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                                                        S. Hrg. 117-901

                    PROMOTING AND INVESTING IN SMALL 
                         AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS

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                                HEARING

                               before the

               SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANS, FISHERIES, CLIMATE 
                       CHANGE, AND MANUFACTURING

                                 of the

                         COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE,
                      SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION
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                           DECEMBER 13, 2022
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       SENATE COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION

                    ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                   MARIA CANTWELL, Washington, Chair
AMY KLOBUCHAR, Minnesota             ROGER WICKER, Mississippi, Ranking
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut      JOHN THUNE, South Dakota
BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii                 ROY BLUNT, Missouri
EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts         TED CRUZ, Texas
GARY PETERS, Michigan                DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin             JERRY MORAN, Kansas
TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois            DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska
JON TESTER, Montana                  MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona              TODD YOUNG, Indiana
JACKY ROSEN, Nevada                  MIKE LEE, Utah
BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico            RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin
JOHN HICKENLOOPER, Colorado          SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West 
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia               Virginia
                                     RICK SCOTT, Florida
                                     CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming
                       Lila Helms, Staff Director
                 Melissa Porter, Deputy Staff Director
       George Greenwell, Policy Coordinator and Security Manager
                 John Keast, Republican Staff Director
            Crystal Tully, Republican Deputy Staff Director
                      Steven Wall, General Counsel
                      
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          SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANS, FISHERIES, CLIMATE CHANGE, 
                           AND MANUFACTURING

TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin, Chair      DAN SULLIVAN, Alaska, Ranking
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut      TED CRUZ, Texas
BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii                 DEB FISCHER, Nebraska
EDWARD MARKEY, Massachusetts         MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee
GARY PETERS, Michigan                RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin
BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico            TODD YOUNG, Indiana 




















                            C O N T E N T S

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Hearing held on December 13, 2022................................     1
Statement of Senator Baldwin.....................................     1
Statement of Senator Sullivan....................................     2
Statement of Senator Blumenthal..................................    34
Statement of Senator Young.......................................    36
Statement of Senator Blackburn...................................    39

                               Witnesses

Carrie Hines, President and CEO, American Small Manufacturers 
  Coalition......................................................     4
    Prepared statement...........................................     5
Dr. Kelvin H. Lee, Ph.D., Institute Director, National Institute 
  for Innovation in Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals, Gore 
  Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering, University 
  of Delaware....................................................     9
    Prepared statement...........................................    11
C. Todd Zakreski, President, Husco Automotive LLC and Board 
  Chair, Wisconsin Manufacturing Extension Partnership (WMEP)....    18
    Prepared statement...........................................    20
Sujai Shivakumar, Ph.D., Director and Senior Fellow, Renewing 
  American Innovation Project, Center for Strategic and 
  International Studies..........................................    21
    Prepared statement...........................................    24
David Vasko, Senior Director, Advanced Technology, Rockwell 
  Automation.....................................................    26
    Prepared statement...........................................    28

 
                    PROMOTING AND INVESTING IN SMALL 
                         AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS

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                       TUESDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2022

                                    U.S. Senate,
         Subcommittee on Oceans, Fisheries, Climate Change, 
                                         and Manufacturing,
            Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2 p.m., in 
room SR-253, Russell Senate Office Building, Hon. Tammy 
Baldwin, Chairman of the Subcommittee, presiding.
    Present: Senators Baldwin [presiding], Blumenthal, Peters, 
Sullivan, Fischer, Blackburn, and Young.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TAMMY BALDWIN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN

    Senator Baldwin. The Subcommittee on Oceans, Fisheries, 
Climate Change and Manufacturing will come to order. Good 
afternoon. Today's hearing is on ``Promoting and Investing in 
Small American Manufacturers.'' And I could not be more excited 
to discuss this topic with our expert panel of witnesses and my 
colleagues on the Subcommittee who will be coming in and out 
throughout the afternoon.
    I want to extend a warm welcome to all of our witnesses and 
thank you all for traveling to Washington to discuss this very 
important topic. I also want to thank the Chair of the Full 
Committee, Maria Cantwell, and Ranking Member of the Full 
Committee, Roger Wicker, and my Ranking Member on this 
Subcommittee, Dan Sullivan, and their staffs for their ideas, 
support, and encouragement during the development of this 
hearing.
    This hearing will highlight investments authorized in the 
CHIPS and Science Act, intended to help manufacturers better 
compete in the global marketplace. As appropriators work on a 
deal for the Fiscal Year 2023, I hope that they will keep the 
value of these investments in mind.
    As an appropriator myself, I know I will. Wisconsin is one 
of the top manufacturing states in the Nation in terms of the 
percentage of employment in manufacturing. And I have the great 
fortune to work with many manufacturers in Wisconsin of all 
sizes during my time in Congress.
    This hearing's focus on small manufacturers is of 
particular interest to me, not just because of how many there 
are in my state, but also because of the crucial role small 
manufacturers play in making our supply chains more robust.
    Department of Commerce programs like the Manufacturing 
Extension Partnership provide incredible value to small and 
medium sized manufacturers by helping them become more 
productive, defend against cyber-attacks, or upskill their 
workforces, which in turn makes our economy more resilient.
    I am also very interested in hearing from our witnesses 
about how we can encourage domestic production of technologies 
developed at Federal agencies and in particular our 
Manufacturing USA institutes.
    I recently introduced legislation with Senator Portman 
called the ``Invent Here, Make Here Act'' that tightens the 
waiver process for foreign manufacturers to license federally 
funded inventions at the Department of Homeland Security.
    The legislation was inspired by media reports of 
breakthrough battery technology invented in a Federal lab being 
licensed to a Chinese manufacturer. I hope to introduce broader 
legislation for the Commerce Committee's consideration next 
Congress and look forward to working with my colleagues on that 
issue.
    Finally, I hope to discuss how funding regional innovation 
hubs can create virtuous cycles of reshoring, that can shorten 
our Nation's supply chains. As we learned during the pandemic, 
it only takes a few key inputs to go missing for whole 
production lines to grind to a halt.
    With that--are you ready? I will turn to Ranking Member Dan 
Sullivan for his opening statement.

                STATEMENT OF HON. DAN SULLIVAN, 
                    U.S. SENATOR FROM ALASKA

    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I am pleased 
to welcome our distinguished witnesses today as our 
subcommittee focuses on the Department of Commerce's 
manufacturing programs that will increase our Nation's 
competitiveness. And I think this is an area that we are seeing 
increasingly bipartisan agreement on and bipartisan focus on, 
certainly here in the U.S. Senate.
    And part of the reason is, is because of the supply shocks 
that our country has faced over the last several years, but 
particularly during the pandemic, and how much manufacturing 
resides outside of the United States that could be brought 
back, that has been impacted by these supply shocks.
    And I think it has been an awakening for our country. It 
has been an awakening, certainly when I saw and remember during 
the pandemic, senior Chinese Communist Party officials talking 
about the stranglehold they had over key pharmaceuticals. And I 
still have this quote memorized, we are going to send the 
United States into a ``mighty sea of coronavirus.''
    One of these great subtle statements by the Chinese 
Communist Party officials about how they are going to leverage 
key areas of manufacturing to potentially harm our Nation. 
There is no American who wants to be in that kind of vulnerable 
position, and that is exactly what happened.
    And it is something that we need to wake up to, and I am 
very pleased with my colleague, Senator Baldwin, to be focusing 
on these issues. I think one of the areas that we need to be 
focusing on, and I certainly want the witnesses to expound upon 
that, is leveraging Manufacturing USA in the manufacturing 
extension partnership programs, not just in the traditional 
areas of manufacturing in the United States, but in all parts 
of our country. Certainly as a Senator from Alaska, I am 
interested in that.
    We have over 1,000 manufacturers that utilize the 
Manufacturing Extension Partnership Center to improve their 
businesses, but we want to be able to see how, in what way we 
can expand that.
    But at the end of the day, what I am really interested in, 
particularly hearing from our witnesses, is the ability of the 
United States to bring back manufacturing and be less reliant, 
particularly on countries that I view as not only competitors, 
but in many ways adversaries, China being the number one in 
that category.
    So I look forward to hearing from the witnesses. I again 
want to thank my colleague, Senator Baldwin, the Chair of this 
Subcommittee, on calling this hearing. And I really believe 
this is a strong area of bipartisan support that we can make a 
lot of progress on in the upcoming Congress, that unites 
Americans on areas that we all really care about, good paying 
jobs, strong economy, strong national security, and we need to 
do that.
    So thank you again, Madam Chair, and I look forward to the 
witnesses' statements.
    Senator Baldwin. Well, thank you, Ranking Member Sullivan. 
I want to start by introducing today's witnesses. Today's 
witness panel brings broad and deep knowledge of manufacturing 
and innovation to this hearing. I am so appreciative of all of 
you taking the time to come here and attend.
    Ms. Carrie Hines is the President and CEO of the American 
Small Manufacturers Coalition, an association of the Nation's 
manufacturing extension partnership centers.
    Dr. Kelvin Lee is an Institute Director for the National 
Institute for Innovation in Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals, a 
Manufacturing USA institute. He is also the Gore Professor of 
Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering at the University of 
Delaware.
    Dr. David Vasko is the Senior Director of Advanced 
Technology at Rockwell Automation, based in Milwaukee, 
Wisconsin. He is also a member of the Commerce Department's 
Visiting Committee on Advanced Technology.
    Dr. Sujai Shivakumar, am I close? Shivakumar. OK. Is 
Director of the Renewing American Innovation Project at the 
Center for Strategic and International Studies. The project 
aims to restore and maintain the United States' leadership in 
science, technology, and innovation.
    And last but certainly not least, Mr. Todd Zakreski is the 
President of HUSCO Automotive, based in Waukesha, Wisconsin. 
Additionally, as the Board Chair of the Wisconsin MEP, Mr. 
Zakreski's knowledge and advocacy have been invaluable to me in 
my work supporting Wisconsin manufacturers.
    Thank you again all for being here. And I am going to turn 
it over to Ms. Hines for her testimony, and then we can proceed 
along the line, not necessarily in the order that I introduced 
all of you. Go ahead, Ms. Hines.

       STATEMENT OF CARRIE HINES, PRESIDENT AND CEO,
          AMERICAN SMALL MANUFACTURERS COALITION

    Ms. Hines. Thank you. Thank you so much for the opportunity 
to testify today, and for focusing on the vitally important 
issue of promoting and investing in American small 
manufacturers.
    As you said, my name is Carrie Hines and I am the President 
and CEO of the American Small Manufacturers Coalition, the 
trade association of the Nation's manufacturing extension, or 
MEPs, centers and partners. The NIST MEP program is a Federal 
public, private partnership managed by NIST that provides 
small, medium sized manufacturers technology based services 
through not for profit organizations located in every state and 
Puerto Rico.
    MEP's role in the manufacturing industry is critical to the 
Nation's security and economic prosperity. MEP works with more 
than 34,000 manufacturers annually, 79 percent of which have 
fewer than 100 employees.
    In the most recent surveyed year, MEP helped these clients 
create and retain $14.4 billion in sales and more than 125,000 
jobs. These incredible impacts result in a 13.6 to 1 return to 
the Federal treasury.
    The CHIPS and Science Act included new authorities to 
expand the MEP program by providing additional expansion awards 
above and beyond the center's based funding. These expansion 
awards give the centers the flexibility they need to help 
rebuild and modernize our industrial capacity.
    They allow the MEP centers to provide services to small 
manufacturers to benefit the manufacturing industry and the 
Nation as a whole, but that are difficult for small 
manufacturers to invest in individually--services such as 
workforce programs, supply chain intelligence and connections, 
and technology applications, including cybersecurity.
    The U.S. manufacturing industry faces three primary 
workforce challenges, recruiting enough workers, training new 
workers, and upskilling current workers so that they can adopt 
state-of-the-art capabilities. MEP centers have done this for 
decades by leveraging existing state and local resources.
    But the new authorities allow centers to combine their 
efforts, share best practices and resources, and leverage each 
other's investment to scale up workforce programs nationwide. 
These programs include raising awareness about manufacturing 
careers among K-through-12 students and young adults, 
apprenticeships, and even manufacturing training programs for 
prisoners, and teaching workers new skills such as using 
artificial intelligence, smart manufacturing tools including 
robots and cobots, and how to follow new industry safety rules 
and regulations.
    Small manufacturers are vital to domestic supply chains. 
MEP plays a critical role in ensuring they remain resilient and 
competitive. During the pandemic, America depended on its 
manufacturers more than ever before, and our manufacturers rose 
to the occasion, displaying unprecedented agility and 
innovation in extremely difficult circumstances.
    Nevertheless, the pandemic highlighted two critical supply 
chain needs: maximizing the Nation's domestic manufacturing 
capabilities and enhancing resilience with risk mitigation. The 
pandemic, natural disasters, and recent international conflict 
have shown how critical supply chains are in bringing products 
to market. MEP centers across the country help maximize small 
manufacturers capabilities.
    For example, in the pandemic, MEP centers helped 
manufacturers retool to provide needed PPE, such as helping 
clothing manufacturers shift to make masks, and distilleries 
retool to make hand sanitizer, which may be why they said it 
smelled like tequila. They also find domestic suppliers.
    Recently, in the wake of Hurricane Ian, in just 6 hours, 
the MEP National Network helped a Florida-based nonprofit 
organization find critical supply--critical ventilator supplies 
to stock field hospitals and clinics in just 6 hours.
    In addition to the CHIPS and Science Act, the Inflation 
Reduction Act and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act 
provide tremendous opportunities for small manufacturing supply 
chain, particularly in the energy sector.
    Each piece of legislation intends to enhance domestic 
manufacturing, bring back critical industries, or foster an 
environment to enhance and support new industries, which are 
essential for homeland security and national defense.
    The success of these bills is dependent on a properly 
skilled workforce and robust domestic supply chain that 
includes small manufacturers. It is critical that Congress 
promote and invest in small manufacturers by expanding its 
investment in MEP to support it.
    An area of increased concern is small manufacturers' 
vulnerability to cyber-attacks. Manufacturers of all sizes are 
relying more on data, information, and technology. The biggest 
challenges that small manufacturers face in implementing 
effective cybersecurity are a lack of resources, and awareness, 
and time.
    MEP centers are ideally suited to address these challenges 
by acting as a primary source for cybersecurity information and 
best practices for manufacturers. MEPs already work with small 
manufacturing clients on a small scale to implement the NIST 
cybersecurity framework by leveraging other state and local 
programs and incentives.
    The CHIPS and Science Act provides financial assistance for 
MEP to expand these services for both awareness and 
implementation through the Expansion Work Program. The MEP 
National Network has made an indelible impact on the small 
manufacturing community over its nearly 35 year history.
    Thanks to the CHIPS and Science Act, MEP is positioned to 
take the U.S. manufacturing industry to the next level. Given 
its reach, connectivity, and impact, this cannot be done 
without increased Federal funding to implement the new 
expansion award authority.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Hines follows:]

        Prepared Statement of Carrie Hines, President and CEO, 
                 American Small Manufacturers Coalition 
                 
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today, and for focusing on 
the vitally important issue of promoting and investing in small 
American manufacturers. My name is Carrie Hines, and I am the President 
and CEO of the American Small Manufacturers Coalition (ASMC), the trade 
association of the Nation's manufacturing extension agents or 
Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) centers and partners. 

The Manufacturing Extension Partnership Program
    The MEP program is a Federal public-private partnership that 
provides small-and medium-sized manufacturers (SMMs) technology-based 
services they need to thrive in today's global economy and create good-
paying manufacturing jobs. MEP is managed by the National Institute of 
Standards and Technology (NIST) and implemented through a network of 
industry-led centers located in every state. MEP centers are not-for-
profit corporations that employ industry experts who work directly with 
manufacturers. MEP's role in the manufacturing industry is critical to 
national security and the Nation's economy. Manufacturing is one of our 
country's greatest economic strengths, producing more than 11 percent 
of GDP.\1\ Nearly 99 percent of manufacturing firms in America are 
considered small, with fewer than 500 employees.\2\
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    \1\ See NIST, ``Facts About Manufacturing Infographic,'' available 
at https://www.nist.gov/mep/manufacturing-infographics/facts-about-
manufacturing.
    \2\ See National Association of Manufacturers, ``Facts About 
Manufacturing,'' available at https://www.nam.org/facts-about-
manufacturing/.
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    As a public-private partnership, MEP delivers a high return on 
investment to taxpayers. The Upjohn Institute for Employment Research 
conducted a study of MEP in 2020 and found that the program generates a 
13.6:1 return on investment.\3\ According to an annual survey conducted 
by an independent firm, in 2021 MEP clients reported $14.4 billion new 
and retained sales and the creation or retention of 125,746 jobs.\4\ 
Considering that the average U.S. manufacturing worker earned $95,990 
in wages and benefits in 2021, MEP clients are economic drivers in 
their communities.\5\ MEP clients are also increasing their capacity 
for the production of goods. Since 1988, ``MEP played a critical role 
in supporting the U.S. economy and worked with over 132,400 
manufacturers, leading to $138.8 billion in new sales, $26.2 billion in 
cost savings and helped create and retain over 1.45 million jobs.'' \6\
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    \3\ See ``The National-Level Economic Impact of the Manufacturing 
Extension Partnership (MEP): Estimates for Fiscal Year 2020,'' at 2.
    \4\ See NIST, ``MEPNN FY21 Impacts Overview,'' available at https:/
/www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/2022/02/15/
MEPNN%20FY21%20Impacts%20Overview_FINAL-508.pdf, at 1.
    \5\ See National Association of Manufacturers, ``Facts About 
Manufacturing,'' available at https://www.nam.org/facts-about-
manufacturing/.
    \6\ NIST, ``National Institute of Standards and Technology: 
National Technical Information Service Fiscal Year 2023 Budget 
Submission to Congress,'' available at https://www
.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/2022-03/FY2023-NIST-NTIS-
Congressional-Budget-Submission.pdf, at p. NIST-123.
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CHIPS and Science Act Expansion Awards
    Growing and expanding the MEP program is essential as a matter of 
national security and economic prosperity. The CHIPS and Science Act 
included new authorities to expand the MEP program by providing 
additional ``expansion awards'' above and beyond a Center's base 
funding. These awards would enable Centers to provide expanded services 
in critical areas such as workforce, supply chain, advanced 
manufacturing, and cybersecurity. The expansion awards give the Centers 
the flexibility they need to help rebuild and modernize our industrial 
capacity.
    The new authorities help MEP provide services to small 
manufacturers that benefit the manufacturing industry and the Nation as 
a whole, but that are difficult for manufacturers to budget for because 
they do not directly impact each individual manufacturer's bottom 
line--services such as workforce programs, supply chain intelligence/
connections, and technology application. Because these capabilities are 
important for the country to develop, and because manufacturers are not 
in a position to invest in them individually, it is appropriate that 
the CHIPS and Science Act enabled MEP to invest in these areas and for 
that investment to be exempt from MEP's ordinary cost-share 
requirements.

Workforce
    The U.S. manufacturing industry faces three primary workforce 
challenges: recruiting enough workers, training new workers, and 
upskilling current workers so that they can adapt to state-of-the-art 
capabilities. MEP Centers have been addressing each of these challenges 
in their work with small and medium manufacturers across the country 
for decades by leveraging existing state and local resources. But the 
new authorities allow the Centers to combine their efforts, share best 
practices and programmatic resources, and further leverage each other's 
investment to scale-up workforce programs nationwide.
    According to MEP client survey data, 63 percent of small and medium 
manufacturers report that employee recruitment was one of their top 
three business challenges in 2021.\7\ MEP Centers address the Nation's 
manufacturing industry recruiting challenge in several ways. Centers 
educate K-12 students about manufacturing and build awareness among 
students and young adults about high-quality careers available in 
manufacturing. Centers also help manufacturers develop videos and other 
recruiting materials to help them raise their profiles in the local job 
market.
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    \7\ See ``MEPNN FY21 Impacts Overview,'' https://www.nist.gov/
system/files/documents/2022
/02/15/MEPNN%20FY21%20Impacts%20Overview_FINAL-508.pdf, at 1.
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    Training is another key way that MEP Centers address the industry's 
workforce challenges. A pre-COVID Deloitte report predicted that ``over 
the next decade nearly 3\1/2\ million manufacturing jobs likely need to 
be filled. The skills gap is expected to result in 2 million of those 
jobs going unfilled.'' \8\ If anything, the situation is worse post-
COVID. Many job seekers lack the basic employability and mechanical 
aptitude necessary for manufacturing employment. MEP Centers promote 
high school manufacturing apprenticeships, develop curricula with 
community colleges for manufacturing credential programs, engage in 
virtual reality-based manufacturing training, and provide manufacturing 
training in prison to prepare incarcerated individuals to return to 
society with valuable skills.
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    \8\ ``The Skills Gap In Manufacturing, 2015 and Beyond,'' https://
www.themadeinamericamove
ment.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Deloitte-MFG-Institute.-The-Skills-
Gap-in-the-US-MFG-21015-and-Beyond.pdf, at 2.
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    Because the industry evolves rapidly, upskilling current employees 
is vitally important. SMMs need new and upskilled workers with training 
in ``Industry 4.0'' advanced manufacturing and technology (particularly 
as American-made manufacturing grows under recent Federal legislation 
and initiatives), while at the same time a new generation of workers 
needs better training and skills, particularly individuals most 
impacted by industrial and service sector changes, coal community 
decline, and post-COVID employment disruptions. MEP Centers help 
manufacturers train employees in a wide variety of cutting-edge 
technologies, such as: using artificial intelligence to maximize the 
value of the data generated by smart manufacturing tools; using machine 
learning to baseline equipment performance, identify and alert machine 
abnormalities; training employees on new safety rules and regulations; 
and operating 3D printers and other advanced tools.

Supply Chain
    During the pandemic, America depended on its manufacturers more 
than ever before--and our manufacturers rose to the occasion, 
displaying unprecedented agility and innovation in extremely difficult 
circumstances. Nevertheless, the pandemic highlighted two critical 
supply chain needs: first, maximizing the Nation's domestic 
manufacturing capabilities, especially for critical products; second, 
enhancing resilience by identifying and eliminating single points of 
failure. With additional CARES Act funding of $50 million, MEP Centers 
were able to serve 5,396 manufacturers with 7,506 projects. Of these 
manufacturers, nearly half had never worked with MEP before. The Alaska 
MEP Center, for example, helped match those in need of PPE with over 70 
local manufacturers producing PPE and helped a number of Alaskan 
manufacturers covert their operations to produce PPE.
    The pandemic, natural disasters and recent international conflict 
also brought to light the criticality of supply chains in bringing 
products to market. MEP's unique National Network and reach to the 
Nation's small manufacturers puts it in prime position to help mitigate 
risk and respond to the industry's needs, sometimes with just hours' 
notice. Recently, FloridaMakes (Florida's MEP Center) received an 
urgent request for defibrillators and related accessories needed to 
stock field clinics and hospitals in the Southwest Florida region in 
the wake of Hurricane Ian. FloridaMakes immediately forwarded the 
request to MEP Centers nationwide and within hours, MassMEP 
(Massachusetts's MEP Center) located a Massachusetts-based supplier who 
could provide the parts needed. Within just 6 hours of receiving the 
request, a $1.9 million contract was signed and executed between the 
Florida non-profit establishing the field clinics and the 
Massachusetts-based manufacturer. It is no exaggeration to say that the 
MEP National Network played a critical role at a time of great need for 
the people of Florida.
    The CHIPS and Science Act includes authority for a Supply Chain 
Database, funding for which can be provided through Expansion Awards. 
The database will help MEP realize its full potential as a nationwide 
manufacturing supply chain intelligence network.
    Hydraulic.net, a Florida-based manufacturer and distributor of 
hydraulic pumps and other components for agriculture equipment, had 
been sourcing some cast-iron and steel parts from a supplier in the 
Kharkiv region of Ukraine, and was forced to scramble for new sources 
once Russia invaded in February 2022. Florida's MEP Center looked for 
sources in Florida and was not able to identify any appropriate casting 
suppliers that met their needs, but the Center used a national supply 
chain platform to link the manufacturer with casting houses in Illinois 
and Indiana. As a result, they were able to source their castings 
domestically.
    To help U.S. manufacturers comply with Buy American requirements, 
the MEP National Network connects them to domestic suppliers through 
its Supplier Scouting service, which leverages MEP's extensive 
nationwide supplier relationships and knowledge of U.S. manufacturing 
capabilities. The Wisconsin Center for Manufacturing & Productivity 
helped Northstar Medical Radioisotopes work within the structures of 
the Buy American policy to bring domestically manufactured, 
environmentally sound molybdenum-99 (Molly 99) to the U.S. market. 
Molly 99 is critical for medical imaging and diagnosis--and is 
traditionally sourced from foreign producers. Northstar Medical 
Radioisotopes used a cooperative agreement from the DoE to develop a 
new approach to manufacture this critical material. The MEP in 
Wisconsin helped the company negotiate the Buy American requirements 
and connect it to new medical markets.

Energy
    In addition to the CHIPS and Science Act, the Inflation Reduction 
Act and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act provide tremendous 
opportunities for the small manufacturing supply chain, particularly in 
the energy sector. Commitments at every level of American government 
plus robust market forces are bringing increasing demand for 
manufactured goods and innovative technologies for a ``new energy 
economy'' in the sectors of renewable energy, hydrogen power, low-
carbon power, smart grid improvements, green buildings, electric 
vehicles, energy efficiency, and other smart energy and reduction 
innovations.
    While the opportunities for manufacturing, supply chain expansion, 
and good jobs are tremendous, the challenge is that most SMMs are based 
in traditional industry sectors, far behind the curve on green 
manufacturing and smart energy approaches, disconnected from new energy 
economy supply chains, unaware about how new Federal stimulus programs 
will operate, and lacking a skilled workforce to fulfill these emerging 
markets. For example, the Illinois Manufacturing Excellence Center (the 
Illinois MEP Center) has 17 U.S. Department of Labor registered 
apprenticeships, including four focused on jobs in for the electric 
vehicle supply chain. There is a need to rapidly expand these types of 
rigorous and industry-relevant training models, which can be 
accomplished through the Expansion Award program. Busy manufacturers do 
not have the time or capacity to harness these new energy economy 
opportunities alone, and need robust technical assistance to get there.
    MEP provides that technical assistance through the programs 
described above. There is a key opportunity now to ensure that the new 
energy economy's technologies and products are manufactured by workers 
in America. The MEP Centers across the U.S. will help manufacturers 
navigate the new energy economy, enter new supply chains, retool 
factories, and make the parts and products needed for a diverse clean 
energy economy--all while ensuring that the future of manufacturing is 
cleaner and energy smart.

Advanced Manufacturing Services
    The MEP program is uniquely positioned to make significant advances 
in manufacturers' implementation of advanced technology given the 
program's national reach. National labs, manufacturing institutes and 
higher education's technology labs do a great job of creating advanced 
technology and research but lack the national reach that the MEP 
program possesses to get that technology to industry. The expanded 
authority in the CHIPS and Science Act would allow MEP Centers to bring 
that technology and research to the manufacturer by partnering with 
technology demonstration labs to showcase how technology can be applied 
to improve manufacturing processes, increasing the industry's 
competitiveness on a manufacturer-by-manufacturer level. The MEP 
National Network's comprehensive coverage enables this to take place on 
a truly national scale.

Cybersecurity
    An area of increased concern is small manufacturers' vulnerability 
to cybersecurity attacks. Manufacturers of all sizes are relying more 
on data, information and technology to operate their business, all of 
which can leave them vulnerable to cyber attacks. The biggest 
challenges that small manufacturers face in implementing effective 
cybersecurity are a lack of awareness, time, and resources. MEP Centers 
are ideally suited to address these challenges by acting as the primary 
source for cybersecurity information and best practices for 
manufacturers. MEP Centers already work with small manufacturing 
clients to implement the NIST cybersecurity framework.
    For example, since about 80 percent of the work at Michigan-based 
Linear Motion is for the Department of Defense (DoD), it was imperative 
that the company follow DoD's requirements to achieve Cybersecurity 
Maturity Model Certification (CMMC). The Michigan Manufacturing 
Technology Center conducted a cybersecurity assessment of its 
requirements to comply with the Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation 
Supplement (DFARS) and implementation of NIST 800-171. The Center then 
conducted several days of mentoring to help Linear Motion satisfy the 
necessary requirements to successfully reach CMMC Level 3. As a result, 
Linear Motion retained $16,000,000 in sales and 128 retained jobs. 
MEP's work in cybersecurity has been recognized in past NDAA 
legislation authorizing the DoD to provide financial assistance to 
expand that capacity.
    The CHIPS and Science Act provides financial assistance for MEP to 
expand these services for both awareness and implementation through the 
Expansion Award program.

Conclusion
    The MEP National Network has made an indelible impact on the small 
manufacturing community over its nearly 35-year history. Thanks to the 
CHIPS and Science Act, MEP is positioned to take the U.S. manufacturing 
industry to the next level given its reach, connectivity and impact. 
This cannot be done without increased Federal funding to implement the 
new Expansion Award authority.
    The CHIPS portion of the bill will challenge the American small 
manufacturing community to provide a properly skilled workforce and 
robust supply chain in support of increased semiconductor 
manufacturing. This challenge can become an opportunity for small 
manufacturers, if they are properly prepared. With Expansion Award 
authority and funding, the MEP National Network can provide on a 
national scale the services that the Nation's small manufacturers need.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you, Ms. Hines. Next, Dr. Lee.

             STATEMENT OF DR. KELVIN H. LEE, Ph.D.,
           INSTITUTE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR
        INNOVATION IN MANUFACTURING BIOPHARMACEUTICALS,
          GORE PROFESSOR OF CHEMICAL AND BIOMOLECULAR
              ENGINEERING, UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE

    Dr. Lee. Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, 
distinguished members of the Subcommittee, good afternoon. I am 
honored to be here. My name is Kelvin Lee, Institute Director 
at NIIMBL, the National Institute for Innovation in 
Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals, a Commerce-sponsored 
manufacturing innovation institute, and one of 16 current 
institutes in the Manufacturing USA network.
    Manufacturing is central to America's economic power and 
national security, and historically, we have led the world in 
the invention of and manufacturing of advanced technologies. 
However, we have lost our leadership position in manufacturing 
over the past two decades, and this is a threat to our economic 
prosperity and national security.
    We invent things here, but we make them elsewhere and 
import them. Manufacturing USA Program's purpose is to ensure 
our global competitiveness and advanced manufacturing 
innovation in jobs. It comprises 16 large public, private 
partnerships in different technology sectors.
    Each is a pre-competitive ecosystem, advancing the 
development of technologies and a skilled workforce. Small 
companies, who are the heart of innovation for so many 
industries, work inside institutes to push technologies across 
that valley of death from proof of concept into commercial 
products.
    Institutes also include State and local governments, MEP 
centers, community colleges, universities, companies within the 
supply chain, and end user manufacturing companies selling 
everything from semiconductors to airplanes to 
biopharmaceuticals, just to name a few. Today, more than 2,300 
organizations based in all 50 states have joined at least one 
of the 16 institutes.
    Let's talk about NIIMBL for a minute. Our unique sector 
focus is biopharmaceutical manufacturing, the technologies and 
workforce needed to leverage the power of biology to make 
lifesaving medicines.
    Biopharmaceuticals include everything from therapeutic 
proteins that treat autoimmune diseases to the latest cell 
therapies that some see as a cure for cancer. While the U.S. is 
an R&D leader in this space, the U.S. biopharma trade deficit 
went from $3.5 billion in 2000 to more than $85 billion in 
2020, just two decades later.
    We invent biopharmaceuticals here and then we import them 
from Ireland, Switzerland, Singapore, and other countries. 
NIIMBL is focused on helping small U.S. companies grow and 
helping big companies meet their technology needs through 
precompetitive MEP collaboration.
    We do this by advancing paradigms such as continuous 
manufacturing, by developing and deploying workforce training 
programs around the country. Speaking of workforce, we cannot 
meet our global competitiveness challenges of today by 
advancing technology alone.
    All Americans should have an opportunity to gain the skills 
needed to work in advanced manufacturing careers in factories 
near their communities, something that is the heart of a 
resilient economy. And workforce development needs aren't only 
a concern for large companies.
    Small companies need skilled, agile workforce. Even the 
U.S. Government would benefit directly and indirectly from 
people acquiring industry relevant manufacturing skills. 
America's longstanding ability to meet and overcome any crisis 
is really rooted in a spirit of innovation, manufacturing 
capability, and a people with skills and a commitment to 
succeed.
    With more technologically advanced competitors, we need a 
strategic set of policies that ensure our national security, 
economic health, and energy security. And I have four 
suggestions, described in more detail in my written testimony, 
to offer.
    First, Manufacturing USA is an established, effective, and 
proven program promoting U.S. competitiveness. It has a 2.8 to 
1 private sector co-investment for every Federal dollar and a 
substantial untapped potential. I urge this subcommittee to 
work with appropriators to ensure that there are resources to 
better support all of the institutes, and ensure that new 
initiatives build upon successes, maximize coordination, and 
minimize duplication.
    Second, as technologies mature in an institute, they must 
be demonstrated in a production relevant environment, yet there 
are few, if any, such facilities available. Scale up 
infrastructure would support small companies advancing 
technologies and could provide the U.S. with a world leading 
workforce training capability.
    I recommend the Subcommittee authorize DOC to fund the 
creation of specialized research and testing facilities. Third, 
any manufacturing innovation strategy without an emphasis on 
workforce development is going to fail. Public interest in 
manufacturing careers lags because of the perception that 
manufacturing is done in dirty, dark, and dangerous 
environments when in fact it is really done today in 
environments that are clean, cool, and quiet.
    The U.S. Government has the resources and the power to 
correct this perspective, so I recommend the Subcommittee 
explore ways to expand institute workforce development 
programs, including a national campaign to promote 
manufacturing careers to all Americans.
    Finally, I want to urge the Subcommittee to find ways to 
more widely implement the use of other--of existing other 
transactional authorities to contract with Commerce-sponsored 
institutes. Because contracting vehicles such as cooperative 
agreements can create some disincentives to companies, 
especially small companies, from engaging with institutes. I 
want to thank you for the opportunity to share my perspective.
    Our country's significant investment in early stage 
research, together with an entrepreneurial and innovative 
mindset and a skilled workforce, made us the greatest country 
in the history of the planet. But the world is changing, 
technologies are advancing, and other countries are 
implementing policies that have eroded our leadership.
    So as Marv Levy, Hall of Fame, NFL Coach of the Buffalo 
Bills from the 80s and 90s is attributed to have said, ``if you 
don't change with the times, the times are going to change 
you.''
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Lee follows:]

  Prepared Statement of Dr. Kelvin H. Lee, Ph.D., Institute Director,
 National Institute for Innovation in Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals,
        Gore Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering,
                         University of Delaware
                         
Introduction
    Chair Cantwell, Ranking Member Wicker, Chair Baldwin and Ranking 
Member Sullivan, and distinguished members of the subcommittee good 
afternoon. I am honored, and humbled, to be invited to share a 
perspective on the some of the important Department of Commerce 
investments and policies that help small and medium sized manufacturers 
compete effectively in today's global marketplace. Thank you for the 
opportunity to be with you today.
    My name is Kelvin Lee. I am the Institute Director at NIIMBL, the 
National Institute for Innovation in Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals, 
a Department of Commerce-sponsored manufacturing innovation institute. 
NIIMBL is one of 16 current institutes in the Manufacturing USA 
Network. NIIMBL's unique sector focus is on biopharmaceutical 
manufacturing innovation--the technologies and workforce needed to 
leverage the power of biology to make life-improving and life-saving 
medicines. Biopharmaceutical medicines include everything from 
therapeutic proteins and antibodies that treat autoimmune and 
neurodegenerative diseases, as well as the latest cell therapies that 
some see as cures for pediatric cancer, in addition to gene therapies 
where a single dose of medicine can be the difference between a normal 
life or several difficult years for a newborn child ultimately 
resulting in death from a motor neuron disease.

American Manufacturing and the Manufacturing USA Program
    Manufacturing is central to America's economic power and national 
security. It accounts for about 11 percent of the gross domestic 
product [1,2] and employs almost 13 
million people in good paying jobs [3]. Historically, the 
U.S. has led the world both in basic research that leads to new 
technologies, as well as in the manufacturing of high-value advanced 
technology products such as computer chips, aircraft, and medicines. 
However, U.S. leadership in advanced technology industries is not 
guaranteed [4] and over the past two decades, our country 
has lost its leadership position in manufacturing. I believe this loss 
of advanced manufacturing leadership is a threat to our economic 
prosperity and national security. We invent things here, but they are 
made elsewhere. I think all of us who have experienced the last two 
years of limited product availability because of supply chain issues 
can appreciate the benefits of inventing things here and making things 
here. I want to emphasize how important it is that we make things here.
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    The Manufacturing USA Program, authorized by the Revitalize 
American Manufacturing and Innovation Act of 2014, as 
amended,[5] establishes large-scale public-private 
partnerships to drive manufacturing innovation for advanced technology 
products. The purposes of the program include: improving 
competitiveness of U.S. manufacturing; stimulating U.S. leadership in 
advanced manufacturing research, innovation, and technology; 
facilitating the transition of innovative technologies into scalable, 
cost-effective, and high-performing manufacturing capabilities; 
facilitating access by manufacturing enterprises to capital-intensive 
infrastructure; and accelerating the development of an advanced 
manufacturing workforce; among others.
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    Each of the Manufacturing USA innovation institutes is a large-
scale public-private partnership that creates a precompetitive 
ecosystem to advance technologies that have already demonstrated proof 
of concept but have not been matured and de-risked enough to be adopted 
into commercial manufacturing processes. Many, but not all, of these 
innovative technologies are being cultivated by small and medium 
enterprises who must navigate the so-called Valley of Death as they 
seek financial support to continue to mature their technologies and as 
they ultimately look for customers or for opportunities to be acquired 
or go public. Manufacturing USA institutes are a proven, efficient, and 
effective model for de-risking and demonstrating these innovative 
technologies regardless of whether they are being developed by 
universities, small companies, or large companies.
    The institutes are end-to-end ecosystems for technology and 
workforce development in advanced manufacturing. They include state and 
local governments, Manufacturing Extension Partnership Centers, 
community colleges focused on training the workforce, universities 
pursuing applied research and pushing technologies into the 
marketplace, small and medium enterprises advancing their technologies, 
vendors in the supply chain, and end-user manufacturing companies 
selling products such as semiconductors, airplanes, biopharmaceuticals, 
automobiles, or robotics systems, just to name a few.
    By working inside a Manufacturing USA institute, small companies 
can receive non-dilutive funding to collaboratively advance and 
demonstrate their technology. Small companies can work with big 
companies that may be future customers, they can work with large 
suppliers who may be interested to acquire the technology, and they can 
work with academic and government scientists to understand and improve 
the technology. Academic institutions can ensure that workforce 
training programs are aligned with industry needs and that new research 
discoveries, often funded by various U.S. Government research agencies, 
can be developed into valuable products for society. Large companies 
can de-risk new technologies in a shared, precompetitive arena 
accelerating their adoption into new products, processes, and services. 
And state and local governments pursue their interests for regional 
economic development and job creation.
    Today more than 2300 organizations, based in all 50 states, have 
joined at least one of the 16 Manufacturing USA innovation institutes, 
of which 63 percent are manufacturing firms and over 1000 are small to 
medium businesses[6]. To give a sense of the scale, in FY 
2021 alone, these organizations were actively working on more than 700 
technology projects among the institutes and engaged over 90,000 people 
in advanced manufacturing workforce skills development.[6]
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    The 16 institutes that comprise the Manufacturing USA Network each 
have one of three primary sponsoring agencies: the Department of 
Commerce, the Department of Defense, or the Department of Energy. 
NIIMBL is sponsored by the National Institute of Standards and 
Technology (NIST) within the Department of Commerce.

NIIMBL
    I realize that my comments have been at a conceptual level, and I 
want to share something more specific that speaks to how an institute 
can function. NIIMBL is focused on biopharmaceutical manufacturing. 
Unlike traditional small molecule generic medicines which are primarily 
regulated based on the product itself, biopharmaceuticals are regulated 
based on the manufacturing process. The biopharmaceutical manufacturing 
industry is extremely risk averse to implement new manufacturing 
technologies into their processes because it is difficult to know what 
questions health authorities may have about how a new technology works. 
Answering those questions can delay speed to market and speed to 
patient and as a result, businesses often make decisions to rely on 
previously accepted approaches rather than newer approaches.
    Moreover, companies must navigate a globally diverse environment of 
regulations--each country's health authority maintains its own 
expectations and process for approving medicines. Here in the United 
States that responsibility rests with the Food and Drug Administration. 
In Canada the responsibility rests with HealthCanada, in Switzerland 
the responsibility is with SwissMedic, and so on. An approval to use an 
updated manufacturing process in one country does not ensure approval 
in another country and so relying on older existing approaches is a 
better business decision than employing different manufacturing 
processes (one conventional and one innovative) to make the same 
product for use in different countries. As a result, companies tend to 
choose traditional manufacturing technologies and approaches for which 
there is broad understanding and experience even if innovative 
approaches are available. However, once a new manufacturing technology 
is accepted and adopted somewhere within the industry, other companies 
are quick to embrace those approaches because they confer improved 
efficiency, reliability of supply, and other benefits to companies and 
patients. Within our community, we talk about the notion that when it 
comes to manufacturing technologies, companies would rather be a fast 
second to implement a new technology rather than to be first. By de-
risking technologies, our goal at NIIMBL is to have all companies go 
first together.
    The NIIMBL mission is to accelerate biopharmaceutical manufacturing 
innovation, support the development of standards to enable more 
efficient and rapid manufacturing capabilities, and educate and train a 
world-leading biopharmaceutical manufacturing workforce, fundamentally 
advancing U.S. competitiveness in this industry [7]. While 
the U.S. is a global R&D leader in this space, U.S. biopharmaceutical 
manufacturing productivity is 40 percent lower in 2020 than it was in 
2006--a bigger drop than any other manufacturing sector [5]. The U.S. 
biopharmaceutical trade deficit was $3.4 billion in 2000 and an 
astonishing $85.7 billion in 2020--only two decades later 
[5]. Examples of countries that lead in biopharmaceutical 
manufacturing and workforce development include Ireland, United 
Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland, and Singapore.
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    An example of how NIIMBL works. One area in which NIIMBL seeks to 
transform biopharmaceutical manufacturing is in the evolution from 
batch to continuous processing--an evolution that many other industrial 
sectors have gone through such as oil refining, metal smelting, paper, 
automobiles, and foods. The benefits of continuous manufacturing relate 
to efficiency, flexibility, cost, and speed, among others. The current 
state of the art commercial monoclonal antibody manufacturing processes 
are batch processes. Bioreactors are used to grow cells that express an 
antibody. Those materials are collected, purified, and formulated into 
vials, IV bags, or syringes. The resulting antibody treatments are 
targeted for patients with various forms of cancer, autoimmune 
disorders, metabolic and infectious diseases. It is very likely that 
every person in this room has either received an antibody treatment or 
knows someone who has had their life improved, or saved, by such a 
treatment.
    Antibodies can be made by continuous manufacturing. Most of the 
companies I talk to have demonstrated that capability in their own 
facilities using their proprietary continuous manufacturing processes. 
The technology works, yet commercial production is still by batch 
processing rather than by continuous processing. To move the field 
forward, NIIMBL brings together diverse companies including drug 
developers, vendors and suppliers of equipment, small businesses, and 
academics, to work on a non-proprietary continuous manufacturing 
testbed. Within NIIMBL, hundreds of subject matter experts from dozens 
of companies collaborated over the past two years to design a 
continuous manufacturing process that is generally (but not 
specifically) the same as the proprietary platforms in the company 
labs--with the notable exception that the NIIMBL process is shared. 
Scientists from different companies can work alongside each other and 
with those from academia and government to turn the proverbial knobs on 
the equipment to develop a shared understanding of how continuous 
manufacturing works. They can take those learnings back inside their 
own companies to gain confidence in this approach. Vendors and 
suppliers can work on standardized solutions to streamline supply 
chains. And small companies with innovative technologies can test their 
technologies in the testbed to show the improvements that can be made.
    We see the desire by companies, and by the U.S. Government, to 
increase domestic biopharmaceutical manufacturing capacity going 
forward. Our vision for the future of continuous manufacturing is a 
future where there are smaller, less expensive, more flexible, and more 
geographically distributed manufacturing facilities. A future where 
first-generation continuous manufacturing factories are being built in 
the US, while NIIMBL works on demonstrating second and third generation 
continuous manufacturing paradigms. This future will result in a more 
resilient supply of medicines, increased patient access and more and 
better jobs. Our NIIMBL continuous manufacturing testbed, not to 
mention 100+ other technology innovation projects at NIIMBL, are going 
to help us realize this vision.
    Neither NIIMBL, nor any of the Manufacturing USA innovation 
institutes, can meet the global competitiveness challenges of today by 
advancing technology alone. Our country must also focus on workforce 
development. NIIMBL's workforce development programs are designed to 
ensure that these new factories, which are ideally geographically 
distributed around the country, can be staffed by skilled workers who 
are also located around the country. All Americans should have an 
opportunity to gain the skills needed to work in this important 
industry, or in advanced manufacturing careers generally, and all 
Americans should have access to those opportunities near their 
communities. Realizing this vision for the American manufacturing 
worker is vital to having a resilient economy. But workforce 
development needs aren't only a concern for large manufacturing 
companies. Small companies need skilled, agile workers; and even the 
U.S. Government will benefit directly, and indirectly, from a much 
greater focus and investment on people acquiring industry-relevant 
manufacturing skills.

Four Considerations for the Future as Opportunities to Improve
    America's long-standing ability to meet and overcome any crisis is 
rooted in a spirit of innovation, a capability to manufacture, and a 
people with skills and a commitment to succeed. Multiple global events 
over the past few years have challenged America's ability to respond 
rapidly to threats and there are gaps to be addressed to ensure 
America's national, economic, health, and energy security in the face 
of such threats and the rise of more technologically advanced 
competitors. As Chair of the Manufacturing USA Institute Directors 
Council, I believe we must create a coordinated set of strategic 
investments, including policy and regulatory updates, that build upon 
existing institutions, address gaps, and anticipate future needs.

1) Enhance and expand upon the successes of the Manufacturing USA 
        Program.
    The Manufacturing USA Program is an established, effective, and 
proven program that promotes U.S. competitiveness. Institutes have 
demonstrated significant amounts (2.8 to 1) of non-Federal co-
investment for every Federal dollar [6]. However, our 
investment as a nation for advanced manufacturing innovation is 
relatively small compared to other countries. Relative to the need, 
institutes have very limited resources available to support ecosystem 
development and workforce development for their sectors. For example, 
the United Kingdom has a similar program called the Catapult Network. 
Their broad-based initiative includes three institutes that work in the 
same technical area as NIIMBL. Based on a variety of public sources and 
press releases, we estimate that the UK government invested about $1 
billion USD for biopharmaceutical manufacturing innovation for the 
period of 2015 to May 2021. That amount is roughly 12 times more in 
absolute dollars than the U.S. investment in NIIMBL over that same time 
period and about 90 times more investment than the U.S. when normalized 
to GDP. The other Manufacturing USA innovation institutes almost 
certainly have similar examples. Other countries want to be the home of 
global innovation and manufacturing and the U.S. must scale our 
investments appropriately to ensure our economic and national security.
    Beyond the issue of funding for any single institute, the 
collection of institutes is intended to serve as a network providing a 
national competitive advantage. By ensuring complementarity of 
technology sectors, institutes can collaborate on technologies allowing 
each ecosystem the ability to bring their own expertise and 
capabilities to help address each other's needs. For example, CESMII, 
the Department of Energy-sponsored Smart Manufacturing Institute could 
provide valuable expertise to support NIIMBL's future vision of 
continuous manufacturing. As a network, we have not yet achieved our 
potential because of resource constraints. Moreover, the authorization 
of exciting new innovation-centered programs such as DOC's Regional 
Technology and Innovation Hubs and the NSF's Technology, Innovation, 
and Partnerships Directorate risks duplication of effort. I urge the 
Subcommittee to 1) work with appropriators to ensure there are adequate 
resources for DOC to provide more support to all institutes for their 
own work and to collaborate across the network, and 2) ensure new 
initiatives build upon existing successes, maximize coordination, and 
minimize duplication.

2) Capital Investment in Demonstration Facilities.
    A key gap in U.S. competitiveness relates to manufacturing scale-up 
infrastructure in this country. Manufacturing USA innovation institutes 
seek to mature and de-risk technologies to the point of commercial 
adoption. However, as a technology matures the cost to make such 
demonstrations also increases, largely influenced by the need to test 
the technology in real-world manufacturing environments. Such 
environments have high utilization rates by companies and therefore are 
not available for testing purposes. Investments to create such 
infrastructure around the Nation for various sectors, would help 
Manufacturing USA innovation institutes move technologies from proof of 
concept all the way through commercial realization. Without such 
infrastructure, manufacturing technologies may mature to a point, then 
move overseas for final demonstration and adoption as competitor 
nations benefit from early-stage U.S. technology development. The 
ability and investment to establish such specialized research and 
testing facilities here in the U.S. will support small manufacturers 
de-risking their technology. It can also be the basis for a national 
network of workforce training facilities that would provide the U.S. 
with world-leading workforce training capabilities. I recommend the 
Subcommittee consider explicit language authorizing DOC to invest and 
create such specialized research and testing facilities through the 
Manufacturing USA Program.

3) Advance a National-Scale Manufacturing Careers Campaign and Program.
    I believe that any advanced manufacturing innovation strategy 
without a clear emphasis on workforce and talent development will fail. 
Current Manufacturing USA innovation institutes have an incredible 
range of effective programs that connect people to skills, leading to 
careers. NIIMBL's eXperience program partners with historically black 
colleges and universities and other minority serving institutions to 
introduce students to biomanufacturing careers. Our friends at the DoD-
sponsored LIFT institute run Operation Next, an innovative training and 
credentialing program to transition active-duty soldiers nearing the 
end of their service into high demand manufacturing fields. The 
FlexFactor program run by the NextFlex institute is a highly successful 
STEM outreach program to introduce students to advanced manufacturing 
technology careers--it's so successful that many other institutes, 
including NIIMBL, are working to adapt the FlexFactor framework to 
their own industry sector. Despite these great programs, meeting the 
workforce needs of today, and tomorrow, can't be done by inspiring or 
training on a local level alone. The U.S. needs a significant upgrade 
in how we think about manufacturing careers. The impression of dirty, 
dark, and dangerous environments still persists, even though, for 
example, a biopharmaceutical manufacturing facility is clean, cool, and 
quiet. Only the U.S. Government has the resources and power to change 
this perspective rapidly. Without such a change, and an available and 
ready workforce, companies will continue to build their factories where 
they can get talent and that poses risks to our competitiveness. I 
understand that solutions to this important question are both within 
the Committee's jurisdiction and might also require collaboration with 
others. I recommend the Subcommittee explore ways to significantly 
expand advanced manufacturing workforce and talent development programs 
by Manufacturing USA institutes including a national campaign to 
promote manufacturing careers that would be available to all Americans.

4) OTAs: Ensuring Efficient and Effective Use of Federal Resources 
        Aligned with the Goals.
    Across the 16 institutes, there are a variety of contracting 
vehicles that have been used by the Department of Commerce, Department 
of Defense, and Department of Energy to work with the institutes. Some 
of these vehicles are Cooperative Agreements and others rely on Other 
Transactional Authority (OTAs). The industry-led nature of the work of 
the institutes, including an emphasis on working with small 
manufacturers to advance their technologies, is well-aligned with the 
concept of OTAs which were established as ways to permit Federal 
agencies to work with non-traditional contractors and small businesses 
to prototype and advance technologies and allow close collaboration 
between the Federal agency and the partner. Our experience is that the 
use of Cooperative Agreements is not as efficient nor effective for 
working within ecosystems as large as a Manufacturing USA innovation 
institute such as NIIMBL, and its use can create disincentives to 
participation by companies. I urge the Subcommittee to find ways to 
have the DOC Manufacturing USA Program adopt the use of existing other 
transactional authority for DOC-sponsored institutes to facilitate 
enhanced interactions between institutes and small and large 
businesses.

Conclusions
    I am grateful to have the opportunity to share my perspective on 
American manufacturing, the role of small to medium enterprises, 
Manufacturing USA, and our global competitiveness. Our history as 
leaders of research and development of advanced technologies and a 
domestic capability for manufacturing those technologies was no 
accident. Our country's significant investment in early-stage science 
and technology together with an entrepreneurial and innovative mindset, 
and a skilled and capable workforce made us the greatest nation in the 
history of the planet. However, the world is changing, technologies are 
advancing, and other countries are investing and implementing policies 
that have eroded our leadership position. We must not wait!
    As Marv Levy, Hall of Fame NFL coach of the Buffalo Bills from the 
1980s-90s, is attributed to have said: ``If you don't change with the 
times, the times are going to change you''.
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    Senator Baldwin. Thank you, Dr. Lee. And now Mr. Zakreski.

        STATEMENT OF C. TODD ZAKRESKI, PRESIDENT, HUSCO
           AUTOMOTIVE LLC AND BOARD CHAIR, WISCONSIN
           MANUFACTURING EXTENSION PARTNERSHIP (WMEP)

    Mr. Zakreski. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Baldwin and 
Ranking Member Sullivan. Thank you for the opportunity to 
testify about the role of small and medium sized enterprises in 
advancing domestic manufacturing, and the potential support 
that the Commerce Department can provide through its 
manufacturing extension partnership.
    I am President of HUSCO Automotive, a medium sized, 
minority owned, Wisconsin based, global manufacturer of highly 
engineered hydraulic and electromagnetic controls for current 
and new automotive propulsion systems.
    I am also the current Board Chair of the Wisconsin 
Manufacturing Extension Partnership, providing me the unique 
position of being both an MEP consumer, and directly connected 
witness to the exceptional value and return on investment that 
the MEP system delivers to America's SMEs.
    My first experience with the WMEP was in my current role at 
HUSCO. And prior to joining the WMEP board, 5 years ago, HUSCO 
embarked on a venture to design and build our own advanced 
manufacturing equipment. As we developed into becoming our own 
integrator, we decided also we wanted to help small 
manufacturers in Wisconsin solve their manufacturing 
challenges.
    The WMEP provided multiple manufacturing specific programs 
and venues for us to introduce our capabilities and 
competencies to just such a group. We connected with a small 
manufacturer in need of solving a complicated packaging problem 
that was difficult for the operator to execute by hand, making 
a three shift per day, 5 days a week task frustrating and 
physically unpleasant.
    The issue was also creating internal capacity constraints 
causing lost sales and profits. Our advanced manufacturing 
group established a unique solution that eliminated the need 
for the operator to execute the specific task. We built the 
machine, introduced it to their shop floor, and successfully 
eliminated the problem.
    The small manufacturer, with the help of the WMEP, secured 
training for the operator such that he gained new skills 
associated with providing technical support and maintenance for 
this and several other production equipment machines on their 
factory floor.
    As simplistic of an example that this specific engagement 
represents, it was a powerful statement across several areas 
pertaining to key elements of the MEP mission. And sometimes it 
is the simplest success stories that carry the most insight 
into the way forward.
    First, through their targeted technology and services 
programs and statewide manufacturing events, they introduced a 
small manufacturer to local sources of relevant advanced 
manufacturing technology and integration.
    Second, they facilitated the development of a machine 
operator such that he could step into a more value adding role 
for both the company and for his overall personal situation. I 
share this story because it represents how two SMEs, one with 
an advanced manufacturing solutions capability, connected and 
collaborated through the MEP system, and advancing the state of 
manufacturing the common good, developing a workforce such that 
both the business and the worker realize a positive outcome.
    To be globally competitive--and no, strike that, to be the 
clear global leader of the most advanced technologies and 
manufacturing processes in the world, we must embrace and grow 
organizations like the MEP, who onboard some of the best talent 
across all aspects of manufacturing, leveraging their many 
years of expertise in their respective areas to help guide 
their SMEs and ultimately all of America's manufacturers toward 
that goal.
    The MEPs are perpetual drivers of innovation in product and 
process. They have mastered how to couple that with helping how 
to find the right paths of development for the workforce. The 
link between onboarding advanced technologies and processes and 
connecting SMEs with the right training for its workforce, is 
an especially important attribute of the MEP expertise 
portfolio that I wanted to highlight here for you today.
    Another area I would like to touch on is supply chain. 
HUSCO Automotive has experienced its own share of challenges in 
securing material from overseas and has been working hard over 
the last 3 years to move parts to local sources. As Board Chair 
of the WMEP, I have had the opportunity to see several 
engagements that have solved supply chain problems.
    Help us find a source for this part in the United States as 
we can no longer afford supply chain delays from overseas 
sourcing due to volatility in freight schedules, international 
shipping costs, and political unrest is a common ask of our 
consultants. The MEP system is a natural leader to help solve 
this problem.
    As more and more MEP engagements occur, America's SMEs will 
become the best global solution for supply. In fact, it is 
happening already. At the WMEP, I have seen multiple SME 
manufacturers that we have engaged with grow their sales by 15 
percent plus and becoming that onshore solution thanks to the 
process and improvements and new investments in advanced 
manufacturing technology and workforce development, all guided 
by WMEP consultants.
    With more success stories like these, which I have 
witnessed at the WMEP, we will be able to move even more 
quicker in getting SMEs to play a bigger role being that 
onshoring solution. An additional benefit to these types of MEP 
engagements that will also come out of the proposed CHIPS Act 
MEP investment, there will be a national database of suppliers 
that will be available for MEPs, system wide access and use to 
help identify high potential local source options, facilitating 
fast, cost effective solutions to these supply chain problems.
    It truly will be a game changer when it comes to further 
assisting manufacturers find onshoring solutions. Senators, 
expanding MEP is a critical seed in the CHIPS and Science Act. 
As you well know, for every $1 in Federal investment, MEP 
generates $26 in new sales growth, and $34 in new client 
investment.
    MEP-led innovation in manufacturing related products and 
processes, coupled with training our workforce to support these 
new technologies, will only further evolve the small and mid-
sized manufacturers here in the United States.
    As expanded MEP--an expanded MEP system, thanks to the 
CHIPS Act, investment will be a foundation for America's SMEs 
to build their own opportunity for exponential growth through 
local supply of material, new product and process technology, 
and a highly skilled workforce.
    I leave you this afternoon with both my WMEP Board Chair 
and SME leader hats on and ask that you continue to support 
CHIPS and Science Act and the designated funding for the MEP 
Network. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Zakreski follows:]

Prepared Statement of C. Todd Zakreski, President, Husco Automotive LLC 
 and Board Chair, Wisconsin Manufacturing Extension Partnership (WMEP)
 
    Good afternoon, Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan, and 
distinguished Members of the Committee. Thank you for the opportunity 
to testify about the role of small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) 
in advancing domestic manufacturing and the potential support that the 
Commerce Department can provide through its Manufacturing Extension 
Partnership (MEP). I am President of Husco Automotive, a medium sized, 
minority-owned Wisconsin based global manufacturer of highly engineered 
hydraulic and electromagnetic controls for current and new automotive 
propulsion systems. I am also the current Board Chair of the Wisconsin 
Manufacturing Extension Partnership, providing me the unique position 
of being both a MEP consumer and directly connected witness to the 
exceptional value and return on investment that the MEP system delivers 
to America's SME's.
    My first experience with the WMEP was in my current role at Husco 
and prior to joining the WMEP board. Five years ago, Husco embarked on 
a venture to design and build our own advanced manufacturing equipment. 
As we developed into becoming our own integrator, we decided we also 
wanted to help small manufacturers in Wisconsin solve their 
manufacturing challenges. The WMEP provided multiple manufacturing-
specific programs and venues for us to introduce our capabilities and 
competencies to just such a group. We connected with a small 
manufacturer in need of solving a complicated packaging problem that 
was difficult for the operator to execute by hand, making the 3-shift 
per day/5 days-a-week task frustrating and physically unpleasant. The 
issue was also creating internal capacity constraints causing lost 
sales and profits. Our Advanced Manufacturing Group established a 
unique solution that eliminated the need for the operator to execute 
this specific task. We built the machine, introduced it to their shop 
floor and successfully eliminated the problem. The small manufacturer, 
with the help of the WMEP, secured training for the operator such that 
he gained new skills associated with providing technical support and 
maintenance for this and several other production equipment machines on 
their factory floor. As simplistic of an example this specific 
engagement represents, it was a powerful statement across several areas 
pertaining to key elements of the MEP mission. Sometimes, it is the 
simplest success stories that carry the most insight into the best way 
forward. First, through their targeted technology and services programs 
and state-wide manufacturing events, they introduced a small 
manufacturer to local sources of relevant advanced manufacturing 
technology and integration. Second, they facilitated the development of 
a machine operator such that he could step into a more value-adding 
role for both the company and his overall personal situation. I share 
this story because it represents how two SME's, one with an advanced 
manufacturing solutions capability connected and collaborated thru the 
MEP system in advancing the state of manufacturing for the common good 
and developing the workforce such that both the business and the worker 
realize a positive outcome.
    To be globally competitive . . . no, strike that, to be the clear 
global leader of the most advanced technologies and manufacturing 
processes in the world, we must embrace and grow organizations like the 
MEP, who onboard some of the best talent across all aspects of 
manufacturing, leveraging their many years of expertise in their 
respective areas to help guide our SME's, and ultimately all of 
America's manufacturers, toward that goal. The MEP's are perpetual 
drivers of innovation in product and process. And they have mastered 
how to couple that with helping to find the right paths of development 
for the workforce. The link between onboarding advanced technologies 
and processes and connecting SME's with the right training for its 
workforce is an especially important attribute of the MEP expertise 
portfolio that I wanted to highlight here for you today.
    Another area I would like to touch on is supply chain. Husco 
Automotive has experienced its share of challenges in securing material 
from overseas and has been working hard over the last 3 years to move 
parts to local sources. As Board Chair of the WMEP, I have had the 
opportunity to see several engagements that have solved supply chain 
problems. `Help us find a source for this part in the United States as 
we can no longer afford supply chain delays from overseas sourcing due 
to volatility in freight schedules, international shipping costs, and 
political unrest' is a common ask of our consultants. The MEP system is 
the natural leader to help solve this problem. As more and more MEP 
engagements occur, America's SME's will become the best global solution 
for supply. In fact, it's happening already. At the WMEP, I have seen 
multiple SME manufacturers that we have engaged with grow their sales 
by 15 percent+ and becoming that onshore `solution' thanks to process 
improvements and new investments in advanced manufacturing technology 
and workforce development--all guided by WMEP consultants. With more 
success stories like these which I have witnessed at the WMEP, we will 
be able to move even quicker in getting SME's to play a bigger role 
being that `onshoring' solution.
    An additional benefit from these types of MEP engagements that will 
also come out of the proposed CHIPS Act MEP investment will be a 
national database of suppliers that will be available for MEP's system-
wide to access and use to help identify high potential, local source 
options facilitating fast, cost effective solutions to these supply 
chain problems. It truly will be a game changer when it comes to 
further assisting manufacturers find `onshoring' solutions.
    Senators, expanding the MEP is a critical `seed' in the CHIPS and 
Science Act. As you well know, for every one dollar of Federal 
investment, MEP generates $26 in new sales growth and $34 in new client 
investment. MEP-led innovation in manufacturing related product and 
process coupled with training our workforce to support these new 
technologies will only further evolve the small and mid-size 
manufacturers here in the United States. An expanded MEP system, thanks 
to the CHIPS Act investment, will be the foundation for America's SME's 
to build their own opportunity for exponential growth through local 
supply of material, new product and process technology, and a highly 
skilled workforce. I leave you this afternoon with both my WMEP Board 
Chair and SME leader hats on and ask that you support the CHIPS and 
Science Act and the designated funding for the MEP network.
    Thank you for your time and consideration.

    Senator Baldwin. Thank you, Mr. Zakreski. I just want to 
explain, you will see a little shuffling around. We have just 
had a vote called on the Senate floor, and so we are going to 
take turns.
    Ranking Member Sullivan is going to go cast his vote, 
return, and then I will put the Committee into his control 
while I do the same. And I am expecting other members to come 
in and out during that.
    So, apologies to our witnesses for the disruptions, but 
let's carry on with Dr. Shivakumar.

         STATEMENT OF SUJAI SHIVAKUMAR, Ph.D., DIRECTOR
              AND SENIOR FELLOW, RENEWING AMERICAN
            INNOVATION PROJECT, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC
                   AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES

    Dr. Shivakumar. Chair Baldwin, and Ranking Member Sullivan, 
and others who may come in and out, my name is Sujai 
Shivakumar. I am a Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic 
and International Studies.
    As a bipartisan, nonprofit policy research organization 
dedicated to advancing practical ideas to address the world's 
challenges, CSIS's purpose is to define the future of national 
security. Accordingly, CSIS has launched a major program called 
Renewing American Innovation, which I lead.
    RAI's purpose is to strengthen the policy foundations that 
have created the most dynamic and successful innovation system 
in history, and which is the foundation of our national 
security today and in the future.
    So thank you so much for this opportunity to testify today 
about the importance of manufacturing and innovation to our 
national security. Innovation, in fact, has long been cited as 
a critical to addressing the Nation's challenges in economic 
growth and national security, and improving the health and 
well-being of Americans.
    It is also important to recognize that our innovation 
system itself is a national security asset, one that underpins 
our continued prosperity and competitiveness, and military 
strength. This asset has to be rejuvenated as new global 
realities and opportunities arise.
    As we know, other countries in recent decades have invested 
in building their innovation systems, recognizing it to be an 
engine for their own rapid economic development and national 
strength. They now have the means and often the will to 
capitalize on the investments that we make in R&D.
    China, for example, is investing heavily in building up its 
workforce and manufacturing infrastructure, enabling that 
nation to capitalize on the new ideas generated by our world 
class research system. This strategy allows them to develop 
advanced weapons and create competitive products for the global 
markets more rapidly. We then need a new strategy for this 
technologically multipolar world.
    A strategy informed by a better understanding of the 
innovation process. So this term, innovation ecosystem, is used 
frequently, but it requires--but what it does, it describes a 
rich networks of cooperation among scientists and researchers, 
entrepreneurs and investors, small and large manufacturers, 
high skill and technically skilled workers, as well as local, 
State, and Federal agencies.
    This process, when it works well, is both bottom up and top 
down. It is actually federalism in action, and it is arguably 
the secret sauce behind American technological leadership. But 
this system does not work--does not exist in a vacuum.
    It relies on all of these actors overcoming a variety of 
barriers to cooperation. They need to speak the same technical 
language. They must be able to share their ideas securely and 
easily. They need to convince investors of the values of their 
ideas, and they need to find able partners and collaborators to 
scale up and manufacture products, creating jobs and creating 
regional growth.
    Fortunately, the solutions to many of these problems exist, 
and Congress needs to upgrade and reinvest in these solutions, 
while engineering new ones that strengthen our national 
innovation system. So what can Congress do to strengthen the 
American innovation system?
    Permit me to briefly outline six priorities for America's 
small and medium manufacturers. First, Congress should 
reinforce U.S. standards leadership. Leadership in setting 
standards has long allowed the United States to set the terms 
of the global technology conversation, but this leadership is 
under threat.
    China's leaders recognize that the commercial and national 
security advantages of standards leadership, especially in 
emerging communications technologies. They have embarked on a 
China Standards 2035 strategy plan and are actively 
participating in global standards setting organizations.
    The role of NIST in working with the private sector to 
develop global technological standards needs to be reinforced 
by vigorous American re-engagement in organizations such as the 
ITU. Second, Congress should secure the patent system. Strong 
intellectual property rights ensure that individuals can 
benefit from their ingenuity and hard work, creating an 
opportunity to monetize new ideas.
    Third, Congress should encourage entrepreneurship. 
Americans celebrate entrepreneurship, but entrepreneurial small 
businesses often find it challenging to demonstrate their 
ideas, commercial potential to investors.
    Federal programs like the Small Business Innovation 
Research Program can help bridge this gap through merit based 
awards. SBIR alerts potential investors to technologies with 
commercial viability, improving the functioning of private 
capital markets.
    Congress can help the SBIR by stabilizing this program and 
making it more predictable. Fourth, Congress should continue to 
focus on U.S.-based manufacturing. National and regional 
investments in manufacturing undertaken by our foreign 
competitors are significantly larger than comparable U.S. 
investments and are more weighted toward later stage applied 
research and product development.
    In response, the United States has sought to build the 
Manufacturing USA institutes, which are loosely modeled on a 
German Fraunhofer system and are designed to support 
translational innovation by companies, particularly by small 
firms.
    But while the program has significant potential to 
strengthen our innovation efforts, these institutes are 
underfunded. With just some 14 institutes, Manufacturing USA is 
a relatively lean program compared to the 70 plus Fraunhofers, 
and China also has borrowed the manufacturing center concept 
and has apparently expanded significantly.
    Fifth, Congress should connect regional resources. The 
innovation system as a network of networks can be strengthened 
by building connections across existing research, financing, 
and manufacturing assets, and the NIST MEP program is an 
indispensable asset in this regard. The CHIPS and Science Act 
expands MEP to help these manufacturers improve cybersecurity, 
worker training, and supply chain resiliency.
    As we have heard, this support of course is welcomed, but 
it needs to be followed up by sustained and substantial funding 
from Congress. It is a long term effort. Finally, Congress 
should build and broaden a skilled technical workforce.
    Renewing our innovation system requires overcoming decades 
of underinvestment in our own citizens. Congress can support 
and enhance strategies ensuring that all stakeholders, 
including students, workers, employees, educational 
institutions, have the right information, tools, and incentives 
to improve access to quality, technical education and training.
    In that regard, as an example, the Department of Labor has 
supported innovative efforts to strengthen the talent pipeline 
in the semiconductor industry through the efforts of the 
National Institute for Information Technology, an institution 
designed to support regional talent development on a virtual 
platform that can generate scalable and stackable credentials 
for the rapidly growing needs of the semiconductor industry, 
and that the model can also be transferred to other industries 
as well.
    So overall, our Nation's innovation system, which as I 
mentioned, is the foundation of our economic competitiveness 
and national security, is continually strengthened by 
encouraging new ideas, nurturing entrepreneurship, and 
fostering cooperative connections.
    As I have outlined, there is no silver bullet, we need to 
do all of the above, but on a sustained basis and at scale. In 
times past, Congress has repeatedly stepped up to renew and 
strengthen our innovation system, and this is a critical 
opportunity to do this again. Thank you for your attention.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Shivakumar follows:]

 Prepared Statement of Sujai Shivakumar,  Ph.D., Director and Senior 
  Fellow, Renewing American Innovation Project, Center for Strategic 
  and International Studies
                       
Securing the U.S. Innovation System
    Chair Baldwin, Ranking Member Sullivan and Members of the 
Subcommittee, my name is Sujai Shivakumar, Senior Fellow at CSIS, where 
I direct the project on Renewing American Innovation. As a bipartisan, 
nonprofit policy research organization dedicated to advancing practical 
ideas to address the world's challenges, CSIS's purpose is to define 
the future of national security. Accordingly, CSIS has launched a major 
program called Renewing American innovation, which I lead. RAI's 
purpose is to strengthen the policy foundations that have created the 
most dynamic and successful innovation system in history to strengthen 
our national security today and in the future.
    Thank you for the opportunity to testify today about the importance 
of manufacturing and innovation for our national security.

Innovation as a National Security Asset
    Innovation has long been critical to addressing the nation's 
challenges in economic growth and security, and to improving the health 
and wellbeing of Americans. Indeed, it is important to recognize that 
our innovation system is itself a national security asset--one that 
underpins our continued prosperity, competitiveness, and military 
strength. This asset has to be rejuvenated as new global realities and 
opportunities arise.
    Much of today's industrial strategy was designed in the 1950s to 
meet our needs during the Cold War. At that time, Congress invested in 
the nation's continued technological leadership by creating new 
institutions such as the National Science Foundation, expanding the 
National Institutes of Health, and by developing new infrastructure for 
research and development through the organization of National 
Laboratories and increased funding for research universities.
    Federal policy in the postwar period focused on funding research 
and development at the front end while enabling the commercialization 
and procurement of new technologies at the back end, allowing new 
products to reach the market. Early procurement of semiconductors 
through the Minuteman and Apollo spaceflight programs allowed us to 
take an early and strong technological lead, becoming a key element of 
our economic and military superiority over the Soviet Union.

An Innovation Ecosystem for a Multipolar World
    Today we can no longer rely on this strategy alone because other 
countries in recent decades have invested in building their innovation 
systems, recognizing it as an engine for their own rapid economic 
development and national strength. They now have the means and often 
the will to capitalize on the investments we make in R&D. China, for 
example, invests heavily in building up its workforce and manufacturing 
infrastructure, enabling that nation to capitalize on the new ideas 
generated by our world class research system. This strategy allows them 
to develop advanced weapons and create competitive products for global 
markets.
    We need a new strategy for a technologically multipolar world, a 
strategy informed by a better understanding of the innovation process. 
The term ``innovation ecosystem'' is now widely used to describe rich 
networks of cooperation among scientists and researchers, entrepreneurs 
and investors, small and large manufacturers, high-skilled and 
technically skilled workers, as well as local, state, and federal 
agencies. This process, when it works well, is both bottom-up and top-
down--it is federalism in action, and it is arguably the secret sauce 
of American technological leadership.
    But this system does not exist in a vacuum. The innovation system 
relies on all these actors overcoming a variety of barriers to 
cooperation--they need to speak the same technical language, they must 
be able to share ideas securely and easily, they need to convince 
investors of the value of their ideas, and they need to find able 
partners and collaborators to scale-up and manufacture products, 
creating jobs and regional economic growth. Fortunately, solutions to 
many of these problems exist and Congress needs to upgrade and reinvest 
in these solutions while engineering new ones to strengthen our 
national innovation system.

Strengthening the Innovation System
    What can Congress do to strengthen the American Innovation System?

   Congress should Reinforce U.S. Standards Leadership: 
        Technical standards provide the shared vocabulary and grammar 
        that allows researchers, manufacturers, and consumers to speak 
        the same language across the innovation ecosystem. Leadership 
        in setting standards has long allowed the U.S. to set the terms 
        of the technology conversation, but this leadership is under 
        threat. China's leaders recognize the commercial and national 
        security advantages of standards leadership, especially in 
        emerging communications technologies. They have embarked on a 
        China Standards 2035 strategy and are actively participating in 
        global standards-setting organizations. The role of the 
        National Institute for Standards and Technology in working with 
        the private sector to develop global technological standards 
        needs to be reinforced by vigorous American reengagement in 
        organizations such as the International Telecommunications 
        Union. We need to recognize that organizations that were 
        previously not the focus of U.S. policy makers' attention now 
        need to be--they are certainly high on China's policy agenda.

   Congress should Secure the Patent System: Strong 
        intellectual property rights ensure that innovators can benefit 
        from their ingenuity and hard work, creating an opportunity to 
        monetize new ideas. However, in the American system, 
        patents are important not only as incentives to invent, but as 
        incentives to share ideas. The ability to protect an idea 
        provides the security inventors need to bring their innovations 
        into the public forum and forge commercial collaborations with 
        other innovators through licensing agreements. The U.S. needs 
        to maintain the role that its patent system has played in 
        spurring innovation against those who would benefit from weaker 
        enforcement, including defending it vigorously against poaching 
        of intellectual property belonging to small business by large 
        businesses, and by brazen theft through cyber intrusions by 
        China and other rivals. In addition to maintaining our patent 
        system so that it continues to protect our innovative small and 
        medium enterprises we need to include courses in cyber defense 
        as a routine part of our science, engineering, and business 
        education curriculum. Congress can further support this by 
        beefing up our national cyber defense infrastructure.

   Congress should Encourage Entrepreneurship: Americans 
        celebrate entrepreneurship and recognize that failure is often 
        a step on the path to commercial success. But entrepreneurs 
        often find it challenging to demonstrate their idea's 
        technological potential to investors. Many promising 
        technologies are lost to the so-called ``Valley of Death'' 
        between early-stage research and commercial adoption due to 
        lack of sustained investment. Federal programs like the Small 
        Business Innovation Research Program (SBIR) help bridge this 
        gap through merit-based awards. A key finding of a major 
        National Academy of Sciences study \1\ is that SBIR alerts 
        potential investors of technologies with commercial viability, 
        improving the functioning of private capital markets. Congress 
        needs to institutionalize this exceptionally effective program, 
        one that is widely emulated abroad as a best practice in 
        innovation policy. \2\
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    \1\ National Research Council. An Assessment of the SBIR Program. 
Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2008. https://doi.org/
10.17226/11989.
    \2\ Jonathan M. Barnett. Innovators, Firms, and Markets: The 
Organizational Logic of Intellectual Property. Oxford University Press, 
2021.

   Congress should Continue to Focus on US based Manufacturing: 
        Seeking to capture the global market opportunity in emerging 
        technologies, major U.S. competitors in Europe and East Asia 
        have launched targeted, large-scale programs, with significant 
        government funding to develop these new technologies, refine 
        them, and ultimately manufacture them within their national 
        borders. National and regional investment undertaken by our 
        foreign competitors are significantly larger than comparable 
        U.S. investment and are more weighted toward later-stage 
        applied research and product development. In response, the 
        United States has sought to build a nationwide network of 
        cooperative research Centers, known as the Manufacturing USA 
        institutes, which are loosely modeled on the German Fraunhofer 
        system and are designed to support translational innovation by 
        companies--particularly small firms. While the program has 
        significant potential to strengthen innovation networks, these 
        programs are underfunded. With just 14 institutes, 
        Manufacturing USA is a relatively lean program compared to the 
        70+ Fraunhofers. China, by contrast, has borrowed the 
        Manufacturing Center concept and apparently has expanded it 
        significantly.\3\
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    \3\ National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 
Securing Advanced Manufacturing in the United States: The Role of 
Manufacturing USA: Proceedings of a Workshop. Washington, DC: The 
National Academies Press, 2017. https://doi.org/10.17226/24875.

   Congress should Connect Regional Resources: The innovation 
        system, as a network of networks, can be strengthened by 
        building connections across existing research, financing, and 
        manufacturing assets at the state and regional level. The NIST 
        Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) helps small- and 
        medium-sized manufacturers make these connections so that they 
        have the resources needed to improve efficiency, reduce costs, 
        create new products, and find new markets.\4\ The CHIPS and 
        Science Act expands MEP to extend its work with small- and 
        medium-sized manufacturers to improve cybersecurity, worker 
        training, and supply chain resiliency. This support is welcome 
        and needs to be followed up with sustained and substantial 
        funding from Congress. Above all, it has to be a long-term 
        effort.
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    \4\ National Research Council. 21st Century Manufacturing: The Role 
of the Manufacturing Extension Partnership Program. Washington, DC: The 
National Academies Press, 2013. https://doi.org/10.17226/18448.

   Congress should Build and Broaden a Skilled Technical 
        Workforce: Renewing America's innovation system requires 
        overcoming decades of underinvestment in the American 
        workforce. Federal efforts must encourage training programs 
        anchored on industry-relevant skills and must promote hands-on 
        experience through industry internships and in community 
        colleges through public-private partnerships. In response to 
        globalization and advances in science and technology, American 
        firms are demanding workers with strong interpersonal, 
        technical, and problem-solving skills. Employers also 
        increasingly cite the presence of a skilled workforce as a key 
        factor in decisions to re-shore production.\5\ Congress can 
        support and enhance strategies ensuring that all stakeholders, 
        including students, workers, employers, and educational 
        institutions, have the right incentives to improve the quality 
        of technical education and training, and develop new models of 
        governance to encourage fruitful experimentation and 
        collaboration. Universities, like other institutions, need to 
        adapt to new challenges--and they need the right incentives to 
        do so.
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    \5\ National Research Council. Rising to the Challenge: U.S. 
Innovation Policy for the Global Economy. Washington, DC: The National 
Academies Press, 2012. https://doi.org/10.17226/13386.
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A New Agenda
    Our nation's innovation system--which is the foundation of our 
economic competitiveness and national security--is continually 
strengthened by encouraging new ideas, nurturing entrepreneurship, and 
fostering cooperative connections. As I have outlined, there is no 
silver bullet. We need to do all of this on a sustained basis. In times 
past, Congress has repeatedly stepped up to renew and strengthen this 
critical national asset. That opportunity is at its door again.

    Senator Baldwin. Yes. Thank you, Dr. Shivakumar. And we 
are--last but not least, Mr. Vasko, welcome.

       STATEMENT OF DAVID VASKO, SENIOR DIRECTOR, ADVANCED
               TECHNOLOGY, ROCKWELL AUTOMATION

    Mr. Vasko. Thank you, Chair Baldwin, and Ranking Member 
Sullivan, and distinguished panel. My name is David Vasko. I am 
Senior Director of Advanced Technology at Rockwell Automation. 
I have worked in this field for 38 years.
    Rockwell was founded as Allan Bradley in 1903, and they are 
a global leader of industrial automation and digital 
transformation. We are headquartered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 
We employ nearly 26,000 employees, serving customers throughout 
100 countries. It would be difficult to walk into a factory 
today and not see any of our products being used.
    We like to say by the time you get to work, you probably 
have used four or five products we have helped to create, from 
coffee to breakfast to transportation to energy or fuel. So why 
is a large company like Rockwell Automation here to talk to you 
about small manufacturing?
    Rockwell partners with small and medium enterprises, SMEs, 
every day to provide automation products and solutions, 
enabling them to be globally competitive. SMEs are vital part 
of our and our Nation's integrated supply chain.
    U.S. manufacturers are being challenged with global supply 
chain disruptions and greater demands for mass customization, 
driving reshoring of manufacturing, both a great opportunity 
and a challenge for SMEs.
    The CHIPS and Science Act supports this reshoring trend by 
strengthening domestic chip manufacturing and creating a 
stronger manufacturing ecosystem. We recommend focusing on four 
critical areas to achieve this vision.
    First, we need to build the workforce to succeed. The MEPs 
can help to inform young Americans that manufacturing jobs are 
attractive, high tech, clean, safe, and offer family sustaining 
wages to help increase the number of workers seeking careers in 
manufacturing.
    The National Association of Manufacturers estimates 
approximately 800,000 unfilled manufacturing positions today, 
and this is projected to increase to 2.1 million by 2030. These 
are solid, high paying careers.
    Second, promote the upskilling of our current workers, as 
well as new employees entering the workforce, ensuring they 
have the skills they need for tomorrow's manufacturing. 
Upskilling not only increases the workers' salaries, but 
provides them with versatile skills to ensure rewarding, 
lifelong careers.
    Third, MEP and Manufacturing USA should increase the 
productivity of workers by adoption of advanced automation 
tools and solutions. These are the automation tools and 
solutions we see developed every day in the 16 Manufacturing 
USA institutes.
    The U.S. has a remarkable workforce, equipping them with 
the best automation tools, including advanced tools like 
artificial intelligence, augmented reality, robotics, and cloud 
based analytics will ensure they will be successful. And 
fourth, we need to ensure SMEs remain an integral part of the 
modern, interconnected supply chain.
    We are seeing gaps emerged manufacturing between the best 
and the rest. Leading manufacturers are deploying advanced 
automation technologies and cybersecurity hardening to drive 
unprecedented productivity, resiliency, flexibility required in 
today's global markets. But many manufacturers struggle with 
adopting these practices, and this is especially true for the 
SMEs.
    The MEP and tech hubs are vital to achieving this goal. 
Rockwell has been a member of four of the Manufacturing USA 
institutes. Each institute focuses on critical technical areas 
in specific to different areas of being in factoring. These 
projects are generally conducted with suppliers, academics, and 
manufacturers to demonstrate real life applications of these 
technologies and to facilitate adoption.
    Let me give you one example of a project we worked on in 
Manufacturing USA's advanced regenerative manufacturing 
institute, ARMI/BioFab. In a laboratory environment, research 
scientists were able to generate a person's own cells, tissues, 
and parts of some organs, a medical miracle that virtually 
eliminates the possibility of rejection and the need for immune 
suppression in patients.
    But it is a large step from a lab experiment to producing 
these regenerative solutions, to the quality, quantity, cost, 
and location where they are used and where they are needed. And 
that is where Manufacturing USA comes in. We worked with the 
scientists there to develop a scalable, modular, closed loop 
system, which isn't much larger than this desktop we are behind 
today, that allows cells and tissues to be produced at volume 
with controlled quality.
    Rockwell applauds the spotlight the CHIPS and Science Act 
has put on American manufacturing. Federal investment 
supporting American entries will revitalize our world class 
manufacturing ecosystem, support our workers, and ensure future 
supply chain resiliency.
    Rockwell appreciates the Subcommittee's continued 
leadership and support and welcome the opportunity to testify 
at this hearing. We look forward to continued collaboration 
with you and your staff to ensure America can maintain and 
enhance our leadership in advanced manufacturing for years to 
come.
    Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Vasko follows:]

     Prepared Statement of David Vasko, Senior Director, Advanced 
                    Technology, Rockwell Automation
                    
    Good afternoon, Chair Baldwin and Ranking Member Sullivan, and 
distinguished Members of the subcommittee. Thank you for this 
opportunity to speak with you today about the value and continued 
importance of our Nation's manufacturing, supply chain and workforce 
development.
    My name is David Vasko. I am the Senior Director of Advanced 
Technology for Rockwell Automation, responsible for applied research 
and development and global product standards and regulations. I have 
been working in this field for 38 years and am honored to serve on the 
Department of Commerce's National Institute of Science and Technology 
(NIST) Visiting Committee on Advanced Technology.
    Founded in 1903 as Allen Bradley, Rockwell Automation--
``Rockwell''--is a global leader in industrial automation and digital 
transformation. We connect the imaginations of people with the 
potential of technology to expand what is humanly possible, making the 
world more productive and more sustainable. Headquartered in Milwaukee, 
Wisconsin, Rockwell employs nearly 26,000 problem solvers dedicated to 
our customers in more than 100 countries.
    Rockwell's automation tools help our customers produce key products 
and solutions Americans need and use every day, including electric 
vehicle and automotive parts and components, pharmaceuticals and 
vaccines, food and beverages, medical devices, chemicals, printing, 
paper and publishing materials, products and components for the defense 
industry, semiconductors, and extractable minerals, oil, and gas. 
Additionally, Rockwell's products and systems operate critical 
infrastructure such as power generation and water treatment facilities. 
Our products permeate across our Nation's manufacturing ecosystem. In 
fact, it would be difficult to walk into a factory in the U.S. and not 
see our hardware and software helping manufacturers to become more 
competitive, agile, and sustainable.
    Rockwell partners with small- and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) 
every day to provide automation products and solutions enabling them to 
be globally competitive and deliver high quality products and services. 
SMEs are a vital part of our Nation's integrated supply chain.
    U.S. manufacturers are facing a new era of uncertainty and change 
because of global supply chain disruptions, and greater demands for 
mass customization. These upheavals have spurred new opportunities, 
driving reshoring and localization of manufacturing--both a great 
opportunity and a challenge for SMEs.
    The CHIPS and Science Act aims to support this reshoring trend by 
strengthening domestic chip manufacturing and creating a stronger 
manufacturing ecosystem--from a more robust supply chain to a greater 
skilled manufacturing talent pool.
    To ensure a stronger domestic ecosystem for generations to come, 
the Commerce Department, through its Manufacturing Extension 
Partnership (MEP), Manufacturing USA (MUSA) initiative, should focus on 
four areas:

  1.  Attracting more workers to seek careers in manufacturing.
  2.  Improving the skills of people in manufacturing today to prepare 
      them for the future.
  3.  Adoption of advanced automation tools and solutions to improve 
      productivity.
  4.  Supporting further integration of SMEs into our modern connected 
      supply chains.

    First, the CHIPS legislation, although a great step towards 
codifying industrial policy, will fall short of its ambition unless we 
build and cultivate the workforce necessary to succeed. The largest 
generation in U.S. history, baby boomers, is aging out of the 
workforce, hitting the manufacturing sector particularly hard. The 
shortage of manufacturing workers is not only demographic but cultural 
as well. The new MEP authorities must show, and convince, young 
Americans that manufacturing jobs are high-tech, clean, safe, and offer 
family-sustaining wages, to help increase the number of workers seeking 
careers in manufacturing. The National Association of Manufacturers 
estimates that the approximately 800,000 unfilled manufacturing 
positions could increase to nearly 2.1 million by 2030. These are 
solid, high-paying careers, but there is a perception that 
manufacturing, and factory jobs are low-skilled, low-paying, menial, 
and hazardous. That couldn't be further from the truth in today's high-
tech manufacturing.
    Second, the Department of Commerce should implement new regulations 
promoting the upskilling of our current workers as well as upskilling 
new employees entering the workforce. This means leveling up our 
manufacturing workers and ensuring they have the skills they need for 
tomorrow's manufacturing. Upskilling means adopting a model of life-
long learning to meet the needs of employers as well as take advantage 
of the latest technology. Upskilling not only increases worker 
salaries, but it also arms them with versatile skills that will ensure 
future job security as consumer demands change, and create rewarding, 
lifelong careers.
    To tackle the critical skills shortage in the fast-evolving 
manufacturing sector, in 2017 Rockwell and ManpowerGroup developed the 
Academy of Advanced Manufacturing (AAM)--a joint initiative to provide 
U.S. military veterans with the upskilling they need to succeed in 
advanced manufacturing roles. The 12-week training program combines 
instructor-led classroom learning with hands-on technical laboratory 
experience. More than 300 veterans have gone through the training and 
become certified, resulting in more than 85 percent of graduates 
securing a job paying on average between $60,000-$75,000 annually after 
completing the program. Programs such as this could be replicated and 
scaled in high-need areas to address the skills gap.
    Third, MEP and MUSA should increase the productivity of each worker 
by adoption of advanced automation tools and solutions. These are the 
automation tools and solutions we see developed every day in the 16 
Manufacturing USA institutes. The U.S. has a remarkable workforce and 
equipping them with advanced automation tools--like artificial 
intelligence or machine learning, augmented reality, robots, and cloud-
based software--will give these workers the superpowers needed to 
remain globally competitive and will continue to increase employment.
    Fourth, we need to ensure that SMEs remain an integral factor in 
today's modern and inter-connected supply chains. We are seeing gaps 
emerge in manufacturing between the best manufacturers and the rest. 
Leading manufacturers are deploying advanced technologies such as 
Augmented Reality/Virtual Reality, Artificial Intelligence/Machine 
Learning, Digital Twins, cloud, additive manufacturing, wireless 
networking, and advanced robotics to drive unprecedented productivity, 
resiliency and flexibility required to be competitive in today's global 
markets, and then securing it with robust implementation of 
cybersecurity strategies. But most manufacturers are unable to do these 
things at this time--especially SMEs. Cloud solutions are particularly 
important because they democratize automation and reduce large capital 
investments which can be a barrier to SME adoption.
    We need to ensure all U.S. manufacturers can adopt these solutions 
so they can keep pace with the larger players in the industry. The MEP 
program and technology and innovation hubs can be that bridge and can 
help enable SMEs to adopt advanced manufacturing solutions.
    Beyond revitalizing the manufacturing of today, the MUSA program is 
critical to accelerating the manufacturing growth needed for tomorrow's 
innovations. Rockwell has been a member of four out of the 16 American 
manufacturing institutes, including CESMII, MxD, REMADE, ARMI/
BioFabUSA, and collaborated with NIIMBL. Each institute focuses on 
critical technical gaps in specific areas of manufacturing with the 
goal of resolving these critical gaps and delivering these solutions to 
U.S. manufacturers. Typically, these projects are jointly conducted 
with suppliers, academics, and manufacturers to demonstrate the real-
life applications of these technologies. It goes beyond writing an 
article, and applies the technology on a manufacturing line, factoring 
in all the required real-world constraints.
    Manufacturing USA provides solutions to these deep technical gaps, 
needed to develop cutting-edge technologies and innovations, and we 
must continue to fund these and new institutes to tackle America's 
emerging needs.
    Let me give you an example of a project we worked on at the 
Manufacturing USA ARMI/BioFabUSA Institute where research scientists 
were able to demonstrate remarkable regenerative medical solutions. In 
a laboratory environment, they were able to regenerate a person's own 
cells, tissues and parts of some organs, a medical miracle that 
eliminated the possibility for rejection and the need for immune 
suppression medication in patients. But it is a large step from a lab 
experiment to producing these regenerative medical solutions at the 
quantity, quality, cost, and location where they are needed. That is 
where Rockwell comes in--we worked with the research scientists at 
ARMI/BioFabUSA to develop a scalable, modular, closed loop system that 
isn't much larger than a desktop. This type of manufacturing suite is 
quite typical in manufacturing processes but revolutionary in 
regenerative medicine. It allows cells and tissues to be produced at 
volume and with controlled quality.
    Rockwell applauds the spotlight the CHIPS and Science Act has put 
on American manufacturing industry. After decades of offshoring jobs 
and overreliance on foreign supply chains, Federal investments 
supporting American industries will revitalize our truly world class 
manufacturing ecosystem; support our workers; and ensure future supply 
chain resiliency through local sourcing. But beyond legislation 
adoption, we must ensure proper implementation, cultivate a reliable 
skilled workforce here at home, and expand the MEP's role through the 
creation of regional tech hubs so SMEs can keep up with the latest 
innovations and ensure the success of manufacturing in the U.S. for 
current and future generations.
    Rockwell appreciates the Subcommittee's continued leadership and 
support, and we welcome the opportunity to testify at this critical 
hearing. We look forward to continued collaboration with you and your 
staffs to ensure that America can maintain and enhance our global 
leadership in advanced manufacturing for years to come.
Acronyms

AAM                          Academy of Advanced Manufacturing
ARMI/BioFabUSA               Advanced Regenerative Manufacturing
                              Institute
CESMII                       Clean Energy Smart Manufacturing Innovation
                              Institute
CHIPS                        Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce
                              Semiconductors
MEP                          Manufacturing Extension Partnership
MUSA                         Manufacturing USA
MxD                          Manufacturing times Digital
NIIMBL                       National Institute for Innovation in
                              Manufacturing Biopharmaceuticals
NIST                         National Institute of Science and
                              Technology
REMADE                       Reducing EMbodied-energy And Decreasing
                              Emissions
SME                          Small and Medium-sized Enterprise
 


    Senator Baldwin. Thank you for your testimony. Thank you 
all for your testimony. We are now going to begin a round of 5 
minute questions from members of our subcommittee. I will note, 
since it perhaps wasn't made clear prior, that we do have 
several people who are joining remotely.
    We have implemented that since the beginning of the 
pandemic. And so you may, as the afternoon moves on, have some 
of those questions come. You will be able to see and hear the 
individuals when that happens. I want to start with myself, and 
with Mr. Zakreski. Thank you again for making the trip to 
Washington, D.C.
    It is great to have you here. You mentioned in your 
testimony that MEP has helped Wisconsin manufacturers increase 
their capacity so that they can become a supplier for domestic 
manufacturers who may have big orders to fill.
    We often think of reshoring as bringing back capacity that 
was totally gone. But it sounds like in some cases this 
reshoring or supply chain shortening is a matter of getting 
small manufacturers to grow so that they can work with bigger 
partners.
    Can you elaborate a bit on that dynamic and explain how MEP 
has been able to help in that upshoring?
    Mr. Zakreski. Absolutely. Chair Baldwin, thank you for the 
question. The small manufacturers have really embraced some of 
the activities that the MEP system is deploying through 
improving efficiencies within the small manufacturer, through 
providing solutions, to enhancing capacity.
    The WMEP, for example, has a large group of consultants 
with an extensive list of expertise and strengths. And what 
they do is, they go into the small manufacturer, they assess 
their situation, they assess the challenges that they have, 
whether it be capacity, whether it be cost, whether it be an 
awareness issue of just getting their name out so that larger 
OEMs can actually understand that they are a solution for them, 
and the MEP steps in and provides that guidance.
    They provide the tools, they provide them with the 
introductions to the organizations that they need to enhance 
their operations. And by doing that, it really creates a much 
more competitive situation for that small manufacturer, such 
that the larger manufacturers now, it makes sense for them.
    Not only does it offset the logistics problems, as it 
offset the political unrest challenges that they have had, but 
probably the big piece of that is that it creates a more cost 
competitive solution that makes them competitive against the 
overseas option.
    Senator Baldwin. Right. Thank you. Dr. Lee, you noted in 
your testimony that we invent things here, but those inventions 
often are manufactured elsewhere.
    In my opening remarks, I mentioned my Invent Here, Make 
Here legislation which was inspired by stories of federally 
funded breakthroughs being licensed to Chinese manufacturers 
due to a lack of interest by investors in the United States.
    In your experience, what are some of the concerns that 
manufacturers and their investors have on their minds when 
considering licensing Federal innovations? And how can 
Government address some of those concerns in order to encourage 
more domestic production of these cutting edge inventions--
sorry, innovations?
    Dr. Lee. Thank you very much for that question. I think 
there is an aspect of Government marching rights as it applies 
under the current Bayh-Dole Act, but I actually don't think 
that is a driver.
    So I want to mention it, but I don't think that is the 
driver. I think the bigger way to think about this is as 
technologies are invented, they have to mature in order to 
ultimately be valuable to society and therefore valuable to 
companies.
    And as things are invented, they are still at a pretty 
early stage in many cases. And so as investors or as big 
companies look at the portfolio of technology options, they may 
not have the risk tolerance to take something that is 
relatively early stage and mature it themselves to realize that 
benefit later.
    And if you look at other countries or you look at other 
ecosystems around the world, they may have a different risk 
tolerance profile which might make them attracted. I think that 
is exactly to the heart of what Manufacturing USA institutes 
are supposed to do, to take those early stage proof of concept 
inventions, mature them here, make them available here, ensure 
there is a workforce here to understand how to use and deploy 
those technologies, and help create that environment that we 
all seek to support our economic security.
    Senator Baldwin. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next in 
order is Senator Sullivan. I am going to be departing to try to 
cast my vote. The order after that, if full committee Chair 
Cantwell arrives, we are going to turn to her for opening 
statements and questions.
    If she does not, Senator Peters has been on remotely since 
the beginning of the meeting, and he would be called on next. 
All right, Senator Sullivan.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, let me--I 
am going to start with just a general question, and it relates 
to manufacturing and input of manufacturing, and I would like 
all of you to just touch on it.
    My state, we are trying to be a much bigger manufacturing 
state, but we are a huge energy state. And having low cost, 
reliable American energy, whether it is renewables or oil or 
natural gas, I think, provides comparative advantages to us in 
a whole host of areas. We also do it with the highest 
environmental standards of any place in the world.
    Can you guys--can I get all the witnesses to just briefly, 
but just talk about from your perspective in the areas that you 
are focused on, what it means to have reliable, domestic 
supplies of American energy for manufacturing and how important 
that is.
    And maybe we will just start along the line here with you, 
Ms. Hines to begin with.
    Ms. Hines. Thanks, Senator. It is a great question. It is 
critically important that we do our best to create low cost, 
reliable energy for manufacturers. As we have seen things being 
disrupted internationally, we have got to have that option for 
our manufacturers----
    Senator Sullivan. And if it is domestic produced, all the 
better?
    Ms. Hines. All the better, of course. Definitely----
    Senator Sullivan. Well, you wouldn't--I mean, I agree, of 
course. But trust me----
    Ms. Hines.--needs to be said.
    Senator Sullivan.--there are certain people. We are--the 
Biden Administration just lifted sanctions on Venezuela to 
import more oil from Venezuela. And we have a very big project 
in Alaska called the Willow Project that they are still looking 
to shut down. So it is, of course, to most people, but not 
everybody, unfortunately, so I appreciate your directness and 
honesty on that.
    Ms. Hines. Sure. Obviously, the energy sector with a lot of 
investments in the energy sector, there is a lot of reason for 
manufacturers to really increase their workforce skills in that 
area, technologies in that area.
    So not only creating it here but learning how to use it 
effectively and efficiently in their manufacturing facilities. 
So there is a big opportunity there for manufacturers to, 
again, look how that technology can influence their 
manufacturing processes and also make sure that we are 
upskilling the current workforce to be able to adapt to those 
new energies.
    So that is critically important to manufacturers across the 
country that we have those.
    Senator Sullivan. And energy is kind of manufacturing too, 
right, with all the inputs and----
    Ms. Hines. Yes, absolutely.
    Senator Sullivan. Great. Dr. Lee, do you have a view on 
that?
    Dr. Lee. Yes, thank you. I will look at it from the lens of 
sort of the biopharmaceutical manufacturing industry.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes, right.
    Dr. Lee. Which is to start by saying, I think we want to be 
able to control our energy future.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes.
    Dr. Lee. To the extent to which we can control that, then 
we can have that stability and that reliability through 
whatever----
    Senator Sullivan. And again, mostly domestically--to the 
extent we can----
    Dr. Lee. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so the reason I raise 
that is, when it comes to manufacturing of biopharmaceuticals, 
it is actually an industry that is pretty risk averse. When it 
thinks about where am I going to put my next factory?
    Senator Sullivan. Yes----
    Dr. Lee. Of course there are a variety of considerations 
related to where is the R&D done, where is the workforce done.
    There might be tax and other financial incentives to 
consider, but certainly the stability of the environment, the 
stability of energy, the stability of the workforce, the 
stability of policies, that all drives a lot of that 
decisionmaking. So I think it is critical.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes. Mr. Zakreski, what about you and 
HUSCO?
    Mr. Zakreski. Thank you, Senator Sullivan. I think my 
comment will be more along the lines of that I think domestic 
energy means more jobs here in the U.S., whether that is 
Alaska, whether that is North Dakota----
    Senator Sullivan. Right.
    Mr. Zakreski. But for me, as a leader of a U.S. based 
company who is also trying to localize a lot of material from 
overseas back to the U.S., that equates to jobs.
    And that means that there are more jobs for our suppliers, 
there are more opportunities for suppliers. And I have to 
believe that the more domestic energy that we can generate and 
consume, whether it is renewable, whether it is gas----
    Senator Sullivan. Yes, all the above, right. We have it in 
abundance for the whole country. I don't discriminate. You have 
got American energy and it is helping American workers and 
American industry, let's do it. Good. Great.
    Mr. Zakreski. Yes.
    Senator Sullivan. Dr. Shivakumar, do you have a view on 
that, sir?
    Dr. Shivakumar. Well, I think that Senator, as you pointed 
out, energy is manufacturing. And I think almost everything 
that this panel has said about the importance of having a 
secure manufacturing ecosystem, to make sure that we have 
reliable and adequate energy for our industry is essential.
    I think it not only is integral to our other industries, 
but it also supports our domestic innovation ecosystem, which 
as I mentioned in my earlier remarks, is critical for our 
national security.
    Senator Sullivan. Let me just real quick to follow up with 
you before I get to Mr. Vasko, you are an expert on our 
relationship with China and competing with China.
    One thing I know, because I read the reporting and 
everything, the Chinese Communist Party leadership is very 
afraid of America's energy dominance. It is an area where we 
have giant strategic advantages internationally, and they don't 
have them. They are very reliant, as a matter of fact, on those 
kind of supplies.
    Have you seen that in your studies at all, just what they 
worry about in terms of energy, because it is a big comparative 
advantage we have relative to China?
    Dr. Shivakumar. I agree with you. Our ability to be self-
sufficient in energy is a major strategic advantage for us.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes. Great. Dr. Vasko--or Mr. Vasko, do 
you have any views on this in your business and some of the 
work you have done?
    Mr. Vasko. Sure. Absolutely, Senator Sullivan. All of the 
manufacturing that is done requires energy. And we have seen 
that within the supply chain disruptions we have had. The 
better you control those, the better off you are.
    So having a local source of energy, having control of that, 
having low cost energy helps America's manufacturers become 
more competitive. There is no doubt about that.
    Senator Sullivan. And resist supply shocks, too, like we 
saw in the 70s.
    Mr. Vasko. Absolutely. Absolutely.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. See, we have unanimity on a big 
topic, so that is very good. OK, I am going to turn it over. Is 
Senator Peters on still or--? Senator Blumenthal. OK.

             STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, 
                 U.S. SENATOR FROM CONNECTICUT

    Senator Blumenthal. Senator Peters is not on.
    Senator Sullivan. OK.
    Senator Blumenthal. So I am happy to jump into the breach, 
so to speak. Thank you all for being here. This is a very 
important topic, as you have gathered at a very busy time in 
our schedules, so I apologize for the lack of full attendance 
here. We have been talking a little bit about energy.
    I want to talk about a different kind of energy, human 
energy. As I go around the State of Connecticut and every time 
I am back, which is every weekend I go back at the end of the 
week, I come down on Mondays, I try to visit businesses, mainly 
small and medium sized businesses.
    And the most common refrain that I hear is, we can't find 
people to fill these jobs. Sometimes it is, can't find people 
with the right skills to fill these jobs. And in every sphere 
of manufacturing, I hear it again and again.
    So my question, first of all, to I guess, Mr. Zakreski, 
because you are the one who actually runs a business here, if I 
am not mistaken. You are in charge of your business. And I 
don't know what things are like in Wisconsin, but I am 
wondering whether you have any thoughts about the, really the 
skilled workforce challenge that the United States faces today.
    In my view, it is the biggest challenge of this country 
right now. We can talk in very abstract terms about capital, 
about supply chains, but if we don't have people to make things 
or to implement the grand designs that companies may have, big 
companies but also small companies, we are not going to have 
supply chains or manufacturing.
    Mr. Zakreski. Thank you, Senator Blumenthal. And I spent 8 
years of my life growing up in East Hartford, Connecticut, and 
so it is a pleasure to actually get to meet you today.
    Senator Blumenthal. Wonderful.
    Mr. Zakreski. You are absolutely correct in the how much of 
a challenge it is to find people. I want to share with you a 
story that I can get a little emotional about, but I want to 
share it with you because it is important, is that we really 
struggle to find second and third shift people to meet the 
demand earlier in the year.
    Working with the Wisconsin Lutheran Services and Manpower, 
we were introduced to some Afghani refugees who were in 
Wisconsin. And we were able to bring a few of them on and then 
a few more and a few more. We made accommodations to adjust 
them and help them with the culture.
    We ended up with now over 20 Afghan refugees from--and who 
were placed in Wisconsin, rescued from a horrible situation. 
And that saved our rear end in the first half of the year 
because we were able to get the workers that we needed. But 
that is an example of just a creative pathway to finding help 
in that area.
    Now, as you point your point out, besides just the 
operators that we needed for the second, third shift, finding 
engineering talent is a challenge. But there are programs that 
are starting to get some legs within our state, and I am sure 
within some of the other states, STEM programs that--programs 
like our Waukesha County Business Alliance have and introducing 
young high school kids to and elementary school kids to 
manufacturers and getting them excited about going in and 
working with automation, with other types of technologies.
    So there is a lot going on. It doesn't help now, but I see 
a light that really kind of gives me some hope that between 
maybe some opportunities in our immigration policy, coupled 
with the opportunities that a lot of organizations are 
delivering, State and Federal organizations, I see a lot of 
hope in the future in this space. But right now, it is a 
challenge.
    Senator Blumenthal. That is a very hopeful and in fact, 
inspiring answer. And I might just make the point, we have had 
the same experience in Connecticut with Afghan refugees. They 
want to work. They are thrilled to learn a skill. They are 
bedazzled by the opportunity to understand English and go to 
work.
    And I might just say, although it is not directly relevant 
to this hearing, but for the benefit of my Republican 
colleagues, I am very hopeful that the bipartisan Afghan 
Adjustment Act will be adopted before the end of this session, 
because it will give those refugees a more permanent status in 
this country, an opportunity to continue to work for you and 
businesses in Connecticut and others like them around the 
country.
    Same with Ukrainian refugees who are coming to this 
country, who have the same kind of work ethic and desire to 
learn. So I think your answer both on the general need for more 
skilled people with the kind of training that we can afford 
them, I am glad that there is a glimmer of hope, but I think we 
really need to focus on it.
    And unfortunately, my time has expired, and colleagues have 
come to ask their questions. But any ideas that any of you 
have, if you want to submit them in writing or comment later in 
the course of this hearing, I think it is a real challenge, and 
I apologize that I don't have more time. Thank you.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Senator Blumenthal. Senator 
Young.

                 STATEMENT OF HON. TODD YOUNG, 
                   U.S. SENATOR FROM INDIANA

    Senator Young. Well, thank you, Chairman, for holding this 
hearing. I want to thank our panelists for being here today. 
Manufacturing is just so important to my state of Indiana. We 
are the most manufacturing intensive state in the country on a 
per capita basis.
    So my constituents expect that I advocate on behalf of our 
manufacturing economy. Roughly a quarter of the output in my 
state is attributable to the manufacturing sector, and about 
one out of every six workers works in the sector, and of course 
is an important sector to our Nation's economic health and our 
global competitiveness as well, to say nothing of national 
security.
    The CHIPS and Science Act is some legislation I led on in 
concert with Senator Schumer, and of course, now law, it as 
some of you know, incentivizes semiconductor companies to re-
shore back here to the United States of America, and in the 
process, not only creates good paying jobs, will help ensure 
that we have a more secure supply chain moving forward.
    We have had some fabs, as they are known, locate in the 
industrial Midwest in the wake of that announcement. SkyWater 
Technology in the state of Indiana, roughly $2 billion 
semiconductor facility being constructed in West Lafayette, 
Indiana.
    And then the CHIPS and Science Act has a related provision 
pertaining to tech hubs, that is the identification of centers 
of excellence, regions of excellence across the country that 
will be so designated as a sort of market signal so that 
workers in these industries of tomorrow can be trained, those 
areas can receive special dispensation through public law to 
incentivize the creation of more startup companies, and the 
market signal for venture capitalists to go into those 
designated areas and make investments.
    So I have high hopes for the CHIPS and Science Act, and I 
wanted to ask Ms. Hines, how you believe the CHIPS and Science 
Act will impact our small American manufacturers, which is why 
we are here today to discuss them.
    Ms. Hines. Thank you so much, Senator, for that question. 
First of all, I think it can impact small manufacturers in two 
ways, one of which is really expanding the MEP program through 
the expansion awards and helping them increase their 
competitiveness in supply chain workforce and technology, 
specifically cybersecurity.
    The other one you mentioned too is the regional tech hubs. 
And the regional tech hubs are really important within CHIPS 
and Science because it kind of takes about MEP does on a state 
level, which is integrate local and state resources at the 
State level, but expands them regionally, because we know 
manufacturing isn't just within a state's boundaries.
    Especially with the supply chain, it expands all across the 
country, internationally too, but I think what we need to do is 
really harness the integration and leverage the resources both 
state and locally into a more regional model so we can help 
support things like the semiconductor industry.
    Senator Young. Thank you. I find that characterization of 
the tech hubs helpful, and I will probably borrow that, usually 
without attribution as we are apt to do around here, right, and 
use that as I talk to constituents and colleagues. I hope I 
pronounce your name correctly, Dr. Shivakumar.
    In your testimony, sir, you discussed the concept of 
innovation as a national security asset. You go on to mention 
that this asset has to be rejuvenated as new global realities 
and opportunities arise. Can you elaborate on this nexus 
between national security and innovation in manufacturing, sir?
    Dr. Shivakumar. Certainly, Senator. The United States has 
an innovation system which is made up of complex networks 
related to manufacturers, related to research organizations, 
related to educational organizations, and all of these work 
together to support a broader innovation system.
    That system has been the basis of our strong lead in 
technological leadership. And that technological leadership in 
turn, has been the basis of our military leadership and 
national security advantages over the past, you know, since the 
World War II and perhaps earlier. The point that I tried to 
make in my opening remarks was that the system has to adapt to 
new realities.
    That system was predicated on a world where the United 
States was already in our leadership position in terms of 
research and science. That world has changed. We have a number 
of near-peer competitors, including countries that are--that 
have deliberate policies or deliberate strategies to work off 
of the investments that we make in research and development, 
and focus much more on the second half of the equation, which 
is manufacturing and commercialization of products.
    So we can no longer continue to prosper in a world where we 
do the front end, the research and the development, and the 
fruits of that effort are then capitalized in other countries.
    We need to build our small and medium sized manufacturers, 
and we need to connect them to large manufacturers, and we need 
to connect them to the education system, we need to connect 
them to the research system so that collectively that we have a 
strong innovation system that continues, that adapts us to the 
21st century, and allows us to compete effectively, and allows 
us to maintain our national security advantages.
    Senator Young. Well, thank you. Chairman, if I could just 
continue with your leave, I would like to maybe tease out a few 
things. So if we think about this nexus, national security, 
innovation, manufacturing.
    If we are investing in each of those areas, sometimes there 
is of course, important overlap. But if we are investing in 
that nexus as it were, or opportunities for job creation for my 
constituents and people across the country, that is really 
appealing, innovation will occur not just in kind of hard 
science, but also as you manufacture.
    It is sort of iterative innovation, as I understand it, 
manufacturing innovation oftentimes, and it doesn't occur in 
labs, it occurs on the factory floor. And then there is a third 
piece that you hit on in your testimony, and that is leadership 
and global standards.
    And you call on Congress, in fact, to secure the patent 
system. How does manufacturing something lead to leadership 
globally, as it relates to standards? And why is U.S. standards 
leadership so important as we look to the future?
    Dr. Shivakumar. Well, standards, I think the way I 
understand is, you know, it is basically a technical language. 
If we are speaking in the language of English, we understand 
each other's vocabulary.
    We have we share a grammar. We have idiomatic, you know, 
structures in our language and that helps us to communicate 
rapidly, easily. And the country that has, that establishes 
that the language of technology is the language that leads in 
technology.
    So it is very important that we maintain that leadership 
because it helps us dominate the conversation. The Chinese 
understand this. They have a new, you know, China 2035 standard 
strategy.
    They are working very hard to take over that conversation. 
We have for a long time dominated the conversation because of 
our natural strengths in research and development. But we have 
sort of taken that leadership for granted, I think, for the 
past few decades. That leadership is under challenge.
    One of the areas where the Chinese are moving with some 
deliberation is in the international standards setting 
organizations. That requires not only NIST in terms of setting, 
helping small business, you know, small and large businesses 
develop standards cooperatively.
    But it also involves, you know, our diplomatic services, 
our other parts of our Government to engage with these 
international organizations, make sure that we send people 
there that will pay attention to what is going on.
    We understand, you know, their processes to make sure that 
standards, particularly in fast evolving technologies like 
information technologies, communication technologies, are the 
ones that we are conversant with and that we are setting the 
conversation on.
    Senator Young. Thank you. And as we develop these out, of 
course, stitches our different partner countries together to 
the mutual benefit of all of us. Thank you so much, doctor.
    Dr. Shivakumar. Very well.
    Senator Young. Chairman.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Senator Young.
    Senator Blackburn.

              STATEMENT OF HON. MARSHA BLACKBURN, 
                  U.S. SENATOR FROM TENNESSEE

    Senator Blackburn. [Technical problems]--Hines, I want to 
thank you for the support that you lent to us as we were 
working on the MEP Supply Chain Data base Act and getting that 
signed into law. And as you know, this gives us, give the 
National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST, the 
ability to establish a database that will give a national 
overview of the networks of U.S. supply chains.
    And I would love for the record for you to give me just a 
quick comment on how you think this is going to be helpful, and 
what should the Department of Commerce keep in mind as they are 
implementing this?
    Ms. Hines. Thank you, Senator, for the question. And I am 
glad to see you. And I would like to thank you, too, for your 
leadership on that bill. I think it is critically important 
that the Department of Commerce invest in a manufacturing data 
base. It is a tool essentially for the supply chain.
    MEP is really the key program to be in position to operate 
that supply chain intelligence network, because we are really 
at the ground floor with small manufacturers all across the 
country. So we know their capabilities, their certifications, 
we know what they can do, what they can produce, and what they 
can support.
    And there is some great examples, too. I will just give you 
a couple of, you know, we are sampling in this area. We have 
data all across the country of manufacturers everywhere. And 
there is a couple great examples that I can share with you.
    One of which that I mentioned in our written testimony is 
that in the recent Ukraine conflict, that essentially we had a 
manufacturer in Florida that was--had some supplies being 
supplied from Ukraine.
    Obviously, when that conflict broke out, they had to find 
new suppliers and quickly. And what they did is they looked 
into a local database that is right now in existence in Florida 
and found other suppliers, and I think actually found some 
suppliers in Indiana, for those parts. So it is really, really 
important.
    They also use that intelligence network, again, to find 
those ventilators supplies to respond to Hurricane Ian. And so 
it is really critically important, the database as a tool, that 
is really an intelligence network the MEP program can provide 
because of our access to small manufacturers across the 
country.
    Senator Blackburn. Well and thank you for that. And right 
along with that on the supply chains is workforce. And Senator 
Rosen and I have done the Advanced Manufacturing Jobs in 
America Act that would put some pilot programs in place.
    We have got 153,000 Tennesseans that work in advanced 
manufacturing, and we have had recently 36,000 advanced 
manufacturing-related graduates since 2016. So we are picking 
up the pace there.
    But talk a little bit about what we need to see in 
collaboration with higher-ed, with industry, with the MEPs so 
that we can incentivize this advanced manufacturing workforce? 
And Ms. Hines, I am throwing that one to you.
    Ms. Hines. Thank you Senator. There is many things we can 
do. One thing that we are doing across the country in a kind of 
smaller scale at this point is MEP centers are working with 
their local community colleges to develop curriculums where we 
can actually put a workforce in place, where we can look for 
what the needs are of the manufacturing industry.
    They can actually get accredited courses and be skilled in 
what the manufacturing industry needs. So that is obviously 
one. The other big issue that we have is recruitment, and the 
MEP program across the country is really working with K-
through-12 students in a lot of different really kind of 
interesting programs across the country.
    Again, they are kind of smaller, individual within the 
state. So the MEP--the CHIPS and Science Act would allow us to 
expand those programs to scale. So there is a multitude of 
things that we can do, from recruitment, to upskilling, to 
working with our local community colleges, and really trying to 
skill the workforce that our manufacturers need.
    Senator Blackburn. Thanks. Mr. Vasko, let me come to you. 
Good to see you today. And let's talk about Manufacturing USA 
for a moment.
    As we have worked with small business manufacturers in 
Tennessee, I was interested to note that 50 percent of most of 
the new business formations fail within a 5-year period of 
time.
    Some of this is lack of resources, lack of funding. But I 
would like to hear from you. How is Manufacturing USA using 
their resources and their experience to help these startups and 
these small businesses that are trying to grow?
    If we are going to bring manufacturing back from China, 
back from India, then it is going to be important that these 
new start companies be able to support themselves and last 
longer than 5 years.
    Mr. Vasko. Thank you for the question, Senator Blackburn. 
That is an excellent question. And you look at what the 
Manufacturing USA institutes do, they de-risk technologies. 
They take things, from technology--levels which are actually 
very, very risky, and they work, and they work, and they try to 
operationalize that so people can adopt those technologies.
    And that is important for people adopting those and trying 
to build businesses around those technologies to have those 
technologies de-risked. That is what Kelvin does in his 
institute. What happens in all 16 of the institutes.
    And that is so incredibly important to be able to take that 
technology, get it ready, do demonstrations, how it can be 
used, have the support there, and then using the--leveraging 
the MEPs and the tech hubs, push that out to a wider audience, 
and that really forms that safety net, helping those vendors to 
be successful--those manufacturers to be successful.
    Senator Blackburn. Thank you for that. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Senator Sullivan. Thank you, Senator Blackburn. Let me 
conclude with just a few more questions. Dr. Lee, your opening 
testimony on the trade deficit that kind of spiked despite the 
fact that we were the, really originators of 
biopharmaceuticals, was--those are shocking numbers. And I am 
just curious if there is a lesson there.
    Well, first, why did that happen? And then, is there a 
broader lesson there that we can learn from and try to rectify 
what seems to be a real challenge, where we started out as the 
innovator and now we are the big importer.
    Dr. Lee. Yes. Thank you for that question. It is really 
shocking when you hear those numbers and you look at the 
trajectory, and it is not--if you were to look at the data, it 
is a trend, it is not a spike even.
    So, I think there are some lessons learned. I think when 
you look at where those factories are being built, where the 
companies are going to actually do their manufacturing, they 
are placing those factories in countries that have a workforce. 
I have been visited by many people from different countries and 
they talk about what their strategies are and kind of compare 
notes.
    And in one example, I won't go into any details except to 
say their strategy is that when they are talking to a company 
and they are trying to convince them to build that factory, 
they will tell the company, we will find you x number of 
workers that meet your needs in terms of their skills.
    And if you don't like some of them, we will find more to 
replace them. So I think the whole conversation that all of us 
have touched on, on the importance of workforce and ensuring we 
have a workforce with skills, is a very important problem that 
we have to solve. And it is not a simple problem to solve 
because it is not just this organization or that part of the 
Government can solve it.
    I think it is a whole of Government strategy to reset what 
we are doing and create that workforce that is going to want to 
incentivize organizations to be here. I think there is another 
piece of this which is, I think there is an interest for 
companies to try to build their next factories closer to their 
R&D sites.
    Yes, but in order to do that, they want to see that the 
return on investment is going to be there. They want to see a 
supportive and nurturing environment. And they want to have 
access to not only the best workers, but they want to have 
access to the best technologies. And that is where our 
opportunity lies.
    Other countries, and we have talked about a lot of them 
here, are investing in that middle stage of technology 
readiness and maturing them. And that is the piece that has 
been missing here for a long time, until programs like the 
Manufacturing USA program were created, and they were expressly 
created to begin to move the needle in that space. And I 
personally don't think we invest enough.
    I think there is a lot of untapped potential, but I think 
we are seeing the value that these programs are creating. So I 
am looking forward, I am excited about what the future can 
bring as long as we can have the right kinds of strategies to 
meet the needs.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. Let me ask two final questions. One 
is really a follow up to what you just mentioned, and I will 
pose them to all the witnesses today. But let's go back to the 
issue of workforce and the challenges we have heard from 
Senator Blumenthal, and the Afghan refugee issue is an idea.
    Some of what you just mentioned, Dr. Lee. Mr. Vasko, in 
your testimony, you touched on a topic that is very near and 
dear to my heart, and that is this pathway that you look for as 
it relates to bringing American military veterans into 
manufacturing and good training. I think it is a very good 
match.
    I serve on the Veterans Affairs committee. I serve on the 
Armed Services committee. I have been trying to look at ways in 
which we can really streamline the ability of our young men and 
women who are getting out of the military to go into 
manufacturing, to get the training, to get into apprentice 
programs or good union programs. What has been your experience 
in that regard?
    You know, these young men and women are disciplined. They 
know how to get up early. They know how to show up for work. 
They know what it is like to work 12 and 15 and 20 hour days 
when you are deployed. So what are some of the other ideas that 
we have here from you but others on the workforce challenge?
    Mr. Vasko. Yes, Senator Sullivan, we--I totally agree. And 
I have to say that it is a shame that many of our military 
veterans are underemployed when they leave. They may have 
really high tech careers in the military. They have skills, 
leadership skills, responsibilities which are unimaginable. 
So----
    Senator Sullivan. I will tell you--I am a Colonel in the 
Marines. I had a, many years ago, a young Marine Sergeant 
getting out, right. And he--you know, I would check out with 
all my guys and women.
    And he said, well, sir, you know, I really don't have much 
of a background and training, and this guy was a combat vet. 
Led combat missions in Afghanistan, awards for valor. I said, 
you have a better education than a Harvard MBA. You do. It is a 
fact. You have more experience, more leadership.
    Some of them don't know it, though, either right. And that 
it is kind of--we need to work more on it.
    Mr. Vasko. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I think there are 
things we could do to bridge that gap. And part of it is just 
perception. You may see a skill used in the military and not 
see how it could really have relevance in the commercial 
environments. We actually have a program that bridges that gap, 
a 12 week program where hands on, they use manufacturing 
equipment. 30 percent----
    Senator Sullivan. Is that while they are still on active 
duty and then they are allowed to do that or once they get out?
    Mr. Vasko. No. After they retire, yes. And we--it is called 
the Academy for Advanced Manufacturing. And we are able to 
transition people very quickly from that. And 95 percent of 
them get a job walking out of that.
    Senator Sullivan. That is great.
    Mr. Vasko. The participation there is actually even paid. 
The people that are hiring them pay for the all the schooling 
and they get a stipend.
    Senator Sullivan. I bet the employers who hire them love 
them.
    Mr. Vasko. They love them. You wouldn't believe how many 
people come back and hire more and more and more. And it is, 
but you are right. Those are----
    Senator Sullivan. If you could submit for the record some 
of the information on that program.
    Mr. Vasko. I will do that.
    Senator Sullivan. Good.
    Mr. Vasko. We have a great deal. I will submit that for 
you.
    Senator Sullivan. Perfect. Anyone else on just innovative 
ideas to address this big challenge we have on manufacturing? 
Dr. Shivakumar.
    Dr. Shivakumar. Yes. I think, Senator, you hit the nail on 
the head in terms of identifying that veterans have many of the 
soft skills that employers are really looking for. There are a 
number of initiatives that are underway or could be supported.
    One is, you know, create a curriculum for veterans even 
when they are--or for our servicemen and women, even while they 
are in service so that they are prepared for a transition into 
civilian life.
    We need to provide better transition support from the 
military to civilian life. Part of that is also to create a 
system where the experiences that they have had while in 
service are transferred into something that the civilian 
marketplace understands and values.
    Senator Sullivan. Right. Yes. It is not always as easy as 
it sounds.
    Dr. Shivakumar. That is true. And the final point I would 
add is to provide support for military spouses. In many cases, 
you know, if you are a spouse of a service man or woman, and 
your wife say is, or your husband, is a hairdresser in one 
state, that--the license to cut hair or style hair in another 
state doesn't transfer across state lines.
    And so that is a huge disincentive, and it is something 
that, you know, our service families really struggle with. 
Creating--and I understand that, you know, this is sort of a 
local jurisdiction, but at least for military families, if 
there was some sort of Federal provision where these 
credentials could be carried across States, it would be really 
helpful for our service families.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. Any other thoughts? Yes, Dr. Lee.
    Dr. Lee. I think you raise a really important point. And so 
my response is kind of there are two elements. One is I think 
there are many very good pilot or existing programs that we 
need to ensure that we can scale as successes.
    And so one of my sister institutes, Lift, they run a 
program called Operation Next. And it takes service members who 
are in the last 6 months of their duty and gives them the 
skills to work in a manufacturing environment, so that when 
they are done with their service, they then have the skills----
    Senator Sullivan. Could you submit the information for the 
record----
    Dr. Lee. Yes, I will follow up in writing with some 
information about that.
    I think the other piece, though, is while we have to have 
those regional, those local, those skill specific kinds of 
opportunities and try to scale them, I do want to go back to my 
earlier comment and say, I think we still have a perception 
problem, that manufacturing can be a career. It is not just a 
job and a set of skills, it can be a career.
    And I think if we can think about a national strategy to 
reset that mindset, we might see a greater interest by the 
workforce.
    Senator Sullivan. Great. Ms. Hines, do you have a comment?
    Ms. Hines. Yes. I want to take kind of a little turn on 
some things that we have seen with veterans, especially 
returning from overseas, is they are actually very innovative 
in their experiences.
    They come back and they say, I needed this or I want to do 
this. So we have actually worked with a lot of manufacturers 
across the country who have an idea and bringing that idea to 
market. And it is based on their experience.
    So and it is really the nuance of what we do because they 
are really a small, small kind of company, but it makes a huge 
impact. So it is definitely a little nuanced on the training.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes. Good. Let me ask one final question, 
and I again, I will throw it out to everybody, and it is, you 
know, I think that we have all awoken to this idea of being too 
over reliant, particularly on Communist China and the risks 
that that entails, right.
    Xi Jinping could wake up tomorrow and say, hey, I don't 
like this sector, and, you know, there would be a problem if 
you are getting your supplies from there. So this idea of 
strategically decoupling the U.S. and our allies' supply chains 
from overreliance on China, but of course, we are not going to 
be able to manufacture everything in the United States.
    So how do you go about thinking about the balance of supply 
chains? There is this big push to, you know, onshore or do it 
with our allies, which I fully support, and I think you are 
seeing here is a very bipartisan.
    But what are the lessons there from your own personal 
experiences, and how do we do that balance to make sure that it 
is a strategy that could work? And there is a lot of nuances 
here. It is one thing to say, all right, we have got to 
strategically decouple from China. I agree with that. But in 
practice, what are the key elements of the factors we need to 
consider, particularly as it relates to legislation but what 
you have also seen in your own experience?
    And Dr. Shivakumar, why don't we begin with you, sir, 
because I know you have been thinking a lot about this topic. 
And then if anyone else has views on this, I would welcome it.
    Dr. Shivakumar. No, we do have a strategic vulnerability in 
terms of the fact that we are heavily dependent on a variety of 
products that are manufactured in China.
    There is this topic about decoupling, but if we actually 
look at, you know, go back two or 3 years in terms of the 
manufacturing, almost everything that we can think of that we 
wear, see, drive, talk about has some element that has been--
that involves China in the network of activities that have 
produced a product or service.
    I think decoupling is going to be extremely slow and 
painful. If we try to do--if we think of decoupling as pulling, 
you know, the plug out of here and putting it into that, I 
think what we need to do is actually accelerate our own growth 
in terms of the discussion we were having here, in terms of 
growing our own innovation ecosystem, in terms of building our 
own networks, our own strengths.
    And I think, you know, there is a growing awareness among 
established firms worldwide of the real dangers of operating in 
China. Most companies have either an alternative plan or exit 
plan from China.
    We have a golden moment in the sense to really invest in 
our own innovation capacities, our own manufacturing 
capacities, so that we are growing those new neurons, if you 
will to use that analogy, of--well, the links to the other 
system, the existing system, slowly, you know, wither away. But 
we need to do that now.
    And this is, I think a lot of the legislation that has been 
passed is very much in that direction. What my concern is that 
the Congress maintains its commitment to growing our innovation 
ecosystem over a sustained period of time.
    You know, you can't have MEP funded at this level 1 year 
then this level next year, or even our Manufacturing USA 
network. We have a very small, relatively small initiative 
there. The Chinese have looked at our program. They have--they 
like it and they have scaled it up enormously.
    Our system is sort of inspired by the German model, and the 
German model is many times what our system is. So we have--you 
know, we need to think about our innovation system much in this 
way in which we talk about national security in terms of ships 
and aircraft carriers and planes. We are still thinking very 
small.
    Senator Sullivan. Yes.
    Dr. Shivakumar. We need to think much larger. And we 
didn't--we haven't prevailed over the past so many decades 
since the World War II by thinking small about our national 
defense. But what we continue to think small about how much we 
fund MEP, and Manufacturing USA, and a whole series of other 
efforts to build our innovation workforce and so on and so 
forth.
    So I think we need to--our metaphor we have in mind, we 
need to be much more, thinking in terms of a, you know, a 
rebirth, a major investment in ourselves. And I think that is 
the way to go forward.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. Anyone else? Thoughts? Ms. Hines.
    Ms. Hines. I think one aspect that you talked about, too, 
about decoupling, which is really important, is risk 
mitigation. You have to really look at the supply chains. We 
are not going to necessarily be able to decouple in all cases.
    What we can do is really mitigate the risk and say we have 
a supplier that is overseas here. Let's identify another one as 
a backup or one that can retool and make something, should that 
one where crisis come into play.
    So I think that is a really important point of what we need 
to do, especially for small manufacturers that really have no 
idea. You know, they get their source, one supply from one 
source. They aren't looking at the big supply chain and the 
risks associated with that.
    Senator Sullivan. Right. Dr. Lee.
    Dr. Lee. Yes. I just want to reflect for a minute that, you 
know, as you go deeper into the tiers of supply chains, not 
only do they get very complicated, but the supply chains for 
the products that we buy in the stores end up being 
intermingled in part of the same supply chain that also feeds 
our military and our national defense.
    So I think it is critical to think about how we can ensure 
that we have that capability more local. But I also want to 
amplify the comments about ensuring that we are what I would 
call a wellspring of innovation.
    You know, I often have conversations about how are you 
going to prevent this technology from going overseas. And at 
the end of the day, I don't know that you can over time. As 
things mature, they move on.
    What we can do as a country is ensure that we are always 
going to be that heart of innovation, that wellspring of 
innovation, and that is going to attract the kinds of 
organizations, companies, and supply chain that we need for our 
own future.
    Senator Sullivan. Right. Good. Mr. Zakreski.
    Mr. Zakreski. So I will give you a bit of the kind of the 
hard realities of some of this is that there are some parts 
that some people here in the U.S. just don't want to make. And 
it is hard to find people here to make them.
    Senator Sullivan. Right.
    Mr. Zakreski. We buy parts from overseas. We have to 
because we have not been able to find people who want to make 
the investment to deliver the kind of quality and expectations 
that we have for the parts. So we have to go and have had to go 
overseas for those parts. That is a big challenge is to create 
an awareness that there are potential suppliers out there who 
maybe can help.
    I mean, and that is where maybe the database that we had 
talked about through the MEP can come into play and help out 
for--help somebody like us to say, oh, wait a minute, there is 
somebody down in, you know, the Northern part of North Dakota 
or some part in Anchorage that can help us out. And we need to 
have that data, because if you don't find it, it is really hard 
to find that resource.
    And it is--the other part of it is, it is really hard if 
you have parts over there to move them back, especially in the 
automotive industry. You have to go through tons of validation 
and extra work, and it can take a year to resource a part and 
an awful lot of your technical resources away from developing 
opportunities for new business to re-source a part from 
overseas back to here, so that when you get your car that 
annoying little check engine light doesn't come on.
    And so, it is a challenge.
    Senator Sullivan. Good. Mr. Vasko, do you want to close on 
that topic?
    Mr. Vasko. Sure. The one thing I would add is we need to 
consider flexibility as well. So we have done a lot to optimize 
our manufacturing operations, but many times to the detriment 
of flexibility.
    And we found that flexibility really provides a lot of 
opportunities. You may still be able to produce many other 
products with the equipment, with the parts you have, and 
really developing that into our manufacturing.
    As we customize more, that sort of flexibility is going to 
be required for American manufacturers to be successful. So 
that is the one element I would add and make sure we consider 
that as well.
    Senator Sullivan. Great. Well, listen, thank you very much 
for the discussion, and it was great. And I think you are 
seeing a lot of good ideas on both sides of the aisle here.
    I want to just mention the additional questions you might 
be getting from the Committee. Senators have until December 20 
to submit additional questions. The hearing record for this 
hearing will remain open until the 27th of December.
    And I ask the witnesses to respectfully to try to respond 
to those questions by the 27th. I am sure as you are having 
Christmas with your family, you are going to be really focused 
on these questions. I am just kidding.
    But I want to thank you again. Great discussion, and I am 
looking forward to getting some of the things that I have 
requested for in terms of the hearing. This concludes our 
hearing. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 3:35 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]

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