    [House Hearing, 118 Congress]
    [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]

                       FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S
                     DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW THE
                       WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND
                       GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET MISTREAT
                               GOVERNMENT WORKERS

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                                    HEARING

                                   before the

                        SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                                     of the

                          COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                            HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                        ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

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                                  PART 2 OF 2

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                                 FIRST SESSION

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                               NOVEMBER 20, 2023

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                              Serial No. 118-SS05

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             Printed for the use of the Committee on Ways and Means

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     FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW
       THE WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET
                              MISTREAT GOVERNMENT

                              WORKERS--PART 2 OF 2

                       FIELD HEARING ON SOCIAL SECURITY'S
                     DISSERVICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS: HOW THE
                       WINDFALL ELIMINATION PROVISION AND
                       GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET MISTREAT
                               GOVERNMENT WORKERS

    =======================================================================

                                    HEARING

                                   before the

                        SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                                     of the

                          COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                            HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                        ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS

                                   __________

                                  PART 2 OF 2

                                   __________

                                 FIRST SESSION

                                   __________

                               NOVEMBER 20, 2023

                                   __________

                              Serial No. 118-SS05

                                   __________

             Printed for the use of the Committee on Ways and Means

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                       U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE

    55-249                    WASHINGTON : 2024

                          COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

                        JASON SMITH, Missouri, Chairman
    VERN BUCHANAN, Florida               RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
    ADRIAN SMITH, Nebraska               LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
    MIKE KELLY, Pennsylvania             MIKE THOMPSON, California
    DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona            JOHN B. LARSON, Connecticut
    DARIN LaHOOD, Illinois               EARL BLUMENAUER, Oregon
    BRAD WENSTRUP, Ohio                  BILL PASCRELL, Jr., New Jersey
    JODEY ARRINGTON, Texas               DANNY DAVIS, Illinois
    DREW FERGUSON, Georgia               LINDA SANCHEZ, California
    RON ESTES, Kansas                    BRIAN HIGGINS, New York
    LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania          TERRI SEWELL, Alabama
    KEVIN HERN, Oklahoma                 SUZAN DelBENE, Washington
    CAROL MILLER, West Virginia          JUDY CHU, California
    GREG MURPHY, North Carolina          GWEN MOORE, Wisconsin
    DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee             DAN KILDEE, Michigan
    BRIAN FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania      DON BEYER, Virginia
    GREG STEUBE, Florida                 DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
    CLAUDIA TENNEY, New York             BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois
    MICHELLE FISCHBACH, Minnesota        JIMMY PANETTA, California
    BLAKE MOORE, Utah
    MICHELLE STEEL, California
    BETH VAN DUYNE, Texas
    RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa
    NICOLE MALLIOTAKIS, New York
    MIKE CAREY, Ohio
                           Mark Roman, Staff Director
                     Brandon Casey, Minority Chief Counsel
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                        SUBCOMMITTEE ON SOCIAL SECURITY

                        DREW FERGUSON, Georgia, Chairman
    MIKE CAREY, Ohio                     JOHN LARSON, Connecticut
    DAVID SCHWEIKERT, Arizona            BILL PASCRELL, New Jersey
    RON ESTES, Kansas                    LINDA SANCHEZ, California
    BLAKE MOORE, Utah                    BRIAN HIGGINS, New York
    RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa                 DAN KILDEE, Michigan
    GREG STEUBE, Florida
    DAVID KUSTOFF, Tennessee

                             C  O  N  T  E  N  T  S

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                                     PART 1
                               OPENING STATEMENTS

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    Hon. Mike Carey, Ohio, Chairman..................................     1
    Advisory of November 20, 2023 announcing the hearing.............     V

                                   WITNESSES

    Patrick Yoes, Retired Louisiana Law Enforcement Officer and
      National President, Fraternal Order of Police..................     7
    Ann Dugas, Retired Louisiana State Employee......................    14
    Bernard ``Bernie'' Piro, Retired Louisiana Fire Fighter..........    18
    Paula Porter, Retired Louisiana Educator.........................    25

                        LOCAL SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

    Local Submissions................................................    41

                       PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

    Public Submissions...........................................    69-602

                                     PART 2
                  PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD--CONTINUED

    Public Submissions.........................................    603-1206

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