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                      THE STATE OF TRANSPORTATION

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                                (118-42)

                                HEARING

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                              COMMITTEE ON
                           TRANSPORTATION AND 
                             INFRASTRUCTURE
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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                            JANUARY 17, 2024
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             COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

                     Sam Graves, Missouri, Chairman
                Rick Larsen, Washington, Ranking Member
Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford, Arkansas   Eleanor Holmes Norton,                
Daniel Webster, Florida               District of Columbia
Thomas Massie, Kentucky               Grace F. Napolitano, California
Scott Perry, Pennsylvania             Steve Cohen, Tennessee
Brian Babin, Texas                    John Garamendi, California
Garret Graves, Louisiana              Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr., Georgia
David Rouzer, North Carolina          Andre Carson, Indiana
Mike Bost, Illinois                   Dina Titus, Nevada
Doug LaMalfa, California              Jared Huffman, California
Bruce Westerman, Arkansas             Julia Brownley, California
Brian J. Mast, Florida                Frederica S. Wilson, Florida
Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon,             Donald M. Payne, Jr., New Jersey
  Puerto Rico                         Mark DeSaulnier, California 
Pete Stauber, Minnesota               Salud O. Carbajal, California
Tim Burchett, Tennessee               Greg Stanton, Arizona,              
Dusty Johnson, South Dakota             Vice Ranking Member          
Jefferson Van Drew, New Jersey,       Colin Z. Allred, Texas                      
  Vice Chairman                       Sharice Davids, Kansas                                            
Troy E. Nehls, Texas                  Jesus G. ``Chuy'' Garcia, Illinois                          
Tracey Mann, Kansas                   Chris Pappas, New Hampshire                                  
Burgess Owens, Utah                   Seth Moulton, Massachusetts                              
Rudy Yakym III, Indiana               Jake Auchincloss, Massachusetts                       
Lori Chavez-DeRemer, Oregon           Marilyn Strickland, Washington                           
Thomas H. Kean, Jr., New Jersey       Troy A. Carter, Louisiana                                
Anthony D'Esposito, New York          Patrick Ryan, New York                                        
Eric Burlison, Missouri               Mary Sattler Peltola, Alaska                                                                        
John James, Michigan                  Robert Menendez, New Jersey                                                              
Derrick Van Orden, Wisconsin          Val T. Hoyle, Oregon                                                           
Brandon Williams, New York            Emilia Strong Sykes, Ohio                                                      
Marcus J. Molinaro, New York          Hillary J. Scholten, Michigan                                                                        
Mike Collins, Georgia                 Valerie P. Foushee, North Carolina                                                                  
Mike Ezell, Mississippi                                                    
John S. Duarte, California                                                  
Aaron Bean, Florida                                
Celeste Maloy, Utah                                    
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                                CONTENTS

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Summary of Subject Matter........................................     v

                 STATEMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE

Hon. David Rouzer, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  North Carolina, and a Majority Member, Committee on 
  Transportation and Infrastructure, opening statement...........     1
    Prepared statement...........................................     2
Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Washington, and Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and 
  Infrastructure, opening statement..............................     3
    Prepared statement...........................................     4

                               WITNESSES

Stephen A. Edwards, Chief Executive Officer and Executive 
  Director, Virginia Port Authority, oral statement..............     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    10
Roger Millar, PE, FASCE, FAICP, Secretary, Washington State 
  Department of Transportation, oral statement...................    14
    Prepared statement...........................................    16
Jeffrey G. Tucker, Chief Executive Officer, Tucker Company 
  Worldwide, Inc., on behalf of the Transportation Intermediaries 
  Association, oral statement....................................    19
    Prepared statement...........................................    21
Lauren Benford, Controller, Reiman Corporation, on behalf of the 
  Associated General Contractors of America, oral statement......    26
    Prepared statement...........................................    27

                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Statement of the American Traffic Safety Services Association, 
  Submitted for the Record by Hon. David Rouzer..................     6
Op-ed entitled, ``Don't Pause the Gas Tax, Redirect It,'' by 
  Congressman Jake Auchincloss, Strong Towns, July 25, 2022, 
  Submitted for the Record by Hon. Jake Auchincloss..............    67
Statement of the National Stone, Sand, and Gravel Association, 
  Submitted for the Record by Hon. Sam Graves....................    87
Letter of January 26, 2024, to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and 
  Hon. Rick Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation 
  and Infrastructure, from Catherine Chase, President, Advocates 
  for Highway and Auto Safety, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
  Eleanor Holmes Norton..........................................    90
Statement of the National Association of Small Trucking 
  Companies, Submitted for the Record by Hon. Mike Ezell.........    93

                                APPENDIX

Questions to Stephen A. Edwards, Chief Executive Officer and 
  Executive Director, Virginia Port Authority, from Hon. Mike 
  Ezell..........................................................    95
Questions to Jeffrey G. Tucker, Chief Executive Officer, Tucker 
  Company Worldwide, Inc., on behalf of the Transportation 
  Intermediaries Association, from:
    Hon. Burgess Owens...........................................    95
    Hon. Mike Ezell..............................................    96
Questions to Lauren Benford, Controller, Reiman Corporation, on 
  behalf of the Associated General Contractors of America, from:
    Hon. Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford...............................    97
    Hon. Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon................................    97
    Hon. Tracey Mann.............................................    98
    Hon. Mike Ezell..............................................    98
    Hon. Celeste Maloy...........................................    99

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                            January 12, 2024

    SUMMARY OF SUBJECT MATTER

    TO:      LMembers, Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure
    FROM:  LStaff, Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure
    RE:      LFull Committee Hearing on ``The State of 
Transportation''
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                               I. PURPOSE

    The Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure will 
meet on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, at 10:00 a.m. ET in 2167 
of the Rayburn House Office Building to receive testimony at a 
hearing entitled, ``The State of Transportation.'' The hearing 
will discuss the current state of our Nation's transportation 
infrastructure and supply chain challenges. At the hearing 
Members will receive testimony from the Virginia Port 
Authority, the Washington State Department of Transportation, 
the Transportation Intermediaries Association (TIA), and the 
Associated General Contractors of America (AGC).

                             II. BACKGROUND

    Infrastructure is generally acknowledged as the physical 
facilities that support the transportation, energy, and 
communications sector.\1\ Transportation infrastructure is the 
underlying system of public works designed to facilitate 
movement.\2\ Based on current mobility patterns and 
transportation modes in the United States, this infrastructure 
includes roads, railways, airways, transit systems, waterways, 
and pipelines, as well as facilities such as airports, ports, 
railway stations, bus stations, warehouses, and trucking 
terminals.\3\ These systems are essential to the movement of 
people and goods Nationwide and globally, and play an integral 
role in the United States' economic competitiveness and 
Americans' quality of life.\4\
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    \1\ United States Dep't. of Homeland Sec., Federal Emergency 
Management Agency, Infrastructure, available at https://www.fema.gov/
glossary/infrastructure.
    \2\ Nat'l Geographic Resource Library, Transportation 
Infrastructure, (last accessed Jan. 11, 2024), available at https://
education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/transportation-
infrastructure/.
    \3\ See e.g. DOT, Bureau of Transp. Statistics, Transp. Statistics 
Annual Rep. 2023 (2023), available at https://www.bts.gov/sites/
bts.dot.gov/files/2023-12/TSAR-2023_123023.pdf [hereinafter Transp. 
Statistics Annual Rep. 2023].
    \4\ Id.
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    The United States' transportation system, overseen by the 
United States Department of Transportation (DOT or Department), 
includes 4.2 million miles of public roads, nearly 620,000 
bridges, 3.4 million miles of hazardous liquid and natural gas 
pipelines, 25,000 miles of commercially navigable waterways, 
approximately 137,000 railroad route-miles, and more than 5,200 
public-use airports.\5\ The transportation system also includes 
970 urban and 1,270 rural and Tribal public transit operators, 
and more than 300 ports on the coasts, Great Lakes, and inland 
waterways.\6\ In 2022, the Nation's transportation system 
served 333 million residents, and connected 8.1 million 
businesses with customers, suppliers, and workers.\7\
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    \5\ See id., see also Pipeline Safety: Reviewing Implementation of 
the PIPES Act of 2020 and Examining Future Safety Needs: Hearing Before 
the Subcomm. on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials of the H. 
Comm. on Transp. and Infrastructure, 118th Cong. (2023) (statement of 
Tristan Brown, Deputy Administrator, Pipeline and Hazardous Materials 
Safety Administration) available at https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/sites/
phmsa.dot.gov/files/2023-03/Written
%20Testimony%20-%20Tristan%20Brown%20-%20House%20T%26I%20Hearing%20on
%20Pipeline%20Safety%20-%20March%208%202023.pdf.
    \6\ Id.
    \7\ Transp. Statistics Annual Rep. 2023, supra note 3.
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    Although the state of infrastructure in the United States 
was once unparalleled, more recent reports indicate that 
America no longer ranked with the best infrastructure in the 
world.\8\ For example, in 2019, the World Economic Forum (WEF) 
ranked the United States' physical infrastructure as 13th in 
the world.\9\ Additionally, a Council of Foreign Relations' 
report states that the United States' infrastructure is 
overstretched and lagging behind economic competitors, 
particularly China.\10\ Further, the latest American Society of 
Civil Engineers' (ASCE) report card for American 
infrastructure, issued in 2021, rated the Nation's overall 
infrastructure as a C minus.\11\
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    \8\ James McBride, et. al., The State of U.S. Infrastructure, 
Council of Foreign Relations, (last updated Sept. 20, 2023) available 
at https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/state-us-infrastructure 
[hereinafter The State of U.S. Infrastructure].
    \9\ Klaus Schwab, The World Economic Forum, The Global 
Competitiveness Rep. (2019), available at https://www3.weforum.org/
docs/WEF_TheGlobalCompetitivenessReport2019.pdf.
    \10\ The State of U.S. Infrastructure, supra note 8.
    \11\ Am. Soc. of Civil Engineers, a Comprehensive Assessment of 
America's Infrastructure: 2021 Rep. Card for America's Infrastructure 
available at https://infrastructurereportcard.org/wp-content/uploads/
2020/12/National_IRC_2021-report.pdf. (Please note this report is only 
issued every four years).
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    Ensuring the United States' transportation systems are 
equipped to handle future demand from freight is a challenge 
that must be addressed. In 2021, DOT projected freight activity 
would increase by 50 percent in tonnage and double in value 
from 2020 to 2050.\12\ In 2022, the Nation's freight 
transportation system moved nearly 20 billion tons of goods, 
representing a value of approximately $19 trillion.\13\ 
Therefore, the significance of freight activity has far 
reaching ramifications for the broader $25 trillion United 
States economy, as it relies on the vast network of 
infrastructure.\14\
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    \12\ Press Release, Bureau of Transp. Statistics, Freight Activity 
in the U.S. Expected to Grow Fifty Percent by 2050 (Nov. 22, 2021), 
available at https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/freight-activity-us-expected-
grow-fifty-percent-2050.
    \13\ Transp. Statistics Annual Rep. 2023, supra note 3.
    \14\ The State of U.S. Infrastructure, supra note 8.
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                III. SUPPLY CHAIN AND RECENT CHALLENGES

    The supply chain is a network comprised of the entire 
process of making and selling commercial goods, from the supply 
of materials, manufacture of goods, through their 
transportation, distribution, and sale.\15\ Moving goods is 
critical to the success of this system.\16\ A well-managed 
supply chain results in the efficient use of resources, reduced 
costs, a faster production cycle, and satisfied consumers.\17\
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    \15\ See Jason Fenando, Supply Chain Management (SCM): How It Works 
and Why It Is Important, Investopedia, (July 7, 2022), available at 
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/scm.asp.
    \16\ The Transportation Supply Chain, Supply Chain Drive, (Jan. 17, 
2021), available at https://www.supplychaindive.com/spons/the-
transportation-supply-chain/433934/.
    \17\ See Sean Harapko, How COVID-19 Impacted Supply Chains and What 
Comes Next, EY, (Jan. 6, 2023), available at https://www.ey.com/en_us/
supply-chain/how-covid-19-impacted-
supply-chains-and-what-comes-
next#::text=The%20pandemic%20continues%20to,new
%20challenges%20for%20supply%20chains [hereinafter How COVID-19 
Impacted Supply Chains]; Jack Grimshaw, What is Supply Chain? A 
Definitive Guide, Supply Chain Digital, (May 17, 2020), available at 
https://supplychaindigital.com/supply-chain-2/what-supply-chain-
definitive-guide.
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    In 2022, the total value of United States' foreign trade 
was about $5.31 trillion.\18\ Los Angeles, California is the 
Nation's leading gateway, with the Port of Los Angeles handling 
$310.7 billion in trade flows, including $282.2 billion in 
imports and $28.5 billion in exports, in 2022.\19\ Indicative 
of the high trade volumes between the United States and Mexico, 
on the United States side of the border, Laredo, Texas, was the 
number one land gateway, handling $287.3 billion in 
international freight, in 2022.\20\ Houston, Texas, ranked as 
the Nation's top export gateway, with an export freight value 
of $133 billion.\21\ Recent supply chain shifts have occurred 
and more United States' imports and exports from Middle Eastern 
and Asian countries entered the Nation through east coast 
ports, as a whole, rather than west coast ports in 2022.\22\
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    \18\ Transp. Statistics Annual Rep. 2023, supra note 3 at 3-1.
    \19\ Id.
    \20\ Id. at 3-12.
    \21\ Id.
    \22\ Id. at 3-14.
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    In 2020, COVID-19 exposed vulnerabilities in transportation 
networks, with a disruption in one part of the supply chain 
having a ripple effect across all parts of the supply chain, 
from manufacturers to suppliers and distributors.\23\ 
Weaknesses in the global supply chain were exacerbated by 
supply and demand imbalances, restrictions and regulations, and 
workforce and infrastructure challenges.\24\ New international 
issues are impacting the effectiveness and operation of the 
global supply chain and have accelerated changes in domestic 
and international commerce and passenger flows.\25\
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    \23\ See How COVID-19 Impacted Supply Chains, supra note 27; Peter 
S. Goodman, How the Supply Chain Broke, and Why it Won't Be Fixed 
Anytime Soon, N.Y. Times, (Oct. 21, 2021), available at https://
www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/shortages-supply-chain.html 
[hereinafter How the Supply Chain Broke].
    \24\ See How COVID-19 Impacted Supply Chains, supra note 27; Chuin-
Wei Yap, William Boston, & Alistair MacDonald, Global Supply-Chain 
Problems Escalate, Threatening Economic Recovery, Wall St. J., (Oct. 8, 
2021), available at https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-
car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877.
    \25\ Transp. Statistics Annual Rep. 2023, supra note 3 at v.
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    For example, the Bureau of Transportation Statistics Annual 
Report for 2023 noted that ``world oil markets were disrupted 
by Russia's invasion of Ukraine,'' \26\ which posed a challenge 
to the global supply chain as ``transportation's petroleum 
dependence remained below 90 percent . . . at 89.4 percent in 
2022.'' \27\ In addition, tensions in the Middle East are 
impacting the global supply chain.\28\ Since the beginning of 
the war in Israel, the Houthis, an Iranian backed group in 
Yemen, have attacked naval and commercial shipping targets 
transiting through the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.\29\ The 
area is a critical global shipping route connecting Europe and 
Asia through the Suez Canal, and the impairment of shipping 
operations through the region impacts the global supply chain. 
The United States Navy is leading an international coalition to 
repel Houthi militant attacks through Operation Prosperity 
Guardian.\30\ As threats continue against ships operating in 
the region, major carriers have paused operations through the 
Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, necessitating much longer 
shipping routes and increased container rates.\31\
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    \26\ Id. at 6-4.
    \27\ Id.
    \28\ Advisory: Red Sea Disruptions Continue to Impact Global Supply 
Chains, WeFreight, (Jan. 4, 2024), available at https://wefreight.com/
advisory-red-sea-disruptions-continue-to-impact-
global-supply-chains/
#::text=The%20Red%20Sea%20disruptions%20are,their%20vessels%20in
%20this%20area.
    \29\ Britney Nguyen, Maersk Extends Red Sea Shipping Pause 
Indefinitely Amid Houthi Attacks, Forbes, (Jan. 2, 2024), available at 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/britneynguyen/2024/01/02/maersk-extends-
red-sea-shipping-pause-indefinitely-amid-houthi-attacks/
?sh=5462f0736c66.
    \30\ Release, United States Dep't of Defense, Statement of 
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III on Ensuring Freedom of 
Navigation in the Red Sea, (Dec. 18, 2023), available at https://
www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3621110/statement-from-
secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-on-ensuring-freedom-of-n/.
    \31\ Lori Ann LaRocco, Maersk's Red Sea shipping pause highlights 
challenges for U.S.-led efforts to protect trade, CNBC, (Jan. 2, 2024), 
available at https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/02/maersk-red-sea-pause-
shows-operation-prosperity-guardian-limits.html.
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    Supply chain issues are also affected by increased migrant 
traffic at the Southern border.\32\ In December 2023, United 
States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) suspended rail 
operations for five days in Eagle Pass and El Paso, Texas, two 
of the seven freight rail ports of entry, to redirect personnel 
to respond to increased levels of migrants encounters on the 
Southwest border.\33\ Several organizations urged the 
Administration to reopen the routes.\34\ This created concern 
about its potential impact on both cross-border international 
trade and American consumers.\35\
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    \32\ See e.g. William C. Vantuono, Eagle Pass, El Paso Border 
Crossings Reopened (Updated), Railway Age, (Sept. 26, 2023), available 
at https://www.railwayage.com/freight/class-i/up-eagle-pass-border-
crossing-reopening/; Larry Avila, Rail Border Crossings Reopen at Eagle 
Pass and El Paso, Texas, (Updated Dec. 22, 2023), available at https://
www.supplychaindive.com/news/railroads-urge-customs-to-reopen-eagle-
pass-el-paso-texas-railroad-cross-border-bridges/702865/.
    \33\ Media Release, United States Customs and Border Protection, 
Statement from CBP on Suspension of Rail Operations in Eagle Pass and 
El Paso, Texas, (Dec. 17, 2023), available at https://www.cbp.gov/
newsroom/national-media-release/statement-cbp-suspension-rail-
operations-eagle-pass-and-el-paso; FRA, FRA Rep. to House and Senate 
Appropriations Committees, International Border Passenger and Freight 
Rail Study, (June 2017), available at https://railroads.dot.gov/sites/
fra.dot.gov/files/fra_net/17163/FRA%20-%20International%20Border
%20Passenger%20and%20Freight%20Rail%20Study%20-2017.pdf.
    \34\ See e.g. Cheney Orr, Laura Gottesdiener, & Ted Hesson, Farm, 
Rail companies Urge Reopening of US-Mexico Crossings Shut Over 
Migrants, Reuters, (Dec. 20, 2023), available at https://
www.reuters.com/world/migrant-surge-us-mexico-border-slows-trade-
washington-seeks-
answers-2023-12-20/
#::text=Railroad%20companies%20and%20business%20groups,
redirect%20personnel%22%20to%20process%20migrants.
    \35\ Valerie Gonzalez, Two Railroad Crossings are Temporarily 
Closed in Texas. Will There Be A Significant Impact on Trade?, AP, 
(Dec. 21, 2023), available at https://apnews.com/article/immigration-
rail-crossings-closed-texas-d20973001fa607f228f89059b60159d9.
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       IV. ADDRESSING TRANSPORTATION AND SUPPLY CHAIN CHALLENGES

    Maintaining an efficient and reliable domestic supply chain 
is multi-faceted; however, sustaining the Nation's 
transportation infrastructure is a crucial element. While 
several factors, including trade agreements, tariffs, 
international conflicts, and labor fall outside of the 
Committee's jurisdiction, many challenges fall under this 
Committee's purview. Therefore, the Committee will assess the 
implementation of laws, evaluate executive actions, and propose 
solutions that alleviate challenges facing our Nation's supply 
chain.

INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT (IIJA) (P.L. 117-58)

    On November 15, 2021, President Biden signed IIJA into law, 
representing the largest Federal investment in decades in the 
United States' infrastructure.\36\ This legislation authorized 
and appropriated a combined $1.2 trillion for infrastructure 
programs over the five-year period from fiscal year (FY) 2022 
to FY 2026, to sustain and modernize the Nation's 
infrastructure, including roads, bridges, transit, railroads, 
and airports, as well as energy and broadband.\37\
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    \36\ IIJA, Pub. L. No. 117-58, 135 Stat. 429.
    \37\ Id.
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    Since IIJA's enactment, as of December 17, 2023, DOT has 
indicated it has announced nearly $261.6 billion in IIJA 
formula funding and grant awards to states, local governments, 
transit agencies, airports, ports, and other project 
sponsors.\38\ The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) has 
distributed approximately $185.5 billion under the highway 
program.\39\ Analysis of FHWA data by the American Road & 
Transportation Builders Association (ARTBA) indicates that 
states have used these formula dollars to support more than 
60,000 projects across the country, through September 30, 
2023.\40\ Additionally, the Federal Transit Administration 
(FTA) has distributed approximately $41 billion in transit 
funding, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has 
announced nearly $13 billion in airport funding, and the Office 
of the Secretary (OST) has announced approximately $7.5 billion 
in grants for various programs.\41\
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    \38\ DOT, Investment in Infrastructure and Jobs Act--Financial 
Summary as of Dec. 17, 2023, (last accessed Jan. 8, 2024), available at 
https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2024-01/
BIL_Status_of_Funds_Report_12-17-23.pdf [hereinafter IIJA Funding 
Table].
    \39\ See e.g. FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of Fed.-Aid Highway 
Program (FAHP) Funds for FY 2022, (Dec. 14, 2021), available at https:/
/www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/n4510858/; FHWA, Notice, 
Apportionment of FAHP Funds for FY 2023, (Oct. 3, 2022), available at 
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/n4510870/
n4510870_t1.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of FAHP Funds for FY 2024, 
(Oct. 2, 2023), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/
directives/notices/n4510880.cfm#_ftnref1; FHWA, Notice, Revised 
Apportionment of FY 2022 Hwy. Infrastructure Program Funds for the 
Bridge Formula Program (HIPFBFP) Pursuant to IIJA, (Apr. 8, 2022), 
available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/
n4510867.cfm; DOT, FHWA, Apportionment of FY 2023 HIPFBFP Pursuant to 
IIJA, (Oct. 6, 2022), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/
directives/notices/n4510872.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of FY 2024 
HIPFBFP Pursuant to IIJA (Oct. 2, 2023), available at https://
www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/n4510882.cfm; FHWA, 
Notice, Apportionment of FY 2022 Highway Infrastructure Program Funds 
for the Appalachian Development Highway System (HIPADHS) Pursuant to 
IIJA, (Jan 25, 2022), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/
directives/notices/n4510862.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of FY 2023 
HIPADHS Pursuant to IIJA, (Oct. 6, 2022), available at https://
www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/n4510874.cfm; FHWA, 
Notice, Apportionment of FY 2024 HIPADHS Pursuant to IIJA, (Oct. 2, 
2023), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/
notices/n4510884.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of FY 2022 Hwy. 
Infrastructure Program Funds for the Nat'l Electric Vehicle 
Infrastructure Formula Program (HIPFNEVI) Pursuant to IIJA, (Feb. 10, 
2022), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/
notices/n4510863.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of FY 2023 HIPFNEVI 
Pursuant to IIJA, (Oct. 6, 2022), available at https://
www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/notices/n4510873.cfm; FHWA, 
Notice, Apportionment of FY 2024 HIPFNEVI Pursuant to IIJA, (Oct. 2, 
2023), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/directives/
notices/n4510883.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of Hwy. 
Infrastructure Program Funds Pursuant to the DOT Appropriations Act, 
2022, (May 5, 2022), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/
directives/notices/n4510866.cfm; FHWA, Notice, Apportionment of Hwy. 
Infrastructure Program Funds Pursuant to the DOT Appropriations Act, 
2023, (Feb. 8 2023), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/
directives/notices/n4510878.cfm; DOT, 2023 SS4A Awards, (last updated 
Dec. 18, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/
ss4a/2023-awards.
    \40\ ARTBA, Highway Dashboard, Tracking Infrastructure IIJA Highway 
and Bridge Resources, (last accessed Jan. 8, 2024), available at 
https://www.artba.org/economics/highway-dashboard-iija/.
    \41\ See DOT, FTA, Table 1. FY 2023 FTA Appropriations and 
Apportionments for Grant Programs (Full Year), (Last updated Feb. 6, 
2023), available at https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/apportionments/
table-1-fy-2023-fta-appropriations-and-apportionments-grant-programs-
full; DOT, FTA, Table 1. FY 2022 FTA Appropriations and Apportionments 
for Grant Programs (Full Year), (Last updated May 4, 2022), available 
at https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/apportionments/table-1-fy-2022-
fta-appropriations-and-apportionments-grant-programs-full; DOT, FY 2022 
Mega Grant Awards, (last updated Jan. 30, 2023), available at https://
www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2023-01/
MEGA%20FY%202023%20Combined%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf; DOT, RAISE 2022 Award 
Fact Sheets, (last updated Sept. 20, 2022), available at https://
www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-09/
RAISE%202022%20Award%20Fact
%20Sheets_1.pdf; DOT, RAISE 2023 Award Fact Sheets, (last updated June 
30, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/
files/2023-06/RAISE%202023%20Fact
%20Sheets_2.pdf; Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Funds 
Innovative Projects to Create Safer, More Equitable, Transportation 
Systems, (Mar. 21, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/
briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-funds-innovative-projects-
create-safer-more-equitable; DOT, SS4A 2022 Awards, (last updated Apr. 
19, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/ss4a/
2022-awards; DOT, FHWA, Culvert AOP Program Grant Recipients, (last 
updated Aug. 16, 2023), available at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/
engineering/hydraulics/culverthyd/aquatic/2022recipients.cfm; FAA, 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law--FY 24 Airport Infrastructure Grant (AIG) 
Program Formulation Allocations, (last accessed Jan. 8, 2024), 
available at https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/
FY24_AIG_Allocations.pdf; DOT, 2023 SS4A Awards, (last updated Dec. 18, 
2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/grants/ss4a/2023-
awards.
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    Despite historic levels of investment some concerns exist 
related to the impact of IIJA funds. Recent analysis examined 
IIJA obligations to assess the rate at which the funds are 
``being put to work.'' \42\ For example, the analysis showed 
that while IIJA provided a 31.5 percent increase in new 
contract authority for the mass transit Formula and Bus Grants 
account, new obligations in 2023 for that account were only six 
percent higher than 2021.\43\ The analysis explains the spend 
out rate of these funds as transit agencies using supplemental 
emergency funding provided by Congress, which expire in a 
shorter timeframe, before obligating their regular formula 
funds under IIJA.\44\ Further, the analysis noted that several 
other IIJA programs were progressing slowly.\45\
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    \42\ Jeff Davis, Two Years In, How Quickly is IIJA Funding Being 
Put To Work?, Eno Ctr. for Transp., (Dec. 1, 2023), available at 
https://enotrans.org/article/two-years-in-how-quickly-is-iija-funding-
being-put-to-work/.
    \43\ Id.
    \44\ Id.
    \45\ Id.
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    Additionally, while inflation has moderated overall, after 
spiking in June 2022, inflation within the construction 
industry remains concerning.\46\ Within the construction 
industry, inflation can result in higher costs of construction 
materials and other resources necessary for project completion 
including higher cost of fuel, equipment, technology, labor, 
and transportation.\47\ Notably, highway construction costs had 
risen by 59.3 percent, when compared to the end of 2020.\48\ 
Recently released data indicates that the cost of building 
highways rose 3.8 percent when compared to the previous 
quarter.\49\
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    \46\ See Megan Henny, Inflation Rises by 3.2 Percent, Less than 
Expected, But High Prices Persist, Fox Business, (Nov. 14, 2023), 
available at https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/cpi-inflation-october-
2023; United States Bureau of Labor Stat., Consumer Prices Up 9.1 
Percent Over the Year ended June 2022, Largest Increase in 40 Years, 
(July 18, 2022), available at https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2022/
consumer-prices-up-9-1-percent-over-the-year-ended-june-2022-largest-
increase-in-40-years.htm; United States Bureau of Labor Stat., Consumer 
Price Index Historical Tables for U.S. City Average, (last updated July 
2023), available at https://www.bls.gov/regions/mid-atlantic/data/
consumerpriceindexhistorical_us_table.htm; Jeff Davis, Highway 
Construction Cost Inflation Did Not Slow in 2Q 2023--15.3% Annual Rate, 
Eno Ctr. for Transp., (Dec. 21, 2023), available at https://
enotrans.org/article/highway-construction-cost-inflation-did-not-slow-
in-2q-2023-15-3-annual-rate/.
    \47\ Evan McDowell, How Does Inflation Affect the Construction 
Industry?, Austin Nichols Technical Search, (May 1, 2023), available at 
https://www.austintec.com/
how-inflation-affect-construction-industry/
#::text=Additionally%2C%20raw
%20materials%20such%20as,companies%20who%20order%20from%20them; How 
Does Inflation Affect Construction Industry?, The Constructor, 
available at https://theconstructor.org/construction/inflation-affect-
construction-industry/565090/.
    \48\ Id.
    \49\ Jeff Davis, Highway Construction Cost Inflation Did Not Slow 
in 2Q 2023--15.3% Annual Rate, Eno Ctr. For Transp., (Dec. 21, 2023), 
available at https://enotrans.org/article/highway-construction-cost-
inflation-did-not-slow-in-2q-2023-15-3-annual-rate/.
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OFFICE OF MULTIMODAL FREIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE AND POLICY

    In an effort to tackle additional factors impacting the 
supply chain, Congress implemented several policies, however, 
DOT has not yet executed them all. For example, IIJA directed 
DOT to establish the Office of Multimodal Freight 
Infrastructure and Policy. The Office was formally announced on 
November 27, 2023, and while a Deputy Assistant Secretary is in 
place in the office, the Department has yet to name an 
Assistant Secretary to lead the office, as required by 
IIJA.\50\ Although historic backlogs are no longer the Nation's 
top supply chain concern, challenges remain within the network 
and addressing these issues will allow America to maintain 
economic competitiveness.\51\ The Office of Multimodal Freight 
Infrastructure and Policy will likely play a significant role 
in coordinating the Federal response to future supply chain 
challenges, as well as engage industry and states in addressing 
these issues.\52\
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    \50\ Press Release, DOT, Biden-Harris Administration Announces New 
Freight Office and Major Progress Strengthening Supply Chains, (Nov. 
27, 2023), available at https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/
biden-harris-administration-announces-new-freight-office-and-major-
progressIIJA; Dashboard, supra note 5.
    \51\ Letter from Agriculture Transp. Coalition, et al., to the Hon. 
Pete Buttigieg, Sec'y, DOT (Aug. 30, 2023) (on file with Comm.).
    \52\ Id.
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OCEAN SHIPPING REFORM ACT & OCEAN SHIPPING REFORM IMPLEMENTATION ACT

    In response to supply chain challenges, in June of 2022, 
the Ocean Shipping Reform Act (P.L. 117-146) was signed into 
law.\53\ This legislation provided expanded authorities to the 
Federal Maritime Commission (FMC), which regulates ocean 
shipping, to protect and ensure fairness for United States 
shippers as they engage in international trade.\54\ This 
Congress, the Committee continued its work to address supply 
chain challenges by favorably reporting H.R. 1836, the Ocean 
Shipping Reform Implementation Act, legislation that builds 
upon the authorities in the Ocean Shipping Reform Act.\55\ This 
legislation would limit foreign influence over United States 
supply chains and updates Federal policy governing 
international ocean shipping.\56\
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    \53\ Pub. L. No. 117-146, 136 Stat. 1272.
    \54\ Id.
    \55\ Ocean Shipping Reform Implementation Act, H.R. 1836, 118th 
Cong. (2023).
    \56\ Id.
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                              V. WITNESSES

     LMr. Stephen A. Edwards, Chief Executive Officer 
and Executive Director, Virginia Port Authority
     LMr. Roger Millar, Secretary of Transportation, 
Washington State Department of Transportation
     LMr. Jeffrey G. Tucker, Chief Executive Officer, 
Tucker Company Worldwide, on behalf of Transportation 
Intermediaries Association (TIA)
     LMs. Lauren Benford, Controller, Reiman 
Corporation, on behalf of Associated General Contractors of 
America (AGC)
































                      THE STATE OF TRANSPORTATION

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                      WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 17, 2024

                           House of Representatives,
        Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure,
                                            Washington, DC.
    The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10 a.m., in room 
2167 Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. David Rouzer (a 
majority member of the committee) presiding.
    Mr. Rouzer. The Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure will come to order.
    I ask unanimous consent that the chairman be authorized to 
declare a recess at any time during today's hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    As a reminder, if Members insert a document into the 
record, please also email it to [email protected]. 
Again, that's [email protected].
    Obviously, I am not Sam Graves. The chairman is tied up 
trying to get to DC like so many people are, and so, I have 
been asked to fill in in his stead.
    I now recognize myself for the purposes of an opening 
statement for 5 minutes.

      OPENING STATEMENT OF  HON. DAVID ROUZER  OF NORTH
       CAROLINA, A MAJORITY MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON TRANS-
       PORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

    Mr. Rouzer. We are here today to discuss the state of the 
transportation network and our Nation's ability to effectively 
and efficiently move goods through our supply chain. To achieve 
this goal, we must make targeted investments to improve the 
infrastructure our shippers, truckers, and freighters rely on. 
We have work to do to improve our transportation network, and 
we have a responsibility to ensure that taxpayer funds are 
directed to projects that strengthen this system.
    Despite the clear needs of our system, the administration 
continues to push its green agenda through onerous regulations 
onto the American people instead of focusing its efforts on 
promptly distributing funds to projects that will meaningfully 
improve our roads, bridges, and ports. A recent example of 
these misguided regulations is the Federal Highway 
Administration's latest greenhouse gas emissions rule, 
something Congress expressly left out of the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act.
    However, our infrastructure system is just one factor to 
consider as we assess the state of transportation in the 
country. We also have to examine our supply chain. The pandemic 
previously exposed vulnerabilities in our supply chain, and 
today's global conflicts are presenting new and complex 
challenges we must address, as well. For example, the United 
States Navy is currently leading the international coalition to 
repel Houthi militant attacks that are threatening a critical 
global shipping route in the Red Sea. These threats have forced 
major carriers to opt for longer, more costly shipping routes 
as they pause operations in the area.
    And closer to home, the migrant crisis at our southern 
border has led to repeated closures of rail border crossings. 
As a result, rail operations were suspended, halting the 
movement of critical goods between the United States and Mexico 
in order to process the influx of migrant crossings.
    I look forward to hearing from each of our witnesses today 
about the realities on the ground. The committee stands ready 
to provide dozens--pardon me. We will have dozens of solutions, 
but the committee stands ready to provide solutions. In May of 
last year, we advanced more than a dozen bills targeting supply 
chain challenges. The testimony provided today will give us 
greater insight into what is working and what is not.
    We look forward to working with you to strengthen our 
Nation's transportation network.
    [Mr. Rouzer's prepared statement follows:]

                                 ----------
                                
 Prepared Statement of Hon. David Rouzer, a Representative in Congress 
 from the State of North Carolina, and a Majority Member, Committee on 
                   Transportation and Infrastructure
    We are here today to discuss the state of our transportation 
network and our nation's ability to effectively and efficiently move 
goods through our supply chain.
    To achieve this goal, we must make targeted investments to improve 
the infrastructure our shippers, truckers, and freighters rely on.
    We have work to do to improve our transportation network, and we 
have a responsibility to ensure that taxpayer funds are directed to 
projects that strengthen this system.
    Despite the clear needs of our system, the Administration continues 
to push its green agenda through onerous regulations onto the American 
people instead of focusing its efforts on promptly distributing funds 
to projects that will meaningfully improve our roads, bridges, and 
ports.
    A recent example of these misguided regulations is the Federal 
Highway Administration's latest greenhouse gas emissions rule, 
something Congress expressly left out of the Infrastructure Investment 
and Jobs Act (IIJA).
    However, our infrastructure system is just one factor to consider 
as we assess the state of transportation in the country.
    We also have to examine our supply chain. The pandemic previously 
exposed vulnerabilities in our supply chain, and today's global 
conflicts are presenting new and complex challenges we must address.
    For example, the United States Navy is currently leading the 
international coalition to repel Houthi militant attacks that are 
threatening a critical global shipping route in the Red Sea. These 
threats have forced major carriers to opt for longer, more costly 
shipping routes, as they pause operations in the area.
    And closer to home, the migrant crisis at our southern border has 
led to repeated closures of rail border crossings. As a result, rail 
operations were suspended--halting the movement of critical goods 
between the United States and Mexico in order to process the influx of 
migrant crossings.
    I look forward to hearing from each of our witnesses today about 
the realities on the ground.
    This committee stands ready to provide solutions--in May of last 
year we advanced more than a dozen bills targeting supply chain 
challenges. The testimony provided today will give us greater insight 
into what's working and what's not.
    We look forward to working with you to strengthen our nation's 
transportation network.

    Mr. Rouzer. I now recognize Ranking Member Larsen for an 
opening statement for 5 minutes.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF  HON. RICK LARSEN OF WASH-
          INGTON, RANKING MEMBER, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPOR-
          TATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you, Chair Rouzer, for 
holding this hearing on the state of transportation. And if Sam 
needs to call anyone about getting into DC, I am sure he knows 
someone. It has been a rough, rough time for a lot of travelers 
over the last week, for sure.
    This committee has a great story to tell when it comes to 
transportation, and I am pleased that today's hearing gives us 
a chance to do that. We will find the state of transportation 
is strong, thanks to historic levels of transportation 
investment. Last Congress, this committee answered the calls of 
States, local and Tribal governments, transit agencies, rail, 
airports, and ports to provide a much-needed boost to the 
transportation network.
    Investments from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and the 
Inflation Reduction Act have helped improve the economy and the 
state of transportation. By passing these bills, Congress gave 
the construction industry longer term stability and certainty. 
As Ms. Benford's testimony points out, if Congress had not 
passed the BIL, contractors ``would likely have seen a cut of 
20 to 30 percent in the work they were able to bid on.''
    Congress also gave communities across the country the means 
to take on game-changing projects. In the first years of the 
BIL, U.S. DOT distributed over $262 billion for States, 
localities, transit agencies, railroads, airports, and ports to 
carry out upgrades and priorities, and more is on the way. This 
includes $185 billion in highway funds, $41 billion in transit 
funds, and nearly $13 billion in airport funds.
    BIL funds have already supported over 40,000 projects that 
the U.S. DOT administers, and in the 2 years since enactment, 
States have invested Federal highway dollars into tens of 
thousands of additional projects. And today, there is at least 
one new project in every congressional district, thanks to the 
BIL. Projects across the country mean construction jobs in 
every region of the country, jobs with good wages, benefits, 
and working conditions. The BIL investment also means more jobs 
in transit, trucking, aviation, rail, and maritime sectors.
    The challenge now is to build and maintain a sufficient 
pool of skilled workers to tackle all the project opportunities 
offered by the BIL, and Mr. Millar's testimony from the great 
State of Washington notes that the entire transportation 
industry is facing workforce challenges.
    The BIL includes over $800 million in dedicated funding to 
train workers for in-demand jobs in manufacturing, 
semiconductors, and more. It also includes new flexibility for 
State DOTs to use highway formula funds for apprenticeships, 
pre-apprenticeships, and community college and vocational 
school partnerships. I look forward to learning what more 
Congress can do to support workforce development and training.
    The state of freight transportation is also strong, thanks 
to congressional and administrative actions in response to 
global shocks in the aftermath of the pandemic. The chair 
mentioned the work that this committee has done specifically 
over the last year, and BIL funding is helping, as well, 
helping ports move cargo more efficiently, reduce emissions, 
and compete globally.
    BIL funding is also helping to tackle the biggest surface 
transportation bottlenecks. The passage and implementation of 
the bipartisan Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 2022, which 
originated in this committee, thanks to Mr. Johnson and Mr. 
Garamendi, has also helped to support a stronger supply chain.
    As we will hear in Mr. Edwards' testimony today, the 
international supply chain normalized in 2023. Shipping 
container rates have fallen, port congestion has eased, shipper 
complaints have received quicker action and positive outcomes, 
and the Federal Maritime Commission has enhanced fee fairness 
and transparency. These reforms mean that when new 
international challenges arise and strain the global and 
domestic supply chain, the U.S. will be better prepared to 
react.
    So, today's hearing is a welcome review of how well 
infrastructure investments are working. But keeping our 
transportation systems in good repair, resilient, and ready for 
the future freight and passenger demand will require an ongoing 
investment. Reliable and robust investment in infrastructure is 
key to the long-term success and sustainability of our 
transportation systems and supply chain networks for decades to 
come, and I am committed to working with the chair of the full 
committee--and even his substitute here today--to ensure this 
committee continues to provide the necessary resources to 
support the economy, the traveling public, and America's 
transportation workers.
    And I want to thank the witnesses for being here today to 
help us out.
    [Mr. Larsen of Washington's prepared statement follows:]

                                 ----------
                                 
 Prepared Statement of Hon. Rick Larsen of Washington, Ranking Member, 
             Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
             
    Thank you, Chairman Rouzer, for holding this hearing on ``The State 
of Transportation.''
    This Committee has a great story to tell when it comes to 
transportation. I am pleased that at today's hearing, we will find that 
the state of transportation is strong, thanks to historic levels of 
infrastructure investment.
    Last Congress, this Committee answered the call of states, local 
and Tribal governments, transit agencies, railroads, airports and ports 
to provide a much-needed boost to transportation networks.
    Investments from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) and the 
Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) have helped improve the economy and the 
state of transportation.
    By passing these bills, Congress gave the construction industry 
longer-term stability and certainty. As Ms. Benford's testimony points 
out, if Congress had not passed the BIL, contractors ``would likely 
have seen a cut of 20-30 percent in the work they were able to bid 
on.''
    Congress also gave communities across the country the means to take 
on game-changing projects. In the first two years of the BIL, U.S. DOT 
distributed over $262 billion for states, localities, transit agencies, 
railroads, airports and ports to carry out upgrades and priorities--and 
more is on the way. This includes $185 billion in highway funds, $41 
billion in transit funds, and nearly $13 billion in airport funds.
    BIL funds have already supported over 40,000 projects administered 
by U.S. DOT. In the two years since enactment, states have invested 
federal highway dollars into tens of thousands of additional projects.
    Today, there is at least one new project in every Congressional 
district thanks to the BIL.
    Projects across the country means construction jobs in every region 
of the country--jobs with good wages, benefits, and working conditions. 
BIL investment also means more jobs in the transit, trucking, aviation, 
rail and maritime sectors.
    The challenge now is to build and maintain a sufficient pool of 
skilled workers to tackle all the project opportunities offered by the 
BIL. Mr. Millar's testimony, from the great State of Washington, notes 
that the entire transportation industry is facing workforce challenges.
    The BIL includes over $800 million in dedicated funding to train 
workers for in-demand jobs in manufacturing, semiconductors and more.
    It also includes new flexibility for state DOTs to use highway 
formula funds for apprenticeships, pre-apprenticeships, and community 
college and vocational school partnerships. I look forward to learning 
what more Congress can do to support workforce development and 
training.
    The state of freight transportation is also strong thanks to 
Congressional and Administrative actions in response to global shocks 
in the aftermath of the pandemic. The Chairman mentioned the work that 
this Committee has done specifically over the last year and BIL funding 
is helping as well.
    Funding is helping ports move cargo more efficiently, reduce 
emissions and better compete globally. BIL funding is also helping 
tackle the biggest surface transportation bottlenecks.
    The passage and implementation of the Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 
2022 (OSRA), which originated in this Committee thanks to Mr. Johnson 
and Mr. Garamendi, has helped support a stronger supply chain.
    As we will hear in Mr. Edwards' testimony today, the international 
supply chain normalized in 2023. Shipping container rates have fallen, 
port congestion has eased, shipper complaints have received quicker 
action and positive outcomes, and the Federal Maritime Commission has 
enhanced fee fairness and transparency.
    These reforms mean that when new international challenges arise and 
strain the global and domestic supply chain, the U.S. will be better 
prepared to react.
    Today's hearing is a welcome review of how well infrastructure 
investments are working.
    But keeping our transportation systems in good repair, resilient, 
and ready for future freight and passenger demand will require ongoing 
investment.
    Reliable and robust investment in infrastructure is key to the 
long-term success and sustainability of our transportation systems and 
supply chain networks for decades to come.
    I am committed to working with Chairman Graves to ensure this 
Committee continues to provide the necessary resources to support the 
economy, the traveling public, and America's transportation workers.
    Thank you to our witnesses for being here today to help us out.

    Mr. Larsen of Washington. And, Mr. Chair, before we get 
started, if I could just ask an indulgence to do a quick 
introduction of Mr. Millar.
    Mr. Rouzer. So ordered.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you. We are going to hear 
from the secretary of transportation of the Washington State 
Department of Transportation, Roger Millar, who is here today, 
despite our own State legislature just having opened up their 
session. So, he has probably got time to testify, answer 
questions, and get the heck out of Dodge, get back home.
    But he was our deputy secretary in 2015 and appointed 
secretary in August of 2016. He oversees an agency that is the 
steward of a complex, multimodal transportation system and 
responsible for ensuring that people and goods move safely and 
efficiently.
    I won't go into his full biography, but he has been active 
in groups that are very familiar to us, including being the 
past president of AASHTO, he serves on the board of directors 
there, as well as is actively involved in a variety of 
engineering groups, intelligent transportation system groups, 
as well as a variety of other infrastructure.
    So, it is great to have Roger here in town for the few 
moments he could spare with us to help us out.
    So, with that, I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. I thank the gentleman.
    I ask unanimous consent to enter into the record a letter 
from the American Traffic Safety Services Association dated 
January 17, 2024.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    [The information follows:]

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    Statement of the American Traffic Safety Services Association, 
             Submitted for the Record by Hon. David Rouzer
             
    The American Traffic Safety Services Association (ATSSA) 
appreciates the opportunity to submit this Statement for the Record to 
the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure (Committee) 
regarding the hearing entitled ``The State of Transportation.''
    Given the important role that the Infrastructure Investment and 
Jobs Act (IIJA) has in meeting this nation's transportation investment 
needs, the Committee is to be commended for providing the necessary 
oversight of its implementation.
    Incorporated in 1970, ATSSA is an international trade association 
with more than 1,500 members who are focused on advancing roadway 
safety. ATSSA members manufacture, distribute, and install roadway 
safety infrastructure devices such as guardrail and cable barrier, 
traffic signs and signals, pavement markings and high friction surface 
treatments, and work zone safety devices, among many others. As a 
leader in roadway safety infrastructure, ATSSA was the first non-
governmental organization to adopt a Towards Zero Deaths vision and 
ATSSA members are committed to making zero fatalities a reality 
nationwide.
    ATSSA members are grateful to Congress for the emphasis on safety 
in the IIJA. For example, the IIJA funds the Highway Safety Improvement 
Program (HSIP) at $16.8 billion over five years, which represents an 
important and much-needed increase over prior authorization 
legislation. The HSIP provides dedicated funding to help state DOTs and 
local governments meet today's roadway infrastructure safety needs, be 
proactive in preventing future roadway hazards, and reduce highway 
fatalities and injuries.
    But just as important as IIJA federal funding is for meeting 
roadway safety needs across the country and reducing traffic 
fatalities, the implementation of many IIJA policy provisions can be 
just as impactful. One policy area that continues to cause great 
concern to ATSSA members is the new Build America, Buy America (BABA) 
requirements.
    The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) has issued final guidance 
related to the updated BABA provisions of the IIJA. This new guidance 
went into effect on October 23rd and since that time, there has been 
considerable confusion across the country on how this guidance will be 
implemented by state departments of transportation (state DOTs).
    After the effective date of the OMB final guidance, ATSSA has heard 
from our members in various states about the lack of clarity and 
consistency in how state DOTs will implement new BABA requirements. The 
lack of uniformity across states is not only creating considerable 
confusion but is leading to a fear that the BABA implementation will 
result in different requirements and certification processes for all 50 
states.
    OMB clearly anticipated the possible need for further Federal 
agency implementation guidance and information, stating in the August 
23rd Federal Register Guidance for Grant Agreements that: ``It is not 
possible for OMB to issue comprehensive guidance on every issue that 
may arise for different Federal agencies in the context of directly 
implementing their own unique Federal financial assistance programs . . 
.''.\1\
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    The OMB guidance goes on further to say: Federal agencies, in 
directly implementing BABA, may issue further guidance and provide 
further information to their recipients and other stakeholders on their 
own Federal financial assistance programs for infrastructure.\2\
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    Given the impact of this final OMB guidance on ATSSA members, we 
continue to ask that the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) 
provide the critically necessary clarity to minimize disruptions and 
address concerns being raised across the country. This additional 
clarity would not only benefit ATSSA members but state DOTs and other 
transportation industry stakeholders.
    ATSSA members are responsible for manufacturing and installing 
critical, life-saving infrastructure on our nation's roadways and they 
work hard every day to improve roadway safety. By USDOT not yet 
providing this additional guidance related to the implementation of the 
BABA provisions, there could be unnecessary delays, cancellations, or 
increased costs on roadway infrastructure projects--a result that no 
one wants to see.
    With the construction season fast approaching in all parts of the 
country, it is important that every effort be made to assist state DOTs 
and the transportation industry in meeting the compliance requirements 
of the BABA provisions. We are currently at a critical time in the 
manufacturing process when inventory is stockpiled in preparation for 
hundreds of infrastructure projects being planned in every state. 
However, the lack of consistency among state DOTs on implementation of 
the BABA provisions could lead manufacturers to delay producing 
critical products because of uncertainty related to product approval 
and inclusion on various state Approved Products Lists. This 
uncertainty for manufacturers could lead to additional product 
shortages and could impact important lifesaving roadway safety 
infrastructure projects.
    ATSSA recognizes the importance that this Committee places on 
safety--both for users of the transportation system and the 
construction workers who make our roadways safer every day. As this 
Committee continues its oversight of the IIJA, ATSSA members ask for 
your assistance in ensuring the necessary BABA information and clarity 
is made available. ATSSA stands ready to assist our partners in 
Congress, USDOT and elsewhere in this important task.

    Mr. Rouzer. I would like to thank our witnesses for being 
here today. We are looking very much forward to your testimony.
    Briefly, I would like to take a moment to explain our 
lighting system to you. I think you know it pretty well, but 
there are three lights, obviously. Green means go, yellow means 
your time is coming to an end, and then red means wrap up just 
as quickly as you possibly can.
    I ask unanimous consent that the witnesses' full statements 
be included in the record.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the record of today's 
hearing remain open until such time as our witnesses have 
provided answers to any questions that may be submitted to them 
in writing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the record remain open 
for 15 days for additional comments and information submitted 
by Members or witnesses to be included in the record of today's 
hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    As your written testimony has been made part of the record, 
the committee asks that each of you keep your oral remarks to 5 
minutes, if possible.
    With that, Mr. Stephen Edwards, CEO and executive director 
of the Virginia Port Authority, you are recognized for up to 5 
minutes.
    If you can, turn your microphone on and maybe bring it 
closer to you, as well.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you so much.

     TESTIMONY OF STEPHEN A. EDWARDS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF-
      FICER  AND  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  VIRGINIA  PORT AU-
      THORITY; ROGER MILLAR, PE, FASCE, FAICP, SECRETARY,
      WASHINGTON   STATE  DEPARTMENT  OF  TRANSPORTATION; 
      JEFFREY G. TUCKER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER,  TUCKER
      COMPANY WORLDWIDE,  INC.,  ON BEHALF OF  THE TRANS-
      PORTATION  INTERMEDIARIES  ASSOCIATION;  AND LAUREN
      BENFORD,  CONTROLLER,  REIMAN  CORPORATION,  ON BE-
      HALF  OF  THE  ASSOCIATED  GENERAL  CONTRACTORS  OF
      AMERICA

     TESTIMONY OF STEPHEN A. EDWARDS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF-
      FICER  AND  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  VIRGINIA  PORT AU-
      THORITY

    Mr. Edwards. So, thank you, Chairman Rouzer, Ranking Member 
Larsen, and distinguished members of the House Transportation 
and Infrastructure Committee, for inviting me to participate in 
today's hearing. My name is Stephen Edwards and, as mentioned, 
I am the CEO and executive director of the Virginia Port 
Authority.
    The port authority operates five marine terminals and one 
inland rail port. We are the third largest container port on 
the east coast. As an operating port, we have the 
responsibilities of a port authority and a marine terminal 
operator; we manage asset procurement and maintenance and 
technology systems; and we operate the Hampton Roads Intermodal 
Chassis Pool.
    The Port of Virginia's tagline is ``America's Most Modern 
Gateway,'' and we are proud of our ranking as the highest 
performing major North American container port in both 2021 and 
2022, at a time of stress in supply chains. During this period, 
we were the fastest growing major American port in 2021, and 
over the 2-year period, second behind Houston.
    Presently, I have responsibility for a $1.4 billion gateway 
investment program, including deepening and widening channels 
in partnership with the Army Corps, expansion of semi-automated 
container capacity, berth strengthening, increased crane 
capability, advanced rail, and an offshore wind hub. And this 
is coupled with a State investment of circa $5 billion of 
capital improvements in tunnels, roads, and private-sector 
investment in logistics parks. In totality, we really take the 
view of sea buoy to last-mile delivery, and from farm to ocean.
    As a port, as the largest east coast rail hub, we service 
all of the Ohio Valley and Midwest States and further west, and 
our truck market largely services Virginia, North Carolina, 
Maryland, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. This month, we 
announced that the port is powering our electricity needs with 
100 percent clean power.
    If I turn to the supply chain and performance, it has been 
well documented that the international supply chain experienced 
stress in 2021 and 2022, which impacted gateways to differing 
degrees, and in certain ports, harmed exporters. The Port of 
Virginia was pleased to operate to a high level in this period. 
Our operating model was capable to deliver good service and 
adjust to many challenges.
    Overall, the international intermodal supply chain 
normalized across the Nation in 2023. Dwell times for cargo 
reduced, resulting in lower yard utilizations, greater chassis 
availability, and now the opportunity to invest in capacity 
expansion within facilities, and international freight rates 
have reduced to close to pre-pandemic levels.
    Over the course of the last 5 years, the higher growth 
market for east coast ports have been the Indian subcontinent, 
Middle East, and Southeast Asia, while Northeast Asia remains 
the largest trade lane by volume. These markets are served by 
the largest ships in the world, and this means improved 
navigation channels required stronger berths, crane capability, 
and modern operating ports. The work this committee is doing to 
pass the Water Resources Development Act this year is essential 
to maintaining U.S. port competitiveness, including a needed 
project modification for Norfolk Harbor and channels.
    If I can turn to the international challenges of today, the 
Panama Canal first is experiencing a severe drought which has 
restricted vessel transits. Today, the acute need for transit 
means vessels must make their reserved slots, and port 
operators need to ensure vessels to pass on time. The canal is 
presently transiting 22 to 24 vessels per day, compared to a 
normal 36 to 40. Vessel delays differ by operator. The largest 
container vessel users of the canal who historically reserved 
slots may not be delayed, but others are experiencing severe 
delay or are paying much higher transit fees to secure their 
slots. Water levels historically do not rise until June. 
Fortunately, better than expected November rainfall has not 
required the Panama Canal to further reduce.
    If I turn to the Red Sea, the recent attacks on merchant 
shipping in the Red Sea has resulted in most container vessels 
diverting to routes around Africa. Initially, this has 
disrupted schedules for Asia-North Europe, Asia-Mediterranean, 
and Asia-east coast services. The other impact has been a delay 
in return of container supply to Asia, which has in part 
contributed to supply constraints and an increase in freight 
rates on all trade lanes from Asia.
    Fuel prices have not increased. This is important because 
as the shipping lines plan for around Africa voyages, the 
increased vessel and fuel costs can be offset by the decrease 
in Suez Canal fees. This is particularly true for Southeast 
Asia to U.S. east coast services. It is not the same for Asia 
to North Europe or Asia to the Mediterranean, where deviation 
and the European Union Emissions Trading System increases 
voyage costs on longer voyages.
    What must be remembered is that vessels need to be sourced 
and positioned to fill in weekly schedules. This, along with 
increased at-sea time for container box fleets, tightens the 
supply side of assets. This tightening of supply may be felt 
across global trade lanes as vessels and containers are 
repositioned to where they are most needed.
    Finally, protecting freedom of navigation in all waters is 
a requirement of free and fair global trade. On behalf of the 
Port of Virginia and my colleagues, I recognize the 
extraordinary service of our men and women in the military who 
are active in the Red Sea, many of whom are, of course, 
deployed from our port.
    Thank you, and I would be glad to answer questions the 
committee may have.
    [Mr. Edwards' prepared statement follows:]

                                 ----------
                                 
 Prepared Statement of Stephen A. Edwards, Chief Executive Officer and 
              Executive Director, Virginia Port Authority
              
                               Background
                               
    Thank you, Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and 
distinguished members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure 
Committee for inviting me to participate in today's hearing. My name is 
Stephen Edwards, and I am the CEO and Executive Director of the 
Virginia Port Authority.
    The Virginia Port Authority (VPA) is a political subdivision of the 
Commonwealth of Virginia. The VPA operates five marine terminals and 
one inland rail port. We are the third largest container port on the 
East Coast. As an operating port we have the responsibilities of a port 
authority and a marine terminal operator; we manage asset procurement 
and maintenance and technology systems; and we operate the Hampton 
Roads Chassis Pool--a best in class intermodal marine chassis fleet.
    The Port of Virginia's tag line is ``America's Most Modern 
Gateway''. We are proud of our ranking as the highest performing major 
North American container port in both 2021 and 2022 \1\ at a time of 
stress in supply chains. During this period we were the fastest growing 
American container port in 2021, and over the two year period, second 
behind Houston.
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    \1\ World Bank: Ports greater than 1 million TEU
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    Presently we have responsibility for a $1.4 billion gateway 
investment program. This program includes deepening and widening 
channels (in partnership with the Army Corp of Engineers), expansion of 
our semi-automated container capacity, berth strengthening, increased 
crane capability, advanced rail, and an offshore wind hub. This is 
coupled with a regional $5 billion capital investment in improved 
tunnels and major roads and significant private sector investment in 
logistics parks. In totality, these investments extend from sea buoy to 
last mile delivery and from farm to ocean.
    The port is the largest East Coast rail hub and serves cargoes to 
and from Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee and 
markets further West. Our truck market largely serves Virginia, North 
Carolina, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.
    This month we announced that the port is powering our electricity 
needs with 100% clean power.

                        Supply Chain Performance
                        
    It has been well documented that the international supply chain 
experienced stress in 2021 and 2022. There were many causes by example, 
overseas zero COVID policy impacting factory production, just in case 
vs just in time delivery to overcome production risk, but most notably 
the surge in domestic goods consumption resulting in high import 
levels, longer cargo dwell times and staging into warehousing and rail 
facilities, which impacted gateways to differing degrees and in certain 
ports harmed exporters.
    The Port of Virginia was pleased to operate to a high level in this 
period. Our operating model was capable to deliver good service metrics 
and adjust to the many challenges.

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    Overall the international intermodal supply chain normalized across 
the nation in 2023. Dwell times for cargo reduced, resulting in lower 
yard utilizations, greater chassis availability, and the opportunity to 
invest in capacity expansion within facilities, and international 
freight rates have returned to close to pre-pandemic levels.

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    Over the course of the last five years the higher growth markets 
for East Coast ports by trade lane are the Indian Sub-Continent/Middle 
East and South East Asia while North East Asia remains the largest 
trade lane by volume. These markets are served via the largest ships 
presently calling the East Coast at 16,000TEU+ and reflect the need for 
ultra large container vessel capability. This means improved navigation 
channels, stronger berths, increased crane capability, and modern 
operating terminals. The work this committee is doing to pass the Water 
Resources Development Act this year is essential to maintaining US port 
competitiveness, including a needed project modification for Norfolk 
Harbor and Channels.

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                                                                                               2022 vs   2023 vs
         USEC Volume (Loaded TEUs, Millions)           2019    2020    2021    2022    2023     2020      2019
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NORTH EAST ASIA.....................................    5.35    5.32    5.83    5.82    5.02      9.3%     -6.2%
NORTH EUROPE........................................    2.76    2.54    2.83    2.82    2.53     11.3%     -8.2%
SOUTH EAST ASIA.....................................    2.07    2.29    2.52    2.69    2.58    817.9%    24.4%0
CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AMERICA.........................    2.25    2.14    2.37    2.26    2.03      5.8%     -9.8%
INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT / MIDDLE EAST..................    1.69    1.57    2.03    2.16    1.99    837.8%    18.0%0
MEDITERRANEAN.......................................    1.65    1.65    1.93    1.93    1.65     16.9%     -0.1%
SOUTH AMERICA.......................................    1.27    1.26    1.40    1.39    1.23     10.7%     -3.2%
AFRICA..............................................    0.35    0.31    0.37    0.34    0.32      9.3%     -7.0%
AUSTRALIA / NEW ZEALAND.............................    0.18    0.17    0.19    0.22    0.19     30.3%      7.5%
GREENLAND...........................................    0.03    0.03    0.05    0.03    0.02    -21.9%    -35.6%
                                                     -----------------------------------------------------------
  Grand Total.......................................    17.6    17.3    19.5    19.7    17.6     13.8%     -0.2%
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Source: S&P Global, MP2 (calendar 2023 includes uncertified December exports).

                              Panama Canal
                              
    The Panama Canal is experiencing a severe drought which has 
restricted vessel transits. Today the acute need for transit means 
vessels must make their reserved slots, and port operators need to 
ensure vessels depart on time.
    The canal is presently transiting 22 to 24 vessels per day compared 
to a normal 36 to 40. The majority of vessels diverted away from the 
canal are in the bulk and commodity trades where reservations are not 
possible due to the nature of the trade.
    Vessel delays by operator differ, I understand the largest 
container vessel users of the canal who historically reserve slots are 
not significantly delayed while others are delayed or paying much 
higher transit fees.
    Water levels historically do not begin to rise until June, but 
better than expected November rainfall and water-saving measures has 
allowed the Panama Canal Authority to cancel the need to further reduce 
transits.
    Ocean carriers have adjusted their service patterns which has 
resulted in improved global connectivity from The Port of Virginia.

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                                Red Sea
                                
    The recent attacks on merchant shipping in the Red Sea has resulted 
in most container vessels diverting to route around Africa.
    Initially this has disrupted schedules for Asia-North Europe, Asia-
Mediterranean, and Asia-USEC services. This initial disruption has 
included the need for fueling in South Africa, discharge of 
Mediterranean cargoes in western vs eastern Mediterranean ports for 
transshipment, and overall longer transits. The other impact has been a 
delay in return of container supply to Asia which has in part 
contributed to supply constraint and an increase in freight rates on 
all trade lanes from Asia.

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    Fuel prices have not increased. This is important because as 
shipping lines plan for around Africa voyages the increased vessel and 
fuel costs can be offset by the decrease in Suez Canal fees. For a S.E. 
Asia to USEC service, an extra round trip of 14 days (7 days in each 
direction) at today's fuel price does not automatically mean an 
increased total voyage cost.

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    This is not the same for Asia to North Europe or Asia to 
Mediterranean, where deviation and the European Union Emissions Trading 
System increase costs on longer voyages.
    It must also be remembered that vessels need to be sourced and 
positioned to fill in weekly schedules. This along with increased at 
sea time for container box fleets tightens the supply side of assets. 
This tightening of supply may be felt across global trade lanes as 
vessels and containers are repositioned to where they are most needed.
    While containerized ocean carriers have seen increased freight 
rates and share prices as a result of the tightened supply, my 
conversations with executives and public comments all point to the 
desire to return to normal transit patterns as soon as practical.
    Protecting freedom of navigation in all waters is a requirement of 
free and fair global trade. On behalf of The Port of Virginia and my 
colleagues I recognize the extraordinary service of our men and women 
in the military who are active in the Red Sea, many of whom are 
deployed from our port.
    Thank you. I would be glad to answer questions the Committee might 
have.

    Mr. Rouzer. I thank the gentleman. We will now move to Mr. 
Roger Millar, secretary of transportation for the Washington 
State Department of Transportation.
    You are now recognized for up to 5 minutes.

      TESTIMONY OF ROGER MILLAR, PE, FASCE, FAICP, SEC-
       RETARY, WASHINGTON STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPOR-
       TATION

    Mr. Millar. Thank you, Chair Rouzer and Ranking Member 
Larsen, for inviting me to testify today to discuss the state 
of transportation. My name is Roger Millar, and I serve as 
secretary of transportation in Washington State.
    My remarks today will focus on how we are implementing 
funds through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and summarize 
a few of the challenges we are experiencing, including those 
related to project cost escalation.
    I want to start by thanking the Congress for passing the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which will provide over 
$5 billion in Federal funding for Washington State over the 
life of the act. While the act only requires States to 
suballocate portions of three of the formula programs, in 
Washington, we suballocate 41 percent of all of our Federal-aid 
formula funds to our local partners, and then we work closely 
with them to support successful obligation of their Federal 
funding.
    To date, we have used funding from the act on more than 370 
projects managed by WSDOT, including safety improvement 
projects, stormwater and culvert replacement projects, roadway 
preservation projects, and bridge preservation projects. As we 
deliver projects with funding from the act, we strive to ensure 
that the projects benefit all Washingtonians, including being 
more inclusive in our contracting work. WSDOT is a national 
model for disadvantaged business enterprise participation, and 
for the Federal fiscal year 2023 our DBE participation rate was 
nearly 19 percent, putting $111 million into that community.
    The National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program and 
the Electric or Low-Emitting Ferry Pilot Program are two 
examples of new programs in the act that we are implementing. 
We are leveraging Federal funds with State dollars for this 
important work, increasing both the impact of Federal funding 
and our ability to reach our decarbonization and efficiency 
goals.
    We also appreciate the new discretionary grant programs 
that support large, transformative projects through multiyear 
grant agreements, and/or funding pipelines. For example, WSDOT 
was recently notified that we will receive a $600 million Mega 
grant award for the Interstate Bridge Replacement Project. This 
project will replace the Interstate 5 Bridge which connects 
Washington and Oregon and serves as a critical connection for 
regional, national, and international trade. Replacing this 
aging bridge with a crossing that can meet the needs of all 
travelers for generations to come is of the highest priority.
    Our implementation of programs in the act is not without 
its challenges. For years, infrastructure investment did not 
keep pace with needs. The impacts of a lack of adequate 
investment to preserve, make safe, and enhance our systems for 
all users are readily apparent and will take time and hard work 
to overcome.
    Currently, WSDOT has less than half of the funding we need 
to keep our system in a state of good repair. Like DOTs across 
the country, we are experiencing cost escalation for some of 
our projects. The COVID pandemic placed an unprecedented strain 
on the supply chain, resulting in increased material costs. 
While we are no longer experiencing the same supply chain 
issues that we did in 2020 to 2022, workforce availability 
remains a challenge for the entire transportation sector and 
affects schedule, ultimately affecting overall project costs.
    DOTs, engineering consultants, labor, contractors, and 
suppliers are ramping up to deliver the programs funded through 
BIL, but a massive increase in projects requires a substantial 
workforce increase, as well. We hope that through future 
reauthorizations, Congress will provide a robust and sustained 
level of funding as our Federal partner so that everyone, 
especially our private-sector partners, will invest to ramp up, 
keep up, and deliver on these vital projects.
    We also need to do more to encourage women, people of 
color, and other underrepresented groups to study and work in 
transportation engineering and the construction trades to help 
build the strong, diverse workforce our programs and projects 
require.
    Another challenge we are having is related to the process 
known as August redistribution. In the past, Washington has 
been very successful in obligating all of our Federal funds and 
using the additional obligation authority that has come our way 
through the redistribution process. But our success means that 
we are reaching our contracting authority limits under the act, 
which will decrease our capacity to continue to utilize the 
redistributed obligation authority. And we are not unique in 
that case. Staff from AASHTO has been working with FHWA on 
suggestions for solutions to maximize highway formula dollars 
provided to State DOTs, and are sharing those ideas with 
Congress.
    Thank you again for the honor and opportunity to testify 
today. We appreciate having a strong Federal partner. We are 
working diligently to use our Federal funds to preserve and 
modernize our multimodal transportation system for all users.
    I am happy to answer any questions you might have.
    [Mr. Millar's prepared statement follows:]

                                 ----------
                                 
   Prepared Statement of Roger Millar, PE, FASCE, FAICP, Secretary, 
             Washington State Department of Transportation
             
                              Introduction
                              
    Thank you, Chairman Graves and Ranking Member Larsen for inviting 
me to testify today to discuss the state of transportation.
    My name is Roger Millar, and I serve as Secretary of the Washington 
State Department of Transportation (WSDOT). I joined WSDOT as Deputy 
Secretary in October 2015 and was appointed Secretary of Transportation 
in August 2016. I've spent over 45 years working in the transportation 
industry at the local and state level and in the private sector. The 
prominent theme that has run through my career has been planning and 
implementing transportation systems that are not ends unto themselves; 
but rather the means toward economic vitality, environmental 
stewardship, social equity, public health, and aesthetic quality. I 
serve as a member of the Board of Directors of the American Association 
of State Transportation Officials (AASHTO) and served as 2022-2023 
AASHTO President. In addition, I served as 2021-2022 Board Chair for 
the Intelligent Transportation Society of America (ITSA) and as 2022-
2023 President of the American Society of Civil Engineers 
Transportation and Development Institute (ASCE T&DI).
    I oversee an agency that is the steward of Washington state's 
multimodal transportation system and responsible for ensuring that 
people and goods move safely and efficiently. In addition to building, 
maintaining, and operating the state highway system, WSDOT operates the 
largest ferry system in the nation, sponsors the Amtrak Cascades 
intercity passenger rail service, owns and operates 16 airports, and 
owns a 300-mile short-line freight rail system. We work in partnership 
with others to maintain and improve local roads, railroads and 
airports, as well as to support mobility options such as public 
transportation, bicycle, and pedestrian programs. I'm here today to 
speak about the state of the nation's transportation infrastructure and 
supply chain issues.

      Implementation of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
      
    I want to start by thanking Congress for passing the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) / Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL) 
which will provide over $5 billion dollars in federal funding for 
Washington state over the life of the bill. While the IIJA only 
requires states to suballocate portions of three formula programs, in 
Washington, we suballocate 41 percent of our total federal-aid formula 
funds to local partners and we are working closely with them to support 
successful obligation of their federal funding. Federal funding 
currently comprises approximately 30 percent of the Department's total 
transportation budget, a historic high, and we are working diligently 
to put these funds to good use. To date we have used funding from the 
IIJA on more than 370 projects managed by WSDOT including 5 safety 
improvement projects, 28 environmental improvements like stormwater 
retrofits and fish barrier corrections, 137 roadway preservation 
projects and 93 bridge preservation projects.
    In addition to increases in formula funding for longstanding 
programs, we also appreciate the new programs created under IIJA. In 
Washington state we are leveraging state funding to amplify the 
benefits of our federal contributions to meet important state goals. 
For example, the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure program 
aligns with our state's goal of decarbonizing our transportation system 
and ensuring that all Washingtonians and visitors can use an Electric 
Vehicle and find convenient, reliable and accessible fast-charging 
stations. Our NEVI Plan Update was recently approved by the Federal 
Highway Administration (FHWA) and later this year we plan to issue a 
Request for Proposals for deploying fast charging stations along 
nationally designated alternative fuel corridors. In addition to the 
federal formula and competitive grant funding Washington will receive, 
we are also distributing $30 million dollars in state funding through 
our Zero-emission Vehicle Infrastructure Partnership grant to nonprofit 
organizations, tribes, state and local government agencies, all of whom 
then partner with private-sector organizations to develop and implement 
their projects.
    Another example of how we're leveraging federal funds is the 
electrification of our ferry system. WSDOT operates the largest ferry 
system in the United States. It is also the biggest contributor of 
greenhouse gas emissions of any state agency in Washington, burning 19 
million gallons of diesel fuel to transport 19 million passengers every 
year. Our fleet is aging and many of our vessels are due for major 
preservation work or replacement. This makes it the perfect time to 
modernize the fleet as we preserve it in a state of good repair. That's 
why we've embarked on an ambitious ferry electrification program to 
transition to an emission-free fleet that will also cost less to 
operate and maintain. New IIJA funding opportunities, including the 
Electric or Low-Emitting Ferry Pilot Program, allow us to leverage 
federal funds with state dollars for this important work, increasing 
both the impact of federal funding and our ability to reach our 
decarbonization and efficiency goals.
    New IIJA discretionary grant programs that support large, 
transformative projects through multiyear grant agreements and/or 
funding pipelines are also appreciated. For example, WSDOT was recently 
notified that we will receive a $600 million National Infrastructure 
Project Assistance program or ``MEGA'' grant award for the Interstate 
Bridge Replacement Project. This bi-state project will replace the I-5 
bridge which connects Washington and Oregon and serves as a critical 
connection for regional, national, and international trade. Replacing 
this aging bridge with a crossing that can meet the needs of all 
travelers for generations to come is of the highest priority. The MEGA 
grant program supports large, complex projects that generate national 
or regional economic, mobility or safety benefits--and the IBR program 
does all three. Funding that recognizes the long lead time and 
magnitude of transformational projects is key to our work and has been 
helpful moving several key projects forward.
    Another example is the new Corridor Identification and Development 
program administered by the Federal Rail Administration. We received 
entry into these programmatic ``pipelines'' for both our existing 
Amtrak Cascades passenger service and our proposed Cascadia High-Speed 
Rail programs. This allows us to plan for improvements for current rail 
passengers as well as envisioning an even more robust system in the 
future with high-speed rail between major Pacific Northwest cities, 
enabling us to address transportation and other related quality of life 
issues for future generations.
    As we deliver projects with funding through the IIJA, we strive to 
ensure the projects benefit all Washingtonians. This work also includes 
continuing to be more inclusive in our contracting work. WSDOT is a 
national model for Disadvantaged Business Enterprise participation as 
part of our ongoing contracting journey. For federal fiscal year 2023 
our DBE participation rate is nearly 19 percent or $111 million. That's 
an increase from FFY 2017 with 14.6 percent in total or $77.6 million. 
Our work includes several programs supporting under-represented 
business efforts, including programs for small and veteran's businesses 
and capacity building mentorship programs.
    In addition to efficiently deploying the federal funds we've 
received; we are also engaging in opportunities to comment on new 
rules. FHWA's Final Rule for Assessing the Performance of the National 
Highway System, Greenhouse Gas Emissions (GHG) Measure is one example. 
WSDOT recently co-signed a letter with 14 other states, representing 
over 40 percent of our nation's population and almost 50 percent of our 
GDP, noting our support for the measure. Transportation is the largest 
source of carbon pollution in the United States. As stewards of that 
system, state DOTs can take meaningful actions to cut greenhouse gas 
emissions. While state DOTs play a critical role in the transition to a 
clean energy economy, they cannot do it alone. This common-sense rule 
will provide important and uniform data to help state DOTs, partners, 
and stakeholders work together to make progress towards a cleaner, 
safer, and more equitable transportation system. Since 2018, WSDOT has 
voluntarily reported GHG emission estimates and targets on the National 
Highway System to FHWA as part of bi-annual performance reporting. The 
process it neither difficult nor burdensome and we stand ready to 
support our partners who are new to the process.

                               Challenges
                               
    For years, infrastructure investment did not keep pace with our 
needs. The impacts of a lack of adequate investment to preserve and 
enhance our systems for all users are readily apparent and will take 
time and hard work to overcome. There is also the cost--both monetarily 
and in human suffering--that we all pay as a society when it comes to 
transportation funding and issues such as safety.
    The combined budgets of all state DOTs is nearly $200 billion a 
year. Yet crashes cost our national economy $1.4 trillion annually in 
economic and societal impacts. Not having our system in a state of good 
repair costs another $142 billion a year. Congestion's annual cost is 
$110 billion; with another $107 billion for greenhouse gas emissions. 
Currently, WSDOT has less than half of the funding needed to keep our 
systems safe and in a state of good repair.
    Like DOTs across the country, we are experiencing cost escalation 
for some projects. The COVID pandemic placed an unprecedented strain on 
the supply chain resulting in increased material costs. Material 
pricing volatility adds risks to projects. This is especially 
challenging for our largest, most complex projects because we are 
asking contractors to estimate these costs years into the future. 
Consequently, it's on these types of projects that we are seeing the 
largest cost increases. While we are generally not experiencing the 
same supply chain issues we did during and immediately following the 
pandemic, other external pressures are still affecting project costs. 
These include market conditions exacerbated by strong, unprecedented 
competition among agencies for the same material and workforce pool.
    Workforce availability is a challenge for entire transportation 
sector as we work together to deliver new projects and programs funded 
by IIJA and state and local governments. This involves all phases of 
project work and quite simply: the current near-term demand outweighs 
the supply. Many agencies and industry partners also are experiencing 
employee loss due to retirement and attrition, exacerbating the hiring 
challenges. Those challenges also affect schedule, ultimately affecting 
overall project costs. DOTs, labor, and contractors are ramping up to 
deliver the projects funded through IIJA but a massive increase in 
projects also requires a workforce increase, and we hope Congress will 
provide a robust and sustained level of funding as our federal partner 
so that everyone, especially our private sector partners, will invest 
to ramp up, keep up, and deliver on these vital projects.
    We also need to do more to encourage women, people of color and 
other underrepresented groups to study and work in transportation 
engineering and the construction trades to help build the strong, 
diverse workforce our programs and projects require. We've done that in 
Washington state with several state-funded internship and Pre-
Apprenticeship Support Services programs, including training and 
support for women, people of color, socially and economically 
disadvantaged individuals (including in juvenile justice or foster care 
systems) to learn the skills to become iron workers, maritime crews or 
other trades. In the last 10 years we've served about 3,000 people 
through these programs, but we need to see those numbers at 10,000 a 
year or more.

 Reducing Federal Highway Funding Volatility by Addressing Record-High 
                    Levels of August Redistribution
                    
    Under the current process of providing highway formula and 
discretionary grant dollars for the federal fiscal year, the Federal 
Highway Administration (FHWA) has to wait until August to ask state 
DOTs to obligate a significant share--$7.9 billion or 15 percent of the 
$54 billion total in FY 2023--in just one month. This ``wait-and hurry 
up'' approach deprives state DOTs of the full fiscal year to 
strategically plan and deploy investments to best deliver on the 
promise of the IIJA.
    In the past, Washington has been successful in utilizing its full 
amount of our Obligation Authority and therefore has been eligible to 
receive redistributed funds. We've strategically overprogrammed 
preservation projects to take advantage of August Redistribution 
opportunities. In 2023, Washington state received a total of $116 
million in redistributed obligation authority, with approximately $72 
million for local agency projects. But our success means we have very 
little contract authority remaining, which will decrease our capacity 
to continue to utilize these redistributed funds.
    AASHTO has been collaborating with the US Department of 
Transportation on a possible legislative solution to maximize highway 
formula dollars provided to state DOTs and are sharing these for 
Congress' consideration. Legislative modernization of the August 
redistribution process in Section 120 of the annual Transportation-
Housing and Urban Development appropriations is needed to mitigate the 
impact of slow-spending non-formula Highway Trust Fund programs and to 
ensure ample time for state DOTs to obligate additional dollars 
throughout the fiscal year. This action will more quickly translate 
IIJA's historic investments to tangible benefits throughout the 
country.

    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you very much, sir.
    Mr. Tucker, Mr. Jeff Tucker, CEO of the Tucker Company 
Worldwide, you are now recognized for up to 5 minutes.

      TESTIMONY OF JEFFREY G. TUCKER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFI-
       CER, TUCKER COMPANY WORLDWIDE,  INC.,  ON  BEHALF OF
       THE TRANSPORTATION INTERMEDIARIES ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Tucker. Chairman Rouzer, Ranking Member Larsen, and 
members of the House T&I Committee, thank you for the 
opportunity to speak with you today to highlight the vital role 
that logistics companies play in the supply chain and how our 
industry combines with an effective infrastructure to directly 
benefit the American economy.
    My name is Jeff Tucker. I am the third-generation CEO of 
Tucker Company Worldwide, based in Haddonfield, New Jersey, and 
former board chair of the Transportation Intermediaries 
Association. I have 33 years of experience in this industry, 
and chair and cochair committees and other national and 
international logistics associations.
    Tucker is the oldest privately held freight brokerage in 
the United States. We arrange some of the largest shipments 
that humans can move on the road, and we also move 
pharmaceuticals and other high-value goods. We have supported 
numerous Presidential, military, and both the RNC and DNC 
national conventions with logistics support.
    I am honored to represent TIA's more than 2,000 member 
firms. TIA is the professional organization of the $232 billion 
third-party logistics industry, and it is an association that 
my father, Bill, cofounded in 1978.
    Logistics companies like mine view infrastructure as the 
chessboard: the chessboard upon which we use every single mode 
of transport to literally make the world go round. We are 
innovators, we are huge investors in technology, we are mode 
agnostic, and, like you, we are focused on ensuring goods reach 
consumers quickly, safely, and efficiently. The work logistics 
companies do has taken on new importance in America since the 
pandemic upended global supply chains. Freight supported 
rapidly shifting supply chains, unlike anything in history, 
from mid-2022 to mid-2023.
    We seem to have reached a new equilibrium, as the other 
gentlemen have mentioned. The pandemic era, a disruption in 
freight, has dissipated, and the broader economy is proving 
resilient. We believe these factors combined will create 
greater stability in 2024. Our industry overcame the historic 
challenges to keep America's supply chain fluid.
    I commend the administration and this committee for the 
proactive approaches to addressing supply chain concerns, 
notably through the FLOW initiative and the creation of the 
Supply Chain Disruptions Task Force. Thank you for the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, too. Continued and robust 
investment in infrastructure, combined with resourceful and 
innovative logistics companies like mine, are part of America's 
superpowers and directly improve our economy, jobs, and the 
health and welfare of our people.
    Our number-one challenge is fraud. Fraud is rampant in 
trucking. It has ballooned to an $800 million problem. There is 
a surge of malicious actors engaging in illegal activity, 
registering with FMCSA as carriers and perpetrating fraud, 
theft, and holding freight hostage in situations without any 
legal consequences. While this is obviously an economic problem 
hurting consumers and businesses alike, it also raises safety 
and security concerns. Unfortunately, FMCSA is failing to 
enforce the law, investigating tens of thousands of fraud 
complaints lodged with it.
    We see similar cases of fraud with dispatch services, which 
are often based abroad, operating here in our country, who, 
mind you, are not required by FMCSA to obtain a license or a 
registration like my company has, doing essentially the same 
work.
    We need FMCSA to step up. FMCSA must stop dabbling in 
nonsafety commercial considerations like what dollar amount a 
performance bond should be, or what commercial terms included 
inside a private contract between two parties exist. Instead, 
focus on safety.
    Other issues impacting the industry, for example, there is 
a rising need for longer term investment at the Mexican border 
to meet the increased truck and rail traffic crossing that 
border as supply chains shift closer to home.
    State regulatory issues, which may be well intentioned, 
often dealing with sustainability and air quality, are causing 
more challenges in the Nation's supply chains by creating more 
than one standard for interstate commerce.
    Finally, there is no driver shortage. I say that again. 
There is no driver shortage, nor has there been one. That is a 
false narrative that may lead to unintended consolidation in 
the industry and a weakening of the American supply chain. A 
more than doubling of the number of carriers and an increase of 
1 million drivers has occurred over the last 10 years.
    We must have a more nuanced conversation about this and 
other policies, and I am thankful to be here, and look forward 
to further discussion.
    [Mr. Tucker's prepared statement follows:]

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   Prepared Statement of Jeffrey G. Tucker, Chief Executive Officer, 
    Tucker Company Worldwide, Inc., on behalf of the Transportation 
                       Intermediaries Association
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the House 
Transportation & Infrastructure Committee: Thank you for the 
opportunity to speak with you today to highlight the vital role that 
logistics companies play in the supply chain and how the logistics 
industry combined with an effective infrastructure directly impacts the 
overall American economy.
    My name is Jeff Tucker; I am CEO of Tucker Company Worldwide based 
in Haddonfield, New Jersey, and a former Board Chair of the 
Transportation Intermediaries Association (TIA). I chair and co-chair 
committees in other national and international logistics organizations, 
which give me a variety of perspectives. Tucker Company Worldwide is 
the oldest privately-held freight brokerage in North America, 
specializing in project cargo like oversized and overweight shipments--
including some of the largest structures humans can move on the 
ground--to extremely expensive and high security items like 
pharmaceuticals, vaccines, and life-science goods. We provide U.S. 
military logistics support and have supported countless Presidential 
missions, DNC and RNC national conventions security logistics support. 
In the aftermath of 9/11, our company provided trucking services at 
Ground Zero; we supported FEMA during countless disasters; and moved 
radioactive containment structures during the Three-Mile Island partial 
meltdown. We operated during excessive regulation, and we helped lead 
the industry through Presidents Carter's and Reagan's and multiple 
Congress' bipartisan efforts to deregulate price controls and 
contracting controls that stifled the industry. In those earliest days 
of deregulation, my father Bill Tucker was a founding member of TIA, 
which celebrated their 45th year as an association in 2023. Along with 
my brother Jim, we are third-generation owners of the company that my 
grandfather founded.
    I am honored to be here today to represent TIA's more than 2,000 
member companies. TIA is the professional organization of the $232 
billion third-party logistics industry, representing approximately 1 in 
4 freight dollars spent. With over 33 years of experience in the field 
of logistics and supply chain management, I am pleased to share 
insights into the intricate relationship between logistics, 
infrastructure, and the overall efficiency of the supply chain. Make no 
mistake--investment in American infrastructure, combined with 
incredibly resilient and innovative logistics providers combine to 
supercharge America's economy, its jobs and the health and welfare of 
Americans. We make the world go 'round.
    The word `logistics' encompasses transportation, warehousing, 
distribution, and inventory management and is the foundation of every 
supply chain. When done well, it involves the seamless coordination and 
integration of many transactions to ensure the timely and cost-
effective movement of goods from the point of origin to the end 
consumer.
    Logistics companies specializing in transportation are freight 
forwarders and freight brokers. I am here primarily representing 
freight brokers, who focus on surface transportation within North 
America. Freight brokers stand at the center of the supply chain: we 
routinely solve the most difficult challenges; we facilitate and 
arrange the efficient and economical movement of goods by working with 
tens of thousands of shippers and carriers to help arrange the movement 
of freight by truck, rail, air, and ocean carriers. Increasingly, we 
are the parties with the most significant investment in freight and 
logistics technology.
    Every Fortune 500 company utilizes the services of at least one 
freight forwarder and one broker, and often they use many brokers to 
handle their freight transportation allocation. Arranging the freight 
is only the tip of the iceberg, and the easiest work we do. We provide 
critical data to help companies manage their businesses more 
effectively; we provide technological support and innovative solutions 
to strategic and tactical problems, and we help manage aspects of their 
business relationships, identifying waste and opportunity for savings 
and efficiencies. By helping companies understand the supply chain, and 
working with them, their suppliers, and their customers to educate them 
on the value of time, the value of delay, the value of useful 
information versus bad, we help companies revolutionize and revitalize 
their operations. All of this is possible because we move their freight 
and use their own data, combined with market data and internal 
learnings to help them continually evolve, and compete with domestic 
and foreign competitors.
    The work that logistics companies do has taken on new importance to 
America since the pandemic upset global supply chains. The pandemic, 
China's misguided and unsuccessful Zero-Covid policy, and the 
increasing geo-political tensions around Taiwan, the Taiwan Strait and 
the South China Sea, and the inordinate shipping delays that ensued at 
the peak of the freight crisis, have collectively caused many American 
companies to rethink China and return to the Americas, and to the 
United States.
    We learned of examples of healthcare manufacturers who were solely 
dependent upon Chinese suppliers for lifesaving products, parts of 
syringes, many types of personal protective equipment (``PPE'') and 
many other critical to life products. Companies sought to mitigate 
these risks by finding other manufacturing locations in--closer to home 
and in the U.S. Logistics companies are critical to supporting this 
effort. We are helping companies choose locations wisely and to move 
new freight volumes throughout the country. These are exciting times, 
especially for our company, since my grandfather founded the company 
and supported rigging companies who were dismantling factories in the 
Northeast and moving them South, West or overseas. Today, 60 years 
later, we see America building again.
    Transportation efficiency is paramount in the U.S. GDP and the 
global supply chain, as it directly impacts the speed and reliability 
of delivering products. The optimization of transportation routes, the 
utilization of advanced technologies such as GPS tracking and the 
integration of multi-modal transportation options all contribute to a 
more resilient and responsive supply chain. Logistics companies view 
infrastructure as the chess board, and we are adept at strategically 
helping our customers and our carriers make the best moves to help 
their businesses thrive.
    Logistics companies are the largest investors in logistics 
technologies within the industry--more than shippers and carriers. We 
play a critical role in mitigating many risks within the supply chain. 
Continuous investment in solution development, technology, modeling, 
and piloting new methods of delivery are central to what logistics 
companies do today. We help organizations respond swiftly to 
disruptions, ensuring continuity of supply even in the face of 
unforeseen challenges, like when natural disasters hit, when new 
products launch, and of course when global supply chains are disrupted 
by pandemic or war or blocked canals. The supply chain bent but never 
broke during the pandemic, due to the incredible resilience of our 
transportation system, and due to the risk mitigation actions and the 
taken by logistics companies.
    Let me repeat myself. The supply chain bent, but never broke during 
the pandemic. There was never a day--ever--where we were not able to 
locate a truck to move a shipment. It may have cost a lot more to lure 
a carrier away from steady business, or to send an empty truck hundreds 
of miles to pick up a critical shipment. But we moved it.
    Today there are more than twice as many trucking companies as a 
decade ago. The nation added over 1 million net, additional for-hire 
drivers over that same time. I encourage you to think differently about 
there being a driver shortage. There is not a driver shortage in 
America. I have been reporting data on this for 13 years. However, if 
you are a large carrier, you have an awful driver shortage because 
technology allows smaller carriers to thrive and has encouraged 
American entrepreneurship. The largest fleets today represent the 
smallest market percentage in drivers and tractors than at any time 
since 2011. Overall, however, the industry is thriving.
    Logistics companies have never been more important to the economy 
than they are today. Trucking fleets are becoming smaller and more 
nimble and more specialized, catering to the specific needs of our 
manufacturers and importers. Meanwhile, manufacturers are lean, 
efficient and they wish to deal with fewer suppliers--thus the enormous 
and ever-growing reliance on logistics companies to support their 
operations.
    This growth in logistics companies and the ever-increasing 
decentralization of the motor carrier industry are great for America. 
They fuel ownership, investment, and innovation. They keep America open 
for business and maintain our position as the swiftest, most powerful 
distribution system in the world.
    In the earliest days of the pandemic, when Washington State nursing 
homes were being ravaged, and New York City hospital morgues were 
overflowing with the dead, these smaller fleets volunteered to move 
loads to these troubled areas, while some larger carriers declined. As 
we sought carriers to haul medicine and other relief supplies to NYC, 
large corporately run carriers routinely told us they were not sending 
drivers to hot spots for their safety and due to Human Resources 
concerns. Understandable. I get it. But small carriers and drivers 
volunteered, placed the flags on their backs like superheroes, and 
helped those in need. Logistics companies, and the deep, interwoven 
operational relationships we have with our customers enabled these 
drivers to access this business and to perform this good work. And get 
paid. And through the worst of it--those first several weeks in April 
2020 when extraordinarily little freight was moving--we kept carriers 
moving. None of us had the revenues that we wanted, or the orders we 
needed, but we kept America fed and critical supplies flowing. We 
notched huge psychological wins during a dark period that gave our work 
new meaning.
    The U.S. economy has become intrinsically linked with the broader 
global marketplace and the worldwide supply chain can have significant 
impacts. As we saw during the pandemic, the role of logistics in both 
the United States and internationally remains pivotal to the broader 
American economic landscape. From the standpoint of our members, the 
disruptions experienced in the supply chain due to the COVID-19 
pandemic are improving, yet several lingering challenges persist.
    Some challenges include: (a) individual states undoing the seamless 
interstate commerce system by attacking small carriers and owner 
operators with regulations ostensibly geared toward clean air, but are 
overreaching and overbroad, placing the fundamental strength of our 
supply chain--our diverse and defragmented market--in grave jeopardy; 
(b) limitations in truck capacity within specific sectors such as 
liquid bulk and hazardous bulk shipments; (c) shortages of shipping 
containers; (d) inflationary pressures driving up the cost of many 
freight components and reducing consumption of goods, which reduces 
freight volumes.
    I wish to commend the Administration and this Committee for the 
proactive approaches to addressing supply chain concerns, notably 
through the FLOW initiative and the creation of the Supply Chain 
Taskforce. The multifaceted efforts to navigate and optimize the supply 
chain align with the overarching goal of fostering economic resilience 
and stability. Logistics companies remain optimistic about continued 
progress and look forward to ongoing collaboration to ensure the 
resilience and efficiency of the U.S. supply chain.
    I remain concerned about national security as it relates to the 
supply chain. We were overly dependent upon China before the pandemic 
and remain so today in certain products. Individual state regulations 
mentioned earlier, which if left unchecked by Congress, will slow down 
freight movements and harm American families. Regulations that 
consolidate the industry may appeal to special interests, but these 
efforts make it easier for our enemies to disable our trucking 
industry. It is far more difficult to disable a growing 350,000 carrier 
fleet with 3.5 million drivers, than it is to disable a consolidated 
one. Remember how the Colonial Pipeline and Maersk data breaches 
brought commerce to a halt?
    I am genuinely concerned with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety 
Administration (FMCSA) and their willingness to become involved in 
commercial aspects of the transportation system. I was selected by 
FMCSA Administrator Anne Ferro several years ago to serve on its Motor 
Carrier Selection Advisory Committee's subcommittee. Since 2010, FMCSA 
has promised to provide safety data to those of us interested in motor 
carrier safety. They have failed the public miserably. This is the one 
thing industry needs from them, and they are 13 years overdue and 
counting. Yet, instead of focusing squarely on life saving safety 
issues, they keep wasting years of funding and taxpayer support 
focusing on commercial considerations like performance bonds and what 
is contained in contracts regarding pricing between private parties, 
neither of which have any relevance to safety. FMCSA's regulatory 
mission is safety and reducing crashes, injuries and fatalities 
involving large trucks and buses. Yet they persistently avoid that 
responsibility every minute that they focus on commercial interests 
between private entities. FMCSA must be held accountable to focus 
exclusively on safety matters and stay out of regulating agreements 
between companies.
    On behalf of TIA, we are particularly grateful for Congress' work 
to pass the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, also known as the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Infrastructure is the engine that powers 
sustained growth and is the bedrock of our GDP. Infrastructure, 
encompassing roads, bridges, airports, communication networks, and 
energy systems, facilitates the smooth functioning of key sectors. 
Adequate and well-maintained infrastructure not only enhances 
connectivity and accessibility but also fosters economic efficiency and 
creates a conducive environment for businesses to thrive, attracting 
investments and generating employment opportunities. Additionally, 
infrastructure investments contribute to improved sustainability by 
promoting environmentally friendly practices and technological 
advancements. In essence, allocating resources to infrastructure 
development is an investment in the future, laying the foundation for a 
resilient, competitive, and prosperous economy.

                        Supply Chain Disruptions
                        
    TIA publishes a 3PL Market Report that summarizes data collected 
from participating TIA Members, which gives us insights into the market 
and analyzes the future market. In the 3rd quarter of 2023, the U.S. 
economy and the portion associated with freight transportation both 
posted surpassingly strong results. The Real Gross Domestic Product 
(GDP) rose 5.2% quarter over quarter on a seasonally adjusted basis--
the strongest gain since the fourth quarter of 2021. Despite this solid 
performance in the third quarter, freight volumes remained sluggish 
driven by increased consumer spending on travel, experiences, and 
entertainment (think Taylor Swift and Beyonce), and inflationary 
pressures reducing overall spending for many.
    In the mid-2020s and 2021, inflation hit trucking and freight 
before it hit the greater economy. Demand for trucking services and 
wild changes in supply chains dramatically changed lanes and carrier 
partners for shippers large and small. Carriers and logistics companies 
scurried for new customers and new lanes, and shippers scurried for new 
carriers, bidding up prices to steal capacity from others, since 
commerce lanes changed so much. Interestingly, overall freight volumes 
were not particularly abnormal. All of this ``inflation'' in freight 
was caused by rapidly shifting supply chains, unlike anything in 
history. This pricing strength attracted 15% more drivers into the 
market in just two years from 2020 to 2022. In mid-2022, the supply 
chain reached a new equilibrium, and most of that new driver capacity 
that appeared, has been steadily exiting the market. Today's carrier 
and driver counts are back to 2019 and 2020 levels. The inflationary 
period in trucking, air and ocean seems to be over, and its short 
duration provides hope that today's moderating inflation numbers may 
portend a short-lived consumer inflationary period.

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    Looking to the future, logistics companies are paying close 
attention to consumer spending, manufacturing, capacity and 
utilization, and retail and wholesale inventories. According to the 
recent data, the freight industry showed signs of improvement, 
outpacing a trend of weak performance that began in mid 2022. However, 
freight volumes and the possibility there may still be overcapacity in 
the trucking industry paint an uncertain view of 2024. If the market is 
in equilibrium, we feel a little more positive, as pricing is level and 
predictable. We watch consumer spending as a leading indicator for the 
freight economy. And stronger than expected jobs data provides some 
optimism. Mortgage rates edging down and increased home ownership 
trends by younger citizens are glimmers of hope for freight. Data shows 
that spending has kept freight demand in good standing and could 
continue; however, a sudden weakness in job growth, or a negative shock 
to the economy could undermine this upswing.
    Amidst the prevailing uncertainty, the 3PL (third-party logistics) 
marketplace stands resilient, experiencing unprecedented strength. 
Shippers increasingly rely on brokers, and this reliance has witnessed 
substantial growth, with the broker freight marketplace expanding by 
over 30% from 2020 to 2022. The agility of TIA members is noteworthy, 
as they possess the capacity to adapt swiftly, leveraging robust 
carrier relationships that shippers may not inherently possess.
    In navigating the dynamic landscape, shippers consistently seek 
transportation solutions to meet their evolving needs. Safety and 
security rank as the top two criteria when a shipper selects a broker. 
Looking ahead, projections indicate a substantial uptick in the role of 
brokers, with estimates suggesting that by 2045, brokers will handle 
nearly 45% of the freight in the supply chain--a significant increase 
from the current approximate share of 30%. And the number of brokers 
continues to grow, offering shippers and carriers more choices and a 
much wider range of partners and specialties, catering better to their 
needs.
    This trend underscores the growing significance of brokers in the 
logistics ecosystem, positioning brokers as key facilitators in meeting 
the evolving demands of shippers while maintaining a steadfast 
commitment to safety and security.

                       Fraud in the Supply Chain
                       
    One developing challenge is that the supply chain is currently 
grappling with a pervasive fraud epidemic, costing upwards of $800 
million for American consumers, with brokers, carriers, shippers on the 
front lines. Regrettably, the industry is witnessing a surge in 
malicious actors engaging in illegal activity, registering with FMCSA 
as carriers using numerous motor carrier numbers, and perpetrating 
fraud, theft, and freight hostage situations without facing legal 
consequences.
    Unfortunately, and yet again, FMCSA is falling short in enforcing 
the law or investigating the tens of thousands of fraud complaints 
lodged with the Agency. Although the FMCSA expressed intentions to 
utilize funds from the Infrastructure Investments & Jobs Act (IIJA) for 
increased enforcement, to date, progress has been slow. We do 
understand the constraints and limitations that the Agency faces, and 
this is an issue that we all need to tackle head on together. I 
encourage this Committee, Congress, and the Administration to use every 
tool at your collective disposal to refocus and reprioritize FMCSA's 
attention away from commercial interference between brokers, carriers, 
and shippers, and concentrate all its efforts on safety and national 
security. Fraud in trucking affects critical freight like 
pharmaceuticals, food, and even military freight. These are legitimate 
and present threats to public safety.
    Fraud not only undermines market security but also poses risks to 
safety on our nation's highways, inevitably leading to additional costs 
for end consumers. The situation's urgency prompted Congress to take 
issue with it, as evidenced by the inclusion of language in the fiscal 
year 2023 THUD Appropriations Bill, mandating the FMCSA to report back 
to Congress on the issue and their actions. However, the awaited report 
is yet to be issued. FMCSA has commercial interference on its mind 
instead.
    Another contributing factor to supply chain fraud is the 
proliferation of unlicensed and unregulated ``dispatch services,'' 
often based outside the United States. These services, hired by owner-
operators to secure loads, including sensitive Department of Defense 
freight, raise concerns about national security. FMCSA has decided to 
exclude these services from obtaining a freight broker license, instead 
of recognizing the pervasive nature of this issue. Making matters 
worse, in some cases, foreign nationals, operating overseas for these 
dispatch services have direct IT connections with U.S. carriers and/or 
payment services here. This opens a Pandora's Box of IT risk that is 
incomprehensible. Collaborative efforts with the Armed Services 
Committees in the House and Senate occurred in 2023 and report language 
was included in the NDAA to investigate this issue. One proposed 
solution involves the implementation of a provision from the Moving 
Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act of MAP-21, requiring brokers 
to demonstrate industry knowledge or possess a minimum of three years' 
experience for authorization, mirroring a successful regulation at the 
Federal Maritime Commission (FMC).
    From my perspective, the most significant challenge currently 
afflicting the market is the prevalence of fraud in the supply chain. 
Until there are effective measures to address and enforce solutions for 
this issue, the continued dysfunctionality of the supply chain and its 
adverse impact on the broader economy will persist.

                              Conclusion:
                              
    I appreciate the opportunity to testify before the Committee today 
to provide the perspective of the 3PL industry and offer some potential 
solutions. I would be happy to answer any questions.

    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you very much. Next we have Ms. Lauren 
Benford, controller for the Reiman Corporation.
    You are recognized for 5 minutes.

     TESTIMONY OF LAUREN BENFORD,  CONTROLLER,  REIMAN
      CORPORATION, ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL
      CONTRACTORS OF AMERICA

    Ms. Benford. Thank you, Chairman Rouzer, Ranking Member 
Larsen, and members of the Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure. Thank you for inviting me to testify today on 
this vitally important topic. My name is Lauren Benford, and I 
am the controller of Reiman Corp., an active member of AGC, and 
the past president of the AGC of Wyoming.
    AGC is the leading association in the construction 
industry, representing more than 27,000 firms, including 
America's leading general contractors and specialty contracting 
firms, many of which are small businesses. Reiman Corp. is a 
76-year-old family-owned company currently passing off 
leadership to the third generation. We employ 150 employees and 
operate in Wyoming, Nebraska, and northern Colorado. We 
specialize in heavy highway, civil, and commercial 
construction.
    In my testimony today I will discuss the status of the 
construction industry, including the challenges that lie ahead 
for rebuilding our Nation's infrastructure.
    For the construction industry, managing inflation defined 
2023. Since February of 2020, the average cost of construction 
material has increased by 37 percent, nearly twice as high as 
consumer inflation, which was 19 percent during the same amount 
of time. More specifically, highway construction cost has 
increased 50 percent since December of 2020, according to the 
Federal Highway Administration. These figures also reflect a 
significant cost increase for specific construction materials 
from February 2020 to November 2023, which include a 113 
increase in the price of diesel; a 60-percent increase in the 
price of steel mill products; a 44-percent increase in the 
price of gypsum, which is used in many of building materials; 
and a 31-percent increase in the price of cement.
    The price of fuel, especially diesel, has driven up the 
cost for the construction industry and projects nationwide. 
Higher diesel costs mean construction companies must pay more 
to operate equipment, deliver material to jobs, and haul away 
debris, dirt, and equipment. Likewise, construction workers 
themselves feel the pain of higher commuting costs, 
particularly for jobs in rural areas like Wyoming, where 
workers often have longer commutes.
    Working in Wyoming creates many challenges being a rural 
State, such as material availability, severe shortage of 
skilled laborers, extreme weather, shorter building seasons, 
and logistical challenges because of long distances between 
communities.
    The construction industry labor shortage remains severe, 
with most construction firms expecting labor conditions to 
remain tight. Despite firms increasing pay and benefits, the 
workforce shortage continues. In 2023, an AGC survey found that 
93 percent of construction firms reported they have open 
positions they are trying to fill. Of those firms, 90 percent 
are having trouble filling at least some of those positions, 
particularly among the craft workforce that is performing the 
bulk of the construction work onsite.
    Nevertheless, confusion around the Buy America requirements 
have added to the uncertainty. While AGC supports the effort to 
enhance America's manufacturing capabilities, there remains 
confusion among suppliers, contractors, and owners themselves, 
including the DOTs.
    It is also important that we depoliticize the Buy America 
waiver process. If a waiver is granted, it does not mean that 
administration, Democratic or Republican, does not care about 
domestic manufacturing or American jobs. It means that they 
also care about American construction jobs and want to rebuild 
America's infrastructure.
    Looking ahead to 2024, construction companies have a mixed 
outlook as expectations for demand remain mostly positive, but 
less upbeat than last year amid these new challenges.
    The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act provided market 
opportunities for all types of construction companies. From a 
construction standpoint, AGC members report that most of the 
IIJA funding to date has been needed to repair and repave our 
roadways. While AGC members are hard at work to rebuild the 
Nation's infrastructure, it is also critical to recognize that 
current focus on repair and reconstruction is in its early 
stages of the IIJA, partly due to project readiness.
    We have not seen an increase in the large projects to bid. 
As a result of the IIJA, we remain optimistic the robust 
funding levels provided in the law will mean more construction 
projects break ground in the next few years. If Congress did 
not pass the IIJA, the impacts on transportation contractors 
would have been significant, with likely a cut of 20 to 30 
percent in projects by the States.
    I want to thank you all for the opportunity to testify 
today. I look forward to any questions.
    [Ms. Benford's prepared statement follows:]

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 Prepared Statement of Lauren Benford, Controller, Reiman Corporation, 
       on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of America
       
                            I. Introduction
                            
    Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larsen, and members of the 
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, thank you for inviting 
me to testify on this vitally important topic. My name is Lauren 
Benford, and I am the Controller of the Reiman Corporation, an active 
member of the Associated General Contractors of America (AGC) and a 
past President of the Associated General Contractors of Wyoming.
    AGC is the leading association in the construction industry, 
representing more than 27,000 firms, including America's leading 
general contractors and specialty-contracting firms, many of which are 
small businesses. Many of the nation's service providers and suppliers 
are also associated with AGC through a nationwide network of chapters. 
AGC contractors are both union and open shop and are engaged in the 
construction of the nation's commercial buildings, shopping centers, 
factories, warehouses, highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, waterworks 
facilities, waste treatment facilities, levees, locks, dams, water 
conservation projects, defense facilities, multi-family housing 
projects, and more. In 2020, 91% of firms within the construction 
industry had 20 or fewer employees.\1\
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    Reiman Corp is a 76-year-old, family-owned company currently 
passing off leadership to the third generation. We employ 150 employees 
and operate in Wyoming, Nebraska and Northern Colorado. We specialize 
in heavy highway, civil and commercial construction work.
    In my testimony today, I will discuss the status of the 
construction industry, including the challenges that lie ahead for 
rebuilding our nation's infrastructure. Recent investments in 
infrastructure, like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), 
have contributed to the most significant infusion of investment in our 
infrastructure since the enactment of the Interstate Highway System in 
the mid-1950's. While inflation and supply chain constraints have 
created challenges over the past two years, the construction industry 
would have seen a cut in projects to bid on without the IIJA, 
negatively impacting my company, the industry, and our nation's 
infrastructure. My testimony today will also highlight the challenges 
and opportunities that exist for the construction industry.

               II. The Cost of Construction Has Increased
               
The cost of construction materials has increased
    For the construction industry, managing inflation defined 2023. 
Since February 2020, the average cost of construction materials has 
increased by 37%; nearly twice as high as the rate of consumer 
inflation, which was 19% during that same period (See Appendix Table 
1). More specifically, highway construction costs have increased 50% 
since December 2020, according to the Federal Highway Administration's 
(FHWA) National Highway Construction Cost Index (NHCCI).\2\ These 
figures also reflect significant cost increases for specific 
construction materials from February 2020 to November 2023 (See 
Appendix Table 2), which include a:
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     113% increase in the price of diesel;
      60% increase in the price of steel mill products;
      44% increase in the price of gypsum (used in a lot of 
building materials); and
     31% increase in the price of cement.\3\
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    The price of fuel, especially diesel, has driven up costs for the 
construction industry and project costs nationwide. Higher diesel costs 
mean construction companies must pay more to operate equipment, deliver 
materials to jobsites, and haul away dirt, debris, and equipment. 
Likewise, construction workers themselves feel the pain of higher 
commuting costs--particularly for jobs in rural areas where workers 
often have long commutes.
    Contractors are often asked, ``what difference does it make what 
the costs of materials are if you are just building the price into your 
bids?'' There is often a lag between when you are quoted a price from a 
supplier that is used to submit a bid and when the order is placed 
ahead of construction--especially when you are doing federal-aid 
transportation work. Get the estimates wrong and you either lose your 
shirt (and possibly your company), or you lose the bid.
    Contractors must try to predict what prices will look like when it 
comes time to procure these materials, several months to even a year 
later--otherwise they could be forced to absorb increases. Likewise, if 
a contractor includes anticipated cost increases in their bids, they 
run the risk of losing out on a project to a lower bidder.
    Companies are also unable to foresee things like world events that 
cause a spike in oil prices or soaring inflation and therefore, in some 
instances, are forced to absorb these increases if there is no price 
adjustment clause available to them.
    While contractors are in the business of managing risk, the events 
and circumstances of the last two years have led to such unparalleled 
unpredictability in the supply chain and market that contracting firms 
of all sizes are at greater risk now than in recent history of business 
failure. As you can imagine, the impacts are especially devastating to 
small and Disadvantaged Business Enterprise (DBE) construction firms 
that lack the resources to absorb these unexpected costs.
    Working in Wyoming creates many challenges being a rural state, 
such as material availability, severe shortage of skilled labor, 
extreme weather, shorter building seasons and logistical challenges 
because of long distances between communities. Wyoming's forever west 
attitude, harsh weather, and lack of amenities makes it extremely 
difficult to attract talent to the state to allow our companies to 
grow.

The wages of construction workers have increased
    
    The Bureau of Labor Statistics released numbers in November 2023 
that showed that there were still 390,000 job openings in construction 
despite 271,000 new hires reported throughout the month. In other 
words, the industry cannot find enough people to hire. This has 
resulted in dramatic increases in labor costs. Between December 2022 
and December 2023, the average hourly earnings for ``production and 
non-supervisory employees'' in construction rose 5.1%. Meanwhile the 
average for hourly workers in the private sector rose 4.3% (Appendix 
Table 3).

Construction companies face difficulty hiring and maintaining workers

    The construction industry's labor shortages remain severe with most 
construction firms expecting labor conditions to remain tight. Despite 
firms increasing pay and benefits, the workforce shortage continues.
    A 2023 AGC survey found 93% of construction firms report they have 
open positions they are trying to fill. Among those firms, 90% are 
having trouble filling at least some of those positions--particularly 
among the craft workforce that performs the bulk of onsite construction 
work. While finding qualified workers remains a challenge, the survey 
does show that contractors are optimistic, particularly with road, 
bridge, and transportation construction.
    The industry is facing the effects of decades of policies directing 
students to attend four-year institutions as the only career option. 
For every dollar the federal government invests in career or workforce 
education, it spends five encouraging students to go to a traditional 
four-year college and pursue a ``professional'' career.\4\ That is why 
AGC supports increased funding for Career and Technical Education (CTE) 
funding, as laid out in the Carl D. Perkins Vocational and Technical 
Education (Perkins) Act. Perkins is the primary federal program for 
developing and supporting CTE programs for secondary and post-secondary 
students. Exposing younger individuals to construction skills and 
careers is critical. However, these programs, especially construction 
focused ones, are expensive to operate and administer for local 
schools, as they involve purchasing construction equipment, simulators, 
and tools as well as attracting and retaining instructors. And these 
programs face rising inflationary pressure and lingering pandemic 
impacts.
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    My local AGC chapter created a workforce development division three 
years ago to combat workforce issues we have seen compound upon 
themselves the past few decades. The division is led by a former 
teacher who left the classroom at the opportunity to help students find 
careers outside of the college track. This division has enacted 
multiple initiatives to help students find a path into the skilled 
trades. It starts with clarifying the pathways into the trades that was 
identified as a key piece missing in attracting youth. They are made 
very aware of the requirements to enter college and plenty in the 
school system help students navigate the path to enroll. But this is 
not done for students interested in finding jobs in the trades. 
Secondary schools often present apprenticeship programs, on-the-job-
training options, or trade schools as vague ideas. And students are not 
shown the specific pathway to these alternative, but equally 
worthwhile, options.
    Our workforce division has read construction related books to 
students in kindergarten and 1st grade. They have built mini-toolboxes 
and birdhouses with students in 2nd and 3rd grades. We fund and 
organize CTE career exploration days for school districts that 
highlight the CTE options available in the local high school for 5th 
and 6th grade, before kids even really think about their high school 
schedule. We then check back in with kids in 7th and 8th grade and 
start talking about specific careers rather than skillsets. In the high 
schools, we are invited to give presentations showing how kids can take 
what they are learning in their CTE classes and turn those into a 
career.
    We are involved with our community college programs that help 
support construction as well as have partnered to start programs not 
offered but that support careers desperately in need. Finally, our 
workforce division in our local AGC chapter has a strong relationship 
with the construction management and engineering programs at University 
of Wyoming (UW). Our members host their students as interns in the 
summer to provide real life work experience to support their classroom 
learning. A few of us from AGC of Wyoming are invited to UW to give 
industry insight presentations and we are represented on their advisory 
boards.
    All of this is to highlight that to solve this workforce problem, 
the AGC of Wyoming has created a long game strategy that is only three 
years old. We are already starting to see it make a difference in 
recruiting high school graduates from trades programs into our industry 
and hope that as these partnerships continue and we continue to support 
our schools and CTE teachers, we can create the kind of pipeline that 
provides well-paying careers to Wyoming citizens and helps Wyoming 
contractors meet the states construction demands.

The outlook for construction in 2024 is mixed

    AGC recently released the survey results from its members on the 
economic outlook for construction, A Construction Market in Transition: 
The 2024 Construction Hiring and Business Outlook.\5\ Demand for 
different types of projects is changing. Respondents to this year's 
Outlook survey are less confident about growth prospects for many 
market segments than they were a year ago. They are most optimistic 
about a range of public-sector market segments, including water and 
sewer projects, transportation, federal, and bridge and highway work. 
Conversely, they predict private sector demand will be less robust for 
segments like manufacturing and multifamily residential and will 
decline for lodging, retail, and private office construction.
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    While contractors remain mostly upbeat, their top worries for 2024 
include fears about the impacts of higher interest rates on demand for 
construction and the risk that the economy could enter a recession. In 
addition to these new worries, contractors remain concerned about 
workforce shortages and their impact on construction prices and 
schedules. Contractors continue to see projects being delayed--
sometimes indefinitely--because of rising costs, slower schedules, and 
shrinking demand for the finished products.

 III. Regulatory Burdens Create Uncertainty and Further Increase Costs
 
Confusion surrounding new Build America, Buy America Act (BABAA) 
  requirements
        
    As you know, the IIJA included new Buy America requirements. This 
legislation significantly broadened domestic sourcing requirements for 
infrastructure projects receiving federal aid. While AGC supports 
efforts to enhance American manufacturing capabilities, it is 
imperative that such efforts be implemented with clarity and without 
imposing undue burdens on those responsible for procuring materials in 
the construction of our nation's infrastructure.
    Unfortunately, the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) 
implementation process, commencing with preliminary guidance on April 
18, 2022, and culminating in the final guidance released on August 23, 
2023, has been characterized by hasty implementation processes and 
requirements that were inadequately considering existing manufacturing 
capabilities, material delivery times, and the administrative changes 
necessary to comply with the new mandates.\6\ \7\
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    The recent Requests for Information (RFI), issued by various 
agencies, including the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the Department of Housing 
and Urban Development (HUD), exemplifies how the Administration has 
imposed requirements on states and contractors without a comprehensive 
understanding of the availability of various manufactured products 
essential to infrastructure construction.\8\ Although BABAA 
requirements have been incorporated into contracts since May 14, 2022, 
federal agencies are still in the information gathering phase, as 
evidenced by activities like this RFI occurring as recently as last 
month.
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    The Administration is always quick to point to the waiver process 
outlined in BABAA and how it has 15 days to approve or reject waivers. 
However, OMB's implementation of the waiver process and historical 
precedent with waivers tells a different story. AGC is concerned that 
this system will result in project delays or incentivize the use of 
substandard materials.
    For example, FHWA posted a waiver for comment on August 28, 2023, 
that was submitted by the Illinois Department of Transportation (ILDOT) 
for non-domestic pumps. However, the waiver was submitted by ILDOT to 
FHWA on May 21, 2021. How are U.S. DOT and the White house supposed to 
determine if there are domestic manufacturers or not if the public is 
not made aware of the waiver request for nearly two and a half years?
    Furthermore, a memorandum released by OMB on October 25, 2023, 
mandates that federal agencies notify and consult with the Made in 
America Office before posting proposed waivers for public comment.\9\ 
This additional requirement is poised to further extend the timeline 
between a project stakeholder's waiver request and the public's 
opportunity to comment on its necessity.
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    It is important that all Buy America waivers get equal treatment 
whether it is for an electric vehicle charger, a transit system, or a 
roadway project. Likewise, the waiver process must be depoliticized. If 
a waiver is granted, it does not mean that the Trump Administration or 
Biden Administration does not care about domestic manufacturing or 
American jobs; it means that they also care about American construction 
jobs and want to rebuild America's infrastructure as promised under the 
IIJA.
    Again, AGC is supportive of efforts to expand domestic 
manufacturing efforts and its members help build those manufacturing 
projects. However, we are concerned that reality of the timeline 
necessary to attract and build a stronger domestic manufacturing sector 
will come at the expense of construction jobs because of project delays 
caused by an opaque, politicized, and lengthy waiver process.

Greenhouse Gas Performance Measure

    At the end of 2023, FHWA finalized a rule to establish a greenhouse 
gas performance measure. During debate of the IIJA and prior surface 
transportation laws, Congress considered proposals that would provide 
FHWA with the authority to create a performance measure on greenhouse 
gas emissions but ultimately rejected them. AGC believes \10\ that this 
greenhouse gas performance measure would be a one-size-fits-all mandate 
that would limit a state's ability to choose transportation projects 
that fit its unique needs.
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    While FHWA keeps touting that there are no explicit penalties for 
states that fail to meet their targets, the rule does state that 
``State DOTs and MPOs that set a declining target but fail to achieve 
their targets can satisfy regulatory requirements by documenting the 
actions they will take to achieve that target in their next biennial 
report.'' It goes on to say states must ``provide data-supported 
explanations for not achieving significant progress, and their plan to 
achieve said progress in the future.'' AGC believes that states will 
have to explain to FHWA how they will reduce carbon dioxide emissions--
i.e., make climate-friendly project selections at the behest of road 
and bridge projects.
    This new rule will make it challenging for a state like Wyoming to 
connect people to jobs, healthcare, and education. The transportation 
needs faced by Americans living in urban areas are not the same as 
those living in rural parts of the country. Requiring New York to 
invest in the New York City subway or build more bike lanes rather than 
a roadway project might work for the transportation needs of their 
state. In Wyoming, these climate-friendly projects are usually 
impractical and inefficient.

Disadvantaged Business Enterprise (DBE) Program

    As you know, the DBE program was originally established by 
regulation in 1980.\11\ It plays a pivotal role in fostering diversity 
and inclusion in the construction industry by ensuring that certified 
small businesses owned and controlled by socially and economically 
disadvantaged individuals can compete for federally funded highway, 
public transit, and airport projects. In the years since it was 
established, Congress included provisions in certain transportation 
laws, including most recently the IIJA, that created goals for a 
certain amount of federal funding to be expended through DBEs.
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    U.S. DOT is currently finalizing a new rule on the DBE Program. AGC 
represents DBE and non-DBE firms and has identified \12\ many areas of 
agreement on how to improve the DBE program. For example, we are 
pleased that U.S. DOT is proposing to increase the personal net worth 
cap and exclude retirement assets from the calculation. DBE firms 
should be able to grow without punishing the owner of the company for 
planning for retirement. Likewise, we are pleased that the U.S. DOT is 
taking steps to streamline the interstate certification process. This 
will enable these small companies to focus more of their time and 
resources on running their construction companies and not forcing them 
to spend time on a duplicative paperwork process.
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    AGC supports better alignment of the DBE program with the federal 
small business program under the Small Business Act. However, AGC warns 
U.S. DOT against a wholesale substitution of the existing rules for DBE 
size determination with that of the U.S. Small Business 
Administration's (SBA) without careful consideration and study.
    AGC believes that U.S. DOT should ensure that DBE availability and 
capacity in an area does not diminish, which would undermine efforts to 
achieve programmatic goals. That is why AGC supports aligning the DBE 
statutory size standard--currently capped at $28.48 million gross 
annual revenue--with NAICS code 237310 (Highway, Street, and Bridge 
Construction) \13\ that sets a $45 million cap and is revised for 
industry trends and inflation at least every five years by the SBA.
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    And, rather than limiting DBEs to certain sub-sizes as specialty 
contractors--as NAICS codes for specialty contractors are generally 
capped at a $19 million gross annual revenue threshold--AGC supports 
maintaining just the one singular code and its accompanying threshold 
to avoid administrative confusion that could lead to DBEs being 
prematurely removed from the program. Also, DBE contractors can work as 
prime contractors on some transportation construction contracts and 
specialty contractors (i.e., subcontractors) on others. That 
flexibility maximizes their opportunity to bid on and win federally 
assisted transportation construction contracts. Such a change is not 
unprecedented. In fact, Congress enacted this approach in section 150 
of the Federal Aviation Administration Act of 2018 for that mode's DBE 
program.
    As it stands, however, NAICS codes for the specialty construction 
sector were designed for vertical building construction, not 
transportation construction contractors. These codes do not account for 
the fact that in transportation construction, jobsites can span many 
miles and require more heavy equipment than for constructing a 
building. For example, to face a cap of $19 million can be especially 
challenging for a structural steel contractor that specializes in 
bridge work, as steel remains at elevated prices, is a ubiquitous 
material in bridges and whose placement requires significant investment 
in heavy equipment.
    Instead of allowing room for DBE contractors to grow, the current 
size requirement is handicapping their success. Instead of making it 
easier for prime contractors to utilize specialty DBE firms, it is 
making it more difficult. Finally, it is making it harder for states to 
meet or even exceed their DBE goals by limiting the work these DBE 
firms are able to perform. AGC looks forward to working with Congress 
and U.S. DOT to address the unintended consequences of the current use 
of NAICS codes in transportation construction.
    From Reiman Corp perspective we struggle to obtain our Highway 
Departments DBE goals because of the low number of DBEs who actually 
bid and perform work for us in the state. Many of our DBEs are only 
capable of performing a few projects a year. Another obstacle for many 
of our DBEs is that they are small businesses with limited office 
personnel and struggle to fill out and compile the federal paperwork 
for the projects.

Implementing Environmental Review and Permitting Reforms

    Infrastructure funding has historically been a major roadblock for 
infrastructure projects to break ground. While recent investments in 
infrastructure have largely appeased that concern, there are other 
challenges that exist.
    AGC believes a great way to maximize federal investment in 
infrastructure would be to fully implement the environmental review and 
permitting reforms that have been passed by congress in the IIJA and 
the Fiscal Responsibility Act. The complicated operations of these 
current laws and the intersection of their requirements can delay 
projects that would improve the overall safety and efficiency of the 
surface transportation system. By implementing these provisions, we 
believe the time and costs associated with delivering projects will be 
reduced without jeopardizing environmental protections.
    The White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) has 
implemented a few permitting efficiencies directed by Congress in the 
Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023--like setting deadlines and page 
limits for agencies' reviews and adding a process for a federal agency 
to use another agency's categorical exclusion.
    Unfortunately, CEQ also added new language that would undercut 
important modifications made in the past specifically aimed at limiting 
the endless analysis of unquantifiable environmental harms and benefits 
and, conversely, introduce ``innovative approaches to NEPA'' that 
direct National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) reviews toward the 
Biden Administration priorities of climate change and environmental 
justice.
    AGC is concerned that CEQ's changes add bureaucratic steps in an 
already onerous and slow process, require more time-consuming analyses, 
and increase litigation risk for project decisions. Additionally, the 
association is concerned that the changes will encourage agencies to 
impose requirements that go beyond CEQ regulations and would slow 
agency decision-making and discourage the transformational investments 
needed across the economy.
    Federal agencies are not just making changes to NEPA, they are 
systematically reversing all streamlining reforms from recent years as 
well as introducing additional requirements that will delay projects. 
This can be seen in the major permitting programs such as Clean Water 
Act section 404 permitting, section 401 water quality certifications, 
threatened and endangered species, and migratory birds.
    The promises to deliver timely and sorely needed infrastructure 
under the IIJA and the Inflation Reduction Act will be significantly 
challenged if projects are delayed and, in turn, face steep cost 
increases that block their construction. These delays will make it 
harder to achieve climate change goals, to make infrastructure more 
resilient, and to better prepare and protect communities from natural 
disasters, especially disadvantaged communities.

                 IV. Results of Infrastructure Spending
                 
IIJA Funds Have Been Mostly Used for Repaving and Repairs
    
    When Congress debated and passed the IIJA, they got it right by 
prioritizing long term certainty and an increase in funding. This gives 
states and construction companies long-term certainty to plan for major 
projects. This contrasts with the American Recovery and Reinvestment 
Act of 2009 which provided a one-time infusion of funds and prioritize 
projects that were ``shovel ready.'' \14\ As a result, that legislation 
did not lead to major infrastructure projects being completed.
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    From a construction standpoint, our members report that most of the 
IIJA funding to date has been for much needed repairs and repaving of 
roadways. While our members are hard at work rebuilding the nation's 
infrastructure, it's also crucial to recognize that the current focus 
on repairs and reconstruction in the early stages of IIJA are partly 
due to the intricate nature of initiating significant new projects. 
Unlike repair and reconstruction efforts that can more swiftly address 
existing infrastructure issues, large-scale projects often necessitate 
an extended period in the design phase and working their way through 
environmental reviews and permitting processes. As evidenced by AGC's 
2024 Construction Outlook Survey, transportation contractors are very 
optimistic that there will be a large number of construction projects 
breaking ground soon.\15\
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    While often hailed as historic, IIJA should not be viewed as a 
singular achievement but rather as a model for future funding. If 
Congress had not passed the IIJA, contractors engaged in civil 
construction would likely have seen a cut of 20-30% in the work they 
were able to bid on. The sustained commitment to long-term certainty 
and increased funding provided by the IIJA sets a precedent for 
proactive planning and execution of major projects. By making this 
level of investment a recurring norm, Congress can ensure a continuous 
pipeline of infrastructure improvements, fostering economic growth and 
bolstering the resilience of the nation's vital transportation systems.

Provide Flexibility to States to Meet their Transportation Needs

    Secretary Buttigieg stated,\16\ ``No one understands a community's 
needs better than those who live there.'' AGC agrees that U.S. DOT must 
continue to provide state and local governments with the flexibility to 
address and prioritize their unique transportation needs as Congress 
intends. As each area of our country is diverse and unique, so are the 
transportation needs of each community. When standardized 
transportation solutions do not work in a community, too often the 
contractor gets blamed despite usually not being involved in project 
selection or the design of a project.
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    Historically, the federal-aid highway program has been federally 
funded and state administered with over 90 percent of the highway 
funding going to states via formula.\17\ This ensures maximum 
flexibility for states to address their transportation needs and allows 
them to ``flex'' funding between programs when necessary. We ask that 
Congress continue to prioritize formula funds and state flexibility in 
future surface transportation reauthorizations.
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    In my state of Wyoming, a total of 17% of our major roads are in 
poor or mediocre condition.\18\ This ends up costing Wyoming motorists 
$151 million a year or $356 per driver in the form of repairs, 
accelerated vehicle depreciation, and increased fuel consumption.\19\ 
In addition, the federal program is essentially the state program. We 
rely so heavily on the formula dollars that are provided in highway 
reauthorizations to repair our roads and bridges that we are barely 
able to provide the non-federal share required for use of these funds.
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                             V. Conclusion
                             
    Construction companies have a mixed outlook for 2024 as 
expectations for demand remain mostly positive, but less upbeat than 
last year amid new challenges.
    While we have not yet seen a large increase in projects to bid on 
as a result of the IIJA, we remain optimistic the robust funding levels 
provided in the law will mean more construction projects breaking 
ground in the next few years.
    The IIJA provides market opportunities for transportation 
contractors, heavy contractors, building contractors and utility 
contractors. And most importantly, it demonstrates to our existing and 
future workforce that there is sustainable work in the years to come. 
If Congress did not pass the IIJA, the impacts on transportation 
contractors would have been significant with likely a cut of 20 to 30% 
in projects by the states.
    I thank the Committee for the opportunity to testify today and 
appreciate its continued efforts to help improve our nation's 
infrastructure via enacting policies that create good paying jobs in 
America. I look forward to answering any questions you may have.

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    Mr. Rouzer. Well, thank you so much, Ms. Benford, and thank 
you to each for your testimony.
    We now turn to questions from the panel. I will recognize 
myself for 5 minutes for questions. And as usual, I have more 
questions than there is time, so, I will try to shoot through 
this.
    For each of you, the attacks on the cargo vessels in the 
Red Sea and the ripple effect on the global supply chain, what 
impacts have you noted in your industry since the beginning of 
these attacks?
    Mr. Edwards.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you, Chairman. The initial impact is the 
delay in vessels arriving, both in Asia and coming back to the 
United States, and the redeployment of ships to cover those 
slots elsewhere.
    So, international ocean carriers are rescheduling all of 
their ships and coming around Africa. There is a short-term 
effect to that, as everybody replaces ships into the schedule. 
It will settle into a pattern of ships being in a longer 
transit. And in the case of Southeast Asia to the east coast, 
that will be probably 7 days in each direction of a longer 
transit. It is, of course, more acute for exporting into the 
Middle East or exporting into the Indian subcontinent. And with 
that scarcity of supply of assets is undoubtedly going to come 
some higher prices to users of those ocean carrier services.
    So, I think we should also recognize that the fastest 
growth in trade in the last few years has been the Indian 
subcontinent and Southeast Asia, as people have moved to an 
Altasia supply base. So, it is challenging, one of the highest 
growth areas within our trade.
    Mr. Rouzer. So, that extra 7 days, does that equate to 20 
percent in extra costs, 30 percent, 10 percent? And do you have 
a roundabout figure?
    Mr. Edwards. I do not. The actual time, depending on the 
individual circumstances, you can take the view on current fuel 
prices that the extra 7 days can be offset by the loss of the 
Suez Canal fees. That is not true for Asia-Mediterranean or 
Asia-North Europe.
    And of course, the scarcity of assets, you would have to 
ask the ocean carrier on an individual basis. Some can fill 
those gaps, some cannot.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Millar, do you have any thoughts on this?
    Mr. Millar. Mr. Chair, it is an emerging issue that has yet 
to impact us, but we are certainly tracking it. And our concern 
is cost escalation.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Tucker?
    Mr. Tucker. Mr. Chair, another association that I represent 
as a committee chair is the National Industrial Transportation 
League. And I spoke to the league yesterday about this, and it 
is a concern because of the long time it takes to move around 
Africa, if that is the direction you are going.
    The other concern is that there are special fees that are 
being granted the ocean liners by the FMC. And there is just 
some concern among shippers that maybe those fees are not 
always applicable to the situation. And nothing specific that 
they can necessarily point to, but there is a concern there 
that they would love a little bit of oversight and explanation 
around.
    Mr. Rouzer. Ms. Benford?
    Ms. Benford. I would echo Secretary Millar's words that 
this is something that we will be watching. When the supply 
chain does have disruptions, we will usually see effects of it, 
but at this time, we are not.
    Mr. Rouzer. So, as the committee begins to develop the next 
proposal to reauthorize our Nation's surface transportation 
programs, can each of you provide a few priorities--let's say 
one or two--that this committee should consider to ensure 
infrastructure investments contribute to the overall economic 
development, safety, and prosperity of the country?
    Mr. Edwards, I will start back with you.
    Mr. Edwards. Certainly, Mr. Chairman. I would ask first 
that you move forward on the Water Resources Development Act, 
in particular, for the navigation of channels. That is critical 
to most ports. I would say that there are--just about every 
coastal port has some dredging requirements going forward, and 
we, in particular, have some requirements within the Water 
Resources Development Act for some authorizations, as well. So, 
that would be the first one.
    I think the second one that I would take is really--just to 
allow the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to be acted on 
quickly--are areas where we need to modernize, in particular on 
NEPA and in particular with the Maritime Administration, where, 
by example, the Maritime Administration has not updated its 
categorical exclusion since 1985. There is a need for 
modernization.
    Mr. Rouzer. Real quickly, Mr. Millar.
    Mr. Millar. Safety, sir. Safety, safety, safety. The 
combined budgets of the 52 DOTs in the United States is about 
$200 billion a year. Crashes cost our economy $1.4 trillion a 
year, seven times the combined budgets of all the DOTs. If you 
are going to invest in something that would pay a return to the 
economy in the reauthorization, I would strongly suggest 
safety.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Tucker and Ms. Benford, I have got about 30 
seconds.
    Mr. Tucker. I echo the secretary's response, except with 
regard to fraud. And really, this committee encouraging FMCSA 
to work on safety, safety, safety, and less on commercial 
terms.
    Mr. Rouzer. Ms. Benford?
    Ms. Benford. I would say maintain the formula funding to 
sustain flexibility for our States to utilize funds in the best 
way that they need.
    Mr. Rouzer. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Larsen, you are recognized.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thank you, Chair.
    And sort of following on that last question from the chair, 
I want to start with a kind of basic question: Is it too early 
to start thinking about the next infrastructure bill?
    Secretary Millar.
    Mr. Millar. Mr. Larsen, I started thinking about the bill 
the moment the President signed the last bill.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Give us time, man.
    Mr. Millar. It is not too late to start thinking about 
authorization.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Too early.
    Mr. Millar. We are fortunate that the Congress, in its 
wisdom, has a multiyear authorization in the transportation 
space. But the ramping-up for a sustained level of investment 
requires more than 5 years. It requires--it takes generations. 
We are asking contractors to invest in equipment. We are asking 
consulting firms to staff up and buy materials and the like. 
Knowing that there is going to be a robust and sustained level 
of Federal commitment in the transportation space enables us to 
do our job better and more efficiently for the people we serve.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. We have had that issue every time 
we have tried to do reauthorization. I am glad we were able to 
do it, but perhaps, Ms. Benford, you can talk a little bit 
about your comment with regards to--this is not a quote, but I 
will just try to paraphrase--we are just now starting to be 
able to invest as contractors in the longer term, in the 
rebuild, as opposed to just the repair.
    Ms. Benford. Right. So, currently, a lot of these projects 
are in design, right? So, we haven't seen a lot of them come 
out to bid. And so, we are really expecting that this will hit 
us in the next year, as contractors, to bid this work. And then 
it will be a 5- to 6-year process for us to complete this work.
    And I think it is important. No, it is not too soon to 
start thinking about another bill because, as the secretary 
mentioned, we are working really hard to ramp up our workforce, 
and there is a lot of excitement in our industry right now as 
they see that there is a sustainable amount of work for them to 
complete. And so, I think it would be beneficial to let the 
workforce know that it is a long-term game, not just this next 
5 to 10 years.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Yes, I know--and this is signed--
the President said this is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. 
I would like to think, like, this is a pretty boring, once 
every 5- to 6-year opportunity that we just routinely do, as 
opposed to every generation. So, hopefully we can get to that 
point.
    Mr. Tucker, from a supply chain perspective, how would you 
characterize the BIL, and specific areas that are perhaps where 
the TIA is looking at?
    Mr. Tucker. Sure. I hesitate to sound like a broken record, 
but again, some of the issues with regard to safety----
    Mr. Larsen of Washington [interrupting]. Repetition is not 
a bad thing.
    Mr. Tucker. Yes, yes, so----
    Mr. Larsen of Washington [interrupting]. It takes us a 
while to absorb what you all are hearing, and hearing it over 
and over again is a good thing.
    Mr. Tucker. Former Administrator Anne Ferro appointed me 
once to a committee helping FMCSA, so, I got to really know and 
appreciate. And one of my good industry friends is a former 
Administrator of FMCSA, so, I got to know and like and 
appreciate the people there. But I think from time to time, 
what happens in Washington, they get clouded by lots of 
different ideas that may or may not be important or relevant to 
safety. So, that is that is a concern.
    But specific to your question, and specific to 
infrastructure, I will tell you that what we are seeing is--and 
I don't know how many Members here have been to the border, to 
Laredo, the crossing. I have been there, I toured it, and it is 
a heck of a thing.
    But I am here to tell you, too, that there is a tremendous 
amount of manufacturing being brought back to the Americas, in 
particular to Mexico, due to all of our tensions with China, 
all of the concerns around single point of failures with regard 
to critical goods that we were only buying from China. So, that 
crossing, all of the Mexican crossings, are going to be--that 
is--talk about a generational thing, that is happening right 
now. And we all know how much freight came from China and the 
Far East. A lot more of it is going to be coming through the 
borders. And of course, we have security concerns there, as 
well.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Thanks. I would note by 
Washington you mean Washington, DC, and not the great State of 
Washington.
    Mr. Tucker. Not the great State, no.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Where we have no problems.
    Mr. Tucker. Thank you for the clarification.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Sure.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. Mr. Edwards, you mentioned the 
Water Resources Development Act, and we are going to be moving 
on that fairly soon here. From a broader perspective, what 
would you want us to know about passing WRDA 2024?
    Mr. Edwards. I think we asked the question about what next 
on BIL, from a funding perspective. I believe there is about 
$5.2 billion for ports within the Infrastructure Investment and 
Jobs Act. That is more money than has ever gone into the port 
sector from the Federal Government. So, this is a generational 
opportunity for ports to make their upgrades.
    I do believe that certain parts of that will have to 
continue over a significant amount of time, particularly as we 
look at energy hubs. Energy hubs are somewhat new for a number 
of port sectors, and it will require multiyear--we are going to 
have to be pretty strict at sticking to the task to make those 
energy hubs work.
    Mr. Larsen of Washington. That's great. Thanks. Thanks so 
much.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Crawford.
    Mr. Crawford. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The Federal Highway Administration recently released a 
final rule to require States and metropolitan planning 
organizations to establish a new performance measure with 
declining targets for carbon dioxide emissions attributed to 
the National Highway System. It pursued that rule, despite the 
fact that they didn't have the authority to do so. In fact, 
that was considered and rejected in IIJA negotiations.
    Further, the Federal Highway Administration also rejected 
concerns about that issue from rural America. It seems like 
rural States, where the largest cities are, by comparison, 
small towns, you can't meaningfully reduce carbon emissions by 
building a subway or a bus rapid transit system to attempt to 
reduce commuter automobile traffic, even if it was affordable. 
I live in a town, the biggest town in my district. It is almost 
80,000. That is a pretty small town, by most people's 
definition. Even though we have a Starbucks, we are still not a 
full-fledged metropolitan area.
    So, my question is to Ms. Benford: Do you feel this new 
regulation will impact your ability to deliver projects?
    Ms. Benford. Yes, I would agree with that. We do feel that 
the Federal Highway Administration chose to treat each State as 
the same.
    And I will echo your words. I am from Wyoming. Emissions 
are a fraction of the amount of carbon dioxide emissions 
compared to more populated States that we produce, and so, we 
are concerned what that impact will be on our DOT, what 
projects they will have to limit to try and meet those 
standards.
    Same for us, we don't have subways. Bike paths between our 
communities would be hundreds of miles. And with the weather, 
extreme weather that we have, just an example: from Cheyenne to 
Laramie, 45 miles, and you could leave Cheyenne at a 70-degree 
temperature, go over the pass, and it could be 30 degrees and 
snowing. So, a bike path in these types of communities would 
not be relevant.
    Mr. Crawford. So, I think you answered my question in your 
comments there, but let me ask this. Are you concerned the 
administration will actually use this rule as a roundabout way 
to influence project selection?
    Ms. Benford. Yes.
    Mr. Crawford. Yes, that is my concern, as well. I want to 
stay with you for just a second here, Ms. Benford.
    The administration is requiring project labor agreements, 
and we are hearing about that from contractors, the potential 
for slowing down the construction process and so on. Can you 
talk about how that may be impacting your ability to get things 
done?
    Ms. Benford. So, I am aware that PLAs are being impacted. 
We do not do direct Federal contract work, so, it is not 
something that is impacting us currently.
    Mr. Crawford. Broadly speaking, is that an issue that 
affects your membership?
    Ms. Benford. Yes.
    Mr. Crawford. And how so?
    Ms. Benford. I think people are concerned about how it will 
affect the way that they do work and limit the way they do 
work.
    Mr. Crawford. Not long ago, Secretary Buttigieg was 
testifying before this committee. I made a point of asking him 
about the glacially slow pace of awarding grants. Earlier this 
month, Eno Transportation published a story highlighting that 
issue. It read in part, ``While new appropriations and new 
grant selection press releases have gone up, the rate at which 
U.S. DOT and selectees have been able to negotiate and execute 
grant agreements has actually gone down.''
    One culprit seems to be the increased construction costs, 
essentially because grant application processes take so much 
time. A project often ends up costing more than the original 
projection by the time a sponsor learns that it has actually 
been selected for a grant. I think that is very concerning, 
when we consider how inflation has driven up construction 
costs.
    In your experience, Ms. Benford, have you noticed a delay 
in DOT's rollout of its grant programs?
    Ms. Benford. So, Wyoming actually doesn't get to 
participate in a lot of the discretionary grants because we 
actually struggle to match the Federal funding. Currently, our 
local AGC chapters are working with our State legislature to 
increase our funding, but--so, that is not something that we 
get to utilize as much as we would like.
    Mr. Crawford. So, in the State of Wyoming, you are kind of 
behind the eight ball simply because you don't have the 
population that can fund the match required to participate in 
some of those grant programs. I get that, but let me ask you 
this. How has inflation impacted construction costs, generally 
speaking?
    Ms. Benford. I would say that it really hasn't. Right now 
we haven't seen the work. Again, this is a 5-year kind of 
rollout. So, inflation really hasn't impacted the IIJA. It has 
impacted the work and the cost of the work, and that is just 
something that you have to pay attention to, you have to be 
planning, you have to schedule to make sure that your materials 
are onsite, and roll out the project as bid.
    Mr. Crawford. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Ms. Norton.
    Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a question for 
Ms. Benford and Secretary Millar.
    A common theme of today's testimony is the need for more 
workers to build and maintain the projects funded by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. I appreciate Mr. 
Millar's testimony regarding the growing participation of 
disadvantaged business enterprises in Washington State, and Ms. 
Benford's discussion of her efforts to teach young students 
about construction sector career opportunities.
    Throughout my service in Congress, I have worked to 
increase workforce development opportunities for District of 
Columbia residents, including helping to establish an 
opportunity center at St. Elizabeths in ward 8 of the District 
of Columbia, and to help residents get jobs and apprenticeships 
at the development of Homeland Security headquarters 
consolidation project.
    The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act included 
significant workforce policy changes, including reinstating 
local hire authority, allowing highway formula funds to be used 
for workforce development, and dedicating funds from every 
zero-emission bus grant for worker training.
    Mr. Millar and Ms. Benford, as well, beyond what we have 
done in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, what else 
should the committee be doing to support workforce development?
    Mr. Millar. Thank you for the question, Ms. Norton. In 
Washington State, we have a robust pre-apprenticeship support 
services program that we are funding with State revenue today. 
I would love to use Federal revenue in that space, but we have 
more flexibility with our State revenue.
    We are working with community colleges. We are working with 
ministerial alliances. We are working with Native American 
Tribes. We are working with labor unions. We are working with 
contractors on getting people into the construction workforce.
    And that pre-apprenticeship support services work we do, 
the one I am most proud of right now is something we did called 
Youth Direct, where we partnered with the Ironworkers Union. We 
took young men and women who were aging out of juvenile justice 
and foster care. When they turn 18, they would typically go out 
on the street. When they turned 18, these men and women came 
into our pre-apprenticeship support services program, and after 
4 weeks, they graduated on a Friday. On Monday, they were 
apprentice ironworkers, and we provided them with first and 
last month's rent and a security deposit so they had a good-
paying job and a place to live. It costs us about $2,500 per 
individual--$2,500 per individual--to run them through that 
program, which we got a little criticism for. And I like to 
point out to the critics that that is a lot less than it costs 
to be a guest of our department of corrections on an annual 
basis.
    So, we know what we need to do. We need more and more 
flexible resources to do more work in that space. It is helping 
those individuals, and it is providing critical staffing for 
our contractors, for our maintenance crews at our agency, and 
elsewhere in the construction sector.
    Ms. Norton. Ms. Benford?
    Ms. Benford. As a woman in this industry, the diversity 
topic is very dear to me. I can tell you that both the AGC and 
local chapters have taken on different ways to take on this 
challenge.
    The culture of care is one that the AGC of America has 
taken on, which really helps us contractors determine how to 
create an environment in the construction industry that 
everyone feels accepted. And I think--keep echoing that this is 
something that we need to do, right, and what you can all do 
for us is make sure that we have the flexibility to do what is 
right in our State, because not one policy fits every single 
State and our workforce.
    Ms. Norton. Mr. Millar, we are in the early stages of a 
transition to zero-emission vehicles. This past summer, the 
national capital region's transit agency received a $104 
million grant from this Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. 
Mr. Millar, what additional actions should Congress take to 
smooth the transition to zero-emission vehicles?
    Mr. Millar. Ms. Norton, I think the actions you have taken 
in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, just sustaining that, is 
the important thing to do.
    We are seeing more electric vehicle charging stations being 
installed. We are working with the trucking industry on 
electric vehicles and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. We are 
creating corridors, working with our colleagues in Oregon and 
Washington. We have a zero-emission vehicle corridor on the 
Interstate 5 corridor, we are putting a heavy truck corridor in 
place in addition to that.
    So, it is sustaining the effort over multiple acts is what 
is going to do it for us.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentlelady's time has expired.
    Mr. Webster.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for 
holding this topical hearing as we head into the new year. This 
is great.
    Currently, most of the major infrastructure funds are 
invested in projects not in the United States, outside the 
United States. The largest opportunity for infrastructure 
investment is in another country globally, not here. And 
therefore--and that is because of--there are some regulatory 
issues, but also the fact that we just don't have an 
infrastructure bank. And that is a shame. Consequently, the 
United States runs a risk of getting behind, if we are not 
already falling, and maybe falling further behind our friends 
and our foes in the area of infrastructure.
    I, along with Congressman Allred, filed a bill called H.R. 
490, which is the Federal Infrastructure Bank Act, and it would 
establish a Federal infrastructure bank. The funds don't have 
anything to do with the Federal Government, State government, 
or local government. It is all private money, and it is 
privately financed, nationally chartered, though.
    It is a wholesale bank, and the funds could be used for 
infrastructure projects with no cost to the taxpayer. It's just 
an idea, it's not the solution, it's just an idea of new money. 
It would fund domestic projects that would otherwise not have 
been funded. We see it as a fantastic opportunity to do 
something a little different, to take a lot of the money that 
is spent overseas and maybe bring it back to the United States 
and make it a more competitive, worldwide approach.
    Let's see, Ms. Benford, could your company and others like 
it benefit from enhanced private investment of our national 
infrastructure dollars?
    Ms. Benford. Can you restate that question? Sorry.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Could your company benefit from the 
investment of new private infrastructure dollars?
    Ms. Benford. So, we did benefit from the Federal dollars, 
yes. We also do benefit from private, as we do a lot of 
commercial work and civil work in our community.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Mr. Edwards, can you see the same 
thing in ports?
    Mr. Edwards. I believe, Congressman, both in the port 
sector--the source of funds on how we bond our money or how we 
leverage our opportunities, we are always welcoming another 
source of money if there is a lower cost of money. So, it 
really will come down to the cost of money at the end of the 
day, because I wouldn't see it necessarily as a change of how 
we create our revenue stream, but more a case of how do we 
source money.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Mr. Millar, do you have any 
comments about that?
    Mr. Millar. Congressman, I do not know the specifics of 
your bill. Any new tools in the toolbox are welcome.
    I often look at the difference between financing and 
funding. It's one thing to have a good financing tool, but I 
need funding to make that financing tool work for me.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Yes, well, I guess that's the name 
of the game, right, is the money, where is the money.
    Mr. Millar. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Yes. So, Mr. Tucker, do you have 
any comments?
    Mr. Tucker. Representative Webster, TIA is always looking 
for and open to new ideas for increasing the spending and 
investment. We feel--and while we are entirely grateful for the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, we would love to see 
more, more done.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Yes.
    Mr. Tucker. I don't know the specifics of your bill, like 
the secretary, but we are always open for new and innovative 
ideas.
    Mr. Webster of Florida. Yes. Well, the biggest difference 
is the infrastructure bill that we have now is our money, 
Federal money, State money, and so forth. This bill would be 
private money. No investment by any Government entity, and no 
responsibility to finish a project that possibly couldn't be 
finished. And so, it's a little bit different, but it is new 
money.
    Well, anyway, time has run out. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman yields back. Mrs. Napolitano, you 
are recognized.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Secretary Millar, California and Washington are very 
similar in dealing with impacts of cross-state rail and truck 
traffic on local communities.
    My district specifically has some of the largest trucking 
and rail corridors in the country. Grade crossing projects and 
projects that improve commuter experience with less interaction 
with trucks are very important in my community.
    How necessary are grade crossing safety projects and 
commuter projects that address the combined truck corridors?
    And can you give examples of what Washington has done to 
improve the commuter experience in rail in the freight 
corridors, and how effective have the Federal grade crossing 
elimination and freight programs been? What can be done better?
    Mr. Millar. Thank you for that question, Congresswoman.
    Freight logistics is hugely important to Washington State. 
We are a trade-centric economy, with the Ports of Seattle and 
Tacoma and other ports, and a lot of north-south truck and rail 
traffic, a lot of east-west truck and rail traffic.
    The grade crossing safety funding that we receive from the 
Federal Government is invested statewide in making our system 
safer. We have a great partner with our Class I's with 
Burlington Northern and Union Pacific. We put together a grade 
crossing plan for the entire State. We identified the top 50, 
and we are funding them and getting those crossings 
accommodated.
    We are also working on the issue of truck parking. With the 
new rules, the electronic logs and the like, we have truckers 
pulling over to the side of the road outside of our major urban 
areas looking for a place to stop and take that mandatory 
break. We don't have enough places for them to park, and local 
governments are resistant to permitting additional places for 
truckers to park. So, we are identifying spaces in the public 
sector. We are talking with cities and counties and others--
including our ports and our shippers--about safe places to 
park.
    We actually had to pass a law in Washington State requiring 
receivers of freight to allow the truckdrivers to use the 
restrooms in their facilities because they were not being 
allowed. We are entirely dependent on trucking to move goods 
and services in our communities, but we are not treating the 
truckers with the respect that they need to become a part of 
that community.
    We have worked with the University of Washington. We have 
applied a little AI and the like to a predictive truck parking 
model that can give a trucker the likelihood of finding a 
parking space 2 to 4 hours in advance, and we are expanding 
that work. We have a grant application in partnering with the 
States of Oregon and California to look at a predictive truck 
parking model for the I-5 corridor.
    So, there is a lot going on in that space.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, sir. Again, in your testimony 
you discussed the importance of the Federal Government's 
support to States for a national EV charging program. 
Washington, Oregon, and California are working collectively on 
the West Coast Electric Highway program. Can you briefly 
discuss the program, how effective is the partnership, and how 
important it is to our local, State, and national 
transportation systems?
    Mr. Millar. Thank you, Congresswoman. The west coast 
electric vehicle highway partnership has been in place for more 
than a decade now. It started with State investment and with 
NEVI. Now we have Federal money going into that program, as 
well. The three States have collaborated in that corridor on 
what our standards are, what the spacing is, how we invest 
public funding and leverage private funding to make that 
happen. It is essentially in place along the I-5 corridor from 
Baja, California, all the way to British Columbia, and we are 
looking at other routes east-west off of that corridor, routes 
like 99 in California and 101.
    So, that work is advancing. We are working now on a heavy 
freight equivalent of that, looking at both battery-electric 
trucking, the Class 8 trucks and the hydrogen fuel cells, being 
able to provide fueling for them. It's emerging. But the 
Federal funding that has come to us has greatly enabled us to 
advance all of those agendas faster than we would be otherwise.
    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you for your answer.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Bost.
    Mr. Bost. Thank you, Chair.
    Mr. Tucker, just for an explanation here, Mr. Collins and I 
are the two people that actually come from the industry. I was 
born and raised in a trucking business. I tell people I came 
home from the Marine Corps, I ran it for 10 years, I loved it 
for 8. And now my brother runs it.
    But we have heard from all over about increasing freight 
fraud. And you mentioned that in your testimony, and basically 
inserted several times in your testimony. This is devastating 
to small businesses and owner-operators, as well. Losing out a 
few thousand dollars can actually put them out of business 
because they work on such a thin margin. Now, not only is it a 
huge problem for small carriers, but it also undermines trust 
and stability throughout the supply chain.
    Now, you mentioned multiple types of fraud, but have you 
seen any action from FMCSA to deter or put a stop to the supply 
chain strain and safety risk of rising freight fraud?
    And when I say that, they insert themselves into the line, 
and you may believe it is a decent broker that you are trying 
to work with, and you may be out somewhere and you are trying 
to get a back haul or whatever, and then all of a sudden you 
get the load, they get the money, and you can't find them. Do 
you see anything that is being done right now to try to deal 
with this in the industry?
    Mr. Tucker. Well, first of all, I heard your and 
Representative Collins' backstory, and you are living the 
dream.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Tucker. So, great question. The short answer is no. But 
if I may clarify, please, I am a freight brokerage. I am not a 
carrier. The fraud I see is more--if I wanted to simplify it, 
oversimplify it, I would say it's carrier fraud. But it 
shouldn't be carrier fraud. This is really important, I think, 
for this committee to understand. It should never be seen as 
carrier fraud. It should not be seen as broker fraud. These are 
just criminals.
    And now, I mentioned earlier in my testimony, too, that we 
move pharmaceuticals. These are multimillion-dollar, one-
pallet-of-freight loads, right? We know that criminal activity 
follows these trucks because they know where the drugs are 
made, and they follow the trucks, and they wait for an 
opportunity.
    So, this is the same kind of individual. It is the same. 
They are just criminals. And they are utilizing FMCSA to maybe 
sign up as a brokerage. They are signing up maybe as a carrier.
    So, please, when we are thinking about this, it is really 
important to be thinking about it as criminals using Government 
agencies to masquerade as someone else. And in some cases, they 
don't even use the agency, they just use a false address. They 
could use my address, and they could pretend to be someone that 
they shouldn't.
    One of the really important things--I go on the radio, I 
talk about this on Road Dog Trucking. And one of the things 
that I talk about any time I talk to an owner-operator is, 
there needs to be more education.
    My grandfather started his business with two retired people 
in an apartment building in New Jersey, and every single person 
from 1961 through today, we do credit checks on. We don't rely 
on a, you know, there has got to be some bond, there has got to 
be something protecting us. We do a credit check, and we turn 
away business that we can't afford to take on because we can't 
trust. So, it is really important that you do all of your 
homework when you are in business, and that is the longer 
answer.
    But FMCSA, no, they need to do way more to help us.
    Mr. Bost. Yes, and the only other conversation I would like 
to have with you, but we don't have time here, is you say there 
isn't a driver shortage. If you are out there dealing with it 
every day, yes, there is.
    And the question I--the only statement I would make towards 
that is--and I have made it in this committee before--it 
doesn't help with all the States that are legalizing marijuana, 
because what happens is, we have a tremendous amount of people 
who might be good drivers, but they would prefer to smoke dope 
on the weekend, and they can't get clean by Monday. It's not 
like having a beer on Sunday during a football game. You pop 
positive for 30 days, and then you are without that driver, or 
you just don't have that driver.
    Mr. Tucker. Yes. I have been I have been fortunate enough 
to be getting and keeping data on the active, for-hire motor 
carriers for 12 years now, and I am one of the only 
organizations that publishes this data on a regular basis. So, 
there are over 1 million more drivers driving today than there 
were in 2011. There are more than two times as many. There are 
about approximately 350,000 motor carriers in business today, 
148,000 in 2011.
    So, generally speaking, there are wicked driver shortages 
if you are a carrier of any large size. But it's because 
drivers follow the American dream. J.B. Hunt was a driver, and 
now it is one of the largest trucking organizations. So, there 
is a spirit of innovation in truck driving, and that is where 
drivers are going.
    Mr. Bost. Thank you for your testimony.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Garamendi.
    Mr. Garamendi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Listening to the 
testimony and the questions, it came to my mind, oh, happy day, 
oh, happy day.
    Here we are, we find ourselves faced with $1.2 trillion to 
invest in infrastructure. And so, the ports can't get it all 
done today. So, there are some complaints, to be sure. The 
States are trying to push the money out, and the contractor is 
faced with a significant increase in contracts available to 
them, so much so that the various materials necessary to build 
the systems become expensive, demand. Oh, happy day, $1.2 
trillion.
    The Water Resources Development Act is moving along. Job 
shortages? No. People to do the jobs? Not available. Happy day. 
People have an opportunity to get a job. There are programs to 
train people. Oh, happy day. It is in the legislation that has 
been passed.
    You think about what has happened over the last 2 years 
with legislation. Yes, we have implementation problems, no 
doubt about it. But those implementation problems are really 
the result of an enormous amount of Federal investment that is 
available for the ports, on the dock, in the water, dredging, 
rail lines, crossings, States flush with money from the Federal 
Government to build the systems.
    But yes, there are implementation problems, and contractors 
faced with significant demand for the goods and the services to 
build the systems. Happy day. Yes, but there is still problems. 
I want to go into one of them.
    I see my colleague, Mr. Johnson, has left at a most 
inopportune moment. Perhaps he will return. But 2 years ago, we 
worked on the Ocean Shipping Reform Act. He's back.
    Hello, Mr. Johnson, I am about to say good things about you 
and the new legislation that we have.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Garamendi. And Mr. Tucker, thank you so very much for 
bringing to our attention the issue of the implementation of 
the Ocean Shipping Reform Act. Again, happy day. A major piece 
of legislation was passed, and now we have to update it. I 
would appreciate if you could comment.
    Well, I guess this is really to the majority party. Mr. 
Johnson, I know you are pushing hard to get this bill off the 
floor so that we can put it into the Coast Guard bill. So, 
let's see what we can do.
    Mr. Tucker, talk to us about the implementation of the 
Ocean Shipping Reform Act and the next steps that are in the 
bill, and thank you very much for your organization endorsing 
the bill. This is 1836.
    Mr. Tucker. Thank you. Before I get too deep, I will quote 
Dirty Harry in saying a man has got to know his limitations. I 
am far more a trucking and surface transportation mind than 
ocean.
    That said, I will let you know that TIA supported the Ocean 
Shipping Reform Act, but, Congressman Garamendi and Congressman 
Johnson, TIA members were hesitant about more Government 
regulations, but welcomed the legislation text about creating a 
definition of unreasonable demurrage and detention fees, and 
trying to reverse the trend of a few ocean carriers using 
retaliatory practices against manufacturers and shippers. These 
shipping laws have not been updated in more than 20 years.
    I also echo your, oh, happy days, because I am old enough 
to remember the years and years and years of continuing 
resolution without vision. So, thank you.
    Mr. Garamendi. Thank you, Mr. Tucker.
    Mr. Edwards, our former chairman, Chairman DeFazio, after 
about 20, maybe almost 30 years, was finally able to take the 
Harbor Maintenance Trust Fund and apply it for more than just 
the harbor itself, but also for the port and the infrastructure 
associated with it.
    So, I am curious about the implementation of that Harbor 
Maintenance Trust Fund and the changes that occurred in WRDA 
2020. The new WRDA is coming up. Do you have recommendations on 
how we might better implement the existing laws and changes in 
the WRDA, the new WRDA that we would be dealing with?
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you, Congressman. I think firstly, we 
were delighted when the changes came forward because we are an 
energy port, and therefore, we can receive harbor maintenance 
tax dollars for the purpose of investing in our hard 
infrastructure.
    Noting the time, what I would comment, I would be happy to 
come back to you in writing, but also say at this time that the 
distribution of those funds perhaps is something we just need 
to free up a little bit so we can get that money to work, and 
we are ready to put it to work.
    Mr. Garamendi. I see my time has expired. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Johnson.
    Mr. Johnson of South Dakota. Thank you, Mr. Rouzer. I talk 
a lot about ports and ocean shipping in this committee. 
Sometimes my colleagues are a little confused by that. 
Regrettably, South Dakota does not have any oceanfront 
property.
    But then, when you look at how globally connected we are, 
little old South Dakota, we export more than $5 billion of 
agricultural products a year. More than 60 percent of our 
soybeans, for example, go overseas. Manufacturing, we export 
more than $2 billion a year. That is, for a State of less than 
1 million people, a lot. It is about $7,600 per person.
    And so, Mr. Edwards, it is certainly the case that what you 
do, what the other ports do, the whole global shipping 
environment does have an impact on South Dakotans, as they do 
on every American. And so, I want to pick up where Mr. 
Garamendi left off.
    A product of this committee, particularly of Mr. Garamendi 
and myself, was the Ocean Shipping Reform Act. The Federal 
Maritime Commission has a couple of very important rules, 
promulgation efforts underway, one on detention and demurrage, 
another on shipping exchanges. First, if you have any comments 
about those proceedings, I would be happy to hear them.
    But other than that, if you have any other areas where you 
think some additional interest by Congress could improve ocean 
shipping, we are all ears.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you, Congressman. What I would say is 
soybeans, by the way, is the largest containerized export from 
the Port of Virginia, as well, just not South Dakotan soybeans; 
it is somebody else's soybeans.
    What I will say on the Ocean Shipping Reform Act changes 
that were placed, and in particular regarding the detention and 
demurrage, we are an operating port, so, we are a marine 
terminal operator, and we believe we operate well within the 
guidelines that are laid out.
    I did take time before I came here today to talk to some of 
the other trade coalitions, and I think the one item that I 
would ask Congress to do is hurry up the Federal Maritime 
Commission. I think it is over a year--I think their guidelines 
were due to come out in June of last year, and we are waiting 
now on the Federal Maritime Commission, and here we are in 
January. So, I think the whole industry is saying, from top to 
bottom, is saying the whole industry wants to abide by what the 
intent of the legislation was. Could the Federal Maritime 
Commission please publish that guideline so that the whole 
industry can then abide by it? I would say that is the most 
important one on detention and demurrage.
    I believe, on the balance of trading, and in particular on 
exports, I am a true believer that the private sector normally 
reacts appropriately in the marketplace. There are times when 
that may not work so well, and I think because as a political 
subdivision, we can take our own action to protect our 
exporters if, by example, imports were overwhelming the supply 
chain, which is what happened during the pandemic in 2021 and 
2022, is where imports could overwhelm the pandemic and the 
exporter could have been harmed.
    I think it is important that ports as a whole realize that 
we are, yes, a for-profit business and we reinvest our profits 
back in, but we are also a public utility in the sense that we 
have to provide that service to the exporter as well as the 
importer. And there is, on a port-by-port basis, that need to 
understand the balance of protecting capacities if one leg is 
particularly clogging up the system.
    Mr. Johnson of South Dakota. So, in that environment, is 
there an area that is particularly weak or worrisome to you 
over the course of, say, the next 10 years?
    I know a lot of ports are making a tremendous investment in 
additional technology to increase their capacity. I think 
people have a deeper understanding of their frailties coming 
out of the pandemic. What worries you now?
    Mr. Edwards. I think, as we deploy technologies and we will 
continue to deploy technologies, we can become smarter and 
smarter as an industry.
    I think the one thing the pandemic taught us is where do 
you put your surge capacity, and who is reacting to that surge 
capacity? And ultimately, if you are going to carry redundancy, 
somebody normally pays for that redundancy. I do believe that 
you are seeing the reaction to that on a port-by-port basis 
across the Nation.
    And I think it is fair to say that we would be foolish if 
we didn't acknowledge that every port competes with every other 
port. We are natural competitors. So, we are businesses, and 
therefore, it is in our own interest to be able to provide 
certain surge or redundant capacity as a whole. And I think my 
own take on that is that in my role as a port. I am not asking 
the Government to intervene and tell me how to do that.
    Mr. Johnson of South Dakota. Ms. Benford, you noted your 
company doesn't do direct Federal work. You did mention that 
PLAs can be onerous and cumbersome. Is that type of Federal 
regulation--is that what makes you, at least in part, less 
likely to do direct Federal work?
    Ms. Benford. We are just not really set up to do direct 
Federal work. There are a lot of restrictions and a lot of 
expectations that we just don't meet as a small company. And 
there is not--we don't do the large jobs that would be required 
by a PLA.
    Mr. Johnson of South Dakota. Very good.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Johnson of Georgia.
    Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you, Ranking Member, for holding this important hearing today. 
And thank you to the witnesses for your testimony.
    Since 2020, when Joe Biden was sworn in as President, 
Democrats have been hard at work doing our job and fulfilling 
our promises by successfully enacting and implementing historic 
levels of infrastructure investment to jump start the Nation's 
economic competitiveness, protect the traveling public, and 
prioritize the creation of good-paying jobs. Unemployment is 
low and wages are high. The stock market is up, and America's 
economy is growing at the phenomenal rate of 4.9 percent.
    While ``Individual 1'' was busy declaring every week to be 
an infrastructure week, lying to the American people of an 
infrastructure week that never materialized, Democrats were 
hard at work putting people over politics. And in 2021, House 
and Senate Democrats, along with a few Republicans, passed 
President Biden's $1.1 trillion Infrastructure Investment and 
Jobs Act, the $1.7 trillion American Rescue Plan, the 
bipartisan Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 2022, the Inflation 
Reduction Act, and other notable pieces of legislation. And 
these important pieces of legislation are responsible for the 
job growth, wage growth, stock market growth, and strong 
economic growth that the Nation enjoys today.
    Tomorrow, I will be reintroducing equally important 
legislation, the Stronger Communities Through Better Transit 
Act. This bill will provide greater transit equity and quality 
to communities across the country, including communities in 
rural areas. Also, it would create a new program to provide 
transit agencies with Federal funding to increase and improve 
transit service, thereby leveling the playing field for our 
constituents who need transit to get to work, school, and to 
the doctor's office or to the pharmacy.
    It is time to invest in the thousands of transit systems 
across the country to ensure that all Americans in cities, 
suburbs, and rural areas have access to frequent, high-quality, 
dependable transit.
    Now, Ms. Benford, as you stated in your testimony, 
disadvantaged business enterprises, DBEs, play a pivotal role 
in fostering diversity and inclusion in the construction 
industry by ensuring that certified small businesses owned and 
controlled by socially and economically disadvantaged 
individuals can compete for federally funded highway, public 
transit, and airport projects. I was happy to hear that 
Associated General Contractors of America, which you are 
representing, supports aligning the DBE statutory size 
standard, which is currently capped at $28.4 million gross 
annual revenue, aligning that with the $45 million cap, which 
is revised for industry trends and inflation at least every 5 
years by the SBA.
    I recently introduced H.R. 6820, which is the Small 
Business Contracting Fairness Act, which would amend the IIJA 
to raise the statutory size standards. Can you speak more to 
the importance of increasing this standard, which would give 
DBEs greater access to Department of Transportation projects?
    Ms. Benford. Yes. So, we do appreciate that because I think 
that is one constraint that our DBEs are limited by. We are 
required to use DBEs. And just to give you a little idea of 
what that looks like, when we bid a project, we have to 
solicit. So, we have to reach out to 80 to 100 DBEs. And in 
Wyoming, we get one to five quotes. And so, I think giving DBEs 
more access--whether it's the constraints or the administrative 
requirements that they are required to do--would be helpful, 
yes.
    Mr. Johnson of Georgia. Thank you, and I am about out of 
time, so, I will yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. I thank the gentleman.
    Mr. Mann.
    Mr. Mann. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you all for 
being here today.
    I represent the Big First District of Kansas. And as a 
geographic center of the country, Kansas offers excellent 
transportation advantages for certain industries. Over the last 
several years, there have been a number of regulatory proposals 
that have threatened to disrupt the Nation's supply chains, 
creating undue burdens on American businesses and causing mass 
delays in the shipment of goods.
    Of course, the pandemic highlighted fractures in our supply 
chains. And in my view, instead of focusing on the issues, the 
administration continues to focus on more regulations that will 
cause further bottlenecks and uncertainty for the Nation's 
supply chains.
    A handful of questions. First for you, Ms. Benford, in 
regards to the WOTUS, or waters of the U.S., the Biden 
administration continues to ignore the clear decision by the 
Supreme Court in the Sackett versus EPA case regarding the 
definition of waters of the U.S. under the Clean Water Act. 
What new uncertainty exists due to the administration's changes 
post-Sackett?
    And did the Navigable Waters Protection Rule offer more or 
less clarity to you and to your members?
    Ms. Benford. I am going to have to circle back with you on 
that one.
    Mr. Mann. Anyone else have a comment on WOTUS, the waters 
of the U.S. and the impact that you are seeing that having to 
your particular industry?
    Mr. Millar. In Washington State, sir, 86-plus percent of 
the work that we do that is federally funded is addressed 
through a categorical exclusion. We are spending our money on 
preservation of our existing infrastructure, and those rules 
have had no impact on that work.
    Mr. Mann. OK.
    Mr. Millar. When we do more complex projects and we get 
into a NEPA analysis, we go with the regulations that we have. 
We are working on several projects in that space, and we 
recognize that NEPA is a decisionmaking process, it's not a box 
to check.
    I am all for getting to yes really quick. I am also for 
getting to know really quick when somebody has a bad idea.
    Mr. Mann. Yes, yes, thank you.
    And the next question is for you, Mr. Tucker. Last month, 
the Customs and Border Patrol briefly suspended rail operations 
through international rail crossings in Eagle Pass and El Paso. 
I know you referenced earlier in a question about the 
importance of these crossings. When the Customs and Border 
Patrol did that, when they had to move agents to other parts to 
help secure the border, Union Pacific Railroad alone noted they 
had more than 60 trains, or nearly 4,500 railcars, that were 
being held south of the border.
    How do these type of delays and suspensions of cross-border 
activity affect supply chain and logistics throughout the 
country?
    What are the ripple effects of that, in your view?
    Mr. Tucker. The ripple effects are significant, and 
especially for grains, things that have an expiration, such as 
food. So, those are big ripple effects.
    I am not part of national security. I understand that there 
might have been an impetus to make Mexico do more, in doing 
that. But I think that the challenge needs to be faced. We need 
to continue moving this freight. As I said earlier, there is 
way more freight moving north from Mexico, and please expect it 
to continue over the next decade. And we just can't afford to 
have a closure like that. From what I understand, at least from 
the figures released by the Union Pacific and supported by the 
AAR, is that it was about a $200 million impact.
    So, I think working with industry, letting industry know of 
potentials like this so that they can work around it if 
possible, would help mitigate it. But there really needs to be 
a better collaborative environment around stoppages such as 
this.
    Mr. Mann. Yes, I completely agree.
    Last question, quickly, for you, Ms. Benford. In your 
testimony, you detailed how the cost of construction had 
increased in the first quarter of 2023--the cost of highway 
construction had increased 53.8 percent over Q1 of 2020. Can 
you describe the impact of these increased costs on businesses 
like yours and your ability to complete projects?
    Ms. Benford. Yes. So, again, going back to the bid process, 
when we get quotes from our subcontractors, we're really 
required to lock in immediately. And so, time is of the essence 
to make sure that the owner and everyone buys into the price. 
Because if we don't, that affects our risk, right? So, we take 
on that inflation, our subcontractors take on our inflation. 
And ultimately, I can tell you that there has been a lot of 
subcontractors who struggle with this, right? If we don't tell 
them, yes, you have got the job, and they don't buy materials 
immediately, they are affected by it.
    Mr. Mann. Yes. Thank you all for being here.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Carbajal.
    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Millar, last Congress many of my colleagues and I 
worked on crafting landmark legislation to invest in our 
infrastructure, reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, and create 
good-paying jobs. Through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, 
the American Rescue Plan, and the Inflation Reduction Act, we 
have been able to do all three.
    However, I do understand that workforce availability is a 
challenge for the transportation sector. As we continue to 
oversee Federal dollars from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law 
and the Inflation Reduction Act hit the ground, what are some 
of the considerations this committee should take into 
consideration and account to ensure that we maximize our 
Federal investments?
    Mr. Millar. Congressman, there are a lot of things on my 
list there. We are working right now in Washington State to 
bring more women and people of color into the construction 
trades. When we see folks aging out of industry, it is 
important that we take advantage of every pool of individuals 
available to us. Part of that is making the workplace a 
welcoming place for everyone who is engaged. Part of that is 
providing the training. Part of that, frankly, is getting 
people interested in our work, and that is going to require us 
to get down to, like, the elementary and middle school level on 
just the whole issue of math, science, and technology.
    There are lots of folks--I go and speak at the University 
of Washington to graduating civil engineers, and they are not 
interested in the transportation space because it's--I had a 
bunch of them say, ``My focus is on the environment. Why should 
I get into transportation?'' You talk to them a little bit and 
they figure that out, but we are not having those 
conversations.
    It is incumbent on industry to be reaching out. It is 
incumbent on our educational institutions to be reaching out. 
We need to get young people interested in and excited about the 
futures that exist in this space. Knowing that you can have a 
job with good pay and benefits and retirement and the like in 
the construction trades without a 4-year college degree, people 
don't know that, don't get that. So, I think there is an awful 
lot that we need to do in the education space.
    What we are able to do at the Washington State DOT, with 
funding from the Federal Government and from our State 
legislature, is directly engage with community colleges in 
Washington State, with church groups in Washington State, with 
labor unions in Washington State, with contractors in 
Washington State, with Native American Tribes on getting the 
people that they care about, getting the people that they want 
to see succeed into the transportation space.
    So, I would encourage the Congress, as you consider 
reauthorization, workforce is going to be huge. There needs to 
be resources there, but the resources need to be flexible. We 
don't use Federal money in our pre-apprenticeship support 
services work. We are doing things like buying tools for 
apprentices, buying boots, and my Office of Equity and Civil 
Rights lead says when you use Federal money you can buy the 
boots, but you can't buy the laces because--you know. So, the 
funding is important, the flexibility is important, and just 
the acknowledgment of the scale of the problem.
    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you.
    Mr. Tucker, as a former chair of the Coast Guard and 
Maritime Transportation Subcommittee and now ranking member, I 
was able to work on advancing the Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 
2022, written by Representatives Garamendi and Johnson. Can you 
discuss how the Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 2022 is helping to 
alleviate the supply chain crisis?
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, thank you for the Ocean Shipping 
Reform Act. As I said, I am not the ideal candidate to speak to 
ocean issues. However, the TIA is extremely appreciative and 
supportive in particular for creating definition around 
unreasonable demurrage and detention fees, trying to reverse 
the trend of a few ocean carriers using retaliatory practices 
against manufacturers and shippers. So, thank you for your 
support.
    Mr. Carbajal. You did a darn good job knowing the issue, 
though. Thank you.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Carbajal. Mr. Chair, I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman yields.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for 
being here today.
    I am Lori Chavez-DeRemer, a new Member of Congress 
representing Oregon. So, Secretary Millar, it is nice to be on 
the border with you. I am appreciative that you mentioned the 
I-5 Bridge, and how important that is as we move through.
    But my questions today, back in December, the Biden 
administration, the Council on Environmental Quality, as well 
as six sovereign nations released a final package of 
commitments in the ongoing Columbia River Systems Operations 
litigation and mediation. In this package, a myriad of 
provisions were included, and general consensus amongst Pacific 
Northwest communities and stakeholders in the agreement is a de 
facto breaching of the dams.
    My Pacific Northwest colleagues, Congressman Newhouse, 
Congresswoman McMorris Rodgers, and myself, have been staunch 
supporters of the lower Snake River Dams and are deeply 
concerned about its future. Breaching the dams would be a fatal 
blow to the Pacific Northwest, as the lower Snake River Dams 
provide immeasurable benefits to the region and the Nation. For 
instance, the river system significantly decreases traffic 
congestion and pollution. It would take exactly 39,204 railcars 
and 150,784 semitrucks to move the cargo that is barged through 
the Snake River by rail and truck.
    So, Mr. Millar, you mentioned in your testimony that the 
Washington State Department of Transportation works to maintain 
and improve local roads, railroads, and airports, which is an 
ongoing issue. Breaching the lower Snake River Dams would 
exacerbate this issue, would it not?
    Mr. Millar. Congresswoman, Washington State--in particular, 
Governor Jay Inslee--has not taken a position on breaching the 
Snake River Dams. We are engaged with the other partners in 
their area on studying the potential impacts of that. We have 
just begun the study of the transportation impacts and our 
ability to respond to those impacts. So, having just begun the 
study, I really can't speak to what those impacts might be.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. By adding a substantial amount of 
railcars and trucks to railroads and highways, would your 
agency still be able to meet its objectives?
    Mr. Millar. Yes.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. The lower Snake River Dams play a 
significant role in not only providing clean, renewable 
hydropower energy, which provides my constituents with low-cost 
electricity, but also transporting approximately 60 percent of 
the Nation's wheat exports. Mr. Millar, if the lower Snake 
River Dams were breached, how would this wheat alternatively be 
transported?
    Mr. Millar. Again, no decision has been made, and the State 
of Washington has taken no position in that space. The 
options----
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer [interrupting]. If you could project--
--
    Mr. Millar [continuing]. That shippers have to barging 
would be by rail or by truck.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. If an alternative plan could not 
imminently be implemented, don't you think this would further 
negatively impact supply chain issues that were already 
exacerbated by COVID-19?
    My guess is you are going to say the study is still out 
there, so, no decision has been made, but I would like to keep 
an eye on it, and work with your office, and make sure that we 
are paying attention to how this happens.
    Mr. Millar. The State of Washington is partnering with 
other entities that are interested and involved in that 
particular issue, including the State of Oregon. We welcome the 
continued communication.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. Well, I appreciate the support for the 
Pacific Northwest, and I am glad that you are here today.
    Mr. Millar. Thank you.
    Mrs. Chavez-DeRemer. Thanks. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Garcia.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you, Chairman and Ranking 
Member, for hosting the hearing today.
    In recent years, our transportation systems have been 
undergoing a transformation, from the COVID-19 pandemic, which 
stunted many transportation sectors, to the historic IIJA 
funding, which renewed investments in modern infrastructure. In 
the Chicago area alone, we received grant funding through IIJA 
to make transit more accessible, improve commuter rail 
infrastructure, and deliver over 50 ``clean'' schoolbuses to 
Chicago public schools.
    Reimagining a modern, resilient, and sustainable 
transportation sector will require us to examine our workforce. 
In 2022, I introduced the Giving Disadvantaged Business 
Opportunities for Success Act, which would strengthen 
opportunities for minority- and women-owned businesses. I am 
glad that DOT is finalizing a rule that would allow more 
businesses to qualify as DBEs.
    Ms. Benford, how would increasing the DBE net worth cap and 
streamlining the certification process benefit the construction 
industry and the larger transportation industry?
    Ms. Benford. Thank you. As I mentioned before, DBEs are a 
big part of our program. We are required to use them. Wyoming, 
we have a lot of people registered as DBEs. But again, when we 
go through the bid process, we only get one to five bidders. 
So, anything that can ease the process for a DBE would be 
greatly appreciated.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you.
    Mr. Millar, continuing on the topic of workforce, your 
testimony mentions challenges recruiting sufficient workforce 
to keep up with the demand of infrastructure projects. Has 
Washington State DOT identified the factors contributing to 
hiring challenges?
    And how have you approached a solution to this workforce 
gap?
    Mr. Millar. Congressman, yes, we have identified some 
issues.
    Wages are an issue. Wages are going up in the private 
sector. We are not seeing the comparable increases in the 
public sector. They are somewhat restricted.
    The availability of people. It is a competitive 
environment. In my organization, I have hundreds of snowplow 
operators. They are out there very busy as we speak. All of 
them have a commercial driver's license, and I am competing 
with the private sector. I am competing with cities and 
counties and port districts. I lost a whole bunch of heavy 
freight mechanics just a couple of years ago to the folks down 
at Hanford, the Federal Government participating in the 
cleanup. They were paying more than us. So, pay is an issue for 
us.
    Credentialing in the marine industry. We run the largest 
ferry fleet in the United States, about 24 million passengers a 
year. And we operate 21 boats up to 3 that carry 202 vehicles 
and 2,500 people. The crew on those boats, to apply for a job, 
you have to have a transportation worker's ID card, which 
requires a background check, which takes time and money that 
people don't have when they are looking for work.
    So, we do a lot in that space to provide better educations. 
We are, again, reaching out to high schools, maritime 
academies, getting young people involved and stepping up and 
getting that credential so that when a job becomes available, 
we can move them to it.
    We have had to move training in-house. I used to hire 
people with the CDL. Now we hire people and train them on our 
dime. In the marine industry, to advance in Washington State 
Ferries, you used to have to take all of the training on your 
own time, and you had to pay for it yourself. We have brought 
that in-house as a way to bring people in.
    Our pre-apprenticeship support services, we are seeing more 
and more women and people of color there. We require on all of 
our contracts a minimum of 15 percent of the labor hours that 
are worked to be worked by apprentices. We achieved that goal. 
And of those apprentice hours, 45 percent of those hours are 
worked by women and people of color.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. I thank you for that. As you have 
stated in your remarks this morning, it is important that we be 
inclusive and especially mindful of those who have been left 
out of these job opportunities. What do you think Congress 
needs to do to ensure that recruiting is inclusive and diverse? 
And you have got about 5 seconds.
    Mr. Millar. I believe the statute is in place. It can 
always be improved. From my perspective, it is the application 
of that statute by people of goodwill that makes a difference. 
We in Washington State, approximately 77 percent of Washington 
State, they consider themselves to be White, they identify as 
White. So, about 23 percent of our community is people of 
color.
    At the Washington State DOT, when I came on board, 10 
percent of the workforce were people of color. We have been 
able to raise it in the last 3 years from 10 percent to 15 
percent, and we continue to work on that. The rules, the laws 
are in place. It's the application of those laws over time that 
is going to make a difference.
    Mr. Garcia of Illinois. Thank you.
    And thank you, Mr. Chair, for your indulgence. I yield 
back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Mr. Collins, you are recognized.
    Mr. Collins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Secretary Millar, I was out in Washington. We had that 
field hearing on those four dams that the Biden administration 
wants to tear down with a 98.5-percent success rate on moving 
fish up and down that ladder. And I can tell you, it doesn't 
take a rocket scientist to understand that when you are going 
to move 8 percent of the State of Washington's electric grid 
off of those hydroelectric dams that operate 24/7 and put them 
on some sort of Green New Deal, it's not going to work.
    Also, you are just going to increase the price of the goods 
that flow up and down that river by putting them on the trucks. 
And I am in the trucking industry. Don't get me wrong, I love 
trucking, but there are not enough trucks out there. There is a 
trucking shortage. So, it is just more proof that the Biden 
administration enjoys putting more inflation on the backs of 
the American people without any regards to anything other than 
them pushing a socialistic agenda.
    That being said, I want to move--my background is trucking, 
the trucking industry. I am a business owner. My wife and I are 
in the trucking business. I am actually second generation in 
the trucking industry. The third generation is actually running 
our company now, and I started out at the age of 12, very much 
like Mr. Tucker, I am sure. And I got my commercial driver's 
license at the age of 18, and I still have those commercial 
driver's licenses in my back pocket.
    And I truly believe that the trucking industry is the most 
taxed and regulated industry in this country. For far too long, 
we have been the recipient of overreaching, overburdensome, and 
over-out-of-control Federal agencies.
    Mr. Tucker, I heard you say that you are a generational 
company. And I was just curious, what generation are you?
    Mr. Tucker. I am third generation.
    Mr. Collins. Is the fourth generation working there?
    Mr. Tucker. The fourth generation is four children between 
the ages of 14 and 22 and, no, no, not as of yet, no.
    Mr. Collins. I will tell you something. The trucking 
industry, once it's in your blood, it's in your blood. That's 
why it's generational. And like you, I was worried and am 
worried that the next generation doesn't have the opportunities 
to start a trucking company like I did. It's a very proud 
industry. We are proud of what we do. And yes, we are an 
extremely important part of the supply chain.
    And, Mr. Tucker, I heard you mention J.B. Hunt. I want to 
tell you something. Ninety-eight percent of the trucking 
companies out there, y'all, 98 percent, are 10 trucks or less. 
Ninety-five percent are five trucks or less. So, the trucking 
company that you referenced, that and all the others that you 
make and call to your head, they only make up 2 percent of the 
trucking industry. These are mom-and-pop generational 
industries.
    So, right now, whether it's hours of service, minimum age 
requirements, barriers to entry by making us go to school, 
accessory equipment that's being mandated that isn't even 
proven that it works, parking issues like the secretary 
mentioned. Mr. Secretary, the reason we have parking issues is 
because we didn't have that 5 to 10 years ago, but your 
shippers and your receivers have been sued so many times that 
they don't want anybody on their yards. We used to park 
wherever we were shipping or wherever we were receiving, just 
to help with the hours of service so that we didn't have to 
drive there. But now, since there is such a sue-crazy 
environment out there, nobody wants to take that general 
liability on. So, they make us park elsewhere, which is why you 
see parking up and down the road.
    The question is, what do we need in the trucking industry?
    And you are right, Mr. Tucker. We need DOT to quit being a 
revenue-generating agency and be out there and be safety 
driven, just like the FMCSA. You are exactly right in 
brokerage. There are a lot of thieves out there. They are 
thugs. That's the best word for them. They are not trucking.
    But, y'all, we need tort reform in this country. Tort 
reform will solve the workforce issues, the parking issues. It 
will solve the workers' comp issues, the health insurance 
issues. It will solve all of our issue problems.
    Auto liability. They have done study after study after 
study, and it has been proven that between 75 percent to 91 
percent of the time when a 4-wheeler is involved in an accident 
with an 18-wheeler, it's the 4-wheeler's fault, not the 18-
wheeler's.
    We don't need to force larger minimums on our auto 
liabilities in this country for trucking. The only thing that 
does, Mr. Chairman, is gives a pay raise to these trial lawyers 
out there.
    And with that, I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman yields back.
    Mr. Stanton.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank 
you to the witnesses for speaking on this important topic 
today.
    It has been a big year for transportation across the 
country as we have rolled out the Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law. In my home State of Arizona, we have 609 new road and 
bridge project commitments using IIJA funds, $170 million was 
awarded through 12 grants to my State, and we received $466 
million in Federal reimbursements for ongoing transportation 
work.
    But what do those funds mean? What is the actual impact?
    For the Arizona Department of Transportation, who has 
received more than $35 million of those discretionary funds, 
they have been able to begin a huge range of projects, from a 
wildlife crossing pilot to cut down on vehicle collisions to 
improve habitat connectivity, safeguarding our wildlife, to 
project planning for our Phoenix and Tucson passenger rail to 
keep our communities connected. Our Federal work has spurred 
local and State investment, as well. ADOT pushed hard to 
complete 24 critical pavement preservation projects in 2023, 
repaving and restoring more than 300 miles of highway.
    All of this is good news and showcasing that the State 
department of transportation is stronger than it was before the 
historic investment of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
    For all the progress we have made, we still have unfinished 
work to do. Arizona's top infrastructure priority, my top 
infrastructure priority is the expansion of Interstate 10. I-10 
connects Arizona's two largest cities, Phoenix and Tucson, and 
tens of thousands of people commute along it every day. But 
it's more than a commuter rail. The I-10 is a key commercial 
artery for freight traffic to and from the ports in southern 
California and for international commerce with our largest 
trading partner, Mexico.
    Despite the critical importance of I-10 in the State, for 
26 miles along the Gila River Indian Community, it is only 2 
lanes. Any Arizonan who has driven this stretch will tell you 
that is not enough. The congestion and traffic are horrible, 
and it is a safety hazard. A single crash can back up this 
highway for many miles. Even standard rush-hour traffic causes 
significant backups in this corridor that would be averted with 
a third lane in both directions.
    The State of Arizona has applied for an INFRA grant under 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. My team and I worked with 
ADOT to make it as competitive as possible, and it is my hope 
and expectation that this project will move forward very soon.
    And I am glad to see the Transportation Intermediaries 
Association and the AGC here today, and I would like to talk to 
both of you about the importance of supply chains.
    Mr. Tucker, a large focus of your testimony on behalf of 
the TIA was on the supply chains and the importance of freight 
as part of that equation. Can you speak about the impacts that 
congestion has on supply chains and the importance of 
investment in projects like the I-10 expansion?
    Mr. Tucker. Thank you, Congressman. I would agree with your 
assessment with regard to I-10, and I don't think that enough 
Americans understand that we have ports that go through land, 
right? Our land crossings, essentially. And I think that we 
will begin understanding that a lot more.
    As I have said numerous times and in my written and oral 
testimony so far, Mexican freight traffic will continue and is 
only going to grow, and we really have to tackle that, right? 
So, anything that represents a bottleneck, such as what you 
have described--and there are others, but clearly you have got 
a key one there in Arizona--anything that slows that down, it 
increases costs to consumers, it increases costs to the 
retailers who pass it on to the consumers.
    And especially with regard to things that may spoil, such 
as food--and I think we should really appreciate it, and I 
don't think we always do, because we are always talking here 
about what is needed in infrastructure--we have the greatest 
delivery system in the world, this country, and we just need 
continued investment and continued collaboration, bipartisan 
work in this committee. This is a wonderful committee, and I 
thank you guys for being on it. Thanks to all of you. But we 
have got work to do.
    Mr. Stanton. Thank you, and I should note that Mexico is 
not only the number-one trading partner of Arizona, but now is 
the number-one trading partner of the entire United States of 
America.
    Ms. Benford, maybe the same question. How can commercial 
arteries like I-10 play a role in bettering supply chain costs 
if we can improve I-10?
    Ms. Benford. So, in Wyoming, we have a similar artery, I-
80, that goes through our State that--I would just echo what 
Mr. Tucker said. It is very vital that these supply chains are 
dependable and that we can get what we need on time, so that we 
don't delay our projects.
    Mr. Stanton. I appreciate those great answers, and with 
that I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. LaMalfa.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a quick one 
for Secretary Millar.
    I guess in your position up in Washington, that makes you 
king of the road, huh?
    [Pause.]
    Mr. LaMalfa. Yes. OK, I did it, so----
    Mr. Millar [interposing]. I have heard that before, sir.
    Mr. LaMalfa. I know you have. Probably half the people in 
here don't know what I am talking about, anyway, so, I threw it 
out there.
    I share I-5 with you in the northern part of my State in 
California, as well. And I just wanted to ask you, what is the 
price of that bridge you are talking about over the Columbia? 
Is that right?
    Mr. Millar. That's correct, somewhere between $6 and $7\1/
2\ billion, sir.
    Mr. LaMalfa. OK, we are having a discussion on the I-5 just 
north of Redding there, the Pit River Bridge, as you know, 
sometime within 20 years might need a look. So, anyway, thank 
you for that.
    I want to come back to Mr. Tucker here on talking about the 
California Air Resources Board and how individual States are 
causing things to not be very seamless with interstate commerce 
and the regulations. As you know, CARB and California are 
always trying to push some new envelope, in this case, 100 
percent of the new trucks that would be sold have to be zero 
emission by 2045, and they believe that's going to be 
electrification so far.
    So, we are just worried about that on supply chain, as well 
as California has huge ports in the bay area and southern 
California. So, so much comes from Asia straight in to those 
ports, and they have their own challenges with regulations, and 
yet so much of the demand is right there locally in a high 
population like California.
    So, what I am driving at here is, we have CARB regulations 
and we have other States playing ``monkey see, monkey do'' on 
it, as well. I just saw a piece this morning where Virginia 
might be wanting to backtrack on their idea of electrifying all 
their cars by 2035 and what California is doing.
    So, on top of all that, Mr. Tucker, what do you see as the 
prediction on large companies or all companies in responding to 
California regs? It used to be the attitude when I was in the 
State legislature, some of my colleagues on the other side 
would say, like, well, we are too important of a market for 
them to not do what we do. When does that finally drop off and 
they say, no, we are not going to play to that, we are going to 
play to the other States that want to play fair ball?
    Will they continue importing and exporting out of 
California, or will they divert the traffic to Texas or some 
other port, some other method?
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, we see these kinds of business 
decisions being made by motor carriers all the time in our 
industry. Again, we are dealing with thousands of motor 
carriers through 63 years.
    So, for example, in some--I am from New Jersey, so, 
sometimes motor carriers see the Hudson River separating New 
Jersey and New York as the end of the continent and will not go 
there. And California has risen to that level of profile, where 
the drivers and carriers oftentimes don't want to go to 
California because they are afraid, right?
    One of the things that I mentioned is the bipartisanship in 
this committee. President Carter was a Democrat. Carter started 
the deregulation in trucking. President Reagan, a Republican, 
continued that on. This committee has done tremendous work. 
This Congress, way back when, saw that one of the powers--
again, one of the superpowers--that this country has is how do 
we make things faster, more effective, and safely get to the 
consumers?
    And----
    Mr. LaMalfa [interrupting]. I have to ask you to be brief, 
please.
    Mr. Tucker. Pardon me?
    Mr. LaMalfa. Be brief, please.
    Mr. Tucker. OK.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you.
    Mr. Tucker. Yes. So, I think that--and the long and the 
short of it is, we have got to be thinking about these things. 
We have got to keep these front of mind. Sorry.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Well, I mean, one set of regulations is 
becoming just a turn-off, and so, they are going to--you 
squeeze the balloon, and it is going to go somewhere else, you 
know?
    Mr. Tucker. We saw this--we see this, the Americans, we saw 
this as a way to deliver interstate commerce effectively. But 
if we have a patchwork of rules in every different State that 
carriers have to try to figure out how to manipulate, you are 
going to take it apart.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you.
    Mr. Edwards, can you touch on that from the Virginia 
standpoint, please?
    Mr. Edwards. I will be happy to touch on it from a ports 
perspective.
    I think the most important factor we have in the movement 
of freight is that we plan freight on an international basis. 
We have to recognize that trucking is an industry that can move 
from State to State, just as ships can move from port to port 
around the globe.
    What we do know at this point in time is that it would be 
simply impossible to have frontline operating capacity capable 
of meeting some of the standards that are being proposed, and 
that is essentially going to put costs into California.
    Mr. LaMalfa. All right, thank you. The time is already up.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I will yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Menendez.
    Mr. Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the 
witnesses, especially Mr. Tucker from my home State of New 
Jersey.
    It is good to have you. New Jersey's Eighth Congressional 
District, which I have the honor of representing, has received 
almost $11 billion in critical investments from the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act alone. These dollars are 
going towards improvements at the Bayonne drydock. They are 
electrifying ferries and going towards the Gateway Program, the 
largest infrastructure project in the entire country, something 
that we are incredibly proud of. And we are just getting 
started.
    Mr. Millar, I want to talk to you because there's a series 
of questions that I think your experience would lend important 
insight to. You talked about the cost escalations and one of 
the component pieces of it being workforce. And in your 
testimony, you talked about several State-funded internships 
and pre-apprenticeship support service programs that Washington 
operates.
    What has been the most successful program that you have 
seen increases engagement in workforce development?
    Mr. Millar. It's a suite of programs, Congressman. The 
requirement to have apprentices work on our jobs, our pre-
apprenticeship support services program, where we are funding 
community colleges, labor unions, and the like to bring people 
into the construction trades, we have taken that whole suite--I 
have had conversations with Secretary Buttigieg and the U.S. 
DOT about what we are doing as perhaps a model for some of the 
adjustments that could be made in the national space.
    Mr. Menendez. I appreciate that. I was on the phone this 
morning with a major labor organization out of New Jersey 
having this conversation and what we can do to encourage 
people. I think you said in your testimony today if that means 
going into grade schools and elementary schools and high 
schools and availing themselves of the opportunities that exist 
in the trades and engineering, and it is going to be an 
important part of our future as we continue to ensure that we 
lead in infrastructure here in this country.
    I have a second question for you. We have seen it in New 
Jersey and the greater region in terms of changes in what work 
schedules look like, and the impact that those shifts have had 
on public transit agencies and the funding that they receive 
from daily tolls that now people have adjusted to work from 
home, and less consistent travel to and from work, which has 
impacted the revenues at a lot of public agencies. I am 
wondering what your experience has been in Washington in 
partnering with local transit agencies?
    Mr. Millar. We have partnered with local transit agencies 
from the get-go. We are a major funder of our more rural, 
smaller agencies, and we partner with King County Metro, Sound 
Transit, the big ones in the Seattle area.
    What we are seeing on our highways is the total volumes 
haven't changed, but the time of day has. What we are seeing in 
public transportation, what we are seeing on the Washington 
State Ferries is that people who can work from home, who choose 
to work from home are changing their travel patterns. And they 
are not traveling during the peak hour.
    So, how do we, as service providers, adjust our schedules 
to meet the needs of the community as the community adjusts 
theirs? That is an important thing, particularly for the large 
transit.
    For the smaller transits in Washington State, my experience 
is 25 percent of Washingtonians don't drive. That is almost 2 
million people. And as our population ages, more and more 
people are hanging up their car keys for the last time. So, 
whether you are in rural Washington or suburban Washington, how 
do you maintain your independence, your dignity, your quality 
of life without the ability to drive a car? That's public 
transportation, and those are investments we are making in 
very, very rural places, right up to the downtown in Seattle.
    Mr. Menendez. Yes, absolutely, and continuing to ensure 
that we are leading in public transit because there is a 
movement to be less reliant on cars, which is something that we 
all want to encourage. So, I appreciate your work there.
    Just a quick question on ferry electrification. We have 
seen it in New Jersey, where we are supporting several entities 
in the district that are looking to move their fleet to an 
electric fleet. What are some of the successes and challenges 
you have seen, having one of the largest ferry operations in 
the country?
    Mr. Millar. The largest.
    Mr. Menendez. The largest.
    Mr. Millar. But yes, it has been a challenge and an 
opportunity. We are currently converting one of our largest 
boats to a diesel-electric hybrid. There has been a lot of 
people concerned about the cost of that. That boat is 30 years 
old. We launched it 30 years ago. We are trying to get 60 years 
out of it. It's in for an overhaul right now, the overhaul that 
was scheduled day one, when we launched it.
    But rather than replacing all four of the diesel motors, we 
are replacing two and we are putting batteries in. That comes 
at an increased cost. But over the life of that boat, we are 
going to save $60 million: the people of Washington's.
    So, telling this story has been difficult. Getting power to 
the dock has been difficult. With our partners and with Federal 
support, we are making that happen.
    Mr. Menendez. Well, no monopoly on a good idea. So, I look 
forward to partnering with you.
    And I yield back. Thank you so much.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Stauber.
    Mr. Stauber. Thank you very much. I appreciate the comments 
by our witnesses today. Many of you have praised IIJA, but what 
I think you really are praising is the idea of IIJA.
    We all want good infrastructure. We know that 
infrastructure projects mean good union jobs and economic 
prosperity for our communities. The idea was dangled in front 
of the American people by the Biden administration as a prize 
to be won, knowing full well the bill needed a lot of work.
    For instance, rural roads definition in the IIJA is 200,000 
or less. That means in the entire State of Minnesota, which is 
rural, only Minneapolis and St. Paul wouldn't qualify for rural 
roads grants. To me, that is unconscionable.
    See, without meaningful change in the spending habits of 
this country, inflation continues to soar higher and higher, 
eating away every last dollar that was promised to our 
communities. Without domestically sourced critical minerals and 
metals, our infrastructure projects are endlessly delayed as 
they remain at the whim of adversarial nations who control the 
supply chain. Without Buy American provisions, which this 
administration is actively trying to remove from the 
legislation, we rely on the biggest polluters and human rights 
abusers over American workers. Without meaningful permitting 
reform, many of the infrastructure projects fail to even get 
shovels in the ground.
    I am very disappointed that my Republican colleagues and I 
were not allowed to give input in the IIJA. Maybe we could have 
helped make it a better piece of legislation.
    Mr. Millar, you had mentioned EVs. Do you recall how much 
the IIJA has invested in EV charging stations?
    Mr. Millar. In our State, Congressman, $76 million in 
formula funds.
    Mr. Stauber. Overall?
    Mr. Millar. I don't remember.
    Mr. Stauber. $7.4 billion. It has been over 2 years since 
the legislation has been acted. Do you know how many EV 
charging stations have been placed around this country with 
that investment, that money?
    Mr. Millar. I know the first ones were placed in Ohio. I 
know in Washington State we have yet to use Federal money to 
place some chargers, but we have----
    Mr. Stauber [interrupting]. You are exactly right. One in 
London, Ohio. One, $7.4 billion. One in London, Ohio. And the 
same administration is trying to remove the Buy American 
provisions for EV chargers. You know why? Because they don't 
want to domestically mine. They would rather enter into 
agreements with the Congo, where 15 of the 19 industrial mines 
are controlled by the Communist country of China, who use child 
slave labor.
    The district that I represent, northeast Minnesota, has the 
biggest copper nickel find in the world. Union labor. And this 
administration just pulled the leases for purely political 
reasons. They want to remove Buy American provisions so that 
they can get these minerals for the EV charging stations on the 
backs of children. No environmental standards. Zero labor 
standards.
    Mr. Tucker, can you share the vulnerabilities you have seen 
with our supply chain, particularly in our overreliance on 
China?
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, what was the last part of that?
    Mr. Stauber. Can you share vulnerabilities you have seen 
with our supply chain, particularly in our overreliance on 
China?
    Mr. Tucker. Yes, thank you for that question. I think it is 
a great question, and I have long been concerned about not 
necessarily losing a war without a shot being fired, but we 
realized during the pandemic and in the months and years the 
pandemic was playing itself out that there were critical supply 
chain items.
    I have got healthcare customers who made parts of syringes 
overseas only, right? Critical lifesaving devices. So, I think 
it's really important, right, that we have got the flow 
initiative. I think that's very important. I think the Supply 
Chain Disruptions Task Force is very important. And I think 
this committee's oversight and this committee's involvement is 
really important.
    Mr. Stauber. And I think, Mr. Tucker, you are exactly 
right. I mean, we have learned a lot through COVID, right? We 
can't rely on adversarial nations for our necessities, and one 
of them is critical minerals.
    The Assistant Secretary of the Department of Energy and 
Defense both said if China stops selling us our critical 
minerals, it would be dangerous to this country. And yet we 
have an administration that is trying to remove the Buy 
American provisions in the IIJA so they can get to their 
charging stations. They are putting my union friends and 
neighbors out of work in northeastern Minnesota. We have been 
mining there for 145 years, cleanest water in our entire State. 
It is frustrating.
    And I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Williams.
    Mr. Williams of New York. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My 
concern today is that America cannot face another supply chain 
shock like we have seen over the last 3-plus years. It has 
damaged our economy, it has damaged workers, and we have 
invested a heck of a lot of money through the IIJA, the CHIPS 
and Science Act, there are provisions in the NDAA, all of these 
things that we have done to shore up our supply chain and the 
infrastructure that supports it.
    The supply chain shocks were caused by a number of things: 
the COVID policies of the lockdowns and shutting down 
businesses, and identifying which were critical businesses and 
which weren't, and how that flowed through our economy. There 
was a shift in demand. Suddenly we needed unusual amounts of 
PPE. We had people working from home, a huge demand for yoga 
pants. Not for me personally, but there was a big shift in 
demand caused by COVID.
    And then we had really irresponsible levels of stimulus by 
the Biden administration that shifted consumer habits and 
consumption patterns in ways that created an artificial 
scarcity through all of that stimulus.
    And there are things that we can't anticipate, like the 
Ever Given ship that blocked the Suez Canal for several months 
and causing this cascade. We are seeing an echo of that with 
the Houthis and the Red Sea, changing supply lines, forcing 
ships to take longer routes.
    It's not just ships taking longer routes. All of those 
ships are carrying inventory. And if the route is longer, that 
means more inventory is needed and is at sea. And it has an 
effect when it arrives in port, and when perhaps they all 
arrive at the same time and we end up with the enormous 
backlogs like we saw off of Long Beach, for example.
    My hope is in a very brief conversation with you that we 
can try to just get a pulse of how things are going.
    The thing that I am excited about is reshoring of some of 
our manufacturing, certainly shortening the supply chains. The 
CHIPS Act is critical in how that flows through, particularly 
for chip production in the United States and in my district for 
Micron.
    But if I may ask, particularly Mr. Tucker, if I can start 
with you, are you seeing a shift, in a way, from just-in-time 
manufacturing and maybe some of the inventories that companies 
are carrying? Is there a shift in the trucking industry of what 
is being moved, and where, that you think is perhaps 
encouraging about the state of the supply chain? Can you give 
an insight from your perspective of the trucking industry?
    Mr. Tucker. Yes, sir. I think that during the worst of 
COVID, during the worst, excuse me, of the pandemic, I think 
companies were stocking a little extra inventory.
    But the Holy Grail in retail is to throughput and not to 
have an inventory. It is costs, and it adds cost to our--so, I 
think that what I see today is along the lines of what has been 
already said in other testimony, that the global supply chain, 
including our supply chain, has normalized or--there is no such 
thing as normal anymore, but it reached equilibrium, and one 
that is far more predictable, at least--excepting global issues 
like the Houthis in the Red Sea.
    Mr. Williams of New York. Well, there are shocks that we 
can't anticipate. I think that's part of what we are trying to 
avoid and what a lot of this investment has gone to.
    Mr. Edwards, can I actually focus the same question to you? 
Are you seeing changes in what's passing through your port in 
terms of where it's coming from, how long it takes to clear, 
and what the throughput is? Are there encouraging signs there?
    Mr. Edwards. Congressman, very encouraging signs. The 
fluidity of all ports is much better than it was in the days of 
the pandemic.
    So, the dwell time of cargo is considerably lower, which 
tells you that the supply chain beyond the ports is all working 
well. And I do believe that a number of ports, ourselves 
included, are making large investments to allow for surges, 
shocks, et cetera. So, I think the best operating ports are 
running exceptionally well.
    There is undoubtedly some sourcing away from China. You can 
see that, and the fastest growth, for example, would be--India 
or Vietnam would be significant growth engines in international 
trade that may have been sourced from China before----
    Mr. Williams of New York [interrupting]. It's a shift away 
from China.
    Mr. Edwards. Yes.
    Mr. Williams of New York. I think that's critical. I just 
have a few seconds. In fact, my time is expired. So, thank you 
very much.
    Mr. Rouzer. I thank the gentleman.
    Mr. Auchincloss.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Thank you, Chairman. I want to build off 
something that Ms. Benford talked about at the beginning of 
this hearing regarding flexibility for States.
    I would take that a step further and say that, in fact, we 
need an entire overhaul of how we do transportation funding. We 
have got to free our infrastructure from the grip of big oil 
and car-centric planning by handing highway funding and 
administration entirely over to the States, and redirecting the 
Federal gas tax to support more bottom-up initiatives.
    The Highway Trust Fund is running such a massive deficit 
that the gas tax couldn't meet its needs even if it were five 
times higher. And what is doled out is allocated without 
reference to the metrics that matter most, like how well 
projects connect people to jobs, services, and one another. The 
driving metric is simply more vehicle-miles. And to the 
detriment of State budgets, the Federal transportation system 
incentivizes States to build road after road without regard to 
future costs of maintenance, operation, and environmental 
impact.
    The solution to this is not tweaks to the gas tax or tweaks 
to transportation funding. It's devolution. Congress should 
leave highway taxation and spending entirely to the States, and 
commensurately remove Federal redtape and regulations on 
highways beyond a minimum standard of safety, so that States 
and cities can use their dollars to address local mobility with 
organic solutions. Federal gas tax should remain, but be used 
instead to subsidize locally sponsored projects that promote 
walkability, micromobility, and transit. This is going to have 
three beneficial impacts.
    First, it will give States and cities more latitude that 
will encourage local innovation and help us find better 
transportation solutions.
    Second, it will compel an honest accounting of the cost of 
car-centric infrastructure. I heard this during this testimony, 
as well, from Secretary Millar about the safety impacts. I 
would hazard that we can spend as much money as we want, we can 
match the full $1.4 trillion that accidents cost us in funding 
the departments of transportation. But if we continue to build 
car-centric infrastructure, we are going to continue to get car 
accidents. And more tragically to the point, we are going to 
continue to kill pedestrians, which the United States is doing 
at an alarming and increasing rate.
    And finally, a transparent account of the cost of 
maintenance of highways will make it more likely that States 
implement strategies like congestion pricing and improved 
alternative mobility options like cycling lanes, rail, and on-
demand transit. This transition will be disruptive to 
politicians and bureaucrats, but the net effect will be a lower 
carbon footprint, better mobility, and more walkable downtowns.
    And Chairman, I would like to introduce to the record--
submit to the record, rather, the op-ed I wrote to this effect 
for Strong Towns.
    Mr. Rouzer. Without objection, so ordered.
    [The information follows:]

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     Op-ed entitled, ``Don't Pause the Gas Tax, Redirect It,'' by 
      Congressman  Jake Auchincloss, Strong Towns, July 25, 2022,
      Submitted for the Record by Hon. Jake Auchincloss
                
                  Don't Pause the Gas Tax, Redirect It
                  
by Congressman Jake Auchincloss

Strong Towns, July 25, 2022
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2022/7/25/dont-pause-the-gas-tax-
redirect-it

    Congressman Jake Auchincloss--The president recently advocated for 
a gas tax holiday, which would save drivers only a few dollars over a 
few months. It also does not address the core problem. We don't need a 
gas tax holiday. We need a gas tax reset: an overhaul of transportation 
funding. We must free our infrastructure from the grip of big oil and 
car-centric planning by handing highways over to the states and 
redirecting the federal gas tax to support bottom-up Strong Towns 
initiatives.
    The Highway Trust Fund is running such a massive deficit that the 
gas tax couldn't meet its needs even if it were five times higher--and 
what is doled out is allocated without reference to the metrics that 
matter most, like how well projects connect people to jobs, services, 
and one another. The driving metric is, simply, more vehicle miles (pun 
intended). To the detriment of state budgets, the federal 
transportation system incentivizes states to build road after road 
without regard to future costs of maintenance, operation, and 
environmental impact. This model of car-centric planning is exactly 
why, when energy prices spike, even the president has few good options 
to lower costs for Americans.
    The solution is devolution. Congress should leave highway taxation 
and spending to the states. We should commensurately remove federal red 
tape and regulations on highways, beyond a minimum standard of safety, 
so that states and cities can use their dollars to address local 
mobility with organic solutions. The federal gas tax should remain but 
be used, instead, to subsidize locally sponsored projects that promote 
walkability, micromobility, and transit.
    The benefits of reforming federal highway funding and changing the 
way we spend the federal gas tax would be swift and tangible. First, 
giving states and cities more latitude will encourage local innovation, 
helping us find better transportation solutions and root out failed 
practices. Second, it will compel honest accounting of the cost of car-
centric infrastructure. Right now, federal gas tax revenue incentivizes 
states to build and build without thinking about the compounded costs 
of maintaining an ever-expanding roadway, which are paid for by our 
children in the form of federal debt. Eliminating that revenue stream 
eliminates that unsustainable incentive. Third, a transparent account 
of the costs of maintenance will make it more likely that states 
implement strategies like congestion pricing and improved alternative 
mobility options, like cycling lanes, rail, and on-demand transit. The 
transition will be disruptive to politicians and bureaucrats, but the 
net effect will be a lower carbon footprint, better mobility, and more 
walkable downtowns.

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    Both parties will be reluctant to reform a system that has been in 
place for 70 years and funds critical infrastructure. The federal 
government, though, is not abandoning the Interstate Highway System; it 
is transitioning to the tried-and-tested model of federalism, which has 
mediated infrastructure governance since the time of Alexander 
Hamilton. Indeed, the original highway law envisioned that transition 
happening by the 1970s. Robust federal involvement was necessary at the 
inception and construction of a grand enterprise. Now, though, the 
highways are the laggard, not the vanguard, of mobility innovation; 
federal involvement has gone from catalyzing a new endeavor, in the 
1950s, to micromanagement and mission creep in the 21st century. 
Washington owns less than 1% of all public roads, but has spending 
jurisdiction over 85% of vehicle miles of travel. Centralized control 
is suffocating the next generation of mobility innovation.
    The world has changed since the 1950s. The postwar experiment of 
car-centric infrastructure is not working. It has exacerbated climate 
change. It has hamstrung our budgets. It has hollowed out our 
downtowns. We need a new Eisenhower project dedicated to a simple 
proposition: An American should not need to own a car to thrive in this 
century. That requires handing the highways over to the states, and 
redirecting the federal gas tax to infrastructure for walking, cycling, 
transit, and other Strong Towns initiatives.

    Mr. Auchincloss. Thank you.
    Mr. Millar, if you were free, as secretary of 
transportation, from Federal regulations and the Federal 
funding umbilical cord for highways, and instead, you had to 
maintain your own highways with State-generated funds, and to 
think about transportation from first principles in your State, 
how might things change?
    Mr. Millar. Mr. Congressman, that is a great question. 
Prior to COVID, Federal funding was 15 percent of the budget of 
the Washington State DOT. It is currently about 30 percent of 
our budget, but it is a fraction, a very important and very, 
very, welcome and appreciated fraction.
    But what I--there are two things I don't do as secretary of 
transportation in Washington State. I don't appropriate the 
money, and I don't set policy. That is done by our State 
legislature. Our State legislature in the 2023-2025 biennium 
has invested $406 million in public transportation, invested 
$150 million in active transportation, invested substantially 
in decarbonizing our fleet. We are working with transit 
agencies across the State on decarbonization.
    If there is one thing I could do--and I have asked the 
legislature to consider this as they move forward--we have 
about 1,100 miles of highway, State highway, in Washington 
State that go through population centers, not the limited-
access freeways, but--you mentioned Strong Towns, the 
``stroads,'' the roads----
    Mr. Auchincloss [interrupting]. You are a Strong Towns 
reader.
    Mr. Millar. I am familiar with Strong Towns, yes.
    Mr. Auchincloss. That is terrific.
    Mr. Millar. We have recommended a safety program, a 
competitive grant program specifically for State highways that 
go through population centers because we are trying to move 
people through those spaces while providing access to those 
spaces at the same time. And the need for pedestrian and 
bicycle and automobile safety investment is huge because the 
fatality rates on those highways are twice the State average.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Yes.
    Mr. Millar. The serious injury rates on those highways are 
three times the State's average.
    Mr. Auchincloss. Yes. Unfortunately, it is going to persist 
for so long as the Federal Government continues to incentivize 
car-centric highway infrastructure, as opposed to empowering 
States to connect people to jobs and services through the 
multitude of modalities: walking, cycling, micromobility. We 
need to let the States run their transportation systems and not 
be subsidizing automobiles.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Ms. Maloy.
    Ms. Maloy. First of all, thank you all for being here. This 
has been a long hearing. I had to leave and come back, and you 
have been here the whole time, so, I appreciate your stamina.
    Ms. Benford, I want to build on something you talked about. 
When you were talking about how the States need flexibility and 
every State is not the same, you mentioned Wyoming and the long 
distances people have to travel along stretches of highway. I 
represent Utah, and we have similar problems. And in some parts 
of my district, similar weather.
    So, I am just going to put in a shameless plug here. I have 
a bipartisan, bicameral bill called the MORE DOT Grants Act 
that would help address some of the problems you talked about 
with States being unable to meet the matching requirements for 
some of these grants, particularly in rural areas and rural 
areas with a lot of public land, where they don't have the tax 
base to come up with the matching, but they have the same need 
to maintain roads. So, for your associates who are struggling 
with this in rural areas, have them look into the bill and talk 
to their representatives.
    But I agree that States need flexibility. Not all States 
are the same. One of the things that I think applies to 
everybody--and I want to hear from everyone on the panel about 
this--that you talked about, Ms. Benford, is CEQ and the slow 
permitting reform. Permitting reform is one of the things I 
love to talk about. I think there are a lot of things we could 
do that would not be environmentally harmful at all that would 
save the taxpayers a lot of time and money and process.
    So, I just want to go down the panel, starting at this end 
and work to the other end. What permitting reforms would be 
helpful to you that wouldn't harm any of our environmental 
protections, but would make things move faster so that we are 
keeping up with inflation and the costs of building these 
projects?
    Ms. Benford. Thank you for that question. I would agree 
that the CEQ did have good--they implemented a few permitting 
efficiencies, and I think that that is important that we take 
those to heart, like setting deadlines, page limits, and making 
sure that we actually answer the questions in a timely manner 
so that the projects can proceed.
    Again, I talk a lot about collaboration, and that is a big 
piece of it, making sure that all of our partners are 
collaborating and meeting their deadlines so that we can 
continue forward with our work.
    Ms. Maloy. Thank you.
    Mr. Tucker?
    Mr. Tucker. Congresswoman, if I may, can I pass my baton 
here to the secretary first?
    Ms. Benford. Sure.
    Mr. Millar. Thank you, Congresswoman. I think what we need 
first and foremost is adequate funding of Federal resource 
agencies so that they are staffed appropriately to respond to 
the regulations that they are charged with.
    What I find quite often is it's not the regulation that's 
slowing us down, it is that there is nobody there to review the 
data and get the report done and get the work taken care of. 
So, yes, I think the rules are the rules, but what slows me 
down is when I don't--we actually, as a DOT, we provide our 
funding to resource agencies so that they can staff and do the 
work they need to do for us. If they were funded and staffed 
appropriately, I think you would see things move a lot faster.
    Ms. Maloy. I have seen the same problem in projects that I 
have worked on, and I appreciate the answer. I would submit 
that if the permitting regulations weren't so onerous, we 
wouldn't require as much staffing time, and so we could solve 
that problem on both ends. Thank you.
    Mr. Edwards. Thank you, Congresswoman. I think on the 
maritime space, as I mentioned earlier, not so much directly 
permitting, but improving the NEPA process. Not to avoid the 
NEPA process in any State, but to modernize it, and in 
particular with the Maritime Administration, to modernize--
which hasn't, to my understanding, on certain exclusions, 
happened since 1985.
    Ms. Maloy. OK, thank you.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentlelady yields back.
    Ms. Scholten.
    Ms. Scholten. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you so much to 
each of our witnesses for being here today and for your 
important testimony.
    Well, my colleagues are rightfully concerned about the cost 
and the impacts of inflation on infrastructure spending. I 
believe it gives us all the more reason to utilize IIJA and IRA 
dollars that have been set aside, which--the funding here 
provides once-in-a-generation infrastructure investments. This 
past year alone, my district has been awarded grant funding for 
airport infrastructure, pipeline safety, and railroad 
improvements, just to name a few.
    Mr. Millar, you mentioned that workforce availability is a 
huge challenge. We know it all too well in my district across 
several industries. Across the country, we are facing 
incredible challenges recruiting and maintaining a qualified 
workforce. That's why I introduced the Honoring Vocational 
Education Act, a bill that would include vocational education 
under the category of post-secondary education in the United 
States census.
    You mentioned that Washington State has several State-
funded internships and pre-apprenticeship programs. Does the 
State utilize grant funds for those programs, and do you think 
those programs have scalability to the Federal level?
    Mr. Millar. Thank you for the question, Congresswoman. I am 
hoping that ``once-in-a-generation'' turns to ``first for this 
generation,'' and that we see a continuing level of robust 
funding support from the Federal Government.
    The work that we do with State funding--when we look at the 
Federal money that comes into our State, we apply it as 
efficiently and as effectively as we can, and we find the most 
efficient and effective place to spend that money is on 
preservation work. So, we tend to put the Federal money into 
the preservation work, and then we use State funding for the 
other things that we do because, quite often, bringing Federal 
funding into some of those more complex activities, there are 
too many strings attached to it, it becomes awkward for us.
    We do have a robust pre-apprenticeship support services 
program, on-the-job training program, a welcoming workplace 
program. We are working with the AGC. We have a capacity-
building mentorship program, where we are bringing 
disadvantaged businesses into the transportation space.
    All of those programs we have discussed with our Federal 
partners, and we are in conversations right now with U.S. DOT 
on how do you make those projects and programs that can be done 
efficiently and effectively in the Federal space, because some 
of my partners around the country--again, I was president of 
AASHTO until November of last year--a lot of my partners don't 
have the advantages that I have in Washington State in terms of 
their robust State funding. And so, Federal funding is quite 
often the only resource that is available to them.
    Ms. Scholten. Thank you so much. My next question is for 
anyone.
    As we continue to face the very real prospect of another 
continuing resolution here in Congress, one thing--certainly 
budget talks divide us on opposite sides of the aisle. But one 
thing that unites us around this is, I think, that we can all 
agree a continuing resolution is no way to appropriate long 
term.
    Can you talk about the impacts of failing to pass full 
appropriations on State budgets?
    Mr. Millar. It impacts us when continuing resolutions--it 
is not the full funding, and it provides this uncertainty. It 
is very difficult to plan and program when you have uncertainty 
in the mix. So, fund it, I guess, would be--the nice thing 
about the transportation space is through the IIJA, you have 
made the big policy call. So, it just needs to be funded, from 
our perspective.
    Mr. Edwards. Congresswoman, from my perspective, what I 
would say is on the actual appropriation of dollars--because we 
are largely working with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, once 
they are funded, they are funded. So, they are not subject to 
restriction of a continuing resolution.
    Living in Hampton Roads, I am very conscious that I live 
with a large military set of neighbors and a large Coast Guard, 
and they clearly can have their own services impacted, as can 
the CBP. And in particular, making sure that all of--if those 
services are not working, ports and gateways will be 
restricted.
    Ms. Scholten. Exactly. Thank you.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. D'Esposito.
    Mr. D'Esposito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Tucker, since the Biden border crisis began, it has 
been true that every State is now a border State, every town a 
border town, every city a border city. However, it seems that 
this is becoming more true every day, and that every American, 
including my constituents thousands of miles from the southern 
border, are truly feeling the effects of our open, porous 
borders.
    Recently, the CBP briefly suspended rail operations through 
international rail crossings in Eagle Pass and El Paso, Texas, 
which led to delays in the movement of goods. The Union Pacific 
Railroad noted that more than 60 trains, or nearly 4,500 cars, 
were being held south of our border.
    If I could just ask, how does this delay and suspension 
affect the supply chain overall?
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, this stoppage was unannounced. It 
was fairly a surprise to industry, right?
    At the same time, photos and videos show a true 
humanitarian crisis happening with deaths of children and 
others falling from these trains, right? So, really, I am just 
glad that I am not in charge at the moment, but those who are 
in charge need to work more closely with industry. Those in 
charge need to collaborate with industry so that we in industry 
have the opportunity to circumvent an event like that, or 
prevent an event like that, or find other ways to achieve the 
same outcome.
    Mr. D'Esposito. Well, I think lack of communication and 
surprises are a highlight of this administration.
    So, in addition to addressing the supply chain overall, how 
do decisions, bad decisions like these and lack of 
communication, how does that affect logistics industries 
throughout this country and companies like your own?
    Mr. Tucker. Well, I think that our industry is used to 
disruptions. So, it's just another day, unfortunately. However, 
that's not a good answer. That's not a good answer for our 
customers or consumers or the American citizens.
    So, again, I just underscore the importance of 
collaborating with industry. We are here to help. I think we 
have got really open minds and the ability to do just about 
anything, I think, as we have proven through the pandemic. So, 
communication, clarity, and collaboration are so important.
    Mr. D'Esposito. Now, we have seen the negative effects of 
the border crisis throughout this country, whether it is 
increased crime, whether it is the inability of sanctuary 
cities to make sure that they can provide to be that sanctuary, 
whether it is--what we have seen--an influx of migrants into 
communities that don't have the ability to care for them. What 
other effects is the border crisis--have you seen negatively 
impact the supply chain or businesses like yours?
    Mr. Tucker. Consistent with the theme of a lot of my 
written and oral communication or testimony, the border is 
increasingly becoming, from a freight standpoint, the border is 
increasingly becoming a bottleneck, right, to the flow of 
goods.
    The good news is we won't have to wait a couple of weeks 
for a lot of our products to come from China. We can ship them 
up by train. We can ship them up by truck, or we can create 
them in our own country, which is also happening, right, which 
is wonderful to see.
    So, I think making sure that we invest in those 
thoroughfares and that they keep moving is important.
    Mr. D'Esposito. And I know that you mentioned in your 
testimony--we briefly touched on fraud, and you mentioned that 
these were bad people. And you said that fraud is a growing 
problem in the supply chain costing nearly $1 billion for 
American consumers.
    You also mentioned how the Federal Motor Carrier Safety 
Administration has fallen short on enforcing laws or 
investigation complaints, often leading to malicious actors not 
facing consequences. What are the most common types of fraud 
that you are seeing in your industry?
    Mr. Tucker. We see bad actors, just flat-out criminals 
masquerading as a trucking company, accepting loads as a 
trucking company, pretending with the same address, same area 
code--because you can buy them for cheap--and making it look 
almost like you are the motor carrier. We see that. We see bad 
actors pretending to be brokers, offering loads. We see part of 
two different freight crime organizations, and we see lots of 
criminal organizations surveilling shippers with valuable goods 
and trying to steal the trailers and/or tractors.
    Mr. D'Esposito. I think this is another example in our 
country where those need to be held accountable that are 
violating the trust of the people. So, hold the faith, keep the 
faith.
    And I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. DeSaulnier.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Secretary, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions. And 
being from the East Bay of the San Francisco Bay area, very 
directed at your earlier comments about Highway 5 and putting 
the infrastructure on renewables and matching it up to 
alternative fuel fleets, both heavy-duty and cars and trucks.
    So, you mentioned we work on the spine, Highway 5, up and 
down the west coast. But then for people like me to get to the 
Port of Oakland or to get to the urban areas, getting through 
restricted geography, which is not dissimilar, to some degree, 
from Puget Sound, not just Highway 9, but how you envision 
connecting Highway 5 to the urban areas, particularly, well, 
Seattle, Portland, San Francisco Bay area, and Los Angeles, San 
Diego.
    Mr. Millar. In the context of alternative----
    Mr. DeSaulnier [interposing]. Alternative fuels.
    Mr. Millar. Yes.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. So, that new generation of energy. How do 
we make sure it's connected, including with the public sector?
    One of my admonitions in this committee to the Secretary 
and others is: Let's put it where the market is.
    Mr. Millar. Yes, we are working on charging stations along 
the I-5 corridor, along the I-90 corridor--I am sure down in 
California, you are on the I-80 corridor, as well--for light 
trucks and passenger vehicles and building that system out as 
we go, working with the metropolitan planning organization on a 
regional plan for the central Puget Sound.
    In the freight space, we are working with industry and with 
our partners in Oregon and California. We have the privilege 
of--PACCAR is headquartered in Washington State, and I have had 
the opportunity to drive their new fuel cell trucks and the 
like. The technology is there.
    We have a cost problem right now. So, one of the things we 
are doing is, we are working on where can we intercede and make 
those trucks more affordable for drayage companies and the 
like.
    And the other is putting the fueling in place. We are 
blessed with abundant hydropower in Washington State, which 
gives us a great opportunity to produce hydrogen at low cost at 
the dams.
    So, all of that work is going on, and we are again 
collaborating with Oregon and Washington. We have the west 
coast electric vehicle highway in place. We have the west coast 
heavy vehicle highway in place. With the IIJA, we are getting 
Federal dollars into the vehicle charging and into research and 
the like. So, a lot of progress in that space. These things 
take time, though.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. And secondarily, the workforce that does 
this, our renewable portfolio standard in California when I was 
in the legislature, the IBEW benefited from that greatly. Not 
all unions or nonunion people did, just because of the nature 
of that.
    The nature of deepwater ports on the west coast and the 
Pacific rim and energy. I have four fossil fuel refineries in 
my district. Transitioning that workforce with the same map 
that we look at financing for transportation and regulatory 
efforts for air quality, and the $380 billion in the Inflation 
Reduction Act, the Davis-Bacon provisions in the infrastructure 
bill. Just looking at--between your labor department and your 
transportation people and your resource people, California--we 
struggle with this because we are a big State--is getting 
everybody to coordinate because there are plenty of jobs, as I 
look at it, when we transition the workforce, and it is not 
just the IBEW.
    Could you speak to efforts that you are doing, either in 
Washington State or in collaboration with your partners, to 
make sure that the workforce--there is a clear transition that 
is healthy for the economy, not shutting off fossil fuels, but 
that transition and that partnership.
    Mr. Millar. Transitions are important, Congressman. If 
there is anything I have learned over the last 45 years is if 
you don't do things with people, they assume you are doing it 
to them, and you kind of deserve what you get.
    So, when we are looking at these transitions--like, I was 
the board chair of the Intelligent Transportation Society of 
America for a while, and we were talking about mobility on 
demand, and automated vehicles, and the rest. I said, ``You 
need to have labor at the table when those conversations are 
going on.'' As we decarbonized our fleet, like our Washington 
State Ferries fleet, going to a hybrid electric ferry means we 
are going to need more electrical skills, maybe less diesel 
mechanic skills. Diesel mechanics are concerned. Bring them to 
the table, have those conversations together. There are plenty 
of opportunities if we work as a team.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. Well, and you talk to a steelworker or UA 
member or a boilermaker, it is even more of a transition, and 
they are concerned, as they should be, but their jobs are still 
valuable in doing the transition right.
    Mr. Millar. Sure.
    Mr. DeSaulnier. You have got a lot of experience at it, so, 
the modeling you have done is valuable to us. And the degree 
that you can inform us on how we can make that more effective, 
that would be appreciated.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Owens.
    Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. Chair and Ranking Member. First 
of all, thank you for your insight. It has been very 
informative so far and, obviously, we have a lot of work to do.
    The Biden administration has failed to address, let alone 
acknowledge, the crisis at our border, our southern border, as 
has been spoken today and talked about. It has led to shutdowns 
of essential rail crossings, threatening billions in cross-
border rail traffic commerce that fuels our economy.
    As President Biden continues the record spending of our 
taxpayer dollars on woke policies, our critical infrastructure 
remains compromised. We see bike lanes being prioritized over 
building and shoring up our bridges. We see chargers for EVs 
that only a minority of Americans can use, prioritized over a 
robust, consistent electric grid that every American needs. We 
see the Biden administration's Department of Transportation 
clearly picking favorites by allocating funding for deep blue 
intercity rail projects, while at the heart of our Nation, our 
rural communities are increasingly falling behind.
    Across my district, small businesses and corporations 
depend on a state-of-the-art infrastructure that supports the 
easy, convenient, and consistent movement of goods, services, 
and people. This ensures successful businesses and the growth 
of a robust, successful middle class. Instead, the Biden 
administration is giving us a crushing woke regulatory agenda.
    This is for everyone, and I am going to start with Mr. 
Edwards.
    Each year, 32,000 CBP officers provide trade enforcement at 
328 ports of entry, processing more than 24 million containers 
by sea, truck, and rail. In Utah, we are innovating to execute 
a bold vision of an inland port authority. As this committee 
and the transportation industry looks at modernizing the way we 
trade, how do inland ports fit the objective to improve trade, 
minimize the supply chain bottlenecks, and hold China 
accountable?
    Mr. Edwards, would you start off?
    Mr. Edwards. To be clear, Congressman, your question was: 
How do inland ports assist in the process?
    Mr. Owens. Yes.
    Mr. Edwards. So, at the Port of Virginia, we operate two 
inland ports, one in Richmond and one in Front Royal in 
northern Washington. And we are looking at a third in southwest 
Virginia. The way it helps with supply chain is the speed with 
which we move the goods through the seaport. So, we are taking 
them away from the largest nodal point. The cargo is moving 
through the largest nodal point as fast as we can, and then it 
can move in-bond, and that allows for CBP to do their work at a 
further inland location.
    That still requires that cargo to go through screening 
because it is coming into the United States at first port of 
entry, so, it will be screened at the first location from a 
safety perspective. But it is--the fluidity that it provides 
into the supply chain is where the benefit is.
    Mr. Owens. OK, thank you.
    Mr. Millar?
    Mr. Millar. Yes. On the intermodal ports issue, there are a 
lot of small, inland ports in Washington State that very much 
want to be that facility. But we have to understand the market 
for that, and how that works in terms of moving freight 
nationally.
    Mr. Owens. And is----
    Mr. Millar [interrupting]. And that moving freight 
nationally may mean that the appropriate place for an 
intermodal port isn't in Washington State, it's in Utah, it's 
in Wyoming, it is somewhere else. And so, having those 
conversations at a regional or corridor scale is important.
    We are working right now as a part of the AASHTO team. 
There is an Interstate 80 corridor that is looking from the 
west coast to the east coast, what do we do as a team to make 
that corridor smarter and more efficient?
    We have the same thing on the I-90 corridor on the northern 
side, and then I-10, as well. It's more than the----
    Mr. Owens [interrupting]. I want to make sure we get some 
feedback also, so, thank you so much. Just real quickly, and 
then I have a question for you at the very end.
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, I would say that I agree with what 
has been said thus far. And if it is OK with you, I could 
respond later in writing.
    Mr. Owens. OK, thank you so much.
    Ms. Benford, as you know, last month, the Federal Highway 
Administration released a final ruling requiring States to set 
new standards of acceptable greenhouse gas emissions for the 
National Highway System. Aside from the fact that this 
administration does not have the legal authority to implement a 
greenhouse gas performance measure, rural communities in my 
district have raised concerns that small municipalities cannot 
replace commuter traffic, auto traffic, and reduce carbon 
emissions with new subways or rapid transit bus systems.
    Do you share any of these concerns about the demands made 
on these communities?
    Ms. Benford. Yes, I think I would share all the concerns 
that you just said. Being a rural community, again, I mentioned 
earlier that we emit less carbon dioxide emissions than many 
other States. And so, for us to follow those rules and decrease 
our emissions would--we are afraid what that would look like to 
our transportation system, and what kind of projects may not 
come out because of that.
    Mr. Owens. Well, I look forward to working with you on 
that, because we have the very same concerns. And across the 
country, rural communities are doing the same. So, thank you so 
much. I appreciate it.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman yields back.
    Ms. Titus.
    Ms. Titus. Thank you Mr. Chairman, thank the witnesses for 
being here.
    I don't see how we can talk about the state of 
transportation without acknowledging the just historic 
investments that were made by the bipartisan infrastructure 
bill and the work that Secretary Buttigieg and Mitch Landrieu 
have done identifying good projects, involving governments at 
all levels, emphasizing equity, and getting the money out the 
door as soon as possible.
    I represent southern Nevada, Las Vegas primarily, and I 
have been working for many years, since 2001, to get a speed 
train between Las Vegas and southern Nevada. And now that has 
become a reality. We had $3 billion appropriated out of this 
bill to start this speed train. They expect that it will be 
done in time for the Olympics in Los Angeles. We have labor 
agreements in place, we also have done the environmental 
studies. It's about ready to break ground.
    And listen to how it will be such a game changer. It's 
going to generate over $10 billion in economic activity, reduce 
carbon monoxide emissions by 400,000 tons, create more than 
35,000 construction jobs, most of which are labor jobs, good-
paying, good-benefit jobs. So, that is certainly a benefit that 
we have as we talk about the state of transportation.
    Also, though, we are seeing a record amount of funding from 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and the IRA about water 
quality, preventing erosion, keeping more water in Lake Mead. 
This helps to preserve the viability of natural resources in 
the West, and certainly ties to transportation.
    So, I would ask you, Secretary Millar, looking at the fact 
that Nevada has received over $6.2 billion from these laws, 
with many of the investments focused on underserved groups or 
underrepresented groups, and that includes $580 million to 
ensure greater access to broadband, including in these rural 
areas that some have suggested aren't getting their share, and 
also millions in funding to improve the interconnectedness of 
public transit that so many people use to get to school, get to 
work, get to the doctor.
    So, I would say, what are some of the ways that you are 
using it in Washington to expand access for these populations, 
and in keeping with one of the goals of the administration for 
equity in transportation?
    Mr. Millar. Well, thank you for that question. We are 
spending formula dollars, and we are encouraging our local 
governments to apply for the discretionary grant dollars in a 
number of areas.
    One program, the PROTECT program, for example, we elected 
to suballocate all of the money that Washington State got to 
local governments. And we are working with two Native American 
Tribes, their towns, their villages that--the headquarters of 
their Tribal units are on the Washington coast, and they are 
subject to sea level rise. And so, we are using the PROTECT 
money to move those communities back and up so that they are 
safe.
    We are also making a point of investing in the overburdened 
communities of Washington State. We have the Justice40 stuff 
that we talk about at a national level. In Washington State, we 
call it the Healthy Environment for All Act, or the HEAL Act, 
that requires us to put an equity lens on every expenditure 
that we make. So, the money we are receiving for bicycle and 
pedestrian infrastructure is going into overburdened 
communities. The money we see for public transportation 
infrastructure is going into overburdened communities. The 
money we receive for preservation work is going into 
overburdened communities.
    We put together a bridge program, a competitive bridge 
program for bridge rehabilitation and replacement for local 
governments up to $25 million a project, no local match 
requirement at all. In 2023, we did 50 local bridges with that 
money.
    Ms. Titus. Well, I am glad to hear that. Those are the kind 
of things we should be doing, and those are the goals of the 
administration, not only to have policy cross all levels of 
Government, but to go into all parts of the community.
    Something that we are working on, too--I suspect it's kind 
of like your HEAL Act--are the Safe Streets, to be sure the 
streets are safe for all kinds of transportation, whether 
somebody is walking, or riding a bicycle, taking the bus, on 
one of the little scooters if you are disabled, and that's 
another way we can spread this money to all communities. So, I 
appreciate hearing from you about that.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentlelady yields back. Now to the man with 
the brightest tie I have ever seen in my life, Mr. Van Drew.
    Dr. Van Drew. Thank you, Chairman. It was a dark, cold 
morning, and I was up very early, and I just wanted to brighten 
my day. I am getting ready for St. Paddy's Day, too.
    Mr. Tucker, you are from New Jersey. What part of New 
Jersey?
    Mr. Tucker. From Haddonfield, New Jersey.
    Dr. Van Drew. OK, so--well, I am almost in your district, 
but not quite. As you know, I have six counties in south 
Jersey, about 40 percent of the State, geographically. So, I 
bet that you come down in my district and vacation once in a 
while.
    Mr. Tucker. I own a place in--yes, at the beach, Ocean 
City.
    Dr. Van Drew. Which town? Ocean City. Beautiful. Good, glad 
to hear it. Spend a lot of money when you're there.
    [Laughter.]
    Dr. Van Drew. Anyhow, thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Joe Biden, which is going to be an unusual tack I'm taking, 
but you've got to follow me with this--he has let the southern 
border crisis get so bad that it is even affecting our Nation's 
supply chain. This past September and December, there were two 
separate shutdowns of international freight rail crossings at 
El Paso and Eagle Pass, Texas, and there was no indication of 
when they would even reopen. These closures were due to an 
historic influx of illegal immigration. We all know it. We see 
it.
    There are over 8 million illegal immigrants in a few more 
months have entered the country, 300,000 illegal entries just 
in the month of December, 300,000. At the current rate, the 
number of illegal immigrants in our country will exceed the 
population of our home State, the State of New Jersey, in as 
little as 5 more months. The administration is literally 
creating the 51st State and the 10th most populous, fully 
comprised of illegal aliens.
    These realities are contributing to the issues our supply 
chain faces even thousands of miles away from the southern 
border. It affects the entire country. In total, these rail 
border crossings account for roughly $34 billion in commerce. 
This is just one facet of our supply chain. How much more money 
does our country need to lose due to the effects of these 
illegal crossings? How much more evidence does this 
administration need before it will finally take action? Enough 
is enough.
    Mr. Tucker, my friend from New Jersey, this question is for 
you. How do these closures impact both security and our supply 
chain relating to the southern border?
    Mr. Tucker. Congressman, the unexpected nature of the 
closures for freight is harmful. It's harmful for the 
railroads, it's harmful for the truckdrivers, it's harmful for 
the shippers, it's harmful for the receivers, it's harmful for 
the processors who are expecting to receive those goods, it's 
harmful for the retailers, it's harmful for the consumers.
    There is a humanitarian crisis associated with what is 
happening down there with individuals jumping onto the train, 
children and women and men and people of all ages. So, as I 
said earlier, I am glad that I am not the one in charge having 
to deal with this mess. But what I can encourage our leaders to 
do is to work more closely, collaborate more, and communicate 
more with industry to engage industry's help, and give industry 
time to figure alternative routes if a crisis occurs.
    And so, that's the main message, is: We are here. We are 
very involved every single day in the supply chain, and we are 
really smart people. But when we are surprised, and we don't 
have any opportunities to divert in enough time, that is very 
painful.
    Dr. Van Drew. I appreciate your candid answer. I have one 
more question. I know we only have a few seconds, but there is 
a lot of new technology out there, and this new technology 
enables us to have autonomous trucking, which concerns me a 
great deal. If you could, briefly comment on that.
    And also what concerns me is the new technology. I bought a 
new vehicle, a GMC--I guess not politically correct, a Yukon 
Denali, but I have a lot of people that sometimes travel with 
me, and it's very safe and good. But the interesting thing, 
when I was updating the computer on that, when they wanted to 
update it, they said they would have to disable it for 15 
minutes.
    Is there actually the ability now--whoever knows the best 
on this can answer it--the ability to have a kill switch on a 
vehicle, and couldn't that expose us because of some of the 
cyber piracy that goes on?
    Who wants to answer that real quick?
    Mr. Tucker. I can't answer that question about is there 
that ability and does it relate to trucking. I can't, that's 
not my specialty. I will say that I, too, am concerned about 
the security and the nature of security when you have an 
80,000-pound vehicle on the road one day and perhaps it could 
be hacked into. I think a lot of work needs to be----
    Dr. Van Drew [interrupting]. And I know my time is up, but 
if they can turn it off to update it, they can turn it off just 
to turn it off. And somebody else might be able to hack into 
that. I appreciate your time.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Graves.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to 
thank you all for being here today.
    Before I get started, Ms. Benford, Ms. Maloy asked you 
about some of the regulatory, and I want to clarify one thing. 
In fact, I will tell you a quick story.
    When Mitch Landrieu called and was talking to me about 
being named the infrastructure czar, potentially taking that 
position, he asked me what I thought. And I told him, I said, 
``Here is your problem. Your problem is that this 
administration's regulatory agenda is entirely incompatible 
with the infrastructure agenda,'' meaning your regulatory 
agenda, it just continues becoming more and more bureaucratic, 
more and more redtape, more and more steps until you can't 
build things.
    And we have seen that. As a matter of fact, taking 
Brookings Institute data from November of last year, time-wise, 
we were about 40 percent through the implementation of the 
IIJA. However, dollar-wise, we still have 80 percent of the 
discretionary money in the bank. And on top of it, when you 
start looking at the discretionary dollars--and I think this is 
a compounding problem--I think it's 50 percent, 50 percent of 
the discretionary funds are actually being spent on projects of 
$1 million or less.
    And so, look, everybody in this room supports 
infrastructure. We wouldn't be on this committee if we didn't. 
But our problem, I think, at least on this side of the dais, is 
that the infrastructure bill is not focused upon true Federal 
obligations or true Federal needs.
    Mr. Edwards, you have the gateway project, this massive 
$1.4 billion project. It is under your jurisdiction. If we are 
going to go out there and we are going to sprinkle these little 
$200,000, $300,000 grants all over, it's not advancing large-
scale projects that I think really include not just the 
interest of the Federal Government, but the obligation and 
responsibility.
    Lastly, Ms. Benford, coming back to my point here, those 
changes that you cited on dates and on pages, it's not because 
the administration or CEQ wanted to do it. It's because we 
mandated they do. We worked on legislation that was implemented 
that I will tell you the White House did not want to sign. They 
were forced to do it. It was one of, I think, the crown 
accomplishments of this Congress of folks, and it's not just 
about a 75-page limit on an EA, a 150-page limit on an EIS. 
It's not about a 1-year limit on the EA, a 2-year limit on an 
EIS. It raises the threshold. And when NEPA applies, it limits 
the scope to only reasonably foreseeable impacts. It ensures 
one Federal decision, not having this committee of folks out 
there trying to make decisions on natural resources. It really 
is crazy, what is going on right now.
    Secretary Millar, you noted the improper, perhaps, 
resourcing of agencies. I think we need to ask a different 
question. You were saying that's why it takes so long to get 
these things done. I think we need to ask a different question. 
Are we appropriately scoping the projects from a NEPA or an 
environmental review or a regulatory perspective? That's the 
first question. We don't need to go out there and go do all 
these useless steps, and I will give you an example.
    When the Deepwater Horizon oilspill happened in the Gulf of 
Mexico, we are looking through the oilspill plans. They are 
talking about walruses and polar bears--not kidding--in the 
Gulf of Mexico. And so, we can't go out there and go waste 
money on things that simply don't make sense.
    So, Mr. Edwards, I want to ask you a question about your 
participation in projects, and if you have ideas or thoughts on 
how we could further streamline the implementation of projects 
and stop all of this regulatory redtape, and just get wrapped 
around the axle.
    Mr. Edwards. All right, Congressman, thank you. What I 
would say is actually from a--taking a slightly different tack 
is that the Virginia Port Authority, we are a political 
subdivision, we stand alone. But we have an excellent working 
relationship with the Commonwealth of Virginia as a whole. And 
what we found on an integrated approach is we have been able to 
succeed. So, we have been able to get done the dollars we take 
to work.
    Now, it may be unique in our space. I have mentioned prior 
to two of your colleagues that we do believe there is some 
modernization needed within places like the Maritime 
Administration on their NEPA approach. But as a general point 
of order, whether it is I have either got a great team who know 
how to do this or we have managed to work our way through 
bureaucracies, but we are actually managing to get to work, and 
we are not holding up our gateway project.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you.
    Secretary Millar, I want to ask you a quick question. Half 
of my family lives and have lived in the Whidbey, Port Angeles, 
Suquamish, Vashon areas, and I have spent plenty of time on 
your ferries. Do you have any feedback on how the Federal 
Government could do a better job scoping where its focus is, as 
opposed to trying to throw a nickel at every $10 problem across 
the country?
    Mr. Millar. I think focusing strategically on projects like 
the Interstate 5 Bridge over the Columbia River or the Puget 
Sound Gateway--lots of people are doing gateways, we are doing 
a $2 billion one--but identifying the programs and projects 
that are truly of national significance, and putting programs 
like the Mega grant program, for example, together to address 
them, while at the same time addressing the rural communities 
and small towns who want a piece of the pie, as well.
    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
    Mr. Chairman, we have a $2 billion bridge in my hometown 
that should have been done 40 years ago. There is an I-10 
Bridge in Lake Charles that's on I-10 that is dilapidated. It 
is incredible, watching dollars being thrown at inappropriate 
priorities. And I really think we need to help the Federal 
Government focus.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mrs. Gonzalez-Colon.
    Mrs. Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to 
the witnesses for coming here today.
    I want to try to be brief, but Puerto Rico cannot be an 
exception on what is happening in terms of the Nation. Actually 
the Associated General Contractors and American Society of 
Civil Engineers rank infrastructure on the island with a D- 
when the average overall score for the U.S. was C-.
    So, in that sense, as you may know, Puerto Rico relies 
heavily on the maritime and shipping industry, and any delays 
or restrictions on maritime routes can potentially impact our 
island during regular operations, and more dramatically during 
emergency operations.
    Having said that, I do have a question for Ms. Benford. In 
that sense, Puerto Rico remains on the path towards recovery in 
the aftermath of Hurricanes Irma and Maria back in 2017. And 
since then, we have received historic allocations of emergency 
funds, some of which are meant to address our transportation 
infrastructure, including bridges, ports, roads, and our power 
grid. Time is of the essence of all these funds, and are 
available for a limited amount of time, and they are 
desperately needed by the residents of the island.
    And contractors are the key stakeholders. Could you please 
share some of your setbacks or challenges, if any, that have 
been identified by the AGC as a hindrance for contractors to 
bid or partake in disaster recovery projects financed by 
emergency Federal funds?
    Ms. Benford. Yes. So, what I would say is, as a contractor, 
there are three keys to us being successful: problem solving, 
collaboration, and schedule, right? And so, I will go back to--
and workforce is also an issue, and we have talked a lot about 
that today.
    But for us to be successful as a team and make sure that we 
actually get this money implemented on the ground for the 
public, it means that all parties have to work together. So, we 
have talked about permitting. All these things have been talked 
about today. And I think just to kind of sum it up, it requires 
everybody to be at the table and willing to take the necessary 
steps to make sure that we can get this in place for the 
public.
    Mrs. Gonzalez-Colon. You talked about permitting, we talk 
about workforce, and I do agree with that, and my office views 
the Associated General Contractors, especially the Puerto Rico 
chapter, as a key stakeholder in assessing the State and the 
rate of construction through Federal funds and State 
investment.
    But we do experience the same thing, like many of the 
States in the Nation, the rising costs on construction, and 
that is a big concern. We still have a lot of money that is not 
being used because we don't have the workforce to actually use 
it. And the same thing happened across the country.
    But in your views, are there any flexibilities that we can 
identify or put in place as regulations, as amendments to laws, 
whether those be regulatory or in statute, that could support 
contractors or contracting companies operating in areas with 
increased or fluctuating construction costs that we can help?
    I have heard ideas related to potential increase in 
flexibilities for--escalation cost is one of those. Would that 
be a helpful alternative?
    Another issue is, of course, the lack of workforce. And can 
you share some of the best practices by States the AGC adopted 
that lead to larger workforce numbers?
    Ms. Benford. So, I will start with price escalation. Our 
State does have price escalation. I would say that, as COVID 
hit and some other supply chains occurred, we did meet with our 
DOTs to try and get other supplies on those lists. And I think 
one thing that would be helpful is the 1980 Federal Highway's 
memo could be updated. A lot of people were confused as to 
whether they could utilize that memo when we were trying to get 
some other supplies on that list.
    And workforce, it has been talked about a lot, but as a 
contractor, workforce is our number-one resource. And so, we 
have to do what is best for them to retain and recruit them. 
And the best option for us is flexibility. Not one size fits 
all of us contractors in every State, even in the same State. 
We all have a different way to operate, we all have a different 
expectation of what our products look like.
    So, it's really flexibility. Giving us the ability--tools, 
but not mandating that those tools have to be utilized.
    Mrs. Gonzalez-Colon. Thank you. I know I am running out of 
time, but I just want to say to Mr. Edwards that Puerto Rico is 
heavily reliant on commercial maritime industry, so, that means 
that things like WRDA are most expected to work with ports and 
bays on the island, and the Army Corps of Engineers for port 
maintenance and improvements. And I know this committee is 
working to that end, as well.
    So, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Mr. Burlison.
    Mr. Burlison. Ms. Benford, in light of the trillions of 
dollars that have been spent on our transportation 
infrastructure, we still have a C- rating, which has been 
mentioned earlier in this hearing, according to the American 
Society of Civil Engineers.
    And when it comes to that infrastructure, some people might 
be asking, ``Why?'' How did we get to the point where we have a 
C- rating, despite how much money is being spent?
    Ms. Benford. So, I would say that our company really hasn't 
seen the dollars yet, and even in our State. So, as I mentioned 
in my testimony, there is a lag between the dollars that 
actually got sent to the States, the design of those projects, 
and then us as contractors actually seeing the work.
    So, I would say the bulk of the work actually hasn't hit us 
yet. And we are hoping--for Wyoming, we have been told that the 
end of 2024 into 2025 will be when we see that work hit.
    Mr. Burlison. I know this place likes to think that dollars 
are unlimited, but the fact is, they're not. I am looking at 
one of the appropriations that I consider wasteful, a wasteful 
program, and that's the nearly $8 billion that is sent to 
create electric vehicle charging stations, which, in my 
opinion, is a method of robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's robbing 
individuals from one sector of the economy or individuals who 
decide not to use an electric vehicle, to subsidize and pay for 
the infrastructure for the private-sector entity and/or 
individuals that are using electric vehicles. I don't think 
it's fair.
    But when I reflect on the fact that nearly $8 billion--how 
much is that? In this place, that's not a lot of money. But you 
know, where I come from, that's a hell of a lot of money, $8 
billion. In Missouri, we weren't able to expand--we had a 
dramatic need to expand I-70. And we still have a need to 
expand I-44 because of the amount of traffic. It's going to--
Missouri--because of that, the bill that did pass is going to 
spend $2.8 billion to expand I-70 all the way from St. Louis to 
Kansas City. That's a long way. And yet, when I think about the 
impact $8 billion could have if it's spent appropriately, it 
could really impact a lot of people. Correct?
    Ms. Benford. Yes, I would agree. I think it goes back to 
the flexibility of each State. I know that every State has 
different needs, and so, we just have to have that in mind.
    Mr. Burlison. Is it fair to say that it may not be that we 
have a spending problem, it's how we are prioritizing those 
dollars?
    Ms. Benford. Yes. Again, back to flexibility to give 
everyone--for us in Wyoming, I know we struggle with the EV 
stations in general. We travel hundreds of miles between 
cities. And so, we would be putting two or three between each 
city, and then how do you power those?
    So, there are challenges that come with designating money 
on its own. And we could, like you said, we could be using 
those dollars in different ways in our infrastructure.
    Mr. Burlison. Mr. Tucker, another reason why we have 
transportation issues and infrastructure issues is we place, in 
my opinion, a heavy regulatory burden on the industry. For 
example, trucking is not provided the flexibility that they 
need for their hours of service. FMCSA is close to finalizing a 
rule that would mandate the installation of speed limiters in 
trucks. Freight rail must give passenger rail, like Amtrak, the 
preference over the use of their rails, even though they don't 
even own the rail. Aviation is stifled by regulations requiring 
a shortage of pilots because we require a certain number of 
hours.
    With these examples, do you believe that strict regulations 
are a big reason why our transportation infrastructure is 
lacking?
    Mr. Tucker. I think there are a lot of different reasons. 
Certainly, regulation is one of them.
    I think, again, I have spoken frequently today about fraud 
in our industry, and that really does begin to slow things 
down. It causes a lot of pain, a lot of loss of cargo.
    And I want to reiterate the importance of FMCSA to focus on 
safety and a little bit less on obscure regulations that are 50 
years old or so and have no bearing today. We are still dealing 
with this as a trucking industry.
    Mr. Burlison. Thank you.
    Mr. Rouzer. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Mr. Burlison. I yield back.
    Mr. Rouzer. Well, thank you very much. Looking around, I 
don't see any other Members who have questions. I would like to 
thank our witnesses for their endurance today. It has been 
about 3 hours 15 minutes, and I appreciate the opportunity to 
have the back-and-forth. It was very informative.
    Seeing no other Members with questions, this concludes our 
hearing for today. I would like to thank each of our witnesses 
again for being here and their time.
    The committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 1:14 p.m., the committee was adjourned.]



                       Submissions for the Record

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    Statement of the National Stone, Sand, and Gravel Association, 
              Submitted for the Record by Hon. Sam Graves
              
    On behalf of the 450 members of the National Stone, Sand, & Gravel 
Association I am writing to thank the Committee on Transportation and 
Infrastructure for holding today's hearing on ``The State of 
Transportation''.
    NSSGA members consist of stone, sand and gravel producers; 
industrial sand suppliers; and the equipment manufacturers and service 
providers who support them. With upwards of 9,000 locations, the 
aggregates industry produces 2.5 billion tons of materials used 
annually in the United States. Aggregates are the building blocks of 
our modern society and are needed to construct and maintain roads, 
railways, bridges, tunnels, water supply, sewers, electrical grids and 
telecommunications. The aggregates industry is working to deliver the 
billions of tons of construction materials needed to build the roads, 
bridges, tunnels, rail, transit, ports, energy facilities (including 
solar and wind), water conveyance systems, broadband capacity, and 
public works project funded through Congress' 2021 adoption of the 
largest infrastructure investment in our nation's history--the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The State of 
Transportation is good but could be much better. For the past two 
years, we have supported rapid and efficient implementation of the IIJA 
and encouraged avoidance of policies not included in the IIJA being 
added to IIJA implementation. We are concerned that the historic 
investments included in the IIJA may not achieve the intended historic 
improvements to our transportation systems because of increased 
regulations and other Administration actions that advance policies not 
included in the IIJA. These additional regulatory burdens occur on top 
of workforce shortage challenges, increased inputs costs, including 
fuel, and wage increases.

                              Regulations

Federal Highway Administration Greenhouse Gas Performance Measure

    On December 7, 2023, the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) 
filed the final rule establishing national performance measures for 
reducing greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) associated with transportation. 
The rule amends 23 CFR Part 490 to add requirements for State DOTs and 
metropolitan planning organizations (MPOs) to establish declining 
carbon dioxide (CO2) targets and methods for measurement. The rule adds 
GHG measures to the National Highway Performance Program (NHPP) 
performance measures that FHWA established in 23 CFR part 490 through 
prior rulemakings.
    The FHWA's final rule relies upon ``reinterpreted'' legal authority 
in 150 U.S.C. 23 and 119 U.S.C. 23. The NSSGA filed comments in the 
FHWA docket for the rule arguing that no legal authority existed for 
the promulgation of the GHG Performance Measurement rule. We noted that 
Congress during the development of the IIJA, considered the issue of 
GHG measurement authority and rejected their inclusion.
    The NSSGA supports the reduction of global GHG emissions and 
strongly believes the establishment of authority to reduce GHG within 
Title 23 must occur through an act of Congress, not a rulemaking. It is 
only through an enactment that the authority claimed in the proposed 
rulemaking can be established. Just as importantly, the Congressional 
legislative process provides critical benefits to the proposed 
authority, including bi-partisan political benefits, improved policy 
structure and program design.

Project Labor Agreements

    On Dec. 22, 2023, the Biden administration published a final rule 
Federal Acquisition Regulation: Use of Project Labor Agreements for 
Federal Construction Projects. This rule implemented Executive Order 
14063, which subjected federal construction contracts of $35 million or 
more to anti-competitive and inflationary project labor agreements.
    The NSSGA joined a diverse group of construction and business 
associations opposing the new rule and other policies pushing 
controversial PLAs on federal and federally assisted construction 
projects funded by taxpayers. In comments filed in opposition to the 
rule, we pointed out that PLA mandates artificially exacerbate a 
shortage of construction industry skilled labor; discourage competition 
from quality large, small, and disadvantaged construction businesses; 
and needlessly increase construction costs at the expense of 
significant recent taxpayer investments in infrastructure, clean energy 
and domestic manufacturing construction.
    A PLA is a job site-specific collective bargaining agreement unique 
to the construction industry that typically requires companies to agree 
to recognize unions as the representatives of their employees on that 
job, use the union hiring hall to obtain most or all construction 
labor, hire apprentices from union-affiliated apprenticeship programs, 
follow union work rules and pay into union benefit and multiemployer 
pension plans that nonunion employees cannot access. This forces 
employers to pay ``double benefits'' into their existing plans and 
union plans, puts them at a significant competitive disadvantage and 
exposes them to unfunded multiemployer pension plan liabilities. In 
addition, PLAs typically require construction workers to pay union dues 
and/or join a union if they want to receive union benefits and work on 
a PLA project. If they do not satisfy these stipulations, nonunion 
workers lose an estimated 34% of their wages and benefits to union 
coffers and benefits plans--making them the victims of wage theft.

Particulate matter

    On January 6, 2023, the EPA announced a proposal to amend the 
National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS) for fine particle matter 
(PM). The NSSGA joined with the National Ready Mixed Concrete 
Association (NRMCA) and the Portland Cement Association (PCA), 
expressing deep concern over the proposed EPA PM standard that would 
lower the NAAQS particulate matter standard (PM 2.5) from 12.0 
micrograms per cubic meter of air ( g/m3) to within the range of 8.0 to 
11.0  g/m3. Reducing the proposed PM levels from 12  g/m3 to the 
proposed 8-11  g/m3 might appear small in theory, but its 
implementation would result in a significant shift, hindering the 
achievement of the Biden administration's core Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) objectives. Complying with the lower 
standard would force U.S. manufacturers to reduce operational hours, 
decreasing construction material output and potentially leading to 
layoffs. This shortage could cause construction delays, impeding the 
administration's $550 billion infrastructure overhaul. Furthermore, 
this move could shift opportunities for supplying building materials to 
overseas competitors due to stringent U.S. emissions regulations, 
potentially disadvantaging American manufacturers.

CEQ NEPA Phase 2

    The White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) has issued 
several actions that complicate the permitting process for large 
infrastructure projects under the National Environmental Permitting Act 
(NEPA). By broadening definitions, adding more criteria, and 
duplicative federal agency reviews, are hindering the development of 
infrastructure projects that seek to improve environmental outcomes. 
What is more frustrating is that these new actions run counter to the 
bipartisan NEPA reforms that were included in the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). Aggregates suppliers across the country 
crave certainty, as we work to supply the billions of tons of essential 
materials needed to improve roads; upgrade bridges; advance 
transportation systems and ports; and advance our modern energy 
infrastructure that will be funded by the investments provided by the 
bipartisan IIJA. This is especially important in the current economic 
environment where needless red tape will delay project implementation 
and drive-up costs of construction materials. On July 21, 2023, the 
Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) proposed a ``Bipartisan 
Permitting Reform Implementation Rule'' revising its implementing 
regulations for the procedural provisions of the National Environmental 
Policy Act (NEPA), including amendments to NEPA contained in the Fiscal 
Responsibility Act.
    The NSSGA supports the goals of NEPA to inform federal decision-
making and the public's understanding of the potential environmental 
impacts of federal actions to foster effective engagement in the 
federal decision-making process. A fair and efficient federal 
permitting system is essential for timely investment to meet a wide 
array of critical needs and is consistent with NEPA.
    Recognizing that an overly complex federal permitting process often 
impedes critical projects, Congress included in the Fiscal 
Responsibility Act of 2023 (``FRA''), which significant amendments to 
NEPA to simplify NEPA's overcomplicated, needlessly burdensome and 
often endless review process. The NSSGA joined coalition comments to 
CEQ's Regulations Revisions Phase 2 (``Proposed Rule'') pointing out 
provisions of the proposed rule that were contrary to the clear 
congressional intent and explicit direction on the FRA NEPA amendments.
    The Proposed Rule fails to respect the strong bipartisan spirit 
that drove the FRA's NEPA amendments and fails to effectively improve 
and further reform the permitting process. While it adopts, as it must, 
elements of the FRA, many of its provisions contradict the FRA's 
intent: to create a more efficient, predictable, and straightforward 
federal review process.
    The Proposed Rule revises the existing NEPA regulations to drive 
substantive outcomes favored by this Administration's policy 
priorities. This approach contravenes decades of case law, agency 
practice, and consistent government interpretation that achieved the 
fulfillment of NEPA's intent through a rigorous process to enable 
informed and transparent decisions, all without tipping the scales in 
favor of particular substantive outcomes. Favoring such particular 
outcomes is short-sighted and re-orients the application of a landmark 
statute in a fashion that ultimately is destabilizing and self-
defeating. If finalized in its current form, the Proposed Rule would 
portend a never-ending cycle of regulatory reversals between 
Administrations, eroding public confidence and depriving the business 
community and the public of the predictability needed for substantial 
investment in long-term projects.

Supply Chain

    Improvements to the reliability of rail service is an essential 
step towards improving the reliability of supply chains for aggregates. 
The NSSGA has supported actions by the Surface Transportation Board 
(STB) to improve service reliability, service consistency, and adequate 
local service. The NSSAG supports the STB's proposed rule on 
``Reciprocal Switching for Inadequate Service''. This rule will hold 
rail carriers accountable, provide rail shippers some measure of relief 
from poorly performing incumbent rail carriers, and enforce, in the 
Board's own words, ``unambiguous, uniform standards . . . consistently 
applied across Class I rail carriers and their affiliated companies.'' 
NSSGA continues to support this critical action and the NPRM as a 
whole, subject to the modifications NSSGA advanced in its comments. By 
providing reciprocal switching rules, aggregate shippers will be 
provided additional remedies for poor rail service. Further 
improvements to the efficiency and predictability of aggregate 
shipments are expected through soon to be announced amendments to STB's 
Emergency Service Regulations. These amendments are expected to provide 
shippers with an accelerated process for remedies in urgent situations 
of service impedance.

Build America, Buy American Act

    On August 23, 2023, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) 
released the final guidance implementing the Build American, Buy 
America Act (BABAA) contained in the IIJA. The NSSGA led efforts to 
ensure the final guidance accurately reflected Congressional intent 
with regard to the limitation of domestic content procurement 
preferences for materials listed in section 70917(c).
    While the guidance did accurately reflect congressional intent for 
section 70917(c), challenges remain in the consistent implementation of 
BABAA at the state level. State DOTs are employing varying BABAA 
compliance certifications which are inconsistent from one state to 
another. States continue to vary in their classification analysis for 
manufactured products versus construction materials leading to 
procurement confusion and slowed contract lettings. Further guidance 
from FHWA with more granular direction to the State should be provided 
to improve consistent implementation and reduce confusion and delay.

Conclusion

    In conclusion, the National Stone, Sand, & Gravel Association 
(NSSGA) extends its heartfelt gratitude to the Committee for the 
opportunity to testify and share insights on the current state of 
transportation. This hearing has been instrumental in highlighting the 
pivotal role of the aggregates industry in the development of our 
nation's infrastructure. As a key contributor to essential construction 
projects, our members face numerous challenges, including regulatory 
burdens, workforce shortages, and the complexities of implementing the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA). The Association's 
concerns regarding the Federal Highway Administration's greenhouse gas 
performance measures, the enforcement of Project Labor Agreements, and 
the amendments to particulate matter standards in the National Ambient 
Air Quality Standards are intended to underline our commitment to 
environmental stewardship balanced with practical regulation. As an 
industry, we are appreciative of the committee's willingness to 
consider these important perspectives, which are vital for navigating 
the intricate intersection of regulatory, environmental, and 
legislative frameworks in advancing the nation's infrastructure goals.

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Letter of January 26, 2024,  to Hon. Sam Graves, Chairman, and Hon. Rick 
 Larsen, Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, 
 from Catherine Chase, President, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, 
 Submitted for the Record by Hon. Eleanor Holmes Norton
 
                                                  January 26, 2024.
The Honorable Sam Graves, Chair,
The Honorable Rick Larsen, Ranking Member,
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure,
United States House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515.
    Dear Chairman Graves and Ranking Member Larsen:
    Thank you for convening the January 17, 2024, hearing, ``The State 
of Transportation.'' Ensuring the safety of the public on our nation's 
roadways is fundamental to a successful transportation system. 
Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety (Advocates) respectfully requests 
this letter be included in the hearing record.

               Roadway Safety Requires Swift Intervention
               
    On average, 118 people were killed every day on roads in the U.S. 
in 2021,\1\ totaling nearly 43,000 fatalities. An additional 2.5 
million people were injured.\2\ This represents a 27 percent increase 
in deaths in just a decade.\3\ Early projections for 2022 traffic 
fatalities remain high,\4\ as do estimates for the first six months of 
2023.\5\ In addition to vehicle occupants, other road users experienced 
upturns in deaths. Pedestrian fatalities grew by 13 percent, and 
bicyclist deaths were up two percent from 2020 to 2021.\6\ While 
pedestrian fatalities are estimated to have decreased one percent in 
2022, bicyclist fatalities spiked by 11 percent.\7\ We urge you to 
prioritize safety in policies and legislation involving roadway 
infrastructure, commercial motor vehicles (CMVs) and the supply chain.
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    \1\ Overview of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes in 2021, NHTSA, Apr. 
2023, DOT HS 813 435. (Overview 2021).
    \2\ Overview 2021.
    \3\ Traffic Safety Facts 2020: A Compilation of Motor Vehicle Crash 
Data, NHTSA, Oct. 2022, DOT HS 813 375, (Annual Report 2020); and 
Overview 2021; [comparing 2012 to 2021].
    \4\ Traffic Safety Facts: Crash Stats, Early Estimate of Motor 
Vehicle Traffic Fatalities in 2022, NHTSA, Apr. 2023, DOT HS 813 428. 
(Early Estimates 2022).
    \5\ National Center for Statistics and Analysis. (2023, September). 
Early estimate of motor vehicle traffic fatalities for the first half 
of 2023 (CrashStats Brief Statistical Summary. Report No. DOT 
HS 813 514). NHTSA.
    \6\ Overview 2021.
    \7\ Traffic Safety Facts: Crash Stats, Early Estimates of Motor 
Vehicle Traffic Fatalities And Fatality Rate by Sub-Categories in 2022, 
NHTSA, Apr. 2023, DOT HS 813 448.
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 Truck Crash Fatalities and Injuries are Alarmingly High and Extremely 
                                 Costly
                                 
    In 2021, 5,788 people were killed and nearly 155,000 people were 
injured in crashes involving large trucks.\8\ Since 2009, the number of 
fatalities in large truck crashes has increased by 71 percent.\9\ In 
that same timespan, the number of people injured in crashes involving 
large trucks increased by 109 percent.\10\ Early estimates indicate 
that in 2022, traffic fatalities in crashes involving at least one 
large truck were up another two percent; 5,887 people were killed.\11\ 
In fatal two-vehicle crashes between a large truck and a passenger 
motor vehicle, 97 percent of the fatalities were occupants of the 
passenger vehicle.\12\ The cost to society from crashes involving large 
trucks and buses was estimated to be $143 billion in 2019, the latest 
year for which data is available.\13\ When adjusted solely for 
inflation, this figure amounts to over $156 billion.\14\
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    \8\ Overview of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes in 2021, NHTSA, Apr. 
2023, DOT HS 813 435.
    \9\ Id. and Traffic Safety Facts 2020: A Compilations of Motor 
Vehicle Crash Data, NHTSA, Oct. 2022, DOT HS 813 375. Note, the 71 
percent figure represents the overall change in the number of 
fatalities in large truck involved crashes from 2009 to 2021. However, 
between 2015 and 2016 there was a change in data collection at U.S. DOT 
that could affect this calculation. From 2009 to 2015 the number of 
fatalities in truck-involved crashes increased by 21 percent, and 
between 2016 to 2019, it increased by 7.6 percent, and between 2020 and 
2021, it increased by 17 percent.
    \10\ Traffic Safety Facts 2021 Data: large Trucks, NHTSA, June 2023 
(Revised), DOT HS 813 452; Traffic Safety Facts 2020, NHTSA, Oct. 2022, 
DOT HS 813 375. Note, the 109 percent figure represents the overall 
change in the number of people injured in large truck involved crashes 
from 2009 to 2021. However, between 2015 and 2016 there was a change in 
data collection at U.S. DOT that could affect this calculation. From 
2009 to 2015 the number of people injured in truck-involved crashes 
increased by 59 percent, and between 2016 to 2019, it increased by 18 
percent, and between 2020 and 2021, it increased by 5 percent.
    \11\ Traffic Safety Facts: Crash Stats; Early Estimates of Motor 
Vehicle Traffic Fatalities and Fatality Rate by Sub-Categories in 2022, 
NHTSA, Apr. 2023, DOT HS 813 448.
    \12\ Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), Large Trucks. 
See: https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatalitystatistics/detail/large-
trucks.
    \13\ 2022 Pocket Guide to Large Truck and Bus Statistics, FMCSA, 
Dec. 2022, RRA-22-007.
    \14\ CPI Inflation Calculator, BLS, available at https://
www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm.
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  Prompt Implementation of The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act 
                           (IIJA) is Critical
                           
    Commonsense solutions were advanced by the Committee during the 
consideration of the IIJA.\15\ The Safe System Approach is incorporated 
in the IIJA and undertakes a holistic method to improve safety in the 
roadway environment. In addition, the IIJA authorizes safety upgrades 
to the Highway Safety Improvement Program (HSIP) that will help to 
protect all road users and prevent crashes. The ripple effect of these 
crash reductions is wide-ranging and includes less damage to 
infrastructure, less congestion caused by crashes, and less expenditure 
of first responder resources, among others. The Committee advanced 
additional vital provisions to improve safety on our nation's roads 
including those to address impaired driving, improve the safety of 
vulnerable road users, expand the Safe Routes to School program and 
mitigate underride crashes.
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    \15\ Pub. L. 117-58 (2021).
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 Opposition to Weakening Essential Safety Regulations Must be Resolute
 
    Issues involving the nation's supply chain have not been properly 
addressed for decades and should not be worsened. We urge the Committee 
to reject the following proposals that fail to address the root of 
these issues and will jeopardize all road users.
    ``Teen Truckers'' are a substantial threat to public safety. CMV 
drivers under the age of 19 are four times more likely to be involved 
in fatal crashes, as compared to CMV drivers who are 21 years of age 
and older, and CMV drivers ages 19-20 are six times more likely to be 
involved in fatal crashes (compared to CMV drivers 21 years and 
older).\16\ Yet, some segments of the trucking industry have been 
pushing to allow teenagers to operate CMVs in interstate commerce for 
at least 20 years, often relying on their own forecasts for the number 
of drivers needed as a rationale. These projections have consistently 
failed to materialize.\17\ The trucking industry continues to face a 
driver retention crisis, not a driver shortage. In fact, Mr. Jeffrey 
Tucker, Chief Executive Officer, Tucker Company Worldwide, testified 
during the hearing that there is not a driver shortage and perpetuating 
this falsehood could negatively affect the supply chain.\18\
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    \16\ Campbell, K. L., Fatal Accident Involvement Rates By Driver 
Age For Large Trucks, Accid. Anal. & Prev. Vol 23, No. 4, pp. 287-295 
(1991).
    \17\ FMCSA Document ID: 2000-84100-0782. American Trucking 
Associations, Truck Driver Shortage Analysis 2015 (Oct. 2015).
    \18\ ``The State of Transportation'' Hearing, U.S. House of 
Representatives Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, January 
17, 2024. Video available at: https://transportation.house.gov/
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    Driver fatigue plagues the trucking industry. The National 
Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has repeatedly cited fatigue as a 
major contributor to truck crashes.\19\ Self-reports of fatigue, which 
almost always underestimate the problem, find that fatigue in truck 
operations is a significant issue. Expanding the hours truck drivers 
can drive or undermining use of Electronic Logging Devices (ELDs) to 
track driving hours in an attempt to move more goods puts truck 
drivers, their loads and everyone on the roads with them at risk.
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    \19\ NTSB, Highway, Multivehicle Work Zone Crash on Interstate 95 
Cranbury, New Jersey, June 7, 2014, Accident Report NTSB/HAR-15/02 
(Aug. 11, 2015).
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    America's crumbling infrastructure needs improvements not 
disproportionate damage from overweight trucks that threaten public 
safety. While certain special interests advocate suspending federal 
limits on the weight and size of CMVs in response to purported supply 
chain issues, these laws are essential to protecting truck drivers, the 
traveling public, and our nation's roads and bridges. Raising truck 
weight or size limits could result in an increased prevalence and 
severity of crashes and cause increased wear and damage to our roadway 
infrastructure and bridges. Given the negative impacts, there is 
overwhelming opposition to any increases to truck size and weight 
limits. The public, local government officials, safety, consumer and 
public health groups, law enforcement, first responders, truck drivers 
and labor representatives, families of truck crash victims and 
survivors, and even Congress on a bipartisan level have all rejected 
attempts to increase truck size and weight. The IIJA is investing 
billions of dollars across every state in our nation to improve and 
elevate the safety of our roads and bridges. These improvements should 
not be undercut by allowing bigger or heavier trucks.
    Autonomous driving system (ADS) technology may reduce crashes 
involving CMVs in the future, but safe deployment on our nation's roads 
now is not a viable option and should not be proposed as a solution to 
the current supply chain issues. The advent of this technology must not 
be used as a pretext to eviscerate essential safety regulations 
administered by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration 
(FMCSA), and particularly in the absence of new standards to ensure the 
technology performs safely and as needed. The public safety protections 
provided by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs) 
become no less important or applicable simply because a CMV has been 
equipped with an ADS. In fact, additional substantial public safety 
concerns are presented by autonomous commercial motor vehicles (ACMVs).
    Autonomous driving technology is still in its relative infancy as 
evidenced by fatal and serious crashes involving passenger motor 
vehicles equipped with ADS of varying levels.\20\ If those incidents 
had involved ACMVs, the results could have been even more catastrophic, 
and the death and injury toll could have been much worse. Some of the 
most pressing safety shortcomings associated with autonomous vehicle 
(AV) technology, which include the ADS properly detecting and reacting 
to all other road users, driver engagement and cybersecurity, are 
exponentially amplified by the greater mass and force of an ACMV. As 
such, it is imperative that ACMVs be subject to comprehensive 
regulations, including having a licensed driver behind the wheel for 
the foreseeable future.
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    \20\ NHTSA, Standing General Order 2021-01 (Aug. 2021).
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    Advocates and numerous stakeholders developed the ``AV Tenets,'' 
policy positions which should be a foundational part of any AV 
legislation.\21\ The AV Tenets have four main, commonsense categories 
including: 1) prioritizing safety of all road users; 2) guaranteeing 
accessibility and equity; 3) preserving consumer and worker rights; 
and, 4) ensuring local control and sustainable transportation. While 
the AV Tenets were developed for application to vehicles under 10,000 
pounds, many of the principles also could apply to larger commercial 
vehicles. At a minimum, ACMVs must meet safety standards for the ADS 
and related systems, including for cybersecurity, and operations must 
be subject to adequate oversight as a starting point for their 
potential deployment. In March 2023, Advocates released a public 
opinion poll that found that 86 percent of respondents were concerned 
with sharing the road with driverless trucks.\22\ Moreover, 64 percent 
of respondents indicated that their concerns would be addressed if the 
vehicles were required to meet minimum government standards.
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    \21\ See: https://saferoads.org/autonomous-vehicle-tenets/.
    \22\ Big Village Caravan Survey, Public Concern About Driverless 
Cars and Trucks (Feb. 2023).
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    We commend Congress for the safety advances included in the 
bipartisan IIJA and have been urging the U.S. Department of 
Transportation (DOT) to implement the directives with urgency to 
address the motor vehicle crash fatality and injury toll. With roadway 
fatalities remaining at a historically high level, expediency is of the 
essence.
    Thank you for your consideration of these issues. We look forward 
to working with you to improve safety on our nation's roadways.
            Sincerely,
                                               Catherine Chase,
                  President, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety.

cc:  Members of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on 
Transportation and Infrastructure

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  Statement of the National Association of Small Trucking Companies, 
              Submitted for the Record by Hon. Mike Ezell
              
    The National Association of Small Trucking Companies (NASTC) 
commends the committee for holding this hearing on the present state of 
U.S. transportation. While transportation faces a range of challenges, 
NASTC underscores a major challenge and cause of supply-chain 
disruption domestically: fraud and theft of trucked and brokered 
freight.\1\
    NASTC is a member-based organization whose 15,000 member companies 
range from a significant segment that operates on the single-power-
unit, owner-operator model to carriers having more than 100 power 
units; NASTC members average 12 power units. These companies mostly 
operate in the long-haul, over-the-road, full-truckload, for-hire, 
irregular-route sector of interstate trucking. NASTC's members come 
from the largest segment of America's long-haul trucking: small motor 
carrier businesses. They are representative of the vast majority of our 
nation's commercial motor carriers, those having fewer than 100 power 
units, which the Transportation Intermediaries Association's (TIA) 
witness Mr. Jeffrey Tucker mentioned in his written testimony.
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    \1\ Todd Dills, ``FMCSA needs a `cop on the block' fighting 
brokered-freight fraud,'' Overdrive (Nov. 29, 2022) (https://
www.overdriveonline.com/regulations/article/15303681/meaningful-
enforcement-needed-to-fight-freight-fraud).
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    Fraud perpetrators and criminal enterprises plaguing trucking and 
brokerage account for a conservatively estimated 3,500 instances 
annually. Mr. Tucker testified that freight fraud is an $800 million 
problem.\2\ The estimated number of fraud crimes understates the actual 
amount of occurrences because many crimes go unreported. The 
underwhelming level of law enforcement against these crimes discourages 
many motor carriers and truck drivers from spending the time and effort 
filing reports with federal transportation authorities.
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    \2\ Testimony of Jeffrey Tucker (https://transportation.house.gov/
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    In fact, the level of such criminality is extensive and entails 
such crimes as double brokering, identity theft, bait-and-switch, and 
embezzlement of the funds that intermediaries are required to receive 
in trust and pay to the carrier.\3\ These crimes fall especially hard 
on small trucking companies, as more than 400 NASTC members have 
attested. New entrant owner-operators and small carriers increasingly 
face skeptical shippers and brokers, who hesitate to place freight 
loads with new entrants who have been in business for only a few 
months.
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    \3\ See Liz Young, ``Growing Freight Fraud is Peeling Millions From 
the U.S. Shipping Market,'' Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2023; Todd 
Dills, ``Growing broker/carrier identity theft schemes reaping 
million,'' Overdrive, March 9, 2020; and ``Cyber Scams and High-Tech 
Heists: Securing Freight in the Age of Strategic Cargo Theft,'' Supply 
Chain Brain, Nov. 7, 2023.
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    NASTC and allied stakeholders have illuminated ``the severity of 
the problem and its effect on interstate commerce'' in public comments. 
The real-life ``instances of theft of cargo, double brokerage and 
misappropriation of funds'' illustrate the ``systemic problems of 
supply chain fraud involving organized crime and broker related 
fraud.'' \4\ Fraudsters that pose as legitimate entities prey upon 
commercial motor carriers and freight brokers, who suffer great harm 
(financial, operational, reputational), while the harmful effects 
spread much wider. These crimes impose a heavy cost on the innocent 
parties involved, including manufacturers, shippers, wholesalers, 
retailers, and consumers, not to mention the efficiency and reliability 
of our supply chain.
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    \4\ Air & Expedited Motor Carriers Assn., et al., comments on 
``Notification of Interim Guidance: Definitions of Broker and Bona Fide 
Agents'' (FMCSA-2022-24923), Jan. 17, 2023 (https://
www.regulations.gov/comment/FMCSA-2022-0134-0103). Appendices include 
examples of transportation-related crimes, a list of existing statutes 
and rules under which transportation and brokerage crimes are 
enforceable, and an example of DOT OIG's successful prosecution of such 
crime.
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    These frauds and thefts are enabled by two things: high-tech tools 
and relative nonenforcement of applicable criminal laws. These 
criminals can expand at scale because of their ability to exploit 
technology. They are easily able to open under one company name, 
operate for a short while, close soon thereafter, and quickly reopen 
under a different name. It becomes a whack-a-mole exercise for law 
enforcement. Thus, these criminals presently face little risk of law 
enforcement investigation and much less risk of being caught and 
prosecuted.
    Truck transportation and other stakeholders including NASTC have 
called to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) 
attention ``the importance of vigorous retention and enforcement of 
these [interstate transportation] rules by not only FMCSA but the 
United States Department of Transportation.'' We point out ``FMCSA's 
primary charter is to address highway safety . . . [and] assigning 
safety ratings to all carriers'' and its lack of authority in criminal 
enforcement matters. While the DOT Office of Inspector General has 
investigated, developed, and won cases against freight fraudsters under 
current law,\5\ what exists today ``is a piecemeal approach to 
addressing a major issue of general transportation importance.'' \6\ 
That is, the problem is scale; OIG has the authority, the expertise, 
and the ability, but the level of pursuit of these criminals is 
lacking.
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    \5\ For example, see ``Tijuana Man Pleads Guilty to `Double-Broker' 
Scheme Targeting San Diego Truckers'' (https://www.justice.gov/usao-
sdca/pr/tijuana-man-pleads-guilty-double-broker-scheme-targeting-san-
diego-truckers).
    \6\ Air & Expedited Motor Carriers Assn., et al., comments.
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    The consensus solution NASTC and other stakeholders have proposed 
is that the ``Office of the Inspector General (`OIG') at the U.S. DOT 
level establish a permanent task force to monitor supply-chain fraud 
complaints with the Secretary, and to investigate and prosecute 
fraudulent activity consistent with existing civil and criminal 
penalties.'' \7\
    The key to reducing freight fraud in its many forms is sustained, 
focused enforcement against this class of criminality. The 
Transportation OIG is the appropriate agency for this task. It will 
take vigilance to hold these criminals accountable as well as 
congressional support for this solution in order to make a dent. NASTC 
and other transportation and intermediary stakeholders, including TIA 
and the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA), have 
noted that OIG's successes, such as prevailing in the Padilla double 
brokerage case, show OIG's statutory authority, capability, and 
institutional effectiveness for combatting these crimes.
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    NASTC appreciates the initiative Sen. Mike Braun and Rep. Mike Bost 
took in 2023 in contacting OIG about forming an antifreight fraud task 
force. We also thank Rep. Bost for continually raising this issue in 
this and other committee hearings. We ask the committee to lend its 
support to this remedy. Freight fraud is a nonpartisan problem that 
requires a bipartisan solution. An OIG task force would put a cop on 
the block where today criminals operate with virtual impunity.


                                Appendix

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     Questions to Stephen A. Edwards, Chief Executive Officer
      and Executive Director, Virginia Port Authority,  from
      Hon. Mike Ezell

    Question 1. Several large shipping firms have imposed fees to 
reroute ships to avoid the ongoing attacks in the Red Sea. This is yet 
another untimely disruption to an already suffering supply chain. As we 
all know, the COVID-19 pandemic highlighted the need to be able to 
transport necessary equipment swiftly during emergencies. We also know 
these shipping delays trigger a chain of events. To minimize these 
impacts there must be a system in place at Ports and a method of 
prioritization to ensure urgent supplies are delivered in a timely 
fashion. That is why I, along with my colleague, Representative 
Garamendi, introduced the FAST PASS Act. This legislation directs the 
Secretary of Transportation to study the most efficient way to get 
critical supplies into our Ports in critical situations.
    Mr. Edwards, in the fall of 2022 when the West Coast ports were 
horribly delayed, the Port of Virginia partnered with ocean carriers 
and freight rail to re-route critical cargo across the country. Don't 
you think the federal government has something to learn from these 
kinds of public-private partnerships? Should DOT study the best ways to 
fast pass critical cargo for future publicly declared emergencies?
    Answer. During the initial months of the COVID-19 pandemic probably 
without exception marine terminal operators and ports were able to 
expedite emergency supplies for delivery when these cargoes were 
identified to them. Our industry has a history of ensuring priority of 
response to both domestic and international emergencies. The nature of 
supply chain is a co-dependency, as a result each operator knows and 
has a business relationship with each other that can be leveraged best 
by the industry players when emergencies require this.
    I do believe the federal government can learn from best practices. 
While each port and marine terminal complex is different, they perform 
the same functions as a node. Clearly during the fall of 2022, ports 
across the nation performed at markedly different operating levels and 
the federal government naturally concentrated on where the problem was. 
A review of best practices and why ports operated to vastly different 
standards at that time could be useful for the federal government to 
mitigate future disruption.

    Question to Jeffrey G. Tucker,  Chief Executive Officer,
     Tucker Company Worldwide, Inc., on behalf of the Trans-
     portation Intermediaries Association, from Hon. Burgess
     Owens

    Question 1. Mr. Tucker, during the hearing, we had a discussion 
about ways that we can modernize trade, particularly on how inland 
ports can minimize supply chain bottlenecks and hold China accountable. 
Can you please further share your thoughts with the committee?
    Answer. Relative to China and holding them accountable, if I may, 
I'd like to take that in a different direction and urge the 
Administration and this committee, and others with jurisdiction to find 
ways to encourage or even demand that U.S. companies who provide 
critical infrastructure and life-saving and life-sustaining products 
have multiple suppliers and not be entirely dependent upon China. The 
FLOW Initiative and the President's Council on Supply Chain Resiliency 
are on the right track. And while this is not a free market 
recommendation, it carefully considers the ramifications to national 
security.

       Question to Jeffrey G. Tucker,  Chief Executive Officer,
        Tucker Company Worldwide, Inc., on behalf of the Trans-
        portation  Intermediaries Association,  from  Hon. Mike
        Ezell

    Question 1. I heard from our constituents and members of TIA, KLLM 
Transport Services, who are struggling with fraud and the lack of 
reporting avenues available. You also mentioned in your testimony how 
fraud continues to be a growing problem in the trucking industry.
    In your opinion, what are the most effective ways to prevent fraud 
and how can Congress better address this issue?
    Answer. Congressman Ezell, thank you for the question on fraud in 
the supply chain. This is a major issue in the transportation industry 
that affects shippers, brokers, carriers, and eventually consumers who 
bear the brunt of this with the inflationary impacts. The criminals 
that are perpetrating the fraud in the marketplace use many different 
tactics and types of fraud. In response to these activities industry 
stakeholders, Congress and the federal agencies tasked with motor 
carrier and broker registration have a role and responsibility to play 
in combating this.
    Within our trade association, TIA we have stood up internal 
taskforce to information share and best practices to help alleviate 
problems. Additionally, we are working in coalition with other industry 
stakeholders to educate and inform the transportation community of the 
problems and potential solutions that exist.
    Congress has done an admirable job at trying to keep the Federal 
Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) honest in their efforts to 
enforce and head off fraud as well. We will ask Congress to continue to 
do that.
    The FMCSA, to their credit, have begun looking into these issues, 
but are woefully behind in addressing this major concern. Because of 
the lack of enforcement from the agency over the past 3 years has 
essentially told these criminal elements, can you commit fraud with no 
repercussions. At one point in time a couple of years ago, FMCSA 
informed us that over 10,000 complaints existed in the National 
Consumer Complaint Database related to fraud with no activity.
    We have established a wish list of ideas that we think the FMCSA 
could take fairly quickly to address these concerns and would not 
constrain them in terms of resources. The wish list includes, the 
following items:
    1.  Verify the identity of the entity. Verify the business license 
with the state they are domiciled in. Place motor carriers out of 
service who cannot be verified.
    2.  Require the FMCSA to post the sale of a motor carrier or broker 
business on the Federal Register, so that stakeholders know that the 
company has changed hands, and the USDOT/MC number may not be a 
representation of the current ownership.
    3.  Enforce the Principal Place of Business requirements for 
registration and shut down licensed entities operating out of P.O. 
boxes, UPS and FedEx boxes and entities that operate at the same 
address.
    4.  Do not allow electronic changes to an entity's record without a 
pin that must be validated through dual factor authentication.
    5.  Amend the FMCSA registration system to update registration 
updates in real-time. The current model of 30 days allows scamsters to 
make changes with no legitimate updates until 30 days later.
    6.  Implement and enforce the provisions of MAP-21 that require a 
licensed broker or forwarder to have three years of relevant experience 
or demonstrate sufficient knowledge of the industry to the Secretary.
    7.  Establish an internal Fraud Task Force within the Department of 
Transportation and the Inspector General's office.
    8.  Require dispatch services to register with the FMCSA as such 
and enforce the guidance released by the Agency and the CFR that 
dispatch services cannot be a bona fide agent of more than one motor 
carrier.
    9.  Greater coordination and integration between all three 
different data sets that the Agency utilizes (Volpe, MCMIS and DataQs).

    I truly appreciate your interest in addressing fraud in the supply 
chain and look forward to working with you further to combat this 
issue.

       Question to  Lauren Benford, Controller,  Reiman Corpora-
        tion, on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of
        America, from Hon. Eric A. ``Rick'' Crawford

    Question 1. Ms. Benford, your written testimony states: ``For the 
construction industry, managing inflation defined 2023. Since February 
2020, the average cost of construction materials has increased by 37%; 
nearly twice as high was the rate of consumer inflation, which was 19% 
during that same period . . . More specifically, highway construction 
costs have increased 50% since December 2020, according to the Federal 
Highway Administration's National Highway Construction Cost Index 
(NHCCI).'' \1\
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Transp. and Infrastructure, 118th Cong., (2024) (written testimony of 
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    Can you please detail how you anticipate inflation remaining a 
challenge for the construction industry in 2024?
    Answer. Inflation and the high cost of construction materials 
continues to be one of the biggest challenges that construction 
companies face. As a result, it is driving up the costs of 
infrastructure projects nationwide. I would highlight diesel costs as 
one of the biggest challenges. High diesel costs mean construction 
companies must pay more to operate equipment, deliver materials to 
jobsites, and haul away dirt, debris, and equipment. Likewise, 
construction workers themselves feel the pain of higher commuting 
costs--particularly for jobs in rural areas where workers often have 
long commutes. While inflation has slowed, prices have not returned to 
normal and are still elevated.
    However, contractors remain mostly upbeat. AGC's economic outlook 
survey [https://www.agc.org/news/2024/01/04/2024-construction-hiring-
and-business-outlook] also highlights fears about the impacts of higher 
interest rates on demand for construction and the risk that the economy 
could enter a recession. In addition to these new worries, contractors 
remain concerned about workforce shortages and their impact on 
construction prices and schedules. Contractors continue to see projects 
being delayed--sometimes indefinitely--because of rising costs, slower 
schedules, and shrinking demand for the finished products.

       Questions to Lauren Benford, Controller,  Reiman Corpora-
        tion, on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of
        America, from Hon. Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon

    Question 1. Ms. Benford, in response to my question about 
flexibilities that could be examined to help address cost escalations 
for contractors in areas with notably increased construction costs, 
like Puerto Rico, you responded that it would be helpful for the 1980 
Federal Highway memo to be updated.
    Could you please clarify if you were referring to the memo titled 
``Development and Use of Price Adjustment Contract Provisions,'' dated 
December 10, 1980, with classification code T 5080.3? If so, can you 
please explain how an update to this memo would be helpful?
    Answer. Correct, I was referring to the ``Development and Use of 
Price Adjustment Contract Provisions'' technical advisory [https://
www.fhwa.dot.gov/programadmin/contracts/ta50803.cfm] with 
classification code T 5080.3. While the document gives clear guidance 
and best practices for price adjustment clauses it is over forty years 
old. These price adjustment clauses are not needed during 
``noninflationary'' times. As a result, state department of 
transportation offices are less familiar. For example, prior to 2022, 
most construction companies hadn't utilized one of these provisions on 
a highway project since the housing crisis in 2008. As you can imagine 
there is a lot of staff turnover at a state DOT in those 14 years. In 
early 2022 we had state DOTs telling AGC chapters that FHWA did not 
allow for the use of price adjustment clauses. Often, by the time it 
was clarified, it was too late for such clauses to be included in 
contracts.
    Making it clear that these price adjustment clauses are allowed by 
FHWA would provide clarity for state DOTs. Likewise, most states 
require approval from their state legislature to utilize these 
provisions. By ensuring states have the most up to date information in 
an updated advisory, we can ensure that we will be ready for the next 
time they are needed.

     Questions to Lauren Benford,  Controller, Reiman Corpora-
      tion, on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of
      America, from Hon. Tracey Mann

    Question 1. Ms. Benford, in regards to the WOTUS, or Waters of the 
U.S., the Biden Administration continues to ignore the clear decision 
by the Supreme Court in the Sackett vs. EPA case regarding the 
definition of Waters of the U.S. under the Clean Water Act. What new 
uncertainties exist due to the Administration's changes post-Sackett? 
Did the Navigable Waters Protection Rule offer more or less clarity to 
you and to your members?
    Answer. In response to the Sackett case, the agencies made only 
slight edits to their earlier 2023 WOTUS definition when they released 
the amended rule in September of that year. Namely, they removed 
reference to the ``significant nexus'' test and revised their 
definition of adjacency in relation to federally jurisdictional 
wetlands. The agencies retained all the ambiguity of their earlier 
attempt.
    The resultant rule uses vague terms, such as with the application 
of the ``relatively permanent'' standard, heavily relies on case-by-
case analysis, and leaves the regulated community guessing what the law 
is on many projects. This is especially true with their handling of 
ephemeral waterways, in direct contrast to Sackett, where the agencies 
now refuse to define ephemeral and instead default to individual 
analysis.
    ``Surgically'' amending portions of their 2023 rule did not fix the 
legal issues with their approach, which is why AGC is challenging the 
amended rule in court. The Association's legal concerns include the 
agencies' handling of interstate waters, their application of the 
relatively permanent test, the overly broad coverage of impoundments, 
and the vague approach to tributaries that ignores Sackett.
    The Navigable Waters Protection Rule offered the regulated 
community significant improvements in clarity in contrast to previous 
decades' worth of regulatory uncertainty. That clarity increased 
confidence in their ability to understand and comply with legal 
requirements without hiring an army of consultants and attorneys. 
However, that rule would need to be updated to reflect the Sackett 
ruling.

     Questions to Lauren Benford,  Controller, Reiman Corpora-
      tion, on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of
      America, from Hon. Mike Ezell

    Question 1. We talked a lot in this committee over the past year 
about the implementation of IIJA. Two of the primary concerns we 
explored were inflation and the supply chain. Still, this continues to 
be an issue. Just last month I heard from Mississippi stakeholders with 
concerns over meeting upcoming ARPA deadlines. The state of Mississippi 
chose to invest most of the ARPA funds in improving water 
infrastructure. Unfortunately, the number of contractors and 
individuals available to complete this work is limited. This, 
compounded with several states competing for the same contracts and 
supply chain issues, several fear these lifesaving projects will not be 
completed in time.
    Ms. Benford, do you have suggestions to maximize the use of these 
funds--the way Congress intended? Do you believe it is possible to meet 
the current ARPA deadlines?
    Answer. I think the period of availability for funding in the 
American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) is going to be problematic for a lot of 
states. Among other things, supply chain constraints, inflation, and 
work force shortages have made doing construction challenging the past 
few years.
    I cannot speak to the specifics of the projects in Mississippi, but 
I can tell you it is why we ask Congress for flexibility when they 
authorize funding for construction. There are a multitude of factors--
cold climate, rugged terrain, a work force shortage, project readiness, 
permit delays--that can slow down construction. These are also things 
that are largely out of control of a construction company but forced to 
mitigate. I would encourage you to explore legislation to extend the 
ARPA funding deadline for an additional two years to ensure these 
projects can be completed.

      Question to  Lauren Benford,  Controller, Reiman Corpora-
       tion, on behalf of the Associated General Contractors of
       America, from Hon. Celeste Maloy

    Question 1. Ms. Benford, when discussing permitting reforms in your 
written testimony, you stated that ``AGC is concerned that the White 
House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ)'s changes add bureaucratic 
steps in an already onerous and slow process, require more time-
consuming analyses, and increase litigation risk for project decisions. 
Additionally, the association is concerned that the changes will 
encourage agencies to impose requirements that go beyond CEQ 
regulations and would slow agency decision-making and discourage the 
transformational investments needed across the economy. Federal 
agencies are not just making changes to NEPA, they are systematically 
reversing all streamlining reforms from recent years as well as 
introducing additional requirements that will delay projects.''
    Can you please expand further on this for the committee?
    Answer. Two areas where the Administration is adding requirements 
to the beleaguered NEPA process are related to climate change and 
environmental justice. The Administration's approach has been to add 
new layers of costly and time-consuming analysis and outreach on top of 
a process that already takes a deep dive into environmental, cultural, 
and community impacts and already provides multiple opportunities for 
public engagement. For now, NEPA is not a substantive environmental 
regulation: It outlines a process to ensure that federal actions have 
not skipped over any of their obligations presented in the substantive 
environmental regulations. The Administration wants to change the 
intent of NEPA to influence environmental outcomes of federal actions. 
But to respond to the question, it's important to understand that each 
of the substantive environmental regulations requires an often lengthy 
and expensive permitting process that also includes public engagement.
    The prior Administration had sought to streamline the permitting 
processes within the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act, 
among others. Most of those advancements have been or are in the 
process of being reversed by the current Administration: CWA definition 
of Waters of the United States (see response above to question from the 
Honorable Tracey Mann) as well as Section 404 Nationwide Permits; CWA 
Section 401 Water Quality Certifications; ESA interagency cooperation, 
consultation, designation of critical habitat, and protections for 
threatened species. In some cases, the agencies are making the 
requirements more stringent than before, for example, proposed changes 
to the ESA regulations would newly require mitigation where 
longstanding practice was to implement reasonable and prudent measures. 
The new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for Fine Particular 
Matter is another example where the agency voluntarily reviewed the 
standard ahead of schedule and tightened it by 25 percent. The change 
in NAAQS will have reverberations on permitting for several years down 
the road, even though about 86 percent of emissions come from nonpoint 
sources such as unpaved roads and wildfires. 


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