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                   H.R. 6352, H.R. 8413, H.R. 8632,
                   H.R. 8836, AND DISCUSSION DRAFT
                   OF H.R. ____ (GRAVES OF LA)

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                          LEGISLATIVE HEARING

                               BEFORE THE

                     SUBCOMMITTEE ON WATER, WILDLIFE 
                              AND FISHERIES

                                OF THE

                     COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                      Tuesday, September 10, 2024

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                           Serial No. 118-145

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                     COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES

                     BRUCE WESTERMAN, AR, Chairman
                    DOUG LAMBORN, CO, Vice Chairman
                  RAUL M. GRIJALVA, AZ, Ranking Member

Doug Lamborn, CO			Grace F. Napolitano, CA
Robert J. Wittman, VA			Gregorio Kilili Camacho Sablan, 	
Tom McClintock, CA			    CNMI
Paul Gosar, AZ				Jared Huffman, CA
Garret Graves, LA			Ruben Gallego, AZ
Aumua Amata C. Radewagen, AS	        Joe Neguse, CO
Doug LaMalfa, CA			Mike Levin, CA
Daniel Webster, FL			Katie Porter, CA
Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, PR	        Teresa Leger Fernandez, NM
Russ Fulcher, ID			Melanie A. Stansbury, NM
Pete Stauber, MN			Mary Sattler Peltola, AK
John R. Curtis, UT			Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, NY
Tom Tiffany, WI				Kevin Mullin, CA
Jerry Carl, AL				Val T. Hoyle, OR
Matt Rosendale, MT			Sydney Kamlager-Dove, CA
Lauren Boebert, CO			Seth Magaziner, RI
Cliff Bentz, OR				Nydia M. Velazquez, NY
Jen Kiggans, VA				Ed Case, HI
Jim Moylan, GU				Debbie Dingell, MI
Wesley P. Hunt, TX			Susie Lee, NV
Mike Collins, GA
Anna Paulina Luna, FL
John Duarte, CA
Harriet M. Hageman, WY


                    Vivian Moeglein, Staff Director
                      Tom Connally, Chief Counsel
                 Lora Snyder, Democratic Staff Director
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             SUBCOMMITTEE ON WATER, WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES

                       CLIFF BENTZ, OR, Chairman
                      JEN KIGGANS, VA, Vice Chair
                   JARED HUFFMAN, CA, Ranking Member

Robert J. Wittman, VA                Grace F. Napolitano, CA
Tom McClintock, CA                   Mike Levin, CA
Garret Graves, LA                    Mary Sattler Peltola, AK
Aumua Amata C. Radewagen, AS         Kevin Mullin, CA
Doug LaMalfa, CA                     Val T. Hoyle, OR
Daniel Webster, FL                   Seth Magaziner, RI
Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon, PR         Debbie Dingell, MI
Jerry Carl, AL                       Ruben Gallego, AZ
Lauren Boebert, CO                   Joe Neguse, CO
Jen Kiggans, VA                      Katie Porter, CA
Anna Paulina Luna, FL                Ed Case, HI
John Duarte, CA                      Raul M. Grijalva, AZ, ex officio
Harriet M. Hageman, WY
Bruce Westerman, AR, ex officio

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                               CONTENTS

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Hearing Memo.....................................................     v
Hearing held on Tuesday, September 10, 2024......................     1

Statement of Members:

    Bentz, Hon. Cliff, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Oregon............................................     2
    Huffman, Hon. Jared, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of California........................................     3

    Panel I:

    Graves, Hon. Garret, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Louisiana.........................................    11
    Grothman, Hon. Glenn, a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Wisconsin.........................................    12
    Zinke, Hon. Ryan K., a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Montana...........................................    14
    Moore, Hon. Blake D., a Representative in Congress from the 
      State of Utah..............................................    15

Statement of Witnesses:

    Panel II:

    Guertin, Steve, Deputy Director for Program Management and 
      Policy, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Department of the 
      Interior, Washington, DC...................................    17
        Prepared statement of....................................    19
        Questions submitted for the record.......................    23
    Cochran, Steve, Former Executive Director, Restore the 
      Mississippi River Delta, New Orleans, Louisiana............    23
        Prepared statement of....................................    25
    Nichols, Paul, Chairman, Hitchcock County Board of 
      Commissioners, Trenton, Nebraska...........................    28
        Prepared statement of....................................    29
    Leahy, Mike, Senior Director of Wildlife, Hunting, and 
      Fishing Policy, National Wildlife Federation, Washington, 
      DC.........................................................    33
        Prepared statement of....................................    35
    Schmitz, Taylor, Director of Government Relations, 
      Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, Washington, DC.......    39
        Prepared statement of....................................    41

Additional Materials Submitted for the Record:
    Bureau of Reclamation, Statement for the Record..............    67
    NOAA, Statement for the Record...............................    69

    Submissions for the Record by Representative Bentz

        Association of Fish & Wildlife Agencies, Statement for 
          the Record on H.R. 6352 and H.R. 8836..................    63
        Multiple conservation organizations, Letter to the 
          Committee on H.R. 8836.................................    65

    Submissions for the Record by Representative Huffman

        BRADY--United Against Gun Violence, Statement for the 
          Record on H.R. 6352....................................     4
        Everytown for Gun Safety, Statement for the Record on 
          H.R. 6352..............................................     6
        Letter from wildlife groups opposing H.R. 8632...........     9
    Submissions for the Record by Representative Zinke

        Western Governors Association, Letter to the Committee on 
          H.R. 8836..............................................    71
        National Audubon Society, Letter to the Committee on H.R. 
          8836...................................................    75

    Submissions for the Record by Representative Moore

        Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, Letter to the Committee on 
          H.R. 6352..............................................    16

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To:        Committee on Natural Resources Republican Members

From:     Committee on Natural Resources staff: Annick Miller, x58331 
        ([email protected]), Doug Levine 
        ([email protected]. gov), Kirby Struhar 
        ([email protected]), and Thomas Shipman 
        ([email protected])

Date:     Tuesday, September 10, 2024

Subject:   Legislative Hearing on H.R. 6352, H.R. 8413, H.R. 8632, H.R. 
        8836, and a Discussion Draft of H.R. ____ (Rep. Graves of LA)
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        _______

    The Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and Fisheries will hold a 
legislative hearing on: H.R. 6352 (Rep. Moore of UT), ``Tax Stamp 
Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act''; H.R. 8413 (Rep. 
Smith of NE), ``Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances 
Act''; H.R. 8632 (Rep. Grothman), ``Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back 
and Fully Erased (BIOSAFE) Act of 2024''; H.R. 8836 (Rep. Zinke), 
``Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act''; and a Discussion Draft 
of H.R. ____ (Rep. Graves of LA), To require the Administrator of the 
National Marine Fisheries Service to establish a coastal protection and 
restoration grant program; on Tuesday, September 10, 2024, at 2 o'clock 
p.m. EDT in 1324 Longworth House Office Building.

    Member offices are requested to notify Lindsay Walton 
(lindsay.walton@ mail.house.gov) by 4:30 p.m. on Monday, September 9, 
2024, if their Member intends to participate in the hearing.

I. KEY MESSAGES

     House Republicans are considering five bills that provide 
            additional funding and expertise for wildlife conservation 
            nationwide, provide for the transfer of a federal water 
            facility to local control, and promote coastal restoration.

     H.R. 6352 would direct tax revenue from the transfer of 
            silencers to wildlife conservation and also speed up the 
            process of approving silencer transfer applications.

     H.R. 8413 would initiate a land conveyance of two Bureau 
            of Reclamation reservoirs in southern Nebraska for the 
            purpose of turning management over to local county 
            management.

     H.R. 8632 would require the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 
            to withdraw their proposed Biological Integrity, Diversity, 
            and Environmental Health Rule thereby protecting vital 
            multiple use activities within the National Wildlife Refuge 
            System.

     H.R. 8836 would build on work undertaken by the Trump 
            Administration to conserve migration corridors and winter 
            range habitat for big game species through voluntary 
            programs with private landowners and cooperation with state 
            agencies.

     The Discussion Draft being considered would establish a 
            new grant program administered by the National Marine 
            Fisheries Service to advance coastal restoration 
            activities.

II. WITNESSES
Panel I

     Members of Congress TBD

Panel II

     Mr. Steve Guertin, Deputy Director for Program Management 
            and Policy, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Department of 
            the Interior, Washington, D.C. [H.R. 6352, H.R. 8413, H.R. 
            8632, and H.R. 8836]

     The Honorable Richard Spinrad, Under Secretary of Commerce 
            for Oceans and Atmosphere & NOAA Administrator, Department 
            of Commerce, Washington, DC [invited]

     Mr. Taylor Schmitz, Director of Government Relations, 
            Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, Washington, D.C. 
            [H.R. 6352, H.R. 8632, and H.R. 8836]

     Mr. Paul Nichols, Chairman, Hitchcock County Board of 
            Commissioners, Trenton, NE [H.R. 8413]

     Mr. Steve Cochran, Former Executive Director, Restore the 
            Mississippi River Delta, New Orleans, LA [Graves Discussion 
            Draft]

     Mr. Mike Leahy, Senior Director of Wildlife, Hunting, and 
            Fishing Policy, National Wildlife Federation, Washington, 
            DC [H.R. 8836] [Minority witness]

III. BACKGROUND

H.R. 6352 (Rep. Moore of UT), ``Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife 
        and Recreation Act''

    For over 80 years, our nation's sportsmen and women have been the 
primary funders of fish and wildlife conservation in the United States 
through a ``user pays--public benefits'' structure known as the 
``American System of Conservation Funding.'' \1\ This year, the 
Department of the Interior (DOI) distributed more than $1.3 billion in 
funding that was generated by sportsmen and women through excise taxes 
on recreational shooting, hunting, fishing, and boating equipment.\2\ 
These funds are apportioned through formulas set out in the Pittman-
Robertson Wildlife Restoration Act and the Dingell-Johnson Sport Fish 
Restoration Act.
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    \1\ ``The American System of Conservation Funding.'' Association of 
Fish & Wildlife Agencies. https://www.fishwildlife.org/afwa-informs/
resources/american-system-conservation-funding
    \2\ ``Final Apportionment of Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration 
Funding for Fiscal Year 2024.'' U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. FY24 WR 
Apportionments (fws.gov) and ``Amended Final Apportionment of Dingell-
Johnson Sports Fish Restoration Funding for Fiscal 2024.'' U.S. Fish 
and Wildlife Service. FY24 SFR Apportionments (fws.gov)
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    H.R. 6352 amends the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust 
Fund by apportioning tax revenue received from the transfer of 
silencers to be directed toward wildlife conservation and recreation. 
In addition, the bill would require the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 
Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to expedite the processing of silencer 
transfer applications.
    According to the National Firearms Act of 1934 (Public Law 73-474), 
all applicants wishing to transfer a silencer are required to undergo a 
background check and pay a $200 tax stamp.
    Currently, the revenue accrued by the tax stamp goes to the general 
treasury, without a stated purpose. H.R. 6352 would change this by 
directing 85 percent of it to the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
Restoration Trust Fund. Of the revenue dedicated to the Pittman-
Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund by this bill, 15 percent 
would be utilized to develop, maintain, and operate recreational 
shooting ranges. The rest of the funding would go toward wildlife 
conservation, hunter education, and other activities set out in the 
underlying Pittman-Roberston statute.
    The remaining 15 percent of tax stamp revenue from the transfer of 
silencers would be allocated to the ATF to expedite the processing of 
silencer transfer applications. H.R. 6352 would also place a 90-day 
requirement on the ATF to process silencer applications. If an 
application is not processed within 90 days, that application will be 
deemed approved.

    H.R. 6352 has five Republican cosponsors and one Democrat 
cosponsor.

H.R. 8413 (Rep. Smith of NE), ``Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land 
        Conveyances Act''

    H.R. 8413 initiates the transfer of federal lands at the Swanson 
Reservoir and the Hugh Butler Reservoir in Nebraska to Frontier County 
and Hitchcock County in southern Nebraska. These reservoirs were 
created by the construction of dams for flood control under the Pick-
Sloan Missouri Basin Program which was authorized by the Flood Control 
Act in 1944.\3\ The Hugh Butler Reservoir was created by the 
construction of the Red Willow Dam and holds 86,630 acre-feet (AF) of 
water.\4\ The Swanson Reservoir was created by the construction of the 
Trenton Dam between 1949 and 1953 and is capable of storing 216,291 
AF.5,6 Among other benefits, these reservoirs provide access 
to recreational outdoor activities with the two parks containing 5,960 
acres available for public access hunting and recreational fishing 
access for many fish species including walleye, crappie, channel 
catfish, and several others.\7\
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    \3\ Pick-Sloan Missouri Basin Program (General Overview). USBR. 1/
20/2022. https://web.archive.org/web/20090118035708/http://
www.usbr.gov/dataweb/html/psmbp.html
    \4\ Red Willow Dam. USBR. 9/28/2016. https://web.archive.org/web/
20120927153103/http://www.usbr.gov/projects/
Facility.jsp?fac_Name=Red+Willow+Dam&groupName=Overview
    \5\ Frenchman-Cambridge Division. USBR. 9/1/2022. https://
web.archive.org/web/201209251243 56/http://www.usbr.gov/projects/
Project.jsp?proj_Name=Frenchman-Cambridge%20Division
    \6\ Swanson Reservoir (Trenton Dam). DOI. No date. https://
www.recreation.gov/camping/gateways/83
    \7\ Id.
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    The legislation was introduced at the request of both Hitchcock and 
Frontier Counties with the hopes of placing certain land around these 
two reservoirs under local control after disagreements arose between 
local stakeholders and the Bureau of Reclamation about the management 
of the concession areas surrounding the reservoirs.\8\ The disagreement 
stemmed from a Bureau of Reclamation decision to require the removal of 
mobile homes parks surrounding the reservoirs by November 1, 2024 as a 
precondition to resign concessionaire contracts.\9\ Local 
concessionaires have stated publicly that the removal of the trailer 
parks would cause a drastic loss in revenues and put their businesses 
at risk.\10\ The cost of this transfer to the counties has not been 
determined, however the bill mandates that an appraisal be conducted, 
and the counties will be responsible for providing fair market value 
compensation for the respective conveyances.
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    \8\ Fischer, Ricketts, Smith Introduce Legislation to Transfer 
Ownership of Swanson & Red Willow Reservoirs. Senator Deb Fischer. 5/
15/2024. https://www.fischer.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2024/5/
fischer-ricketts-smith-introduce-legislation-to-transfer-ownership-of-
swanson-red-willow-reservoirs
    \9\ ``Lake communities fighting federal agency's plan to remove 
trailer cabins at Southwest Nebraska lakes.'' Jason Frederick. 
Hitchcock County News. 6/6/23. Local News: Lake communities fighting 
federal agency's plan to remove trailer cabins at Southwest Nebraska 
lakes (6/6/23)/McCook Gazette
    \10\ Id.
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    H.R. 8413 has three Republican cosponsors and one Democrat 
cosponsor. Companion legislation has been introduced in the Senate by 
Senators Deb Fischer (R-NE) and Pete Ricketts (R-NE).

H.R. 8632 (Rep. Grothman), ``Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back and 
        Fully Erased (BIOSAFE) Act of 2024''

    H.R. 8632 would require the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary), 
acting through the Director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 
(USFWS), to withdraw the proposed rule titled ``National Wildlife 
Refuge System; Biological Integrity, Diversity, and Environmental 
Health (BIDEH).'' This rule would make sweeping changes to the way the 
National Wildlife Refuge System (System) operates and is managed. The 
proposed rule has generated substantial interest since it was proposed 
by the USFWS on February 2, 2024. The USFWS is currently analyzing over 
146,000 comments that have been submitted on the proposal.
    The proposed rule, if finalized, would make a series of changes to 
the ability that refuge managers have to utilize several key management 
tools on System lands. Impacted management tools could include 
agricultural practices, native predator control, utilizing genetically 
engineered crops (GECs), and utilizing pesticides. The rule creates a 
``default position'' for the System by expressly stating that certain 
practices are prohibited unless refuge managers conduct a full 
evaluation of the potential environmental effects of the management 
activity in accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act 
(NEPA).\11\ In addition, refuge managers would also be required to 
complete a comprehensive analysis to justify that utilizing these 
management practices is necessary to meet statutory responsibilities, 
fulfill refuge purposes, and ensure BIDEH. Additional red tape could 
include additional layers of planning through the refuge's 
comprehensive conservation plan or undergoing a scientific peer review. 
On top of the new requirements, according to the rule, refuge managers 
must also ``fulfill other policy and legal requirements prior to 
implementing a management activity or use when applicable.'' \12\
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    \11\ 89 FR 7345. at 7348
    \12\ Id.
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    Central to the issue with the proposed rule is that the System's 
new ``default position'' on key management practices is ``they are 
prohibited.'' \13\ This does not accomplish the USFWS' intended goal of 
the rulemaking, which is to promote ``management flexibility'' and 
``empower refuge managers.'' \14\ Instead, the proposed rule ties the 
hands of refuge managers from making important management decisions by 
requiring them to work through regulatory red tape before conducting 
important management actions.
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    \13\ Id. at 7352
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    The Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and Fisheries held an oversight 
hearing on the proposed BIDEH rule on April 10th, 2024, more 
information on that hearing, including testimony, can be seen here, and 
the hearing memo can be seen here. On June 28, 2024, Chairman Westerman 
and 20 other bi-partisan House members sent a letter to the USFWS 
calling on them to withdraw the proposed BIDEH rule.

    H.R. 8632 has three Republican cosponsors.

H.R. 8836 (Rep. Zinke), ``Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act''

    H.R. 8836 would codify existing agency activities and make changes 
to existing conservation programs to enhance funding toward the 
conservation of wildlife movement areas, sometimes referred to as 
migration corridors, for big game species and other wildlife. This 
legislation builds upon Secretarial Order (S.O.) 3362, entitled 
``Improving Habitat Quality in Western Big-Game Winter Range and 
Migration Corridors,'' which was signed by Rep. Zinke in 2018 when he 
was Secretary of the Interior.\15\ The bill also builds upon the 
Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program that was authorized by the 
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Migratory Big Game 
Initiative of the Department of Agriculture.
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    \15\ Secretarial Order 3362. U.S. Department of the Interior. 2/9/
2018. so_3362_migration.pdf (doi.gov)
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    S.O. 3362 directed agencies within DOI to work closely with western 
states to conserve big-game winter range and migration corridor habitat 
under the jurisdiction of the Department, while protecting state 
authorities and private property rights.\16\ The S.O. specifically 
called out species such as Rocky Mountain Elk, Mule Deer, and Pronghorn 
Antelope as species that would directly benefit from this effort.\17\ 
These species migration corridors have been put at risk by residential 
development and other development that includes fencing, road 
construction, or the construction of other barriers.
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    \16\ Id.
    \17\ Id.
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    The S.O. required DOI to appoint a ``Coordinator'' within the 
Department whose sole responsibility would be to work directly with 
federal agencies, state agencies, and non-governmental organizations to 
conserve winter range and migration corridor habitat for big game 
species.\18\ It also required DOI to work with state agencies to 
develop action plans that include habitat management goals for big game 
winter range and migration corridor habitat, measurable conservation 
outcomes, and budgetary resources needed to carry out respective 
actions.\19\ The S.O. also directed the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) 
to work with state agencies to map wildlife corridors for elk, deer, 
and pronghorn species.\20\
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    \18\ Id.
    \19\ Id.
    \20\ Id.
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    H.R. 8836 would carry-on this work by requiring the Secretary to 
develop a nonregulatory ``Wildlife Movement and Movement Area Grant 
Program.'' This program would fund projects that improve or conserve 
habitat quality in movement areas, arrange voluntary collaboration with 
landowners, and coordinate efforts among State and Tribal governments. 
This grant program would be administered by the National Fish and 
Wildlife Foundation (NFWF), grants would have a 90 percent federal cost 
share, and 50 percent of the appropriated funding must be directed 
toward big game species. While the bill does not authorize a specific 
dollar figure for this program, it does authorize the program through 
Fiscal Year (FY) 2030.
    The bill would also require the Secretary to develop a ``State and 
Tribal Migration Research Program'' that would provide funding to State 
fish and wildlife agencies and Indian Tribes to collect and analyze 
data on identification, characteristics, or management of movement 
areas. This program would be administered by the USFWS and the bill 
does not authorize a specific dollar figure for this program, but it 
would be authorized through FY 2030.
    The bill would also make changes to existing conservation programs. 
The bill would amend the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program 
(Partners Program) by encouraging it to provide technical assistance to 
other federal agencies to conserve migration corridors or season 
habitat. The bill would also reauthorize the Partners Program through 
2030, which the House has taken action to do previously when it passed 
the ``WILD Act'' on February 5, 2024, but that bill still awaits 
consideration in the Senate.\21\ The bill also encourages USGS to 
continue their corridor mapping efforts and it also contains a series 
of savings clauses that protect livestock and agricultural production, 
state management of species within their borders, private property 
rights, and public access for sportsman activities.
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    \21\ ``H.R. 5009--WILD Act.'' Actions--H.R. 5009--118th Congress 
(2023-2024): WILD Act/Congress.gov/Library of Congress
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    H.R. 8836 is co-lead by Rep. Don Beyer (D-VA) and has a Senate 
companion that has been introduced by Senator Alex Padilla (D-CA).

Discussion Draft of H.R. ____ (Rep. Graves of LA), To require the 
        Administrator of the National Marine Fisheries Service to 
        establish a coastal protection and restoration grant program.

    At a field hearing that the Committee held in Thibodaux, Louisiana 
last month, one of the main themes that members heard was the 
importance of Louisiana's coast--for its abundant natural resources, 
its contributions to both the domestic and international economy, and 
its ecological significance. This region has experienced incredible 
adversity through the loss of its coastal wetlands; recent projections 
have found that Louisiana has lost coastal wetlands the size of the 
state of Delaware since the 1930s,\22\ due to various factors, 
including river levees, navigation channels, hurricanes, and 
subsidence.\23\ More information from the field hearing, including 
testimony, can be found here, and the hearing memo can be found here.
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    \22\ United States Geological Survey. Louisiana's changing coastal 
wetlands: Lack of Major Hurricanes Since 2008 is Likely the Main 
Reason. July 12, 2017. https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-news-release/
usgs-louisianas-rate-coastal-wetland-losscontinues-slow
    \23\ TEDxLSU. America's coast in danger/Garret Graves. https://
www.youtube.com/watch?v= 2nxvIvbdgSA
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    The discussion draft introduced by Congressman Garret Graves (R-LA) 
would address this challenge by creating a ten-year competitive grant 
program within the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 
(NOAA) National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) to advance coastal 
restoration activities in the lower Mississippi watershed through 
financial support and technical assistance. Through a cooperative 
agreement, the program would be managed and administered by the 
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (NFWF). Specific restoration 
activities that would be supported by this grant program include the 
construction of levees, the restoration of fish habitat, including 
artificial reefs, protecting barrier islands, and advancing nature-
based solutions, among others.
    Entities eligible to receive grants would be state, local, and 
Tribal governments, or a center of excellence as defined in Section 
1605 of the Resources and Ecosystems Sustainability, Tourist 
Opportunities, and Revived Economies of the Gulf Coast States Act of 
2012 (33 U.S.C. 1321 note). To carry out this grant program, the 
discussion draft directs NMFS to consult with the USFWS, the 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Natural Resource 
Conservation Service (NRCS) within the Department of Agriculture, and 
Louisiana's Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority. It would also 
direct the Administrator of NMFS to prioritize activities that further 
state or federal coastal protection and restoration plans.
    One specific barrier to coastal restoration is the environmental 
review process under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). 
Often the way that the environmental baseline is calculated when 
conducting environmental reviews under NEPA fails to account for the 
intent of a coastal restoration project, leaving important projects 
caught up in a burdensome review process. To avoid this, the discussion 
draft would direct the Administrator of NMFS, the Administrator of the 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the Chief of the Army Corps 
of Engineers to determine if coastal protection and restoration 
projects ``that are intended to provide an ecological benefit are a 
category of actions that normally do not significantly affect the 
quality of the human environment.'' \24\ If such a determination is 
made, they would be directed to establish a categorical exclusion for 
these projects. As a way of further guarding against unnecessary delay 
under NEPA, the discussion draft grant specifies that grants awarded 
under this program are not a major federal action under NEPA.
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    \24\ Discussion Draft. To require the Administrator of the National 
Marine Fisheries Service to establish a coastal protection and 
restoration grant program. Congressman Garret Graves.
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    To carry out this program, the discussion draft authorizes $500 
million per fiscal year. The legislation includes a ten-year sunset for 
these authorities. Additionally, the federal cost share cannot exceed 
80 percent. Non-federal funds to meet the cost of a project may include 
revenue sharing funds, such as those generated through the Gulf Coast 
Restoration Trust Fund.

IV. MAJOR PROVISIONS & ANALYSIS

H.R. 6352 (Rep. Moore of UT), ``Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife 
        and Recreation Act''

     Redirects tax stamp revenue from the transfer of silencers 
            from the General Treasury to the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
            Conservation Trust Fund and to the ATF.

     Requires the ATF to process applications to transfer a 
            silencer within 90 days of the application being submitted.

H.R. 8413 (Rep. Smith of NE), ``Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land 
        Conveyances Act''

     Authorizes the transfer of federal lands around the 
            Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs in Nebraska from the 
            Bureau of Reclamation to Hitchcock and Frontier Counties.

H.R. 8632 (Rep. Grothman), ``Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back and 
        Fully Erased (BIOSAFE) Act of 2024''

     Requires the USFWS to withdraw their proposed rule titled 
            ``National Wildlife Refuge System; Biological Integrity, 
            Diversity, and Environmental Health (BIDEH).''

H.R. 8836 (Rep. Zinke), ``Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act''

     Creates a ``Wildlife Movement and Movement Area Grant 
            Program'' within the DOI, to be administered by NFWF, to 
            conserve or improve habitat quality in movement areas. The 
            bill does not specify an authorized funding level for the 
            program but would authorize it through FY 2030. Grants 
            given out by the program would have a 90 percent federal 
            cost share and 50 percent of the total grant funding must 
            be allocated toward projects benefiting big game species.

     Creates a ``State and Tribal Migration Research Program'' 
            to provide funding to State and Tribes to collect and 
            analyze data on the identification, characteristics, or 
            management of movement areas. This grant program would be 
            administered by the USFWS. The bill does not specify an 
            authorized funding level for the program, but it would be 
            authorized through FY 2030. Grants given out by the program 
            would have a 90 percent federal cost share.

     Amends the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program to add 
            an emphasis on voluntary conservation of migration 
            corridors and seasonal habitat. The bill would also 
            reauthorize the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program 
            through FY 2030.

     Requires USGS to continue their Corridor Mapping Team and 
            existing corridor mapping efforts. The bill would authorize 
            an unspecified amount of funding for these activities 
            through FY 2030.

     Creates a new position, within the office of the 
            Secretary, fully dedicated to coordinating efforts to carry 
            out this act and authorize funding for this position 
            through FY 2030.

     Contains savings clause language to protect existing land 
            management practices, private property rights, public 
            access, and military readiness.

Discussion Draft of H.R. ____ (Rep. Graves of LA), To require the 
        Administrator of the National Marine Fisheries Service to 
        establish a coastal protection and restoration grant program.

     Creates a grant program at NMFS--in consultation with the 
            EPA, the Army Corps of Engineers, USFWS, NRCS, and the 
            Louisiana's Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority--
            to advance coastal protection and restoration activities in 
            the lower Mississippi watershed. Activities would include 
            the construction of non-Federal levees, building and 
            protecting barrier islands, planting vegetation, and other 
            nature-based solutions.

     Through a cooperative agreement, the program would be 
            managed and administered by the National Fish and Wildlife 
            Foundation (NFWF).

     Directs the Administrator of NMFS, the Administrator of 
            EPA, and the Chief of the Army Corps of Engineers to 
            determine if coastal restoration projects will affect 
            environmental quality; if a determination is made that they 
            do not normally affect environmental quality, they are 
            directed to develop a categorical exclusion for these 
            projects. Also states that the award of a grant under this 
            bill is not a major federal action under NEPA.

     Authorizes $500 million per fiscal year for the 10 years 
            that the program is in place.

V. EFFECT ON CURRENT LAW

H.R. 6352
https://naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/bill-to-law--
118hr6352ih.pdf
H.R. 8836
https://naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/ramseyer_-
_h.r._8836.pdf
                                     

LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON H.R. 6352, TO TRANSFER A PORTION OF THE 
 FIREARMS TRANSFER TAX IMPOSED UNDER THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE 
OF 1986 TO THE FEDERAL AID TO WILDLIFE RESTORATION FUND AND THE 
 CONSERVATION OF AMERICA'S WILDLIFE TRUST FUND, AND FOR OTHER 
    PURPOSES, ``TAX STAMP REVENUE TRANSFER FOR WILDLIFE AND 
 RECREATION ACT''; H.R. 8413, TO PROVIDE FOR THE CONVEYANCE OF 
   CERTAIN FEDERAL LAND AT SWANSON RESERVOIR AND HUGH BUTLER 
  RESERVOIR IN THE STATE OF NEBRASKA, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, 
 ``SWANSON AND HUGH BUTLER RESERVOIRS LAND CONVEYANCES ACT''; 
H.R. 8632, TO REQUIRE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR TO WITHDRAW 
     A PROPOSED RULE RELATING TO THE BIOLOGICAL INTEGRITY, 
 DIVERSITY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH OF THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE 
 REFUGE SYSTEM, ``BIODIVERSITY OVERSIGHT SCALED-BACK AND FULLY 
ERASED ACT OF 2024'', OR ``BIOSAFE ACT OF 2024''; H.R. 8836, TO 
ESTABLISH THE WILDLIFE MOVEMENT AND MOVEMENT AREA GRANT PROGRAM 
 AND THE STATE AND TRIBAL MIGRATION RESEARCH PROGRAM, AND FOR 
OTHER PURPOSES, ``WILDLIFE MOVEMENT THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS ACT''; 
  AND DISCUSSION DRAFT OF H.R. ____, (GRAVES) TO REQUIRE THE 
   ADMINISTRATOR OF THE NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERVICE TO 
  ESTABLISH A COASTAL PROTECTION AND RESTORATION GRANT PROGRAM

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                      Tuesday, September 10, 2024

                     U.S. House of Representatives

             Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and Fisheries

                     Committee on Natural Resources

                             Washington, DC

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    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:17 p.m. in 
Room 1324, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Cliff Bentz 
[Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
    Present: Representatives Bentz, Graves, LaMalfa, Carl, 
Hageman, Westerman; Huffman, and Hoyle.
    Also present: Representatives Grothman, Moore, Smith, 
Zinke; and Beyer.

    Mr. Bentz. The Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and 
Fisheries will come to order.
    Good afternoon, everyone. I want to welcome Members, 
witnesses, and our guests in the audience to today's hearing.
    Without objection, the Chair is authorized to declare a 
recess of the Subcommittee at any time.
    Under Committee Rule 4(f), any oral opening statements at 
hearings are limited to the Chairman and the Ranking Member. 
Therefore, I ask unanimous consent that all other Members' 
opening statements be made part of the hearing record if they 
are submitted in accordance with Committee Rule 3(o).
    Without objection, so ordered.
    I also ask unanimous consent that the Congressman from 
Nebraska, Mr. Smith; the Congressman from Wisconsin, Mr. 
Grothman; the Congressman from Utah, Mr. Moore; and the 
Congressman from Montana, Mr. Zinke be allowed to participate 
in today's hearing.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    We are here today to consider five legislative measures: 
H.R. 6352, the Tax Stamped Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and 
Recreation Act, sponsored by Representative Moore of Utah; H.R. 
8413, the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances 
Act, sponsored by Representative Smith of Nebraska; H.R. 8632, 
the BIOSAFE Act of 2024, sponsored by Representative Grothman 
of Wisconsin; H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement Through 
Partnerships Act, sponsored by Representative Zinke of Montana; 
and a discussion draft to require the administrator of the 
National Marine Fisheries Service to establish a Coastal 
Protection and Restoration Grant program, sponsored by 
Representative Graves of Louisiana.
    I now recognize myself for a 5-minute opening statement.

STATEMENT OF THE HON. CLIFF BENTZ, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS 
                    FROM THE STATE OF OREGON

    Mr. Bentz. I want to thank the Members that are joining us 
today and their interest in the bills we are considering.
    I also want to thank the witnesses that traveled to 
Washington to be with us. We look forward to hearing from you.
    The Foundation of American wildlife conservation is a 
``user pays'' model, where hunters and anglers fund 
conservation work through taxes and fees paid when they 
purchase hunting and fishing equipment. This model raises over 
$1 billion each year for wildlife conservation. Congressman 
Blake Moore's Tax Stamp Revenue for Wildlife Recreation Act 
would build upon this North American model by investing 
revenues from the current stamp tax paid on fire suppressors, 
firearms suppressors, into the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
Conservation Trust Fund. This bill would fix a long-standing 
anomaly that treats this tax stamp revenue differently than 
revenue collected from other taxes on firearm equipment.
    Currently, revenues from firearm suppressors goes into the 
general treasury without a stated purpose. Directing these 
revenues toward wildlife conservation would provide nearly $200 
million in additional Federal funding to save some of our 
nation's most imperiled species.
    Congressman Zinke's Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships 
Act builds upon his work as Secretary of the Interior by 
creating voluntary and incentive-based programs to conserve 
movement areas for big game and other wildlife species. The 
bill we are considering today would build upon the success 
these programs have had in conserving those species and expand 
it to others. It is important to emphasize that this bill draws 
no lines on maps and doesn't expand the Federal estate. 
Instead, it prioritizes incentive-based and voluntary efforts 
that have proven effective in conserving vital habitat for 
wildlife.
    Congressman Grothman's BIOSAFE Act addresses the U.S. Fish 
and Wildlife's BIDEH rule, regulations that are said to ensure 
the biological integrity, diversity, and environmental health 
of our nation's refuge system. This Subcommittee held an 
oversight hearing on this proposed rule back in April, and 
heard from witnesses representing state game and fish agencies, 
the agricultural community, and conservation organizations. The 
witnesses shared valuable perspectives on why this rule is bad 
for those who work in and enjoy our National Wildlife Refuge 
System, but especially bad for the wildlife relying on the 
systems and our refuges for vital habitat. Congressman 
Grothman's bill would require the Service to withdraw this 
harmful proposed rule.
    We also will be considering a discussion draft from 
Congressman Graves that addresses coastal restoration in the 
lower Mississippi River watershed. The discussion draft would 
create a 10-year grant program at NOAA Fisheries to provide 
technical assistance and financial support for coastal 
restoration activities in the region. The funding would help 
protect barrier islands, build levees, restore fish habitat, 
and other nature-based solutions. Last month, I joined Chairman 
Westerman and Congressman Graves for a field tour in South 
Louisiana, where we saw the damage that had been done to the 
Delta by separating the Mississippi River from the Delta, and 
compounded by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The importance of 
coastal restoration and the challenges these communities face 
would be addressed by this bill.
    Lastly, Congressman Adrian Smith's Swanson and Hugh Butler 
Reservoirs Land Conveyance Act would convey Federal lands to 
Frontier County and Hitchcock County, Nebraska. The conveyance 
of these lands would resolve local concerns regarding 
management of recreational lands surrounding two Bureau of 
Reclamation reservoirs.
    I want to once again thank the Members and the witnesses 
for their time and interest today. I look forward to a robust 
discussion.
    I now recognize Ranking Member Huffman for his opening 
statement.
    Mr. Huffman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before I begin, I 
would like to ask unanimous consent that Representative Don 
Beyer of Virginia have permission to join us at the dais and 
participate in the hearing today.
    Mr. Bentz. Without objection.

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. JARED HUFFMAN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
             CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

    Mr. Huffman. Thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone.
    Today, we are discussing five Republican-led bills. I wish 
that the Majority had included some of the Democrat-led bills. 
We have bipartisan candidates out there, Representative 
Scholten's Junior Duck Stamp Reauthorization bill, and these 
candidates actually comply with Republicans' suspension floor 
protocols, unlike some of the bills we are considering today.
    But despite the one-sided nature of the hearing, which is 
disappointing, a few bills do have commendable provisions 
supporting wildlife conservation and habitat. Two good 
bipartisan bills on the agenda are H.R. 8413, which transfers 
ownership of reservoir lands from the Bureau of Reclamation to 
Hitchcock and Frontier Counties, and Mr. Zinke's H.R. 8836, 
establishing a wildlife movement and migration corridor 
program. These are good bills. I support them.
    And while it is encouraging that we can still find some 
common ground on some of our goals relating to wildlife 
conservation, restoration, and coastal resilience, I do still 
have some concerns about certain provisions in the remaining 
bills.
    Starting with Mr. Moore's H.R. 6352, this would direct tax 
revenues from gun silencers to the Pittman-Robertson Act's 
Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund, which does support wildlife 
conservation across the states and territories. Theoretically, 
this is similar to existing taxes on guns, pistols, and 
ammunition. It could potentially gain bipartisan support. And I 
do know that the author means well here. But as written, this 
bill does very little for wildlife conservation, the main point 
of the Pittman-Robertson Act, but it does quite a lot for the 
gun lobby.
    In an obvious effort to promote sales of guns and 
silencers, it has a terrible provision that would amend the 
National Firearms Act to automatically approve any application 
for the sale or manufacture of silencers after 90 days, 
automatically. We shouldn't be passing bills to make it easier 
for criminals to acquire these devices and put more money in 
the pockets of the gun industry. This does nothing for wildlife 
conservation, does nothing for law abiding gun owners, and 
certainly does nothing for public safety. Silencers are 
strictly regulated because they are dangerous when they get 
into the wrong hands. They make it more difficult for law 
enforcement to track shooters, for bystanders to recognize 
gunfire and to seek safety.
    I ask unanimous consent, Mr. Chair, to enter into the 
record a letter signed by gun safety advocates and a memorandum 
from Everytown for Gun Safety outlining their serious concerns 
with this provision.
    Mr. Bentz. Without objection.

    [The information follows:]
                        Statement for the Record
                   BRADY--United Against Gun Violence
                      Fast Facts & Talking Points
 H.R. 6352: Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act

    H.R. 6352 transfers a portion of the excise tax for transferring a 
firearms suppressor and allocates tax revenues to support wildlife 
conservation and recreational activities. Additionally, this 
legislation creates a presumption that an application to make or 
transfer a silencer is considered approved after 90 calendar days have 
elapsed, regardless of whether or not the application has been 
processed or the applicant's background check has been completed.
Background: The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA)

    The NFA was the first federal firearm regulation ever enacted. This 
law, passed by Congress 90 years ago with the formal support of the 
National Rifle Association, responded to sustained and overwhelming gun 
violence perpetrated by organized criminal enterprises, as well as 
roving gangsters and bank robbers during the Prohibition Era. Congress 
heavily regulated several firearms and accessories that it viewed as 1) 
``particularly dangerous'' and 2) lacking a legitimate use, including 
silencers, machine guns, sawed-off shotguns, and short-barreled rifles 
(all of which are defined as ``firearms'' under the NFA).\1\
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    \1\ National Firearms Act: Hearings on H.R. 9066 Before the H. 
Comm. on Ways and Means, 73d Cong. 4 (1934) (``NFA House Hearings'') 
(Statement of Homer S. Cummings, Att'y Gen. of the United States).
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    The regulatory framework of the NFA is enforced by the imposition 
of a tax on the making and transfer of weapons defined by the Act, as 
well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in 
the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA weapons. 
NFA firearms are subject to registration, a $200 transfer tax (which 
has not been increased since 1934), and an extensive background check 
which requires the submission of a photograph and fingerprints. 
Individuals who violate the NFA are liable for up to 10 years in prison 
and/or up to $250,000 in fines.
    Today, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 
(ATF) is responsible for processing all NFA applications. In December 
2021, ATF launched their ``eForm'' system, which processes all 
electronically submitted applications, drastically reducing processing 
times for applications to manufacture or transfer an NFA-covered 
firearm.
    Silencers, also known as suppressors or mufflers, are designed to 
muffle, distort, and diminish the sound of gunfire.\2\ They make it 
more difficult for victims, bystanders, and law enforcement to 
recognize and react to gunfire and to identify shooters.
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    \2\ 18 U.S.C. Sec. 921(a)(24).
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Talking Points

    This legislation is solving a problem which largely no longer 
exists:

     Prior to the implementation of the eForm for NFA 
            application submissions, approval times for silencers could 
            take 6-8 months, as such applications would need to be 
            processed by hand.

     After implementation of eForm, processing times are 
            dramatically reduced.

     While the legislation approves, by default, applications 
            that take longer than 90 days, applications for NFA Form 1 
            or Form 4, the applications in question for making or 
            transferring silencers, currently take on average 55 days 
            and 69 days to process, respectively.

     In fact, two large silencer retailers, Silencer Central 
            and the Silencer Shop, have claimed that their customers 
            have been approved in as little as three to seven days, 
            respectively.

     Despite being woefully underfunded, ATF has vastly 
            increased its efficiency, processing over 1,000,000 NFA 
            applications in 2023, nearly double the just over 512,000 
            NFA applications processed in 2020, the year before the 
            implementation of eForm.

    The current NFA process is very effective at preventing criminal 
misuse and should not be altered:

     By all measures, the NFA has been an unmitigated success, 
            as NFA-registered weapons are almost never recovered in 
            crime.

            +  While firearms that are covered by the NFA are recovered 
        at crime scenes, nearly all are unregistered and illegally 
        produced.

     In fact, among NFA-registered weapon owners, there were 
            only 12 felony convictions between 2006 and 2014, and none 
            of those crimes involved their NFA-registered firearm.

     Only rarely have major crimes been perpetrated with an 
            NFA-registered firearm:

            +  In May 2019, a shooter used a .45 caliber pistol 
        equipped with a legally registered silencer to kill 12 and 
        injure 4 others at the Virginia Beach Municipal Center in 
        Virginia Beach, VA. Despite the shooter having fired dozens of 
        rounds both inside and outside the building, most individuals 
        who were present could not identify that a shooting was taking 
        place, and did not flee the building.

            +  A former Los Angeles police officer used lawfully 
        registered silencers during a two-day killing spree in 2013, 
        leading to the death of 4 victims, including two law 
        enforcement officers.

    This bill places the onus of processing applications entirely on 
ATF, however, ATF is not solely responsible for completing 
applications:

     ATF relies on the National Instant Criminal Background 
            Check System (NICS) to complete background checks on 
            applicants.

     When ATF processes applications it initiates a background 
            check at NICS, which will return one of three possible 
            replies: ``proceed'' (the purchaser is not prohibited), 
            ``denied'' (the purchaser is prohibited), or ``delayed'' 
            (if the purchaser's background check requires further 
            investigation due to incomplete records).

     NICS relies on records uploaded to its databases by 
            federal, state, and local governments, and because that 
            information may not be completely up to date, completing 
            investigations into backgrounds can be delayed 
            significantly.

     NICS cannot compel state and local agencies to comply with 
            record requests, and are reliant on information voluntarily 
            provided.

    This bill creates a loophole that would increase the chances of 
criminal misuse of silencers:

     This legislation creates a default approval after 90 days 
            for applications to make or transfer silencers, greatly 
            increasing the chances that a prohibited individual would 
            be able to access them.

     Background checks for non-NFA firearms already are subject 
            to a ``default proceed'' (commonly known as the Charleston 
            Loophole), which has led to over 58,000 prohibited 
            individuals accessing firearms since 2008.

            +  Creating a default approval for silencer applications 
        would almost certainly lead to prohibited individuals accessing 
        them.

            +  NFA, determined to be particularly dangerous by 
        Congress, should be held to a higher standard for ensuring 
        lawful transfers and manufacture.

     Processing times for paper applications are much longer 
            for Form 1 and Form 4, 100 days and 232 days, respectively. 
            As these applications are processed by hand, this 
            legislation would incentivize prohibited individuals to 
            rely on the 90 day default approval to access silencers 
            before their prohibited status could be uncovered.

            +  Without a corresponding large increase in ATF staff and 
        resources to process applications, most paper applications 
        would enter the default approval.

     Even a single individual with a silencer can inflict 
            terrible damage in a short period of time.

    The Natural Resources Committee does not have jurisdiction over the 
National Firearms Act or ATF.

     The Committees of jurisdiction are Ways and Means and 
            Judiciary, respectively.

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                        Statement for the Record
                        EVERYTOWN FOR GUN SAFETY
                            Oppose H.R. 6352
       Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act

                                 *****

    Executive Summary: Everytown for Gun Safety opposes H.R. 6352, the 
Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act. This 
legislation, among other things, would:

     Appropriate 15% of the net revenues of the transfer tax on 
            silencers to be made available to ATF's National Firearms 
            Act Division for the purpose of expediting the approval 
            process for making or transferring silencers; and,

     Require the default approval of applications for making or 
            transfer silencers after 90 days.

    In addition, H.R. 6352 would require 85% of the net revenues of the 
transfer tax on silencers to be appropriated to the Fish and Wildlife 
Service to carry out programs under the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
Restoration Act, including those that provide funding for hunter and 
recreational shooter recruitment as well as a new program to 
``construct, maintain, expand, or operate public target ranges.''

    Everytown opposes H.R. 6352 because it would make it easier for 
individuals to acquire silencers through both expedited application 
processing and default approval. Default approval would also create a 
substantial risk that someone who is prohibited from purchasing or 
possessing a silencer is able to do so anyway. While Everytown does not 
oppose funding for federal hunter education and safety programs, 
Everytown encourages Congress to instead allocate funds derived from 
federal taxes on firearms and ammunition to federal gun violence 
prevention programs.

    Background on Silencers: Silencers are devices that help dampen a 
firearm's sound signature and eliminate its muzzle flash by allowing 
the hot gasses that follow a bullet down the barrel to expand and cool 
before hitting the air outside of the gun. Silencers work like car 
mufflers, but for firearms. As a result, it is more difficult to 
determine where a shot originated when a silencer has been used for 
both the public--to run, hide, or protect others--and for law 
enforcement in investigating gun crimes.

    Silencers have also been used in high-profile mass shootings, 
including in Monterey Park, California, in January 2023, and Virginia 
Beach, in May 2019. In Monterey Park, the shooter used an assault 
weapon equipped with a silencer to kill 11 and wound nine others at a 
Lunar New Year celebration. In Virginia Beach, the shooter also used 
two pistols, including one equipped with a silencer, to kill 12 and 
wound four others at a government office building. One Virginia Beach 
survivor said that the shooter's suppressed firearm sounded like ``a 
nail gun,'' and explained that ``[i]f it was a regular gunshot, we 
would've definitely known a lot sooner, even if we would've had 30 or 
60 seconds more. I think we could've all secured ourselves . . . all of 
us could've barricaded ourselves in.''

    The firearms industry and the gun lobby claim that silencers are 
just safety accessories that reduce noise levels to prevent hearing 
loss for hunters, but hearing protection--including earplugs and/or 
earmuffs--is still recommended when using silencer-equipped firearms to 
prevent hearing loss.

    Silencer Regulation: Congress has regulated silencers since the 
National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934. The NFA imposed strict 
registration requirements on silencers: Individuals who seek to make or 
purchase them must submit an application to ATF with their 
fingerprints, a passport-style photograph, and a $200 tax stamp, and 
undergo an enhanced background check. Congress intended ``to curtail, 
if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms,'' including silencers, 
machineguns, and short-barreled rifles because these weapons ``pose[d] 
a significant crime problem'' due to their ``frequent use.'' The tax 
itself ``was considered quite severe and adequate to carry out 
Congress' purpose to discourage or eliminate transactions in these 
firearms,'' though it has not been raised or adjusted for inflation 
since 1934.

    Current Silencer Trends: As of January 2024, there were a total of 
3.5 million registered silencers in the United States. More than 
830,000 of those silencers were purchased and registered in the 32 
months between May 2021 and January 2024. Explanations for this 
dramatic increase include:

     In December 2021, ATF began using a new online ``eForms'' 
            system to speed up the NFA application approval process. 
            eForms allows individuals and members of the firearms 
            industry to file certain forms electronically rather than 
            via paper applications.

     Silencer retailers have worked to streamline the silencer-
            buying process. For instance, retailers prepare NFA 
            applications for customers, send customers fingerprinting 
            kits, and even ship silencers directly to their doors, 
            cutting out brick-and-mortar stores.

     More companies are making silencers today than ever 
            before, including gun makers like Sig Sauer and Ruger. 
            Smith & Wesson purchased a large silencer manufacturer in 
            2017, and other gun makers like CZ-USA, Daniel Defense, FN, 
            Primary Weapons Systems, and Savage Arms have all added 
            firearms to their own catalogs in addition to the many 
            firearms that come with threaded barrels to accept 
            silencers.

    As of August 1, 2024, the average processing time for ATF Form 4 
from an individual is 69 days if filed as an eForm and 232 days if 
filed as a paper application.

    Federal Funding: Under current law, revenues generated through 
excise taxes on firearms and ammunition provide funding for Pittman-
Robertson wildlife restoration programs and hunter safety and education 
programs, but Congress should allocate some portion or even all of 
these funds to support federal gun violence prevention programs. These 
programs should include, among others, school safety efforts, violence 
intervention programs, public health research on gun violence, 
resources for survivors, and law enforcement purposes, such as forensic 
training to improve gun crime clearance rates or illegal firearm 
surrender.

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Huffman. Thank you. There is already, by the way, a way 
for lawful citizens to apply electronically for silencer 
permits. These are granted in under 70 days. A less secure 
paper application, however, takes about 200 days, which means 
that if this bill were to pass, criminals would be invited to 
exploit its 90-day provision by filing the less secure paper 
application and then waiting for automatic approval. It is just 
terrible public policy.
    Moving on to Mr. Graves' discussion draft, it proposes a 
$500 million annual grant program to fund flood protection and 
habitat restoration projects in coastal Louisiana. I think Mr. 
Graves is trying to do a good thing on behalf of his region, 
which I too, Mr. Chairman, have visited, and I understand the 
urgent need for these restoration and resiliency projects to 
strengthen flood protection, to mitigate the impacts of sea 
level rise, and restore vital habitats that act as the first 
line of defense against climate change-driven extreme weather. 
So, I am very sympathetic to what Mr. Graves is trying to do 
here, and would be willing to work with him on making this a 
broadly bipartisan bill if he is open to a few changes 
involving problematic provisions.
    The categorical exclusion is a problem. It is overbroad. 
Exempting large-scale projects like levees and sediment 
diversion from essential fish habitat consultation could 
actually harm fisheries and wildlife, and potentially worsen 
flooding for certain communities. And by the way, essential 
fish habitat consultation is not a big deal. It is non-binding.
    So, if Mr. Graves is open to working with me on these 
things, I think we could make this a very broadly bipartisan 
bill, and I would like to try to do that.
    Finally, Mr. Grothman's bill would cancel the Fish and 
Wildlife Service's proposed biodiversity rule, the so-called 
BIDEH rule for our National Wildlife Refuge System. It was 
clear in our April hearing on this subject that some Members do 
lack a basic understanding of the BIDEH rule, which the Fish 
and Wildlife Service clarified repeatedly at that hearing, that 
current practices such as cooperative agriculture, hunting, 
fishing, and wildlife viewing will not be affected by this 
rulemaking. Some Members prefer to just traffic in false claims 
and conspiracy theories, but those are the actual facts.
    I would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the 
record an opposition letter to this bill from dozens of 
wildlife organizations.
    And I will just note in closing that the bill is also 
premature, since Fish and Wildlife Service has not yet even 
finalized the rule.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I look forward to the testimony.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. Without objection, your offer is accepted.

    [The information follows:]
                                             September 10, 2024    

Hon. Cliff Bentz, Chairman
Hon. Jared Huffman, Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife, and Fisheries
House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Dear Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member Huffman:

    On behalf of our organizations and our millions of members and 
supporters we are writing to express our strong opposition to the 
``Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back And Fully Erased (BIOSAFE) Act,'' 
(H.R. 8632), one of the bills being heard today by the Subcommittee.
    As the only network of lands and waters dedicated to wildlife 
conservation, the National Wildlife Refuge System's importance to 
American biodiversity cannot be overstated. Unprecedented challenges 
threaten the System's viability, including climate change, habitat 
loss, and the proliferation of invasive species, to name a few.
    The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's (Service or FWS) proposed 
rule--``NationalWildlife Refuge System: Biological Integrity, 
Diversity, and Environmental Health'' (BIDEH)--seeks to address these 
challenges by creating a science-driven management framework that 
favors natural conditions and processes. Regrettably, the so-called 
BIOSAFE Act would require the withdrawal of the proposed rule, 
undermining the Service's mandates under the National Wildlife Refuge 
System Administration Act of 1966, as amended (Refuge Act).
    The BIDEH mandate is a visionary directive requiring FWS to 
``protect the [Refuge] System and individual refuges from threats'' \1\ 
by ``ensur[ing] that the biological integrity, diversity, and 
environmental health of the System are maintained for the benefit of 
present and future generations of Americans.'' \2\ Following its 
passage into law, the Service adopted a BIDEH policy in 2001 but did 
not promulgate regulations addressing specific threats such as 
pesticide or agricultural use. The proposed rule and updated policy 
finally rectify this shortcoming by providing common-sense management 
direction addressing activities with the potential to harm BIDEH.
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    \1\ H.R. Rep. No. 105-106, at 10 (1997).
    \2\ 16 U.S.C. Sec. 668dd(a)(4)(B).
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    This strategic approach is just as Congress intended. The Refuge 
System must be managed for wildlife as a cohesive unit of nearly 600 
refuges, while affording managers the flexibility to achieve the 
establishment purposes of their individual refuges. Because the Service 
accomplishes both with the proposed rule, we strongly support the 
agency's approach and oppose the BIOSAFE Act.

    Thank you for your attention.

            Sincerely,

        American Bird Conservancy     Los Angeles Audubon Society

        Andover Pollinator Pathway    Maryland Pesticide Education 
                                      Network

        Animal Welfare Institute      Massachusetts Pollinator Network

        Bat Conservation 
        International                 Mountain Lion Foundation

        Bee Friendly Williamstown     National Wolfwatcher Coalition

        Bird Alliance of Oregon 
        (formerly Portland Audubon)   Natural Resources Defense Council

        Center for Biological 
        Diversity                     NH Audubon
        Center For Food Safety        North Central Washington Audubon 
                                      Society

        Central/Eastern Oregon 
        Bitterbrush Broadband         Northeast Earth Coalition

        Checkerspot Farm              NYC Plover Project

        Christian Council of 
        Delmarva                      Oregon Natural Desert Association

        Coalition on the 
        Environment and Jewish Life   People Against Toxic Herbicides 
                                      (PATH)

        Defenders of Wildlife         Pepper K Woods

        Earthjustice                  Pollinate Minnesota

        Endangered Habitats League    Pollinator Networks

        Endangered Species 
        Coalition                     Pollinator Stewardship Council

        Environmental Protection 
        Information Center--EPIC      Predator Defense

        FOGH (Friends of Grays 
        Harbor)                       Resource Renewal Institute

        FOUR PAWS USA                 Rocky Mountain Wild

        Friends of the Earth          Save the Manatee Club

        Friends of the Sonoran 
        Desert                        Southern Environmental Law Center

        Friends of the White Salmon 
        River                         Species Unite

        Friends of the WI Wolf and 
        Wildlife                      The #RelistWolves Campaign

        Grays Harbor Audubon 
        Society                       The Conservation Angler

        Great Lakes Wildlife 
        Alliance                      The Urban Wildlands Group

        Grow Native Massachusetts     The Xerces Society for 
                                      Invertebrate Conservation

        Howling For Wolves            Washington Wildlife First

        Humane Action Pennsylvania    Waterkeeper Alliance

        Humane Action Pittsburgh      Watertown Citizens for Peace, 
                                      Justice, and the Environment

        IFAW--International Fund 
        for Animal Welfare            Western Nebraska Resources 
                                      Council

        International Wildlife 
        Coexistence Network           Western Watersheds Project

        Kettle Range Conservation 
        Group                         WildEarth Guardians

        League of Conservation 
        Voters                        Wyoming Wildlife Advocates

        Let Us Farm

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Huffman. Thank you.
    Mr. Bentz. I will now introduce our first panel. As is 
typical with legislative hearings, the bills' sponsors are 
recognized for 5 minutes each to discuss their bills.
    With us today is Congressman Graves, who is recognized for 
5 minutes.

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. GARRET GRAVES, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
              CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF LOUISIANA

    Mr. Graves. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think I like this 
where we do a whole bunch of bills that Huffman hates. Because 
then he has to split his talking points to 20 seconds per bill. 
And I think we should keep doing this. I like it, no, 
seriously, Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing.
    And Mr. Huffman, I absolutely would welcome your input on 
the legislation. And I do appreciate your travel down there, 
where we went and looked at the coastal crisis that we are 
experiencing in Louisiana.
    And for those of you that aren't familiar with what is 
going on, coastal Louisiana has lost about 2,000 square miles 
of our coast, and it is like taking the land area of the entire 
state of Delaware and wiping it off the map. And these aren't 
just areas that are insignificant. As numerous analyses have 
determined, including from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 
some of the most important ecological productivity and some of 
the most abundant wildlife on the entire continent is being 
lost.
    And as we have seen through storms like Hurricane Katrina, 
Ida, Laura, Delta, Zeta, Isaac, Gustav, Ike, and many others; 
in fact, Hurricane Francine is bearing down on us today, and 
will start pounding the people that we represent tomorrow, and 
that loss of buffer through our coastal areas means that our 
citizens are now more vulnerable to death, destruction, to loss 
of property, to loss of life, and to loss of that important 
habitat.
    There is a reason that our Chairman's state of Arkansas 
does not evacuate whenever hurricanes come, and it is because 
they have a buffer. It is called the state of Louisiana. And 
our buffer is now gone. It is disappearing. And without 
aggressive action, we are going to see an additional 2,000 to 
2,500 square miles of land that will disappear in the next 50 
years.
    I said a minute ago that this area is not insignificant. I 
want to talk more about the importance of this area that we 
represent, the importance of this area that is the subject of 
this legislation. If you are a fan of historic preservation, 
the history of New Orleans, one day Google Fort Livingston, an 
incredibly historic fort that is in crumbles, falling into the 
Gulf of Mexico, one of the most important ports in the entire 
United States. It is the reason that the Louisiana Purchase was 
acquired.
    Today, we produce, refine, and transport one of the largest 
percentages of energy in the United States, a huge contribution 
to our energy independence, our energy security in the United 
States. It ends up being one of the second largest sources of 
revenue for the United States Treasury, the energy production 
off the coast of Louisiana. We are home to 5 of the top 15 
ports in the nation. We are the second biggest commercial 
fisheries state in the United States.
    And I am going to make note, Mr. Chairman, that is because 
Alaska is allowed to weigh the king crab shells. You don't eat 
that part. I don't think it is fair. I am going to call us No. 
1.
    So, we have massive commercial fisheries production. We are 
one of the top recreational fishing destinations in the nation. 
I could go on and on. This state is nationally important, and 
the reason that we have such a coastal crisis right now is 
because of the rest of the country. And I will explain.
    Right now, we are one of the largest watersheds in the 
world. And as the Chair and Ranker have heard me say over and 
over again, we drain Montana, New York, and Canadian provinces 
all through our state. Our state inputs less than 1 percent of 
the water into the Mississippi River, less than 1 percent. Yet, 
we deal with everyone's water, which means we flood because of 
everyone else, including from Canada.
    And as a result of that and the great flood of 1927, 
massive levees were put up on the river system, which went from 
our state accreting or growing three-quarters of a square mile 
a year to immediately seeing a loss of anywhere on the low end 
from 5 or 6 square miles a year to, the high end, over 200 
square miles in a single year. That was in the aftermath of 
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005.
    If any of you had a state where you were seeing such 
massive loss, loss of where your homes and businesses are, loss 
of ecological productivity, loss of economic value, of 
community being destroyed and broken up, you would be fighting. 
You would be fighting to give these areas a chance to help 
restore, to help fight back. And that is exactly what this 
legislation does.
    Lastly, Mr. Chairman, as Ranking Member Huffman noted, 
subsidence is a big part of the problem that we are 
experiencing. Some of the fastest subsidence or sinking rates 
in the world are happening in Louisiana. We are one of 35 
coastal states and territories. But because of our subsidence 
rates, what is happening to us is what is projected to happen 
in terms of relative sea rise to other coastal states and 
territories, which means the solutions that we develop in 
Louisiana are going to have national and international 
scalability and application. We have to get this right. This 
legislation helps to address that.
    I urge support. I look forward to hearing from our 
witnesses, and yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Congressman Grothman 
for 5 minutes.

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. GLENN GROTHMAN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
              CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WISCONSIN

    Mr. Grothman. Thank you, Chairman Bentz and the 
Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and Fisheries, for allowing me 
to speak on H.R. 8632, the BIOSAFE Act.
    As we all know, on February 2, the United States FWS, under 
the guise of the Department of the Interior, proposed the 
National Wildlife Refuge System Biological Integrity, 
Diversity, and Environmental Health Rule. If finalized, the 
rule would impose new regulations prioritizing policies within 
the Green New Deal agenda, rather than decades of local hunting 
conservation strategies.
    In Wisconsin, we have something called the Conservation 
Congress made up of any hunter and fisherman across the state. 
Every year they have hearings. They get things down to how are 
things going to be handled county by county. It has been a 
delicate process, lasting decades. I can't believe anybody is 
going to be arrogant enough to think the Federal Government can 
stick its nose in here and do better than these local people.
    But included in this proposal are changes in the decision-
making process, stripping the authority of local biologists and 
placing final policy decisions for local hunters and anglers in 
the hands of Washington, DC. The bureaucratic red tape's sole 
purpose is to restrict existing effective habitat management 
and limit hunting opportunities and public access. The rule had 
its commentary period extended to 60 days, and has received a 
total of 54,000 criticisms from the general public.
    A total of 29 outside groups joined in a unified letter to 
Director Martha Williams, expressing their opposition to the 
rule and requesting an immediate rescission.
    Clearly it is mine and many others' belief that, without 
proper action from Congress, many local conservationists, as 
mentioned in the previous hearing held by this Subcommittee on 
the same topic, will face iron-handed prohibitions. Even 
outside organizations like the National Shooting Sports 
Foundation, who pride themselves in being professionals on the 
topic, have stated that the BIDEH rule would dismantle over a 
century's worth of proven results that active participation in 
wildlife conservation has yielded.
    Others, working hand in hand with Fish and Wildlife, have 
directed and assisted in successful policies, believe the 
updated BIDEH rule would have negative outcomes and 
deleteriously impact wildlife resources. Many believe this new 
ruling to be unaligned with the National Refuge System 
Improvement Act, enacted in 1997 to protect the more than 560 
national wildlife refuges.
    I look at my own district, Horicon Marsh, all we have done 
to protect it, so carefully regulated. And boom, the Federal 
Government is going to come in there and say, ``We know best.''
    Should this ruling be finalized, we will see the 
introduction of new procedures and directives that complicate 
the environmental, biological, and ecological metrics for local 
refuge managers. These policies would leave the door wide open 
for increased inconsistency in local priorities, and therefore 
foster the advancement of goals that directly conflict with the 
fixed mission of the refuge.
    State and local refuge managers are responsible for 
adopting procedures that best suit the refuge's specific needs 
and demands. For example, Wisconsin has 10 separate wildlife 
refuges. Each refuge has different priorities, ranging from 
protection of the greater sandhill crane to the restoration of 
landscapes aligned with the prairie oak savanna. In fact, 
Horicon Marsh, which is within Fond du Lac County and Dodge 
County, is one of the largest freshwater marshes in the United 
States, and is a critical rest stop for thousands of migrating 
ducks and Canadian geese.
    We have had local people who have dealt with this their 
entire life. The idea that we are going to have a bunch of 
Federal bureaucrats come in with their own rules, you guys 
don't care, but I will tell you people are just going to go 
ballistic in Wisconsin when they see the final law, final 
result of this.
    Local associations are responsible for state and local 
refuge management. The individuals specified being affected by 
this rule were ``disappointed that the Service failed to 
incorporate their concerns during the pre-decisional time frame 
of the BIDEH rule. Their dissatisfaction with the rule centered 
primarily around restrictions on conservation farming and 
predator control. Wisconsin, ranking 11th among U.S. states in 
food, forestry, and agriculture exports would experience 
devastating effects as their future is determined by 
bureaucrats in Wisconsin.''
    Enacting my bill, the BIOSAFE Act, would be a major win for 
conservationists and avid hunters around the country. Again, I 
urge the United States FWS to reverse course on this rule and 
support policies recognizing the benefits our greatest 
conservationists and American farmers provide to our wildlife 
system. And man, they do a good job. Why do we have to say they 
don't? I don't know.
    Thank you.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Congressman Zinke for 
5 minutes.

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. RYAN K. ZINKE, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
               CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MONTANA

    Mr. Zinke. Thank you, Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member 
Huffman, for the opportunity to testify in favor of H.R. 8836.
    I learned a lot as a Secretary. I went around to the 
states. And one of the areas of concern was the Montana that I 
grew up in has largely changed. When I grew up, public access 
wasn't an issue, roads weren't closed, wildlife was everywhere. 
But Montana, like most of the West, has changed. More people 
have moved in, and the pressure on public lands and private 
lands has continued to grow and will grow.
    So, part of our job is, as I think of Montana and the 
Congress, is that quite frankly, we inherited a lot of the West 
and the outdoor experience from the great ones, Roosevelt, 
Muir, Congress before, a lot of the Acts. The job of this 
Congress in the future is to defend and protect the future. And 
part of the future is making sure that the systems are healthy, 
and that includes watershed, wildlife corridors, flyways. 
Because it is the systems themselves that provide overall 
habitat protection and health of our environment and the 
outdoor experience that we all love.
    As Secretary, I was in coordination with most of the 
conservation groups. We established improving habitat quality 
and Western big game, winter range and migration corridors. And 
a lot of it was experience I had in Utah and mule deer in an 
area which was mule deer, wildlife corridors probably for 
millennia. It was now a development. And we tracked and put a 
lot of resources in to determine where those wildlife corridors 
were, and which wildlife corridors were under attack, and which 
wildlife corridors could be repaired.
    And this bill does a lot. It isn't as far reaching as I 
would like, but it is a start. And in this city, where 
everything is hyper-partisan sometimes, it is, I think, 
refreshing to have bipartisanship on something that shouldn't 
be a Republican or Democrat issue. Our public lands, I would 
think, were an American issue and that we all have an 
obligation to protect.
    So with that, what this bill does, it authorizes funding 
for programs such as wildlife movement area grant programs. It 
clarifies which species are eligible. Again, this is a start. 
As we evolve, other species will no doubt be included. It 
clarifies and builds upon the work the Department of the 
Interior began in coordination with state governments and 
landowners. Because wildlife corridors are not just on public 
lands or private lands, they are mixed, and I think we have a 
shared obligation to make sure those corridors and the systems 
are protected.
    I would also like to thank Representative Beyer, my friend 
from the great state of Virginia, for joining this bill and 
offering that some things rise above partisanship, and 
certainly maybe this will be a step of greater things to come.
    With that, I would also like to thank some of the sponsors: 
Boone and Crockett Club, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, 
Congressional Sportsmen, and there are others.
    Mr. Chairman, I thank you again for your leadership and 
work in bringing this bill and others. I look forward to 
answering any questions, and I look forward to the remainder of 
the testimony.
    With that, I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. I now recognize Congressman Blake Moore for 5 
minutes.

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. BLAKE D. MOORE, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF UTAH

    Mr. Moore. Thank you, Chairman Bentz and Chairman 
Westerman, for including the Stamp Act Revenue Transfer for 
Wildlife and Recreation Act in today's hearing. It is great to 
be back in the Natural Resources Committee.
    And also to the Ranking Member, a good friend. While we 
have some disagreements over this piece of legislation, it is 
great to be back in Committee with you.
    Currently, excise taxes collected on gun, ammunition, and 
archery equipment sales are deposited into the Pittman-
Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund to be passed to 
states for wildlife conservation and hunter education. My bill 
builds upon the model and reallocates revenue collected from 
firearm suppressor sales into that trust fund, significantly 
increasing the money available to states and supercharging 
wildlife and habitat conservation and recreation programs.
    To be clear, my bill would not create a new tax when 
purchasing a suppressor. It would instead reallocate funds from 
the existing $200 tax stamp that applicants are required to pay 
when purchasing a suppressor to conservation efforts. This is a 
reallocation of what exists to going to something that, anybody 
looking at it objectively, Pittman-Robertson has seen a 
significant impact in the efforts that it is trying to 
accomplish, in the conservation efforts. This is entirely about 
putting more resources towards things that have had a good 
track record, and something that we should be continuing to 
promote. This is a win-win for outdoor enthusiasts and 
conservationists alike.
    I appreciate the opportunity to work with my colleagues in 
the Committee to protect and improve this bill by ensuring that 
a portion of the revenue is used to fund important programs 
such as veteran suicide prevention, firearm safety, and 
education programs for children, all while bringing more 
resources to our state wildlife conservation programs.
    Thank you to Mr. Schmitz for being here today, and to 
America's sportsmen and women who have shown broad support for 
this bill.
    Finally, Mr. Chairman, I would like to submit a letter from 
the Backcountry Hunters & Anglers expressing support for H.R. 
6352 for the record.
    Mr. Bentz. Without objection.

    [The information follows:]

                     Backcountry Hunters & Anglers

                              Missoula, MT

                                             September 10, 2024    

Hon. Bruce Westerman, Chairman
Hon. Raul Grijalva, Ranking Member
House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Dear Chairman Westerman and Ranking Member Grijalva:

    On behalf of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA), the voice for our 
wild public lands, waters and wildlife, I write to express our support 
for the Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act 
(H.R. 6352) led by Reps. Blake Moore (R-UT) and Jared Golden (D-ME). We 
thank you for your leadership in considering this bipartisan 
legislation which would build upon the proud legacy of sportsmen and 
women led conservation in the United States through the ``user pays--
public benefits'' model and expand the source of funding for the 
Pittman Robertson Wildlife Restoration Fund.

    By redirecting 85% of the revenue generated from the existing $200 
federal tax stamp on suppressor purchases from the Treasury General 
Account to the Wildlife Restoration Fund, H.R. 6352 would provide 
significant benefits for fish and wildlife across the United States. 
The amount of new funding that would be directed should this 
legislation become law was estimated to approach $200 million in the 
2024 fiscal year. This would represent a more than 10% increase in 
federal funding to support state fish and wildlife agencies' 
conservation efforts, law enforcement, and hunter recruitment.

    Additionally, 15% of the redirected funds would be utilized for the 
development and maintenance of public shooting ranges. Supporting 
designated shooting ranges will improve opportunities for hunters to 
prepare for an ethical harvest before going into the field, enhance 
public safety, and reduce litter from dispersed shooting on public 
lands.

    As hunters and anglers, we ask the committee to advance H.R. 6352 
for the benefit of fish and wildlife across the United States. Doing so 
will ensure opportunities for current and future generations of 
hunters, anglers, and outdoor enthusiasts. We look forward to advancing 
our shared priorities into law.

            Sincerely,

                                            Kaden McArthur,
                                       Government Relations Manager

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Moore. Thank you again for this opportunity to speak on 
my bill, and I yield back the remainder of my time.
    Mr. Bentz. I want to thank the Members for their testimony. 
I will now introduce our second panel.
    Mr. Steve Guertin, Deputy Director for Program Management 
with U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Washington, DC; Mr. 
Steve Cochran, former Executive Director of Restore the 
Mississippi River Delta in New Orleans, Louisiana; Mr. Paul 
Nichols, Chairman of the Hitchcock County Board of 
Commissioners in Trenton, Nebraska; Mr. Mike Leahy, Senior 
Director of Wildlife Hunting and Fishing Policy with the 
National Wildlife Federation in Washington, DC; and Mr. Taylor 
Schmitz, Director of Government Relations of the Congressional 
Sportsmen's Foundation in Washington, DC.
    Let me remind the witnesses that under Committee Rules, 
they must limit their oral statements to 5 minutes but their 
entire statement will appear in the hearing record.
    To begin your testimony, please press the ``on'' button on 
the microphone.
    We use timing lights. When you begin, the light will turn 
green. When you have 1 minute remaining, the light will turn 
yellow. At the end of 5 minutes, the light will turn red, and I 
will ask each of you to please complete your statement.
    I will also allow all witnesses to testify before Member 
questioning.
    I now recognize Mr. Guertin for 5 minutes.

    STATEMENT OF STEVE GUERTIN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR PROGRAM 
    MANAGEMENT AND POLICY, U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, 
           DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Guertin. Good afternoon, Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member 
Huffman, and members of the Subcommittee. I appreciate the 
opportunity to testify before you today on three bills: (1) 
concerning revenue for the Wildlife Restoration Fund; (2) the 
Services proposed Biological Integrity, Diversity and 
Environmental Health, or BIDEH, rule and policy updates; and 
(3) authorizing additional support for conserving wildlife 
corridors.
    The Wildlife Restoration Fund is one of the longest running 
and most successful conservation efforts in the country. We 
support Section 4 of H.R. 6352, as it increases funding for 
this successful program. The Fund has provided billions of 
dollars to support wildlife and habitat conservation. The Fund 
has supported the construction, operation, and maintenance of 
more than 800 target shooting ranges, and helped over 640,000 
people annually participate in hunter education programs. This 
Fund directly supports state-led conservation and recreation 
efforts across the country, and is one of the most widely 
supported conservation programs that we administer.
    We support increasing revenue for the Fund, and would 
welcome the opportunity to discuss some technical details on 
implementation of Section 4 of this legislation.
    Beyond Section 4, this legislation also includes provisions 
related to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and 
the Service defers to them on those provisions.
    The Service opposes H.R. 8632, which directs the Secretary 
of the Interior to withdraw our proposed BIDEH rule and policy 
updates, which we will refer to as our BIDEH proposal.
    Since issuing our current policy back in 2001, conservation 
challenges have evolved. Refuge species and habitats are 
increasingly threatened by climate change, biodiversity loss, 
and other stressors. To help refuge managers better address 
these threats, we released our BIDEH proposal on February 2. 
The intent of our proposal was to provide a more consistent, 
transparent, and science-based approach to upholding ecological 
integrity on individual refuges and across the refuge system.
    The proposal would standardize and clarify the existing 
processes refuge managers use to make management decisions. It 
does not ban any management practices, nor remove refuge 
managers' decision-making authority, or supersede the National 
Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act's other mandates.
    We appreciate the strong public interest in the proposal. 
At the Committee's request, we extended the public comment 
period on the proposal for 60 days, during which time we 
conducted significant outreach to partners and stakeholders. 
That public comment period closed on May 6, and we received 
over 200,000 comments. We take seriously the feedback we 
received, and we are currently reviewing the comments to 
identify substantive issues that were raised.
    And last, the Service supports the intent of H.R. 8836, 
which would align with several existing initiatives that 
support the conservation of wildlife corridors and partnership 
with states, tribes, and private landowners.
    Habitat loss and fragmentation are widely recognized as 
some of the most important threats to biodiversity. Through our 
Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program, Private Lands Program, 
our Science Applications Program, and a cooperative agreement 
with the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, we are 
currently invested in conserving important big game movement 
areas across the West and removing barriers to wildlife.
    H.R. 8836 would also reauthorize our successful Partners 
for Fish and Wildlife Program, which supports voluntary 
conservation efforts across the country. For example, in Fiscal 
Year 2023 the Partners program worked with private landowners 
to complete almost 1,900 projects and enhance over 180,000 
acres of habitat and 215 miles of streams.
    We strongly support reauthorization of this key program so 
we can continue to work closely with private landowners on 
locally-led conservation efforts. We would welcome the 
opportunity to work with Congressman Zinke and the Subcommittee 
staff to provide technical assistance on H.R. 8836 to ensure 
that the conservation efforts authorized under this legislation 
are able to be effectively implemented and are not duplicative 
of ongoing efforts.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today, and I would 
be pleased to answer any questions the Committee has.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Guertin follows:]
Prepared Statement of Stephen Guertin, Deputy Director for Policy, U.S. 
         Fish and Wildlife Service, Department of the Interior
                 on H.R. 6352, H.R. 8632, and H.R. 8836

Introduction

    Good afternoon, Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, and Members 
of the Subcommittee. I am Stephen Guertin, Deputy Director for Policy 
for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) within the Department 
of the Interior (Department). I appreciate the opportunity to testify 
before you today on three bills related to: funding for state and 
territorial wildlife restoration efforts; the Service's proposed 
Biological Integrity, Diversity, and Environmental Health rule and 
associated policy updates; and wildlife corridors.
    The Service's mission is ``working with others to conserve, 
protect, and enhance fish, wildlife, plants and their habitats for the 
continuing benefit of the American people.'' The Service works across 
multiple programs and with diverse partners to achieve this important 
mission. The Service's Office of Conservation Investment provides 
financial and technical assistance to state and Tribal wildlife 
agencies to support locally led conservation, hunter education, and 
recreational access projects across the country. The Service 
administers the National Wildlife Refuge System (Refuge System), which 
conserves wildlife habitat across the country and provides recreational 
opportunities for millions of Americans. The Service's Science 
Applications program works with others to create an ecologically 
connected network of lands and waters to support thriving fish, 
wildlife, plants, and their habitats as well as thriving communities 
for people. The Service's Partners for Fish and Wildlife (Partners) 
Program supports voluntary conservation efforts with private landowners 
across the country, helping to protect habitat, support communities, 
and conserve species at a local level.
    The legislation before the Subcommittee today is relevant to each 
of these programs and the Service's ability to carry out its wildlife 
conservation mission.
H.R. 6352, Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act

    Section 4 of H.R. 6352 would amend the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
Restoration (Pittman-Robertson) Act to supplement funding for the 
Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Fund (Fund). The legislation would 
direct 85% of the current $200 tax on the transfer of firearm 
suppressors from the U.S. Treasury to the Fund for Fiscal Years (FY) 
2024 to 2030. Of that additional funding, 85% would support wildlife 
restoration projects, habitat improvement, and hunter education. The 
remaining 15% would be directed toward shooting range construction, 
operation, and maintenance.
    Since enactment of the Pittman-Robertson Act in 1937, through the 
Wildlife Restoration Program, the Service has assisted states and 
territories in their efforts to conserve habitat, enhance recreational 
shooting opportunities, and advance hunter education. Currently, an 
excise tax on firearm, ammunition, and archery equipment purchases 
provides dedicated funding for the Fund, and wildlife agencies for 
states and territories receive an apportionment of funding on an annual 
basis to support these activities.
    State fish and wildlife agencies have used these apportionments to 
conserve wildlife populations, increase hunter access to millions of 
acres of habitat, and welcome new people into the shooting sports. With 
these funds, over 792 shooting ranges have been designed, constructed, 
renovated or opened to the public. More than 35 million acres of state 
or territory-conserved land are maintained for public access or habitat 
management and over 650,000 people annually receive hunter education 
supported by these projects. The Wildlife Restoration Program is one of 
the nation's oldest and most successful conservation programs. For more 
than 80 years, it has served as a model of conservation partnerships 
among industry, states and territories, and the federal government, 
protecting and restoring wildlife and habitat, providing recreational 
opportunities, and engaging with hunters across the country.
    The Service supports the intent of Section 4 of H.R. 6352 to 
increase funding for the Wildlife Restoration Fund and would welcome 
the opportunity to provide technical assistance to the sponsor and 
Subcommittee on administration of new funds to minimize the need for 
recipients to track new and current sources of funding separately. The 
Service defers to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and 
Explosives regarding Sections 2 and 3 of H.R. 6352.
H.R. 8632, BIOSAFE Act

    H.R. 8632 would require the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary) 
to withdraw the Service's proposed rule, ``National Wildlife Refuge 
System: Biological Integrity, Diversity, and Environmental Health,'' 
and associated policy revisions (BIDEH proposal). The Service opposes 
H.R. 8632.
    Over the past 120 years, the Refuge System has grown to become the 
largest and most diverse network of conservation lands and waters in 
the world. The Refuge System includes 572 national wildlife refuges, 38 
wetland management districts, and 5 marine national monuments, with 
each unit established for a specific wildlife conservation purpose. 
With at least one unit of the Refuge System found in every U.S. state 
and territory, the Refuge System protects an incredible array of fish, 
wildlife, plants, and habitats, and provides outdoor recreation 
opportunities for millions of Americans each year.
    The Service's administration of the Refuge System is guided by the 
National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act of 1997 (Improvement 
Act)--a visionary organic charter enacted by Congress with near 
unanimous support. In addition to establishing a statutory mission for 
the Refuge System, the Improvement Act includes 14 directives to guide 
the Secretary's administration of the Refuge System. One notable 
directive is the BIDEH mandate, which directs the Secretary to ``ensure 
that the biological integrity, diversity, and environmental health of 
the Refuge System are maintained.''
    The BIDEH mandate borrows key terminology from conservation biology 
and emphasizes the need for the Service to consider how best to 
maintain the ecological integrity of the Refuge System in administering 
its individual units. It brings a management focus to maintaining 
biodiversity across multiple scales and recognizes the need to identify 
and develop comprehensive strategies to address threats using the best 
available science.
    In 2001, the Service issued a policy (601 FW 3) providing internal 
direction for agency implementation of the BIDEH mandate. The policy 
defined key terms and described the relationship between individual 
refuge purposes, the Refuge System mission, and maintaining ecological 
integrity. It provided refuge managers with guidance for maintaining 
existing levels of ecological integrity and determining when and how to 
restore ecological integrity, as well as guidance for addressing 
external threats to refuge ecosystems.
    When the Service adopted this policy in 2001, we did not anticipate 
the extent of climate change impacts on national wildlife refuge 
ecosystems or the need to clarify in regulation our interpretation of, 
and authority to implement, the BIDEH mandate. However, over the past 
20 years, the threats facing the Refuge System have evolved. National 
wildlife refuges are experiencing the negative effects of climate 
change while continuing to face other stressors, such as invasive 
species and disease. At the same time, the Refuge System and the 
healthy ecosystems it protects are increasingly vital to addressing 
climate change and biodiversity loss.
    To help refuge managers address modern conservation challenges and 
ensure national wildlife refuges remain strongholds of biodiversity 
into the future, we now see a need to provide guidance that helps 
refuge managers better address conservation threats through improved 
implementation of the BIDEH mandate.
    On February 2, 2024, the Service published a proposal in the 
Federal Register to revise the existing BIDEH policy and implement a 
new rule to guide the management of national wildlife refuges to 
maintain ecological integrity. With the BIDEH proposal, the Service 
seeks to provide a more consistent, transparent, and science-based 
approach for upholding ecological integrity at individual refuges and 
across the Refuge System. We seek to codify our continued commitment to 
managing refuge ecosystems as components of larger landscapes and 
seascapes, particularly in the face of a changing climate. We also seek 
to emphasize that managing the Refuge System through a landscape-scale 
lens necessitates strong collaboration and coordination with partners 
and stakeholders at all levels.
    The BIDEH proposal accomplishes these objectives in several ways. 
It provides, for the first time, a clear regulatory standard directing 
refuge managers to ensure ecological integrity. This proposed standard 
promotes management of the Refuge System as an ecologically 
interconnected network of lands and waters, supporting both the Refuge 
System mission and individual refuge purposes. It also instructs refuge 
managers to use their professional judgment and the best available 
science to ensure that management actions benefit wildlife conservation 
by contributing to ecological integrity.
    The BIDEH proposal includes updated definitions for ``biological 
integrity'', ``diversity'', and ``environmental health.'' As with the 
2001 BIDEH policy, these definitions continue to acknowledge the 
importance of using historic conditions as a reference point for 
maintaining and restoring ecological integrity. However, the updated 
definitions recognize the impacts of climate change and other stressors 
on refuge ecosystems, acknowledging that, in many cases, sustaining 
historic conditions to maintain ecological integrity on national 
wildlife refuges may no longer be possible.
    In addition, the BIDEH proposal includes management directives for 
maintaining ecological integrity across the Refuge System, providing a 
framework through which refuge managers can determine and implement 
management actions in a consistent way to meet refuge purposes, ensure 
ecological integrity, and fulfill the Refuge System mission. These 
directives are based on five key principles for managing refuges and 
ecosystems: 1) addressing climate change impacts on wildlife; 2) 
conserving and connecting habitats; 3) prioritizing the use of natural 
processes to achieve wildlife management goals, while recognizing the 
need to supplement natural processes when habitat conditions and 
natural processes alone are insufficient; 4) upholding and, where 
necessary, acquiring water rights, in accordance with local, state, and 
federal laws; and 5) promoting and maintaining healthy soil, air, and 
water.
    Finally, the BIDEH proposal provides guidance for certain 
management activities and uses that have a particular propensity to 
affect ecological integrity, such as agricultural uses, predator 
control, and pesticide use. The proposal provides increased clarity and 
guidance for when, why, and how we apply certain management practices 
and uses and emphasizes the importance of using the best available 
science to inform decision-making.
    Although the proposal directs a default position for each of the 
specific management uses or activities, it does not ban the use of any 
activities. The default positions are largely consistent with existing 
Service policies and with the Refuge System's approach to permitting 
uses of national wildlife refuges. Moreover, the proposal continues to 
provide refuge managers with significant flexibility to implement these 
activities as conservation tools on a case-by-case basis, in accordance 
with the best available science. The BIDEH proposal would not supersede 
any of the Service's other statutory obligations under the Improvement 
Act, including directives related to public uses of wildlife refuges, 
coordination with partners, or deference to the Alaska National 
Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA).
    By standardizing and clarifying the existing processes that refuge 
managers are required to follow in making decisions regarding best 
management practices and their influence on ecological integrity, we 
believe the BIDEH proposal will decrease workload, provide consistency, 
improve transparency to the public, and facilitate science-based 
decision-making.
    Prior to publishing the BIDEH proposal for public comment, the 
Service coordinated extensively with state partners and Tribes through 
collaborative meetings to receive input and feedback on the BIDEH 
proposal. The Service received comments and suggested edits from states 
and Tribes and incorporated many of these changes in the proposal. The 
Service further worked with those who provided feedback to have 
substantive discussions about their concerns and to seek further 
understanding about potential changes.
    During the public comment period, the Service received significant 
public interest in the BIDEH proposal. At the request of this 
Committee, and to ensure all partners and stakeholders had ample 
opportunity to review the proposal and provide meaningful input, the 
Service extended the initial 30-day public comment period by 60 days.
    During the extended comment period, the Service took the 
opportunity to conduct additional outreach on the BIDEH proposal. The 
Service conducted listening sessions with state partners both directly 
and through existing coordination meetings. Additional Tribal 
coordination was conducted through webinars with Alaska Native Tribal 
entities. The Service also directly sought input from other 
stakeholders such as environmental groups, agricultural interests, and 
sportsmen's organization.
    The 90-day public comment period closed on May 6, 2024, and the 
Service received more than 200,000 public comments. We appreciate the 
robust public interest and engagement in the proposal and take 
seriously the public input we received. We are currently reviewing 
these public comments to identify, understand, and address the 
substantive issues raised. These comments will help the Service ensure 
we employ a consistent approach to ensure the ecological integrity of 
national wildlife refuges.
    As the conservation challenges facing our nation's wildlife refuges 
continue to evolve, the Service periodically seeks to update our 
guidance and regulations to ensure we can uphold the Refuge System 
mission and mandates. The Service strongly opposes H.R. 8632, which 
would undermine our ability to equip refuge managers to address modern 
conservation threats and ensure the ecological integrity of the Refuge 
System for current and future generations.
H.R. 8836, Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act

    H.R. 8836 would require the Secretary to establish a Wildlife 
Movement and Movement Area Grant Program, administered by the National 
Fish and Wildlife Foundation (NFWF), to provide financial and technical 
assistance for improving habitat connectivity in movement and migration 
areas used by big game and other wildlife species.
    Habitat loss and fragmentation are widely recognized as among the 
most important threats to biodiversity. The continued viability of many 
wildlife populations is dependent on populations' continual ability to 
move, including daily movements among local resources, migrations 
between seasonal ranges, long-range dispersal supporting gene flow, and 
species range shifts over time in response to changing conditions. The 
Service is dedicated to and actively engaging in the conservation of 
wildlife corridors, including for big game species through multiple 
programs and initiatives. For example, the Service's Partners for Fish 
and Wildlife Program works with private landowners, states, Tribes, and 
other partners on voluntary habitat conservation projects on private 
and Tribal lands to conserve habitat, including in the western states 
to benefit big game species. Additionally, the Service's implementation 
of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, also known as the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, includes important fish passage projects 
to connect aquatic habitat for fish species, as well as strategic 
conservation of the sage brush ecosystem that is critical to mule deer, 
elk, and pronghorn.
    The Department and the Service also continue implementation of 
Secretarial Order 3362, Improving Habitat Quality in Western Big-Game 
Winter Range and Migration Corridors, which seeks to enhance and 
improve the quality of big-game winter range and migration corridor 
habitat. In March of this year, the Department and NFWF announced $11.8 
million for 10 projects in seven states to restore habitat connectivity 
and secure key migration corridors for wildlife in the American West. 
The $3 million in grants and $8.8 million in matching contributions 
were made possible through the Western Big Game Seasonal Habitat and 
Migration Corridors Fund, which is administered by NFWF in part through 
annual appropriations from the Service and other federal agencies in 
support of Secretarial Order 3362.
    The proposed Wildlife Movement and Movement Area Grant Program that 
would be created under H.R. 8836 closely resembles NFWF's Western Big 
Game Seasonal Habitat Migration Corridors Fund, which the Service 
currently supports through a cooperative agreement, in accordance with 
Secretarial Order 3362. NFWF's grant program provides support for the 
conservation of winter range habitat and migration corridors in 11 
western states for pronghorn, elk and mule deer. The Partners Program 
has provided $3.5 million over the last five years to support projects 
for big game conservation and wildlife-friendly fencing through this 
program.
    In addition to the Wildlife Movement and Movement Area Grant 
Program, H.R. 8836 would reauthorize the Service's Partners Program 
through FY 2030, which would allow the program to continue to support 
collaborative, voluntary conservation projects directly benefiting the 
species this legislation seeks to support. From FY 2019 to 2023, the 
Partners Program has contributed $5.3 million and leveraged $14.1 
million in funding from partners for projects that benefit big game 
species on private and Tribal lands in western states. In FY 2023 
alone, the Partners Program contributed over $2 million and leveraged 
$3.1 million from partners. The Service supports reauthorization of the 
Partners Program to continue supporting these collaborative 
conservation efforts.
    H.R. 8836 would also require the Secretary to establish a State and 
Tribal Migration Research Program in the Service's Science Applications 
Program to provide funds to state fish and wildlife agencies and Tribes 
to collect and analyze data on wildlife movement areas. This 
legislation also requires the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to continue 
to support a Corridor Mapping Team to provide assistance to federal 
agencies, states, and Tribes to map and assess wildlife movement areas. 
The USGS is further directed to adequately protect sensitive 
information with regards to private property and potential poaching of 
wildlife.
    The Service supports the intent of H.R. 8836 to improve habitat 
connectivity for wildlife movement and migration and supports 
reauthorization of the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program. We would 
welcome the opportunity to work with the sponsor and the Subcommittee 
to provide technical assistance on the legislation to clarify and 
improve implementation. We would also appreciate the opportunity to 
work with the sponsor and Subcommittee to ensure that new 
authorizations are not duplicative of existing programs.
Conclusion

    The Service remains committed to supporting our partners in 
conservation, responsibly managing the Refuge System, and working to 
conserve and protect important wildlife habitat corridors. We recognize 
the Subcommittee's interest in supporting an approach to conservation 
that benefits people and wildlife, and we appreciate the opportunity to 
continue that discussion. Thank you for the opportunity to testify 
before you today. I would be pleased to answer any questions that you 
may have.

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   Questions Submitted for the Record to Mr. Steven Guertin, Deputy 
              Director for Program Management and Policy,
                     U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

Mr. Guertin did not submit responses to the Committee by the 
appropriate deadline for inclusion in the printed record.

            Questions Submitted by Representative Westerman

    Question 1. Mr. Guertin, as I brought up during my questioning at 
the hearing on Rep. Grothman's BIOSAFE Act of 2024, the Human Society 
of the United States published a detailed press release within an hour 
of the proposed BIDEH rule being released to the public. This press 
release states that this proposal ``would ban predator control on the 
National Wildlife Refuge System.'' Despite this, in oral testimony 
before the Committee on April 10, 2024 and written testimony provided 
to the Committee on September 10, 2024 the service claims that the 
proposed rule simply seeks to `provide guidance' on management 
activities such as predator control. If implemented in its current 
form, would the proposed rule impact predator control on refuge system 
lands?

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    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Cochran for 5 
minutes.

STATEMENT OF STEVE COCHRAN, FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RESTORE 
      THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER DELTA, NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA

    Mr. Cochran. Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, 
Congressman Graves, and members of the Committee, my name is 
Steve Cochran.
    I first want to thank you for the opportunity to discuss 
Congressman Graves' draft bill here today. I very much 
appreciate his commitment and the Committee's interest here.
    One quick note as I begin. My title now includes ``Ret'' at 
the end, as you can see. That is because I retired in 2023 from 
a 39-year public policy career. It also means I no longer speak 
for anyone else, so I want to be clear about that. You get to 
blame me, not the people I have been associated with.
    In terms of background, I have worked in senior roles for 
state and Federal officials, but the majority of my work has 
been with environmental advocacy groups. Most relevant is my 
experience as Executive Director for Restore the Mississippi 
River Delta, a Louisiana-based coalition of three national and 
two local groups. I also grew up around and now live in New 
Orleans, giving me a frontline perspective on these issues.
    I would like to start here with some context before 
focusing on the specifics of Congressman Graves' bill.
    First, as Congressman Graves began to make clear, the 
Louisiana coast matters to America. As described by Louisiana's 
Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority, ``Louisiana plays 
a vital role in the economic infrastructure of America, with 
our ports carrying 20 percent of all U.S. waterborne commerce, 
providing 20 percent of commercial fisheries, landing and 
supplying 18 percent of our nation's oil.'' The impact to our 
nation's energy and economic security will be devastating if we 
fail to act. So, I want to make the point that each of these 
pieces of America, ports, energy, fisheries, are directly 
threatened by the ongoing losses along Louisiana's coast.
    Second, because of the levying of the Mississippi River, 
the mismanagement of development, most notably oil and gas, and 
the addition of sea level rise, we are now losing every year 
between 25 and 35 square miles of coastal protection to the 
Gulf of Mexico.
    Third, this draft legislation is not a new approach. 
Recognizing needs in other parts of the country, the Congress 
has already made significant place-based commitments and 
investments in threatened coastal areas, including the 
Everglades, the Chesapeake Bay, and the Great Lakes.
    And finally, around the country these problems are 
expanding. Climate-driven sea level rise and extreme weather 
are disrupting coastlines and watersheds, insurance costs and 
availability, and infrastructure in ways that inevitably arrive 
at government's doorstep. Congress can and should get ahead of 
this problem before it is too late, and that is what 
Congressman Graves' draft bill begins to do, so let me talk 
about that.
    As many of you know, because of the Deepwater Horizon 
disaster, Louisiana is receiving a total of $8 billion for 
coastal restoration and protection over 16 years. This is not 
free money. The cost to Louisiana has been probably $100 
billion in oil spill damages to its coast, and 11 deaths just 
from the explosion. It is the worst way to fund anything.
    But here is the challenge. While that money has been 
critical to the effort, the $8 billion will take us only 
through a few more years, covering maybe 16 percent of the 
minimum $50 billion need for coastal Louisiana. It is therefore 
essential for success that we establish funding structures now 
to support the continuation of the work. That is what this bill 
does.
    In terms of structure, setting this up at NOAA with 
management by NMFS and NFWF makes sense, as both have direct 
experience at both Federal and local levels to manage this.
    And finally, there are two provisions related to NEPA and 
essential fish habitat that I think warrant further discussion 
among a broader set of constituents and informed experts. I am 
glad to see Mr. Huffman and Mr. Graves both acknowledge that 
and speak to it.
    Time is of the essence when it comes to safeguarding 
critical natural defenses, and this urgency must be balanced 
with our long-standing commitments to environmental 
protections, to integrated community benefits, and to true 
public engagement. Finding this balance is hard, but it is 
something we have to do.
    I am a longtime member of the environmental community, 
where these public processes and protections are seen as 
bedrock. In fact, many of our challenges in the lower 
Mississippi River are a result of not having such processes and 
protections in place when decisions were made. So, it may be 
surprising to hear me willing to even consider new ways to 
expedite project reviews. I don't do that without worry, and 
with a firm belief in maintaining the integrity of these public 
processes. But I also believe that pragmatic discussion is both 
worthwhile and necessary, and that now is the time to truly 
wrestle with these challenges.
    Thank you for the opportunity to be here. I will, of 
course, be glad to answer any questions.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Cochran follows:]
   Prepared Statement of Steve Cochran, Former Director, RESTORE the 
                   Mississippi River Delta Coalition
             on H.R. Discussion Draft of H.R. ____ (Graves)

    Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, and members of the 
Committee, my name is Steve Cochran, and I am pleased to appear before 
you today to discuss the draft legislation being developed by 
Congressman Graves. I very much appreciate his commitment, and the 
Committee's interest in further investment in the protection and 
restoration of our nation's coastal resources. This afternoon I will 
share my perspectives on the draft legislation, within the context of 
the threats to those resources, particularly in the Lower Mississippi 
River Watershed and the Louisiana coast, and including the implications 
for communities, natural resources, and our nation's economy. Thank you 
for the opportunity to be here.
Background

    You will notice that my title begins with the word ``former''. That 
should help make clear that I am here today in my own capacity, having 
retired from a 39-year career in the public and nonprofit sectors in 
2023. With that retirement, from a policy perspective I no longer speak 
for anyone. In front of this committee, I'm a free man.
    By way of background: over those 39 years I have worked in several 
policy and political roles for state and federal officials, but for the 
majority of them I worked at both local and national levels for 
environmental advocacy groups.
    Within that, I think my experience most relevant for today's 
discussion began in 2014, when I took on the national role of managing 
Coastal Resilience for the Environmental Defense Fund. Within that 
work, I later took on the additional role of Executive Director for 
Restore the Mississippi River Delta, a Louisiana-based coalition 
comprising five advocacy groups--3 national and 2 local.
The Need for Action--Louisiana Coast and Beyond

    From that perspective, I want to offer a few overarching thoughts 
before focusing on the intent and specifics of Congressman Graves's 
welcome discussion draft:

     What happens in the Louisiana coastal zone has tremendous 
            significance to the rest of the country--its ports, energy 
            production, fisheries, agriculture, and culture are of 
            national value and significance. Here are some of the 
            measurements of that significance, as described by the 
            State's Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority, the 
            agency charged with safeguarding these assets:

      ``Nearly two million people reside in the area we call America's 
            Wetland, many of whom have made their lives and livelihoods 
            in close proximity to Louisiana's coast. Our wetlands act 
            as a buffer to protect these citizens and their cherished 
            communities from storm surge.

      Additionally, Louisiana plays a vital role in the economic 
            infrastructure of America, with our ports carrying 20 
            percent of all US waterborne commerce, providing 26 percent 
            (by weight) of commercial fisheries landings, and supplying 
            18 percent of our nation's oil. The impact to our nation's 
            energy and economic security will be devastating if we fail 
            to act.

      Louisiana's wetlands also provide winter habitat for more than 
            five million migratory waterfowl and offers stopover 
            habitat for millions of neotropical migratory birds.

      The coast's intrinsic value, as a working coast, home to millions 
            of citizens, and natural habitats makes it one of the 
            nation's most unique and valuable landscapes.'' \1\
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``What's At Stake''

     The national significance of this coastline does not stop 
            there. Well over three-quarters of ALL freshwater flows 
            from rivers and streams throughout the U.S. flow through 
            Louisiana into the Gulf. In terms of port traffic, five of 
            the nation's 15 busiest ports are found here, and every day 
            that natural or human-caused disasters shut down navigation 
            here, America loses $300 million. These national assets 
            rely on the area's renowned coastal wetlands, which 
            themselves represent an essential national treasure that 
            hosts crucial fish and wildlife habitat, irreplaceable 
            natural wonders, and unparalleled outdoor experiences, 
            opportunities for sportsmen and women, and a vibrant 
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            tourism economy.

     Just as the Louisiana coast plays a unique role in 
            America's commercial and ecological health, so does this 
            area offer a unique window on coastal land loss and climate 
            threats to coastal resources, and on the risk all of that 
            poses to coastal communities and ecosystems. Each year, 
            between 25 and 35 square miles of coastal Louisiana simply 
            disappears into the open waters of the Gulf of Mexico, 
            laying claim to some of America's most vital wetland 
            habitat even as it endangers key infrastructure for our 
            national economy. Some 30 percent of all wetlands in the 
            Lower 48 are found here; in terms of annual wetland loss in 
            America, though, Louisiana accounts for fully 90 percent of 
            the damage. And each year, the stakes become greater--and 
            the potential consequences to Louisiana lives, property, 
            and resources, and to the nation's economic vitality, grow 
            more dire--as these losses, now exacerbated by sea level 
            rise, continue. We simply cannot afford to wait, and so 
            again I want to express my appreciation for this effort to 
            add new legislative solutions to the current mosaic of 
            investments aimed at reversing land loss and restoring the 
            coast.

     As important as these resources and investments are, I 
            recognize that the Louisiana coast is far from the only 
            ecosystem facing mounting threats ranging from poor 
            resource management decisions to extreme weather events, 
            sea level rise, and other climate-related challenges. I 
            want to encourage all of us to keep that in mind over the 
            next several years as the needs for federal support of 
            coastal and watershed resilience increase. Congress has 
            already made significant place based commitments--with 
            billions in associated spending--to restoring threatened 
            coastal areas, the Comprehensive Everglades Restoration 
            Plan (CERP) authorized over 20 years ago in the 2001 Water 
            Resources Development Act to the Chesapeake Bay Program 
            dating all the way back to 1983, to the Great Lakes 
            Restoration Initiative (GLRI) established in 2009. I would 
            respectfully note that the surpassing value of Louisiana's 
            coast to the nation, and the ``code red'' threat level this 
            national asset faces, warrant a similarly focused 
            congressional response.

     Again, these kinds of requests from around the country are 
            only just beginning--climate driven sea level rise and 
            extreme weather patterns are disrupting coastlines and 
            watersheds all around the world, and certainly in the 
            United States. These climate driven changes and damages are 
            also disrupting economic patterns, including insurance 
            costs and availability, and infrastructure in ways that are 
            inevitably arriving at governments doorsteps. My 
            experience, and therefore advice, is that the Congress 
            fully engage in this discussion and policy-making now, 
            before it has to take the form instead of purely reactive 
            and even more expensive disaster response. And that is part 
            of what this bill begins to do, building on previous 
            Congressional efforts.

Proposed Lower Mississippi River Watershed Legislation

    The Graves discussion draft offers a crucial opportunity to bring 
much-needed federal focus and financial capacity to the Louisiana 
coast's race against time. The bill's primary focus is the 
authorization of a new federal grant program, to be administered by the 
National Marine Fisheries Service, to advance coastal protection and 
restoration projects. I'd like to take a moment to describe the needs 
for this kind of federal funding infusion, and how it would fit into 
the context of other existing funding streams.
    As many of you may know, as a result of the Deepwater Horizon (DWH) 
disaster Louisiana will ultimately receive a total of $8 billion in 
settlements and penalties, paid out over 16 years, that can be used for 
coastal restoration and protection. The cost of that funding is 
probably $100 billion dollars in oil spill damages to its coast, and at 
least 11 deaths. It is the worst way imaginable to fund anything, and 
it only begins to address the specific losses associated with DWH.

    That funding, plus additional support from smaller sources such as 
GOMESA, the Breaux Act, and other federal, state and local sources 
allowed a jump start in what is conservatively estimated to cost over 
$50 billion, plus annual operations and maintenance support. This jump 
start was possible because Louisiana, under its Coastal Protection and 
Restoration Authority, already had a plan in place before the money was 
available. Louisiana's Coastal Master Plan process is truly a science-
based model for the nation, identifying and prioritizing a broad array 
of projects and approaches to address the crisis facing coastal 
communities and resources. As of today, the state's plan is now 
effectively using over $1 billion per year, producing so far:

     157 projects since 2007

          + An average of 10,000 jobs each year

          + 383 miles of levee improvement,

          + 71.6 miles of barrier island restoration, and

          + 105 square miles of habitat benefits (67,200 acres)

    The projects and investments under the Coastal plan are estimated 
to result in $10.7-$14.5 billion in avoided annual economic damages. 
The plan, and the use of this funding, has so far been a real success 
story.
    Now, here is the challenge. This $8 billion disaster-fueled funding 
will take us only through another 8 years, at best. That is not enough 
money, nor does it buy enough time, for Louisiana to put the policies 
and projects in place to sustain its coastline. It is absolutely 
critical that we begin establishing the funding structures to support 
the continuation of the work in coastal Louisiana as soon as possible, 
so that planning, policies, projects identified in the Master Plan and 
related annual plans can move at the fastest possible speed. This bill 
or something like it could be a huge step forward, and I 
enthusiastically support the $500 million commitment this legislation 
proposes.
    I view the funding approach in the bill as a smart and affordable 
step forward, and given that Louisiana already has a plan in place, and 
mechanisms for managing project funding, the state could take advantage 
of such funding immediately. It really is folly to wait around until 
inevitable natural disasters bring a ``flood'' of needs and fiscal 
demands for Congress to address, including restoration and protection 
projects that will only grow in costs and number. There is, perhaps, 
still some time to get ahead of this. It has long been understood that 
money spent ahead of a flood will return its investments at an average 
6-1 rate. The bill offers a specific way to realize those returns, and 
it may be a model for a more national approach for necessary federal 
attention as these kinds of coastal and watershed needs are growing 
around the country.
    I would also note that setting up a program like this at NOAA seems 
to make sense, as they have the requisite experience at both federal 
and local levels to manage it. Recognizing that the bill is still in 
its discussion-draft phase, I would encourage others to offer comments 
on administration of the proposed new program.
    Finally, I would highlight two provisions in the draft bill--
related to the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA) and to 
Essential Fish Habitat consultations under section 305(b)(2) of the 
Magnuson-Stevens Act--that warrant further discussion among a broader 
set of affected constituencies and informed experts.
    Time is indeed of the essence when it comes to safeguarding 
critical natural defenses, ecological treasures, and communities from 
the next inevitable disaster. That said, balancing those urgencies with 
longstanding statutory commitments to environmental protections, 
integrated community benefits, and true public engagement is hard. I am 
a longtime member of the environmental community, where these statutes 
are often referred to as ``bedrock'' protections, and in fact many of 
our challenges in the Lower Mississippi River watershed are in part a 
result of not having such protections in place before NEPA was in 
operation. In that context, it may be surprising to hear me willing to 
even consider new ways to expedite project reviews while maintaining 
the underlying integrity of those vital public processes. I do so not 
without worry, but with a firm belief that pragmatic discussion is not 
only worthwhile but necessary, and I would argue that now is that time 
to truly wrestle with these challenges. I look forward to joining that 
broader conversation as this important legislation for the Louisiana 
coast is considered.
    Thank you for the opportunity to share these thoughts and 
perspectives. I'll be glad to answer any questions.

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    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Nichols for 5 
minutes.

STATEMENT OF PAUL NICHOLS, CHAIRMAN, HITCHCOCK COUNTY BOARD OF 
                COMMISSIONERS, TRENTON, NEBRASKA

    Mr. Nichols. Thank you, Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member 
Huffman, for the opportunity to provide testimony on today's 
important hearing on the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoir Land 
Conveyance Act. My name is Paul Nichols, and I am a Chairman of 
the Hitchcock County Commissioners. I am also a proud, lifelong 
resident of Hitchcock County, and my 14 years as the County 
Commissioner has given me a deep appreciation for the people 
and the issues that matter most to our community.
    Joining me today is Ron Wertz with 18 years, and Scott 
McDonald with 24 years. They are commissioners for our 
community. And also Dawna Vap, a concessionaire, and a number 
of members from the communities.
    The legislation I am speaking about today directly responds 
to the concerns raised by Hitchcock and Frontier Commissioners, 
county constituents, and the Nebraska congressional delegation 
regarding the Bureau of Reclamation's plan to end private, 
exclusive use of the reservoirs.
    Differences in opinions of how the concession area of the 
Swanson Good Life Marina and the Hugh Butler Lighthouse Marina 
should be managed moving forward highlights the need for local 
control and management over these areas.
    The legislation proposes transferring 77.2 acres of land 
which do not include the water or power assets to the counties 
at no cost to the Federal Government. It is important to note 
that the transfer would not compromise the public access to the 
lake or its use, and the counties are committed to providing 
substantial effective management.
    We are talking about over 180 households who reside in the 
two lake communities through the summer months, which are key 
economic areas for our businesses, supporting jobs and outdoor 
recreation, tourism, and hospitality. These communities are 
crucial economic hubs for our area, offering respite for people 
in southwest Nebraska, northwest Kansas, and eastern Colorado, 
providing a getaway from the farm and ranch families amidst a 
mounting rural mental health issue crisis.
    This conveyance is necessary to prevent the Swanson and 
Hugh Butler Lake communities and concessionaires from being 
removed, which would have dangerous or disastrous consequences 
for the population of Hitchcock and Frontier Counties, and 
jeopardize southwest Nebraska's economy and way of life. When 
stakeholders expressed concern about the community 
displacement, the Bureau was the first to suggest that we do a 
land transfer as a potential solution. Therefore, action on 
this issue is urgently needed to prevent the outcome that could 
unfold over the next few months from the date of this hearing.
    The looming deadline of February 25, when the Bureau of 
Reclamation's extended concession contracts expire, highlights 
the critical need for the immediate action. By transferring the 
land to the counties, it would ensure that the recreational 
opportunities private exclusive use continues to be provided in 
a way that suits the community and visitors.
    Importantly, the transfer won't compromise public access to 
the lake or its use. In fact, the legislation expressly 
requires the continuation of public access.
    The present concessionaires at the Swanson and Hugh Butler 
have been established for a combined 41 years.
    The county confronted several severe economic difficulties, 
evidenced by median household income of just $42,000. Recent 
shutdowns of the nursing home and several restaurants have 
dealt a heavy blow to the community. Despite these challenges, 
Swanson and Hugh Butler Lake are thriving. The marinas offer a 
variety of free and accessible activities for children and 
families to enjoy.
    Actually, the marinas are often used as a place for church 
services, weddings, funeral services, car shows, and concerts. 
The closure would not only deprive residents and visitors of 
recreation amenities, but would also have a devastating impact 
on the local businesses that rely on such revenue. The loss of 
jobs, diminished property values, and reduced quality of life 
would be severe consequences of allowing these valuable assets 
to fall into disrepair.
    The economic contributions of these lake communities are 
crucial for supporting services like firefighting, law 
enforcement, local government, schools, and NRDs.
    I see I am out of time, but I want to thank you for it, and 
I am open for questions on how we propose to do all this. Thank 
you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Nichols follows:]
          Prepared Statement of Paul Nichols, Chairman of the
                     Hitchcock County Commissioners
                              on H.R. 8413

I. Introduction

    Thank you, Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member Huffman for the 
opportunity to provide testimony at today's important hearing on the 
Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances Act. My name is 
Paul Nichols, and I am the Chairman of the Hitchcock County 
Commissioners. I am also a proud lifelong resident of Hitchcock County, 
and my 14 years as a County Commissioner have given me a deep 
appreciation for the people and the issues that matter most to our 
community. Joining me are Ron Wertz and Scott McDonald, the other two 
Hitchcock County Commissioners. Also joining me are members of the lake 
communities and Dawna Vap a concessionaire at Swanson Reservoir. The 
legislation I am speaking about today directly responds to concerns 
raised by Hitchcock and Frontier County Commissioners, county 
constituents, and the Nebraska congressional delegation, regarding the 
Bureau of Reclamation's plan to end private exclusive use at the 
reservoirs. Impacted stakeholders feel this reflects the prior 
mismanagement of the concession areas at the Swanson Good Life Marina 
and Hugh Butler Lighthouse Marina and the need for local control and 
management over these areas.
    The proposed Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances 
Act aims to transfer a total of 77.2 acres of land--comprising less 
than 1% of the total acreage of Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs. 
Importantly, this transfer involves no cost to the federal government 
and does not transfer any water or power assets. The transferred areas 
do not impede public access to the lake nor obstruct public use of the 
water or surrounding areas. By transferring ownership to the counties, 
we can ensure that these valuable assets are managed effectively and 
continue to benefit the local communities, without imposing any 
additional financial burden on taxpayers.
    The two lakeside communities that are home to over 180 households, 
and the concession areas at Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs, are 
vital economic drivers for businesses and local communities, supporting 
jobs in tourism, outdoor recreation, and hospitality. These two marinas 
and lake home communities are economic lifelines for Southwest Nebraska 
and the surrounding region. They serve as vital hubs for small 
businesses and provide much-needed respite for the hardworking 
populations of Southwest Nebraska, Northwest Kansas, and Eastern 
Colorado. For farm and ranch families, these facilities offer a crucial 
escape from the relentless demands of agricultural life. At affordable 
prices, they provide a place to relax, socialize, and spend quality 
time with loved ones. This is especially important given the growing 
mental health crisis in rural areas.
    As highlighted by the story of Allison Brunswig, who grew up in the 
Swanson Lake community, these recreational areas offer a sense of 
belonging, emotional support, and connection that is invaluable to 
residents. Allison's family has cherished countless memories at the 
lake, and of her grandmother, who was a beloved member of the community 
known for her kindness and generosity. The reservoir community has 
provided Allison and her family with a comfortable and nurturing 
environment to remember their departed loved ones. The decision made by 
the Bureau of Reclamation to allow these concession contracts to expire 
would lead to a tragic outcome for both the county community and the 
local population.
    As you are aware, the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land 
Conveyances Act transfers ownership of the concession areas, Lakeview 
Lodge, and cabins at the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs from the 
Bureau of Reclamation to Hitchcock and Frontier Counties. Indeed, the 
Bureau of Reclamation first suggested this land transfer as a potential 
solution to the concessionaries in March 2022 when the Bureau initially 
took over management of these two concession areas. This conveyance is 
necessary to prevent the Swanson and Hugh Butler Lake communities and 
concessionaries from being removed, which would have disastrous 
consequences for the populations in Hitchcock and Frontier Counties. 
The removal of these lake home communities and marinas jeopardizes 
Southwest Nebraska's economy and way of life. Therefore, action on this 
issue is urgently needed to prevent a catastrophic outcome that could 
unfold over the next few months from the date of this hearing. The 
looming deadline of February 2025, when the Bureau of Reclamation's 
extended concession contracts expire, highlights the critical need for 
immediate action.
II. Background on Swanson and Hugh Butler and Impact on Community

    The present concessionaries at the Swanson and Hugh Butler 
Reservoirs have been around for a collective 41 years--Hugh Butler's 
for 26 years and Swanson's for 15 years. The concessionaries were 
created shortly following the completion of the Trenton Dam Project in 
1953, and the area has been beautifully maintained by the 
concessionaires and lake community since then. Currently, the land 
resides near the small towns of Trenton and Stratton in Hitchcock 
County, Nebraska. The county is facing significant economic challenges. 
With a median household income of only $42,813 and with over 50% of its 
students qualifying for free or reduced-price lunches in 2024, 
Hitchcock County's challenges serve as a stark indicator of the area's 
overall economic struggles. The community has been hit hard by the 
recent closures of its nursing home, multiple restaurants, and the 
downtown newspaper. The concession area's closure would only add to 
these economic hardships, further straining the already fragile 
financial situation of many residents.
    Despite these challenges, the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs 
are developed and thriving communities. The marinas offer a variety of 
free and accessible activities for families to enjoy in a safe outdoor 
environment. These include fishing tournaments, volleyball, car shows, 
horseshoe pits, family reunions, potlucks, musical bands and concerts. 
They also provide recreational fishing, hunting, boating supplies, and 
general merchandise items to the public. Additionally, the marinas are 
often used as a place for church services and wedding and funeral 
services. Since 2011, the Good Life Marina, one of the few remaining 
local restaurants within a thirty-mile radius of the reservoirs, has 
served over 300,000 meals to the public. Given the recent closure of 
local restaurants, Good Life Marina is an essential economic driver for 
the community and an important local staple for community residents. 
Many of these businesses, attractions, and events are attended by 
individuals who drive several hours away to experience the beautiful 
marinas and lake communities.
    The concessionaries and lake community closure would not only 
deprive residents and visitors of beloved recreational amenities but 
would also have a devastating impact on local businesses that rely on 
such revenue. The loss of jobs, diminished property values, and reduced 
quality of life would be severe consequences of allowing these valuable 
assets to fall into disrepair. Furthermore, the economic contributions 
of lake communities are crucial for supporting vital services like 
firefighting, law enforcement, and local government. Their survival is 
essential for the well-being of our small rural towns. An example of a 
business that relies upon a vibrant marina is Surfs Up Marine in 
McCook, Nebraska. Surfs Up Marine relies heavily on the vibrant lake 
communities for over 75% of its revenue. As the only boat retailer in 
the region, Surfs Up Marine is a crucial business for the local 
economy. The concessionaries and lake communities' closure will 
therefore have far-reaching consequences, not only depriving residents 
and visitors of outdoor recreational amenities but also jeopardizing 
the economic viability of local businesses that depend on this revenue.
III. Capability in Managing the Land and No Cost to Taxpayers

    Moreover, the Hitchcock and Frontier County Commissioners are more 
than capable of managing and operating the Swanson and Hugh Butler 
Reservoirs concessionaries. Each county is comprised of three 
Commissioners, each of whom sits on several local boards and is active 
in their community. Hitchcock County Commissioners, with their combined 
experience of 54 years, have successfully managed a team of 31 
employees and overseen a total operating budget of over $2.5 million. 
Similarly, the Frontier County Commissioners, boasting 61 years of 
combined experience, have managed a team of 46 employees while 
overseeing an operating budget of $10 million. These impressive 
credentials demonstrate their ability to effectively manage 
concessionaires and ensure the efficient operation of public amenities. 
By adopting a similar contract structure as the Nebraska Game and Parks 
Commission had with the concessionaires in the past, the counties will 
maintain oversight and enforce all Nebraska health, safety, and fire 
codes. Additionally, the implementation of yearly inspections will 
further ensure the compliance and safety of concession operations. The 
County Commissioners' commitment to public service and their deep 
understanding of the needs of their communities will be invaluable in 
guiding the future of these marinas and lake home communities.
    Unfortunately, the Bureau of Reclamation's plans have only created 
confusion and misunderstandings for individuals and businesses 
operating within these lake communities. It has been difficult for 
stakeholders to navigate the regulatory landscape and plan for the 
future. The decision to allow the concession contracts to expire in 
February 2025 only adds to this uncertainty. This termination of 
contracts will create significant disruption for businesses, employees, 
and the communities that rely on these marinas. The cost of removing 
existing structures will be substantial, imposing a financial burden on 
trailer owners and businesses forced to relocate their belongings. As 
such, it is imperative that Congress passes the Swanson and Hugh Butler 
Reservoirs Land Conveyances Act to provide a clear path forward for the 
management and development of these marinas and lake home communities, 
ensuring their continued viability and continued economic benefits to 
the region.
IV. Conclusion

    The closure of the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs concession 
areas would have a devastating impact on the local economy, small 
businesses, and the well-being of residents in Hitchcock and Frontier 
Counties. The proposed legislation, the Swanson and Hugh Butler 
Reservoirs Land Conveyances Act offers a viable solution by 
transferring ownership of these areas to the counties, which have the 
expertise and experience to manage them effectively. By passing this 
bill, Congress can ensure the continued viability of these vital 
community assets and prevent a catastrophic outcome for the region. 
Thank you, Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member Huffman, and the entire 
Committee, for providing me with this opportunity to speak.

                                 *****

The following document was submitted as a supplement to Mr. Nichols 
testimony.
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    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Leahy for 5 
minutes.

STATEMENT OF MIKE LEAHY, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF WILDLIFE, HUNTING, 
 AND FISHING POLICY, NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION, WASHINGTON, 
                               DC

    Mr. Leahy. Thank you, Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member 
Huffman, and members of the Committee for considering the 
Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act at this hearing. My 
name is Mike Leahy. I am the Senior Director for Wildlife 
Hunting and Fishing Policy at the National Wildlife Federation.
    I am representing our federation, which includes a partner 
on the ground, an organization in almost every state and 
territory, and over 7 million members including over 23,000 
each in Oregon's 2nd district and California's 2nd district. 
Our mission is to help wildlife and people thrive in a rapidly 
changing world. And one of the most important strategies to 
accomplish that as the world is increasingly developed is to 
make sure wildlife can continue to navigate the landscape. And 
that is particularly important as climate change shifts 
habitats around.
    Migrations are one of nature's great spectacles, but they 
are also essential to the wildlife that undertake them, and 
then the people that depend on that wildlife for hunting, for 
outdoor recreation, for cultural traditions. Equally important 
are the more mundane and shorter movements that wildlife make 
on a regular basis to access food, water, shelter, to mate, and 
to rear young.
    However, as our population and infrastructure have not only 
grown, but have spread out throughout the country, we have 
fragmented a lot of our habitat, and we continue to do so at an 
alarming rate. And fragmentation of habitat leads to loss of 
habitat, and that is one of the main reasons over a third of 
our species in the United States are considered at heightened 
risk of extinction.
    This is an area where congressional leadership is really 
needed, similar to how Congress put in place the Wildlife 
Crossings pilot program to address the impact of roads and 
traffic on wildlife, and vice versa. The natural next step is 
for Congress to support the work going on around the country to 
maintain the movement of wildlife and migrations throughout the 
country.
    Fortunately, like with the Wildlife Crossings pilot 
program, there is a lot of bipartisan support for this, 
evidenced by the sponsors of the bill. There is a lot of public 
support and awareness. There is support throughout the wildlife 
community, and there is also an established body of work to 
build off of, and a lot of that work stems from Representative 
Zinke's Secretarial Order when he was Secretary of the Interior 
that he already mentioned addressing and improving habitat for 
migratory big game in the West. So, that is a great basis of 
work because that has proven very effective and popular. And 
Secretary Haaland has continued that work, but it suffers from 
a lack of consistency and reliability, and that is where this 
bill could help.
    The Act also incorporates elements of Representative 
Beyer's bills that he has passed through this chamber on a 
number of occasions. The bill offers grants for projects on the 
ground, which is important. It improves coordination among the 
Federal agencies, particularly Interior, Agriculture, and 
Transportation. It also supports state and tribal research, and 
it continues essential Federal support that underlies a lot of 
that from the U.S. Geological Survey and the Fish and Wildlife 
Service Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program.
    The Act also extends the benefits of this model to other 
states, tribes, communities, and wildlife around the country 
because there is a lot of good work going on around the 
country, and that deserves to have an opportunity to be 
supported and receive funding, as well.
    The legislation acknowledges the crucial role that tribes 
have played in all of this by including them as core partners, 
which is terrific.
    I also want to acknowledge the good work of Representative 
Gallego and Senator Lujan, who have worked to specifically 
address the needs of tribes with their Native American Wildlife 
Habitat Connectivity Act, which would be a nice complement to 
this bill because it would provide grants and technical support 
specifically for tribes.
    The Wildlife Movement through Partnerships Act has been 
written to avoid controversy by focusing on collaborative 
conservation and conservation without conflict. The work, by 
its nature, is things that a lot of landowners would like to do 
but lack resources for, like modifying fences and habitat 
leases. Project applicants must get approval from the relevant 
state or tribe. Fifty percent of the funds will continue to go 
to big game. Private landowners' military readiness will not be 
impacted.
    We have seen the benefits of this approach and model in our 
own projects in Montana and elsewhere, where in Montana we have 
worked with private landowners, volunteers, state and Federal 
agencies to modify 44 miles of fence to make them better for 
big game, and pronghorn in particular.
    The Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act is the 
result of years of work on the ground, but also at the policy 
level to identify a legislative package that would be broadly 
supported and bipartisan and have a good chance of passage.
    I thank you for the opportunity to testify, and I encourage 
you to take advantage of this bipartisan conservation 
opportunity and move this bill to the Floor as soon as 
possible. Thank you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Leahy follows:]
Prepared Statement of Michael Leahy, Sr. Director of Wildlife, Hunting, 
             & Fishing Policy, National Wildlife Federation
                 on H.R. 8836, H.R. 6352, and H.R. 8632

    Thank you Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, and members of 
the Committee, for holding this hearing to consider the historic 
Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act, and other wildlife related 
legislation. And thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of 
the National Wildlife Federation (``NWF''), our 52 state and 
territorial affiliates, and our nearly 8 million members, supporters, 
and followers, including over 23,000 in Oregon's 2nd District, and over 
23,000 in California's 2nd District.
H.R. 8836 (Rep. Zinke), ``Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act''

    Congress did a great thing for wildlife and people in 2021 by 
coming together in a very bipartisan way to establish the Wildlife 
Crossings Pilot Program in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. 
This program provides the first federal funding committed to wildlife 
overpasses, underpasses, and related infrastructure to help wildlife 
move across roads safely, and to reduce wildlife vehicle collisions. 
This program was well supported in Congress and throughout the 
community of wildlife supporters, and has proven incredibly popular and 
effective, with demand far exceeding available resources.
    The corollary to this program, and next great thing Congress can do 
to help wildlife navigate our increasingly fragmented landscape, is to 
support the work of wildlife professionals to maintain wildlife 
movements and migrations beyond the transportation network. Congress 
has not yet taken meaningful action in support of America's spectacular 
terrestrial wildlife migrations, or more mundane but equally important 
daily movements. This leaves a major gap in the framework of wildlife 
laws designed to sustain America's wildlife populations, and the people 
and communities that depend on them.
    This gap needs to be plugged as soon as possible. One of the 
primary reasons more than one-third of wildlife species are at 
heightened risk of extinction in the US is the loss of habitat, and 
fragmentation is a leading reason habitat is degraded. Untold wildlife 
migrations and movement pathways have already been cut off and lost. 
Unfortunately, wildlife face increasing challenges moving around the 
American landscape as the US population not only continues to grow but 
also spreads out around the country, requiring transportation, 
buildings, other infrastructure, and natural resources, to support it. 
Maintaining wildlife's ability to move--for migration, mating, rearing 
young, and accessing food, water, and shelter--is therefore a critical 
conservation priority in the 21st century.
    Fortunately, we still have many spectacular wildlife migrations in 
this country, and scientists are still discovering more. And we have 
many wildlife populations that are currently able to access the 
resources and habitats they need, although we cannot assume that will 
continue to be the case without proactive conservation work. Also 
fortunately, we know how to identify and manage the pathways wildlife 
need. Wildlife professionals for federal and state agencies, tribes, 
and nongovernmental organizations have been working at this for 
decades, but particularly in recent years. Their work has been greatly 
enhanced by technological advances such as Global Positing System 
collars. However, there are not enough resources for the work that is 
needed to manage western big game migratory habitat, much less the 
movements of many other species of terrestrial wildlife.
Elements of the Bill

    The Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act addresses the 
challenge of making sure wildlife can get where they need to go by 
endorsing and building on a growing body of proven programs. H.R. 8836 
provides clear Congressional authorization and direction for important 
ongoing work initially established by Congressman Zinke in 2018 when he 
was Secretary of the Interior. His Secretarial Order 3362 (``SO 
3362''), ``Improving Habitat Quality in Western Big-Game Winter Range 
and Migration Corridors'', was the first program of its kind. Like the 
wildlife crossings program, it was and still is widely supported. It 
has been very effective in collaboratively conserving three big game 
species in the western US. Secretary Haaland and her staff recognized 
the importance of the program and extended it, and expanded it to more 
places and partners, specifically including more tribes.
    H.R. 8836 also builds upon the Migratory Big Game Initiative of the 
U.S. Department of Agriculture (``USDA'') formally that focuses some of 
the USDA's considerable resources on supporting private landowners who 
support wildlife moving across their land, starting in Wyoming then 
expanding to Idaho and Montana and, with enough resources, other states 
as well. H.R. 8836 also builds on the Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program. 
All of these programs are specifically referenced and endorsed in the 
bill.

    The Wildlife Movements Through Partnership Act provides clear 
Congressional support for these now well established programs, and 
requires better coordination among them, in some important ways.

     Wildlife Movement & Movement Area Grants: The bill 
            establishes a grant program to formalize the ongoing 
            support of federal agencies for projects that lease 
            habitat, modify fences, reduce collisions, or conserve 
            lands to reduce barriers to wildlife movements in areas 
            recognized as important by a state or tribe. Grants are 
            awarded competitively, with preference given to national or 
            regional priorities, and to projects involving partners. A 
            bare minimum of 50% of funds are committed to big game such 
            as deer, elk, pronghorn, wild sheep, and moose.

     State and Tribal Migration Research Program: States and 
            Tribes are researching how to identify and manage wildlife 
            movement needs. This program will provide direct support 
            for their important studies.

     Corridor Mapping Team: This bill makes sure the Interior 
            Secretary continues the U.S. Geological Survey Corridor 
            Mapping Team which has been so instrumental in providing 
            analysis and identification of migration routes for the 
            priority western big game ungulates. The US Geological 
            Survey supports wildlife connectivity work by states, 
            tribes, and other federal agencies by applying science and 
            mapping expertise to corridors and migrations.

     Cooperative Research Program: The bill commits funding 
            from this program to researching habitat connectivity in 
            big game movement areas.

    The Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act extends the benefits 
of these successful existing federal programs to more wildlife, and 
more states. Important terrestrial wildlife migrations and movements 
for a wide range of species are at risk throughout the country, so this 
bill provides an opportunity for states and tribes and communities 
throughout the US. to receive grants, research funds, or support.
    The Act also reauthorizes the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's 
popular and essential Partners for Fish & Wildlife Program, which 
supports conservation efforts on private, tribal, and other lands 
across the country. The US Fish & Wildlife Service has provided 
important financial and technical support for wildlife migration and 
habitat connectivity work through this program.
Tribes

    The bill explicitly recognizes tribes as primary partners. The bill 
also addresses the funding challenges many tribal wildlife programs 
have by allowing the match requirement to be waived on a case-by-case 
basis. We encourage Congress to consider additional support for the 
considerable work tribal nations do to connect and maintain wildlife 
connectivity on their lands and waters. Tribal nations own or influence 
the management of nearly 140 million acres across the United States. 
These lands provide essential habitat and connectivity for migrating 
species. However, this reality is not reflected in the federal dollars 
available to tribal nations for fish and wildlife management.
    Tribal nations have carried the responsibility and financial burden 
of conserving fish and wildlife on their lands and participate in 
wildlife management processes and collaboratives across federal, state 
and private boundaries--especially when it comes to maintaining 
wildlife movements. Tribal nations were not, however, explicitly 
included in SO 3362 initially, despite tribes owning or managing more 
than 45 million acres in the 11 western states the order encompassed. 
This impacted funding available to Tribes. The Western Big Game 
Seasonal Habitat and Migration Corridors Fund administered by the 
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation was established in 2019 to 
implement Secretarial Order 3362. Since its inception only three of the 
sixty grants awarded have gone directly to tribal nations.
    Congressman Gallego and Senator Lujan are providing leadership to 
try and address these inequities. We support their ongoing efforts pass 
legislation that would complement H.R. 8836 by creating a grant program 
specifically for tribal nations to access funds for migration research 
and on-the-ground habitat management. We're also grateful for 
Congresswoman Dingell's continued leadership of the Recovering 
America's Wildlife Act which would ensure sustainable, non-competitive 
funding to federally-recognized tribes for the first time ever.
Non-controversial Nature of the Work

    Notably, the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships bill focuses on 
and funds largely non-controversial conservation work, consistent with 
the precepts of Conservation Without Conflict. This is important 
because there can be controversy and fear around concepts like wildlife 
corridors. This bill has been carefully crafted to support voluntary, 
collaborative conservation partnerships. For starters, the work itself 
is generally non-controversial, for example habitat leases, fence 
modifications, and wildlife-vehicle collision reduction. Any work with 
landowners would be voluntary and collaborative, and landowners may 
receive financial or in-kind support for their participation, depending 
on the project. Project applicants must get written support from the 
relevant state or tribe. Savings clauses hold private landowners and 
military readiness harmless. Access to lands for outdoor recreation is 
protected, plus most of the projects will benefit hunting 
opportunities. These efforts will contribute to and strengthen the 
outdoor economy, estimated at $1.1 trillion and over 5 million jobs by 
the US Department of Commerce in 2022.
Bipartisan and Broad Support for the Bill

    The truly bipartisan nature of this legislation is inspiring, and 
confirms that wildlife conservation is an issue that continues to unite 
Americans. The fact that the bill is led by two longtime leaders on 
habitat connectivity is particularly fitting. In addition to issuing So 
3362, Representative Zinke (R-MT) is a leading cosponsor of the Habitat 
Connectivity on Working Lands Act, H.R. 8104. Representative Beyer (D-
VA) was maybe the second Member of Congress to try to improve habitat 
connectivity in the US through legislation, and the first to try to 
provide a national framework for such work, with the Wildlife Corridors 
Conservation Act that he has passed through the House of 
Representatives in past Congresses. The bipartisan list of cosponsors 
of the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act speaks for itself. 
There is similar bipartisanship emerging on the Senate companion bill 
of the same name, S. 4953, sponsored by Senators Padilla (D-CA) and 
Hoeven (R-ND).
    Support for H.R. 8836 is strong across the spectrum of wildlife 
supporters, as the letters of support being entered into the record 
show. There is support from the hunting community, the environmental 
community, state agencies, tribes, and others. This legislation is also 
supported by NWF's diverse state affiliate organizations. This level of 
bipartisanship, broad support, and agreement is similar to that 
preceded the establishment of the Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program.
An Example of the Bill's Benefits

    The positive impacts this legislation will have on-the-ground are 
exemplified by one of the National Wildlife Federation's own wildlife 
connectivity projects. NWF's regional office in Montana is actively 
working to improve connectivity in the High Divide region of Montana. 
Our work with Montana's Fish, Wildlife and Parks agency (MTFWP) and in 
the Horse Prairie, Grasshopper Valley, Big Hole Valley, Medicine Lodge, 
Centennial Valley, and the Frying Pan Basin areas surrounding Dillon, 
Montana, are not by accident. These partnerships and locations were 
identified as important winter range and migration corridors for 
pronghorn via the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks (FWP) pronghorn GPS 
movement study that was spurred by SO 3362.
    Through our collaboration with the Southwest Montana Sagebrush 
Partnership, we have modified 44 miles of fence to wildlife-friendly 
specifications that benefit pronghorn, elk, mule deer and other 
wildlife species. Over the past eight months alone, NWF staff 
coordinated 28 miles of fence modifications and removals by working 
with eight private landowners and engaging the community through two 
volunteer ``fence pull'' events and project planning with local 
contractors.
    In the spring of 2023, NWF assisted FWP with a fence prioritization 
process that paired pronghorn movement data with fence data to identify 
highly impermeable fences. This analysis identified over 50 miles of 
problematic fencing (see page 79 of the FWP 2023 Annual Report). Our 
project has already converted 13.2 miles of these priority fences, 
which have a permeability class 0.4, since our work in this area began 
in 2021. Monitoring data from remote cameras demonstrated pronghorn 
using modified fences, which likely increases their ability to move and 
find resources to fulfill the lifecycle requirements both daily and 
seasonally.
The Right Bill Right Now

    Many years of conversations and effort has gone into identifying 
achievable, bipartisan legislative solutions to address the need to 
maintain wildlife movements and conserve key migratory habitat. This 
bill is the result of those conversations, projects and lessons 
learned. There are many other legislative ideas that would benefit 
wildlife movements, such as providing more resources to tribes, or to 
private landowners, or providing a strategic framework for prioritizing 
projects and funding. However, the Wildlife Movement Through 
Partnerships Act is the right bill right now. We are proud to support a 
bill that is broadly supported and one that we know will positively 
benefit wildlife across the US. Congress will be doing future 
generations a great service by acting now to support scientists and 
conservationists in their effort to keep our remaining migrations 
going, and our wildlife populations able to access the resources and 
lands they need. We encourage the Committee to move this bill to the 
House floor as soon as possible.
H.R. 6352 (Rep. Moore of UT), ``Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife 
        and Recreation Act''

    For more than 80 years sportsmen and women have funded conservation 
through their purchases. We applaud Representatives Moore and Golden 
for their bill that will build upon this tradition and commit 
additional resources to restoring wildlife habitat and supporting 
state-level professional wildlife management. NWF agrees with the 
primary premise of this bill that taxes on suppressors should mostly be 
reinvested in conservation through the Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in 
Wildlife Restoration Act, similar to taxes on many other hunting and 
shooting products. Dedicated funding through user-pay mechanisms 
(excise taxes, license fees, etc.) and strong collaboration among state 
agencies, federal agencies, conservation partners, and landowners, has 
successfully recovered the vast majority of wildlife species that are 
hunted and fished. We also agree that is appropriate to commit some of 
the tax on suppressors to processing applications for suppressors, and 
some of the tax to supporting shooting ranges and hunter education.
H.R. 8632 (Rep. Grothman), ``Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back And 
        Fully Erased Act of 2024'' or ``BIOSAFE Act of 2024''

    Congress has directed the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to 
``ensure that the biological integrity, diversity, and environmental 
health of the [National Wildlife Refuge] System are maintained for the 
benefit of present and future generations of Americans'' in the 
National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act of 1997. (16 U.S.C. 
668dd(a)(4)(B)). The Service has proposed how will continue to fulfill 
that requirement in a draft rule. (Biological Integrity, Diversity, and 
Environmental Health'' (89 Fed. Reg. 7345; published February 2, 2024). 
It will be an improvement, over the status quo, for the Service to lay 
out how they will meet this requirement in regulations that are written 
with a full opportunity for public input and oversight. This is 
compared to the Service continuing to implement this part of law 
without the benefit of direct public input and awareness.
    Service leadership and staff extended the comment period on this 
proposed rule when they heard concerns about it, and Service staff have 
acknowledged they do not think they got this proposed rule right in 
their draft. We agree with them. For example, we do not think the 
Service was clear enough on the important of Cooperative Farming 
Agreements play in the management of some refuges. However, we feel 
they did propose some regulations that are important and beneficial. 
Furthermore, much of what the Service has proposed reflects work and 
activities Refuge managers have been implementing for some period of 
time. The Service's process is consistent with how the notice and 
comment process for developing rules works. The Service will take steps 
to respond to all of the public input they have received and we 
encourage Congress to give them and the public that opportunity.
    Some of the proposed rules are cost-saving measures that will save 
the Service from expending some of their extremely limited human and 
financial resources. The National Wildlife Refuge System is one of the 
world's largest networks of lands and waters dedicated to the 
conservation of fish and wildlife. In addition to providing valuable 
habitat, these public lands also offer first-class outdoor recreation 
opportunities. Despite this, the Refuge System continues to be one of 
the most underfunded federal entities. Chronic underfunding has led to 
the National Wildlife Refuge System losing more than 800 or 16% of its 
full time staff since Fiscal Year 2010. Simultaneously visitation has 
grown by more than 37% or more than 67 million visitors a year, and the 
acreage of lands and waters managed by the Service has grown 
significantly. The current situation is truly unsustainable. While the 
Administration continues to work on this proposed rule, we hope this 
Congress work together to commit more funds to our nation's refuge 
system.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify. I look forward to your 
questions.

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    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I now recognize Mr. Schmitz for 5 
minutes.

STATEMENT OF TAYLOR SCHMITZ, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, 
      CONGRESSIONAL SPORTSMEN'S FOUNDATION, WASHINGTON, DC

    Mr. Schmitz. Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, and 
members of the Subcommittee, my name is Taylor Schmitz, and I 
serve as the Director of Federal Relations for the 
Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, CSF. Thank you for the 
opportunity to speak in support of three bills being considered 
today: the Tax Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation 
Act; the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act; and the 
BIOSAFE Act.
    At the turn of the 20th century, numerous species of 
wildlife were experiencing significant declines due to the loss 
of habitat, unregulated and commercial harvests, and the 
overall perception of an endless bounty. Alarmed, sportsmen and 
women banded together to call for the establishment of state 
fish and wildlife agencies, regulations, and other actions to 
conserve wildlife and their associated habitats. Despite these 
actions, wildlife lacked sufficient funding to turn the corner 
on recovery and ultimately conservation.
    In 1937, at the urging of sportsmen and women, along with 
leaders from the firearm and ammunition industries, Congress 
passed what is commonly known as the Pittman-Robertson Act. In 
its simplest form, the Pittman-Robertson Act redirects existing 
manufacturer-level excise taxes on firearms, ammunition, and 
archery equipment to fund on-the-ground, state-based 
conservation and access projects.
    Today, sportsmen and women are asking Congress to build 
upon the unmatched success of the Pittman-Robertson Act by 
expanding its funding sources through the existing Form 4 tax 
stamp money that is required to purchase a firearm suppressor. 
The bipartisan Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and 
Recreation Act will repurpose the $200 tax stamp money, and 
send the bulk of this funding to the Pittman-Robertson account.
    Estimates indicate that tax stamp revenue generated through 
the purchase of firearms suppressors could result in a $150 to 
$170 million annual plus-up to the Pittman-Robertson account. 
This plus-up will bolster critically important Pittman-
Robertson programs such as state wildlife research and 
conservation, habitat conservation, hunter recruitment, target 
shooting, range construction, among others.
    H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act, 
represents a monumental step forward in our efforts to conserve 
habitat connectivity for our nation's wildlife. Human 
development across the country is not without consequences, 
particularly when done blithely towards our wildlife resources. 
Land that is lost or fragmented can become barriers to animal 
movement, and becomes especially problematic to many species of 
wildlife that must migrate to meet the demands of their annual 
life cycle.
    As an example of migration, a mule deer herd may spend most 
of their summer range at higher elevations to escape heat, seek 
nutritional browse, and raise offspring. As winter begins to 
set in and weather conditions change, the same mule deer herd 
will migrate down, generally along the same route used to reach 
their summer range, to lower elevations to seek sustainable 
food resources and more suitable weather. This migration might 
extend over 150 miles in one single direction. During this 
migration the mule deer herd in this example will spend time on 
Forest Service land, BLM land, state land, and private land.
    Fragmentation or barriers can occur anywhere. Recognizing 
this, Federal and state agencies cannot work in silos, and they 
must fully acknowledge and work respectfully with private 
landowners if we are to be successful in conserving landscape 
connectivity.
    CSF strongly supports this bill for several reasons.
    First, it solidifies a very successful Secretarial Order 
3362, which now spans two different administrations.
    Second, this legislation respects and upholds state and 
tribal wildlife management authority.
    Third, it respects the rights of private landowners while 
providing these important stakeholders with voluntary options 
to expand the conservation resources at their disposal. CSF 
firmly believes that for conservation to work at scale, private 
landowners must be able to envision themselves as a highly 
valued partner in the program, and the best way to achieve that 
is through locally-driven, non-regulatory, and voluntary 
conservation approaches.
    Fourth, funding that currently supports recent wildlife 
movement efforts is provided through limited existing 
programmatic funding. Without a legislatively authorized 
wildlife movement to lean on, the contribution of these funds 
and the overall continuance of the bipartisan H.R. 3362 is 
uncertain.
    Thanks to the carefully crafted language throughout the 
bill, this legislation does not diminish or modify state and 
tribal wildlife management authority, impact private property 
rights or privacy, nor does it allow for any Federal land or 
Federal migration corridor designation.
    CSF also supports the BIOSAFE Act, which would require the 
Fish and Wildlife Service to withdraw the proposed rule 
commonly known as BIDEH.
    In closing, we thank the Subcommittee again for holding a 
hearing on these three important bills. I look forward to 
answering any questions you may have. Thank you.

    [The prepared statement of Mr. Schmitz follows:]
  Prepared Statement of Taylor Schmitz, Director, Federal Relations, 
                  Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation
                 on H.R. 6352, H.R. 8632, and H.R. 8836

    Chairman Bentz, Ranking Member Huffman, and members of the 
Subcommittee, my name is Taylor Schmitz, and I serve as the Director of 
Federal Relations for the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF). 
First, I would like to thank the Chairman, Ranking Member, and Members 
of the Subcommittee for holding a hearing on three important bills for 
sportsmen and women and importantly, wildlife conservation.
H.R. 6352, the Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation 
        Act

    Before speaking to H.R. 6352, the bipartisan Tax Stamp Revenue 
Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act, it is important to provide 
historical perspective. The idea of conservation in the United States 
began with hunters, anglers, and other members of the sporting-
conservation community. At the turn of 20th century, America's wildlife 
were on the brink due to habitat loss, commercial harvest, and other 
conservation challenges. In the early 1900s, there were an estimated 
300,000 white-tailed deer, 41,000 elk, 12,000 pronghorn antelope, 
30,000 wild turkeys, and many waterfowl species were severely 
struggling. As a result, sportsmen and women banded together to call 
for the establishment of state fish and wildlife agencies, hunting and 
fishing licenses, and milestone federal conservation legislation such 
as the Lacey Act and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Despite these 
advancements in conservation, America's wildlife lacked sufficient 
funding to turn the corner on recovery and conservation.
    Recognizing the shortfall in funding, in the 1930s, sportsmen and 
women, along with leaders from the firearm and ammunition industries, 
called on Congress to redirect an already in place manufacturer level 
excise tax on firearms and ammunition (later amended to include archery 
equipment) for the purposes of funding conservation and public access. 
In 1937, Congress passed the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, 
or more commonly known as the Pittman-Robertson Act, which provides 
critical conservation dollars to state wildlife agencies for on-the-
ground conservation and access projects. Fast forward to today, thanks 
in large part to the funding provided by the Pittman-Robertson Act, 
there are now over 30 million white-tailed deer, more than 1 million 
elk and pronghorn, and over 7 million wild turkeys. In recent years, 
state-based funding through the Pittman-Robertson Act has regularly 
exceeded $1 billion/year, including $1.12 billion in Fiscal Year 2022, 
$1.2 billion in Fiscal Year 2023, and $989 million in Fiscal Year 2024.
    Today, sportsmen and women are asking Congress to build upon the 
unmatched success of the Pittman-Robertson Act by expanding its funding 
sources through the existing Form-4 tax stamp money that is required 
when purchasing a firearm suppressor--money that currently goes to the 
general treasury with no specific purpose.
    Firearm suppressors are increasingly becoming a highly popular tool 
for America's hunters and recreational shooters given their role as the 
hearing protection of 21st century sportsmen and women. Despite common 
myths and misconceptions, suppressors do not silence host firearms. 
Suppressors simply reduce the sound of a gunshot to hearing safe 
levels. Engineered to reduce the sound signature of a gunshot, minimize 
felt recoil, and increase accuracy, suppressors are quickly becoming 
the favored accessory of hunters and recreational shooters nationwide.
    Suppressors work by trapping the rapidly expanding gases at the 
muzzle of a firearm, allowing them to cool more slowly, in a similar 
fashion to car mufflers.
    Noise-induced hearing loss and tinnitus are two of the most common 
afflictions for recreational shooters and hunters in the United States. 
By decreasing the noise of a gunshot to hearing-safe levels, 
suppressors help to conserve the hearing of sportsmen and women, and 
their hunting dogs. In addition to hearing protection, suppressors also 
mitigate noise complaints from those who live near shooting ranges and 
hunting lands.
    Suppressors are federally regulated under the National Firearms Act 
(NFA) of 1934, the same act that regulates machine guns and short-
barreled rifles, among other items. These items, including suppressors, 
which fall under the purview of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 
Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), carry severe penalties for criminal 
use. To purchase a suppressor, an individual must find a licensed 
dealer, send the appropriate paperwork to the ATF along with a one-time 
$200 Form-4 tax stamp per suppressor, undergo an extensive FBI 
background check, and complete a National Instant Criminal Background 
Check at the point of purchase--the same federal background check 
required to purchase a firearm.
    H.R. 6352, led by Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus (CSC) Member 
Rep. Blake Moore and CSC Vice Chair Rep. Jared Golden, will repurpose 
the $200 ATF Form-4 tax stamp money and send 85% ($170) of this money 
to the Pittman-Robertson Act to bolster state level conservation, 
hunter recruitment efforts, and to increase access opportunities for 
America's sportsmen and women and the public at large. The allocation 
to the Pittman-Robertson Act would be further broken down with 85% 
($144.5) of the funding being apportioned to conservation and hunter 
recruitment programs. The remaining 15% ($25.5) of the Pittman-
Robertson allocation would be apportioned to build, maintain, and 
renovate recreational target shooting ranges. It is expected that Form-
4 tax stamp revenue generated through the purchase of suppressors will 
approach $170 to $200 million 2024, which would equate to nearly a 
$150-$170 million plus up to the Pittman-Robertson account for 
conservation and access. The remaining 15% ($30) of the Form-4 tax 
stamp would be allocated to the ATF to process firearm suppressor 
applications. This legislation also requires that suppressor 
applications be approved within a 90-day timeline, unless the applicant 
is barred by law from processing a suppressor.
    The Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation is strongly supportive of 
H.R. 6352 given the benefits this bill will have for the Pittman-
Robertson Act and on-the-ground conservation and access funding.
H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act

    H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act, led by 
CSC member Rep. Zinke and Rep. Beyer, represents a critical step 
forward in our efforts to conserving and restoring habitat connectivity 
for our nation's wildlife, and CSF is proud to support this 
legislation.
    Across the nation, landscape connectivity and the habitat that is 
necessary to sustain a wide diversity of wildlife with ecologically 
sustainable populations continues to change at an expeditious pace due 
to a multitude of factors. For instance, anthropogenic modifications 
such as commercial and residential development, energy development 
(renewable and non-renewable), and highway and railway construction or 
expansion across the United States continues to advance at a rapid 
rate, which leads to the loss and fragmentation of wildlife habitat. 
There are many other conservation challenges that we must address, 
including overall habitat degradation caused by numerous factors.
    In the American west, many species of wildlife such as elk, mule 
deer, pronghorn, and others are highly migratory to meet the demands of 
their annual life cycle. As an example, a mule deer herd may spend most 
of the summer at higher elevations, such as within U.S. Forest Service 
(USFS) managed land, to escape summer heat, seek nutritional browse, 
and raise offspring. As winter begins to set in and weather conditions 
change, the same mule deer herd will migrate down to lower elevations 
to seek sustainable food resources and more suitable weather. Along 
their movement path, this mule deer herd may traverse numerous land 
ownerships ranging from Forest Service land, Bureau of Land Management 
(BLM), state and tribal lands, and private lands. It is clear that 
federal and state agencies cannot work in silos, and they must full 
acknowledge and work respectfully with private landowners, if we are to 
be successful in conserving landscape connectivity there is any hope to 
sustain meaningful landscape connectivity and habitat productivity.
    As a real-life example, Figure 1 below shows the landowner makeup 
of one of the nation's longest known mule deer migration along the 
famed Red Desert to Hoback migration corridor a migration that exceeds 
150 miles in one direction. In Figure 1, Bureau of Land Management 
lands (BLM) is represented by yellow, green represents USFS, state land 
is represented by blue and orange, and white represents private land 
ownership. During this migration, the mule deer herd spends 
approximately 17% of its time on USFS lands, 45% on BLM land, 9% on 
state land, and 29% on private land. While Figure 1 is focused on the 
incredible Red Desert to Hoback migration, this figure demonstrates the 
broader point that the buy-in of private owners is crucial to 
conserving wildlife movement, seasonal habitats, and ensuring the 
functionality of whole corridors.
Figure 1: Red Desert to Hoback Migration Corridor Land Ownership

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    While the aforementioned species are on one end of the 
migration spectrum, there are countless other species who have movement 
or migration requirements that are smaller in scale, but equally as 
important to maintaining robust populations of these species. For 
example, roads and highways often pose a significant threat to turtles. 
The Minnesota Zoo, in conjunction with the Minnesota Department of 
Transportation, is currently testing fencing as an option to divert 
turtles from roads and into safe under-road culverts. According to the 
University of Minnesota, the Twin Cities region has found that turtle 
deaths dropped by 60 to 80% after fencing was installed.
    CSF strongly supports locally-driven and non-regulatory efforts to 
restore habitat connectivity with the goal of bolstering wildlife 
populations such as efforts like the Department of the Interior (DOI) 
Secretarial Order 3362 (S.O. 3362), which was launched to improve 
habitat quality in western big-game winter range and migration 
corridors for elk, mule deer, and pronghorn across 11 Western states 
(AZ, CA, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, OR, UT, WA, and WY). Despite elk, mule 
deer, and pronghorn being explicitly listed as the three species of 
focus, it is important to note that efforts to conserve winter range 
and corridors for these species under S.O. 3362 benefits a wide array 
of other species who share the same habitat or utilize these focus 
species for food resources.
    Signed in February 2018 by then Secretary of the Interior Zinke, 
S.O. 3362 was a significant step forward for corridor and connectivity 
conservation for several reasons. The Secretarial Order initially 
supported scientific research by state fish and wildlife agencies that 
vastly enlightened understanding of big game movement patterns, greatly 
expanded corridor mapping efforts by the United States Geological 
Survey (USGS) led Corridor Mapping Team, and facilitated voluntary 
habitat conservation activities occurring on private, tribal, state, 
and federal lands. Secretarial Order 3362 is driven by partnerships--
particularly federal and state wildlife managers. Specifically, S.O. 
3362 focused on working respectively with state wildlife agencies, who 
are responsible for the management of elk, deer, and pronghorn, while 
leveraging the network of federal lands managed by DOI such as the 
Bureau of Land Management, which manages more than 245 million acres of 
public land and is the largest manager of public lands in the country. 
Engaging tribes and supporting their personnel and habitat needs is 
also a component of S.O. 3362 implementation. Through S.O. 3362, the 
relevant DOI agencies are generally working together toward a common 
purpose and DOI and United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) are 
collaborating and supporting each other in their respective corridor 
and seasonal habitat conservation activities.
    USDA has also expanded its efforts to address habitat fragmentation 
and corridors through the USDA Migratory Big Game Initiative, a program 
that seeks to leverage USDA's work with private landowners to improve 
habitat connectivity for wildlife. While progress is being made, the 
scope of this effort is currently limited to three western states 
(Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming).
    Despite the actions by DOI and USDA, efforts to restore habitat 
connectivity are limited for a number of reasons. Namely, the limited 
amount of funding that currently supports the effort is supplied from 
existing programmatic funding. Without a stand-alone corridor program 
to lean on, the contribution of these funds is uncertain. The 
implementation of USDA migration corridors efforts seems partially 
limited due to staffing constraints, in particular staff at the field 
level. At the hidden level is the reality that this entire conservation 
effort is at risk at any time because it does not have an authorized 
program with an annual budget and assigned staff.
    CSF notes that as Administration's change every four to eight 
years, priorities (i.e. Secretarial Orders) change and efforts that are 
initiated in one Administration may be discontinued in another. 
Secretarial Order 3362 is a rare example of a priority established 
under one political party and being continued by a different political 
party after an Administration change. This is due in large part to how 
S.O.3362 was crafted and the way it is implemented. Similarly important 
is the fact that corridor and wildlife movement conservation is truly a 
bipartisan issue. The foundation now laid is ready for the raising of a 
strong and resistant structure, which H.R. 8836 is positioned to 
provide.
    CSF strongly supports H.R. 8836 for several reasons, but 
importantly it codifies an existing bipartisan conservation effort, and 
it checks two critical boxes when it comes to implementing and 
delivering on-the-ground conservation from our perspective. First, this 
legislation respects and upholds state wildlife management authority. 
And secondly, it respects the rights of private landowners while 
providing these important stakeholders with voluntary options to expand 
the conservation resources at their disposal. CSF firmly believes that 
for conservation to work at scale, private landowners must be able to 
envision themselves in the program, and the best way to achieve that is 
through voluntary, non-regulatory, and locally driven approaches. H.R. 
8836 recognizes these important considerations and seeks to address the 
challenge of habitat fragmentation and its impact through five 
distinct, but equally important ways.
    First, Section 4 of H.R. 8836 establishes a non-regulatory program 
known as the ``Wildlife Movement and Movement Area Grant Program'' The 
purpose of Section 4 is to establish a grant program, which will be 
administered by the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (NFWF), to 
provide funding that is crucial to the success of conserving wildlife 
movement areas. Given their unmatched experience and expertise in 
delivering grants that facilitate on-the-ground, locally driven 
conservation projects, CSF believes that NFWF is well-positioned to 
administer the grant program established in Section 4. The Wildlife 
Movement and Movement Area Grant Program will provide funding to states 
and tribal agencies, non-profit organizations, higher education 
institutions, counties, and federal agencies that support the purpose 
of this legislation. Further, this section requires that any proposal 
submitted under this grant program be accompanied by a letter for 
support from the respective state or tribal fish and wildlife agency. 
This section will facilitate a competitive, transparent and accountable 
process to distribute grant funding to a host of eligible partners.
    Section 5 authorizes much needed scientific research funding that 
will be provided directly to state fish and wildlife agencies and 
tribes through an agreed upon process with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
Service (USFWS) Science Applications program. This approach has proven 
effective during the first two years of S.O.3362 implementation. The 
Science Applications program provided research project funding support, 
but those funds evaporated after year two of implementation. The 
funding in the first two years supported over 40 state-led research 
projects that allowed scientists and land managers to develop critical 
understanding of little studied deer, elk, and pronghorn herds across 
the west. Among many highlights, the research findings shed light on 
interstate movements of pronghorn, local jurisdictions considering 
scientific data and how they continue city growth without impacting the 
needs of migrating mule deer, and where to place highway crossing 
structures based on actual wildlife movement data. Reinitiating 
research funding through this section will allow states and tribes to 
learn more about wildlife movement over a broader range of species, 
while also allowing limited habitat and transportation infrastructure 
funding to be used most effectively.
    Section 6 takes two primary actions focused on the USFWS Partners 
for Fish and Wildlife program (Partners). One, it reauthorizes this 
very successful and widely supported private and tribal lands program 
from 2025 through 2030. Two, it provides authority for the program to 
provide technical assistance to other federal agencies. The field staff 
in the Partners program are well known for their tremendous working 
relationships with private landowners and they bring important social 
science skills and habitat conservation techniques to the table. This 
will be particularly important to the USDA migration initiative efforts 
and to various tribes across the country.
    Section 7 and Section 8 are related as they primarily focus on the 
activities of USGS. Section 7 directs the USGS to support the 
continuation of the very successful Corridor Mapping Team. This team is 
the result of S.O.3362 and was organized by the USGS, but Team members 
consist of state, tribal, federal, and university spatial planning 
experts. Collectively, they support each other with technical 
assistance, training, and other activities that facilitate science-
grounded data analysis and mapping. Section 8 focuses on corridor 
mapping efforts in general and the protection of sensitive data. With 
the leadership of USGS and efforts of the Corridor Mapping Team, since 
2018 over 200 migration corridors or movement routes are now mapped. 
These mapped corridors are shared to the public in sequential volumes 
(4 produced thus far) titled, Ungulate Migrations of the Western U.S.
    Lastly, CSF would also like to highlight the thoughtfully crafted 
and important Savings Provision contained in Section 10 of H.R. 8836. 
While CSF appreciates and strongly supports Section 10 in its entirety, 
we feel it important that this legislation does not enlarge, diminish, 
or modify state and tribal wildlife management authority, impact 
private property rights and privacy, nor does it allow for any federal 
land or federal migration corridor designation.
    Again, CSF is proud to support this vital legislation, and we are 
excited to see a thoughtful and locally driven approach to the 
ecologically critical topic of wildlife migration and movement and 
overall landscape connectivity. Advancing this legislation will not 
only support wildlife, but also, sportsmen and women, state and federal 
agencies, tribes, and interested private landowners.
H.R. 8632, the Biodiversity Oversight Scaled-back and Fully Erased 
        (BIOSAFE) Act

    H.R. 8632, the BIOSAFE Act led by CSC Member Rep. Grothman, would 
require the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) to withdrawal the 
proposed rule titled ``National Wildlife Refuge System; Biological 
Integrity, Diversity, and Environmental Health (BIDEH) (89 Fed. Reg. 
7345; published February 2, 2024).
    On February 2 of this year, FWS published the proposed BIDEH rule 
and policy updates with an inadequate comment period of 30 days. At the 
time, CSF and 36 of our partner organizations sent a letter to FWS 
requesting the comment period be extended by 60 days for a total 
comment period of 90 days. CSF would like to thank FWS for delivering 
on this request and providing the time that was necessary to thoroughly 
review and examine the BIDEH proposal.
    However, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation has significant 
concerns regarding the BIDEH proposed rule and policy updates put 
forward by FWS. CSF believes the updates contained in BIDEH represent a 
substantial and consequential change in the direction of the management 
of the National Wildlife Refuge System (NWRS).
    It is important to note that the National Wildlife Refuge System is 
a unique public lands management system. Unlike other systems of public 
lands, the NWRS is different in that fish, wildlife, and conservation 
are the primary purpose. The National Wildlife Refuge System 
Administration Act (as amended by the National Wildlife Refuge System 
Improvement Act), the organic act of the NWRS, states at the outset of 
the Act ``The mission of the System is to administer a national network 
of lands and waters for the conservation, management, and where 
appropriate, restoration of the fish, wildlife, and plant resources and 
their habitats within the United States for the benefit of present and 
future generations of Americans.'' Unlike many other systems of public 
lands, such as National Parks, fish, wildlife, and conservation come 
first within the NWRS. The NWRS Administration Act also establishes 
that the purpose of individual refuges shall take precedent over the 
mission of the System if conflict arises, which clearly indicates the 
NWRS should be managed in a bottom-up approach as opposed to a top-
down, all-encompassing approach. Unfortunately, the BIDEH proposal 
appears to flip this equation and acquiesces to the overall mission of 
the NWRS rather than recognizing the need to support the purpose of 
each unique NWRS unit, which would be in direct conflict with the 
National Wildlife Refuge System Administration Act as amended by the 
Improvement Act.
    The BIDEH proposal states that the overarching objective as 
identified in the proposal is to address climate change and 
anthropogenic changes. While CSF prioritizes and fully supports efforts 
to address conservation challenges such as changing climate conditions 
and anthropogenic changes, we believe the actions contained in the 
BIDEH proposal will do little to tackle these challenges. CSF is 
concerned that BIDEH appears to establish a ``guilty until proven 
innocent'' standard for many longstanding conservation practices within 
the National Wildlife Refuge System.
    More specifically, CSF questions how prohibiting agriculture, 
predator management, the use of genetically modified organisms, 
pesticides, among other prohibitions will help position the NWRS to 
better address climate change and anthropogenic changes. FWS has stated 
that active management such as cooperative agriculture is an important 
tool to addressing climate change. For example, in 2020, FWS stated in 
a Southeastern Programmatic Assessment that ``Loss of physical wetland 
area and degradation due to exotic species expansions resulting from 
climate changes will likely require increased management intensity, 
such as agricultural production, on the remaining refuges to meet the 
needs of wildlife at their current levels''. This 2020 assessment leads 
CSF to raise the question of what has happened since 2020 that results 
in FWS changing course and establishing a ``guilty until proven 
innocent'' standard for cooperative agriculture.
    CSF also believes that it is important to recognize and understand 
how BIDEH further hamstrings the already limited funding that the NWRS 
receives. Unfortunately, funding has not kept pace with the needs and 
demands of the NWRS. Being mindful of the limited funding, CSF 
struggles to understand how creating more hurdles and complicated 
processes for refuge staff, who already struggle daily to conduct the 
necessary habitat management will improve the conservation of National 
Wildlife Refuges. Recognizing these funding shortfalls, CSF believes 
that it is important for the NWRS to actively seek opportunities that 
have the most significant return on investment and can leverage non-
profits, private individuals, and others to bolster the health of the 
NWRS rather than limiting tools and resources and creating angst and 
concern with many of the users who have historically supported National 
Wildlife Refuges both financially and through voluntary labor.
Summary

    The Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation again thanks the 
Subcommittee for holding a hearing on these three bills. We look 
forward to working with the Subcommittee as well as the full Committee 
to see these pieces of legislation enacted into law.

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    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. I thank the witnesses for their 
testimony and will now recognize Members for 5 minutes each for 
questions.
    Mr. Graves, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Graves. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Deputy Director Guertin, it is good to see you again. I am 
not sure who is sacrificing you or for what purpose today, but 
good to have you back in the Committee again.
    He often shows up as a sacrificial lamb for the Department.
    Actually, Mr. Cochran, I want to thank you for being here 
and appreciate your testimony, and appreciate your independence 
in your thoughts today. I want to ask you a couple of 
questions.
    No. 1, you have spent a lot of time working on 
environmental issues and working in coastal Louisiana, but you 
made mention in your testimony of other large-scale ecological 
restoration efforts like Everglades, Chesapeake Bay, and Great 
Lakes. Could you reflect and share perhaps your opinion on kind 
of looking at the ecological significance of coastal Louisiana 
and the urgency that we are facing there compared to some of 
these other areas and projects, and if you think that this 
effort for restoration of Louisiana is deserving of a 
comprehensive effort and some type of urgency in the effort 
here?
    Mr. Cochran. Well, it won't surprise you that, yes, I do 
think it is critical for us to do that.
    One of the special things about the Gulf Coast, 
particularly around the Mississippi Delta, is that there is a 
phrase that was used years ago in a book about habitat called 
``the seams of nature,'' where the fresh water and salt water 
come together to create these estuaries, and they are magical 
for life in terms of the ability to sustain habitat, 
particularly for fisheries.
    One of the fun things about Louisiana if you like to fish, 
is that you can literally go out and catch a freshwater bass 
and a saltwater redfish on the same day in the same area, and 
that speaks to the sort of uniqueness of the area from a 
habitat perspective. That is not only valuable to Louisiana.
    Congressman, I am not quite sure how to compare and 
contrast the other areas around the country that----
    Mr. Graves. You can just say we are better.
    Mr. Cochran. What is that?
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Graves. I said you can just say we are better.
    Mr. Cochran. That is right. But it is a magical part of the 
world that is in grave danger, and I think it is a great time 
to be focusing on it now that we have some resources and have 
begun to restore what we are losing down there.
    Mr. Graves. Thank you, Mr. Cochran. I have often used the 
comparison of the 2,000 square miles, we cite that figure and a 
lot of times people don't really understand the scale. And as 
you well know, 2,000 square miles would mean that Rhode Island 
would no longer exist as a state, the land area in Delaware 
would no longer exist. This is a massive, massive swath of land 
and, as we have both noted, both in your testimony and in my 
introduction, the significance not just to the region but to 
the nation.
    Another project that is really fundamental to establishing 
some type of sustainable footprint in coastal Louisiana is a 
project that has a long history in the U.S. Army Corps of 
Engineers and the State Coastal Protection Restoration 
Authority. Previously known as Myrtle Grove, it is now known as 
Mid-Barataria, and I believe you are intimately familiar with 
that project and also aware that there were, in that case, some 
regulatory waivers that were provided in order to allow the 
project to move forward. And I believe your previous employer 
supported that because of a recognition of urgency, recognition 
that the regulatory process really didn't fit that type of 
project.
    I understand your concern, I don't know what word you use, 
I will use concern, with some of the regulatory provisions, but 
I do want to ask. Do you recognize that there is an urgency 
here, and that perhaps the regular regulatory process doesn't 
really fit the urgency that we are facing in the state?
    Mr. Cochran. I don't have any problem recognizing it, I 
have seen it. What takes a lot of time is us sitting down to 
actually figure out how to make it work, and that is 
frustrating as hell.
    There is no reason that we can't sit down with concerns in 
both directions and figure out how to make these processes 
work. We will lose. We will lose this fight between enhanced 
nature that we have and climate change and the land that we 
live on if we don't figure out how to make these things move 
faster.
    We cannot sacrifice community engagement. You referred to a 
change that was made, a waiver that was granted under the 
Marine Mammals Protection Act. And if you look at that 
language, what you find is it did not try to ignore impacts 
that might happen. In fact, it is required of the state to 
actually capture the information on that, to know what is going 
on, to continue to provide the information that is necessary so 
that we can adaptively manage for an outcome rather than just 
say in black and white, ``We are just going to exempt this.'' 
There was money required and put forward to actually do the 
supportive work that is necessary in order to be able to do 
that.
    So, I am not holding on to that as the model. I am saying 
there are ways to think about how not to give away the 
protections that are necessary, but how to get these things 
done in a time that actually honors the urgency that we have 
here.
    Mr. Graves. Well, speaking of time, we are out.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Graves. Mr. Cochran, thank you very much. I appreciate 
you being here, appreciate your testimony.
    And thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you.
    Ranking Member Huffman, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Huffman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Cochran, picking up where you left off, I want to thank 
you for your testimony, and I want to thank you for being 
friends with Garret Graves. I know from personal experience 
that is not always easy.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Huffman. But I very much appreciate your testimony. You 
are nominally a Republican witness, and we don't have too many 
Republican witnesses that come in here and acknowledge the 
elephant in the room, the climate crisis; that acknowledge the 
mismanagement of fossil fuel development historically; and that 
talk about the importance of an efficient but meaningful 
environmental review process so that we can stop bad projects 
and make other projects better. I just find it incredibly 
refreshing.
    And now that you are retired, I wish you were the 
Republican witness tomorrow, where this Committee will be 
considering a whole bunch of ill-advised legislation to gut 
NEPA as one of our bedrock environmental laws. But they 
probably don't have you on the agenda. I am grateful we have 
you here today.
    And let me just ask. We have covered, I think, the urgency 
of these restoration projects for the Gulf Coast, and I really 
do hope we can find a way to move these projects faster. But is 
a sweeping, categorical exclusion necessary, do you think, for 
this grant program? Can we find a better way to advance these 
projects without something as broad as a full categorical 
exclusion that could include things like levees and other 
projects that really do need to have some meaningful review?
    Mr. Cochran. I think my experience is that whenever you 
have a broad category, you end up drawing opposition. And what 
is most important is to focus on what will actually solve the 
problem. And in this case, one issue that always comes up, and 
it is almost never talked about, is whether or not there is 
sufficient staff available in the agencies that have to do the 
reviews to actually do the work in a meaningful way. Is there a 
way to make sure that we are doing not sequential reviews when 
there are multiple agencies involved, but actually do them at 
the same time?
    Mr. Huffman. Do it better.
    Mr. Cochran. Right. Some of that progress has been made 
under the dashboard that was put forward under Obama and 
carried forward under Trump. That is actually not Republican 
and Democrat if you want to talk about those. I think there are 
absolutely ways to address some of these things and think about 
them.
    But a category exclusion ends up bringing an awful lot of 
debate that ends up stopping conversation rather than make it 
move forward. That has been my experience.
    Mr. Huffman. Thank you. I appreciate that.
    Mr. Schmitz, just talking about Mr. Moore's legislation, it 
is a good idea, I think, to redirect these revenues back into 
the Pittman-Robertson Act. They shouldn't just go to the 
general treasury. We can have broad agreement on that.
    But this 90-day automatic approval of permit applications 
for the manufacture or sale of silencers, don't you think that 
this bill would be much more bipartisan if it wasn't in there? 
And would you support it if it was not in there?
    Mr. Schmitz. Congressman, thank you for that question.
    I do think it is important to make it clear that before the 
actual transfer of a suppressor can occur to the individual 
purchaser after ATF approves it, it will still go through an 
additional background check. Additionally, before that transfer 
occurs, local law enforcement is made aware of any individual 
who receives a suppressor.
    To answer your second question, yes, the Congressional 
Sportsmen's Foundation feels the 90-day timeline is important. 
Under current statute, under the----
    Mr. Huffman. Would you support the bill without it, though?
    Mr. Schmitz. Congressman, we feel it is important to 
include that.
    Mr. Huffman. But would you support the bill without it?
    Mr. Schmitz. We feel it is important to keep that piece----
    Mr. Huffman. We are going around and around. All right.
    Moving on, Mr. Guertin, I want to come back to the BIDEH 
rule. You have said many of these things before and my hope 
would be maybe, if you said it one more time, some people might 
hear it and listen to it. But does the proposed rule affect 
hunting or fishing in the refuge system at all?
    Mr. Guertin. No, Congressman, it would not.
    Mr. Huffman. Thank you. Does Fish and Wildlife anticipate 
any changes to the Cooperative Agriculture or Water Rights 
program if the proposed rule is finalized in its current form?
    Mr. Guertin. If it was finalized in its current form? No, 
sir. It would continue those programs.
    Mr. Huffman. And once finalized, will this rule give Fish 
and Wildlife Service any authority to ignore the role of states 
in managing wildlife populations?
    Mr. Guertin. No, sir.
    Mr. Huffman. All right. Does this rule, however, help the 
Fish and Wildlife Service carry out the directive that Congress 
gave you in 1997, when it passed the Refuge Improvement Act 
telling you to make sure to ensure the biological integrity, 
diversity, and environmental health of the refuge system?
    Mr. Guertin. Yes, sir. We believe it would give us a 
stronger framework going forward. It would empower our refuge 
managers to make sound, science-based decisions, and give them 
a lot of flexibility to deliver the mission out there.
    Mr. Huffman. All right. Very good.
    Thanks, I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. Chair Westerman is recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you, Chairman Bentz, and thank you to 
the witnesses today.
    Mr. Schmitz, in your testimony you mentioned that CFS 
strongly supports the Zinke legislation on corridors because it 
respects state and tribal wildlife management authority and 
private landowners. Can you speak to the importance of these 
protections in more detail?
    Mr. Schmitz. Congressman, thank you for that important 
question.
    On the state side of that question, state wildlife agencies 
are the primary managers of wildlife in the country. They are 
the ones that have the boots on the ground. They know the local 
conservation challenges, and they are able to tailor 
conservation measures accordingly.
    On the private landowners piece, as you know, private 
landowners are some of the best conservationists in this 
country. We feel that any piece of legislation that tries to 
deliver conservation on the ground needs to respect private 
landowners in a voluntary, non-regulatory manner.
    We feel very strongly that the savings language contained 
in this bill, particularly in Section 10, makes it clear that 
any conservation actions made available through this bill will 
be done in a voluntary, non-regulatory manner. And we 
appreciate Congressman Zinke and Congressman Beyer working very 
closely to develop Section 10.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you. Also, Mr. Schmitz, Representative 
Moore's Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation 
Act requires that a portion of the Pittman-Robertson Act 
allocation be set aside specifically for the maintenance, 
construction, and renovation of target shooting ranges. 
Elaborate on why this set-aside is so important.
    Mr. Schmitz. Congressman, that set-aside is important 
because recreational shooting is one of the fastest-growing 
sports across the country. And the reason is because all 
individuals can enjoy it, regardless of age, income, 
background.
    Additionally, because of how fast recreational shooting is 
growing across the country, it is critical to provide 
additional access to opportunities for sportsmen and women. I 
mentioned that recreational shooting can be enjoyed by folks 
regardless of income, but if you don't have private property or 
somewhere to shoot, you can be limited. So, we find it critical 
to build public shooting ranges for individuals to go out and 
safely practice recreational target shooting across the 
country.
    Mr. Westerman. Thank you.
    Mr. Guertin, in April, when the Subcommittee held an 
oversight hearing on the BIDEH proposal, Representative Graves 
asked you if sportsmen's organizations were engaged in the 
development of BIDEH, and you answered no. I have another 
question. Did U.S. Fish and Wildlife consult with any animal 
rights organizations when drafting the proposal, or did you 
have input from other organizations when drafting the proposal?
    Mr. Guertin. Thank you for your question, Mr. Chairman.
    While we were drafting with the proposal, we only reached 
with two entities, our colleagues in the state fish and game 
agencies and folks in tribal fish and wildlife agencies. We did 
not engage during the proposal process with any outside 
entities, NGOs, advocacy groups, or others, sir.
    Mr. Westerman. Do you realize that the Humane Society 
issued a detailed press release less than an hour after the 
proposal was made available to the public? Maybe they are just 
on their game.
    Mr. Guertin. I understand they did, sir. I can only 
speculate some of these groups prepare several of these canned 
announcements in advance. But I can assure you we did not do 
any outreach to that group prior to releasing the proposed 
rule.
    Mr. Westerman. All right, thank you.
    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. The Chair recognizes Congressman 
LaMalfa for 5 minutes.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Deputy Director Guertin, I 
am curious as to how closely are you monitoring the situation 
on the Klamath River after the destruction of the four dams and 
the amount of silt and effluent and all sorts of other things 
that are going down the river and have destroyed the entire 
fish and other wildlife population within the river and a lot 
of the other wildlife next to the river that has been either 
stuck in silt and muck and things like that?
    And was this part of the plan, with the destruction of 
those hydroelectric dams, that the river would be like this, 
someone gave me a sample the other day in a water bottle that 
looked like one of those green, healthy drinks, or something 
like that. It was so full of stuff, just as a random sample as 
well as the temperature readings, which are running from 68 to 
72 degrees in that river. How is that ideal habitat for salmon 
or any other fish?
    And was this part of the thinking when your organization, 
as well as others, were supporting the dam removal, that this 
would do this to the river for who knows how many years?
    Mr. Guertin. Thank you for your question, Congressman. I 
have been following it weekly, getting some updates from our 
counterparts out there at the operational level.
    My understanding is this was built into the planning. It is 
very common when some of these big control structures or dams 
come out. There will be sediment and silt initially that gets 
flushed out over time. And we are seeing in the long term 
stronger response and stronger returns of many of the aquatic 
species. Sometimes nature will take a little bit longer for 
equilibrium out there, but it is something we are monitoring.
    I get reports every week, but we are glad to keep you and 
your staff more further updated if some additional details 
would be helpful.
    Mr. LaMalfa. If it is a 7- to 10-year timeline and the life 
cycle of the salmon they are purportedly trying to save is 3 
years, how are we not going to wipe out the entire run, the 
entire cohort over a 7- to 10-year period?
    Mr. Guertin. Sir, I am not an expert on the physiology of 
the salmon and their return. But in very general terms, 
sometimes these things take a few weeks to clear out, sometimes 
a few months. I would be glad to track down some additional 
specific updates for your office on that point.
    Mr. LaMalfa. So, 20 million cubic yards of silt stretched 
over at least 150 miles of river might just take a few weeks or 
so, instead of the 7 to 10 years that is being rumored, which 
nobody was talking about before this happened of, oh, it might 
be 7 to 10 years or more.
    Mr. Guertin. Sir, this was factored into the conversations 
and the planning. Again, I am not a salmon or a river 
restoration specialist. I would be glad to set up some 
briefings. But these kinds of things are looked at when we 
looked at the long-term restoration plan for those----
    Mr. LaMalfa. Are the things looked at that affect the 
people along the river, such as the water wells that people 
have near there are now depleted, and that they are getting 
water trucked in, and sometimes the water doesn't get trucked 
into the homes?
    One time a worker there had a 5-gallon bucket of water and 
he gave it to a lady there, so that basically now you have 
people living Third World along the river there with all the 
sloughing and such. Is anything being done to mitigate that for 
the people that have been living along there, as well as the 
possible loss of their homes and things like that?
    Mr. Guertin. Congressman, I am just not personally aware of 
some of those circumstances. We will do what we can to help 
those folks, and I would be glad to, after this hearing, follow 
up and get you a more fulsome update of some of these impacts 
to citizens out there.
    Mr. LaMalfa. Mr. Spinrad from the NOAA, do you have any 
comment on the questions I just asked in that regard?
    Is this an acceptable loss of all the wildlife along the 
river for the 7- to 10-year period that it would take to 
perhaps flush this out?
    Voice. Mr. Spinrad is not here.
    Mr. LaMalfa. OK. I got in late, sorry.
    Well, why don't we have Mr. Leahy jump in on that question.
    Mr. Leahy. Could you repeat the question, please?
    Mr. LaMalfa. Is this an acceptable loss of all the wildlife 
within the river, and much of it along the edges for the 7- to 
10-year period in order to have this holy grail of the dam 
removal succeed?
    Mr. Leahy. I am not prepared to opine on that, but I do 
think that we feel like the long-term benefits of this will be 
really good.
    Mr. LaMalfa. And to the people along there that no longer 
have water for their homes because the water table has been 
depleted.
    Mr. Leahy. I don't personally have any knowledge of that, I 
am sorry.
    Mr. LaMalfa. A lot don't, do they? It is pretty convenient.
    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Bentz. The Chair recognizes Congressman Carl for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Carl. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank each one of 
you gentlemen for joining us today. I know you have to 
structure your schedule around us, and I apologize for being a 
little bit late, but I just want to start off by saying that 
Congressman Graves and I, we see eye to eye on the urgent need 
for coastal registration, pardon me on that word, especially 
given our shared work on the GOMESA funds and others to protect 
the Gulf.
    I want to thank you for the critical legislation that he 
has put together. It is a big step forward in securing our 
resources needed to preserve our coastal and protect our 
industries and our communities that depend on it.
    Given the urgencies of these issues and the national 
significance of the Gulf wetlands, ports, and energy 
production, this legislation presents a strategy approach to 
boosting ongoing efforts. The proposed Federal grant program 
from the National Marine Fisheries Services in the bill 
advocates $500 million, highlighting the scale of the 
investment required to protect these vital resources.
    With that said, Mr. Cochran, $500 million is no small 
figure. Given the many funding priorities facing our nation 
today as we have been scrambling with this for months now, can 
you help explain why this level of investment is critical for 
the coastal restoration across the Gulf Coast?
    Mr. Cochran. The testimony was to make clear that it is not 
just about the people of Louisiana, although they are at great 
risk, that it has to do with priorities for America having to 
do with energy production and distribution, having to do with 
fisheries and feeding people, having to do with our ability to 
even stay in place along the bottom of the Mississippi River.
    So, it is that serious. Sometimes from a distance it is 
hard to know that. If you go to New Orleans and have a good 
time and go home, you don't really see much of what is going on 
around it. And, in fact, we are losing, as I said, somewhere 
between 25 and 35 square miles every year to the Gulf of 
Mexico. If we don't interrupt that, we need to start moving 
about 2 million people from the coast of Louisiana. It is just 
really not more complicated than that in terms of the big 
picture. And if you think that is not a drain on the Federal 
coffers, wait until we try to do that. It is serious to spend 
money ahead of time, rather than to wait until we are reacting 
to that.
    Mr. Carl. I agree with you. What long-term benefits will 
the bill provide for the region, and how might these outcomes 
affect the broader national landscape?
    Mr. Cochran. It is fundamental to the, let's say, farmers 
of America. Let's start there. If we don't have the ability to 
use the ports of south Louisiana to distribute the things that 
we grow in this country and ship around the world, everybody 
suffers as a result of that. Farm prices suffer. Food prices 
suffer. People who make a living providing that for the world 
suffer. And it is black and white. It is a very large export 
center. That is why Thomas Jefferson wanted to own it in the 
first place, so that we could have that access to the rest of 
the world.
    Chemical products, many of which are manufactured in 
Louisiana, most of which are shipped out of that around the 
world, all of those things involve both the economy of 
Louisiana, but the economy of the nation and the process of 
moving forward.
    Energy distribution, most of the pipelines that literally 
take oil and gas from offshore and run it to the rest of the 
country run through wetlands. And they were built assuming land 
would stay in place. As the land goes away, all of those 
pipelines are at risk. So, the energy of America and the use of 
energy across America under the traditional circumstances are 
also directly at risk as a result of what we are facing down 
there.
    Mr. Carl. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield my time back.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. The Chair recognizes Ms. Hageman for 
5 minutes.
    Ms. Hageman. Thank you, and thank the witnesses for being 
here today.
    Deputy Director Guertin, before I get into some of the 
important bills in front of us today I would like to follow up 
with you on our last conversation. You told me in July that by 
the end of the month the Fish and Wildlife Service would 
release its 12-month finding on the Greater Yellowstone 
Ecosystem grizzly bear. And you also stated at that time, or 
agreed with me at that time, that if we had the number of bears 
in 1975 that we do today, which is about 1,100 head, they never 
would have been listed in the first place, meaning that the 
grizzly bear is in fact fully recovered.
    However, not only did the Service fail to come through with 
the release of its 12-month finding at the end of July, you 
actually delayed any decision until January 2025. Director 
Guertin, as I am sure you are aware, the Service is already in 
violation of the law by a long shot, by a year and a half or 
more, in fact, in terms of the amount of time under the 
Endangered Species Act.
    As you are sitting here today, the Fish and Wildlife 
Service is violating the Endangered Species Act with regard to 
the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear. It is unclear 
to me what changed in the 2 weeks between the July hearing and 
the announcement to postpone the 12-month finding to justify 
such an action. What happened?
    Mr. Guertin. Thank you for your question, Congresswoman.
    When I provided the testimony on July 10, my goal is always 
to provide the latest factual update information to members of 
the Committee. The very next day, on July 11, we received a 
notice of intent to sue from the state of Montana. So, over the 
intervening 2 weeks, the decision was made by the Department 
and the Service that we needed to address all three of the 
pending cases for the DPS for Greater Yellowstone.
    Ms. Hageman. But the notice of intent to sue was not for 
the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem.
    Mr. Guertin. Agreed, but we have to do an analysis of the 
DPS and the Lower 48----
    Ms. Hageman. No, our 12-month review was ahead of that. You 
have to follow the Endangered Species Act, and you were 
required to issue a decision within 12 months after receiving 
Wyoming's petition. Isn't that correct?
    Mr. Guertin. That is the statutory requirement. Yes, 
Congresswoman.
    Ms. Hageman. And, in fact, Montana is not suing over the 
Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear.
    Mr. Guertin. We filed a notice of intent for our failure to 
meet the determination for the DPS in the Northern Continental 
Divide Ecosystem.
    Ms. Hageman. So, what do we do? Who goes to jail? Who is 
fined at the Fish and Wildlife Service for violating the law? 
Who gets held accountable for this? Do you? Who gets held 
accountable?
    Mr. Guertin. Our stance at this point, Congresswoman, is 
that we are, and we have published a declaration given to the 
court that is available on our website, we are linking the 
three of these, and planning by January 31 to issue these 
findings for the Northern Continental Divide, for the Greater 
Yellowstone, and for the delisting that was petitioned for the 
Lower 48.
    Ms. Hageman. But that is not what the recovery plan 
required.
    Mr. Guertin. A recovery plan is a planning document. It is 
a blueprint. It is an aspirational document.
    Ms. Hageman. But you are agreeing that that is not what the 
recovery plan required, aren't you?
    Mr. Guertin. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Hageman. I would like to talk to you very briefly about 
the BIDEH rule. It creates a default position for the National 
Wildlife Refuge System by prohibiting certain practices unless 
the refuge managers conduct a full-blown NEPA analysis. Refuge 
managers would be required to complete an analysis to justify 
utilizing existing management practices that are necessary to 
meet statutory responsibilities and to maintain the health of 
the environment.
    Deputy Director Guertin, the Service states that the 
intended goal of this rulemaking is to promote management 
flexibility and empower refuge managers. How does prohibiting 
important agricultural practices prohibiting predator control, 
prohibiting the utilization of genetically modified crops, and 
prohibiting the utilization of pesticides provide greater 
flexibility for refuge managers?
    Mr. Guertin. Congresswoman, I guess your question is 
getting to the default language that is in the proposed rule 
that an action is prohibited unless we do our homework, we do 
the science, we show our work.
    We believe that many of those practices, particularly 
agriculture, will continue because they are used to mimic a lot 
of natural functions.
    Ms. Hageman. But that is not the default position, is it?
    Mr. Guertin. No, I am not disagreeing with that. I am 
saying we are still going to go through this homework, and then 
allow agriculture to----
    Ms. Hageman. How does requiring a full-blown NEPA analysis 
for existing practices provide additional flexibility?
    Mr. Guertin. Well, the BIDEH proposal, in and of itself, is 
not requiring a full-blown NEPA analysis. We rely on the 
existing and underlying analyses that are in place. The same 
with the Cooperative Agriculture Agreements. We will address 
those when they are up next time, 5 years, 6 years, and address 
them at that time. I would be glad to follow up with your 
office for some more----
    Ms. Hageman. Well, I would like you to follow up with my 
office. In fact, I really would have appreciated had you 
followed up with my office the next day after the hearing, when 
you assured me that we would have a 12-month finding related to 
the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. And I am actually very 
surprised that you failed to notify my office of that when you 
were going to take a different route, having, in fact, 
testified to something different the day before.
    Mr. Guertin. Well, I certainly apologize for any confusion. 
Not to argue with you, I understand your office was contacted 
later in the month, but we can certainly do a better job, I am 
sorry, I can't see you over the gentleman there, we can do a 
better job reaching out to you in the future and giving you 
more fulsome updates as they come along.
    Ms. Hageman. Please do.
    Mr. Guertin. We would be glad to. Yes, ma'am.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. Congressman Grothman is recognized 
for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Grothman. Mr. Guertin, under the Service's proposed 
biological integrity, diversity, and environmental health rule 
would a refuge manager be able to determine that hunting was 
not compatible with biological integrity, diversity, 
environmental health, and shut it down?
    Mr. Guertin. Hunting is, for lack of a better term, 
enshrined in our underlying organic statute, the Refuge 
Improvement Act. And it is one of our premier uses on the 
refuge system. We do not believe the BIDEH proposal would shut 
down any hunting opportunities. If anything, they are subject 
to a standalone process.
    Mr. Grothman. Is that a blanket no?
    Mr. Guertin. No, it wouldn't shut it down.
    Mr. Grothman. OK. Under no circumstances. OK.
    The Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies met with the 
Service prior to publication of the rule and expressed concern 
that it would limit hunting and limit states' ability to manage 
fish and wildlife. Why are AFWA's comments and concerns on the 
rule not incorporated or referenced?
    Mr. Guertin. As I mentioned in response to the 
Congresswoman from Wyoming's question, or I am sorry, Chairman 
Westerman's questions, we worked very closely with the 
Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, our state fish and 
game partners during the proposed rule stage. We tried to 
address as many of their comments as we could. In the end, if 
we didn't, there was probably a professional agreement there. 
But the goal is always to turn to our colleagues in the state 
fish and game agencies first.
    And now we have gotten comments from them from this open 
comment period. We have had some follow-up meetings with them, 
and those are the kind of things we are working through now to 
try to get to the bottom of some of what their concerns were to 
us.
    Mr. Grothman. So, do you think there will be changes made 
eventually in the rule?
    Mr. Guertin. I can't speculate because it is still, with 
200,000 comments that came in in these follow-up meetings, a 
lot to chew through. But our director has charged us with 
hearing people out, doing some follow-up with them, and trying 
our best to incorporate those at a future point.
    Mr. Grothman. OK, I will go back to my last question. I 
mentioned hunting. How about fishing? Could you see any 
restrictions on fishing?
    Mr. Guertin. Congressman, none whatsoever. We allow fishing 
on hundreds of our refuges. I am an avid angler myself, and 
will keep an eye on that for myself.
    Mr. Grothman. So, categorically, that could never happen 
under this rule?
    Mr. Guertin. I don't believe there is a very strong chance 
of it being barred because of BIDEH. No, sir.
    Mr. Grothman. So, probably not.
    Mr. Guertin. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Grothman. OK. Would you please describe the services 
and cooperation of cooperative agriculture when drafting the 
changes made to BIDEH?
    Mr. Guertin. You want a clarification on how we are working 
with Cooperative Agriculture Agreements?
    Mr. Grothman. Well, your incorporation of cooperative 
agriculture when drafting the changes.
    Mr. Guertin. I have some statistics here for you. We 
currently have over 1,700, almost 1,800, Cooperative 
Agricultural Agreements with some 90,000 acres that we are 
working with. We use a lot of these for row crops and others. 
It helps us meet our duck energy production targets for 
waterfowl management purposes.
    If a producer or farmer had just signed a CAA with us in 
the last couple of years, they have a 5-year duration. The next 
time that we will talk to them about what that means under our 
proposed new BIDEH regulation would be at that point when it is 
up for renewal. We are just embracing everything coming 
forward.
    But we do use haying, grazing, agriculture significantly to 
help us meet our wildlife management objectives. And we 
believe, if adopted and finalized, the BIDEH regulations would 
allow us to continue that partnership. It is good for 
conservation, good for wildlife, and it benefits many of our 
partners on those landscapes.
    Mr. Grothman. Can you clarify what entails the definition 
of a native predator as included in the updated BIDEH 
regulation?
    Mr. Guertin. We did a lot of work with the state fish and 
game agencies on that. There was a lot of concern because it is 
in a lot of state statutes, Federal regulations, and others. We 
went with a simplistic approach: an animal that eats others or 
preys on others.
    And we also got a lot of feedback, particularly from the 
states and from our colleagues up in Alaska. There is a lot of 
concern about predator control, and people hunt for predators, 
too. So, we made sure that that would be allowed to continue, 
and not tying it into some of the more controversial predator 
control.
    Mr. Grothman. I will ask you this, the thing I have a 
problem with. In Wisconsin, like I said, we have a really good 
conservation system. We come up with all our own rules. Nobody 
accuses our DNR of being conservative, I don't think. 
Generally, the opposite. Nevertheless, it seems to work well.
    Could you explain why you feel that you are going to be 
better than a State DNR, Department of Natural Resources, when 
it comes to things like determining whether or not you can take 
predators?
    Mr. Guertin. Sir, we don't think it is a turf battle. We 
defer to our state colleagues on many cases.
    Mr. Grothman. Well, many cases. The concern is on some you 
won't.
    Mr. Guertin. Sure. I think we are going to run out of time 
here, but we would be glad to follow up with you or your staff 
here in DC or your district to finish answering your question.
    Mr. Grothman. Do you feel there are problems, like the 
Wisconsin DNR is doing anything wrong today that you feel that 
you have to come up with this big rule?
    Mr. Guertin. No, sir, not at all.
    Mr. Grothman. Any other place around the country you feel 
that----
    Mr. Bentz. The gentleman's time has expired. One last 
question.
    Mr. Grothman. Yes. Is there anywhere around the country you 
can give us an example why you feel this new power should be 
exercised?
    Mr. Guertin. We don't view it as a power, sir. We provide 
consistent guidance to our refuge managers to work with their 
partners in their geography going forward.
    And, again, we would be glad to follow up with you or your 
staff here to work through some of your concerns, if I can 
finish.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. The Chair recognizes Congressman 
Beyer for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Beyer. Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member, thank you very 
much, and thank you for allowing me to waive on.
    I thought former Secretary and Congressman Zinke did a 
great job describing the wildlife corridors bill before us. I 
wanted to add two things.
    First, I came to that from the perspective of the 
Endangered Species Act and our working group on endangered 
species, and I am particularly inspired by professor E.O. 
Wilson, who is the great ant entomologist who had written a 
number of books. But he was the one who came up with the idea 
of biodiversity. And biodiversity fails when animals can't 
procreate together. And the whole notion of being able to take 
pockets of endangered species and allow them to come together, 
whether they are Florida panthers, or monarch butterflies, or 
grizzly bears, is really quite incredible.
    The other perspective is I was a car dealer for 46 years. 
It is amazing, the number of automobile accidents in Virginia 
that are cars hitting deer, primarily, and bears, a couple 
recently in northern Virginia. The body shop profits that are 
made on the basis of not having wildlife corridors is very 
significant. So, thank you for being part of this.
    Mr. Leahy, you highlighted that many species, especially 
big game species, serve to benefit from these investments in 
wildlife habitat connectivity. Could you just further describe 
how you see it affecting things like Florida panthers?
    And do we have enough adequate resources at the state and 
local government to do this?
    Mr. Leahy. Thank you, Congressman Beyer, and thank you for 
your leadership on this bill and this issue over many years.
    The one aspect of the Wildlife Movement Through 
Partnerships bill is that it does open up these processes in 
the bill to all states, all vertebrate wildlife. It is focused 
on terrestrial migrations and movements. So, a species like the 
Florida panther or other species in other states, proposals 
could be put in to do projects in support of those species.
    But I think the partnership aspect of the bill is important 
here, because it would still be proposals that are supported by 
the state or the relevant tribe, and are done in partnership 
and through collaboration. But it has taken some of these 
models that have worked really well for big game in the West 
and applying them to more species.
    I do not think there are nearly enough resources at the 
state or local level, or the Federal level for that matter, to 
address this. But as far as the grant program, these will be 
proposals and applications. So, there is opportunity to spread 
the wealth around a little bit.
    Mr. Beyer. And I appreciate your comment and Mr. Zinke's, 
too, about the light touch, that we are not trying to mandate 
where these corridors should be, that we leave these up to the 
local governments, the state governments that understand the 
species.
    And Mr. Schmitz, I am really thankful for the Congressional 
Sportsmen Foundation's endorsement. It is very helpful. Can you 
speak about the current collaborations between localities and 
the USGS corridor mapping team regarding the protection of 
sensitive data?
    I am particularly concerned about safeguards in the 
publicized ungulate migrations of the western U.S. maps.
    Mr. Schmitz. Congressman, thank you very much for that 
question, and thank you, as well, for your leadership on this 
important effort.
    One of the important ways that USGS has gone about the 
mapping piece is it has all been done in a voluntary, non-
regulatory manner. USGS has a lot of these capabilities and the 
staff here in DC and across the country, and they have been 
able to leverage the on-the-ground expertise with state 
agencies, and have been able to develop agreements with state 
agencies and allow the states to dictate the terms of what 
information can and cannot be shared. And USGS has done a 
tremendous job respecting that, and we appreciate their 
commitment to do that.
    Mr. Beyer. Great, thank you very much.
    Deputy Director Guertin, you are obviously ground zero. 
What is your perspective on wildlife corridors and how it 
complements what you do at U.S. Fish and Wildlife?
    Mr. Guertin. It complements, it drives a lot of our 
mission, Congressman. It is all about connectivity and 
corridors. We do this work both under Secretary Zinke's vision 
and leadership with big game, but we also do it with migratory 
birds. We do it with pollinators and butterflies. We do it with 
waterfowl.
    And I know you just had the Migratory Bird Commission 
meeting this morning to talk about the stepping stone necklace 
of refuges that birds go through to get their duck energy day 
fulfilled every day so they can continue the migration. It is a 
cornerstone of biology and conservation, and our Partners for 
Fish and Wildlife program and Coastal Program and others are 
our ground zero for delivering that mission with the support of 
Congress here.
    Mr. Beyer. Great. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. The Chair recognizes Congressman Smith for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Smith. Thank you, Chairman Bentz, and for the 
opportunity to join all of you in committee here today, the 
Natural Resources Committee, as we consider important pieces of 
legislation.
    I would also like to thank County Board Chair from 
Hitchcock County, Nebraska, Paul Nichols, for taking the time 
to join us here on the panel.
    I am proud to represent the 3rd district of Nebraska, which 
is home to the reservoirs under discussion today. This is an 
issue which impacts constituents in my district and beyond. My 
bill, the Swanson and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances 
Act, would provide long-term certainty for those who have spent 
generations building a ``home away from home,'' also the 
businesses which depend on the revenue brought in from visitors 
and certainly locals who enjoy recreational activities on the 
reservoirs.
    Mr. Nichols, can you discuss the relationship that Frontier 
and Hitchcock Counties have with the concessionaires, impacted 
businesses and local owners, and how have you worked together 
on this issue?
    And if you could turn on your microphone there so we can 
all hear you, even though most everyone has already heard from 
you.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Nichols. Dawna Vap came to us 2 years ago, and said 
that the Bureau was looking at closing executive use of the 
concessionaire and stuff, and wanted to know if there was 
anything we could do to help. So, we had public meetings. We 
met with the Bureau and invited them to come down and explain 
everything to us. And they told us that we needed to work with 
our Senators or Nebraska delegates to develop a bill that they 
could transfer ownership of the land to another government 
entity. And we had a lot of public meetings about it and 
everything.
    We had no opposition. This is something that is vital to 
our area. Like at Swanson, most of my reference is going to be 
Swanson, because that is where we are from, 110 trailers there, 
so that put us somewhere around probably 500 people in the 
summer, and like Culberson and Trenton, Trenton has 300 and 
some, I think it is, and Culberson has 500. So, it is very 
beneficial to our area for the economy and stuff. And they pay 
taxes, which is beneficial to the schools and everything, and 
that is why we are here today is because the Bureau said they 
want to do a transfer and stuff.
    Mr. Smith. It seems like a well-vetted approach with input 
from stakeholders at all levels. So, I certainly appreciate 
that.
    Can you attest to Frontier and Hitchcock Counties having 
the means and ability to take ownership of the land and to 
manage it?
    Mr. Nichols. Yes. We are going to receive money from rent 
to the concessionaires and stuff, so that will help for 
payment. But we have also had people come forward that are 
willing to donate the money. There will be no tax money used, 
it will all be individual money to pay for the land. We have to 
have it assessed by a Federal inspector or Federal appraiser, 
and they will set the value, and then the Bureau will be paid 
for that amount.
    And we are only talking small acreages, a total of 77 acres 
and that is less than 0.05 percent of the land. And it will 
still remain used for the public. It will be open. The 
concessionaire has a cafe, they sell the fishing equipment and 
stuff for the lake, and permits and everything, and it is going 
to be open for the public. As it has been for the last 40-some 
years.
    Mr. Smith. And just for the purpose of awareness, Hitchcock 
County, the population in 2022 was 2,598. That is county-wide, 
right?
    Mr. Nichols. Right.
    Mr. Smith. That is not just at the lake or in a 
neighborhood.
    Mr. Nichols. Right, and actually, the lake does not fall 
into that county because that is off the census. And those 
people at the lake mostly live in other areas and stuff.
    Mr. Smith. So, your handout here that states there are 
three restaurants in the entire county, is that right?
    Mr. Nichols. Yes.
    Mr. Smith. And if you lost this one at the lake, that would 
reduce that to two?
    Mr. Nichols. To two.
    Mr. Smith. Right. And then, for Frontier County, a similar 
population county-wide, although 30 percent more restaurants, 
with four instead of three.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. Smith. Anyway, I jest, but certainly I really 
appreciate the whole process here that the community has gone 
through out of concern for one another, out of concern for our 
local communities and economies, and certainly, the handout 
here points out not just the restaurants, but other parts of 
the local economy, including property taxes, but the marinas, 
the repair shops perhaps, the farmers co-op. The list is quite 
long of those who would be negatively impacted if the Bureau's 
original plan were to go through.
    But I appreciate what seems to be cooperation at many 
levels, and I look forward hopefully to this being resolved 
soon, and certainly appreciate the indulgence of the Committee 
to not only hear me out, but to also take up the legislation.
    Thank you, I yield back.
    Mr. Bentz. Thank you. The Chair recognizes himself for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Nichols, I recognize your community. It is just like 
mine. I remember attending a town hall meeting one time, and 
there were a couple of folks running for county commissioner, I 
think, and someone during the question and answer period asked 
one of the ladies who was running, ``If you are elected, who is 
going to be our cook at the local restaurant?'' The concern was 
in a small community you have to have these things, and there 
are very few people to replace them.
    But I digress. I need to ask some questions, as opposed to 
just comment. So, let me ask this question of you, Mr. Cochran.
    The amount of money that is necessary is a lot. I think I 
saw $50 billion, maybe $100 billion to take care of the 
situation that is ongoing because, of course, that is the way a 
river works. If we go ahead and make this investment, aren't we 
really setting the stage for having to make the next one? 
Because if we don't, don't we run the risk of losing the 
investment we have just made?
    Mr. Cochran. Well, there are two risks there. I will try to 
parse it between the two.
    Mr. Bentz. Keep it very short, because I have to get to Mr. 
Guertin. I have some really tough questions for him. He 
deserves them.
    Go ahead, short.
    Mr. Cochran. If we don't, yes, we risk losing what we have 
invested. If we do, we have the opportunity to maintain not 
just that part of the world, but all of the benefits that are 
associated with it. Because if we don't, we don't just lose the 
investment, we lose all of the benefits that exist today, as 
they go away.
    Mr. Bentz. Right, and it would be helpful if you did. 
Everyone that is supportive of this, and I am, I was one of the 
people risking my life in the helicopter a couple of weeks ago 
as we flew over miles, and miles, and miles of what used to be 
land and now is not, so I get it. So, if I could have those 
existing investments that are at risk, I would like to see the 
list. And I certainly listened to Congressman Graves, but the 
written summary would be welcome.
    Mr. Guertin, the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is in my 
district back in Oregon. And for many, many years cattle grazed 
upon it in a cooperative way. And there was zero doubt that the 
presence of cattle, when appropriately managed, helped with the 
birds that use that refuge. Correct or not?
    In other words, I have in front of me, of course, any 
number of studies that indicate that appropriately managed 
grazing helps with birds. So, just tell me, do I have this 
right?
    Mr. Guertin. Yes, Mr. Chairman, we would agree with that. 
Appropriately managed grazing does benefit many types of 
habitat and benefits wildlife. That is why we have 1.9 million 
acres of grazing with partners on the refuge system. It helps 
us meet our mission, but we do the homework to make sure it 
will be compatible with----
    Mr. Bentz. You do the homework, and that is why the rule is 
so problematic. You have always done the homework, and yet this 
rule imposes a higher burden upon you than already existed 
since 2001. So, why the bias? Why the bias suddenly against 
cooperative Ag and natural predator management? I don't get it. 
Why has this higher barrier been raised when we all know these 
types of things were working?
    Mr. Guertin. Mr. Chairman, we earnestly and sincerely don't 
believe we are raising the bar or----
    Mr. Bentz. OK. If I may, let me just read this to you. It 
says the rule, if finalized, would make sweeping changes to the 
ability of refuge managers to utilize key management tools. 
Certain practices, such as native predator control and 
cooperative Ag, are prohibited unless refuge managers fully 
evaluate the potential environmental impacts of the management 
activity in accordance with NEPA.
    So, why do you say that nothing has changed?
    And why do we need the rule if nothing has changed?
    Mr. Guertin. You are talking about the default provision 
that is in there, Mr. Chairman. We are following the law, the 
National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act. We have many 
things that we are required to do in there. We allow a lot of 
compatible uses----
    Mr. Bentz. But are you saying the rule does not raise the 
bar for cooperative Ag?
    Mr. Guertin. We don't believe it will add a new burden. 
These Cooperative Agriculture Agreements that are in place will 
just carry forward.
    Mr. Bentz. Then why do we need the rule?
    Mr. Guertin. Because we are trying to be more consistent, 
Mr. Chairman, trying to give our refuge managers a larger 
goalpost to aim toward, and because the previous rule----
    Mr. Bentz. OK, I get it. So, what you are saying is some of 
your refuges were apparently allowing too much cooperative Ag. 
And you want consistency with the highest level or the lowest 
level?
    Mr. Guertin. We want to empower them to make local 
decisions.
    Mr. Bentz. Well, you can't have consistency if you are 
going to empower each of them to do something different.
    Mr. Guertin. Well, Mr. Chairman, there is also a 
consistency issue with the previous rule that had us try to 
manage toward historic conditions we could never achieve. And 
in the intervening 20 years we are addressing a lot more of 
climatic-related impacts, sea level rise. So, we need a more 
consistent approach, system-wide and for the refuges.
    But we are glad to follow up with you and your staff, and 
we are taking to heart your comments. We have 200,000 of them, 
and we are working through them, sir.
    Mr. Bentz. And I appreciate (a) your patience, and (b) your 
work.
    That concludes our questions, but I do want to ask 
unanimous consent that a letter of support for H.R. 6352 and 
H.R. 8836 from the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies be 
submitted into the record, and a letter of support on H.R. 8836 
from 26 conservation organizations.
    Without objection, so ordered.

    [The information follows:]

                        Statement for the Record
                      Charles F. Sykes, President
                Association of Fish & Wildlife Agencies
                       on H.R. 6352 and H.R. 8836

    The Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies (``Association'') is 
the professional organization that represents the collective voice of 
the fish and wildlife agencies in all 50 states, the U.S. Virgin 
Islands, and District of Columbia (``state agencies''). These agencies 
exercise primary statutory authority for management of fish and 
wildlife as public trust resources within their borders. We thank the 
Subcommittee on Water, Oceans, and Wildlife (``Subcommittee'') for its 
ongoing leadership ensuring the ability of state agencies and their 
federal partners to manage the species and habitats they are entrusted 
to steward. We offer the following statement for consideration as 
deliberations continue on H.R. 6352, the Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for 
Wildlife and Recreation Act and H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement 
Through Partnerships Act, and stand ready to assist on these or any 
other matters related to the responsible management of our nation's 
fish and wildlife.
H.R. 6352 the Tax Stamp Revenue Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation 
        Act

    The Association strongly supports H.R. 6352, the Tax Stamp Revenue 
Transfer for Wildlife and Recreation Act. This legislation would 
significantly bolster the ability of state agencies to deliver on their 
mission as stewards of wildlife and habitats by allocating 85% of 
firearm suppressor tax stamp revenues to the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife 
Restoration Trust Fund (PR). The foundational pillar of the American 
System of Conservation Funding, PR apportions funds generated by excise 
taxes on firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment directly to State 
Fish and Wildlife Agencies to enable the scientific management of 
wildlife and habitats.

    Thanks to these funds, over 35.5 million acres and 9,000 Wildlife 
Management Areas are maintained and operated, with research, 
monitoring, and inventory conducted for more than 500 species of birds 
and mammals. Pittman-Robertson not only ensures healthy habitats and 
abundant populations, but also fuels the ``user pays--public benefits'' 
cycle of success contributing to the $563.7 billion outdoor economy 
that accounts for 2.2% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product (GDP). 
With the addition of revenues from suppressor tax stamps, which are 
estimated to contribute between $150 million to $170 million annually 
if H.R. 6352 is enacted, Congress can build on and supercharge this 
enduring legacy of conservation.

    Suppressors are increasingly popular accessories that improve 
ballistics, enhance accuracy, reduce recoil, and alleviate hearing 
impairment while reducing user conflicts. Suppressors are one of the 
most vital and effective tools to recruiting and retaining new 
demographics of hunters and shooters, particularly women and young 
people to shooting sports. Given their increased popularity and use 
within the hunting and shooting sport community, we urge Congress to 
pass this legislation so these funds can more appropriately go to fund 
the very conservation and shooting activities authorized under PR.
H.R. 8836 the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act

    The Association strongly supports H.R. 8836, the Wildlife Movement 
Through Partnerships Act. Secretarial Order 3362 (SO 3362), Improving 
Habitat Quality in Western Big-Game Winter Range and Migration 
Corridors, has enabled significant and impactful conservation efforts 
that have improved the habitat for some of our nation's most iconic 
wildlife species, including elk, mule deer, and pronghorn. The 
voluntary and collaborative approach directed in SO 3362 has proven to 
be a model of effective conservation that respects the rights of 
landowners and incorporates the roles and authorities of state agencies 
to ensure critical wildlife movement and migration areas are conserved 
and enhanced.

    Under SO 3362, the Bureau of Land Management, in collaboration with 
state fish and wildlife agencies, Tribal governments, conservation 
organizations, landowners, and other stakeholders, has successfully 
removed or modified over 1,250 miles of fencing to facilitate the 
natural movement and migration of wildlife. This work has directly 
contributed to the improvement of over 3 million acres of big game 
habitat, including over 1 million acres located in state-identified 
migration corridors. These accomplishments represent real, tangible 
improvements to the ecosystems that sustain these species and, by 
extension, the outdoor heritage that is so deeply valued by Americans 
across the country.

    State fish and wildlife agencies have been integral to these 
efforts, contributing their local expertise and ensuring that habitat 
improvement projects are concentrated in the areas where they are most 
needed, particularly those identified in State Wildlife Action Plans. 
The results have been remarkable: approximately 2.9 million acres of 
habitat have been enhanced for mule deer, 1.7 million acres for elk, 
and 1.9 million acres for pronghorn. Beyond the numbers, these efforts 
have also led to improved ecosystem health, benefiting not just big 
game, but also the diverse plant, animal, and fish species that share 
these habitats.

    Connectivity and migration work is of course already being 
conducted across the states for more than just big game species. For 
example, Florida's connectivity efforts have improved habitats relied 
upon by federally listed species and state Species of Greatest 
Conservation need including the Florida panther, the population of 
which has rebounded twentyfold since it was originally listed, and the 
red-cockaded woodpecker, which the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has 
proposed to reclassify from endangered to threatened. The success of 
these initiatives underscores the importance of complementary programs 
such as the Wildlife Crossings Pilot Program administered by the 
Department of Transportation, and the need for continuing and expanding 
the voluntary, grassroots approach to conservation of SO 3362 to the 
rest of the country.

    This is a winning strategy for both conservation and the economy. 
By expanding these projects, we are not only safeguarding our natural 
resources but also supporting the outdoor recreation economy, which is 
vital to Americans and their local communities. We urge Congress to 
support H.R. 8836 and to provide the necessary resources to build on 
the successes state, federal, tribal, and private partners have already 
achieved.

    We again thank the Subcommittee for its consideration of the 
perspectives of state agencies and the expertise of on-the-ground 
natural resource managers, and we are glad to offer our assistance on 
these or any other matters relevant to the management of our nation's 
fish and wildlife resources.

                                 ______
                                 

                                             September 10, 2024    

Hon. Bruce Westerman, Chair
Hon. Raul Grijalva, Ranking Member
House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Re: Support for H.R. 8836--the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships 
        Act

    Dear Chair Westerman and Ranking Member Grijalva:

    On behalf of the millions of hunters, recreational shooters, and 
natural resource management professionals we collectively represent, we 
write to express our strong support for the Wildlife Movement Through 
Partnerships Act. This bipartisan legislation supports proven 
approaches to effectively and strategically apply conservation 
activities that improve the ability for wildlife to make necessary 
life-sustaining movements.

    Secretarial Order 3362 (Improving Habitat Quality in Western Big-
Game Winter Range and Migration Corridors) has been a tremendously 
successful effort and is well supported by a wide diversity of 
organizations and individuals. Importantly, implementation of the Order 
provided a template for how to conduct true collaboration between the 
federal government, states, conservation organizations, and other 
stakeholders. To ensure continued success, the Wildlife Movement 
Through Partnerships Act seeks to codifying the Order by making into 
law and strengthen it by expanding the focus beyond three species and 
11 western states. H.R. 8836 incorporates the expertise of state, 
tribal, federal, non-profit, and private individuals and agencies, 
which ensures that public funds are used efficiently and effectively, 
by formalizing the voluntary and non-regulatory conservation approach 
of Secretarial Order 3362. H.R. 8836 supports wildlife conservation 
while respecting the rights of property owners, state wildlife 
management authority, tribal sovereignty and embraces the multiple-use 
management of federal lands.

    As organizations committed to the stewardship of our natural 
resources in the most practical and effective manner, we understand 
that the health of our ecosystems, and ultimately human populations, is 
closely tied to the survival and well-being of big game (i.e. elk, 
deer, pronghorn, moose, wild sheep) and other wildlife species. 
Ensuring the conservation and enhancement of habitats along, and 
connected by, movement routes is essential to maintain the 
functionality of entire ecosystems across this country.

    We urge your committee to swiftly mark up and pass the Wildlife 
Movement Through Partnerships Act.

            Sincerely,

        Association of Fish and 
        Wildlife Agencies             National Wildlife Federation

        Backcountry Hunters & 
        Anglers                       North American Grouse Partnership

        Boone and Crockett Club       Pheasants Forever

        Camp Fire Club of America     Quail Forever

        Catch-A-Dream Foundation      Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
        Congressional Sportsmen's 
        Foundation                    Safari Club International

        Dallas Safari Club            Sportsmen's Alliance

        Houston Safari Club           The Wildlife Society

        Masters of Foxhounds 
        Association                   Theodore Roosevelt Conservation 
                                      Partnership

        Mule Deer Foundation          Whitetails Unlimited

        National Association of 
        Forest Service Retirees       Wild Sheep Foundation

        National Bobwhite & 
        Grassland Initiative 
        Foundation                    Wildlife Forever

        National Deer Association     Wildlife Management Institute

                                 ______
                                 

    Mr. Bentz. With that, I want to thank the witnesses for 
their testimony and the Members for their questions.
    The members of the Committee may have some additional 
questions for the witnesses, and we will ask you to respond to 
these in writing. Under Committee Rule 3, members of the 
Committee must submit questions to the Subcommittee Clerk by 5 
p.m. Eastern Time on Friday, September 13. The hearing record 
will be held open for 10 business days for these responses.
    If there is no further business, without objection, the 
Subcommittee stands adjourned.

    [Whereupon, at 4:05 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]

            [ADDITIONAL MATERIALS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD]

                        Statement for the Record
                         Bureau of Reclamation
                    U.S. Department of the Interior
                              on H.R. 8413

    Reclamation plays an important role in meeting the increasing 
public demand for water-based outdoor recreation facilities and 
opportunities. The recreation areas developed as a result of 
Reclamation water projects provide approximately 6.5 million acres of 
land and water that is largely available for public outdoor recreation. 
Among these expansive public resources are several facilities in 
Nebraska where Reclamation has worked to improve the use of and access 
to recreation for the benefit of the public. In 2023, this included 
efforts to begin implementing improvement plans for the Swanson and Red 
Willow Reservoir concession areas. The proposed improvements are 
intended to support a blend of dispersed camping and developed 
facilities such as camper hookups, tiny house cabin sites, shower 
houses and trails that add to the diversity of recreation opportunities 
and experiences at the two sites.
    The redevelopment plans have been in the making for more than 23 
years and are intended to address several hazards concerning life 
safety and utility compliance with federal, state, and local 
regulations at the concession areas. Reclamation's proposed 
improvements to the sites were intended to increase public access to 
the requested recreation facilities.
    However, these proposed changes resulted in some concerns from the 
local communities that currently make use of some existing private 
exclusive use legacy cabin facilities and who wish to continue to do so 
under the present arrangement, despite the age and condition of several 
of these facilities. In response to these concerns, the Nebraska 
delegation requested time to work with Reclamation and local parties to 
find a different long-term solution that accommodates the current 
residents' desires. That effort has resulted in H.R. 8413 the Swanson 
and Hugh Butler Reservoirs Land Conveyances Act. Absent enactment of 
this legislation, Reclamation intends to continue with its original 
redevelopment plans in 2025.
    The facilities to be conveyed under H.R. 8413 are counted among the 
numerous dams, canals, and hydropower plants constructed by Reclamation 
that provide water and power across the 17 western states. For most of 
these project facilities, Reclamation has transferred all or part of 
the responsibility for operation, maintenance, and replacement to a 
project beneficiary. Title, or ownership, to Reclamation facilities, 
however, remains with the United States Government unless Congress 
passes legislation directing otherwise.
    The transfer of title divests Reclamation of responsibility for the 
operation, maintenance, replacement, management, regulation of, and 
most of the liability for Federal interests in lands and project 
facilities, while providing non-Federal entities with greater autonomy 
and flexibility to manage the facilities.
    In 2019 the John D. Dingell, Jr. Conservation, Management, and 
Recreation Act (P.L. 116-9) was signed into law. Title VIII of this Act 
provides Reclamation with authority to transfer title to certain 
eligible facilities to qualifying entities without separate and 
individual acts of Congress. However, P.L. 116-9 outlined provisions 
that excluded title transfer authority for certain facilities. 
Reclamation has determined that this exclusion applies to the transfer 
of the recreational land at Swanson Reservoir and Hugh Butler Reservoir 
in the State of Nebraska in lieu of site-specific legislation. H.R. 
8413 would then provide Reclamation with the necessary authority to 
convey title to land at both reservoirs, subject to its various 
conditions.
    In general, the intent of H.R. 8413 is to provide a path for 
Frontier and Hitchcock Counties in Nebraska to take ownership of 
certain Federal lands that would otherwise be redeveloped for public 
recreation use. H.R. 8413 enables local management of the recreational 
lands and alleviates Reclamation's administrative oversight and 
management responsibilities of the land. Section 3 of H.R. 8413 would 
provide for the transfer of requested lands at Swanson Reservoir to 
Hitchcock County. This includes a 20-acre public concession, a 21.5-
acre private concession, and 11 private cabin lots totaling 
approximately 6-acres. Section 4 of H.R. 8413 would similarly provide 
for the transfer of lands at Red Willow Reservoir to Frontier County. 
This includes a 23-acre public concession and 8 private cabin lots 
totaling approximately 6.5-acres.
    The sequence for transfer under H.R. 8413 largely follows 
Reclamation's standard process for title transfer as included within 
Reclamation Manual Directives and Standards, CMP 11-01. For each 
potential transfer, H.R. 8413 includes several stipulations. These 
include: that the transfer for each requested site proceeds in whole 
and is not subdivided; that each area continues to be managed for 
substantially the same current purpose; that the final transfer 
contains the necessary leases, permits, rights-of-way, easements, and 
terms necessary to ensure the title transfer would not result in an 
adverse impact on existing water or power delivery obligations; and 
that the transfer complies with all applicable federal and state laws.
    For each transfer, H.R. 8413 directs Reclamation to make an offer 
of conveyance and enter into a memorandum of agreement to effectuate 
the transfer, resulting in a title transfer agreement finalized within 
three years after enactment. As part of the memorandum of agreement, 
the Counties must demonstrate their capability to operate and maintain 
the land, satisfy financial obligations, and to address any issues of 
non-compliance with applicable State fire, safety, and health codes and 
standards not later than 2 years after the date of the conveyance.
    Additionally, H.R. 8413 would require that the counties provide, as 
compensation for the transfer, the fair market value of the lands, to 
ensure that conveyance of this land does not convey unauthorized 
benefits and is in the financial interest of the United States. The 
determination of fair market value must be completed in accordance with 
the Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. Further, 
consistent with Reclamation's standard policy, H.R. 8413 would require 
that each county provide funding, in advance, for the estimated costs 
to be incurred by Reclamation to process the conveyance request. 
Finally, H.R. 8413 would ensure that any subsequent transfer would be 
at no cost, with the same terms as this proposed transfer, and would be 
conveyed to another State or public entity to ensure that the lands 
would remain in the public domain.
    Reclamation is committed to ensuring that the recreation facilities 
at both Red Willow and Swanson Reservoirs are available for public 
enjoyment and are compliant with all relevant federal, state, and local 
regulations. H.R. 8413 will legislatively preserve the status-quo of 
private exclusive use of the requested lands, subject to each County's 
discretion moving forward, and discontinues Reclamation's redevelopment 
plans.
    If enacted, we encourage each County to look for opportunities to 
improve public access to these recreational facilities. Reclamation is 
hopeful that the local authorities, to whom H.R. 8413 transfers title, 
will ensure that the requested lands be used to meet the outdoor 
recreation needs of the public and is supportive of their efforts to do 
so, whether accomplished through H.R. 8413 or through Reclamation's 
redevelopment plans.

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                        Statement for the Record
            National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
                      U.S. Department of Commerce

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is 
responsible for the stewardship of the nation's living marine resources 
and their habitat. NOAA's Office of Habitat Conservation protects and 
restores habitat to sustain fisheries, recover protected species, and 
maintain resilient coastal ecosystems and communities. For decades, 
NOAA has engaged with our partners on significant habitat restoration 
initiatives in coastal communities across the country, including in the 
Gulf of Mexico. These efforts include our work through the Coastal 
Wetlands Planning, Protection, and Restoration Act (CWPPRA) to restore 
Louisiana coastal habitat, our Damage Assessment, Restoration and 
Remediation Program (DARRP) including restoration addressing the 
Deepwater Horizon (DWH) oil spill, and our Community-based Restoration 
Program (CRP). NOAA appreciates Representative Grave's and the 
Committee's attention to coastal restoration needs in support of 
fisheries and coastal communities in Louisiana.
Importance of our Coastal Habitats in the Gulf of Mexico

    The Gulf of Mexico region is one of the most ecologically and 
economically productive ecosystems in the world. Recreation, leisure, 
and tourism industries contribute significantly to the Gulf economy 
employing millions of people. The Gulf of Mexico supports some of the 
largest recreational and valuable commercial fisheries in the nation 
with commercial landings of approximately 1.6 billion pounds in 2015 
\1\ (NOAA, 2024). Unfortunately, the Gulf of Mexico region is also 
experiencing one of the highest rates of coastal land loss, mostly 
wetlands, in the world. In addition to the ecological impacts, the loss 
of coastal wetlands reduces coastal resilience for millions of U.S. 
citizens facing threats of sea level rise and increasing intensity of 
hurricanes. Many of these populations are in underserved or socially 
vulnerable communities.
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Coastal Wetlands Planning, Protection, and Restoration Act (CWPPRA)

    Under CWPPRA, the Louisiana Coastal Wetlands Conservation and 
Restoration Task Force (an interagency task force consisting of NOAA, 
the Army Corps of Engineers, the Environmental Protection Agency, the 
Fish and Wildlife Service, the Natural Resources Conservation Service, 
the National Marine Fisheries Service, and the State of Louisiana) is 
helping to restore Louisiana's coastal habitat. Since 1990, the CWPPRA 
Program has served as the primary means for responding to coastal 
wetland loss in Louisiana. CWPPRA's roughly $80 million annual 
construction budget typically supports two projects per year. Through 
this task force, NOAA works with its state and federal partners and 
landowners to fund and implement restoration projects. To date, NOAA 
has been the federal sponsor for 29 constructed CWPPRA wetland 
restoration projects with an estimated cost of approximately $474 
million, restoring more than 13,707 acres of vulnerable coastline. NOAA 
is engaged in the active design and construction of additional 
projects, with the goal of restoring 2,500 acres of habitat.
Damage Assessment, Restoration and Remediation Program (DARRP) 
        including the Deepwater Horizon (DWH) Oil Spill

    For over 30 years through the DARRP, NOAA has assessed and restored 
coastal environments damaged by oil spills, hazardous waste releases, 
and vessel groundings. Working with partners from state, tribal, and 
federal agencies and industry, we have recovered over $10 billion 
dollars to restore a wide variety of critical habitats and resources 
nationwide. In the Gulf of Mexico, NOAA and co-trustees have resolved 
nearly 40 pollution events (excluding Deepwater Horizon) with a 
restoration value of approximately $151 million. Associated restoration 
actions improved coastal resilience, enhanced recreational uses such as 
fishing, and employed local contractors for engineering and 
construction.
    Working with federal and state partners, NOAA played key roles from 
the earliest moments after the DWH spill--responding to the spill, 
assessing the damage, developing restoration plans, and implementing 
on-the-ground restoration projects. Since the spill, NOAA has been 
working with our partners and affected communities to plan, implement, 
and evaluate activities to restore natural resources injured as a 
result of the spill. This work is driving hundreds of restoration 
projects across the Gulf. NOAA's restoration work is focused on fish, 
marine mammals, sea turtles, Gulf sturgeon, marine and coastal 
habitats, and deep-Gulf ecosystems. To date, NOAA and the other federal 
and state Trustees have committed over $5 billion to almost 300 
restoration projects and activities.
Community-based Restoration Program (CRP)

    Since 1996, CRP has conducted habitat restoration by executing 
large-scale competitive funding opportunities and providing expert 
technical assistance. Projects awarded range from improving access to 
habitat by removing dams and other barriers, to restoring coral and 
oyster reefs, to rebuilding coastal wetlands. The program is currently 
executing historic levels of funding provided through the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law and Inflation Reduction Act, including over $120 
million invested in projects located in the Gulf of Mexico.
Supporting our Partners through Technical Assistance

    Through all of these different programs, NOAA's Office of Habitat 
Conservation plays an integral role in restoration efforts by providing 
support through the entire restoration process. In collaboration with 
partners, our team provides technical expertise on project planning, 
engineering and design, grants administration, regulatory requirements 
and project management. We also provide support through engagement and 
outreach, relationship-building, and sharing lessons learned and best 
practices. Because many of them live and work in the coastal 
communities we serve, including five locations across the Gulf of 
Mexico, they are uniquely positioned to engage in a way that is 
tailored to the needs of each community and ecosystem, and to help 
navigate hurdles that may arise.
Conclusion

    In conclusion, NOAA values the opportunity to continue working with 
Representative Graves and this Committee on this important issue and 
supports additional habitat restoration in the Gulf of Mexico. NOAA 
will continue to invest and support our partners working in this 
important area. Thank you and your staff for your work to support NOAA 
and restoration in Louisiana and the Gulf of Mexico.

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Submissions for the Record by Rep. Zinke

                     Western Governors' Association

                               Denver, CO

                                             September 10, 2024    

Hon. Cliff Bentz, Chairman
Hon. Jared Huffman, Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife and Fisheries
House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Dear Chairman Bentz and Ranking Member Huffman:

    In light of the Subcommittee's September 10, 2024, Legislative 
Hearing on H.R. 6352, H.R. 8413, H.R. 8632, and H.R. 8836, please find 
attached Western Governors' Association (WGA) Policy Resolution 2024-
03, Species Conservation and the Endangered Species Act. The resolution 
recommends supporting voluntary and locally-led conservation activities 
to conserve wildlife migration corridors, habitat, and species 
populations.

    I request that you include this document in the permanent record of 
the hearing, as it articulates Western Governors' collective and 
bipartisan policy positions and recommendations on the issues addressed 
by H.R. 8836.

    Thank you for your consideration of this request. Please contact me 
if you have any questions or require further information.

            Sincerely,

                                              Jack Waldorf,
                                                 Executive Director

Attachment

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                     WESTERN GOVERNORS' ASSOCIATION

                       Policy Resolution 2024-03

          Species Conservation and the Endangered Species Act

A. BACKGROUND

   1.   Through broad trustee, statutory, and police powers, states 
            have primary management authority over fish and wildlife. 
            This system of wildlife and habitat management is grounded 
            in the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation and 
            has enabled western states to become leaders in the 
            conservation and recovery of numerous threatened, 
            endangered, and species of concern. Continued cooperative 
            relationships between federal, state, and tribal 
            governments, nonprofit organizations, and private 
            stakeholders are essential to the successful management of 
            all species and their habitats. Where voluntary, incentive-
            based conservation activities have been effective, they 
            have precluded the need to list species under the 
            Endangered Species Act (ESA). Western Governors have a 
            vested interest in utilizing these tools to effectively 
            manage wildlife and habitat for a balance of uses.

B. GOVERNORS' POLICY STATEMENT
Species Conservation

   1.   Western Governors support all reasonable proactive management 
            efforts to conserve species and the ecosystems upon which 
            they depend to sustain populations of diverse wildlife and 
            habitats, recover species before they are so imperiled they 
            need ESA protection, and retain the West's wildlife legacy 
            for future generations. Western Governors also support 
            initiatives that engage state and tribal governments as 
            well as stakeholders to develop incentives for early, 
            voluntary conservation measures to address multiple threats 
            to species while preserving and enhancing western working 
            landscapes.

   2.   Western Governors believe states should be full partners in 
            listing, critical habitat designations, recovery planning, 
            recovery efforts, and delisting decisions. The U.S. Fish 
            and Wildlife Service (USFWS) and the National Marine 
            Fisheries Service (NMFS) (collectively, the Services), 
            working with the states, should establish consistent 
            criteria to assess modeling related to projected scientific 
            information and other factors in their scientific review. 
            In these circumstances, federal agencies should partner 
            with states and management authorities with expertise over 
            the given model to develop and utilize mutually acceptable 
            predictive techniques and consensus-based metrics that are 
            grounded in science and measurable outcomes.

   3.   Western Governors believe that ESA decisions should be based on 
            the best available science. State agencies often have the 
            best available science, expertise and other scientific and 
            institutional resources such as mapping capabilities, 
            biological inventories, biological management goals, state 
            wildlife action plans and other important data. The 
            Services should utilize state expertise and resources 
            whenever possible. All listing, recovery, and delisting 
            decisions should utilize objective, peer-reviewed 
            scientific literature, and scientific observations. When 
            making a listing decision for a species where state or 
            multi-state conservation plans employing the best available 
            science have been primarily used in the management of that 
            species, upon review, consultation, and endorsement, the 
            Services should give careful consideration to those 
            management activities. A review of the scientific and 
            management provisions contained within listing, recovery, 
            and de-listing decisions by acknowledged independent 
            experts is important to ensure the public that decisions 
            are well-reasoned and scientifically based. Scientific and 
            management review committees, as well as the scope and 
            extent of the appropriate scientific and management review, 
            should be agreed upon by the Services and the affected 
            states. Federal agencies should, when appropriate, delegate 
            their responsibility to name these review committees and 
            determine the scope of review to states in order to enhance 
            state ownership of the committee's decision.

   4.   Western Governors believe that states need clear, concrete 
            guidance from the Services about the requirements of state 
            and multi-state conservation plans in meeting species and 
            habitat conservation goals and objectives that would lead 
            to stable or increasing populations, address perceived 
            threats to the species, and eliminate the need for listing. 
            Western Governors also encourage the pursuit of all efforts 
            to reduce regulatory burdens on state and tribal 
            governments as well as stakeholders that are not necessary 
            to achieve species conservation and biodiversity goals and 
            objectives.

   5.   The Services should acknowledge that variability in state 
            approaches for conservation of species is acceptable, 
            particularly for species with a wide geographic range, as 
            long as established conservation goals and objectives are 
            met.

   6.   The Services should explore employment options, including 
            revised Government Schedule requirements, expanded use of 
            detail positions, and shared staff between nongovernmental 
            partners, state agencies, and federal agencies to increase 
            interagency coordination and familiarity with processes. 
            These types of well-rounded personnel can then more 
            effectively serve as conveners and facilitators for 
            multiagency actions.

   7.   Governors support legislative initiatives, court rulings, 
            petitions, or regulatory measures which allow local, state, 
            federal and private conservation efforts adequate time to 
            be implemented and demonstrate their efficacy while also 
            avoiding excessive delay protecting and recovering 
            imperiled species. Governors believe there should be no 
            delays in delisting recovered species which meet statutory 
            requirements for delisting due to excessive, costly and 
            resource-intensive litigation. States can help local 
            efforts achieve success by supporting them with tools for 
            assessing and stabilizing priority habitats and species.

   8.   Western Governors believe funding and economic incentives for 
            proactive, voluntary conservation efforts are essential. 
            Such efforts may lead to rapid conservation outcomes and 
            even obviate the need to list a species in the first 
            instance. Additional incentives for willing private 
            landowners to participate in voluntary conservation efforts 
            are likely to achieve more efficient and cost-effective 
            results. Funded and incentivized activities should include:

        Restoration of native habitat on public and private 
            lands;

        Amelioration of threats to species populations;

        Long-term management activities for conservation-
            reliant species;

         Management of invasive species adversely affecting 
            species and habitat, including research programs;

         Management of public lands in a way that supports 
            multiple uses, including the minimization of human-wildlife 
            and livestock-wildlife conflict; and

         Monitoring and enforcement to ensure species and 
            habitat conservation goals and activities are being met.

   9.   Governors believe adequate post-listing funding of species 
            management, monitoring, and conservation is necessary as 
            state and federal agencies increasingly assume ESA 
            management activities and embrace ecosystem and multi-
            species management strategies. Funding for ESA-related 
            activities, especially recovery plans and recovery efforts, 
            should be enhanced to address the growing list of 
            threatened and endangered species. A broad range of 
            programs, from the Farm Bill to the Water Resources 
            Development Act, should be reviewed for opportunities to 
            assist communities and landowners in their efforts to 
            conserve listed species in a manner that respects water and 
            property rights. The Cooperative Endangered Species 
            Conservation Fund authorized under ESA Section 6 should 
            also be funded and managed as a block grant, with state 
            discretion on spending priorities.

  10.   Western Governors support funding for wildlife conservation 
            education and recreation programs to help better connect 
            people with their natural surroundings and experience 
            wildlife in their natural habitat. Funding for educational 
            and community-based programs can encourage younger 
            generations to learn about fish and wildlife conservation 
            early and obtain the skills to partake in outdoor 
            activities themselves.

  11.   Western Governors support the North American Model of Wildlife 
            Conservation and the associated user-pay structure that 
            enables state agency management activities with funding 
            from license sales. Western Governors also recognize that 
            continued engagement in license-based activities is 
            necessary for healthy wildlife populations and habitat. The 
            recruitment, retention, and reactivation of hunters and 
            anglers is essential to these goals, and programs which 
            support this engagement should be funded and delivered to 
            all Americans.

Wildlife Migration Corridors and Habitat

  12.   Western Governors believe that federal land management agencies 
            should allow states and tribes to lead in identifying key 
            wildlife migration corridors and habitat in the West, 
            acknowledge the value of multiple-use landscapes, and 
            engage in early and substantive consultation with Governors 
            prior to the promulgation of any policy pertaining to the 
            management of wildlife corridors and habitat. Western 
            Governors believe in applying the best-available state-led 
            science and models for precise, data-driven decision 
            making. Western Governors also encourage federal land 
            management agencies to take proactive steps to ensure that 
            management plans and projects are consistent with and 
            supportive of state wildlife migration priorities, 
            programs, and policies.

  13.   Western Governors urge federal land management agencies and 
            non-governmental organizations--in coordination with state 
            fish and wildlife agencies--to work with private landowners 
            and local communities to identify monetary and non-monetary 
            incentives to encourage voluntary corridor and habitat 
            conservation efforts. Western Governors encourage dialogue 
            among relevant partners in the West to identify 
            collaborative solutions to wildlife corridor and habitat 
            conservation across land ownerships.

  14.   Western Governors encourage Congress and the Executive Branch 
            to maintain a financial investment in research and habitat 
            improvement projects to conserve migration corridors 
            through the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation's 
            Improving Habitat Quality in Western Big Game and Migration 
            Corridors Program and the USFWS Migratory Bird Program.

  15.   Western Governors commend the considerable efforts already 
            underway to increase coordination between state fish and 
            wildlife agencies and state departments of transportation 
            to integrate consideration of wildlife corridors and 
            habitat connectivity into transportation infrastructure 
            planning and development. Western Governors urge the 
            Department of the Interior and the U.S. Department of 
            Transportation to cooperate in a similar manner on projects 
            under their jurisdiction and support intra-state efforts 
            when appropriate. The Governors also support development of 
            best practices to expand federal and state agency 
            coordination.

  16.   The Governors support proactive planning on public lands that 
            seeks to direct future development actions with due 
            consideration for large tracts of intact wildlife habitat 
            and connectivity corridors.

  17.   Western Governors believe that any federal efforts to identify 
            and conserve wildlife migration corridors through 
            administrative or legislative action must rely upon 
            proactive coordination and consultation with states and 
            should advance voluntary, incentive-based, and locally 
            driven initiatives to conserve key wildlife corridors and 
            habitat. Governors further encourage Congress and the 
            Administration to support collaborative and locally 
            developed initiatives through financial and technical 
            assistance.

  18.   Governors appreciate federal support for habitat connectivity 
            and urge Congress to include long-term funding and 
            provisions in its next reauthorization of federal surface 
            transportation programs for state-supported transportation 
            infrastructure projects that support fish and wildlife 
            crossings and habitat connectivity.

C. GOVERNORS' MANAGEMENT DIRECTIVE

   1.   The Governors direct WGA staff to work with congressional 
            committees of jurisdiction, the Executive Branch, and other 
            entities, where appropriate, to achieve the objectives of 
            this resolution.

   2.   Furthermore, the Governors direct WGA staff to consult with the 
            Staff Advisory Council regarding its efforts to realize the 
            objectives of this resolution and to keep the Governors 
            apprised of its progress in this regard.

This resolution will expire in December 2026. Western Governors enact 
new policy resolutions and amend existing resolutions on a semiannual 
basis. Please consult http://www.westgov.org/resolutions for the most 
current copy of a resolution and a list of all current WGA policy 
resolutions.

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                        National Audubon Society

                             Washington, DC

                                             September 10, 2024    

Hon. Bruce Westerman, Chair
Hon. Raul Grijalva, Ranking Member
House Natural Resources Committee
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Re: Support for the Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act (H.R. 
        8836)

    Dear Chair Westerman and Ranking Member Grijalva:

    On behalf of the National Audubon Society and our 1.4 million 
members and supporters, we would like to express our support for the 
Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act (H.R. 8836) and urge the 
Committee to advance the bill to the House floor. As an organization 
dedicated to conservation, we acknowledge that healthy habitat is 
needed for healthy wildlife populations, including birds.

    Birds are vital indicators of ecosystem health and play essential 
roles in maintaining balanced environments. Effective habitat 
connectivity is crucial for their survival, as it helps to ensure the 
availability of resources and provide stopover areas and habitats for 
migration. By supporting this bill, we can significantly enhance these 
connections, benefiting countless bird species.

    Additionally, birdwatching generates nearly $100 billion in 
economic revenue annually, underscoring the importance of conserving 
and restoring habitats that support both bird populations and the 
economy. The Wildlife Movement Through Partnerships Act will provide 
essential resources for habitat connectivity projects, benefiting birds 
and big game species.

    While progress has been made to conserve essential habitats for 
migrating species, more work remains to be done. This Act would 
encourage coordination across the federal agencies, enhance 
collaboration, and support States, Tribes, and private landowners in 
their efforts to improve habitat connectivity and migration corridors.

    We urge the committee to promptly advance this critical legislation 
to conserve connected habitats.

            Sincerely,

                                   National Audubon Society

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