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                  DOES A TOTAL DISABILITY RATING BASED
                  ON INDIVIDUAL UNEMPLOYABILITY (TDIU)
                      PROPERLY COMPENSATE TODAY'S
                               VETERANS?
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                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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                     MIKE BOST, Illinois, Chairman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       MARK TAKANO, California, Ranking 
    American Samoa, Vice-Chairwoman      Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               JULIA BROWNLEY, California
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           MIKE LEVIN, California
MATTHEW M. ROSENDALE, SR., Montana   CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, Iowa       FRANK J. MRVAN, Indiana
GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina    SHEILA CHERFILUS-MCCORMICK, 
C. SCOTT FRANKLIN, Florida               Florida
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin         CHRISTOPHER R. DELUZIO, 
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas                   Pennsylvania
JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona              MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
ELIJAH CRANE, Arizona                DELIA C. RAMIREZ, Illinois
KEITH SELF, Texas                    GREG LANDSMAN, Ohio
JENNIFER A. KIGGANS, Virginia        NIKKI BUDZINSKI, Illinois

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                  Matt Reel, Democratic Staff Director

       SUBCOMMITTEE ON DISABILITY ASSISTANCE AND MEMORIAL AFFAIRS

                    MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas, Chairman

C. SCOTT FRANKLIN, Florida           CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire, 
JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona                  Ranking Member
ELIJAH CRANE, Arizona                CHRISTOPHER R. DELUZIO, 
KEITH SELF, Texas                        Pennsylvania
                                     MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
                                     DELIA C. RAMIREZ, Illinois

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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Morgan Luttrell, Chairman..........................     1
The Honorable Chris Pappas, Ranking Member.......................     2

                               WITNESSES
                                Panel I

Mr. Ronald S. Burke Jr., Deputy Under Secretary, Office of Policy 
  & Oversight, Veterans Benefits Administration, U.S. Department 
  of Veterans Affairs............................................     3

        Accompanied by:

    Mr. Nick Pamperin, Executive Director, Veterans Readiness and 
        Employment Service, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

    Mr. David J. Barrans, Chief Counsel, Benefits Law Group, 
        Office of General Counsel, U.S. Department of Veterans 
        Affairs

                                Panel II

Mr. Marquis Barefield, Assistant National Legislative Director, 
  Disabled American Veterans (DAV)...............................     9

Mr. Michael S. Figlioli, Director, National Veterans Service, 
  Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States (VFW)............    10

Mr. Mike Stoddard, National Service Director, Benefits Service, 
  Wounded Warrior Project (WWP)..................................    12

                                APPENDIX
                    Prepared Statements Of Witnesses

Mr. Ronald S. Burke Jr. Prepared Statement.......................    21
Mr. Marquis Barefield Prepared Statement.........................    26
Mr. Michael S. Figlioli Prepared Statement.......................    31
Mr. Mike Stoddard Prepared Statement.............................    33

                       Statements For The Record

National Organization of Veterans' Advocates, Inc. Prepared 
  Statement......................................................    39
Paralyzed Veterans of America Prepared Statement.................    45
James Vollman Prepared Statement.................................    50
Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce 
  Prepared Statement.............................................    54

 
                  DOES A TOTAL DISABILITY RATING BASED
                  ON INDIVIDUAL UNEMPLOYABILITY (TDIU)
                 PROPERLY COMPENSATE TODAY'S VETERANS?

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                        WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12, 2024

   Subcommittee on Disability Assistance & 
                          Memorial Affairs,
                    Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
                             U.S. House of Representatives,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:15 a.m., in 
room 360, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Morgan Luttrell 
(chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Luttrell, Self, Pappas, and 
McGarvey.

         OPENING STATEMENT OF MORGAN LUTTRELL, CHAIRMAN

    Mr. Luttrell. Subcommittee will come to order. Thank you 
for the witnesses for being here with us today. We are going to 
take a close look at the Veterans Disability Benefit program, 
known as a Total Disability rating based on Individual 
Unemployment, or TDIU. We will examine whether the disability 
benefit properly compensates our veterans today. TDIU is a tax-
free monthly benefit that U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs 
(VA) awards to veterans who are unable to work due to their 
service connected disabilities. Eligible veterans can 
potentially receive both TDIU and VA occupational 
rehabilitation benefits.
    TDIU is established in the 1930's, and the requirements to 
be eligible for TDIU essentially have not changed since 1940's, 
so that is over 80 years. TDIU is meant to make veterans whole 
for their total loss of income resulting from their service-
related disabilities. We must ensure that TDIU is properly and 
adequately supporting the men and women who have earned it and 
their families.
    Under current law, VA takes into account a veteran's 
education and work history to decide whether a veteran is 
eligible for TDIU, but the benefit itself is flat rate of 
roughly $3,800, regardless of a veteran's education, or work 
history, and/or career growth potential.
    Further, a veteran may be eligible for TDIU if they are 
only able to maintain marginal employment. VA states that 
marginal employment is employment that pays below the poverty, 
according to the us census, which is roughly $15,000. Even when 
a veterans income is higher than the poverty level, VA will 
still consider their job marginal employment if it is 
employment in a protected environment, which can include a 
family business and or sheltered workshop.
    For decades, VA has refused to define exactly what 
employment in a protected environment means. Recently, the U.S. 
Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims attempted to define it as 
a lower income position that is shielded in some respect from 
competition in the employment market. We know it is still 
unclear to the veterans about what counts as employment in a 
protected environment.
    We also heard from civilian workforce experts that the 
current flat rate of TDIU is outdated. However, these 
occupational experts emphasize that VA must conduct further 
studies and obtain data to ensure that Congress is fully 
informed if we are to change the TDIU eligibility criteria and 
rates to properly make veterans whole. Similarly, the Federal 
Advisory Committee on Disability Compensation (ACDC) 
recommended that VA study the use of aids to determine 
vocational assessments in TDIU.
    VA conducted the study, but the VA has not shared the study 
results with Congress, despite our frequent asks from the 
committee staff. In 2023, nearly 300,000 veterans receiving 
TDIU. We must ensure that TDIU benefits works for today's 
veterans and their families. That includes ensuring that we 
have all the data and information we need to determine whether 
TDIU eligibility criteria and benefits amount should be 
modernized.
    With that, I yield to the ranking member.

       OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRIS PAPPAS, RANKING MEMBER

    Mr. Pappas. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As we examine the TDIU 
program today, I think it is important to remember that behind 
all the numbers we will hear discussed today are real life 
people, veterans who have served and sacrificed and have been 
markedly changed as a result of that service, both physically 
and mentally. Those veterans deserve not only our gratitude, 
but our attention and respect. Those veterans also deserve our 
understanding, our understanding that they are indeed 
individuals, and that their abilities and disabilities are 
unique to them in many ways.
    While it is known that VA disability rating schedule is 
rather rigid, the VA math used to combine multiple disability 
ratings is not straightforward arithmetic. The total disability 
based on Individual Unemployability benefit is an attempt to 
inject some nuance and understanding into the system.
    Two veterans may experience the same disability 
differently, or a unique combination of disabilities may render 
one veteran unable to work, while others may still be able to 
find gainful employment. Therefore, TDIU exists to accommodate 
the unique circumstances of an individual veteran when their 
disability or combination of disabilities may not add up to 100 
percent, and yet they are unable to find sustainably gainful 
employment. It is a benefit that must remain available both for 
current and future veterans. No program is without room for 
improvement. TDIU is no exception to that.
    However, we must tread carefully in discussing any changes 
to this program. Certainly, we should create pathways to work 
for veterans, TDIU or not, who may want to enter the workforce. 
However, we must not make receipt of one benefit contingent 
upon use of another, and we must recognize that cessation of a 
benefit could represent a significant financial hardship to a 
veteran.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing. I look 
forward to the testimony of our witnesses and discussing ways 
we can improve benefits for our veterans. I yield back.
    Mr. Luttrell. Thank you, Mr. Pappas. Our lead witness from 
VA is Mr. Ron Burke. Good to see you again, sir. Deputy Under 
Secretary of the Office of Policy and Oversight in the Veterans 
Benefit Administration. Mr. Burke is joined by Mr. Nick 
Pamperin, Executive Director of the Veteran Readiness and 
Employment (VR&E) Service, and Mr. David Barnes, Barrans, 
excuse me, Chief Counsel of the Benefits Law Group, Office of 
General Counsel.
    Thank you. Let the record reflect that the witnesses have 
answered in the affirmative. Thank you all for being here 
today.
    [Witness sworn.]
    Mr. Luttrell. Mr. Burke, you are now recognized for 5 
minutes, sir, to deliver your opening statement.

                   STATEMENT OF RONALD BURKE

    Mr. Burke. Thank you. Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member 
Pappas, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for inviting 
us here today to discuss the Department of Veterans Affairs 
Individual Unemployability benefit. With me today are Nick 
Pamperin, the Executive Director of Veteran Readiness and 
Employment Service in the Veterans Benefits Administration, and 
Dave Barrans, Chief Counsel, VA Office of General Counsel. The 
Individual Unemployability (IU) benefit fills a critical gap 
when the VA schedule for rating disabilities does not fully 
address the impact of service-connected disability in a 
veteran's circumstances. The intent of the Veterans Affairs 
Schedule for Rating Disabilities (VASRD) is to fairly 
compensate veterans for their disabilities according to the 
average impairment to their earning capacity. However, the 
VASRD cannot always adequately compensate an individual veteran 
in their specific circumstance.
    IU is, therefore, an important benefit that enables VA to 
address these situations. For example, in cases where there is 
sufficient evidence that a veteran is unable to obtain or 
maintain gainful employment, but their specific impairment does 
not meet the disability rating criteria for a scheduled 100 
percent evaluation, VA may be able to bridge the gap by 
utilizing the IU benefit to compensate the veteran at the 100 
percent evaluation rate.
    In Fiscal Year 2023, VA provided IU benefits to over 
377,000 beneficiaries and saw an increase of such benefits of 
21.7 percent over the past 10 years. The IU benefit has a long 
history and regulation. In 1925, the VASRD provided the first 
definition of total disability. In the following decades, the 
regulation regarding IU have been updated numerous times to 
clarify eligibility requirements.
    Over the last several years, VA has taken steps to review 
and scrutinize the IU program through various studies, court 
decisions, and reports. Recent court decisions have identified 
that VA's regulatory definitions of marginal employment and 
protected environment lack specificity.
    However, in January 2024, the Court of Appeals for Veterans 
Claims issued a decision which concluded that VA's definition 
of employment in a protected environment means a lower-income 
position that, due to the veteran, service-connected disability 
or disabilities, is shielded in some respect from competition 
in the employment market. As a result of this decision, VA is 
currently drafting guidance for claims processors and is also 
considering whether regulatory updates may be needed.
    Aside from our response to court decisions, VA is also 
taking action to make sure that veterans are probably properly 
compensated for their disabilities by examining and revamping 
the VASRD. On February 12, or February 15, rather, 2022, VA 
published a proposed rule in the Federal Register to amend the 
portion of the VASRD for evaluation of mental disorders. If 
finalized, the proposed change would help alleviate current 
disparities with the evaluation of mental disabilities so that 
veterans with such challenges may receive adequate compensation 
using VASRD criteria rather than receiving Individual 
Unemployability.
    While IU is a great benefit aimed at compensating those who 
cannot maintain gainful employment, it is important to note 
that VA is also committed to other routes for veterans to find 
gainful employment. One of these routes is VA's Veteran 
Readiness and Employment program. The mission of the VR&E 
program is to assist qualified service members and veterans 
with service-connected disabilities prepare for, obtain, and 
maintain suitable employment, or maintain a life of 
independence.
    One of VR&E Service's is the Chapter 31 program, and during 
the past 5 years, VA received nearly 3,000 applications for 
VR&E benefits for veterans in receipt of IU, of which 98 
percent were found entitled to Chapter 31 benefits. VR&E 
service has seen an average of 549 IU applicants per year for 
Chapter 31 benefits.
    Since 2020, VA has witnessed the successful rehabilitation 
of 70 veterans in receipt of IU. Although the VR&E program has 
been successful in preparing many veterans for suitable 
employment, VA acknowledges that there may be, inevitably, some 
veterans who are unable to obtain or maintain gainful 
employment or whose specific impairment does not meet the 
disability rating criteria for a scheduler 100 percent 
evaluation. As such, VA remains committed to providing the IU 
benefit to fill that critical gap.
    Mr. Chairman, this concludes my statement. My colleagues 
and I are prepared to respond to any questions you or other 
members of the committee may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Ronald Burke Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Luttrell. The record statement of Mr. Burke will be 
entered into the hearing record. We will now move to 
questioning. I recognize myself for 5 minutes. Give me just a 
second. I am going to go ahead and engage with that one 
question while it is fresh. In 2024, in January 2024, you said 
the board came out with a finding on what the pay gap 
requirements, I believe, is how we said.
    Can you elaborate on that for me? It seems like the catch 
point for TDIU or IU is that the poverty line is set in a 
certain spot. If we are looking at this nationally, we fall in 
different areas of the country. It is going to be different for 
different people. What was the--can you get into the granular 
level and the 5 minutes that I have of the findings of that 
court, of that find, the details? Excuse me.
    Mr. Burke. Yes, sir. I think the court finding that I 
referenced really talked about protected environments, and that 
really helped to call out, not necessarily the question that 
you are referring to. I think there are multiple layers of what 
we are trying to address in the IU space. The largest is the 
VASRD changes that would actually more adequately compensate 
folks with mental disorders compared to the current rating 
schedule. In doing so, that may alleviate the need for 
Individual Unemployability. As we feel there are gaps in the 
way the VASRD is written today.
    Mr. Luttrell. The protected environment, is there a--can 
you explain the range for me?
    Mr. Burke. Yes. The protected environment, actually, this 
was a court case in 2024 where the court held that employment 
in a protected environment is unambiguous and means that a 
lower-income position that, due to the veteran service-
connected disability or disabilities, is shielded in some 
respect from competition in the employment market. What we see 
with those, largely, are those, I think that, you know, the 
sheltered programs, the court case did not have anything to do, 
necessarily, with the levels of compensation. It really honed 
in on the definition of protected environment, so I am not 
sure----
    Mr. Luttrell. I think clarity is kind of the problem that 
the veterans are running into, exactly what protected 
environment looks like.
    Mr. Burke. Yes, I think with respect to the protected 
environment, there were a few things that came from the court 
case. Determining employment in a protected environment is fact 
specific. The court listed as common characteristics of 
protected environment that employment sheltered from the open 
labor market.
    Mr. Luttrell. Is the term protected environment? It does 
not seem like it gets into details of what exactly a protected 
environment is. I think that the veterans are kind of 
navigating themselves in and around it, and some have kind of 
got it on the chin and then some have not.
    Mr. Burke. Well, and, sir, to your point, I think not just 
veterans, but even our claims processors, which is why we are 
in the process of developing guidance for our claims 
processors, providing those tighter definitions. And----
    Mr. Luttrell. Okay, so great point, sir, because we have 
been, from what I understand, we have been trying to get that 
clarified for the--since 2016, correct?
    Mr. Burke. Well, we are actually taking the results of the 
court case from 2024, which actually gave a little bit of room 
for us to navigate within. We are actually using that recent 
court finding to draw down and be more specific with the 
guidance and the clarification. Again, not just for claims 
processors, but to communicate that through our stakeholders, 
our Veterans Service Organizations (VSO), our veteran 
communities, there will be----
    Mr. Luttrell. Do we have a----
    Mr. Burke [continuing]. better understanding.
    Mr. Luttrell [continuing]. projected window of when all of 
those individuals will be in their comfort zone?
    Mr. Burke. I do not. I am certainly happy to report that 
back to this committee as soon as we have a timeline. We are 
working on that now. In part of that, it is not just the 
guidance and clarification to employees. It is also assessing 
whether or not we need to change any regulations as part of 
that. That assessment is ongoing right now.
    Mr. Luttrell. Okay. I am familiar with multiple studies 
that we have--that Congress has requested, and from what I 
understand, the VA has them internal, and we are still waiting 
on the results to be presented to us. If the court findings are 
something that we can build the foundation off of, I would hate 
to kick that proverbial can down the road if we can prep 
everybody accordingly and then move forward and get this 
problem set out of our way. Thank you for that, sir.
    I yield to the ranking member.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Burke, 
Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has proposed tying TDIU 
eligibility to age. Is that something that VA would support?
    Mr. Burke. That is not. No, sir. We do not tie age to any 
other factor within our disability compensation program, and 
certainly do not believe it to be prudent with Individual 
Unemployability either.
    Mr. Pappas. Well, thanks very much. I share your concerns 
there, and I hope that proposal will not ever see the light of 
day. You did talk about, I was going to ask about the VASRD 
issue, and you mentioned that it is in the process of being 
changed and finalized. When would we expect to see that move 
forward?
    Mr. Burke. Well, we are in the process right now, sir, of 
incorporating more than 800 comments.
    Mr. Pappas. Uh-huh.
    Mr. Burke. It takes a little bit. We do believe that in 
Fiscal Year 2025, probably early mid-2025, that that will be 
finalized.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay. Thank you. The Advisory Committee on 
Disability Compensation asked VA to share with it information 
from a study that was completed in 2017 related to compensation 
levels. VA has so far refused to share that material, stating 
that it is dated and moot. Setting aside that fact, I am not 
sure VA should be editorializing what information is relevant 
to the advisory committee. I am wondering what harm VA sees in 
sharing that information, and if you will commit to providing 
this information to the advisory, advisory committee along with 
results of your economic loss study?
    Mr. Burke. Yes, sir. I will tell you, with respect to the 
ACDC portion, there are really two factors. Number one, that 
the premise of our internal review was based on the request to 
assess and consider age as a factor, which, of course, we do 
not support. That premise that predicated the internal study to 
begin with. Second of all, the findings, the data, all of that 
that went along with that internal review is significantly 
outdated.
    With that, we continue to take the position that is an 
internal deliberative document, and that our way to approach, 
kind of, the updating of the IU benefit is really through the 
VASRD changes that I articulated earlier, and that is an 
ongoing process that we just spoke about.
    Mr. Pappas. Is there current data that could be married 
with this data that you say is outdated and provided to the 
committee?
    Mr. Burke. Yes. I am not sure that current data would 
support the ACDC only because, again, it was predicated on a--
--
    Mr. Pappas. Uh-huh.
    Mr. Burke [continuing]. the premise was to review age as a 
factor, which, again, is not something that we support.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay. In terms of VR&E, you discussed a little 
bit about some of the issues surrounding that. There is a 
statutory limitation. I am just wondering if you can respond if 
there is a statutory limitation or any other limitation that 
prevents a veteran with entitlement to TDIU from applying, and 
if found entitled, participating in services from VR&E.
    Mr. Burke. There are no limitations. There are no 
limitations to any veteran receiving Unemployability and then 
again, trying to pursue the benefits associated with those 
that, of VR&E. It is not just VR&E. I would add that we have 
programs from our transition space, personal career planning 
space. In our transition phrase, we have education benefits and 
the like. To answer your question, there is no limitation, sir.
    Mr. Pappas. What kind of outreach does comp service and 
VR&E do to let them know about opportunities?
    Mr. Burke. We do outreach by means of, you know, our 
regular notification letters. When somebody is granted in their 
rating decision notice, they will get a letter that lets them 
know other benefits that they are entitled to. There are other 
various mailings and outreach strategies and campaigns. Of 
course, our regional offices, when they are doing their local 
outreach activities, they are also communicating to veterans 
all of the portfolio of benefits that they are entitled to.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay, Mr. Burke, I do not know if Mr. Pamperin 
wants to take this one, but how many participants currently in 
VR&E also have entitlement to TDIU? How many participants that 
have entitlement to TDIU have successfully completed the VR&E 
program and obtained and maintained suitable employment in the 
last 5 years?
    Mr. Pamperin. I appreciate the question, sir. Within the 
last 5 years, there have been just a little under 3,000 
veterans that are in receipt of TDIU that have applied and gone 
through our program. Currently, within the last 5 years, almost 
70, the number 68 folks, have successfully completed the 
program through a positive outcome. Right now, we have actually 
577 currently in a plan of service. The average time that 
somebody is in the VR&E program is around 4 years. As they 
continue to go through the program, that number will grow.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay, my time is up, but those numbers feel 
incredibly low, and maybe we can talk a little bit offline 
about why that is the case. We appreciate your thoughts here 
today.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Luttrell. Mr. McGarvey, you are recognized. 5 minutes, 
sir.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be brief as 
possible, given that votes have been called. Mr. Burke related 
to some of the things that Mr. Pappas was asking about. In 
particular, he was asking about the age, which I appreciate. I 
want to know how the VA views the eligibility threshold and 
should what is considered to be marginal employment be a higher 
dollar amount?
    Mr. Burke. Yes, sir. Thank you. As you are aware, VA does 
not set that threshold. That actually is not established by VA. 
We are simply using the poverty level established by the Census 
Bureau, and those are the numbers that we utilize. Again, I 
think with respect to the IU benefit itself, the thing that I 
really want to portray is that the importance behind the 
changes to the VASRD are really going to help better compensate 
those specifically with mental disorders compared to what the 
current does now. It will alleviate some of the need to utilize 
Individual Unemployability because the evaluations assigned 
using the potential new VASRD criteria will reflect, will 
reflect such.
    Mr. McGarvey. I think when we are looking at these veterans 
who, again, who have been injured, who have some type of 
disability, have something going on, if the idea behind TDIU is 
to compensate a veteran for future lost earnings, how much 
should the veteran's military occupation or post service 
occupation factor into the compensation level, if at all?
    Mr. Burke. Well, I think that we have a lot of factors that 
we have to consider with respect to granting Unemployability. 
It is the individual's current work history, it is their prior 
work history. We do a 5-year lookback. We look to see, even in 
our exams, if we require an examination, we are asking the 
examiners to indicate what level of impairment of their earning 
capacity is because of their service-connected disabilities. We 
are looking at a lot of factors, not just the disability 
evaluation, but those specific contentions and disabilities, 
and their respective impact on earning capacity.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you. I say many times in this committee 
and in the larger committee, we talk about veterans benefits. 
They are not a gift. These benefits have been earned by our 
servicemen and women. I just want to know how much. How are we 
helping those who may be making a little too much to qualify 
for TDIU, but less than they need to make ends meet?
    Mr. Burke. Well, we do have provisions within our process 
that allow for still the award of Unemployability, even if they 
are making a little above the marginal threshold, the poverty 
level. We do have things like extra scheduler consideration. 
There are review processes. My point is, if they are a dollar 
over the threshold level, that is not a bar to them receiving 
the benefit.
    Mr. McGarvey. Thank you very much. Yield back.
    Mr. Luttrell. Thank you, sir. Votes have been called, Mr. 
Burke, we only have one round of questioning for you and Mr. 
Pamperin and Mr. Barrans. Thank you for joining us today. I 
expect to reconvene 10 minutes after the last vote back here in 
this. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
    [Recess.]
    Mr. Self. [Presiding.] Thank you for coming today. Our 
second panel of witnesses will include Mr. Marquis Barefield of 
Disabled American Veterans (DAV), Mr. Figlioli of Veterans of 
Foreign Wars of United States (VFW), and Mr. Mike Stoddard of 
the Wounded Warrior Project, who is a constituent of mine. 
Welcome. I think we are waiting on one other panel member.
    Mr. Stoddard. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Self. Let the record reflect that witnesses have 
answered in the affirmative. Thank you again for being here.
    [Witness sworn.]
    Mr. Self. Mr. Barefield, you are now recognized for 5 
minutes to deliver your opening statement.

                 STATEMENT OF MARQUIS BAREFIELD

    Mr. Barefield. Thank you. Acting Chairman Self, Ranking 
Member Pappas, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for 
inviting DAV to testify about our insights, concerns, and 
recommendations related to Total Disability based on Individual 
Unemployability or TDIU. Veterans who are unable to work due to 
service-connected disabilities, but whose disabilities do not 
meet the requirements for a complete and total disability 
rating under VA's regular rating schedule criteria may be 
eligible to receive total compensation through TDIU. To 
qualify, a veteran must have either a single service-connected 
disability rated at 60 percent or have a combined disability 
rating of 70 percent with at least one disability rated 40 
percent or higher.
    As of September 2023, about 6.8 percent of the 
approximately 5 million veterans receiving disability 
compensation do so as a result of TDIU, which is down from 7.8 
percent 6 years earlier. Despite the downward trend, proposals 
to limit TDIU, particularly based on a veteran's age, have 
persisted. For example, VA's Fiscal Year 2018 budget submission 
included a proposal to terminate TDIU ratings for veterans at 
the age of 62 and cutoff TDIU benefits for any veteran already 
in receipt of Social Security benefits.
    More recently, the December 2022 CBO report, Options for 
Reducing the Deficit, included a proposal to terminate TDIU 
ratings for veterans at age 67 and cutoff TDIU benefits for any 
veterans already in receipt of Social Security support. Another 
option in the CBO report would require that once a veteran 
meets their full Social Security retirement age, all disability 
benefits would be reduced by 30 percent.
    Mr. Chairman, today, many people work well beyond what was 
once considered normal retirement age. To award TDIU to a 
veteran at age 64 but deny it to a veteran at age 67 would be 
unfair discrimination, desperate treatment, and wholly 
unjustified from an equitable standpoint.
    In fact, under current Federal regulations, age may not be 
considered a factor in evaluating service-connected 
disabilities or in determining entitlement to TDIU. Although 
TDIU is based on the effect of disability on the individual, it 
does not and should not discriminate on the basis of age. That 
is why DAV strongly supports H.R. 6362, the Protecting Benefits 
for Disabled Veterans Act, which would codify entitlement to 
TDIU, including the prohibition against considering age as a 
factor in determining eligibility.
    It is also important to understand that TDIU is not a 
retirement benefit, and it should not be considered as 
comparable to either Social Security retirement or disability 
insurance. Many veterans in receipt of TDIU who are unable to 
work due to their disabilities may not have earned enough 
credits to even qualify for Social Security retirement or might 
receive very low benefits.
    As such, proposals to reduce or cutoff TDIU when a veteran 
becomes eligible for Social Security benefits could be 
devastating for some veterans.
    Another proposal that has been floated would link the award 
of TDIU to a completion of a vocational assessment likely done 
by the Veteran Readiness and Employment program, or VR&E. While 
DAV is a steadfast supporter of VR&E, in fact, our national 
service officers and I was one of them, complete a VR&E 
vocational rehabilitation program during our training.
    Mr. Chairman, most veterans, including those who have 
serious injuries, illnesses, and disabilities from their 
service, want to work. We do not support making a vocational 
assessment a requirement for TDIU eligibility. We are concerned 
that it could create an additional burden on veterans, as well 
as a strain on VR&E's ability to fulfill its responsibility to 
those veterans who need their services.
    Finally, Mr. Chairman, we believe it is time to increase 
the rates for disability compensation for all veterans, 
particularly for veterans rated at 100 percent, including those 
under TDIU. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, 
the national average salary is approximately $59,000. The rate 
for veterans rated 100 percent disabled is approximately 
$45,000, almost 25 percent less. It is time to change that.
    Mr. Chairman, that concludes my statement, and I would be 
happy to answer any questions you or members of the committee 
have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Marquis Barefield Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Self. Thank you very much. The written statement of Mr. 
Barefield will be entered into the hearing record. Mr. 
Figlioli, you are now recognized for 5 minutes to deliver your 
opening statement.

                 STATEMENT OF MICHAEL FIGLIOLI

    Mr. Figlioli. Acting Chairman Self, Ranking Member Pappas, 
members of the subcommittee, on behalf of the men and women of 
the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States and its 
auxiliary, thank you for the opportunity to provide our remarks 
on this important issue. The TDIU program is essential for 
veterans who can no longer maintain gainful employment due to 
service-related injuries. It offers vital support not only to 
veterans but also to their families, acknowledging the 
sacrifices made and the lifelong impacts of their service.
    Discussions around TDIU often focus on financial aspects, 
but at its core, it is about supporting people whose lives have 
been irrevocably changed. For countless decades, veterans have 
returned home with life altering injuries from toxic exposures, 
Improvised Explosive Device (IED) blasts, or contact with 
harmful substances like radiation and dioxins. These injuries, 
both visible and invisible, can prevent veterans from securing 
employment.
    For those who do not meet the schedule requirements for a 
100 percent disability rating, the VA offers TDIU to ensure 
they receive the support they need. Every system has room for 
improvement, including the TDIU program. The VFW supports 
enhancements to sustain or improve benefits for veterans, but 
we must be cautious of unintended consequences for those who 
rely on this benefit, especially the most vulnerable will 
depend on this payment for their very survival.
    TDIU has been a contentious topic in VA benefits 
discussions, partly because it challenges conventional norms by 
not considering age and eligibility decisions.
    This exclusion of age often leads to debates about its 
parity with civilian sector benefits. While some veterans 
disabilities worsen with age, VFW believes most veterans would 
prefer to work if they were able to do so. Critics often focus 
on the financial cost of TDIU, especially when media attention 
on war expenses fades.
    However, cutting veterans benefits is historically unjust 
and remains so. Benefits earned through service are never a 
waste of money. Recent legislative changes like the Sergeant 
First Class Heath Robinson Honoring our Promise to Address 
Comprehensive Toxics (PACT) Act and the expansion of Blue Water 
Navy benefits have increased the number of veterans eligible 
for TDIU, many of whom are older and have been silently 
suffering due to bureaucratic red tape.
    Comparing TDIU to Social Security is misleading. TDIU 
beneficiaries have service-connected disabilities, preventing 
them from contributing to Social Security like their civilian 
counterparts. Age is not a factor in TDIU eligibility, and VFW 
supports this policy. The median age of the House of 
Representatives is nearly 60 and the Senate is 65. It is off-
putting that members of these bodies, which suggest other 
Americans, should not be considered part of the workforce 
simply due to age. Elder workers are entitled to their earned 
wages and associated benefits.
    Veterans receiving TDIU did not have that capability and 
should not be penalized due to their documented inability to 
work based on their service-connected disabilities. Advanced 
healthcare has increased life expectancy and work for potential 
veterans. A proposal to cut TDIU at retirement age equated 
unfairly with Social Security, ignoring the unique nature of 
service-related disabilities.
    The VR&E program offers veterans training for new career 
fields, and those on TDIU can potentially benefit from it. 
However, consistent and effective implementation of VR&E is 
lacking. VFW advocates for better identification and support 
for eligible veterans, including automatic invitations to apply 
for VR&E in decision letters allowing veterans to make informed 
choices about their participation. As the world and technology 
has evolved over the past several decades, the needs of our 
veterans have as well.
    Service members are trained in the art of warfare, whereas 
veterans need to be trained in civilian fields, many of which, 
such as coding, aeronautics, robotics, and others, did not even 
exist a generation ago. The economic opportunity for better 
earnings potential is vastly greater for veterans who receive 
this essential training from VR&E. For 125 years, the VFW has 
championed the needs of veterans and their families. While some 
view TDIU as costly, it represents the true cost of war.
    Veterans sent to dangerous places return changed, and it is 
our duty to ensure they have the researchers to survive and 
thrive despite their service-connected disabilities. The 
collective debt to these veterans is unrepayable, but ensuring 
their survival is the least we can do.
    Mr. Chairman, this concludes my testimony, and I am happy 
to answer questions you may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Michael Figlioli Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Self. Thank you. The written statement of Mr. Figlioli 
will be entered into the hearing record. Now, I recognize Mr. 
Stoddard for your opening statement for 5 minutes.

                   STATEMENT OF MIKE STODDARD

    Mr. Stoddard. Acting Chairman Self, Ranking Member Pappas, 
and distinguished subcommittee members, on behalf of Wounded 
Warrior Project, I want to thank you for this opportunity to 
speak about TDIU. We share your commitment to ensuring VA 
continues to support our veterans who have earned this benefit 
through their service and their sacrifice. Wounded Warrior 
Project has been working with post-9-11 generation for 20 
years, and our goal is to ensure every veteran receives the 
benefits they have earned in a manner that honors their 
service.
    Across more than a dozen programs and services that we 
provide at no cost to the veteran, one of the first and most 
impactful interactions many of our warriors have with our 
organization is with our benefit services team. Helping 
warriors with their VA claim is just one element of our 
holistic approach to helping warriors on their path to mental, 
physical, and financial wellness, but our research tells us 
that this is a critical part.
    Our Annual Warrior Survey reveals that service-connected 
injuries and complex health problems play a major role in 
sustaining gainful employment. When looking at disability 
ratings alongside employment status, approximately half of our 
responding warriors who were unemployed and looking for work 
had a 100 percent disability rating. Among responding warriors 
who were not looking for work, about 7 in 10 had a 100 percent 
disability rating.
    Why are these numbers important? A 100 percent rating is 
often associated with unemployment and does not adequately 
insulate a warrior from feeling financial strain. Almost two-
thirds of our warriors who reported 100 percent disability 
rating also reported they did not have enough money to make 
ends meet last year. To be clear, some veterans have conditions 
where work is not going to be possible now or in the future. 
For others, TDIU is a part of the larger picture that includes 
getting back to work eventually.
    Wounded Warrior Project is committed to helping disabled 
veterans seamlessly transition into the civilian workforce.
    In many instances, we inform warriors about the 
opportunities provided by VR&E before pursuing a TDIU rating. 
Here is an example of how we help. Despite a decorated career, 
an Army sergeant had a service-related injuries that left him 
eligible for TDIU. While this financial security was a relief, 
the Army sergeant yearned to continue contributing. He reached 
out to both VR&E and Wounded Warrior Project for support on his 
employment endeavors.
    VR&E counselors with expertise in veteran disabilities 
began crafting an employment plan that leveraged the sergeant's 
transferable skills and accommodated his limitations. 
Meanwhile, we offered support through benefit services, alumni, 
our Warriors to Work programs, connecting the sergeant with a 
network of veterans who understood his unique challenges and 
could offer guidance on navigating a civilian career path.
    This combined arms approach with VR&E's practical tools and 
Wounded Warrior Projects camaraderie positioned the sergeant 
for successful transition back into gainful employment. For 
reasons like this, we support the VR&E program as a pathway to 
long-term employment of disabled warriors. We do have some 
suggestions for how these systems can work better together.
    First, we strongly support the removal of the VR&E 
delimiting date. Under current regulations, a veteran is only 
eligible for VR&E for 12 years from the date of discharge or 
their first disability rating.
    If disabilities worsen or new disabilities arise, some 
veterans may find the VR&E option is no longer there and TDIU 
becomes one of the only reasonable options left. Removing the 
delimiting date would fix this.
    Second, we support making VR&E easier to access for 
veterans who have established TDIU. Although pursuing VR&E 
should never be a prerequisite to receive TDIU, it can be a 
launch pad to return to work when a veteran is ready. Since the 
evidence needed to receive TDIU generally exceeds what is 
needed to enter VR&E, we would support a more integrated onramp 
for a program that can prepare warriors to reenter the 
workforce.
    Third, we recommend that the VA do a review of the overall 
effectiveness of reducing a veteran on TDIU to their overall 
original disability rating after securing gainful employment 
for a period of 12 months. By looking into this issue, we can 
ensure the appropriate steps to ensure veterans with a TDIU 
rating have the support they need to be gainfully employed by 
removing financial barriers that may inhibit them from the 
earliest steps back into the workforce.
    Finally, we recommend exploring the development and 
implementation of a VR&E resource hub. Current VR&E staffing 
and resources are not consistent across the country, so the 
same opportunities are not available to all veterans seeking 
VR&E support. We recommend creating solutions to help all 
veterans, regardless of where they live and access service to 
have equal opportunity to leverage VR&E resources in their 
pursuit of gainful employment.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify and look forward 
to your questions.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Mike Stoddard Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Self. Thank you to each of you for being here and for 
what you do for our veterans. I appreciate your testimonies. I 
now recognize myself for 5 minutes and your written statement, 
Mr. Stoddard will be entered in the hearing record. I now 
recognize myself for 5 minutes.
    I want to go back to Mr. Barefield about increasing any 
mandatory spending amounts. There is one offset that is used by 
this committee, by this Congress for mandatory veterans 
programs that we add to the offset. You all, all represent 
major VSOs. This question is to you, the only offset, and I say 
it is not an offset, is that we add to veterans housing loan 
fee in the out years. I need the American people--and I have 
raised this with the major VSOs before. We pay for new 
mandatory spending in any veteran program, any new veteran 
program on the backs of veterans alone in the future. It is not 
an offset. It is an addition to the budget.
    With that said, I will move to my first question, and it is 
for Mr. Stoddard. The PACT Act, I have talked to young veterans 
who have met the presumptive criteria for the PACT Act, but who 
have no symptoms and they have not filed for the PACT Act 
because they do not have any symptoms. They could 15 years from 
now. How does that impact that VR&E date that you mentioned?
    Mr. Stoddard. I appreciate the question Mr. Self. I think 
when we talk about, we want to draw service connection is 
required to get into the VR&E program.
    Mr. Self. Right.
    Mr. Stoddard. Important that if it is not PACT Act 
related----
    Mr. Self. Right.
    Mr. Stoddard [continuing]. and they have that, the most 
important thing I would recommend to anybody that is going to 
pay attention to this is they just need to get in and get filed 
for a claim so we can get their disability. The most important 
thing is I do not want them to overthink it. I want them to 
come see us. Let us advocate for them and find a way to get 
them connected to those resources that they so richly deserve.
    Mr. Self. I agree with your suggestion. Mr. Figlioli, how 
can veterans be better educated about the VA vocational 
rehabilitation services available to them? What do we need to 
do?
    Mr. Figlioli. Yes.
    Mr. Self. We hear a lot in this committee about our 
veterans simply do not know what is available to them.
    Mr. Figlioli. Thank you, Mr. Acting Chairman. Really, you 
know, a good, strong, robust marketing campaign very similar to 
the PACT Act. PACT Act was one of the biggest things that is 
been advertised from VA in a very long time.
    Mr. Self. Right.
    Mr. Figlioli. You know, we have got social media platforms 
left and right. We have them everywhere. VA definitely uses 
them. You also have the opportunity to partner with VSOs, 
whether it is the major VSOs, minor VSOs. Use those social 
media platforms as well to advertise the availability of VR&E. 
Reach as many veterans as you can. A lot of times it is 
somebody that is on the program, they understand what the 
benefit is, and you really have to rely on word of mouth. We 
are doing mass mailings. Lots of letters go up from VA. We have 
had hearings on letters. My inbox is inundated every day with 
electronic messaging from the Comms Department from VA. I think 
if we all work together and probably leverage social media 
quite a bit, we could reach more veterans as well.
    Mr. Self. Mr. Barefield, would you like to take a whack at 
that one?
    Mr. Barefield. Yes. VA has already started doing 
campaigning where they talk about healthcare. They could also 
do that same campaigning talking about other services that are 
available to veterans. On my commute in and out of DC, I listen 
to WTOP radio station, and they have in constant rotation 
commercials that talk about VA healthcare; coming back to VA to 
get your healthcare. They could use those same media campaigns 
to talk about other benefits and services that are available to 
them through VA.
    Mr. Self. How about our rural veterans? We have got many 
veterans that live in rural areas, my district included.
    Mr. Barefield. In cases of veterans that are in rural 
areas, then along with the social media campaigns that were 
mentioned, then that is when you could use mass mailings to 
veterans in the rural areas to reach out to them to make sure 
that they get the same message that veterans that live in 
metropolitan areas receive.
    Mr. Self. Thank you. Mr. Stoddard, back to your proposal 
for a steady glide path off of TDIU once gainful employment is 
had. Would you elaborate on that?
    Mr. Stoddard. Yes, sir, and I appreciate that question. 
What we are finding is during this off ramp, in the 12-month 
window for VR&E, we have veterans. It goes back to your 
education and informing what veterans know. For a year they 
have been gaining the full rate of the TDIU and they have been 
getting the gainful employment which they have been getting.
    They have become accustomed to this. When the VR&E becomes 
at that 12-month mark and the VA decides to take them back to 
their original disability rating, and I use the example of 100 
percent to 90 percent is $1,000 less in a pocket of a veteran. 
As much as we want to prepare them for that off ramping and 
saying, hey, this is going to happen, we know that the real 
landscape for veterans are they are going to pay and get 
accustomed to that money in their pocket.
    Our thought is we start to off ramp and think about how we 
educate them early on into the process and then make sure their 
employment matches whatever that off ramp is going to be.
    Mr. Self. Thank you very much. Now, I recognize the ranking 
member for 5 minutes of questions.
    Mr. Pappas. Oh, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. As I 
asked VA earlier, I wanted to ask all of you this, if your 
organizations or you personally support tying TDIU to age, as 
CBO has suggested?
    Mr. Figlioli. Mr. Ranking Member, no, we do not. The law of 
the land is that age is not tied to a benefit, nor should it 
be, and we will not support that concept.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you. Mr. Barefield.
    Mr. Barefield. No, we do not support having age tied to 
this current TDIU benefit.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay. Mr. Stoddard.
    Mr. Stoddard. Wounded Warrior Project does not support----
    Mr. Pappas. Okay.
    Mr. Stoddard [continuing]. tying age to TDIU.
    Mr. Pappas. Well, thank you. I think that is why this 
proposal should be a non-starter. Mr. Stoddard, you were 
talking about streamlining eligibility for TDIU recipients into 
VR&E. Given that there is significant overlap in eligibility, 
this kind of categorical eligibility for TDIU recipients makes 
sense. Creating a fast lane into VR&E could have some 
concerning implications, you know, for veterans could crowd out 
other veterans from the program or further overburden an 
already overworked VR&E workforce.
    I am wondering if Wounded Warriors Project has considered 
what it would mean for current enrollees in VR&E and their 
level of service if we see an influx of thousands of new 
veterans that were added to the roles on an annual basis?
    Mr. Stoddard. Ranking Member Pappas, I appreciate that 
question. I think what our message here is very clear is that 
the workload, actually, we think, would be, because they have 
already met the requirements of VR&E----
    Mr. Pappas. Uh-huh.
    Mr. Stoddard [continuing]. so, the process of having to 
counsel and do those things really takes that workload off of 
those counselors that could focus on counselors doing that 
because they have already met the requirements of VR&E. They do 
not have to go through the process of trying to figure out do 
they belong there. We think that will help. Obviously, there is 
a concern. We want to make sure that the workload and the 
amount of people taking care of our veterans is represented 
appropriately, but we think that this would be a helpful 
process in getting our folks taken care of.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay. Wondering if others on the panel want to 
reflect on whether veterans on TDIU should be, whether it 
should be tied to VR&E as a condition of eligibility?
    Mr. Figlioli. No. No, Mr. Ranking Member. It is important 
to get people onto VR&E. Let us get them retrained into new 
careers. If they need to get off the rolls, if they want to get 
off the rolls, let us give them that opportunity.
    Mr. Pappas. Uh-huh.
    Mr. Figlioli. Yes, both programs need to exist, need to 
coexist. I think VFW's concern is that VA has eliminated some 
Full-Time Equivalent (FTE) in the VR&E program and now we are 
looking to add more people to it. You know, if we found funding 
and a lot of staff to add for PACT Act processing and claims 
processing should have had the downstream thought about the 
ancillary benefits of a claim; and, they should have had some 
foresight to say, well, people are going to want to maybe get 
on to VR&E and retrain for a career. Let us see if we cannot 
fill those gaps with these staffing levels.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you. Mr. Barefield.
    Mr. Barefield. Yes. DAV does not support making a 
vocational assessment a requirement for TDIU. As mentioned in 
my oral remarks, when you are talking about putting additional 
claims into the VR&E system, you are going to put a strain on 
the current workload that those counselors have. As it was just 
mentioned, in the upcoming budget, they want to reduce VR&E 
staff by 60 people.
    You are talking about an influx of claims and a reduction 
of people. That is naturally going to lead to a backlog, and 
that is going to be creating a bigger problem. That is not a 
successful plan.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay, thank you for that. Mr. Figlioli, maybe I 
could turn to you for this one. If you would agree that 
veterans often work in fields that are not directly or only 
tangentially related to the work that they are doing in the 
military. Similarly, veterans, like civilians, often change 
careers several times in their adult life. Correct?
    Mr. Figlioli. Yes, sir. You know, the workforce from post-
World War II, Korea, and Vietnam is different than what it is 
today. Today it is far more technically based. More people are 
apt to have some kind of a tech interest. Coding, web design. 
Technology is involved in everything that we do, whether we are 
broadcasting this hearing or preparing for the hearing. You 
know, we rely on data, research.
    Everything is tech-linked. I do not think that the average 
veteran today is more or less likely to, you know, pick a blue-
collar job. We also need to be prepared to support them as well 
and be prepared for the change. If, again, if people look for a 
new career, the benefits available to them, and they can get 
into a career field that does not exacerbate their 
disabilities, but they have options. Do they want to have a 
blue-collar job? Do they want to have a white-collar job? Still 
receive that benefit.
    Mr. Pappas. Yes, it seems like it would be difficult to 
predict someone's future earnings potential based just on their 
Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), even if it directly 
translates into a civilian profession. It seems like that is 
what you are saying, correct?
    Mr. Figlioli. Yes, sir. You know, the earnings potential 
today is far greater than it was at any other time. You know, 
let them earn what they can, as much as they can. Let us find 
them a job that they can have that maximum earnings potential 
but sustain the benefit.
    Mr. Pappas. Given that, does anyone think that VA 
compensation, TDIU or otherwise, should be based on MOS or 
civilian occupation? Mr. Stoddard.
    Mr. Stoddard. Ranking Member Pappas, absolutely not. I 
think the example I would use is if you took that where I got 
out of the Army 10 years ago, my earning potential and where I 
am at now may be drastically different. Wounded Warrior Project 
would not be in support of that.
    Mr. Figlioli. VFW would agree with Mr. Stoddard. I think 
that is where we stand.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you. Mr. Barefield.
    Mr. Barefield. We do not agree with that.
    Mr. Pappas. Okay. Well, thanks for your responses. Sorry, 
Mr. Chair, for going over, but I yield back.
    Mr. Self. I want to thank all of our witnesses for 
testifying before us today on this important issue of ensuring 
that TDIU benefit works for today's veterans who sacrifice for 
our Nation and are unable to work as a result. With that, I 
recognize Mr. Pappas for any closing remarks.
    Mr. Pappas. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To answer the question 
posed at the top of the this hearing, does a Total Disability 
Rating based on Individual Unemployability properly compensate 
today's veterans? The answer is unequivocally no. How could it 
possibly? How could a monetary benefit, no matter the scale, 
adequately compensate someone whose life has been altered so 
significantly by their service to this country that they have 
been rendered unable to work? We simply cannot.
    The best we can do is to try to get as close as we can, and 
the TDIU program at VA helps in that effort by individualizing 
what can be an often rigid system. I appreciate the 
subcommittee having this hearing to help highlight a sometimes 
obscure program and to shed some light on ways that VA may help 
veterans who are unable to work or are willing to re-enter the 
workforce but need some assistance in doing so. Lost in this 
conversation, though, is whether or not the compensation rates 
for 100 percent service connected veterans, scheduler or TDIU, 
are themselves high enough. I would argue that they are not, 
and this Congress should look at raising them beyond the annual 
cola, but that is a discussion for another time.
    With that, Mr. Chairman, I join you in thanking all of the 
witnesses before the panel today, and I yield back.
    Mr. Self. Thank you, Ranking Member Pappas, and thank you 
all again for your participation in today's hearing. I ask 
unanimous consent that all members have 5 legislative days to 
revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous 
material. I plan to put for the record a question to you 
officially. Without objection. So, ordered. This hearing is 
adjourned. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 12:00 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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                   Prepared Statement of Ronald Burke

    Good morning, Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member Pappas, and Members 
of the Subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you 
today to discuss the Department of Veterans Affairs' (VA) individual 
unemployability (IU) benefit. With me today are Nick Pamperin, 
Executive Director, Veteran Readiness & Employment (VR&E) Service, 
Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA), and David Barrans, Chief 
Counsel, Office of General Counsel.

Overview

    The IU benefit fills a critical gap when the VA Schedule for Rating 
Disabilities (VASRD) does not fully address the impact of service-
connected disability in a Veteran's circumstances. The intent of the 
VASRD is to fairly compensate Veterans for injuries incurred or as the 
result of their military service. To the extent those disabilities 
impair earning capacity of the average Veteran, the VASRD nonetheless 
cannot always adequately compensate an individual Veteran in their 
specific circumstances. IU is an important provision that enables VA to 
address this, such as when a Veteran's specific impairment does not 
meet the disability rating criteria for a schedular 100 percent 
evaluation, yet there is sufficient evidence of the Veteran's inability 
to obtain or maintain gainful employment. A qualified Veteran would be 
compensated at the 100 percent evaluation rate utilizing VA's IU 
authority. In Fiscal Year (FY) 2023, VA provided over $7 billion in IU 
benefits to 377,108 beneficiaries and saw a 21.7 percent increase in IU 
beneficiaries over the past 10 years (2013-2023).
    A Rating Veterans Service Representative (RVSR) assigns IU ratings 
when the evidence of record shows a Veteran has a minimum combined 
evaluation criteria of a single service-connected disability rated at 
60 percent disabling or more, or has 2 or more disabilities at a 
combined evaluation of 70 percent or more with at least 1 service-
connected condition rated at 40 percent or more, and, in the judgment 
of the decision-maker based on the evidence of record, is not able to 
obtain or maintain substantially gainful employment due solely to 
service-connected disability(ies). In exceptional circumstances, claims 
processors may refer cases that fail to meet the minimum combined 
evaluation criteria to the Executive Director of Compensation Service 
for consideration of an IU rating on an extra-schedular basis.

Authority and Historical Background

    Section 1155 of title 38, United States Code, charges the Secretary 
with responsibility for developing and applying a disability rating 
schedule, known as the VASRD, that is based, ``as far as practicable,'' 
upon the average impairments of earning capacity resulting from 
service-connected disabilities. The IU benefit has a long history in 
regulation. In 1925, the VASRD provided the first definition of total 
disability. Total disability was defined as an impairment of mind or 
body that is sufficient to render it impossible for the average person 
to follow a substantially gainful occupation. In the following decades, 
the regulations regarding IU have been updated numerous times to 
clarify eligibility requirements. Per current 38 C.F.R. Sec.  4.16, 
total disability ratings for compensation may be assigned, where the 
schedular rating is less than total, when the disabled person is, in 
the judgment of the rating agency, unable to secure or follow a 
substantially gainful occupation as a result of service-connected 
disabilities.

Eligibility Criteria

    Under current regulations, Veterans who are unable to secure or 
follow a substantially gainful occupation due to their service-
connected disabilities may be eligible for IU. Generally, IU 
eligibility is established if a Veteran has either 1 service-connected 
disability rated at 60 percent or more, or a single service-connected 
disability rated at 40 percent or more with other service-connected 
disabilities that combine to equal or exceed 70 percent. The single 60 
percent or 40 percent disability may be established based upon 
disabilities of 1 or both upper or lower extremities, disabilities 
resulting from common etiology or a single accident, disabilities 
affecting a single body system, multiple injuries incurred in action, 
or multiple disabilities incurred as a prisoner of war.
    When deciding if a Veteran is entitled to IU, VA reviews all 
available evidence and considers the current severity of the service-
connected disability(ies) that prevent substantially gainful 
employment; the impact of the service-connected disability(ies) upon 
employability; and employment status. Claims processors consider 
economic and non-economic factors impacting employability, including 
but not limited to evidence concerning the Veteran's current employment 
status, past employment history, educational/training history, and 
functional impairment arising from service-connected disabilities.
    A request for a total disability evaluation based on IU, whether 
expressly raised by the Veteran or reasonably raised by the record, is 
not a separate claim for benefits. Rather, the IU claim involves an 
attempt to obtain an appropriate rating for a disability or 
disabilities, either as part of the initial adjudication of a claim or 
as part of a claim for increased compensation if the disability upon 
which IU is based has already been found to be service connected.
    While a substantially complete VA Form 21-8940, Veteran's 
Application for Increased Compensation based on Unemployability, is 
necessary to provide VA with information needed to substantiate 
entitlement to IU, it is not necessary to raise the issue of IU. This 
form is required to establish entitlement to IU because it gathers 
relevant and necessary information regarding a claimant's disabilities 
and employment and educational histories. This form requires the 
Veteran to furnish an employment history for the 5-year period 
preceding the date on which the Veteran last worked. The form concludes 
with a series of sworn certification statements, and in endorsing it, a 
Veteran thereby attests to their employment status and signals 
understanding of the IU benefit's incompatibility with substantially 
gainful work. As part of the development of claims involving IU, VA 
contacts the Veteran's noted employers and asks them to provide 
information concerning the Veteran's employment history, including the 
dates of employment, the type of work performed, and the reasons for 
termination of employment if the Veteran is not currently working.
    If VA decides a medical examination is necessary to determine 
whether a Veteran is entitled to IU, an appropriate examination or 
opinion request is submitted to a Veterans Health Administration 
medical facility or a VBA contract examination provider. Medical 
examiners follow the appropriate Disability Benefits Questionnaires to 
perform a complete and adequate examination for rating purposes, 
answering all questions, and providing opinions as requested. The 
medical examiner is requested to comment on the Veteran's ability to 
function in an occupational environment and describe functional 
impairment caused solely by the service-connected disabilities.
    In some cases, a Veteran's service-connected disability(ies) may 
improve, but this does not necessarily result in the reduction of the 
total disability rating based on IU. In such cases, VA regulation 38 
C.F.R. Sec.  3.343(a) and (c) require that IU ratings will not be 
reduced, in the absence of clear error, without medical evidence 
showing material improvement in physical or mental impairment. In all 
rating reduction cases, a reduction in the evaluation may only be 
effectuated if the improvement is shown by a thorough examination and 
evidence of an improvement in the Veteran's ability to function under 
the ordinary conditions of life, including employment.

Training

    To ensure consistent and quality findings of IU, VBA requires 
completion of standardized training on the subject. VBA requires all 
Veteran Service Representatives (VSR) and Rating Veteran Service 
Representatives (RVSR) to complete training on IU claims processing 
during Virtual and In-Person Progression (VIP) Training. VSRs complete 
approximately 2 days of IU course work, activities, and simulated cases 
to include a learning assessment. VIP provides employees with hands-on 
training, including simulated and live case work training with computer 
applications, policies, and laws. The training enables VSR employees to 
define IU and determine eligibility requirements, determine evidence, 
including medical evidence, required to process claims involving IU, 
and identify resources available to obtain additional evidence. The 
training also allows VSRs to list the steps for processing a claim 
involving IU, identify any ancillary benefits available to the 
Veteran's dependents, and understand the employment and income 
verification requirements for Veterans in receipt of IU benefits. 
Similarly, the VIP training program enables RVSR employees to define 
IU, define eligibility requirements, determine evidence requirements, 
determine effective dates, and rate and process IU claims.
    Additionally, claim processors are assessed annually through the 
Competency Based Training System (CBTS). CBTS is designed to identify 
potential knowledge and skill gaps at the individual level and assign 
remediation to address the potential gap. Additional national-level 
curriculum can be delivered at the station level based on individual 
error trends.

Marginal Employment and Protected Environment

    Over the last several years, VA has examined, through various court 
decisions, studies, and reports completed by stakeholders, if the 
current IU benefit properly compensates Veterans who are unable to 
secure and maintain substantially gainful employment because of their 
service-connected disability(ies). If a Veteran has a service-connected 
disability(ies) that meets the eligibility criteria and earned income 
does not exceed the amount established by the U.S. Census Bureau 
(Department of Commerce) as the poverty threshold for one person, the 
Veteran is considered only marginally employed and may be entitled to 
IU. Veterans may also be found to be marginally employed when their 
income exceeds the poverty threshold if their employment is in a 
protected environment such as a family business or sheltered workshop. 
In determining entitlement to IU, marginal employment does not qualify 
as substantially gainful employment.
    Over the last several years, a number of court decisions\1\ have 
found that VA's regulatory definitions of ``marginal employment'' and 
``protected environment'' lack specificity, and have encouraged VA to 
engage in rulemaking to better define these terms. In January 2024, the 
Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims issued a decision in LaBruzza v. 
McDonough (2024 WL 259882) regarding what constitutes a protected 
environment for purposes of determining entitlement to IU. In that 
decision, the court concluded that ``employment in a protected 
environment,'' as used in VA regulations, is unambiguous and means ``a 
lower-income position that, due to the veteran's service-connected 
disability or disabilities, is shielded in some respect from 
competition in the employment market.''
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Shulkin, 28 Vet.App. 382 (2017); Arline v. McDonough, 34 Vet. App. 238, 
242 (2021)
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    The court elaborated that common characteristics of employment in a 
``protected environment'' include employment sheltered from the open 
labor market and employment based on something other than the strict 
qualifications of the employee. According to the court, protected 
environments include working situations ``shielded, covered, or guarded 
from an outside source of harm,'' with the harm being a Veteran's 
inability to secure or follow a substantially gainful occupation in the 
open labor market because of service-connected disabilities.
    The court cautioned that the ``protected environment'' exception 
that allows a finding of entitlement to total disability based on IU 
when a qualifying Veteran has income exceeding the poverty level must 
be narrowly read lest it supplant the general rule that annual income, 
limited by the poverty threshold, is a key criterion for determining IU 
eligibility. The court recognized that determining whether employment 
is in a protected environment is highly fact specific and hinges on 
context. The court also noted that an employee's receipt of reasonable 
accommodations beyond those legally required by the Americans with 
Disabilities Act may be indicative of employment in a protected 
environment. VA currently is drafting guidance for claims processors 
regarding how to apply this decision and considering whether regulatory 
updates may be needed considering that decision and others.

IU Benefit and Mental Disabilities

    On February 15, 2022, VA published a proposed rule in the Federal 
Register to amend the portion of the VASRD for evaluation of the impact 
of mental disorders. The proposed evaluation criteria measures a 
Veteran's essential ability to participate in a work environment and 
the impact of the mental disorder on earning capacity via a 
comprehensive assessment of occupational and social functioning. The 
proposed new evaluation criteria would more accurately capture the 
occupational impairment caused by mental disabilities and provide more 
adequate compensation for the earnings losses experienced by Veterans 
with service-connected mental disorders. If finalized, the proposed 
change would help alleviate current disparities with evaluations of 
mental disability(ies), so that Veterans with such challenges may 
receive adequate compensation using VASRD criteria, rather than 
receiving IU.

Verifying Earnings and Employment for Continued IU Eligibility

    VA monitors changes in the employability of Veterans receiving IU 
benefits through a yearly Social Security Administration (SSA) wage 
data match. If a Veteran is receiving IU and is identified as having 
verified earned income over the poverty line, VA sends the Veteran a VA 
Form 21-4140, Employment Questionnaire, with an accompanying VA Form 
21-4138, Statement in Support of Claim. The Veteran will be required to 
identify and explain any earned income on the VA Form 21-4140. In 
addition to these forms, VA also sends the Veteran a due process notice 
of proposed adverse action that is sufficient for discontinuation of IU 
due to any of the following: failure to complete and return the VA Form 
21-4140; an insufficient response on the VA Form 21-4140; or a return 
to gainful employment.
    If a Veteran in receipt of IU has been employed for 1 year or more, 
VA will consider whether the employment is sustained, gainful 
employment, or marginal employment, separately from whether the 
Veteran's condition has improved or not. VA will also determine if an 
examination is necessary to evaluate employment status or 
employability. If VA determines gainful employment has been sustained 
for 1 year or more, VA will discontinue entitlement to IU the last day 
of the month 60 days after due process notice was provided.
    Monitoring changes in employability is not required when the 
Veteran has not been identified in the SSA data match as having 
verified earned income above the poverty line; has an IU rating that 
has been in effect for 20 or more continuous years; or has had an IU 
rating replaced with a 100 percent schedular evaluation.

Comparison of Social Security and IU Benefits

    An important distinction between the SSA benefit and the VA IU 
benefit is that SSA disability is based upon the totality of an 
individual's disabling conditions. In contrast, IU considers only 
service-connected disabilities. Hence, Veterans who receive SSA 
disability benefits may not be entitled to IU if their SSA disability 
determination was based upon any disabling conditions that are not 
related to the individual's military service. Conversely, Veterans 
receiving SSA benefits, including SSA retirement benefits earned 
through payroll contributions, can still be entitled to IU if they also 
meet VA's eligibility requirements.
    VA does not preclude IU eligibility based upon the age of an 
eligible Veteran or the fact that they may have retired and/or elected 
to receive SSA retirement benefits upon reaching their SSA retirement 
age. Under VA regulations, age cannot be considered as a factor in 
service-connected claims. Veterans who are 62 or older may therefore be 
eligible to receive retirement benefits from SSA and VA IU benefits.
    VA does not penalize Veterans who are eligible to receive IU 
compensation based upon their election to receive the SSA retirement 
benefits they have earned. VA recognizes that some Veterans may prefer 
to engage in substantially gainful employment beyond an age where they 
are entitled to draw the SSA retirement benefits they earned but may be 
unable to do so because of their service-connected disabilities. VA 
also recognizes that a Veteran's decision to discontinue work and draw 
SSA retirement benefits they earned may be influenced by the 
impediments service-connected disabilities impose on their continued 
ability to perform in their occupations.
    The issues of Veterans receiving both IU and SSA benefits and of 
age as a factor in IU decisions have been raised by various parties 
over the years. A 2015 report from the U.S. Government Accountability 
Office (GAO) \2\ on IU included a recommendation that VA study whether 
age should be considered when deciding if Veterans are unemployable. In 
October 2017, in response to that recommendation, VA completed such 
study, which first compared two potential age-specific IU eligibility 
policies: (1) placing a cap on the age at which Veterans can begin 
receiving benefits; and (2) placing restrictions on the age for both 
initial claimants and existing beneficiaries. VA concluded that both 
alternative eligibility policies would reduce the number of Veterans 
receiving IU benefits. Upon reviewing the results of the study, VA 
decided not to make policy changes regarding the IU benefit.
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    In 2014, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) proposed several 
options to reform the disability compensation program,\3\ including 
discontinuing IU benefits when the Veteran reaches SSA's full 
retirement age. The rationale provided was that most Veterans who are 
older than SSA's full retirement age would not be in the labor force 
because of their age and that a lack of earnings among them would 
probably not be attributable to service-connected disabilities. CBO 
also noted that Veterans over SSA's retirement age who currently 
receive IU benefits would likely have income from other sources, 
including the regular schedular VA disability compensation benefit in 
addition to SSA retirement benefits. Recently, CBO addressed ending IU 
payments to disabled Veterans at the full retirement age for Social 
Security in its options for reducing the deficit, published in December 
2022.\4\
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2014/reports/45615-VADisability_OneCol_2.pdf
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2014/reports/45615-VADisability_OneCol_2.pdf
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    VA currently has no plans to limit IU based on age or concurrent 
receipt of SSA retirement or disability benefits, recognizing that the 
IU benefit fills a critical gap when the VASRD fails to fully address 
the impact of disability in a specific Veteran's circumstances.

VA Occupational Training and Counseling

    The mission of VA's VR&E program is to assist qualified Service 
members and Veterans with service-connected disability(ies) prepare 
for, obtain, and maintain suitable employment or maintain a life of 
independence. VR&E achieves this mission by providing comprehensive 
vocational counseling services to transitioning Service members and 
Veterans to ensure goals are suitable and attained.
    Eligibility for VR&E benefits is determined for Veterans who 
received an honorable or other than dishonorable discharge, have a VA 
service-connected disability rating of at least 10 percent, and apply 
for services. Following eligibility, entitlement must be determined and 
is based on the establishment of a barrier to employment resulting from 
a service--connected disability(ies). A significant barrier must be 
established for Veterans rated 10 percent.
    Per 38 U.S.C. Sec.  1163, each time a Veteran is granted payment at 
the total disability rate based on IU during the period beginning after 
January 31, 1985, VR&E Service will be notified to provide counseling. 
This includes information about the VR&E program such as how to apply, 
eligibility, and services available. When a Veteran in receipt of IU 
applies to the VR&E program, a feasibility assessment must be completed 
to determine appropriate services.
    In some instances, a Veteran's functional limitations due to 
disability(ies) impact their ability to participate in a rehabilitation 
program on a full-time basis. In these circumstances, VR&E offers 
Reduced Work Tolerance services that are approved when the Veteran's 
disability conditions prevent the pursuit of full-time training, based 
on recommendations from a medical provider. The Veteran can then be 
assisted with obtaining less than full-time employment.
    During Fiscal Year 2023, VA provided VR&E services to 131,179 
Veterans and Service members, and 17,135 Veterans have successfully 
completed their VR&E program. During Fiscal Year 2023, VBA paid over 
$1.6 billion in VR&E benefits. As of May 1, 2024, VR&E has 151,769 
Veteran participants with 90,380 enrolled in Long-Term Services, which 
helps program participants obtain education and training needed to find 
work in a different field that better suits current abilities and 
interests of participants.

VR&E Longitudinal Study

    The VR&E Longitudinal Study, required by 38 U.S.C. Sec.  3122, 
follows 3 cohorts of former participants over a 20-year period and 
details the of self-reported outcomes of those completing the program. 
The Longitudinal Study provides insight into four major areas: 
employment, income, home ownership, and use of supplemental programs 
for VR&E enrolled Veterans. The study finds that the median annual 
household income of Veterans who successfully complete the program is 
$95,000, which is 65 percent higher than Veterans who did not complete 
the VR&E program. Additionally, these Veterans have homeownership rates 
of 76 percent, which is 15 percentage points higher than Veterans who 
do not complete the VR&E program. The employment rate for rehabilitated 
Veterans steadily increased from 45 percent in Fiscal Year 2012 (the 
first year of survey data collection) to 72 percent 5 years later in 
Fiscal Year 2017, and to 75 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.

Additional Data

    The VA chapter 31 benefit assists Veterans with service-connected 
disabilities prepare for, find, and keep suitable employment. During 
the past 5 years, VA received nearly 3,000 applications for VR&E 
benefits for Veterans in receipt of IU, of which 98 percent were found 
entitled to chapter 31 benefits. VR&E Service has seen an average of 
549 IU applicants per year for chapter 31 benefits. Since 2020, VA has 
witnessed the successful rehabilitation of 70 Veterans in receipt of IU 
cases. It is noteworthy that there has not been a significant disparity 
in the discontinuance rates between IU cases and the entire VR&E 
population. Specifically, 1,994 Veterans in receipt of IU cases were 
discontinued, comprising 66.8 percent of total cases, a figure quite 
like the discontinuance rate of the entire chapter 31 Veteran 
population, which stands at 65.4 percent. Of these discontinued cases, 
92.5 percent were due to the Veteran choosing not to continue in the 
program. As of May 13, 2024, VA has 345 VR&E participants with pending 
IU applications, with 292 in the evaluation and planning status, and 
285 actively participating in a rehabilitation plan.

Closing

    VA appreciates Congress' continued support in finding ways to 
improve the services and benefits available to transitioning Service 
members and Veterans who have challenges preparing for, obtaining, and 
maintaining gainful employment. VA remains committed to continuing 
collaboration with you and its stakeholders. Mr. Chairman, this 
concludes my statement. My colleagues and I would be happy to answer 
any questions you or other members of the Subcommittee may have.

                                 

                Prepared Statement of Marquis Barefield

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member Pappas and Members of the 
Subcommittee:

    Thank you for inviting DAV (Disabled American Veterans) to be a 
witness at your hearing titled, ``Does a Total Disability Rating Based 
on Individual Unemployability (TDIU) Properly Compensate Today's 
Veterans?''
    DAV is a congressionally chartered and Department of Veterans 
Affairs (VA) accredited veterans service organization. We provide 
meaningful claims support free of charge to more than 1 million 
veterans, family members, caregivers and survivors. To fulfill our 
service mission, DAV directly employs a corps of benefits advisors, 
national service officers (NSOs), all of whom are themselves wartime 
service-connected disabled veterans, at every VA regional office (VARO) 
as well as other VA facilities throughout the Nation, including the 
Board of Veterans' Appeals (Board). During 2023, DAV national and 
transition service officers interviewed over 300,000 veterans and their 
families, and filed more than 200,000 new claims for over 600,000 
specific injuries and/or illnesses. Thanks to the great work of our 
service officers, those represented by DAV obtained more than $28 
billion in earned benefits in 2023.
    We are pleased to provide our insight, concerns, and 
recommendations as we explore the requirements of TDIU, discuss the 
veteran's age and TDIU, compare it the Social Security Administration's 
(SSA) Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program and discuss 
levels of compensation for TDIU.

      Total Disability Rating Based on Individual Unemployability

    As we discuss and debate TDIU, how it is defined and applied, we 
must remember whom this impacts; service-connected disabled veterans 
suffering from mental health disorders such as post traumatic stress 
disorder (PTSD) from combat or military sexual trauma, cognitive 
disabilities such as traumatic brain injuries (TBI), amputations and 
other orthopedic conditions limiting mobility, diseases impacting the 
ability to breathe, digest, hear, see, as well as the effects of 
cancers, not to mention the overwhelming disruption of life caused by 
chronic pain.
    For those veterans who are unable to work due to service-connected 
disabilities but whose disabilities do not meet the requirements for a 
total rating under VA's regular rating schedule criteria, VA has 
special provisions for awarding total disability ratings. A total 
disability rating for compensation based on TDIU may be assigned where 
the schedular rating is less than total, when it is found that the 
disabled person is unable to secure or follow a substantially gainful 
occupation as a result of a single service-connected disability ratable 
at 60 percent or more, or as a result of two or more disabilities, 
provided at least one disability is ratable at 40 percent or more, and 
there is sufficient additional service-connected disability to bring 
the combined rating to 70 percent or more.
    Total disability will be considered to exist when there is present 
any impairment of mind or body tis sufficient to render it impossible 
for the average person to follow a substantially gainful occupation. 
Therefore, total disability ratings for compensation may be assigned, 
where the schedular rating is less than total, when the veteran is, in 
the judgment of the rating agency, unable to secure or follow a 
substantially gainful occupation as a result of service-connected 
disabilities.
    The distinction between total disability on a schedular basis and 
TDIU is that total disability on a schedular basis is founded on an 
``average person'' standard, as are all regular schedular ratings, 
while unemployability ratings are based on the impact of the disability 
in the veteran's own circumstances.
    Average earning capacity, or average person, is a standard or a 
single value used to represent a broad universe of persons. Like an 
average, it is approximately the middle position in a data set or 
intermediate between the two ends or extremes on a scale. Consequently, 
while the concept of average impairment in earning capacity is the 
basis underlying the various percentage evaluations provided for given 
levels of disability in the rating schedule, unemployability 
determinations are not based on average impairment and must consider 
the disability as it affects the individual's ability to follow a 
substantially gainful occupation in light of his or her attained work 
skills and educational background.

Substantially Gainful Occupation

    Substantially gainful occupation, found in 38 C.F.R. Sec.  4.16, 
has been clarified by the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans 
Claims (Court) decision, Ray v. Wilkie, 31 Vet. App. 58 (2019). First, 
there is an economic component, which essentially contemplates an 
occupation earning more than marginal income (outside of a protected 
environment) as determined by the U.S. Department of Commerce as the 
poverty threshold for one person. Second, there is a non-economic 
component dealing with the individual veteran's ability to follow and 
secure employment.
    For the second component, attention must be given to: (a) the 
veteran's history, education, skill and training, (b) the veteran's 
physical ability (both exertional and non-exertional) to perform the 
type of activities (e.g., sedentary, light, medium, heavy or very 
heavy) required by the occupation at issue, with relevant factors such 
as lifting, bending, sitting, standing, walking, climbing, grasping, 
typing, reaching, auditory and visual, and (c) whether the veteran has 
the mental ability to perform the type of activities required by the 
occupation at issue, with relevant factors such as memory, 
concentration, and ability to adapt to change, handle work place 
stress, get along with coworkers and demonstrate reliability and 
productivity.

Marginal Employment

    Substantially gainful employment is defined as work that is more 
than marginal, and that permits the individual to earn a living wage. 
Moore v. Derwinski, 1 Vet. App. 356, 358-59 (1991). The ability to work 
only a few hours a day or only sporadically does not qualify as an 
ability to engage in substantially gainful employment. See id. Marginal 
employment shall generally be deemed to exist when a veteran's earned 
income does not exceed the amount established by the U.S. Department of 
Commerce, Bureau of the Census, as the poverty threshold for one 
person.
    VA's Federal Advisory Committee on Disability Compensation was 
tasked in the January 6, 2014, VA Response to the Committee's 2012 
Biennial Report to conduct a study of the issue of Individual 
Unemployability (IU) and make recommendations based on the earnings and 
losses study. The Committee expressed concern in the 2016 Biennial 
Report that there was no plan developed to study economic loss data. VA 
initiated a limited study in 2017 which identified weaknesses with 
respect to sample size. VA has engaged contractors for a more robust 
study which has not been completed. Analysis is still pending access to 
data bases from other Federal agencies. The Committee remains concerned 
about the approach being taken.
    As an exception to poverty threshold-based marginal employment, 
which in turn is an exception to the norm of TDIU usually being awarded 
to veterans who are unemployed, facts found marginal employment, 
including employment in a protected environment, must be read narrowly 
so that it does not utterly supplant the general rule that annual 
income, limited by the poverty threshold, is a key criterion for 
determining TDIU eligibility. See Rossy v. Shulkin, 29 Vet.App. 142, 
144-45 (2017).
    In the recent decision of LaBruzza v. McDonough (2024), the Court 
held, ``for the purposes of ascertaining the meaning of employment in a 
protected environment, the Court concludes that the phrase limits such 
employment to lower-income positions that produce earned annual income 
that exceeds the poverty threshold. And while the fact-specific nature 
of the protected-environment inquiry, as well as institutional 
limitations, prevents the Court from setting a bright-line standard for 
what constitutes a lower--income position, the extent to which a 
veteran's earned annual income exceeds the poverty threshold is clearly 
a key regulatory consideration.''
    As can be gleaned by the above descriptions and explanations about 
substantial gainful employment and marginal employment, the Court has 
weighed in often on these requirements of TDIU. However, one area we 
have yet to address is the veteran's age, which cannot be considered in 
any determination of entitlement to TDIU.

                         Veteran's Age and TDIU

    Although TDIU is based on the effect of disability on the 
individual, it does not discriminate on the basis of age. If the total 
rating is based on TDIU, it must be determined that the service-
connected disabilities are sufficient to produce unemployability 
without regard to advancing age. VA is required to determine, without 
regard to age, whether it is the service-connected disability that 
renders the veteran unemployable.
    Per VA's Fiscal Year 2025 annual budget submission, in September 
2023, 377,108 veterans received TDIU, an increase of 933 cases over 
September 2022. While TDIU caseload continues to increase at a gradual 
rate, the percentage of veterans on the compensation rolls receiving 
TDIU compared to total veteran caseload has been decreasing slightly, 
from 7.8 percent in September 2017 to 6.8 percent in September 2023.
    Although the percentage of veterans receiving TDIU has slightly 
decreased and VA regulations preclude considering the veteran's age, 
attempts to limit TDIU based on the veteran's age have persisted. For 
example, the June 2015 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report, 
``Veterans' Disability Benefits: VA Can Better Ensure Unemployability 
Decisions Are Well Supported,'' they recommended to develop a plan to 
study whether age should be considered when deciding if veterans are 
unemployable.
    Reports from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in November 
2013, August 2014 and December 2016, provided options to limit TDIU 
based on age and entitlement to additional earned benefits. In the 
former administration's 2018 budget, VA proposed to terminate TDIU 
ratings for veterans at the age of 62 and cutoff TDIU benefits for any 
veteran already in receipt of Social Security benefits.
    In the December 2022 CBO report, ``Options for Reducing the 
Deficit, 2023 to 2032,'' an option was presented to terminate TDIU 
ratings for veterans at age 67 or older, and cutoff TDIU benefits for 
any veterans already in receipt of TDIU. This is predicated on the 
veteran being in receipt of SSA based on retirement age. Another option 
in the report would require that once a veteran meets the SSA 
retirement age, all disability benefits would be reduced by 30 percent.
    To be clear, total compensation for TDIU is not a retirement 
benefit. Many veterans in receipt of TDIU may have not have earned 
enough work credits to receive SSA retirement. Therefore, cutting off 
benefits due to obtaining the retirement age or age 67, would take TDIU 
benefits from veterans with no SSA entitlement or actual retirement 
benefits.
    Today, many people work well beyond what was once considered normal 
retirement age. Typically, VA awards the benefit when disability forces 
the veteran to terminate employment. To award TDIU to a veteran age 64 
and deny it to a veteran aged 67, for example, would be unfair 
discrimination, disparate treatment of veterans similarly situated, and 
wholly unjustified from an equitable standpoint.
    Age may not be considered a factor in evaluating service-connected 
disabilities or in determining entitlement to TDIU as stated in 38 
C.F.R. Sec.  4.19. That is why DAV strongly supports H.R. 6362, the 
Protecting Benefits for Disabled Veterans Act. This legislation would 
codify entitlement to TDIU and include the provisions of 38 C.F.R. 
Sec.  4.19, to protect TDIU for all veterans regardless of age. Through 
our grassroots efforts, DAV members and supporters sent nearly 11,500 
emails to the House of Representatives in support of the Protecting 
Benefits for Disabled Veterans Act.
    Although VA cannot consider age regarding TDIU, other programs 
consider age, such as VA's nonservice-connected pension program and 
SSA's SSDI program.

  Social Security Disability Insurance and Total Disability Based on 
                       Individual Unemployability

    SSDI was established in 1956 as a component of the Old Age, 
Survivors and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program. Its primary purpose 
is to replace a portion of an insured worker's earnings, should a 
medically determinable illness or injury impede his or her ability to 
work. For SSDI benefits, an individual must have a sufficient work 
history and must be unable to engage in any employment that brings 
income in excess of the substantial gainful activity (SGA) threshold, 
as a result of one or more medical conditions that is expected to last 
12 months or longer, or result in death.
    SSDI is an insurance program that replaces a portion of earnings 
for an eligible worker whose illness or injury, while not necessarily 
caused by a work-related incident, results in an inability to work. 
SSDI is one of several Federal programs funded through the Federal 
Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) payroll tax and the Self Employment 
Contributions Act (SECA) tax to which all workers and employers in 
covered occupations (including military personnel) and self-employed 
individuals make contributions.
    Insurance against disability from any cause is to be distinguished 
from compensation for disability from military service. VA compensation 
is not an insurance program; it is based on wounds, injuries and 
illnesses that are related to active military service.
    Age is a factor in determining entitlement to SSDI on the principle 
that, where a person is unable to perform his or her customary work, 
the effects of advancing age reduces a person's ability to adjust to 
other work for which the person has the necessary skills, education, 
and physical or mental abilities. The June 2015 GAO report, ``Veterans' 
Disability Benefits: VA Can Better Ensure Unemployability Decisions Are 
Well Supported,'' proposed SSDI's age restriction. It noted the 
potential strengths:

      Could better target the intended population--older 
veterans might not be likely to work past retirement age.

      Benefit costs might be reduced due to the reduction in 
payments to older veterans.

    The report noted the following challenges:

      Some veterans might not have income replacement 
available--especially those who had been on TDIU in advance of reaching 
retirement age.

      Could be unfair to veterans--older individuals might have 
the option of working past the retirement age, but older veterans whose 
service-connected disabilities stop them from working cannot.

    Regulatory provisions preclude VA from considering age. Thus, 
contrasting SSDI with TDIU, considering age restrictions, is clearly 
not an apples to apples comparison. DAV is firm in our conviction that 
age restrictions will negatively impact veterans. We remind Congress 
that age must be ignored because compensation is paid for the effects 
of service-connected disabilities, not the effects of age.
    Disability determinations for SSDI benefits entail a five-step 
process. First, an applicant files for benefits with the SSA at the 
agency's website, a field office, or through a toll-free phone line. 
The responsibility for adjudicating the application then shifts to 
medical and vocational experts at state-level Disability Determination 
Services (DDS) agencies.
    In the previously noted 2015 GAO report, it considered the results 
of a mandatory vocational assessment before granting TDIU benefits. It 
was noted that not all veterans who claim TDIU do not receive a 
vocational assessment. The vocational assessment would address whether 
the veteran could be rehabilitated in order to maintain employment. In 
addition, rating specialists working on TDIU claims would receive 
training in how to interpret the findings from the vocational 
assessment. Rating specialists would then be able to use this 
assessment, along with the results of medical reports and other 
information, to help determine the veteran's ability to engage in work 
activities. The report noted only potential strength of such a 
requirement:

      Could help provide a more complete appraisal of the 
veteran's ability to work.

    VA has vocational specialists with the Veteran Readiness & 
Employment (VR&E) program, so if a vocational component was required, 
it would more than likely fall to VR&E. The report also identified 
potential challenges as:

      Could require VA to expand its vocational rehabilitation 
program to address the increase in required assessments.

      Could cause delays in benefit decisions.

      Rating specialists and vocational rehabilitation 
counselors might need to receive additional training on how to assess 
the vocational rehabilitation findings.

      Could increase the burden on veterans as they would 
likely need to submit to an additional assessment.

      By adding a new factor to consider, could possibly 
increase the subjectivity of claim decision-making, thereby possibly 
creating more variation in decisions.

    Our experience has showed that when a veteran is denied entry into 
a VR&E plan for employment due to their service-connected disabilities, 
it has an impact for the veteran to be awarded TDIU. However, we have 
concerns over making that a requirement, as this could create an 
additional burden on the veteran to obtain a vocational opinion on 
their own, which many may not have the means to obtain.
    VA's 2025 budget submission indicated that they would be losing 
approximately 60 FTE. We believe adding a vocational component would 
lengthen the processing time and place an additional burden on VR&E 
counselors, even though many have admitted they are currently 
overwhelmed.
    If the requirements of a vocational expert become mandatory, we 
have concerns as the Court does not find that vocational opinions are 
equivalent to medical opinions (finding that vocational expertise is 
not the same as medical expertise). See Arline v. McDonough 34 Vet. 
App. 238 (2021). To take this even farther, the Federal Circuit Court 
of Appeals has held that the ultimate determination of whether a 
veteran is capable of substantial gainful employment rests with the VA 
adjudicator, not a medical examiner. Geib v. Shinseki, 733 F.3d 1350, 
1354 (Fed. Cir. 2013). This means that VA can discount any vocational 
or medical opinion that could be potentially beneficial for a veteran 
seeking TDIU.
    Though they are imperfect and have been criticized by the Court and 
GAO, we believe the current rules, for the most part, prescribe 
consideration of the appropriate factors. These decisions do require 
careful examination of the facts and the exercise of well-informed and 
well-reasoned judgments. Most veterans prefer to work if they are able 
and we believe they should be afforded those opportunities and not be 
solely reliant on VA compensation rates.

                           TDIU Compensation

    Currently VA has stated that approximately 5 million veterans are 
in receipt of VA compensation and as we noted above, roughly 400,000 
veterans are receiving TDIU compensation, which is the same 
compensation rate as 100 percent disabled. This means approximately 8 
percent are receiving TDIU compensation, which for a single veteran is 
$3737.85 a month equaling $44,854.20 a year.
    In the fourth quarter of 2023, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics 
reported that the national average salary was $59,384.00. The Forbes 
Advisor reported that the average annual salary in the United States in 
2024 is $59,428.00 with and average hourly rate of $28.34. Based on 
these numbers and the 100 percent disability compensation rates for a 
single veteran, which is an approximate difference of $15,000 less that 
the national average annual salary.
    For those veterans that are unable to work due solely to their 
service-connected disabilities, they receive compensation that is 
demonstrably lower than the national average. TDIU compensation is not 
some lottery windfall amount, it is below average and veterans are 
required to use this amount for themselves and their families.
    We recommend an increase not only in the 100 percent disability 
compensation rates, but an adjustment of all rates based on any 
potential increased rate for 100 percent. Further, we recommend that 
more opportunities for education, vocational training and job placement 
be made available for all veterans and specifically those in receipt of 
TDIU.
    Many veterans have difficulties with the loss of independence and 
being forced to deal with the aspects of diseases, wounds and injuries, 
medical appointments, treatments, prosthetics and medications. VA is 
required to notify a veteran awarded TDIU of the availability of 
vocational rehabilitation and offer the veteran counseling services and 
the opportunity for evaluation as to whether the achievement of a 
vocational goal is feasible.
    Although a veteran might have the potential to perform 
substantially gainful employment in the future upon successful 
completion of vocational rehabilitation training, entry into a program 
of vocational rehabilitation, by itself, does not cause a termination 
of TDIU benefits. A veteran who undertakes a program of vocational 
rehabilitation is not considered ``rehabilitated to the point of 
employability'' unless he or she has been ``rendered employable in an 
occupation for which a vocational rehabilitation program has been 
provided, as noted in 38 C.F.R. Sec.  21.72. Additionally, 
participation in an education program does not mean that a veteran is 
employable and TIDU cannot be discontinued for that reason.
    However, there are provisions that essentially allow for a period 
of trial work, in which a TDIU rating cannot be reduced where a veteran 
secures and follows a substantially gainful occupation unless the 
veteran maintains such an occupation for a period of 12 consecutive 
months. See 38 C.F.R. Sec.  3.343(c)(2). We agree that it is desirable 
to provide every reasonable opportunity and encouragement for disabled 
veterans, including those with very serious handicaps and those found 
to be unemployable, to have the ability to return to work.
    Mr. Chairman, in closing, we must remember that TDIU impacts those 
service-connected disabled veterans suffering from mental health 
disorders such as PTSD from combat or military sexual trauma, cognitive 
disabilities such as TBIs, amputations and other orthopedic conditions 
limiting mobility, diseases impacting the ability to breathe, digest, 
hear, see, as well as the effects of cancers, not to mention the 
overwhelming disruption of life caused by chronic pain.
    DAV believes that improvement can be made to the TDIU process; 
however, our conviction remains with the following:

      Total disability will be considered to exist when there 
is present any impairment of mind or body which is sufficient to render 
it impossible for the average person to follow a substantially gainful 
occupation.

      Unemployability ratings are based on the impact of the 
disability in the veteran's own circumstances in light of his or her 
attained work skills and educational background.

      Total disability compensation for TDIU is not a 
retirement benefit.

      Age should not be considered a factor in evaluating 
service-connected disabilities or in determining entitlement to TDIU.

      VA compensation is not an insurance program; It is based 
on wounds, injuries and illnesses that are related to active military 
service.

      Veterans in receipt of total disability compensation 
receive substantially less than the national average salary.

      Mandatory vocational assessments would create a burden on 
the VR&E program and create delays in claims and appeals.

      Disabled veterans, including those with very serious 
handicaps and those found to be unemployable, deserve to have a 
mechanism to return to work.

    While we agree that there need to be better paths to employment, 
education and training, we must be vigilant in protecting those that 
receive a total disability based on individual unemployability due to 
the severity of their service-connected disabilities. This concludes my 
testimony.

                                 

                 Prepared Statement of Michael Figlioli

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member Pappas, and members of the 
subcommittee, on behalf of the men and women of the Veterans of Foreign 
Wars of the United States (VFW) and its Auxiliary, thank you for the 
opportunity to provide our remarks on this important issue.
    Total Disability based on Individual Unemployability (TDIU) has 
long been a delicate subject of debate. For many, the benefits provided 
by the program have been life changing, not only for veterans but for 
their family members as well. While some may be quick to focus on costs 
and numbers, the underlying core of the discussion is about people. 
These are individuals who put themselves in harm's way and were 
injured. Some of the wounds are visible and some are not, but because 
of their service they are unable to achieve gainful employment.
    As we have witnessed for more than 20 years, one of the tragic 
consequences of men and women risking their lives is that they do not 
always return in the same condition as when they left. Many have had 
their lives changed in an instant whether it was due to an improvised 
explosive device blast, or toxic exposure to radiation, dioxins, or 
herbicides. For those who selflessly served this country but do not 
meet the schedular requirements for a 100 percent disability rating and 
are left with the insidious effects of war that preclude them from 
gainful employment, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) can provide 
a TDIU rating.
    Every process, program, and system has the capacity for improvement 
in some form or another. The VFW supports process improvement that 
sustains or enhances benefits for those who served their country. We 
must be cautious of unintended consequences for those who rely on this 
benefit, especially the most vulnerable who depend on this payment for 
their very survival.

TDIU Compensation

    Of all the discussions over the years about VA benefits, countless 
hearings, statistical analyses, Congressional Budget Office 
recommendations, and opinions based on fact or perception, TDIU has 
been one of the most contentious issues. It has been a difficult 
benefit to discuss, likely because this law pushes the boundaries of 
statistical and accepted norms. As stated, age is not to be taken into 
account when making a decision. Yet, it is always the ``elephant in the 
room'' when there are discussions about its parity with the civilian 
sector. There is no standard expectation when it comes to the effects 
of illness or injury and the impact on a veteran. Some veterans will 
become unemployable as their disabilities worsen with age. The VFW 
believes that most veterans would prefer to work if capable of doing 
so.
    The VFW is aware of the cost of this benefit in terms of dollars 
and cents. Looking back, we have seen veterans' programs cut when the 
financial cost of war disappears from the media's focus. Taking 
benefits from veterans was wrong then and it is still wrong today. Any 
benefit to which a veteran is entitled by their service to our Nation 
is never a waste of money.
    Many veterans have recently become beneficiaries of VA disability 
compensation due to changes in the law. This has become more apparent 
with the passage of the PACT Act. Prior to that there was the expansion 
of Blue Water Navy benefits. These veterans who suffered silently due 
to the bureaucratic process continued to get older and their 
disabilities worsened. They are now unable to work and are entitled to 
TDIU as a result. Many are past retirement age and may not have had the 
opportunity to pay into the system. Like every other eligible veteran 
who may be younger, these older veterans should not have the benefit 
taken away.

TDIU / Social Security

    Veterans in the TDIU program have service-connected disabilities. 
These disabilities prevent them from working or contributing to the 
Social Security trust funds like their civilian counterparts in the 
workforce. TDIU beneficiaries would be at a significant disadvantage in 
compensation provided by Social Security.
    The law prohibits VA from taking age into consideration in a claim 
for disability benefits. By this statute alone, age is also not a 
contributing factor in determining TDIU eligibility, and the VFW 
supports this criterion. Health care has advanced significantly, 
whether provided by VA or the civilian sector. Americans in general are 
living and working longer.
    In each new Congress there are proposals submitted by the 
Congressional Budget Office to stop TDIU at the age of retirement 
because those veterans are no longer employable, which relates to the 
age of eligibility for Social Security. It is off-putting that Congress 
would suggest that Americans should not be considered part of the 
workforce simply due to age. Elder workers are entitled to their earned 
wages and associated benefits. Veterans receiving TDIU have documented 
service-connected disabilities and should not be penalized for their 
inability to work.
    The comparison of TDIU to Social Security is the proverbial 
``apples and oranges.'' The Social Security safety net is intended to 
supplement lost income customarily due to retirement from the workforce 
after earning enough work credit at an age determined by that agency. 
Many individuals have the opportunity to contribute to a qualifying 
retirement plan such as a 401(k) to ensure their financial security in 
retirement. TDIU is compensation due to injuries or illness incurred in 
service to one's nation. There is no formula or predetermined age to 
calculate when a veteran who has the desire to continue working is 
unable to do so.

TDIU / VR&E / Earnings Capacity

    Everyone's service was different whether it was by occupational 
specialty, theater, or period of time. Post-service entitlements are 
also different for every eligible claimant. As the world and technology 
have evolved over the past several decades, so have the needs of our 
force. Older veterans were likely trained in the art of warfare--
artilleryman, infantryman, tanker, engineer. These were the needs in a 
post-World War II military, but they were labor-intensive career fields 
and employment opportunities may have been limited in our post-war 
world.
    The modern military has transitioned to a more technically diverse 
force. Recruits are now able to receive training in robotics, coding, 
aeronautics, and other career fields that did not exist only a 
generation ago. Separating or retiring service members are likely to 
find similar employment in the civilian sector. The economic 
opportunity for better earnings is vastly greater than it was for most 
of their predecessors or for individual service members in less 
technical or more focused career fields.
    A single veteran entitled to TDIU is already at a financial 
disadvantage in comparison to the national average salary. Other 
indirect compensation such as VA health care and the non-taxable status 
of VA compensation contributes to the amount received being comparable 
to the national average salary.
    VA has offered training in new career fields for those eligible due 
to their service-connected disabilities. Since 1985, veterans who 
receive TDIU have been eligible for the Veteran Readiness and 
Employment (VR&E) program. The Veterans Benefits Administration is 
tasked with notifying the administrators of this program about 
individuals who may be eligible to participate. VR&E is supposed to 
provide a comprehensive evaluation for each veteran in receipt of TDIU 
benefits to determine if a new vocation is possible.
    While the VFW has consistently supported the policy for vocational 
rehabilitation, we have no credible data to indicate that this occurs 
consistently and faithfully. We believe it could be greatly beneficial 
to incorporate more components of the VR&E program into the TDIU 
program, but not without major improvements and added resources. We 
have concerns that VR&E may be inadequately staffed or if it even has 
the capability to fulfill this goal. As a member of the Independent 
Budget Veterans Service Organizations, the VFW has testified for years 
about the need for program improvement at VR&E.
    The VFW suggests that VA work with stakeholders to better identify 
eligible veterans for this critical program. We agree that we must 
better collaborate on marketing these benefits for individuals who 
receive TDIU and want to continue to work, but might not know how to 
navigate the system. This would create more opportunities for veterans 
to rehabilitate themselves and eventually not have to rely on TDIU.
    There has been great discussion in previous hearings about VA 
standard forms. Are they necessary or are they not? Yet, there is no 
mention of VR&E benefits in rating decision notices to claimants. This 
benefit should be included automatically if a veteran meets the 
criteria, the same as when a claimable issue is identified during a 
compensation and pension examination but was not included in the 
submission. This could be accomplished by simply adding language to the 
disability notification letter that states, ``You may be entitled to 
additional benefits. If you would like to apply for Veteran Readiness 
and Employment benefits, please complete and submit VA 28-1900'' and 
include the form.
    This approach would allow the veteran to decide on participation in 
the program. Some individuals may simply be unable to work. Some may 
need to work. The VFW has heard from many veterans who desire to 
continue to be a contributing member of the workforce. Many have told 
us that it has kept them alive, and if they had been just sitting at 
home collecting VA disability compensation they may not have lasted 
long. We welcome the opportunity to work with your staffers and our 
partners to help veterans who have employment challenges use the 
benefits they have earned and remain gainfully employed whenever and 
wherever possible.

Conclusion

    For the past 125 years, the VFW has been a visible and vocal 
advocate for veterans, their family members, and survivors. While TDIU 
may be seen by some as too costly, we remind them that this is the true 
cost of war. Young men and women are sent to faraway places without 
complaint because it is their duty. When they come home, they are 
changed. Many have seen things that others would say are best 
forgotten. When they are unable to, when they are no longer whole and 
too broken to support themselves or their families, it is part of the 
collective ``unrepayable'' debt to make sure they have the resources 
needed to survive.
    This concludes my testimony. I am happy to answer any questions you 
may have.

Information Required by Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives

Pursuant to Rule XI2(g)(4) of the House of Representatives, the VFW has 
not received any Federal grants in Fiscal Year 2024, nor has it 
received any Federal grants in the two previous Fiscal Years.

The VFW has not received payments or contracts from any foreign 
governments in the current year or preceding two calendar years.

                                 

                 Prepared Statement of Michael Stoddard

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member Pappas, and distinguished members 
of the Subcommittee for Disability Assistance and Memorial Affairs - 
thank you for inviting Wounded Warrior Project (WWP) to submit this 
written statement for the record of todays hearing on total disability 
rating based on individual unemployability (TDIU). We share your 
commitment to ensuring that Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) 
benefits continue to support the veterans who earned them through their 
service and sacrifice.
    For 20 years WWP has been dedicated to our mission to honor and 
empower wounded warriors. In addition to our advocacy before Congress, 
we offer more than a dozen direct service programs focused on 
connection, independence, and wellness in every spectrum of a warrior's 
life. These programs span mental, physical, and financial domains to 
create a 360-degree model of care and support. This holistic approach 
empowers warriors to create a life worth living and helps them build 
resilience, coping skills, and peer connection. Our reach extends to 
more than 200,000 veterans who are being served in various ways across 
the United States.
    One of the first and most impactful interactions many warriors will 
have with WWP is through our Benefits Services program. Our Benefits 
Services program assists injured veterans, Service members, and their 
families navigate the often-complex process of filing claims for VA 
benefits. For some of these warriors and their families, establishing 
service connection for service-related injuries and illnesses is a key 
step in establishing financial security and connection to VA health 
care after leaving the military. For WWP, ensuring they receive the 
benefits they have earned in a manner that honors their service is 
fundamental to our mission. Based on thousands of programming 
engagements with warriors, our ongoing partnerships with other non-
profit organizations, and data from the largest and most statistically 
relevant survey of post-9/11 veterans in the country, WWP is uniquely 
equipped and informed to advocate for the needs of the community we 
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Understanding TDIU Ratings

    Department of Veterans Affairs regulations define the criteria for 
entitlement for individual unemployability (IU) as a VA disability 
benefit that allows veterans to be compensated at the 100 percent 
disability rate even if their service-connected disabilities do not 
combine to a total rating of 100 percent. The associated criteria for 
establishing IU require that a veteran be found unable to secure and 
follow substantially gainful employment due to their service-connected 
disabilities. The case may be referred to the Executive Director for 
Disability Compensation for consideration.
    Judicial decisions have also shaped the laws that govern TDIU. Ray 
v. Wilkie, 31 Vet. App. 58 (2019), provides guidance on the necessary 
components to establish the inability to secure or follow a 
substantially gainful occupation, which is a determining factor in 
establishing entitlement to TDIU. LaBruzza v. McDonough (No. 21-4467 
(Vet. App. 2024) clarified that marginal employment can still be 
recognized even if a veteran's income exceeds the poverty threshold, 
particularly if the employment is in a protected environment, such as a 
family business or sheltered workshop. These rulings by the Court of 
Appeals for Veterans Claims underscore the nuanced nature of 
determining eligibility for TDIU. Providing clear guidance on what 
constitutes the inability to secure substantially gainful employment 
and recognizing the complexities of marginal employment helps ensure 
that veterans receive fair consideration for their unique 
circumstances.
    As helpful context, TDIU ratings are a meaningful but slowly 
declining part of the overall VA disability compensation landscape. 
VA's Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Submission reported a gradual increase of 
veterans in receipt of TDIU from approximately 350,000 in 2017 to 
377,108 veterans in September 2023. But while IU caseload has 
increased, it is now only 6.8 percent of the total veteran case load, 
which is a decrease from 7.8 percent reported in 2017 \2\. Furthermore, 
data shows that TDIU is a multigenerational issue. In September 2017, 
CBO estimated that of the roughly 380,000 veterans who were in receipt 
of TDIU, less than half (180,000) were over the age of 67 \3\. As such, 
WWP has a vested interest in helping ensure that the TDIU benefit can 
assist the post-9/11 generation we serve.
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Burial and Benefit Programs and Department Administration at VBA-144, 
https://www.va.gov/opa/docs/remediation-required/management/fy2025-va-
budget-volume-iii.pdf (last visited June 7, 2024).
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TDIU Ratings in 2024

    Whether the current TDIU benefit is an accurate representation of 
the average totally impaired veteran's earning capacity in today's 
civil occupational environment is a question as diverse as the veteran 
community itself. WWP's Annual Warrior Survey provides data to help 
understand the different but related issue of whether a TDIU rating can 
provide adequate financial support to a totally impaired veteran. 
Across several data points, the survey reveals that service-connected 
injuries and health problems play a major role in employment among WWP 
warriors. Perhaps more significant is what the data shows about the 
relationship between financial security and quality of life.
    When looking at disability ratings alongside employment status, 
more than half (53.7 percent) of those who are unemployed and looking 
for work have disability ratings of 100 percent. Among WWP warriors who 
are not currently looking for work, 70.3 percent have a disability 
rating of 100 percent. Disability rating was also shown to have an 
impact on how much financial strain a warrior felt in the last 12 
months. Almost two-thirds (64.0 percent) of warriors who reported a 100 
percent disability rating also reported that they did not have enough 
money to make ends meet in the past year. Warriors who reported full-
time employment were still likely to report that they did not have 
enough money to make ends meet in past 12 months (58.1 percent), but 
unemployed warriors were generally feeling more financial strain (80.3 
percent).
    These insights were evaluated further to better understand impact 
on a warrior's quality of life. After controlling for demographic 
factors, WWP warriors who are employed were found more likely to have 
physical or mental health quality of life scores above the median of 
the general U.S. population. Similarly, warriors who report financial 
strain (as determined by not having enough money to make ends meet) 
were found less likely to have physical or mental health quality of 
life scores above the median of the general U.S. population. 
Unsurprisingly, these results collectively show that that financial 
strain negatively impact's warriors' quality of life, employment 
positively impacts warriors' quality of life, and a 100 percent 
disability rating is most often associated with unemployment and does 
not adequately insulate a veteran from feeling financial strain.
    As the reasons for financial strain and unemployability are not 
easily controlled at the individual level, there are compelling reasons 
to invest in supportive services that can address the unique needs of 
each veteran. Long-term, multilevel interventions (individual-, system-
, and community-level) are the solution. Certain insights may be 
helpful in this context:

    Returning to work: WWP has worked with warriors suffering from 
significant disabilities and receiving TDIU. The financial relief that 
TDIU can provide helps warriors focus on taking care of their treatment 
needs. For others, TDIU presents questions about how to manage their 
future. WWP works with warriors who seek counsel about how to pursue 
work (both full time and part time) in consideration of TDIU. One more 
common example is a warrior with mental health challenges who seeks 
gainful employment to help with feelings of isolation and being an 
unproductive member of their community. The warrior here becomes 
concerned about the support in place to help them reintegrate into 
employment and the financial impact it will have on meeting financial 
obligations. Our experience has taught us that veterans would benefit 
from clearer communication about what returning to work - even in a 
limited capacity - means for the TDIU benefit, and what services are 
available to help manage that transition.

    Modernizing schedular disability ratings: TDIU helps veterans reach 
a 100 percent rating when they would otherwise face unemployability 
with a rating of less than 100 percent. Making the case for a TDIU can 
be challenging however, and as noted above, some veterans who have 
successfully advocated for a TDIU will later find the ability and 
desire to return to work after growing accustomed to the financial 
cushion that TDIU provides. One path to providing better outcomes for 
many will be to continue efforts to modernize VA's Schedule for Rating 
Disabilities (VASRD) to ensure that assigned schedular ratings are 
closely reflective of the true impact of service-connected conditions 
on a veterans' ability to earn a living.
    The last comprehensive update of the VASRD was completed in 1945. 
Though numerous amendments have been added since that time, a formal 
Program Management Plan to completely revise and update the VASRD under 
14 body systems was implemented by VA in October 2009. To ensure the 
VASRD remained current, a provision was made to begin an ongoing review 
and update of the PMP beginning in March 2017. Since 2017, VA has been 
focused on the ongoing effort in research and rulemaking to update the 
VASRD to ensure the provisions accurately reflect the average 
impairment in earning capacities resulting from disease or injuries 
related to military service. To be clear, this is distinct from 
congressionally backed efforts to adjust disability compensation to 
reflect increased costs of living. WWP encourages further effort in 
this pursuit with an eye toward bringing veterans closer to 100 percent 
as warranted so that the gap between schedular disability ratings and 
TDIU becomes narrower.

    VA's TDIU modernization efforts: In 2014, the Secretary of Veterans 
Affairs tasked the Advisory Committee on Disability Compensation (ACDC) 
to conduct a study of the issue of TDIU and make recommendations based 
on earnings-and-loss studies. In its most recent 2022 Biennial Report, 
the ACDC indicated that VA completed research in 2017 that would help 
its analysis. The ACDC further indicated that ``it is unable to provide 
the Secretary with appropriate recommendations to modernize the TDIU 
program if the [2017 research] acquired by VA is not shared with the 
[ACDC], nor the public.'' In its response to the ACDC's request for the 
2017 research, VA stated ``internal information on TDIU stemming from 
the [ACDC]'s 2014 recommendation is now dated. As noted in the response 
to Recommendation 2.1, VA is not currently engaged in TDIU 
modernization efforts. As such, the content of this dated report is 
moot.'' WWP encourages more work to be done between all stakeholders to 
make informed decisions about how TDIU may be modified to better meet 
veterans' needs.

TDIU & Relationship with Social Security

    Since VA does not consider a veteran's age when making TDIU 
eligibility determinations, veterans may be granted or continue to 
receive TDIU benefits after they have reached the Social Security full 
retirement age, which is currently 67 years old. As a result, veterans 
may receive both TDIU and Social Security retirement benefits 
concurrently. Of note, TDIU provides additional disability compensation 
for veterans who cannot maintain substantially gainful employment due 
to a service-connected condition, while Social Security benefits 
provide income for Americans who have reached retirement age, the 
amount of which is based on the taxable income they earned during their 
working careers. Clearly, these are two different programs, with 
different eligibility criteria, established for different reasons.
    In the past, proposals have been made to end TDIU payments to 
veterans who have reached Social Security retirement age in an effort 
to bring down Federal spending. In its 2022 publication, Options for 
Reducing the Deficit, 2023 to 2032, the Congressional Budget Office 
(CBO) asserted that the Federal Government could save $47.1 billion 
from 2023 to 2032 by ending TDIU payments to all veteran recipients 
over the age of 67, while $9.2 billion could be saved over the same 
time period by grandfathering current TDIU recipients and ending TDIU 
payments to all future veteran recipients at age 67.\4\
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    Although no explanation for these proposals is given, one may infer 
an assumption by CBO that all veterans will begin collecting Social 
Security benefits at age 67, making TDIU payments unnecessary. WWP 
believes that this assumption fails to consider certain important 
factors. To begin, veterans who suffer disabling injuries that prevent 
them from working at a young age may rely on TDIU as their primary 
income for almost their entire adult lives. Since VA disability 
compensation, including TDIU, is not taxable, they may not qualify for 
Social Security retirement payments at age 67, or the payment they do 
qualify for would only be a small fraction of what an individual 
working through retirement would otherwise receive. In both instances, 
this would create a significant income gap for these veterans in their 
advancing age, seriously threatening their financial wellness. For this 
reason, WWP strongly opposes proposals to end or reduce TDIU payments 
for veterans once they reach Social Security retirement age.

TDIU & Veteran Readiness and Employment

    In addition to our work assisting veterans with disability 
compensation advocacy, WWP is committed to helping veterans seamlessly 
transition back into the civilian workforce. In the context of TDIU, 
WWP helps educate veterans about VA services counsel about how 
employment can impact other VA care and benefits. VA programs provide 
personalized career counseling, vocational training, and job placement 
assistance tailored to each veteran's individual needs. Addressing 
skill gaps and offering support services, such as resume writing, 
interview preparation, and technical training that enhance a veteran's 
employability and facilitates securing a job that provides more than 
marginal income.
    Among VA's most notable occupational training programs is Veteran 
Readiness and Employment (VR&E). This program provides job training, 
employment, resume development, and job-seeking skills coaching for 
veterans whose service-connected disabilities make it hard to prepare 
for, obtain, or maintain employment. A meaningful number of WWP 
warriors - one in five (20.7 percent) - have used, or are using, the 
VR&E program.
    In many instances, WWP will inform warriors about the opportunities 
provided by VR&E before pursuing a TDIU rating. For those who 
successfully pursue a VR&E opportunity, the program can provide 
tremendous returns through five distinct support-and-service tracks 
designed to evaluate and improve a veteran's ability to achieve his or 
her vocational goal; provide services to qualify for suitable 
employment; enable a veteran to achieve maximum independence in daily 
living, and enable a veteran to become employed in a suitable 
occupation and to maintain suitable employment. WWP supports using the 
VR&E program as a pathway to long-term employment for disabled 
veterans. However, in situations where a warrior is unfortunately 
denied VR&E services, a comprehensive VR&E evaluation can still serve a 
crucial purpose. By thoroughly documenting the veteran's limitations 
and employability challenges, a strong foundation is laid for 
establishing entitlement to TDIU benefits.

Remove VR&E Delimiting Date

    There are opportunities to drive more positive outcomes for VR&E. 
First, the program can be made available to all deserving veterans. 
Under current regulations, a veteran is only eligible for VR&E for 12 
years from the date of their military discharge or the date they 
received a compensable disability evaluation.\5\ The regulations do not 
consider whether a veteran's condition deteriorates after the initial 
rating or whether additional service-connected conditions have been 
recognized.
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    \5\ 38 CFR Sec.  21.41.
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    This issue was partially addressed by the enactment of the Johnny 
Isakson and David P. Roe, M.D. Veterans Health Care and Benefits 
Improvement Act of 2020 (P.L. 116-315 Sec.  1025), which removed this 
delimiting date for all veterans who were discharged after January 1, 
2013. To bring parity across all generations of service, WWP asks that 
the 12-year delimiting date be removed for all veterans. VA already has 
the authority to waive the 12-year rule on a case-by-case basis if the 
veteran is determined to have a ``serious employment handicap.'' \6\ 
However, the standards used to make that determination are not clear 
and, without specific guidance to follow, a Vocational Rehabilitation 
Counselor (VRC) is ultimately left to make a subjective decision 
whether to grant the veteran eligibility to the program. Wider and more 
predictable participation should be the goal. Congress can help by 
removing the delimiting date for VR&E eligibility for all veterans, 
regardless of discharge date, to ensure maximum utilization of this 
important employment program.
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    \6\ 38 U.S.C. Sec.  3103(c).

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Ease Eligibility for VR&E for Veterans with TDIU

    Another avenue to improving VR&E is to ease access for veterans who 
have been found unable to secure and follow substantially gainful 
employment due to their service-connected disabilities - those veterans 
with TDIU ratings. As the findings needed to establish TDIU generally 
exceed the eligibility criteria for VR&E, our focus shifts to the 
benefit of making services easier to find and use. By creating a 
smoother system of referral and eligibility for VR&E for veterans with 
TDIU ratings, these individuals can receive the comprehensive support 
they need to transition into the workforce, even if their initial 
evaluation deems them ineligible due to the severity of their 
disabilities.

Create a Step-Down from TDIU

    Wounded Warrior Project recognizes and understands the importance 
of reintegrating veterans on TDIU into the workforce and helping them 
achieve substantial gainful employment and financial independence. As 
previously discussed, Veterans often approach WWP with a desire to 
return to work and concerns about how related decisions can impact 
their service-connected disability ratings, including TDIU. Questions 
about what will happen if work proves to be too difficult to maintain 
or the fallout from struggling to find a steady employer are all valid 
concerns, especially when considering the financial backstop that TDIU 
has provided for these veterans as they recover from significant 
injuries and illnesses.
    One method to ease concerns can be creating a steady glidepath off 
TDIU when substantially gainful employment is assumed. A starting point 
could be to review the overall effectiveness of reducing a veteran's 
overall combined evaluation from TDIU (100 percent) to their original 
overall combined evaluation after securing substantially gainful 
employment for a period of 12 consecutive months. By studying this 
issue closely, we can determine the most appropriate steps to ensure 
veterans on TDIU have the support they need to successfully obtain and 
maintain gainful employment by removing financial barriers that may 
inhibit them from taking the earliest steps back into the workforce.

VR&E Support Track for Federal Employment

    Veterans with a service-connected disability have shown a desire to 
continue their service to their community by seeking to work in the 
public sector. In 2023, 31.4 percent of employed veterans who had a 
service-connected disability worked in Federal, State, or local 
government compared to 20 percent of veterans with no disability and 
12.5 percent of nonveterans. Nineteen percent of employed, service-
connected veterans worked for the Federal Government compared to only 
7.9 percent of veterans with no disability and 2.2 percent of 
nonveterans.\7\ Despite this, many more veterans who seek Federal 
employment are stifled by an overly cumbersome application process. 
Even while utilizing the 5-& 10-point veteran preference and use of the 
Schedule A Hiring Authority, many are denied jobs before they are 
afforded the opportunity to have an in-person interview. VR&E should 
consider creating a new track that assists unemployed and underemployed 
veterans with the resources and direction they need to be placed in 
Federal employment.
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    \7\ News Release, U.S. Bureau of Labor Stat., Employment Situation 
of Veterans Summary (Mar. 2024), available at https://www.bls.gov/
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VR&E Resource Hubs

    Current VR&E staffing initiatives are crucial in supporting 
veterans' needs. Staff training and resources are not uniform around 
the country and as a result, the same opportunities are not available 
to all veterans seeking VR&E support. WWP recommends exploring 
solutions to help ensure that all veterans, regardless of where they 
live and access services, have equal opportunity to leverage VR&E 
resources in their pursuit of long-term employment. The Veterans Health 
Administration (VHA) has found success utilizing Clinical Resource Hubs 
(CRH) to reduce gaps in services. These are Veteran Integrated Service 
Network (VISN)-owned and--governed programs that provide support to 
increase access to VHA clinical services for veterans when local 
facilities have gaps in care or service capabilities. Leveraging the 
power of telehealth, CRHs provide care to Veterans at their local VA 
health care facilities through telehealth technology or in-person 
visits. When paired with telehealth technology CRHs allow Veterans to 
connect with distant primary care, mental health, and specialty care 
teams to improve access to health care. If the CRH model can be adapted 
to VR&E, veterans stand to benefit from increased access to service and 
potentially lower wait times for services that are in demand by not 
uniformly available across the country.

CONCLUSION

    Wounded Warrior Project thanks the House Committees on Veterans' 
Affairs Subcommittee on Disability Assistance and Memorial Affairs, its 
distinguished members, and all who have contributed to a robust 
discussion of TDIU. WWP stands by as your partner in meeting the needs 
of all who served - and all who support them. We are thankful for the 
invitation to submit this statement for record and stand ready to 
assist when needed on these issues and any others that may arise.

                       Statements for the Record

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  Prepared Statement of National Organization of Veterans' Advocates, 
                                  Inc.
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          Prepared Statement of Paralyzed Veterans of America

    Chairman Luttrell, Ranking Member Pappas, and members of the 
subcommittee, Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA), would like to thank 
you for the opportunity to submit our views today on Total Disability 
Ratings based on Individual Unemployability (TDIU). No group of 
veterans understands the full scope of benefits and care provided by 
the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) better than PVA members--
veterans who have incurred a spinal cord injury or disorder (SCI/D).
    Disabled veterans bring important perspectives to the workplace. 
However, veterans' success often depends on whether they have access to 
proper employment services and supports, which are available both 
inside and outside of the VA. In order to understand the role of TDIU 
in supporting disabled veterans, the subcommittee must consider these 
services and supports and whether they are properly meeting veterans' 
needs.
    A PVA National Service Officer (NSO) recently assisted a veteran in 
receiving TDIU. TDIU is a supplemental program for veterans with 
combined VA disability ratings that do not equal 100 percent but which 
impede their ability to maintain meaningful employment. To qualify for 
TDIU, a veteran must have one service-connected rating of 60 percent or 
higher or a combined rating of 70 percent with one condition rated at 
40 percent or more.
    The veteran had been a brick mason most of his adult life, but due 
to his service-connected disabilities, he was unable to continue 
performing manual labor. This veteran had applied for and been accepted 
into the Veteran Readiness and Employment (VR&E) program; however, his 
counselor determined that not only did his disabilities prevent him 
from manual labor, but he also was unable to sit for long periods of 
time.
    Clearly, the veteran was eager to find alternative employment, as 
evidenced by his application for VR&E, but his service-connected 
disabilities were too significant to find employment that met his 
needs, and TDIU was his only option. Service-connected disabilities 
often worsen over time, not always with an increased rating decision. 
When veterans struggle to work due to their disabilities, they put 
themselves and others at risk due to their limitations. After 
confirmation from a medical professional, the veteran was awarded TDIU.
    When discussing disabilities and how they impact a veteran's 
ability to gain employment, we must consider both visible and invisible 
disabilities. Treatment for conditions which may not physically 
manifest, such as mental health issues or some chronic illnesses, may 
require extended periods of stabilization or may be recurring, adding 
complications to a veteran's employment stability. Often, TDIU might be 
the most beneficial or even the only option for veterans struggling 
with periods of health-related hardship and it is critical in helping 
them remain independent and financially secure.

Employment Participation for Veterans with Disabilities

    Some of the most frequently awarded service-connected disabilities, 
per the VA Annual Benefits Report of 2023, are ratings for issues in 
the knees, the back, or the arms. A smaller percentage of new claims 
are persistent migraines and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).\1\ 
Each of these prevalent disabilities could significantly impact a 
veteran's ability to execute the necessary functions of their job.
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    \1\ Veterans Benefits Administration, Annual Benefits Report, 
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    In data from 2023, published by the Department of Labor's Veterans' 
Employment and Training Service (DOL VETS), of an estimated 17.8 
million veterans living in the U.S., about 8.6 million (48 percent) are 
in the labor force. Of that 8.6 million, approximately 2.6 million 
veterans have a service-connected disability rating. Of that 2.6 
million, 991,000 identify as a person with a non-service-connected 
disability. An estimated 500,000 disabled veterans in the labor force 
report having a service-connected disability rating of 30-50 percent, 
and 1.3 million report a rating of 60 percent or greater.\2\
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    \2\ Service-Connected Disabled Veterans and Veterans with a 
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    The current veteran unemployment rate is around 3.2 percent, a 
figure that has remained relatively constant this year. But looking at 
the unemployment rate for disabled veterans, that number jumps to 5.5 
percent and is significantly higher for severely disabled veterans. 
Little data exists analyzing the unemployment rates of veterans with 
SCI/D; however, the National Spinal Cord Injury Statistical Center 
created a prospective longitudinal multicenter study on the 
demographics of people with SCI, and they estimated that in 2015, only 
18 percent of people with an SCI were employed a year out from their 
injury. Over time, people with SCI tend to get more comfortable with 
their injury, and they better understand what they are capable of, and 
at 30 years post-injury, upwards of 30 percent of them are employed.\3\
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    \3\ Traumatic Spinal Cord Injury Facts and Figures at a Glance, 
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    While unemployment has been a valuable tool in tracking the 
employment landscape for veterans it is important to consider that the 
data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) is based off of a 
sample size of 10,000 people whom they follow for a year and an unknown 
portion of that group is identified as veterans or disabled veterans. 
Also, BLS uses several metrics to analyze the data they provide; but 
the people they track are actively engaged with the workforce. Because 
it ignores the number of veterans who are not engaged with the 
workforce, it results in a misrepresentation of the disabled veteran 
employment landscape. A more appropriate representation would be to 
examine workforce participation rates by demographics, such as disabled 
veteran status, to see how many disabled veterans are unemployed verses 
not engaged with the workforce system.

Increased Resources for Veteran Readiness & Employment (VR&E)

    The VR&E Program within the VA plays a critical role in assisting 
disabled veterans in finding appropriate employment that will not 
exacerbate their service-connected disability. Unfortunately, a 
significant amount of misinformation exists around the program, and 
many veterans do not understand that a VR&E counselor, or VRC, is 
trained to find the most suitable job for veterans with disabilities.
    Historically it has been proposed that VR&E might be in a position 
to help veterans applying for TDIU find appropriate employment that 
meets the needs of applicants; however, not everyone applying for TDIU 
will be able to maintain employment due to their disability. For 
veterans with significant employment barriers due to their service-
connected disabilities, a VRC may not find suitable employment, and if 
a medical professional confirms a veteran's inability to work, TDIU 
should be awarded. VR&E applications have increased dramatically (40 
percent) since the passage of the Honoring our PACT Act (P.L. 117-168) 
which fuels a need for more staff to properly manage these cases.
    If VR&E played an increased role in the assessment of TDIU 
eligibility, it would require additional resources and staff. Also, 
Congress should prioritize the elimination of the delimiting date for 
the program. Currently, a VRC can use their professional expertise to 
assess if a veteran who is past the 12-year eligibility date should be 
accepted into the program. A greater number of veterans would be 
eligible for the program if the delimiting date were removed, which 
would likely result in more positive outcomes from an already 
successful program.
    In the Independent Budget's (IB) recommendations for VA's budget 
for fiscal years 2025 and 2026, the IB veterans service organizations 
(VSO) recommended an increase of $46 million to improve the performance 
of the VR&E program. Several recommendations were made that could help 
VR&E be better positioned to assist in the determination of TDIU 
eligibility. Current funding levels address the suggested staffing 
ratio of 1:125 (counselor to clients), but the IB VSOs suggest funding 
the program to a 1:120 ratio to increase timeliness and support for 
disabled veterans. The IB also suggested that VR&E hire an additional 
300 full-time employees, which would increase counselor capacity and 
decrease the administrative burden they face.\4\ If TDIU consideration 
was added to the duties of a VRC, the recommended funding would likely 
need to be increased.
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    In some regional offices, staffing shortages have led to longer 
wait times for veterans. When counselors leave, the remaining staff are 
tasked to manage those cases. That makes it very difficult for a VRC to 
have a manageable bandwidth that allows them to make thoughtful 
decisions or plans for the veterans they serve. Increased funding and 
expansion of staffing for VR&E would allow for appropriate engagement 
for potential TDIU eligible veterans to find meaningful, and 
appropriate employment despite their service-connected disabilities.

Workplace Accommodations Improve Access to Employment Opportunities

    For other employment supports and services, we cannot discount the 
need for increased awareness and understanding of appropriate workplace 
accommodations. Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), State 
and local government and private employers are required under Federal 
law to make reasonable accommodations for employees with disabilities. 
A reasonable accommodation is a change to the application or hiring 
process, to the job, or to the way the job is performed, or the 
environment, for a person with a disability.
    Federal law requires that employers offer reasonable 
accommodations; however, more education is needed to guarantee 
employers understand what is expected of them regarding accommodations. 
Many employers believe that hiring a disabled veteran and making 
accommodations for them will be too costly, but data overwhelmingly 
shows that investing in people with disabilities, veteran or civilian, 
often pays big dividends to the company.
    The Job Accommodation Network, an employment consultant site funded 
by the DOL, published data about the cost of workplace accommodations. 
Nearly half (49 percent) of employers who provided reasonable 
accommodations reported that it cost nothing to provide them, another 
43 percent reported the average cost of accommodations was around $300, 
and only 7 percent reported that accommodations provided incurred an 
ongoing annual cost.\5\ Other benefits seen by implementing workplace 
accommodations were increased worker productivity and retention, 
increased company morale, and decreased costs associated with training 
a new employee.
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    \5\ Costs and Benefits of Accommodation, Low-Cost High Impact, Job 
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    Understanding reasonable accommodations for veterans with 
disabilities and expecting these accommodations to be provided by 
employers across the country is another way to help people with 
disabilities find appropriate employment opportunities.
    One of PVA's NSOs was on TDIU prior to his current employment. 
Mathew joined the military in 2010 at 29 years old. He had previously 
been a quality logistics manager for an oil production company but 
during the recession he was laid off from his position. Living in rural 
Oklahoma meant that employment opportunities that would sustain his 
family were difficult to find, so he joined the military.
    After 5 years of service, Mathew experienced health concerns 
coupled with increased family responsibilities, and he was discharged 
in May 2015. Shortly after separation, in June 2016, Mathew was 
diagnosed with multiple sclerosis (MS). Several of the medical issues 
he experienced toward the end of his service were likely early symptoms 
of MS, and because he was diagnosed within the 7-year presumptive 
window, he was granted 30 percent for his MS. His health continued to 
decline, which led to secondary issues such as chronic migraines and 
vertigo, increasing his disability rating to 90 percent.
    Mathew found work at a grocery store as an assistant manager which 
combined with his disability compensation allowed him to provide for 
his family. One day while taking the trash out he was hit with a strong 
case of vertigo and one of his coworkers found him lying on the ground 
next to the dumpster. His employer suggested Mathew take some time to 
get his health under control.
    With worsening conditions, Mathew quickly realized finding suitable 
employment was going to be a struggle, and he was encouraged by his 
medical provider to apply for TDIU. The benefit was granted which 
allowed him to provide for his family, but he says that was the lowest 
point of his life. Mathew was uncomfortable receiving TDIU; he recalled 
praying for death, which he said would be better than sitting around 
and doing nothing.
    Mathew's MS continued to progress, and eventually, he was diagnosed 
with drop foot, which increased his rating from 90 to 100 percent. 
Because of the increased rating, Mathew received a letter from the VA 
informing him that he was no longer eligible for TDIU but that he would 
receive the same amount of compensation. Like most veterans, Mathew had 
questions about this change, and he headed to his local VA office to 
get clarity.
    Upon arrival at the VA, Mathew stopped at the local PVA office, 
where he already knew most of the staff. After addressing his 
questions, they informed him that PVA was hiring an NSO, and he was 
encouraged to apply. Mathew responded with shock, and he told the staff 
that they did not want to hire a guy like him. He was trying to get his 
MS under control and couldn't guarantee that he could work full-time in 
the office as needed. The PVA staff informed Mathew that they fully 
understood the complications of his MS and that they would still like 
him to apply. They also assured him that appropriate accommodations for 
his disabilities would be made and that they would assist with his 
success in the role.
    Mathew was hired and has been working as a PVA NSO since then, and 
he has become an invaluable resource for veterans living with MS. Many 
veterans likely share a similar experience when it comes to the use of 
TDIU, and quickly learn that it can be the resource which allows a 
veteran to improve their health and well-being without fear of 
financial hardship, and once they are in a stable position they are 
better prepared and equipped to reenter the labor market.

Other Government Programs to Support Disabled Veteran Employment

    Several Federal programs exist beyond the VA to help disabled 
veterans find meaningful employment. DOL VETS has been given the 
responsibility of helping veterans, service members, and military 
spouses to reach their full potential in the workplace. DOL oversees 
the Jobs for Veterans State Grants (JVSG) Program and programs such as 
Section 503 and the Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act 
(VEVRAA), which urge Federal contractors to recruit and higher veterans 
with disabilities. Another office within DOL that addresses employment 
challenges experienced by disabled veterans is the Office of Disability 
Employment Policy (ODEP), whose mission is to ``develop and influence 
policies and practices that increase the number and quality of 
employment opportunities for people with disabilities.'' \6\
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    When discussing DOL, it is critical to highlight the Workforce 
Innovation and Opportunity Act (WIOA), which was signed into law in 
2014. WIOA was intended to ``help people access employment, education, 
training, and support services to succeed in the labor market and to 
match employers with the skilled workers they need to compete.'' \7\ 
Recently, the House passed H.R. 6655, the Stronger Workforce Innovation 
and Opportunity Act, which would reauthorize the funding through 2030 
to help close the national skills gap and provide increased 
accountability in State workforce systems that help workers obtain 
gainful employment.
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    Across the country are American Job Centers (AJC) which are 
intended to provide a suite of assistance to job seekers such as 
training referrals, career counseling, and other employment-related 
supports. Two critical support roles within AJCs are Disabled Veteran's 
Outreach Program (DVOP) Specialists and Local Veterans' Employment 
Representatives (LVER). A DVOP provides individualized employment 
services and LVERs conduct outreach to local businesses and other 
employers to advocate for the hiring of veterans. LVERs are expected to 
educate employers on the practical implementation of appropriate 
workplace accommodations and to ensure the work environment they 
provide is suitable for a person with a disability. In 2002, the Jobs 
for Veterans Act required that priority of service be given to targeted 
veterans in workforce programs funded by DOL. Additionally, for 
employment within the Federal Government, veteran's hiring preference 
is afforded to eligible veterans seeking Federal employment.
    There is a robust network of services and support afforded to 
disabled veterans to help them find meaningful and lasting employment 
that allows them to live an independent life. There are federally 
funded programs, State funded programs, and other resources at the 
local level; however, despite all of these services, not all veterans 
will find suitable employment. At times, service-connected disabilities 
worsen and require a veteran to take time for themselves to focus on 
their health, which is why TDIU is such a vital program for our 
nations' veterans.
    Although AJCs have been tasked with the responsibility of assisting 
disabled veterans find suitable employment, fewer resources have been 
allocated for them to execute their mission. Since 2003, Federal 
dollars for AJCs has decreased 10 percent. If inflation were 
considered, it would be nearly 50 percent. Since 2003, there are 1,300 
fewer job centers across the country, leaving 31 percent of the 
country, more than 25 million Americans, without those employment 
resources. It is also critical to stress that DOL's data on 
participants earnings when they leave the AJC equates to no more than a 
fast-food worker. Despite the various programs and resources intended 
to support disabled veteran's in finding employment, they are still 
struggling to find meaningful and financially secure employment.

Social Security Programming Offers an Example

    The Social Security Administration (SSA) oversees the Federal 
benefits program for retirement benefits and disability income to 
qualified individuals and their dependents. The amount of the benefit 
is awarded based on your average indexed monthly earnings from your 35 
highest-earnings employment years; therefore, it is different for every 
beneficiary. If someone is injured and unable to work, they might be 
eligible for Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI).
    It is critical to acknowledge that SSDI is an insurance program. 
Employees pay into Social Security through a U.S. Federal payroll tax 
known as the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA). FICA helps 
fund Social Security and Medicare programs, together they provide 
benefits for retirees, people with disabilities, dependents, and 
survivors. SSDI is not an entitlement program. It is a payment based of 
an individual's previous earning capacity and their contributions to 
Social Security. It is important to remember that this is a critical 
benefit for veterans with non-service-connected disabilities, because 
it may be their only source of income they can rely on.
    Another beneficial program offered to SSDI recipients is the Ticket 
to Work program, which allows beneficiaries to test their ability to 
work for at least 9 months. During this trial period, a beneficiary can 
continue to receive benefits regardless of their earnings, as long as 
they report the work activity and it meets the rules and standards set 
out by the SSA. Ticket to Work is a free and voluntary program that 
supports career development for SSDI recipients and assists them in 
moving toward financial independence while connecting them with 
services and supports needed to succeed in the workforce, free from the 
fears of economic hardship.
    While TDIU recipients are able to engage in marginal employment, 
they are unable to earn more than the Federal poverty level. In 2024, 
the poverty level, set by the Department of Commerce, is around $15,000 
annually, or $1,250 a month. Many veterans are unaware that they are 
able to attempt to reenter the workforce and fear the loss of their 
benefits. It is critical to remember that veterans receiving TDIU are 
struggling with their physical and/or mental health. The VA should 
improve outreach and awareness of the limits and allowances offered 
within the program.
    The Ticket to Work program is not perfect, however if the VA were 
to offer something similar to this program to veterans attempting to 
reenter the labor market while ensuring their financial security, more 
veterans might be willing to engage with appropriate employment once 
they have improved their overall health and well-being. A program like 
this could offer an off ramp for veterans who think they are ready to 
return to work but have anxieties about their financial stability. This 
could be particularly impactful for veterans in rural areas hit hardest 
by inflation and rising costs.

Increased Oversight of Employment Support Programs

    As previously mentioned, there are numerous federally funded 
programs that aim to get disabled veterans into appropriate employment. 
Congress needs to conduct efficient and targeted oversight to ensure 
that these programs are working to the benefit of the veterans they aim 
to serve. Improving communication and coordination would have a 
positive impact on all veterans looking for suitable employment. This 
is especially true for disabled veterans whose service-connected 
disabilities may prevent them from holding many jobs that would allow 
for financial security.
    If all of the various employment support programs worked together 
to ensure that disabled veterans were able to find gainful and 
fulfilling employment, we would likely see decreased participation in 
the TDIU program. We urge Congress to focus on ensuring that disabled 
veterans have access to the benefits that they need while they focus on 
their health, and the opportunity to access robust services and 
supports to help them return to the workforce if their situation allows 
them to do so.
    Thank you again for allowing PVA to offer its perspective on the 
TDIU program.

  Information Required by Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives

    Pursuant to Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives, the 
following information is provided regarding Federal grants and 
contracts.

                            Fiscal Year 2023

    Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$479,000.

                            Fiscal Year 2022

    Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$ 437,745.

                     Disclosure of Foreign Payments

    Paralyzed Veterans of America is largely supported by donations 
from the general public. However, in some very rare cases we receive 
direct donations from foreign nationals. In addition, we receive 
funding from corporations and foundations which in some cases are U.S. 
subsidiaries of non-U.S. companies.

                  Prepared Statement of James Vollman
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Prepared Statement of Georgetown University Center on Education and the 
                               Workforce

Summary

    The Total Disability based on Individual Unemployability (TDIU) 
veteran compensation program provides a single flat payment to veterans 
experiencing total disability connected with their service. We suggest 
modifying this compensation by connecting the veteran's MOS to the 
civilian equivalent to better reflect what disabled veterans could have 
earned in the civilian labor force.
    The attached earnings matrix details median civilian earnings 
(including the earnings of working veterans) by 3 levels of education 
(high school, middle skills, and a bachelor's degree or higher) within 
22 major occupational groups. This approach documents that in 30 of 66 
possible cases, the current TDIU payment is less than the lost 
potential earnings in the civilian occupation.
    We further extend this analysis to account for career advancement. 
By splitting the workforce into age groups, we demonstrate that in 40 
of the 66 cases, the median earnings of older workers (ages 45-54) 
exceed the current TDIU payment. This finding suggests that earnings 
growth should be considered when contemplating modified compensation. 
We propose a simple adjustment to account for earnings growth, which is 
to increase the TDIU payment annually by 1 percent above the COLA. This 
approach would raise the monthly payment from $3,737 for a 25-year-old 
to $4,840 for a 50-year-old.

Additional considerations

    The approach of linking the MOS to the equivalent civilian 
occupation is limited by the degree to which each MOS can be linked. We 
believe that additional research is needed to determine whether a 
disproportionate share of disabilities occur among veterans whose MOS 
cannot be linked to a civilian occupation. We also suggest that 
civilian legal cases can provide guidance on disability compensation. 
Finally, we hold that the current payment should be treated as a floor 
for compensation. The current monthly base payment amount of $3,737--
equivalent to $56,000 pretax annual earnings--may be reasonable for an 
individual, but may not be adequate to support a veteran's household.

Discussion

    Approach: We suggest adjusting compensation to account for lost 
earnings using the following approach: we assume that the service 
person, if not disabled, would have entered the civilian labor force 
and worked full-time full-year (FTFY) in an occupation aligned to their 
military occupational specialty (MOS). Had the veteran not been 
disabled, they would have garnered similar earnings to those observed 
for all 25-to-64-year-old FTFY workers in that occupation in the 
civilian labor force.\1\ We assume that the MOS is mappable to the 
civilian occupation via efforts such as COOL, which the DOD uses to 
assist reentering veterans.
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    \1\ For veterans who claim TDIU benefits after working in the 
civilian labor force, their prior civilian occupation and earnings can 
be used directly (with an earnings growth adjustment based on their 
age) instead of mapping their MOS.
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    To further explore this approach, we have created a matrix of 
monthly median earnings by 22 major occupations and by 3 education 
levels: high school diploma, middle skills (some college no degree, 
which implicitly includes certificates, and associate's degrees), and 
bachelor's degree or higher. This matrix (Table 1 of the attached) is 
populated by median earnings (66 medians); it is possible to be more 
granular, but we are not certain that more specificity will be 
informative as we believe that roughly 50 percent of the MOS categories 
will not meaningfully map to a civilian equivalent.
    For the purposes of comparison, we adjust the current monthly TDIU 
payment of $3,737 upwards to $4,709 to reflect that it is tax exempt 
while the median monthly earnings for civilian occupations in the 
American Community Survey are subject to taxes. We assume an average 
tax rate of 26 percent to make this adjustment.\2\ (We also suggest 
making further adjustments by local cost of living.)
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    \2\ We assume 15 percent Federal taxes and 11.2 percent State and 
local taxes.
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    We then compare the adjusted disability payment to the gross 
earnings in the matrix. This analysis demonstrates that prevailing 
earnings in 30 of the 66 education/occupation groups exceed the $3,737 
payment (adjusted to $4,709) and could justify a higher compensation. 
These 30 education/occupation groups are distributed as follows: 5 
groups at the high school level, 10 groups at the middle-skills level, 
and 15 groups at the bachelor's degree or higher level.
    Adjusting for earnings growth: As a second step in this analysis, 
we further adjust for lost potential earnings from expected earnings 
growth. In this part of our analysis, we estimate earnings growth by 
education and occupation for comparison with the flat TDIU payments. We 
calculate this estimate by comparing the earnings of workers ages 25-34 
to those of workers ages 45-54 (Table 2 of the attached). This analysis 
demonstrates that while median earnings exceed $4,709 for workers ages 
25-34 in 15 education/occupation groups, that number rises to 40 
education/occupation groups for working veterans ages 45-54.
    The 40 (of 66) combinations for workers ages 45-54 in which 
earnings exceed $4,709 include 9 (of 22) education/occupation groups at 
the high school level, 13 (of 22) education/occupation groups at the 
middle-skills level, and 18 (of 22) education/occupation groups at the 
bachelor's degree or higher level. The 25 education/occupation groups 
in which the monthly median earnings of workers ages 45- 54 exceed 
$4,709 and the median monthly earnings of workers ages 25-34 do not 
exceed $4,709 include 7 education/occupation groups at the high school 
level, 11 education/occupation groups at the middle-skills level, and 7 
education/occupation groups at the bachelor's degree or higher level.
    This earnings growth analysis (Table 3 of the attached) suggests 1 
percent growth in inflation-adjusted earnings per year for most of the 
education/occupation groups, which is based on observed annual growth. 
If we were to adjust the TDIU payment by 1 percent per year, by age 50, 
a veteran disabled at age 25 would see the $3,737 payment grow to 
$4,840.
    Further considerations: We want to be clear that this analysis 
relies on a simple counterfactual based on prevailing wages in specific 
occupations and does not make any complex adjustments for loss of 
livelihood. We suggest that further research is needed to understand 
what precedent exists in civilian injury cases, which is the most 
relevant parallel we can think of to address the question of how to 
adjust for disability. This investigation will be particularly 
important given our expectation that a significant share of 
disabilities occur in non-mappable occupations.
    Last, we want to express concern that this matrix could be used to 
reduce payments for workers in 36 education/occupation groups if the 
career median is used and in 26 groups if the growth adjustment is 
used. CEW takes the position that $3,737 is an absolute minimum monthly 
payment for loss of economic potential and should, at the very least, 
be subject to COLA.
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