[House Hearing, 118 Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]




 
                   FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S
                 DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW THE
                   WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND
                   GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET MISTREAT
                           GOVERNMENT WORKERS

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                                HEARING

                               before the

                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                                 of the

                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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                              PART 2 OF 2

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                             FIRST SESSION

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                           NOVEMBER 20, 2023

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                          Serial No. 118-SS05

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 FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW 
   THE WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET 
                          MISTREAT GOVERNMENT

                          WORKERS--PART 2 OF 2 
















 
                   FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S
                 DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW THE
                   WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND
                   GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET MISTREAT
                           GOVERNMENT WORKERS

=======================================================================

                                HEARING

                               before the

                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                                 of the

                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                               __________

                              PART 2 OF 2

                               __________

                             FIRST SESSION

                               __________

                           NOVEMBER 20, 2023

                               __________

                          Serial No. 118-SS05

                               __________

         Printed for the use of the Committee on Ways and Means 
         
         
         
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                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

                    JASON SMITH, Missouri, Chairman
VERN BUCHANAN, Florida               RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
ADRIAN SMITH, Nebraska               LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
MIKE KELLY, Pennsylvania             MIKE THOMPSON, California
DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona            JOHN B. LARSON, Connecticut
DARIN LaHOOD, Illinois               EARL BLUMENAUER, Oregon
BRAD WENSTRUP, Ohio                  BILL PASCRELL, Jr., New Jersey
JODEY ARRINGTON, Texas               DANNY DAVIS, Illinois
DREW FERGUSON, Georgia               LINDA SANCHEZ, California
RON ESTES, Kansas                    BRIAN HIGGINS, New York
LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania          TERRI SEWELL, Alabama
KEVIN HERN, Oklahoma                 SUZAN DelBENE, Washington
CAROL MILLER, West Virginia          JUDY CHU, California
GREG MURPHY, North Carolina          GWEN MOORE, Wisconsin
DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee             DAN KILDEE, Michigan
BRIAN FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania      DON BEYER, Virginia
GREG STEUBE, Florida                 DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
CLAUDIA TENNEY, New York             BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois
MICHELLE FISCHBACH, Minnesota        JIMMY PANETTA, California
BLAKE MOORE, Utah
MICHELLE STEEL, California
BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa
NICOLE MALLIOTAKIS, New York
MIKE CAREY, Ohio
                       Mark Roman, Staff Director
                 Brandon Casey, Minority Chief Counsel
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                    SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                    DREW FERGUSON, Georgia, Chairman
MIKE CAREY, Ohio                     JOHN LARSON, Connecticut
DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona            BILL PASCRELL, New Jersey
RON ESTES, Kansas                    LINDA SANCHEZ, California
BLAKE MOORE, Utah                    BRIAN HIGGINS, New York
RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa                 DAN KILDEE, Michigan
GREG STEUBE, Florida
DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee 

















                         C  O  N  T  E  N  T  S

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                                 PART 1
                           OPENING STATEMENTS

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Hon. Mike Carey, Ohio, Chairman..................................     1
Advisory of November 20, 2023 announcing the hearing.............     V

                               WITNESSES

Patrick Yoes, Retired Louisiana Law Enforcement Officer and 
  National President, Fraternal Order of Police..................     7
Ann Dugas, Retired Louisiana State Employee......................    14
Bernard ``Bernie'' Piro, Retired Louisiana Fire Fighter..........    18
Paula Porter, Retired Louisiana Educator.........................    25

                    LOCAL SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Local Submissions................................................    41

                   PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Public Submissions...........................................    69-602 



                                 PART 2
              PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD--CONTINUED

Public Submissions.........................................    603-1206 





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