denied it.
    After the long, contentious trial, and just under five hours of 
deliberation, the jury returned with its verdict, agreeing that Kansas 
City Southern had violated Illinois sign clearance law. It determined 
that Cole was 21% at fault for his accident, while the railroad company 
was responsible for 79%. The jury awarded Cole $12 million.
    ``A big weight lifted off my shoulders,'' Cole said of the moment 
he heard the verdict. ``Someday, we're going to be fine.''
    After the verdict, Kansas City Railway filed an appeal, which is 
ongoing. Company officials reiterated to ProPublica that they still do 
not believe Cole hit the sign before he fell. Read the full Canadian 
Pacific Kansas City statement here. [https://www.documentcloud.org/
documents/24229139-cpkc-propublica-statement]
    While he awaits the outcome, Cole works part-time during baseball 
season with Iris, greeting customers at the St. Louis Cardinals team 
store near the downtown stadium. Cole enjoys it, so long as he can 
steer clear of the rowdy baseball crowds that jostle his wheelchair. He 
cringes when fans thank him for his service, replying simply that he 
got hurt at work.
    In the short term, he focuses on becoming more mobile on his 
prosthetics. Lily is 16 years old now, and Cole figures he still has 
time to learn to walk before he escorts her down the aisle at her 
wedding.
    Though he said he doesn't dwell much on the former railroad 
colleagues who tried to discredit him, he wonders why regulatory 
agencies don't do more to discipline managers and companies.
    ``Instead of maybe a fine, why don't you put somebody in jail?'' he 
asked. ``Maybe they'll learn better that way and stuff will stop 
happening like this.''
    Both the ICC and the FRA decided Cole's accident warranted no 
further investigation. Neither agency issued any kind of penalty or 
fine.
    A spokesperson for the ICC said it has authority to issue fines 
only after putting the railroad on notice of a violation and then 
holding a hearing, and that because the company ``corrected the 
violation''--by removing the sign--the commission did not pursue the 
matter.
    Following its practice at the time, the FRA never finalized its 
initial report concluding that Cole hit the sign and didn't share it 
with anyone until ProPublica asked questions about the accident this 
month. It's unclear how the report would have changed any element of 
the legal fight, but Cole finds it disappointing that the regulator 
didn't take a more aggressive role in holding the railroad accountable.
    ``That is what the FRA is supposed to do, it is supposed to monitor 
and to sanction railroads when they do wrong,'' he said. ``You go out 
and you say, `Hey, you know, this sign was definitely way too close to 
the track and you had an employee got hurt, but we're just going to 
tuck it in a drawer somewhere, we're just going to forget about it.' . 
. . That's what's disappointing.''
    The regulators, he went on, had nothing to lose, while Cole, in his 
words, ``lost everything, pretty much.''

Dan Schwartz contributed reporting. Gabriel Sandoval contributed 
research.

    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, sir. I now recognize the ranking 
member of the full committee, Mr. Larsen, for 5 minutes for an 
opening statement.

 OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RICK LARSEN OF WASHINGTON, RANKING 
     MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you, Chair Nehls and 
Ranking Member Payne, for holding today's hearing on rail 
safety, and safety in every mode of transportation should 
always be this committee's top priority.
    Since the Norfolk Southern derailment in East Palestine, 
Ohio, committee Democrats have been calling for a rail safety 
hearing and rail safety legislation. In fact, in May of 2023, 
every T&I Democrat signed a letter asking for a rail safety 
hearing highlighting the dozens of outstanding rail safety 
recommendations from the National Transportation Safety Board. 
Today's hearing is an opportunity to learn about those 
recommendations and what Congress can do.
    Nearly 1 year ago, we all watched as a giant plume of toxic 
fumes was released into the sky after the train derailment in 
East Palestine. Fortunately, no one died in that derailment, 
but it remains a stark reminder of why we need to be vigilant 
about rail safety. The NTSB held a field hearing in East 
Palestine and took the unusual step of initiating its own 
investigation into the safety culture of Norfolk Southern.
    This incident was by no means the only rail accident that 
occurred last year; there have been more than 1,500 train 
accidents since the one in East Palestine. Among those: a 
middle-of-the-night evacuation was required in Raymond, 
Minnesota, where a BNSF train derailed; a CSX derailment that 
required an evacuation of Livingston, Kentucky, just before 
Thanksgiving; CSX had three employee fatalities last year, two 
of whom were conductor trainees in Maryland; and in Skagit 
County, Washington, in my district, BNSF had locomotives derail 
along Padilla Bay, spilling thousands of gallons of fuel. In 
Washington State alone, over the last 5 years, there were 193 
train accidents, 71 grade crossing incidents, and 167 railroad 
right-of-way trespasser fatalities.
    Communities around the country are looking to Congress to 
act. Over 400 local officials sent a letter last March asking 
us to address rail safety, including Mayor Geoffrey Thomas of 
Monroe, Washington, and then-Mayor Jill Boudreau of Mount 
Vernon, Washington.
    There is promising news. Over the last 40 years, railroads 
have seen a decline in the number of accidents or incidents. In 
1983, the U.S. had approximately 20,000 rail accidents and 
incidents a year; today, we are down to around 4,400. That is a 
significant improvement, but there is still an upward trend 
over the last decade in accidents and incidents per million 
train-miles.
    And communities across the country face challenges with 
railroads blocking crossings. At least 37 States, including 
Indiana, Ohio, Louisiana, and South Dakota, have passed laws 
prohibiting stopped trains from blocking crossings, but 
railroads have fought State efforts in court. The problem is, 
including for communities in my district, there are no Federal 
requirements.
    Blocked crossings pose safety risks. Frustrated drivers may 
attempt to clear the crossing before a train arrives, or 
pedestrians, including children on their way to school, as the 
ranking member has pointed out, may crawl between stopped 
railcars. There were more than 22,000 reports of blocked 
crossings last year, most due to a parked train. First 
responders have been unable to cross tracks, and nearly one-
quarter of the time, pedestrians were observed on, over, or 
through the train cars.
    So, while the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding will 
help address these problems, public funding cannot be the only 
response to this issue. The BIL was a monumental achievement 
that supercharged investment in rail with $102 billion in 
planned funding. Many of these investments will improve safety, 
along with making service improvements. And to date, the FRA 
has announced about $26.7 billion in BIL funding for 238 rail 
projects nationwide.
    Among the recipients was the city of Burlington, 
Washington, in my district, which received a planning grant to 
identify which 1 of its 16 at-grade crossings is most suitable 
for a grade separation, and I am pleased the city is able to 
move forward now with this project, thanks to BIL funding.
    I expect great results for communities from these grants 
and additional rail funding to come because there is more to 
do. I look forward to this committee passing legislation to 
address rail safety concerns. This hearing and future 
discussions with communities who have rail service, the people 
who are impacted by derailments, and the employees who operate 
the railroads will inform the development of legislative 
solutions.
    With that, I want to thank the witnesses for being here 
today.
    [Mr. Larsen of Washington's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
 Prepared Statement of Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress 
    from the State of Washington, and Ranking Member, Committee on 
                   Transportation and Infrastructure
    Thank you, Chairman Nehls and Ranking Member Payne, for holding 
today's hearing on rail safety.
    Safety in every mode of transportation should always be this 
Committee's top priority.
    Since the Norfolk Southern derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, 
Committee Democrats have been calling for a rail safety hearing and 
rail safety legislation.
    In May 2023, every T&I Democrat signed a letter asking for a rail 
safety hearing highlighting the dozens of outstanding rail safety 
recommendations from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).
    Today's hearing is an opportunity to learn about those 
recommendations, and what Congress can do.
    Nearly one year ago, we all watched as a giant plume of toxic fumes 
was released into the sky after the train derailment in East Palestine.
    Fortunately, no one died in that derailment, but it remains a stark 
reminder why we need to be vigilant about rail safety.
    The NTSB held a field hearing in East Palestine and took the 
unusual step of initiating its own investigation into the safety 
culture of Norfolk Southern.
    The East Palestine incident was by no means the only rail accident 
that occurred last year.
    There have been more than 1,500 train accidents since the one in 
East Palestine. Among these:
      A middle of the night evacuation was required in Raymond, 
Minnesota, when a BNSF train derailed.
      A CSX derailment that required an evacuation of 
Livingston, Kentucky, just before Thanksgiving.
      CSX had three employee fatalities last year, two of whom 
were conductor trainees in Maryland.
      In Skagit County, Washington, in my district, BNSF had 
locomotives derail along Padilla Bay, spilling thousands of gallons of 
fuel.

    In Washington state alone, over the last five years there were 193 
train accidents, 71 grade crossing incidents, and 167 railroad right-
of-way trespasser fatalities.
    Communities around the country are looking to Congress to act. Over 
400 local officials sent a letter last March asking us to address rail 
safety--including Mayor Geoffrey Thomas of Monroe, Washington, and 
then-Mayor Jill Boudreau of Mount Vernon, Washington.
    There is promising news. Over the last 40 years, railroads have 
seen a decline in the number of accidents or incidents.
    In 1983, the United States had approximately 20,000 rail accidents 
and incidents a year. Today, we are down to around 4,400.
    That is a significant improvement--but there is still an upward 
trend over the last decade in the accidents and incidents per million 
train miles.
    Communities across the country face challenges with railroads 
blocking crossings.
    At least 37 states including Indiana, Ohio, Louisiana and South 
Dakota have passed laws prohibiting stopped trains from blocking 
crossings but railroads have fought state efforts in court.
    The problem is, including for communities in my district, there are 
no federal requirements.
    Blocked crossings pose safety risks--frustrated drivers may attempt 
to clear the crossing before a train arrives or pedestrians, including 
children on their way to school, may crawl between stopped railcars.
    There were more than 22,000 reports of blocked crossings last 
year--most due to a parked train. First responders have been unable to 
cross tracks. And nearly a quarter of the time pedestrians were 
observed on, over, or through the train cars.
    While Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) funding will help address 
these problems, public funding cannot be the only response to this 
issue.
    The BIL was a monumental achievement that supercharged investment 
in rail with $102 billion in planned funding.
    Many of these investments will improve safety, along with making 
service improvements.
    To date, FRA has announced $26.7 billion in BIL funding for 238 
rail projects nationwide.
    Among the recipients was the City of Burlington, in my district, 
which received a planning grant to identify which one of its 16 at-
grade crossings is most suitable for grade separation. I am pleased the 
city is able to move forward with this project, thanks to BIL funding.
    I expect great results for communities from these grants and 
additional rail funding to come because there is more to do.
    I look forward to this Committee passing legislation to address 
rail safety concerns.
    This hearing and future discussions with communities who have rail 
service, the people who are impacted by derailments, and the employees 
who operate the railroads will inform the development of legislative 
solutions.
    I thank the witnesses for being here today.

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. And I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields, thank you. I would like to 
now welcome our witnesses and thank them all for being here 
today.
    Thank you so very much.
    I would like to take a moment to explain our lighting 
system to our witnesses.
    There are three lights in front of you. Green means go, 
yellow means you are running out of time, and red means 
conclude your remarks.
    I ask unanimous consent that the witnesses' full statements 
be included in the record.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the record of today's 
hearing remain open until such time as our witnesses have 
provided answers to any questions that may be submitted to them 
in writing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the record remain open 
for 15 days for any additional comments and information 
submitted by Members or witnesses to be included in the record 
of today's hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    As your written testimony has been made part of the record, 
the subcommittee asks that you limit your remarks to 5 minutes, 
please.
    With that, first, we have FRA Administrator Bose.
    We appreciate you being here. Thank you so much, and you 
are recognized for 5 minutes for your testimony.

 TESTIMONY OF HON. AMIT BOSE, ADMINISTRATOR, FEDERAL RAILROAD 
   ADMINISTRATION; HON. JENNIFER L. HOMENDY, CHAIR, NATIONAL 
TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD; IAN JEFFERIES, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN RAILROADS; AND HON. 
     MICHAEL J. SMITH, COMMISSIONER, INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF 
                         TRANSPORTATION

 TESTIMONY OF HON. AMIT BOSE, ADMINISTRATOR, FEDERAL RAILROAD 
                         ADMINISTRATION

    Mr. Bose. Chairman Nehls, Ranking Member Larsen, Ranking 
Member Payne, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for 
the opportunity to testify this morning. It is an honor to 
return to this subcommittee and testify before you today about 
highway-rail grade crossings.
    I want to thank the FRA staff who prepared me for this 
hearing in a short span of time.
    The Federal Railroad Administration accomplishes its core 
safety mission through the work of our safety professionals, 
partnerships with stakeholders, and investments in projects. 
Congress demonstrated its commitment to grade crossing safety 
and bolstered our Nation's rail network when it passed the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law 2 years ago.
    As a part of its historic investments in our rail network, 
BIL created the Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program to 
enhance community safety and improve the mobility of people and 
goods by implementing grade separations or closures, and 
funding safety improvements at existing crossings. In June 
2023, FRA announced our first railroad crossing elimination 
selections, awarding more than $570 million for 63 projects in 
32 States that impacted over 400 at-grade crossings. This 
funding answers a real need. In 2022, there were more than 
2,200 rail-highway grade crossing collisions in the United 
States. FRA's public complaint portal received reports 
identifying more than 22,000 blocked highway-rail grade 
crossing events.
    In addition to funding new projects, FRA is using its 
authorities to improve grade crossing safety in local 
communities. Over 2 years, FRA has increased our grade crossing 
and trespasser outreach division staff and nearly doubled our 
grade crossing inspectors. This staff spent weeks engaging in 
communities such as Birmingham, Alabama; Hammond, Indiana; and 
Houston, Texas, to address persistent blocked crossings. 
Earlier this week, they led a multimodal grade crossing 
symposium.
    FRA is also leveraging technology to improve grade crossing 
safety. For instance, FRA staff, who spent weeks in Houston, 
used the railroad's Positive Train Control data to verify 
locations and durations of blocked crossings reported to FRA's 
public portal. FRA's office of research, development, and 
innovation developed the Rail Crossing Violation Warning 
System, which communicates the status of grade crossing systems 
to equipped approaching vehicles. And I believe that companies 
operating navigational applications could potentially enhance 
driver awareness of grade crossings, alert drivers to rail 
bridge clearances, and more.
    More broadly, FRA continues to use every resource we have 
to advance rail safety across the country. In June 2022, FRA 
finalized a rulemaking requiring railroads to develop fatigue 
risk management programs. As required by the new rule and the 
2008 congressional mandate, FRA expects railroads to 
meaningfully consult with their employees when identifying and 
mitigating fatigue risks. We issued guidance to assist with 
that.
    FRA has completed or has underway additional rulemakings to 
respond to congressional mandates on emergency escape breathing 
apparatus, signal and dispatcher employee certification, and 
locomotive recording devices.
    FRA also completed several safety mandates from the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, including a report on blocked 
crossings and establishing a standardized process for including 
stakeholders such as labor organizations in accident 
investigations.
    We also issued a proposed rule establishing minimum crew 
size.
    In 2023, FRA has issued seven safety advisories and seven 
safety bulletins to nimbly address emergent safety issues. The 
past few years have been an extraordinary time for rail: 
responding to the COVID pandemic, working to address supply 
chain issues, completing labor-management contract 
negotiations, responding to the Norfolk Southern East 
Palestine, Ohio, tragedy, and implementing the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law. FRA will continue doing our part.
    There are opportunities for railroads and Congress to do 
more to ensure rail safety, and we look forward to working with 
you all and enhancing the Secretary's safety push.
    I appreciate the opportunity to testify before you.
    [Mr. Bose's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
 Prepared Statement of Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
                             Administration
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, Chairman Nehls, Ranking 
Member Payne, and members of the subcommittee--thank you for the 
opportunity to testify today and for your support for improving safety 
at highway-rail grade crossings.
    Safety is core to the mission of the Federal Railroad 
Administration (FRA). We accomplish that mission with the work of our 
safety professionals, partnerships with stakeholders, and investments 
in projects.
    Safety professionals cover every discipline of railroad operations 
and represent a majority of FRA's workforce. For example, across the 
United States, FRA grade crossing safety inspectors inspect grade 
crossings; perform critical outreach work to educate the public; and 
work with railroads, state departments of transportation, and 
communities to ensure compliance with FRA safety regulations. As part 
of its commitment to safety, FRA has nearly doubled its Grade Crossing 
and Trespasser Outreach Division to 48 staff in the past two years.
    FRA partners with railroads, States, and local government to 
promote grade crossing safety. That work is data driven. For example, 
when communities in Birmingham, AL; Hammond, IN; and Houston, TX 
reported high numbers of blocked crossings to FRA's Public Blocked 
Crossing Incident Reporter, FRA engaged with those cities to show that 
a combination of technology, changes to railroad operations, and public 
outreach to pedestrians and drivers can reduce the impacts of blocked 
crossings. FRA ensures that railroads comply with safety regulations, 
enforce their own operating rules, and take seriously their 
responsibility to local communities. In addition, FRA partners with the 
Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), Federal Transit Administration 
(FTA), Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), National 
Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), and others to ensure the 
safety of people and goods at our Nation's highway-rail grade 
crossings.
    The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) presents an historic 
opportunity for the Biden-Harris Administration to invest in rail 
safety and mobility projects to better the lives of Americans who live 
near or travel along America's rail lines. Congress demonstrated its 
commitment to grade crossing safety and bolstering our nation's rail 
network when it passed the BIL, creating several new rail investment 
programs and reauthorizing others. In particular, the Railroad Crossing 
Elimination (RCE) Grant Program provides funding to enhance the health 
and safety of communities, eliminate highway-rail and pathway-rail 
grade crossings that are frequently blocked by trains, reduce the 
impacts that freight movement and railroad operations may have on 
communities, and improve the mobility of people and goods. 
Additionally, highway-rail crossing improvement projects are eligible 
for funding under the Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety 
Improvements (CRISI) Grant Program.
    This funding answers a real need. In 2022, there were more than 
2,200 highway-rail crossing collisions in the United States. FRA 
received 30,749 blocked crossing reports submitted to FRA's public 
complaint portal identifying 22,473 blocked highway-rail grade crossing 
events. In 2022, the top 5 states by number of blocked crossing reports 
submitted were in order: Texas with 6,508 (21%), Ohio 3,575 (12%); 
Illinois 2,952 (10%); Indiana 2,533 (8%); and Tennessee 1,483 (5%).
    Unsurprisingly, the BIL rail programs to date have received 
widespread demand. For example, FRA released the first RCE Notice of 
Funding Opportunity (NOFO) in June 2022, and it was oversubscribed more 
than 4 to 1, with 153 eligible applications submitted from 41 States, 
requesting more than $2.3 billion in funds. FRA has invested in 
regionally focused outreach teams to provide grant-related technical 
assistance to potential applicants to help meet this demand efficiently 
when we make available future BIL funds provided under Advance 
Appropriations and funded under the annual authorization amounts.
    In June 2023, FRA announced the first selections under the RCE 
Grant Program with 63 projects in 32 States receiving more than $570 
million. These awards address more than 400 at-grade crossings 
nationwide, improve safety, eliminate grade crossings through grade 
separations and closures, improve existing at-grade crossings, and 
enhance mobility of people and goods, benefiting railroads and 
communities.
    For example, FRA awarded the West Belt Improvement Project in the 
City of Houston. Houston's East End is one of many communities across 
the country that FRA has worked closely with to address grade crossing 
safety. I personally visited Houston in August 2022 to launch a focused 
grade crossing inspection and returned six months later to share the 
outcomes. FRA, Union Pacific Railroad, BNSF Railway, and the City of 
Houston partnered to identify crossings, for which the railroads issued 
strict orders to avoid blocking, resulting in nearly a 40% reduction in 
reports of blocked crossings in Houston. In June 2023, I announced the 
award of an RCE grant to the City of Houston to construct four 
underpasses and close four at-grade crossings to eliminate seven 
existing at-grade crossings.
    Other cities are pursuing comprehensive grade crossing safety 
efforts. The Chicago Region Environmental and Transportation Efficiency 
(CREATE) program serves as an example of a public-private partnership 
in Chicago; it includes 25 new roadway overpasses or underpasses and 
six new rail overpasses or underpasses. Additionally, FRA and the U.S. 
Department of Transportation have awarded nearly $45 million in Florida 
to Brightline Trains, LLC; Florida Department of Transportation; 
Broward MPO; and cities along the route for projects specifically 
related to trespassers and grade crossing safety.
    The dedicated funding of the RCE Grant Program and the other 
programs under the BIL is one of many ways President Biden's Investing 
in America agenda will make a difference in people's daily lives by 
improving safety and convenience and creating good-paying jobs to 
rebuild our Nation's infrastructure.
    Thank you again for having me here today and for your continued 
support. I look forward to answering your questions.

    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Administrator Bose. Now I would like 
to recognize National Transportation Safety Board Chair, Ms. 
Homendy.
    Thank you for being here, and you are recognized for 5 
minutes.

    TESTIMONY OF HON. JENNIFER L. HOMENDY, CHAIR, NATIONAL 
                  TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD

    Ms. Homendy. Good morning, and thank you for the 
opportunity to be here today.
    I want to start by thanking each of you for your continued 
work to improve safety at grade crossings, including the 
creation of FRA's Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program 
in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
    Outstanding work is also happening at the State and local 
level. Thanks to the efforts of Administrator Bose; then-Acting 
FHWA Administrator Pollack; Governor Mike Parson; Missouri DOT 
Director Patrick McKenna; the people of Mendon, Missouri; and 
the critical efforts of Chairman Sam Graves, the State of 
Missouri acted quickly and decisively after Amtrak's Southwest 
Chief collided with a dump truck in 2022, claiming 4 lives and 
injuring 146 others. Their work to improve the State's 47 
passive grade crossings, supported by a $50 million investment, 
far exceeded our expectations. And as a result, we didn't issue 
any recommendations in the final investigative report.
    Also, as we discuss safety today, we need to keep in mind: 
Rail transportation is not only cleaner and more fuel efficient 
than transportation on our roadways, it is also far, far safer. 
That's true whether we are talking about transporting 
passengers or freight. We'd save so many lives if we could get 
people out of cars and onto trains and public transit.
    The fact is, the U.S. is facing a public health crisis on 
our roads. More than 40,000 people are killed every single year 
in preventable crashes, and millions more are injured. Grade 
crossings are among the deadliest spaces on our rail system 
because that is where our rails meet our roads. In fact, the 
rate of grade crossing collisions has increased by 34 percent 
over the past decade. Today, I'd like to highlight three areas 
where we see significant room for improvement: grade crossing 
design, technology, and rail worker safety.
    First, design. The safest grade crossing is no grade 
crossing. In a perfect world, our rail system would be 
completely separated from our roads. That means building 
overpasses and underpasses. But grade separation isn't always 
an option, which is why we have recommended converting passive 
grade crossings to active ones, increasing and improving 
signage, and ensuring proper road design so vehicles don't 
bottom out and become stuck on the tracks.
    The second area is technology. If you have ever used Waze, 
you will notice it alerts drivers when they are approaching a 
grade crossing. That vital improvement is a result of a 2016 
NTSB recommendation. We have called on other companies to do 
the same. Unfortunately, some of them, including Google, Apple, 
and Microsoft, have yet to implement our recommendations.
    For decades, we have also called on DOT to develop and to 
test in-vehicle safety technology, like V2X, to warn drivers of 
trains at grade crossings. We're still waiting.
    We also strongly support other lifesaving technologies like 
Positive Train Control. Current law requires the railroads to 
use PTC in established work zones to ensure worker safety. But 
under FRA regulations, they can circumvent that law by using 
train approach warning. That is when a lookout or watchman is 
assigned to protect workers who are maintaining the track. When 
they spot a train coming, sometimes at 110 miles per hour in 
one of our investigations, they are supposed to tell workers to 
move to a safe location. We have conducted numerous, numerous 
investigations where workers have died in extremely hazardous 
conditions as a result of train approach warning.
    In 2021, I wrote a letter to DOT and FRA, imploring them to 
take action. Nothing has been done. I would like to include 
that letter in the hearing record, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Nehls. Without objection.
    [The letter is included after Ms. Homendy's prepared 
statement.]
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you.
    The NTSB has also called on FRA and the railroads to end 
the practice of allowing workers to ride on a railcar through a 
grade crossing. To be safe, workers must get off the train 
before it goes into the crossing. Unfortunately, we have also 
seen little action on these recommendations.
    The NTSB has over 190 rail safety recommendations that are 
currently open. We have 318 more recommendations that have been 
closed with no or unacceptable action. These recommendations, 
if acted on today, will save lives. There is no reason, none, 
to wait.
    Thank you so much.
    [Ms. Homendy's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
    Prepared Statement of Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National 
                      Transportation Safety Board
    Good morning, Chairman Nehls, Ranking Member Payne, and members of 
the subcommittee. Thank you for inviting the National Transportation 
Safety Board (NTSB) to testify before you today regarding railroad 
grade crossing elimination and safety. As you know, the NTSB is an 
independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every 
civil aviation accident in the United States and significant events in 
other modes of transportation--railroad, transit, highway, marine, 
pipeline, and commercial space. We determine the probable causes of the 
accidents and events we investigate and issue safety recommendations 
aimed at preventing future occurrences. In addition, we conduct 
transportation safety research studies and offer information and other 
assistance to family members and survivors for each accident or event 
we investigate. We also serve as the appellate authority for 
enforcement actions involving aviation and mariner certificates issued 
by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the US Coast Guard, 
and we adjudicate appeals of civil penalty actions taken by the FAA.
    The NTSB does not have authority to promulgate operating standards, 
nor do we certificate organizations, individuals, or equipment. 
Instead, we advance safety through our investigations and 
recommendations, which are issued to any entity that can improve 
safety. Our goal is to identify issues and advocate for safety 
improvements that, if implemented, would prevent injuries and save 
lives.
    In my testimony today, I want to detail just a few of the NTSB's 
grade crossing investigations, outline the broader lessons we have 
learned from those investigations, and reiterate how critical it is for 
our federal, state, industry, and labor partners to heed those lessons 
learned and take action to help avoid future tragedies.
    I am personally familiar with the aftermath of a grade crossing 
collision and the lifelong grief that surviving family members and 
friends must endure. My father's cousin, Darcy, was killed at a passive 
grade crossing near Havelock, North Carolina, many years ago.
    With that said, I believe it is important, as we have this 
discussion today, that we keep in mind that rail passenger and freight 
transportation in the United States is far safer, more fuel efficient, 
and produces lower emissions than road transportation. I would never 
want to see that traffic shift away from railways to roadways. It is 
the opposite we should all strive for: shifting passenger and freight 
transportation from our deadly roadways to far safer modes of 
transportation, like rail.
    The United States confronts an ongoing public health crisis on our 
roadways in every corner of this country, losing over 40,000 lives 
annually in crashes on our roadways.\1\ Grade crossings are among the 
deadliest spaces in our rail system, in part, because they are where 
our rail and highway systems meet. Better separating these systems 
would save thousands of lives and incur many other benefits.
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    \1\ US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic 
Safety Administration. Traffic Safety Facts: Early Estimate of Motor 
Vehicle Traffic Fatalities for the First Half (January-June) of 2023. 
Washington, DC: NHTSA, 2023. https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/
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    However, we must also be clear that the only acceptable number of 
fatalities on our rail system is zero, and although rail transportation 
is comparatively safe in contrast to highway transportation, we must 
still work to ensure that no lives are needlessly lost to preventable 
collisions.
    Since 1967, the NTSB has been at the forefront of railroad safety. 
We have a long record of highlighting numerous safety issues on our 
railways and have particularly strong concerns about rail worker 
safety, train approach warnings, positive train control, and railroad 
company safety cultures, in addition to the grade-crossing concerns 
that we are here to discuss today.
    In total, the NTSB currently has over 190 open rail safety 
recommendations.\2\ These include 5 recommendations to the US 
Department of Transportation (DOT), 90 recommendations to the Federal 
Railroad Administration (FRA), and 12 recommendations to the Pipeline 
and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA). There are also 
over 115 recommendations to the FRA that are closed with unacceptable 
action.\3\ The collisions we see in our investigations are tragic 
because they are preventable, and we believe the safety issues we 
identify in these investigations should be acted on swiftly.
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    \2\ A report of all open safety recommendations related to rail 
(nontransit) can be accessed here: https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-
public/query-builder/route/?t=published&n=28.
    \3\ A report of all closed-unacceptable safety recommendations 
related to FRA can be accessed here: https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-
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            NTSB's Longstanding Interest in Grade Crossings
    In 2022, 272 people were killed in collisions at grade crossings, 
and the rate of grade crossing collisions has increased significantly 
over the past decade, from 2.811 per million train miles in 2013 to 
3.758 per million train miles in 2022. This represents the overwhelming 
majority of rail fatalities in the United States, and we are grateful 
that Congress included several provisions in the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act of 2021 (IIJA) to address grade-crossing and 
trespasser safety.\4\ In the last 10 years, the rate of grade crossing 
incidents has increased by one incident per million train miles.
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    Many of you may know of someone who has been killed or injured in a 
grade-crossing accident. It was almost 5 years ago, as I'm sure some of 
you may remember, that an Amtrak train carrying members of Congress and 
staff struck a refuse truck that was stopped on the tracks of a grade 
crossing in Crozet, Virginia.\5\ The collision resulted in the death of 
one truck passenger, serious injuries to the second passenger, and 
minor injuries to the truck driver. Four train crew members and three 
train passengers sustained minor injuries. In this case, the NTSB 
determined that the truck driver entered the active grade crossing, but 
failed to take action once he encountered obstacles, likely due to the 
driver's impairment.
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    \5\ National Transportation Safety Board. Collision Between 
Passenger Train and Refuse Truck at Active Grade Crossing, Crozet, 
Virginia, January 31, 2018. Rpt. No. HAB-19/03. Washington, DC: NTSB, 
2019.
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    The NTSB has a long history of investigating these kinds of 
preventable collisions at grade crossings. Over the years, our agency 
has issued many recommendations aimed at improving the safety of 
motorists and train occupants at crossings. Our investigations have 
identified numerous recurring safety issues, such as the following:
      Grade separation is needed at high-risk locations.
      Improved signage and warnings for motorists are needed at 
many crossings.
      High vertical profile crossings (``humped crossings'') 
continue to cause problems nationwide, with trucks and buses becoming 
stuck on tracks.
      Traffic queues at grade crossings must be avoided, and 
they require active traffic management by local highway authorities to 
ensure vehicles are not trapped on tracks.
      Adequate line of sight at both public and private grade 
crossings is needed to prevent collisions.
      Advanced technology solutions (i.e. improved vehicle 
navigation systems, connected vehicle-to-train, GPS tracking) could be 
used to warn train operators and motorists of active railroad tracks in 
the area or of impending conflict.
      Improved data and reporting requirements for both public 
and private highway-railroad grade crossings are needed.
      Increasing participation in Operation Lifesaver to 
educate road users about safely walking, rolling, or driving near grade 
crossings.

    We should be clear up front that the safest treatment for any grade 
crossing is its elimination. At grade crossings, trains have the right 
of way. Building an overpass or underpass and eliminating the shared 
space between trains and automobiles is the surest way to reduce the 
possibility of deadly interaction. When grade crossings cannot be 
eliminated, it is important to understand the differing levels of 
safety afforded by various types of grade-crossing warning systems.
    To mitigate collisions with highway vehicles, grade crossings have 
either active or passive warning devices. Active grade crossings have 
active warning and control devices such as bells, flashing lights, and 
gates, in addition to passive warning devices, such as crossbucks (the 
familiar x-shaped signs that mean yield to the train), yield or stop 
signs, and pavement markings.
                NTSB Investigations and Recommendations
    During the past decade, the NTSB has conducted over 10 major 
collision investigations at grade crossings and has issued numerous 
recommendations, mirroring the issues bulleted above, to prevent the 
recurrence of similar collisions. Many of our recommendations remain 
open and require action.
    Each one of our investigations is a significant undertaking, and 
resolving the safety issues they raise requires involvement and 
collaboration at all levels across government and industry--from 
federal, state, and local, to public and private, and must include 
members of the affected communities themselves. I would like to begin 
my discussion of these incidents and our related safety recommendations 
by pointing to one recent example of successful collaboration that I 
hope can serve as a model going forward.
    On June 27, 2022, eastbound National Railroad Passenger Corporation 
(Amtrak) train 4 (also known as the Southwest Chief) derailed both 
locomotives and all eight railcars in Mendon, Missouri, after colliding 
with an MS Contracting LLC dump truck that had entered a grade crossing 
on County Road 113, Porsche Prairie Avenue.\6\ Three passengers and the 
truck driver were killed, and 146 other passengers and Amtrak 
crewmembers were transported to local hospitals with injuries. Amtrak 
and the BNSF Railway Company estimated damage to track and equipment to 
be about $4 million.
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    \6\ National Transportation Safety Board. Grade Crossing Collision 
Between MS Contracting LLC Dump Truck and Amtrak Passenger Train, 
Mendon, Missouri, July 27, 2022. Rpt. No. RIR-23/09. Washington, DC: 
NTSB, 2023.
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    It would be easy for anyone to blame the truck driver, but the 
NTSB's investigations take a systems approach. We look broadly at all 
factors that could have contributed to such a collision. As such, the 
NTSB determined that the cause of the collision, in short, was the 
grade crossing's poor design. The road design leading to the crossing 
was too steep, and the angle of the crossing was 30 degrees sharper 
than the recommended limit. More will be said below about grade-
crossing design, but there is an additional important factor for this 
specific investigation: the community in Mendon knew that the grade 
crossing was dangerous and had been sounding the alarm for years. 
Unfortunately, there were no resources available to them to resolve the 
problem.
    In response to tragedy, and thanks to the diligent efforts of many 
stakeholders--including Chairman Sam Graves of this committee, and his 
staff, Missouri Department of Transportation Director Patrick McKenna, 
whose efforts were key in achieving a viable solution--the NTSB was 
able to convene all parties across different levels of the community to 
discuss the community's concerns. A year after the accident, I had the 
honor of joining Missouri Governor Mike Parson as he announced a $50 
million investment in rail safety, and Director McKenna unveiled a plan 
to improve the state's 47 passive grade crossings.
    This success was only possible through collaboration, and it must 
be emphasized that the NTSB's safety recommendations in relation to 
grade crossings, and in relation to railways and other modes of 
transportation more generally, always rely on the conviction that a 
safe system is the responsibility of every stakeholder. Everyone has a 
role to play in ensuring no lives are needlessly lost, so we issue our 
recommendations to federal agencies, states, local governments, private 
companies, and nonprofit associations in our industry, often urging 
they work together to achieve a safer outcome.
    What follows is an outline of some of the key outstanding 
recommendations and recent investigations related to grade-crossing 
safety divided into categories of (1) rail worker safety, (2) grade-
crossing design, (3) technology improvement, and (4) public versus 
private grade-crossing safety and hazardous materials (hazmat) 
concerns.
Rail Worker Safety at Grade Crossings
    The NTSB has long been concerned about rail worker safety, and 
there are, of course, risks to train crews when a grade-crossing 
collision occurs. We have investigated multiple accidents in which a 
railroad worker was killed while riding a shoving movement through a 
grade crossing, and we have urged action to ensure greater rail worker 
safety in response.\7\
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    In April 2020, the NTSB investigated a collision between a Union 
Pacific train and a combination vehicle as the train entered a public 
grade crossing outside the Proviso Yard in Northlake, Illinois.\8\ In 
this incident, the train and the remote-controlled locomotive collided 
with the front of a combination vehicle and the railroad worker 
operating the remote-controlled locomotive was killed. The train had 
proceeded into a public grade crossing with passive warning devices 
without stopping because the train crew determined that ground 
protection was not required. The combination vehicle entered the 
crossing at the same time, and the train and vehicle collided.
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    \8\ NTSB. Union Pacific Railroad Employee Fatality, Northlake, 
Illinois, April 23, 2020. Rpt. No. RAB-21/04. Washington, DC: NTSB, 
2021.
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    The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this collision was 
Union Pacific's allowance of train movement through a grade crossing 
without first stopping the train to provide warning. Also contributing 
to the collision was the combination vehicle driver's failure to stop 
for the train as he approached the public grade crossing.
    In another incident, on October 29, 2021, a Watco Dock and Rail, 
LLC (WDRL) conductor from WDRL train 202 was killed protecting a 
shoving movement when the train collided with a combination vehicle at 
a private grade crossing outside the Greens Port Industrial Park in 
Houston, Texas.\9\ The conductor was riding on the platform of the 
leading railcar of train 202 when he was pinned between the train and 
the combination vehicle as both vehicles simultaneously entered the 
grade crossing of the industrial park.
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    \9\ NTSB. Watco Dock and Rail, L.L.C. Employee Fatality, Houston, 
Texas, October 29, 2021. Rpt. No. RIR-23/13. Washington, DC: NTSB, 
2023.
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    The NTSB determined the probable cause of the Houston, Texas, 
collision was the failure of the combination vehicle driver to follow 
their employer's driver code of conduct to stop the vehicle before 
entering the grade crossing. Contributing to the collision was the 
train's movement through a passive grade crossing without adequate 
protection.
    In response to these incidents, the NTSB issued recommendations to 
the FRA and to the General Code of Operating Rules Committee, the 
Northeast Operating Rules Advisory Committee, Canadian National 
Railway, and the Norfolk Southern Corporation. to We recommended that 
when approaching crossings not equipped with gates that are in the 
fully lowered position, or someone already positioned at the crossing, 
rail workers stop the movement, dismount the equipment, protect the 
crossing from the ground, and get back on the equipment after the 
equipment is through the crossing.\10\ To date, we have received no 
response to our recommendations.
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    The NTSB is currently investigating another similar incident, which 
occurred on March 3, 2023, when a Norfolk Southern Corporation train 
and a dump truck collided as they simultaneously entered a private 
grade crossing with passive warning devices in Cleveland, Ohio.\11\ In 
this incident, the conductor was riding on the end platform of the lead 
railcar during a shoving movement in the Cleveland-Cliffs Incorporated 
steel plant when he was pinned between the railcar he was riding and 
the dump truck during the collision. This investigation is still 
ongoing.
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Grade-Crossing Design
    On March 7, 2017, a motorcoach carrying a driver and 49 passengers 
attempted to move through a grade crossing on Main Street in Biloxi, 
Mississippi, that had a high vertical profile.\12\ The frame of the 
motorcoach came into contact with the pavement during crossing and 
became stuck over the tracks. The motorcoach was then hit by an 
eastbound CSX transportation freight train, pushing the motorcoach 259 
feet down the tracks before coming to a stop, with the motorcoach still 
in contact with the lead locomotive. Four motorcoach passengers died, 
and the driver and 37 passengers sustained injuries.
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    \12\ NTSB. Collision Between Freight Train and Charter Motorcoach 
at High-Profile Highway-Railroad Grade Crossing, Biloxi, Mississippi, 
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    The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this collision was 
the failure of CSX Transportation and the city of Biloxi to coordinate 
and take action to improve the safety of the Main Street grade 
crossing, a high-vertical-profile crossing on which motor vehicles were 
known to ground frequently. Their inaction led to the grounding of the 
motorcoach that was subsequently struck by the CSX Transportation 
freight train. Contributing to the circumstances of the collision was 
the inadequate guidance from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) 
on how to mitigate the risks posed by grade crossings with high 
vertical profiles.
    In response to this investigation, the NTSB successfully urged the 
FHWA, with assistance from the FRA, American Association of State 
Highway and Transportation Officials, and American Railway Engineering 
and Maintenance-of-Way Association, to develop specific criteria to 
establish when an existing grade crossing should be reconstructed, 
closed, or otherwise have the risk posed by its unsafe vertical profile 
comprehensively mitigated.\13\
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    We also issued further recommendations to the FHWA, which remain 
open, urging an update to FHWA grade-crossing signage guidance to 
federal, state, and local agencies.\14\ We continue to work with FHWA 
to ensure follow-through on this recommendation pending our review of 
the revised Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and 
Highways (MUTCD), published December 2023 and officially effective 
January 18, 2024.\15\
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    \14\ Safety Recommendations H-18-23 and H-18-24.
    \15\ US DOT, Federal Highway Administration. Manual on Uniform 
Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways. Washington, DC: FHWA. 
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    The NTSB issued several other recommendations in response to this 
investigation aimed at ensuring better coordination between all 
relevant stakeholders when it comes to addressing grade-crossing design 
and maintenance.\16\
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    \16\ Safety Recommendations H-18-28; R-18-12, -13, -14 and -15.; R-
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Technology Improvement
    On Tuesday, February 24, 2015, in the predawn hours, Metrolink 
commuter train 102, operated by Amtrak, was on route from Oxnard, 
California, to Los Angeles.\17\ As the train approached the South Rice 
Avenue grade crossing, it collided with a 2005 Ford F450 service truck 
towing a 2000 Wells Cargo two-axle utility trailer. The truck driver 
had mistakenly turned right from South Rice Avenue onto the Union 
Pacific Railroad track, and the truck became lodged on the track 80 
feet west of the grade crossing. The train consisted of a cab/coach car 
in the lead, three coach cars, and a locomotive at the rear. It was 
occupied by three crew members and 51 passengers. The NTSB determined 
that the probable cause of the Oxnard, California, collision was the 
truck driver mistakenly turning onto the railroad right-of-way due to 
acute fatigue and unfamiliarity with the area.
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    \17\ NTSB. Train and Truck Crash on Railroad Right-of-Way and 
Subsequent Fire, Oxnard, California, February 24, 2015. Rpt. No. HAB-
16/07. Washington, DC: NTSB, 2016.
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    In response to this incident, the NTSB issued a multi-recipient 
recommendation to Google, Apple, Garmin Ltd., HERE, TomTom NV, INRIX, 
MapQuest, Microsoft Corporation, Omnitracs LLC, OpenStreetMap US, 
Sensys Networks, StreetLight Data, Inc., Teletrac, Inc., and United 
Parcel Service of America, Inc., urging that they incorporate grade 
crossing-related geographic data, such as those currently being 
prepared by the FRA, into their navigation applications to provide road 
users with additional safety cues and to reduce the likelihood of 
collisions at or near public or private grade crossings.\18\ This 
recommendation remains open to 10 of the 14 recipients, and the NTSB 
continues to advocate for implementation by the remaining open 
recipient organizations.
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Public Versus Private Crossings and Hazardous Materials Concerns
    In light of the tragic events in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 
3, 2023, and the ongoing investigation into the Norfolk Southern 
derailment there, it seems inevitable that some members of this 
committee will be wondering if there are examples of train derailments 
involving a hazmat release in connection with grade-crossing 
collisions. Unfortunately, the answer is yes, and the risk of 
significant hazmat release incidents, either at grade crossings or 
elsewhere, remains serious.
    On May 28, 2013, a 2003 Mack Granite truck was traveling northwest 
on a private road toward a private grade crossing in Rosedale, 
Maryland, a Baltimore suburb less than a 90-minute drive from our 
nation's capital.\19\ The truck was carrying a load of debris to a 
recycling center located 3.5 miles from the carrier terminal. About the 
same time, a CSX Transportation freight train--which consisted of two 
locomotives, 31 empty cars, and 14 loaded cars--was traveling southwest 
at a speed of 49 mph. As the train approached the crossing, the train 
horn sounded three times. The truck did not stop and was hit by the 
train.
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    \19\ NTSB. Highway-Railroad Grade Crossing Collision, Rosedale, 
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    Three of the 15 derailed cars contained hazmat. The other derailed 
cars contained non-US DOT-regulated commodities or were empty. One car 
loaded with sodium chlorate crystal and four cars loaded with 
terephthalic acid released their products.
    Following the derailment, a postcrash fire resulted in an 
explosion, which caused widespread property damage. The fire remained 
confined to the derailed train cars. The truck driver was seriously 
injured in the collision. Three workers in a building adjacent to the 
railroad tracks and a Maryland Transportation Authority police officer 
who responded to the initial incident also received minor injuries as a 
result of the explosion.
    The NTSB determined that the probable cause of the Rosedale, 
Maryland, collision was the truck driver's failure to ensure that the 
tracks were clear before traversing the grade crossing. Contributing to 
the collision were (1) the truck driver's distraction due to a hands-
free cell phone conversation; (2) the limited sight distance due to 
vegetation and roadway curvature; and (3) the Federal Motor Carrier 
Safety Administration's (FMCSA's) inadequate oversight of Alban Waste, 
LLC, which allowed the new entrant motor carrier to continue operations 
despite a serious and consistent pattern of safety deficiencies. 
Contributing to the severity of the damage was the postcrash fire and 
the resulting explosion of a rail car carrying sodium chlorate, an 
oxidizer.
    In response to this incident, the NTSB issued several 
recommendations to the FRA, the states, the Association of American 
Railroads, and the American Short Line and Regional Railroad 
Association aimed at ensuring safety equivalence between public and 
private grade crossings.\20\ None of these recommendations has been 
acceptably addressed.
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 Current Open Investigations Involving Brightline Intercity Passenger 
                                  Rail
    Finally, I'd also like to note that we currently have four open 
investigations concerning collisions that occurred on grade crossings 
along the Brightline intercity passenger rail line in Florida. Two of 
these investigations began just in the past week, with two separate 
collisions occurring at the same location within days of each other. In 
the last five years, there have been over 30 fatalities and over 30 
injuries at grade crossings involving Brightline as part of over 100 
separate incidents.
    On February 8, 2023, in Delray Beach, Florida, a sport utility 
vehicle (SUV) stopped with its front tires over the southbound track of 
a grade crossing.\21\ The southbound Brightline intercity passenger 
train approached that crossing, sounded its horn, and applied emergency 
braking, but was unable to stop. The two SUV occupants died from 
injuries sustained in the collision. As part of this investigation, we 
are also gathering information on the following two subsequent 
collisions involving Brightline:
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    \21\ NTSB. Fatal Grade Crossing Crash between Sport Utility Vehicle 
and Intercity Passenger Train, Delray Beach, Florida, February 8, 2023. 
Washington, DC: NTSB, 2023.

      On March 3, 2023, in North Miami, Florida, a passenger 
car, occupied by the driver and a child passenger, made a left turn and 
entered a grade crossing consisting of two main track lines running 
north and south. The grade crossing was protected by a combination of 
quad-gates, flashing lights, and pavement markings. After crossing the 
first set of tracks, the driver became stopped in a traffic queue on 
the second set of tracks as traffic ahead waited to turn onto 
southbound US-1. After being stopped for about a minute, a southbound 
Brightline passenger train approached, causing the grade crossing's 
warning devices to activate; the grade crossing entrance gates lowered, 
and the lights began flashing. The driver and child exited the car, 
leaving it parked on the railroad tracks. After they exited the car, 
the traffic ahead cleared, and the grade-crossing exit gate lowered. 
Prior to reaching the 141st Street grade crossing, the Brightline train 
operator observed the traffic queue, and applied brakes to reduce 
speed. When the operator realized that the passenger car was not going 
to move, the operator activated the emergency braking system, but was 
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unable to stop in time.

      On April 12, 2023, in Hollywood, Florida, a truck-tractor 
combination car carrier trailer was approaching an intersection with 
two sets of railroad tracks, running north and south. The grade 
crossing for the tracks was protected by a combination of quad-gates, 
flashing lights, and pavement markings. As the combination vehicle 
traversed the grade crossing, the undercarriage of the trailer 
contacted the ground, causing the vehicle to become stuck on the 
tracks. While the truck was stopped on the tracks, a southbound 
Brightline passenger train approached, causing the crossing's warning 
devices to activate. The trailer was struck on the left side by the 
train and the locomotive and next car derailed. One train passenger 
sustained a minor injury.

    And last week, we opened an investigation into another fatal 
collision on January 12 in Melbourne, Florida, involving a Brightline 
train at an active grade crossing, resulting in two fatalities. Two 
days earlier, another collision at the same crossing resulted in one 
fatality.
    Again, these investigations are ongoing, and our investigators will 
continue to work with the parties involved to identify any potential 
areas for safety improvements.
                    Rail Safety and Reauthorization
    Before concluding, I would be remiss if I did not take this 
opportunity to mention the needs of the NTSB itself. All the 
investigations I have discussed today--all the careful analysis and 
safety recommendations, and the material benefits they bring to the 
travelling public--would not be possible without the NTSB's meticulous 
and expert investigators. As a small, independent federal agency, the 
NTSB's primary expense is our personnel, including all these 
investigators. Over 70 percent of the agency's funding is used to fund 
employee payroll and benefits (which will increase this year due to 
increased staffing) and we historically have very little discretionary 
funding to spend on an annual basis.
    Given the 5.2 percent federal employee pay raise and an increase of 
5 percent in the agency's share of employee health benefits, the NTSB's 
mission will be greatly impacted if we must continue to operate 
indefinitely, or under a full year continuing resolution, at our fiscal 
year (FY) 2023 funding levels of $129.3 million. In effect, we are 
operating at a cut from FY2023 funding levels.
    An appropriations lapse and government shutdown would also 
dramatically hinder our ability to begin, continue, and complete 
accident and incident investigations and timely issue relevant safety 
recommendations, potentially including those that may result from the 
NTSB's investigation of the East Palestine investigation and the recent 
Alaska Airlines 1282 accident. The effect could be a temporary delay in 
investigations under a short shutdown, or it could preclude entire 
investigations depending on the length of the lapse, the volume and 
complexity of investigations that needed to be performed during a 
lapse, and the perishability of the evidence required to conduct 
investigations. Many investigations with national safety relevance may 
not be undertaken or completed and any resulting safety recommendations 
potentially foregone. Other critical work such as assistance to 
families of victims, safety studies, or advocacy efforts would be 
delayed or cancelled depending on the timing and length of a lapse. 
Efforts underway to right-size the agency and bring new staff on board 
to backfill critical vacancies would also be halted.
    Additionally, as you know, our current authorization expired at the 
end of FY 2022, and earlier last year, we transmitted a reauthorization 
proposal to Congress, requesting resources and hiring flexibility to 
increase the number of investigators throughout the agency.\22\
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    \22\ National Transportation Safety Board Draft Reauthorization Act 
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    I am deeply grateful to this committee for its responsiveness to 
our request, and for including NTSB reauthorization in its FAA 
legislation last year and moving that legislation through the House. 
With a strongly bipartisan voice, this committee ensured that House 
legislation supported critical efforts to strengthen the NTSB and 
better position our agency to pursue its life-saving mission in the 
transportation space. In particular, your inclusion of authorization 
for increased funding levels supports our efforts to obtain increased 
funding during negotiations with appropriators and OMB.
    House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee members also 
fought to ensure the NTSB's needs were reflected in House 
appropriations legislation, and I would like, in particular, to express 
my gratitude to Representative Van Orden for his amendment to increase 
NTSB funding levels in FY 2024. I can only hope the Senate matches the 
House committee's good work in support of the NTSB and transportation 
safety.
    We need these additional resources, among other reasons, because 
the NTSB is required to investigate any railroad accident in the 
country in which there is a fatality or ``substantial'' property 
damage, or that involves a passenger train.\23\ We must currently meet 
this mandate with only 19 investigators, two of whom are eligible for 
retirement. Those 19 investigators are currently working on 21 
investigations, and we open about 12 new investigations each year. This 
office is understaffed. In fact, as part of our reauthorization 
proposal, we identified a need for 21 additional staff in our Rail, 
Pipeline and Hazardous Materials office over the next 5 years. Our 
reauthorization request only fills a portion of this need.
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    I am happy to report that, over the last 2 years, we have already 
made great progress across the agency toward our goals to ensure that 
our employees have the right skill set, staffing up to our highest 
level since 2017 to 428 people at the end of 2023. In FY 2023, we hired 
71 people, the highest number in 10 years. Our reauthorization proposal 
anticipates adding roughly 15 new employees per year through 2027, in 
addition to filling the vacancies that will occur through retirements 
and separations.
    Since February of 2022, we have significantly reduced the backlog 
of investigations open for more than 2 years from 442 to zero at the 
end of FY 2023, by filling open investigative and technical review 
positions, reassigning investigations that could be expedited, using 
reemployed annuitants to broaden the pool of report reviewers in the 
short term, enhancing employee performance standards, and developing 
quality metrics and a means to track them for all investigations.
    The resources provided in this reauthorization will allow us to 
hire professionals with the needed skills, purchase the equipment 
necessary for those skilled professionals to do their jobs, and invest 
in staff training and development. Our workforce is our greatest asset 
and is essential to our mission.
    Even if provided with the requested resources and workforce 
flexibilities, however, we would be challenged to meet the broad rail 
investigations mandate in Title 49 United States Code (U.S.C.) 1131, 
given the tragic number of fatalities that result from collisions at 
grade crossings or involving trespassers on railroad property each 
year.
    That's why our reauthorization proposal would amend the current 
mandate so that collisions at grade crossings or accidents involving 
rail trespassers no longer fall under our investigative mandate. 
Instead, we would maintain the flexibility to investigate those grade-
crossing collisions or trespasser accidents that may provide a 
significant safety benefit to the public, similar to how we approach 
highway crashes. In fact, the Board traditionally treats such grade-
crossing collisions as highway investigations that include railroad 
investigators. This change to our mandate would allow us to focus our 
resources on investigating those accidents and collisions where we can 
provide the most effective findings and recommendations to improve 
safety.
    For those railroad accidents that we do not investigate, it is 
important to note that the FRA, as the regulator, may still conduct an 
accident or incident investigation. We have expressed concern in the 
past that FRA investigations do not use the party process, as we do, to 
encourage participation from relevant organizations, including employee 
unions. We have found that union representation brings operations-
specific knowledge to the accident investigation team and helps 
facilitate employee cooperation. As a result, in 2014, we recommended 
that the FRA include union participation in its accident 
investigations, seeking congressional authority to allow such 
participation, if necessary.\24\ We appreciate that the IIJA includes a 
provision to address this issue by requiring the DOT to develop a 
standard process for its rail accident and incident investigations, 
including consulting with relevant entities, including employees.\25\
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    \24\ Safety Recommendation R-14-37.
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    Let me be clear: this does not mean that improving safety on and 
around tracks and at grade crossings is not a priority for the NTSB. On 
the contrary, more flexibility will allow us to focus on specific 
collision investigations that afford the most safety benefit to the 
American people.
                               Conclusion
    Again, thank you for the opportunity to discuss these critical rail 
safety issues and the NTSB's perspectives and recommendations with the 
committee today. We believe strongly that continued vigilance and 
improvement are needed in our rail system. We recognize the progress 
that has been made; yet there will always be room for more when it 
comes to safety. We stand ready to work with the committee to continue 
improving rail safety, which includes ensuring that the NTSB has the 
resources needed to carry out our essential mission.
    I am happy to answer your questions.

                                 
 Letter of September 30, 2021, to Hon. Pete Buttigieg, Secretary, U.S. 
  Department of Transportation, from Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, 
National Transportation Safety Board, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
                          Jennifer L. Homendy
              National Transportation Safety Board,
                                      Washington, DC 20594,
                                                September 30, 2021.
The Honorable Pete Buttigieg,
Secretary,
U.S. Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Ave. SE, Washington, 
        DC 20590.
    Dear Mr. Secretary:
    Today, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) issued its 
final report on our investigation into the April 24, 2018, fatality of 
an Amtrak rail gang watchman who was struck by Amtrak train 86 in 
Bowie, Maryland. Regrettably, the circumstances of this roadway 
worker's death were tragically familiar. The watchman--one of three 
tasked with protecting the safety of roadway work groups performing 
track maintenance on a main track--was placed near the end of a curve 
in the track. While the center track was occupied by maintenance 
equipment and no trains were operating, train movements on the two 
immediately adjacent tracks were allowed to continue as scheduled. The 
only protection for the roadway workers on the in-service tracks was 
the use of train approach warning (TAW). As the watchman was focused on 
his work crew and a southbound Maryland Area Rail Commuter (MARC) train 
servicing one adjacent track, he was unaware of northbound Amtrak train 
86 approaching from behind him on the other adjacent track. He was 
struck and killed.
    Just as this watchman was entrusted with the duty to protect his 
roadway work group, the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) was in 
turn entrusted to protect him--through rule, regulation, and oversight. 
For nearly 25 years, however, the FRA has shifted this responsibility 
for roadway worker protection back onto the workers themselves, through 
the express sanction of TAW as an approved method of on-track safety. 
In doing so, the FRA failed in its responsibility to protect the 
watchman in Bowie, Maryland, as it has failed to protect so many 
roadway workers before.
    The Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008 mandated that all Class I 
and passenger railroads fully implement positive train control (PTC) 
systems. That requirement was implemented nationwide on December 31, 
2020. PTC is a technology-based system to prevent train accidents 
caused by human error, including train-to-train collisions, overspeed 
derailments, incursions into established working limits, and movements 
of trains through a switch left in the wrong position. TAW, however, 
does not require the establishment of working limits and, therefore, 
circumvents the protections that would be provided by PTC in controlled 
track territory. In short, the decades of government- and industry-wide 
effort put into the implementation of PTC is being undone by the 
continued use of TAW.
    In February 2017, the Fatality Analysis of Maintenance-of-way 
Employees and Signalmen (FAMES) Committee estimated that in the 20 
years following the adoption of the Roadway Worker Protection Rule, the 
use of TAW was involved in 13 accidents, resulting in the deaths of 16 
roadway workers. We at the NTSB have continued to investigate accident 
after accident in which the shortcomings of TAW as a method of on-track 
safety have been laid bare:
      On April 3, 2016, southbound Amtrak train 89 struck a 
backhoe occupied by a roadway worker in a work zone near Chester, 
Pennsylvania. The train had been authorized to operate at 110 mph 
through the work zone. Two roadway workers were killed, and 39 others 
were injured.
      On January 17, 2017, a BNSF Railway freight train struck 
and killed a watchman and one other roadway worker in Edgemont, South 
Dakota, as a group of three workers cleaned snow and ice from a track 
switch on the main track.
      On June 10, 2017, a road crew foreman stepped into the 
path of a Long Island Rail Road train at the Queens Interlocking in 
Queens Village, New York, after the train had sounded its horn to warn 
the roadway work group of its approach. The foreman was struck and 
killed.

    In our final report on the Queens Village accident investigation, 
we sought once again to highlight the need to mitigate the risks of TAW 
to roadway worker safety, by issuing Safety Recommendation R-20-6 to 
the FRA:

        Define when the risks associated with using train approach 
        warning are unacceptable and revise Title 49 Code of Federal 
        Regulations 214.329 to prohibit the use of train approach 
        warning when the defined risks are unacceptable. (R-20-6)

    The FRA disagreed with our suggested recommendation--not because it 
would fail to enhance roadway worker safety, but because the FRA 
rejected our underlying investigation findings from the Queens Village 
accident itself. The FRA stated that the roadway workers involved in 
the accident ``did not comply with the most basic requirements'' of FRA 
regulations governing TAW, because they failed to discuss and then 
occupy a predetermined place of safety from oncoming trains. Therefore, 
the FRA stated that it believed that these failures, not the decision 
to use TAW, were the cause of the accident: ``If the roadway workers 
involved in this accident had followed the requirements of TAW, this 
accident would not have occurred.''
    In our investigations, it is all too common for organizations to 
deny or deflect responsibility for their role in the chain of accident 
causation. At the NTSB, however, our mission is to identify every 
element contributing to an accident--not to lay blame at the feet of 
front-line workers whose errors represented the last link in that 
causal chain. Our safety recommendations, if implemented, serve to 
prevent the occurrence of similar accidents in the future, and that is 
precisely why we direct them to the agencies, organizations, and 
individuals in the best position to effect such changes. Those who 
ignore our recommendations do so at the expense of the very people 
whose safety has been entrusted to them.
    At the risk of tragic repetition, the circumstances of the Bowie, 
Maryland, accident provide the FRA an opportunity to correct its past, 
and ongoing, mistake. The NTSB's final report on the Bowie accident 
reiterates Safety Recommendation R-20-6 to the FRA, and further issues 
a new recommendation that seeks to put into clear and unambiguous 
language the step the FRA must take to protect on-track workers 
nationwide:

        Modify Title 49 Code of Federal Regulations Part 214 to 
        prohibit the use of train approach warning in controlled track 
        territory during planned maintenance and inspection activities. 
        (R-21-3)

    The Bowie, Maryland, accident--and many others before it--prove 
that placing the sole responsibility for managing roadway worker risk 
upon lookouts and watchmen, while also requiring them to monitor, 
simultaneously, such dynamic elements as train speed, track 
characteristics, sight distance, noise, and environmental conditions, 
is simply untenable. When such alternatives as exclusive track 
occupancy, foul time, and train coordination exist, the continued use 
of TAW as a method of on-track safety is a deadly risk that the 
American rail worker cannot be asked to bear.
    The NTSB looks to your leadership to protect rail workers and 
ensure the favorable implementation of Safety Recommendations R-20-6 
and R-21-3.
            Sincerely,
                                          Jennifer Homendy,
                                                             Chair.

cc: The Honorable Amit Bose
   Acting Administrator
   Federal Railroad Administration

    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Chair Homendy. I now recognize Mr. 
Jefferies, the president and CEO of Association of American 
Railroads.
    You are recognized for 5 minutes.

   TESTIMONY OF IAN JEFFERIES, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
           OFFICER, ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN RAILROADS

    Mr. Jefferies. Chair Nehls, Ranking Member Payne, members 
of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to speak 
with you today about grade crossing safety and broader trends 
across the freight rail industry. And I will start with one 
unequivocal truism: Freight rail remains, by far, the safest 
way to move goods on land, especially hazardous materials.
    Railroads continue to hit high-water marks in rates 
pertaining to main line accidents, hazmat accidents, employee 
injuries, and others. Yet more work remains to be done. 
Consistent progress is realized through our dedicated employee 
base, sustained private investment, and an overall safety 
culture that permeates all aspects of railroading.
    Rail workers are the tip of the spear, and I am proud of 
the progress we are making on quality-of-life matters. To date, 
80 percent of operating craft employees have new scheduling 
agreements to provide a more predictable work schedule for 
work-life balance, while 92 percent of covered rail employees 
have paid sick leave.
    Our actions in prevention, mitigation, and response, as 
outlined in my written testimony, demonstrate how much we can 
accomplish in a short period. Consider our work with first 
responders, over 2 million of which now have access to our 
AskRail software application to support them in the rare 
occurrence of an accident in their community.
    The next leap forward in safety requires innovation and 
deployment of myriad technological tools, many of which exist 
today. Technology allows us to conduct more indepth 
inspections, advance operational processes, and reduce risk to 
our employees. And to achieve this, we must have regulatory 
partners that embrace and support innovation.
    Grade crossings, however, remain a key area of improvement 
for safety and community interaction. Consider that accidents 
at grade crossings and trespassing on railroad rights-of-way 
account for 95 percent of rail-related fatalities. Tragically, 
most of these accidents are preventable. In 2022, 66 percent of 
all highway-rail crossing incidents and 82 percent of crossing 
fatalities occurred at crossings equipped with active warning 
devices.
    Carriers large and small work every day to improve safety 
around our crossings, and we also partner with the team at 
Operation Lifesaver to educate the public about this critical 
issue. Significant work remains, and policymakers play a unique 
role. That's because States, not railroads, are responsible for 
the road infrastructure at grade crossings and in deciding 
which grade crossings to prioritize for action. Congress and 
the DOT determine the dollar figures and direct them 
accordingly to support communities.
    Our members work closely with officials, spending hundreds 
of millions of dollars per year to improve crossings and 
generally maintain crossings and warning devices once they are 
installed. The number of gates at crossings has increased by 40 
percent since 2005. Yet again, more work remains to be done.
    Railroads coordinate with State and local governments to 
plan and fund separation projects and closures, while also 
working with law enforcement to address pressing concerns.
    And direct Federal dollars are having a marked impact. The 
IIJA allocates $245 million annually for the Section 130 
Program to install and upgrade warning devices. The law, as we 
have heard, also created a new Grade Crossing Elimination 
Program, providing $600 million per year in grants through 
2025. The program remains fully subscribed, and last year, the 
FRA announced its first grant awards, providing funds to 
improve grade crossing safety at some 400 crossings across 32 
States.
    Because the safest crossing is no crossing at all, funding 
separations and closures is a primary goal, which brings me to 
an issue I would be remiss not to address, which is the topic 
of blocked crossings. There is no simple answer for solving 
this issue across a complex network. Yet today, every public 
grade crossing has a phone number and identification number to 
communicate crossing-related issues, and companies use this and 
on-the-ground information to identify solutions such as new 
technologies, investing hard dollars, or changing up 
operational flows. More progress is necessary, and working 
together, we can achieve that.
    In closing, members of this subcommittee understand that 
railroads are safe, environmentally efficient, and critical to 
the U.S. economy. While we will continue to make progress 
through our own actions, we can also work together, 
facilitating smart safety improvements to save lives and 
minimize disruptions. Any legislative or regulatory efforts 
should be grounded in data and focused on desired outcomes. On 
the contrary, efforts that are focused on inputs and grounded 
in belief versus science are ill-advised and risk unintended 
consequences.
    Thank you for your time, and I look forward to our 
discussion today.
    [Mr. Jefferies' prepared statement follows:]

                                 
  Prepared Statement of Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive 
               Officer, Association of American Railroads
                              Introduction
    On behalf of the members of the Association of American Railroads 
(AAR), thank you for the opportunity to testify on the challenges and 
opportunities of grade crossing safety. AAR's members account for the 
vast majority of America's freight railroad mileage, employees, and 
traffic. Together with their Mexican and Canadian counterparts, U.S. 
freight railroads form an integrated, continent-wide network that 
provides safe, reliable, and efficient rail service.



    Most problems associated with highway-rail crossings occur at 
public grade crossings--where a railroad crosses a public roadway at 
road level. These problems can range from blocked crossings that cause 
congestion and safety concerns in communities, to motorist and 
pedestrian collisions that can result in loss of life or serious 
injury, but railroads are committed to addressing these concerns by 
working with federal, state, and local stakeholders and continue to see 
progress. Fatalities at grade crossings have declined over the last few 
decades as railroads have worked in collaboration with the Department 
of Transportation (DOT) and states to reduce the number of crossings 
and install safety devices across the country; with Congress to 
increase awareness by ensuring grade crossings are marked on GPS 
platforms and to create the Grade Crossing Elimination Program; and 
with public and private entities to address grade crossings safety and 
fund projects to close and separate grade crossings. Even with these 
collaborative efforts, railroads recognize more must be done to improve 
safety at grade crossings, support the communities in which they 
operate, and keep the rail network moving as safely and efficiently as 
possible.
     Railroads are Addressing Safety for Motorists and Pedestrians
    Because trains often require a mile or more to stop and can't 
deviate from their course, vehicle collisions and pedestrian accidents 
at grade crossings can occur, often with tragic results. These two 
categories--accidents at grade crossings and trespassing on railroad 
rights-of-way--typically account for approximately 95 percent of rail-
related fatalities and have a serious, often-unseen, impact on the 
railroad engineers who witness but can do nothing to stop the accident. 
For these reasons, railroads diligently work to improve motorist and 
pedestrian safety at grade crossings.
    All grade crossings are equipped either with train-activated 
``active warning devices'' (such as gates, flashing lights, and stop 
lights) or ``passive warning devices'' (such as crossbucks, stop signs, 
and yield signs). States, not railroads, are responsible for evaluating 
grade crossing risks and prioritizing grade crossings for improvement. 
The decision to install a specific type of warning device at a 
particular public grade crossing is typically made by the state highway 
authority and approved by the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), 
not by railroads. The characteristics of a crossing determine the 
appropriate type of warning devices. Factors that help predict the 
number and severity of accidents at a particular crossing include 
highway volumes, train traffic, maximum train speed, number of main 
tracks, number of highway lanes, and whether the crossing is rural or 
urban. Once installed, the maintenance of grade crossings and their 
warning devices is generally the responsibility of railroads.
    Over time, states are transitioning away from passive devices to 
active warning devices. For example, the number of gates at public 
crossings has grown by 40 percent since 2005. Because it is so 
difficult for freight trains to stop, these devices are designed for 
motorist safety. However, the deliberate violation of traffic laws is a 
major problem at grade crossings, including those with active warning 
devices. In 2022, 66 percent of all highway-rail crossing incidents, 
and 82 percent of crossing fatalities, occurred at crossings equipped 
with active warning devices. Motorists too often drive around lowered 
gates, ignore flashing lights and ringing bells, proceed through red 
traffic lights, or misjudge a train's speed and stopping capabilities, 
often with tragic results. Data from the Federal Railroad 
Administration (FRA) suggest that over the past 20 years, at least 
1,500 lives would have been saved at public highway-rail crossings if 
motorists had obeyed traffic laws when an active signal warned them a 
train was present or approaching. Although crossing incidents usually 
arise from factors largely outside railroad control, railroads are 
committed to reducing the frequency of crossing incidents.
    Significant progress has been made in improving grade crossing 
safety, as shown by FRA data, but more can be done. Grade crossing 
collisions in 2022 were down 37 percent from 2000, and the grade 
crossing collision rate was 22 percent lower in 2022 than in 2000.
    Trespassing is another area of concern at grade crossings. It is an 
unfortunate reality that too many people inappropriately use railroad 
property for short cuts, recreation, or other purposes, sometimes with 
tragic results.
    Most grade crossing and rail-related pedestrian accidents are 
preventable and can best be reduced through education, engineering, and 
enforcement. The average American does not realize the destructive 
force of a fast-moving, fully-loaded freight train. Operation 
Lifesaver, a non-profit whose central message is ``look, listen, and 
live,'' deserves special commendation for its efforts to educate the 
public about the dangers of grade crossings and trespassing on railroad 
property. Operation Lifesaver started in Idaho in 1972 and today has 
chapters in nearly every state. Its educators, many of whom are current 
or retired rail industry employees, have provided free safety 
presentations to millions of Americans, including school children, 
driver's education students, truck drivers, and bus drivers.
    Railroads also spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year to 
improve grade crossing safety through:
      Cooperating with state agencies to install and upgrade 
warning devices and signals and maintain them in perpetuity;
      Coordinating with state and local governments to plan and 
fund grade crossing separation projects;
      Supporting Operation Lifesaver with financial and other 
resources;
      Providing resources to close unneeded crossings;
      Coordinating with law enforcement and others to address 
safety concerns;
      Installing signs at grade crossings with telephone 
numbers the public can use to alert railroads to unsafe conditions; and
      Supporting tough penalties for grade crossing traffic 
violations and the inclusion of grade crossing safety in drivers' 
education programs.
Dedicated Funding for Grade Crossing and Pedestrian Safety is Essential
    Railroads believe the safest grade crossing is no grade crossing at 
all and have supported efforts to separate crossings through tunnels 
and bridges and to close unnecessary grade crossings. Dedicated federal 
funding to improve grade crossing safety and separate grade crossings 
has been essential because these projects often don't receive the same 
funding priority as other infrastructure needs in broader competitive 
grant programs.



    For example, the Section 130 program administered by the FHWA 
provides federal funding for states to improve safety at grade 
crossings. Most recently, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act 
(IIJA) allocated $245 million in Section 130 funds each year through 
2026 for installing new and upgraded warning devices and improving 
grade crossing surfaces.
    In addition, the Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program, 
created by Section 22305 of the IIJA, provides more than $500 million 
per year in competitive grants through 2026 for state and local 
governments to eliminate highway-rail grade crossings, which are often 
complex, expensive projects state and local governments could not fund 
on their own. The program is designed to create a pipeline of grade 
crossing elimination projects through smaller planning and engineering 
grants as well. On June 5, 2023, the FRA announced the first grant 
awards under the new program, providing $570 million to improve grade 
crossing safety across 32 states.
    These investments will have a major impact in states and 
communities around the country, and I am pleased to be testifying 
alongside Indiana's DOT Commissioner, Michael Smith, whose state has 
been at the forefront of addressing grade crossing safety. Indiana's 
Railroad Grade Crossing Fund and Grade Crossing Closing grants, which 
provide incentive funding for communities to close at-grade public 
crossings, served as a model on which IIJA's grade crossing program was 
built. Because of their focus on grade crossing safety, Indiana was 
well positioned to apply for the Grade Crossing Elimination Program and 
was awarded $21 million in Fiscal Year 2023 to eliminate three 
crossings in the state. Their work is one example of how collaboration 
between the federal government, states, and railroads can lead to 
better safety outcomes.
    Railroads commend this committee for addressing these critical 
public needs through these programs, which will save lives, prevent 
injuries, and keep people and freight moving safely and reliably 
throughout the country. We fully support both programs and look forward 
to continuing to work with the Committee to provide robust funding in 
the years to come.
                 Causes of Blocked Crossings Are Varied
    Railroads understand blocked crossings impact communities and seek 
to minimize those impacts in all aspects of their operations. However, 
as communities near rail lines and rail facilities expand, new 
challenges related to grade crossings arise. Railroads hate stopped 
trains almost as much as the impacted communities, and it's in the best 
interest of railroads to keep trains moving safely and minimize these 
impacts. Because of the complexity of rail operations and the 
sometimes-competing demands of stakeholders, finding effective 
solutions can be challenging. Railroads are committed to working with 
local officials and other stakeholders.
    There are many causes of blocked crossings. Some blocked crossings 
result from rail operating practices, including trains servicing rail 
customer facilities near a crossing, congestion on the tracks ahead or 
in a nearby rail yard, or mandatory safety tests or crew changes 
required by government regulations, among other issues. In many cases, 
blockages occur at crossings near customer facilities or rail 
facilities that were originally built in isolated areas but, because of 
community expansion, now find themselves adjacent to roadways or 
developed areas. Other blocked crossings result from events over which 
railroads have little or no control, including weather events and 
accidents or incidents on neighboring tracks. When these unpredictable 
events occur, railroads work very hard to return to normal operations 
and reduce impacts on nearby communities.
    The need to keep the network moving safely and efficiently provides 
a major incentive for railroads to work diligently to prevent blocked 
crossings from occurring and address them as quickly as possible.
        Railroads Are Working to Reduce Grade Crossing Blockages
    Railroads work closely with local officials, operating personnel, 
customers, and others to identify where and why blockages are occurring 
and to develop strategies to avoid future problems. Today, every public 
grade crossing has a 24/7 emergency phone number and an identification 
number to communicate crossing-related issues with the railroads. 
Railroads use this information, along with information from their 
operating teams and other sources, to identify workable solutions to 
blocked crossings. Some railroads are investing in new technology, 
including dynamic signs that let motorists and first responders know 
when a train is occupying an upcoming crossing or to display estimated 
wait times so community members can avoid the area if possible.
    Sometimes site-specific adjustments to operating practices are 
feasible. For example, when blockages are caused by trains entering or 
exiting a customer facility, timing could be modified to minimize 
blockages. Additionally, railroads may be able to move crew change 
locations to lessen the impact on surrounding communities. However, 
changes to rail operating practices are not always feasible. Railroads 
must consider the impact on the national network and rail service when 
making operational decisions while also taking into account the impact 
on communities in which they operate.
    Railroads also address blocked crossings through infrastructure 
investments, such as lengthening or building new sidings to accommodate 
current train lengths or, as mentioned above, working with state and 
local governments to eliminate and separate a crossing as appropriate.
    Railroads Are Working to Improve the Safety of Their Operations
    For freight railroads, pursuing safe operations is not an option; 
it's an imperative. Railroads are proud of their current safety record. 
However, early last year, we all saw the impact a train derailment can 
have on a community. Every rail accident is one too many, and 
railroads' ultimate goal is to eliminate accidents altogether. We 
remain focused on the three tenets of safety improvement: responding 
when accidents occur, improving mitigation efforts, and preventing 
future incidents.
    While we don't have complete data for all of 2023, Federal Railroad 
Administration (FRA) data confirms that 2022, the most recent year for 
which complete data is available, was the safest year ever for 
incidents involving hazardous materials and for mainline derailments:
      The overall train accident rate was 23 percent lower in 
2022 than in 2000. The accident rate for trains traveling on railroad 
mainlines--that is, outside of rail yards--was 42 percent lower in 2022 
than in 2000. For Class I freight railroads, the mainline accident rate 
was down 47 percent from 2000 and set a record low in 2022.
      The overall train derailment rate fell 29 percent from 
2000 to 2022.
      The rate of train accidents caused by track defects fell 
53 percent from 2000 to 2022 and set a record low in 2022.
      The rate of accidents caused by equipment defects (mainly 
locomotives and freight cars) fell 19 percent from 2000 to 2022.
      The hazardous materials accident rate in 2022 was 73 
percent lower than in 2000.
      From 2000 through 2022, the employee injury rate was down 
46 percent, and preliminary data indicates 2023 will have a record low 
employee on duty fatality rate. According to data from the Department 
of Labor, railroads have lower employee injury rates than most other 
major industries, including trucking, airlines, agriculture, mining, 
manufacturing, and construction--even lower than grocery stores.

    This data makes clear that our employees' strong safety culture, 
paired with the industry's sustained, disciplined investments in 
maintenance and technologies that target the primary causes of 
accidents, deliver meaningful safety results. Every train accident is 
one too many, and the need to make progress in the march to zero 
accidents is ever present.
                               Conclusion
    Freight railroads recognize the importance of continuing their 
commitment to the safety of their employees, their customers, and the 
communities in which they operate. The rail industry will continue to 
work closely and cooperatively with Congress, individual states, the 
FRA, and others to reduce the frequency of accidents at highway-rail 
crossings and across the network. Railroads must keep improving in all 
aspects of rail safety, but the progress made demonstrates that the 
industry will do what it takes to meet that challenge.

    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Mr. Jefferies. I would like to 
recognize Mr. Carson from Indiana to introduce our final 
witness.
    Mr. Carson. Thank you so very much, Chairman Nehls and 
Ranking Member Payne. Thank you for allowing me to introduce 
one of our witnesses today, Mr. Mike Smith from the great 
Hoosier State. He is the commissioner of Indiana's Department 
of Transportation since 2022.
    Mike is responsible for INDOT's 3,500 employees and a $4 
billion annual budget. Prior to his service in State 
government, he worked in the private sector with the Nation's 
largest retailer with a degree in management from Indiana 
University's Kelley School of Business.
    Mike has been very focused on addressing the terrible 
problem our State faces with blocked railroad crossings. With 
more than 7,500 grade crossings, the fifth highest in the 
country, Indiana and Indianapolis are truly the crossroads of 
America, and it is my great honor to welcome this hard-working 
Hoosier to testify before our rail subcommittee today.
    Thank you, and I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Mr. Carson.
    With that, Commissioner Smith, you are recognized for 5 
minutes.

   TESTIMONY OF HON. MICHAEL J. SMITH, COMMISSIONER, INDIANA 
                  DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

    Mr. Smith. Thank you, Congressman Carson, and thank you, 
Chair Nehls, and thank you to all the members of the committee 
for the opportunity to testify today concerning highway-rail 
crossings and rail crossing safety.
    Indiana faces a unique challenge, but also immense 
opportunity. With Chicago, the Nation's largest rail hub, near 
the Hoosier State, some of the busiest rail lines cross our 
State, resulting in more than 7,500 highway grade crossings, 
the fifth highest in the United States. Over the last two 
decades, we have seen a decrease in the number of highway-rail 
grade crossing collisions. And as a State, we have made great 
strides in our efforts to improve safety and mobility through 
crossing removals, grade separations, and other upgrades.
    Even as we gain momentum, Indiana still finds itself among 
the highest rate of incidents of rail crossing collisions, 
injuries, and fatalities on a year-over-year basis. As of 
November, there were 78 collisions at highway-rail grade 
crossings, resulting in 12 fatalities and 20 injuries in our 
State. These numbers make it clear that there is more work to 
do.
    In Indiana, there are multiple agents of change underway, 
including our own Local Trax Rail Overpass Program, through 
which the agency serves as an example to others with an 
innovative program that promotes and encourages collaboration 
and teamwork amongst State entities, local entities, and the 
private sector. In 2018, Governor Holcomb and INDOT announced 
12 local communities would receive awards for Local Trax 
funding for grade separation, crossing closure, and other 
safety enhancements. Our total investment was $125 million, so, 
$125 million of State investment and skin in the game in 
solving this problem. We anticipate that 11 of those projects 
will be underway by next year.
    One of the larger Local Trax efforts is a grade separation 
project in Elkhart County. This more than $40 million 
construction project will construct a rail overpass to improve 
safety and mobility for motorists, pedestrians, and trains at 
two existing at-grade crossings.
    Multiple projects in Indiana were recipients of a total of 
$21 million in the Railroad Crossing Elimination Grants from 
the FRA. One of those specifically was the Governor's Parkway 
Railroad Overpass, which Ranking Member Payne mentioned as a 
sticking point for students having to cross underneath train 
cars. The nearly $17 million project will eliminate two at-
grade crossings and provide a safer, more efficient grade-
separated overpass for all road users in the area where we have 
significant long-term train blockages.
    The State has also seen an exponential growth in the 
successful use of Section 130 Rail-Highway Crossing Program 
funds. Through this Federal program, Indiana is on track to 
improve 85 of the top 100 most dangerous and high-risk public 
crossing areas over the next 5 years in our State.
    The State's data-driven approach and comprehensive planning 
efforts have resulted in 122 crossing improvement projects in 
just the last 3 years alone, including safety improvements such 
as installing warning bells, lights, and overhead cantilevers, 
in addition to some of the larger and major improvements that I 
have already discussed.
    Indiana's efforts are outlined in the State's Highway-Rail 
Grade Crossing Safety Action Plan. As we await final approval 
on that plan from the FRA, a variety of strategies have been 
identified, some of which include closing crossings, which is a 
great priority in our State; creating separations to eliminate 
the traffic between road users and trains; upgrading passive 
warnings to active; and engaging local agencies on traffic 
signal preemption.
    We are also proud of the work that we are doing on the 
South Shore Line to double track and make that facility more 
safe, which is on the way to being completed this spring or 
summer. The West Lake Corridor extension of that line is to be 
opened in 2025, which is the largest investment in public 
transit and commuter rail in the State's history.
    And as a quick aside, my final item on the way to Vision 
Zero, the agency and myself have set a goal of reducing 
fatalities and severe incidents across our network to include 
rail, bike path, and highway safety over the next 10 years.
    I thank you for your time.
    [Mr. Smith's prepared statement follows:]

                                 
  Prepared Statement of Hon. Michael J. Smith, Commissioner, Indiana 
                      Department of Transportation
    To the Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous 
Materials:
    My name is Mike Smith, Commissioner of the Indiana Department of 
Transportation. It's an honor to be here today and I thank you for your 
time.
    Concerning highway-rail crossings and rail crossing safety, Indiana 
faces a unique challenge that comes with immense opportunity. With 
Chicago, the nation's largest rail hub, in close proximity to the 
Hoosier State, some of the busiest rail lines cross Indiana, resulting 
in more than 7,500 highway-grade crossings, the fifth highest in the 
U.S.
    Over the last two decades, we've seen a decrease in the number of 
highway-rail grade crossing collisions and as a state, we've made great 
strides in our efforts to improve safety and mobility through crossing 
removals, grade separations and other upgrades.
    Even as we gain momentum, Indiana still finds itself among the 
highest incidences of rail crossing collisions, injuries and fatalities 
each year. As of November, there were 78 collisions at public highway-
railroad crossings in 2023, resulting in 12 fatalities and 20 injuries. 
These numbers make it clear that the job is not finished, and there is 
more work to be done.
    In Indiana, multiple agents of change are in play related to rail 
crossing safety, one of those being INDOT's Local Trax Rail Overpass 
Program, through which the agency serves as an example to others in 
developing innovative programs that promote and encourage collaboration 
and teamwork amongst state, local, and private partners.
    In 2018, Governor Eric Holcomb and INDOT announced twelve local 
communities receiving Local Trax funding for grade separation, crossing 
closure and other safety enhancement projects at local rail 
intersections, totaling more than $125 million in state dollars. We 
anticipate eleven projects across the state to be under construction by 
the end of next year (2025).
    One of the larger Local Trax efforts is a grade separation project 
in Elkhart County. The more than $40 million project will construct a 
rail overpass to improve safety and mobility for motorists, pedestrians 
and trains at two existing at-grade crossings. In addition to the grade 
separation, the county is investing in nearby infrastructure, further 
improving the area for the local community.
    Multiple projects in Indiana were recipients of a total of $21 
million in Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) grants from the Federal 
Railroad Administration (FRA), one of those being the Governor's 
Parkway Railroad Overpass project in Hammond. The nearly $17 million 
project will eliminate two at-grade crossings and provide a safer, more 
efficient grade-separated overpass for all road users in an area that 
regularly sees long-term train blockages, resulting in access concerns 
for pedestrians, drivers and emergency services.
    These efforts, through INDOT's Local Trax program, are an 
illustration of the agency's ongoing commitment to engage and 
collaborate with local partners to improve safety, mobility and quality 
of life for Hoosiers.
    The State has also seen exponential growth in successful use of 
Section 130 Rail-Highway Crossing Program funds. Through the federal 
program, Indiana is on track to improve 85 of the state's top 100 high-
risk public crossings over the next five years (by 2029).
    The State's data-driven approach and comprehensive planning efforts 
have resulted in 122 crossing improvement projects in the last three 
years alone (2021-2023), including safety improvements such as 
installation of warning bells, lights and overhead cantilevers to 
larger-scale grade separation projects and crossing removals.
    Indiana's efforts are outlined in the state's Highway-Rail Grade 
Crossing Safety Action Plan. As we await final plan approval from the 
FRA, a variety of strategies have been identified to continue our focus 
on system-wide, multidisciplinary solutions that will be prioritized 
for funding and implemented going forward, including:
      Closing crossings or creating separations to eliminate 
interactions between trains and road users
      Upgrading passive warnings to active, improving and 
maintaining existing devices
      Engaging local agencies on traffic signal preemption and 
how it can be implemented
      Collaborating with railroads and local agencies to 
explore broader implementation and maintenance of passive warning 
enhancements
      Informing and educating stakeholders on highway-rail 
grade crossing topics
      Considering rail-grade crossing safety in all 
transportation projects
      Collaborating with enforcement agencies to help prevent 
crashes at highway-rail grade crossings

    Aside from crossing safety improvements, progress is continuing on 
the South Shore Line's Double Track and West Lake Corridor commuter 
rail projects in northwest Indiana. Both projects will enhance mobility 
in one of the state's largest urban areas near Chicago and make up the 
largest public transit investment in state history. The Double Track 
project is expected to begin revenue service in spring/summer 2024, 
followed by the West Lake Corridor project in 2025.
    The final concept I have to share is INDOT's new agency safety 
goal--to reduce fatalities and incapacitating injuries by 25 percent 
over 10 years. This is a measurable goal for the entirety of Indiana's 
roadway network, state and local, and includes incidents at highway-
rail crossings. INDOT will be leading the charge in this endeavor and 
intends to work with partners at all levels to create positive change 
and improve roadway safety. One of the biggest challenges we're up 
against, similar to crossing safety, is changing driver behavior. In a 
world of cell phones and other countless distractions for drivers, it's 
imperative that we all work together on the shared priority that is 
safety.

    Mr. Nehls. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. Thank you all for 
your testimony. We now turn to questions for the panel. I will 
recognize myself for 5 minutes.
    Administrator Bose, the Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant 
Program is just over 2 years old. Two years. For fiscal year 
2022, FRA issued a Notice of Funding Opportunity for this 
program, but failed to do so in 2023. Given the importance of 
this program for railroad safety, why did the FRA fail to 
release a Notice of Funding Opportunity for fiscal year 2023?
    Mr. Bose. Mr. Chairman, thank you for that question.
    Implementing the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law was a huge 
undertaking at FRA. We needed to have the resources in place to 
have a robust program. So, that is one reason. But we look 
forward to the next round going out as soon as possible.
    Mr. Nehls. Do you anticipate a time? Can you----
    Mr. Bose [interrupting]. We are going to have a calendar in 
the very near future, in January, of all of our grant programs 
for this year. So, you will see that very soon.
    Mr. Nehls. All right. One of today's hearing's purposes is 
to discuss ways in which the Federal Government can better 
support grade crossing elimination and safety efforts. Can you 
explain how FRA has worked to make sure that the money is 
easily accessible?
    Mr. Bose. Yes, sir. FRA has an Office of Regional Outreach 
and Project Delivery. We make sure that we go out into 
communities, into States to make sure that they know that this 
funding is available.
    We know some smaller communities, smaller entities may have 
problems, or may not have the technical expertise to apply. So, 
we try to make sure they know what to do and provide them the 
resources to do so. And again, we just try to get the word out, 
and also encourage them to work with the host railroads.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes. In your testimony, it says Texas--and I 
think we lead the way in many things, but we also lead the way 
as it relates to the number of blocked crossings, I think about 
6,500 of them. About 21 percent of all the reported blocked 
crossings took place in Texas. What are we doing wrong?
    I think, Mr. Jefferies, you even you brought it up. What 
are we doing wrong here in the great State of Texas?
    Mr. Bose. Well, Mr. Chairman, it is going to take a 
collective effort to improve on that in Texas. It involves FRA, 
it involves the railroads, it involves the communities, law 
enforcement and others, first responders.
    In Texas, we try to take a can-do attitude and started in 
Houston really rolling up our sleeves and tackling the 
situation there. We are also focusing on Texas in terms of 
auditing grade crossings there.
    So, we have a whole program in places like Texas, also 
Washington State and other places. So, we will definitely do 
more.
    Mr. Nehls. The entire panel, what recommendations do you 
have for us to better improve the Grade Crossing Elimination 
Grant Program?
    Ms. Homendy?
    Ms. Homendy. Well, one thing I would say, the program 
itself, funding is key. I think we have to remember that States 
are in need of funding, but also, we can't forget the need to 
communicate with local communities.
    In Mendon, Missouri--138 people is the population of 
Mendon, Missouri. When we arrived on scene, I went to find 
Farmer Mike, who was all over social media, talking about the 
dangers of this crossing. This crossing was not identified as a 
high-risk crossing because there weren't incidents at it 
before. But it was well known by all the farmers as a dangerous 
crossing. I think we have to remember how important 
communication is.
    Mr. Nehls. I agree.
    Ms. Homendy. Because a lot of times they are not heard. 
They need to be heard. Also, at some point, I would love to 
talk about the years-long process and redtape that States and 
local communities experience when it comes to fixing some of 
these crossings.
    Mr. Nehls. Mr. Jefferies, is $600 million enough?
    Mr. Jefferies. I think when it comes to grade separations, 
no amount of money is going to be enough.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes.
    Mr. Jefferies. The challenge is enormous. We are grateful, 
and we are advocates for the program.
    I associate myself with the Administrator's comments. I 
think making sure communities are aware of the opportunities 
out there, and vice versa, and getting that money put to work 
quickly.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes.
    Mr. Jefferies. Put it to work quickly.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes.
    Mr. Jefferies. It takes years, upwards of 10 years, for 
reviews before dollars go to the ground.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes, yes. Thank you, thank you.
    Ms. Homendy, I've got a question about FAA. The FAA 
reauthorization expires here on March 8. We did a good job in 
the House, it is over in the Senate. They are squabbling over 
there, this and that. We extended it to March 8. How do you 
feel about that?
    And there shouldn't be any more extensions. Would you agree 
with me on that?
    Ms. Homendy. No extensions. There should not be any more 
extensions on FAA. They need long-term, robust funding.
    Mr. Nehls. Yes.
    Ms. Homendy. Your support--we need an FAA reauthorization 
bill, which, by the way, your bill also reauthorizes the NTSB. 
So, thank you for that.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. Thank you.
    With that, I will now recognize Ranking Member Payne for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for those 
poignant questions. They are very important.
    Chair Homendy, of the dozens and dozens of open 
recommendations the NTSB has regarding rail safety, has there 
been a common theme regarding worker fatigue and sickness?
    Ms. Homendy. We have seen worker fatigue in past 
investigations. We have called, for example, on the FRA to 
implement a rulemaking on obstructive sleep apnea. It would be 
screening, diagnosis, and treatment for obstructive sleep 
apnea, which contributes significantly to fatigue and fatigued 
workers.
    Mr. Payne. OK. What are some of the recommendations the 
Board has to address these problems?
    Ms. Homendy. On fatigue?
    Mr. Payne. Yes.
    Ms. Homendy. In addition to the screening for obstructive 
sleep apnea, we have also recommended that the railroads work 
with the labor unions to develop, within the hours-of-service 
rules, scientifically based scheduling.
    Mr. Payne. And what has the response been from the 
railroads?
    Ms. Homendy. It varies among the railroads, but I would be 
happy to get back to you on that. Some are still open.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you.
    Mr. Jefferies, in March 2023, you authored a letter to 
Secretary Buttigieg stating the following: ``I am writing on 
behalf of the freight rail industry to inform you that all 
seven Class I railroads have agreed to join FRA's voluntary 
Confidential Close Call Reporting System, as requested in your 
February 27, 2023, letter to Class I CEOs.'' That did not 
indicate a negotiation, that statement said that all seven 
Class I railroads agreed to join the C3RS program as it stands, 
full stop.
    It has been 10\1/2\ months since you sent that letter, and 
not even one of the Class I railroads has joined the program. 
What is the holdup?
    Mr. Jefferies. Thank you for that question, Ranking Member 
Payne, and I can say that that commitment remains.
    The Class I's stand by that commitment, and that is why I 
sent a followup letter in August reiterating that commitment to 
Secretary Buttigieg and making clear that railroads were ready 
to sign up that day for a program that allows for reporting of 
all unknown events and a frequency of reporting known events 
with immunity from any sort of discipline that is significantly 
more generous from that which exists in the FAA program, which 
I believe is considered the model program.
    At the same time, railroads do all have existing programs 
that allow employees to report concerns confidentially, and 
many have shifted away from a discipline-based approach 
paradigm to a coaching-based paradigm.
    So, the commitment stands. We have had several meetings 
with the FRA and our union counterparts. Unfortunately, the 
January meeting, I believe, the FRA had to cancel. But we look 
forward to getting this across the finish line. I know it has 
taken a long time, but the commitment still stands.
    Mr. Payne. Well, I appreciate that, but we really need to 
see some movement. It's good to hear that everybody is ready 
and willing to go, but if there is no implementation, then the 
words just kind of fall on deaf ears.
    I understood that answer to mean that the Class I railroads 
are reneging on the statement you made in your letter now that 
the Norfolk Southern derailment in East Palestine is far enough 
in the rearview mirror.
    And I will yield back. Hopefully, there might be an 
opportunity for a second round.
    Mr. Jefferies. OK. I would make clear we are absolutely not 
reneging on that commitment.
    Mr. Payne. OK, we shall see.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields.
    Just information for this committee, Ms. Homendy, I think 
you have got a dead stop time at 12:15. Is that about right? 
Just let Members know.
    Ms. Homendy. I think we--yes.
    Mr. Nehls. OK.
    Ms. Homendy. We have a----
    Mr. Nehls [interposing]. Fair enough.
    Ms. Homendy. Yes.
    Mr. Nehls. Just so we are aware. OK, I will recognize the 
ranking member of the full committee, Mr. Larsen, for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Thanks 
to the panel.
    First for the Chair of the NTSB, do you have an update on 
the timeline--first off, I want to apologize to the people of 
East Palestine for mispronouncing their town. I sincerely want 
to apologize for that.
    And second, do you have an update for us on the timeline to 
complete the NTSB report for the derailment?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes. I anticipate that the Board will be 
together to discuss the final investigative report late spring, 
early summer.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. OK. Normally these reports take 
about a year, and that's going to be a little longer than a 
year.
    Ms. Homendy. They actually take 2 years, and it will be a 
year and just a couple of months.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. OK, all right, thanks. That's 
important----
    Ms. Homendy [interrupting]. May I just add?
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Please.
    Ms. Homendy. This was a very complex investigation with a 
lot of complex information. Plus we had a 2-day hearing in June 
which revealed other information that we wanted to dig in on. 
So, it does take some time to get to the right answers just so 
that we get to the right solutions.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. All right, thanks.
    There are dozens of outstanding rail safety recommendations 
that haven't been addressed or adequately acted upon. I don't 
want you to list all of them because you listed them in the 
hundreds. But are there some priorities for Congress when it 
comes to rail safety?
    Ms. Homendy. It is always hard for the NTSB to pick 
priorities, because every investigation is critical, and every 
one of our recommendations is critical. So, it's tough for me 
to put one over the other.
    But an area that you could look into are our 
recommendations for emergency responders, ensuring that they 
have the information that they need and appropriate training to 
respond to accidents and incidents.
    DOT 111 tank cars, phasing them out of high-hazard 
materials service, including flammable gases.
    A look at having a change in the regulation on how you 
define a high-hazard flammable train.
    Safety management systems. The risk reduction program that 
the committee put together--and I will be honest, I was on the 
committee at the time--is different than SMS in some of the 
other modes of transportation where aviation has been extremely 
successful. That might be something we want to look at: 
applying that SMS model from aviation to our railroads.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you.
    Administrator Bose, from an FRA perspective, can you 
describe your views on why it is difficult to get this Close 
Call Reporting requirement agreement actually implemented?
    And I will ask Mr. Jefferies to respond to the same.
    Mr. Bose. Thank you for the question, Mr. Ranking Member.
    C3RS is a voluntary program that enables railroads and 
their employees to improve the safety culture of their 
organizations through proactive identification of safety 
hazards before accidents occur. I know we have been engaged in 
talking with AAR, also with individual railroad companies. I am 
confident we can have a breakthrough to have the first Class I 
railroad be a part of the program. We have over 30,000 railroad 
employees covered right now, whether it is through short line 
railroads, commuter railroads, or Amtrak. We just need Class I 
railroads to join an existing program, not to change the 
program completely to bend to a new program. We have an 
existing program that's worked, that has been recognized by 
GAO. We hope and we encourage folks to join that.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes. Mr. Jefferies, do you have 
any response to my question?
    Mr. Jefferies. On C3RS?
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes, that's right.
    Mr. Jefferies. Well, again, the commitment is there. We 
want a program that works, that is pro-safety at the end of the 
day. And I have laid out a number of options we think are 
objective improvements to the program, and those conversations 
continue.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Would--so just--I am not trying 
to get into an argument, I am trying to figure this out, 
because this happens in the----
    Mr. Jefferies [interposing]. Right.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington [continuing]. Airline industry, 
where they have a system like this. It's probably not exactly 
the same one, but it is one. It's one system, it's not----
    Mr. Jefferies [interposing]. Right.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington [continuing]. One for one set of 
railroads and another system for another set of railroads, or 
one set of airlines and one for another set of airlines. It is 
one system.
    Mr. Jefferies. There are----
    Mr. Larsen of Washington [interrupting]. So, what is wrong 
with that approach, from your perspective.?
    Mr. Jefferies. Well, I think that you hit the nail on the 
head. What we are suggesting is something that's modeled 
precisely on the FAA program that includes unlimited use of 
unknown events, and then allows for any risk of immunity for a 
known event once every 5 years. We have suggested once every 3 
years, so, it's even more lenient than the FAA program.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes, well, I have got some 
followup questions because it's still a matter of creating one 
system.
    So, you are suggesting to create one system, but then make 
everyone else change to what you want, as opposed to the Class 
I's moving----
    Mr. Jefferies [interrupting]. I would suggest those who are 
in the program have also suggested changes are necessary.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. You are suggesting that. Have 
they?
    Mr. Jefferies. Yes.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. It is probably their job to say 
that, not your job, just as I----
    Mr. Jefferies [interrupting]. Right, exactly. So, I don't 
want to put words in other people's mouths.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. No, that is Congress' job.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thanks so much, and I will yield 
back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. Babin 
for 5 minutes.
    Dr. Babin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it, and 
thank you, witnesses, for being here.
    I represent the 36th Congressional District in the State of 
Texas and the Port of Houston. We have more petrochemical 
refining facilities than just about anywhere else in the entire 
country. And we have to have trains and trucks that run on time 
to get our materials there. The Port of Houston is the largest 
port for waterborne tonnage.
    Administrator Bose, the first question for you, it seems 
like we should be able to inspect train brake systems with 
technology while a train is underway, in motion, versus having 
to stop train traffic mid-journey, have someone walk around the 
train using only a visual to spot potential problems, while 
slowing it down and overall freight and supply chain problems 
resulting.
    Can you give me the anticipated timeline for FRA approval 
of a pending waiver expansion petition on the brake health 
effectiveness technology which has already been reviewed by 
FRA's Safety Board?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, thank you for that question about 
the brake health effectiveness waiver that BNSF, number one, 
already has, a brake health effectiveness waiver. They are 
seeking to expand that area that that waiver covers that they 
already have. That petition is pending right now at the Federal 
Railroad Administration.
    The waivers are discretionary at FRA. The railroad is 
asking to deviate from FRA safety regulations. We will review 
that in the due course under our safety regulations, and make 
sure it meets the highest levels of safety.
    I will tell you also, Congressman, our innovation 
principles that we have laid out requested that any time there 
is a technology request in the waiver process, that there is 
consultation with the workers that will use them and the 
workers on which that technology will rely.
    Dr. Babin. Thank you.
    And also, Chairwoman Homendy, I know you answered some 
questions already about East Palestine, but I want to talk 
about grade crossings. What trendings--and you have mentioned 
some of them already--has the NTSB seen in transportation 
incidents and accidents at these grade crossings?
    And can you give me some of y'all's recommendations 
specific to those grade crossings?
    And how can States best prioritize resources to address the 
problem, as well?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes, some of the trends we have seen are the 
need for grade separation at high-risk locations, improved 
signage and warning, support and work between the States and 
Operation Lifesaver, which is important. They do a lot to 
educate drivers to safely navigate grade crossings. So, the 
support for them is critical. That actually comes from an NTSB 
recommendation. High-profile crossings, to make sure that--hump 
crossings--cars don't get stuck on the crossings. So, that has 
to be addressed.
    And as far as local resources, it is critical, again, that 
there is communication between States and local communities. We 
cannot forget the input of local communities because if we are 
only relying on data--data is key, but you also need to talk 
with the local communities, because you may not have had any 
sort of incidents in the past, but have a well known problem. 
And making sure that local communities understand what 
resources are available and that there is assistance by all the 
players.
    Dr. Babin. OK, thank you.
    And then, Administrator Bose, one more question for you. 
One program that improves safety and modernizes the rail 
network that you discussed, the program is CRISI--is it CRISI, 
is that the way you pronounce it?--the Consolidated Rail 
Infrastructure and Safety Improvements Program to help short 
line railroads repair and rehabilitate worn-out track and rail 
infrastructure, a leading cause of derailments on short lines. 
But these grants go toward passenger rails, it seems like, more 
frequently, like the $200 million in CRISI funds that FRA 
awarded to the California high-speed rail project last year.
    And I understand that in a few weeks, your agency will 
release the funding notice for the next tranche of funds, $2.4 
billion, and many eligible railroads like short lines will have 
to compete for those funds. I am very concerned that, with that 
much funding available just a few months before an election, 
the administration may favor just a handful of glitzy passenger 
rail projects.
    Safety should absolutely come first. So, can you please 
give your commitment that FRA will take the proper amount of 
time to fairly review the many competitive short line projects 
that will apply in the next CRISI funding cycle, and not rush 
this money out the door to a handful of headline-grabbing 
passenger rail projects on the eve of our election?
    Mr. Bose. Thank you for the question, Congressman. The 
Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements 
Program is an absolute cornerstone of FRA's funding programs. 
We know that the short line railroads benefit from that 
program. That's why in the last round of funding, we awarded 
over 50 percent of the funding to the short line railroads. And 
you absolutely have my commitment that we will give fair and 
due consideration to short line applications.
    I will just note, when you talked about passenger rail 
projects, the passenger rail projects that we selected, such as 
the gulf coast--you mentioned California--those actually are 
our overshared railways, or they are separating freight from 
passenger rail. So, there is a freight rail component to those 
projects. So, I just wanted to note that.
    But I take your point, and we definitely want to use CRISI 
as much as possible, and we hope we can get even more funding 
from the authorized levels.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Dr. Babin. Sorry about that.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Moulton for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Moulton. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for holding 
this important hearing.
    I might be the only member of this committee who has worked 
for a Class I railroad. I worked for Burlington Northern Santa 
Fe back in college, back when it was called a railroad, and not 
a stock ticker symbol. But I won't digress further into the 
implications of that aside. I keep in close touch with my 
connections in the industry.
    Now, Norfolk Southern's East Palestine derailment has 
thrown freight rail safety into the public eye in a way that 
has rarely been seen before. But we can't lose the forest for 
the trees here. Railroads are still the safest form of 
transportation in the United States, and the vast majority of 
derailments happen in rail yards, not on main lines. In 2023, 
there were 22,543 hazardous material incidents on highways; 
22,543 compared to 297 hazmat incidents on the railroads. Since 
2012, there have been zero railway deaths with hazardous 
materials, while there have been 82 fatalities from hazmat 
accidents on highways.
    I have been working across the aisle on rail safety 
measures and, like any regulations, our goal is to lower 
accidents while simultaneously encouraging transit by rail. 
Because if we were to do the opposite, if we were to clamp down 
so hard on railroads that we push a lot of traffic to trucks, 
safety will get worse. And that's something that everyone on 
this committee needs to understand.
    Now, Precision Scheduled Railroading, or PSR, has come into 
the spotlight in recent years as well, because it has created 
trains that regularly exceed 2 or 3 miles in length, while just 
a decade ago, it was standard industry practice not to exceed 
around 7,500 feet. The National Academy is conducting a study 
on long trains to be published later this year.
    But Mr. Bose, understanding that additional action might 
come out of this report, what is FRA doing in the meantime to 
focus on the safe operation of such long trains?
    Mr. Bose. Thank you for the question, Congressman.
    First, I want to lead off with this fact that a lot of 
people ask me: there is no regulation on the length of trains 
in this country, period.
    So, why is----
    Mr. Moulton [interrupting]. Well, we might be changing 
that, so----
    Mr. Bose [interrupting]. There are multiple reasons, 
Congressman, and I appreciate your question there.
    Believe it or not, until I came to the FRA, FRA was not 
collecting data on the length of trains. That should be just a 
commonsense information-gathering that FRA should have been 
doing for years. We've changed that.
    Also, we are going to gather more information about long 
trains on a broader basis. We are working cooperatively with 
the National Academy of Sciences on their study. We also have 
our own study that we are hoping to complete by springtime that 
has been underway for years that we are hoping to wrap up.
    But I am encouraged and would be willing to work with 
anyone in Congress who is looking at the issue in a thoughtful 
manner.
    Mr. Moulton. I am also very interested in wayside 
detection. There has been a lot of talk about increasing the 
number of hotbox detectors or reducing the spacing of them as a 
result of the East Palestine disaster. But of course, this is a 
1960s technology.
    Back in the 1960s, a lot of railroads were still 
communicating by telegraph. If one of the conclusions of the 
report on East Palestine is that we didn't have good 
communication with the local community, as some people have 
said, I don't think we would be encouraging railroads to 
install more telegraphs, right?
    So, what we really have here is actually an opportunity to 
look at the next generation of monitoring technologies. There 
are all sorts of interesting technologies out there: acoustic 
monitoring, fiber optic, lidar, and a lot of onboard sensing 
technologies. I mean, half of us are walking around with 
onboard sensing technologies on our wrists just to measure our 
health. It's not an unreasonable expectation to expect that we 
might have those kinds of monitoring systems on railcars, which 
would not only be beneficial for safety, but would give real-
time data to railroads and car owners, maintainers, and 
literally, the engineers running the trains themselves. In 
fact, that is why several railroads have already started 
adopting some of this technology.
    So, I think it would be a huge mistake, Mr. Chairman, for 
the Congress to come down and mandate that we double down on 
the 1960s technologies when there is much better technology out 
there that we might help push the industry towards.
    Mr. Jefferies, how are railroads starting to implement some 
of this next generation technology?
    Mr. Jefferies. Well, Congressman, thank you for that 
question, and you hit the nail on the head.
    And one, that is within our recommendations, because it has 
often been noted that there is not a Federal nexus with wayside 
detection right now, and we want to make sure that any sort of 
Federal action around wayside detection doesn't lock us into 
today's--or worse yet, yesterday's--technology. We have got to 
have open-ended, innovative supporting regulations because 
you're right, the future is not hotbox detectors of yesterday 
or today. The future is not even acoustic bearing detectors, 
which are a great leap forward. The future is, potentially, 
onboard sensors, continuous sensing. The future is autonomous 
detection.
    And so, we have to make sure, collectively, any sort of 
policy structured around this allows for that consistent 
innovation with an ever-improving safety outcome.
    Mr. Moulton. Great. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. Rouzer 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Administrator, I understand your agency may soon unveil 
a new rule requiring railroads to have two crewmembers 
operating a train. Is that true?
    Mr. Bose. That's true.
    Mr. Rouzer. Even if they can safely operate the train with 
one person?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, it's a pending rulemaking right now. 
We have had a lot of comments, and we will address the point 
that you made.
    Mr. Rouzer. Well, I would just note that it would be the 
first time in the nearly 200-year history of railroading in the 
country where there has been a Federal rule on the number of 
people needed to operate a train. If it goes forward, hundreds 
of small, short line freight railroads will need to make 
artificial and inefficient economic and management decisions. 
They will be forced to put their limited resources towards 
hiring people they don't need instead of capital improvements. 
And obviously, this is a particularly acute issue for your 
small short line rails.
    I want to also underscore----
    Mr. Jefferies [interrupting]. Congressman?
    Mr. Rouzer. Yes, sir. Were you going to say something? Yes.
    Mr. Jefferies. I know the Administrator is constrained with 
what he can say. I fortunately am not. I can say unequivocally, 
we don't believe there is any objective data to support this 
rule. There wasn't in 2016. The administration said as much 
then. There wasn't when it was withdrawn in 2019. There is not 
today. This is a political gift made on the campaign trail in 
2020, and that is a fact, and we will fight this rule hard.
    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you for your comment there.
    I also want to underscore the point that my colleague, Mr. 
Babin, was stressing as it related to short line rail. The 
CRISI program is incredibly important. And to have those funds 
directed to my friend from California, Mr. LaMalfa's favorite 
project in California--which, actually, I have been out there 
to see, it looks more like a shelter for homeless than it does 
high-speed rail, quite honestly, just absolute, complete 
disaster--it's important, very important for those CRISI grants 
to go towards their intended purpose, not so much passenger 
rail that may or may not be in the best interest of the 
taxpayers of a particular State.
    I will let Mr. LaMalfa comment more on that, but Ms. 
Homendy, a question for you.
    The traffic incidents at rail crossings, is there a 
correlation with substance abuse there, increased substance 
abuse?
    And particularly, I am kind of wondering if, in those 
States that have legalized marijuana, have you seen an uptick 
in those types of issues there?
    Ms. Homendy. We have not tracked trends with respect to 
substance use and grade crossing collisions. However, we have 
investigated grade crossing collisions where there have been 
impaired individuals.
    Impairment is a big problem right now on our roads. We have 
over 10,000 people dying annually on our roads due just to 
alcohol impairment.
    When it comes to substance use beyond alcohol, frankly, we 
don't have a way to test people, and there is no 
standardization on testing among States on that. So, we are 
behind the curve on that, and it's a growing problem.
    Mr. Rouzer. Yes, I would be curious to see if there are any 
studies.
    Does anybody else have any comment on that, substance abuse 
as it relates to fatalities, injuries?
    Mr. Jefferies. I can speak from it more broadly. We have 
Federal drug rules that we follow closely and drug regulations 
regarding substance use because we are an inherently risky 
industry. And I can just tell you, from the employee 
standpoint, in those States where marijuana has been legalized, 
we wash out half of our potential employee base before we even 
get to day two when we talk about the fact that we rigorously 
drug test.
    And so, Chair Homendy referenced the accidents involving 
being impaired, but as far as potential employee base, it's an 
issue. It's a real issue for us.
    Mr. Rouzer. Yes, it's a real issue across the board for 
every employer.
    With that, I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. Carson 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Carson. Thank you, Chairman.
    I am very concerned about the worsening problems of blocked 
rail crossings from longer and longer freight trains, 
especially in places like downtown Indy, where major 
intersections have been blocked, literally, for hours. This is 
a serious safety problem, blocking emergency vehicles, even 
endangering lives, and it also hurts our supply chains, quite 
frankly, especially trucks that get stuck at these blocked 
crossings.
    Beyond some of the new resources in the infrastructure 
bill, I think there needs to be more statutory authority to 
address this problem, like provisions passed by this committee 
in the INVEST Act, which is why, quite frankly, we are working 
on reintroducing the Blocked Rail Crossings Safety Improvement 
Act to codify the committee-passed provisions.
    I am curious. Do you all think that these kinds of 
statutory changes would improve safety and passenger rail 
services related to on-time performances?
    And secondly, what more can our committee do to address 
this issue with the kind of specificity necessary?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, thank you for that question. I know 
it had multiple parts, so, if I don't answer every part, please 
bear with me.
    When you talk about blocked crossings specifically, I think 
that this is a good time to reflect on long trains, and the 
size of trains that are growing, and the amount of time that 
those trains occupy a grade crossing. That's one thing to keep 
in mind.
    Just as I said about regulation or a law about the train 
length, there is no law on the books about blocked crossings. 
So, I would just say please keep that in mind.
    When it comes to blocked crossings, we, in our safety 
advisory on train length, which we issued, brought up the fact 
that train length can affect crossings. So, again, there are 
linkages between the two.
    Another linkage there is we have seen that when there are 
multiple crewmembers on a train and there is a blocked 
crossing, that having more than one crewmember could be helpful 
in that situation to unblock that blocked crossing.
    So, again, all these things can work together, Congressman, 
but blocked crossings is an issue that I hear from Members all 
over the country about on a continuous basis.
    And members of this committee, having said that, in terms 
of things that could be done, FRA will roll up our sleeves 
community by community, using the tools that we have available, 
whether it's talking to the railroads directly--in several 
cases, such as Hammond, Indiana, I talked to CEO Alan Shaw 
specifically, and told him my expectations. Back then, UP CEO 
Jim Vena, I told him about my expectations about the east end 
of Houston and blocked crossings there, and it was CEO Lance 
Fritz.
    But I am happy for FRA to play a role under our authorities 
right now, and we will work with Congress and with the 
railroads and communities to do what we can to not have blocked 
crossings.
    Mr. Jefferies. Congressman, on----
    Mr. Carson [interposing]. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Jefferies. Just--you asked the panel--on train length, 
just to clarify, median train length in 2022 was about 5,200 
feet long, 90 percent of trains were less than 7,500 feet long.
    And I think we need to also think about commodity mix. When 
we have seen the significant decline in coal traffic, which has 
significantly shorter cars, and an increase in intermodal 
traffic, intermodal cars are significantly longer. So, a 100-
car intermodal train is going to be significantly longer than a 
100-car coal train. And let's remember, intermodal trains are 
taking trucks off the highway themselves.
    All that being said, it does no one any good to have a 
train sitting still. It doesn't help our communities we operate 
in, it doesn't help our customers. So, the goal is to have a 
safe, fluid network, and that is why we think it does take 
communities, it takes railroads looking at a myriad number of 
tools.
    The Administrator of the FRA has played a positive role in 
this. He talked about a few examples where we have seen 
progress, and we have got to keep chipping away at these high-
impact crossings and look for ways to improve that, because we 
need to be good public partners. And having a train stopping in 
the middle of a community, that's no way to achieve that.
    Mr. Carson. Yes, sir.
    Yes, sir.
    Mr. Smith. Congressman, I looked at the data for Indiana, 
our last full year of reporting up 49 percent in complaints for 
blocked crossings year over year. It is absolutely a problem. I 
think we understand and realize that, as has been mentioned, 
the safety benefit of getting as much freight onto the rail 
corridors is important, but we have to find common ground and 
try and solve this problem.
    Mr. Carson. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you all.
    I yield.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. 
LaMalfa for 5 minutes.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Jefferies, you had a statistic a while ago. Would you 
repeat that? I didn't quite catch it. It said something about 
80 percent of crossings with devices had issues. Can you 
recount that statistic?
    Mr. Jefferies. In my opening, I believe it was, there has 
been a 60-percent increase in crossings with active devices 
since 2005.
    Mr. LaMalfa. So, what you are saying----
    Mr. Jefferies [interrupting]. I need to fact-check myself, 
but I believe----
    Mr. LaMalfa [continuing]. Is that where you have the arms 
and the lights and the whole works there, there is still an 
increase of people driving around them, or running through 
them, or what have you, and running into trains?
    Mr. Jefferies. Unfortunately, yes. The vast majority of 
grade crossing incidents are due to risky driver behavior, 
trying to beat a train before it gets to a crossing.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Even with lights and arms, huh?
    Mr. Jefferies. Even with lights and arms. There is some 
horrific footage out there, unfortunately.
    Mr. LaMalfa. OK. So, at what point do we talk about 
responsibility of drivers, not closing more crossings or 
building more split grade crossings?
    At what point do we talk about the responsibility of 
drivers to not do stupid things?
    I mean, how much emphasis is there on driver training or, 
you know, when you get a speeding ticket and you have to go do 
driver's school, stuff like that?
    I am talking about this subject because what I hear on this 
panel is, like, well, the safest grade crossing is no grade 
crossing. Well, I represent a very rural area, and there is one 
hell of a lot of at-grade crossings that can't afford to be 
made into, as the fellow from Indiana said, a $40 million 
overcrossing. The $3 billion grant that is being talked about 
here, if that was devoted all to $40 million overgrade 
crossings, you could build 75 in this country with that grant.
    I also note at the same time there has been $3 billion more 
approved for California's high-speed rail boondoggle, a failed 
project, and another $3 billion for the ``Gambler's Special'' 
from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. So, I guess they are looking at 
these deals as important as this grade crossing concern.
    But that all said, for rural areas, and especially--example 
for the high-speed rail running through central California 
there--cutting farmers and ranchers and people off where this 
rail has to be so dedicated, so fenced off, now a farmer, 
pulling his tractor with a wide disc down the road, or moving 
his combine or whatever, moving cattle, now has to go extra 
miles around to get to another crossing there because this has 
cut them off, and you are going to see many, many examples of 
that.
    So, the Secretary is talking about Farmer Mike saying, 
well, we don't like this crossing. Well, I know a lot of Farmer 
Bobs that are saying if you take this crossing away from us, 
then I've got to move my equipment and everything I do, all my 
harvested crop has to go extra miles around because you guys 
closed the crossing, all in the idea of everything being 
safety. Well, I guess we want the world in a big plastic 
bubble, don't we? Because we have to--let's fill in all the 
swimming pools. Somebody might drown. And let's just stay in 
bed. Don't get out and go outside in the morning.
    We were looking at a proverb this morning that said, 
``Where no oxen are, the trough is clean,'' all right, ``but 
increase comes by the strength of an ox.'' So, I guess that 
locomotive could be seen as the ox. The locomotive needs to 
move, but so does the trucker, so does the tractor, so does the 
farmer. And people just in small communities that can't rely on 
Government grants coming from DC from yet another freaking big 
trillion-dollar project coming out of DC, an Inflation 
Reduction Act that's going to provide grant money for all this 
stuff. It's not going to happen with the amount of at-grade 
crossings you are talking about eliminating.
    Most of this panel said less at-grade crossings the better. 
Well, there is somewhat of a balance here. If you live in a 
city where there is a high-traffic road, the city of Redding, I 
think, only has one of them in northern California, and they 
have many others that are at-grade. You want to shut them all 
down? You want to paralyze the town, in addition to these rural 
areas?
    So, I don't hear a whole lot of balance in talking about 
who is fighting for--are you listening in the communities for 
people that don't want their at-grade crossings taken out? 
Maybe they can be improved with the approach. Maybe they can 
improve with the bigger lights and bigger arms or things like 
that.
    Mr. Bose, would you touch on that, please?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, we care about rural areas in 
multiple ways. We want to work with places. Let me just give 
you an example.
    The Mendon tragedy that Chair Homendy talked about, it was 
in Missouri. It was in a rural area. It was a hump crossing. 
There were visibility obstacles in that investigation that they 
found. So, there is mitigation and ways to improve that----
    Mr. LaMalfa [interrupting]. Did it have the lights?
    Mr. Bose. I am sorry?
    Mr. LaMalfa. Did it have gates and lights?
    Mr. Bose. No. And then can I just make one more point?
    Mr. LaMalfa. Sure.
    Mr. Bose. At FRA, we also looked at drivers manuals of all 
50 States, and whether they mention grade crossing safety or 
not, and there is a deficiency in the number of drivers manuals 
across the country, and also commercial driver's license 
requirements.
    Ms. Homendy. I know you are out of time. Can I comment on 
this? This is a really important point.
    When we were in Mendon, Missouri, and I sat in a barn with 
the farmer who was out there, they are split by the rail. And 
in this situation, the farmers all knew that this was a 
dangerous crossing. It wasn't just a humped crossing. It is 
literally like this [gesturing].
    And what would happen is, they would have to stop at the 
stop sign that was down a hill. Try getting a combine up that, 
or any dump truck. What would happen is--and the farmer would 
tell us--he would start approaching the crossing. Most people 
knew that you would have to just rev the engine and go through 
the stop sign, and then get up the hill. And then, because of 
the angle of the crossing, he would have to literally stand up 
in the combine to look to see if he could see the train, 
because it was a passive crossing, and then get across it.
    Closing crossings is not the only solution. There are so 
many other things we can do. In this one, change the design or 
the profile of the crossing to allow others to cross it safely, 
not putting them in such a dangerous position. So, there are 
lots of great things we can do to improve great crossing safety 
in your rural communities.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Well, as long as you are not taking it away. I 
would love to see--I have one like that in Yuba County. You 
could do a great ``Dukes of Hazzard'' over that baby if you 
want to.
    Ms. Homendy. Yes.
    Mr. LaMalfa. So, the approach could be made, but still keep 
the crossing. And if that's what you are talking about, then I 
can get behind more of that. But if I hear a whole lot of 
blanket ``close down the crossings''--yes, a crossing is not 
being blocked if it doesn't exist anymore. So, this will really 
mess up rural America if what I hear on this panel is so much 
more enthusiasm for closing.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield.
    Ms. Homendy. Well, and I know you just yielded, but that's 
why I think it is very important that the States and the 
Federal Government sit down with local communities to 
understand what they need.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. Thank you. I now recognize Mrs. 
Foushee for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to the 
witnesses for being here this morning.
    It has been almost a whole year since the Norfolk Southern 
train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. And I am glad to 
finally have the opportunity to address rail safety concerns.
    My home State of North Carolina is no stranger to train 
derailments and crashes, averaging about 32 annually, including 
one that happened in my district just last week. Thankfully, 
everyone walked away safely. This is why I am thankful for the 
Biden administration and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law that 
made historic investments in rail safety, investing nearly $3 
billion to reduce grade crossing incidents. My questions today 
are for Chair Homendy.
    In the investigation into the Norfolk Southern derailment 
in East Palestine, the NTSB found that 23 percent of the cars 
that did not derail had reportable defects. Are freight 
railroads knowingly dispatching trains that have defects, or do 
the yard workers not have enough time to perform full 
inspections?
    Ms. Homendy. This is something we are looking at as part of 
our investigation. But what I will say is I don't believe 
freight railroads are knowingly releasing trains or putting 
together trains that are in violation of Federal regulations.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you for that, that's good to hear.
    Despite the Association of American Railroads' 
recommendation that trains stop when a trackside detector 
determines a wheel is 95 degrees above ambient temperature, 
Norfolk Southern's policy was not to do so until the 
temperature exceeded 115 degrees above ambient. Are there any 
Federal requirements that govern wheel monitoring while the 
train is en route?
    Mr. Bose. Congresswoman, there are none, and I want to 
point out a couple of things, though.
    The operating rules of the particular railroad do apply. 
And if those are violated, FRA can take enforcement action. I 
don't want to talk about an ongoing investigation at FRA, but 
that is a possibility.
    What you also point out in terms of new technology, which 
we encourage, what you point out is a good point. Also, it's 
not just about having the technology, it's about what they 
measure and whether actions are taken based on the information.
    We also know that when it came to the detectors, that 
Norfolk Southern had one person--one person--monitoring their 
system when it came to hot bearing detectors. Again, it's great 
to have the technology, but do they also have people to 
implement it and act on it when deficiencies are found?
    Mrs. Foushee. Do each of the railroads have their own 
policies on what temperature above ambient that the wheel needs 
to be before advising to stop a train and inspect?
    Mr. Bose. I welcome others to weigh in here, but they do. 
They do. Now, some of them are consistent, but some of them 
have different--we do not regulate that.
    Mr. Jefferies. Congresswoman?
    Mrs. Foushee. Chair Homendy, would you--Mr. Jefferies.
    Mr. Jefferies. I can tell you the industry has adopted 
standards, as you referenced, and over this year, has adopted a 
new absolute temperature threshold for when to pull a train out 
of service, moving from 200 down to 170 degrees as of July 1.
    We have also analyzed over 150 different trending 
algorithms to establish a new trending rule for when to pull 
out of service, as well. My point being that, as we learn from 
incidents when they occur, we are taking action to reduce the 
likelihood of an incident occurring again, and we are not 
resting on our laurels. We will continue to take those steps as 
we learn more.
    Mr. Bose. And to add to that, Congresswoman, that's 
absolutely true. There are corrective actions already in place 
or underway. The things that I was mentioning were the 
situation at the time that have come to light.
    Ms. Homendy. And if you don't mind me adding----
    Mrs. Foushee [interposing]. Sure.
    Ms. Homendy. That is the advantage of the NTSB process. We 
bring the regulator and the railroad and the unions into our 
investigation, so that they are finding out in real time what 
we are finding out from the evidence, so that they can take 
action. We don't have to wait for a rulemaking. AAR was able to 
adopt standards very quickly, and I think that's a success when 
they are able to do that.
    Mrs. Foushee. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I yield back the 
balance.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentlelady yields. I now recognize Mr. 
Westerman for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you to the 
witnesses for being here today, and I wanted to go back to a 
question that Dr. Babin brought up, and maybe--or hopefully, 
get a little bit more explanation on that, talking about brake 
health effectiveness.
    And my understanding is that it's 10 times more effective 
than a walking visual inspection at an intermediate stop to 
find brake defects on a train, and I also understand that the 
unions and the rail management are jointly supportive of a 
waiver for that.
    So, Mr. Bose, can you tell me why this issue has been 
pending for so long? What is the holdup on getting this waiver 
approved?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, I will just repeat myself a little 
bit of what I said earlier. There are brake health 
effectiveness waivers already in effect. So, they are in use. 
There is a request to expand the area of the waiver. It is 
pending.
    I will say that there were multiple comments. It wasn't 
just one comment, or there were a few comments. So, FRA will 
review that.
    Now, I can't get into this because I will be the appealing 
official if that waiver is hypothetically not approved and 
challenged. So, I have to just be a little cautious in how much 
I get into it.
    At FRA, we believe strongly in technology and visual 
inspections working together. We endorse that. It should not be 
one at the expense of another.
    Mr. Jefferies. Congressman, could I provide a little 
context on that, as well?
    Mr. Westerman. Yes, I was going to come to you next. Go 
right ahead.
    Mr. Jefferies. So, actually, we think this is a win-win for 
everybody. You are using wayside technology to dramatically 
increase the effectiveness of brake health inspections and 
working with the Brotherhood of Railway Carmen, who are the 
affected union who typically does those manual inspections.
    We have developed data that demonstrates that using 
technology identifies significantly more defects, and thus it 
allows technology to do what it does best, which is detect 
potential flaws in the system, and then allows our employees to 
do what they do best, which is fix those flaws. And so, they 
get to focus on their areas of expertise, technology does what 
it does best, and that's why the BRC, both last year and just 
last week, wrote in support of this waiver request. We are 
hopeful that the administration approves it.
    As Mr. Bose said, there is a similar existing waiver, and 
the data speaks for itself on that. This would expand that. And 
it's models like these--we get it, we need to get union buy-in. 
The administration has been very clear. And successfully doing 
that in this case, we think, is a model for how we can all work 
together to advance technology and, more importantly, advance 
safety.
    Mr. Westerman. Yes, and when it comes to safety, I think 
that should be the top priority. And if people want to buy into 
safety, that's a good thing, too. But at the end of the day, 
you have got to look at the data and the technology, and go 
with safety over other things.
    But in this particular instance, it appears that if you are 
detecting--early detection of a potential brake failure 
actually provides more labor to go in and fix the problem 
before it turns into a problem, or fix the issue before it 
turns into a problem. So, I don't see where it would hurt 
people's employment to be able to detect this. And plus, you 
get the absolutely best benefit of having safer trains.
    Mr. Jefferies. We are very hopeful that this is allowed to 
proceed in the manner requested.
    In its letter last week, the union also suggested it might 
be a way to increase fluidity at the border to allow technology 
to do required brake inspections at the border, as well, so 
trains aren't sitting, idling for extended periods of time. 
They can move through, be autonomously inspected, and then the 
work can be done in the yard.
    So, it's opportunities like this. They abound in the 
industry, and we want to take advantage of them wherever we 
can, because the safety case is strong.
    Mr. Westerman. And there is a lot of other benefits of 
technology that it looks like the railroad industry is catching 
up with a lot of manufacturing by implementing this continuous 
improvement technology and monitoring, which--not much time, 
Mr. Jefferies, but I know the administration is pushing for 
autonomous vehicles, yet they maintain you need two people to 
operate a train which is operating on a secure right-of-way. Do 
you want to talk about that?
    Mr. Jefferies. The irony is not lost on us in the least 
there. We actually think we should be the test bed for 
autonomous innovation, given we operate in a largely closed 
network on a fixed guideway.
    Crew staffing has always been an issue for unions and 
railroads in collective bargaining. That's where it should 
stay. We don't believe there is any objective data that 
supports a mandate in perpetuity for where individuals should 
be located, and think it should be left for unions and their 
employees to determine because we have heard loud and clear 
from our unions that quality of life and work-life balance are 
one of their number-one priorities.
    And so, if there are ways we can help address that by 
making sure people work more regular shifts, go sleep in their 
own bed every night while maximizing safety, we should 
absolutely take advantage of those opportunities. And so, this 
would stifle the ability to continue to work towards that goal.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you, and I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman's time has expired. Thank you.
    Mrs. Napolitano, you have 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Administrator Bose, Chairwoman Homendy, and Mr. Jefferies, 
it is good to see you again. Thank you for providing your 
expertise to the committee.
    You are all well aware of my strong advocacy for grade 
crossing safety and grade separation projects based on my 
needs. My district has added grade crossing safety improvements 
to 55 crossings. We have separated 30 crossings on the Alameda 
Corridor-East and surrounding rail lines. We did much of the 
work prior to the increase in the Federal investment in grade 
crossing safety, including the FAST Act and the BIL.
    Funding grade crossing is important, but I have personal 
experience knowing that just as important is effective 
coordination between Government agencies building the project 
and the private railroads where they exist. Too many times, 
fully funded projects have been delayed by railroads not 
providing logistical, engineering, and staff support in a 
timely manner.
    We have had times where Federal and State grants were about 
to lapse because of railroad delays in approving engineering 
plans. Administrator Bose is very familiar with one of my 
projects in Pomona that built an adjacent rail line in order to 
close two heavily trafficked crossings, but the new rail line 
was delayed becoming operational for 2 years due to 
disagreement between railroad and pipeline companies.
    Mr. Bose, Mr. Jefferies, and Mr. Smith, how are the 
railroad--and briefly, please--how are the railroad companies, 
the FRA, State transportation agencies, and the local 
authorities working together to make sure these projects are 
built quickly and efficiently without bureaucratic or corporate 
delays?
    Have you better coordination between transportation 
agencies and railroads on grade crossing projects?
    And what more can be done to expedite the implementation?
    And Chairwoman Homendy, I would appreciate any comments you 
have on the concern.
    Also, I have another question, besides, for you. What are 
the effects of the current CR on NTSB, and what would be the 
impacts of a long-term CR?
    Mr. Bose. Congresswoman, I will take the first one about 
the grant program.
    And first of all, thank you for your support of the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. And Congress establishing a 
permanent, longstanding, consistently funded program is a very 
important step in that planning process that you are talking 
about so that host railroads, communities, State governments, 
local governments can talk to each other, and they know that 
the funding is in place and it won't go away a year from now. 
Having that 5 years of funding is great. If we can continue 
that, I think that that would create a pipeline of projects 
because we know it does take a long time to do that.
    On FRA's end, we will look to ways to streamline the 
process. We know that communities definitely deserve a say in 
the environmental process, but we can also look for ways to 
expedite that.
    Mr. Jefferies. Congresswoman, just to jump on that--and I 
agree with everything the Administrator said. I know, 
everybody. Don't be too surprised.
    This is an area where we absolutely fully support the 
program. And thank you for your leadership. I would venture 
that you probably know more about the challenges of blocked 
crossings and grade crossings than anyone on this committee. 
You have been a champion for addressing that for a long time.
    Community engagement is key, as the Administrator said----
    Ms. Homendy [interrupting]. I have a second part of the 
question, remember, and she has 2 minutes.
    Mr. Jefferies. I got you.
    Ms. Homendy. OK.
    Mr. Jefferies. OK. Community engagement is key. Getting the 
money to work quickly is key. And I look forward to working 
with you to make sure this program stays around for a long 
time.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Great, thank you.
    Ms. Homendy. The NTSB has 437 employees. Our budget is 
$129.3 million from last year, which is carried over with CR. I 
begged for $145 million in the President's budget, and this 
committee authorized that for us. I am extremely grateful.
    But when it comes to a year-long continuing resolution, 
what is happening for the NTSB means a hiring freeze, which 
means the professionals aren't out there doing the safety work 
that you all need.
    Two, it's a freeze on training.
    Equipment that's reaching the end of their useful life 
cannot be replaced when it's too expensive. IT improvements 
that we desperately need to conduct get extended indefinitely.
    And that backlog, we had a backlog when I came in as Chair. 
Almost 500 reports were 2, 3, 4 years old. That's not 
acceptable. Today it's zero. But that takes resources to get 
there. That means we have to make sure that our investigators 
have the tools they need to succeed. A year-long CR won't do it 
for us. We need help. And here's why, and what agencies aren't 
talking about.
    We have now a well-deserved, 5.2-percent pay raise for our 
employees that just kicked in, plus a 5-percent increase in 
benefits. That means we are essentially not living off of the 
funding that we had last year. It's a cut. So, we are raising 
the red flag, saying we have an important safety mission for 
this Nation, and we need your help to make sure we have the 
resources to succeed.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you very much. And I would like to 
address the length of the trains and the number of people.
    If you have a mile-long train and only one operator, it 
would take him one-half hour to go to the back of the train to 
find out what is wrong. So, I strongly advocate making sure 
that we have enough personnel to deal with problems.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentlelady's time has expired. I now 
recognize Mr. Stauber.
    Mr. Stauber. Thank you very much. And to the witnesses, 
thank you for coming here today and sharing your expertise.
    One of the things--and I may have missed it, but one of the 
things that I think we also have to look at when we talk about 
railroad and rail crossing safety is you are going through 
rural communities. And I represent northern Minnesota, rural. 
We have got a couple of Class I's coming through the district 
that I represent. I would really appreciate more of an emphasis 
on training our local firefighters and law enforcement.
    So, I think that, when an incident does happen, that they 
are trained, they understand, they know who to call. We go 
through reservation territory, you go through State land, 
Federal land, you go through these communities. And I just--I 
know that we're not necessarily talking about that today, but I 
would really implore you all to make sure that--many of these 
are volunteer firefighters that are volunteering their time, 
and I think that's really important.
    So, I just encourage you, don't forget our rural 
communities and the safety for those law enforcement, those 
sheriffs, local police officers, and our first responders, 
because it's really important. I think that it should be a high 
priority. I hope it is, but that is just--I didn't hear it 
mentioned today, and I just want to make sure that, as a former 
law enforcement officer, it's really important.
    And I will just tell you, as a county commissioner in St. 
Louis County, we did very good with our rail carriers as far as 
safety. It was a good relationship. And I hope that we have 
those continued relationships across the country because the 
supply chain needs you.
    So, I just wanted to--Administrator Bose, this month, a new 
State emissions rule goes into effect in California that 
requires railroads to phase out older locomotives and convert 
them to newer locomotives over the next few years, and to begin 
funding an account based on their emissions. The new rule is so 
aggressive, the agency in charge, the California Air Resources 
Board, or CARB, admits some short lines would be eliminated due 
to the cost of the proposed regulation.
    In the coming weeks or months, the EPA could give its 
blessing to the California rule, and many States could soon 
choose to mimic California's misguided measures. Are you 
concerned about the impact the CARB rule could have on short 
line freight industry?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, the California Air Resources Board 
is going through its process. The short line railroads have had 
a chance to comment on it. There is litigation on it. As you 
know, I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on that, 
especially because it's the EPA.
    Can I just address your rural communities point just 
quickly?
    Mr. Stauber. Sure, quickly.
    Mr. Bose. Yes, very quickly. The Pipeline and Hazardous 
Materials Safety Administration has a program called the 
Assistance for Local Emergency Response Training, and I would 
just encourage Congress to continue that program.
    And I take your point with rural communities. I witnessed 
that myself when I went to Montana and Joplin, Montana. There 
was an Amtrak derailment there. But with CARB and with the 
short line railroads, I take your point there. The short line 
railroads also have the Small Business Administration, they 
have an advocate there that can advocate on their behalf.
    Mr. Stauber. Mr. Jefferies?
    Mr. Jefferies. On your training point, I totally agree, 
35,000 first responders trained in the field in 2023. It is a 
never-ending mission. So, we are with you on that.
    On CARB, we think, one, CARB has moved forward. There is a 
rule in place. There is a regulation in place. They have now 
gone to the EPA for a waiver. We believe a waiver would be 
unlawful. The Clean Water Act says States cannot regulate new 
or remanufactured locomotives. That is exactly what this would 
do. Twenty-five percent of short lines put out of business, 
that's traffic going right back on the highways.
    Mr. Stauber. And what would that do to supply chains?
    Mr. Jefferies. It would snarl it up. And we don't operate 
in a closed network in just California. We operate in a 
national, integrated network. And we believe there are other 
laws at play there that make it illegal.
    Mr. Stauber. Mr. Bose, I want to talk about CRISI real 
quick. We have got 30 seconds. These grants help railroads 
repair and rehabilitate worn-out track and rail infrastructure, 
which is the leading cause of derailments. Sometimes these 
grants are given to passenger rail, like the $200 million CRISI 
grant from the FRA awarded to the California high-speed rail 
project.
    Can you commit that the FRA will take the proper amount of 
time to fairly review the many competitive projects that will 
apply in the next CRISI funding cycle, and not just rush the 
money to the handful of headline-grabbing passenger rail 
projects?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, to answer your question, yes.
    I do want to just make one clarification on that California 
project. That went to eliminate grade crossings and separate 
the California high-speed rail project from BNSF freight 
railroad tracks.
    Mr. Stauber. Thank you.
    And I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. 
Johnson for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for 
holding this hearing, and thank you to the witnesses for your 
time and for your testimony.
    After Congress passed the Infrastructure Investment and 
Jobs Act, President Biden and his administration have taken 
steps to make American rail safer, more reliable, and more 
resilient, delivering tangible benefits to dozens of 
communities where railroads are located and strengthening 
supply chains for the entire country.
    Additionally, the administration supports fair compensation 
for rail workers, ensuring they receive competitive wages and 
benefits commensurate with their vital role in the 
transportation sector.
    In short, the administration continues to put people over 
politics. The IIJA doesn't just benefit Democrats, it helps all 
Americans, which is why you see my colleagues on the other side 
who did not vote for the IIJA at home bragging about the great 
resources that they have brought back to their districts under 
that law.
    As we talk about rail today, we must remember that rail 
travel is the cornerstone of American transportation, a symbol 
of progress, and a conduit for connecting communities and 
fueling economic growth. Its true potential can only be 
realized when robust safety measures are in place, safeguarding 
every journey and every individual involved in this vast 
network.
    The safety of our Nation's rail system, both for the 
countless passengers who rely on it daily and the dedicated 
workers who operate and maintain it, must be at the forefront 
of our discussions.
    Mr. Bose, Atlanta was originally named Terminus, and it was 
founded as a railroad terminus, and it has many dangerous grade 
crossings that risk safety of the public.
    Under the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, the 
Federal Railroad Administration awards grants to local 
governments to eliminate these safety risks. Two counties in 
Metro Atlanta, DeKalb County, which I represent, and also 
Gwinnett County, which I will be representing after this next 
election--those counties received funding last year under the 
initial round, and many other counties in Georgia are eager to 
follow their path, particularly for crossings in disadvantaged 
communities. However, the Notice of Funding Opportunity has not 
been issued or even scheduled yet for fiscal year 2023.
    When does the FRA plan to issue the NOFO for the Railroad 
Crossing Elimination Grant Program for fiscal year 2023?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, thank you for the question. We are 
going to issue that as quickly as we can.
    And since you brought up DeKalb County and Gwinnett County, 
I did want to let you know I had an opportunity to visit 
Lilburn, and Congresswoman McBath was there. We talked about 
grade crossings in Gwinnett County, and I understand the 
importance of that.
    I also happen to have grown up in DeKalb County, and I know 
you were a county commissioner there when I lived there, when I 
was older.
    But Georgia and Atlanta can serve a lot of different 
purposes, from freight rail to also passenger rail. We just 
awarded a Corridor ID grant to study routes, and also to do 
more between Atlanta and Savannah, Atlanta and Charlotte, 
Atlanta and Nashville. So, again, we are hoping for cooperation 
between the host railroads, the State, and also local 
governments there.
    But grade crossings are absolutely an opportunity to make 
improvements on--and again, thanks to your support of the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, we have a program. And I am 
convinced the Georgia Department of Transportation, along with 
their local partners, will see and utilize that program more 
than just their FHWA Section 130 Program.
    Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you. How can communities best 
position themselves to succeed in obtaining a grant?
    Mr. Bose. That is a very good question, Congressman.
    First of all, having local funding in place that they can 
use for that 20-percent match helps. It also helps, again, to 
have an agreement with the railroad over which the grade 
crossing will be. Working with the State agency or a local or 
city department of transportation is also helpful.
    And again, our FRA can work with your office to get the 
word out to your communities.
    Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you, and I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields.
    I ask unanimous consent to enter into the record a letter 
from Chuck Baker, president of the American Short Line and 
Regional Railroad Association, dated January 18, 2024.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    [The information follows:]

                                 
 Statement of Chuck Baker, President, American Short Line and Regional 
  Railroad Association, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Troy E. Nehls
                              Introduction
    As president of the American Short Line and Regional Railroad 
Association (ASLRRA), the trade association representing the more than 
600 Class II and III freight railroads (commonly known as short line 
railroads or short lines) and hundreds of suppliers that make up the 
country's short line freight rail economy, I submit this statement for 
inclusion in the record of this subcommittee's hearing.
    Grade crossing safety and trespass prevention are issues of 
paramount importance to the entire rail industry. We join our industry 
partners and the witnesses before the committee in a shared commitment 
to reducing and eliminating grade crossing collisions and preventing 
trespasser injuries and fatalities. This statement provides the short 
line industry's perspective on these issues, including suggestions and 
ideas for Congressional and regulatory focus. ASLRRA appreciates the 
opportunity to provide this statement and to serve as a resource and 
partner on any issue related to rail safety.
                  The Short Line Freight Rail Industry
    Short line railroads and the national network. Short lines have 
been serving customers for well over a century and play a significant 
role in the country's freight supply chain. Short lines are nearly all 
small businesses: the typical short line employs about 30 people, 
operates about 80 route miles, and earns about $8 million in revenue 
per year. These businesses provide first-mile and last-mile freight 
rail service, touching one in five railcars on the system, serving 
urban centers and also ensuring other businesses in small towns and 
rural communities that would otherwise be cut off from the North 
American freight rail network have the access they need to the global 
marketplace.
    Short lines' history and investment needs. The short line industry 
as we know it today is the product of the Staggers Act of 1980, which 
made the sale or long-term lease of light density lines from Class I 
railroads to local entrepreneurs possible and thankfully avoided the 
abandonment of those lines and ripping up of their track for scrap. 
These lines were spun off for a reason: they faced high hurdles to 
continued business operations, were burdened with decades of deferred 
maintenance, and often had few customers. These small railroads now 
spend up to a third of their annual revenues for maintenance and 
improvements, making short line railroading one of the most capital-
intensive industries in our nation. Despite the challenges, the short 
line industry has emerged as a great American success story. Short 
lines have kept viable those marginal lines they inherited, turned them 
into thriving enterprises and emerged as a pivotal link in the freight 
economy. The industry now manages one-third of the freight rail network 
and touches one-fifth of all carloads while still only accounting for 
only six percent of the industry's total revenue.
    Short lines are economic engines for localities, particularly 
small-town and rural America. Together, our members are tied to 478,000 
jobs nationwide, $26.1 billion in labor income and $56.2 billion in 
economic value-add--providing a service that 10,000 businesses 
nationwide rely upon to get goods and products to market.\1\ Our 
members ship all commodities, and industries essential to our country's 
economic health--like the manufacturing, agricultural, energy, and 
chemical sectors--are particularly reliant on short line service. The 
availability of rail service provided by short lines is often the 
tipping point for manufacturers and shippers deciding where to grow and 
expand, driving new, well-paying jobs particularly in rural and small-
town America. Short lines proved their flexibility during the pandemic, 
responding to customers' and the nation's needs.
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    \1\ The Section 45G Tax Credit and the Economic Contribution of the 
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    Short line personnel live and work in the communities they serve. 
Short lines are owned, managed, and staffed by individuals who are part 
of the fabric of their local communities. Because short lines run short 
distances, employees live near their job--and customers. Many short 
lines are family-run businesses--providing safe, efficient, friendly 
and cost-effective service is personal to them.
    Short lines are environmental stewards. The rail industry is a 
sustainable, environmentally friendly mode of transportation. U.S. 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data show freight railroads 
account for only 0.6% of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions and only 
2.1% of transportation-related sources. On average, freight railroads 
move one ton of freight 480 miles on a single gallon of diesel fuel, 
approximately four times as far as our over-the-road competition. Short 
line service alone keeps 31.8 million heavy trucks off highways and 
public roads, preventing costly wear and tear, relieving congestion, 
and reducing the still horrifying number of deadly motor vehicle 
crashes. Short lines are committed to doing their part, by continuously 
seeking ways to reduce their environmental impact with the 
implementation of technology and operating practices that reduce 
emissions.\2\
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    \2\ ASLRRA is currently partnering with the FRA and short line 
railroads to test locomotive emissions by studying fuel injectors and 
additives. Products like these that increase fuel economy may also 
yield emissions benefits. This is a two-year project that will give 
ASLRRA a better understanding of how small railroads can utilize cost 
effective methods for reducing their impact on the environment.
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                         Grade Crossing Safety
    Short lines are not immune from the dangers of trespassing and 
grade crossing collisions in the communities we serve. While we are 
integral to these communities, it is critical that anyone living or 
working near railroads recognizes the dangers of crossings and of 
trespassing on railroad rights of way. Moreover, while moving goods and 
freight is significantly safer on rail than by truck, it is important 
that all rail stakeholders work together to make rail even safer by 
reducing trespassing incidents and collisions. There are several policy 
areas where we encourage you to focus in order to help our industry 
continue advancing solutions:
    Support the FHWA's Section 130 Program. The Railway-Highway 
Crossings program, known as the Section 130 program, supports 
improvements at crossings to reduce fatalities, injuries, and 
collisions. The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) 
rightfully renews it and authorizes $245 million per year for Fiscal 
Years 2022 through 2026. The legislation also increases incentive 
payments for closures from $7,500 to $100,000 and enables replacement 
of functionally obsolete warning devices. There are also other tweaks 
and refinements in the law, including increasing from 90 percent to 100 
percent the federal share for set aside funds. We represent many short 
lines who serve rural communities, and these communities often do not 
have the resources for even a 10 percent match on a project that 
improves safety at crossings. Accordingly, we strongly endorse any 
efforts that provide 100 percent federal share for these projects from 
Section 130 or any other account.
    Support the Railroad Crossing Elimination Program. IIJA took an 
important step forward for grade crossing safety with the creation of 
the new Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) Program. This is a 
tremendous policy achievement, providing new resources to eliminate 
dangerous crossings. Moreover, the creation of this new program will 
allow the Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements 
Program (CRISI) to focus on tackling even more rail safety challenges. 
For example, CRISI--with the robust funding levels unleashed in IIJA--
can now advance even more projects like repairing worn-out track, the 
leading cause of derailments on Class II and III railroads.
    For RCE, IIJA authorizes $500 million per year for Fiscal Years 
2022 through 2026 while also appropriating $600 million per year for 
those same years. RCE funds projects to create grade separations, close 
or relocate crossings, improve or install warning devices at crossings 
as part of separation or relocation projects, and carry out some design 
efforts. While short line railroads are not directly eligible for RCE 
grants, ASLRRA has encouraged its members interested in advancing an 
RCE project to coordinate with eligible public applicants. In the most 
recent round of awards announced in June 2023, of the 63 projects 
funded, ten involved Class II or III railroads--or about $72 million of 
the $573 million in awards. We understand the funding notice for Fiscal 
Year 2023 funds will be released sometime early this calendar year, and 
we are excited about any possibilities for this program to help address 
crossing safety in the communities we serve. We urge Congress to keep 
momentum for this program going strong as it finalizes funding 
decisions for Fiscal Year 2024, providing as much funding as possible 
beyond the guaranteed appropriations already set in IIJA.
    Support other critical programs and efforts funded in IIJA. IIJA 
made major advances in addressing grade crossing safety through 
increased funding for several programs, as well as the establishment of 
a rail research and development Center of Excellence emphasizing rail 
safety. While the programs that received increased resources--like the 
Nationally Significant Multimodal Freight & Highway Projects (INFRA), 
the National Infrastructure Project Assistance Program (Mega), the 
Rural Surface Transportation Grant Program (Rural), and the Rebuilding 
American Infrastructure with Sustainability and Equity (RAISE) 
programs--are not expressly designed for grade crossing safety 
projects, they can benefit projects that improve crossings and, 
accordingly, we urge that they be funded at robust levels.
    Support ongoing FRA efforts and Operation Lifesaver (OLI). FRA is 
an important partner on grade crossing safety, and we appreciate the 
agency's work and its resources, especially on recent efforts like the 
Trespass and Suicide Prevention Toolkit.
    We support robust data collection efforts to ensure data is 
accurate and reflects the true scope of hazards, avoiding collection 
efforts that lead to the overreporting or underreporting of incidents.
    We also support efforts to address hazards at private grade 
crossings; these comprise a significant number of incidents.
    Finally, we support more funding for OLI. Thankfully, through 
collective industry, agency and volunteer work with OLI, there has been 
a significant reduction in highway-rail grade crossing collisions over 
several decades. Public awareness efforts by OLI and its partners have 
helped many communities recognize the hazards of ignoring warning 
devices and illegally accessing railroad rights-of-way. These efforts 
have involved spreading fundamental rail safety lessons, such as facts 
like trains can approach on a line at any moment, they cannot stop on a 
dime, and they can be quite lethal in a collision with a motor 
vehicle--striking a car with a level of force that is comparable to a 
car crushing an aluminum can.
    Many of our members and ASLRRA staff are deeply involved in 
advancing OLI's message and mission.\3\ As OLI notes, over 50 years, 
collisions at railroad crossings across the U.S. have dropped by 82 
percent through education, engineering and enforcement efforts. In 
order to achieve these outcomes, OLI relies on federal funds. These 
funds have been flat for several years; accordingly, we encourage 
Congress and FRA to support any increases that ensure OLI's resources 
keep up with inflation.
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                    Additional Safety Considerations
    Avoid misguided mandates. In considering any rail safety issues, we 
urge Congress and the FRA to focus on efforts that are reasonable, 
realistic and responsive to recognized safety hazards. Many small 
railroads are unable to comply with costly ``one size fits all'' 
requirements that are written with much larger entities in mind. Each 
small railroad has a unique operating environment that can differ 
dramatically from others. Any action by Congress or the FRA that 
ignores this fact could inflict extreme duress and economic harm on a 
critical member of the freight rail network and require shifting of 
resources from known safety hazards toward extraneous issues. For 
example, the FRA is now finalizing a rule that mandates railroads' 
hiring of an additional crew member--even though no hazard has been 
identified that would be mitigated through the hiring of these 
personnel and no safety data shows how expanded and unprecedented 
locomotive crew requirements would improve safety. But in order to 
comply with these mandates, short line railroads would need to divert 
limited resources from needed safety upgrades and investments.
    Advance proven safety efforts. We encourage Congress and the FRA to 
advance known, demonstrably sound policies and practices that lead to 
real safety improvements. For example, as noted above, the leading 
cause of derailments on Class II and III railroads is outdated, worn-
out track and ties. Providing robust resources for CRISI ensures that 
short lines can make necessary repairs that enhance the safety and 
reliability of the network, supporting projects that upgrade outdated 
infrastructure as well as fixing bridges, and improving crossing safety 
and preventing trespassing. We appreciate the leadership of everyone on 
this committee who has worked to have Congress provide the full $1 
billion in authorized funds for CRISI in addition to guaranteed advance 
appropriations. As another example, the Short Line Safety Institute 
(SLSI) helps short line railroads improve their safety culture and 
become even better trained in the transportation of hazardous 
materials. Ensuring this program has robust, necessary resources is a 
common-sense step for rail safety. We the language in the House 
transportation funding bill report that recommends that FRA fund the 
Short Line Safety Institute (SLSI) at $5 million for Fiscal Year 2024.
                               Conclusion
    ASLRRA appreciates the committee's close attention to the items we 
have noted in our statement, and we welcome future opportunities to 
work together on these matters.

    Mr. Nehls. I now recognize Mr. Burlison for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Burlison. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Bose, it seems like it's a good idea to be able to 
inspect the train brake system with technology while the trains 
are moving and in motion, versus having to stop trains mid-
journey, and have someone walk around the train using their 
human eye to spot potential problems, and all the while slowing 
down what I think, as we all understand, is a critical supply 
chain.
    And I understand that the rail management and labor are 
both jointly supportive of a waiver petition that has been 
pending for quite some time at the FRA to expand the use of 
this proven technology that is known as brake health 
effectiveness.
    Can you give me an anticipated timeline for the FRA's 
approval of this pending waiver expansion petition, which we 
understand has already been reviewed by the FRA Safety Board?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, we received that application in June 
of 2023. That application, that petition, is still under review 
at the Federal Railroad Administration.
    And I want to be clear on this, because I don't want to 
leave any misperceptions here. Brake health effectiveness 
technology is utilized right now. It can continue to be 
utilized right now. I encourage it to be utilized right now. I 
don't want to disrespect the people who are working on the 
railroads, the railroad workers who do their duties every day, 
day in and day out, through COVID, in bad weather conditions. 
They have a skill set, Congressman, that I don't think any of 
us in this room have, and I don't want to disrespect their role 
in railroad safety.
    Mr. Burlison. As I understand, from the data that has been 
collected, the use of the brake health effectiveness is over 10 
times more effective than the walking visual inspection.
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, that data, I am happy to review it. 
We have the Railroad Safety Advisory Committee, where we can 
bring labor, railroads, FRA together, as well as the industry 
that makes that technology.
    And again, this is an opportunity with the Rail Safety Act. 
Congress can legislate. If it believes in this technology and 
endorses it, you can regulate it.
    Mr. Burlison. OK. My next question has to do with illegal 
immigration.
    The whole world knows that it has become a bad problem, it 
has impacted a lot of things, but it has also impacted our 
supply chain. There have been major rail lines that have had to 
shut down twice because of the influx of illegal immigration. 
And sadly, this administration, the Biden administration, has 
done nothing to prevent this from occurring. And unfortunately, 
I don't think Americans are pleased.
    We have had enough transportation issues in this country, 
and we sure as heck do not need to force the shutdown of other 
transportation lines because of the President's unwillingness 
to do something about the influx of illegal immigration. So, my 
question to you is, was your department aware of this issue 
before the closure of these rail lines?
    Mr. Bose. Aware of what issue, Congressman?
    Mr. Burlison. Of the impact the illegal migrants had on our 
rail lines that were coming?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, when it comes to rail security, that 
is a matter for each individual railroad to address. The 
Customs and Border Protection agency is in charge of handling 
things at the border. FRA regulates the safety of the train.
    Mr. Burlison. Certainly, your administration is working in 
coordination with the Department of Homeland Security regarding 
these issues.
    Mr. Bose. The Customs and Border Protection agency, when 
they issued that closure, or those closures, made a 
determination on their own in the best manner that they saw 
fit.
    Mr. Burlison. And there was no communication between your 
agency and CBP.
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, I can't equivocally say there wasn't 
communication. I can tell you when I saw it happen or heard 
about it happening, that was the first time I saw it.
    Mr. Burlison. Any steps that you have taken to make sure 
that it is not happening again?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, we stand ready to work with the 
Customs and Border Protection agency as necessary and with the 
railroad companies necessary to assist.
    Mr. Burlison. It's sad that we have to address that within 
the transportation industry.
    Thank you, I yield back the rest of my time.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. Garcia 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking 
Member, and, of course, to all of the witnesses.
    As everyone knows, Chicago is the Nation's rail capital. 
With over 7,400 miles of railroad tracks and thousands of rail 
crossings, we are quite familiar with rail and the benefits and 
challenges that come with it.
    Illinois has the third most blocked crossings report. One 
of the dangerous effects of these blockings is that 
pedestrians, including kids on their way to school, can't 
safely cross the tracks at times in a timely manner. So, some 
school kids in my district are ducking under massive freight 
trains, hoping that the trains don't start moving.
    The Grand Avenue grade crossing in the village of Elmwood 
Park bordering my district is a significant safety concern. The 
crossing has more than 120 trains and 25,000 vehicle crossings 
every day. It is 360 feet wide, the longest crossing in the 
State of Illinois, and is blocked for 20 minutes each hour 
during morning and evening travel. Elmwood Park is seeking 
Federal support to construct a grade separation through the 
IIJA discretionary grants.
    Administrator Bose, what has the FRA assessed why railroads 
in Illinois seem particularly prone to blocking the crossings?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, thank you for that question.
    First on Elmwood Park, I have heard from the mayor 
directly. I have also heard from Ranking Member Quigley's 
office about Elmwood Park and the situation there. There is no 
doubt that Illinois--Chicago, specifically--is the center of 
the country's rail network, historically, and for a number of 
reasons. And so many railroads operate through there, as well 
as all of the major Class I railroads.
    So, Chicago just happens to be the epicenter. That's why it 
is so useful that it has the CREATE Program, a program that the 
Federal Government has given plenty of funding to. And we know 
that that is an ongoing effort, and we look forward to funding 
more projects through that, which is such a great collaboration 
between the railroads, between Metra, Amtrak, as well as FRA 
and the Federal Highway Administration.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you for that. And will you 
commit the utmost attention and consideration of grant 
applications like this that will prevent tragedies?
    Mr. Bose. Yes, sir. safety is our guiding principle in the 
Railroad Crossing Elimination Program, as well as the 
Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements 
Program.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you, Administrator. I look 
forward to working with you on this issue.
    To Chair Homendy, what can Congress do to better support 
rail workers and improve safety?
    Ms. Homendy. Implement our NTSB recommendations. We have 
190 open rail safety recommendations, many of which address 
rail worker safety. Implement them.
    I know this committee has implemented many of our 
recommendations and legislation. I look forward to working with 
you again.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Great, thank you.
    And finally, Mr. Jefferies, your testimony includes a 
statistic that grade crossing collisions in 2022 were down 37 
percent from 2000. But recent NTSB data shows an increase in 
collisions over the past decade. Does this indicate that, while 
collision rates have improved compared to 22 years ago, they 
have worsened within the past decade?
    Mr. Jefferies. Well, I think we can say without a doubt 
that grade crossing safety is the largest challenge we face 
when it comes to public facing and public casualties. And so, 
we should be working collectively, which I think we are, 
looking at every avenue possible to reduce, one, likelihood of 
impact; but two, to make crossings as safe as they can, and 
that includes public awareness, as well, making sure the public 
knows the dangers of trying to beat a train, for example.
    And CREATE is a key portion of that, separating grades in 
Chicagoland. Thank you for your long-term support there. But 
this is not an issue we are going to solve overnight. We have 
got to make continuous progress.
    Ms. Homendy. But I would also add to that that this is why 
the NTSB has long recommended connected vehicle technology, so 
that drivers are aware of when there is an active crossing. 
That is one technology.
    Also, just in motor vehicles themselves--we talked about 
impairment earlier with respect to grade crossings. The 
automakers are currently implementing driver monitoring 
technologies that would help prevent impaired driving and 
fatigue.
    So, these are all technologies that could also address 
safety where our rails and our roads meet.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. I thank you both.
    I yield back, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. I now recognize Mr. Yakym 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Yakym. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to all of 
our witnesses for being here today.
    I am especially happy to see my fellow Hoosier on the panel 
today, Indiana Department of Transportation Commissioner Smith. 
Welcome.
    Commissioner Smith, you were invited to testify because 
Indiana is a leader in railroad crossing elimination through 
its innovative Local Trax Rail Overpass Program. Most of us 
probably know railroad crossings as a headache on the drive to 
work or across town. Too many of us know a site where a loved 
one or a friend has perished. As you point out in your 
testimony, Commissioner Smith, Indiana alone has 7,500 highway 
grade crossings. While you can't eliminate them all, you do 
focus on crossings that cause the greatest disruptions to 
quality of life and commerce, or present the greatest safety 
risk.
    As a Representative of northern Indiana, I have seen 
firsthand the benefits that these projects can have in our own 
communities. Commissioner Smith, can you please talk about what 
you hear from communities that have been awarded Local Trax 
funds?
    Mr. Smith. Yes, I think this is everything to our local 
communities in terms of their economic vitality, but most 
often, just safety and mobility for their citizens.
    And so, we have a community back home, community crossings 
that we talk about a lot, where locals get to pick and get 
support with just basic maintenance of their roadways. We view 
this as that type of essential program in terms of Local Trax. 
And so, these, in a lot of cases, are investments that they 
could never make on their own. And we value the part where we 
talk about not only State and local investment, but investment 
of the rail companies, as well. So, really, adapting and 
accomplishing something that we couldn't, where local 
communities couldn't on their own.
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, can I just jump in? I really want to 
commend Indiana DOT and the commissioner for his approach on 
this.
    And I just want to note also for the panel, States like 
Missouri, States like Ohio have really stepped up their game 
when it comes to State funding for grade crossing safety, 
things that we hadn't seen before. I am convinced that those 
States saw the Railroad Crossing Elimination Program, and saw 
it as an opportunity and as a way to utilize Federal and State 
funding together. I just wanted to make that point.
    Mr. Yakym. Thank you, Administrator.
    And Commissioner Smith, what do you think are some of the 
biggest keys to success to the Local Trax Program, and some of 
the biggest drivers of the inputs of success that you see from 
our local communities?
    Mr. Smith. Well, I think we were very intentional, as Ms. 
Homendy discussed earlier, getting local input. And so, this 
wasn't the State coming to local communities or stakeholders 
and identifying a problem, but allowing them to scope and tell 
us and drive the process themselves. And so, I think that is 
one of the best parts of the program.
    I think in terms of, just the time it has taken us to 
administer the program, I mean, there is a reason why we 
dedicated State funds to try and get these out the door. And 
really, we missed an opportunity with the massive inflation 
that we have seen over the last couple of years. And so, we 
have got to do our best to continue to remove those types of 
roadblocks from our local communities.
    Mr. Yakym. And Chair Homendy, briefly.
    Ms. Homendy. Congressman, I would just add: it's not just 
resources, it's not just local input. It takes years to get 
these projects completed. We have to figure out a way to 
streamline these projects. Years. Meanwhile, the local 
community is continually stating, ``We need to address this, 
this is a safety problem.''
    Mr. Yakym. All right, thank you.
    And Commissioner Smith, is there anything else you would 
like to add about this program, or even more broadly about the 
interaction that the Indiana Department of Transportation has 
with our Federal Government?
    Mr. Smith. Yes, to build on Ms. Homendy's point, I think we 
would say that we have seen a great amount of success getting 
grant agreements and discretionary funding underway with our 
Federal highway partners. And no disrespect to other agencies, 
I think the Federal Highway Administration has a lot more boots 
on the ground and expertise in delivering the volume of grants 
that we are talking about with the Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law. I would ask that we lean on the successes we have seen in 
the Federal Highway Administration.
    And also, we are asking local communities to do some things 
that are outside of their expertise, so, really trying to give 
them the resources technically to deliver some of the 
priorities that they are trying to deliver is a real gap out 
there, as well.
    Mr. Bose. Respectfully, Congressman, if I can just address 
that, I endorse all the efforts at the Federal Highway 
Administration. If the Federal Railroad Administration had 
decades of trust fund funding for our programs on a continuous 
basis, I am confident that FRA would not be in the position 
that we're in, but we are making the best use of our resources.
    Again, we have a lot of learning to do, and we are willing 
to do that, and we want to work collaboratively with States.
    Mr. Yakym. Thank you.
    Commissioner Smith, thank you for being here today, thank 
you for bringing your Hoosier common sense to the Nation's 
capital.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing. And with 
that, I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. I now recognize Mr. DeSaulnier for 5 minutes.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you to all 
the witnesses.
    Madam Chair, I understand you have to leave, so, I am glad 
I have a moment. You seem to be everywhere, by the way, 
recently.
    Ms. Homendy. Listen, I am here as long as you all have 
questions. Whatever you need.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Spoken like a former staffer of this 
committee.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. DeSaulnier. I have a district, as you may remember, 
that is a suburban-urban district in the East Bay of the bay 
area. We have one of the highest concentrations per capita in 
geography, density of hazardous materials sites because of five 
refineries and multiple chemical plants.
    The combination of the local hazardous materials team at 
the county health department and the regional air quality folks 
in Cal/OSHA have really established a good practice. On the 
other side, on the commuter rail, we just recently had a 
derailment by the Bay Area Rapid Transit system, so, my 
question is to safety culture. You have had a lot of experience 
of this lately in a world that's changing.
    So, on BART's problem, they were changing some of the 
technology, but their revenue source is way down because people 
are staying home. The revenue from farebox recovery has gone 
down because of COVID, so, the world changed. But keeping that 
safety culture both in their capital improvements, as you say, 
that take a long time and are still adaptable.
    On the refinery and the energy side, I am hearing a lot of 
stuff, or there is a lot of stress because that business is 
changing. And the return on investment, particularly the 
modeling on return on investment and safety culture, my sense, 
is changing.
    So, how do we maintain, as you go out there, not only 
deploying your recommendations, but getting upstream?
    The BART situation reminded me early of when you were a 
subcommittee staff director, when we had the problems with 
WMATA and loss of life at the L'Enfant Station.
    So, the question is, in a changing environment both on the 
industrial side and on commuter rail, how do we keep these best 
practices when it comes to safety culture, whether it's capital 
improvements or operations?
    Ms. Homendy. Yes, that's a great question, and I know the 
FRA has done some recent work on railroad safety culture. We're 
also doing an investigation on Norfolk Southern's railroad 
safety culture, largely as a result of the just sheer number of 
accidents that occurred within a short amount of time involving 
Norfolk Southern. And so, that is underway. They have 
actually--really, they have welcomed us on property. They have 
been working very cooperatively. So, we are thankful for that, 
and also working with the unions, as well.
    But we did a safety culture review of Metro-North not too 
long ago, where they had five deadly accidents between 2013 and 
2014, and we realized that, really, what all the workers were 
hearing was on-time performance, while the leadership thought 
that they were saying safety. And so, there was a real 
disconnect there.
    Safety culture is key. I have to say, I really do believe 
our aviation system is a model for others when it comes to 
safety culture. When something happens, nobody is pointing 
fingers at each other. Everybody is getting together to figure 
out how we can figure out what happened and determine how to 
prevent it from happening again. And that is something that--it 
is a really unique culture from aviation. And I would just 
advise some of the other industries to really sit down and 
learn from that culture.
    But it is something that we are all struggling with, 
whether it's NTSB--just workplace culture after COVID, it's all 
a very different environment.
    Mr. Bose. Chair Homendy and Congressman, if I can jump in 
here, in terms of the Federal Aviation Administration and 
aviation safety: FRA, we are not closed-minded. We can learn 
from them. We have worked with them in the past. We have 
invited them to events, like we do called Rail Share, where 
railroad companies, railroad labor, the industry can come 
together and talk in an open forum.
    The safety culture assessment is something very important 
at FRA. We are doing it for all the Class I railroad companies. 
We did an audit of Amtrak, as well, recently that Congress 
required us to do. Also, we did a high-hazard flammable train 
route assessment.
    So, at FRA, we're not just resting, we're constantly moving 
and looking at ways to move the needle on overall railroad 
safety.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. I think this conversation about best 
practices and safety culture is really important. The 
Department of Energy has done so much on nuclear safety. 
Michael Lewis wrote his great book, ``The Fifth Risk.'' We can 
borrow these human factors, in particular across different--
whether it's aviation, rail, energy, and hopefully, we are 
doing that at the Federal level, because we should be.
    Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Kean for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you for convening this important hearing. I would also like to 
thank the witnesses for being here today.
    Before I get into my questions, I want to note for 
Administrator Bose the letter I sent to the FRA on December 20 
of last year. This letter, regarding the designation--or I 
should say the redesignation--of a quiet zone for the township 
of Branchburg, New Jersey, in my district. The township has 
shown their commitment through funding and entering into 
necessary agreements with Norfolk Southern and other pertinent 
partners. I sent the letter to your Associate Administrator for 
Railroad Safety and Chief Safety Officer. I will make sure that 
you and your team receive a copy of this letter before you 
leave here today.
    But in the meantime, can I get your commitment to work with 
my office and Branchburg on this effort?
    Mr. Bose. Absolutely, Congressman.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you. And Administrator Bose, 
do you think that grade crossing safety is ripe for innovation?
    Mr. Bose. For innovation?
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Yes.
    Mr. Bose. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. And what specific steps have you 
taken since you were confirmed to encourage and advance 
innovation to grade crossing safety?
    Mr. Bose. We have worked with the railroad companies, and 
we also have research projects that are underway right now. I 
mentioned that vehicle-to-grade crossing technology 
communication that we have. We are open to all other types of 
initiatives.
    And also, if Congress has any ideas or any things that FRA 
should look at, we are happy to do that.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you.
    Mr. Jefferies, you mentioned in your testimony most grade 
crossing and rail-related pedestrian accidents are preventable, 
and can best be reduced through education, engineering, and 
enforcement. I want to focus on the education front.
    What has the FRA or your association done to educate the 
public to prevent these possible deaths or injuries?
    Mr. Jefferies. We all work collectively through an 
organization called Operation Lifesaver, whose sole mission is 
public awareness around the risk and danger of attempting to go 
across a crossing that is closed, of trespassing on train 
tracks. Their motto is, ``See tracks, think trains,'' because a 
train can't just stop on a dime like a car can.
    And so, we would love to see additional Federal funding. It 
is a good partnership, I think, across the board, and it is 
one--I think Congressman LaMalfa asked about addressing driver 
behavior. Public awareness is a key way of doing that.
    On top of that, Chair Homendy mentioned technology in cars. 
As we continue to build more autonomous technology into cars, 
the ability is there to not allow a car to proceed with a 
blocked crossing, with a closed crossing. And so, we think 
myriad tools exist. Railroads are going to do their part. We 
are going to work with communities. We are going to work with 
our regulators and our safety overseers, but it takes on all-
of-the-above strategy.
    Mr. Kean of New Jersey. Thank you.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back my time.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. We have two Members left for 
questions.
    I think, Ms. Homendy, I am going to be up there at----
    Ms. Homendy [interrupting]. I am here as long as you want 
me here.
    Mr. Nehls. OK, all right. I now recognize Mr. Mann for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Mann. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for 
being here, and thanks for this important hearing.
    A couple of quick things, and this is for you, Mr. Bose. I 
represent the Big First District of Kansas, which is the 
western two-thirds part of our State, except for the Wichita 
area. We have got 4,600 miles of active rail in our State. We 
have 4 Class I railroads, 13 short lines, and 2 switching and 
terminal railroads in Kansas. Moving goods across the State and 
country are vital for our ag industry and other industries, as 
well.
    The first question, and we have all kind of been in and out 
a little bit, I understand this has come up a couple of times 
here. But for you, Mr. Bose, brake health effectiveness, what 
is the exact timeline for when we anticipate a response or an 
answer?
    And just as a Member of Congress, my understanding is the 
technology is there. My understanding is labor is for it, the 
railroad is for it, waiting for approval. When are we going to 
get some kind of an answer or direction, and where exactly does 
it sit in the process?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, we are reviewing that petition, the 
FRA is. In terms of the timeline, I will get back to you with 
an exact timeline.
    There are comments that have to be addressed. There is 
safety that has to be looked at. I hope that FRA staff are in 
place, and there is continuous funding so that they can look at 
waivers and review waivers. There is a multiple number of 
variables here that, right now, I can't give you a specific 
timeline on that. We are actively reviewing that.
    Mr. Mann. OK, OK, fair enough.
    Next question for you, Mr. Jefferies. In my district, we 
have rail crossings where the train stops, and you have 
emergency management vehicles. In a lot of rural communities, 
there are not a lot of other grade crossings or options. In 
your testimony, you mentioned how railroads are working on 
innovative approaches to address problematic crossings. What 
are some examples, and what do you need from us here in 
Congress as we all move forward?
    Mr. Jefferies. Well, thank you for that. So, as you 
probably heard, we strongly believe--I think everyone on this 
panel believes--that the best crossing is the one that doesn't 
exist. But you can't eliminate every crossing out there. That's 
never going to happen.
    And so, the second best way of addressing that is, one, 
working with the community, identifying, OK, do we have a 
chronically blocked crossing, and why.
    Mr. Bose talked about our experience working together in 
Houston, where we addressed crossings on 19 critical roadways, 
and have seen a decrease of over 60 percent in 6 months. So, 
good progress there.
    So, whether it's making operational changes--I know in 
Hammond, Indiana, we were able to change an interchange point 
that reduced--not eliminated all blocked crossings, but made a 
big chunk of difference. So, whether it's using technology, 
whether it's operational changes, whether it's infrastructure 
investment, and then really, in the event of a blocked 
crossing, making sure we are communicating to the public and to 
first responders so that they know about alternate routes or 
how long a crossing might be blocked.
    So, all-of-the-above strategy, and would love to sit down 
and work with your office to see how we might best address what 
you are referring to.
    Mr. Mann. Yes, likewise.
    And last question for you, Chair Homendy. Earlier with a 
question you--I think your exact words were, ``It's not just 
resources . . . . We have to figure out a way to streamline 
these projects,'' and every one of you nodded your head. How do 
we do that?
    Ms. Homendy. That's a great question. We do not have a 
recommendation on that. I would be happy to work with the 
committee, just from previous experience.
    But we can't have a situation where this takes years and 
years to address community concerns. And right now, we are 
looking at 7, 8, 9, 10 years for a lot of these projects. 
That's just not acceptable. That's not an improvement to 
safety.
    Mr. Mann. That's right. And many times, the resources are 
there, the will is there on all parties' parts. With inflation, 
the cost continues to go up, which you mentioned, Mr. Smith, 
and we have these multiple-year delays. It makes no--these are 
solvable problems that we need to figure----
    Ms. Homendy [interrupting]. They are solvable problems. But 
also--and Mr. Smith had mentioned making sure that local 
entities have the resources that they need, too, because a lot 
of times with these projects, a lot is put on local 
communities.
    If you just look at the Mendon accident, the Mendon, 
Missouri, accident, when we were on scene. I went to visit the 
three local commissioners who mostly spend their days in their 
small businesses. They don't do grade crossing elimination or 
active crossings. And they looked at me and said, ``We don't 
know how to come up with this money, and we don't do 
environmental engineering work. How would we afford this?''
    Now, luckily, FRA was on scene. Federal Highways I was able 
to call, and we pulled everybody together, along with BNSF and 
the State and Amtrak to get a great solution. But that's not 
always available.
    So, the locals need to know how to get the resources and 
where to go to get them.
    Mr. Mann. Yes, that is right. Thank you.
    I yield back the balance of my time which I do not have. 
Thank you.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you. The gentleman yields. I now recognize 
Mr. Duarte for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Duarte. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it.
    Ms. Homendy, Chairman Homendy, am I getting that even 
close?
    Ms. Homendy. Jennifer works.
    Mr. Duarte. Jennifer. Thank you. John. Good to see you.
    Speaking of the timeframes to put together some of these 
projects--7, 8 years--one of the features of the recent Fiscal 
Responsibility Act that dealt with the debt ceiling was a very 
robust NEPA reform that I believe was long overdue that put 
down that minor projects, except for the biggest projects, 
should be accomplished within 1 year, and there should be a 
lead agency status.
    Has your group, to alleviate some of these time drags and 
timeframe delays on these construction projects, looked at the 
new policies for the National Environmental Policy Act under 
the Fiscal Responsibility Act to see if you can streamline?
    Ms. Homendy. We have not looked at that. Perhaps that is 
something that FRA has and others. Our mandate is to 
investigate an accident.
    Mr. Duarte. Fair enough.
    Ms. Homendy. But it's not----
    Mr. Duarte [interrupting]. So, I will ask you----
    Ms. Homendy [continuing]. Something we have looked at.
    Mr. Duarte [continuing]. Administrator Bose, have you 
looked at the NEPA reform policies under the Fiscal 
Responsibility Act signed by the President, bipartisan 
legislation, to see if you can streamline some of these 
projects and make them easier, cheaper, faster?
    Mr. Bose. Yes, sir. We are actively looking at that, and 
also working across different agencies because these programs 
are--a road program, it can be a road project as well. So, that 
involves another agency. But we are.
    Mr. Duarte. Great. So, can we expect you to bring back to 
us what you find, how you are going to help guide these 
programs along faster, and be ultimately responsive to the NEPA 
reforms under the Fiscal Responsibility Act?
    Mr. Bose. We can do that.
    Mr. Duarte. I appreciate that. Thank you.
    Director Bose, we have a big pushback from this 
administration against pipelines. We don't seem to want to 
build pipelines for natural gas. We don't want to build 
pipelines for crude oil movement anymore. How has energy 
transport, as we have backed off the pipeline approach and 
moved a lot of energy transportation, oil and gas mainly, to 
rail, impacted the capacities, the safety of rail in the United 
States?
    And what is your forecast for how a continually growing 
economy--we just set records in oil production, which means we 
are setting records in gas production. How are you planning for 
the increased movement of these energy products by rail, since 
we are not building pipelines?
    And what is the relative safety and economics of moving 
these energy resources by rail versus pipeline?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, thank you for that question.
    I had an opportunity over the summer to visit the Bakken in 
North Dakota. I happened to be at FRA in the 2012-2013--at 
Department of Transportation--timeframe, when there was a 
growth in that sector, and there were a lot of issues related 
to oil being moved on trains. That has subsequently improved. 
When I was at the Bakken, and it just may have been at the 
moment in time, there was actually a lot of shuttered terminals 
up there at that time.
    As long as there is domestic growth, and the product can be 
moved safely in rail in the right tank cars, and the rail 
industry is producing the right types of tank cars to transport 
those commodities, FRA will be there to make sure that they are 
transported in a safe manner.
    Mr. Duarte. Thank you. Looking at the California Air 
Resources Board, my district is a Central Valley district with 
many food producers and food processors. We have the Modesto 
and Empire Traction Company that connects the old Santa Fe line 
with the Union Pacific lines along that small, short line rail 
system, family-owned; the biggest canneries in the world; some 
of the biggest food processors in the world; Gallo Winery, the 
largest winery in the world.
    Our food system is greatly reliant not only upon local 
short lines such as Modesto and Empire Traction Company, but 
also many of these entities themselves, whether they make pie 
filling with corn syrup or they fill grain elevators to feed 
our poultry and dairy industries, have their own small 
locomotives that are there to position cars through their 
hoppers, and very short private rail systems that will be 
greatly impacted by the elimination of diesel locomotives. It 
might be 10 years old, but they are far from worn out, and they 
are only incidentally used. I am just going to admonish you to 
be very sensitive to elimination of short rail lines.
    And in my final seconds, I will tell you, we can't even get 
electrical hookups from Pacific Gas and Electric in large parts 
of my district. So, the prospect of using electrical units for 
any of these replacements is impossible. We can't even put in a 
new housing development or retail outlet in the town of Madera, 
because PG&E has a 2-year wait that has been a 2-year wait for 
3 years now for any new electrical hookups. So, there is no 
feasibility to comply with some of these ultra-low emissions 
standards.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Mr. Duarte. I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. Thank you.
    I know Mr. Molinaro has two questions. I think the first 
one is for you, Ms. Homendy. And then, after you answer, you 
can feel free to be excused. OK, all right.
    Ms. Homendy. I know who funds us.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Nehls. Mr. Molinaro, please.
    Mr. Molinaro. Jennifer, I am very grateful to you.
    Ms. Homendy. Thank you.
    Mr. Molinaro. If it helps, I will, however, start in 
reverse, Mr. Chairman.
    And so, you spoke, obviously, about the NTSB's vital role 
in seeing what obviously goes wrong in transportation issues. 
And we have acknowledged, obviously, some of our concerns. I 
was glad to vote in committee and on the House floor to support 
increased funding and reauthorization of the NTSB, which you 
duly noted, which was included in the FAA reauthorization.
    Specifically in your testimony, you mentioned rail worker 
safety at grade crossings. And I, for one, want to join my 
colleagues and acknowledge the work of the men and women who 
provide for rail safety around this country. They provide for 
our national economy. And of course, we are grateful for their 
hard work.
    In your testimony, you also discussed a number of 
reoccurring safety issues at grade crossings. Can you just put 
a highlight for the folks in upstate New York, in particular, 
to the specific few recommendations that you would recommend to 
ensure such safety issues don't happen again? I just want to 
reinforce that message.
    Ms. Homendy. Yes. On grade crossings themselves, it's grade 
crossing design, it's technology to prevent grade crossing 
collisions and, of course, increasing or improving rail worker 
safety.
    But at-grade crossings themselves with respect to design, 
we have looked at the profile of crossings to make sure that 
they are designed, constructed, and maintained in a safe manner 
so that cars, vehicles aren't getting stuck on humped 
crossings. We have looked at traffic queues at grade crossings. 
We have seen that adequate line of sight to ensure vegetation 
doesn't prevent drivers from seeing, as they pass, maybe 
passive grade crossings and, most importantly, improving 
passive grade crossings so that they become active crossings 
with lights, gates.
    Mr. Molinaro. Thank you, I appreciate that.
    And Administrator Bose, I just want to turn to the CRISI 
grants, in particular. I remain a strong advocate for 
implementation and use of those dollars. The program, of 
course, helps short line railroads repair and rehabilitate 
worn-out track rail infrastructure specifically in parts of the 
country like upstate New York, where our infrastructure is 
exceptionally dated. And, frankly, these dollars, these grants 
make a significant impact.
    Now, I have requested the Appropriations Committee provide 
increased funding for the CRISI program, and will continue to 
advocate for overall support of the program. That said, like 
some of my colleagues, and certainly those I represent, I share 
concern that much of the funding available--and with, 
obviously, much of the Nation turning perhaps to electoral 
politics in the next couple of months--the administration may 
not be as focused on getting those dollars on the ground, and 
addressing the needs of the short line projects that ultimately 
apply.
    Can you give commitment that the FRA will take the proper 
amount of time and more efficiently review many of those short 
line projects that will apply next for CRISI grants?
    Mr. Bose. Congressman, you have my word on that. And I 
would just note, we have $700 million that we awarded to short 
line railroads, a historic level, just in 2023. But I 
understand your point, and we want to do that expeditiously.
    Mr. Molinaro. Yes. So, I live in a part of the country that 
has seen the deterioration of that infrastructure. And despite 
the massive amount of funding, too often those dollars don't 
effectively get on the ground in an efficient way.
    And certainly I would note in closing, Mr. Chairman, 
because I know time is of the essence, in the part of the State 
that I represent, Binghamton, New York, the Southern Tier, 
massive investment over the years, but deterioration of the 
infrastructure is not only impacting the safety of the short 
lines themselves, but of the communities therein. And it is 
just necessary to move those dollars a bit more effectively and 
efficiently.
    And with that, Mr. Chair----
    Ms. Homendy [interrupting]. Wait, don't yield back. May I 
just say thank you for your support of the NTSB and for funding 
and our reauthorization bill as part of the FAA bill?
    I say that sincerely, because our authorization expired at 
the end of fiscal year 2022, and it makes a real difference 
when you are a small agency with such a small budget. If you 
don't have an authorization, we are constantly begging for what 
our next budget will be. It makes a big difference. So, I 
appreciate all your work on the committee. Thank you for your 
support of the NTSB.
    Now you can yield back.
    Mr. Molinaro. I yield, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Nehls. We are going to yield your last 10 seconds to 
Mr. Payne here for one last question.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you for the indulgence of the Chair.
    And Ms. Homendy, just while I have you here, I couldn't 
help but ask in reference to autonomous vehicles, in the 
context of rail, what are your thoughts?
    Ms. Homendy. I would have real concerns with our railroads 
being the test bed for autonomous vehicles. If you just look at 
the investigations that we have conducted on autonomous 
vehicles on our roads, there are a lot of safety lessons to be 
learned there. I would not want to see a 2- to 3-mile-long 
train, much less a 4-mile train, which I once saw a concept 
for, with nobody on board.
    I mean, let me tell you, in East Palestine, that crew did 
an amazing job in a situation where you have 149 railcars, a 
distributed power unit, and a locomotive. I don't want to see 
that going down the track with nobody on board.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you, and I yield----
    Mr. Jefferies [interrupting]. To be clear, no one is 
suggesting that.
    Ms. Homendy. I think you just said it could be a test bed.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you.
    Ms. Homendy. I love Ian.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Payne. I yield back.
    Mr. Nehls. The gentleman yields. Are there any further 
questions from any members of the committee who have not been 
recognized?
    Seeing none, this concludes our hearing for today. I would 
like to thank each one of you, each one of our witnesses for 
your testimony.
    The committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:32 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]



                                Appendix

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     Questions to Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
                Administration, from Hon. Troy E. Nehls

    Question 1. There are several Federal grant opportunities at United 
States Department of Transportation (DOT) for states, municipalities, 
and others to improve or eliminate grade crossing safety issues. 
However, many of these grant awards have not been announced or awarded 
yet, including the newest round of Rail Crossing Elimination grant 
funding. When can we expect an announcement for these grants, and can 
you explain the delay in announcing and awarding funds?
    Answer. FRA anticipates announcing the Railroad Crossing 
Elimination (RCE) Notice of Funding Opportunity (NOFO) in spring of 
2024. FRA's Office of Railroad Development conducts regular outreach to 
our railroad partners as well as local communities, and we offer 
debrief meetings to unsuccessful applicants to any of our grant 
programs. In the months following announcement of FY22 RCE awards, the 
FRA Office of Railroad Development has conducted nearly 50 RCE debrief 
meetings. These meetings have been valuable opportunities for 
applicants and their partners to understand how to improve their 
applications for the next round, and FRA benefits from hearing the 
challenges and concerns within the program experienced by our 
applicants.
    From these meetings, FRA has heard that more guidance on the 
project lifecycle would be helpful, particularly regarding planning. 
FRA published in January 2023 its Guidance on Development and 
Implementation of Railroad Capital Projects,\1\ which defines every 
stage of the project lifecycle, including planning. We also learned 
that applicants would like more clarity regarding RCE's unique program 
conditions, such as eligible funding requests, set-asides, and eligible 
project types, and we plan to clarify these points in the next NOFO and 
conduct more educational outreach.
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    \1\ FRA's Guidance on Development and Implementation of Railroad 
Capital Projects is available online on FRA's website at Railroad 
Capital Project Guidance (dot.gov) [https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/
fra.dot.gov/files/2023-01/FRA%20Guidance%20on%20Development%20and
%20Implementation%20of%20Railroad%20Capital%20Projects.pdf].

    Question 2. Small communities face administrative limitations which 
often put them at a disadvantage in applying for grants and assistance, 
even when they clearly qualify. Unfortunately, evaluating subjective 
criteria, such as climate benefits, may exacerbate this disadvantage.
    Should the FRA focus the rail crossing elimination program on 
projects that have quantifiable safety and economic benefits ahead of 
benefits like climate change that a small community would have 
difficulty measuring?
    Answer. Each eligible application is evaluated on its individual 
merits and the program's selection criteria, which are public in the 
Notice of Funding Opportunity. FRA asks applicants to demonstrate any 
benefits a project may provide for safety and mobility, as well as 
additional benefits in addressing many other factors. In the course of 
conducting RCE debriefs and informational meetings with applicants, FRA 
has not heard concerns regarding climate change criteria from RCE 
applicants. Additionally, FRA does not believe that climate change and 
safety are mutually exclusive; for example, a grade separation project 
provides safety benefits to railroads, motorists, and pedestrians, 
while also reducing railroad and vehicle delays that may cause 
additional emissions.

    Question 3. BNSF Railway, with support from the Brotherhood of 
Railway Carmen (BRC), petitioned FRA to approve an expansion of its 
Brake Health Effectiveness Waiver (BHE). This waiver was reviewed and 
approved by FRA's Safety Board in June 2023. It has been more than six 
months, and this is proven technology that has been deployed for years 
with demonstrated increased safety benefits. Which organization is the 
FRA waiting for comments on BHE?
    Question 3.a. Given the current use and prior approvals of BHE 
waivers, what concerns are preventing immediate approval of expansion?
    Question 3.b. It is my understanding the BHE Test Committee which 
includes FRA representatives, BNSF, American Association of Railroads, 
United Transportation Union, Smart TD, BRC, and other railroads have 
already voted in support of the expansion. If this is accurate, why is 
FRA still reviewing the request? What are the outstanding issues 
preventing finalization?
    Answer to 3., 3.a., & 3.b. FRA has broad discretionary authority to 
waive the requirement to comply with any rule, regulation, or order 
upon finding doing so is ``in the public interest and consistent with 
railroad safety,'' and is currently reviewing BNSF's petition.\2\ FRA 
considers every petition for waiver on its own merits and strives to 
act on waiver petitions in as timely a manner as possible. FRA 
investigates and analyzes the facts and circumstances of each petition 
to determine whether granting the requested relief is justified. In 
doing so, FRA staff conduct a preliminary review of an incoming 
petition to determine whether it meets the minimum regulatory 
requirements. If a petition meets these requirements, FRA will provide 
a public comment period. FRA will also conduct an appropriate technical 
analysis and may conduct a field investigation. Only after 
consideration of all relevant information and data, including any 
public comments received, FRA may issue a decision on the incoming 
request, explaining the reasons for granting or denying the request. 
Although BRC has expressed its support of BNSF's waiver request, 
several labor organizations filed comments opposing the request before 
\3\ and after the January 18, 2024, hearing.\4\ See https://
www.regulations.gov/comment/FRA-2018-0049-0031. FRA will make a 
determination on this waiver petition once its review is complete.
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    \2\ BNSF's petition is available in FRA Docket Number FRA-2018-0049 
(available at www.regulations.gov).
    \3\ The comments submitted before January 18, 2024, were not 
submitted in direct response to FRA's notice in Docket Number FRA-2018-
0049, but were submitted in dockets FRA-2020-0033 and FRA-2006-24812.
    \4\ The unions party to the jointly-filed comment in Docket Number 
FRA-2018-0049 include: American Train Dispatchers Association; 
Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen-IBT; Brotherhood of 
Maintenance of Way Employes Division-IBT; Brotherhood of Railroad 
Signalmen; International Association of Machinists and Aerospace 
Workers; International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and 
Transportation Workers-Mechanical and Engineering Department; 
International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation 
Workers-Transportation Division; International Brotherhood of 
Boilermakers, Iron Ship Builders, Blacksmiths, Forgers, and Helpers; 
the National Conference of Firemen & Oilers, SEIU; and Transport 
Workers Union of America.

    Question 4. FRA strongly supports having all Class 1 railroads join 
the Confidential Close Call Reporting System. However, FRA and the 
Class 1s have yet to meet to discuss and resolve issues to move forward 
with full participation. My understanding is that the FRA canceled the 
January 24, 2024, meeting because of room scheduling issues. Why has 
DOT not been able to schedule such a vital meeting, especially as my 
understanding is this meeting can be done virtually? Will you commit to 
holding this meeting and when can we expect it to happen?
    Answer. Following the Norfolk Southern derailment in East 
Palestine, OH, the Secretary reaffirmed the Department's commitment to 
enhancing freight rail safety through certain FRA actions and called 
upon Congress and the freight railroad industry to take steps to 
improve safety across the nation, including calling on all Class I 
railroads to join FRA's Confidential Close Call Reporting System 
(C3RS). While all have committed to joining, discussions are ongoing. 
Although a meeting of the RSAC C3RS Working Group scheduled on January 
24, 2024 was cancelled by the meeting host due to unscheduled required 
audio/visual upgrades in the meeting room, that meeting was re-
scheduled and took place on February 21, 2024, in the same location in 
Irving, TX.
    FRA held the first RSAC C3RS meetings in March 2023, and FRA's 
subject matter experts have held numerous meetings with each Class I 
and the railroad unions, as well as additional RSAC working group 
meetings. Administrator Bose has sent letters and talked with the Class 
I leaders about making good on that commitment. C3RS has proven 
effective on the 27 railroads participating prior to this hearing, and 
FRA remains working with the stakeholders to implement this commitment.
    Following the Subcommittee's hearing on January 18, Norfolk 
Southern (NS) and FRA announced a pilot program to begin implementing 
C3RS with some NS employees, and BNSF Railway, the American Train 
Dispatchers Association, and FRA announced a separate pilot program in 
April 2024. FRA is committed to seeing all Class I railroads join the 
C3RS program and will take all action to see this accomplished without 
compromising the program. Research has shown that this program works to 
reduce collisions, injuries, and deaths because it encourages 
corrective action.

    Question 5. Recently the University of Illinois Rail Transportation 
and Engineering Center presented their ongoing research that is looking 
at the impacts of long trains on derailments. They found the operation 
of longer trains results in less cars being derailed, as compared to 
shorter trains. It is my understanding that this is just the first part 
of the research this team is doing on the topic. Are you familiar with 
this research and if so, will you commit to reviewing such research and 
ensuring that when the FRA is considering new regulations it will rely 
on such data when making regulatory decisions?
    Answer. While there is currently no Federal regulation restricting 
train length, nor much data reported regularly on train length, FRA is 
aware the Class I freight railroads have increased train length in 
recent years and that there are different complexities associated with 
operating longer trains compared to shorter trains. Given this, FRA 
continues to monitor their operation. FRA has taken, and is taking, 
several relevant actions.
    The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) directed FRA to require 
railroads to report train length in their monthly accident data 
reports. The first month of reporting (December 2023) became available 
in March 2024. BIL also directed FRA to work with the National 
Academies to study train length, and the NAS anticipates publishing 
their report this fall. Additionally, FRA submitted 30-day notice to 
the Federal Register for an Information Collection Request on operation 
of trains to inform potential complexities and safety concerns 
associated with operating longer trains, and FRA will begin collecting 
data in June based on railroad reporting from May. FRA will also soon 
publish its study of the effects of long train operations on braking 
effectiveness, which includes input from labor, railroads, and 
suppliers. Finally, based on Class I incidents, FRA published Safety 
Advisory 2023-02 Train Makeup and Operational Safety Concerns on April 
11, 2023, and Safety Advisory 2023-03 on Accident Mitigation and Train 
Length on May 2, 2023. FRA will continue to monitor the impact to 
safety of operating long trains, including through data it collects and 
that others publish, including available research.

    Question 6. Twice last year the illegal migrant crisis at the 
Southern Border forced the shutdown of major railroad lines critical to 
the United States supply chain. The shutdowns had tremendous impacts 
not only on commerce and the supply chain but put railroad workers in 
danger.
    Question 6.a. Can you discuss the negative impact of the illegal 
migrant crisis on the railroad industry and what FRA is doing to help 
the situation?
    Question 6.b. Does FRA have a plan for border rail traffic as well 
as a plan in the event of another shutdown of international rail 
crossings?
    Question 7. Can you please explain the cause of the freight 
railroad shutdowns in September and December 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas, 
and El Paso, Texas? Did the Administration consult with you? What was 
your posture and recommendation?
    Answer to 6.a., 6.b., & 7. I would refer you to our federal 
partners at Customs and Border Protection (CBP). To the extent this 
issue arises in the context of FRA activities concerning the safety of 
the rail system itself, we stand ready to cooperate and coordinate with 
the railroads, and our state, local, and federal partners. FRA waivers 
are in place at the Eagle Pass and El Paso border crossings that allow 
Union Pacific at Eagle Pass and BNSF at El Paso to operate trains 
received in interchange at the border up to 14 miles into the U.S. 
before performing complete, comprehensive Class I brake tests on the 
trains. These waivers are subject to several conditions designed to 
ensure the safety of the operation into the U.S. and these waivers do 
not authorize the use of non-U.S. crews to operate the equipment. For 
further information on these waivers see FRA Docket Numbers FRA-2007-
28952 and FRA-2007-28812.
    Additionally, railroads are responsible for maintaining the 
security of their trains and operations, and federal jurisdiction in 
this area falls to our partners in the Department of Homeland Security 
and Transportation Security Administration. Only railroad employees or 
other authorized personnel should be on freight trains. It is FRA's 
understanding that CBP did not allow migrants trespassing on freight 
trains from Mexico to remain onboard as trains entered the United 
States.
    While AAR reports [https://www.aar.org/issue/el-paso-eagle-pass-
crossings/] an estimated $200 million per day in lost value of goods, 
wages, and transportation costs in the event of a border crossing 
closure at El Paso and Eagle Pass, based on analysis of Bureau of 
Transportation Statistics (BTS) TransBorder data [https://
explore.dot.gov/views/Dashboard_PortbyCommodity/Overview?%3Aembed=y&
%3Aiid=1&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y], the average daily value of 
goods moving via rail over those two crossings accounts for about half 
of that at just over $100 million per day. The actual daily impact of a 
given closure will vary depending on the time of the year, the length 
of the closure, and the ability of a given border crossing to make up 
for lost time when the crossing opens again. For example, analysis of 
BTS Border Crossing data [https://data.bts.gov/Research-and-Statistics/
Border-Crossing-Entry-Data/keg4-3bc2/data] suggests that the five-day 
closure in December did not have a significant impact on volume at 
Eagle Pass for the total month of December, while the impact to El Paso 
may have been greater than the daily average volume of traffic. (See 
graphs below for Eagle Pass and El Paso.)






    Question 8. How does the FRA Safety Board fulfill and review the 
requirements of 49 C.F.R. Sec.  211.41 when it is considering waivers 
for Automated Track Inspection (ATI) technology, including the nine-
month timeline under that regulation?
    Question 8.a. Does FRA have adequate resources and staff to timely 
evaluate and decide railroad waiver requests?
    Question 8.b. If not, what is impacting the Agency's overall 
ability to timely issue waiver decisions since 2021, and what 
additional resources might be needed to ensure decisions are made in 
the regulatorily required time periods.
    Question 9.a. Does FRA believe any deficiencies existed in the 
transparency of the ATI waiverprocess prior to January 20, 2021?
    Question 9.b. If so, what specific steps has FRA taken to improve 
the transparency in the process?
    Question 10. How does the FRA interact with stakeholders to ensure 
the efficient handling of ATI waiver requests? Please also provide a 
list of individuals or entities that the FRA views as stakeholders in 
this space.
    Answer to 8., 8.a., 8.b., 9.a., 9.b., & 10. The Department fully 
supports the development and deployment of new technologies to improve 
railroad safety. However, it is also important that the human element 
of railroad safety be maintained, as technology cannot supplant the 
expertise and judgement of human eyes and ears on the ground. The 
railroads can deploy Automated Track Inspection (ATI) technologies 
today; nothing is stopping them. Track defects are some of the most 
frequent causes of derailments, and FRA believes that ATI technology 
holds great promise, but visual inspections remain vitally important. 
ATI is incapable of detecting many structural defects and issues, 
including roadbed, vegetation, tie condition, and track component 
defects, such as switches, derails, and broken rails, which occur 
primarily in turnouts and rail-to-rail crossings.
    Over the years, the use of automated track inspection technologies, 
in addition to visual inspections, has helped drive down the number of 
track-caused derailments. Today, every Class I railroad uses some form 
of ATI. The Department encourages railroads to deploy new inspection 
technologies without seeking permission to reduce human inspections; we 
need both to keep our nation's railroads safe.
    FRA interacts with stakeholders to ensure the efficient handling of 
ATI waiver requests through its well-established notice and comment 
process required by statute and outlined in FRA's Rules of Practice (49 
CFR Part 211). See also FRA Guidance on Submitting Requests for 
Waivers, Block Signal Applications, and Other Approval Requests 
[https://railroads.dot.gov/elibrary/guidance-submitting-requests-
waivers-block-signal-applications-and-other-approval-requests].

    Question 11. What steps is the FRA taking to encourage and support 
implementation of new technologies to improve safety for freight 
railroads? Please provide specific examples of areas the FRA is 
examining as well as specific technologies that are under examination.
    Answer. FRA is committed to implementing the Department's 
Innovation Principles, and technology plays a key role, as do workers. 
FRA has a long history of working with railroads and the supply 
industry to develop, test, verify and validate technology solutions, as 
well as evaluating comments from labor organizations, other 
stakeholders and the public when evaluating technology for approval to 
operate. FRA's regulations provide a range of options for technology 
testing, from 49 CFR Sec.  211.51, which is designed to provide a 
method for testing and evaluating the effectiveness of new technology 
or operational approaches, to a Notice of Product Development or 
Development Plan as described in 49 CFR Part 236, Subparts H and I, 
respectively. 49 CFR Part 236 also outlines a process for the approval 
of new technology.
    FRA's Office of Railroad Safety provides technical assistance and 
oversight of technology development, attending design reviews, 
providing subject matter expertise, observing testing, and ultimately 
approving a railroad's request for use of new technology in revenue 
operations. FRA's support to the industry's successful implementation 
of Positive Train Control (PTC), a development and implementation 
process covering more than a dozen years, is an example of this 
coordination and cooperation.
    In recognition of industry's efforts to develop new technology in 
support of safety and efficiency improvements, the Office of Railroad 
Safety created the Engineering and Technology (ET) Division in FRA's 
Office of Railroad Systems and Technology. The ET Division mission 
statement is to promote railroad safety by leading in the development, 
coordination, and implementation of new technology across the railroad 
industry, including evaluation of technology with respect to existing 
and new regulations. The ET Division utilizes systems engineering 
concepts to aid in the development of innovative and unified safety 
systems, many of which encompass multiple disciplines, and support 
railroads throughout the lifecycle of technology development.
    Over the last two years, the ET Division has acted as the lead 
office within FRA providing technical assistance and program oversight 
to a range of new technology projects led by the railroad industry. 
Examples of several active projects are:
      Vision-based mechanical inspection portal utilizing 
machine learning and artificial intelligence;
      Laser sensor intrusion detection in support of grade 
crossing and trespass safety improvements;
      3D laser triangulation and convolutional neural network 
algorithms that provide improved imaging of track defects collected by 
ATI cars;
      Grade crossing activation and shunting advancements using 
vital axle counters;
      Alternative fuels and power sources, including green 
hydrogen (H2), electrification, and batteries, in support of 
decarbonization;
      Single car freight transportation system, using battery 
powered drones, providing short distance transportation (potentially 
serving highly congested areas, such as ports); and
      Technology alternatives to support high-speed passenger 
operations, including the use of innovative international equipment and 
technology for locomotives, passenger cars, and signaling and train 
control.

    Additionally, the FRA Office of Research, Data, and Innovation 
performs critical work to evaluate and test railroad safety technology 
at the FRA Transportation Technology Center (TTC) in Pueblo, CO. As 
part of this effort, FRA is currently restoring and improving TTC's 
research and testing laboratory for use in the development of current 
and future safety, security, and efficiency improvements for railroad 
operations. FRA also plans to develop a wayside test bed that will be 
used for assessing detectors and their implementation (e.g., detector 
frequency to determine appropriate detection intervals).
    Other work at TTC includes FRA establishing the capability to 
develop and test ``next generation'' communication-based train control 
system building on the PTC technology. This technology includes precise 
locating Head of Train (HOT) and End of Train (EOT), broken rail 
detection, object detection and classification, and Rail Crossing 
Vehicle Warning technology.
    In the year following the Norfolk Southern derailment in East 
Palestine, Ohio, there has been renewed attention, including by 
Congress, in tank car safety standards and requirements. FRA conducts 
its Tank Car Crashworthiness and Safe Transportation of Energy Products 
research at TTC, including the following activities:
      FRA is conducting puncture testing using the pendulum 
impact machine and related simulations to better understand the 
performance of different welds on tank cars.
      FRA is continuing a research program designed to provide 
the technical basis for rulemaking on enhanced and alternative 
performance standards for tank cars, and the review of new and 
innovative designs, by performing full-scale impact tests on different 
tank cars and validating the finite element models used to evaluate the 
puncture performance of several tank cars used to transport hazardous 
materials.
      FRA is assessing the effect of both train handling and 
combination track perturbations on tank car behavior using an 
instrumented tank car to collect coupler forces for various coupling 
conditions, which will allow a better understanding on the load 
environment the tank cars are subject to during transportation.
      FRA is developing and testing a system that uses rapid 
airbrake propagation devices (RAPiD) placed along a train to improve 
stopping distances when the brakes are activated by a locomotive 
engineer.

    Question 12. Another promising safety innovation, which was 
particularly important during the COVID pandemic, is 3-Dimensional 
virtual training. These programs could also be helpful in ensuring 
employee re-training and availability of training in the wake of supply 
chain challenges. After 14 months, the FRA recently denied railroad 
waiver requests even though they have previously approved similar 
requests. Please explain the FRA's reason for the reversal.
    Answer. FRA agrees that 3-D virtual training is a promising safety 
innovation. As it has in the past, FRA continues to support the use of 
advanced technologies in connection with the training of railroad 
employees. Currently, four railroads have ongoing waivers allowing for 
the use of virtual, simulated training to meet the requirements for 
``hands-on'' periodic refresher training for certain personnel.\5\ FRA 
believes the technologies railroads are using for this training offer 
promising potential, especially when used to refresh employees' 
existing skill sets. FRA recognizes, however, that a multitude of 
factors impact the effectiveness of such training (e.g., availability 
of instructor feedback, specific methods of implementation, level of 
engagement of the employee).
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    FRA evaluates every waiver request individually and in the case of 
the waiver requests FRA denied in 2023,\6\ FRA found that the safety 
justifications provided by the petitioners were lacking. For example, 
in one waiver request, the petitioning railroad sought to expand its 
use of simulated training, but that railroad had not yet fully 
implemented the relief FRA previously provided.\7\ In a second waiver 
request, FRA found that the proposed training limited an instructor's 
ability to monitor employee behavior during the training, compared to 
how other railroads have implemented virtual training.\8\ Notably, with 
regard to this second waiver request, following FRA's denial of the 
railroad's initial request, the railroad engaged with labor 
stakeholders, and those stakeholders subsequently filed comments with 
FRA supporting the railroad's waiver request if certain conditions were 
met.\9\ Additionally, as FRA explained in each decision letter, 
consistent with FRA's Rules of Practice,\10\ in order to continue to 
expand the use of virtual, simulated training under the conditions 
requested, FRA asked that each petitioner articulate a data-based 
safety case that objectively demonstrates an equivalent or improved 
level of safety through the use of the proposed virtual, simulated 
training. In each decision letter, FRA outlined potential methods of 
articulating such a safety case.
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    \6\ See FRA Docket Nos. FRA-2018-0100 (FRA denied a request from NS 
to expand certain aspects of the existing relief in this docket), FRA-
2020-0087, and FRA-2021-0042.
    \7\ https://www.regulations.gov/document/FRA-2018-0100-0015.
    \8\ https://www.regulations.gov/document/FRA-2020-0087-0006.
    \9\ https://www.regulations.gov/comment/FRA-2020-0087-0017.
    \10\ 49 CFR Sec.  211.9.

    Question 13. In addition to safety improvements, new technologies 
also have the potential to provide environmental benefits. However, FRA 
has changed its decades-long precedent of expeditiously reviewing and 
approving energy management system advancements under 49 CFR Part 229, 
Subpart E--Locomotive Electronics, and instead, without explanation, is 
now conducting them under 49 CFR Part 236, Subpart H--Standards for 
Processor-Based Signal and Train Control Systems. Please explain why 
FRA made the change.
    Question 13.a. Prior to this change, were stakeholders consulted? 
If yes, please explain which stakeholders and the method for 
consultation.
    Question 13.b. Please explain what steps have been taken to notify 
stakeholders of these changes. If notice has not been provided, please 
justify this failure to communicate.
    Question 13.c. Provide specific examples of freight railroad 
technologies being explored by the FRA that provide environmental 
benefits.
    Answer to 13., 13.a., 13.b., & 13.c. Locomotive energy management 
systems are an important tool used by railroads to optimize train 
handling, reduce fuel usage, and minimize emissions. Since the early 
2000s, railroads have been using energy management systems to control 
the throttle and dynamic brakes of a locomotive, similar to a ``cruise 
control'' system installed in a car. The energy management system uses 
a map of the track profile, as well as other input variables such as 
train length, tonnage, car types, etc., to achieve control, fuel, and 
emission benefits. More recently, developments in energy management 
systems have included interfacing with the locomotive air brakes and 
the onboard positive train control (PTC) system. These developments 
provide the energy management system more precise control of the train 
through the airbrakes as well as additional information regarding the 
signals ahead, which allows the train to slow prior to a red signal and 
provides further control, fuel savings and environmental benefits.
    CSX has proposed an energy management system that is intended to 
interface with both a train's airbrakes and the onboard PTC system. 
Because the system will interface with a train's airbrakes, FRA has 
determined that system is safety-critical as defined under 49 CFR Sec.  
229.305,\11\ and is therefore subject to FRA review and approval under 
49 CFR Part 229, Subpart E--Locomotive Electronics (Subpart E). Subpart 
E requires technical analysis of the safety impact of the energy 
management system prior to introduction into service. FRA's review and 
approval process under Subpart E is technical in nature, and Subpart E 
does not specifically require stakeholder consultation. Further, given 
that the proposed energy management system will also interface with the 
PTC system, FRA is also evaluating whether the energy management system 
comingles with safety critical processor based signal and train control 
systems. If the system is found to commingle with the safety critical 
processor based signal and train control system, Subpart E requires 
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portion thereof, means the correct performance of which is essential to 
safety of personnel or equipment, or both; or the incorrect performance 
of which could cause a hazardous condition, or allow a hazardous 
condition which was intended to be prevented by the function or system 
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    FRA is currently awaiting a final submission of the safety analysis 
required under Subpart E for this proposed system prior to making any 
determination with regard to comingling with the PTC system and whether 
review under Subparts H and I is necessary.\12\
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    FRA has coordinated with railroads and suppliers throughout the 
development of railroad energy management systems (non-safety 
critical), including monitoring testing of these system on the general 
railroad system as part of FRA's safety oversight. As energy management 
systems have developed, including the most recent developments relating 
to controlling the air brakes and interfacing with the PTC system, FRA 
has observed testing at the Pueblo, Colorado, test facility and advised 
railroads and suppliers through meetings and phone discussion of the 
safety-critical designation and the related regulatory impact of such 
designation. FRA has and continues to provide technical assistance in 
the development of the safety analyses required under Subpart E, with 
the most recent engagement preceding this hearing in December 2023.
    On August 22, 2021, CSX Transportation (CSX) submitted its Test 
Request for Trip Optimizer Air Brake Control (TO Air Brake Control), 
Revision 1, dated August 22, 2021, to FRA. CSX asks FRA to approve its 
Test Request so that it may test its TO Air Brake Control on track that 
has been equipped with a PTC system. A Federal Register notice \13\ was 
published on October 21, 2021, providing a notice of availability and 
request for comments. Three public comments were received. This test 
approval is still under FRA review, awaiting the safety analysis 
described above.
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    The freight rail industry is exploring a number of additional 
technologies that provide environmental benefits. Among these are 
primarily the fuel choice to power locomotives: the rail industry is 
actively exploring hydrogen as a locomotive fuel with demonstrative 
projects and testing of hydrogen powered locomotives, conducting 
research with the Department of Energy (DOE), and deploying pilot 
projects supported by FRA and DOE. In addition, the rail industry, 
mostly short lines, submitted CRISI grant applications for battery-
electric switcher locomotives, of which 15 locomotive replacements were 
selected. This is a new technology and will reduce EPA criteria 
pollutants in rail yards and impacts to surrounding communities where 
they are deployed. The industry is also exploring increasing the 
efficiency of locomotives and operational efficiencies to reduce 
greenhouse gas emissions, fuel use, and pollution. In addition, the 
rail industry also seeks to reduce waste from used rail ties, seeking 
methods where used wooden rail ties can be converted to bio-char, a 
soil amendment that can store carbon, creating not only a benefit from 
reduced waste streams, but also creating benefits for storing carbon.

    Question 14. Last year FRA awarded over $3 billion to the 
California High Speed Rail project.\14\ The project has been 
notoriously plagued by delays and cost overruns and is now estimated to 
cost well over $100 billion with no known completion date. How does the 
FRA justify investing billions of dollars in a doomed project as a good 
use of taxpayer money?
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    \14\ Press Release, California High-Speed Rail Authority, High-
Speed Rail Authority to Receive Record $3.1 Billion From Biden 
Administration, (Dec. 5, 2023), available at https://hsr.ca.gov/2023/
12/05/news-release-high-speed-rail-authority-to-receive-record-3-1-
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    Answer. The California-High Speed Rail (CHSR) Program is a 
pioneering high-speed rail program in the United States, the first 
under construction. The challenging experience as the first high-speed 
rail project in the U.S. to go to construction is analogous to other 
countries' experience when building their first high-speed rail 
corridors. FRA is engaging in active and robust oversight on budget and 
scope to ensure best use of public financing, including:
      Our recent selection of tasks for the CHSR project, where 
we funded specific components (such as Trainsets and ancillary 
facilities, and design/construction south to Bakersfield) with specific 
purposes.
      Holding quarterly meetings among our organizations' 
leadership to review progress and areas for improvement.
      Holding monthly risk assessment meetings to review 
enterprise and project-level risk registers, and FRA risk assessment 
and validation of the California High Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) risk 
review work (focusing on cost and schedule), in accordance with FRA's 
Capital Project Guidance.
      Consistent FRA Railroad Development and Safety Offices 
engagement to review construction progress.
      Working with CHSRA's newly appointed Inspector General.
      Inspection and leadership review trips in May 2023 and 
February 2024.
      Phased funding of the project (i.e. FY10 HSPIR funding 
only available after completion of ARRA scope; Phased Funding Agreement 
for FSP-National award of $3.1B).

    Additionally, FRA is taking steps to support the development of 
high-speed intercity passenger rail, including newly proposed standards 
for high-speed trainsets and guidance for advancing high-speed rail 
projects, and providing technical assistance on domestic sourcing and 
compliance with Buy America.

    Question 15. This year, the California Air Resources Board intends 
to seek Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approval for new 
emissions regulations that would effectively require all operators to 
replace most of their existing fleet's locomotives.\15\ Many of these 
existing locomotives have decades remaining of useful life. The 
California Air Resource Board even acknowledges that some short line 
railroads would be eliminated despite the potential availability of 
both state and Federal grants.
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    Question 15.a. Has FRA weighed in on this proposal and its 
potential effect on rail networks and safety?
    Question 15.b. Holding all else constant, would not a reduction in 
short line service result in more freight moving by other modes such as 
trucking?
    Answer to 15.a. & 15.b. The mission of the FRA is to enable the 
safe, reliable, and efficient movement of people and goods for a strong 
America, now and in the future. FRA will continue to work with the 
short line industry to provide grant funding and the necessary support 
to meet all regulatory requirements. Specifically, FRA is supporting 
the short line industry in efforts to reduce emissions through its 
Locomotive Replacement Initiative (LRI), which utilizes Consolidated 
Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) grant funds for the 
purchase of cleaner locomotives, including zero-emission switcher 
locomotives for the short line industry. Fiscal Year 2022 CRISI awards 
will replace dozens of the worst polluting locomotives with cleaner 
ones, including the award for the acquisition of 15 battery-electric 
switcher locomotives, reducing emissions, modernizing the locomotive 
fleet, and supporting innovative technology deployment in the short 
line industry. The Fiscal Year 2023-24 CRISI Notice of Funding 
Opportunity (NOFO) was published on March 29, 2024.
    Additionally, FRA supports the rail industry through research and 
development of clean energy solutions. Most recently, FRA's Offices of 
Railroad Safety, and Research, Data and Innovation hosted an 
international workshop on rail decarbonization from May 15-18, 2023, in 
Denver, CO. The workshop convened in-person discussions between U.S. 
and international rail and clean energy experts on rail decarbonization 
technologies and strategies. Assuring the development and safety of new 
locomotive technologies is an essential element of the LRI, as safety 
is a key role for FRA in assisting the industry as it adopts 
technologies that allow the short line industry to remain competitive 
while other modes of transportation, such as trucking, decarbonize and 
modernize their fleets.

     Questions to Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
             Administration, from Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.

    Question 1. What safety actions has the Department of 
Transportation taken since the Norfolk Southern derailment in East 
Palestine, Ohio?
    Answer. Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) staff, along with 
Pipeline and Hazardous Material Safety Administration (PHMSA) staff, 
were on the ground hours after the derailment, supporting the National 
Transportation Safety Board's (NTSB) investigation and initiating FRA's 
own investigation. In addition to the near-constant presence of FRA 
safety personnel at the site, senior Departmental officials, including 
Secretary Buttigieg, FRA Administrator Amit Bose, and PHMSA Deputy 
Administrator Tristan Brown, all visited the East Palestine community 
multiple times in the immediate aftermath of the derailment:
      The FRA Administrator and PHMSA Deputy Administrator on 
February 22: Alongside colleagues from NTSB, and others, joined an 
inspection of the tank cars involved in the NS derailment and held a 
roundtable with railroad workers and firefighters who responded to the 
incident.
      The Secretary, FRA Associate Administrator for Railroad 
Safety and Chief Safety Officer, and PHMSA Deputy Administrator on 
February 23: Met with local officials, toured the accident site, and 
were briefed by FRA and PHMSA officials on the progress of the agency's 
preliminary on-site investigation.
      The FRA Administrator returned on March 1: While there, 
the Administrator announced targeted inspections, including track 
inspections on routes that carry hazardous materials, which started in 
East Palestine and expanded nationwide. FRA published a summary report 
[https://railroads.fra.dot.gov/elibrary/high-hazard-flammable-train-
route-assessment-legacy-tank-car-focused-inspection-program] of this 
work in January 2024.

    FRA's on-scene response, however, was only the first step in its 
response to that accident, and FRA is instituting appropriate 
enforcement actions to address identified violations of the rail safety 
regulations related to the East Palestine accident.
    NTSB issued its preliminary report on the NS derailment in East 
Palestine, on February 23, 2023. The preliminary report indicated that 
future NTSB investigative activity will focus on the wheelset and 
bearing; tank car design and derailment damage; a review of the 
accident response, including the venting and burning of the vinyl 
chloride; railcar design and maintenance procedures and practices; NS 
use of wayside defect detectors; and NS railcar inspection practices. 
FRA and PHMSA participated in NTSB's East Palestine field hearing June 
22-23, 2023.
    More broadly, FRA has taken numerous safety actions and made 
unprecedented investments in rail infrastructure since the derailment 
in East Palestine, OH, to increase freight rail safety across the 
country. In the year following the derailment, FRA utilized its 
rulemaking authority, drew attention to safety concerns, and undertook 
new, focused efforts to protect workers and communities from harm. 
FRA's actions are aimed not only at addressing safety concerns 
highlighted by the East Palestine accident, but to promote a safer 
national rail network.
    The Secretary called on the freight rail industry and Congress to 
take immediate steps to improve the country's rail safety posture and 
reaffirmed the Department's commitment to enhancing freight rail safety 
through certain FRA actions. In the succeeding year, we have made 
substantial progress on those departmental commitments, moving forward 
on rulemakings and awarding grant funds, undertaking a nationwide 
assessment of high-hazard flammable train routes and a focused 
inspection of tank car phase out, and tasking RSAC to consider braking 
enhancements and industry's use of wayside detectors. In June 2023, FRA 
announced the award of more than $570 million in new Railroad Crossing 
Elimination (RCE) program funding for 63 projects in 32 states, and in 
September 2023, FRA announced the award of more than $1.4 billion in 
Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) 
program funding for 70 projects in 35 states.
    The Secretary also called upon the freight railroad industry to 
take steps to improve safety across the nation, including calling on 
all Class I railroads to join FRA's Confidential Close Call Reporting 
System (C3RS), and all Class I railroads committed to joining. Research 
has shown that this program works to reduce collisions, injuries, and 
deaths because it encourages corrective action. FRA's subject matter 
experts have held a series of meetings with each Class I, the railroad 
unions, and RSAC working group meetings, and Administrator Bose has 
sent letters and talked with the Class I leaders about making good on 
that commitment. C3RS has proven effective on the 27 railroads 
participating prior to this hearing, and FRA continues to work with 
stakeholders to implement this commitment. Following this committee 
hearing, NS and FRA announced a pilot program to begin implementing 
C3RS with some NS employees, and BNSF Railway, the American Train 
Dispatchers Association, and FRA announced a separate pilot program in 
April 2024.
    Additionally, in 2023, FRA issued seven safety advisories, one 
supplemental advisory, and seven safety bulletins addressing critical 
safety items, such as wayside detectors; train makeup and length and 
related operational safety concerns; and extreme weather events.\16\
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    FRA also has begun the process of conducting comprehensive 
assessments of the safety culture, practices, and regulatory compliance 
of each Class I railroad. Although each railroad will be evaluated 
individually and, as necessary, asked to develop corrective actions in 
response to any resulting FRA recommendations, FRA will assess any 
resulting issues, trends, and commonalities across all railroads 
reviewed. FRA intends to complete safety culture assessments of all 
Class I railroads by the end of CY 2024.
    FRA also is engaged in ongoing, multifaceted research on long 
trains, including research focused on the braking capabilities of long 
trains, and human factors related to the safe handling of those trains.
    FRA also is pursuing a broad regulatory agenda with specific 
actions designed to improve rail safety:
      On October 12, 2023, FRA published a final rule requiring 
the use of inward- and outward-facing locomotive image recording 
devices on all lead locomotives in passenger trains.
      On April 9 2024, FRA published a final rule addressing 
Train Crew Size Safety Requirements after consideration of over 13,000 
public comments received in response to the proposed rule. The rule 
establishes safe minimum requirements for the size of train crews 
depending on the type of operation and formalizes the agency's role in 
reviewing and ensuring railroads complete thorough risk assessments 
before using fewer than two persons to crew certain trains.\17\
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      On January 26, 2024, FRA published a final rule requiring 
certain freight trains to be equipped with emergency escape breathing 
apparatus.
      FRA is also in the process of developing final rules on: 
(1) certification of railroad dispatchers and signal employees; and (2) 
clarification of existing training, qualification, and oversight 
requirements for safety-related railroad employees.\18\
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LIST¤tPub=true&agencyCode=&showStage=active&agencyCd=2100&csrf_tok
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    PHMSA continues to support the investigations of the NTSB and FRA, 
has made more than $30 million in funding available through PHMSA's 
Hazardous Materials Grants Program to train first responders and 
strengthen safety programs, and issued four safety advisories last year 
to: (1) encourage the use of steel manway covers; (2) emphasize the 
importance of railroad emergency planning and preparedness; (3) request 
that tank car owners and shippers of flammable liquids voluntarily 
utilize the best available tank car, the DOT-117, as soon as possible; 
\19\ and most recently, (4) encourage the use of real-time train 
consist information in 9-1-1 call centers.\20\ In the most recent 
safety advisory, PHMSA, in coordination with FRA, urges 9-1-1 call 
centers to train on and use technologies that are designed to provide 
critical information to first responders in the event of a rail 
incident.\21\
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    \19\ On August 15, 2016 (81 FR 53935), PHMSA published a regulation 
requiring that DOT-111 tank cars be phased out and replaced with the 
DOT-117 tank car. PHMSA works with the Bureau of Transportation 
Statistics to provide an annual report documenting the industry's 
progress in phasing out the older, DOT-111 tank cars.
    \20\ Safety Advisory Notice for Tank Cars Equipped with Aluminum 
Manway Protective Housing Covers (March 2, 2023) (available at https://
www.phmsa.dot.gov/sites/phmsa.dot.gov/files/2023-
03/PHMSA%20Safety%20Advisory%20-%20Tank%20Car%20Aluminum%20Manway
%20Covers.pdf); Safety Advisory Notice for Railroad Emergency 
Preparedness (March 3, 2023) (available at https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/
sites/phmsa.dot.gov/files/2023-03/PHMSA%20Safety
%20Advisory%20-%20Railroad%20Emergency%20Preparedness.pdf); Safety 
Advisory Notice for DOT-111 Tank Cars in Flammable Liquid Service 
(March 22, 2023) (available at https://hazmat.dot.gov/news/safety-
advisory-notice-dot-111-tank-cars-flammable-liquid-service); and Safety 
Advisory Notice Encouraging the Use of Real-Time Train Consist 
Information in 9-1-1 Call Centers (July 11, 2023) (available at https:/
/hazmat.dot.gov/sites/phmsa.dot.gov/files/2023-07/
PHMSA%20Safety%20Advisory%20Notice%20-%209-1-1%20Call%20Centers.pdf).
    \21\ See, e.g., https://askrail.us/ for additional information on 
the AskRail application.
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    Additionally, on August 14, 2023, FRA and PHMSA sent a joint letter 
to Fusion Center Directors, State Emergency Response Commissioners, and 
Tribal Emergency Response Commissioners throughout the United States 
encouraging the Fusion Centers, state emergency response commissions, 
and tribal emergency response commissions to share information with 
local governments and emergency responders so that they have necessary 
information to develop emergency preparedness plans.
    PHMSA recently published a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking proposing 
specific requirements for railroads to generate real-time train consist 
information and provide that information to State and local first 
responders, emergency response officials and law enforcement personnel 
following an accident, incident, or public health or safety emergency 
involving the rail transportation of hazardous materials.\22\ Comments 
to this proposed rule were due on or before October 27, 2023.\23\ PHMSA 
is in the process of completing comment analysis and developing a final 
rule, which is projected to be published by the end of October 2024.
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    \22\ 88 FR 41541 (June 27, 2023).
    \23\ 88 FR 55430 (Aug. 15, 2023).
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    For its part, when notified of a significant rail incident, FRA 
strives to coordinate with all affected stakeholders, including 
notifying the relevant Congressional offices, as soon as possible.\24\
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    \24\ Please note that when the National Transportation Safety Board 
(NTSB) responds to a rail incident, by statute it is the lead agency, 
and as such, FRA will defer to NTSB on communications with local and 
State officials.
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    Although FRA encourages local and state officials with concerns or 
questions related to rail operations in their jurisdictions to engage 
in direct dialogue with the involved railroads, FRA's Office of 
Government Affairs and Safety Management Teams are available to assist 
as needed. FRA's Office of Government Affairs may be contacted at 
[email protected], and contact information for FRA's Safety Management 
Teams is available at https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/
divisions/regional-offices/safety-management-teams.

    Question 2. What steps can you take to assure railroad employees 
that they will not face discipline for raising safety concerns?
    Answer. When railroad employees raise safety concerns to FRA, at 
the employee's request, FRA keeps that employee's identity 
confidential. When railroad employees raise safety concerns within 
their organizations, they are protected by the whistleblower 
protections of 49 U.S.C. Sec.  20109. That statute, enforced by the 
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), protects railroad 
employees from retaliation for reporting unsafe conditions, safety 
violations or on-the-job injuries, as well as for refusing to work 
under certain unsafe conditions or participating in a safety 
investigation. Although OSHA is statutorily responsible for enforcing 
the protections of 49 U.S.C. Sec.  20109, through a longstanding 
Memorandum of Agreement, FRA and OSHA work together to facilitate 
coordination and cooperation concerning Section 20109's employee 
protection provisions.
    Additionally, as of this hearing, 27 railroads participate in FRA's 
Confidential Close Call Reporting System (C3RS) program, which has 
proven successful in reducing collisions, injuries, and deaths and 
encouraging corrective action. Importantly, when NASA accepts a close 
call report under the C3RS Program, employees are protected from 
disciplinary action, certification revocation, and FRA civil 
enforcement related to that event.

    Question 3. Four months before the Norfolk Southern derailment in 
East Palestine, the railroad erroneously reported the extent of a train 
accident to both the National Response Center and the FRA.
    Question 3.a. What penalties exist when a railroad does this?
    Question 3.b. Do you feel these current penalties are sufficient to 
deter bad behavior?
    Answer to 3.a. & 3.b. Timely and accurate reporting of accidents 
and incidents to the National Response Center (NRC) is essential to 
ensuring FRA physically examines and investigates an accident or 
incident scene before it is cleared. Following the Norfolk Southern 
derailment in East Palestine, I sent a letter to the Chief Executive 
Officer of each of the Class I freight railroads reiterating the types 
of accidents and incidents requiring immediate reporting to the NRC. If 
a railroad makes a late or inaccurate report, FRA may not be able to 
conduct the thorough and comprehensive investigation and analysis of 
the circumstances of an accident or incident to identify safety issues 
and potential solutions to those issues.
    Civil fines are one of several tools FRA uses to secure compliance 
with federal rail safety laws. FRA may impose monetary penalties for 
violations of reporting requirements, and, depending on circumstances, 
may subject the railroad to enhanced scrutiny of its operating and 
reporting practices. The current maximum penalty per violation, even 
for an egregious violation involving hazardous materials and resulting 
in fatalities, is roughly $225,000. This amount fairly could be 
described as a rounding error for a company that reported record annual 
operating income in 2022 of $4.8 billion, and has posted operating 
margins approaching 40%.

    Question 4. In March of 2023, all of the Class I railroads 
announced in an AAR press release that they would voluntarily install 
approximately 1,000 additional hot box detectors and space them out 
every 15 miles on key routes. Some employees at Union Pacific have 
raised concern that inoperative hot box detectors have not been 
prioritized for ``repair without undue delay'' as committed to 10 
months ago. Does having inoperable hot box detectors present a safety 
concern? What ability does FRA have to hold the railroads accountable 
for these commitments?
    Answer. FRA regulations do not require the use of hot box detectors 
(i.e., hot bearing wayside detectors), and as a result, there are no 
Federally-mandated inspection and maintenance standards applicable to 
those detectors. Accordingly, in the wake of the Norfolk Southern (NS) 
derailment in East Palestine, OH, FRA published Safety Advisory 2023-01 
on the evaluation of policies and procedures related to use and 
maintenance of hot bearing wayside detectors.
    Secretary Buttigieg also committed the Department to conducting a 
focused inspection program on routes over which high-hazard flammable 
trains (HHFTs) and other trains carrying large volumes of hazardous 
material travel. (See summary report here [https://
railroads.fra.dot.gov/elibrary/high-hazard-flammable-train-route-
assessment-legacy-tank-car-focused-inspection-program].) Although hot 
box detectors are not regulated, as part of the HHFT assessment, FRA 
inspectors identified a dozen different types of wayside detectors in 
use in the railroad industry (including hot box detectors), amounting 
to more than 2,600 individual wayside detectors on 28 different 
railroads, or approximately 16.6% of the 15,860 detectors installed. 
FRA found approximately 120 detectors with conditions out of compliance 
with the railroad's standards. The conditions identified included both 
minor defects and significant safety critical defects, including loose 
scanner housings, calibration discrepancies, and inverted transducers, 
which would tell the system that a train is moving in the opposite 
direction than it is.
    In addition to field identification and evaluation of detector 
hardware, FRA reviewed issues associated with the use of such 
detectors, including installation, maintenance, and training processes, 
as well as detector health reporting. FRA found that overall there 
appears to be a lack of standardization of installation and maintenance 
practices among railroads and even within individual railroads, as 
installation and maintenance practices often varied depending on 
detector types or who within the railroad organization is responsible 
for installation and maintenance (e.g., signal employees, mechanical 
employees).
    FRA found that generally railroads closely monitored the 
performance of the detector network. This includes oversight and 
monitoring of trending alarms, failed communication issues, and overall 
detector health. FRA found that all Class I railroads operate a 
dedicated wayside detector desk, but the responsibilities of personnel 
staffing that desk and the procedures employed by those personnel vary 
among railroads.
    In addition to the efforts for the HHFT assessment, and recognizing 
that when installed, maintained, and utilized properly, wayside 
detectors, including hot box detectors, can enhance railroad safety, 
FRA tasked the Railroad Safety Advisory Committee (RSAC) to develop 
recommendations related to industry's use of wayside detectors. That 
RSAC task (Task No. 2023-01) is ongoing and the RSAC working group, 
which is made up of railroads, suppliers, and labor organizations, will 
consider not only current railroad processes and procedures, but also 
current industry standards and historical safety data. The task is 
intended to lead to the development of best practices in the use of 
wayside detectors that may include recommendations to update existing 
regulations and guidance, and/or develop new regulations and guidance 
regarding wayside detector equipment and operations.

    Question 5. How many safety waivers and for what purpose, by year, 
for the last five years, have the Class I railroads requested? How many 
of these safety waivers, by year, has the FRA approved, and which ones?
    Answer:
 Indicates Petition for Reconsideration pending under 49 CFR 
Sec. Sec.  211.41(e), 211.59.

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      Incoming Request Date          Docket Number        Petitioner          Description          Decision
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019--26 requested, 23 approved.................................................................................
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1/29/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0003.....  CN................  In train wheelset   Approved with
                                                                           replacement.        Conditions
2/13/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0040.....  BNSF..............  Constant warning    Dismissed
                                                                           time.
3/3/2019........................  FRA-1999-5756.....  CN................  Car-body type       Approved with
                                                                           locomotives that    Conditions
                                                                           are not equipped
                                                                           with a brake
                                                                           valve adjacent to
                                                                           each end exit
                                                                           door.
4/3/2019........................  FRA-2004-17989....  CP................  Blue signal         Approved with
                                                                           protection.         Conditions
4/9/2019........................  FRA-2015-0019.....  NS................  Stop/start rail     Approved with
                                                                           testing.            Conditions
4/10/2019.......................  FRA-2013-0085.....  UP/BNSF...........  Passenger trains    Approved with
                                                                           with failed ATS,    Conditions
                                                                           ATC, or ACS in
                                                                           equipped
                                                                           territory.
4/24/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0066.....  Amtrak............  Tier III, Safety    Approved with
                                                                           appliances, Rock    Conditions
                                                                           Island
                                                                           (exemption).
4/26/2019.......................  FRA-2003-14408....  UP................  Blue signal         Approved with
                                                                           protection.         Conditions
5/22/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0041.....  UP................  Autonomous          Withdrawn
                                                                           testing; track
                                                                           inspection.
6/5/2019........................  FRA-2002-11896....  NS................  RoadRailer Trains  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
6/7/2019........................  FRA-2019-0046.....  NS................  Electronic posting  Approved with
                                                                           of monthly injury/  Conditions
                                                                           illness log.
6/28/2019.......................  FRA-2013-0030.....  UP................  Use of automated    Approved with
                                                                           single car test     Conditions
                                                                           devices.
7/16/2019.......................  FRA-2018-0083.....  BNSF..............  Electronic posting  Approved with
                                                                           of monthly injury/  Conditions
                                                                           illness log.
8/7/2019........................  FRA-2010-0152 &...  Amtrak............  C3RS..............  Approved with
                                  FRA-2012-0054.....                                           Conditions
9/3/2019........................  FRA-2019-0064.....  BNSF..............  In-train wheelset   Approved with
                                                                           replacement         Conditions
                                                                           program.
9/13/2019.......................  FRA-2014-0048.....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
9/19/2019.......................  FRA-2018-0100.....  NS................  Virtual, periodic   Approved with
                                                                           refresher           Conditions
                                                                           training.
10/3/2019.......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  CSX...............  AFM indicator       Approved with
                                                                           calibration.        Conditions
10/14/2019......................  FRA-2014-0124.....  Amtrak............  Tier III Equipment  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
10/24/2019......................  FRA-2007-28340....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
10/28/2019......................  FRA-2019-0089.....  NS................  Hand brake          Approved with
                                                                           locations on 9      Conditions
                                                                           specific flat
                                                                           cars used in MOW
                                                                           service.
10/29/2019......................  FRA-2019-0096.....  Amtrak............  Pre-revenue         Dismissed
                                                                           service
                                                                           acceptance
                                                                           testing.
11/1/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0090.....  NS................  In-train wheelset   Approved with
                                                                           replacement         Conditions
                                                                           program.
12/9/2019.......................  FRA-2019-0105.....  KCS...............  Periodic testing    Approved with
                                                                           on                  Conditions
                                                                           microprocessors.
12/11/2019......................  FRA-2019-0107.....  BNSF..............  Transfer train      Approved with
                                                                           brake test.         Conditions \\
3/24/2021.......................  FRA-2009-0116.....  UP................  Periodic testing    Denied
                                                                           schedules--4 year
                                                                           locking test.
4/20/2021.......................  FRA-2021-0042.....  UP................  Air brake test      Denied
                                                                           simulator
                                                                           training.
5/17/2021.......................  FRA-2010-011......  NS................  Periodic testing    Approved with
                                                                           schedules--4 year   Conditions
                                                                           locking test.
6/11/2021.......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  KCS...............  AFM indicator       Approved with
                                                                           calibration.        Conditions
6/15/2021.......................  FRA-2020-0064.....  BNSF..............  Expansion on        Denied
                                                                           automated track
                                                                           inspection waiver.
7/2/2021........................  FRA-2021-0075.....  UP................  ATC per 236.566...  Dismissed
7/21/2021.......................  FRA-2018-0100.....  NS................  Virtual periodic    Denied
                                                                           refresher
                                                                           training.
8/18/2021.......................  FRA-2018-0049.....  BNSF..............  Expansion of brake  Pending
                                                                           health
                                                                           effectiveness for
                                                                           trains in
                                                                           Colorado and
                                                                           Nebraska.
9/7/2021........................  FRA-2021-0091.....  CN................  High air flow       Denied
                                                                           brakes.
12/15/2021......................  FRA-2016-0018.....  UP................  Extended haul       Expired while
                                                                           trains and wheel    extension request
                                                                           temp detectors.     pending
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2022--28 requested, 9 approved..................................................................................
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1/12/2022.......................  FRA-2019-0003.....  CN................  In-train wheelset   Approved with
                                                                           replacement         Conditions
                                                                           program.
1/29/2022.......................  FRA-2007-28454....  UP................  In-train wheelset   Approved with
                                                                           replacement         Conditions
                                                                           program.
2/18/2022.......................  FRA-2007-28049....  UP................  Locomotives with    Dismissed
                                                                           increased pilot
                                                                           height.
2/24/2022.......................  FRA-2022-0018.....  CP & UP...........  Wheel temperature   Denied
                                                                           detectors.
4/12/2022.......................  FRA-2009-0120.....  CSX...............  Extension for       Pending
                                                                           change in
                                                                           intervals for
                                                                           locking tests.
4/19/2022.......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  BNSF, CSX, KCS....  AFM indicator       Dismissed
                                                                           calibration.
4/29/2022.......................  FRA-2016-0108.....  UP................  Extension of        Pending
                                                                           relief for time
                                                                           to retire ATC and
                                                                           ACS and comply
                                                                           with conditions
                                                                           in FRA-2021-0011.
5/9/2022........................  FRA-2019-0107.....  BNSF..............  Transfer train      Pending
                                                                           test (Houston).
5/20/2022.......................  FRA-2021-0044.....  NS................  Petition for        Pending \\
                                                                           reconsideration
                                                                           of waiver about
                                                                           ATGMS.
6/10/2022.......................  FRA-2007-28700....  KCS...............  Movement of         Approved with
                                                                           freight cars        Conditions
                                                                           received in
                                                                           interchange at
                                                                           border.
6/28/2022.......................  FRA-2020-0087.....  CN................  Resubmission--simu  Approved with
                                                                           lated training.     Conditions
7/1/2022........................  FRA-2022-0067.....  CN................  In-train wheelset   Dismissed
                                                                           replacement
                                                                           program.
7/29/2022.......................  FRA-2011-0052.....  NS................  Non-equipped        Pending
                                                                           engines in cab
                                                                           signal system.
7/29/2022.......................  FRA-2017-0017.....  NS................  Non-equipped        Pending
                                                                           engines in cab
                                                                           signal system.
7/29/2022.......................  FRA-2007-28339....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
7/29/2022.......................  FRA-2001-8697.....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
8/1/2022........................  FRA-2007-28952....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
8/3/2022........................  FRA-2009-0116.....  UP................  Signal locking      Pending
                                                                           tests.
8/15/2022.......................  FRA-2022-0082.....  BNSF..............  Air flow levels in  Pending
                                                                           distributed power
                                                                           trains.
9/1/2022........................  FRA-2011-0071.....  CN................  Signal locking      Pending
                                                                           tests.
10/12/2022......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  CN................  AFM indicator       Pending
                                                                           calibration.
10/31/2022......................  FRA-2009-0074.....  CN................  Hours of service    Approved with
                                                                           (filed jointly      Conditions
                                                                           with SMART and
                                                                           BLET).
11/9/2022.......................  FRA-2010-0145.....  UP................  Securing            Denied
                                                                           unattended
                                                                           freight cars.
11/17/2022......................  FRA-2003-15012....  CN................  Canadian-based      Approved with
                                                                           dispatching of      Conditions
                                                                           two subdivisions.
11/18/2022......................  FRA-2011-0074.....  BNSF..............  Virtual, periodic   Denied
                                                                           refresher
                                                                           training.
12/12/2022......................  FRA-2007-28700....  KCS...............  Border operations.  Pending
12/13/2022......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  UP................  AFM indicator       Pending
                                                                           calibration.
12/28/2022......................  FRA-2017-0084.....  NS................  Railroad Workplace  Denied
                                                                           Safety (Part 214).
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2023--18 requested, 6 approved..................................................................................
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/6/2023........................  FRA-2008-0029.....  NS................  Uncoupling levers   Approved with
                                                                           on Rail Train       Conditions
                                                                           service equipment.
2/24/2023.......................  FRA-2006-25764....  UP................  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
2/28/2023.......................  FRA-2003-15010....  CP................  Canadian-based      Approved with
                                                                           dispatching of      Conditions
                                                                           subdivisions.
3/3/2023........................  FRA-2018-0066.....  BNSF..............  Interval between    Approved with
                                                                           audiometric tests.  Conditions
3/16/2023.......................  FRA-2020-0033.....  BNSF..............  Predeparture        Pending
                                                                           inspection.
3/24/2023.......................  FRA-2007-28812....  BNSF..............  Border operations.  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
4/5/2023........................  FRA-2023-0031.....  Amtrak............  Virtual training..  Pending
4/19/2023.......................  FRA-2006-24812....  BNSF..............  Extended haul       Approved with
                                                                           inspections.        Conditions (in
                                                                                               April 2024)
5/19/2023.......................  FRA-2023-0040.....  Amtrak............  C3RS..............  Approved with
                                                                                               Conditions
6/2/2023........................  FRA-2023-0044.....  UP................  Utility workers...  Dismissed
6/14/2023.......................  FRA-2016-0086.....  BNSF..............  AFM indicator       Pending
                                                                           calibration.
7/13/2023.......................  FRA-2018-0076.....  CN................  Using pedometers    Pending
                                                                           as part of
                                                                           wellness program.
9/5/2023........................  FRA-2011-0074.....  BNSF..............  Reconsideration of  Pending \\
                                                                           virtual air brake
                                                                           training.
10/10/2023......................  FRA-2023-0087.....  UP................  Electronic listing  Pending
                                                                           of injuries and
                                                                           illnesses.
10/13/2023......................  FRA-2015-0036.....  UP................  Extended haul       Pending
                                                                           trains.
10/17/2023......................  FRA-2023-0095.....  Amtrak............  Relief re:          Pending
                                                                           components in
                                                                           path of wheel.
11/9/2023.......................  FRA-2001-8697.....  UP................  Border operations   Clarification
                                  FRA-2007-28339....                       (clarification      Letter
                                  FRA-2007-28952....                       request).
11/13/2023......................  FRA-2023-0096.....  UP................  Disable uncoupling  Pending
                                                                           levers.
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2024--2 requested, 0 approved...................................................................................
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1/12/2024.......................  FRA-2022-0067.....  CN................  Replace non-FRA     Pending
                                                                           condemnable
                                                                           wheelsets.
1/23/2024.......................  FRA-2007-28454....  UP................  In-train wheelset   Pending
                                                                           replacement
                                                                           program.
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     Questions to Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
                 Administration, from Hon. David Rouzer

    Question 1.a. As the FRA has tracked incidents relating to 
substance abuse, which substances are involved in these incidents?
    Question 1.b. What percentage of all incidents attributable to 
substance abuse is directly attributable to marijuana?
    Question 2. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your Administration's purview have resulted in fatalities?
    Question 3. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your Administration's purview have resulted in injuries?
    Question 4. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your Administration's purview have resulted in termination or 
eliminated an applicant for consideration?
    Question 5. Have you collected data for substance abuse and 
transportation incidents and accidents in each state?
    Question 5.a. If so, how do they compare? Do the states that have 
legalized or decriminalized marijuana have a higher rate of injuries 
than states that have not legalized or decriminalized marijuana?
    Question 5.b. If not, will you commit to doing so?
    Answer to 1.a., 1.b., 2., 3., 4., 5., 5.a., & 5.b. FRA post-
accident testing screens for the following substances: alcohol, 
marijuana, cocaine, opioids, amphetamines, PCP, MDMA, barbiturates, and 
benzodiazepines. Generally, FRA post-accident testing positives do not 
reach levels of statistical significance. As such, the accidents are 
episodic and do not lend themselves to trend analyses.
    Since 2000, for post-accident testing, there have been 5,027 
individuals tested with 91 violations resulting from 89 positives and 
two refusals, which yields a 1.8% violation rate. Of those, 42 
violations, or a 0.84% violation rate, included a marijuana positive. 
The overall positive rate of drugs and alcohol combined in random 
testing is generally lower than the post-accident rate annually. In 
2022, the random testing positive rate was 1.07%, while the marijuana-
alone random positive rate in 2022 was 0.35%.
    Substance abuse impairment including marijuana is deterred in the 
railroad industry through the combined elements of the FRA Drug and 
Alcohol regulations (49 CFR part 219) including random testing, 
reasonable suspicion/cause testing, post-accident testing, pre-
employment testing, employee training, manager signs and symptoms 
training, Rule G impairment checks, and peer/self-referral programs. 
These elements work in conjunction, and no one program acts a single 
deterrent to illicit drug use and alcohol misuse.
    As the Class I railroads operate across multiple states and perform 
most of the FRA-regulated random testing, FRA cannot pinpoint the 
location of the vast majority of random tests by state and thus cannot 
calculate positivity by the state in which the test occurred. The 
location of a random test is entered electronically only on the eCCF 
testing form which is used in less than 25% of FRA-regulated random 
tests.

     Questions to Hon. Amit Bose, Administrator, Federal Railroad 
                 Administration, from Hon. Steve Cohen

Railroad Crossing Elimination Program
    Question 1. Administrator Bose, as you mentioned in your testimony, 
the top 5 states with blocked crossing reports in 2022 included Texas, 
Ohio, Illinois, Indiana and Tennessee.
    However, I was disappointed that only one Tennessee project was 
selected in the most recent Railroad Crossing Elimination funding 
announcement.
    Question 1.a. In my district, we have a new and esteemed mayor, 
Paul Young, who just took over at the beginning of the year. How can 
the FRA engage with our new administration to ensure that they have the 
information necessary to apply for this important program?
    Question 1.b. Additionally, when can we expect to see the notice 
funding opportunity for this program for Fiscal Year 2023?
    Answer to 1.a. & 1.b. FRA appreciates the strong interest in the 
Railroad Crossing Elimination (RCE) program and broadening applications 
from your state. FRA anticipates releasing the next RCE Notice of 
Funding Opportunity (NOFO) in spring 2024. Under the FY 2022 RCE 
program, we received requests totaling more than $2 billion, or 
approximately four times the amount of funding available. Because of 
the significant number of applications and funding available, FRA was 
not able to fund every deserving project. FRA encourages the Mayor and 
any other interested parties to reach out to FRA if they would like 
more information. FRA will accommodate meeting requests to provide more 
information on the RCE program. FRA will also release technical 
assistance webinars to clarify the unique eligibilities and required 
elements in the RCE program, and past recorded webinars may be found 
here [https://railroads.fra.dot.gov/rail-network-development/training-
guidance/webinars-0].
Comprehensive Grade Crossing Safety Efforts
    Question 2. I was also interested to learn in your testimony about 
comprehensive efforts undertaken by cities such as Chicago and the 
CREATE program.
    With my district being one of only four cities served by 5 class 1 
railroads in the U.S., how can a CREATE type program benefit our 
intermodal infrastructure?
    Answer. The Chicago Region Environmental and Transportation 
Efficiency (CREATE) Program is a public-private partnership that was 
initiated in 2003 by state and local leaders, in partnership with the 
railroads, to solve the challenging rail congestion and safety issues 
in the Chicago area. The CREATE Program comprises a suite of 70 inter-
related capital infrastructure projects throughout the Chicago region 
with benefits that are both nationally and regionally significant. The 
program has been successful in identifying specific grade crossing and 
related infrastructure needs, and systematically developing each 
project according to the particular design that would provide the most 
effective solution. Due to the immense social and economic benefit this 
program promises, FRA has provided CREATE partners with five grants 
totaling more than $145 million. Communities in Tennessee and around 
the country have a strong model in CREATE. Thanks to the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, FRA has continued to build out agency capacity for 
project delivery and outreach to be a resource for those interested in 
developing a rail infrastructure project.

 Question to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National Transportation 
                 Safety Board, from Hon. Troy E. Nehls

    Question 1. NTSB's mission is to conduct transportation accident 
investigations and make safety improvement recommendations based on the 
findings of those investigations. The Board's investigations are 
factually based, thorough, collaborative, and may include public 
hearings and input. When there is a transportation accident, such as at 
a highway-railroad grade crossing, policy makers often feel the need to 
rapidly, and emotionally, respond through kneejerk legislation before 
all the facts and final recommendations from NTSB are known. What 
potential issues could arise in formulating policy following an 
accident before the NTSB has released its final report on the facts and 
causes?
    Answer. High-profile NTSB investigations certainly result in 
significantly greater calls for policy action than other 
investigations, and the safety issues that lead to such investigations 
are often not immediately identified. When Congress acts with the 
intent of addressing safety deficiencies identified in a specific 
investigation before it that investigation is complete, there is a risk 
of not fully addressing all deficiencies that are cited in NTSB's final 
investigative report. The risk is in missing something or getting 
something wrong. The risk is in acting with incomplete information and 
not addressing our final recommendations which, if acted upon, will 
improve safety.
    That being said, the NTSB's investigative process is explicitly 
designed to ensure urgent safety issues can be addressed before we 
complete an investigation. We have issued numerous critical 
investigative updates, urgent or early safety recommendations, and 
safety alerts over the course of our many investigations when such 
updates are warranted by the facts at hand.
    Although all safety issues specific to any particular incident may 
not be immediately identified, nothing precludes an operator, 
regulator, or Congress from addressing any of the various safety 
recommendations we have already made before a specific investigation is 
completed.
    For example, we currently have over 190 open rail safety 
recommendations.\1\ These include 5 recommendations to the US 
Department of Transportation (DOT), 90 recommendations to the Federal 
Railroad Administration (FRA), and 12 recommendations to the Pipeline 
and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA). There are also 
over 115 recommendations to the FRA that are closed with unacceptable 
action.\2\ Every one of these recommendations could be addressed today, 
and in many cases the appropriate vehicle for addressing them may be 
legislation.
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(nontransit) can be accessed here: https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-main-
public/query-builder/route/?t=published&n=28.
    \2\ A report of all recommendations to the FRA that are classified 
Closed--Unacceptable can be accessed here: https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-
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    The collisions we see in our investigations are tragic because they 
are preventable, and we believe the safety issues we identify in these 
investigations should be acted on swiftly. As I stated during the 
hearing, there is no reason to wait to act on grade-crossing safety or 
any other aspect of rail safety outlined in the NTSB's many unaddressed 
recommendations.

 Questions to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National Transportation 
                  Safety Board, from Hon. David Rouzer

    Question 1. Have you collected data for substance abuse and 
transportation incidents and accidents in each state?
    Answer. The NTSB only investigates select rail accidents, so data 
from NTSB investigations would not be representative or provide 
accurate injury or fatality rates in relation to substance impairment. 
Such data would be better provided by the Federal Railroad 
Administration.

    Question 1.a. If so, how do they compare? Do the states that have 
legalized or decriminalized marijuana have a higher or lower rate of 
injuries than states that have not legalized or decriminalized 
marijuana?
    Answer. Not applicable, as explained above.

    Question 1.b. If not, will you commit to doing so?
    Answer. Collecting such data is more appropriately in the purview 
of the regulator. The NTSB will continue to collect data based on the 
accidents that we investigate.

    Question 2. How many incidents related to substance abuse under the 
Board's purview have resulted in fatalities?
    Answer. As noted above, the NTSB does not have comprehensive data 
in this area. We have, however, published a safety research report 
examining the highway crash risk associated with different drugs and 
the prevalence of their use among drivers.\3\
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    \3\ National Transportation Safety Board. Alcohol, Other Drug, and 
Multiple Drug Use Among Drivers. Safety Research Report SRR-22-02. 
Washington, DC: NTSB, 2022.
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    In addition, in 2020, we released a safety research report 
providing updated information regarding trends in the prevalence of 
over-the-counter, prescription, and illicit drugs identified by 
toxicology testing of flying pilots who died in aviation accidents 
during the years 2013 through 2017.\4\
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    \4\ NTSB. 2013-2017 Update to Drug Use Trends in Aviation. Safety 
Research Report NTSB/SS-20/01. Washington, DC: NTSB, 2020.

    Question 3. How many incidents related to substance abuse under the 
Board's purview have resulted in injuries?
    Answer. See response to number 2, above.

    Question 4. How many incidents related to substance abuse under the 
Board's purview have resulted in termination or eliminated an applicant 
for consideration?
    Answer. The NTSB does not maintain data related to individuals' 
employment.

 Questions to Hon. Jennifer L. Homendy, Chair, National Transportation 
              Safety Board, from Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.

    Question 1. Has train length or makeup been a contributing factor 
in freight rail accidents? Has the NTSB made any recommendations as to 
how railroads should assemble cars carrying hazardous materials on 
trains to prevent accidents?
    Answer. Yes, the NTSB has investigated a number of accidents in 
which train length or makeup was a contributing factor to the accident, 
and we have made related recommendations.
    The following accidents are examples:

Draffin, Kentucky--2/13/20

     A high-hazard flammable train carrying denatured ethanol derailed 
on a CSX track that runs between a hillside and the Russell Fork River 
near Draffin, Kentucky, in 2020. In the 2 weeks before the derailment, 
the area where the derailment occurred received more than 300 percent 
of its normal amount of rainfall, which prompted the mudslide that 
covered the track with mud and debris immediately before the 
derailment. Three leading locomotives, a buffer car, and four tank cars 
located at the front of the train derailed. Two of the derailed tank 
cars breached and released 38,400 gallons of denatured ethanol, which 
combined with diesel fuel from the locomotives and ignited. The 
locomotives were destroyed by the ensuing fire.\5\
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    \5\ National Transportation Safety Board. CSX Transportation 
Derailment with Hazardous Materials Release and Fire, Draffin, 
Kentucky, February 13, 2020. Railroad Investigation Report RIR-22/13. 
Washington, DC: NTSB, 2022.

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Fort Worth, Texas--4/24/19

     A southbound Union Pacific Railroad high-hazard flammable key 
train carrying denatured ethanol derailed in Fort Worth, Texas, in 
2019. The train was 6,122 feet long, weighed 13,230 tons, and consisted 
of three locomotives, two buffer cars, and 96 loaded tank cars. Twenty-
six tank cars derailed and three tank cars were breached, leaking 
65,270 gallons of denatured ethanol. Several cars caught fire. The 
released denatured ethanol ignited, forming pool fires, and some 
product entered a tributary of the Trinity River.\6\
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    \6\ NTSB. Union Pacific Railroad Derailment with Hazardous 
Materials Release and Subsequent Fire, Fort Worth, Texas, April 24, 
2019. Washington, DC: NTSB, 2021.

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Casselton, North Dakota--12/30/13

     A BNSF train carrying grain derailed 13 cars onto an adjacent 
track, where they were then struck by another BNSF train in Casselton, 
North Dakota, in 2013. The striking train derailed two head-end 
locomotives, a buffer car, and 20 cars loaded with crude oil. Following 
the collision, the crew of the oil train narrowly escaped the area 
before the locomotives were destroyed by the eruption of a fire and 
energetic fireballs.\7\
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    \7\ NTSB. BNSF Railway Train Derailment and Subsequent Train 
Collision, Release of Hazardous Materials, and Fire, Casselton, North 
Dakota, December 30, 2013. NTSB/RAB-17/01. Washington, DC: NTSB, 2017.

    Although the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Administration 
(PHMSA) requires buffer cars between train crews and hazardous 
materials, the agency has also issued a regulatory interpretation that 
provides for a much shorter distance between them.
    In 2017, in response to the Casselton accident, we recommended that 
PHMSA evaluate the risks posed to train crews by hazardous materials 
transported by rail, determine the adequate separation distance between 
hazardous materials cars and occupied cars to ensure train crews are 
protected during both normal operations and accident conditions, and 
collaborate with the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) to revise 
the regulations to reflect those findings.\8\ That recommendation is 
currently classified ``Open--Acceptable Response,'' as PHMSA has 
initiated a research project in coordination with the John A. Volpe 
National Transportation Systems Center to address the issue.
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    In the meantime, we recommended that PHMSA withdraw its regulatory 
interpretation and require that all trains have a minimum of five 
buffer cars between any crew-occupied equipment and cars carrying 
hazardous materials, regardless of train length and consist.\9\ PHMSA 
has responded that it does not plan to take this interim action, and 
the recommendation is classified ``Open--Unacceptable Response.''
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    The NTSB believes that the derailments in Casselton and Draffin 
demonstrate the need for PHMSA to implement appropriate separation 
distance requirements. In the Draffin report, we concluded that a 
single buffer car does not provide sufficient separation distance from 
train crews when the head end of a high-hazard flammable train becomes 
involved in a derailment. The NTSB suggests that PHMSA use the 
rulemaking that results from its July 5, 2023, advance notice of 
proposed rulemaking, ``Hazardous Materials: Modernizing Regulations to 
Improve Safety and Efficiency,'' to address these safety 
recommendations. We believe that allowing train crews to continue to 
travel in locomotives that are positioned close to hazardous materials 
tank cars is a safety risk that PHMSA should promptly address.
    As a result of the Fort Worth and Draffin investigations, we also 
recommended that the Association of American Railroads (AAR), the 
American Short Line and Regional Railroad Association (ASLRRA), and the 
Renewable Fuels Association (RFA) develop and adopt guidelines and 
recommended practices for placing the most vulnerable tank cars in 
high-hazard flammable trains, such as unmodified US Department of 
Transportation-111 tank cars, in positions where they are least likely 
to derail or to sustain mechanical damage from the effects of trailing 
tonnage or collision in an accident.\10\ ASLRRA and the RFA have 
implemented the recommendation, but it remains classified ``Open--
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    Sequencing rail cars in a train and controlling train movement 
continue to be areas of interest in NTSB investigations, not only 
regarding the safe placement of hazardous materials but also how these 
operational practices manage in-train forces to reduce the risk of 
derailments and collisions.

    Question 2.a. Prior to the Norfolk Southern derailment in East 
Palestine, did any maintenance worker have any concerns about the wheel 
bearing that ultimately failed?
    Question 2.b. If there were concerns about this bearing, why was 
the train allowed to depart?
    Answer to 2.a. & 2.b. The qualified mechanical inspectors that 
inspected the East Palestine train had no concerns about the wheel 
bearings. There is no evidence of any concerns with the accident 
bearings before the derailment.

    Question 3.a. Is it correct that there are two types of federally-
required train inspections: an inspection by a qualified carman who 
inspects 195 points on each car, and the locomotive crew inspection 
that covers only 12 points depending on how long a car has been in 
service? Which inspection did the cars that derailed in East Palestine 
have?
    Question 3.b. What are some of the things that the shorter 
inspection does not cover?
    Answer. to 3.a. & 3.b. I would respectfully defer to the FRA as to 
the precise number and nature of federally required train inspections 
and as to what is not included in any shorter inspections.
    Regarding the specific inspections performed on the cars that 
derailed in East Palestine, however, the NTSB's ongoing investigation 
has uncovered that the East Palestine train's inspection was done by 
qualified mechanical inspectors at the Terminal Railroad Association of 
St. Louis (TRRA), in Madison, Illinois, when the train was assembled, 
not by Norfolk Southern. The train received a full predeparture 
inspection by qualified mechanical inspectors, as defined by 49 Code of 
Federal Regulations Part 215, as required. The Appendix D inspection 
that you are referring to as a 12-point inspection did not play a role 
in this investigation.

    Question 4. According to a Wall Street Journal article, Norfolk 
Southern's rail yard workers were expected to inspect each rail car in 
one minute so that the trains could leave on schedule.
    Is one minute sufficient time to perform all the needed safety 
checks on a rail car?
    Answer. The NTSB learned about the timed inspections at our 
investigative hearing and this issue is being reviewed as part of our 
safety culture investigation. The transcripts of the hearing are 
available in the public docket and discuss these inspection times.

  Questions to Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
   Association of American Railroads, from Hon. Donald M. Payne, Jr.

    Question 1. On April 6, the Federal Railroad Administration issued 
a safety advisory on recent derailments that urged ``all personnel 
involved in train makeup decisions and operations receive appropriate 
training, guidance, and supervision to effectively execute train makeup 
policies, procedures, and guidelines to ensure safe operations.''
    Question 1.a. What new training are your member railroads providing 
their employees to safely build long trains?
    Question 1.b. Do the railroads have policies in place regarding 
safe train makeup? Are these policies always followed?
    Question 1.c. Are there any consequences if a railroad fails to 
adhere to its own policies?
    Answer to 1.a. through 1.c. Today, train marshaling rules are 
generally incorporated into the computer systems used by railroad 
employees to build trains in rail yards. These computer systems also 
flag any improper placement of cars added to the train on the route so 
they can be addressed in the rail yard. Violations of train makeup 
policies are rare, but they do happen. Railroads focus on identifying 
why a violation occurred and taking steps to ensure they do not happen 
again.
    Like all employers, railroads expect their employees to follow 
applicable railroad policies and safety rules and regulations. They 
provide the appropriate training and re-training to ensure that workers 
know and comply with those policies, including additional training when 
any changes are made to train marshaling policies. Any violation, 
especially of safety rules, can result in consequences for employees. 
As each Class I sets their own employment and training policies, I am 
not able to comment on specific training programs or specific 
consequences associated with failure to adhere to a particular 
railroad's policies.

    Question 2. Trains have been getting longer and longer--two to 
three miles long, and sometimes longer. On April 28 the Federal 
Railroad Administration issued a safety advisory on how long trains can 
block crossings and create braking challenges. One of their 
recommendations was to ``minimize blocked crossings by considering 
train length.''
    How do railroads consider the impact of blocked crossings when 
building trains?
    Answer. In 2023, the average train length was 5,276 feet and the 
median train length was 5,274 feet, meaning half of trains were shorter 
and half longer. That average length is actually down slightly from 
2022. Only one percent of trains, about 74 trains per day nationwide, 
exceeded 13,700 feet.
    Railroads take numerous steps to help ensure the safety and 
functionality of longer trains. Longer trains only operate on those 
routes where the infrastructure can safely handle them. To that end, in 
recent years, railroads have spent tens of millions of dollars to add 
new sidings and lengthen existing sidings on routes used for longer 
trains. The new sidings are all about 10,000 to 20,000 feet long and 
will allow trains of various lengths to safely make way for other 
trains. In addition, railroads use sophisticated modeling tools that 
reliably predict the performance and implications of a change in a 
train's makeup before the train is put into service. They also review 
the characteristics of a route, incorporate lessons learned for the 
most effective operations of trains on that route, and perform 
supervised ``pilot runs.''
    Blocked crossings can have many causes, which is why railroads use 
a variety of ways to try to reduce their prevalence. Railroads always 
try to be good neighbors and minimize negative community impacts in all 
aspects of their operations, including blocked crossings. However, as 
communities near rail lines and rail facilities expand, new roads are 
built and motor vehicle traffic increases. Rail traffic patterns 
change, and new challenges related to grade crossings continuously 
arise. Often, railroads work closely with local officials, operating 
personnel, customers, and other stakeholders to identify where and why 
blocked crossings happen. For example, railroads have partnered with 
federal, state, and local governments to improve information sharing 
and notify motorists and emergency responders when a crossing is 
occupied so they can choose alternate routes. When possible, railroads 
can adopt site-specific operational changes that work for stakeholders 
and reduce blocked crossings, like modifying schedules to minimize 
blockages.
    Railroads don't want a stopped train any more than the broader 
community does, and it's in the best interest of railroads to keep 
trains moving safely and efficiently. Because of the complexity of rail 
operations and the sometimes-competing demands of other stakeholders, 
finding effective solutions often takes significant time and effort. 
Railroads remain committed to working cooperatively with local 
officials and other stakeholders to address these challenges as 
effectively as possible.
    That being said, it's not clear that longer trains are contributing 
to increases in blocked crossings. Crossings are blocked by trains of 
any length, but longer trains could actually reduce the frequency of 
occupied crossings. As train length increases, the number of trains 
moving through a community each day may actually decrease, reducing the 
number of times a crossing is blocked on a daily basis.
    Blocked crossings are not good for the communities in which 
railroads operate, nor are they good for railroads. Railroads will 
continue to work closely with their operational teams, community 
leaders, government partners, first responders, and the public to 
manage and mitigate blocked crossings and any other negative impacts 
across the nation's rail network.

  Questions to Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
       Association of American Railroads, from Hon. David Rouzer

    Question 1. Among your members, how many individuals have started 
the training and onboarding process with an employee but were 
ultimately forced to terminate the training process due to the 
individual's failure to pass a drug test?
    Question 2. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your organization's purview have resulted in fatalities?
    Question 3. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your organization's purview have resulted in injuries?
    Question 4. How many incidents related to substance abuse under 
your organization's purview have resulted in termination or eliminated 
an applicant for consideration?
    Answer to Questions 1 through 4. The Federal Railroad 
Administration (FRA) has strict rules and guidelines for drug testing 
of safety-sensitive railroad workers. Each railroad has specific 
testing programs for pre-employment, post-accident, and random testing 
for safety-sensitive employees. These rules cover all train and engine 
employees, dispatchers, signal employees, and maintenance-of-way 
employees as well as some mechanical employees. AAR and its members 
support these rules and work together with FRA to ensure they are 
followed. We continue to support efforts to expand drug and alcohol 
testing to all safety-sensitive employees, including the 70 percent of 
mechanical employees not currently covered by random testing under FRA 
rules.
    Mandatory drug and alcohol testing does have an impact on the 
hiring process. Based on data from the Class I Railroads, on average 
about four percent of potential new hires fail a pre-employment drug 
test and, therefore, do not complete the onboarding process. That 
number does not include the number of potential new hires who never 
take a drug test because they simply leave an onboarding event after 
learning of the drug test requirement. Those potential hires are not 
tracked by the railroads, but anecdotally, railroads report they lose 
as many as half the potential new hires after advising them a drug test 
is mandatory.
    Directly linking substance abuse to incidents and accidents is 
difficult because of the way accidents are reported to FRA. When an 
accident is reported, FRA does include ``impairment because of drugs or 
alcohol'' as a possible specific cause of an accident, but impairment 
is infrequently cited as the primary cause of an accident. In the last 
five years, FRA reported only one accident as being directly linked to 
alcohol or drug impairment. However, based on FRA data from that same 
timeframe, there were 47 accidents in which employees tested positive 
for drugs and seven accidents in which employees tested positive for 
alcohol after an incident. The data does not indicate how many 
employees tested positive in each incident. FRA has additional, non-
public data on drug and alcohol impairment and could be an additional 
source of information on this issue.

  Questions to Ian Jefferies, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
        Association of American Railroads, from Hon. Steve Cohen

Blocked Crossings in Memphis
    Question 1. Mr. Jefferies, it is my understanding that the most-
reported blocked railroad crossing in Memphis is a line owned by 
Norfolk Southern that crosses McLemore Avenue.
    There were very concerning reports from blockages in 2022 including 
a full day blockage, an incident where pedestrians were observed 
climbing on, over, or through the train cars, and an incident where 
first responders were observed being unable to cross the tracks.
    Can you speak to any efforts that have been taken by Norfolk 
Southern to alleviate blockages at this particular crossing?
    Answer. I cannot speak directly to the operational and other causes 
of a particular blocked crossing, nor to how the railroads involved 
intend to address them. However, I have been made aware that Norfolk 
Southern has briefed your staff on this crossing, and I will help to 
facilitate those ongoing conversations however I can.
Railroad Crossing Repairs
    Question 2. In the state Comptroller's recent audit, they found 
that Tennessee continues to face challenges with railroad companies not 
repairing railroad crossings. The audit found that 16 damaged crossings 
were inspected late, or not re-inspected at all for repairs.
    Can you speak to the challenges railroads are facing in inspecting 
and repairing damaged crossings and how this Committee can support the 
acceleration of these efforts?
    Answer. Generally speaking, railroads do not face major challenges 
with inspecting and repairing damaged crossings. The vast majority of 
crossings along the national network are fully functional and operating 
properly. To be clear, AAR does not set the schedule for when or how 
railroads inspect crossings. Each railroad sets their own schedule for 
inspecting and, if necessary, repairing the surface of any crossing, 
and each state sets their own regulations for how often state and local 
safety inspectors check these crossings.
    Because I do not have direct knowledge of either the issues with 
rail-highway crossings in Tennessee or with the Comptroller's Audit of 
the Department of Transportation, I directed this question to the 
Tennessee Railroad Association. They provided the following response, 
and I would encourage you to continue speaking with them as this 
process continues:

        The Tennessee Comptroller's Audit of the Department of 
        Transportation did not state that there are widespread issues 
        with rail-highway crossings lacking maintenance nor did it 
        state that railroads were negligent in repairing crossings. In 
        fact, according to the TDOT Rail Safety Inspector Department 
        director, in mid-February, there were only eight crossings in 
        Tennessee, out of the 2740 at-grade public crossings statewide, 
        that need maintenance attention. Of those eight, the majority 
        were already scheduled for repair or replacement work in the 
        next 30-60 days.

        The Comptroller Audit finding states that TDOT's Rail Safety 
        Inspector group does not have a formal procedure in place for 
        tracking rail-highway crossing issues (rough crossings) and 
        also found that it did not have an official process for timely 
        follow-up inspections of those crossings after repairs have 
        been reportedly completed.

        The actual language in the audit reads as follows:

        Additionally, our audit scope included follow up on prior audit 
        findings in the following areas:

          Management's inspection procedures to ensure timely 
        repairs of railroad crossing surfaces that inspectors 
        identified as poor as well as follow up on complaints about 
        railroad crossings.

        The policy of all the railroad companies operating in Tennessee 
        is to address any crossing issues reported to them in 30 days 
        or less. The 30-day repair time window is agreeable to both the 
        TDOT rail safety inspectors and to the railroads' engineering 
        departments. A crossing concern may result from an onsite 
        safety inspection by a state inspector or may have been 
        submitted to TDOT by a local official. Regardless of the origin 
        of the complaint, the railroad companies address the crossing 
        issues as quickly as possible once notified by one of the rail 
        inspectors. The timeline for reinspection of any repaired 
        crossings is up to the Department to set.

        Each of the railroad operators in Tennessee appreciate the 
        partnership with the TDOT Rail Safety Inspector group to notify 
        them when a crossing has an issue or is deemed ``rough.'' The 
        railroad companies operate trains over the crossings, which are 
        not impacted by the surface smoothness. The railroad track 
        engineers are often unaware that the condition of the crossing 
        service has deteriorated due to the wear and tear of the 
        vehicles that use the crossings--not just passenger vehicles, 
        but tractor-trailers, garbage trucks, school buses, fire trucks 
        and other heavy model trucks. While the railroads provide 
        regular scheduled crossing repairs, surfacing and replacements 
        on a rotating basis to ensure the crossings are both safe for 
        the trains to operate over and smooth for vehicular traffic to 
        cross, occasionally small repairs and patches are necessary. 
        The partnership with the TDOT rail inspectors is helpful in 
        that regard.

    The rail industry appreciates the Committee's continued focus on 
improving crossing safety. The most important actions you can take to 
continue supporting the work of the railroads and other stakeholders to 
continue that progress is continuing to fund critical programs like the 
Railroad Crossing Elimination Grant Program, the Consolidated Rail 
Infrastructure Safety and Improvements (CRISI) grants, and the Section 
130 state funding. Keeping these programs fully funded--and ensuring 
that the money is getting out the door quickly and efficiently--will 
help achieve our shared goal of making grade crossings safe.

Questions to Hon. Michael J. Smith, Commissioner, Indiana Department of 
                Transportation, from Hon. Troy E. Nehls

    Question 1. As you know, there are multi-modal projects that 
receive funding from more than one modal agency within DOT. For 
example, a project sponsor may use funding from Federal Highway 
Administration (FHWA) programs and funding from the FRA on the same 
project. In these instances, project sponsors may have to delay 
projects because they must restart the National Environmental Policy 
Act (NEPA) process if there are multiple sources of Federal 
transportation funds. What can the FRA and DOT do to streamline the 
NEPA process when a single project is funded through more than one 
modal source of funding?
    Answer. The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) would 
advocate that all federal agencies have a uniform voice and 
interpretation of NEPA requirements. Specifically, the FRA and DOT can 
streamline the NEPA process when a single project is funded through 
more than one modal source by having those modes enter into an 
agreement for each grant with more than one federal financial sponsor. 
The agreement would allow recipients to complete the NEPA processes 
simultaneously. Fortunately, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act 
(IIJA) enables federal agencies to adopt the NEPA document of another 
agency to meet its NEPA requirements and allows such agreements to be 
possible. INDOT hopes to continue working with federal agencies on 
streamlining the NEPA process and ensuring Indiana remains compliant 
and competitive for federal funding opportunities.

    Question 2. While Federal discretionary grants can help address 
pressing transportation investment needs, the process to award grants, 
negotiate grant agreements and obligate funds is lengthy and tedious. 
The delays caused by this process mean critical projects are not 
started quickly--which can lead to cost increases and frustration from 
the public. What can the FRA and DOT do to speed up the discretionary 
grant process and ensure more timely obligation of funds?
    Answer. The discretionary grant process often involves a tremendous 
amount of paperwork, submission points, and differing recipients. This 
becomes tedious, time consuming, and complicated for DOT staff and 
local agencies trying to navigate the discretionary grant process. 
INDOT would support a systematic review of the current process that 
untangles the current unnecessary burdens and streamlines the process 
to remove duplicative or excessive grant hurdles. In doing so, the 
state and local agencies could apply for and deliver projects in a more 
timely manner.
    INDOT would also support increasing formula fund distributions in 
lieu of the multitude of discretionary grant programs. Data-driven 
infrastructure needs, asset management planning, and multimodal goals 
are easier addressed through formula funding. This is especially 
apparent when considering how labor-intensive the discretionary grants 
process is for state and local DOTs.

Questions to Hon. Michael J. Smith, Commissioner, Indiana Department of 
                 Transportation, from Hon. Andre Carson

    Question 1. Commissioner Smith, you've touted Indiana's partial 
success with some federal and state programs to mitigate at-grade 
crossings, but you've acknowledged that much more work needs to be 
done. I haven't received complete lists, but the reports I've seen show 
projects that have passed over Indianapolis, the largest city in the 
state, for smaller cities. As I've mentioned, the problem of blocked 
crossing in Indy is so bad that a local group has a dedicated social 
media site called ``The Damn Train'' where constituents post pictures 
while they sit and wait for trains to clear the tracks. So I'd 
appreciate your thoughts in the time remaining, and then I'd also like 
to get a complete list from you after our hearing of where those 
federal and state funds have gone.
    Answer. NDOT's at-grade crossing elimination program, the Local 
Trax [https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Local-Trax-Flier.pdf] and Railroad 
Crossing Elimination Program, as well as the FRA's Railroad Crossing 
Elimination (RCE) Grant are discretionary grants. INDOT would encourage 
the city of Indianapolis, as well as other communities throughout the 
state, to submit applications for these programs. To the agency's 
knowledge, Indianapolis did not apply for the FRA's grant this year. 
The FRA recently published the list of applications submitted and not 
selected for RCE at FY22 Railroad Crossing Elimination Applicant 
Report.pdf (dot.gov) [https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/fra.dot.gov/
files/2023-07/
FY22%20Railroad%20Crossing%20Elimination%20Applicant%20Report.pdf].
    For INDOT's Local Trax program, Indianapolis' application for a 
grade separation project was incomplete, and therefore the city was 
ineligible for funding. The projects that were originally selected were 
based solely on those that addressed the most immediate safety needs. 
To determine this, INDOT uses the FRA's hazard index to determine the 
highest critical need locations. Awards for INDOT's Local Trax program 
were granted to Terre Haute, Gary, Schererville, Wells County, 
Kosciusko County, Elkhart, Elkhart County, LaPorte, Hobart, Hammond, 
and Wabash. Information on these awards can be found in the linked 
flier [https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Local-Trax-Flier.pdf]. Future 
rounds of the Local Trax program are dependent upon the allocation of 
funds by the Indiana General Assembly.