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                       A LEGACY OF INCOMPETENCE:
                    CONSEQUENCES OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS
                    ADMINISTRATION'S POLICY FAILURES

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                                HEARING

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                              COMMITTEE ON
                      OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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                           SEPTEMBER 19, 2024
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               COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY

                    JAMES COMER, Kentucky, Chairman

Jim Jordan, Ohio                     Jamie Raskin, Maryland, Ranking 
Mike Turner, Ohio                      Minority Member
Paul Gosar, Arizona                  Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of 
Virginia Foxx, North Carolina          Columbia
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin            Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts
Michael Cloud, Texas                 Gerald E. Connolly, Virginia
Gary Palmer, Alabama                 Raja Krishnamoorthi, Illinois
Clay Higgins, Louisiana              Ro Khanna, California
Pete Sessions, Texas                 Kweisi Mfume, Maryland
Andy Biggs, Arizona                  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, New York
Nancy Mace, South Carolina           Katie Porter, California
Jake LaTurner, Kansas                Cori Bush, Missouri
Pat Fallon, Texas                    Shontel Brown, Ohio
Byron Donalds, Florida               Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico
Scott Perry, Pennsylvania            Robert Garcia, California
William Timmons, South Carolina      Maxwell Frost, Florida
Tim Burchett, Tennessee              Summer Lee, Pennsylvania
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia      Greg Casar, Texas
Lisa McClain, Michigan               Jasmine Crockett, Texas
Lauren Boebert, Colorado             Dan Goldman, New York
Russell Fry, South Carolina          Jared Moskowitz, Florida
Anna Paulina Luna, Florida           Rashida Tlaib, Michigan
Nick Langworthy, New York            Ayanna Pressley, Massachusetts
Eric Burlison, Missouri
Mike Waltz, Florida

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                James Rust, Chief Counsel for Oversight
                        Sloan McDonagh, Counsel
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                      Lisa Piraneo, Senior Advisor
                 Billy Grant, Professional Staff Member
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                               WITNESSES

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The Honorable Brendan Carr, Commissioner, Federal Communications 
  Commission
    Oral Statement...............................................     6
Mark Krikorian, Executive Director, Center for Immigration 
  Studies
    Oral Statement...............................................     7
Meaghan Mobbs, Director, Center for American Safety and Security, 
  Independent Women's Forum
    Oral Statement...............................................     9
Mandy Gunasekara, Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Environmental 
  Protection Agency
    Oral Statement...............................................    11
Skye L. Perryman, JD (Minority Witness), President & Chief 
  Executive Officer, Democracy Forward Foundation
    Oral Statement...............................................    12

Opening statements and the prepared statements for the witnesses 
  are available in the U.S. House of Representatives Repository 
  at: docs.house.gov.

                           INDEX OF DOCUMENTS

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  * Letter, September 19, 2024, from the Associated Builders and 
  Contractors to the Committee on Oversight and Accountability; 
  submitted by Chairman Comer.
  * Article, Breitbart, ``Biden-Harris Parole Pipeline Releases 
  More than 1.3 Million Migrants''; submitted by Rep. Biggs.
  * Article, Washington Times, ``Border Patrol union chief says 
  Biden must quit saying union backed border bill''; submitted by 
  Rep. Biggs.
  * Article, Breitbart, ``Exclusive CBP One App Migrants Released 
  Into U.S.-No Asylum Questions Asked''; submitted by Rep. Biggs.
  * Article, Axios, ``Harris to visit Mexico and Guatemala to 
  address `root causes' of border crossings''; submitted by Rep. 
  Biggs.
  * Article, Daily Caller, ``Jerome Powell Suggests Influx of 
  Migrants Contributing to Rising Unemployment''; submitted by 
  Rep. Biggs.
  * Article, The Hill, ``Trump Says Blame It on Me''; submitted 
  by Rep. Crockett.
  * Press Release, USDA; submitted by Rep. Crockett.
  * Article, Newsweek, ``Amber Thurman First Named Preventable 
  Abortion Death''; submitted by Rep. Greene.
  * News Report, FoxNews.com, Interview with Heritage Foundation 
  Kevin Roberts; submitted by Rep. Greene.
  * Letter, April 4, 2024, from Rep. Langworthy to FCC; submitted 
  by Rep. Langworthy.
                           INDEX OF DOCUMENTS

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  * Letter, from Afghan Women Negotiators; submitted by Rep. 
  Lynch.
  * Article, Newsweek, ``Bill Clinton Pronounces Kamala Harris' 
  Name Wrong During DNC''; submitted by Rep. Mace.
  * Questionnaire, Harris' ``ACLU-Candidate-Questionnaire''; 
  submitted by Rep. Mace.
  * Text Message; submitted by Rep. Mace.
  * Press Release, Gov. Dunleavy, ``Alaska PR 23-010 BEAD Funding 
  Allocation''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Gianforte, ``Montana First in Nation to 
  Open BEAD Portal''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Holcomb, ``Biden-Harris Administration 
  Approves Indiana's `Internet for All' Initial Proposal''; 
  submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Lee, ``Tennessee TNECD Announces Approval 
  of Proposal''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Little, ``Idaho Awarded $583 Million to 
  Expand Broadband Access''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Parson, ``Missouri's Initial Proposal for 
  the Broadband Equity, Access and Deployment program (BEAD) 
  approved by the NTIA''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, ``Mississippi to Setup Over $1.2 Billion for 
  Broadband Expansion; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Sanders, ``Arkansas to receive over $1B 
  to expand broadband''; submitted by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Scott, ``Vermont to Receive $229 Million 
  from the Federal Government for Broadband Buildout''; submitted 
  by Rep. Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Stitt, ``Oklahoma to Receive $797.4 
  Million for Highspeed Internet Buildout''; submitted by Rep. 
  Norton.
  * Press Release, Gov. Justice, ``West Virginia secures $1.2 
  billion in broadband funding, among first states in the country 
  allowed to request BEAD funds''; submitted by Reps. Norton and 
  Raskin.
  * Press Release, Governor Glenn Youngkin, Governor Glenn 
  Youngkin Clebrates Approval of Virginia Broadband Proposal''; 
  submitted by Reps. Norton and Raskin.
  * Article, the Wall Street Journal, ``Where's Kamala Harris on 
  LNG Exports''; submitted by Rep. Palmer.
  * Article, The Hill, ``Former Afghan president agrees Trump 
  deal with the Taliban was a disaster''; submitted by Rep. 
  Raskin.
  * Article, Business Insider, ``GOP Blames Biden for Afghanistan 
  Withdrawal''; submitted by Rep. Raskin.
  * Article, CNN, ``Trump administration officials try to rewrite 
  their own Afghanistan history''; submitted by Rep. Raskin.
  * Article, Forbes, ``Trump denies releasing 5000 Taliban 
  prisoners but his administration negotiated their release''; 
  submitted by Rep. Raskin.
  * Document, ``Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise, 
  Project 2025 ''; submitted by Rep. Stansbury.
  * Memo, June 21, 2023, re: Ad Hoc Hearing titled ``Oversight of 
  Anti-democratic Abuses of Power in the State of Florida''; 
  submitted by Rep. Frost.
  * Questions for the Record: to Mr. Carr; submitted by Rep. 
  Raskin.
  * Questions for the Record: to Ms. Gunasekara; submitted by 
  Rep. Raskin.

The documents listed are available at: docs.house.gov.

 
                       A LEGACY OF INCOMPETENCE:
                    CONSEQUENCES OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS
                    ADMINISTRATION'S POLICY FAILURES

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                      Thursday, September 19, 2024

                     U.S. House of Representatives
               Committee on Oversight and Accountability
                                           Washington, D.C.

    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:01 a.m., in 
room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. James Comer 
(Chairman of the Committee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Comer, Foxx, Grothman, Cloud, 
Palmer, Sessions, Biggs, Mace, Fallon, Donalds, Perry, Timmons, 
Burchett, Greene, Boebert, Fry, Langworthy, Burlison, Raskin, 
Norton, Lynch, Connolly, Krishnamoorthi, Khanna, Mfume, Ocasio-
Cortez, Porter, Brown, Stansbury, Garcia, Frost, Lee, Casar, 
Crockett, Moskowitz, Tlaib, and Pressley.
    Chairman Comer. The hearing of the Committee on Oversight 
and Accountability will come to order. I want to welcome 
everyone here today.
    Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any 
time.
    I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening 
statement.
    Three-and-a-half years ago when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 
took office, they promised to build back better. The fawning 
media told us that the adults are back in the room, but 3 1/2 
years later, the economy is suffering, the border is broken, 
and crises continue to erupt worldwide. Everything Joe Biden 
and Kamala Harris has touched has failed. Americans are asking 
themselves, what is better? The evidence of President Biden and 
Vice President Harris' incompetent and weak leadership is seen 
and felt by Americans across our Nation.
    Let us look at the economy. Vice President Harris has 
claimed repeatedly that Bidenomics is working and is a term we 
are proud of, yet Americans have faced 20-percent average 
inflation since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris took office. The 
price of everything has gone up. More Americans are now having 
to choose whether to pay their energy bill, pay rent, or buy 
food. How is this record something to be proud of? These price 
increases are not transitory at all, as one of Biden-Harris 
Administration official claimed. American households must now 
spend over $11,000 more each year just to maintain the same 
quality of life.
    Let us turn to our broken border. On their first day in 
office, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris immediately enacted 
policies that eroded border security, overwhelmed law 
enforcement, and left us vulnerable to terrorist infiltration. 
They ended the Remain in Mexico Program, stopped construction 
of the border barrier system, and gutted interior enforcement 
against illegal aliens. They signaled to the world our border 
was open. Finally realizing it was turning into an inconvenient 
problem, President Biden tapped Vice President Harris to 
examine the root causes of the border crisis that happened on 
their watch. Did she bother to examine her own Administration's 
policies fueling the crisis? Clearly not. In fact, since Joe 
Biden and Kamala Harris took office, over 7 million--7 
million--illegal aliens were either released into the country 
or evaded apprehension entirely to make it here. And instead of 
being given swift due process and deportations, the Biden-
Harris Administration flew these illegal aliens all over the 
country, paying hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to 
nongovernment organizations and to provide food, shelter, and 
other services.
    Communities across our country are suffering from the 
Biden-Harris open border. Meanwhile, the Biden-Harris 
Administration grossly mismanages the very government programs 
they champion. Congressional Democrats committed $5 billion in 
2021 to build electric vehicle charging stations. Do you know 
how many the Biden-Harris Administration built? Eight. Not 
8,000. Not 800. Eight. That is $625 million per charging 
station. Forty-two billion dollars is spent on their Broadband 
Equity Access and Deployment program to connect Americans to 
high-speed internet. Over one thousand days later, this program 
is not connected to a single American to the internet. Not one. 
Forty-two billion dollars for internet, not a single American 
has been connected in that program. Meanwhile, American 
taxpayers who are already struggling with sky-high inflation 
are on the hook to pay for the Biden-Harris Administration 
boondoggles.
    The Biden-Harris Administration's incompetence has extended 
to the world stage, contributing to chaos extending across the 
planet. Instead of the adults in the room, the American people 
continue to bear the consequences of weak and effective 
leadership on the global stage: the disastrous withdrawal from 
Afghanistan, where a failure to plan created the conditions 
ripe for a terrorist attack that killed 13 service members and 
scores of Afghan civilians; the invasion of Ukraine by Russia; 
the emboldening of Iran and its proxies; and growing political 
welfare by the Chinese Communist Party. These are just a few 
examples of the Biden-Harris Administration's failed policies. 
Americans cannot afford more of them.
    The Oversight Committee has been diligent this Congress to 
uncover what works, what does not, and how to move forward as 
this Administration has drifted from crisis to crisis. We know 
that border walls work because we heard it firsthand from 
border patrol experts and border patrol agents. We know the 
solution to inflation is to get spending under control and roll 
back overreaching and costly regulations that will only be 
passed on to consumers. We know that strong leadership on the 
world stage is necessary to confront aggression by foreign 
powers aligned with evil terrorists. The Oversight Committee 
looks forward to hearing from the witnesses today on more 
solutions to the problems our country now faces because of Joe 
Biden and Kamala Harris' failed policies, ineffective, 
incompetent, and weak leadership. Thank you to the witnesses 
appearing here today, and I now yield to the Ranking Member for 
his opening remarks.
    Mr. Raskin. And thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to the 
witnesses for joining us today for one of the Committee's last 
hearings in the 118th Congress with the extremely fitting title 
of, ``A Legacy of Incompetence.'' The Majority has assembled a 
group of leading Project 2025 intellectuals for a Project 2025 
coming-out party today. The witnesses will advertise their 
wares, which almost makes me a bit nostalgic, Mr. Chairman, for 
the days when our colleagues said that they were pursuing 
President Joe Biden for the worst Presidential crime in 
American history, a crime which, unfortunately, they were never 
able to identify, but which they now appear to have dropped 
completely.
    So last week, my Democratic colleagues and I urged the 
Chairman to hold a hearing on a real issue. On the gun violence 
epidemic that is ravaging American communities. This Congress, 
our colleagues have refused to hold a single hearing about a 
single mass shooting, except for the one that involved former 
President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. The security of 
the former President is absolutely critical. But doesn't the 
rest of the country count, too? Who is going to keep the rest 
of America safe from AR-15 attacks by disturbed people loaded 
up on hate and conspiracy theory? Don't all Americans deserve 
to live free of gun violence?
    There have been more than 1,000 mass shootings, defined as 
at least four people being shot, that have claimed more than 
1,000 lives since the start of this Congress. Just since the 
mass shooting and assassination attempt on the ex-President on 
July 13, there have been more than a hundred additional mass 
shootings that have claimed 88 more American lives. There were 
four other Americans who died that day on July 13 after the 
attack in Butler, and yet we are told by J.D. Vance that gun 
violence is a ``fact of life'' in America. C'est la vie. 
Nothing can be done about it. Of course, it is not a fact of 
life in England or France or Ireland or Canada or Japan or 
dozens of other countries. The NRA, the GOP, and the terribly 
weak Swiss cheese gun laws they insist upon have made gun 
violence a fact of death in America because they refuse to 
discuss the policy solutions favored by the vast majority of 
the American people of all parties: a universal, violent 
criminal background check, red flag laws, a ban on the sale of 
AR-15s and other military-style assault weapons.
    So, we have a rate of gun homicide 25 times higher than 
people living in Europe, and gun violence is now the leading 
cause of death for children and teenagers in the United States 
of America. Yet instead of holding a hearing on gun violence, 
we have convened a panel of four witnesses with deep ties to 
Project 2025, the MAGA manifesto for a second Trump term, so 
they can audition for Mr. Trump's approval and land a spot on 
his Cabinet or sub-Cabinet, a fate not necessarily to be envied 
if you talk to former Vice President Mike Pence; or Trump's 
former Defense Secretary, Mark Esper; or his former national 
security adviser, John Bolton; or Cassidy Hutchinson; or more 
than a hundred other former Republican officials declaring 
Donald Trump completely unfit for office. But here we are with 
these Project 2025 ``luminaries'' who have taken up the 
challenge to set forth the agenda on how to take America 
backward in every domain of public life.
    A recently disclosed email from Steven Bradbury, one of 
Project 2025's leaders, and Trump's former Secretary of 
Transportation, says that, ``Those who show real commitment and 
valuable contributions will be recognized by the leaders of the 
Project 2025, whose recommendations are likely to carry 
influence with the key personnel decisionmakers.'' And today, 
two of our witnesses, Mr. Carr and Ms. Gunasekara, showed just 
that real commitment by authoring chapters of Project 2025. 
Press reports say Mr. Carr is vying to be Mr. Trump's FCC 
Chairman, while Ms. Gunasekara apparently has her eye on 
becoming Mr. Trump's next EPA Administrator. And I will stand 
corrected if you guys disclaim any ambitions for those offices, 
but that is what the press is reporting. The Majority's other 
two witnesses also come to us from organizations that are right 
there on the advisory board of Project 2025.
    So, we will hear from them, and we will discuss how they 
intend to implement the extremist Project 2025 game plan in a 
hypothetical second Administration for Donald Trump. It is a 
program that depends on sending in an army of Trump sycophants 
and loyalists to replace 50,000 professional civil servants. It 
is a program subordinating the people's government to big 
corporations, and it tramples the civil rights and liberties of 
women to abortion, birth control, and IVF, which the 
Republicans just voted against yesterday.
    It is a plan to upend democratic government as we know it. 
And it involves politicizing the Federal work force and gutting 
the professional civil service; weaponizing the Department of 
Justice against political rivals and the people; seizing 
political control of independent agencies, like the Federal 
Reserve Board and the FCC; eliminating overtime pay for 
millions of workers; denying the climate crisis and pulling the 
plug on environmental progress; ending reproductive freedom in 
every state; federally surveilling births and abortions; 
legalizing discrimination against LGBTQ Americans; organizing 
mass deportations and detention camps; deploying the military 
to quash free speech and protests; eliminating Head Start and 
the Department of Education; dismantling NOAA; and privatizing 
the National Health Service, limiting benefits for veterans.
    Now, Donald Trump has half-heartedly tried to distance 
himself from this toxic and increasingly unpopular agenda, but 
you need only to turn the table of contents of this big book to 
realize it is the total product of Trump's inner circle. The 
MAGA manifesto has 37 authors and contributors. Of those, 31 
served in Trump's Administration, 80 percent. Donald Trump has 
turned dodgy about his connection to Project 2025, despite the 
fact that he has praised it and commended its authors, because 
he knows it is way too extreme for the vast majority of the 
American people.
    The Biden-Harris Administration has restored America's 
place as a global leader and led an economic recovery that is 
the envy of the rest of the world. Project 2025 wants to 
reverse all the progress we have made, strip Americans of 
basic, fundamental rights and freedoms that we have had for 
decades, and create a Federal work force loyal only to Donald 
Trump and not to the Constitution of the United States. Today, 
Mr. Chairman, we are going to try to get to the details from 
these Project 2025 experts that you have kindly assembled for 
us. Let us get specific today, and let us see if the American 
people really want to follow the dark vision for America that 
Project 2025 has set forth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I 
yield back.
    Chairman Comer. OK. Today we are joined by excellent 
witnesses. The Honorable Brandon Carr is the senior Republican 
Commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission. He has 
been unanimously confirmed by the Senate three times and has 
extensive expertise in the private and public sector in 
communications and tech policy. Mark Krikorian is the Executive 
Director of the Center for Immigration Studies, where he has 
served since 1995, overseeing their work on research and policy 
analysis relating to immigration and border security topics, on 
which he is a nationally recognized expert.
    Meaghan Mobbs is the Director for Independent Women's Forum 
Center for American Safety and Security, a graduate of West 
Point, former paratrooper and combat veteran, and current 
member of the Board of Visitors for the Virginia Military 
Institute. She is an expert on defense, national security, and 
public safety. Mandy--and I am going to do my best here--I 
think my counterpart may have butchered it too, and I am going 
to do my best--Mandy [Goon-a].
    Mr. Raskin. [Goon-a-sekura].
    Chairman Comer. Gunasekara.
    Ms. Gunasekara. [Goon-a-say-ka-rah].
    Chairman Comer. Yes, and I am----
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Is former Chief of Staff at 
the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under Administrator 
Andrew Wheeler, where she set and implemented environmental 
policy priorities for the Trump Administration. She is an 
environmental attorney and has significant experience in both 
the legislative and executive branches related to energy and 
environmental regulations and policy. Finally, Skye Perryman is 
President and CEO of the nonprofit Democracy Forward. She was 
recently named by Washingtonian Magazine as one of the most 
influential people shaping policy in 2024.
    Pursuant to Committee Rule 9(g), the witnesses will please 
stand and raise their right hand.
    Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony that you 
are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 
but the truth, so help you God?
    [A chorus of ayes.]
    Chairman Comer. Let the record show that the witnesses 
answered in the affirmative.
    Thank you all. We appreciate so much you being here today 
and look forward to your testimony.
    Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written 
statement, and it will appear in full in the hearing record. 
Please limit your oral statements to 5 minutes. As a reminder, 
please press the button on the microphone in front of you so 
that it is on, and the Members can hear you. When you begin to 
speak, the light in front of you will turn green. After 4 
minutes, the light will turn yellow. When the red light comes 
on, your 5 minutes have expired, and we would ask that you 
please wrap up.
    I now recognize Mr. Carr for his opening statement.

                STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE BRENDAN CARR
                              COMMISSIONER
                   FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION

    Mr. Carr. Chairman Comer, Ranking Member Raskin, 
distinguished Members of the Committee, thank you for the 
invitation to testify. I have had the privilege of serving as a 
Commissioner on the FCC for over 7 years now. Before that, I 
served as the agency's general counsel after first joining the 
FCC as a staffer back in 2012. My primary focus has been 
ensuring that every American has a fair shot at next-generation 
connectivity.
    In my view, there is no better way to do a job in 
Washington than to get outside the Beltway and see firsthand 
the challenges ahead. That is why I spent time in nearly every 
state over the past few years meeting with broadband builders, 
local leaders, and community members alike. Along the way, I 
have stood on top of 2,000-foot broadcast tower with tower 
crews. I have been a mile below ground to see a fiber build 
connecting an underground research lab. I have visited with 
crews stringing fiber along the Arctic Ocean in Utqiagvik, 
Alaska, America's northernmost point, and I have been on the 
Gulf Coast with teams as they restored service after hurricanes 
in Florida. In every community, I have heard about the 
opportunity that comes with a high-speed connection, and that 
is why I was pleased when a bipartisan consensus emerged to 
provide the support necessary to end the digital divide. And 
the most significant of those efforts is a $42 billion 
initiative known as BEAD. But unfortunately, BEAD is a program 
that has gone off the rails. Here is how.
    In 2021, Vice President Harris agreed to lead the 
Administration's signature $42 billion effort to extend 
internet service to millions of Americans. It has now been 
1,039 days since that program was enacted. After all of that 
time, not one person has been connected to the internet. Not 
one home, not one business, not even one shovel worth of dirt 
has been turned, and it gets worse. No infrastructure builds 
will even start until sometime next year at the earliest, and, 
in many cases, not until 2026. This makes Vice President 
Harris' $42 billion initiative the slowest-moving Federal 
broadband deployment program in recent history.
    With Vice President Harris at the helm, Politico recently 
reported on the ``frustration and finger pointing'' that 
defined the program's ``messy, delayed rollout.'' One state 
broadband official described ``a chaotic implementation 
environment, dysfunction, delays.'' She added that the 
Administration ``has provided either no guidance, guidance 
given too late, or guidance changing midstream.'' The 
Administration, she said, is slowing states down. So, what has 
the Administration been doing over the last 1,039 days instead 
of connecting Americans? It has been advancing a wish list of 
progressive policy goals. The $42 billion program, led by Vice 
President Harris, is being used to push a climate change 
agenda, DEI requirements, price controls, preferences for 
government-run networks and rules that will lead to wasteful 
overbuilding. All of this will leave rural communities behind.
    Frankly, it would not be the only time the Biden-Harris 
Administration has left rural America behind. In 2020, the FCC 
secured a commitment from Starlink to provide internet to 
640,000 homes and businesses for about $1,300 per location in 
Federal support. But the government revoked that award last 
year after President Biden gave agencies the green light to go 
after Musk. The Administration is now spending dollars on the 
penny to connect locations through its own initiatives. Senator 
Cruz released a report identifying entire projects where the 
Administration is now spending over $100,000 per location for 
internet. So here is the bottom line: absent major reforms, 
Vice President Harris' $42 billion program is wired to fail. It 
is time to correct course, get rid of all the extraneous 
political goals, and focus on quickly connecting Americans.
    In closing, I want to thank you again for the opportunity 
to testify. I look forward to your questions.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Krikorian 
for his opening statement.

                      STATEMENT OF MARK KRIKORIAN
                           EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
                     CENTER FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES

    Mr. Krikorian. Thank you for the invitation to speak----
    Chairman Comer. And mic, please.
    Mr. Krikorian. Thank you for the invitation to speak before 
the Committee. I would like to assure the Ranking Member I am 
not, in fact, auditioning for a job.
    Do not take this the wrong way, but with regard to 
immigration, at least the title of the hearing is a little bit 
misleading. The Biden-Harris record on immigration is the 
result of neither incompetence nor failure. The largest border 
crisis in the history of our country, probably the largest such 
event in human history, began on January 20, 2021, on purpose, 
not due to incompetence.
    Since that date, there have been more than 10 million 
encounters of inadmissible aliens at our borders, millions of 
whom have been and continue to be unlawfully allowed to enter 
the United States. This did not happen because the Biden-Harris 
Administration and its impeached Secretary of Homeland 
Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, made mistakes or miscalculations. 
That would have been bad enough and certainly a subject for--a 
proper subject for congressional oversight, but would be 
excusable because we all have shortcomings. We all make 
mistakes. Rather, the ongoing border crisis is the result of 
ideology.
    There are only two ways of thinking about the immigration 
issue overall. Either no one in the world is allowed to come 
here, and then we make limited exceptions, or everyone in the 
world is allowed to come here with certain limited exceptions. 
So, no one gets to come in with exceptions, or everyone gets to 
come in with exceptions. The Immigration and Nationality Act, 
of course, is based on the former perspective. No foreigner has 
a right to move here, but we, the people decide there are 
specific grounds to admit a limited number of people. Maybe 
they have a relative here or a job skill or what have you.
    There are different opinions about how to do that, but they 
all are under one umbrella, basically that immigration is a 
privilege granted by the American people. This Administration's 
approach to immigration is based on the second view, the 
opposite view, that everyone in the world has a right to move 
here if they choose to do so, and the American people have no 
right to place limits on immigration apart from those related 
to basic safety. Terrorists, criminals, deadly diseases, and 
even those limitations are highly circumscribed.
    Strictly speaking, this is not open borders, though that 
description may do as a shorthand. Instead, I would describe 
the Biden-Harris approach to immigration as one of unlimited 
immigration that holds that any limits on the level of 
immigration are morally indefensible, and circumventing those 
limits by any means available is a moral duty. This is 
fundamentally contrary to Federal law, of course, but also 
contrary to the Constitution and the very concept of 
sovereignty and consent of the governed. The fruit of that 
ideology is spelled out in detail in my written statement.
    The most common pretext for subverting the will of the 
people on limits on immigration is asylum, and the chief 
practical means of achieving unlimited immigration are unlawful 
releases from detention and unlawful grants of mass categorical 
parole. This unlimited immigration perspective also requires an 
inversion of the proper role of the executive. The allocation 
of authority in the INA is that the President has the power to 
keep out anyone he thinks should be excluded, but can let in 
only those who have been specifically authorized by Congress 
for him to admit. Due to this belief in unlimited immigration, 
the Biden-Harris Administration's understanding is the precise 
opposite. They have acted for 3 1/2 years on the belief that 
the President may let in anyone he wants but may keep out 
aliens only for very narrow reasons.
    Let me close with an example to illustrate this. The CBP 
One parole scheme seeks to funnel through the ports of entry 
inadmissible aliens who ostensibly otherwise would cross the 
border illegally. When this unlawful program was started in May 
2023, DHS set the limit at 1,000 inadmissible aliens being 
given interviews per day. The next month, they increased the 
number of 1,250 a day. Later that same month, they increased it 
again to 1,450 a day, so it is more than 1/2 a million 
inadmissible aliens released into the United States. These 
numbers have no basis in law, nor did Congress even authorize 
the President to come up with his own number, as with refugee 
resettlement. The Administration has simply made up numbers for 
how many inadmissible aliens to admit, based mainly on how 
quickly they can be processed and released, and feels free to 
change those numbers at will.
    This is illustrative of the Biden-Harris approach to 
immigration, which might be put this way: we can let in anyone 
we want, in any number, for any reason, and we dare Congress to 
do anything about it. This is not the way a self-governing 
people's immigration system should work. Thank you.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. I now recognize Ms. Mobbs for 
her opening statement.

                       STATEMENT OF MEAGHAN MOBBS
                                DIRECTOR
                CENTER FOR AMERICAN SAFETY AND SECURITY
                       INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM

    Dr. Mobbs. Chairman Comer, Ranking Member Raskin, and 
Members of the Committee, thank you for your leadership in 
convening a hearing to discuss the policy implications of the 
current Administration.
    Ranking Member Raskin, I would like to assure you I am not 
seeking an appointment, nor have I even read Project 2025, but 
the core duty of any government is to protect its citizens, yet 
over the last 4 years, the world has only grown more dangerous. 
We have witnessed the largest attack on a European nation in 85 
years and the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. 
History has been made by the number of full and partial U.S. 
embassy evacuations around the world, and the United Nations 
concurs that, ``The world is facing the highest number of 
conflicts since World War II.''
    It is crucial to understand that these conditions were not 
simply imposed on us. Instead, reckless policies of appeasement 
embolden our enemies, giving them the power and confidence to 
act. When the world's most powerful democracy projects 
indecision, it invites aggression. Authoritarian states and 
hostile nonstate actors have sensed a window of opportunity to 
expand their influence and challenge American power and 
prestige. The clearest example of such overt aggression by a 
state actor can be found in Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    A war that has entered its third year was presaged by a 
lengthy series of policy decisions by the Administration that 
strengthened Putin's position and demonstrated a provocative 
unwillingness to defend Ukraine. The end result of these policy 
choices was the greatest deterrence failure since the cold war. 
Once the invasion occurred, the Administration continuously 
slow-rolled critical military aid and a strategy for victory. 
The Biden-Harris Administration's chronic delays project 
weakness, dragging out the conflict, and escalating the 
economic burden borne by the United States and our allies.
    It is no surprise that the failed execution of another key 
policy, the withdrawal from Afghanistan, was overseen by the 
same team. U.S. intelligence assessed the chaotic withdrawal 
from Afghanistan played a major role in influencing Putin's 
decision to invade. The Administration prioritized political 
timelines over on-the-ground realities. At State, they resisted 
early calls for a noncombat evacuation, believing it would 
signal failure. At the Department of Defense, operational 
mistakes, such as the closure of Bagram Air Base, severely 
hindered the U.S.' ability to conduct a secure evacuation. And 
despite credible intelligence warning of a terrorist threat, 
the DoD failed to prevent the deadly bombing at Abbey gate, 
which claimed the lives of 13 U.S. service members.
    To this day, key figures across all agencies have avoided 
responsibility, and accountability has been notably absent 
across all levels. Not only did the U.S. Government leave 
behind $7 billion worth of military equipment, which the 
Taliban just paraded in a celebratory event, but a January 
report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan 
Reconstruction noted since August 2021, the U.N. has purchased, 
transported, and transferred $2.9 billion in U.S. currency to 
Afghanistan. The report also highlighted that the U.S. remains 
Afghanistan's largest international donor. In short, the U.S. 
is sending money to the to the Taliban. Again, it is 
unsurprising that one of the chief architects of the withdrawal 
failure also touted that ``The Middle East is quieter today 
than it has been in 2 decades,'' only 8 days before the multi-
frontal attack launched by Iranian supported Hamas into Israel.
    The Administration's efforts to revive the Iran nuclear 
deal have been disastrous. Once again, the shift from a maximum 
pressure campaign under the previous Administration to a 
conciliatory, appeasement-based strategy has shown to be 
catastrophic. In fact, most of Iran's nuclear expansion 
occurred after President Biden's election. Iran's increasing 
involvement in regional instability and its military support 
for Russia underscores the Administration's inability to 
curtail Iran's authoritarian expansion.
    Just as the Biden-Harris Administration has failed to 
effectively deter other enemies, he is running the risk of 
failing to lead against our greatest threat, China. Now we have 
bolstered our alliances. We do have the AUKUS security 
partnership. We have concentrated bipartisan efforts, which are 
positive developments. Yet, the Biden Administration's hallmark 
embrace of this idea of diplomatic ease with authoritarian 
leaders, in this case China, runs the risk of tipping us into 
managing competition rather than winning. The U.S. is in a new 
cold war with China, and attempts to temper or tame that 
reality only increase the likelihood of an actual war.
    When American foreign policy fails, women and girls often 
pay the highest price. The United Nations reported a 50-percent 
increase in verified cases of conflict-related sexual violence 
from 2022 to 2023. This violence has had far-reaching societal 
consequences, severely limiting women's livelihoods and 
restricting girls' access to education in many countries around 
the world. This is particularly true in Afghanistan, where, as 
one young woman described, ``Women and girls have lost all 
their hope in the world.''
    Ladies and gentlemen, I do not enjoy sitting here reciting 
a litany of U.S. failures and a decline in America's power and 
presence on the world stage. I am a proud American who deeply 
loves her country. Unfortunately, many of the failures outlined 
here represent systemic breakdowns, from the White House to 
individual agency leadership. There has been a startling lack 
of accountability, and Americans have taken notice. When 
accountability is neglected, the consequences are clear and far 
reaching. Ultimately, the cost of ignoring accountability is 
not just organizational inefficiency. Without accountability, 
the price is eventually paid in the form of deteriorated 
systems, weakened institutions, deepened crises, and chaos.
    Tragically, it is Americans who are bearing the burden of 
these costs. Therefore, it is altogether unsurprising that less 
than a quarter of the American people trust the government in 
Washington to do what is right. It is my hope effective and 
strong oversight can change that for the better. Thank you, and 
I look forward to your questions.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. I now recognize Ms. [Goona-sah-
ray].
    Ms. Gunasekara. [Goon-a-say-ka-rah]. Thank you.
    Chairman Comer. Say that one more time. It is going to----
    Ms. Gunasekara. It is all right. Gunasekara.
    Chairman Comer. That is what I meant.
    Ms. Gunasekara. That is what you all said.
    Chairman Comer. All right. Thank you. Sorry.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Thank you.

                     STATEMENT OF MANDY GUNASEKARA
                         FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF
                  U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

    Ms. Gunasekara. Chairman Comer, thank you for being here 
today. Ranking Member Raskin, it really is an honor to be with 
all of you all and fellow Members of the Committee.
    I have a prepared opening statement that I will get into in 
just a second, but, Ranking Member Raskin, you reiterated and 
have created a boogeyman that just is not there. I did author 
the EPA chapter on Project 2025, but in the course of that, I 
did not work with President Trump, with any of the people who 
work for him directly, or his campaign. And it is very 
misleading to suggest that there is any coordination there 
because I can personally tell you it did not happen. And I am 
not vying for a position in the next Administration. I have 
actually left D.C., and I have moved to a small town in 
Mississippi where I interact every day with people who live 
outside this bubble of gaslighting and misleading, and they 
actually are dealing with the consequences caused by policy 
decisions of this Administration that is not defined by 
progress, but defined by creating unnecessary hardship.
    I understand why it is hard to think about the political 
realm prior to President Trump, but the Heritage Foundation has 
been very involved in pushing forward conservative policies for 
quite a while, and the mandate for leadership, the latest 
iteration, it is the 9th edition. This is a project that has 
been put out every few years since 1981. So, it has been around 
for quite some time and, again, is more committed to 
representing the position of the broader conservative movement 
than any one candidate or person. And I understand why there is 
the creation of this boogeyman because your leading candidate 
is the one running away from policy actions she has taken that 
make Americans' lives much more difficult.
    In fact, Vice President Kamala Harris was recently asked on 
national television the following question: When it comes to 
the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they 
were 4 years ago? She said a lot of words, but she did not 
answer the question because the reality is most Americans are 
not better off. Most Americans are struggling to deal with 
expensive gas, expensive electricity, and high-cost goods and 
groceries that have created financial burdens that Americans 
have had to deal with throughout the Biden-Harris 
Administration. Their day one energy policies are a key driver 
behind Americans' increasing financial distress. From President 
Biden's promise to end all fossil fuels, alongside Vice 
President Kamala Harris' commitment to ban fracking, Americans 
have suffered under their radical agenda. From the energy 
perspective, this has included locking up development of 
resources and demonizing industries, mainly coal, oil, and 
natural gas that still provide 80 percent of our daily energy 
needs.
    A recent report from the Institute of Energy Research has 
been tracking these actions, and they have found that since 
January 2021, President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, 
and congressional Democrats have taken over 250 actions that 
make it harder to produce energy in America. This has included 
stopping construction of the Keystone XL pipeline that 
immediately cut 11,000 domestic jobs, including thousands of 
union jobs; issuing a moratorium on new oil and gas permits on 
Federal lands; greenlighting Putin's Nord Stream 2 pipeline 
while shuttering the development of U.S. pipelines along the 
East Coast; rejoining the disastrous Paris climate agreement 
that is squeezing out U.S. jobs; and increasing the regulatory 
burden on American companies; launching a war on household 
appliances that are now 34 percent more expensive than 15 years 
ago; blocking the Twin Metals mine; shuttering U.S. steelworker 
jobs in Minnesota; and cutting off access to critical minerals 
that we need more and more of.
    And instead, this Administration is making us more and more 
dependent on China; slowing permits for LNG facilities from an 
average of 7 weeks to 11 months, then completely halting 
permits for new LNG facilities altogether; mandating that 
Americans drive electric vehicles, despite growing market 
resistance; infrastructure shortfalls; and a preference for 
more affordable and reliable gas-powered vehicles. Americans 
are dealing with the consequences of these actions every time 
they put gas in their car, pay their electricity bills, or go 
to the grocery store. Now, this is not necessary for purposes 
of protecting the environment or saving future generations from 
climate change. I know this because during the Trump 
Administration, we were able to grow the economy, create jobs, 
reduce emissions, and address legacy environmental issues. The 
reality is that America needs more energy, and with the right 
policies in place and a pragmatic mindset from our leaders, we 
can build a strong economy that delivers lower cost for 
consumers, protects the environment, and reverses the negative 
financial consequences of the past 3 1/2 years.
    Again, thank you for your time, and I look forward to your 
questions.
    Chairman Comer. Very good. Thank you. Now I recognize Ms. 
Perryman.

                       STATEMENT OF SKYE PERRYMAN
                           PRESIDENT AND CEO
                           DEMOCRACY FORWARD

    Ms. Perryman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Ranking 
Member. Thank you for the invitation to testify here today. My 
name is Skye Perryman. I am a lawyer and the President and CEO 
of Democracy Forward, which is a nonpartisan, nonprofit 
organization that promotes democracy and progress through 
litigation, regulatory engagement, policy, education, research, 
and commitment to the rule of law. Democracy Forward has had 
the privilege of representing clients that make up the very 
fabric of this country and across the Nation, including 
parents, teachers, workers, small businesses, scientists, 
veterans, voters, and many more. Our team is committed to our 
country's founding idea that our government does derive its 
power from the consent of the governed, and we are dedicated to 
bringing about our democracy's promise that the government must 
work for all people.
    American democracy is at an inflection point, and it is in 
a crisis that threatens our freedoms. In the months following 
an attempt by extremists to disrupt the peaceful transition of 
Presidential power, on January 6, 2021, the United States was 
added to a list of global backsliding democracies by the 
International Institute of Democracy and Electoral Assistance. 
The report noted, ``The United States, a bastion of global 
democracy, fell victim to authoritarian tendencies.'' Myriad 
factors have contributed to this, including the rejection of an 
election result by an incumbent President, scholars have noted, 
and an attempted insurrection against this legislative branch. 
Last year, 13 of our Presidential libraries in the United 
States, from President Hoover's Library to President Bush's 
Library to President Obama's Library, warned of the fragile 
state of United States' democracy.
    These threats to our democracy and freedoms enjoyed by the 
American people are not academic, and they are not hyperbole. 
In 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed a Federal 
constitutional privacy protection that had been recognized for 
nearly 5 decades, leaving women of reproductive age in the 
United States with fewer rights than the generation just before 
them. Across the Nation, women are living without access to the 
critical care they need, including in emergency situations. 
Book bans are on the rise in our Nation and communities across 
the country. Misinformation and disinformation continues to be 
rampant and perpetuated by far-right groups and political 
actors, often targeting families and communities, including 
those that have immigrated to the United States, and political 
violence that is on the rise. And, yes, Mr. Ranking Member, gun 
violence continues to be a scourge in our education system and 
across the country.
    Just 2 years after former President Trump and his allies 
refused to acknowledge the results of the 2020 election, 
reports began to surface that the former President and his 
associates were planning a shadow government and developing 
extensive policy plans to remake American government as we know 
it. These and related efforts, including the development of a 
922-page document known as Project 2025, have been well 
documented. Proposals in Project 2025 represent profound 
threats to the American people, to our freedoms, and to our 
democracy.
    Democracy Forward has published a ``People's Guide to 
Project 2025'' to expose many of the policies that undermine 
the well-being of the American people, which the authors of the 
Project purport to say a President could do on day one of an 
Administration. Those policies include, but are not limited to, 
the weaponization of the Department of Justice against the 
American people; the politicizing of our civil service; 
undermining the government's ability to work for the American 
people; enabling discrimination across society; making it 
harder for Americans to make ends meet, including Americans in 
rural areas, through taking overtime eligibility away from 
millions of American workers; denying our climate crisis; 
undermining and delegitimizing our public education; and 
failing to address gun violence, childcare crisis, and many 
other crises in this country.
    Project 2025 is not hypothetical. It and other extreme 
proposals are already taking hold at the state and community 
level in many communities across the country and are being 
pursued in the courts. Anti-democratic actors are using the 
states to incubate and normalize Project 2025 and other 
extremist tactics. Many of the same groups that have supported 
regressions of our Federal rights, including the overturning of 
Roe v. Wade, restricting voting rights, and undermining our 
government's ability to work for the people, are behind this 
project. And in many cases, these groups and aligned far-right 
attorneys generals [sic] are seeking to undermine the progress 
and policies of the Biden-Harris Administration in the courts 
and in communities across the country.
    It is incredibly important that this Congress understand 
the threats posed by Project 2025 and the harms of far-right 
extremism and anti-Democratic movements that are afoot in this 
country. I provide this testimony today and look forward to 
your questions with the sincere hope that it is through 
understanding this crisis that we can build for a better 
tomorrow. I look forward to your questions, and thank you for 
having me.
    Chairman Comer. And let me remind everyone that the purpose 
of this hearing is to dissect the policies of the Biden-Harris 
Administration, and if there is an opportunity and some want to 
defend those policies, this is the perfect forum to do that. 
So, again, I look forward to a very substantive hearing, and I 
will begin with questions. I recognize myself.
    Mr. Krikorian, you mentioned what I think is one of the 
biggest failures in policy of any administration, and that is 
the disaster at the Southern border, and I know that Vice 
President Harris has kind of flip-flopped. Four years ago, she 
implied that the border wall was racist, and now she is 
featuring it in campaign ads. One of the first policies enacted 
was the halting the construction of the border wall. You have 
stated in your remarks that you believe that was their policy 
to have an open border policy. It was not incompetence. This 
was their specific intent. One of the arguments that some of my 
colleagues make is that there was a bill that would have fixed 
the border crisis. Now, would that bill have solved the border 
crisis? I guess it was the one the Oklahoma senator and 
whomever was in the Senate, that was the Senate bill. Would 
that have solved the crisis?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes, that was Senator Lankford's bill, and, 
no, it would not have solved the crisis. H.R. 2, which this 
body passed, would have been much more effective in that 
regard. The Senate so-called bipartisan bill, first of all, was 
drafted by the Biden-Harris DHS, basically, and it was a joint 
effort of a Democrat, a Republican, and an independent, and I 
have every reason to believe they were actually trying to craft 
something constructive.
    Chairman Comer. Right, but----
    Mr. Krikorian. But neither they nor their staffs have the--
--
    Chairman Comer. Right.
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. Depth of knowledge on 
immigration, and so they ended up getting basically----
    Chairman Comer. So, it would not have solved the problem?
    Mr. Krikorian. Right. No, it would have codified some of--
--
    Chairman Comer. Right.
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. The illegal actions that----
    Chairman Comer. Exactly. Commissioner Carr, you have 
vocally criticized the Biden Administration's very expensive 
$42 million BEAD Program. Who is primarily to blame for this 
program's lack of meaningful follow-through, and what are the 
causes of these? We spent all this money for broadband access, 
and I know my district desperately needs that, but no one is 
getting broadband. No one is benefiting from this. What is 
going on with that? What is this Administration done with 
that----
    Mr. Carr. Yes, I think we----
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Forty-two billion dollars?
    Mr. Carr. The reason why we are having $42 billion 
allocated, 1,039 days in, and not a single person connected is 
because the Administration, under Vice President Harris' 
leadership, has prioritized a progressive wish list of issues. 
They want to put DEI requirements in place. They want to put 
price controls in place. They want government-run networks. So, 
it has taken time to put those requirements in place, and that 
has delayed the actual turning of dirt.
    Chairman Comer. That is so bad. It is such a huge issue in 
Kentucky, and Congress allocated $42 billion, yet no one has 
benefited from this. That is what the purpose of this Committee 
is about: waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement of the Federal 
Government. If someone on the other side wants to defend this 
BEAD Program, I am anxious when they get their 5 minutes.
    Ms. Mobbs, I believe the Chinese Communist Party is the 
biggest threat we have to the United States.
    Dr. Mobbs. Uh-huh.
    Chairman Comer. Do you believe the Biden-Harris 
Administration is still approaching the Chinese Communist Party 
as a competitor instead of an adversary? And how has their 
approach contributed to the CCP's increased infiltration and 
influence operations, such as flying a spy balloon over our 
country, buying up land close to U.S. military bases, and 
increased aggression toward Taiwan?
    Dr. Mobbs. So, I do feel that we are approaching it as 
competition versus looking them as an adversary, which I said 
in my opening statement. It is critical for us to develop 
policies to effectively begin to deter and counter them as an 
adversary. Unfortunately, we have had weak deterrence in the 
Indo-Pacific. The U.S. naval fleet in the Pacific is crucial 
for countering China's growing military presence. We have the 
lowest number of ships since the cold war, and that rapid naval 
expansion poses a significant threat, and the Biden 
Administration has, unfortunately, been slow to increase 
military investments in that region.
    We have also failed to mitigate Chinese economic dominance 
via maintaining tariffs or failing to do so from economic 
sanctions. We have had an inadequate response to cyber threats, 
and we have missed opportunities for strategic diplomacy that 
could help us establish a winning strategy with our 
counterparts.
    Chairman Comer. Uh-huh.
    Dr. Mobbs. So, in essence, we are failing to win in this 
strategy.
    Chairman Comer. Right.
    Dr. Mobbs. We are looking at managing the competition 
versus dominating.
    Chairman Comer. Right. Very good. We talked about the 
border crisis. We have talked about misappropriating $42 
billion in taxpayer dollars. We published a report last week 
where $200 billion was lost to fraud during COVID in the 
Unemployment Insurance Program. We talked about the lack of 
seriousness and the soft-on-China policies of this 
Administration. Last, I want to ask about the Green New Deal 
because when Vice President Harris was campaigning for 
President, she was an advocate of the Green New Deal. Ms. 
Gunasekara, what would happen, what would our energy grid look 
like, what would America look like if Vice President Harris was 
able to implement the Green New Deal?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Well, we have a snapshot of what that would 
look like because under the leadership of President Biden and 
Vice President Kamala Harris, the agencies have been largely 
implementing pieces of the Green New Deal, and so the resulting 
effect is increased cost energy and a less reliable grid, and 
also, no real tangible benefit to show in terms of reducing 
overall emissions. So, it is quite counterintuitive to the 
purported and stated goals of the Green New Deal to improve the 
environment.
    What you have actually seen, is that you have had 
electricity prices go up. Most recently, home heating oil is up 
36 percent, electricity up is up 32 percent, and natural gas is 
up 25 percent. This is all a direct result of policies coming 
from agencies run by the Biden-Harris officials, agencies 
enacting regulations that put the squeeze on these operations, 
inject politics, and manifest itself in increased prices on the 
American people, expanding financial burdens.
    Chairman Comer. So, and I am going to give the Ranking 
Member an extra minute and a half, so is it safe to say the 
Kamala Harris Green New Deal would contribute as much to 
increased inflation as the Democrats' Inflation Reduction Act 
has?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Well, yes, certainly, and I know you recall 
she was the tie-breaking vote that passed the Inflation 
Reduction Act. But yes, the Green New Deal, when energy prices 
go up, the price of everything else goes up, and when you are 
in the inflationary economy, everyone dealing with it, makes it 
that much worse.
    Chairman Comer. Yes. Thank you. I now yield 6 1/2 minutes 
to the Ranking Member.
    Mr. Raskin. Mr. Chairman, thank you kindly. For the record, 
it is [Kah'-mah-la] Harris and not [Kim-ah'-la]. And so, I 
mean, we take it as an honest mistake, but I think everybody on 
the Committee is capable of saying our----
    Chairman Comer. You know, I have trouble with a lot of last 
names.
    Mr. Raskin. I gotcha.
    Chairman Comer. That is a characteristic from Appalachia. I 
apologize.
    Mr. Raskin. Well, I remember when I hiked the Appalachian 
Trail, they said if you call it [Apple-ate'-tcha], they will 
throw an apple-atcha, so.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Raskin. All right. Back to you, Ms. Gunasekara, and I 
just want to get this straight. Nobody here has disavowed their 
own connection to Project 2025, in the big report that I am 
calling the MAGA Manifesto, but the big book. Donald Trump is 
trying to backpedal right now. What he said when he was at the 
Heritage Foundation is our country is going to hell. The 
critical job of institutions such as ``Harrige's''--and 
admittedly, he called Heritage ``Harrige's'', but we know he 
meant Heritage--is to lay the groundwork. `And ``Harrige's'' 
does such an incredible job at that,' he said, `they are going 
to lay the groundwork and detailed plans for exactly what our 
movement will do and what your movement will do when the 
American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.' 
Are you not proud of your association with Donald Trump and the 
fact that he seems to be embracing Project 2025?
    Ms. Gunasekara. It was an honor of my life to serve 
President Trump at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. 
And the work that I have put into Project 2025 is a result of 
that experience and lessons learned that I think would be 
extremely beneficial to trying to advance the cause of the 
conservative movement, to reduce the government, ensure that 
the voice of the people to----
    Mr. Raskin. Just to interrupt for a second. So, your 
contribution to the Project 2025 Report is something you are 
proud of, right?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes. Yes.
    Mr. Raskin. And you are proud of the association with 
Donald Trump?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Again, I disagree with the way that you are 
asking that question.
    Mr. Raskin. Well, OK.
    Ms. Gunasekara. I understand what you are trying to do 
here. You are trying to create a----
    Mr. Raskin. I am just trying to get to the facts, that is 
all, because everybody seems to be backpedaling from what seems 
completely obvious. Donald Trump praised Project 2025. He said 
that this ``lays the groundwork and details the plans for what 
our movement will do,'' and now all of a sudden, everybody 
wants to run away from that. Well, Mr. Krikorian, let me come 
to you. I was interested in your little exchange about the 
Senate immigration deal. We had a bipartisan border agreement, 
which Donald Trump blew up at the last minute because he did 
not want a border solution. He wanted a border crisis to run 
on, but in any event, are you denying that the people at the 
border, who work at the border, wanted that deal, wanted the 
immigration deal?
    Mr. Krikorian. The now-former Chairman of or head of the 
Border Patrol union endorsed it, and my sense was that--I have 
not talked to him about it--but that it was because it offered 
extra, you know, pay, and that is the----
    Mr. Raskin. Well, I will help you out.
    Mr. Krikorian. OK.
    Mr. Raskin. ``As Conservatives Balk, U.S. Border Patrol 
Union Endorses Senate Immigration Deal.''
    Mr. Krikorian. Yep.
    Mr. Raskin. That is, the union for everybody who works at 
the border wanted it. There are people who want to politicize 
the border and do not want a solution there because they would 
prefer to engage in scapegoating and immigrant bashing and 
stereotyping and so on. But we had what conservative senators 
were describing as a great deal, and yet, that that was 
destroyed, and that is unfortunate, but it demonstrates the 
real lack of commitment to make something happen there.
    Ms. Mobbs, I wanted to come to you. I was very interested 
in your remarks about Ukraine. From what you were saying, it 
indicated to me that, unlike Donald Trump and unlike J.D. 
Vance, you actually support Ukraine's effort to repel Vladimir 
Putin's filthy imperialist invasion of their country. Is that 
right? Do you support Ukraine against Putin?
    Dr. Mobbs. I do support Ukraine against Putin.
    Mr. Raskin. OK. So, you would disavow the positions taken 
by Trump and J.D. Vance who say they do not care? J.D. Vance 
said he does not care. He does not give a damn about the people 
of Ukraine.
    Dr. Mobbs. I cannot speak to their position outside of what 
I witnessed in the first debate when President Trump 
specifically stated that he did not and would not concede any 
territory to Vladimir Putin.
    Mr. Raskin. He did say that?
    Dr. Mobbs. He did in his first debate.
    Mr. Raskin. OK. I thought his position was he is going to 
solve this on day one, basically by letting Putin have what he 
wants, but I am glad to hear it if that is his position. It is 
certainly not the position being taken by MAGA Republicans, as 
you know, who have opposed and consistently voted against aid 
to the Ukrainian people. So, that is different. All right.
    Let me come to you, Mr. Carr, because I know you are on the 
FCC right now. You did not disclaim the possibility of becoming 
Chairman of the FCC, and that is cool. Everybody has got 
ambitions. And you have not disclaimed your connection to 
Project 2025 or to Donald Trump, but here is what I want to ask 
you about. When Donald Trump said after his--I think everybody 
can concede--world-class, dreadful, terrible, and pathetic 
performance in the Presidential debate, he wanted to blame ABC 
for it, and he called on the FCC to take away ABC's license, 
OK? In January, he called for revocation of NBC's license 
because he felt that they cut short his full victory speech 
after he won the heavily contested Iowa caucus, OK? If you were 
Chair of the FCC and Donald Trump, per usual, called you from 
the Oval Office or called upon the FCC to demand the revocation 
of a license for ABC or NBC because he had a political problem 
with something they had done, what would your reaction be? It 
is an honest question. How would you deal with that?
    Mr. Carr. I thank you for the question. I do not know about 
all the premises in there, but I will tell you----
    Mr. Raskin. Well, they are all true, but I can give you the 
documentation if you want.
    Mr. Carr. Speaking of the hypothetical about the future 
that you were laying out, I am not sort of speaking to a 
hypothetical future, but I can tell you where I am right now, 
which is, look, I have been nominated by President Trump. I 
have been nominated by President Biden. I have been vetted by 
the Senate three times. I have been confirmed unanimously. In 
all of those contexts I have been asked repeatedly very similar 
versions of this question. I have said going all the way back 
to 2017, every single decision that I make on the FCC will be 
based on the FCC's precedent, Federal law, and the First 
Amendment. I have said it repeatedly, and I have acted 
consistent with that.
    Mr. Raskin. OK. And so just to be a little more specific, 
you would agree that the President has no authority to order a 
Federal commission or agency to engage in an action of a 
political or partisan nature?
    Mr. Carr. Again, what I have said is, anything that comes 
from the White House, whether it is Republican or Democrat, 
every action that I will take----
    Mr. Raskin. Yes?
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. At the FCC is the same that I have 
done over the last 6 years, which is apply the law consistent 
with the First Amendment.
    Mr. Raskin. All right. So, are you disavowing the so-called 
unitary executive theory that is being propounded by Project 
2025, that everything that happens in the executive branch of 
government, including commission and agency action, is directly 
under the political control of the President of the United 
States?
    Chairman Comer. And the gentleman's time has----
    Mr. Raskin. Yes.
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Expired by a lot, but if you 
want to answer it, you can. If you do not, you do not have to. 
We could----
    Mr. Raskin. Could you answer the----
    Chairman Comer. All right.
    Mr. Raskin. Yes.
    Mr. Carr. This is not an issue that I have spoken to 
publicly. It is not something that I have addressed.
    Mr. Raskin. That is why I am asking you now, you know. Do 
you disavow?
    Chairman Comer. I was gracious with your time.
    Mr. Raskin. Oh.
    Chairman Comer. You have went a minute over, 7 1/2 minutes. 
The Chair now recognizes Mr. Grothman from Wisconsin.
    Mr. Grothman. Sure. First of all, I just give you a 
historical quote to start things off. They asked Benjamin 
Franklin on the Constitution, and he said he was giving the 
American people a republic, if they can keep it. So, every 4 
years, we got to fight to keep that republic.
    Now, Mr. Carr, you kind of were interesting there, in which 
you implied that the Biden Administration is intentionally or 
spent a long time not enforcing our border law and, therefore, 
apparently intentionally trying to get as many people here as 
possible, which would be one way to change the country that we 
have permanently. Another way would be to try to get rid of the 
middle class. And one of you--was it Ms. Mobbs or Ms. 
Gunasekara who mentioned the electric vehicle thing? That is 
you? I think a vehicle, a car, is something that Americans 
really need today to get around, I guess, unless you are in New 
York City or something. Question I have for you. This electric 
car thing, do you have any idea how much it is going to 
increase the cost of a car?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Well, again, we have a snapshot because the 
price of vehicles has already increased substantially to the 
point where a lot of Americans are priced out of purchasing new 
cars. It ranges from $10,000 to $30,000, depending on the 
chassis and what manufacturer you are ultimately looking at. 
But the reality is, when Americans are priced out of buying new 
cars, they drive older cars longer, so all of the benefits you 
would try to achieve by improving efficiency standards are not 
realized because the changeover is not actually achieved.
    Mr. Grothman. OK. As I understand it, the cost of insurance 
is also dramatically higher for an electric car. Is that right?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, absolutely, and there are a lot of 
questions, too, with regard to replacing whether or not an 
electric vehicle is totaled once it is involved in a fender 
bender. That typically is a quick fix for a regular gas-powered 
vehicle. And then when the life of the battery again, this 
ranges everywhere from 3 years to 10 years, what actually 
happens with the end of life, the recycling piece of that, and 
that all adds to considerations on insurance. And what we have 
seen recently as the trend is the price continues to go up.
    Mr. Grothman. Right. I also heard yesterday for the first 
time--I was not aware of this--these electric cars that people 
are going to have to buy, they depreciate quicker than the 
standard car. Have you ever heard that?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, I have heard that as well. Again, I 
would just look at consumer preference. It is not necessarily 
about picking one technology over the other. It is what do the 
consumers want, and when it comes to mobility, they want an 
affordable, reliable car that safely gets them and their family 
from point A to point B. And increasingly, Americans are saying 
no to electric vehicles that this Administration is pushing, 
alongside state-based regulations like California that is 
looking to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles starting in 5 
to 7 years from now.
    Mr. Grothman. It is a difficult thing to wonder, but given 
that people need a car, the combination of driving up the cost 
of a new car, driving down the amount you are getting in a 
trade-in, and the dramatic increase you are going to have to 
pay in insurance, it is going to make it much more difficult to 
be members of the middle class in America than before these 
cars, don't you think?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, absolutely. And again, point A to 
point B is usually taking your kids to school or driving to 
your job and coming back, going to the grocery store and coming 
back, aspects that are fundamental to create a thriving and 
healthy home. And you have to think, too, what is all of this 
for? Why is this Administration and, the Biden-Harris 
Administration, so keen on pushing Americans into electric 
vehicles? They say it is to reduce emissions and for their 
climate agenda, but the reality is the majority of the minerals 
that go into these batteries are sourced from areas like China 
where they have appalling environmental standards. They violate 
basic norms of humanitarian standards and rely on either forced 
or child labor to extract these minerals. So, if you think big 
picture, it actually undermines some fundamental goals that all 
Americans, Republican or Democrats, have fought very hard to 
seek some degree of improvement.
    Mr. Grothman. Yes. Another way that you try to get rid of 
the middle class is you cause inflation by spending huge 
amounts of money that we do not have, and I want to give you an 
example of that. We talk about the huge cost of inflation from 
the so-called Inflation Reduction Act, but it is forgotten that 
the Democrat party, if it were not for Senator Manchin, 
actually wanted to have this bill be three times the cost of 
the bill that was eventually passed. What effect would have 
that had on inflation if the vast majority of Democrats got 
what they wanted, including, apparently, President Biden? What 
effect would have that had on inflation? Would have been much 
worse than we already saw?
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time is expired, but please 
feel free to answer that.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, I would just summarize it. I think 
everyone has done a good job on this side of the dais, but it 
would make Americans lives that much harder because of the 
financial hardships and burdens that have been experienced 
during the Biden-Harris Administration and their disregard for 
inflation that was predicted, especially with the passage of 
the Inflation Reduction Act and how that has manifested itself 
in more expensive gas, groceries, and everyday goods.
    Mr. Grothman. Just one other brief comment.
    Chairman Comer. OK.
    Mr. Grothman. A comment was made about the Republicans 
trying to ban books. Usually, I think that when Republicans try 
to ban books, it is explicit books for sex-ed class for 
elementary school kids. I do not think a lot of people realize 
that when Democrats talk about that, that is what they mean.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. All right. The Chair now 
recognizes Ms. Norton from Washington, DC.
    Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Perryman, this 
question is for you. The Biden-Harris Administration landmark 
Inflation Reduction Act and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law 
provided historic investments in our communities and America's 
future. Under the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the Biden-
Harris Administration has announced $480 billion for over 
60,000 projects to date, including upgrading bridges in 
Kentucky, replacing lead pipes in Detroit, and new and ungraded 
rail tracks from North Carolina to Virginia. On September 5, 
2024, President Biden and the U.S. Department of Agriculture 
announced a $7.3 billion investment for clean energy in rural 
communities, including in Kentucky, Ohio, Texas, and Florida, 
made possible by the Inflation Reduction Act.
    So, Ms. Perryman, how has the Biden-Harris Administration's 
focus on investing in America through landmark legislation, 
like the Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, helped communities across the country?
    Ms. Perryman. Well, I think they are tremendous 
achievements, and we have seen investment job growth, hundreds 
of thousands of jobs that have been reported. By the way, at 
the same time that we are seeing a multiyear low in inflation, 
which many economists did not think was particularly possible 
to be able to keep unemployment relatively low, build jobs, 
create new jobs at the same time, while also reducing inflation 
to multiyear lows. So, those are some policy highlights. But 
other things that are worth highlighting is the work that the 
Infrastructure Act has done to connect communities that have 
been traditionally left out of these infrastructure bills. 
Where infrastructure has been built and has actually torn 
communities apart, and highways that have run through 
communities and displaced people, the IRA, or the 
Infrastructure Act, did a lot of work in order to invest 
specifically in those communities that had been left out, and 
so those are some of the highlights.
    The other thing is, with respect to healthcare, the 
Inflation Reduction Act, of course, has made tremendous strides 
toward making our medications more affordable by allowing 
Medicare to negotiate drug prices, which is something, of 
course, Project 2025 calls on repealing for all Americans, 
including the middle class.
    Ms. Norton. Would you call these investment policies 
failures or successes?
    Ms. Perryman. You know, I think that it is not just me that 
would call them a success, but I think Nobel laureate 
economists have called them successes, as have communities 
across America, including in home states like my state of 
Texas, that are seeing a lot of investment in their 
communities.
    Ms. Norton. Well, investments like these and others through 
the Inflation Reduction Act have led to the creation of more 
than 330,000 good-paying and union clean-energy jobs since the 
law was enacted a little over 2 years ago. In total, the Biden-
Harris Administration's leadership has led to more than 775,000 
new manufacturing jobs, while 200,000 manufacturing jobs were 
lost under the Trump Administration. Ms. Perryman, do policies 
that create good-paying union jobs benefit Americans?
    Ms. Perryman. They certainly do, and that is one of the 
concerns that we have with a number of these far-right policies 
that you see in Project 2025 that are really seeking to repeal 
that progress.
    Ms. Norton. Would you say this is a failure or a success?
    Ms. Perryman. Creating jobs in the United States, 
particularly good jobs, is always, always a success.
    Ms. Norton. Another highlight of the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law is the Broadband Equity Access and 
Deployment Program, and do not just take my word for it. We 
know Republican Governors think so, too. I have a packet of 
press releases and statements from 12 Republican Governors, 
including the Governors of Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, 
Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont, 
Virginia, and West Virginia, celebrating the money they will 
receive through this program to connect rural communities in 
their states to high-speed internet.
    Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to submit these 12 
press releases and statements into the record.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection. So, ordered.
    Ms. Norton. Thank you. I am grateful for the Biden-Harris 
Administration's leadership investing in American communities 
and American workers. I am also proud to have passed the 
Inflation Reduction and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law that have 
made these investments properly possible. And I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Sessions from 
Texas.
    Mr. Sessions. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. I want to 
go to Meaghan Mobbs if I can, please, first. Maybe the only 
one, but the time we have.
    We have heard a lot of discussion about families, women, 
safety, people being able to afford housing, people being able 
to afford a job that they may have to drive to, middle America, 
families, women, children, education. Can you please talk to us 
what, I believe, is about the Administration's excessive 
spending that has caused inflation, a border that is open where 
we do not have enough housing for people, cities and crime 
impacting our schools and communities, and last, the attack on 
women that has occurred by allowing transgenders to compete 
against women, thus taking away their opportunity to find 
success at even national championships? Can you give us an 
overlay of that? We know that you are here today to talk about 
Center for American Safety, Security, and Independence. I think 
they are taking this away from middle-class America.
    Dr. Mobbs. Thank you, Congressman. I appreciate the 
question, and specifically, I am here to talk about kind of 
foreign policy and national security failures. And what I can 
say about that is that when we fail to demonstrate safety and 
security both at home and abroad, the most vulnerable are 
always impacted, and the most vulnerable are typically the 
elderly, women, and children. And we are seeing an inability of 
women to feel safe in their communities. There is the 
perception that crime is on the rise, there is the perception 
that schools are unsafe, and certainly when we perceive our 
lives to be unsafe, you act in accordance with that. There is a 
reason why one of the largest-growing gun ownership is actually 
Black women because of feelings of safety. So, certainly, there 
is an eradication of feelings of safety, security here in 
America.
    I think it is important to also recognize what I said in my 
opening statement, that it is not just here at home that women 
and girls are being impacted. It is women and girls abroad who 
are being impacted by these failed foreign policies, and they 
are often placed in these vulnerable positions as well because 
we are not demonstrating substantial leadership.
    Mr. Sessions. Thank you very much. Mr. Carr, I live within 
that area that is not fully compatible with broadband and have 
several counties that are completely without the ability to 
have broadband, and yet, I am understanding $42 billion has 
been spent by the Administration, and it is not out there. It 
is not happening. And the Democrats love to talk about all this 
money that they spend, but I think it is a lot like President 
Obama, where he had, back in 2009, all this $787 billion that 
had to be spent within 6 weeks, and you cannot even engineer a 
project in that time. Why is it that this $42 billion has not 
taken hold of giving people what they needed now to compete?
    Mr. Carr. I think we have now gone to the opposite extreme. 
If you look at Texas alone, they are supposed to get $3.3 
billion of the $42 billion to connect somewhere in the order of 
628,000 homes and businesses that have nothing today, so 
millions of Texans. And what has happened is, rather than 
focusing on quickly turning dirt or otherwise connecting 
Americans, they have spent time and wasted time adopting these 
DEI preferences, these climate change agendas, price controls.
    You know, we heard about some Governors that supported 
this. Yes, everybody was excited about this. Once it was 
passed, the money was going to be spent. Every state wanted to 
benefit. They deserve to benefit. But Virginia, for instance, 
they were the first out of the gate, put their first 
application in. You know what happened? They had to wait and 
sit around while the Biden Administration, under Vice President 
Harris' leadership, tried to force them to put in price 
controls that the state did not want to do. So, the good news 
is all this money has not been spent. It is largely still 
sitting there. There is time to correct course. Let us get rid 
of the extraneous political goals and just connect Americans.
    Mr. Sessions. It seems like to me that this is something 
that Republicans have gathered, and that is almost why the 
Supreme Court said, as it relates to the issue of abortion, we 
will let local people make their own decisions. We will provide 
the money, provide basic parameters around it, and let the 
states go and get things done. I think it is a model that is 
going to gain power this next year. Mr. Chairman, I yield back 
my time.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes Mr. Lynch from Massachusetts.
    Mr. Lynch. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want 
to clear up one part of the record. This Committee actually had 
jurisdiction over the negotiations that the Trump 
Administration conducted for the withdrawal from Afghanistan. 
They negotiated directly, unilaterally with the Taliban, and 
from the very beginning, the status of Afghan women and girls 
was not a priority for the Administration until this Committee, 
and I was the Chairman, called Zalmay Khalilzad, the Special 
Ambassador for the Trump Administration, came to this 
Committee. And in a bipartisan fashion--I believe Mr. Sessions 
was the Member of the Committee at the time--we insisted that 
four women would be appointed to represent the voices of Afghan 
women and girls. And after that, we received a letter that I am 
going to ask to have submitted to the record.
    They thanked the Members of this Committee on both sides 
for having--here it is--to having women appointed to that 
negotiation. And look, that was from the very beginning, and 
the Trump Administration said the status of women and girls in 
Afghanistan would not be a priority for our negotiating team. 
Let me leave it at that.
    So, we are on the heels of a 2-year sham impeachment that 
failed to yield any evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden 
whatsoever, and now Republican leadership has turned their 
focus to Vice President Harris and the border. I do want to 
review the facts. Earlier this year, a group of Republican and 
Democratic senators announced that they had worked out, with 
the Biden-Harris Administration, a deal to negotiate and 
develop a bipartisan national security agreement. Importantly, 
this agreement proposed the most comprehensive border security 
reforms in nearly 30 years, including $20 billion to add more 
than 5,000 Customs and Border Protection personnel at the 
border. It also included critical provisions, including 
cutting-edge detection technology, to combat fentanyl 
distribution and human trafficking, and it codified the power 
of any President to shut down the border in an emergency.
    President Biden stated he would sign the legislation upon 
passage. Vice President Harris urged Congress to set political 
gamesmanship aside and urgently pass the agreement to secure 
the border. No one--no one--agreed that the bill was perfect, 
but everyone agreed it would greatly improve the situation. 
Unfortunately, former President Trump felt differently. As 
reported by various Republican Members of Congress, he sought 
to kill the bipartisan border deal to keep the issue alive 
purely for his own political gain.
    According to Republican Senator Mitt Romney, former 
Governor of my state, and, if anything, an honest man, he said, 
``Former President Trump indicated to senators that he does not 
want us to solve the problem at the border. He wants to lay the 
blame for the border at Biden's feet, and the idea that someone 
running for President would say please hurt the country so I 
can blame my opponent and help my politics is a shocking 
development.'' The former President's opposition to the deal 
even led Republican senator, Thom Tillis, to warn his 
Republican colleagues, ``It is immoral for me to think you look 
the other way because you think this is the linchpin for 
President Trump's efforts to win the White House.'' 
Unsurprisingly, however, this Republican-led House did look the 
other way, with Speaker Johnson killing the bipartisan deal 
before the text was even available to the House.
    Ms. Perryman, Vice President Harris has committed to 
signing the bipartisan border security agreement into law if 
she is elected, even while acknowledging that it is not a 
perfect deal. How does Trump's ability to shut down the 
democratic process and the Republicans inability or 
unwillingness to stand up for their constituents affect the 
representative nature of our democracy?
    Ms. Perryman. This is one of the most unfortunate trends 
that we have. I mean, the bipartisan border deal was something 
that if you got a bunch of people together, they would agree on 
some parts of it, disagree on other parts of it because it was 
the product of compromise, which has always been a hallmark of 
legislation in this country because that is what we are. We are 
a country of compromise, and we are a country that gets things 
done.
    Our Congress has not been able to do that, unfortunately, 
and as a result of not being able to pass this legislation, we 
know that there is harm and that the crisis is not being 
addressed. So, I think it is a deeply troubling outgrowth of 
broader polarization that we see, and this is exactly why I 
think so many of the Presidential libraries are saying we have 
to have some type of role in American politics to restore 
compromise and understanding how to work across the aisle in 
disagreements.
    Mr. Lynch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back. The Chair 
recognizes the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Donalds.
    Mr. Donalds. Thank you, Chairman. Actually, I am glad we 
are coming in at this time because we need to set the record 
straight about the Senate bill, and actually, H.R. 2.
    When the Senate bill was actually published, I remember I 
was at a dinner Sunday night when the text came out. I read the 
text of the Senate bill. Many Members in the House read the 
text of the Senate bill. Members contacted Speaker Johnson, and 
we were very clear: there is no way the Senate bill should get 
a vote in the House because it is a terrible piece of 
legislation that will not secure the Southern border.
    House Republicans have passed border security measures, 
H.R. 2. We did it more than a year ago. Has Chuck Schumer 
brought it up for even debate or a vote in the Senate? No, he 
has not. Has the White House decided to reach out to the 
Speaker Johnson to debate and deliberate or negotiate or 
compromise on H.R. 2 and its elements to secure the Southern 
border? No, they have not. They are in charge in the Senate and 
in the White House. They have done nothing except the bill that 
could not even make it out of the Senate, so I think it is 
important to set the record straight. Oh, also, by the way, 
House Republicans were not going to vote for that bill, and 
that was before Donald Trump even made his view known on the 
Senate compromise bill. We were already against it when the 
bill text came out because it is a trash bill.
    Now, moving on. Ms. Gunasekara--I think I got it right--can 
you explain to me what an environmental impact assessment is?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, certainly. It is an assessment a 
Federal agency does to measure a proposed project's potential 
impact on the environment.
    Mr. Donalds. The Biden-Harris Administration, does their 
EPA use environmental impact assessments?
    Ms. Gunasekara. They do in some applications. Typically, it 
is in the context of NEPA, which is in conjunction with other 
Federal agencies, but yes.
    Mr. Donalds. If you are trying to go through the process 
of, let us say, limiting permit applications for leases that 
have been extended to private drillers, would an environmental 
impact assessment be the way that you would do that?
    Ms. Gunasekara. It certainly is a tool that this 
Administration has used. It is to analyze it to death or to 
keep it in bureaucratic purgatory, which, with a lot of 
important infrastructure projects, we have actually seen. This 
Administration has backtracked on important infrastructure 
improvements that we put in place to limit time for review, to 
limit the scope of review, that this Administration, again, has 
changed to the detriment of building out energy infrastructure 
projects, highway infrastructure projects, and on and on.
    Mr. Donalds. Would you argue that this Administration is 
pretty adept at using these types of reviews to slow walk 
energy development projects in the United States?
    Ms. Gunasekara. The Biden-Harris Administration is an 
expert at using the Federal Government and weaponizing those 
processes to undermine the development of key energy projects 
that we need.
    Mr. Donalds. Thank you so much. Ms. Mobbs, I have a 
question for you. You said in your opening testimony that there 
have been embassies that have been lost/evacuated. How many 
embassies have--I am going to just say evacuated--have been 
evacuated under the Biden-Harris Administration?
    Dr. Mobbs. There has been seven total evacuations, and then 
there have been numerous partial evacuations.
    Mr. Donalds. What is a partial evacuation of a U.S. 
embassy?
    Dr. Mobbs. It is when nonessential personnel are removed 
for safety purposes and then can return later.
    Mr. Donalds. What is going on in foreign policy in a 
specific country that would require the United States to do a 
partial evacuation of an embassy?
    Dr. Mobbs. So, the situation would have deteriorated so 
critically that they felt that they could not establish 
protection for those nonessential personnel for them to be kind 
of forced to leave.
    Mr. Donalds. In any administration, let us say, the last 30 
years, how many embassies have been lost over the last 30 
years, evacuated either total or partial?
    Dr. Mobbs. I do not have the number in front of me. I could 
get it to you.
    I think the important thing here, though, is that because 
there is a historic number, it is because of the unprecedented 
levels of chaos and instability and the inability of our State 
Department, and certainly the executive, to project enough 
strength and power to protect our embassies and our embassy 
officials around the world.
    Mr. Donalds. Would you say that this State Department has 
done a fair job, an average job, a terrible job of getting 
Americans out of harm's way in countries that are experiencing 
serious security questions for the United States citizens?
    Dr. Mobbs. I think we have seen substantial and significant 
problems in a number of different theaters where the State 
Department has failed to effectively plan to ensure that 
American citizens are safely returned to their home.
    Mr. Donalds. Do you think that in Afghanistan it was wise 
for us to pull our troops out last and for the State Department 
to not do everything possible to get Americans out before it 
was turned over to the Taliban?
    Dr. Mobbs. I deeply believe we should never leave an 
American behind. I was a huge advocate of withdrawing from 
Afghanistan. We were spending $2 trillion there, almost $300 
million of U.S. taxpayer dollars there every day. But what we 
saw was basically a catastrophic failure of the State 
Department, of the DoD, of our intelligence agencies, of the 
National Security Council, of the National Security Advisor, to 
effectively coordinate an effective strategy to allow our 
interests to remain and to get American citizens safely out.
    Mr. Donalds. Thank you. I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes Mr. Connolly from Virginia.
    Mr. Connolly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Perryman, I am 
going to try to cover a lot of territory, so let us be quick. 
The gentlelady next to you decried the fact that the Biden 
Administration is impeding energy production in the United 
States. Do you happen to know what the daily oil and gas 
production is in the United States right now?
    Ms. Perryman. I do not have the precise point, but I know--
--
    Mr. Connolly. Thirteen-point-four----
    Ms. Perryman [continuing]. It has not been impeded.
    Mr. Connolly. Thirteen-point-four million barrels. Is that 
the largest in the world right now?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe so.
    Mr. Connolly. Is it also the largest in American history?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe it is.
    Mr. Connolly. And are we now exporting energy because we 
have so much of it?
    Ms. Perryman. We are.
    Mr. Connolly. Are we, in fact, energy independent?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe we are close.
    Mr. Connolly. Thank you very much. So much for the failure 
of the Biden Administration. Infrastructure. Also comments 
about infrastructure. Did the Trump Administration have 
numerous infrastructure weeks, we are going to promote 
infrastructure 6, 12 times?
    Ms. Perryman. They did.
    Mr. Connolly. They did. Did they ever pass an 
infrastructure bill?
    Ms. Perryman. They did not.
    Mr. Connolly. Did President Biden pass an infrastructure 
bill?
    Ms. Perryman. He did.
    Mr. Connolly. Is it also the largest infrastructure bill in 
American history?
    Ms. Perryman. The Biden-Harris infrastructure bill is the 
largest in American history.
    Mr. Connolly. And pretty comprehensive. It covers lots of 
different kinds of infrastructure. Is that correct?
    Ms. Perryman. Many infrastructure and lots of investment.
    Mr. Connolly. Right. Now, Ms. Moby [sic] has an interesting 
revisionist history with respect to foreign policy, which 
happens to be my beat. So, let us visit foreign policy. 
Decrying Afghanistan. And so, I got to go back in history 
because I remember my other committee having Ambassador 
Khalilzad, who was the negotiator for President Trump on 
Afghanistan. Is it true that the United States, under the Trump 
Administration, had direct negotiations with the Taliban in 
Doha and excluded the Afghan Government from that table and 
those negotiations, the very government, purportedly, we were 
there to support?
    Ms. Perryman. That is true.
    Mr. Connolly. Did that agreement that Ambassador Khalilzad, 
on behalf of President Trump, negotiate with the Taliban, did 
that also involve the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, many 
of whom were in prison because they were suspected terrorists?
    Ms. Perryman. Yes.
    Mr. Connolly. Five thousand. Have I got that right?
    Ms. Perryman. Those are the figures I am familiar with.
    Mr. Connolly. And did that agreement also actually 
stipulate a full and complete withdrawal of U.S. troops by May 
2021?
    Ms. Perryman. I recall that it did.
    Mr. Connolly. Right, and did President Biden inherit all of 
that?
    Ms. Perryman. And more.
    Mr. Connolly. And did he try to extend the withdrawal to 
buy time to avoid the very chaos, unfortunately, we 
experienced?
    Ms. Perryman. That is what I understand.
    Mr. Connolly. And do you think it would be fair to say 
that, actually, if we are decrying what happened that summer, 
we might want to look at the antecedents and the discouragement 
and the demoralization of the Afghan Government and military 
from resisting the Taliban, given the fact that the sponsor of 
the Afghan Government, purportedly the United States, had 
clearly abandoned that government? Would that be a fair 
statement, do you think?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe so.
    Mr. Connolly. OK. She also talked about Ukraine, that, 
somehow, we should have, you know, anticipated what was going 
to happen. Was there a President of the United States who 
withheld Javelin missiles necessary for the defense of Ukraine 
and threatened to withhold all military assistance to Ukraine 
until and unless the President of Ukraine, President Zelenskyy, 
provided political dirt on a political opponent?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe there was, and it was the former 
President.
    Mr. Connolly. And was that President, in fact, impeached 
for that very phone conversation over that very issue?
    Ms. Perryman. Yes.
    Mr. Connolly. And would it be fair to say that that 
development, that threat, and that withholding of weapons might 
be construed, if you were Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin, as a 
sign of weakness on the part of Ukraine and a sign that maybe 
the United States was not going to be there should something 
bad happen between Russia and Ukraine?
    Ms. Perryman. Seems like a plausible.
    Mr. Connolly. And might that be enhanced by the fact that 
that same President, President Trump, actually praised 
President Putin on numerous occasions and even said that he 
trusted his word over U.S. intelligence with respect to Russian 
interference in the 2016 election?
    Ms. Perryman. That is, unfortunately, what the former 
President----
    Mr. Connolly. And finally, Iran and nuclear weapons. Was 
there not an agreement that the United States actually led that 
involved Russia and China, Europe and Iran to limit nuclear 
weapon production in Iran?
    Ms. Perryman. There was a historic agreement.
    Mr. Connolly. And was it working?
    Ms. Perryman. Yes.
    Mr. Connolly. In all respects?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe so.
    Mr. Connolly. Inspected by IAEA and the Trump 
Administration and certified by both?
    Ms. Perryman. Yes.
    Mr. Connolly. Isn't that correct? Uh-huh. And what happened 
to that treaty?
    Ms. Perryman. President Trump pulled out.
    Mr. Connolly. And has Iran been less active in producing 
nuclear weapons or more?
    Ms. Perryman. Iran is now a greater threat because of that 
failure of diplomacy.
    Mr. Connolly. So much for efficacy. Just thought I would 
revisit that revisionist history of foreign policy. Thank you.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair recognizes Dr. Foxx from North 
Carolina.
    Ms. Foxx. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks to our 
witnesses for being here today.
    Mr. Krikorian, according to the Office of Management and 
Budget, each year the taxpayers provide more than $1.2 
trillion, or nearly 5 percent of GDP, in funding for thousands 
of programs across the entire government through grants and 
other forms of financial assistance. For such a large sum, 
taxpayers need assurance that their money is not being wasted 
or spent undermining law and order. However, taxpayers have no 
such assurances today. Should American taxpayer funds be given 
to organizations and NGO's that undermine U.S. immigration laws 
and help illegal aliens get into our country?
    Mr. Krikorian. No, Congresswoman, they should not, and, in 
fact, you are seeing that every day, even outside the United 
States, where NGO's funded by American taxpayers are 
facilitating the move of illegal immigrants to our borders.
    Ms. Foxx. A second question, please. Last year, the DHS 
Inspector General published a report on the Biden-Harris 
Administration's failure to provide adequate oversight of 
Federal grant funding. That is why I introduced H.R. 8334, the 
Grant Integrity and Border Security Act, to require any entity 
seeking a Federal grant to certify that they have not and will 
not violate Federal immigration law with regard to assisting or 
attempting to bring aliens into the United States illegally. 
This Committee voted to pass H.R. 8334 in May to help correct 
yet another of the Biden-Harris Administration's failures. Can 
you provide us with other examples of where the Biden-Harris 
Administration refuses to enforce existing U.S. immigration law 
as Congress intended?
    Mr. Krikorian. Well, the big example is the refusal to 
detain people who are, under law, required to be detained. If 
an inadmissible alien either crosses the border illegally or 
shows up at a port of entry and says that he is making some 
kind of protection claim, he fears being returned to his home 
country, the INA requires that person to be detained. And the 
mass release from detention of people who have no right to be 
in the United States is the single biggest driver of subsequent 
illegal immigration.
    In other words, someone who is thinking about immigrating 
to the United States and paying a smuggler a lot of money to do 
so is only going to do that if the odds of his succeeding, 
which is to say being let go into the United States, is high 
enough. And the mass release policies of this Administration 
have, in fact, incentivized this entire border crisis that we 
have been facing.
    Ms. Foxx. Thank you very much. Ms. Gunasekara, as I have 
said before, the Biden-Harris era EPA has managed to add $1.3 
trillion in costs on Americans. In contrast, in 8 years, the 
Obama EPA added only about $300 billion in costs. What will be 
the impact of these new costs on consumers?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Well, it makes the price of everything go 
up. Regulatory costs are another form of tax that is ultimately 
borne out by the consumers that are either using the energy 
that the Environmental Protection Agency is trying to squeeze 
out of existence or create barriers in the cultivation of 
commercial activities. And so, at the end of the day, it means 
Americans are paying more for gas at the pump, electricity 
bills, whatever form they may receive that in, or more for 
groceries at the grocery store.
    Ms. Foxx. I have a second question for you. Since the start 
of the Biden-Harris Administration, Americans have seen the 
cost of everything rise by over 20 percent, as you alluded to, 
which means families pay $11,000 more each year to maintain the 
same lifestyle. What role have the Biden-Harris 
Administration's energy and climate policies contribute to the 
economic pain felt by Americans?
    Ms. Gunasekara. A huge role. This was a day one action of 
this Administration: promises made during the campaign by 
President Biden and then longstanding actions in the Senate by 
Vice President Kamala Harris, consistent with actions she took 
on day one to effectuate a war on fossil fuels, as they say. 
This is traditional energy coal, oil, and natural gas. The 
reality is this energy still provides 80 percent of our daily 
energy needs. So, if you have an Administration using the power 
of their agencies to squeeze the development and cultivation of 
those energy resources that really are the lifeblood of our 
entire economy, it makes the price of everything go up, and 
that is exactly what we have seen throughout this 
Administration.
    Ms. Foxx. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentlelady yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes Mr. Khanna from California.
    Mr. Khanna. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Gunasekara, you 
are the former EPA Chief of Staff in the Trump Administration, 
and my understanding is you authored the Project 2025 chapter 
on the EPA. Do you still support Project 2025's proposal to 
reinstate Schedule F, which would lead to the firing of 50,000 
expert civil servants?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Absolutely. And I think there are more 
``civil servants'' that should be gone because the growth of 
the Federal bureaucracy actually gets in the way of agencies 
fulfilling important missions, like protecting public health 
and the environment.
    Mr. Khanna. And do you have an interest in serving in a 
future Trump Administration, should he win?
    Ms. Gunasekara. I do not.
    Mr. Khanna. Do you believe that if Trump wins, that he 
should implement the Project 2025 recommendation of firing the 
civil servants?
    Ms. Gunasekara. I think it is the President's prerogative 
to determine what policies he ultimately wants to implement.
    Mr. Khanna. What would your recommendation be?
    Ms. Gunasekara. There are a lot of recommendations that I 
would suggest that the President embrace from an overarching 
governance perspective.
    Mr. Khanna. Would that include the firing of the 50,000 
civil servants that the Schedule F----
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, I actually have a book coming out 
called ``Y'all Fired: A Southern Belle's Guide to Restoring 
Federalism and Draining the Swamp,'' and I go step by step of 
what I would
suggest the President do to actually right size the Federal 
Government----
    Mr. Khanna. Is that fair to say that there are other people 
who share your view who will be in his Administration?
    Ms. Gunasekara. There are a lot of people in the 
conservative movement that share this view, and there are a lot 
of Americans----
    Mr. Khanna. And will some of them be in the Administration? 
I mean, I have no problem in terms of the transparency. I just 
think the American people should know what their choice is, and 
my understanding is that your view is that we should fire these 
civil servants for whatever reasons. I have not read your book, 
maybe I will, and there are other people in the conservative 
movement who wanted to do that. And if Trump wins, you believe 
they should help implement that, correct?
    Ms. Gunasekara. I do not know who the President plans to 
hire for various positions. I know when he is ready to announce 
that, he will. I think the ways that he does----
    Mr. Khanna. But certainly, it is reasonable to assume some 
of these people would be in the Administration pushing this 
view of bureaucratic reform, as you put it?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, bureaucratic reform, is----
    Mr. Khanna. And that includes firing these 50,000 civil 
servants?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Again, I would suggest more than 50,000, 
but there is a lot within the conservative movement that 
believe and a lot of the American electorate that actually 
believe the growth of the Federal bureaucracy----
    Mr. Khanna. I appreciate your perspective because some--
Donald Trump is saying, `oh, I do not know anything about 
Project 2025.' You should just say, yes, we are going to fire 
50,000 civil servants like you have been honest about--I 
respect that--so that the American people can see if that is 
what they really want.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes. Mr. Khanna----
    Mr. Khanna. Let me just go to Mr. Carr.
    Ms. Gunasekara. I would just say Schedule F, the policy 
existed well before the most recent iteration----
    Mr. Khanna. I appreciate that.
    Ms. Gunasekara [continuing]. And mandate for leadership.
    Mr. Khanna. Mr. Carr, you did not answer Mr. Raskin's 
simple question on ABC and revoking the license. I do not need 
to know whether you make the same decisions with Democrats and 
Republicans. I just want to know, simply, do you think, based 
on the ABC debate and your role as a former FCC commissioner, 
do you think that that is grounds for revoking the license for 
ABC?
    Mr. Carr. Thank you. What I have said is consistent with 
what I have said for the past 6 years, which is every single 
decision, including in the licensing context, is one that I 
will make based on the facts, the record, and always consistent 
with the First Amendment.
    Mr. Khanna. The whole country has the facts. We all saw the 
debate. I mean, it is not like some complicated question. Based 
on those facts, based on what David Muir did, based on the 
questions that were asked, would you recommend that the license 
be revoked? I mean, President Trump obviously has an opinion on 
it. He has made it. What is your opinion?
    Mr. Carr. Look, I think I have been pretty clear. Again, I 
have been nominated by both President Biden and nominated by 
President Trump----
    Mr. Khanna. And that is not answering the question. That is 
not answering the question.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. And vetted three times. I have been 
asked different versions of the question.
    Mr. Khanna. I am not trying to be a debate moderator. That 
answer would never fly in a debate. I mean, come on. It is a 
simple question. Do you agree with President Trump's opinion? 
Look, at least I respect that Trump has an opinion. Just give 
us your opinion. Yes or no?
    Mr. Carr. My opinion is that the FCC, in every single case, 
has to apply the law, consider the First Amendment.
    Mr. Khanna. Yes, and I am saying how would you apply it 
here? Trump looked at the debate. He said the debate was 
unfair. He says the one thing that people respect about him, he 
says what he believes. You are sitting here not giving us an 
opinion. Just say yes, I agree with President Trump, or no, I 
disagree with it. People, they hate the obfuscation. Just take 
a stand. How hard is it?
    Mr. Carr. My position is clear. What you are raising are 
concerns about weaponization. I think that is important that we 
talk about that. When there is a license transfer of radio 
stations----
    Mr. Khanna. This is a bunch of gobbledygook.
    Chairman Comer. Let the witness answer the question.
    Mr. Khanna. Look. Look. Look.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. A license transfer in South Florida 
to a group that people believed were conservative purchasers. 
Democrats said the FCC should block it because the election 
depended on it.
    Mr. Khanna. But my question is very simple. Based on the 
debate and based on what----
    Mr. Carr. We have had Democrats in Congress who wrote 
letters to----
    Mr. Khanna. Do you think that----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. To cable companies telling them they 
should drop Fox News----
    Mr. Khanna. But you are not answering the question.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Because of the decision----
    Mr. Khanna. Let me try one last time.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. That the newsroom made.
    Mr. Khanna. Based on the debate, did you think that the 
questions were unfair or rigged in a way that calls for ABC's 
license to be revoked? President Trump has been very clear. I 
respect he is very clear on his view. Do you agree or disagree 
with his view? It is a ``yes'' or ``no.''
    Mr. Carr. Gosh, I think my position has been very clear 
going back to 2017 as a Commissioner for the FCC----
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time has expired, but 
please feel free to answer the question.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Two-thousand-twelve. I have 
maintained a very consistent issue, but if your concern is 
weaponization, we should talk about that. When President Biden 
stood at the White House podium and said Elon Musk is worth 
being looked at, and then all of a sudden, the FCC abruptly 
reverses a 2020 decision to get him $885 million to bring 
broadband to 640,000 people, I think that is concerning. When 
Democrats in Congress write letters to cable companies asking 
them to drop Fox News because of the decisions, I think that is 
concerning. And so, I think you have seen from my record a 
consistent pattern of always basing my decisions at the FCC 
based on the law, the facts, and the First Amendment. That is 
what I have done. That is what I will always do.
    Mr. Khanna. Mr. Chair, can I ask the gentleman----
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes Mr. 
Palmer from Alabama.
    Mr. Palmer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the record, I have 
already taken care of ABC. I do not watch them. Mr. Carr, there 
is $42 billion allocated for connecting people who are not 
connected to the internet. How many have been connected?
    Mr. Carr. Zero. Through this $42 billion program? Zero.
     Mr. Palmer. That is what I thought. Mr. Krikorian, we have 
taken a lot of heat in the House for not taking up the Senate 
border bill, but wouldn't that have just codified catch and 
release?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes, it would have, and it would have made 
the border crisis worse by making it more likely that illegal 
border crossers would end up being released into the United 
States.
    Mr. Palmer. Ms. Mobbs, Wall Street Journal, this morning, I 
want to read you a quote. It says, ``Any delays providing 
additional supplies of LNG to Ukraine and our Eastern European 
allies could jeopardize European energy security and market 
stability in the long term. LNG exports promote geopolitical 
stability and serve our national security interests.'' Who do 
you think said that?
    Dr. Mobbs. I do not know.
    Mr. Palmer. Democrats. There is a letter sent to the Biden 
Administration by no fewer than a dozen House Democrats urging 
the Administration to expedite projects to help Ukraine and 
investments in the United States. But the most telling thing 
is, is Biden officials had hoped to use the pause on LNG 
exports to excite young progressive voters, and they were using 
TikTok lobbying campaign on that issue. I find that problematic 
considering that we have determined, in a bipartisan manner, a 
hundred percent agreement in the Energy and Commerce Committee, 
that TikTok is a national security threat. Yet, the Biden 
Administration used TikTok to launch a lobbying campaign to 
have a pause on LNG, and it has alienated European allies, who 
have been counting on the U.S. to reduce their dependance on 
Russian gas, which still accounts for about 15 percent of 
Europe's gas supplies. Is that a problem?
    Dr. Mobbs. I think much of what you just said is a problem, 
Congressman, to include, obviously, TikTok being a national 
security threat. But there were 23 different key actions the 
Biden Administration took that actually encouraged Russia to 
invade Ukraine, and if I had more time, I would be happy to 
delineate all 23 different key policy decisions that were much 
like this one.
    Mr. Palmer. Mr. Carr, we allocated $7.5 billion to build 
charging stations. How many have been built?
    Mr. Carr. I believe eight more than have been built in 
terms of connections on the internet side.
    Mr. Palmer. Ms. Gunasekara, the EPA set up a National Clean 
Investment Fund. Do you know who heads up that bank? It is 
basically an investment bank. In your experience at the EPA, 
how many investment bankers did the EPA have on staff?
    Ms. Gunasekara. None that I recall.
    Mr. Palmer. Have you looked into the Clean School Bus 
Program and the grants that have been allocated for that? Have 
you had a chance to look at that?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Not most recently. I am familiar with the 
Diesel Emissions Reduction Act, which was a longstanding 
program actually supported by a former boss of mine, Senator 
Jim Inhofe, and Tom Carper over at Senate EPW and then 
culminated into lots of advancements and improvements led by 
Administrator Wheeler to ensure that we could reduce emissions 
in areas where there is a ton of idling, but I have not looked 
into recent developments.
    Mr. Palmer. Well, hold on. What I am talking about, though, 
is that they have set up this investment bank, and they are 
making grants to nonprofit groups. They are making grants to 
hub groups. And it concerns me because if you go back to what 
happened with NIH and the gain-of-function research, our law 
clearly prohibits funding for gain-of-function research, but 
they make grants to a grantee who would then make subgrants, 
and I am concerned about how this is going to be managed at the 
EPA. I just had an opportunity to have this discussion with the 
Inspector General of EPA. He is very concerned about a number 
of things, and particularly the Criminal Division of the EPA, 
but also the fact that they are rushing this money out the 
door. He cited one instance where a school administration 
applied for a grant for the Clean School Bus, and they have no 
students. Is that a problem?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, that is a huge problem. And waste, 
fraud, and abuse through the grant program, especially when an 
agency like EPA is receiving billions of dollars to be funneled 
through their grant office, that they are not equipped to 
handle that degree of taxpayer funds appropriately or 
responsibly, it creates all sorts of opportunities for 
nefarious uses.
    Mr. Palmer. OK. On the Criminal Division, they have bought 
military-style weapons, military equipment, and yet my 
Democratic colleagues want to defund the police, but they want 
to militarize the EPA's Criminal Division. Is that a problem?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, I see that as a problem. I would 
suggest defense resources go toward defense agencies, and that 
is not within EPA's mission.
    Mr. Palmer. Thank you for your answers, to all the 
witnesses. I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes Ms. Brown from Ohio.
    Ms. Brown. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am disappointed how 
this Committee is continuing to operate: no solution for the 
American people, chaos and confusion, and baseless accusations 
against President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. 
Kamala. Kamala. Like the pronunciation. And I know that we have 
addressed this multiple times, but it is frustrating to see 
adults that cannot master the art of pronunciation that was put 
on display by elementary school-aged children. It is 
disappointing, it is disrespectful, it is disparaging, but it 
seems like this is the only path that the Majority continues to 
pursue.
    That is because my colleagues on the other side of the 
aisle do not have a positive agenda. They do not have a plan to 
increase access to healthcare. They do not have a plan to 
protect a woman's right to bodily autonomy. They do not have a 
plan to protect our climate, Social Security, and Medicare, and 
SNAP access. Democrats, on the other hand, and the Biden-Harris 
Administration have actual plans, not concepts of plans, but 
real plans, and we have been hard at work delivering on behalf 
of the American people. Unemployment is at an all-time low. The 
economy is growing from the middle out. Healthcare is more 
affordable than ever and so much more. Just as one example, 
under President Biden and Vice President Harris' leadership, we 
have had the largest investment in the Nation's infrastructure 
in the last 75 years with the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, 
unlike the previous Administration, which only talked about 
Infrastructure Week but never did anything.
    President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris led the 
way. Thanks to this historic legislation, bridges, roads, and 
public transportation systems are receiving the repair, 
renovation, and renewal they have desperately needed. In my 
district, the Cleveland RTA received $16 million to renovate 
stations, making them accessible for seniors and people with 
disabilities. This will help keep our seniors and those with 
disabilities independent, connecting them to downtown Cleveland 
and other areas across Northeast Ohio. Every time I go back to 
my district, I hear praise for cleaner buses and electric 
vehicle station, Metro Parks expansion on the east side, 
potholes being filled, and new bridges and highways cutting 
down commute times--very real acts which benefit people every 
single day. And these are not acts of God. They are acts of 
Democrats and the Biden-Harris Administration. The Biden-Harris 
Administration also invested $3 billion nationwide to replace 
lead pipes, ensuring clean water for all. My district alone 
received $184 million to replace lead pipes. That means fewer 
kids getting sick from lead poisoning, so they can go to school 
healthy and ready to learn.
    So, Ms. Perryman, if you could tell us, what the success of 
the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law meant for families and 
communities across the country, particularly in low-income 
communities and Black and Brown communities that face the 
history of unequal treatment?
    Ms. Perryman. Well, the act was historic in a number of 
ways, but that is one of them. Previous infrastructure bills 
often had overlooked the fact that sometimes when 
infrastructure is built, it separates communities. It displaces 
people, particularly people in historically underserved areas. 
The infrastructure bill actually had provisions that addressed 
that very thing while also empowering and strengthening 
communities across the country.
    Ms. Brown. Thank you very much. As my colleagues noted, the 
Majority's witnesses are proponents of a certain kind of plan, 
Project 2025. In fact, some of the Republican witnesses are 
authors of the plan, and you have heard their testimony. So, 
let me remind all of us. Under Project 2025, over 70 percent of 
Ohio recipients of Social Security would have their benefits 
cut by almost $4,000 per year. A family of four would see their 
taxes raised by over $2,800 per year. Project 2025 would 
eliminate Head Start, which provides childcare and education 
for over 32,000 Ohio children. Their plan is dangerous, 
divisive, and downright destructive. I am extremely proud of 
the Biden-Harris record, and all of our constituents are better 
off because of it, and with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. Before I recognize Mr. Biggs, Mr. Palmer, 
do you have a UC request?
    Mr. Palmer. Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter into the 
record the Wall Street Journal editorial this morning, 
demonstrating there are at least a dozen sensible Democrats 
that are critical of the Biden-Harris natural gas policies.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    The Chair now recognizes Mr. Biggs from Arizona.
    Mr. Biggs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to point 
out before I get into my questioning that unless you have all 
eight of those electric vehicles built by Novvi with the $5 
billion given to Novvi in your district, then you have got EVs 
that are done by the private sector, and you should acknowledge 
that, perhaps, maybe, when you are talking about how great they 
are. So, I appreciate the testimony of the witnesses.
    Mr. Krikorian, thank you for your work. Let us ask you some 
numbers quickly, Mr. Krikorian, and I want you to let me know 
if these are accurate in the ballpark: 8 million illegal alien 
encounters by CBP during the Biden-Harris regime.
    Mr. Krikorian. Actually, more than that because that is the 
Southern border. When you count the whole country, it is more 
than 10 million.
    Mr. Biggs. Right. Very good. Southern border. 5.6 million 
illegal aliens released into the United States by this 
Administration?
    Mr. Krikorian. As far as I know, yes. They are not very 
transparent about it, but that is the conclusion we have come 
to.
    Mr. Biggs. One-point-nine million known got-aways.
    Mr. Krikorian. Yep.
    Mr. Biggs. Myriad number of unknown got-aways?
    Mr. Krikorian. We do not know what that number is, 
obviously because it is unknown.
    Mr. Biggs. Six hundred 17 thousand, six hundred and seven 
illegal aliens released into the country with criminal 
convictions or pending criminal charges?
    Mr. Krikorian. I do not have the number in front of me, but 
yes, I think that is correct.
    Mr. Biggs. And in early 2021, the Administration tapped 
Vice President Harris to serve as the Administration's border 
czar. That is not my title. It is not a title manufactured by 
Republicans. And Mr. Chairman, I submit an article in the 
record entitled, ``Harris to Visit Mexico and Guatemala.''
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Biggs. Border Czar Kamala Harris often blames the root 
causes or push factors in Central America for the border 
crisis. Do you agree with that assessment, Mr. Krikorian?
    Mr. Krikorian. Those factors are endemic. The reason we 
have the border crisis is because of the pull factors, the 
other side, which is to say policies this Administration 
implemented.
    Mr. Biggs. So, the current Commander in Chief has said that 
the Border Patrol union backed the Senate border bill, and I 
want to submit for the record, Mr. Chairman, an article that 
says Border Patrol union chief says Biden must quit saying the 
union backed the border bill.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Biggs. And Mr. Krikorian, the Senate border bill 
allowed 5,000 individual encounters a day before you could even 
begin to call it an emergency situation. Is that true?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes, it is.
    Mr. Biggs. And then before the President was mandated to 
take any action, it allowed up to 7,500 people a day. Is that 
correct?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes.
    Mr. Biggs. And there were 40 different loopholes. Even if 
the President were to put up a roadblock and say this is an 
emergency, we are going to stop there, 40 different loopholes 
allow people in.
    Mr. Krikorian. It was riddled with loopholes, yes.
    Mr. Biggs. So, Mr. Chairman, I have an article here: ``The 
Biden-Harris parole pipeline releases more than 1.3 million 
migrants into American communities,'' and I would like to admit 
that to the record.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Biggs. Over the last 15 months, the CBP One app has let 
in 813,000 into the country. CBP One app. They do not include 
those in the encounter figures that they release. Isn't that 
that true, Mr. Krikorian?
    Mr. Krikorian. Well, it is not included in the border 
encounter numbers. It is included in the overall----
    Mr. Biggs. Release numbers.
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. Total numbers.
    Mr. Biggs. Yes, in the release numbers. And not only that, 
they also released over 500,000 from the CHNV Program, which, 
for folks who do not know what that is, that is the Cuba, 
Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan Program, which, by the way, 
they stopped. Do you remember when they stopped that for 2 
weeks? Why did they stop that, Mr. Krikorian? Do you remember?
    Mr. Krikorian. Because of widespread fraud on the part of 
supposed sponsors, because the people are supposed to have a 
sponsor. And so, there were, like, multiple fake addresses, 
fake sponsors, hundreds of people sponsored by the same person, 
that kind of fraud.
    Mr. Biggs. Yes. They said they had more than 12,000 cases 
of fraud, and they took 2 whole weeks to look at it, and then 
they reignited the program. So, let us talk about some other 
impacts. Jerome Powell. Anybody know who Jerome Powell is? 
Federal Reserve Chair, right? He suggested just the other day 
that the influx of migration is contributing to rising 
unemployment. I would like to submit that for the record, 
please, Mr. Chair.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Biggs. I would like to submit another article for the 
record. This one says, ``CBP One Application Migrants Are 
Released Into the United States, No Asylum Questions Asked.''
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Biggs. Yes, and then we get to the end of this and the 
border. Having just been to the border once again, just 2 weeks 
ago, I can tell you, folks, it continues to be wide open, and 
this Administration drives that. They are providing every 
incentive in the world. They love an open border. I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes Ms. Crockett from Texas.
    Ms. Crockett. Thank you so much. You know what? This 
hearing is actually the best example of what waste, fraud, and 
abuse looks like, because the only reason we are having this 
hearing is because somebody got their feelings hurt in a 
debate, and I do not understand why we are wasting taxpayer 
dollars. Next time, tell your big boy to show up and be ready 
to handle the woman in the room who hopefully will become the 
next President of the United States. Nevertheless, while we do 
have two amazing authors from Project 2025, which it seems like 
everybody got the memo like, yes, I am going to double down and 
say it is my thing, but I am going to make sure I also say that 
it is not our homeboy's thing because we know that it does not 
poll very well with the American people because the American 
people are woke enough to recognize that there is nothing good 
in it for them.
    So, with that being said, Ms. Perryman, I am just curious, 
and this is yes or no, is Trump's name ever mentioned in 
Project 2025? Yes or no. Just yes or no. I got you.
    Ms. Perryman. Within the document itself?
    Ms. Crockett. Yes.
    Ms. Perryman. There are a number of references to the 
former Administration.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. So, is Trump's name mentioned just one 
time?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe it is mentioned more.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. Five times?
    Ms. Perryman. I have not counted.
    Ms. Crockett. Oh, OK. Well, if I told you that his name is 
mentioned approximately 312 times, would you have any reason to 
dispute that?
    Ms. Perryman. I do not have any reason to.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. Thank you very much. So, it is 
interesting that we want to try to pretend. We are not going to 
pretend in here. We are going to work with facts and not 
fiction. So, I also want to talk about inflation really quickly 
with you, Ms. Perryman, because we have talked about it a lot. 
I am just curious to know is the inflation that we just 
struggled through, was that global, or was that limited to the 
United States?
    Ms. Perryman. Global.
    Ms. Crockett. Global. Seemingly, it was attached to this 
thing called the global pandemic. Is that correct?
    Ms. Perryman. That is my understanding.
    Ms. Crockett. Oh, OK. So, it was not just the United 
States?
    Ms. Perryman. No.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. So, it was not just a matter of the 
Biden-Harris Administration and the United States is 
struggling, right?
    Ms. Perryman. I think the United States actually fared 
better than the rest of the world.
    Ms. Crockett. Oh, yes. In fact, we are, correct?
    Ms. Perryman. I think so, yes.
    Ms. Crockett. All right. But inflation still hurts, and so 
that is why we have a candidate that has an actual plan instead 
of concepts of a plan, or, as I like to say, Trump only has 
offered concepts of constitutionality mixed with coordination 
of a coup, but nevertheless, we are going to move on.
    I want to talk about the internet really quickly because we 
wanted to talk about the internet. Actually, let me talk about 
the border real fast, and then we can talk about Texas in this 
way. I would ask for unanimous consent to admit this article 
from The Hill that says, ``Trump Says 'Blame it on Me' if 
Border Bill Fails.''
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Ms. Crockett. Thank you so much. Now I am going to move on 
to the internet, and I am actually going to talk about Texas 
because I believe that the testimony has been somewhere around 
the fact that no money has actually been distributed as it 
relates to rural broadband. I would also ask for unanimous 
consent to admit this article from the USDA.gov, ``USDA 
Officials Attend Groundbreaking to Expand High-Speed Internet 
Access in Rural Texas'' dated March 7, 2024, Italy, Texas.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Ms. Crockett. Thank you so much.
    Mr. Carr. With respect, that was not the testimony.
    Ms. Crockett. Oh, I thought you said no dollars had been 
spent.
    Mr. Carr. The largest single program----
    Ms. Crockett. My question is, did you not say----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Is $42 billion.
    Ms. Crockett. OK.
    Mr. Carr. Zero houses have been connected. There are other 
Federal programs, including Trump-era ones, that right now are 
turning dirt and connecting----
    Ms. Crockett. OK. So, just to be clear, because I do not 
want the American people to be confused because I was confused, 
considering the fact the name of this hearing is the failed 
policies as if nothing had been done. But to clarify for those 
that are watching, you are not saying that no dollars have been 
spent as it relates to rural broadband dollars under the 
Infrastructure Act, correct?
    Mr. Carr. To be clear, for the signature effort, $42 
billion dollars----
    Ms. Crockett. Yes or no. Have any dollars been spent? One 
dollar?
    Mr. Carr. Not a single person has been connected. There is 
another program----
    Ms. Crockett. That is not my question, though.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. But they have their----
    Ms. Crockett. My question was, have any----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Own sets of issues.
    Mr. Carr. Senator Ted Cruz from Texas put out a report----
    Ms. Crockett. OK. I am going to move on.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. That showed that----
    Ms. Crockett. I am going to move on. I am reclaiming my 
time at this point.
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. For many of these bills----
    Ms. Crockett. I am reclaiming my time----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. It is $100,000 per location.
    Ms. Crockett [continuing]. Which means----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Per location----
    Ms. Crockett. Chairman, I am going to ask that you stop my 
time because the witness is not----
    Chairman Comer. Are you asking him a question or are you 
reclaiming your time?
    Ms. Crockett. No, I am not asking him a question. I reclaim 
my time.
    Chairman Comer. All right. The Chair recognizes Ms. 
Crockett.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. I was at 41, you all, so go back up.
    Chairman Comer. I will give you 9 more seconds.
    Ms. Crockett. OK. Thank you so much. Here is the deal. You 
have testified a lot about the problem with the broadband 
rollout being diversity, equity, and inclusion. You said 
``DEI'' I do not know how many times, which is one of the 
issues that Project 2025 takes issue with. But it is 
interesting to me because I have another article from the Texas 
Tribune, and it actually specifically states that, ``Internet 
providers say they are simultaneously hopeful and skeptical 
about whether the incoming Federal dollars will be enough to 
connect the most underserved Texans. Historically, other 
Federal rural broadband funding programs have seen limited 
success because many companies who committed to providing 
broadband went into default after radically underestimating 
their cost.'' It does not say anything about diversity. And the 
final thing that I will say----
    Mr. Carr. Do you know why those costs have increased----
    Ms. Crockett [continuing]. Is that this election----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Substantially?
    Ms. Crockett. I did not ask you a question. The final thing 
that I will say is that this election is the best example of 
why you all are so afraid of diversity, equity, and inclusion 
because then you cannot have a simple-minded, underqualified, 
White man somehow end up ascending. Instead, you have got to 
pay attention to the qualified Black woman that is on the other 
side, and with that, I will yield.
    Chairman Comer. The gentlelady yields. The Chair now 
recognizes Mr. Perry from Pennsylvania.
    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Mobbs, you served 
in uniform, didn't you, as I recall?
    Dr. Mobbs. That is correct.
    Mr. Perry. Yes. Thank you for your service. So, I think you 
know or are aware that in the last few years, the U.S. 
military, across all branches, have had a struggle in 
recruiting and meeting their goals, and in an answer to that, 
this Administration has revised the targets or the goals 
downward. Is that not correct?
    Dr. Mobbs. That is correct.
    Mr. Perry. And I think we are on the precipice of being at 
the lowest point in the Army, which is where I served--and 
thank you for your service, ma'am--of being at Army recruiting 
levels or sustainment levels that are akin to pre-World War II, 
1939 and 1940, right?
    Dr. Mobbs. That is correct. Yes.
    Mr. Perry. You served, I served, but I think it is better 
you are the witness here. Why do you suppose that is? Why is 
the military having a difficult time recruiting?
    Mr. Perry. Well, thank you for your service, sir. I 
appreciate it as well. I think this is for a variety of 
reasons, and I actually testified on this very topic before a 
subcommittee here. It is for a variety of reasons, but one of 
the major reasons that is often cited is there are morale 
issues. There are both morale with recruitment, but there are 
also issues with retention. But then, broadly speaking, the 
American populace is not necessarily prepared to serve, and 
this is across a variety of different factors to include their 
mental health, their physical well-being, and then their 
patriotism. The Wall Street Journal did a fantastic poll that 
showed patriotism is significantly declining over time in our 
country, and because of that, young Americans do not 
necessarily feel like they are willing to put on a uniform to 
fight and die for our country.
    Mr. Perry. Are there any actions that the military itself 
is taking from a policy standpoint that you think might 
dissuade, and I say that because we are trying to look at the 
differences between two administrations or the different 
philosophies among administrations. And I appreciate the 
gentlelady that was just speaking, but the hearing is kind of 
about some of the failures, so we can do better. I do not know 
that she really defended any of the policies of the current 
Administration as much as she derided the potential policies of 
a future administration, which does not yet exist, but if you 
know of any.
    Dr. Mobbs. Well, I think, in general, that this 
Administration has more focused on initiatives related to 
diversity, equity, inclusion, and I think the problem with that 
is it derivates from the core function of our military, which 
is lethality. Ultimately, the responsibility of the military is 
to fight and win our Nation's wars, and that requires the 
necessity of unification regardless of your background, walk of 
life, your demographics. There has to be a belief in both the 
unit that you are serving in and that the broader apparatus has 
that unifying factor together. I think, unfortunately, this 
Administration has focused a little bit more exclusively than 
the previous Administration on doing things that highlight 
individuality, and the one place you cannot have individuality 
is our United States military.
    Mr. Perry. And would you agree with me that the uniform 
military service, if you break that down, uniform is one form, 
not many forms, but it is one form, and as you so stated, the 
policies of the current Administration celebrate the 
individual, which is great for certain walks of life. But in 
the military, in the uniform military services, you must put 
some of those personal things aside so that you can be one 
cohesive unit, and not doing so is an impediment to recruiting 
and retention.
    Dr. Mobbs. Absolutely. And I think the military, for a long 
period of time, often remained one of the last bastions of 
meritocracy. There was the opportunity to compete. And if you 
were successful, irrespective of your background, your 
demographic, if you were the best, then you were promoted and 
you were put into positions of greater leadership and power, 
and that is something extraordinarily beautiful. It is a 
pathway to the middle class. It is an opportunity from those 
all around our country to serve in uniform, and it allowed them 
to achieve things that they may not have been able to achieve 
otherwise without the military.
    Unfortunately, some of those standards have been reduced, 
and when there is a focus instead of not on a meritocracy or 
achievement, but rather meeting quota systems, you, 
unfortunately, have an erosion of the belief that the military 
is that bastion of meritocracy where you can go in, and if you 
are the best, you will be promoted.
    Mr. Perry. Thank you. I would agree with that. I yield the 
balance.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. The Chairman yields back, 
gentleman. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Garcia.
    Mr. Garcia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to our 
witnesses. We have been talking a lot about the Biden-Harris 
record. It is, I think, important to note that we are doing 
this hearing likely because the debate was such a disaster for 
Donald Trump and for the House Majority. Now, I was actually 
there in Philly. It was embarrassing to watch. Donald Trump 
admitted, of course, to terminating Roe v. Wade. He attacked 
reproductive freedoms. He wants to kill the Affordable Care Act 
and spread misinformation about immigrants eating cats and 
dogs. And I just also want to remind folks that we have been 
talking a lot about Project 2025, of which many of our 
witnesses know a lot about and which Donald Trump said contains 
many good ideas, but it is not just Project 2025. Donald Trump 
has already been the President, and I thought it was also 
important at this moment to review his record.
    Let us start with some of the facts about Donald Trump. 
Donald Trump, first and foremost, had the worst jobs presidency 
since World War II and maybe American history, the worst jobs 
record since World War II and maybe American history. He lost 
4.9 million American jobs. He added $4.8 trillion to the debt, 
even without the COVID-related spending. Now cities and 
communities like mine were facing disaster. State and local 
governments were looking at service cuts. Schools, vital 
programs were all being looked at being cut. By contrast, when 
we are talking about the Biden-Harris record, 15.4 million jobs 
were added during the Biden-Harris Administration, and the 
Project 2025 agenda, we know, will raise a sales tax on 
everything we buy, and economists think it will cost the 
American family an average of $1,700 per year and would cost 
600,000 American jobs, and could even cause a recession.
    But it is not just the economic destruction. Let us talk 
about his COVID mismanagement. We lost 1.3 million American 
lives, a disaster, under Donald Trump. He asked people that we 
could combat the virus by injecting disinfectant into peoples' 
bodies. He failed to get PPE out the door. He picked fights 
with Governors rather than uniting the country. We were on our 
own, and Donald Trump should own his failures with the 
pandemic.
    But let us look at the rest of the Trump record. He 
destroyed Roe v. Wade, as a third thing on this bullet point. 
He brags about the extremist Supreme Court and turning back Roe 
v. Wade. Just this week, ProPublica documented a heartbreaking 
case where a Georgia woman waited for 20 hours after doctors 
refused to perform a routine procedure. She passed away. Her 
death was preventable. But Donald Trump is putting these state 
abortion bans in place through his judges and the legislatures 
all across the country.
    But let us talk about family separation because it does not 
just end there. His record attacking immigrants like myself and 
my family is also shameful. He is promising the most extreme 
mass deportations in the country, going door to door to arrest 
our neighbors and friends. He believes that immigrants poison 
the blood of his country, his quote, not mine. And of course, 
let us remember at the debate, he kept talking about somehow 
Haitian immigrants are eating pets in Ohio, and we know that is 
not true. This country and the world should be united against 
this type of rhetoric and this record. We all want a secure 
border, but Donald Trump has shown us time and time again, 
through his record and his future agenda, the Project 2025 
agenda, that he has zero respect for immigrants and for the 
Latino community.
    But I want to also end with January 6. Donald Trump 
betrayed his oath of office when he provoked an attack on this 
Capitol and an insurrection on January 6. Project 2025 shows 
how he will continue to threaten our institutions and our 
democracy. The Trump Administration was a disaster, and you do 
not need to take my word for it. Why we are talking about the 
Biden-Harris record when it fixed the COVID crisis, when jobs 
are up, when unemployment is down, and not focus on the 
destruction of Donald Trump is clearly because this is, again, 
another political Committee hearing.
    And let us look at what others have said. Vice President 
Mike Pence; former Attorney General, Bill Barr; former Defense 
Secretary, Jim Mattis and Mark Esper; former national security 
advisor, H.R. McMaster and John Bolton; former Chief of Staff, 
John Kelly, all of these folks believe that Donald Trump is 
unfit to serve as President, that he has failed his country and 
the Constitution. We cannot go back. With that, I yield back.
    Mr. Raskin. Would the gentleman yield?
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back.
    Mr. Garcia. The gentleman yields, sir.
    Mr. Raskin. I was asking for the time. Is that OK? Thank 
you. But I just wonder on that point whether any of the 
witnesses would comment on this unprecedented defection of 
former Trump officials from supporting him, and anybody, you 
know, who is on the Project 2025 side wants to weigh in on 
that, or, Ms. Perryman, what do you say about Vice President 
Pence and these former cabinet officials who have abandoned 
Donald Trump. Any comments on that?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes. I think President Trump has spoken 
explicitly about the majority of these people were either 
running against him, in the case of Vice President Pence, or 
they lost their job because Vice President----
    Mr. Raskin. Well, Pence was not running against him----
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Mr. Raskin. The mob came in chanting, ``Hang Mike Pence.'' 
He was planning----
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman----
    Mr. Raskin. He ran with Donald Trump.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Many of the people who Mr. Garcia 
referenced are people who were let go because they failed to 
fulfill the vision that President Trump had painted for the 
American people----
    Mr. Raskin. So, I see. There is nothing wrong with what 
Donald Trump did. You are blaming it on these people.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time has expired.
    Ms. Gunasekara. I am just saying there was----
    Chairman Comer. Before I recognize----
    Mr. Raskin. Yes.
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Ms. Mace. Yes, before I----
    Ms. Gunasekara [continuing]. Why he fired employees.
    Chairman Comer. Yes. Before I recognize Ms. Mace who is 
next, Ms. Greene, do you have something to enter into the 
record?
    Ms. Greene. Yes. Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter into 
the record an article from Newsweek that tells the truth about 
Amber Nicole Thurman, who died after taking abortion pills. She 
did not die for the lack of abortion. She died because of 
abortion. Abortion pills are what led to her death, and this 
has been a lie that has been told by the Vice President, Kamala 
Harris, and this is a lie being told by Democrats. This Georgia 
woman died from abortion pills, so thank you. I would like to 
enter that on the record.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, enter the Newsweek 
article. Without objection, so ordered.
    Chairman Comer. I am sorry. Mace. The Chair recognizes the 
gentlelady from South Carolina, Ms. Mace.
    Ms. Mace. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My colleagues across the 
aisle said that those that cannot pronounce Kamala's name 
correctly are elementary-aged children. I would like to enter 
into the record an article by Newsweek saying, ``Bill Clinton 
Pronounces Kamala Harris' Name Wrong During DNC Speech.'' Bill 
Clinton, along with Al Sharpton, rapper Lil Jon, let us not 
forget that Joe Biden cannot say her name right, neither can 
Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. And this morning on 
Morning Joe, Joan Baez called her a camel, so I do not want to 
hear it. It is fake outrage.
    I would like to also enter into the record a screenshot of 
a text message I received from the esteemed professor from 
Vanderbilt, Michael Eric Dyson, after my CNN interview, begged 
me for photos. In this text, he says, after calling me a racist 
on CNN, ``Shh, don't tell anybody we look good together,'' and 
sent me a kissy emoji.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Ms. Mace. And this guy says I am gorgeous and all these 
photos. I do not think he is that bent out of shape on how 
anyone pronounces Kamala. And if we are going to have that 
standard, you got to hold it to both sides, not just one or the 
other.
    On to the issue at hand, I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, 
for our witnesses being here today. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 
have presided over the worst Presidential administration in 
American history. Biden and Kamala Harris inherited a country 
with a strong economy and next to zero inflation. Under the 
Biden-Harris Administration, inflation skyrocketed, wages 
stagnated, and the American families are struggling to make 
ends meet, as we are all well aware of today.
    Biden and Kamala inherited a world at peace and turned it 
into a world at war. Our allies are under attack, our 
adversaries emboldened, and America embarrassed on the world 
stage. In fact, even being forced to evacuate seven embassies 
during this Administration. Biden and Kamala inherited a 
country with the most secure border in our Nation's history. 
They flung our borders wide open to the largest invasion of 
illegal aliens our country has ever seen. The illegal aliens 
Biden and Kamala have let into our country have gone on to rape 
and murder American citizens, including our women and girls, 
including 158 Democrats who voted against deporting illegals 
who are here murdering, raping, and who are also pedophiles, 
harming our women and girls. Biden and Kamala cannot even tell 
us the difference between a woman and a mentally ill man in a 
dress.
    Of all Joe and Kamala's many failings, I would like to 
focus my 5 minutes today on immigration. I am down to about 2, 
so we will be quick. During her failed 2020 Presidential 
campaign, well before her coup against Joe Biden, Kamala Harris 
completed an ACLU candidate questionnaire outlining her policy 
positions. I would like to examine a few of her responses and 
how they have informed her work as border czar, since she says 
her values have not changed.
    Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter into the record this 
questionnaire, ``ACLU Rights for All Candidate Questionnaire 
2019, Kamala Harris.''
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Ms. Mace. Thank you. One of the strangest responses from 
Kamala in the questionnaire was when she indicated she 
supported providing taxpayer funded so-called gender-affirming 
care for illegal aliens and immigration detention, which we all 
know is taxpayer funded cutting off of their private parts. So, 
Mr. Krikorian, is this occurring under this Administration and 
what are the serious safety consequences it may pose?
    Mr. Krikorian. Well, I mean, the safety consequences of the 
procedures themselves, I am not qualified to talk about, but 
clearly it serves as yet one more incentive for people to 
illegally immigrate into the United States, in this case, 
people seeking a particular kind of medical procedures.
    Ms. Mace. In the questionnaire, Kamala pledges to slash 
funding for ICE, cut immigration detention by more than 50 
percent, and even expressed support for ending immigration 
detention. Have Biden-Harris Presidential budget requests 
reflected Kamala's desire to cut ICE funding----
    Mr. Krikorian. Oh, absolutely.
    Ms. Mace [continuing]. And immigration detention?
    Mr. Krikorian. Detention funding, absolutely. It is 
decreased significantly, and, in fact, it needs to be increased 
significantly because detention is the one way you are going to 
be able to deter people who want to come into the United States 
and be released. If you do not release them, the appeal of 
trying and spending all of that money is significantly less.
    Ms. Mace. She pledged to end the use of ICE detainers and 
criticized the cooperation between ICE and state and local law 
enforcement. How is this going to negatively affect our 
country?
    Mr. Krikorian. It would make it extremely difficult to 
enforce immigration law because ICE is a relatively small 
agency and does not walk around the streets asking people what 
their green cards are. The main vehicle for finding illegal 
aliens, if you do not do worksite enforcement, which this 
Administration has essentially stopped, is working with state 
and local law enforcement. When they arrest people for state 
and local crimes, their fingerprints go to DHS, and they are 
flagged as somebody that they know to be an illegal immigrant.
    A detainer is the request ICE sends out to say hold on to 
this person for up to 48 hours so we can go and get them. If 
you are not using detainers, it is one of the most pro-criminal 
policies you could imagine because the only people protected by 
stopping ICE detainers or not honoring them as sanctuary cities 
do, the only people protected are criminals. So, it is a pro-
criminal policy as well as an anti-immigration enforcement in 
general policy.
    Ms. Mace. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentlelady yields back. The Chair 
recognizes Mr. Casar from Texas.
    Mr. Casar. Good morning. Mr. Krikorian, you are an advisory 
board member for Project 2025, correct? Yes or no?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. Mr. Kirkorian, in addition to being a Project 
2025 board member, you also run the Center for Immigration 
Studies. You have done that for decades, where you spread and 
disseminated writings of people like Kevin MacDonald, John 
Friend, and Jared Taylor, correct?
    Mr. Krikorian. We used to have an email service that 
distributed links to those feds.
    Mr. Casar. To their writings. That is right.
    Mr. Krikorian. And the New York Times and all kinds of 
other--across the board.
    Mr. Casar. Correct. Yes, I know that you are aware that you 
spread the writings of these three, along with others, but 
these three are egregious examples. MacDonald is the editor of 
a White nationalist journal. Your organization, as you said, 
disseminated his writings. He blamed Jewish people for the 
deaths of millions of people in the 20th century. John Friend, 
who you just said you disseminated his writings, is an infamous 
Holocaust denier. You spread his writings. Jared Taylor stated, 
and I quote this horrible quote, that ``When Black people are 
left on their own, civilization disappears.'' That is what he 
said.
    Mr. Krikorian. Not anything we said----
    Mr. Casar. You, a Project 2025----
    Mr. Krikorian. We distributed only op-eds about----
    Mr. Casar. You only distributed. Correct. I understand----
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. Immigration issues.
    Mr. Casar. I am reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman. Correct. 
You only disseminated writings----
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. Nor did you research----
    Mr. Casar [continuing]. From multiple White nationalists.
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. The backgrounds----
    Mr. Casar. I am reclaiming my time. I am going to ask you a 
question, sir. I am going to ask you the next question.
    Mr. Krikorian. [continuing]. Who wrote about immigration.
    Mr. Casar. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman. I would like 
that time back. So, you, a Project 2025 board member, you are 
stating you did not disseminate, for example, Mr. Taylor and 
Mr. MacDonald or Mr. Friend's specific quotes here, but you 
continuously disseminated these White nationalists writing. One 
time is a problem. When you do it over and over and over again, 
it is a pattern, but I will stop asking about the things that 
you and your organization disseminated. I will ask you, Mr. 
Krikorian, and I know you are a Project 2025 board member, your 
recent quote from a few years ago where you said, ``Haiti is so 
screwed up because it wasn't colonized long enough.'' Is that 
correct? Did you say that?
    Mr. Krikorian. I am happy to talk about that all you want.
    Mr. Casar. You did say it.
    Mr. Krikorian. I wrote it, yes.
    Mr. Casar. You said that?
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. Haiti was colonized as a slave plantation 
colony. The French colonized Haiti so that slaves would work on 
plantations. The end of colonization in Haiti was so that the 
people there would no longer be slaves. So, what you are 
saying, and I read your quote, and anybody watching this online 
should go read it. What you are saying is it would have been 
good if they had stayed colonized, which means that it would 
have been good if they had stayed enslaved by the French.
    Mr. Krikorian. In the long run, it is one of the facts of 
history----
    Mr. Casar. In the long run?
    Mr. Krikorian. No, excuse me----
    Mr. Casar. People should not have been enslaved a single 
day.
    Mr. Krikorian. Of course not.
    Mr. Casar. I am reclaiming my time, Chairman.
    Mr. Krikorian. And they had every right to throw the French 
out----
    Mr. Casar. What you said is that you would have wanted 
them----
    Mr. Krikorian. My point is----
    Mr. Casar. Reclaiming my time. I am talking now.
    Mr. Krikorian. They would have been freed----
    Mr. Casar. You said----
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. Thirty years later----
    Mr. Casar. You said----
    Mr. Krikorian [continuing]. And they would have been in the 
same situation.
    Mr. Casar. You are saying you wanted 30 more years of 
slavery in Haiti? Reclaiming my time.
    Mr. Krikorian. No, I did not. I did not----
    Mr. Casar. You just said it.
    Mr. Krikorian. I did not want that.
    Mr. Casar. Honestly, it adds up. You said that they would 
have benefited from the French influence. The French were the 
ones----
    Mr. Krikorian. In the long run, like the people in 
Martinique----
    Mr. Casar. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman. I would like 
my time.
    Mr. Krikorian. [continuing] Who were also enslaved----
    Mr. Casar. Please. This is my time. This is my time, Mr. 
Krikorian.
    Mr. Krikorian. They are much better off now than Haiti was.
    Mr. Casar. Honestly, this all starts to add up. This all 
starts to add up. You continue to do this, disseminate writings 
of White nationalists, try to rationalize, for example, Haiti 
being colonized for 30 more years. You are a Project 2025 board 
member. In Project 2025, I could not figure out why on page 583 
it advocates for not allowing racial disparity or gender 
disparity to be considered discrimination legally anymore. In 
Project 2025, it eliminates a 50-year-old executive order that 
prohibits discrimination in Federal jobs. On page 586, Project 
2025 advocates for Donald Trump to allow businesses to 
discriminate based on religious beliefs.
    Before today, I could not understand why Trump's Project 
2025 could advocate for ending civil rights protections. Why 
would Trump's Project 2025--I know there is crazy stuff in 
here, but I could not get why he would advocate for ending 
protections against discrimination, but now I understand. We 
have Project 2025 board members here who are the directors of 
groups that the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated as a 
hate group. We have people that are on the board that developed 
this who have said, for example, that Haitians would have been 
better off with more influence from their enslavers.
    Now, with my time remaining, which I believe should be 
added, Mr. Chairman, because I was interrupted and I reclaimed 
that time, I have questions for Ms. Gunasekara. You served as 
Chief of Staff at the EPA in the Trump Administration, correct?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. And you have worked with the Trump and his 
Administration to implement your ideas in the past, correct?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. You authored Chapter 13 of Project 2025, 
correct?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. So, you would support the ideas in Chapter 13 
being implemented by the government?
    Ms. Gunasekara. I believe they are very good ideas for the 
next EPA.
    Mr. Casar. Yes, you would support those?
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes.
    Mr. Casar. So, if Trump was President and he reached out to 
you and said he wanted to implement your chapter of Project 
2025, would you support him in implementing that chapter? Would 
you say yes?
    Chairman Comer. Time has expired, but you can answer that. 
I gave you 15 seconds.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, I do not know----
    Mr. Casar. No, they interrupted me first.
    Chairman Comer. I am the Chairman of the Committee. I 
decide. I gave you 15.
    Mr. Casar. I would like to appeal that ruling, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman Comer. Look, you got your time, and the witness, 
feel free to answer the question, and then I am going to 
recognize Mr. Fry.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes. I do not believe he would call me and 
ask to do that.
    Mr. Casar. Right, but if he did, you do want him to 
implement the----
    Ms. Gunasekara. Again, I do not believe that he would call 
and ask me to do that.
    Mr. Casar. I understand you. Do you want----
    Chairman Comer. All right. Time has expired----
    Mr. Casar. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to appeal the 
ruling----
    Chairman Comer. Next item on the agenda.
    Mr. Casar. I would like to appeal the ruling.
    Chairman Comer. No. No. No. The Chair now recognizes----
    Mr. Casar. Mr. Chairman, point of order.
    Chairman Comer. Mr. Fry----
    Mr. Casar. Isn't it within the rules for me to appeal the 
ruling of the Chair and ask for a vote?
    Chairman Comer. It is not an appealable rule. I gave you 
extra time. The Ranking Member went a minute over. I gave the 
Ranking Member 6 1/2 minutes. He took 7 1/2 minutes.
    Mr. Casar. I was interrupted.
    Mr. Raskin. Yes. I think you guys are doing OK, Mr. 
Chairman. All right. We will let it rest with that.
    Chairman Comer. All right.
    Mr. Raskin. And you will see what happens in the next 
Congress because we are going to be fastidious about the rules 
in the next Congress----
    Chairman Comer. Well, we have already read rules to----
    Mr. Raskin. We are going to show you how to do it.
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Everybody already, so that is 
good.
    Mr. Raskin. Yes.
    Chairman Comer. That is good.
    Mr. Raskin. Yup.
    Chairman Comer. All right, because the Committee is about 
waste, fraud, abuse and mismanagement. This is a hearing about 
policies----
    Mr. Raskin. And you exemplify it well, Mr. Chairman. I 
concede that.
    Chairman Comer. No, no, no. You exemplify it. This is a 
hearing about substantive policy. If you want to defend the 
policies of the current Administration, if you want to talk 
about Kamala Harris' agenda, her policy positions, please do so 
because we are not very clear what they are.
    The Chair now recognizes Mr. Fry from South Carolina.
    Mr. Fry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is actually a great 
segue. When you fail your classes in school, you do not 
graduate, right? This is a tale as old as time. For the past 4 
years, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have repeatedly failed the 
American people. So, let us look at the report card on the 
border, fail; unleashing American energy, failing again; 
growing our economy, fail again; support American values, fail. 
The top leaders of the United States have consistently failed 
the American people, but it does not have to be this way.
    Let us start at the border, the first one. Under the Biden-
Harris Administration, we have seen 8.5 illegal encounters at 
our Southern border, more than 10 across the board, 1.9 million 
got-aways. Drugs are coming across our border in record 
numbers. Over 1/2 of a million pounds of meth have come across 
our border, 250,000 pounds of cocaine, 56,000 pounds of 
fentanyl, and these drugs are killing our kids every single 
day.
    On the first day of office, Biden and Harris issued a 
hundred executive orders to reduce our border security. They 
have gaslit the American people about the seriousness of the 
border crisis. In fact, the Ranking Member of the House 
Judiciary Committee says that we were imagining a border 
crisis. They ended the Remain in Mexico policy. They stopped 
construction of the border wall. They established unlawful 
categorical parole programs. Kamala Harris even was deemed the 
border czar, but it took her 90 days to even visit the border 
after entering office. We have seen Americans killed by illegal 
aliens. We had a hearing on that in the House Judiciary 
Committee just last week. They forced children to vacate their 
schools and remote learn to make room for migrant shelters, and 
they have let terrorists in record numbers into the interior of 
this country.
    Next, let us talk about energy. On day one, they shut down 
construction of the Keystone XL pipeline that eliminated 10,000 
good-paying jobs. On day one, the U.S. rejoined the Paris 
Climate Agreement without any consultation at all from 
Congress. They have banned LNG exports, pushing Europe further 
into the arms of Russia. They tried to ban gas stoves. Their 
policies have led to skyrocketing gas prices under this 
Administration. They have drained the Strategic Petroleum 
Reserve, arguably for political reasons. They insert climate 
change into every policy, which hampers domestic production. 
They blocked domestic mineral development in the United States, 
again, further pushing the rest of the world into China in 
getting those minerals. They have restricted energy development 
on Federal land, and they have crippled our domestic energy 
production, which has harmed our national security.
    Next, on the economy. Everyone feels it. The only people 
that seem to be surprised are the ones on the other side of the 
aisle, but everyone is getting pinched. Overall, prices are up 
20 percent. Inflation has outpaced wages for 26 straight 
months. The monthly mortgage payment for a median-priced new 
home has increased by $1,038. Interest rates are over 5 
percent, the highest in over 23 years. Average weekly earnings, 
by the way, for employees have decreased in that same time, 4.5 
percent. Credit card interest rates are at the highest level 
they have been in nearly 3 decades, and over a third of 
families paid a late fee in the last year.
    Moving on to the next one, foreign policy. For starters, 
the Biden-Harris Administration withdrew from Afghanistan. I do 
not need to talk much about that given what has happened, given 
the catastrophe that happened there. That was a huge blunder. 
Unfortunately, the failures continue. The Biden-Harris 
Administration has been incredibly mixed-messaged on whether to 
stand with Israel. Vice President Harris even went so far as to 
boycott Netanyahu's congressional address in this country. 
Biden and Harris have projected weakness on the world stage. 
They have had weakness against the Iranian-backed Houthis, 
against Chinese aggression. They have handed billions of 
dollars to Iran, which has funded these terror activities in 
the Middle East.
    The U.S. Army has fallen 15,000 soldiers short of their 
recruitment goal in Fiscal Year 2022. There have been a 
complete lack of oversight for the funding of Ukraine. There 
has been grift all over the place. They allowed a Chinese spy 
balloon to traipse itself all across the country, eventually 
getting shot down in my coastal district of South Carolina. 
They allowed Cuba, a known state sponsor of terrorism, to tour 
the Miami TSA facilities. They have discharged troops for 
refusing the COVID vaccine.
    Let us talk about American values for a second. They have 
worked to insert DEI initiatives into every aspect of our 
lives. They allow males to compete in women's sports. Biden and 
Harris proclaimed Easter as the Transgender Day of Visibility. 
They have been funding abortions and travel expenses through 
the Pentagon for military personnel. They have lied to the 
American people about Biden's cognitive state. I could go on 
and on and on.
    And so, for somebody who wants a promotion to the highest 
office in the land, you first have to pass the test. In every 
which way, Kamala Harris has not passed the test. She has not 
upheld her oath of office, and she has failed the American 
people, and we should not promote her. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman yields back.
    Ms. Greene. Mr. Chairman?
    Chairman Comer. The Chair recognizes Ms. Greene.
    Ms. Greene. I would like to enter for the record a Fox News 
interview by Bret Baier with Foundation Kevin Roberts. Kevin 
Roberts stated--for the record, he also published Project 
2025--that Mr. Trump is telling the truth, confirming on Fox 
that Trump never collaborated on Project 2025 and never 
endorsed it, nor has Heritage Foundation endorsed Trump for 
President. Democrats are lying over and over and over again 
about Project 2025 and President Trump. Thank you.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, we will enter in the 
Bret Baier interview. Without objection, so ordered.
    The Chair now recognizes Ms. Lee from Pennsylvania.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to appreciate 
for a moment that this hearing my Republican colleagues have 
called is about incompetence and failure of our Federal 
Government when failure is exactly what they want to happen. 
Incompetence is their M.O., the same Congress that cannot pass 
a rules vote, cannot pass a government funding bill, coming 
after the Administration that has actually passed historic 
pieces of legislation like CHIPS and Science, and the Inflation 
Reduction Act, and the infrastructure bill, and an actually 
productive Congress.
    But when we talk about keeping the government functioning, 
let us be real. The people who are actually keeping things 
afloat are not my colleagues, thank God, and it is not even the 
President. It is our Federal work force. It is the hardworking 
career professionals across our agencies that work to improve 
our air quality and our water quality. They work to ensure that 
our medications are safe to take, that Social Security checks 
get to folks on time, and that our veterans can live with 
dignity and comfort after their service. These are regular 
folks who know how to get their job done day in and day out to 
serve the American people. There is a reason why these people 
are career professionals. There is a reason why they are not 
partisan shills. They have the right experience and knowledge 
to properly do their jobs, yet Trump and the Republican Project 
2025--whoever wrote it, whoever endorses it, it exists--wants 
to get rid of these workers and replace them with people whose 
only qualification is their loyalty and their financial support 
to Donald Trump.
    So, while I would argue that my colleagues in the Majority 
have not proven competence, dismantling our government 
agencies, it is not incompetence. It is intentional. They are 
purposefully creating dysfunction. We have seen this in action 
as money pours into our elections, as our Supreme Court 
justices are wined and dined and then giving increasingly 
radical rulings. And now, with their plan to gut these Federal 
agencies and fill them with partisan hacks, they are purposely 
shifting the balance of power to one man, Donald Trump, the 
same man who promised to be a dictator on day one. His words.
    So, Ms. Perryman, when we talk about replacing these career 
Federal workers with Trump loyalists, who is actually 
benefiting? And if it is not the American people, then who do 
we see gaining the most from these policies?
    Ms. Perryman. I am glad that you have raised this, 
especially in this Committee where there has been a lot of 
conversation about waste, fraud, and abuse, because what we 
know is that when governments function without career civil 
service, when governments function with high levels of 
appointees that have to be loyal to a particular ideology as 
opposed to our Constitution and to the American people, they 
are actually less efficient and more prone to corruption and 
waste, fraud, and abuse. So, I think that the American people 
are the ones that lose out from Schedule F policies. And I 
think on, you know, the question of the Biden-Harris record, we 
do know that this is an Administration that has promulgated a 
final rule in order to help protect our civil service.
    Ms. Lee. Thank you. So, while we are on the topic of 
loyalists, I would like to talk about one of the Republican 
witnesses, Ms. Gunasekara. She is the author of Project 2025's 
EPA chapter. She was also a top official at the EPA during the 
Trump Administration, and word on the streets is that she might 
head the Agency during a future Trump term, and what is her 
vision for the EPA? She wants to dismantle it, and so that the 
EPA goes easy on corporate polluters. She wants to make our air 
and our water less safe. She wants to place fewer regulations 
on greenhouse gases, endangering public health and driving 
climate change. She had also called the threats of climate 
change ``overstated.'' She laid out all of this in her chapter 
for Project 2025. It is on page 417. Ms. Perryman, what damage 
can be done if these harmful policies are unleashed at the EPA?
    Ms. Perryman. We know that it will make Americans less 
safe. It will make our world less safe. But we also know, and 
there was a Scientific American article recently about this 
that we can submit to the Committee, that there are scientists 
in the U.S. Government today that are dusting off their 
resumes, that are already concerned about being purged for 
their loyalty to facts and evidence and to the American people. 
And so, I think this presents more than just a single policy 
concern, but really, a broader overall problem for the American 
people and for the safety of our world.
    Ms. Lee. So, let us be clear. This whole plan is another 
attempt to buy out our democracy. That is why Big Oil met with 
Trump at Mar-a-Lago. These corporations want less regulation. 
They want less government oversight. Dismantling our Federal 
work force makes that easier. These huge corporations pour 
money into our elections, and they lavish our Supreme Court 
justices with gifts, and now they want to buy out our Federal 
agencies. Our Federal Government has jobs to do and the 
American people to serve. They cannot do that if they are 
staffed with partisan hacks. And that, I would argue, is the 
true incompetence and danger that we are facing, not the 
incompetence of actually getting things done. Thank you so 
much, and I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentlelady yields back. The Chair 
recognizes Mr. Burlison from Missouri.
    Mr. Burlison. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, you said 
that we should stick to the facts, so here are the facts. It is 
a fact that since the Biden-Harris Administration took office, 
there have been over 8 1/2 million illegal immigrants cross 
into the United States through the Southern border. That is a 
fact. It is also a fact that that population is greater than 
the population of 37 states. Almost 7 million have been 
released into the United States. It is also a fact that 
fentanyl is poisoning the American people. On average, in 2023, 
it killed 75,000 Americans. We are at war. They are at war with 
us.
    It is also a fact that you have violent crime occurring on 
a regular basis, and we all know the names of Laken Riley, 
Kayla Hamilton, Jocelyn Nungaray, but just last month, you had 
a Mexican national who was here illegally shoot another man in 
Alabama. You had another individual just a few weeks earlier 
kill people in a drunken driving incident. In fact, there have 
been numerous cases where people are being killed by 
individuals who are not able to drive. In one case, an illegal 
immigrant took over a semi-truck and killed people. So, these 
are all facts. You cannot ignore them. You cannot hide from 
them.
    So, Mr. Krikorian, the state of Florida claimed in Federal 
court that the Biden Administration's policies, specifically 
the policies of parole and release, imposed significant costs 
on the state in educating minor children, housing. In addition, 
you have hospital visits. Has there been any studies as to the 
financial costs? We know the human cost. Have there been 
studies for the financial costs?
    Mr. Krikorian. We have not done that. There have been 
studies on this. I do not have the numbers at hand, but it is 
often very difficult to get, especially at the state and local 
level because there is unwillingness to provide the information 
often, on the part of, for instance, school districts and 
others.
    Mr. Burlison. But they do----
    Mr. Krikorian. They do.
    Mr. Burlison [continuing]. Put a strain on the community 
resources.
    Mr. Krikorian. Enormous cost. Enormous cost in--for, like 
you said, for schools, healthcare, law enforcement, et cetera.
    Mr. Burlison. We know that, in addition, they have 
increased costs in incarceration because they are committing 
crimes, sometimes violent crimes. What about other public 
services or law enforcement?
    Mr. Krikorian. Well, law enforcement, especially, obviously 
it creates extra work for law enforcement. And I would just 
like to add because there will be an objection, that a lot of 
these people are, in fact, paying taxes. All illegal 
immigrants, everybody pays taxes, but the question is what is 
the balance? In other words, are the expenses on the services 
provided, more than the taxes received? And the answer is, 
especially for those who are here illegally and with less 
education, the answer is yes. There is simply no question that 
the Federal taxpayer is, at the end of the day, on the hook.
    Mr. Burlison. It is also a fact that the House passed H.R. 
2, a solution to this. The Senate had a response. Instead of 
actually correcting this, and fixing this problem and passing 
H.R. 2, they devised the Senate bill. What were your thoughts 
on the Senate bill?
    Mr. Krikorian. It would have made things worse. It was not 
a kind of thing where the House and the Senate bills could have 
split a difference. I mean, that happens. You all have dealt 
with that. That is inevitable in any kind of compromise. But 
the Senate bill was inherently problematic because it would 
have codified unlawful Administration policies that lead to the 
release into the United States of illegal immigrants.
    Mr. Burlison. Right. It would have actually even handcuffed 
a future President who wants to do the right thing from 
actually closing down the border.
    Mr. Krikorian. Right. That provision, that trigger that 
would have triggered an emergency ability to shut down the 
border would have expired, basically, I think, you know, in the 
middle of a new Trump Administration. I think that was the 
thinking when the way they put it together.
    Mr. Burlison. And, you know, Kamala Harris has said that 
she supports now a border wall, but what has been the track 
record?
    Mr. Krikorian. Has she said that?
    Mr. Burlison. What is the track record? I mean, the Biden-
Harris Administration has dismantled stretches of the border 
wall.
    Mr. Krikorian. It really struck me the most when I went to 
a section in New Mexico where there was border wall being 
built, but on Inauguration Day, President Biden said, you know, 
sort of a stop work order. Put your tools down. Step away. 
There was a gate that had been put into the fence required by 
treaty because there was a border marker on the other side, and 
there is an opening and they put in a locked gate. It is 
something they are required to do. The doorway was there, the 
gate was not. Because the Biden Administration had stopped 
construction, and so it was almost like something out of 
Blazing Saddles, you know, where there is a fence and then 
there is just this big opening in the fence, and it is because 
they stopped construction. Later, years later, the 
Administration said, OK, well, maybe we will plug some of those 
holes, but, you know, it is a day late and a dollar short.
    Mr. Burlison. After 8.5 million people came in. Thank you. 
My time is up.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time has expired. The Chair 
now recognizes Ms. Stansbury from New Mexico.
    Ms. Stansbury. All right. Well, thank you so much, Mr. 
Chairman. I want to say welcome and thank you to our witnesses 
for being here today. I respect it takes a lot to put yourself 
out there to come and testify in front of Congress. And I know 
that some of this ground has been covered before, and I really 
do appreciate the transparency that all of you have brought 
about your backgrounds, about your positions, and about your 
perspectives on the policy issues. But just to kind of put it 
all in one place, I want to quickly go through, and I am going 
to mostly state it. I will ask some questions as we go.
    Mr. Carr, I know you have said this has been asked and 
answered several times, but just, you know, going back, we know 
you are currently serving in the FTC. You have been serving 
there since 2017 since Donald Trump appointed you, and you are 
the author of the FCC chapter of Project 2025, correct? It is 
just a ``yes'' or ``no.''
    Mr. Carr. Well, sorry. Just to be clear, the----
    Ms. Stansbury. Yes, you are. Thank you. I appreciate it. 
Mr. Krikorian----
    Mr. Carr. The chapter you referenced was done in my 
personal capacity after----
    Ms. Stansbury. Yes. The answer is ``yes.''
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. Getting clearance from the FTC 
ethics.
    Ms. Stansbury. Mr. Krikorian, you are----
    Mr. Carr. I just want to be clear that it was not in my 
official capacity.
    Ms. Stansbury. Mr. Krikorian, you serve as the ED of the 
Center for Immigrant Studies. You are also on the advisory 
board of Project 2025. Your organization has been actually 
designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. 
And Dr. Hobbs [sic], thank you for your service to this 
country. I understand you are a veteran and an academic. I do 
very much respect your background and your work. You are 
involved in the Independent Women's Forum, which is also 
involved in Project 2025. You have had a number of authors and 
contributors from the Women's Forum that are participants in 
Project 2025. And Ms. Gunasekara, I know we have already 
covered this, but you are a former Chief of Staff for the Trump 
Administration at the EPA, and I think you have been very clear 
about your role in drafting the EPA section of Project 2025. 
So, I think it is very clear this hearing is actually about 
Project 2025.
    So, with that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask for 
unanimous consent to enter the entire Trump Project 2025 into 
the record so that the American people can have it at their 
disposal for reference for this hearing.
    Chairman Comer. Very good. I do not think anyone on this 
side has ever read that, but apparently you all have, so we 
will enter it into the record.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    Ms. Stansbury. Thank you so much. And again, I just 
appreciate the transparency of this particular Committee 
because last week, right after the debate, we tried to enter it 
into the record in the House Natural Resources Committee, and 
three Members on the GOP side of the aisle actually objected to 
putting it in the record. And I have to say, we were genuinely 
shocked because I have never seen an objection to a UC to put 
evidence in the record, but it was very clear in that hearing 
that the GOP was trying to distance themselves from this 
document.
    So, you know, I think it is interesting that we are here 
today. We have got the authors of the document, and I just want 
to say, welcome to the American people, to your campaign stop 
on the Donald Trump Campaign. Here we are in the Oversight 
Committee, and we have got a bunch of former Trump and current 
Trump officials. We have got authors of Project 2025, which is 
the blueprint for the next Presidential transition. And the 
last stop for the Trump Campaign was the House Floor last night 
because Donald Trump asked the House GOP leadership to put a CR 
on the Floor that they knew was not going to pass, that had a 
voter bill attached to it, and then he told everyone to vote 
against it.
    You know, we have seen over the last almost 2 years how 
leadership has used this Committee essentially as a campaign 
resource. They tried to impeach Joe Biden. They tried to impugn 
his family. And now here we are, and we are just 47 days until 
the election, and now they are trying to attack Kamala Harris 
and use the resources of this Committee and to platform future 
Trump Administration officials and their agenda, and to try to 
normalize what are, frankly, very extreme policies. And we 
heard from one of the witnesses today that, in fact, not only 
do they support dismantling our Federal Government, but would 
support doing even more damage than was done during the Trump 
Administration and even what is recommended inside of this 
book. So, you know, it is an interesting adventure here always.
    But I do want to take the remainder of my time to talk 
about, since there have been some unfounded and unfactual 
attacks on the current Administration, to say that this 
Administration has been one of the single most important 
administrations in American history in rebuilding our Nation's 
infrastructure, in tackling the climate crisis, in defending 
our rights, and making sure that our country can function after 
a historic pandemic. And I think we all look forward to the 
continued leadership under the next Administration in that way. 
So, with that, I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The gentlelady yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes the gentlelady from Georgia, Ms. Taylor Greene.
    Ms. Greene. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and welcome 
to the Oversight Committee, where we focus on waste, fraud, and 
abuse, not the campaign trail. This hearing is called ``A 
Legacy of Incompetence: Consequences of the Biden-Harris 
Administration's Policy Failures.'' Policies that do not 
deliver results for the American people, who are the taxpayers, 
are complete failures. Spending money and allocating money is 
not a policy of success. It is the outcome of the money that 
has been spent based on the policy.
    So, I would like to talk through this one that I find 
absolutely shocking, especially given that my district is a 
rural district in Georgia. This is in 2021. ``President Biden 
Taps Kamala Harris to Lead Effort to Close Digital Divide.'' 
The White House released their remarks by President Biden in an 
address to a joint session of Congress, and, ``in the process, 
it will create thousands and thousands of good-paying jobs. It 
creates jobs connecting every American with high-speed 
internet, including 35 percent of the rural America that still 
doesn't have it. This is going to help our kids and our 
businesses succeed in the 21st century economy, and I am asking 
the Vice President to lead this effort, if she would.'' The 
Vice President replied ``of course.'' The President said, 
``Because I know it will get done.''
    Now, fast forward to 2024. Here is the headlines: ``Why Has 
Joe Biden's $42 billion Broadband Program Not Connected One 
Single Household?'' Maybe it is because--this is also in the 
headlines--that ``Harris Announces Plans to Help 80 Percent of 
Africa Gain Access to the Internet, Up From 40 Percent Now.'' 
Talk about a policy failure. Talk about not delivering results 
to the American people, spending $42 billion, yet not having 
one household connected to the internet. Mr. Carr, is that 
actually true, not one home got internet?
    Mr. Carr. That is correct. In Georgia alone, there are 
about 257,000 homes and businesses that lack internet today, so 
that is potentially millions of people that were supposed to be 
connected through this program. Forty-two billion was enough 
money to actually end the digital divide in this country with 
competent implementation. Unfortunately, we have not cleared 
that hurdle. We have stories out right now that describe the 
implementation as chaotic, dysfunction, delays, no guidance, 
finger pointing, messy, delayed rollout. That is just not 
getting the job done.
    Ms. Greene. That is right, Mr. Carr, and many of those 
homes and businesses are actually in my district, and they are 
outraged. You know, we are over $35 trillion in debt. The 
Biden-Harris Administration has been in charge for nearly 4 
years, but not one home or business has gotten internet. It is 
outrageous. This is so concerning to me. How can the woman, 
Kamala Harris, that is telling the country right now she wants 
to be President of the United States actually ask for this job 
if she has not been able to deliver what the President assigned 
her to do, which was to take that $42 billion and provide 
internet to the American people? I find that hard to believe 
because I own a construction company, and when we get hired to 
do a job, guess what? We deliver it.
    Let me ask you a question. Under the Trump Administration, 
in 2020, the FCC awarded Starlink $885 million to serve 642,925 
homes and businesses that lacked internet. What happened to 
that program?
    Mr. Carr. Well, last year, after President Biden went to 
the White House podium and said that Elon Musk is worth being 
looked into, the FCC abruptly reversed course and yanked back 
that award. And now, in other programs, the ones that are 
actually connecting people under this Administration, we are 
spending dollars on the pennies. Senator Cruz recently had a 
report showing that in some cases, we are spending $100,000 per 
home for broadband when with that Starlink deal, it was $1,300. 
I do not think there is any way to explain the FCC's decision 
other than to go back to Joe Biden giving the green light to 
agencies to go after him.
    Ms. Greene. So, what has happened in the process of $42 
billion being allocated for Americans to get internet? Why 
cannot Kamala Harris deliver those results?
    Mr. Carr. Look, after 1,039 days and no Americans being 
connected, what they have been doing so far is advancing a wish 
list of progressive policy goals. They have been pushing for 
DEI requirements, climate change agenda, preferences for 
government-run networks, rather than just focusing on getting 
people connected.
    Ms. Greene. You know, thank you very much, Mr. Carr. That 
is exactly what the American people are so fed up with, is so-
called policies that actually never deliver results for the 
American people. I yield, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. The gentlelady yields. The Chair 
recognizes Mr. Moskowitz. Do you----
    Mr. Raskin. Just unanimous consent, if it is OK.
    Chairman Comer. That is fine.
    Mr. Raskin. This is from Governor Youngkin in Virginia. 
``Governor Glenn Youngkin Celebrates Approval of Virginia 
Broadband Proposal. Approval provides access to Virginia's 1.48 
billion BEAD Allocation;'' and then another from the Governor 
of West Virginia: ``West Virginia Secures $1.2 billion in 
Broadband Funding. Among First States in the Country Allowed to 
Request BEAD Funds.'' All of this, of course, just started in 
the summer, which is what that is all about. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair recognizes Ms. Moskowitz.
    Mr. Moskowitz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Man, I love our 
Chairman. I mean, people have called the Chairman many things, 
different adjectives over the last 2 years, but I admire his 
courage. I mean, literally, as Donald Trump is running away 
from Project 2025, trying to put as much distance between him 
and Project 2025 because the American people know it is toxic, 
but not our Chairman. No, no. The Chairman, with all of his 
wisdom, he features Project 2025 in the hearing, one of our 
last hearings right before the election. I mean, if the Trump 
campaign is listening, here you go, Project 2025, any hearing, 
I am sure they are real happy about that.
    But, you know, Project 2025 wants to get rid of NOAA, wants 
to get rid of the National Weather Service, you know, the 
people that tell you the weather and help us prepare for 
hurricanes. So, I say that as a former Director of Emergency 
Management for the state of Florida, for a Republican Governor, 
actually, who responded to hurricanes. You know, maybe if once 
we get rid of it, if Project 2025 were to succeed, if Trump 
were to win, maybe we will just do it with a magic eight-ball, 
or maybe with a Ouija board, or maybe we will do hurricane 
cones like President Trump did, right, where he just, you know, 
circled in another state that was not in the cone.
    So, maybe what we will do, is we will do hurricane 
predictions, like maybe it will go to Mississippi, maybe it 
will go to North Carolina, or maybe it will go to all three. 
Oh, look, I made a smiley face. Maybe that is how we will do 
the weather. You know, I could see it right now, right? Trump 
would come out and say it is going to be raining cats and dogs 
today. Please do not eat them. OK.
    But you know, the name of this Committee today is Failures 
and Incompetencies, so let us talk about the big knish, right: 
the Chairman's failed impeachment. Let us remember, we 
misplaced an informant over a year ago. Could not find him. Did 
not know where he went. Another informant was indicted for 
providing false information that came from Russian 
intelligence. We used a second informant who turned out to be 
an indicted Chinese foreign agent. And to top it off, the 
Chairman was like, who could we find to make it even better? 
Maybe we can get someone to testify from prison, which actually 
we did here on Zoom.
    Here is the Chairman's 300-page book report on impeachment. 
He said in his release, ``It is the strongest case for 
impeachment of a sitting President the House of Representatives 
has ever investigated.'' Wow, that sounds pretty serious. So, I 
want the Chairman to show the American people that we did not 
just waste millions of taxpayer dollars to issue this book 
report. Mr. Chairman, the Speaker is watching. You could call 
for impeachment right now, right? We got a little bit of time 
left before the election. I mean, you know, just ask the 
Speaker. You could ask the Speaker right now, or talk to him, 
like when are we going to schedule an impeachment? Or is this 
just concepts of impeachment? Right? No? OK.
    Well, I mean, here is the thing. I think that the Chairman 
titled this--and I love the title of today's hearing, right--
``A Legacy of Incompetence: Consequences of the Biden-Harris 
Administration Policy Failures.'' I made a couple of edits to 
the title of today. So, the title, I think, really is ``A 
Legacy of Incompetence: Consequences of the Comer 
Chairmanship,'' OK, because all we have had in this Committee 
for 2 years is failure: failed impeachment, failure on this gas 
stove nonsense, failure on all the Chinese COVID stuff. They 
did nothing with that COVID committee. It is all failure. The 
whole House, the whole 118th Congress is failure.
    They removed the Speaker, right? Then they tried to remove 
a second Speaker, right? That is really great for the American 
people, right? Then they impeach the Cabinet Secretary. That 
had not happened in 150 years. They have had multiple CRs fail, 
right? They cannot even keep the government open without both 
Speakers crawling to the Democrats to be the adults in the room 
to keep government opening. So, I mean, literally, if we are 
going to talk about failures and incompetencies, we should just 
look at what we have done here over the last 2 years.
    And I want to end with this. I mean, literally 2 weeks ago, 
right, all we heard was about what the Haitian people were 
doing in Springfield, but no, the Chairman wanted to top that. 
He literally brought a witness who proffered in this Committee 
that the Haitian people would have been better off had they 
stayed in slavery for several more decades. Mr. Chairman, I 
want to spare you the embarrassment. You should strike his 
words from the record. No, you stand by his comment that the 
Haitian people would have been better off in slavery for 30 
more years, or should we strike that from the record? I just 
want to spare you that embarrassment. OK. So, the Chair----
    Chairman Comer. All right. Your time has expired. Before I 
recognize Mr. Timmons, I would love to be a fly on the wall 
when you find out that Joe Biden dropped out of the 
Presidential election and his son pled guilty for corruption.
    Mr. Moskowitz. Why didn't you impeach him?
    Chairman Comer. The Chair now recognizes----
    Mr. Moskowitz. Wait. Wait. Why didn't you impeach him, Mr. 
Chairman?
    Chairman Comer. Your time is expired.
    Mr. Moskowitz. Where is the impeachment vote?
    Mr. Timmons. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Moskowitz. Mr. Speaker, when is the impeachment vote?
    Mr. Timmons. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Moskowitz. I mean, we have a 300-page book report, tens 
of millions of dollars----
    Chairman Comer. The Chair recognizes Mr. Timmons from South 
Carolina.
    Mr. Moskowitz [continuing]. And a failed impeachment.
    Mr. Timmons. Mr. Chairman, I will begin by pointing out 
that Hunter Biden is going to be sentenced on December 16----
    Mr. Moskowitz. Hunter Biden is not the President.
    Mr. Timmons [continuing]. And I bet you money he is going 
to----
    Chairman Comer. Dude, you need to take your medication and 
leave. The Chair recognizes Mr. Timmons.
    Mr. Moskowitz. Mr. Chairman, you are several decades older 
than me. We know who is taking more medication.
    Mr. Timmons. All right. Hunter Biden is going to plead 
guilty on December 16, and President Biden will pardon him 
probably days after, so just write that down.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the witnesses for 
being here today. We are here to examine the numerous failures 
of the Biden-Harris Administration that had led to chaos for 
the American people. My constituents in the upstate of South 
Carolina feel deceived by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' reckless 
spending and policy positions that are dreamed up by woke Ivy 
League professors who have no common sense or real-world 
experience. These policies have led to record inflation, an 
unprecedented influx of illegal immigrants, and a drastic 
decrease in our standing in the global community. Many 
Americans have lost their trust in the government, and they do 
not believe it is working for them, and why should the American 
people trust this Administration? They have flip-flopped around 
on policy when it best serves their interests because they know 
that what they are doing is wrong, and they are hurting the 
American people. They have deceived us from the start and 
cannot be trusted to lead our country for another 4 years.
    So, let us start with immigration first. In 2020, the Vice 
President ran on decriminalizing illegal border crossings and 
even endorsed the redirection of funds from ICE to our law 
enforcement agencies. On day one of this Administration, 
President Biden ordered a stop to the construction of the 
border wall, the end of the successful Remain in Mexico policy, 
and gave exemption status to millions of illegal immigrants 
already here with a hundred-day deportation moratorium.
    As a result, Border Czar Harris' overwhelmed Southern 
border is responsible for the No. 1 cause of death for 
Americans between the ages of 18 and 45, fentanyl overdoses, 
which kills hundreds of people every day. Crime has skyrocketed 
in cities across the country, and our law enforcement officers 
have not received adequate assistance from our leaders. Now 
Vice President Harris says she will fund thousands of new 
border agents and continue funding the construction of a border 
wall, the wall that she has previously opposed dozens of times.
    Mr. Krikorian, can officials from this Administration be 
trusted to follow through on the VP's promises to finally 
support law enforcement and finish the border wall when they 
have done the exact opposite for their entire tenure?
    Mr. Krikorian. Well, in investment they say past 
performance is no guarantee of future results, but I think in 
politics, how can you avoid it? I mean, there is no way to read 
the future except by looking at what they have said and done. 
And so no, I do not think it could be----
    Mr. Timmons. Well, she will not answer interviewers 
whatsoever, and it really is sad that she is running from 
everything that she is done and she is taking the exact 
opposite position on every major issue.
    Let us talk about instability abroad. In 2020, Joe Biden 
ran for President on a promise to ``restore America's alliances 
and leadership abroad.'' These past 4 years have been a 
showcase of the exact opposite. Our allies no longer trust us, 
and our enemies no longer fear us. The Biden-Harris 
Administration's foreign policies have given our enemies the 
green light to attack in Israel and Ukraine without the fear of 
retaliation. The catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan 
resulted in the tragic loss of American lives and gave 
terrorist organizations direct access to our most advanced 
military equipment. Finally, China is constantly overstepping 
in the South China Sea and worldwide because they no longer see 
America as a dominant leader on the world stage. Now Vice 
President Harris promises to find a peaceful solution to 
international conflicts and continue on the foreign policy 
track of her current Administration.
    Ms. Mobbs, can our Nation, or the world for that matter, 
withstand another 4 years of this same foreign policy without 
devastating outcomes for the global community?
    Dr. Mobbs. No, it cannot, and while we are talking about 
facts I want to address, I am Dr. Mobbs, not Dr. Hobbs, and I 
appreciate the opportunity to also set the record straight on a 
couple of different things, as this is critical to talk about 
oversight. In particular, if you are talking about Ukraine, for 
example, there have been substantial issues with oversight that 
I think that we need to address.
    Now congressional Republicans should be very proud of the 
fact that it has been their leadership that allowed 39 
oversight provisions to enter into any of the supplementals. 
However, to your point, Congressman, there has been a refusal 
to give the weapons that they need. They have done onerous 
restrictions on that which the continuation of Obama policy, 
will be continuation of Biden policy, and, therefore, 
continuation of Harris policy. They also failed to deliver an 
unclassified version of the strategy to Congress. It was 
already months late, and, therefore, there is no transparency 
to the American people.
    Mr. Timmons. Thank you for that. Thank you. I got one more 
issue I got to address, and I will just say this. When Trump 
wins in November, Russia will be out of Ukraine and all the 
hostages will be released, probably before he is actually sworn 
in.
    Last but certainly not least, inflation. Back in 2021, 
President Biden told the American people inflation would be 
only temporary. Then Treasury Secretary Yellen claimed 
inflation was transitory. Outrageously, in 2022, Biden casts 
the blame on Russian aggression in Ukraine for rising prices. 
Listen, the people of my district are suffering because 
inflation is the highest it has been in my lifetime. Interest 
rates are through the roof, and that is hitting them in the 
grocery store, at the gas pump. And look, they are just worse 
off than they were 4 years ago. It is as simple as that, and I 
think that is what is on the ballot in November. And Mr. 
Chairman, I appreciate you having this hearing, and with that, 
I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you. The gentleman yields back. The 
Chair now recognizes Ms. Pressley from Massachusetts.
    Ms. Pressley. Thank you. You know, this would all be funny 
if it was not so devastating at a time when the leader of the 
Republican Party is trying to claim that he has no connection 
whatsoever to Project 2025, an outright lie, another lie, like 
the one that he spews daily about Haitian Americans in 
Springfield, Ohio. Again, the leader of the Republican Party is 
trying to claim that he has no connection whatsoever to Project 
2025, an outright lie. My Republican colleagues have invited 
four of the manifesto's architects to testify today. I am over 
here. In a desperate attempt to erase all of the ways that the 
American public has benefited from the Biden-Harris 
Administration, this Committee has instead spotlighted what 
Project 2025 would offer: chaos and corruption.
    However, we would be ignoring a critical component of 
Project 2025 if we did not address the fact that its creators 
have been secretly peddling a ``100-day playbook'' that 
contains executive orders and emergency actions to roll out in 
the first hours of a second Trump presidency. Instead of 
sharing this plan with the public, an indictment of your 
dangerous policy plans in and of itself, those behind Project 
2025 claim it is too controversial to release. Ms. Gunasekara, 
yes or no, as a main author of Project 2025, are you aware of 
this playbook or ``fourth pillar?'' And remember, you are under 
oath.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Yes, and it is online on the website.
    Ms. Pressley. Can you please detail what exactly it calls 
for?
    Ms. Gunasekara. I think you explained it pretty well. It is 
a plan of action so that when Republicans and conservatives 
have another chance at a next administration, there is not lost 
time, and so that there is a plan ready to go.
    Ms. Pressley. I do not know if that was specific enough. 
You are under oath. Can you please detail what exactly it calls 
for, this fourth pillar, this 180-day playbook? Please detail 
what it calls for.
    Ms. Gunasekara. Again, I would reiterate what I just said, 
that I think you summarized it quite well. It includes a plan 
of action on day one so that Republicans----
    Ms. Pressley. But you did not say anything, and that is the 
problem. What is the plan of action?
    Ms. Gunasekara. It is to institute a more conservative 
vision on things that the American people want because they are 
experiencing all of these hardships caused by the chaos and 
corruption of the Biden-Harris Administration.
    Ms. Pressley. All right. Reclaiming my time. Mr. Carr, how 
about you. Yes or no, as a main author of Project 2025, are you 
aware of this fourth pillar playbook?
    Mr. Carr. Well to be----
    Ms. Pressley. Yes or no.
    Mr. Carr. To be clear, I am here in my official capacity--
--
    Ms. Pressley. Yes or no?
    Mr. Carr. So, I do not want to have any confusion on that.
    Ms. Pressley. I am reclaiming my time. You are under oath, 
and I do not want you to filibuster. Yes or no, are you aware 
of this fourth pillar playbook?
    Mr. Carr. Just so I can be clear, that writing that I did 
was in my personal capacity after getting the----
    Ms. Pressley. Reclaiming my time. I did not ask you that. 
Are you aware of the fourth pillar playbook, and can you 
detail, as you are under oath, what exactly it calls for?
    Mr. Carr. Again, I have not seen this fourth pillar 
playbook that you are talking about. I can----
    Ms. Pressley. Moving on. Moving on.
    Mr. Carr. But I am happy to----
    Ms. Pressley. I find it hard to believe that you do not 
know----
    Mr. Carr. No, but I am happy to talk----
    Ms. Pressley [continuing]. The details of this 100----
    Mr. Carr [continuing]. I am happy to talk about----
    Ms. Pressley. Well, please.
    Mr. Carr. I am happy to talk about----
    Ms. Pressley. You are under oath, and do not waste my or 
the public's time.
    Mr. Carr. I am happy to talk about all of the policy ideas 
that I have talked about. I have talked about them in that 
context. I have talked about them otherwise.
    Ms. Pressley. I want to talk about 100-day playbook, the 
fourth pillar. Can you elucidate us to that?
    Mr. Carr. Again, my----
    Ms. Pressley. All right. I am moving on, sir. I find it 
hard to believe that you do not know details of the 100-day 
playbook, but there is one person that definitely knows: Kevin 
Roberts, the President of the Heritage Foundation. And that is 
why, as co-founder of the Stop Project 2025 Task Force, 
alongside Representative Jared Huffman and dozens of our 
colleagues, we sent a letter to Mr. Roberts requesting he 
testify before Congress and release this 180-day playbook. We 
sent this letter on August 8. The next day, he delayed his book 
launch, went into hiding.
    Kevin Roberts, what are you so afraid of? I am 
disappointed, but unsurprised, that the authors and leaders of 
Project 2025 are hiding their 180-day playbook. So today, 
Congressman Huffman and I are announcing a new, fully 
confidential tip line. Any person can visit Huffman.House.gov/
tip-line-form to submit any information you have about the 
secret playbook behind Project 2025. That goes for 
conservatives with a change of heart, workers at the Heritage 
Foundation, and our witnesses here today who will perhaps find 
more courage when the cameras are off. I yield.
    Chairman Comer. Now it is the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. 
Burchett.
    Mr. Burchett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Mobbs, is it 
fair to say that the Biden-Harris Afghanistan withdrawal was a 
complete failure?
    Dr. Mobbs. It is very fair.
    Mr. Burchett. Thank you. Thirteen U.S. service members were 
killed during that withdrawal, and one of those service members 
was my constituent, Staff Sergeant Ryan Knauss. I know his 
family well. Every time I come out of our farm, I turn left, 
and I see the sign right there, the Ryan Knauss Memorial 
Highway. Young man, he was 23 years old. Has the Biden-Harris 
Administration acknowledged the families of these victims?
    Dr. Mobbs. No, they have not.
    Mr. Burchett. What would be the reason behind not 
acknowledging them? I just cannot imagine that. I was county 
mayor, and somebody would get hurt and we would call their 
families to make sure they were OK. Just to me, it is just 
beyond belief.
    Dr. Mobbs. I agree with you.
    Mr. Burchett. All right. How many billions worth of 
military equipment were left behind during the withdrawal?
    Dr. Mobbs. Seven billion.
    Mr. Burchett. Did you say $7 billion?
    Dr. Mobbs. Seven billion.
    Mr. Burchett. Seven billion. The Taliban has also accessed 
$58 million. Fifty-eight million. It is the Taliban, U.S.-
provided funds meant for the former Afghan Government. Has the 
Biden Administration taking steps to prevent U.S. funds from 
falling into the hands of terrorist groups in the future?
    Dr. Mobbs. No, they currently have not, and that does not 
also include the $2.9 billion since August 2021 that the U.N. 
transported. And unfortunately, the U.S. remains the largest 
international donor to the United Nations, and, thereby, that 
money is eventually landing in the hands of the Taliban.
    Mr. Burchett. So that money is what?
    Dr. Mobbs. Landing in the hands of the Taliban.
    Mr. Burchett. Yes, ma'am. Close friend of mine, he was on a 
podcast with another really good buddy of mine, Shawn Ryan. 
This other friend is a former U.S. Army soldier and citizen of 
Afghanistan. He recently revealed that the U.S. continues to 
send the Taliban $40 million weekly. Are you aware of this?
    Dr. Mobbs. I am not aware of that figure exactly, but it 
would make sense, given the fact that we are transporting a 
massive amount of money through the U.N.
    Mr. Burchett. And what would that money be used for?
    Dr. Mobbs. I could not say specifically, but probably 
nothing positive.
    Mr. Burchett. Well, the fact that a single penny of 
American tax dollars has ended up in the hands of terrorists is 
a disgrace. I have a bill--of course, everybody gets here and 
promotes their bills that are going absolutely nowhere--and I 
actually have a bill, 6586, that would require the Secretary of 
State to report on countries aiding the Taliban, the amount and 
its use. It would develop a strategy to discourage countries 
from aiding the Taliban and review the eligibility for U.S. 
assistance, and it would report on direct assistance in 
Afghanistan, including recipients, payment methods, and 
measures to prevent Taliban access. Now, this bill has already 
passed the House, and it is sitting in the Senate.
    And I really urge Majority Leader Schumer--this is a 
bipartisan issue. This is just a failure of the U.S. 
Government, and apparently millions a week do not add up to a 
lot. I will tell you, in East Tennessee, dadgummit, they mean a 
lot, and people are struggling to get by right now. And when we 
are throwing millions at people that want to kill us, to me, 
is, our so-called legacy news in this country ought to hang 
their head in shame for not talking about this at all because 
this is a complete disgrace. Would you comment on that?
    Dr. Mobbs. I could not agree more, Congressman, and I think 
that the issue is not just the money that is going to the 
Taliban and Afghanistan. I think, broadly speaking, there needs 
to be more oversight and accountability of foreign aid dollars 
going to countries that hate us. I think the Senator said that 
people should be able to hate us for free. Currently, so much 
of our money is going to places like Yemen and Libya and Syria 
to be utilized allegedly for humanitarian purposes. Oftentimes, 
it is taken away and utilized for the nefarious purposes that 
you are speaking about.
    Mr. Burchett. Yes, ma'am. I totally agree with that, and I 
would urge Senator Schumer to bring this bill up for a vote, 
tack it on to some other piece of legislation that is going to 
pass. I do not see how we can look at the American taxpayer 
that is struggling so hard, especially in East Tennessee. Folks 
are, you know, you see them at the gas pump, and they do not 
fill up. They get a quarter of a tank and they go to the store, 
and you can tell they are looking through their change, making 
sure they got enough, and that is pathetic. That is pathetic, 
and as usual, the war pimps seem to be making out pretty good. 
They get on both sides of these conflicts, and eventually it is 
going to be as my daddy, old World War II Marine, told me, he 
said, ``Old men make decisions, and young men die,'' and we are 
going to get to that, so thank you. The American public, the 
people of this country deserve more. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I 
yield back.
    Chairman Comer. Thank you, gentleman. The Chair now 
recognizes----
    Mr. Raskin. Mr. Chairman, I have a unanimous consent 
request just corroborating the perspective of my friend from 
Tennessee. This is from Business Insider, ``GOP Blames Biden 
for Afghanistan Withdrawal, but Trump Brokered the Deal.'' CNN: 
``Fact Check: Trump Administration Officials Tried to Rewrite 
Their Own Afghanistan History.'' Forbes: ``Trump Denies 
Releasing 5,000 Taliban Prisoners, but His Administration 
Negotiated Their Release.'' And The Hill: ``Former Afghan 
President Ghani Agrees Trump's Deal With Taliban on U.S. 
Withdrawal was a Complete Disaster.''
    Chairman Comer. Without objection. So, ordered.
    The Chair now recognize Mr. Frost from Florida.
    Mr. Frost. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, this is the House 
Rules Manual.
    [Book]
    Mr. Frost. And at the start of Congress, the House approves 
the House Rules. Every Republican Member on this Committee 
voted yes to it. On page 640, Rule XI, Clause 4(b), it states 
that this Committee, ``may not be used for any partisan 
political campaign purpose.'' This hearing is in violation of 
the House Rules that we all voted on, including the Chair, 
including all the Republicans on the other side of the aisle. 
And all we have done in this hearing and over these hearings 
over this entire year is promote the Trump Campaign. And so, my 
question for the Chairman or for any Republican is, how can we 
allow this hearing to continue when we are in direct violation 
of the House Rules?
    Chairman Comer. It is about the Biden-Harris policies. You 
can defend them----
    Mr. Frost. That is what you say. You keep saying it is not 
about the campaign, it is not about the campaign, but Ms. 
Gunasekara, during her brief, in their opening, said ``we are 
less than 2 months away from the election. Democrats are 
working overtime to rewrite the truth of the Biden-Harris 
Admin.'' One of my colleagues put up a report card to make the 
point that Vice President Harris should not be elected. Another 
one of my colleagues literally asked the witness, ``why should 
Harris get the job?'' and you expect us to believe that this 
hearing is not about the campaign?
    This Committee functions as an extension of the Trump 
Campaign. First, we went after President Biden with a nonsense 
impeachment hearing. Then we went after his son. Now we are 
going after the Vice President because she is the nominee. And 
my question is, Mr. Chairman, are we going after Tim Walz next 
week because I hear from my staff that you are planning a 
hearing on Governor Tim Walz, even though he has been Governor 
for 5 years and his name has not been uttered in this room or 
in this Committee until something happened recently. Oh, yes. 
He became the vice Presidential nominee. Is he next?
    Chairman Comer. His son is going to jail.
    Mr. Frost. Oh, OK. OK. I am talking about Governor Tim 
Walz.
    Chairman Comer. Oh. Oh.
    Mr. Frost. Are we doing a hearing on him next week?
    Chairman Comer. I will have to check the calendar.
    Mr. Frost. You will have to check. OK.
    Chairman Comer. I will let you know.
    Mr. Frost. Well, we will see what happens next week. 
Someone whose name has not been uttered in this Committee, but 
now that he is the Democratic vice Presidential nominee, we are 
going to do a hearing on him, a complete and blatant----
    Chairman Comer. And Trump----
    Mr. Frost [continuing]. Use of official----
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. Is not President. I----
    Mr. Frost [continuing]. Resources for a political campaign 
is what this Committee has been, and anyone who has taken part 
in that should be ashamed of themselves.
    Ms. Perryman, we worked together in 2023 when I hosted an 
ad hoc hearing to spotlight different issues in the state of 
Florida.
    Mr. Chair, I ask unanimous consent to enter into the record 
the ad hoc hearing memo and testimony.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered. And we are 
not doing a hearing on Walz. I just got confirmation.
    Mr. Frost. Oh, OK. OK. For those concerned about Project 
2025, people should know that Project 2025 is Florida 2024. Ms. 
Perryman, there are policies and lawsuits that have been 
popping up all over my state and across the south--book bans, 
abortion bans, voter suppression--that are now in the Project 
2025 plan for the entire country. The architects of this plan 
want us to believe that this is some sort of organic, 
grassroots movement, but you and I know that this is really a 
small group of people. What is so dangerous about this trend 
for people in every state across America?
    Ms. Perryman. Well, Project 2025 would take away rights of 
the American people and beneficial programs that we have come 
to rely on in communities across the country. And so, I think 
that, you know, it really presents a profound threat to 
individual Americans. We have heard a lot about today about the 
plight of the middle class and the plight of workers in this 
country, and we know that it is hard for people to make ends 
meet. But Project 2025 would seek to undermine things that the 
Biden-Harris Administration have done, for instance, to qualify 
millions of American workers for overtime pay, and it would 
reduce a lot of programs that working families rely on.
    Mr. Frost. Yes, I mean, two people in the state of Florida 
are responsible for about 50 percent of the book bans across 
the entire state. That does not sound like an organic 
grassroots movement to me. Ms. Perryman, of the policies these 
extremists are testing in Florida, which ones do you see these 
same groups laying the groundwork for at the national level, 
and how are they doing this?
    Ms. Perryman. Well, certainly attacks on the freedom to 
read, attacks on public education, attacks on just very basic 
ideas and history, we see in Florida. We have also seen, of 
course, the Governor of Florida seek to establish a state 
military and to try to deploy those individuals for his 
purposes, and we see a variety of those themes in Project 2025.
    Mr. Frost. And we see happening right now with Amendment 4.
    Ms. Perryman. Absolutely.
    Mr. Frost. I do not have much time left, but I just want to 
say Trump is trying to make it out like he does not know 
anything about Project 2025, but I do not buy it for 1 second, 
not when this Committee that functions as an arm of the Trump 
campaign invites Project 2025 authors to be their credible 
witnesses to attack the Biden-Harris Administration. I yield 
back.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair recognizes Mr. Fallon from Texas.
    Mr. Fallon. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know what I want 
to focus on today? The truth. Not your truth or my truth, but 
simply the truth. That would be a novel idea. And I will not be 
talking about the big boogeyman, Project 2025, all right? How 
about this? Ms. Perryman, would you describe Kamala Harris, her 
role as the border czar, to be a success or a failure?
    Ms. Perryman. I do not agree with the premise of your 
question.
    Mr. Fallon. And what premise is that?
    Ms. Perryman. You are calling her a border czar.
    Mr. Fallon. OK. So, let us just say this. On March 24, 
2021, the quote from President Biden, ``I have asked her,''--
the Vice President--``today, because she is the most qualified 
person to do it, to lead our efforts with Mexico and the 
Northern Triangle and countries that help--are going to need 
help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the 
migration to our Southern border.'' So, whether or not you want 
to call her the border czar, the boss, the don, the grand 
poohbah----
    Ms. Perryman. Or the Vice President of the United States.
    Mr. Fallon. Or the person that the President of United 
States put in charge of the border, and this is what he tasked 
her with. One thing is undeniably clear: she was tasked with 
mitigating and reducing the flow, or better stated, the flood 
of illegal migrants from four countries, Mexico, Honduras, 
Guatemala and El Salvador. Do you agree with that?
    Ms. Perryman. Do I agree with what?
    Mr. Fallon. That the President tasked her with mitigating 
the flow of illegal migration from those four countries?
    Ms. Perryman. I think, as the President called on Congress 
from day one of his Administration to do something----
    Mr. Fallon. OK. So----
    Ms. Perryman [continuing]. About our immigration crisis, I 
think----
    Mr. Fallon. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman?
    Ms. Perryman [continuing]. it is also as----
    Chairman Comer. You are under oath, Ms. Perryman.
    Mr. Fallon. Mr. Chairman, I reclaim my time. So, Ms. 
Perryman does not want to answer a very simple question. The 
American people just saw that quote. That was her task: get 
these numbers down. So, did she get those numbers down? Did she 
succeed or did she fail? Because since its inception, it was 
known as the Biden-Harris Administration. Now she wants us to 
forget about the hyphen and the ``Harris.'' So, Ms. Perryman 
does not want to answer. Mr. Krikorian, did she succeed or 
fail?
    Mr. Krikorian. No, I am not sure she even tried, but she 
did not succeed. Let us put it that way.
    Mr. Fallon. OK. Again, let us talk about truth. This can be 
objectively ascertained because we have data. Donald J. Trump 
was in office, and the Biden-Harris Administration has been in 
office. Under Donald J. Trump, the illegal migration from those 
4 countries was 1.8 million. Under this Administration, it was 
4.3 million. That is a 239-percent increase, and by any 
empirical measure, that was an abject failure in reducing 
illegal migration. So, Joe Biden, Ms. Perryman, on numerous 
occasions, along with Kamala Harris, has asserted that the 
border was secured. Do you believe the border is secure?
    Ms. Perryman. I believe we need a border bill that this 
Congress should pass----
    Mr. Fallon. It is not a trick question. Not a trick 
question. Yes or no? Is the border secure right now? Is our 
Southern border secure?
    Ms. Perryman. I am not here to testify about the border 
today.
    Mr. Fallon. OK. So, I will take that as a yes. We all know 
it is not. In fact, Homeland Security Secretary, Alejandro 
Mayorkas, testified under oath in front of God, country, and 
Congress, ``The border is no less secure than it was 
previously,'' and then he also said, ``We don't bear 
responsibility for a broken system,'' but here is the thing. We 
have got data. And I am glad he was impeached because he 
deserved it.
    Under even Barack Obama's Administration, 4 years, illegal 
encounters was 1.7 million. Under Donald Trump, it was 1.9 
million. So, commensurate numbers. They are close. Under the 
Biden-Harris Administration, that figure was 10.6 million, a 
557-percent increase. That was an abject failure. The Homeland 
Security Secretary was inaccurate, he was wrong, and I believe 
he was lying under oath.
    In the last 20 years, Washington Post said that we had 
172,000 illegal crossings in April, yes. We had not had a month 
in 20 years that we had over 200,000 illegal border crossings, 
had not happened in 20 years. Under this Administration, it has 
happened 28 times. We had Chinese communists, migrants, people 
from the Communist China; 1,282 in 2020, and this past year it 
was 27,000, a 2,100-percent increase. People on the terror 
watch list under Donald J. Trump, 4 years, there were 11 people 
that were apprehended on that list. Under this Administration, 
it was 375. Fentanyl deaths have doubled, and the people of 
Texas have had to bear the brunt. In the last decade-plus, we 
have had 299,000 criminal aliens arrested charged with 513,000 
crimes and convicted of 187,000 of them. We are talking about 
murder, rape, kidnapping, burglary, et cetera.
    The biggest and the greatest task, Mr. Chairman, any of us 
have in this dais is to keep Americans safe because if you are 
not safe, then you are not free. And it is very clear that if 
you want more of the same chaos, crime, cartels, corruption, 
then you keep the same people in power, but if you want change 
and you want to be safe and you want to put America first, you 
have an option to do that, too. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair now recognizes Ms. Ocasio-Cortez 
from New York.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. You 
know, days like today are really deeply felt. I am going to 
speak briefly as the highest-ranking Latino or Latina on this 
Committee. We hear a lot of rhetoric on both sides about the 
issue of immigration, and it is precisely because it is seen as 
a border issue that millions of people suffer over and over and 
over again. It does matter that Vice President Harris was not 
the ``border czar,'' and let me explain to you why. Because 
what Vice President Harris has been tasked with under President 
Biden's Administration is addressing the root causes of 
immigration. Once you have millions of people at the Southern 
border of the United States, you have lost.
    We need to understand why people are coming to the Southern 
border of the United States and mitigating that in the first 
place. And frankly, when we turn the page and look at what 
happened in the Trump Administration, we have to see where 
folks are coming from. And I am tired of hearing from people 
who cannot point out Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Guatemala on 
a map telling us about how to mitigate the millions of people 
seeking refuge. We should be eliminating the reasons why people 
are seeking refuge in the first place.
    Under the Trump Administration, Donald Trump participated 
in what we saw in Venezuela and many of the regime change 
activities that were happening there. And what we saw most 
desperately are the horrific sanctions that were placed, not 
targeting specifically the Maduro regime, but the Venezuelan 
people, innocent Venezuelan people that are being starved of 
food and basic resources. That is what is contributing to a 
destabilizing environment and part of what they are fleeing. 
And that is not to conflate the Venezuelan people with the 
Maduro regime because I oppose the anti-democratic measures, in 
which even just recently in the election, Maduro's refusal to 
make public the results of a free and fair election.
    You want to know how else Republicans have contributed to 
the immigration crisis? Marco Rubio has been sitting and sat 
and stalled and delayed key Ambassadorial appointments of the 
United States across the world. I, myself, led a congressional 
delegation to Latin America and sat across in the Colombian 
embassy where we had an acting Ambassador because Marco Rubio 
refuses to allow U.S. diplomacy to proceed. You tell me what is 
destabilizing. What is destabilizing? People have no idea. 
Legislators who are claiming to understand the issue of 
immigration do not have the slightest clue as to what is 
happening in Latin America while supporting the very policies 
that are driving people here in desperation in the first place. 
So do not talk to me about how Republicans have an answer to 
the issue of immigration.
    Mr. Krikorian, you advised the Trump Administration and 
Stephen Miller quite closely while President Trump was in 
office, correct?
    Mr. Krikorian. No. I mean, we talked to him. He called us 
for information, and we gave it to him.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. OK. So, he called you for information. 
You talked to him. I do not know how you interpret advising. 
That is how I would interpret advising. Now, you mentioned 
earlier that it is your position, we disagree, but it is your 
position, that you believe Haiti should have been colonized for 
longer, correct?
    Mr. Krikorian. It is not a position. It was a musing, a 
speculation on my part, a blog post.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. It is your musing that Haiti should have 
been----
    Mr. Krikorian. Yes. Sure.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Do you believe that the oldest colony in 
the world, Puerto Rico, should continue to be colonized as 
well, just as your position with Haiti?
    Mr. Krikorian. Again, personally, CIS does not take a 
position on this, but I am for independence for Puerto Rico.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. OK.
    Mr. Krikorian. Strongly in favor of that.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. So, do you believe in the Trump 
Administration when Donald Trump raised selling the island of 
Puerto Rico?
    Mr. Krikorian. I do not even remember that one.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Oh, you do not remember when Donald 
Trump----
    Mr. Krikorian. No, I have not heard of that.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I mean, I suppose that puts you in----
    Mr. Krikorian. I am not sure who he would sell it to, but I 
do not know. I mean, sure.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Yes. I suppose that puts you and Nicky 
Jam and Anuel in the same boat. President Trump did raise and 
consider selling the island of Puerto Rico. It is your position 
that Puerto Rico should have no affiliation. What process do 
you think that should happen by?
    Mr. Krikorian. I mean, I do not know. I have no idea.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. But you are not sure----
    Mr. Krikorian. It is not my area. I do immigration policy.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. OK.
    Mr. Krikorian. So, like I said, personally, I think Puerto 
Rico, because it is a distinct, separate country, it is a 
colony, and it should be given its independence. It is long 
overdue.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Given.
    Mr. Krikorian. It is not a CIS position.
    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. All right. Thank you. Thank you very 
much.
    Chairman Comer. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Langworthy 
from New York.
    Mr. Langworthy. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I would 
like to enter into the record a letter that I sent to the FCC 
on April 8, 2024, urging the Commission to thoroughly 
scrutinize the transfer of ownership of Odyssey Incorporated to 
the Soros Management Fund.
    Chairman Comer. Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Langworthy. Commissioner Carr, are you aware of this 
letter?
    Mr. Carr. Yes, I am.
    Mr. Langworthy. OK. And can you give me a status update on 
the proceedings as they relate to the transfer of ownership of 
Odyssey Inc. to the Soros Fund Management Company?
    Mr. Carr. Yes. As you have indicated, there is a 
transaction where a Soros-backed group would take ownership of 
over 200 radio stations across 40 different markets after the 
FCC originally indicated that that transaction could be 
reviewed and approved at the Bureau level without a Commission 
vote. It has now become clear that that is a decision before 
the full Commission, and it is one that I would assume now, or 
in the near future, the Commission would approve.
    I think what is interesting about it is that the FCC here 
is not following its normal process for reviewing a 
transaction. We have established over a number of years one way 
in which you can get approval from the FCC when you have in 
excess of 25 percent foreign ownership, which this transaction 
does. And it seems to me that the FCC is poised to create, for 
the first time, an entirely new shortcut.
    Mr. Langworthy. Yes. Thank you. As you pointed out here and 
previously, these proceedings for transfer of ownership have 
been expedited. What exactly makes this case so deserving of an 
expedited proceeding so far, from what you could tell?
    Mr. Carr. There is nothing about this transaction that is 
out of the ordinary. It is the type of thing that we see all 
the time, and the FCC has a process for this. The full 
Commission itself has never signed off on a shortcut like this. 
What we usually do is we require people to file a petition with 
us. We bring in national security agencies. They can review the 
foreign ownership. It is probably no big deal here, but we 
review that foreign ownership, and then we vote. Here, they are 
trying to do something that has never been done before at the 
Commission level.
    Mr. Langworthy. Yes. I must say, Commissioner, I am 
extremely alarmed at what is happening with this transaction. 
This is very unprecedented. Looking at the facts, it seems that 
the Administration is giving a left-wing billionaire, who is a 
major donor, a close ally, you know, one of the chief funders 
of all of their efforts in their dark money, a free pass to 
take control of hundreds of local radio stations flooding the 
airwaves with leftist propaganda, and I think it is blatant. 
What would a normal proceeding look like, Commissioner, here 
for the transfer of ownership in this nature?
    Mr. Carr. If you followed the process of the FCC adopted 
back in 2016, there would be a petition for dictatorial ruling. 
We would bring in national security agencies. They would review 
the excessive foreign ownership that is involved here. They 
would figure out if there are any issues, again, probably not, 
but we do not know yet. We have not reviewed it. That could 
take 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 months. Then the full Commission would 
step in and decide up or down on the merits of the transaction. 
It looks like we got the cart before the horse this time.
    Mr. Langworthy. It certainly appears that way. From my 
perspective, local radio and local media are the lifeline of 
communities like those in my district, much of small-town 
America, and they offer a diversity of ideas and viewpoints 
that are not available elsewhere. And it is that diversity of 
ideas that the left, including, you know, partisan, very 
activist billionaires, like George Soros, like to stifle and 
they like to silence. And I am deeply disturbed that this 
Administration has fast tracked a process to hand over these 
stations to one of their most loyal funders. And make no 
mistake, they know exactly what they are doing and they welcome 
the result. And at this point, I will yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Comer. Would you yield your remaining minute and 
20?
    Mr. Langworthy. I would be glad to yield.
    Chairman Comer. I was wanting to go back on the 
regulations. With respect to the Green New Deal and these 
policies, all we know about Vice President Harris is what she 
talked about when she was running for President, as well as the 
policy she has while she has been vice president. Ms. 
Gunasekara, could you explain what the Green New Deal does with 
respect to the bureaucracy? I do not think my colleagues 
understand the frustration with the American people out there. 
The government is supposed to work for the people. My 
colleagues on the left are really concerned about the 
bureaucracy and doing anything to disrupt the bureaucracy. But 
can you explain what the bureaucracy does to the consumers with 
respect to the Green New Deal and energy policies? Like, how 
does this affect our energy bill? How does this affect the grid 
and their reliance on and availability of energy?
    Ms. Gunasekara. The bureaucracy right now has the power to 
determine what businesses succeed or fail, what industries 
succeed or fail. And what increasingly we have seen in the 
Biden-Harris Administration is they use that authority to push 
out and squeeze out of existence business and industries that 
have fallen out of political favor. And what this ultimately 
means for the small business owner that is trying to get a 
permit, is that they never get that permit.
    Chairman Comer. Right.
    Ms. Gunasekara. What it means for investors who have put up 
millions of dollars of capital investment, that that is frozen, 
and so the jobs and the economic development affiliated with 
that never manifest itself. And under this Administration, 
those decisions are made whether or not that business, that 
industry, or the person aligns with the ideology of the left.
    Chairman Comer. Very good. I agree. The Chair now 
recognizes Mr. Tlaib from Michigan.
    Ms. Tlaib. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. Of course, we 
heard a lot today from both sides regarding different views for 
our country. I mean, historically, it has always been the case. 
But I do want to focus on, and folks know and Chair Comer, I 
think, appreciates it, but I want to get centered to the 
everyday, daily life of our families at home.
    You know, I hear a lot of them talk to me about, you know, 
what are the government's policies affecting, you know, their 
ability to put food on the table, lights. I think, you know, 
the cost of utilities is just increasing. I think the cost of 
water has gone up 400 percent nationwide. And I always tell 
people, you know, our families are living check by check, 
majority, and over 50 percent of my colleagues are 
millionaires. Really, Democrat, Republican, they will never 
fully understand the struggles of many of our families. And, 
you know, they are in survivor mode. I do not know how to 
explain it other than, like, survivor mode. They never have 
time to be able to think of `how can I thrive?,' and it is 
real. Like, I know we are in this, like, bubble of Congress, 
but it is very real out there.
    So, a number of Americans, including many of my neighbors, 
rely heavily on overtime pay. Ms. Perryman, as you know, to 
make ends meet, they will bust their butt. They will work that 
10, 20 hours because they got to get that tire fixed or they 
got to pay a certain bill that they did not expect. So, I know 
most, you know, again, Members are in an income bracket that is 
completely disconnected, so they do not understand what that 
means.
    But you know, even with all those hours, sometimes they are 
not even eligible for like, overtime pay. And I am going to 
talk about--what is it, page 592 of Project 2025--where it 
says, ``Congress should provide flexibility to employers and 
employees to calculate overtime period over a long number of 
weeks.'' Sounds great, right? Like, oh, flexibility. But when 
you actually go look down, you know, the implementation of it, 
this means you would be forced to work long hours 1 week, then 
have your hours dramatically cut later in the month so your 
boss does not have to pay overtime. Is that correct, Ms. 
Perryman?
    Ms. Perryman. It is. It is.
    Ms. Tlaib. What do you think the impact would be here?
    Ms. Perryman. We know it would be devastating, and that is 
not the only thing that is in Project 2025 that is devastating 
to working Americans who need to be paid for their work. It 
also would seek to revise the threshold by which you qualify 
for overtime, which is something that the Biden-Harris 
Administration, through the Department of Labor, did revise 
upwards so that more families could be paid fairly.
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes, and I know the National Labor Relations 
Board is incredibly important. Many of our workers are, you 
know, folks in the labor community, I mean, day-to-day workers 
rely on the establishment of this Board to make sure that their 
rights are protected. You know, even in Project 2025, and the 
former President, you know, seriously continues to attack, 
saying that the National Labor Board is unconstitutional. I 
mean, this is literally the Federal agency that protects the 
right to organize and collectively bargain, many of which my 
colleagues, their parents benefited from that. Can you talk a 
little bit about the importance of that Board?
    Ms. Perryman. Yes, absolutely. I mean, it is incredibly 
important for the American people and for the fairness of our 
work force, for the ability of people to collectively bargain, 
including in workplaces that are structurally inequitable 
toward workers. And we do see it attacked not only in Project 
2025, but in our courts and in a variety of contexts.
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes. And you know, Chairman Comer, you know 
this. I mean, Project 2025, we keep talking, I know I wish we 
could, Chairman--and I always look at Cummings because we need 
to make sure that we are not bringing the campaigning inside 
the Capitol. It is what most Americans hate about Congress. I 
mean, I think our approval rating is 17 percent. Honestly, I 
want to talk about Postal Service. You know that. I want to 
talk about the cost of insulin, the Big Pharma. I want to talk 
about these issues. You know, Project 2025 is scary. It is.
    As somebody that comes from the most beautiful, Blackest 
city in the country, all I keep thinking about is what is going 
to happen to my neighbors. Working class folks, what is going 
to happen to them? This is real. It is not something on paper. 
Implementation-wise, it will be devastating for families, you 
know. I just think we could do better. I think our families 
deserve better, for our country. We can use this Committee for 
so much more. Thank you so much, and I yield.
    Chairman Comer. May I respond----
    Ms. Tlaib. Sure.
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. To my friend?
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes.
    Chairman Comer. Ms. Tlaib, we get along great. This hearing 
is about policy. It is a substantive hearing. I think many on 
your side have made it about this Project whatever it is that, 
that I have never read. The President----
    Ms. Tlaib. It is just the----
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. The former President said he 
is never read it.
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes, I know, but----
    Chairman Comer. And with respect to Postal, we have got 
that next month.
    Ms. Tlaib. I know. I know.
    Chairman Comer. DeJoy is coming in, I think, or somebody.
    Ms. Tlaib. Look, I could talk about the COVID money because 
I want to know where that money is, right?
    Chairman Comer. Yup.
    Ms. Tlaib. All of us do. We could talk about a lot of those 
things, but yes. And Mr. Chair, just all due respect----
    Chairman Comer. Right.
    Ms. Tlaib [continuing]. It is hard for our families to be 
looking at this Committee and just rolling their eyes, and we 
wonder why the popularity of Congress continues to be reduced.
    Chairman Comer. I respectfully disagree. We published a 
report last week about $200 billion in unemployment insurance 
fraud----
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes.
    Chairman Comer [continuing]. That the Administration does 
not seem that concerned about.
    Ms. Tlaib. We did that in a bipartisan----
    Chairman Comer. We have talked about $46 billion being 
spent on broadband that has never connected a single household. 
So, you know, we are concerned about waste, fraud, and abuse.
    Ms. Tlaib. I agree. I can say it is 100 percent----
    Chairman Comer. And that is kind of what we have been doing 
this whole Congress.
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes. No, I know. We could do----
    Chairman Comer. All right.
    Ms. Tlaib. Yes. I appreciate that Committee hearing. I 
think we all appreciated it, and it was done in a bipartisan 
way.
    Chairman Comer. All right.
    Ms. Tlaib. I thank you again, Mr. Chair.
    Chairman Comer. I thank the lady from Michigan. Her time 
has expired.
    And that concludes our questions. In closing, I want to 
thank our witnesses, again, for being here today, for your 
testimony. This is not the easiest committee to testify in 
front of in this Congress. I now yield to Ranking Member Raskin 
for 4 minutes of closing remarks.
    Mr. Raskin. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Witnesses, thank you 
all for your participation today.
    You know, Mr. Frost made the key point that the hearing was 
framed as a partisan exercise, but at least it has invited a 
straight-up comparison between the economic records of Donald 
Trump and Joe Biden. Donald Trump left Americans with 3 million 
fewer jobs than when he started in office, the worst record 
since the Great Depression. Meantime, we have had, under the 
Biden-Harris Administration, the lowest unemployment rate in 50 
years, 11 million new jobs created since 2021, including 
750,000 new manufacturing jobs, and while bringing inflation 
down dramatically, putting us at the very top of the G7 
countries in terms of our ability to deal with the supply chain 
problems caused by COVID-19 and Donald Trump's lethally 
reckless stewardship of the country during that period when he 
was recommending that people inject themselves with bleach and 
hydroxychloroquine and all of these crazy things.
    But look, the Inflation Reduction Act dramatically reduced 
prescription drug prices in America. I had constituents who 
were paying $600 a month, Mr. Chairman, for their insulin shots 
as diabetics. The Democrats reduced that to $35 a month and 
made similar dramatic cost reductions across the board for 25 
or 30 new drugs. That is a dramatic change. Now, I know 
Republicans reject that. They are campaigning all over the 
country to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, which did that.
    We also led to create, finally, a $1.2 trillion investment 
in infrastructure, the roads, the bridges, the highways, the 
ports, the airports, rail and trail, rural broadband. I cannot 
believe this slander against rural broadband in America. The 
program did not start until this last summer. That is why that 
money has not been spent. At least one of the witnesses 
conceded there had been lots of other money spent. But we are 
getting Republican Governors, like in Virginia and West 
Virginia, praising the program because of the hundreds of 
millions of dollars that have been made available to the states 
in order to expand rural broadband.
    But I do want to commend you, Mr. Chairman, as well as the 
witnesses, for your absolute forthrightness in bringing forward 
this panel of Project 2025 intellectuals, the people who wrote 
the plan, the people whose organizations have been involved in 
the plan, and the people who are defending the plan. I want to 
particularly commend Ms. Gunasekara--I hope I pronounced it 
correctly, finally--no, but maybe I got closer--Gunasekara, for 
saying not only does she support Project 2025, she thinks the 
idea of getting rid of 50,000 professional civil service 
workers in NOAA and NIH and FDA and all across the government 
is not enough. She said it does not go far enough. She wants to 
extend the demolition of professional civil service jobs and do 
what Project 2025 is advocating, which is replacing them with 
political appointees, flunkies, acolytes, supplicants, and 
sycophants who are willing to do whatever Donald Trump says.
    Their unilateral executive theory is that the President 
should control everything that goes on in the executive branch, 
including by the commissions and by the boards, wiping out the 
independence of Federal regulatory commissions and boards. So, 
they want to slash reproductive freedoms. That includes IVF. It 
includes birth control, abortion, of course. They want a 
national ban on abortion in America. That is the reality of 
what we are talking about, and you have put the politics of it 
front and center today. And I am glad at least you have not 
been abashed about it the way Donald Trump is now running away 
as quickly as he can from Project 2025. You have put it 
forward, and I thank you for that. Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Comer. The gentleman's time has expired, and I 
apologize to the witnesses with his constant misstatements that 
the majority of this panel had anything to do with Project 
2025. Honesty is not the Ranking Member's strong suit. So 
again, I apologize on behalf of this Committee.
    You know, one of the things that is disturbing to me is, 
when I go back to Kentucky, listening to my constituents, they 
want government to work for them. They feel like government is 
not working for them. The policies are not working for them. 
And the most outrage I have seen from my colleagues today was 
not over the billions of dollars that have been wasted, was not 
over the billions of dollars that we left behind in 
Afghanistan. It was not over the wide-open border that is 
costing the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. It was 
the notion of firing some bureaucrats, some bureaucrats, some 
fat cat bureaucrats. And you know, that is the level of tone 
deafness I think that you see by my colleagues on the left. And 
to imply that the Federal work force is not partial now, I 
mean, this Federal work force is populated overwhelmingly, if 
not nearly unanimously, by left-wing activists.
    And when you talk about government, we have, you know, the 
judicial branch, we have the executive branch, and we have the 
legislative branch, but what has happened in a few years? There 
is a new branch of government: the bureaucracy. Government is 
too big. We need to rein in the size of government, one reason 
we have inflation. We have Biden-Harris inflation because the 
government has spent too much money. And there are necessary 
expenses of a government. It is necessary to fund Border 
Patrol. It is necessary to fund our military. It is necessary 
to fund social programs like food programs. I have always been 
a strong advocate for food programs, but it is not necessary to 
continue to grow these bureaucracies and to continue to hire 
these Federal left-wing bureaucrats that will not comply with 
the directives of the American people.
    If the American people make a statement this election, that 
they want a different kind of policy with respect to energy 
policy. Is the EPA, the way it is populated now, situated and 
willing to comply with that new direction, the mandate that the 
American people say that they will voice? No. The answer is no.
    And you know, Ms. Stansbury wanted to thank the witnesses 
for their transparency on background and policies. I appreciate 
that. Where is the transparency among my Democrat colleagues? 
What is the vision for the future for the Vice President? All 
we know are the policies of the past, and the policies of the 
past, as we have outlined in this Committee hearing, have been 
a huge failure, primarily to the American consumer who is 
having to struggle to pay for their grocery bills or having to 
pay more for rent, pay more for gasoline, pay more for every 
expense to the tune of $11,000 to $13,000 more per year for the 
same goods and services. The salaries did not increase $11,000 
to $13,000. That is what inflation is, and we have inflation 
because of the bad policies of the Biden-Harris Administration.
    I want to conclude with this. The Ranking Member mentioned 
the strong job market. His constituent, Jerome Powell, cut the 
interest rates yesterday by the--and I come from a banking 
background--by about as much as I have ever seen at one time, 
and he said the reason they did that is because of the weak job 
market. So, at the end of the day, we need to--the weak job 
market that was created with mass illegal immigration into this 
country that has had a negative impact on the job market. That 
is his words.
    So again, I want to thank the witnesses for being here 
today to talk about substantive policy. I appreciate your 
willingness to come before this Committee.
    And with that, without objection, all Members have 5 
legislative days within which to submit materials and 
additional written questions for the witnesses, which will be 
forwarded to the witnesses.
    If there is no further business, without objection, the 
Committee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 1:55 p.m., the Committee was adjourned.]

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