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                         LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON

              H.R. 3584; H.R. 3644; H.R. 3649; H.R. 4424;

              H.R. 5530; H.R. 6324; H.R. 6373; H.R. 7347;


             H.R. 3225; H.R. 5794; H.R. 3303; AND H.R. 5247

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                                HEARING

                               before the

                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH

                                 of the

                     COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                        THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 2024

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                           Serial No. 118-57

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                     COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

                     MIKE BOST, Illinois, Chairman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       MARK TAKANO, California, Ranking 
    American Samoa, Vice-Chairwoman      Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               JULIA BROWNLEY, California
NANCY MACE, South Carolina           MIKE LEVIN, California
MATTHEW M. ROSENDALE, SR., Montana   CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, Iowa       FRANK J. MRVAN, Indiana
GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina    SHEILA CHERFILUS-MCCORMICK, 
C. SCOTT FRANKLIN, Florida               Florida
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin         CHRISTOPHER R. DELUZIO, 
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas                   Pennsylvania
JUAN CISCOMANI, Arizona              MORGAN MCGARVEY, Kentucky
ELIJAH CRANE, Arizona                DELIA C. RAMIREZ, Illinois
KEITH SELF, Texas                    GREG LANDSMAN, Ohio
JENNIFER A. KIGGANS, Virginia        NIKKI BUDZINSKI, Illinois

                       Jon Clark, Staff Director
                  Matt Reel, Democratic Staff Director

                         SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH

               MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, Iowa, Chairwoman

AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN,       JULIA BROWNLEY, California, 
    American Samoa                       Ranking Member
JACK BERGMAN, Michigan               MIKE LEVIN, California
GREGORY F. MURPHY, North Carolina    CHRISTOPHER R. DELUZIO, 
DERRICK VAN ORDEN, Wisconsin             Pennsylvania
MORGAN LUTTRELL, Texas               GREG LANDSMAN, Ohio
JENNIFER A. KIGGANS, Virginia        NIKKI BUDZINSKI, Illinois

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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Mariannette Miller-Meeks, Chairwoman...............     1
The Honorable Julia Brownley, Ranking Member.....................     4

                         SPEAKING FROM THE DAIS

The Honorable Jack Bergman, U.S. House of Representatives, (MI-1)     2
The Honorable Chris Deluzio, U.S. House of Representatives, (PA-
  17)............................................................     5
The Honorable Mike Bost, U.S. House of Representatives, (IL-12)..     6
The Honorable Debbie Dingell, U.S. House of Representatives, (MI-
  6).............................................................     7
The Honorable Derrick Van Orden, U.S. House of Representatives, 
  (WI-3).........................................................     8
The Honorable Lauren Underwood, U.S. House of Representatives, 
  (IL-14)........................................................     9
The Honorable Greg Murphy, U.S. House of Representatives, (NC-3).    10
The Honorable Nick LaLota, U.S. House of Representatives, (NY-1).    11

                               WITNESSES
                                Panel 1

Dr. Ajit Pai, Executive Director, Office of Rehabilitation and 
  Prosthetic Services, Veterans Health Administration, U.S. 
  Department of Veterans Affairs.................................    12

        Accompanied by:

    Dr. Michael Brennan, Executive Director, Office of 
        Construction and Facilities Management, U.S. Department 
        of Veterans Affairs

    Dr. Wendy Tenhula, Deputy Chief Research and Development 
        Officer, Office of Research and Development, Veterans 
        Health Administration, U.S. Department of Veterans 
        Affairs

    Mr. David Perry, Chief Officer, Workforce Management and 
        Consulting, Veterans Health Administration, U.S. 
        Department of Veterans Affairs

                                Panel 2

Mr. Jon Retzer, Assistant National Legislative Director, Disabled 
  American Veterans..............................................    18

Mr. Roscoe Butler, Senior Health Policy Advisor, Paralyzed 
  Veterans of America............................................    19

Ms. Brittany Elliot, Veteran (USMC), Advocate....................    21

Ms. Melissa Bryant, Chair, Board of Directors, Minority Veterans 
  of America.....................................................    23

                                APPENDIX
                    Prepared Statements Of Witnesses

Dr. Ajit Pai Prepared Statement..................................    33
Mr. Jon Retzer Prepared Statement................................    53
Mr. Roscoe Butler Prepared Statement.............................    58

                          APPENDIX--continued

Ms. Brittany Elliot Prepared Statement...........................    61
Ms. Melissa Bryant Prepared Statement............................    65

                       Statements For The Record

TreatNOW Prepared Statement......................................    77
The Honorable Matt Cartwright, U.S. House of Representatives, 
  (PA-8) Prepared Statement......................................    79
Wounded Warrior Project Prepared Statement.......................    80
Association of Air Medical Services Prepared Statement...........    86
Jewish War Veterans of the USA Prepared Statement................    89
Military-Veterans Advocacy Prepared Statement....................    93
American Ambulance Association, International Association of Fire 
  Chiefs and National Association of Emergency Medical 
  Technicians Prepared Statement.................................    97


                         LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON



              H.R. 3584; H.R. 3644; H.R. 3649; H.R. 4424;



              H.R. 5530; H.R. 6324; H.R. 6373; H.R. 7347;



             H.R. 3225; H.R. 5794; H.R. 3303; AND H.R. 5247

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                        THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 2024

                    Subcommittee on Health,
                    Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
                             U.S. House of Representatives,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:49 p.m., in 
room 360, Cannon House Office Building, Hon. Mariannette 
Miller-Meek [chairwoman of the subcommittee] presiding.
    Present: Representatives Miller-Meeks, Radewagen, 
Rosendale, Murphy, LaLota, Brownley, and Deluzio.
    Also present: Representative Dingell, and Underwood.

   OPENING STATEMENT OF MARIANNETTE MILLER-MEEKS, CHAIRWOMAN

    Ms. Miller-Meeks. The legislative hearing of the 
Subcommittee on Health will now come to order. I want to 
welcome all members of the subcommittee and our witnesses. It 
is a pleasure and a privilege to collaborate once more on 
crucial matters affecting our veterans.
    Today we will be discussing 12 bills, each aimed at 
improving various aspects and critical needs of veterans' whole 
health care. These bills range from increasing the availability 
of assistive mobility devices for veterans living with 
paralysis to guaranteeing appropriate compensation for 
providers of essential transportation services and other 
pressing concerns.
    I would like to discuss my bill, H.R. 3584, the Veterans 
Cannabis Analysis Research and Effectiveness, or CARE Act.
    For years we have heard anecdotal firsthand accounts from 
veterans who have experienced decreased Post-traumatic Stress 
Disorder (PTSD) symptoms and pain through medical cannabis.
    My bill would create a research framework for exploring the 
potential health benefits of cannabis for treating PTSD and 
chronic pain. Through rigorous research the Veterans Health 
Administration (VHA) can explore a new evidence-based treatment 
option that may have the potential to enhance the lives of 
those who have served our Nation and to treat the invisible 
wounds of war.
    My bill also has a commitment to preserving data for future 
research which underscores a long-term vision for evidence-
based treatment options. It is important not to let old stigmas 
interfere with the healthcare treatment veterans are receiving 
if a therapy is proven to be safe, effective, and improve 
veterans' quality of life. I am proud to introduce this bill so 
that we can gain insight into new therapies that could help 
those who need it most.
    Today we will also discuss Representative Van Orden's bill 
on alternative therapies. H.R. 7347 would direct the Department 
of Veterans Affairs (VA) secretary to report to Congress on 
whether VA will include emerging breakthrough therapy drugs in 
the VA's list of pharmaceuticals after U.S. Food and Drug 
Administration (FDA) approval.
    I look forward to a productive discussion today on my 
legislation, as well as the rest of the bills on today's 
agenda, and the positive impact they promise.
    Thank you to our witnesses and those organizations that 
submitted statements for the record for their thoughtful 
feedback on my bill and the other bills we will discuss today.
    Ensuring the highest standard of care for our veterans is 
more than our responsibility. It is a profound honor. I look 
forward to our discussion on the merits and challenges of all 
the legislation before us today and the impact they could have 
on VA operations and, most importantly, on veterans' lives. 
Thank you again for all being here.
    Because of the interference with votes for our hearing 
today, we will come back to Ranking Member Brownley for her 
opening remarks. We have a full agenda today so I will be 
holding everyone to 3 minutes per bill to get through it in a 
timely manner.
    This morning we are joined by several colleagues who are 
going to testify about their bills. We are extremely grateful 
for their work in serving our Nation's veterans.
    With that, I ask unanimous consent that all non-committee 
members be waived on to speak on their bills from the dais. 
Hearing no objection, we will move forward.
    I now recognize Representative Bergman. You are now 
recognized for 3 minutes.

                   STATEMENT OF JACK BERGMAN

    Mr. Bergman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to start 
by briefly mentioning two bills that the committee will discuss 
today, Congresswoman Dingell's VA Peer Review Neutrality Act, 
which I am proud to be the Republican colleague for and 
Congressman Van Orden's bill to require VA to make a formulary 
determination for psychedelic therapies within 6 months of FDA 
approval. Both are important pieces of legislation. I look 
forward to hearing their sponsors' testimonies.
    I would also like to take a few seconds to show my 
appreciation for one of our witnesses in particular, Ms. 
Brittany Elliot, as well as her full time caregiver and father, 
Morgan Elliot. I have had the opportunity to spend a wonderful 
amount of time with both of them, hear their story, and gain a 
sense of the difficulty that currently exists for our Spinal 
Cord Injury or Disorder (SCI/D) veterans. We will talk about 
that acronym later.
    Brittany is strong, determined, and undaunted by the 
bureaucracy she has been forced to deal with, and as a fellow 
Marine I would expect nothing less. Welcome to both and 
Brittany I look forward to hearing your testimony.
    The Veterans' Spinal Trauma Access to New Devices or 
Veterans STAND Act, takes commensurate steps to improve care 
for veterans with spinal cord injuries or disorders and ensure 
they are assessed for and provided with assistive devices that 
they are already clinically eligible to receive.
    First, the bill would codify the requirement that VHA 
provides an annual spinal health assessment for SCI/D veterans 
and includes specific requirements for proactive outreach to 
those who are eligible.
    Second, the bill takes steps to ensure veterans are 
informed of and assessed for assistive technology that can help 
their independence and mobility. As many veterans will tell 
you, despite both of these measures already existing on paper 
at VA, the actual experience of SCI/D veterans has varied 
widely and in many cases VA has outright failed to meet their 
needs. This is why the bill also takes steps to improve 
transparency and accountability at VA, including by requiring 
the secretary to submit reports to Congress on the extent to 
which veterans are actually being provided with these life-
changing technologies.
    Finally, the bill would direct VHA to consult with 
veterans' advocates, medical specialists and device experts and 
manufacturers when developing clinical procedure guidelines for 
assistive devices, something that will only become more 
important as the rate of technological advancement continues to 
increase exponentially and new devices enter the marketplace. 
The fact is that we are systematically failing those veterans 
paralyzed from service by denying them simple and rapid access 
to essential assistive technology. Veterans like Brittany who 
have received these devices have often only been able to do so 
through extensive self-advocacy, months of delays, and hundreds 
of miles of travel to find a VA doctor and facility willing to 
meet their needs.
    I am grateful to Chairman Bost, Subcommittee Ranking Member 
Brownley and Congresswoman Dingell for helping me introduce 
this bipartisan bill, as well as the other committee members 
who have joined as co-sponsors. I have also heard that Senators 
Moran and Tester, the ranking member and chairman of the Senate 
VA Committee, have introduced a Senate companion bill today. I 
wholeheartedly welcome any and all constructive input to make 
sure we advance the best possible bill to improve the lives of 
veterans with spinal cord injuries and disorders.
    However, as I hope you learn from Ms. Elliot's testimony, 
our current way of doing things is not working for many 
veterans with spinal cord injuries. That being is unacceptable 
and Congress must act.
    I yield back.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you.
    The chair now recognizes Ranking Member Brownley for her 
opening statement.

      OPENING STATEMENT OF JULIA BROWNLEY, RANKING MEMBER

    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for 
being patient with me being slightly late. Thank you very much 
for convening today's hearing. I look forward to our discussion 
of the 12 bills on today's agenda. I know many of the sponsors 
of legislation on today's agenda are planning to be here to 
present their bills, and I am eager to hear from our witnesses 
so I will aim to keep these remarks brief and highlight just a 
few of the bills.
    I am pleased we are considering H.R. 6373, the Veterans' 
Spinal Trauma Access to New Devices, or Veterans' STAND Act. I 
am proud to be co-leading this bill with Representative 
Bergman, Bost and Dingell. H.R. 6373 will codify VA's existing 
policy of providing annual preventive health assessments for 
veterans with spinal cord injuries or diseases. These exams are 
vitally important because they can help identify and treat 
health issues before they become too serious.
    Second, our legislation aims to increase veterans' access 
to state-of-the-art assistive technology known as personal 
exoskeletons. Ms. Elliot, a veteran who is testifying on our 
second panel, has a great deal to share about her personal 
experience with this technology and her attempts to access it 
through the VA. We look forward to hearing from her.
    Advancements in technology can provide revolutionary 
options to help paralyzed veterans lead their lives to their 
fullest potential, and the Veterans' STAND Act will help ensure 
VA remains at the forefront of innovation and medical 
treatment,
    I understand that VA has some concerns about the bill, but 
I hope the department will work with us to make those 
improvements.
    I am also pleased that we are considering Representative 
Underwood's bill, H.R. 3303, the Maternal Health for Veterans 
Act. This legislation builds upon the Protecting Moms Who 
Served Act also sponsored by Representative Underwood which was 
enacted in 2021.
    In addition to codifying VA's maternity care coordination 
(MCC) program, the Protecting Moms Who Served Act mandated a 
Government Accountability Office (GAO) report on maternal 
health outcomes among veterans. That report was issued in 
January of this year, and I ask unanimous consent to enter this 
report into the hearing record.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. No objection.
    Ms. Brownley. GAO analyzed VA data on deaths and severe 
maternal morbidity among pregnant and postpartum veterans from 
fiscal years 2011 through 2020, the most recently available 
data. The findings are concerning. Among other things GAO found 
that the severe maternal morbidity rate among veterans 
increased between 2011 and 2020 and this rate was highest among 
black or African American veterans.
    H.R. 3303, the Maternal Health for Veterans Act, will 
require VA to report annually on activities related to 
maternity care coordination. These reports must include data on 
veterans' maternal health outcomes along with recommendations 
for improving them.
    Further, this bill authorizes funding through Fiscal Year 
2028 for VA's maternity care coordination program. I am pleased 
that Ms. Melissa Bryant of Minority Veterans of America (MVA) 
is here today to testify on this legislation. As you will hear 
from her, there have been many positive outcomes of VA's 
maternity care coordination program since it was established in 
2012, but there are still many areas for improvement.
    Just yesterday I participated in a roundtable with Ms. 
Bryant and other women veterans where we discussed VA's 
implementation of the Deborah Sampson Act, which was signed 
into law just over 3 years ago. While the Deborah Sampson Act 
made significant improvements in the delivery of benefits and 
health care for women veterans, it is clear there is more work 
to do and we need to continue advancing additional legislation 
like Ms. Underwood's bill.
    I understand Representative Deluzio and Ms. Dingell will 
also be here, I see Ms. Dingell right here, in support of their 
bills, H.R. 3225, the Build for Veterans Act and H.R. 5794, the 
VA Peer Review Neutrality Act. I will defer to both of them to 
provide more detailed explanations of their bill, but I want to 
express my support for each.
    I will yield there, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you very much, Ranking Member 
Brownley.
    We are going to go back to presentation. I now recognize 
Representative Deluzio for 3 minutes.

                   STATEMENT OF CHRIS DELUZIO

    Mr. Deluzio. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you Ranking 
Member Brownley for the kind words about my bill, the Build, 
Utilize, Invest, Learn, And Deliver for Veterans Act, the BUILD 
for Veterans Act, a common sense piece of legislation to 
modernize and streamline the delivery of VA medical facilities 
and other infrastructure projects, strengthen the workforce, 
save public money by expediting the disposal or repurposing of 
unused or vacant buildings that the VA owns.
    I think it is badly needed. We all know across the country 
in our districts the VA opens lots of new or remodeled 
facilities every year but the need for more modern facilities 
is much greater than its current operational tempo, budget, or 
frankly, infrastructure workforce. Those VA facilities on 
average are around 60 years old and the VA has around 180 
billion in backlogged infrastructure projects, a backlog that 
is growing faster than VA can address them.
    This bill continues to build off historic infrastructure 
investments of Ranking Member Takano's The Sergeant First Class 
Heath Robinson Honoring our Promise to Address Comprehensive 
Toxics (PACT) Act, and I am proud to say there is a companion 
effort in the Senate led by Chairman Tester. Specifically, the 
BUILD for Veterans Act works to tackle workforce issues, 
establishing a staffing model to ensure a base level of capital 
asset staffing through new recruitment and retention incentives 
on infrastructure streamlining.
    The bill requires VA to implement a more concrete schedule 
to eliminate repurposed, unused, or vacant buildings to ensure 
there is an adequate office and staff, or offices, excuse me, 
and staff to efficiently manage capital assets at all levels by 
implementing systems review of the climate resilience of all 
capital assets.
    There is also an oversight section in the bill requiring VA 
to provide an annual budget for Congress to monitor the plan's 
performance data over a 10-year period, requiring a submission 
of a strategic plan that improves VA's delivery and management 
of capital assets and requiring an examination and reporting of 
VA-related capital asset improvement from the VA Inspector 
General.
    The bill is supported by many Veterans Service 
Organizations (VSO), including Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), 
Disabled American Veterans (DAV), Paralyzed Veterans of America 
(PVA), the Legion, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America 
(IAVA). I think this is a good bill, one that I hope my 
colleagues will support. The BUILD for Veterans Act strengthens 
VA's capacity to deliver veterans the state-of-the-art care 
that they all have earned and saves public money in the 
process.
    Madam Chair, I yield back. Thank you.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you Representative Deluzio.
    I now recognize Representative Bost, Chairman Bost, for 3 
minutes.

                     STATEMENT OF MIKE BOST

    Mr. Bost. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am glad to be here 
today to speak on my bills, H.R. 5530, and VA Energy 
Transportation Access Act and H.R. 6324, the Fiscal Year 2024 
Veterans Affairs Majority Medical Facility Authorization Act.
    H.R. 5530, the VA Emergency Transportation Access Act, 
would help veterans keep access to emergency transportation 
services. I know firsthand that quick access to emergency 
transportation services can be the difference between life and 
death in rural and remote areas of this United States.
    My commonsense bill would require VA to work with ground 
and air ambulance providers to develop a plan that protects and 
expands rural veterans' access to emergency service first.
    Right now, VA's proposed rule would slash reimbursement for 
good companies that provide vitally important ground and air 
emergency transportation services. VA plans--reverts to the 
outdated medical reimbursement schedule that is based on data 
from 1998 and 2002.
    My bill would ensure that veterans, especially rural 
veterans, have access to transportation for timely medical 
care. It would guarantee that transportation companies are 
reimbursed fairly for their services.
    My bill also would create a simple and sensible process for 
VA to make needed changes in reimbursements. This bill is about 
protecting our veterans so that they have access to care they 
need when they need it.
    Next, I would like to speak about bill, H.R. 6324, the 
Fiscal Year 2024 Veterans Affairs Major Medical Facilities 
Authorization Act. This bill would authorize over $4.6 billion 
in important major medical facilities projects that would 
modernize VA medical facilities across the country, building on 
the personal commitment to bring VA into the--my personal 
commitment to bring VA into the 21st century.
    This legislation would authorize a number of key 
construction projects across country that we know VA medical 
facilities need. These projects range from the construction of 
new healthcare centers to the expansion of mental health 
facilities. My bill would allow VA to replace outdated 
community living centers and update existing facilities with 
the latest earthquake resistant technology.
    By continuing to modernize VA facilities we will ensure 
that the veterans have access to the high quality modern 
medical care that they deserve. It is vitally important that we 
address critical construction projects in a timely and fiscally 
responsible manner. I look forward to ensuring my legislation 
does exactly that.
    Madam Chairman, I yield back.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Mr. Bost. I was ready, 
willing, and able to yield you another 3 minutes but you spoke 
on both H.R. 5530 and H.R. 6324. Thank you.
    I now recognize Representative Dingell for 3 minutes.

                  STATEMENT OF DEBBIE DINGELL

    Ms. Dingell. Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to start by 
thanking you and the ranking member for including H.R. 5794, 
the VA Peer Review Neutrality Act, as part of today's hearing. 
I am leading this bill alongside my good friend and colleague 
from Michigan, Representative Jack Bergman, and I appreciate 
his support and partnership on this very important issue.
    I care deeply, like all of you do, about our Nation's 
veterans so when they come to me with problems I listen. When I 
started hearing concerns from veterans and employees at the 
John D. Dingell VA Medical Center in Detroit, I knew these 
problems were serious and immediately started sounding the 
alarm.
    I personally went to the Veterans Affairs secretary and I 
want to thank him here for listening. These efforts led to a 
review by the VA Inspector General into allegations of 
misconduct at the Detroit VA Medical Center. Unfortunately, the 
review uncovered findings of misconduct in a pattern of 
substandard surgical care, which included the manipulation of 
external peer reviews.
    The top three administrative leaders at the facility have 
since been removed, and under new leadership the VA has made 
progress in restoring trust and accountability. Still, it is 
critical we never allow this kind of misconduct to happen again 
at any VA hospital across the country, and a Member of Congress 
should not have to go directly to the VA secretary.
    With the VA Peer Neutrality Act we can take concrete steps 
to strengthen accountability and neutrality within the VA's 
peer review process. This bill will codify a VA policy that 
ensures members of a VA facilities peer review committee cannot 
participate in peer reviews of cases they were involved in or 
cases that present a conflict of interest.
    Our veterans deserve the best care and this legislation 
will better strengthen accountability and oversight within the 
VA medical facilities that serve them. I look forward to 
continuing to work with this subcommittee on this very 
important legislation.
    I yield back, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Representative Dingell.
    The chair now recognizes Representative Van Orden for 3 
minutes.

                 STATEMENT OF DERRICK VAN ORDEN

    Mr. Van Orden. Thank you, Madam Chair. I am a Navy veteran 
of 26 years and 22 of those were spent as a SEAL. My entire 
adult life has been spent operating next to some of the 
greatest men and women in the world, actually. Although most of 
us have survived combat, many of us come back home and we are 
unable to deal with the issues that presented us in that very 
difficult environment.
    Today, with the passing of a senior chief, to date I have 
had 21 of my friends commit suicide, and we just had another 
Navy SEAL commit suicide 2 weeks ago. These things do not make 
the press, you know, but we have a very tight-knit group of 
folks. His name will never be made public I do not think.
    I did not know him but, you know, who did? His family and 
his teammates, and we do not forget our brothers and sisters 
who, unfortunately, make a permanent decision over a temporary 
problem.
    We have given the Veterans Administration $16.5 billion 
last year and $150 billion since 9/11 for veterans suicide and 
the suicide rate continues to increase. I mean, Dr. Scavella 
here, who has an incredibly impressive academic record and an 
absolutely terrible practical record of preventing veterans 
from committing suicide, so we have to try something different. 
We simply do.
    We have got these incredibly brilliant scientists and 
doctors and all this stuff, and what they are doing is not 
working. We know that because more veterans are committing 
suicide now than they have in the past.
    I have introduced H.R. 7347 and that is to make sure that 
we are able to mandate the Veterans Administration to report 
back to us within 180 days on its plans to incorporate 
psychedelics into treatments upon FDA approval. I will tell you 
what, honestly, I am not 100 percent sold on this. I am not.
    Do you know what? It works for some of our veterans. It 
does. Some of our veterans on this committee actually have done 
psychedelic treatment to prevent or to help them deal with PTS, 
and it worked for them. We are going to be an all-of-the-above 
if it is going to help a single veteran even as a bridging 
mechanism from preventing themselves from committing suicide.
    I am 100 percent sold on faith-based programs because they 
are proven to work also. I am asking everybody, Ms. Brownley 
and Madam Chair, I am asking all to vote for this, 
understanding that it is not a do-all fix-all for everybody but 
it is going to help at least save one veteran's life so that I 
do not have to go to their funeral and get on my knees one more 
time and speak to these fatherless children. Look at their 
widow and try to explain to him why we did not do everything we 
possibly can to prevent their husband from committing suicide.
    I am imploring my colleagues to please vote this. Get it 
through the subcommittee to the full Committee to the House and 
let us actually do what we say we are here to do and that is to 
prevent veteran suicide.
    With that, I yield back, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you Representative Van Orden.
    The chair now recognizes Representative Underwood for 3 
minutes.

                 STATEMENT OF LAUREN UNDERWOOD

    Ms. Underwood. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for 
inviting me to speak today and for considering my legislation, 
the Maternal Health for Veterans Act. While I currently sit on 
the House Appropriations Committee, I previously had the honor 
of serving on House Veterans Affairs in the 116th and 117th 
Congress, and I hope to be back next Congress, but serving 
veterans is one of the greatest privileges we have as Members 
of Congress. I am honored to serve veterans both on and off 
this committee.
    The United States is in the middle of a maternal health 
crisis that is getting worse not better and veteran moms are 
dying. America has the highest pregnancy-related mortality 
ratio of any high income country and significant disparities in 
outcomes. To solve this crisis I introduced the ``Momnibus,'' a 
set of 13 bills including the Maternal Health for Veterans Act 
that comprehensively address our Nation's maternal mortality 
crisis.
    Last Congress we had the first bill from the Momnibus 
enacted, the Protecting Moms Who Served Act which invests in 
world class care, maternity care for our veterans. I was so 
excited to go to the White House and see President Biden sign 
the Protecting Moms Who Served Act into law, but even then I 
knew that the Protecting Moms Who Served Act was only the 
beginning.
    Now earlier this year, the GAO released the report we 
commissioned in the Protecting Moms Who Served Act and their 
findings were devastating, but not surprising. In less than 10 
years the number of veterans suffering severe pregnancy 
complications almost doubled. Pregnant veterans are more likely 
to have physical and mental health conditions that may lead to 
adverse maternal outcomes or complications. For veterans, just 
like the general population, mental health conditions increase 
the risk of severe maternal death complications--I am sorry--
severe maternal health complications including the risk of 
maternal death by suicide.
    We have a lot more work to do to live up to the promises we 
made to our veteran families. They served our country and our 
job is to serve them, and that is why I introduced the Maternal 
Health for Veterans Act. This legislation builds on our success 
advocating for quality maternal health care for our veterans.
    It authorizes $15 million per year for the next 5 years for 
VA's maternity care programs, and it requires recommendations 
and annual public reporting on maternal health from the VA. Our 
veterans are not just our heroes. As moms they are also the 
heroes of their families.
    During the vulnerable pregnancy and postpartum periods they 
rely on us to ensure that they have access to high quality 
maternity care. We owe them the best. I urge this committee to 
pass the Maternal Health for Veterans Act without delay and 
send it to the House floor this spring. Thank you so much for 
your time and consideration.
    I yield back.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Representative Underwood.
    The chair now recognizes Dr. Murphy for 3 minutes.

                    STATEMENT OF GREG MURPHY

    Mr. Murphy. Thank you, Madam Chair, and I hope everybody 
was listening with what Representative Van Orden just said. It 
was quiet words but extremely powerful.
    I have 3 Marine bases in my district of 21,000 military 
retirees, 50,000 active military family members. I am honored 
today and fully believe in the bill I am introducing today.
    I have supported it since I came to Congress in 2019. I 
have worked on this same issue in the North Carolina State 
House with really good results.
    I have been working for years, despite being a urologist, 
to help find treatments and procedures, et cetera, to help PTSD 
and Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). This is an absolute criminal 
act by this country that we have an increasing number of 
suicides despite statistical manipulation.
    The Committee knows better than anybody else that a cure 
for PTSD and TBI is elusive. We must examine every treatment 
option that has the potential to help our suffering veterans. 
H.R. 3649, the Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Act, 
requires the Department of VA to implement a 5-year pilot 
program to furnish under the Veterans Community Care Program, 
hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) to veterans with traumatic 
brain injuries, TBI, or traumatic stress disorder, PTSD.
    I strongly recommend that we examine this issue. I am happy 
to say that in the North Carolina House now the legislature has 
funded many veterans to undergo this treatment, and I have seen 
personally, personally, veterans who have been aided with this 
when literally they have hit the wall and nothing else has been 
able available to them.
    I am actually supportive of the hallucenogenics that 
Representative Van Orden was speaking. This must be an all 
hands on deck approach. Just a few weeks ago I was at a large 
gala for this particular issue with Secretary Mike Pompeo. He 
is onboard with this.
    A 2021 report by the North Carolina Community Foundation of 
North Carolina East said to the legislature that there is ``an 
impressive number of successes through the HBOT program and 
treatments in North Carolina veterans.''
    My bill is bipartisan. Don Davis, Marilyn Strickland, 
Representatives Kiggans, Pappas, Duncan, Timmins, Bill, 
Huizenga, Moreland are all co-sponsors, as well are multiple 
other VSOs. My intent is to offer another treatment.
    Reading the response to the VA in the opposition, I am very 
disappointed. It is an absolutely bureaucratic response. All 
hands on deck. All hands on deck to stop this absolute scourge 
which is happening with our veterans. I think the debate on 
risk is absolutely overstated. I have used this as a surgeon 
for close to 30 years and, yes, there are risks with any 
procedures . There are risks with an IV stick. When it has come 
to the end of the road, at the end of the road when our 
veterans have no other option that they choose suicide, all 
hands on deck. Whatever treatment we can as a Veterans 
Administration institution is owed to our veterans. I ask for 
your support.
    Thank you. I yield back.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Dr. Murphy.
    The chair now recognizes Representative LaLota for 3 
minutes.

                    STATEMENT OF NICK LALOTA

    Mr. LaLota. Thank you, Chairman Miller-Meeks, Ranking 
Member Brownley and members of the Veterans Health Committee 
for hosting this important hearing today and for allowing me to 
waive on.
    Vietnam veterans have a much greater chance of contracting, 
suffering from, and dying from the liver fluke parasite and yet 
the VA does not cover their health-related coverage. The 
correlation between the liver fluke parasite and service in 
Vietnam is obvious.
    In fact, a first of its kind study was conducted back in 
2018 at the Northport VA Medical Center using a 50-veteran 
sample size. The initial results of that study highlighted 
three basic things, the substantial need for greater study of 
the issue, the development of standardized treatment options, 
and broader accessibility of care for veterans at VA facilities 
across the country.
    The VA conducted another study and after years of delays 
that study recently found there was a 30 percent greater risk 
of mortality from this bile duct cancer from Marines who served 
in the Vietnam War as compared to Marines who served elsewhere, 
30 percent. However, the VA still says that the study is not 
enough.
    It is clear to me, a Navy veteran and countless Vietnam 
veterans who have been suffering from and dying from the liver 
fluke parasite, that there should unequivocally be a 
designation of service connection for these veterans. That is 
why I am here today, Madam Chairwoman, to speak in favor of my 
legislation, H.R. 4224, the Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act, which 
would require the VA in conjunction with the Centers for 
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to conduct a study to 
determine the prevalence of liver fluke amongst the Vietnam 
veteran population.
    Madam Chairman, our Vietnam veterans are dying every day 
and we do not have the luxury of time. Too much time has passed 
already and we went through a similar terrible situation with 
our Blue Water Navy veterans and Agent Orange. Let us not make 
the same mistake twice.
    I urge all of my colleagues to support this legislation, 
and I want to thank the chairwoman and ranking member again for 
allowing me to testify in front of this committee, and I look 
forward to working with you and this entire committee to see 
this problem solved. Thank you.
    I yield back.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you. We also have two additional 
bills that we may hear about today, H.R. 3644, Addressing Care 
Timelines (ACT) for Veterans Act by Representative Latta and 
H.R. 5247, Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrist Act of 
2023 by Representative Cartwright. They have both submitted 
statements for the record.
    As is our practice we will forgo a round of questioning for 
the members. I now invite our first panel to the table.
    Thank you. Joining us today from the Department of Veterans 
Affairs is Dr. Ajit Pai, the Executive Director of the Office 
of Rehabilitation and Prosthetic Services at the Veterans 
Health Administration. Accompanying Dr. Pai today are Dr. 
Michael Brennan, Executive Director at the Office of 
Construction and Facilities Management, Veterans Affairs; Dr. 
Wendy Tenhula, Deputy Chief Research and Development Officer, 
Office of Research and Development, Veterans Health 
Administration; and Mr. David Perry, Chief Officer of Workforce 
Management and Consulting, Veterans Health Administration.
    Dr. Pai, you are now recognized for 5 minutes to present 
the Department's testimony.

                     STATEMENT OF AJIT PAI

    Dr. Pai. Good afternoon, Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking 
Member Brownley, and members of the subcommittee. We are 
grateful for the opportunity to appear before you today to 
discuss this pending legislation. Joining me are Dr. Michael 
Brennan, Executive Director of the Office of Construction and 
Facilities Management; Dr. Wendy Tenhula, Deputy Chief of the 
Office of Research And Development; and Mr. David Perry, Chief 
Officer of Workforce Management and Consulting.
    VA supports several items of proposed legislation before us 
today. While VA's views on all the bills are detailed in my 
written testimony, including areas of concern and support, I 
would like to highlight a few bills that would have profound 
effects on modernizing our delivery of services to veterans, 
their family members, and caregivers.
    First, VA supports, to include with amendments, H.R. 3303, 
the Maternal Health for Veterans Act; H.R. 3584, the Veterans 
CARE Act; H.R. 5794, the VA Peer Neutrality Act of 2023; and 
H.R. 6324, the FY 2024 VA Major Medical Facility Authorization 
Act.
    VA appreciates H.R. 3303 because it aligns with VA's 
current efforts to enhance the health outcomes of pregnant 
veterans. We note there is some ambiguity in the bill text as 
it would require VA to provide data on the maternal health 
outcomes of veterans who receive medical care or services 
furnished by VA when no VA medical facility furnishes maternity 
care.
    Although too prescriptive in its design, H.R. 3584 would 
authorize VA to conduct research in certain forms of cannabis 
on the health outcomes of veterans. I also want to thank the 
subcommittee for their efforts to improve the health outcomes 
of veterans through the introduction of several bills including 
H.R. 4424, the Vietnam Veterans Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act; 
H.R. 5247, the Expedited Hiring of VA Trained Psychiatrists Act 
of 2023; H.R. 7347, the reporting on the determination to 
include newly approved or licensed psychedelic drugs in the VA 
formulary bill; and certain sections in H.R. 3225, the BUILD 
for Veterans Act of 2023.
    I want to emphasize that VA recognizes the congressional 
intent behind these bills, but many of the activities mandated 
are already being carried out or completed.
    For instance, with regards to H.R. 3225, VA is already 
identifying properties annually via the disposal and reuse 
report, providing the total 10-year-long range action plan 
capital requirement and the major construction 5-year 
development plan requirements annually in the President's 
budget request, and incorporating recommendations from the 
Office of the Inspector General (OIG), the Comptroller General, 
and others on how to detect and prevent waste, fraud, and 
abuse.
    With many reporting requirements and provisions in this 
bill, VA is best suited with extended deadlines and 
congressional acknowledgement of staffing needs and the 
availability of appropriations.
    Also, VA is currently conducting research to better 
understand the health risks and conditions of veterans who 
served in combat areas or were otherwise placed at higher risk 
due to do their military service.
    An analysis of Vietnam-era Veterans' deaths from 1979 to 
2019 due to cholangiocarcinoma is in its final stages of 
preparation for submission to a peer-reviewed scientific 
journal. VA fully supports the need to continue conducting 
research in this area, however, we believe the bill's 
requirements are already satisfied.
    Another example is that VA currently has the authority 
proposed in H.R. 5247, to initiate the appointment process for 
psychiatrists before they complete a residency.
    Last, VA would like to address our concerns with H.R. 3649, 
the Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Treatment Act, and 
H.R. 6373, the Veterans STAND Act.
    Regarding H.R. 3649, if enacted into law in its current 
form, the bill could have a negative impact on the lives of 
veterans. Extensive research conducted by VA, the Department of 
Defense, and others on the effectiveness of hyperbaric oxygen 
therapy, or HBOT, for traumatic brain injuries has shown no 
significant improvements, especially in cases of mild TBI.
    Studies comparing HBOT to a control intervention reveal 
that HBOT was linked to decreased quality of life during long-
term follow up at 2 and 3 years. Furthermore, aside from the 
lack of patient improvement, there is insufficient evidence to 
warrant the use of HBOT as a treatment for post-traumatic 
stress.
    We recognize that the advancement of assistive technology 
has significantly enhanced the lives of our Nation's veterans. 
However, H.R. 6373 as currently written, could hinder VA's 
ability to safeguard veterans' well-being and undermine the 
integrity of the clinical decision-making process.
    Additionally, mandatory consultation with specific 
manufacturers or entities could create conflicts of interest 
that might jeopardize patient safety.
    VA providers collaborate closely with veterans to assess 
their needs and suggest the most suitable solution. 
Exoskeletons which can weigh up to 51 pounds are complex 
medical devices. Clinicians trained in exoskeleton use consider 
various factors when prescribing this equipment.
    For safety reasons and due to the device complexity, the 
Food and Drug Administration, FDA mandates that individuals 
using this technology have a companion present. Unfortunately, 
many individuals do not have access to a suitable companion.
    We appreciate the congressional intent and welcome the 
opportunity to work closely with Congress on all of the bills 
on today's agenda. My colleagues and I are happy to respond to 
any questions you may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Ajit Pai Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Dr. Pai, for your testimony.
    I now yield myself 5 minutes. Typically I go at the end but 
today is an unusual day. Dr. Pai, the VA's Therapeutic Advisory 
(TA) included the request to initiate additional scientifically 
peer-reviewed clinical trials. Is the authority granted in the 
Veteran CARE Act not broad enough to conduct multiple trials?
    Dr. Pai. Thank you for the question. I would like to defer 
to Dr. Tenhula.
    Dr. Tenhula. Good afternoon. Thank you for the question and 
your interest in this issue. The bill as written, our concern 
is that it is too prescriptive in the framework that is laid 
out. What we would request is to make several amendments and 
work with the committee staff on those.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. You know, we deliberately tried to make 
it less prescriptive so that the VA could conduct and organize 
trials, given their expertise in that rather than have that be 
directed from Congress, but we would be happy to work with you 
in that endeavor.
    Dr. Pai, what coordination is necessary between the VA and 
other Federal agencies to effectively conduct research under 
the Veteran CARE Act, or maybe Dr. Tenhula?
    Dr. Tenhula. I would be happy to take that question. What 
we would be interested in is working with other Federal 
agencies in developing a plan for an observational study that 
would allow us to understand cannabis use among not only 
veterans but a broader population, and not only veterans that 
seek care in the VA healthcare system.
    Allowing us to work with other Federal agencies on those 
efforts would allow for more unbiased data collection, and 
would provide data that could inform those clinical trials that 
you mentioned and advise us in what direction to go with those 
trials.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Is there not already observations? As a 
physician, is there not already observational data that is 
available?
    Dr. Tenhula. There is not adequate observational data that 
has been----
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Even from overseas?
    Dr. Tenhula. I am not aware of the data from overseas. I 
would take that for the record and get more information.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Then either Dr. Pai or Dr. Tenhula, what 
effect will the Medical Marijuana and Cannabidiol (CBD) 
Research Expansion Act have on Veterans CARE Act and VA 
research into CBD and cannabis?
    Dr. Tenhula. That act in particular, as I understand it, 
will not have direct impact on VA's ability to do this 
research. We already have the authorities in place that we need 
to be able to do that work.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you very much.
    I now recognize Ranking Member Brownley for any questions 
you may have.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    My first question is to Dr. Pai. Thank you for being here. 
I wanted to talk to you about H.R. 6373, the Veterans STAND 
Act. I am frustrated that the VA opposes this bill.
    I suppose I can understand why you might be concerned about 
the provision that would require consultation with the 
manufacturers of assisted technologies and the potential of 
conflict of interest this could raise. I think we could work 
with you on that.
    However, I am confused as to why the Department would 
oppose the rest of the bill to include codification of the 
annual preventive exams that VA should already be providing for 
veterans with spinal cord injuries and disorders.
    The VA also takes issue with the bill's definition of the 
term assistive technology. Could you elaborate on why VA has 
difficulty with our definition and how we could possibly amend 
the bill to address your concerns? Can we also at the end of 
the day have your commitment to working together to get this 
bill on the right path and moving forward?
    Dr. Pai. Thank you, ma'am. To answer your second question 
about the definition of assistive technology, it is an overly 
broad term to be used. Assistive technology is not only for 
mobility devices and technologies for mobility devices but also 
for speech and swallowing, communication.
    In this case specific to this bill it may be more 
appropriate to utilize assistive walking mobility or adaptive 
assisted mobility technologies, something very specific to 
mobility.
    With regards to your first concern or question about annual 
evaluations and codifying them, VA's spinal cord injury and 
disorders system of care looks at the care for veterans with 
spinal cord injuries in a way that they are very committed to 
the comprehensive lifelong care of those veterans from an 
evidence-based manner using innovative and specialized care 
techniques.
    For all veterans with spinal cord injury they highly 
encourage those veterans to participate in annual evaluations. 
It is not a requirement of veterans because we want to make 
sure that we give veterans choice in their care, just as in 
anything else. By codifying the annual evaluations, that can 
create challenges for those specific veterans.
    Ms. Brownley. Well, if we codified it, it must, in what you 
are saying, it must be causing problems right now, right, 
because that is the policy and the directive.
    Dr. Pai. For annual evaluations--
    Ms. Brownley. Yes.
    Dr. Pai. Correct.
    Ms. Brownley. Yes.
    Dr. Pai. They are offered to all veterans with spinal cord 
injuries and disorders.
    Ms. Brownley. Right. Okay, very good.
    Mr. Perry, VA also opposes H.R. 5247, the Expedited Hiring 
For VA Trained Psychiatrists Act. You said in your written 
testimony that it already has the authority to begin the 
appointment process for a psychiatrist prior to completion of 
their residency. Could you please elaborate on this? What 
authority does VA currently use to directly hire psychiatry 
trainees and to what extent can you also use this authority to 
directly hire physicians in other specialties who have trained 
at the VA?
    Mr. Perry. Thank you, Representative Brownley, for that 
question. Yes. We do not support this legislation because, as 
you stated, we have that authority now. Under Title 38 we have 
expedited hiring authority which allows us up to a year to go 
ahead and proactively identify psychiatrists and other medical 
professionals that are in training in residency programs.
    We have the authorities now to do that under our current 
statute, so we really do not see any benefit for adding this 
additional legislation.
    Ms. Brownley. Can you share some data on how many clinical 
trainees convert to VA employment immediately upon completion 
of their residencies?
    Mr. Perry. I would tell you not as many as we would like. 
We absolutely identify that the trainee pipeline is our biggest 
source and conduit that we should be pulling from and so I do 
not have the exact number that we pull from each year, but we 
are aggressively targeting that pipeline for our trainees.
    Ms. Brownley. Can you give me a rough idea? Is it 10 
percent or 20 percent or 50 percent?
    Mr. Perry. I think it varies by year. I do not think it is 
that high. I can tell you we train 70 percent of the residents 
that come through our VA institutions, but yes, we are not 
anywhere close to where we want to be in those targets, so we 
definitely have area for improvement.
    A lot of time our decisions around hiring are budget-driven 
and timing can be a factor as well, but we do like to target as 
advanced out as possible to hire these clinicians.
    Ms. Brownley. Okay. Dr. Brennan, and I understand from your 
testimony that VA is undertaking the creation of facilities 
methodology, but you have concerns with meeting the timeline. 
Do you have a sense of when VA will be able to complete the 
staffing model?
    Dr. Brennan. Good afternoon and thank you for that 
question. You know, if we are referring to Section 101 of the 
bill, in particular, the current organizational structure of VA 
includes staff who are responsible for all the functions that 
are set forth. One of the things we have done in parallel with 
probably the development of this bill has really been focusing 
on the strategy of integration of all the facilities functions 
and personnel that we have across the Department be better 
integrated to gain efficiencies.
    We are undergoing that right now. Along the same pathway, 
VHA is in the early stages of facility staffing methodology 
that will inform by standard performance metrics. They believe 
it will require 450 days to develop a firm model.
    Ms. Brownley. How many days did you say? I did not----
    Dr. Brennan. It may require more than the 450 days to 
develop the model.
    Ms. Brownley. Okay, thank you.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Murphy. [Presiding.] I spoke a little bit earlier about 
my disappointment in the VA's opposition to these and actually 
several of the other bills that we have in present. You know, I 
will be first to say that as a surgeon of now close to 35 years 
I understand the complexities that occur with hyperbaric 
oxygen. I have dealt with it many, many times and I understand 
the complexities here.
    As Representative Van Orden said point blank, we are 
failing our veterans and I see an extremely bureaucratic 
response to this in opposition as with some of these other 
bills as to why it cannot be done.
    Dr. Pai, think this is your area of expertise. I would love 
to hear your comments upon this so that we can have a, you 
know, a respectful discussion in the opposition probably.
    Dr. Pai. Certainly. Completely agree with Representative 
Van Orden with regards to suicidality and suicide being a 
problem, right, a major problem. It is our number one 
healthcare priority.
    With regards to hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it has not been 
shown to decrease suicide ideation from a PTSD standpoint. It 
has not been shown to provide significant improvements. What we 
are really focused on are those treatment options that do treat 
PTSD, prolonged exposure, evidence-based--or eye movement 
desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR).
    , as well as cognitive processing therapy.
    We want to make sure that we are focused on treatments that 
are evidence-based for PTSD and we are not diverting resources 
to interventions that are not proven for PTSD.
    Mr. Murphy. Well, I am going to respectfully disagree 
because in the State of North Carolina now where we are doing 
this, we are seeing tremendous results. We have a huge veteran 
community in eastern North Carolina especially, especially in 
Durham, North Carolina, in the center of the State and in the 
northeast corner with Dr. Moreno. They are seeing tremendous 
results with these.
    You know, again, we are going to get back to where this is 
literally the end of the road for individuals. I was very 
skeptical of psychedelics. Read the literature, very proponent 
of this. I am not a fan of marijuana in a general sense, but I 
am absolutely a fan if it is going to help our veterans, and it 
is very restricted.
    I am just seeing, you know, I am reading in here one of the 
things that might take--veterans may have to travel for this. 
Well, if the option is traveling to a cemetery than traveling 
to a VA to go get this therapy, by God we ought to be knocking 
down the doors of hell to do it. It is critical.
    Yes, I understand that there is discussion about this, but 
we have several different avenues to choose from and I am 
adamant, and I am a scientist at first, at heart, and I am 
adamant that this makes the lives of individuals who are 
hitting the wall.
    I think the Veterans Administration must pursue every 
single opportunity because statistical manipulations in a 
decrease in suicides in this country is not acceptable to 
effectually lowering that number. I would urge you, and it is 
going to maybe have to be in this committee's purview to 
rethink this to literally, as I said, all hands on deck for our 
veterans.
    When they are hitting the wall and they are committing 
suicide we have to open up every door. Any other 
considerations? I will tell you, with Mr. Van Orden and Mr. 
LaLota's bills I am in full support of those things. I hate for 
us to be in an adversarial role here. I think we have good 
individuals. I know your hearts are all in the right place, but 
it is our supervisory role to assist the VA, sometimes 
nudgingly, in what we are doing for our veterans.
    I thank you. This is the end of this subcommittee.
    I want to thank all witnesses for the hearing today. You 
are now excused, and we will wait while the second panel comes 
the witness table.
    Mr. Murphy. Thank you to all members. We would like to 
start our second panel today. On our second panel we have Mr. 
John Retzer, assistant national director for Disabled Veterans, 
Mr. Roscoe Butler, senior health advisor at the Paralyzed 
Veterans of America, Ms. Brittany Elliot, a Marine Corps 
veteran and advocate, and Ms. Melissa Bryant, chair of the 
directors of boards of Minority Veterans of America.
    Mr. Retzer, you are now recognized for 5 minutes. Thank 
you.

                    STATEMENT OF JON RETZER

    Mr. Retzer. Thank you, Chair Murphy, Ranking Member 
Brownley, and members of the subcommittee. Thank you for 
inviting DAV to testify at this legislative hearing. We 
appreciate all the beneficial pieces of proposed legislation on 
agenda today that are focused on improving timely access and 
quality of services for our Nation's veterans, in particular 
service-disabled veterans.
    Throughout the past decade the VA has experienced 
significant growth and difficulty implementing reforms that 
guarantee veterans receive access to quality healthcare. For VA 
to maintain its role as a primary provider of timely and 
quality care, it must address the challenge of an aging 
infrastructure by improving its internal capacity through the 
construction and modernization of facilities.
    Unfortunately, VA facilities have a median age of nearly 60 
years which poses a challenge with renovations. Facilities of 
this era were not designed to accommodate the technological and 
design innovation needs that support a modern healthcare 
system. That is why DAV supports the BUILD for Veterans Act, 
H.R. 3225, which aims to enhance the VA's capital assets 
program by improving planning and oversight, providing more 
consistent funding, and strengthening capability to start and 
complete projects.
    Another key aspect of providing quality care is safe and 
effective innovations and delivery of evidence-based 
treatments. The Veterans Care Act, H.R. 3584, would require the 
VA to conduct and support research on medicinal cannabis for 
treating veterans with PTSD, chronic pain, and other 
conditions.
    While many veterans are currently using cannabis, it is 
important for medical research to continue exploring the safety 
and efficacy of cannabis usage for medical purposes. Despite 
being able to talk about their cannabis use with VA clinicians, 
veterans cannot receive recommendations or prescriptions for 
cannabis from VA clinicians. Our Nation's veterans deserve 
access to the most effective treatments and therapies 
available, including alternative options, which is why DAV 
supports H.R. 3584.
    Now, to address the needs of the fastest growing cohorts of 
veterans using VA healthcare services. There are over 650,000 
women veterans using VA, half of them being childbearing age. 
In fact, since 2014, VA has seen an 80 percent increase in 
maternity care services.
    Last month DAV released our new report, Women Veterans, the 
Journey to Mental Wellness. They found that there can be an 
increased risk for mental health diagnosis and suicidality 
during pregnancy and up to 1 year after giving birth. The 
report emphasized the need for strong support systems and 
coordination during and after pregnancies. For these reasons, 
DAV strongly supports the Maternal Health for Veterans Act, 
H.R. 3303, which addresses the need to strengthen the VA 
oversight and expand funding to coordinate support and 
resources for women veteran mothers.
    To bolster VA mental health staffing to help reduce veteran 
suicide. DAV is pleased to support H.R. 5247, the Expedited 
Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act. A 2023 VA Inspector 
General report revealed that more than half of VA's 139 medical 
facilities face a severe shortage of psychiatrists. The bill 
aims to reduce wait times for veterans seeking mental health 
care by allowing the VA to fast track the hiring of 
psychiatrists who have completed residency at VA facilities,
    Another bill DAV supports is H.R. 3644, the ACT for 
Veterans Act which would extend the time for veterans to notify 
VA after emergency care at non-VA facilities by an extra 24-
hour period to ensure coverage under the Veterans Community 
Care Program.
    Currently, VA does not guarantee payment if a veteran does 
not contact the view within 72 hours of receiving non-VA 
emergency care. Veterans suffering medical emergencies should 
not have to worry about whether VA will deny coverage or refuse 
payment because of administrative notification time 
requirements.
    Finally, for far too long, government reimbursement rates 
for emergency transportation have been significantly lower than 
the true cost of providing that service. Earlier this year the 
VA finalized a proposed rule to change, or to change to cut its 
reimbursement rate for emergency air medical transportation. 
During health emergencies this reduction could put an estimated 
4.7 million veterans living in rural and remote communities who 
already struggle to get reliable access to healthcare at even 
greater risk.
    To address this concern, DAV supports H.R. 5530, the VA 
Emergency Transportation Access Act, which would limit VA's 
ability to reduce payment rates for transporting veterans on 
specialized transportation modes.
    Chairman, this concludes my testimony. I am pleased to 
answer your questions you or members of the subcommittee may 
have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Jon Retzer Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Mr. Murphy. Thank you, Mr. Retzer.
    Mr. Butler, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

                   STATEMENT OF ROSCOE BUTLER

    Mr. Butler. Chairman, Ranking Member Brownley, and members 
of the subcommittee, Paralyzed Veterans of America would like 
to thank you for this opportunity to present our views on some 
of the legislation that the subcommittee will be examining 
today.
    PVA strongly supports the BUILD Act, which seeks to improve 
staffing to manage construction of VA assets and ensure that 
there are concrete plans to improve the planning, management, 
and budgeting of VA construction and capital asset programs.
    Among its many provisions, the BUILD Act requires the VA to 
implement a more concrete schedule to eliminate or repurpose 
unused and vacant buildings, develop and execute a plan to hire 
construction personnel, examine infrastructure budgeting 
strategies, and identify required reforms and provide annual 
budget requirements over a 10-year period.
    It also directs the VA to report to Congress on the 
Department's current and future anticipated long-term care 
needs and models of care for women veterans, veterans with 
spinal cord injuries and disorders, and other veteran 
population with unique needs. This is particularly important to 
paralyzed veterans as VA's current number of long-term care 
beds for veterans with SCI/D is woefully inadequate for an 
aging veteran population where care needs are not readily met 
in the community.
    As of January, only 169 of VA's 181 SCI/D long-term care 
beds were actually available, and only one of VA's six 
specialized long-term care facility lies west of the 
Mississippi River. Until construction projects at the Dallas 
and San Diego VA medical centers are completed, only 12 long-
term care beds are available for the thousands of SCI/D 
veterans that reside in this area of the country. We urge 
Congress to pass this bill as soon as possible.
    PVA also supports the Expedited Hiring for VA Trained 
Psychiatrists Act, which would help VA fill critical 
psychiatrist vacancies sooner. Many SCI/D centers lack the 
direct support of a psychiatrist, forcing the staff to submit 
intra and inter-facility consults for all veterans with SCI/D 
requiring psychiatric care. The response time to these consults 
are lengthy, delaying essential psychiatric care and services 
for these veterans. We believe the change authorized by this 
legislation could help veterans receive the essential 
psychiatric care they need sooner.
    Last year VA announced a proposed final rule establishing a 
new payment methodology which would dramatically lower ground 
and air ambulance reimbursement rates. Part of the problem is 
that proposed rule relies on outdated data for air and ground 
transportation. PVA supports the VA Emergency Transportation 
Access Act because it would help ensure changes in 
reimbursement rates do not adversely impact veterans.
    Finally, we support the STAND Act, which would first ensure 
that veterans with SCI/Ds are offered an annual medical 
examination. These annual assessments are important because it 
allows the veteran's physician to identify and treat health 
issues before they worsen, review any changes that have 
occurred over the last year, and identify risk factors that 
could lead to future health problems, and offer expert advice 
on how to mitigate them.
    Some VA facilities do not--some VA facilities do an 
excellent job reaching out to SCI/D veterans to offer them an 
annual assessment, but not all. There is room for improvement 
in this area. The bill also directs the VA to ensure veterans 
are assessed for and briefed on the types of assistive 
technologies that they may be eligible for during these annual 
exams.
    Advancement in technology could provide life-changing 
options for veterans with SCI/Ds so it is extremely important 
that they are made aware of anything that could improve their 
mobility, functionality, or independence.
    Thank you again for this opportunity to share our views on 
some of the legislation being reviewed today. I would be happy 
to answer any questions you may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Roscoe Butler Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Ms. Miller-Meeks. [Presiding.] Thank you.
    Ms. Elliot, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

                  STATEMENT OF BRITTANY ELLIOT

    Ms. Elliot. Madam Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member 
Brownley, and distinguished members of this subcommittee, my 
name is Brittany Elliot and I am a medically retired U.S. 
Marine Corps veteran. I am honored to join you today to discuss 
the critical importance of H.R. 6373, the VA Spinal Trauma 
Access to New Devices Act, or the STAND Act. I am joined here 
today by my father, full-time caregiver, and exoskeleton 
companion Morgan Elliot.
    By way of background I am a medically eligible veteran in 
terms of VA healthcare and I am fully paralyzed from my chest 
down as a result of a head-on collision with a drunk driver on 
July 3, 2015 and was placed in a wheelchair. Since you have my 
longer history in my written testimony I will skip forward to 
2017 when I was introduced through social media and other 
means, not by the VA, to a device that I thought may have some 
utility for me if I were to ever regain the ability to stand 
and walk, the ReWalk personal powered exoskeleton.
    I approached my care providers at the Memphis VA and 
started pushing to gain access to this technology. After 
significant hesitation by my local providers, I was finally 
able to get them to agree to enroll me in the VA's landmark 
study on the technology.
    The VA co-op study was being undertaken at several VA 
facilities across the country but not in Memphis, so I was 
forced to travel on my own resources to the St. Louis VA 
Medical Center at Jefferson Barracks. I spent 3 weeks 
undergoing intensive training on the device. I might add this 
is an 8-week process but I am a Marine after all, and 
successfully completed this trial, at which point I was able to 
take the device home and start using it.
    I took it everywhere. Unfortunately, my story does not end 
there. When I returned to the St. Louis VA in 2018, my 
provider, the very same provider who entered me into the trial, 
informed me that she would not support my continued use of this 
device and to this day has failed to provide sufficient 
rationale for that decision.
    The device was returned to the VA and I was left in a 
chair. I was also told you should get used to it because that 
is all you can expect. Well, as a trained warfighter that is 
simply not good enough.
    For the next 4 years, that is right, a 4-year battle with--
I was engaged with a battle and a local and regional battle to 
regain access to the device that had already so profoundly 
changed my life.
    Finally and thanks to a forward-thinking and supportive 
clinician at the Sonny Montgomery VA Medical Center in Jackson, 
Mississippi, I was seen, reevaluated over the course of weeks, 
again on my own dime, and ultimately provided a new device 
which I still have and use every day of my life.
    I am eternally grateful to this provider as his disposition 
was not one that lent itself to the bureaucracy, but one that 
carefully considered the entirety of the evidence and the 
utility of this device for me, a young, vibrant, and motivated 
Marine. This fight never needed to happen, but the system in 
many cases it seems to me is built to protect itself instead of 
the veterans it serves.
    I am so grateful to General Bergman for his authoring, and 
I want to personally thank Chairman Bost, Ranking Member 
Brownley, and Congresswoman Dingell for their willingness to 
co-lead this effort. I would also personally like to thank 
Senators Tester and Moran for their companion bill that was 
introduced this morning.
    My thanks as well to those who have agreed and continue to 
agree to co-sponsor the STAND Act. In my view, this bill is 
critical for a few reasons. As you all know, this bill seeks to 
codify what the VA is already supposed to be doing in the way 
of performing annual examinations . I can tell you with 
certainty they are not. I have had five exams over the last 8 
years and had to push for several of those myself.
    Additionally, I think it is imperative that VA assess the 
viability of assistive technologies for all veterans with SCI, 
not simply forcing them to stay in chairs if they are 
clinically eligible for other devices is simply not good 
enough. The STAND Act mandates this type of assessment.
    One thing I have learned over my years of fighting the VA 
is that clinical behavior is often very difficult to change. 
One way to accomplish change, however, is to demand 
accountability for those responsible for making clinical 
decisions. This bill seeks to accomplish this by two means, 
make the VA reportable to Congress on their success against the 
metrics I mentioned and hold Veterans Integrated Services 
Networks (VISN) leadership accountable through their annual 
performance evaluations on these same metrics.
    In conclusion, Madam Chairwoman, Ranking Member Brownley, 
and members of this subcommittee, I am very thankful to you and 
to all those who have supported this bill as it can be truly 
life-changing for those like me who have faithfully served 
their Nation. A lack of system capacity and widespread 
unwillingness of VA clinical leadership to allow veterans to 
enter the community for training and just flat out bureaucratic 
red tape continue to hamper other veterans' ability to gain 
access to these important technologies that can be truly life-
changing.
    I can proudly stand in strong support of this bill and I 
believe its impact can be truly immeasurable for those who are 
simply trying to rebuild their lives and who are seeking the 
VA's support to get them there. With your collective help, this 
will be an easier path. I truly appreciate the opportunity to 
appear before you today and I am happy to respond to any 
questions you may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Brittany Elliot Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Ms. Elliot.
    Ms. Bryant, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

                  STATEMENT OF MELISSA BRYANT

    Ms. Bryant. Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member 
Brownley, and distinguished members of the subcommittee, I am 
Melissa Bryant and I am honored to appear before you today on 
behalf of Minority Veterans of America where I serve as the 
chair of the board of directors .
    As an organization dedicated to advocating for the unique 
needs of minority veteran service members and their families, 
we appreciate the opportunity to provide testimony and to 
contribute the unique perspectives of those we serve to today's 
discussion. The focus of today's testimony will be on H.R. 
3303, the Maternal Health for Veterans Act.
    MVA is dedicated to creating belonging and advancing equity 
and justice for our Nation's historically marginalized and 
underserved veterans, racial and ethnic, gender, sexual, 
religious and non-religious minorities. MVA works on behalf of 
more than 10.2 million minority veterans, and through our suite 
of programs directly serve thousands of veteran service members 
and their families each year.
    Of MVA members 52 percent identify as women, 7 percent as 
gender diverse, 60 percent are traditional reproductive ages of 
18 to 45, and 30 percent are survivors of military sexual 
trauma. As a former Army officer I have witnessed firsthand the 
challenges of pregnancy for soldiers as a carryover for those 
soldiers when they become veterans, especially those who had to 
be administratively separated from active duty due to those 
challenges.
    We are grateful to be here today to represent their unique 
lived experiences and perspectives, stories highlighted within 
my written testimony of Dez Lincoln, Khadija Smith, Gracie 
Mangual, and others.
    Maternal health for veterans is a critical aspect of care 
that addresses the unique needs of veterans who are navigating 
pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum care. Veterans who use VA 
for care faced obstacles in accessing timely and appropriate 
maternal care due to the limited availability of onsite 
obstetric services and poor care coordination between VA and 
community-based providers.
    Those challenges are compounded by the unique health issues 
veterans face, including physical and mental health conditions 
resulting from their service which can impact their pregnancy 
and birth experiences. Complexities such as traumatic brain 
injury or even musculoskeletal injuries, mental health 
conditions like PTS and depression, and even toxic exposures 
have been shown to have long-term consequences that impact 
reproductive health and pregnancy.
    The challenges minority veterans face are rooted in 
systemic inequities such as poverty, structural racism, 
implicit bias, and language and cultural barriers that impede 
access to essential prenatal, labor, delivery, and postpartum 
care. Minority veterans often contend with higher rates of 
comorbidities like hypertension, diabetes, and mental health 
disorders, complicating their pregnancy and childbirth 
experiences and contributing to disparities in maternal health 
outcomes.
    These historical contexts and associated social 
determinants of health can significantly impact access and 
utilization of maternal health services within VA. As Ms. 
Brownley mentioned in her opening statement, GAO recently found 
that severe maternal mortality rate was highest amongst black 
veterans, highlighting pronounced disparities in maternal 
health outcomes.
    LGBTQ plus veterans also face additional hurdles and access 
and maternal health services within the VA system, including 
harassment and systemic discrimination in care settings, in 
addition to disparate discharge statuses under policies like do 
not ask, do not tell, which impede VA access to care or access 
to VA care, further exacerbating disparities in maternal health 
experiences and outcomes.
    The MCC program has served a pivotal role in enhancing 
access to comprehensive maternal care services, improving the 
care experience for pregnant and postpartum veterans and 
addressing the unique healthcare needs of this population 
within the VA healthcare system.
    High utilization rates, its critical role in pregnancy 
care, a centralized telehealth program at the VISN level, and 
enhanced mental health support are among the key successes of 
the MCC program, but several areas for improvement remain, 
including remedy and limited access to comprehensive maternity 
care, the lack of specialty care providers, fragmented care 
coordination, inadequate screening and risk assessment, limited 
mental health support, insufficient data collection and 
analysis, barriers to minority and rural veterans, and limited 
support for postpartum care.
    Issues unique to minority veterans include persistent 
racial inequities and insufficient training for LGBTQ plus 
support, requiring targeted interventions and outreach to 
address these disparities.
    MVA strongly supports H.R. 3303, recognizing its potential 
to significantly enhanced maternity care coordination for 
veterans throughout pregnancy and 1 year postpartum within VA 
services. We urge Congress to strengthen this legislation by 
improving provisions specifically targeting the unique needs of 
minority veterans accessing maternal health services within the 
VA healthcare system.
    MVA also recommends enhancing cultural competency training, 
enhancing data collection analysis, strengthening community 
partnerships, improving language access services, and expanding 
access to doulas and culturally competent midwives, as doulas 
can provide care services that include offering emotional 
support to pregnant veterans through childbirth and enhance 
their agency and self-advocacy and have shown to mitigate 
preventative causes of maternal morbidity as doulas can also 
uniquely provide trauma-informed care to our most vulnerable 
pregnant veterans.
    Addressing maternal health disparities among veterans is 
paramount for future generations who will return from service 
to start families. Again, we wholeheartedly support this bill. 
We thank you for the opportunity to testify today and I look 
forward to any questions you all may have.

    [The Prepared Statement Of Melissa Bryant Appears In The 
Appendix]

    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you, Ms. Bryant, and I would like 
to thank all of our witnesses for their very thoughtful input.
    As is my practice, I will recognize myself at the end of 
questioning. Ranking Member Brownley, you are now recognized 
for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Brownley. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    My first question is to Ms. Bryant. In your testimony you 
shared some very poignant stories from your members about their 
need for more support during and after their pregnancy, and 
certainly I am excited about H.R. 3303 as I know you are. I 
know that there is so much more that the needs to be done to 
support our veterans who are pregnant or who have given birth.
    In your mind is there a theme to the support needed in 
these stories that we should focus on to make sure these 
veterans get the support that they need?
    Ms. Bryant. Yes, Ranking Member Brownley. I believe that 
the through line that was really identified and outlined 
throughout our testimony is that the wraparound services need 
to be there and they need to be culturally competent, whether 
it is for someone who cannot access care because they need an 
interpreter or whether it is someone who just needs that 
assistance in self-advocacy we have now seen.
    We have data. We have the GAO report on top of VA, excuse 
me, VA's own data that show when you give those wraparound 
services, especially for those of us who are vulnerable, who 
are facing mental health challenges that will mitigate very 
preventable issues that could happen when you are experiencing 
issues in accessing care within VA. That can assist in your 
childbirth outcomes.
    Ms. Brownley. Very good. What is a wraparound? What does 
wraparound services look like? Just----
    Ms. Bryant. Wraparound services should address the social 
determinants of health. As you saw from some of our member 
stories within our testimony, they are experiencing financial 
instability. They are experiencing----
    Ms. Brownley. Got it.
    Ms. Bryant [continuing]. housing insecurity. Those are the 
types of things that we should include within our wraparound 
services.
    Ms. Brownley. They are all interconnected?
    Ms. Bryant. It is all inextricably linked.
    Ms. Brownley. Yes, yep, yep. Thank you for that.
    Ms. Elliot, it is very nice to have you here with us today 
and I certainly want to applaud your father as your caregiver. 
I have a caregiver bill going through Congress right now and 
hopefully we can bring more veterans to get their healthcare 
needs, disabled and aging veterans to get their healthcare in 
their homes and to also provide help and support to the 
caregivers who are taking care of our Nation's veterans. 
Wherever your father is, I applaud you.
    It is a challenging and rewarding job, but it is a job I 
think where sometimes the caregiver needs to have a little rest 
himself or herself so, but I really thank you, Ms. Elliot, for 
being here.
    I was really looking forward to seeing you and your 
exoskeleton because I have never seen it before. Alexis just 
showed me some pictures so I sort of have an idea, but I was 
really looking forward to it. I understand that got damaged by 
the airlines flying here.
    Ms. Elliot. It got damaged in transit, yes, ma'am. I was 
looking forward to presenting it today to you and to the rest 
of the subcommittee but it was, unfortunately, damaged to a 
point that we could not utilize it today.
    Ms. Brownley. Yes, that is really too bad. I also have a 
bill. I sit on the Transportation Committee and I also have a 
bill to try to address this problem where so many people who 
have any kind of medical device, I am sure they have not seen 
many exoskeletons but, you know, wheelchairs, motorized 
wheelchairs, and so forth that get damaged too frequently on 
airplanes and people are lost with without their devices.
    Ms. Elliot. Yes, ma'am. I have personally also experienced 
those type of losses through an airline with my travel, so I do 
completely understand that.
    Ms. Brownley. Very good. I think, you know, I think I am 
happy that you are here to, you know, support the STAND Act. 
Can you just expand on why annual exams for veterans with 
spinal cord injuries are so crucial and actually need to be 
codified in this line? I mean, I am sure you heard the VA 
testify that they wanted to make it a choice, but can you 
expand on that?
    Ms. Elliot. For me that is the only way I can get, you 
know, issues with my chair resolved or issues, other unresolved 
health issues sometimes is through my annual exam. Those are 
crucially important in things like wheelchair maintenance and 
also just various health needs that the spinal cord injury and 
disease veterans face that are specific to our needs.
    Those are crucially important as part of longevity of life 
and ease of life. I mean, if my chair is broken for, you know, 
6 months out of the year and I cannot get into an appointment 
that is a big inconvenience.
    Ms. Brownley. You mentioned in your testimony, too, that 
you have had five out of eight of your annual appointments?
    Ms. Elliot. Right.
    Ms. Brownley. Did I understand that correctly? That you 
said you had to really, kind of, push to get some of those 
appointments?
    Ms. Elliot. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. Brownley. Does that mean three times you were 
unsuccessful in getting your appointment?
    Ms. Elliot. Yes, ma'am, and it is not COVID's fault that I 
could not get all those appointments. I did have one virtual 
through COVID so that was not the reason that I did not have 
all of the appointments that was necessary.
    Ms. Brownley. These annual appointments, when you leave an 
annual appointment there is not the next annual appointment 
scheduled for you?
    Ms. Elliot. No, not usually.
    Ms. Brownley. I see that my time is up and the chair is 
anxious and so I will yield my time back. Thank you.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you very much, Ranking Member 
Brownley.
    The chair now recognizes Representative Bergman for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Bergman. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    I want to first thank our witnesses from Paralyzed Veterans 
of America and Disabled American Veterans for being here today. 
Your presence makes a big difference.
    I know that you have worked with my office as we developed 
the Veterans STAND Act, and I was grateful to be able to 
discuss it with PVA President Thomas when he testified during 
our joint VSO hearing over at the Senate a few weeks ago. In 
that same vein, I am going to take advantage of the opportunity 
to talk directly with Ms. Elliot while she is here today in 
that same vein as I spoke with PVA President Thomas.
    Ms. Elliot, I am very familiar with your long-term struggle 
with dealing with the VA over your device. Given your role as 
an advocate and your routine interactions with folks can you, 
the VA folks, can you share with the committee the experience 
of other veterans who are currently in similar circumstances? 
We have heard yours but have you got any other stories to share 
with us?
    Ms. Elliot. I actually do. Thank you for the question, Mr. 
Bergman. I have actually been working with a veteran as I also 
ski, and so I take my exoskeleton to the winter sports clinic. 
I actually had a veteran personally reach out to me while I was 
walking my device and he goes, can you help me? I said, what do 
you need help with, my friend? He said, I have been fighting 
the Richmond VA for years to get access to the ReWalk and I 
have only been given one option and that is not that one and I 
just need help. I need help with this bureaucratic tape that I 
am facing. I said, I wish I could.
    I find that some of our veterans that I have worked very 
closely with they are all fighting Richmond VA for that same 
access, but they are not the only VA. I have had veterans that 
come to me personally and say, you know, I have been fighting 
this war for years. Is there any advice that you have? I said 
just do not give up. I will fight any way that it can to help 
you, but it is going to be a war because they would rather give 
you another chair than give you access to technologies that can 
truly change your life.
    I stand by these guys. Most of them are young men, but I 
stand by these guys and offer support when they do get 
discouraged.
    Mr. Bergman. Thank you. Do you know, do you think there are 
others or do you know personally of any others who may be 
clinically eligible already for the device but are simply being 
told no? Do you have any specifics there?
    Ms. Elliot. Yes. Actually the one that was--he was 
clinically eligible for exoskeletons but they are only giving 
him one option, and he does not feel that that is the best 
option for his life. He intends to use it a whole lot more than 
just inside his house.
    Veterans are acknowledging there is more than one 
technology available and want access to all the technologies, 
not just one that the VA specifically has decided to work 
beside for each VA center.
    Mr. Bergman. Okay. Do you think that the Veterans 
Administration's resistance to using this device is an issue of 
local medical center capacity or, you know, who is passing the 
buck to who here? Any thoughts?
    Ms. Elliot. That is where the community care network would 
be crucial to veterans like myself. I traveled 10 hours to get 
access to the technology on my dime and for most veterans that 
is just not that is not possible. They cannot give up that kind 
of time away from their families and in their homes in order to 
get access to technology, but that is where a community care 
network would be crucially important in getting veteran access 
to the technologies and the training closer to home, not having 
to travel hours upon hours away from home and family to get 
access to this technology.
    Mr. Bergman. You know, I think I saw a statement where the 
VA stated that the reporting requirements loaded on them will 
disallow them from doing their daily work with SCI veterans, so 
they are even currently meeting the mark in terms of the 
current workload.
    There is kind of a workload balance here. They are claiming 
they have got too much so they cannot do this with that. If 
not, are there any professional resource centers available in 
the community, because you have referenced community care, that 
could be used to train veterans on this device so, you know, 
different entities?
    Ms. Elliot. Even I personally trained with a community care 
provider in my own community post injury because it was so 
inconvenient for me to go to outpatient VA. Any outpatient VA 
center that--or outpatient community care provider who has 
already been deemed eligible to get community care services for 
veterans would be eligible to teach veterans how to use this 
technology.
    Mr. Bergman. Okay. I see my time is just about up. I am not 
putting words in the mouth of Secretary McDonough, but when we 
traveled up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan together in 
December and he spoke to VA hospital and a couple of clinics, 
he made it very clear that whatever the Veterans Administration 
did the veterans should not have to wait because the 
bureaucracy was doing its thing and not prioritizing the 
veteran. That was his intent.
    Secretary McDonough is a man of his word and I, you know, 
he knows that he has got his hands full just like we have hands 
full. Thank you for the indulgence, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. You are welcome. Thank you very much.
    I now recognize myself for 5 minutes. It is interesting 
listening to all of your testimony, and I am going to deviate 
from my questions. I will ask the question, one of the 
questions I planned to ask but then I am going to deviate.
    Mr. Butler and Mr. Retzer, can share what you have heard 
from your members about their experiences with therapeutic 
medicinal use of cannabis or cannabis-derived products?
    Mr. Butler. We have not really received any information 
from our members directly about the product. We are interested 
in seeing the research go forward and the evidence that it 
provides efficacy to meet the clinical needs of veterans so 
that they can sustain their lives more. We are hopeful that the 
evidence will prove that it has efficacy in the support of 
clinical needs for the veterans.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Mr. Retzer.
    Mr. Retzer. Thank you for that question. Our membership 
actually has a resolution, as a resolution-based organization, 
where we call for the research of medical efficacy of cannabis 
for service-connected disabled veterans so it is very important 
to us.
    We have also published multiple articles with regards to 
the cannabis studies and the innovations in the direction for 
needs for options for our veterans.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. I hear similar things from the veterans 
in my community as well.
    Ms. Bryant, this is not necessarily a question. While I am 
not opposed to Representative Underwood's bill, it seems like 
we have a tremendous amount of data both with veterans and non-
veterans. As a physician and former director of public health 
this is not an area that is unfamiliar to me.
    It also seems like we have recommendations for how to 
reduce maternal morbidity and mortality. Do we really need 
another report to Congress or is it better that we utilize the 
money to implement practices and evidence-based practices that 
we feel will be effective?
    Ms. Bryant. In order to address the epidemic, as you 
stated, Chairwoman, that we are facing in this country, we have 
to have that information from VA as the representative of the 
largest integrated healthcare system in our country to 
contribute to the whole within our healthcare system.
    Having regularly reported data, being able to see the 
intersectionality and the impact of intersectionality within 
maternal healthcare will be a boon for the rest of the entire 
industry in being able to address a lot of the issues that 
veterans face and all women face.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Thank you.
    Then where I am going to deviate is this. Ms. Elliot, I 
started my career in the military. I did medical surgical 
nursing and I did emergency room nursing and then I got 
assigned to Walter Reed Army Medical Center as a young 
lieutenant and I was assigned to neurosurgery at Ward 10 of 
Walter Reed. We did traumatic brain injuries which were not 
called that at the time. I flipped many of the Stryker frame. 
Both my husband and I did care after our time, so this is 
taking me back to my very early days as a nurse, although I did 
not do neurosurgery as a physician.
    It is appalling to me that you were told to just get used 
to it. The VA is probably one of the premier institutions for 
prosthetic devices, and why we do not consider an exoskeleton 
or other devices to help our veterans become ambulatory, become 
independent, is hard for me to fathom. I am going to look at 
this as a physician and what are the consequences of being in a 
wheelchair when you could be somewhat ambulatory or upright?
    I apologize for those of you who are not medical because 
some of this is rather, I do not consider it gross, but 
pressure sores, debridement of pressure sores, the cost of 
hospitalization, the cost of being bedridden, the cost of 
urinary tract infections, catheterization, the cost of 
impaction, all of those--and then not to count what it does to 
the veteran's individual mental health and that of their 
families when they could be productive and have active, engaged 
minds. I still visit and take care of people who have spinal 
cord injuries in the civilian world as well.
    Thank you for mentioning the community care network and how 
crucially necessary it is. To me, given the VA's track record 
on prosthetic devices and helping our military and veterans be 
whole, it is unfortunate that we would have to consider 
legislation for the VA to bring veterans back to a livelihood, 
a production, care for their families, interactions in their 
communities. I know I am pontificating, but I cannot thank you 
enough for being here today and for your testimony.
    Ms. Elliot. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. With that, that concludes our second 
panel.
    Ranking Member Brownley, would you like to make any closing 
remarks?
    Ms. Brownley. I do not. I do not, but I just want to thank 
the panelists who are here today, and I think we have got a lot 
of good bills here that I hope we can move along and move over 
to the Senate.
    Ms. Miller-Meeks. Well, on behalf of the committee I would 
extend my thanks to all of the witnesses today. I look forward 
to working with the stakeholders, my colleagues at the 
Department of Veterans Affairs to address the issues we 
discussed today.
    The complete written statements of today's witnesses will 
be entered into the hearing record. I ask unanimous consent 
that all members have 5 legislative days to revise and extend 
their remarks and to include extraneous material. Hearing no 
objection, so ordered.
    I thank the members and the witnesses for their attendance 
and participation today. This hearing is now adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:22 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]

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                     Prepared Statement of Ajit Pai

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Ranking Member Brownley, and other 
Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for inviting us here today to 
present our views on several bills that would affect VA programs and 
services. Joining me today is Dr. Michael Brennan, Executive Director, 
Office of Construction and Facilities Management, Dr. Wendy Tenhula, 
Deputy Chief Research and Development Officer, Office of Research and 
Development, VHA, and Mr. David Perry, Chief Officer, Workforce 
Management and Consulting, VHA.

H.R. 3225 Build, Utilize, Invest, Learn, and Deliver (BUILD) for 
Veterans Act of 2023

    The BUILD for Veterans Act of 2023 would support improvements of 
VA's capital asset programs' management and performance to better serve 
Veterans, their families, caregivers, and survivors. However, VA cites 
concerns with this bill.
    Section 101(a)(1) of the bill would require VA, not later than 540 
days from the date of enactment, to ensure that VA has dedicated 
offices or entities and sufficient staff, including at each VA medical 
center (VAMC), to conduct relevant critical responsibilities for the 
life cycle of capital asset management at the local, regional, and VA 
central office level. This could include ensuring such mix as VA 
considers appropriate of personnel with duties in the following 
categories: facility planning; long-range capital planning; management 
of certain projects and capital assets; property disposal or transfer, 
environmental remediation, and historic preservation; engineering, 
maintenance, and repair; the collection of views of Veterans and VA 
employees to understand VA's capital asset needs; and other relevant 
functions. VA would have to ensure, to the greatest extent possible, 
that these requirements would be assigned to a different individual or 
group of individuals so as to organize common work in a cohesive manner 
and not overburden a small number of staff. Within 180 days of 
enactment, VA would have to: designate and notify appropriate 
congressional committees one individual as the lead senior official 
responsible for the integration and coordination of, and accountability 
for, the evaluation of VA's capital asset workforce needs; a required 
staffing model; and the ongoing implementation and monitoring of 
actions to ensure adequate capital asset staffing across VA, including 
those at the field, regional, and central offices of VHA, the National 
Cemetery Administration, the Veterans Benefits Administration, and the 
Office of Acquisition, Logistics, and Construction (OALC). Within one 
year of enactment, VA would have to establish a staffing model for the 
relevant Administrations, Staff Offices, and other elements to carry 
out paragraph (1) that ensures a minimum base level of capital asset 
staffing and is adjusted based on the volume and complexity of capital 
asset work of a particular facility, catchment area, region, or central 
office responsibility. VA would have to update this staffing model 
regularly. In a State or territory where VA does not operate a full-
service VAMC, VA would have to ensure, to the greatest extent 
practicable, that VA has a dedicated office or entity and sufficient 
staff at the largest VA medical facility in the State or territory.
    Section 101(a)(6) would state that the purpose of this subsection 
is to ensure that field, regional, and central offices of VA have an 
appropriately sized and credentialed capital asset workforce to allow 
for efficient and effective execution of their relevant segment of 
capital asset work. It would further clarify that nothing in this 
section would be intended to mandate a realignment of capital asset 
workforce roles, responsibilities, and reporting structures.
    Under section 101(b), VA would have to ensure that appropriate 
professional certifications, educational background, and other 
qualifications were in effect for individuals employed in a position at 
a required dedicated office or entity to manage the duties under 
subsection (a)(1).
    Section 101(c) would define the duties of the dedicated offices or 
entities at VAMCs. Duties of offices or entities required at a VAMC 
could include the following, as VA considers appropriate to achieve 
efficient and effective capital asset management and performance as it 
pertains to relevant activities at the field level: developing, 
monitoring, and implementing capital asset objectives in the area; 
coordinating capital asset management and planning with others in VA; 
delivering effectively capital asset projects; maintaining and 
repairing existing infrastructure; conducting capital asset disposal or 
transfer, environmental remediation, and historic preservation; 
monitoring regularly state-of-the-art best practices in health care 
capital asset delivery and management; monitoring constantly the needs 
of Veterans and employees for medical space and services including 
views and expectations expressed by relevant local or national Veterans 
Service Organizations (VSO); understanding and implementing capital 
asset policies; providing feedback to improve these policies; and 
understanding the importance of collaboration and coordination within 
VA to achieve success in all phases of capital asset management. VA 
would have to collect views and expectations through multiple channels, 
allow for anonymous and confidential submission of views, include 
diverse viewpoints, coordinate with existing VA efforts, and use these 
views and expectations to inform VA offices and leadership in the 
development of capital asset improvement.
    Section 101(d) would require VA to develop a standardized process 
to solicit feedback regularly from VA employees on ways to improve VA's 
capital asset management program. To the degree practicable, VA would 
have to align this process with the performance of market area 
assessments under 38 U.S.C. Sec.  7330C(a).
    Under section 101(e), VA would have to use the results of the 
report required under section 202 of the BUILD for Veterans Act in 
establishing offices, entities, or organizational structures required 
under subsection (a) and carrying out the requirements of this section.

    Position: VA does not support section 101. In general, throughout 
this bill, OALC should be corrected to read the Office of Construction 
and Facilities Management (CFM). Currently, 38 U.S.C. Sec.  312A gives 
the Executive Director of CFM authorities and responsibilities 
pertinent to this bill.
    VA does not support section 101. Current organizational structure 
within VA includes staff who are responsible for the functions set 
forth in the section. This would require extensive analysis and 
clarification on the specific goal. VHA is in the early stages of a 
facilities staffing methodology that will be informed by standard 
performance metrics, and this may require more than 540 days to develop 
a firm model. VA does not support subsection (c), which would define 
specific duties for offices or entities at VAMCs and would locate the 
management outside of the program office in certain circumstances. 
Given that subsection (a) already sets forth more general (and less 
prescriptive) requirements, subsection (c) is unnecessary and would 
make implementation more difficult. VA also does not support subsection 
(d), which would require a standardized process for soliciting 
feedback. VA is improving and standardizing planning processes that 
should satisfy the intent of this section without detailing specific 
requirements or parameters in statute. Allowing VA to define these 
requirements will ensure VA is responsive to and able to adapt to 
changing circumstances. VA will be transparent on how we are organizing 
to support improvements of VA's capital asset programs management and 
performance to better serve Veterans, their families, caregivers, and 
survivors.
    Section 102 would require VA, within 1 year of enactment, to 
develop goals and metrics to assess and monitor the performance of VA's 
capital asset management programs, including those carried out by a 
non-VA entity under 38 U.S.C. Sec.  8103(e)(1), to make sound decisions 
regarding infrastructure decisions in alignment with VA's mission and 
budget. VA would have to develop an internal dashboard or other tool to 
monitor progress toward meeting those goals, establish and implement 
governance processes to direct necessary changes to improve performance 
and achievement of those goals, and submit to Congress a report on the 
development of those goals and metrics, the implementation of the 
internal dashboard, and the internal governance process.

    Position: VA has no objection to section 102. VA supports section 
102, and VA has developed actionable capital program and asset goals 
and metrics that will help inform VA capital decisions and enhance 
long-term improvement of VA's capital efforts. VA will continue to 
assess whether additional measures would be helpful as the effort 
continues. There are no costs associated with section 102.
    Section 103 would require, within 180 days of enactment, VA and the 
Department of Defense (DoD) to add representatives from the Indian 
Health Service (IHS) and the Department of Health and Human Services 
(HHS) to the Capital Asset Planning Committee (CAPC) to facilitate 
Federal health infrastructure planning, coordination, and investment.

    Position: VA supports section 103. VA supports section 103 but 
defers to IHS and HHS. There are no costs associated with section 103.
    Section 201 would require VA to conduct a comprehensive review of 
the climate resilience of facilities, land, and other relevant capital 
assets that may be at risk due to changes in the climate. Within 540 
days of enactment, VA would have to submit to Congress a report with 
respect to mission critical VA capital assets and the actions VA will 
take in response to the findings of such review. Within 1 year of 
submitting this report, VA would have to submit an additional report to 
Congress detailing the results of this review for all VA capital assets 
and the actions VA will take in response to the findings of such 
review. VA would have to provide an update to this report to Congress 
at least once every 5 years after the submission of the additional 
report described above.

    Position: VA has no objection, if section 201 is amended, and 
subject to the availability of appropriations. VA supports the overall 
objectives of this section but would require an initial reporting 
deadline of 2 years (rather than 540 days) to allow VA sufficient time 
to develop requirements for the comprehensive assessment, conduct the 
assessment, and generate the recommendations for action as outlined in 
the bill. VA appreciates that the initial report in this version of the 
bill would be limited to assessing mission critical assets, which would 
still be a significant undertaking. VA would require additional 
staffing to meet these requirements. VA also recommends amending 
subsection (c)(2), which would require a report on all VA capital 
assets. VA recommends limiting this to only assets involving land in 
excess of 10 acres and buildings greater than 25,000 gross square feet 
under operation, ownership, and control by VA. The current language is 
very broad and would create requirements that are not feasible. Leases 
should be excluded if they are executed contracts that VA does not have 
unilateral ability to modify without reopening contract negotiations. 
VA estimates that the study of 152 VAMCs and 155 National Cemeteries 
will cost $134,510,000; owned assets only.
    Section 202(a) would require VA, within 1 year of enactment, to 
submit to Congress a strategic plan (a ``Strategic Plan to Improve VA's 
Delivery and Management of Capital Assets'') to improve the planning, 
management, budgeting, staffing, capacity, and performance by VA 
related to capital assets. This plan would have to consist of at least 
two parts: the first focused on the human capital needs for VA's 
capital asset and related areas workforce, and the second covering the 
methods undertaken by VA to accomplish changes to improve the planning, 
execution, and delivery of VA's capital asset projects. Section 202(b) 
would require VA to submit subsequently two additional reports 3 years 
apart providing updates on changes, actions taken, and other plans.

    Position: VA would have no objection, if section 202 is amended, 
and subject to the availability of appropriations. VA does not support 
the proposed Part 1 of the plan. VA is focused on the strategic 
initiatives needed to improve capital asset management, so redirecting 
that focus to reporting on individual positions would redirect 
resources allotted to the larger tasks at hand. While not in the detail 
requested, VA provides staffing figures in the organizational budget 
chapters within the President's Budget submission. We recommend Part 1 
of the plan be removed.
    VA does not object to the intent of the proposed Part 2 of the 
plan. VA is in the process of improving the planning, execution, and 
delivery of capital asset projects. VA submitted a report to the 
Subcommittees on Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Related 
Agencies of the Committees on Appropriations of the House of 
Representatives and the Senate in response to a request associated with 
the Fiscal Year (FY) 2020 appropriations act; we ask that the proposed 
Part 2 be revised to request an update to that plan with the same 
timeframe (1 year from enactment). VA believes these actions would 
require time to plan, program, and resource to meet this requirement. 
We also recommend removal of the subsequent reporting requirements 
under section 202(b). If these changes are made, VA would support this 
section. VA estimates Part 2 of the plan will cost $1.5 million.
    Section 203(a) would require VA, within 1 year of enactment and to 
the greatest extent practicable, to centralize and consolidate the 
management and oversight of all disposal and reuse activities within 
one office or suboffice of VA which have the sole focus of property 
disposal, including reuse, transfer, and demolition. The office or 
suboffice would have to focus on developing and implementing a 
measurable plan with yearly goals to dispose of, reuse, or transfer 
relevant capital assets. To the greatest extent practicable, VA would 
have to consolidate the functions and employees of the office or 
suboffice within one organization element of VA so as to improve 
effectiveness, efficiency, and accountability. Within 1 year of 
enactment, VA would have to submit to Congress a report on its actions 
to carry out this subsection.
    Section 203(b) would require VA to include as part of its annual 
budget submission a report containing a specific timeline to accomplish 
the disposal and reuse actions VA included in the disposal and reuse 
reports in the annual budget request. Among other elements, VA would 
have to consider the need for a dedicated fund to handle these vacant 
or unused properties.
    Section 203(c) would require VA, on an annual basis as part of its 
budget justification, to include a report on actions described in 
subsection (b).

    Position: VA does not support section 203. VA does not support the 
overall objectives of this section. As the bill itself acknowledges, VA 
already identifies properties annually via the Disposal and Reuse 
Report. Challenges with vacant and underutilized property, such as the 
historic nature, the location potentially within a campus, and limited 
funding make additional requirements for vacant property overly 
rigorous. This section would create unfunded requirements that would 
detract from other VA capital asset management efforts. The proposed 
organizational alignment would not provide any efficiencies or change 
internally who works together on these projects. The reporting 
requirements would be contingent on multiple factors, many of which are 
not in VA's control, and which could jeopardize VA's ability to submit 
the reports, as required.
    Section 204 would require VA to submit to Congress a report, not 
later than 180 days from the date of enactment, on potential options 
and alternatives to improve, reform, and provide more flexibility to 
VA's minor construction activities to increase effectiveness in 
commencing and delivering minor construction capital asset projects.

    Position: VA has no objection, if section 204 is amended, and 
subject to the availability of appropriations. VA supports, if amended. 
Section 204(c) needs to be updated to reflect the $30,000,000 threshold 
for major medical facility projects/minor construction limitation as 
adjusted in section 5001 of the National Defense Authorization Act for 
Fiscal Year 2024 (P.L. 118-31).
    Section 205 would require VA, not later than 180 days from the date 
of enactment, to report on any potential improvements to the alignment 
of funding for information technology to facilitate more effective and 
efficient activation of medical and other relevant space.

    Position: VA has no objection, if section 205 is amended, and 
subject to the availability of appropriations. VA is working on 
improvement plans. VA would require an initial reporting deadline of 1 
year, however, to allow sufficient time to complete the internal work 
and prepare a report. VA estimates this provision to include resources 
to cost $2 million.
    Section 206 would amend 38 U.S.C. Sec.  8120 to require VA to 
report, not later than 30 days after the end of the Fiscal Year and 
every 60 days thereafter through the fiscal year, detailed information 
on completed and planned key capital asset investments, including major 
construction, minor construction, non-recurring maintenance, leases, or 
other categories. VA would also be required to report on the same 
schedule described above, on the super construction projects carried 
out by the appropriate non-VA entity described in 38 U.S.C. Sec.  
8103(e)(1) during the year.

    Position: VA has no objection to section 206, subject to the 
availability of appropriations. VA supports parts of section 206. VA 
provides information on planned major construction, minor construction, 
major leases, minor leases, and non-recurring maintenance projects in 
Volume IV of its annual budget. Data on future awards for major 
construction and leases is provided in the individual project 
prospectuses and status summaries. Due to the planning and execution 
cycles for minor construction, minor leases, and non-recurring 
maintenance projects, reporting would be limited to projects scheduled 
to be awarded in the current budget year. VA also does not support the 
proposed section 8120(a)(2)(A)(ix); the observations of best practices, 
impediments, and accomplishments would be addressed in the report VA 
has suggested in response to section 202. The frequency of the 
reporting requirements for this section would be onerous and 
inconsistent with reporting substantial progress on a large 
construction project; VA suggests a biannual frequency (every 180 days) 
instead. VA believes these actions would require time to plan, program, 
and resource to meet these requirements. VA has other clarifying 
technical assistance it can provide on this section as well. For the 
part the VA supports, VA estimates a cost of $1 million.
    Section 207 would require VA, within 180 days of enactment and as 
part of its annual budget submission, to submit to Congress a report 
summarizing the projected amount of funding for infrastructure and 
capital assets needed over 10 fiscal years.

    Position: VA does not support section 207. VA does not support 
section 207. VA already provides the total 10-year, long range action 
plan capital requirement and the major construction 5-Year Development 
Plan (FYDP) requirements annually in the President's Budget request, 
Volume IV. The FYDP identifies major construction projects on which VA 
has begun active planning and could require additional funding in the 
next 5 budget years. The FYDP provides appropriate rigor to the 
planning process to ensure that proposed major construction projects 
make the best case possible for why they should receive funding, and 
the requested funding is a valid estimate of the actual cost to 
complete the identified projects. The long-range action plan also 
consists of new (not funded or partially funded) investments and 
includes individual capital projects and lump sum resource requirements 
over a 10-year planning horizon focused on reducing gaps, increasing 
efficiencies, and providing better services to Veterans. VA does not 
support breaking down the long-range plan into individual annual 
capital program requirements beyond the budget year request. Project 
cost estimates include acquisition costs only, which will likely change 
as projects move through the investment process, and requirements 
become more refined. Long range action plan projects in years 2 through 
10 and lump sum requirements are considered potential future year 
needs, and most cannot be credibly assigned a specific funding year 
while they are still being developed and prioritized.
    Section 208 would require the Office of Inspector General (OIG), 
not later than 3 years after enactment and at least twice during the 
following 6-year period, to submit to Congress a report examining the 
management and performance of relevant VA capital asset projects.

    Position: VA defers section 208 to OIG.
    Section 209 would require the Comptroller General to report to 
Congress, not later than 3 years after the date of enactment and 
triennially thereafter until the date that is 9 years after the date of 
enactment, on VA's progress toward meeting VA's goals, metrics, and 
other plans under this Act, particularly under sections 101, 102, and 
202.

    Position: VA defers section 209 to the Comptroller General.
    Section 210 would require VA, not later than 1 year after the date 
of enactment, to submit to Congress a report, disaggregated by VAMC or 
other relevant health care facility, on the physical infrastructure 
needed to provide dental services to eligible Veterans and the project-
by-project cost and total cost to establish this physical 
infrastructure and an estimated timeline to complete such projects upon 
receipt of appropriate funding.

    Position: VA does not support section 210. VA already provides much 
of the information required by this section through the Strategic 
Capital Investment Planning (SCIP) process. An additional report would 
be redundant.
    Sections 210, 211, 213, and 214 would require a focused investment 
plan aligned to one single program area (dental, long-term care, 
women's health, and research); however, VA is working toward more 
comprehensive capital plans and strategies that include these areas. In 
some markets, VA may need to establish a new hospital, and in that 
capital strategy, dental, long-term care, women's health, and research 
would all be components of that larger plan, but costs for each would 
not be identifiable because they would be tied to a larger investment. 
Further, through VA's market area assessments and development of high-
performing integrated health care networks, VA does not plan or assess 
individual components or programs like this. These sections aim to 
carve out distinct program areas and require development of capital 
investment needs focused on them, but these needs must be coordinated 
with the total market needs, larger facility master plans, and other 
development work. It is not feasible to provide the costs for specific 
components when these would be furnished as part of an integrated, 
larger, multi-focused capital plan.
    Section 211(a) would require VA, not later than 1 year after the 
date of enactment, to submit to Congress a report, disaggregated by 
VAMC or other relevant health care facility, on the physical 
infrastructure needed to support current and future anticipated long-
term care needs and models of care for Veterans, including 
infrastructure needed to support the delivery of long-term care for 
women Veterans, Veterans with spinal cord injuries and diseases (SCI/
D), Veterans with traumatic brain injury (TBI), Veterans with unique 
behavioral health needs, Veterans with memory loss, and other 
population groups with unique needs or projected future needs. VA would 
also need to include information regarding VA's plans to provide such 
care as VA builds internal capacity, but space is not yet available to 
meet the demand for such care, and with respect to any projects 
specified, the estimated individual project cost and total cost to 
accomplish those projects and the estimated individual project timeline 
to accomplish each such project upon receipt of appropriate funding.
    Section 211(b) would require VA to include in the report required 
under subsection (a) information on how VA's infrastructure 
prioritization processes, such as the SCIP process, could be modified 
to include higher prioritization of projects that support the provision 
of a health care service that is not widely available, or is not 
available in compliance with appropriate quality or access standards, 
from non-VA providers.
    Section 211(c) would further require VA, in developing the report 
under subsection (a), to consult with relevant regional and national 
program offices in VHA with responsibility to manage the various health 
care services covered by the report, including long-term care and care 
relating to SCI/D, to ensure the report contains a holistic, 
comprehensive, and integrated plan to address the capital asset and 
other space needs for this population.
    Section 211(d) would require VA, in the report under subsection 
(a), to indicate the projects that can be most efficiently and 
effectively accomplished through smaller individual infrastructure 
projects or through a larger medical facility replacement or new site 
of care.

    Position: VA does not support section 211. VA does not support 
section 211 for reasons set forth above in discussion of section 210. 
VA already provides much of the information required by this section 
through both the SCIP process and various reports to Congress. An 
additional report would be redundant.
    Section 212 would require VA to provide a report on the feasibility 
and advisability of requesting that Congress create a dedicated budget 
account from which VA would request funds based on relevant 
methodology, formulas, and percentages tied to the existing and future 
capital asset needs of VA, and if such funds are provided, to draw upon 
them to pay for maintenance, preventative maintenance, and repair of 
capital assets.

    Position: VA does not support section 212. VA does not support 
section 212. The Medical Facilities account supports the maintenance, 
preventative maintenance, and repair of VHA real property capital 
assets and related personal services costs. This account includes 1,717 
leases and is used to keep 5,598 owned buildings, parking lots, roads 
and walkways, and vehicles in good working condition, as well as 
maintaining a clean environment, linens, and medical equipment at all 
VHA facilities. Creation of a separate account would jeopardize the 
flexibility within the existing account to respond to changing workload 
demand requirements during the fiscal year.
    Section 213 would require VA to continue submitting to Congress a 
report on an annual basis for a 10-year period (or until all projects 
have been completed) on the Women Veterans Retrofit Initiative, as 
initially required under section 5102 of the Deborah Sampson Act of 
2020 (title V of P.L. 116-315; 38 U.S.C. Sec.  8110 note). The report 
would require identification of funding provided specifically to 
support the retrofitting requirements under section 5102 (Women's 
Health), which segregates these improvements from a facility integrated 
master plan.

    Position: VA does not support section 213. VA does not support this 
section for reasons set forth above in discussion of section 210. As 
part of the report required by section 5102, VA provides a list of 
projects to be funded in a given fiscal year, the status of those 
projects, and provides a 5-year plan that represents the items 
requested in subsection C that is being added. This section does not 
appear to expand beyond what is already provided and is duplicative.
    To date, no additional funds have been provided so reporting has 
been limited to planned projects, but VA anticipates funding from 
normal appropriations. Expansion of reporting and more focused 
management on prioritization of these investments would require 
significant resources to fulfill this recurring requirement.
    Section 214 would require VA, not later than 1 year after the date 
of enactment, to submit to Congress a report on the capital asset and 
information technology needs of VA's research and development 
facilities.

    Position: VA does not support section 214. VA does not support 
section 214 for reasons set forth above in discussion of section 210. 
VA already provides much of the information required by section 214 
through reports on facility infrastructure needs for research and 
development through the SCIP process, which is submitted to Congress 
annually. An additional report would be redundant.
    Section 215 would require VA to review all relevant authorities, 
including those in 38 U.S.C. Sec.  312A to determine whether the 
provisions of such authority are still meaningful, relevant, and 
reflect the current operational needs, organizational structure, and 
all other requirements for the full life-cycle of effective and 
efficient management of capital assets. VA would have to report to 
Congress, not later than 270 days after the date of enactment, on 
whether these authorities should be revised to align more closely with 
current and future projected operational needs.

    Position: VA has no objection, if section 215 is amended, and 
subject to the availability of appropriations. VA supports the overall 
objectives of this section but recommends the reporting timeframe be 
adjusted until after the implementation of the efforts currently 
underway and otherwise proposed in this legislation. If the due date 
were moved to 18 months from the date of enactment, this would allow VA 
time to continue enhancing enterprise integration and fully address any 
gaps in the legislation. VA believes these actions would require time 
to plan, program, and resource to meet these requirements. VA estimates 
this provision will cost $2 million.
    Section 216 would require VA to submit to Congress a report, within 
1 year of enactment, on actions VA is taking or plans to take to 
enhance VA's ability to prevent, detect, and report waste, fraud, and 
abuse occurring in capital asset projects. The report would have to 
include an assessment of whether new training or enhancements to 
existing training should be undertaken and recommendations for such 
legislative and administrative action as VA determines appropriate. In 
carrying out this section, VA would have to consult with OIG and the 
Comptroller General on matters relating to best practices and 
strategies to improve detection and prevention by VA of waste, fraud, 
and abuse in capital asset projects and management, and VA could 
consult with such other persons and entities as VA considers 
appropriate.

    Position: VA does not support section 216. While VA agrees with the 
need to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in all VA programs and 
operations, including those involving capital asset projects, this 
section would provide VA no additional authority to handle such issues; 
portions of this section are also vague and unclear as to what would be 
within the scope of this section. VA already incorporates 
recommendations from OIG, the Comptroller General, and others on how to 
detect and prevent waste, fraud, and abuse, so it is unlikely that this 
section would result in any substantive improvements to VA's systems 
and processes. If Congress chooses to retain this section, VA 
recommends at least that the report be due not later than 1 year after 
submission of the OIG report required by section 208.

H.R. 3303 Maternal Health for Veterans Act

    Section 2(a) of H.R. 3303 would require VA, not later than 1 year 
after the date of the enactment of this Act, and annually thereafter 
until September 30, 2028, to submit to Congress a report that contains 
a summary of the activities carried out by VA relating to the 
coordination of maternity health care, data on the maternal health 
outcomes of Veterans who receive VA care (whether in a VA facility or 
through the Veterans Community Care Program (VCCP), and recommendations 
to improve the maternal health outcomes of Veterans, with a particular 
focus on Veterans from demographic groups with elevated rates of 
maternal mortality, severe maternal morbidity, maternal health 
disparities, or other adverse perinatal or childbirth outcomes.
    Section 2(b) of the bill would authorize to be appropriated $15 
million for each of FYs 2024-2028 for VA programs relating to the 
coordination of maternity health care, including the maternity care 
coordination program described in VHA Directive 1330.03; Maternity 
Health Care and Coordination. Amounts authorized would be in addition 
to any other amounts authorized for the coordination of VA maternity 
health care.

    Position: VA supports, if amended, and subject to the provision of 
appropriations. Section 2 is in alignment with many of VA's current 
efforts to enhance health and health outcomes for pregnant Veterans, 
where we are gathering and analyzing data and focusing on high-risk 
groups. VA is disaggregating data on severe maternal morbidity (SMM) by 
Veterans' race and ethnicity, age, and residence (urban or rural area) 
on a quarterly basis and will evaluate trends over time; the first 
quarterly data was available for review in February 2024. This month, 
VA will finish developing and implementing a systematic process to 
compile and review data on VA Maternity Care Coordinators' (MCC) 
required completion of mental health screening and screening results.
    VA is tracking severe maternal morbidity and mortality and has 
improved its data collection efforts to support real-time tracking of 
conditions and health outcomes. We recognize the critical importance of 
maternity care and have taken significant steps to improve the delivery 
of such care to Veterans. Every VHA facility offers maternity care 
coordination. VA MCCs understand the needs of Veterans and support them 
through every stage of pregnancy and the postpartum period. Beginning 
October 1, 2023, VA expanded the national MCC Program to include follow 
up of postpartum Veterans for 12 months after delivery, and VA 
increased the number of contacts with Veterans from 4 to 8 during this 
period. Through these contacts, MCCs screen pregnant and postpartum 
Veterans for social determinants of health, mental health risk factors, 
relationship health and safety, and health risks (such as gestational 
diabetes and hypertensive disorders of pregnancy). Identifying these 
maternal risk factors allows VA MCCs to connect pregnant and postpartum 
Veterans with VA health care providers and resources, ensuring access 
to care and follow-up screening. This follow up has proven necessary 
because of the significant proportion of poor maternal outcomes that 
can happen in the late postpartum period.
    VA has tremendous resources to offer pregnant and postpartum 
Veterans, including primary care, mental health care, treatment for 
substance use disorder, intimate partner violence assistance, housing 
assistance, and resources to address food insecurity. VA also 
identifies peri-pregnancy Veterans at increased risk to offer clinical 
intervention, connect them with resources, provide care, and reduce 
pregnancy-associated morbidity and death.
    VA has also created a training module for community health care 
providers to establish a basic understanding of mental and physical 
health diagnoses common in Veterans, military culture, trauma-sensitive 
care principles, and suicide awareness and prevention. This web-based 
course is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and offers a variety 
of accreditations to multiple health care disciplines.
    Regarding the bill's specific requirements, VA can and does provide 
data requested by Congress, so an additional reporting requirement in 
statute is not technically necessary. We note there is some ambiguity 
in the bill text, as it would require VA to provide ``data on the 
maternal health outcomes of Veterans who receive medical care or 
services'' furnished by VA (whether in VA facilities or through VCCP). 
This language is not limited to Veterans who receive maternity care 
furnished by VA (we note for clarity that currently, no VA medical 
facility furnishes maternity care; all maternity care for eligible 
Veterans is authorized under VCCP). Instead, VA would be required to 
report on maternal health outcomes for any Veteran who receives any 
care from VA. VA would not have this data available unless it had 
authorized maternity care. In this light, the bill may be improved by 
amending this to refer to ``data on the maternal health outcomes of 
Veterans who receive maternity care services furnished...'' by VA. VA 
would be able to provide this information.
    Regarding section 2(b), VA believes that its Fiscal Year 2024 
President's Budget request is sufficient to implement its current 
authorities and programs without any additional funding. We would 
recommend the bill be updated to refer to Fiscal Year 2025-2029, as FY 
2024 is already underway, and VA would face challenges in allocating 
any additional funds, even if appropriated, within this period of time 
to implement this bill. If this bill were to be enacted without 
updating to Fiscal Year 2025a, this would require a shift in resources 
from other programs to support these initiatives. This could entail the 
reallocation of funds from other high-priority efforts. VA estimates a 
total 5-year cost of $1.9 million to carry out this report.

H.R. 3584 Veterans Cannabis Analysis, Research, and Effectiveness 
(CARE) Act

    Section 2(a) of the bill would require VA, in carrying out 
responsibilities under 38 U.S.C. Sec.  7303, to conduct and support 
research relating to the efficacy and safety of certain forms of 
cannabis on the health outcomes of Veterans enrolled in VA care who are 
diagnosed with chronic pain, PTSD, and other conditions determined 
appropriate by VA. VA would have to ensure that such research is 
conducted in accordance with applicable regulations relating to the 
oversight of research, including regulations prescribed by VA's Office 
of Research and Development, HHS through the National Institute on Drug 
Abuse (NIDA), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Drug 
Enforcement Administration, and the National Institutes of Health.
    Section 2(b) would require that this research include a mechanism 
to ensure the preservation of all data, including all data sets 
collected or used for this research, in a manner that will facilitate 
further research.
    Section 2(c) would define the forms of cannabis to be evaluated in 
the research required by subsection (a). Specifically, this would 
include varying forms of cannabis, including full plants and extracts, 
at least three different strains of cannabis with significant variants 
in phenotypic traits and various ratios of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) 
and cannabidiol (CBD) in chemical composition, and other chemical 
analogs of THC. This would also include varying methods of cannabis 
delivery, including topical application, combustible and non-
combustible inhalation, and ingestion.
    Section 2(d) would require VA, before conducting and supporting 
such research, to submit a plan to Congress and to issue any requests 
for proposals VA determines appropriate for implementation.
    Section 2(e) would require VA to submit annual reports to Congress 
during the 5-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this 
Act on the implementation of this section.
    Section 2(f) would define the term ``covered veteran'' to mean 
Veterans enrolled in VA health care.

    Position: VA supports, if amended, and subject to the availability 
of appropriations. We are concerned that, as drafted, the bill is too 
prescriptive in its design. In particular, section 2(c) raises concerns 
as full plant products contain high levels of THC as well as other 
molecules that have undetermined therapeutic benefit or harmful 
effects.
    VA generally supports efforts to study the effects of cannabis 
products on the health outcomes of users of such products to determine 
whether the use of such products can benefit Veterans who have been 
diagnosed with PTSD and who are experiencing chronic pain or other 
conditions as deemed appropriate by VA. We recommend extensive 
amendments to this bill, though, to ensure that its requirements would 
yield scientifically and clinically valid results. VA recommends 
convening subject matter experts from within VA and from other Federal 
entities (e.g., NIDA, FDA) to develop and implement a plan for an 
observational study on the effects of cannabis products on the health 
outcomes of users of such products, including but not limited to 
covered Veterans. Enabling VA to coordinate with other agencies would 
result in unbiased data collection and the ability to focus on specific 
methods and dosages of those cannabis compounds that may be more 
beneficial to health outcomes. Further, the data that result from the 
collaborative, retrospective analysis would be robust and would likely 
allow VA to render a determination as to the advisability of proceeding 
with additional clinical trials.
    VA also recommends that it be charged with determining the 
feasibility and advisability of establishing patient registries to 
support research to provide insight into how cannabis products are used 
and associated with medical outcomes. This would be methodologically 
sound and would buildupon existing efforts and research to inform 
conclusions based on the latest, evidence-based work. It would also 
support the goal of section 2(b) by ensuring that this work would 
support future efforts as well.
    VA further recommends that, as it determines necessary, it be 
required to initiate additional scientifically peer-reviewed clinical 
trials to determine the safety and efficacy of cannabis-derived 
pharmaceutical products or cannabinoid pharmaceutical products. Section 
2(c) of the bill recognizes that variations in dosages of cannabis and 
their effects on either chronic pain or PTSD could result in different 
outcomes due to variations in cannabinoids and variations in potencies 
that arise from different methods of administration (e.g., smoking, 
edible, transdermal). If VA conducted additional clinical trials, it 
could control for these variables to determine if specific methods of 
administration or specific dosages were more effective than others. VA 
also could carry out additional scientifically peer-reviewed clinical 
trials, as appropriate, to determine whether the reported benefits of 
the use of cannabis-derived pharmaceutical products or cannabinoid 
pharmaceutical products in the general population could be replicated 
in the population of covered Veterans.
    We further recommend that any agency or Department of the Federal 
Government be exempt from the Paperwork Reduction Act in terms of the 
voluntary collection of information during the conduct of research 
engaged in or supported under this section. This would remove a 
potential barrier to collaborations with other Federal agencies, and 
this language would mirror the authority recently granted to VA through 
38 U.S.C. Sec.  7330D (as added by section 181 of the Joseph Maxwell 
Cleland and Robert Joseph Dole Memorial Veterans Benefits and Health 
Care Improvement Act of 2022 (Division U of P.L. 117-328)).
    VA is already conducting clinical trials related to cannabis and 
would use existing criteria applicable to those studies for the purpose 
of assessing the feasibility of future clinical trials. VA has utilized 
the scientific peer review system and is currently supporting a 
clinical trial of CBD prescribed at a fixed dosage, not the entire 
plant, titled ``Cannabidiol as an Adjunctive to Prolonged Exposure for 
the Treatment of PTSD'' to treat PTSD where CBD is used as an add-on 
treatment to standard of care psychotherapy. This study was recently 
extended, until December 2024, and results will be available after the 
study's completion.
    VA proposes clarifying that the eligibility or entitlement of a 
covered Veteran to any other benefit under law would not be affected by 
the Veteran's participation in any research or trial under this 
section. VA also recommends including a provision stating that nothing 
in this section would affect or modify other specific laws or 
authorities affecting other Federal agencies.
    VA also proposes a new section 3 that would authorize to be 
appropriated additional funds to the Medical and Prosthetic Research 
account and the Information Technology Systems account for purposes of 
carrying out these provisions. Appropriated funds would remain 
available until expended. This would ensure that sufficient resources 
could be made available to support both research and necessary 
information technology projects to implement these requirements.
    Finally, we note that Congress recently enacted the Medical 
Marijuana and Cannabidiol Research Expansion Act (P.L. 117-215), which 
established new provisions of law and amended various provisions in 
titles 21 and 42 of the United States Code regarding research on CBD 
and marijuana. While this law does not provide a needed authority to 
VA, given that VA already funds clinical trials that include medical 
uses of marijuana for conditions that impact Veterans, we do note that 
it may enable VA and other parties to conduct research on medical 
marijuana more easily. However, the Department of Justice and HHS have 
primary responsibility for implementing the provisions of this new Act, 
and until those Departments have issued guidance or regulations to 
implement these new authorities, it may be premature to begin new 
research under processes that may be outdated. The proposed amendments 
described above would provide these agencies time to issue guidance or 
regulations, and the coordination requirements in the proposed 
amendments would ensure VA's efforts are aligned with other Federal 
agencies. We also suggest that the Subcommittee solicit HHS for its 
views on this bill.
    VA would be happy to provide specific amendments to the bill text 
and to discuss our recommendations further with the Committee.

H.R. 3644 Addressing Care Timelines (ACT) for Veterans Act

    Section 2(a) of the bill would amend 38 U.S.C. Sec.  1703(a)(3), 
which generally limits VA to furnishing care or services under VCCP to 
care or services authorized by the Secretary. The bill would amend this 
authority to provide that, in the case of emergency treatment furnished 
to a covered Veteran by an eligible entity or provider in the course of 
authorized care or services, VA could deem such emergency treatment to 
be authorized if the covered Veteran (or someone acting on the 
Veteran's behalf) or the eligible entity or provider submitted notice 
to VA in such form and containing such information as VA may determine 
appropriate. VA could not require such notification to be submitted 
earlier than 96 hours after the date on which such eligible entity or 
provider furnishes such emergency treatment to a covered Veteran. The 
term ``emergency treatment'' would have the same meaning given that 
term in 38 U.S.C. Sec.  1725.
    Section 2(b) of the bill would provide that these amendments would 
take effect on the date that is 1 year after the date of the enactment 
of this Act.

    Position: VA does not support. VA currently authorizes emergency 
care furnished by an authorized entity or provider if VA is notified 
within 72 hours of the start of such care for covered veterans. VA has 
been reviewing the existing ``72-hour rule'' under 38 C.F.R. 17.4020(c) 
to determine whether changes are appropriate, including whether 
reliance on other statutory authorities (such as 38 U.S.C. Sec. Sec.  
1725 and 1728) might be more appropriate. VA would welcome the 
opportunity to discuss potentially broader reforms regarding 
eligibility for and administration of emergency care benefits to 
simplify the process for Veterans and VA.
    The bill would generally expand VA's current 72-hour rule, which 
allows VA to authorize under the VCCP emergency care or services when 
VA is notified of such care within 72 hours of that care beginning. The 
bill, however, would extend this period to 96 hours, and it would 
potentially extend this even further. Current regulations provide that 
notice must be provided ``within 72 hours of the beginning of such 
treatment,'' while the bill would refer to ``after the date on which 
such health care provider furnishes such emergency treatment.'' In this 
context, the bill's language could mean that the 96-hour notice period 
would not begin until 12:01 a.m. of the date after care begins. VA is 
unclear whether this is the intent, but we recommend clarifying this 
language. If this is the intent and result, this would require systems 
and process changes to ensure accurate adjudication.
    Additionally, we note that the phrase ``in the course of care or 
services authorized under subparagraph (A)'' could unintentionally 
narrow the scope of this text. As written, it would seem the authority 
to deem emergency treatment as authorized would only apply in 
situations where that emergency treatment was furnished during the 
delivery of other care or services. In other words, if a Veteran had 
been authorized by VA to see an orthopedist for a hip injury, and if 
during an appointment with the orthopedist, the Veteran had a heart 
attack that required emergency treatment, VA could deem that emergency 
treatment as covered. Currently, under VA's 72-hour rule, any emergency 
treatment, whether furnished ``in the course of care or services 
authorized'' by VA or not, that is furnished by an eligible entity or 
provider to a covered Veteran can be authorized within 72 hours of the 
emergency care or services being furnished. See 38 C.F.R. 
17.4020(c)(2). In this context, if the bill is interpreted to override 
VA's discretionary authority under the 72-hour rule, the resulting 
benefit may be significantly narrower than VA's current authority.
    Although section 2(b) of the bill would make the amendments 
effective 1 year from the date of the enactment of this Act, this could 
still present complications and could be a difficult timeline to meet. 
VA would need to update its regulations to reflect this change (which 
would normally take more than 1 year to complete), making this timeline 
unrealistic. Separately, but related, VA would need different 
contractual terms than are currently in place to give effect to this 
change; that would either require a modification of current contracts 
or inclusion of these terms in future contracts. VA's efforts to 
develop the next generation of Community Care Network (CCN) contracts 
are already underway, so attempting to modify current contracts would 
likely not be feasible or advisable. If VA attempted to include this in 
the next generation contracts, this could delay the award of such 
contracts, and if these delays resulted in a gap between the expiration 
of the existing contracts and the award of the next contract, this gap 
could have significant consequences in terms of Veterans' access to 
community care.
    We appreciate that this bill reflects and incorporated most of the 
technical assistance VA provided on an earlier draft of this bill. 
These changes improved the clarity of the bill in several ways from the 
prior draft.

H.R. 3649 Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Treatment Act

    Section 2(a) of the bill would require VA to implement a pilot 
program to furnish hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) to Veterans with 
TBI or PTSD through health care providers who are not VA employees, 
Medicare providers, DoD, IHS, or federally qualified health centers.
    Section 2(b) would require VA to select three Veterans Integrated 
Service Networks (VISN) in which to operate the pilot program.
    Section 2(c) would establish in the general fund of the Treasury 
the VA HBOT Fund; the sole source of moneys for the Fund would be from 
donations received by VA for the express purposes of the Fund. Amounts 
in the Fund would be available without fiscal year limitation to pay 
for HBOT, and the Fund would terminate on the day that is 5 years after 
the date of the enactment of this Act (as established by section 2(d)).
    Section 2(e) would define HBOT to mean hyperbaric oxygen therapy 
with a medical device either approved by the FDA or issued an 
investigational device exemption by the FDA.

    Position: VA strongly opposes. VA, DoD, and others have conducted 
extensive research on the efficacy of HBOT on TBI, and the research has 
found no support for this as an effective treatment (particularly for 
mild TBI). In fact, there is a strong clinical basis that HBOT is not 
recommended for treating TBI. There is no evidence to support a 
sufficient basis for HBOT as a treatment for PTSD either. In this 
context, we are concerned that this bill could result in adverse health 
outcomes for participating Veterans; there is also little ability to 
monitor performance with definitive, evidence-based metrics. The bill 
also would result in significant burdens on Veterans in terms of the 
time commitment involved in treatment and potential personal liability 
for portions of treatment that are not covered by VA (such as travel or 
room and board, if applicable). Further, the resources associated with 
providing this treatment in terms of clinical and administrative time 
would mean fewer resources for evidence-based therapies for Veterans.
    In 2017, VA initiated a clinical (non-research) program to evaluate 
the feasibility of referring Veterans diagnosed with PTSD (with or 
without a history of mild TBI) for HBOT treatment provided by DoD or 
community providers. This clinical program evaluation was designed to 
better understand the treatment protocol requirements and burdens on 
Veterans and VA in the context of PTSD treatment. The evaluation was 
not designed to examine or measure the efficacy of HBOT as a treatment 
for PTSD, TBI, or any other indication. VA proactively began the 
clinical program evaluation to understand the logistical and 
administrative requirements and barriers for providing this treatment 
for these indications, which are considered ``off-label'' because they 
have not been approved by FDA. VA's clinical program evaluation found 
that fewer than half of the Veterans referred completed the full course 
of HBOT treatment. Some Veterans were not interested in engaging or 
continuing treatment due to the treatment schedule (appointments are 
scheduled for 1-2 hours per day, 5 days a week, for 4-8 weeks) and the 
need to travel or because of the availability of evidence-based 
treatment alternatives. We anticipate that similar results could occur 
if this bill were enacted, in which case Veterans would be delayed in 
receiving evidence-based care to treat their conditions.
    VA and DoD have developed evidence-based clinical practice 
guidelines (CPG) for both TBI and PTSD; the most recent update for the 
TBI CPGs was completed in June 2021, while the most recent update for 
the PTSD CPGs was completed in June 2023. The CPGs for PTSD found there 
is insufficient evidence to recommend for or against HBOT as a 
treatment for PTSD. The CPGs for TBI strongly recommend against the use 
of HBOT for the treatment of patients with symptoms attributed to mild 
TBI. Reviews of available research found no evidence of improved 
symptom severity and only a mixed effect on quality of life. When HBOT 
was compared to a sham intervention (effectively, a placebo treatment), 
HBOT actually was associated with decreased quality of life at long-
term follow up at 2 and 3 years. In addition to the lack of patient 
improvement, the use of HBOT after mild TBI may have harmful impacts, 
including seizures. Emerging treatments are often marketed to patients 
struggling with chronic symptoms, and providers need to understand the 
potential negative impacts that referrals for unfounded treatments can 
have on the provider-patient relationship. The CPGs explain that when 
treatments do not work, it may lead to disappointment, damage to a 
patient's trust, an increase in the likelihood of the patient taking on 
a ``sick role,'' and even harm to the patient. Given the evidence of 
harm in the literature and FDA's findings, the CPGs conclude that HBOT 
is not currently identified as a safe or effective treatment after mild 
TBI.
    VA also has procedural concerns with this bill. Initially, the bill 
seems to establish a parallel program to VCCP for HBOT. Congress 
enacted VCCP to consolidate the various community care programs and to 
simplify eligibility by establishing a common set of criteria to 
determine when Veterans would qualify for community care. This bill 
appears to require VA to furnish this care exclusively through non-VA 
providers regardless of whether VA could furnish treatment for PTSD or 
TBI. The bill expressly excludes VA, Medicare, DoD, and IHS providers, 
as well as federally qualified health centers. Given this narrow range 
of potentially eligible entities, it is not clear that VA would have 
any means to verify the quality of those providers or the quality of 
services they would furnish under this bill. Additionally, this narrow 
scope of eligible providers could both limit Veterans' access to timely 
care and would very likely increase costs to VA as there would likely 
need to be a separate referral, scheduling, and follow-up process 
created for this authority. We recognize that there is a limited number 
of providers and HBOT treatment centers, but imposing additional 
restrictions would seem to make implementation more difficult and 
costly. Further, given that multiple treatments are often required and 
the limited number of providers, the likelihood that Veterans would 
need to travel to receive this care is high. This may be inconvenient 
and place a significant financial burden on patients.
    The bill does not define which Veterans could receive care under 
this authority; it is unclear whether this is limited to enrolled 
Veterans or if another population would apply. Additionally, there are 
no criteria set forth in the bill to determine when HBOT would be 
offered to Veterans--whether this would be required to be a treatment 
of first resort or last resort, purely at the Veteran's election, or as 
otherwise clinically indicated. We emphasize that providers must 
determine that care is medically necessary and in the best interest of 
the patient to furnish it in accordance with current legal and ethical 
standards. We would infer these requirements would continue to apply if 
this legislation were to become law in the absence of specific language 
to this effect, but we recommend the bill include such requirements to 
reduce the potential for confusion. Given the CPGs described above 
strongly recommend against the use of HBOT for the treatment of 
patients with symptoms attributed to mild TBI, it is not clear that VA 
actually could refer such patients for treatment.
    The funding mechanism proposed in this bill also raises significant 
questions and concerns. No other VA program operates under such 
parameters as proposed by this bill, so VA would need to develop new 
procedures and requirements to govern the use of an account like this. 
It is unclear whether there would be sufficient funds donated to VA to 
cover the costs of treatment. VA would need to wait until there were 
sufficient resources in the new HBOT Fund to support the delivery of 
care, which could delay VA's implementation of this (potentially by 
months or years). VA would need to develop new processes and procedures 
to determine who would manage these funds in VA and how the funding 
would be distributed. It is also unclear whether a new administrative 
office would be needed to handle the financial aspects that are unique 
to this arrangement. This could result in additional oversight costs 
that would divert funds from Veterans care.
    In general, if Congress proposes to require VA to operate a new 
program, conventional appropriations measures would make it more 
feasible to carry out. This both ensures accountability for Congress 
(by ensuring Congress is responsible for funding these programs 
appropriately) and reliability for VA (by ensuring that there is a 
clear and dedicated resource pool for different programs).
    The bill also lacks critical elements, such as a clear termination 
date--the bill only refers to the termination of the HBOT Fund, not the 
program authority in the first place, which would seemingly require VA 
to continue the program after the termination of the HBOT Fund (meaning 
within current appropriations accounts). In the absence of further 
clarity, VA would likely have challenges with implementing this bill, 
and this could further increase administrative expenses that would 
divert funds from other evidence-based care.

H.R. 4424 Vietnam Veterans Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act

    Section 2(a) of the bill would require VA, not later than 120 days 
after the date of the enactment of this Act, in consultation with the 
Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), to 
commence an epidemiological study on the prevalence of 
cholangiocarcinoma in covered Veterans of the Vietnam era. This study 
would need to use data from the VA Central Cancer Registry and the 
National Program of Cancer Registries. The study would have to identify 
the rate of incidence of cholangiocarcinoma in covered Veterans in the 
Vietnam era and in residents of the United States (U.S.) from the 
beginning of the Vietnam era to the date of the enactment of this Act. 
For each of these two groups, the study would have to identify the 
percentage of individuals with cholangiocarcinoma by various 
demographic characteristics, including age, gender, race, ethnicity, 
and the geographic location of the patient at the time of diagnosis.
    Section 2(b) would require VA, within 1 year of completing this 
study, to submit to Congress a report that contains the results of the 
study and recommendations for administrative or legislative actions 
required to address issues identified in the study.
    Section 2(c) would require VA to track the prevalence of 
cholangiocarcinoma in covered Veterans of the Vietnam era using the VA 
Central Cancer Registry and provide such information to Congress in 
periodic follow-up reports (as required by section 2(d)).
    Section 2(e) would define the term ``covered veterans of the 
Vietnam era'' to mean Veterans who served in the Vietnam theater of 
operations during the Vietnam era.

    Position: VA does not support. VA fully supports the need to 
conduct research to understand the health risks and conditions of 
Veterans who served in combat areas or were otherwise placed at higher 
risk due to their military service; however, the bill's requirements 
would not be as useful to VA as VA's current efforts. For nearly a 
century, VA research and development has been improving the lives of 
Veterans and all Americans through health care discovery and 
innovation. Congress' generous support of more than $900 million for VA 
research supports more than 7,000 active research projects designed to 
enhance the delivery of care for Veterans and others.
    Cholangiocarcinoma is a rare cancer of the biliary tract, which is 
comprised of the gallbladder and bile ducts. Liver fluke infection is a 
type of parasitic infection that is prevalent in Southeast Asia and is 
acquired from the ingestion of raw or poorly cooked freshwater fish 
infected by this parasite. Liver fluke infection is a well-recognized 
risk factor for the development of cholangiocarcinoma. Liver flukes can 
survive in human bile ducts for decades and can cause a state of 
inflammation that can lead to cholangiocarcinoma, a cancer that is 
diagnosed far more commonly in countries like Thailand and Vietnam than 
in the U.S. Vietnam War Veterans have been concerned about exposure to 
liver flukes during deployment and subsequent development of 
cholangiocarcinoma.
    Other risk factors for cholangiocarcinoma are biliary tract 
diseases such as primary sclerosing cholangitis (an autoimmune 
disease), chronic cholelithiasis (bile duct stones), cirrhosis (liver 
scarring from several causes), and infections such as Hepatitis B or C. 
An evaluation of VA health records in 2018 indicated that Vietnam 
Veterans who receive VA health care have similar or lower age-adjusted 
incidence rates of cholangiocarcinoma when compared with the U.S. 
population in most age categories (fewer than the U.S. rate of 1.6 
cases/100,000 persons/year). VA does recommend that all Veterans who 
have not been tested for Hepatitis B or C in the past obtain those 
tests, as there is definitive treatment available to clear most 
Hepatitis B and C viral infections.
    VA also has a current research study on rates and causes of 
mortality in Vietnam era Veterans. An analysis of deaths from 1979-2019 
from cholangiocarcinoma is in final stages of preparation for 
submission to a peer-reviewed scientific journal. This analysis 
compares deaths from cholangiocarcinoma between all Veterans who served 
in the Southeast Asia theater of operations and all of those Veterans 
who served elsewhere in the world during the Vietnam War era. Because 
cholangiocarcinoma has a very high mortality rate, comparing death 
rates is an accurate way of counting cases and comparing incidence of 
this unfortunate cancer. VA's mortality study is very likely the most 
definitive way that the real incidence of cholangiocarcinoma can be 
measured because counting cases of Veterans who receive health care in 
VA does not include all Vietnam-era Veterans nor all diagnoses of 
cholangiocarcinoma as Veterans receive care outside VA. VA designed 
this study in collaboration with scientists from the Uniformed Services 
University of the Health Sciences. The VA mortality study shows that 
there is no difference in mortality rates from cholangiocarcinoma among 
all Vietnam-War deployed Veterans compared to all Veterans who served 
elsewhere in the world during the era, except for Marines. Vietnam War-
deployed Marines appear to have a higher rate of death from 
cholangiocarcinoma compared to non-deployed Marine Vietnam Veterans. 
The reasons for this cannot be definitively determined; data to compare 
risk factors (including exposure to undercooked fish and diagnoses of 
liver fluke infections) are not available. It is possible that Marine 
deployment locations or experiences resulted in greater exposure to 
liver fluke infections, but other risk factors could explain this 
outcome as well. These research results, once peer reviewed, will be 
communicated to Veterans and clinicians to be watchful for signs and 
symptoms of cholangiocarcinoma.
    Given VA's observations with existing studies, the bill's 
requirements would not be as useful to the agency as VA's current 
efforts at this time. Any additional epidemiological study would face 
significant hurdles in counting cases because of the lack of available 
and comprehensive health care data (such as cancer diagnoses and risk 
factors) on the entire population of Vietnam-era Veterans over the 
years since the war, whereas VA has conducted this mortality study by 
compiling a roster of all Vietnam Veterans along with a data base of 
their death dates and causes. For example, reliable health care 
encounter data are available only from 2000 forward for both DoD and 
VA. Thus, there is at minimum a 25-year gap (1975 to 2000) where we 
would be unable to ascertain cholangiocarcinoma incidence. As noted 
earlier, given the high mortality of cholangiocarcinoma, using 
cholangiocarcinoma mortality as the primary outcome in the Vietnam-era 
Mortality Study provides the most robust epidemiologic assessment of 
this condition in Vietnam-era Veterans. We do not believe the bill 
would provide additional information that would justify the resources 
needed for implementation.
    Further, section 505 of the Sergeant First Class Heath Robinson 
Honoring our Promise to Address Comprehensive Toxics (PACT) Act of 2022 
(P.L. 117-168) requires a review of cancer rates among Veterans. In 
implementing this requirement, VA has developed a bilateral agreement 
with State tumor cancer registries, which have accurate current data on 
cancer diagnoses and which could be leveraged to further the work this 
bill proposes to undertake. In this regard, VA is effectively already 
meeting the requirements of this bill. VA also suggest that the 
Subcommittee solicit HHS for its views on this bill.

H.R. 5247 Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act of 2023

    H.R. 5247 would add a new section 7406A to title 38, United States 
Code, to allow VA to begin the process of appointing a psychiatrist 
before the psychiatrist completes a residency sponsored by or 
affiliated with VA, provided the individual meets the requirements in 
the VA qualification standards for psychiatrists. VA could appoint a 
psychiatrist under the proposed section 7406A(a) if the position 
remained unfilled for at least 35 days or more.

    Position: VA does not support. VA does not support this bill 
because it is redundant given existing policy and authorities. VA 
currently has authority to begin the appointment process for 
psychiatrists prior to their completion of a residency contingent upon 
them meeting the qualification requirements by the time of appointment. 
VA focuses on expediting the hiring of both current and former trainees 
based on their qualifications.

H.R. 5530 VA Emergency Transportation Access Act

    Section 2(a) of the bill would provide that VA may not change the 
rate of payment or reimbursement provided for the transportation of a 
Veteran or other eligible individual on a special mode of 
transportation, as in effect on January 1, 2023, unless such change 
would increase the rate of such payment or reimbursement or, before the 
effective date of such change, VA: (1) conducted a thorough review and 
analysis of the effects of the change on VA, industry, and Veterans; 
(2) developed a formal process to ensure any changes made to such rate 
would not reduce Veterans' access to care; and (3) ensured the new rate 
reflects, at a minimum, the actual cost of such transportation.
    Section 2(b) would require VA, in carrying out any such review and 
developing any process, to consult with a committee made up of relevant 
industry experts, representatives from the Centers for Medicare and 
Medicaid Services (CMS), VA employees with subject matter expertise in 
various areas (transportation, access to care, integrated Veteran care, 
rural Veterans, Native American Veterans, and other matters determined 
appropriate), and representatives of VSOs.
    Section 2(c) would require that, not later than 2 years before the 
effective date of any change made to the rate of payment or 
reimbursement for special mode transportation that affects the payable 
rate under any contract, VA would have to establish a template and a 
standardized process for entering into and making changes to rates in 
effect under such contract, issue guidance about the use of such 
template and process within VA and across the industry associated with 
special mode transportation, and submit a report to Congress that 
includes a description of the template and process.
    Section 2(d) would define the term ``special mode of 
transportation'' to mean an ambulance, ambulette, air ambulance, 
wheelchair van, or other mode of transportation specially designed to 
transport disabled persons. The term would not include a mode of 
transportation not specifically designed to transport disabled persons 
(such as buses, subways, taxis, trains, or airplanes) or a modified, 
privately owned vehicle with special adaptive equipment or that is 
capable of transporting disabled persons.

    Position: VA does not support. In 2011, Congress authorized VA to 
pay to providers of transportation the lesser of the actual charges for 
transportation or the amount determined by CMS, unless VA has entered 
into a contract for that transportation with the provider.
    In 2020, VA proposed to put in place the very change Congress had 
authorized. VA's publication of a proposed rule triggered a comment 
period, during which VA received five substantive comments. VA 
responded to these comments in a final rule, known as the Change in 
Rates Rule, which was published in the Federal Register on February 16, 
2023. VA stated in the final rule that we would delay the effective 
date of the final rule by 1 year (to be February 16, 2024) to ensure 
that ambulance providers had adequate time to adjust to VA's new 
methodology for calculating ambulance rates (88 FR 10035). We further 
stated in the final rule that such adjustment could include ambulance 
providers entering negotiations with VA to contract for payment rates 
different than those under the CMS ambulance fee schedule, as 
contemplated in the final rule. Congress granted VA the discretion in 
38 U.S.C. Sec.  111(b)(3)(C) to use the CMS ambulance fee schedule as 
part of VA's methodology to calculate ambulance payments, ostensibly 
finding such schedule to be sufficient. VA cannot modify or increase 
the CMS ambulance fee schedule rates.
    After publication of the final rule, however, VA received feedback 
from both internal and external stakeholders, including VA employees, 
ambulance providers, and industry experts, that more time was necessary 
for successful implementation of the rule. Specifically, the delay of 
the effective date was necessary to accommodate unforeseen difficulties 
in air ambulance broker contracting. These difficulties relate to air 
ambulance brokers requiring a contract or subcontract in place with all 
potential air ambulance providers that covers emergency, non-VA 
initiated trips. Based on this feedback and evaluation of the continued 
effort that would be required by air ambulance brokers to negotiate and 
enter into contracts before February 16, 2024, we delayed the effective 
date of the regulation by 1 year (to be February 16, 2025). VA 
understands the Committee is specifically concerned about the effect 
these proposed rules would have on unauthorized emergency 
transportation, and VA is exploring options to try to address this 
concern. We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this further with 
the Committee.
    VA's regulations, as proposed for 38 C.F.R. Sec.  70.30(a)(4), 
would allow VA to enter into a contract with a vendor of special mode 
transportation (including air ambulance transport), and the terms of 
that contract would govern the payment rates for such transport. Such 
contracts could provide for a different rate as agreed, in the event 
that VA determined it may be justified based on local considerations, 
such as for rural areas.
    VA has other concerns with the bill beyond its apparent retreat 
from prior congressional intent. The bill is unclear in several 
critical respects. For example, the bill refers to a ``rate'' of 
payment throughout the text, but there is not a singular rate for 
transportation given the variability in geography, type of vehicle or 
conveyance (ambulance versus helicopter, for example), and type of 
service furnished. Other Federal agencies, particularly CMS, have 
established rates for ambulance services that reflect appropriate 
charges for such transportation, which do not reflect billed charges. 
VA's pending regulatory changes would give effect to the discretion 
Congress provided to VA to align its payment structures with these 
other Federal agencies (including CMS). By referring to special mode 
transportation of Veterans or other eligible individuals, this would 
also apply to health care programs for family members (such as the 
Civilian Health and Medical Program of VA (CHAMPVA) or the Children of 
Women Vietnam Veterans). VA currently pays for special mode 
transportation for eligible individuals under these programs consistent 
with the CMS ambulance fee schedule. It is unclear whether this was the 
intent of the bill.
    Subsection (a)(2) would require VA to conduct thorough analyses of 
the proposed changes to rates for special mode transportation, but 
these would largely duplicate the requirements associated with a 
regulatory impact analysis, which VA already provided. In this context, 
these requirements would be duplicative and unnecessary.
    Further, under subsection (a)(2)(B), VA would have to develop a 
formal process to ensure that any change made to such rate does not 
reduce the access to care for Veterans. It is unclear how VA would be 
able to determine whether any changes would affect access to care; 
access is influenced by many different variables, some of which are 
completely outside of VA's control (principally, the decision of 
private providers to offer services in the marketplace in the first 
instance). In this context, VA could likely never develop a process, 
formal or otherwise, that would ensure that rate changes do not reduce 
access to care.
    We are also concerned about the language in subsection (a)(2)(C), 
which would direct VA to ensure that ``the new rate reflects, at a 
minimum, the actual cost of such transportation.'' It is unclear what 
``the actual cost'' is intended to mean, but we infer that the intent 
is to ensure that VA always pays, at a minimum, the billed charges for 
transportation. However, the billed charges do not reflect the ``actual 
cost of such transportation,'' as billed charges also include profit 
margins and administrative expenses beyond the cost of the 
transportation. To the extent the bill is intended to require VA to pay 
billed charges, this would effectively allow private entities without a 
contract with VA to charge any amount, and VA would be obligated to pay 
this amount. This would seriously undermine VA's efforts to establish a 
contracted network of providers, which could increase both the 
predictability and accessibility of services while also providing cost 
assurances for the Government and taxpayers. Requiring VA, by statute, 
to pay no less than the billed charges would make budgeting and 
accountability impossible. It also raises questions about whether this 
would effectively allow private entities to determine Federal 
obligations of appropriated funds.
    Subsection (b) of the bill would require VA to consult with various 
entities, including non-Governmental entities. The bill text appears to 
direct VA to establish a committee composed of relevant industry 
experts and representatives of VSOs, but this would seemingly require 
this to be a Federal Advisory Committee subject to the Federal Advisory 
Committee Act (FACA). There is no further discussion of this 
requirement or explicit authorization pursuant to FACA, and there is no 
express waiver of the need to comply with FACA. We recommend the 
drafters clarify the intent of this provision and whether this 
committee would be subject to FACA. We do not believe this provision is 
necessary as the consultation requirements would largely duplicate the 
public comment period that was previously available for VA's proposed 
regulations.
    Subsection (c) of the bill would prohibit rate changes until a 2-
year period elapsed from the time that a template and standardized 
process for entering into and making changes to rates and guidance 
about the template and process was issued with VA and across the 
industry. This would ultimately make entering into contracts at set 
rates more difficult, which appears antithetical to Congress' goal of 
ensuring accountability and predictability for the costs of these 
services. We are also concerned that the 2-year delay for the effective 
date of any change would result in VA paying greater costs for that 
entire period of time.
    We understand the Committee's concerns regarding transportation 
access, and we would welcome the opportunity to discuss these in more 
detail.

H.R. 5794 VA Peer Review Neutrality Act

    H.R. 5794 would add a new 38 U.S.C. Sec.  7311B; the proposed 
subsection (a)(1) would require peer review committee members to 
withdraw from participation if the individual has direct involvement 
with the care under review, or the individual is unable to conduct an 
objective, impartial, accurate, and informed review. In addition, under 
the proposed subsection (a)(2), VA would have to conduct an additional 
review by a neutral peer review committee at another VA facility for 
quality management reviews conducted with respect to care provided by a 
peer review committee member. Under the proposed subsection (b)(1), 
individuals with knowledge of confidential quality assurance 
information regarding a matter under investigation could not serve as a 
factfinder or member of an administrative investigation board (AIB) 
examining such matter, nor disclose confidential quality assurance 
information to an AIB or factfinder. Under the proposed subsection 
(b)(2), VA would be required to ensure a member of an AIB or a 
factfinder does not: (1) have any personal interest or other bias 
concerning the investigation being conducted, (2) have direct 
involvement in matters being investigated, and (3) have a supervisory 
or personal relationship with the subject of the investigation. Any 
individuals with any of the three identified relationships or personal 
interest or bias would have to inform the authority responsible for the 
investigation and recuse themselves.

    Position: VA supports, if amended. VA supports the underlying 
premises in the bill, such as maintaining the integrity of peer 
reviews, protecting confidential quality assurance information, and 
ensuring investigations are free of bias and potential investigatory 
conflicts of interest that would compromise the integrity of the 
investigation. However, significant amendments to the bill's language 
would be needed to align these common interests for VA's support. The 
bill appears to overlook major components of existing statute and VA's 
existing processes for peer review, investigating patient care matters, 
protecting quality assurance information, and conducting impartial 
investigations.
    VA has no concerns with the proposed section 7311B(a)(1), which is 
in line with current VA guidelines. Similarly, VA has no concerns with 
the proposed section 7311B(a)(2), which is also in line with current VA 
guidelines.
    However, VA recommends that the proposed section 7311B(b)(1) be 
removed. VA has existing investigation formats for patient care 
concerns that comply with 38 U.S.C. Sec.  5705, which deals with 
confidentiality of medical quality assurance records. Some 
investigations are confidential quality assurance reviews, but some are 
purposefully not covered by 38 U.S.C. Sec.  5705, namely Focused 
Professional Practice Evaluations for Cause and Focused Clinical Care 
Reviews, fact findings, and AIBs. These reviews are critical for 
addressing concerns regarding substandard care that may be detrimental 
to Veterans because they are administrative investigations that provide 
a mechanism for information to be discovered, and in turn, utilized for 
administrative action if necessary. The non-disclosure element of the 
proposed provision extends provisions of 38 U.S.C. Sec.  5705(b)(1), 
which already defines rules for release of information. VA agrees that 
employees who have knowledge of events being investigated because of 
their role in the quality review process cannot be a factfinder or 
member of an AIB. However, the vague language of the bill may preclude 
an employee from testifying or providing information obtained through 
the individual's role in an event or their appropriate peripheral 
involvement in an event. To ensure appropriate administrative action 
can be taken in response to misconduct, the discoverable investigatory 
processes must be able to collect information from all sources related 
to an event and not protected under 38 U.S.C. Sec.  5705. VA can 
provide narrative examples of how these concerns could arise to the 
Committee upon request. If the proposed paragraph (b)(1) is not struck 
in its entirety, VA at least recommends removing the prohibition on 
disclosing information in at least some situations. Further, any 
clarifications should be included as an amendment to 38 U.S.C. Sec.  
5705, rather than as part of the proposed section 7311B, to avoid 
confusion and creating multiple statutes covering the same matter. VA 
can provide further technical assistance on this issue if needed.
    VA also recommends amending the proposed section 7311B(b)(2). VA 
takes seriously the administrative investigation process and the 
impartiality of those conducting investigations. VA Directive 0700, 
Administrative Investigation Boards and Factfindings, and VA Handbook 
0700, Administrative Investigation Boards and Factfindings, provide the 
framework for VA's general administrative investigations and include a 
specific requirement for those participating in fact findings and AIBs 
to undergo training. In 2021, VA updated these policies and training to 
emphasize the avoidance of potential investigatory conflicts of 
interest. VA policy requires that authorities responsible for 
investigations ensure that members of AIBs and factfinders are free 
from such conflicts. VA AIB members and factfinders are already 
required to be objective, impartial, and free from personal interests, 
bias, or involvement in the matter. AIB Members and factfinders also 
are already required to recuse themselves if they do not meet these 
standards.
    VA supports the assurances that investigators do not have potential 
investigatory conflicts of interest or personal relationships impacting 
their objectivity regarding the incidents they are investigating. VA is 
concerned that moving these requirements from policy to statute will 
increase the likelihood and weight of employees challenging 
disciplinary actions by arguing that the underlying investigation 
violated the statute and constituted harmful procedural error. To 
mitigate this risk, VA recommends that the bill simply state that VA 
will ensure that its investigators are impartial and that VA must 
include appropriate measures in policy. This would allow VA to tailor 
and monitor the issue in light of the complexities and unique 
requirements of its administrative investigation structure.
    Investigations within VA vary in severity and response, from every 
day information gathering where a supervisor asks an employee about 
minor infractions (e.g., being late to work) all the way to an AIB, 
which may investigate much more severe misconduct such as inappropriate 
conduct of a sexual nature or inappropriately striking a patient. Per 
VA policy, AIB members are not permitted to have a supervisory 
relationship with the subject of the investigation. The same rule was 
intentionally not applied to factfindings, as they are intended to 
provide an investigative process for, among other things, first-line 
supervisors to address issues within their office of business unit. It 
is imperative that supervisors maintain their authority to conduct 
investigations, when appropriate. A first-line supervisor is the 
appropriate individual to inquire into the routine misconduct issues 
that surface every day within VA (e.g., tardiness, customer service 
complaints, observing suspected impairment, etc.). To ensure optimal 
operations, proposed subsection (b)(2)(B) would need to be amended to 
remove the provision disallowing this practice to allow routine 
exercises of supervisory authority. The bill could include further 
language clarifying that subordinates should not investigate an issue 
in which their supervisor has a significant interest (e.g., the 
supervisor is the subject of a related investigation). VA also supports 
adding explicit safeguards that preclude supervisors from completing an 
investigation when they are implicated in the misconduct under review. 
There would be no costs associated with this bill.

H.R. 6324 Fiscal Year 2024 Veterans Affairs Major Medical Facility 
Authorization Act

    This bill would authorize major medical facility projects in 
American Lake, WA; Dallas, TX; El Paso, TX; Perry Point, MD; Portland, 
OR; Reno, NV; San Diego, CA; San Francisco, CA; San Juan, PR; St. 
Louis, MO; and West Haven, CT. It would authorize to be appropriated in 
Fiscal Year 2024, or the year in which funds are appropriated for VA's 
major construction account, $4,603,129,000 for these projects.

    Position: VA supports, if amended. VA supports the authorization of 
the projects identified in this bill. VA has previously provided and is 
requesting an amendment regarding the authorization for the San Diego, 
CA project. VA recommends the bill also authorize ``central utility 
plant upgrades'' and the seismic retrofit of the existing spinal cord 
injury building 11 at the VA San Diego Healthcare System. VA can 
provide technical assistance on this language if needed.

H.R. 6373 Veterans Spinal Trauma Access to New Devices (STAND) Act

    Section 2 of the bill would amend 38 U.S.C. Sec.  1706 by adding a 
new subsection (d). The proposed subsection (d)(1) would require VA, in 
managing the provision of hospital care and medical services, to 
furnish (through direct provision of service, referral, or a VA 
telehealth program) a preventative health evaluation annually to any 
Veteran with an SCI/D who elects to undergo the evaluation. The 
proposed paragraph (2) would require that the evaluation include an 
assessment of any circumstance or condition the Veteran is experiencing 
that indicates a risk for any health complication related to the SCI/D, 
chronic pain and its management, dietary management and weight 
management, prosthetic equipment, and the provision of any assistive 
technology that could help maximize the independence and mobility of 
the Veteran.
    Proposed paragraph (3) would require VA, in maintaining, 
prescribing, or amending any guidance, rules, or regulations issued by 
VA regarding the requirements in the new subsection (d), to consult 
with VA's SCI/D program managers, VA clinicians employed as specialists 
in SCI/D, and organizations named in or approved under 38 U.S.C. Sec.  
5902 (generally, organizations that prepare, present, and prosecute 
claims for VA benefits). Before issuing any guidance, rules, or 
regulations regarding the requirements set forth in this new 
subsection, VA would have to consult with manufacturers of assistive 
technologies and other entities relevant to the provision of assistive 
technologies if the guidance, rules, or regulations would directly 
affect such manufacturers or entities. VA would have to ensure, to the 
extent possible, that any Veteran known by VA to have an SCI/D receive 
information annually about the annual evaluation and the benefits to 
undergoing this evaluation.
    Proposed paragraph (4) would require VA, within 1 year of the 
enactment of this Act and every 2 years thereafter, to submit to 
Congress a report on the number of Veterans who received medical care 
or hospital services from VA and used an assistive technology, received 
VA care or services and were assessed for the provision of an assistive 
technology, and received VA care or services and were prescribed an 
assistive technology. VA would also need to report the year-to-year 
change in the percent of Veterans with an SCI/D who received an 
evaluation described above.
    Proposed paragraph (5) would require VA, in evaluating the 
performance metrics of a VISN for any year beginning after the date 
that is 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, to consider 
the provision of the preventative health evaluations described above.
    Proposed paragraph (6) would define the term ``assistive 
technology'' to mean a powered medical device or electronic tool used 
to treat or alleviate symptoms or conditions caused by an SCI/D, 
including a personal mobility device (including a powered exoskeleton 
device) and a speech-generating device.
    Position: VA opposes. VA is committed to providing comprehensive, 
lifelong, innovative, and specialized care that is safe and evidence-
based for Veterans with SCI/D. VA opposes this bill because it would 
reduce VA's ability to ensure the safety of Veterans and would 
compromise the integrity of the clinical decision-making process. It 
would also increase administrative costs to VA, burden clinicians' 
time, and ultimately result in reduced access to clinically appropriate 
care.
    In particular, VA is opposed to proposed subsection (d)(3), which 
would require VA to consult with the manufacturers of assistive 
technologies ``and other entities relevant to the provision of 
assistive technologies'' if VA's guidance, rules, or regulations 
``would directly affect such manufacturers or entities.'' Mandatory 
consultation with such entities in the development of clinical guidance 
would introduce a conflict of interest that could easily compromise 
patient safety. This would not only set a concerning precedent, but it 
would contradict best practice for the development of clinical 
protocols in health care settings. Research indicates that increased 
stakeholder involvement in the development of clinical protocols or 
clinical practice guidelines can result in poor quality protocols that 
fail to ensure safety and do not meet the needs of clinicians in 
guiding best care for patients. The recommended course of action for 
the development of high-quality clinical protocols is to utilize 
research and subject matter experts from a range of settings and 
expertise. VA's assessment and procurement of assistive technologies is 
consistent with the standard practice of care for Veterans with SCI/D.
    Additionally, the provisions in proposed subsection (d)(4), which 
would require detailed reports from VA, would consume clinicians' and 
administrators' time without apparent value; this additional burden 
would reduce the ability to see more Veterans in clinical appointments 
and to process requests for assistive technology and other devices, 
ultimately reducing Veterans' access to timely and appropriate care. 
VA's current data systems capture when assistive technology is 
procured, but the other data elements in the bill are not available. 
VA's systems are not able to capture instances where Veterans are 
evaluated, but not found suitable, for assistive technology, or 
Veterans who decline assistive technology.
    VA is also concerned about the breadth of the definition of the 
term ``assistive technology'' in the bill. The term would mean a 
powered medical device or electrical tool used to treat or alleviate 
symptoms or conditions caused by an SCI/D, including a personal 
mobility device (including a powered exoskeleton device) and a speech 
generating device. Given the breadth of this term, the associated 
procedural requirements would apply in multiple instances; this would 
make practical implementation very difficult, if not impossible.
    The provisions of this bill that would not result in these outcomes 
are unnecessary because VA is already meeting those requirements. For 
example, VA already provides annual evaluation for Veterans with SCI/D, 
and these requirements meet or exceed all elements of the bill in this 
regard. Furthermore, explicitly prioritizing powered assistive 
technology during annual evaluations diminishes the value all other 
aspects of the comprehensive medical and functional evaluation that is 
performed. While assistive technology is seen as a critical component 
of the evaluation, it is not weighted above other interventions or 
considerations in providing Veteran-centered care.
    To the extent the bill is concerned that Veterans do not have an 
opportunity to determine which assistive technologies would be best for 
them, VA providers work closely with Veterans to identify their needs 
and recommend the best solutions for them. When devices like 
exoskeletons are identified, VA allows Veterans to try these devices 
for up to 90 days to determine whether these are appropriate for them. 
Recent data indicate that nearly 40 percent of Veterans who use an 
exoskeleton during this trial period decide against using it beyond the 
trial period. This approach ensures Veterans receive the device or 
technology that best meets their functional needs while avoiding waste 
that could otherwise result if these technologies were furnished 
without personal experience. This reflects VA's commitment to both 
clinically appropriate care as well as accountable fiscal stewardship.
    Additionally, it is critical to ensure that Veterans can safely use 
any devices they are prescribed. VA was an early adopter of exoskeleton 
technology, and powered exoskeletons have been provided to Veterans 
with SCI/D since 2015, shortly after the FDA first approved powered 
exoskeletons for home use. To provide guidance and ensure consistency 
in screening, evaluation, and training, VA developed a rigorous 
clinical protocol, which was shared with VA facilities in December 
2015. This clinical protocol was updated in 2018, reflecting additional 
exoskeleton products that received FDA clearance for personal use in 
the community.
    Further demonstrating VA's commitment to supporting exoskeletons 
and innovative technology, VA performed one of the largest national 
randomized, controlled multi-center exoskeleton research studies, 
investigating home/community use, efficacy, and safety of powered 
exoskeletons in Veterans with SCI/D. Powered exoskeletons can lead to 
assisted ambulation in individuals with SCI/D, yet they require careful 
evaluation of potential users, extensive training, inclusion of a 
companion for safe use, extensive clinician experience, and specific 
manufacturer training and expertise by staff for safe and effective use 
by individuals with SCI/D. Notably, the criteria for each device are 
largely based on FDA specifications. VA has taken an individualized 
approach to Veterans' exoskeleton training to minimize the burden on 
Veterans who are interested in and are evaluated for clinical 
appropriateness to utilize this technology.
    After a Veteran is determined to be clinically appropriate for an 
exoskeleton device, training with the device can occur at a VA SCI/D 
Center or at a facility that provides equivalent certified exoskeleton 
training. Training typically requires 20-30 visits over a series of 
months to achieve proficiency with the device. Device issuance is 
considered when all critical skills are safely demonstrated by the 
Veteran and their companion(s). Clinical training and home trials must 
occur before a device can be purchased to ensure that the device meets 
the needs of the Veteran and is safe in the home environment.
    Exoskeletons are complicated medical devices, and exoskeleton-
trained clinicians must consider a number of factors when issuing this 
equipment. Factors include but are not limited to: level of spinal cord 
injury, height, weight, hip and leg length measures, joint range of 
motion (flexibility), skin integrity, spasticity, arm/hand strength, 
bone density, history of fractures, blood pressure, autonomic 
dysreflexia, cardiovascular health, cognition, environments of intended 
use, Veteran's goals for use of the device, vision, and the ability to 
develop the skill needed to operate this equipment. Due to the 
complexity of the devices, a large number of Veterans who are 
interested in exoskeletons are not appropriate for the use of these 
devices. Additionally, for safety reasons, the devices currently 
available in the U.S. require a companion to be present when an 
individual is utilizing this technology. Many individuals lack access 
to an appropriate companion to help with management of the device, 
which can weigh up to 51 lbs. Requiring the presence of a companion 
while utilizing the device can result in the perception of decreased 
independence to users who are fully independent when using a 
wheelchair. The involvement of a companion also prolongs the training 
period and requires a significant commitment from both the Veteran and 
companion.
    Exoskeletons have been studied in a number of settings, and there 
are many potential benefits, such as standing, walking, cardiovascular 
response, spasticity management, weight loss, bowel function, and bone 
density. Evidence of adverse events, including fractures, falls, skin 
breakdown, autonomic dysreflexia, and soft tissue injuries have been 
reported across subjects, studies, and devices. Currently, there are no 
established CPGs regarding the use of exoskeletons. For each 
individual, it is still largely unknown if the benefits outweigh the 
risks and how to identify candidates who will most likely benefit from 
the technology. Therefore, VA has developed a clinical protocol that 
emphasizes patient preference and safety. Importantly, through safe, 
evidence-based services and devices, VA will continue its ongoing 
efforts to support Veterans with SCI/D in their goals of optimizing 
their health, functional mobility, and independence. Those efforts 
include the careful evaluation and when appropriate, provision of 
assistive technology devices including powered exoskeletons.
    VA is focused on ensuring Veterans have access to and can use 
specialized technology to address their needs. A new Office of Advanced 
Manufacturing is focused on these efforts specifically in the context 
of assistive technology. VA is continually reviewing current clinical 
protocols to ensure Veterans can receive timely, high-quality, and 
evidence-based care and technology.

H.R. 7347 Reporting on Determination to Include Newly Approved or 
Licensed Psychedelic Drugs in the VA Formulary

    This bill would add a new section 8125A to title 38, United States 
Code, that would require VA, not later than 180 days after a 
psychedelic drug is approved under 21 U.S.C. Sec.  355 or licensed 
under 42 U.S.C. Sec.  262, to submit to Congress a report regarding 
such drug that includes VA's determination whether to include the drug 
in VA's formulary and VA's justification for that determination.
    Position: VA does not support. VA does not support this bill 
because it is unnecessary. VA already has processes in place where 
formulary decisions regarding inclusion or exclusion of a drug are 
released publicly. In this context, the bill would include additional 
administrative burden without any increase in transparency or 
accountability. VA publicly lists changes to the formulary (see https:/
/www.va.gov/formularyadvisor/), and any of the documents that VA 
reviewed and influenced VA's decision are publicly available (see 
https://www.pbm.va.gov/PBM/NationalFormulary.asp). We are also 
concerned about the precedent this could set; further reporting would 
only delay actions that would improve Veterans' access to new drugs and 
treatments. VA makes decisions regarding which drugs to include in the 
formulary in consideration of the best clinical outcomes of Veterans; 
if the FDA approves any psychedelic drugs, VA will review these drugs 
using the same process as any other drug or medication. If or when FDA 
approves any psychedelic medications, we anticipate such drugs would be 
prescribed in combination with evidence-based psychotherapy or other 
psychosocial support as directed in the FDA approval. In this context, 
the existence of a drug on VA's formulary would not necessarily 
guarantee Veterans access to these drugs, in VA or in non-VA 
facilities, if the related therapy or psychosocial support is not 
available at a given facility.
    These concerns are hypothetical at this point, though, as no 
psychedelic drugs have been approved by FDA yet. VA is developing plans 
to respond in the event such drugs are approved. All drugs that are 
approved by the FDA are available to Veterans with clinical need, 
regardless of whether the drug is available on the formulary.
    VA has supported and is supporting three main efforts to ensure 
that Veterans will have access to safe and effective treatments, 
including psychedelics, when approved. VA co-hosted a State-of-the-Art 
Conference in September 2023 to address two major objectives: first, to 
better understand the current state of scientific evidence and to 
identify a strategic framework to consider future psychedelic treatment 
research for select mental health conditions; and second, to determine 
the necessary next steps for potential VA system-wide clinical 
implementation for psychedelic compounds for potential future use. 
Additionally, VA issued a request for applications for proposals from 
its network of VA researchers (in collaboration with academic 
institutions) to study the use of certain psychedelic compounds in 
treating PTSD and depression. Finally, VA is establishing a workgroup 
to develop plans for potential future clinical deployment, provider 
training, evaluation, and further research. We would be pleased to 
brief the Committee in more detail on these efforts. Additionally, we 
request that the Subcommittee solicit HHS for its views on this bill.

Conclusion

    This concludes my statement. We appreciate the Subcommittee's 
continued support of programs that serve the Nation's Veterans and look 
forward to working together to further enhance the delivery of benefits 
and services to Veterans and their families.
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                    Prepared Statement of Jon Retzer

    Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member Brownley and Members of the 
Subcommittee:
    Thank you for inviting DAV (Disabled American Veterans) to testify 
at today's legislative hearing of the Subcommittee on Health. DAV, a 
congressionally chartered non-profit veterans service organization 
(VSO), is comprised of over one million wartime service-disabled 
veterans. Its single purpose is to empower veterans to lead high-
quality lives with respect and dignity. DAV is pleased to offer our 
views on the bills under consideration today by the Subcommittee.

                   H.R. 3225, BUILD for Veterans Act

                                  and

H.R. 6324, Fiscal Year 2024 VA Major Medical Facility Authorization Act

    Over the past decade, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) 
Veterans Health Administration (VHA) has experienced significant growth 
and stress while implementing reforms to help ensure veterans receive 
timely access to quality health care. For the VA to remain the primary 
provider of care, the VA must tackle an aging infrastructure to improve 
its capacity.
    The VA states that private sector health facilities have a median 
age of around 13 years. In contrast, VA facilities have a median age of 
nearly 60 years and suffer from a lack of resiliency and long-term 
sustainability. Facilities of this era, which were not designed to 
accommodate the technological and design innovations that support 
modern health care delivery, pose a challenge with renovation. For the 
VA to continue being the primary health care provider and care 
coordinator of choice for veterans, the VA must focus on improving its 
internal capacity by building and modernizing facilities. Up to date 
and modern facilities will ensure that the VA can effectively meet the 
needs of both current and future veterans, offering a broad range of 
primary and specialized care options.

    The Build, Utilize, Invest, Learn, and Deliver (BUILD) for Veterans 
Act, H.R. 3225, seeks to improve the management and performance of the 
VA's capital asset programs to better serve veterans, their families, 
caregivers, and survivors.
    The BUILD Act would help provide the VA with a clear roadmap by 
identifying internal capacity needs and consistent funding for 
infrastructure needs, as well as strengthen the VA's capabilities to 
start and complete projects.
    This bill would require the VA to develop plans to identify 
infrastructure needs and improve workforce hiring strategies. It would 
also examine capital asset budgeting strategies and identify potential 
reforms based on industry best practices. VA would also be required to 
forecast annual budget requirements over a 10-year period and lay out a 
concrete schedule to dispose of, or repurpose, unused buildings.
    Furthermore, the bill mandates the VA Inspector General to assess 
and report on the management and performance of relevant VA capital 
asset projects, ensuring greater accountability. In addition, the 
Government Accountability Office would review and report on the VA's 
progress toward achieving the goals, metrics, and other plans specified 
in this bill.
    We support H.R. 3225, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 247, 
calling for modernization of the VA health care infrastructure to 
provide veterans with the quality care and benefits they deserve.

    The Fiscal Year 2024 VA Major Medical Facility Authorization Act, 
H.R. 6324, would grant authorization for 11 major medical facility 
projects for the VA in Fiscal Year 2024, to include construction of new 
and renovation of existing medical specialty health care centers, 
parking facilities, clinical space expansions, replacement of community 
living centers, seismic retrofitting, and new research facilities.
    Although DAV does not have a resolution calling for funding 
specific VA construction projects, DAV strongly supports increasing VA 
infrastructure funding to accelerate the expansion and the 
modernization of the VA health care system.

                      H.R. 3584, Veterans Care Act

                                  and

  H.R. 7347, to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to report on 
  whether the Secretary will include certain psychedelic drugs in the 
                          formulary of the VA.

    DAV supports research to develop new, safe, and effective 
treatments and therapies for veterans, particularly when seeking relief 
from hard-to-treat injuries and illnesses. Our Nation's veterans 
deserve access to the most effective treatments and therapies 
available, including alternative options available under the law. It is 
important that Congress and VA support safe and effective innovations 
in delivering evidence-based treatments to improve veterans' health and 
quality of life.
    The Veterans Care Act, H.R. 3584, would direct the VA to conduct 
and support research on the efficacy and safety of medicinal cannabis 
and promote medical research by VA on the use of medicinal cannabis to 
explore alternate means of treating veterans with post traumatic stress 
disorder (PTSD), chronic pain, and other illnesses and injuries. VA 
would be required to submit an implementation plan to Congress and 
report annually on its progress.
    Many veterans are currently using cannabis, and it is important for 
medical research to continue exploring the safety and efficacy of 
cannabis usage for medical purposes. It is crucial for clinicians to be 
able to offer veterans with PTSD and chronic pain appropriate guidance 
on the potential impacts, harms, and benefits of cannabis use to 
provide comprehensive support.
    Today there are 39 states and the District of Columbia that allow 
medical cannabis, with wide variations in how each regulates its 
production, distribution, and use. However, even in states where 
cannabis is legal, veterans may still be in violation of Federal laws 
due to its classification as a Schedule I drug by the Federal 
Government.
    While VA policy encourages veterans to discuss their marijuana use 
with their VA health care providers, VA clinicians are not allowed to 
recommend or prescribe cannabis, and veterans who possess it while on 
VA grounds are violating Federal law.
    We support H.R. 3584, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 203, 
which calls for research into the medical efficacy of cannabis for 
service-connected disabled veterans.
    H.R. 7347 directs the VA to make a determination on whether to add 
psychedelic drugs to the Department's formulary no later than 6 months 
after a psychedelic drug is approved by the Food and Drug 
Administration (FDA) or licensed for use by the Department of Health 
and Human Services (HHS).
    At present, no psychedelic drugs are federally approved for 
prescription as medicine. The FDA has granted breakthrough status to 
two psychedelic compounds. When used in conjunction with existing 
psychotherapies, both Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), and 
psilocybin, the active compound in psychedelic mushrooms, have shown to 
be safe and effective in treating PTSD and treatment-resistant 
depression, respectively.
    Although psychedelics are tightly regulated as controlled 
substances under Federal law, research can still be conducted with 
proper regulatory approvals. These approvals must be obtained from the 
FDA and Drug Enforcement Administration. The promising yet preliminary 
research evidence points to the potential healing power of 
psychedelics.
    In collaboration with academic institutions, the VA issued a 
request for applications for proposals from its network of researchers, 
which aims to study the use of certain psychedelic compounds in 
treating PTSD and depression. This is the first time since the 1960's 
that VA will study psychedelics.
    VA's research involves studying psychedelic compounds, including 
MDMA and psilocybin use alongside psychotherapy for treating veterans 
with PTSD and depression. To properly inform veterans about the effects 
of psychedelics on conditions like PTSD and depression, ongoing medical 
research is vital to assess their safety and effectiveness.
    DAV does not have a specific resolution on what drugs should be 
included in VA's formulary; however, we believe that once adequate 
clinical research has determined a new drug or therapy is both safe and 
effective, VA should consider whether to begin using it, particularly 
if there are no better alternatives.
    This bill does not require VA to add psychedelics, but only 
requires a determination about adding them to VA's formulary after 
another Federal agency (FDA or HHS) has approved their use. We support 
this legislation, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 535, which 
calls for increased medical research to develop new treatments for 
wounded and injured veterans.

              H.R. 3303: Maternal Health for Veterans Act

    The Maternal Health for Veterans Act, H.R. 3303, would provide 
additional support for VA programs coordinating maternity health care 
by authorizing $15 million per year for 5 years. It would also require 
the VA to report to Congress on its activities related to coordination 
of maternity health care, including data on outcomes and services 
provided by VA and non-VA providers, as well as make recommendations to 
improve the maternal health outcomes of veterans, particularly veterans 
from demographic groups with higher rates of maternal mortality, severe 
maternal morbidity, maternal health disparities, or adverse perinatal 
or childbirth outcomes.
    This bill would strengthen VA oversight and expand VA funding for 
women veterans' maternity care. Currently, there are over 650,000 women 
veterans who receive health care services from the VA, and half of them 
are of childbearing age. Since 2014, there has been an almost 80 
percent increase in the number of pregnancies among women receiving VA 
care.
    Last month, DAV released our new report ``Women Veterans: The 
Journey to Mental Wellness.'' Research findings note that hormonal 
shifts and changes women experience during pregnancy, birth, and post-
pregnancy put women at higher risk for suicide. The report emphasized 
the need for strong support systems during and after pregnancy. Because 
most maternity care is provided through community partners, the VA has 
worked hard to create a supportive maternity experience for women 
veterans.
    Previously set at 8 months, the cutoff date for post-partum care 
has been extended to 12 months for women veterans. This means that they 
now have access to maternity care coordinators from the start of their 
pregnancy until a year after giving birth. These coordinators assist 
veterans in navigating health care inside and outside of VA, connecting 
veterans with care after delivery, ensuring access to follow-up 
screenings, and more. This bill would help ensure that all new mothers 
will have the support and resources they need from VA.
    We support H.R. 3303, as it aligns with DAV Resolution No. 027 
calling for improved medical services and benefits for women veterans.

                    H.R. 3644, ACT for Veterans Act

    H.R. 3644, the Addressing Care Timelines (ACT) for Veterans Act, 
would extend the time that veterans have to notify VA after receiving 
emergency care at non-VA medical facilities to ensure that the care is 
covered under VA's Veterans Community Care Program.
    Currently, a veteran must contact the VA within 72 hours of 
receiving non-VA emergency care, otherwise VA may deny payment even if 
the veteran is eligible for treatment. The ACT for Veterans Act would 
provide an additional 24-hour period for veterans to inform the VA when 
receiving care at a non-VA facility.
    The last thing veterans suffering medical emergencies should have 
to worry about is whether VA will deny coverage or refuse payment 
because of administrative barriers.
    We support H.R. 3644, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 205, 
which calls for the improvement of urgent and emergency care benefits 
for service-connected veterans.

   H.R. 3649, Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Treatment Act

    The Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Treatment Act, H.R. 
3649, would establish a pilot program to offer Hyperbaric Oxygen 
Therapy (HBOT) to veterans who have Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) or 
PTSD.
    In clinical practice, HBOT has been employed and approved to treat 
different physical injuries, including non-healing wounds. When 
administered by a trained professional medical team, HBOT is deemed 
safe and any potential side effects are generally resolved without 
requiring additional treatment. In pre-clinical and clinical trials, it 
has been shown that HBOT can also enhance the clinical outcomes of 
veterans with treatment-resistant PTSD.
    Military clinical trials, which focused on evaluating HBOT effects 
on post-concussion syndrome, a condition commonly accompanied by PTSD, 
demonstrated improvements in post-traumatic symptoms, potentially 
indicating a role in alleviating post-concussion symptoms.
    Congress and VA have a responsibility to explore safe and effective 
alternative options for veterans who are not helped by VA's existing 
treatments and therapies for PTSD or TBI, which should include HBOT.
    We support H.R. 3649, in line with DAV Resolution No. 013, which 
calls for well-designed studies to assess the effectiveness of 
hyperbaric oxygen therapy on treatment resistant TBI and PTSD. We would 
also recommend that the legislation include a provision requiring a 
report on the pilot program, which should include an assessment of the 
health outcomes from HBOT, as well as a recommendation on whether to 
extend the pilot program to all enrolled veterans.

        H.R. 4424, Vietnam Veterans Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act

    The Vietnam Veterans Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act, H.R. 4424, 
directs the VA to examine and document the occurrence of bile duct 
cancer in Vietnam veterans.
    An aggressive disease, bile duct cancer (Cholangiocarcinoma) 
attacks the gallbladder, bile ducts, and liver, and it has been 
connected to infection by parasitic worms known as liver flukes. 
Vietnam veterans who consumed raw or undercooked fish during their 
service in Southeast Asia may have been at risk of infection due to 
common parasites in the region's fresh waters.
    In a research study conducted by the VA at Northport, NY, it was 
discovered that one in four of the 50 Vietnam veterans tested had 
positive results for exposure to the liver fluke parasite.
    According to the Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation, this type of cancer 
can develop over the course of 30 to 40 years while remaining 
asymptomatic. While there is no scientific consensus that consuming 
certain raw or undercooked fish causes liver cancer, the VA has granted 
some direct service connection claims for bile duct cancer, but it is 
not currently recognized as a presumptive illness for Vietnam veterans.
    Given that many Vietnam veterans could have unknowingly been 
exposed to environmental conditions that resulted in bile duct cancer 
from their service in Southeast Asia, it is imperative that we make 
every effort to guarantee they receive the necessary care and benefits 
for their service-related injuries and illnesses.
    We support H.R. 4424, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 214, 
which calls for providing service connection for disabling conditions 
resulting from toxic and environmental exposure.

  H.R. 5247, Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act of 2023

    H.R. 5247, the Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act of 
2023, aims to reduce wait times for veterans seeking mental health care 
by allowing the VA to establish a fast-track process for hiring 
psychiatrists.
    This bill would allow the VA to directly hire psychiatrists who 
have completed residency at a VA facility, bypassing civil service or 
classification laws that can cause delays. Psychiatrists would still 
need to fulfill all educational requirements and obtain all necessary 
credentials to be hired.
    The VA continues to struggle with recruiting and hiring mental 
health specialists, which hinders its ability to support the growing 
number of veterans seeking help. A 2023 VA Inspector General report 
(23-00659-186) revealed that 91 out of 139 VA facilities faced a severe 
shortage of psychologists, while 73 facilities had a severe shortage of 
psychiatrists.
    The VA has stated that almost a third of veterans within its health 
care system suffer from PTSD. In 2021, there was an increase of 114 
suicides from 2020, resulting in 6,392 veterans dying by suicide. These 
numbers, reflecting veterans' lives prematurely ended, are more than 
statistics, as they are still mourned by family members, loved ones, 
and the Nation. This bill could create a more efficient hiring process 
for psychiatrists trained by the VA, who are already culturally 
competent, to provide immediate clinical lifesaving services, including 
VA suicide prevention and lethal means safety counseling to veterans in 
need.
    We support H.R. 5247, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 250, 
which calls for effective recruitment, retention, and development of 
the VA health care system workforce.

           H.R. 5530, VA Emergency Transportation Access Act

    The VA Emergency Transportation Access Act, H.R. 5530, limits the 
VA's ability to change payment rates for transporting veterans and 
eligible individuals on specialized transportation modes.
    The VA finalized a proposed rule change to cut its reimbursement 
rate for emergency air medical services earlier this year. By reducing 
the VA's reimbursement rate to the Medicare rate, which currently 
reimburses providers at less than 50 percent of transport costs puts 
the estimated 4.7 million veterans living in rural and underserved 
communities, who need reliable access to quality care, at even greater 
risk during emergencies, despite the existing barriers to health care 
they already face.
    The VA's proposed reimbursement rate cut would also put additional 
strain on air medical bases, particularly in rural areas where there 
are high concentrations of veterans and a significant need for 
transportation to health care facilities.
    For far too long, government reimbursement rates have been 
significantly lower than the true costs of providing service. If this 
trend continues and the VA lowers its reimbursement rate, air medical 
bases will be challenged, limiting emergency care access for rural 
veterans. Additionally, compounding this issue is the potential closure 
of approximately 600 rural hospitals, which would leave communities 
without local lifesaving care and long distances from the closest 
medical center.
    We support H.R. 5530, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 323, 
which calls for ensuring easy and equitable access to VA transportation 
benefits and services.

                     H.R. 6373, Veterans STAND Act

    The Veterans Spinal Trauma Access to New Devices (STAND) Act, H.R. 
6373, seeks to enhance health care for veterans with spinal cord 
injuries by mandating that VA offer them annual yearly preventative 
health evaluations and improve accessibility to assistive technologies 
that could help maximize the independence and mobility of the veteran.
    The STAND Act is focused on improving access to and coverage of new 
and emerging technologies. For example, exoskeletons are wearable 
assistive technology devices that can empower certain individuals with 
spinal cord injury (SCI) to stand, walk, turn, and navigate stairs, 
which can enhance socialization, independence, and participation in 
community activities. According to the VA, there are around 42,000 
veterans with SCIs, and the VA Spinal Cord Injuries/Disorders network 
provides care to over 27,000 individuals annually.
    By offering yearly preventative health evaluation, assessments and 
making new assistive technologies accessible, VA can further improve 
the quality of life for veterans who meet the clinical eligibility 
criteria. Extensive clinical training and expertise are necessary to 
evaluate and assess veterans with SCI for the use of powered 
exoskeletons safely and effectively.
    We support H.R. 6373, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 286, 
which calls for improvement in the provision of comprehensive VA health 
care services to enrolled veterans. It is critical to ensure that SCI 
veterans have access to and coverage of these life-changing 
technologies.

                H.R. 5794, VA Peer Review Neutrality Act

    The VA Peer Review Neutrality Act, H.R. 5794, aims to eliminate 
conflicts of interest in the conduct of quality management and 
administrative investigations by the VHA.
    For VA to ensure the quality of health care provided, it conducts a 
comprehensive monitoring and evaluation program. This program includes 
assessing significant deviations in mortality and morbidity for 
surgical procedures and evaluating deficiencies in overall health care 
quality. VHA employees may submit confidential reports on matters 
relating to quality of care in VHA facilities to the quality management 
officers for peer review.
    Currently, the initial review involves one peer reviewer, followed 
by a broader peer review committee within the same facility that 
evaluates and discusses their assessment of the care provided by the 
facility.
    The VA Peer Review Neutrality Act would require that local peer 
reviewers withdraw from cases involving conflicts of interest and would 
require that neutral assessments of initial peer reviews be conducted 
by a peer review committee from a different VHA facility.
    To eliminate conflicts of interest, it is critical for the VHA to 
continue to review and update guidance, procedures and responsibilities 
at its medical centers while conducting quality management and 
administrative investigations.
    We support H.R. 5794, in accordance with DAV Resolution No. 512, 
which calls for meaningful accountability measures, while ensuring due 
process for employees of the VA.
    This concludes my testimony on behalf of DAV. I am pleased to 
answer questions you or members of the Subcommittee may have.
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                  Prepared Statement of Roscoe Butler

    Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member Brownley, and members of 
the subcommittee, Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA) would like to 
thank you for this opportunity to present our views on pending 
legislation impacting the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) that is 
before the subcommittee. No group of veterans understand the full scope 
of benefits and care provided by the VA better than PVA members--
veterans who have incurred a spinal cord injury or disorder (SCI/D). 
PVA provides comment on the following bills included in today's 
hearing.

H.R. 3225, the BUILD for Veterans Act

    The Build for Veterans Act seeks to improve staffing to manage 
construction of VA assets and ensure that there are concrete plans to 
improve the planning, management, and budgeting of VA construction and 
capital asset programs. Currently, the VA has nearly $180 billion in 
backlogged infrastructure projects, and the backlog is growing every 
day. Also, it is important to note that this estimate is a snapshot in 
time and is based on current market conditions, a baseline capital 
portfolio, demographic data, and projected needs. The department's real 
needs are likely to be higher because its Strategic Capital Investment 
Planning list also does not include projects identified in the Asset 
and Infrastructure Review Commission needed to meet veterans' care 
needs.
    In Fiscal Year (FY) 2025, the department is requesting a total of 
$2.8 billion for the entire infrastructure account. However, VA Capital 
Infrastructure's backlog of projects continues to grow faster than VA 
can address them. In addition to the lack of funding, neither VA's 
Office of Construction and Facilities Management nor the individual VA 
facilities have the staff to oversee the amount of work necessary to 
keep up with the growing backlog, much less decrease it. To overcome 
VA's infrastructure challenges, Congress must not only provide 
significantly increased funding to fully address these long-standing 
issues, but also enact comprehensive planning, budgeting, management, 
and oversight reforms to ensure more effective use of those funds.
    Infrastructure is a top priority for PVA and we fully support this 
bill. VA's current number of long-term care beds for veterans with SCI/
D is woefully inadequate for an aging veteran population with care 
needs not readily met in the community. As of January, only 169 of VA's 
181 SCI/D Long-Term Care beds were actually available, and only one of 
VA's six specialized long-term care facilities lies west of the 
Mississippi River. Until construction projects at the Dallas and San 
Diego VA Medical Centers are completed, only 12 long-term care beds are 
available for the thousands of SCI/D veterans that reside in this area 
of the country. VA desperately needs to increase its SCI/D Long-Term 
Care capacity. Among its many provisions, the BUILD Act directs the VA 
to report to Congress on the department's current and future 
anticipated long-term care needs and models of care for women veterans, 
veterans with SCI/D, traumatic brain injury, and other veteran 
populations with unique needs. It also requires VA to implement a more 
concrete schedule to eliminate or repurpose unused and vacant 
buildings, develop and execute a plan to hire construction personnel, 
examine infrastructure budgeting strategies and identify required 
reforms, and provide annual budget requirements over a 10-year period.

H.R. 3303, the Maternal Health for Veterans Act

    More women are choosing VA healthcare than ever before with women 
veterans accounting for over 30 percent of the increase in enrolled 
veterans over the past 5 years. PVA supports this legislation which 
strengthens oversight of VA's maternity care coordination while 
authorizing new funding to make sure the department has what it needs 
to provide more women veterans with access to the maternal care they've 
earned through their service. Additionally, this legislation will 
require the VA to provide an annual report to Congress that would track 
maternal health outcomes as well as information pertaining to services 
provided by the Maternal Health coordinators. With a growing number of 
women veterans using the VA who are of child bearing age, the 
department needs to be prepared to fully support them. Congress must 
take its oversight seriously to ensure the health and welfare of women 
veterans and their families.

H.R. 3584, the Veterans Care Act

    There is a growing body of evidence that cannabinoids are effective 
for treating conditions like chronic pain, chemotherapy induced nausea 
and vomiting, sleep disturbances related to obstructive sleep apnea, 
multiple sclerosis spasticity symptoms, and fibromyalgia. The Veterans 
Care Act directs the VA to conduct and support research on the efficacy 
and safety of certain forms of cannabis and cannabis delivery for 
veterans enrolled in the VA health care system and diagnosed with 
conditions such as chronic pain or post-traumatic stress disorder. PVA 
supports evidence-based alternative treatments, including research into 
the efficacy of medical cannabis. A series of clinical trials on the 
use of medicinal cannabis may help determine if it could provide any 
medical benefits for veterans.

H.R. 3644, the Act for Veterans Act

    Veterans eligible for VA healthcare experiencing a medical 
emergency are allowed to seek medical attention immediately from the 
nearest emergency medical facility, even if it is not at a VA Medical 
Center. However, if they are suffering from an eligible condition that 
prevents them from physically contacting the VA within 72-hours, the VA 
may still deny payment. PVA supports the Act for Veterans Act which 
allows the VA to give veterans an additional 24-hour period, at a 
minimum, to notify the VA when receiving care at a non-VA facility. The 
additional time will allow for flexibility if a veteran needs 
additional time to recover from a severe medical condition or if they 
are experiencing other challenges.

H.R. 3649, the Veterans National Traumatic Brain Injury Treatment Act

    Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) is a well-established treatment 
for a variety of conditions including decompression illness, carbon 
monoxide poisoning, or compromised skin grafts and flaps. However, its 
safety and efficacy to treat Traumatic Brain Injury or Post Traumatic 
Stress Disorder is unclear. PVA has no objections to this legislation 
which seeks to establish a pilot program at the VA to furnish HBOT to 
veterans with these conditions.

H.R. 4424, the Vietnam Veterans Liver Fluke Cancer Study Act

    PVA supports this bill which directs VA, with the assistance of the 
Centers for Disease Control, to determine the prevalence of 
cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct cancer) in Vietnam era veterans. Bile 
duct cancer is an aggressive disease that attacks the gallbladder, bile 
ducts, and liver and has been linked to infections by parasitic worms 
known as liver flukes, which are common in Asia. The study would 
identify the rate of incidence of cholangiocarcinoma in covered 
veterans of the Vietnam era and in residents of the United States, from 
the beginning of the Vietnam era to the date of enactment of this Act. 
It also requires the VA to track and report on the prevalence of 
cholangiocarcinoma using the VA Central Cancer Registry.

H.R. 5247, the Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act of 
    2023

    PVA supports this legislation which authorizes the VA to appoint a 
psychiatrist who completes a residency at a Veterans Health 
Administration (VHA) facility to a VHA health care position immediately 
after such residency, without regard to civil service or classification 
laws, if (1) the psychiatrist meets the qualifications established in 
regulations prescribed for the position, and (2) the position has been 
unfilled for at least 35 days. The critical shortage of psychiatrists 
within the VA is well documented and extends wait times for veterans 
seeking this level of mental health care. Passage of this bill would 
help ensure some of them receive needed care sooner.
    Many SCI/D Centers lack the direct support of a psychiatrist. This 
forces other members of the care team (psychologists, social workers, 
and other SCI/D staff) to submit an Intra Facility Consult--and in some 
cases, an Inter Facility Consult for all veterans with SCI/D requiring 
psychiatric care. The response time to these consults are lengthy, 
delaying essential psychiatric care and services for these veterans. 
The dedicated SCI/D psychologists provide crucial mental health 
services; however, many veterans require specialized services only a 
psychiatrist can deliver. The change authorized by this legislation may 
help alleviate shortages like these, enabling SCI/D veterans to receive 
the essential psychiatric care they need in a timely manner.

H.R. 5530, the VA Emergency Transportation Access Act

    The VA Emergency Transportation Access Act would bar the VA from 
reducing rates of pay and reimbursement for special mode transportation 
providers, including ground and air ambulances, unless the department 
meets certain requirements that ensure rate changes will not reduce 
veterans' access to this essential service. Specifically, it requires 
the VA to conduct a thorough review of the impact a change in rates 
would have on veterans' access to care; consult industry experts, 
Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, appropriate VA subject 
matter experts, and veterans service organizations when conducting the 
review; and develop a formal process of updating the rates that 
protects or expands veterans' current access to emergency 
transportation. Most importantly, it ensures the new rates reflect the 
actual costs of transportation. Having access to VA's Special Mode of 
Transportation is the only way many veterans can safely get to their VA 
and authorized non-VA medical appointments. PVA supports this 
legislation, because it helps ensure changes in reimbursement rates do 
not adversely impact veterans.

H.R. 6324, the Fiscal Year 2024 VA Major Medical Facility Authorization 
Act

    PVA wholeheartedly supports this bill which authorizes the VA to 
carry out 11 major medical facility projects during Fiscal Year 2024 
and sets maximum spending amounts for each one of them. This includes 
more than $300 million to support the ongoing construction of a new 
SCI/D Acute and Long-Term Care Center and related facilities at the San 
Diego VA Medical Center.
    In addition to meeting the acute care needs of veterans with SCI/
Ds, the new facility would house 20 new, desperately needed long-term 
care beds. Currently, only 12 long-term care beds are available for the 
thousands of SCI/D veterans that reside in this area of the country, so 
completion of this project is extremely important to PVA members. We 
urge you to pass this important legislation as quickly as possible.

H.R. 6373, the Veterans STAND Act

    Veterans with SCI/Ds rely heavily on the use of assistive 
technologies to increase their independence and enhance participation 
in work, their families, and communities. These range from a simple 
cane to complex systems that allow the veteran to stand and move at eye 
level. In recent years, the neuroscience and biomedical communities 
have made great strides in developing new technologies to help restore 
mobility for people with SCI/Ds. Many of the newest and more complex 
technologies are limited to those with specific physical and mental 
capabilities amongst other factors. Still, PVA wishes to ensure those 
who meet the appropriate clinical criteria are considered for emerging 
assistive technologies.
    We support the STAND Act which would first ensure that veterans 
with SCI/Ds are offered an annual medical exam. These annual 
assessments are important because it allows the veterans physician to 
identify and treat health issues before they worsen; review any changes 
that have occurred over the last year; and identify risk factors that 
could lead to future health problems and offer expert advice on how to 
mitigate them. Some VA facilities do an excellent job reaching out to 
SCI/D veterans to offer them an annual assessment--but not all, so 
there is room for improvement in this area. Second, the bill directs 
the VA to ensure veterans are assessed for, and briefed on the types of 
assistive technologies they may be eligible for during these annual 
evaluations. Advancements in technology could provide life-changing 
options for veterans with SCI/Ds, so it is extremely important that 
they are made aware of anything that could improve their mobility, 
functionality, or independence.
    We would like to note that we do have a minor concern with the 
requirement under Section 2 (3)(B) for the VA to consult with the 
manufacturers of assistive technologies. Veterans are determined to be 
qualified candidates to use complex assistive technologies like 
exoskeletons based on clinical criteria. VA should work with industry, 
as appropriate, but we are concerned about such collaboration being 
required. Thus, the language should be modified as appropriate.
    PVA would once again like to thank the subcommittee for the 
opportunity to discuss our views on some of the bills being considered 
today. We look forward to working with the subcommittee on this 
legislation and would be happy to answer any questions.

  Information Required by Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives

    Pursuant to Rule XI 2(g) of the House of Representatives, the 
following information is provided regarding Federal grants and 
contracts.

                            Fiscal Year 2023

    Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$479,000.

                            Fiscal Year 2022

    Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of National Veterans Sports 
Programs & Special Events----Grant to support rehabilitation sports 
activities--$ 437,745.

                     Disclosure of Foreign Payments

    Paralyzed Veterans of America is largely supported by donations 
from the general public. However, in some very rare cases we receive 
direct donations from foreign nationals. In addition, we receive 
funding from corporations and foundations which in some cases are U.S. 
subsidiaries of non-U.S. companies.
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                 Prepared Statement of Brittany Elliot

Introduction

    Madam Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member Brownley and 
distinguished members of the subcommittee.
    My name is Brittany Elliott and I am a medically retired United 
States Marine Corps Veteran. I am honored to join you today to discuss 
the critical importance of H.R. 6373, the VA Spinal Trauma Access to 
New Devices Act, or the STAND Act. I am joined here today by my father, 
full-time caregiver and exoskeleton companion, Morgan Elliott.

Background

    By way of background, I am a medically eligible Veteran in terms of 
VA healthcare and I am fully paralyzed from my chest down as a result 
of a head-on collision with a drunk driver on July 3, 2015.
    As you can imagine, our journey to date has been a long one: One 
filled with great personal successes, but also great frustration and 
disappointment as it relates to the bureaucratic obstacles we have 
witnessed over the course of our VA journey.
    I want to be clear: I am thankful that I, like many of my military 
brothers and sisters, have access to VA healthcare as it is 
indispensable to me and my family as a resource. Having said that, I am 
very concerned that many Spinal Cord Injury (SCI) Veterans like me 
continue to be effectively ignored when it comes to legitimately 
assessing their overall healthcare needs and the types of technologies 
that can assist them in regaining a sense of normalcy.
    My story, is exactly mine, but many others with whom I routinely 
interact, share similar concerns and encounter many of the same 
obstacles while seeking care at the VA.
    For the subcommittee's background, I was injured in 2015. After a 
month of intensive hospitalization, I was mistakenly sent home for a 
short period of time by my private sector providers. Due to ongoing and 
lasting issues, associated with the trauma, I was forced to return to 
the hospital, this time the Lt. Col. Luke Weathers, Jr. VA Medical 
Center in Memphis Tennessee, where I stayed for an additional five 
weeks of intensive treatment and rehabilitation. That time was followed 
by nearly three very tough years re-entering life in a wheelchair at my 
home outside of Nashville, Tennessee.
    In late 2017 I was introduced, through social media and other 
means--NOT THE VA, to a device that I thought may have some utility for 
me if I were to ever regain the ability to stand and walk--The ReWalk 
personal powered exoskeleton. I approached my care providers at the 
Memphis VA and started pushing to gain access to the technology. After 
significant hesitation by my local providers, I was finally able to get 
them to agree to enroll me in VA's landmark study on the device, but 
that came at a significant cost to me and my family, especially my Dad 
as my full-time care-giver.
    The VA Co-Op study was being undertaken at several VA facilities 
across the country, but not in Memphis. So, I was forced to travel, 
using my own limited resources, to the St. Louis, Missouri VA Medical 
Center at Jefferson Barracks. While there, I spent 3 weeks undergoing 
intensive training on the device (I might add this is normally an 8-
week process, but I am a Marine, after all, and was able to power 
through the training at a faster pace) and successfully completed the 
trial. At which point, I was able to take the device home and start 
using it. I took it everywhere: Disney World, Sea World, Bush Gardens 
and multiple county fairs. It very quickly became an integral part of 
my new life and provided me opportunities otherwise unavailable to 
those in wheelchairs.
    Unfortunately, the story doesn't end there. When I returned to my 
new home VA, the St. Louis VA in 2018, my provider (the VERY SAME 
PROVIDER who entered me into the trial) informed me that she would not 
support my continued use of the device AND TO THIS DAY has failed to 
provide any substantive rationale for that decision. As a result, the 
device was promptly returned to the VA and I was left in a chair and 
told ``you should get used to it because that's all you can expect.'' 
Well, as a trained U.S. warfighter, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH, 
especially in light of all the training I had already successfully 
completed with the device and given how it had effectively changed my 
life over the course of its use.
    For the next four (4) years, yes, that's right, four (4) years, I 
was engaged in a local and regional battle to regain access to the 
device that had already begun to change my life. Unfortunately, the VA 
bureaucracy is extremely strong and literally no one would stand up 
clinically and advocate on my behalf, even in light of my having 
successfully completed VA's own study on the device!
    Finally, and thanks to a forward-thinking and supportive clinician 
at the Sonny Montgomery VA Medical Center in Jackson, MS, I was seen, 
re-evaluated over the course of weeks, AGAIN ON MY OWN DIME, and 
ultimately provided a new device which I still have today and use every 
day of my life. I am eternally grateful to this provider as his 
disposition was not one that lent itself to the institutional 
bureaucracy, but one that carefully considered the entirety of the 
evidence and the utility of this device for me--a young, vibrant, and 
motivated Marine.
    I am confident this fight never needed to happen, but the system in 
many cases, it seems to me, is built to protect itself instead of the 
Veterans it serves.
    While many of you saw me walk in here today, and while standing and 
walking are clearly critical elements of this device, it's what you 
don't see that may be the most life-changing for me. For instance:

      My bone density has returned to almost normal levels as a 
function of me standing and bearing weight that I would not be able to 
accomplish in a chair;

      My core strength has been improved and sustained allowing 
me to sit upright, which is not a given, considering my level of 
injury;

      While in a chair, I was having several urinary tract 
infections (UTIs) every month that were becoming increasingly difficult 
to combat with antibiotics and serious infections were causing serious 
challenges. Using this device, my UTIs have now decreased to around 2 
per year--A DRAMATIC AND POTENTIALLY LIFE-SAVING REDUCTION;

      I have lost weight, which in a chair is nearly an 
impossibility due to the lack of mobility or activity overall; and

      My mental health has dramatically improved. When I stand, 
I get to look people in the eye, shake their hand properly and be 
addressed as a person, not simply patted on the back and often 
overlooked altogether--this is HUGE for a Marine like me!

    Even in light of the well-recognized health-related advantages to 
standing and being ambulatory, VA often relies on the fact that 
sufficient capacity in the various SCI centers and related ``hubs'' 
nationally, does not exist to do the extensive training associated with 
the device. At the same time, however, they seem equally unwilling to 
send Veterans into the community, through the existing and expanding 
Community Care Networks (CCN), for training by those who have already 
been professionally trained on the devices. It seems to me, you can't 
have it both ways... You either treat those who are clinically 
eligible, or follow the law and send them into the community. 
Unfortunately, this is rarely the case.

STAND Act

    I am aware that we are here to discuss the STAND Act, but I wanted 
to ensure that my interest in this legislation was explicitly clear and 
I am confident my experience lends itself to this critical effort.
    With regard to the bill, I am so grateful to General Bergman and 
his staff for his authoring, and I also want to personally thank 
Chairman Bost, Ranking Member of the subcommittee Brownley and 
Congresswoman Dingell for their willingness to co-lead this effort. My 
thanks as well to those who have agreed, and continue to agree, to co-
sponsor the STAND Act.
    Equally important, I am supremely thankful for the public support 
that has been provided by the Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA), the 
Disabled American Veterans (DAV) and the Reserve Organization of 
America (ROA) and the Independence Through Enhancement of Medicare and 
Medicaid, or ITEM Coalition, a coalition of industry and non-profit 
organizations supporting assistive technologies, generally.
    In my view, the bill is critical for a few reasons, and I will 
relate them to my personal experience and to those with whom I 
routinely interact across the VA SCI spectrum:

      As you all know, the bill seeks to codify what VA is 
already supposed to be doing in the way of performing annual 
examinations--I can tell you with certainty, they are not. I have had 5 
exams over the last eight (8) years and I had to push for several of 
those myself. So, the requirement for VA to proactively solicit 
participation in annual examinations from enrolled SCI Veterans is not 
only important as it relates to assistive technologies like mine, but 
to the overall health and well-being of this important population. It's 
VERY hard for me to hear VA claim to be the best at SCI care in the 
world, and at the same time know that many Veterans who need routine 
care simply are not getting it;

      Additionally, like me, I think it's imperative that VA 
assess the viability of assistive technologies for ALL Veterans with 
SCI as simply allowing them to stay in chairs, if they are clinically 
eligible for other devices, is just simply not good enough. The STAND 
Act mandates this type of assessment;

      One thing I've learned over my years of fighting the VA 
is that clinical behavior is very difficult to change. One way to 
accomplish change however, is to demand accountability for those 
responsible for making clinical decisions. This bill seeks to 
accomplish this by two means:

          Make the VA reportable to Congress on their success 
        against the metrics I mentioned; and

          Hold VISN leadership accountable, through their 
        annual performance evaluations for these same metrics;

          Institutional change doesn't come easy, but it seems 
        to comes easier if those in charge are held accountable and 
        understand that some level of oversight is effectively in 
        place.

      Finally, and I think this is important, VA failing to 
consult Veterans about the opportunities that exist for them is one 
thing, but their continued unwillingness to engage the manufacturers of 
these technologies when considering how the technologies can work for 
Veterans is disturbing. I know, based on my own experience, they will 
fall on their ``objectivity sword'' all day long, but the manufacturers 
and scientist who build these technologies possess the technical 
information that can truly assist in informing these types of important 
decisions for SCI Veterans.

Conclusion

    Madam Chairwoman, Ranking Member Brownley and members of this 
subcommittee I am very thankful to you and all those who have supported 
this bill as it can be truly life-changing for those like me, who have 
faithfully served their nation. But lack of system capacity, an 
unwillingness for VA leadership to allow Veterans to enter the 
community for training and just flat-out bureaucratic red-tape continue 
to hamper other Veterans' ability to gain access to these important 
technologies that are truly life-changing.
    As I have already stated, ensuring others have access to 
technologies like mine is indeed my new mission in life and with your 
continued support I am confident more Veterans will be able to reclaim 
their lives and fulfill their ongoing obligations to family, community 
and country. I proudly stand, AND I MEAN STAND, in strong support of 
this bill as its importance can be truly immeasurable for those who are 
simply trying to rebuild their lives and who are seeking the VA's 
support to get them there. With your collective help this will be an 
easier path for others who are currently waiting and those who will 
inevitably follow.
    I truly appreciate the opportunity to appear before you today and I 
am happy to respond to any question you may have.
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                  Prepared Statement of Melissa Bryant




                       Statements for the Record

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                     Prepared Statement of TreatNOW

    US House Committee on Veterans' Affairs Members,

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The TreatNOW Coalition supports H.R. 3649. We 
are dedicated to ending service member suicides (now over 146,000) 
through the use of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) and adjunct 
therapies. In over 150 Coalition clinics in the last 12 years, HBOT is 
proven to heal wounds of all types, especially including brain wounds 
caused by BLAST/TBI/PTSD/Concussion/Friendly fire. Over twenty-one 
clinical trials--including the US Government's own trials--demonstrate 
safety and effectiveness of using HBOT for mild Traumatic Brain Injury 
persistent post concussive syndrome. Ten State legislatures have 
already passed legislation mirroring H.R. 3649, and five have 
appropriated over $30 million to treat Veterans still suffering from 
ineffectively treated brain wounds. Over 31,000 patients with brain 
wounds, including over 12,500 active duty and Veteran service members 
have been restored to a Quality of Life denied them by lack of insured 
access to HBOT. It is unfortunate that neither the VA nor DoD are 
practicing the standard of care as laid out in 1990 in the Textbook of 
Military Medicine.\1\ It is long past time that both the DoD and the VA 
insure HBOT coverage, beginning with immediate ``informed consent'' to 
all invisible brain wounded service members about the availability of 
HBOT. Federal funds should cover the use of public and private HBOT 
clinics to treat the brain wounded.
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    \1\ Conventional Warfare: Ballistic, Blast, and Burn Injuries, 
Textbook of Military Medicine Series on Combat Casualty Care, Part 1, 
Volume 5, 1990, Pages 311-316, Chart Page 313, Office of Surgeon 
General, Department of Army. See attached protocol.
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    Our military has been exposed to blast force waves since the Civil 
War. The results: TBIs to our servicemen and woman. Labels came and 
went. In the Civil War, combat could lead to ``soldier's heart'' and 
``railway spine'', \2\ in World War I it was ``Shell Shock;'', in World 
War II it was ``Battle Fatigue'' or ``War Neurosis;'' in Korea it was 
``Combat Stress/Fatigue;'' in Vietnam it was originally called ``Post-
Vietnam War Syndrome'' which later migrated to PTSD, and now in the 
ensuing Gulf War Era and the preceding decades fighting terrorism, 
medicine has settled on TBI and or PTSD. A full 150 years of 
misdiagnosis of this same issue has deepened reliance on prescription 
drugs, leading in too many cases to drug and alcohol addictions, 
homelessness, unemployment, incarcerations, and suicides. Along the 
way, an array of varying drugs, and self-awareness education and 
calming protocols have done little to combat the ``invisible physical 
wounds'' to the brain.
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    \2\ See, for example, U.S. Government Printing Office. The Medical 
and Surgical History of the War of the Rebellion, 1861-65. Part I, 
Volume II: Surgical History (1870). Prepared, under the direction of 
Joseph K. Barnes, Surgeon General United States Army, by George A. 
Otis, Assistant Surgeon, United States Army. Covers wounds and injuries 
of the head, face, neck, spine, and chest; and Howard H. Kaufman M.D., 
``Treatment of head injuries in the American Civil War,'' Journal of 
Neurosurgery, May 1993
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    The DoD has established a process and culture that punishes service 
members for their combat wounds versus treating the ``physical brain 
wound similar to a gunshot wound.'' This has resulted in the current 
suicide (146,000+) and opioid (109,000) epidemics besieging our Veteran 
community. Over 255,000 Veterans have already succumbed to their 
invisible wounds because our government is unwilling to accept modern 
medical science. The 255,000 combined deaths represent 41 percent of 
all the U.S. troops KIA since the beginning of WW I (623,718). 
Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) is proven safe and effective in 
treating and healing wounds of all types, including a portion of the 
877,450+ brain wounds caused by 70,000+ IEDs, BLAST, 155mm Howitzers, 
dangerous close explosions, RPGs, and friendly fire. Twenty-one 
clinical IRB trials completed since 2007--including the US Government's 
own trials--demonstrate safety and efficacy of using HBOT for mild 
Traumatic Brain Injury persistent post concussive syndrome.
    Ten State Governors (OK, TX, IN, AZ, KY, FL, NC, WY, MD, VA) have 
enacted legislation and appropriated more than $30 million for 
treatments using HBOT. Why are individual states having to pay for 
effective medical treatment for invisible brain wounded Veterans? The 
DoD and the VA must insure HBOT coverage, beginning with immediate 
``informed consent'' to all wounded service members about the 
availability of HBOT, and its use in public and private HBOT hospitals 
(1,156) and clinics (200+). Using independent scientific methods to 
collect and report on data aimed at more proof of the safety and 
effectiveness of HBOT is costing Veteran lives. The 3.75 million 
members of The American Legion, DAV, AMVETS, AFSA, and Vietnam Veterans 
of America, have endorsed their support for HBOT in the treatment of 
mild TBI/PTSD Veterans (see attached). Over a hundred TBI/PTSD Veteran 
video testimonials from the 12,500+ HBOT treated attest to the safe and 
effective results of HBOT treatment. See https://www.youtube.com/
@treatnowdotorg/videos
    The Army and Marines have sustained the majority of TBIs, 53 and 18 
percent respectively, across all the service branches or 71 percent of 
the total because of their missions of boots on the ground. The Spec 
Ops groups have high TBI numbers but are in a smaller demographic 
population and largely go unreported for fear of punishment and or 
banishment from their military career. Clearly, the data reveals the 
current strategy and medical approach to mitigating TBIs--whether from 
blast overpressure force, IEDs, howitzer artillery rounds, rocket 
firing, etc.--has failed. The 2014 congressional testimony before the 
House Armed Services Committee by Marine Commandant Conway and Navy 
Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Roughead advocated HBOT be used to 
treat TBI/PTSD Veterans because in their words, ``it can only help.'' 
What can we do? What is TreatNOW doing?
    Through a national network of 150+ private HBOT treatment clinics 
and non-profits across the country, the TreatNOW Coalition has treated 
and healed thousands of TBI Veterans and civilians alike. Hyperbaric 
Oxygen Therapy of Arizona, LLC (3,600 civilians/900 TBI Vets), Rocky 
Mountain Hyperbaric Institute, Colorado (1255/477), Extivita in North 
Carolina (3,500/3,150), The Patriot Clinics, Oklahoma (2,800/2,650), 
Tier 1 Therapy Centers, Virginia (800/572), America's Mighty Warriors, 
Arizona (600+ Navy SEALS) are examples of the network contributing to 
the estimated 12,500 TBI Veterans treated and healed to date.
    We conservatively estimate over 877,450 TBI/PTSD PHYSICALLY brain 
wounded Veterans with an economic impact estimated at $118.1 billion 
annually, $4.7 trillion over 40-year lifespan. There is not a single 
FDA approved drug for TBIs, yet they are widely and routinely 
prescribed, along with a multitude of other off-label interventions. 
There were over 847 million opioid pills prescribed between 2006 to 
2014 by the VA (DEA.gov) decimating our physical invisible brain 
wounded Veterans. From 2008 to 2020, VA mental health budget has 
tripled, totaling $86.1 billion. The medical research budget totals 
$7.7 billion during the same period without any change in the TBI/PTSD 
suicide rate. The VA estimated from 2020 to 2029 a $2.4 billion budget 
to treat TBI wounded Veterans.
    Today, America continues to fail our veterans, contrary to 
Lincoln's promise, and the avowed Mission of the Veterans 
Administration. The failure is not for trying, it is for staying too 
long on afailed path to the exclusion of proven alternatives. Veterans 
continue to commit suicide at an epidemic rate. We need bold new action 
supported by medical data and demonstrated results which is exactly 
what we are offering. Dr Paul G. Harch's HBOT meta-analysis of 11 of 
the 21 clinical trials, and their positive results, highlights the 
safety and efficacy of HBOT for mTBI.
    Some of you will have heard that HBOT is unproven in treating TBI. 
The gold standard of Hyperbaric medicine, the Undersea & Hyperbaric 
Medical Society (UHMS) last year revised its definition of hyperbaric 
medicine in line with current known laws of physics. This redefinition 
categorically proves that the Government studies, in line with the 
worldwide scientific evidence, demonstrate safety and efficacy of HBOT 
for TBI. The controversy was settled by scientific evidence in the last 
decade. HBOT has been a standard of care for TBI Israeli Veterans for 
over a decade; they ``have the third lowest suicide rate amongst males 
compared to 27 countries worldwide'' \3\ How are they achieving these 
results?
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    \3\ State of Israel Ministry of Health Report, August 2020, https:/
/www.health.gov.il/English/News_and_Events/Spokespersons_Messages/
Pages/09082020_01.aspx
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    Given the published scientific evidence, clinical results, 
continuing suicide rate, and the needless suffering of untreated brain 
wounds, it is past time to use HBOT for TBI as part of military 
medicine's tool bag. Dr George Wolf, the Principal Investigator of the 
first government study, has said ``Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for mild 
traumatic brain injury and PTSD should be considered a legitimate 
adjunct therapy...'' \4\ . We ask for your leadership in helping us 
migrate HBOT forward as a standard of care for our invisible wounded 
warriors as did the Israeli government. At a minimum, use Emergency Use 
Authorization, fund treatments in the ten states which have enacted 
HBOT legislation and help us help save the remaining 877,450 invisible 
wounded warriors from suicide and or opioid addiction.
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    \4\ Traumatic Brain Injury and Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy: Dawn of a 
New Day, APWCA 16th Annual National Clinical Conference, 7-9 September 
2017
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                 Prepared Statement of Matt Cartwright

    Thank you, Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member Brownley, and 
members of the House Veterans' Affairs Subcommittee on Health, for 
allowing me to submit a statement in support of critical legislation 
that would benefit our Nation's Veterans. I write today in support of 
my bipartisan bill, H.R. 5247, the Expedited Hiring for VA Trained 
Psychiatrists Act, which would increase access to mental health 
services for our Veterans--to whom we owe a great debt.
    The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) psychiatrists diagnose 
mental, emotional, and behavioral conditions, and provide treatment to 
our Nation's heroes after they've answered the call to uniformed 
service. Everyone knows the sobering statistic that the rate of suicide 
among veterans is almost 60 percent higher than that of civilians. 
Whether a Veteran is struggling with the aftereffects of military 
combat, adjusting to civilian life, or facing a mental illness such as 
PTSD, having access to a psychiatrist at a VA facility could make a 
world of difference in a Veteran's journey to mental health and well-
being.
    While the VA has prioritized hiring new medical staff at an 
unprecedented rate, it is still difficult to hire and retain 
psychiatrists at a level sufficient to meet the needs of our Veterans. 
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has previously found that 
the VA does not have proper staff levels for its suicide prevention 
teams, and efforts to fill these vacancies have been significantly 
hampered by a long recruitment and hiring process. Furthermore, the GAO 
has repeatedly reported that demand for Veterans mental health services 
will only increase, exacerbating staffing shortages.
    The practical impacts of understaffing include excessive wait 
times, lack of proper follow-up care, and Veterans' inability to 
schedule appointments in a timely manner. These unnecessary hurdles to 
accessible, reliable care and treatment can have terrible consequences.
    The Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act would tackle 
the VA understaffing problem by codifying the VA Secretary's ability to 
hire psychiatrists who have completed their residency at a VA facility 
if a position has gone unfilled for at least thirty-five days.
    Many aspiring psychiatrists do at least part of their residency in 
a VA facility. These trainees gain valuable experience working with 
Veterans and are already familiar with the issues specific to this 
community. By giving the Secretary the ability to directly convert 
psychiatric residents to full employment with the VA - pending 
satisfactory completion of both the residency and all credentialing 
requirements - Congress can help make the VA a more attractive place 
for these residents to begin their careers. By reducing the time it 
takes to fill critical psychiatrist positions, my bill would reduce the 
wait times for Veterans seeking to access mental health services.
    Ensuring timely access to quality mental health care for all 
Veterans should be a priority for everyone, regardless of party. The 
Expedited Hiring for VA Trained Psychiatrists Act is commonsense, 
bipartisan legislation that would provide a fast track hiring process 
for qualified psychiatrists who train at VA facilities. I am grateful 
to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle for their support of this 
important legislation.
    Chairwoman Miller-Meeks, Ranking Member Brownley, and members of 
the Health Subcommittee, I offer my sincere thanks for your consistent 
prioritization of the issue of Veteran mental health.

             Prepared Statement of Wounded Warrior Project



       Prepared Statement of Association of Air Medical Services


          Prepared Statement of Jewish War Veterans of the USA


            Prepared Statement of Military-Veterans Advocacy



         Prepared Statement of American Ambulance Association,

 International Association of Fire Chiefs and National Association of 
                     Emergency Medical Technicians