[Senate Hearing 117-868]
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                    EXAMINING THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
                   AGRICULTURE'S RURAL HOUSING SERVICE

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                                HEARING

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                            SUBCOMMITTEE ON
           HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

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                              COMMITTEE ON
                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                    ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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  EXAMINING THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE'S RURAL HOUSING SERVICE

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                              MAY 25, 2022

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            COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                     SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chairman

JACK REED, Rhode Island              PATRICK J. TOOMEY, Pennsylvania
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama
JON TESTER, Montana                  MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia             TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts      MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
TINA SMITH, Minnesota                BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona              CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming
JON OSSOFF, Georgia                  JERRY MORAN, Kansas
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia             KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
                                     STEVE DAINES, Montana

                     Laura Swanson, Staff Director

                 Brad Grantz, Republican Staff Director

                      Cameron Ricker, Chief Clerk

                      Shelvin Simmons, IT Director

                        Pat Lally, Hearing Clerk

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   Subcommittee on Housing, Transportation, and Community Development

                      TINA SMITH, Minnesota, Chair

          MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota, Ranking Republican Member

JACK REED, Rhode Island              RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey          MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
JON TESTER, Montana                  BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada       CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland           JERRY MORAN, Kansas
JON OSSOFF, Georgia                  KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia             STEVE DAINES, Montana

                Tim Everett, Subcommittee Staff Director

         Kathleen Gayle, Republican Subcommittee Staff Director

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Opening statement of Chair Smith.................................     2

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
Chairman Brown...................................................     1
Senator Rounds...................................................     4

                                WITNESS

Xochitl Torres Small, Under Secretary for Rural Development, 
  Department of Agriculture......................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................    16
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................    20
        Senator Moran............................................    22

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Statement submitted by Jim King, CEO and President, Fahe.........    25

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                    EXAMINING THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
                   AGRICULTURE'S RURAL HOUSING SERVICE

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                        WEDNESDAY, MAY 25, 2022

                               U.S. Senate,
  Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
    Subcommittee on Housing, Transportation, and Community 
                                               Development,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met at 2:30 p.m., via Webex and in room 
SD-538, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Tina Smith, Chair 
of the Subcommittee, presiding.

    Chair Smith. Good afternoon. The Subcommittee of Housing, 
Transportation, and Community Development will come to order. 
It is wonderful to have the Under Secretary here with us today. 
We also have the Chair of the Banking and Housing Committee 
joining us. We are in the midst of votes right now so we will 
have to be flexible as we come and go, but I want to thank you 
very much for being here, Ms. Torres Small.
    And I will turn to Chair Brown for some remarks before he 
goes to vote.

          OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN SHERROD BROWN

    Chairman Brown. Some brief remarks. Thank you, Senator 
Smith. And Senator Rounds, thank you for standing up for 
Director Thompson today on the floor. And I did not know until 
today that Senator Smith was left-handed as I am, but I hit the 
gavel with the right hand so maybe I will upgrade.
    And thank you for the relationship the two of you have, and 
you have had one of the most cooperative relationships as Chair 
and Ranking Member that I have seen in this body, so thank you 
for that.
    Under Secretary Torres Small, nice to see you again. Thank 
you for your public service.
    This Committee has held a number of hearings about housing 
challenges. What we have heard is the shortage of good-quality, 
affordable homes is not just a big-city problem. Too many 
families in rural America also face the same housing crunch. 
The programs in the Rural Housing Service (RHS) provide 
important affordable rental housing to lower-income families 
and agricultural workers in rural communities. They also help 
rural families and seniors access affordable credit to become 
homeowners, and grants and loans to make critical repairs that 
help people stay safely in their homes. These programs create 
stable housing for families. They help
seniors who want to stay there, age in place. They help rural 
communities thrive by providing the housing they need to 
attract and retain businesses.
    As valuable as this housing is, we know it is under threat. 
RHS multifamily rental properties face over $5 billion in 
capital needs. Many homeowners obviously need help in 
maintaining their own homes. It is clear we need to invest more 
in these critical programs for homeowners and for renters, I 
would add in rural areas.
    I have to attend another meeting but I thank Senator Smith 
again, Chair Smith, and Senator Rounds. I look forward to 
working with both of you and with you, the Under Secretary. 
Thanks again.
    Chair Smith. Thank you, Chair Brown.
    Senator Rounds and I will now make opening statements and 
then we will have testimony from Under Secretary Torres Small, 
and we will get going.

             OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIR TINA SMITH

    Chair Smith. Good afternoon. I want to start by just 
acknowledging something really important, which is that small 
towns and rural places are creative, entrepreneurial, diverse, 
and wonderful places to live and to work and to raise a family. 
They produce our food and our energy. They are hubs of 
manufacturing and small business and education, and also health 
care and arts and culture.
    And when I travel to rural communities in Minnesota I find 
hard-working, passionate people who love their communities and 
want to make them even better. And yet we know that housing 
remains an impediment for many rural towns and communities that 
are working to attracts new businesses and new residents and 
new talent. Because the reality is if you do not have a safe, 
affordable place to live, nothing else in your life, or your 
community, works--not your job, not your education, not your 
health.
    Housing challenges can be about families trying to find a 
place to live for disabled individuals or seniors who are 
living in overcrowded conditions or even without a home at all. 
In other cases, it could be workers who want to take a job at a 
grain elevator or a meat processor or a manufacturing facility 
but the closest home they can afford is 40 miles away. One 
hiring manager in Minnesota told me about how they spend almost 
half their time helping new employees find housing instead of 
focusing on the hiring job itself.
    In Minnesota, in Pipestone County and Rock County--both sit 
on the border with South Dakota--the income limit for a family 
of four to get a Section 504 rural housing service loan is 
about $37,000 a year. So this is not about helping wealthy 
families. This is about helping working families acquire or 
even repair just good places to live.
    And it is really needed. Consider that over the past 20 
years the average price of a home has increased by 23 percent 
in Pipestone County and 41 percent in Rock County, and incomes, 
needless to say, have not increased at nearly the same pace. So 
these are the challenges that I hope that we can take on in 
this Subcommittee and make progress on addressing, and that is 
why we are holding this hearing today.
    Since 1949, the Rural Housing Service has been a key player
in developing housing in rural America. The U.S. Department of
Agriculture is a trusted and well-known agency in small towns 
and rural places across the country, and because of that they 
have a unique ability to serve our Nation's rural communities.
    So today I am hopeful that this hearing will be an 
opportunity for us to examine the Rural Housing Service's 
programs, figure out what we can do to support that work. In 
addition, I would like to see what we can do to best position 
the Rural Housing Service to address the current housing 
challenges that small towns and rural places face in Minnesota 
and South Dakota and all across the country.
    There are a few issues, in particular, that I am hoping we 
can focus on. First, we should consider how to address the 
Rural Housing Service's portfolio of about 533,000 affordable 
housing units that are financed with mortgages through the 
agency's Section 515 program. This program was established in 
1963, and provided the financing for these critical housing 
units all around the country. But the program ceased making new 
mortgages years ago, and as those mortgages are paid off the 
properties' rental restrictions also expire, leaving tenants 
who have an average income of about $17,000 a year, leaving 
them at risk of having their rents raised to unaffordable 
levels.
    Minnesota was an early adopter of this program, and we now 
have one of the largest concentrations of these properties in 
the Nation. In 2019, I worked with Senator Shaheen to introduce 
legislation to provide a modernized solution to support the 
tenants of these properties. And so I hope that we can work to 
enact legislation that would address this challenge.
    Notably, this is not just an issue of economics. It is also 
an issue of equity. In Minnesota, about 11 percent of 
residences in Section 515 properties are Black, five times the 
Black population in rural Minnesota overall. Latino and Native 
individuals are also overrepresented among residents of these 
properties.
    Second, I am hoping to see what updates we need to bring to 
the Rural Housing Service's lending programs so that they are 
in line with modern lending practices. I understand that there 
are several areas where administrative reforms could help 
streamline housing development with a goal of getting more 
housing units available in communities where they are needed.
    And third, I am looking forward to hearing from Under 
Secretary Torres Small about her agency's pilot program to make 
home mortgages available through Native Community Development 
Financial Institutions. Earlier this year this Subcommittee 
heard testimony from Lakota Vogel of the Four Banks Community 
Fund in Eagle Butte, South Dakota, and she shared with us her 
experience with the Rural Housing Service pilot program that 
allowed her to significantly expand mortgage lending on tribal 
lands, where residents previously had a difficult time 
obtaining mortgages.
    Senator Rounds and I have been working to make this pilot 
program permanent, and I am hopeful that our bill on this topic 
will be able to move soon.
    It has been more than 10 years since this Committee has had 
a U.S. Department of Agriculture witness before us, and with 
the farm bill coming up next year I know that now is a good 
time for us to be taking a look at the Rural Housing Service. I 
also really want to thank Senator Rounds for working so 
collaboratively with me on this hearing. I know that we are 
both very interested in finding ways that we can strengthen the 
Rural Housing Service and address the important housing 
challenges the people face in small towns and rural places.
    Senator Rounds, you are recognized.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR MIKE ROUNDS

    Senator Rounds. Thank you, Madam Chair, and I appreciate 
you working with my office to find an appropriate time that we 
could actually put together the Committee hearing today. And 
thank you, Madam Secretary Torres Small for being willing to 
testify today on ways to update the Rural Housing Service.
    According to the Economic Research Service, 46 million U.S. 
residents were living in rural areas in 2020, and made up 14 
percent of the U.S. population. Rural communities face unique 
challenges when trying to develop affordable housing. It does 
not generally occur on a large scale in rural areas, and 
construction costs are often higher which reduces the 
incentives for private investment.
    Additionally, housing characteristics of rural communities 
differ. Homeownership rates are higher. Single-family homes 
make up a larger share of the housing stock. A higher 
percentage of rental housing is single family and prices are 
lower.
    A dwindling housing supply in rural areas in South Dakota 
and across a lot of what I would suspect would be western 
Minnesota, and across a broad section of the rural part of the 
country, are having a direct negative effect on communities. 
Schools have received record amounts of funding but they are 
unable to hire new teachers because these teachers have nowhere 
to live.
    We need to support increasing supply through the 
construction of new units and the utilization of manufactured 
housing. USDA should explore cutting red tape for developers to 
further promote construction, rehabilitation, and preservation.
    We also need to maintain current dwellings. By investing in 
the restoration of its current housing stock, rural communities 
can address preexisting housing repair needs. In South Dakota, 
RHS has played a large role in supporting affordable home 
ownership and rental housing for lower-income families.
    However, as we consider the Federal housing programs, the 
overlapping nature of RHS programs and the role they play in 
relation to other Federal housing programs always enters the 
conversation. Several RHS programs are structured similarly to 
corresponding HUD programs. These other Federal housing 
programs often serve a larger number of rural residents than 
the relatively smaller RHS programs, and since USDA has a focus 
and expertise on rural issues it has demonstrated it is 
effective at reaching rural populations. It is important, 
however, that these resources remain focused on rural 
communities and not bleed into metropolitan areas.
    However, even with these successes I believe we can 
streamline and modernize RHS to more effectively serve 
residents. Over the last several decades, the number of loans 
made through the Section 502 Guaranteed Loan Program has 
increased while the number of loans made to the Section 502 
Direct Loan Program has declined. The Direct Loan Program, the 
more expensive program that
exposes taxpayers to a greater risk, was failing to reach 
communities, more specifically, members of tribal communities, 
in a meaningful way.
    In order to better serve Native American communities, USDA 
launched a 502 Lending Pilot Program in 2018, where USDA 
partnered with Native Community Development Financial 
Institutions to help Native American families realize that 
dream of home ownership. Chairman Smith and I have a bill to 
expand this pilot program to the rest of the Nation, and we 
will continue working to get that legislation signed into law.
    USDA should be utilizing innovative strategies like this 
through public-private partnerships to make certain funds reach 
the communities that really need them across RHS. USDA should 
also look at ways to streamlining regulatory requirements for 
programs and increase flexibility for the smallest communities 
as cumbersome processes have deterred nonprofits from utilizing 
programs.
    I see a real opportunity to work together to make 
bipartisan, meaningful reforms to the Rural Housing Service, 
and I cannot think of a better partner than the Chairwoman. 
Again, thank you to the Chairwoman for holding this hearing, 
and I look forward to hearing your testimony, Under Secretary 
Torres Small.
    Chair Smith. Thank you very much, Senator Rounds.
    Our witness today is Under Secretary for Rural Development, 
Xochitl Torres Small. Under Secretary Torres Small was 
confirmed to her position in October by voice vote. As Under 
Secretary for Rural Development she leads the USDA's Rural 
Housing Service, which will be the focus of today's hearing.
    In addition, she also leads a number of other programs at 
Rural Development to improve the economy and quality of life in 
rural America. And I quote, ``From economic development to 
public safety to broadband expansion, her work at USDA Rural 
Development touches nearly every aspect of rural communities 
across the country.''
    Prior to her current role she represented New Mexico's 
Second Congressional District, one of the largest in the Nation 
geographically, and she is the granddaughter of migrant farm 
workers and practiced law prior to being elected to Congress.
    Welcome, Under Secretary Torres Small. Thank you for your 
willingness to speak with us today, and we look forward to your 
testimony.
    Before you begin your opening statements I just have a few 
reminders. This hearing will be in hybrid format, so Senators 
may appear either in person or via video. Under Secretary 
Torres Small, you will have 5 minutes for your opening 
statements, and your full written statement will also be made a 
part of the record.
    And with that I will turn it over to the Under Secretary.

 STATEMENT OF XOCHITL TORRES SMALL, UNDER SECRETARY FOR RURAL 
             DEVELOPMENT, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

    Ms. Torres Small. Thank you, Chairwoman Smith, Ranking 
Member Rounds, and Members of the Committee for this 
opportunity to discuss rural housing. Before I do, I do want to 
acknowledge the massacre in Uvalde. As we talk about homes 
today it is clear that 21 people, including 19 kids, did not 
get to come home last night, and Rural Development has an 
office in Uvalde and so Rural Development employees, as well as 
the entire Nation, are certainly mourning as we try to turn 
pain into action.
    When we talk about rural living it is often left unsaid 
that housing is a cornerstone for a good life. Having a stable, 
safe home is part of what makes kids want to stay in the places 
they grew up, and on the other end of life, having housing 
options gives older people the ability to continue living in 
their beloved hometowns, even as their mobility decreases with 
age. Having the right place to live enables families to live 
every chapter of their lives in the places they want to call 
home.
    The time of this hearing is especially poignant for me as I 
watch people in my home State of New Mexico lose their homes to 
wildfire. I know all of you have shared the experience of 
seeing people you serve suffer while Federal recovery 
assistance can take too long to deliver. It reminds me 
painfully of something Ranking Member Rounds, you brought up, 
the importance of flexibility and modernization when it comes 
to housing programs.
    So I would like to start today's conversation by saying 
something I know we can all agree on. Housing is a cornerstone 
of rural development and rural prosperity, just as it is with 
urban development and prosperity. And I think we can recognize 
together that sometimes rural housing can be overlooked or left 
out when housing is addressed generally in the Federal 
Government. But with this opportunity to have this discussion 
10 years in the making, I just want to thank you both for your 
commitment to making sure that does not happen on our watch.
    I want to recognize that that can be a tall order, because 
sometimes the place where people want to live simply does not 
have livable homes. Still, there are some hurdles we must clear 
more quickly. I recently met a woman in Mississippi who wanted 
to return to her hometown to be close to her family, but her 
options were shockingly limited. She ended up buying a house 
that did not have plumbing and it had a hole in the wall that 
was letting in the air.
    So she decided the sacrifice was worth it so she could be 
near her family, and knowing she could not tackle both projects 
at once she decided to address the hole in the wall first, and 
the plumbing was going to have to wait. And she did, because 
when she sought Federal assistance it took years to access the 
support that she was qualified to receive. In spite of that 
enormous frustration, she maintained hope and a belief that she 
had made the right decision to be near her family.
    Her love of home was a beautiful thing to see, but her 
experience also reinforced a huge frustration of mine with how 
the Federal Government's antiquated systems can slow down 
critical support for people in need. When an individual, an 
organization, or a community quality for Federal assistance 
they should not have to wait for years to get it.
    The Rural Housing Service operates on a 30-year-old system, 
where applicants must fill out paper forms, and then a loan 
officer has to use their time to enter that information into 
the system, sometimes multiple times. I spoke to a loan officer 
recently in Washington who said she is haunted by the thoughts 
of the people in need waiting in line while she spends hours 
each day doing data entry and not able to get to them. This 
scenario is the result of decades of neglect.
    So we are now in a place where we need to both address our 
immediate challenges as we also look to engage in an overdue 
revisioning of how the Rural Housing Service can have a real 
role in thriving rural communities. My sincere hope is that 
today will support that work, where we find ways to both 
deliver resources to serve the poorest of the poor and we move 
toward making more intentional investments.
    For example, I hope for a future where the Rural Housing 
Service can better work with local development professionals to 
make sure there is enough housing to support economic 
development projects. After all, the opening of a manufacturing 
facility or other hub for jobs does not mean much where there 
are not enough places for workers to live.
    I will conclude today by saying we should not have to 
choose between making housing units that support new jobs and 
economic opportunity and making sure that the place where 
someone's grandma has the ability to grow old in her hometown, 
because both of these things are important when it comes to 
making a town a place that feels like home for people at every 
stage of life. Both are worth the investment.
    Thank you so much, and I look forward to the conversation.
    Chair Smith. Thank you very much, Under Secretary. We will 
now turn to a round of 5-minute questions, and I am going to 
call on Senator Ossoff, who I believe is joining us virtually, 
to ask the first round of questions.
    Senator Ossoff, are you there?
    Senator Ossoff. Yes, I am, Madam Chair, and thank you for 
kindly allowing me to ask my questions at the top of the 
hearing. Under Secretary Torres Small, welcome. It is a delight 
to see you. I wish that we could meet, and I hope we will soon, 
and thank you for joining today to discuss these important 
issues.
    I want to begin on the subject of language access and the 
housing market. It is a big issue in rural communities in my 
State. I hear about it pretty regularly, for example, from 
Latino constituents, Asian American constituents. Just to give 
you a sense, for example, in Stewart County, Georgia, over 15 
percent of the population face language barriers.
    And so what I want to ask you is first of all to comment on 
the steps that you intend to take and are taking to help 
Americans who face language barriers to navigate the housing 
market and the housing system, and then ask you to commit to 
working with my office and on a future visit to Georgia sitting 
down with leaders in the Latino community, the Asian American 
community, other communities facing language barriers, to 
discuss what steps we can take together to help ensure all 
Americans can access safe, affordable housing.
    Ms. Torres Small. Thank you, Senator Ossoff, for your 
question and for looking at a truly important issue, which is 
working with people. In all of Rural Development and the work 
that we do, rural housing is where we have the most interaction 
with the final recipient of the services that we get to 
provide, and it is so crucial that there is a real partnership 
there. And the most fundamental piece of that is language, is 
communication.
    I was recently in Arizona where this issue came up, 
because, of course, Spanish language and the accessibility 
there is crucial. So we do have the Civil Rights Office that 
helps to make sure that the documents are translated and that 
there is also translation services available, but also working 
to make sure that we have technical assistance from our Rural 
Development employees, so that they can be there.
    Because the written language is one thing, but when you 
look at a 504 repair loan, for example, and you are working 
with an elderly woman who may only speak Spanish, makes less 
than $15,000 a year, sometimes you also just need someone to 
sit down and have a conversation with her. And the ability to 
do that reinforces how crucial having staff on the ground, that 
are from those communities, to be able to provide that service.
    So I certainly appreciate your comment about the importance 
of language accessibility, and would love to visit Georgia to 
speak with stakeholders about that.
    Senator Ossoff. Thank you. I appreciate that commitment, 
Under Secretary, and it sounds like we see eye to eye on the 
importance of addressing this issue.
    I want to raise, for your attention, a particular concern 
for affordable housing in Cordele, Georgia. And just for your 
awareness, a community in Cordele was approved for funds to 
establish more affordable farm labor housing through the USDA 
514, 516 programs. That project was approved by USDA in 2018. 
It was delayed in construction by the pandemic and some 
processing changes at USDA. Since then, the estimated cost has 
increased significantly.
    I am going to follow up with you and get you the details. 
More broadly, what I would like is a commitment from you that 
on that future visit to Georgia you will engage with my office 
and local leaders to address the specific matter of affordable 
housing in Cordele, Georgia, and to have that broader 
conversation about improving access to affordable housing 
throughout rural Georgia.
    Ms. Torres Small. Senator Ossoff, I really appreciate you 
bringing up this issue. Although it is a specific one it is not 
unique. Across the country we have heard from our partners who 
are seeing increased construction costs and the supply chain. 
And so we are responding to that in a few ways. We are seeing 
it both in self-help and, to your example, in farm labor. And 
for farm labor there is a very specific route that we are 
trying to address it.
    So with some construction projects they were awarded--and I 
know I am about to run out of time--but they were awarded under 
a NOFA that had a cap, a limit on how much we could award. So 
the only way we could extend that is if we recompete. And so we 
are working very closely with the stakeholders you mentioned to 
identify the opportunity to recompete that, and we feel that 
they will be very strongly situated to be able to make the case 
for those additional cost overruns.
    We are also encouraging them to find other partners as well 
in that financing, but working very hard to partner with them 
because all of us are suffering the impacts of the supply 
chain.
    So for that specific issue I want to make sure that our 
teams are working together closely so that I am not weighing in 
on an application process, but certainly would love to further 
discuss the larger issue of housing in Georgia when I am able 
to visit.
    Senator Ossoff. That is great. I am looking forward to it, 
and in places like Dooly, McIntosh, and Warren counties we are 
seeing folks leaving those communities because housing is 
becoming unaffordable. So looking forward to working with you 
to address these concerns that my constituents raised with my 
office and with me every single day, and I appreciate your 
presence. I appreciate your leadership.
    I yield back.
    Chair Smith. Thank you, Senator Ossoff. Senator Rounds.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you, Madam Chair, and Madam Under 
Secretary, thanks for being here.
    As I have talked with rural stakeholders back home that 
help administer USDA programs a consistent complaint that has 
been--it has really been the burdensome administrative process 
and the lack of flexibility in these programs, to the point 
that many have just stopped using them.
    Could you discuss ways the USDA could increase flexibility 
for our smallest communities to promote uptake of USDA RHS 
programs?
    Ms. Torres Small. I deeply appreciate the question and your 
focus on how do we better serve rural America, because as we 
talk about modernizing Rural Development it is about making 
sure there is a Rural Development that America deserves. So 
when I mentioned that employee from Washington State, she was 
coming from the private sector, where they have the best tools 
and the most recent whistles to serve a clientele. So the idea 
of having someone have to hand fill out a paper application was 
unique to her.
    So the more we can find ways--for example, there, updating 
the UniFi system so that there is not that burdensome process 
both for the applicant as well as for the loan specialist. I 
think that is one of the key places where we can really advance 
our service there.
    But we also see it on the servicing side. So if you do get 
a loan with Rural Development right now there is not a way for 
you to go in and check your balance online in all 
circumstances. Instead you have to go through the Servicing 
Center and wait on the phone, and sometimes wait for a long 
time. So the Servicing Center is another place where we want to 
break down some of those barriers and provide better service.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you, and I want to get into it a 
little bit more in terms of the efficiencies that could be 
found, or at least the flexibility that could be found. But let 
me run with that. In its annual reports on opportunities to 
improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the Federal 
Government, GAO has repeatedly identified the need for better 
collaboration and coordination between housing and economic 
development programs at HUD, USDA, and the Commerce Department.
    How do you plan, or maybe it is not even on your radar 
screen yet, but how would you plan to literally coordinate 
between HUD, USDA, and the Department of Commerce to find a way 
to work more effectively with other Federal agencies, 
particularly HUD, to better meet the housing needs of America's 
rural communities? Ever had the opportunity to sit down and try 
to coordinate those or to look at the overlaps and so forth 
between the different programs?
    Ms. Torres Small. Coordination is such a crucial subject, 
and specifically around housing I think there are a lot of 
opportunities. I will just discuss two very briefly.
    Actually, our Assistant Administrator for Rural Housing, 
who works in multifamily housing, comes from HUD, so she has 
been incredibly helpful in identifying potential ways to 
leverage that relationship. One example is we have vouchers. If 
a multifamily housing unit exits the program and is no longer 
receiving the rental assistance that we are able to provide for 
those programs we have issued Rural Development vouchers. But 
that is creating a whole new program within Rural Development 
to administer that, and it can be really cumbersome, and it is 
actually just not a key thing we do all the time.
    So in the President's 2023 budget we have talked about for 
new vouchers actually working with HUD, for HUD to administer 
those vouchers, because they already have a program set up that 
is far more efficient, that is far more robust.
    The other example is actually in the decoupling, as an 
opportunity there. So as we look for how the rental units might 
access more funding to, as you mentioned, just the crucial part 
for renovation and rehabilitation of rental unit projects, if 
we are able to decouple rental assistance they can keep their 
rental assistance and apply for the tax incentives that can be 
achieved to further finance those preservation projects. And so 
it is another way we can continue to work better with the 
Treasury, or even State programs, for tax-based incentives for 
that preservation.
    Senator Rounds. OK. This kind of leads me into another 
question that we have got with regard to households that are in 
rural areas are often excluded from accessing Federal housing 
assistance, including USDA resources, because of how area 
median incomes and associated program eligibilities are 
calculated. If an individual already lives in a low-income 
community, oftentimes only the lowest of the low-income group 
can qualify. It seems kind of strange, low income to begin 
with, and then you have got to be in that lowest band to 
qualify.
    Now USDA has started to work to correct the disparities 
that these rules and calculations create using a policy known 
as income banding, which allows households of various sizes to 
qualify for programs as if they were larger households.
    Is there a more permanent and holistic solution to make 
certain that USDA and other Federal housing programs more 
efficiently and fairly reach the most disadvantaged households 
and communities in these rural areas?
    Ms. Torres Small. Thank you for the question, and I would 
love to follow up with you and make sure that my staff is 
following up with you on this. Across the board, median area 
income has been--it does not always exactly capture the 
picture. And so as you have ideas or questions about what might 
capture that picture better we would love to provide technical 
assistance.
    Senator Rounds. Yeah, and my time has expired. In fact, I 
am past it. But I just want to say thank you for that, and I 
will take you up on that, because I think that is one of those 
items nobody thought about that as being a problem but 
apparently it is, and it is one thing that perhaps we could 
work together on and find a path forward.
    Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chair Smith. Thank you very much, Senator Rounds.
    Is Senator Tester online? No? OK.
    I want to just follow up on your line of questions. I think 
that there is just a lot of common ground here as we think 
about modernization and streamlining and making these programs 
actually work the way everybody wants them to work. So let me 
just follow up on this a little bit.
    You are talking about some of the frustrations that people 
have trying to get good service, and I also understand that one 
of the problems is that the Rural Housing Service is using 
software that in some cases is decades old. In fact, sometimes 
there is not even really technology. You cannot even really 
support the technology that exists anymore. So of course it is 
no surprise that you end up with kind of workarounds like you 
described, and like I have heard from my constituents in 
Minnesota.
    But I also know that the solution is not always just new 
technology because you need, at the same time, to rework the 
underlying work processes so that you are not just putting new 
technology on old work processes that are extremely cumbersome 
and need to be modernized and then you are just sort of 
speeding up what is already not a very efficient process.
    So, Under Secretary, could you address that issue, and how 
much of this is around technology and how much of it is around 
really addressing the underlying work process that needs to be 
streamlined and improved and made more efficient?
    Ms. Torres Small. They are both crucial issues, and in some 
places they are connected. So if you look at the 502 Single-
Family Housing Direct Loan Program, in order to address the 
work processes we need the technology to do that, because right 
now there are inefficient work processes that are built to 
compensate for that old technology.
    In other places there is, I think, an opportunity to 
address work processes now, also recognizing that new 
technology answers may be in the future, a few years maybe, and 
so finding workarounds for now that are better processes that 
can then easily move to a different technology in the future 
makes sense. And I think there are a few places where that 
might be an option. I would be happy to have more discussion 
with you about that, specifically in the preservation 
conversation. One of the challenges is making sure we have 
enough staff to administer the enormous investment that we need 
when it comes to preservation, and part of that is having 
efficient work processes to make that work.
    Chair Smith. And I know that Senator Rounds and I are very 
interested in understanding like what part of this do you 
already have administrative authority to accomplish on your own 
and then where do you need support and where specifically do we 
need to do something legislatively to give you the authorities 
or what you need in order to get work done that you need to be 
able to get done. So we can follow up on that as we think about 
what work we want to do legislatively.
    I want to ask about the Section 515 program. As I said in 
my opening statements, this is 16,000, I think, rural rental 
properties, translating to about 533,000 affordable units that 
have been financed through the Rural Housing Service's Section 
515 program. And as loans for these properties are maturing, 
more affordable units are existing the program, and then they 
are losing affordability protections for tenants. And existing 
properties may lose rental assistance funding, and some 
properties are just no longer required to keep rents 
affordable, meaning that residents could face pretty serious 
dislocation.
    So, Under Secretary, could you talk to us about what 
incentives can Rural Development and the Rural Housing Service 
offer property owners to remain in the 515 program, and what 
are you thinking about to address the large number of 515 
properties that are projected to exit the program soon as their 
mortgages mature?
    Ms. Torres Small. I am so grateful that you are bringing 
this up, because as I look at the sustainability of the Rural 
Housing Service this is one of the key things that keeps me up 
at night. We are at a break in terms of the path that we are 
currently on, and if we continue down that path we could lose 
three-quarters of our housing stock by 2050. Right now 68 
percent of our housing stock is over 30-years old, and that 30-
year-old mortgage is what impacts the ability for them to stay 
in the program.
    So thankfully there has already been in an investment in 
the preservation program, and I really appreciate your efforts 
to look at permanently authorizing that, recognizing that right 
now it is a pilot. Maybe it is something that needs to extend 
log into the future. And so I am happy to provide technical 
assistance on that. It is a crucial component, and the 
importance of it was recognized in the Build Back Better 
legislation.
    We also need to look at decoupling in order to provide 
other opportunities for preservation, through other financing, 
as well as new construction, recognizing that even if we kept 
all the housing units we have right now it does not fill the 
housing need in rural America.
    Chair Smith. Great. Thank you. Thank you so much.
    So, Senator Rounds, Senator Tester is going to be here in 
just a few minutes, and I know the vote started about 7 or 8 
minutes ago. Would you like to ask another couple of questions 
while I wait for Senator Tester?
    Senator Rounds. I have just a couple of thoughts, and you 
have answered the questions that I had prepared, but it does 
bring up the 502 program, which, and under the direct or using 
contract agreements, we did the pilot program, and what we 
found was the pilot program seemed to work fairly well, and 
using independent organizations that understood their 
communities, particularly in tribal areas, when people need a 
loan or they are looking at the possibility of different loans, 
the availability to have somebody right there locally who can 
help them work through, help with the paperwork, help put 
everything together, cut through the red tape, and to do it in 
an ongoing fashion so they know it because they do lots of 
them, appears to us to be a really good model to really expand 
on.
    I am not sure if you are familiar with the program, but 
could you talk a little bit about what might be good about it 
and what you might see as some challenges if we were to go 
nationwide with it?
    Ms. Torres Small. It is a really exciting opportunity, and 
what I love about it is it focuses on something that Rural 
Development has long been interested but is really working to 
prioritize, and that is local partnerships. How do we invest 
more with those trusted partners on the ground who have 
existing relationships with people, who otherwise do not 
necessarily know about Rural Development, or maybe do not feel 
comfortable interacting with the Federal Government? And having 
that partnership on the ground is a great just voucher for 
them.
    I know when my husband and I bought our first house we 
asked our friend, who had bought a house before us, ``Who 
should we talk to, to finance it?'' And so having someone that 
you trust is really important, and we are seeing that impact. 
Nineteen families now have homes because of that pilot project 
in South Dakota. It is very exciting.
    We are in the process now where we are going to start 
receiving the loan payments, so we will keep you abreast of how 
that part is working. We are very optimistic, and just want to 
make sure, as we look to the other opportunities to extend the 
program, how that part works. But we are very optimistic.
    The other thing I will say is RHS is where a lot of those 
partners get their start, where those nonprofits or other local 
partners are able to work with Rural Development and receive 
the funding that is necessary to serve their communities. And 
by investing in Native CDFIs you are also creating a financial 
partner, where a lot of Indian Country does not have access to 
a local bank or a local financing partner. So it is a really 
exciting investment, and we look forward to continuing to work 
with you on it.
    Senator Rounds. And I thank you for that. I think the other 
part of this that sometimes gets missed is these organizations 
at the local level are looking to find whatever avenue is 
available for these families. Not one single program fits 
everybody's plans, but to be able to access this particular 
program, using local representation, clearly has a future in 
our opinion.
    The other thing is that on a community-by-community basis, 
in many cases for these rural areas that have a real lack of 
housing--and I am talking about the tribal lands, in 
particular--a lot of the homes are going to be put on tribal 
trust, where the ownership of that particular thing may not 
start out in the name of the individual that has the actual 
home itself. So these local organizations know how to work 
through that to make that happen, to coordinate, to get the 
appropriate title so that they can access the 502 program. And 
I think that is a really important part of this that has held 
up development in some of our Native American locations across 
the country, particularly with the treaty tribes, which are 
some of the highest-poverty reservations in the entire Nation.
    So I would just encourage that, you know, whatever it takes 
to be able to access this is going to really improve the 
economic outlook for families that, in some cases, it may be a 
single grandmother who is making the application but she will 
end up with, perhaps, several different generations living with 
her, in a home, and it may be the best home that two or three 
generations could have access to. So I really encourage that we 
find a path forward across the country for these types of 
developments.
    Ms. Torres Small. Thank you for that, and it reinforces for 
me that this should also be a learning partnership. So as 
Native CDFIs find ways to deal with some of the tribal trust 
issues that we can also learn from that and do it better on our 
end as well.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chair Smith. Thank you, Senator Rounds.
    Senator Tester has been waylaid so I am going to ask one 
more question and then we will wrap up, unless there are any 
other Senators who wish to ask questions. And I want to just 
follow up in this interaction between HUD and RHS that Senator 
Rounds brought up initially.
    You know, in my conversations with housing advocates in 
rural places they share with me the frustrations with delays 
they have encountered with working with RHS, and this is 
especially around transitioning properties from private 
ownership to nonprofit entities that needs to happen. The 
Southwest Minnesota Housing Partnership, for example, has been 
attempting to transfer properties since 2016.
    So it is my understanding that HUD actually has some 
systems in place that would help streamline these processes. So 
my questions are this. What authorities does RHS have that 
mirrors--or should have--what authorities should RHS have to 
mirror what HUD can do, and do you have any recommendations to 
this Subcommittee on what RHS needs to do that could expedite 
this process?
    Ms. Torres Small. I would love to follow up and make sure 
my staff follows up with your staff, specifically on transfer 
from commercial to nonprofit. That is not actually an issue I 
am familiar with in terms of our authorities versus HUD, but I 
think that is wonderful. And the more that we can have an 
engagement on the types of authorities that HUD has that we do 
not, with your partners, I think the better we will be able to 
respond to this work because I think it is a crucial one.
    Another example where we are seeing authorities in HUD that 
we do not have is with foreclosures, and it can actually impact 
our ability to have a quick transition to return that housing 
stock to the rural marketplace, whereas HUD has that authority.
    So I think we should continue to identify these places 
where we could potentially work together and provide that 
technical assistance to better do our job in the future.
    Chair Smith. I think that would be very helpful. We will 
figure out how to follow up on that. We want to make sure that 
these programs are working well together. There is a unique 
capacity that USDA has as a trusted source in rural communities 
that we want to take advantage of for providing improved 
service, but looking for ways where there could be better 
collaboration is good.
    Thank you very much.
    And Senator Rounds, unless you have further questions I 
want to thank you very much, Under Secretary Torres Small, for 
being with us here today and providing your testimony. Before 
we adjourn I would like to enter into the record a statement 
from the Bipartisan Policy Center.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    For Senators who wish to submit questions for the record 
those questions will be due 1 week from today, which will be on 
Wednesday, June 1st, and for our witness you will have 45 days 
to respond to any questions for the record.
    Thank you again, and with that this hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 3:33 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF XOCHITL TORRES SMALL
    Under Secretary for Rural Development, Department of Agriculture
                              May 25, 2022
    Chair Smith, Ranking Member Rounds, and Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to come before you today to 
discuss the state of the Rural Housing Service (RHS) and its role in 
supporting housing in rural America. Well-built, affordable housing is 
essential to the vitality of communities in rural America--it allows 
generations of families to live their lives in the place they want to 
call home. The Biden-Harris administration has been clear about its 
commitment to a sustainable and prosperous rural America, and at the 
U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Rural Development mission area 
and Rural Housing Service in particular, we are working to do our part.
    Rural housing faces unique challenges with respect to 
affordability, preservation, and modernization. Large-scale rural 
housing developments aren't often supported by private industry, 
populations are not aggregated enough to sustain high-volume units, and 
construction and maintenance costs are higher than in urban areas. \1\ 
For many Americans, home ownership is a lifetime goal, and a home is a 
generational asset. Home ownership is closely tied to the ability of 
Americans to build wealth and security, and deeply rooted in the fabric 
of rural communities. Access to a safe home can reduce adverse health 
outcomes, \2\ help to mitigate food insecurity, \3\ and bolster 
financial well-being.
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     \2\ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7725589/
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    The Rural Housing Service's core programs and authorities are 
incredibly impactful. But our programs are rooted in the title V of the 
Rural Housing Act of 1949 and infrequently adjusted or updated, and 
rarely are they considered holistically and with a comprehensive view 
of what it will take to keep affordable and safe housing in rural and 
Tribal communities. This hearing presents an opportunity to take that 
wider view and ensure the Rural Housing Service is the transformational 
partner rural and Tribal communities need today.
    The Rural Housing Service works to support people in their pursuit 
to make this American dream a reality. The Rural Housing Service offers 
a suite of programs to help support rural housing needs in rural 
America. Single-Family Housing Programs give families and individuals 
the opportunity to buy, build, or repair affordable homes located in 
rural areas. Through its Multi-Family Housing Programs, the Rural 
Housing Service provides affordable multifamily rental housing in rural 
areas by financing projects geared for low-income, elderly, and 
disabled individuals and families as well as domestic farm laborers.
    Multifamily 515 construction loans are coupled with Rental 
Assistance to provide low-income tenant-based housing. The number of 
515 direct loans have fallen over the past two decades, as tenant 
rental assistance has grown. The cost of maintaining the RA contracts 
and funding them annually increases over time and consumes the majority 
of USDA RHS funding--resulting in the erosion of funds available for 
new housing and preservation at historically static levels. This has 
been true even as loan subsidy costs have come down over the last 10 
years, and is exacerbated by the increase in housing costs and building 
materials. Meanwhile, the need for low-income housing in rural areas 
continues to be an issue.
    The Biden-Harris administration is committed to changing this by 
supporting rural housing and the Rural Housing Service's portfolio and 
mission. The proposed Fiscal Year 2023 budget includes Significant 
investments in the Rural Housing Service, including $1.773 billion for 
USDA Multifamily Housing Programs, an increase of $256 million over the 
2022 enacted level. This significant investment would help address 
housing insecurity and rent burdens in rural communities. This funding 
will be prioritized for projects that improve energy or water 
efficiency or facilitate climate resilience. Additionally, the Budget 
proposes $1.5 billion in loan level for low-income single-family 
housing loans, an increase of $250 million, and proposes a critical 
increase of $204 million for Rural Development to revitalize its 
staffing and technological capacity.
    When appropriately resourced and given the tools needed to 
modernize, improve customer service, and allow for much-needed 
flexibility, the Rural Housing Service can be an invaluable resource 
for rural communities struggling with affordable, safe, and energy 
efficient housing. I look forward to working to tackle these issues and 
partnering with Congress to keep people in your communities.
Flexibility
    The Rural Housing Service's Multi-Family Housing Program provides 
affordable multifamily rental housing in rural areas, supporting low-
income and elderly individuals. We extend our reach by guaranteeing 
loans for affordable rental housing designed for low- to moderate-
income residents in rural areas and towns. As a cornerstone of our 
approach to affordability, we subsidize rents for low-income tenants in 
our projects who cannot afford to pay their full rent
    We aim to preserve our portfolio by restructuring loans for 
existing rural rental housing and off-farm labor housing projects to 
allow for sufficient reserves to meet major repairs and improvements 
over the lifetime of the property. On a yearly basis we also provide 
grants to sponsoring organizations to repair or rehabilitate housing 
for needy families.
    However, there is an imminent need to both more aggressively 
preserve Multi-Family Housing's existing portfolio and build new stock. 
RHS Multi-Family data indicates that $10 billion in Multi-Family 
Preservation and Revitalization funding will be needed by 2033 to 
preserve 137,000 units. The Rural Housing Service currently has 
approximately 400,000 units within its portfolio and in the absence of 
robust funding for Multi-Family Preservation and Revitalization, we 
will lose 333,780 units by 2050.
    Moreover, as more Rural Housing Service-financed property mortgages 
mature and exit the portfolio in the coming years, owners will no 
longer be required to meet affordability standards or maintain the 
property to USDA standards. That's why it is critical that the Rural 
Housing Service also be afforded the resources to build its housing 
stock to ensure that there is equitable access to safe and affordable 
housing in rural areas
    Last, Rental Assistance plays a role in maintaining good 
partnerships with existing properties and new investments. By 
decoupling rental assistance from property debt, the Rural Housing 
Service can maintain affordable housing opportunities, even as Multi-
Family Housing loans are paid off, and provide more flexibility for 
Multi-Family Housing Preservation and Rehabilitation funds.
    President Biden's Fiscal Year 2023 budget sets a strong course for 
these solutions. The FY23 Budget includes an authorization to decouple 
section 515 and section 514 from the Rental Assistance program. Because 
the Section 515 Rural Rental and 514 Farm Labor Housing portfolios are 
aging, mortgage maturities will accelerate significantly from 2027 
through 2041, and RA support will also be lost. There is an urgent need 
to find solutions to allow these properties to recapitalize, perform 
needed rehabilitation and repairs, and be preserved as quality 
affordable housing assets for many years to come.
    Current statute requires a property to have a USDA mortgage to 
receive Rental Assistance (RA). If the mortgage is paid off through 
prepayment or maturity the property can no longer receive RA. Because 
keeping RA in place requires keeping the USDA mortgage in place, 
utilizing new private debt or equity to recapitalize and preserve these 
properties is very difficult, costly and requires complicated 
subordination agreements.
    Allowing the USDA debt to be paid off while keeping the RA in place 
is essential to facilitate preservation at scale across the Multifamily 
housing portfolio. RA is a critical component underlying all modern-day 
affordable housing platforms and is needed to achieve rents that will 
support recapitalization. RA is often included in State housing finance 
agency prioritization for receipt of low-income housing tax credits and 
other local resources. When the Section 515 mortgage matures or 
prepays, the debt load of the property is reduced, allowing borrowers 
to take on additional third-party debt to facilitate recapitalization.
    The budget also includes a proposal to permanently authorize Multi-
Family Preservation and Rehabilitation, which has been a demonstration 
program since 2006. The multifamily housing preservation and 
revitalization program is an effective tool to RD's existing 
multifamily housing portfolio. The average age of rental housing in the 
section 515 portfolio is 28 years and in need of revitalization, but 
many projects do not have sufficient reserves to fund ongoing 
rehabilitation. Permanently authorizing these financing tools will show 
the Government's commitment to low-income rental housing preservation 
in rural America.
    Rural housing challenges across the country are unique, and the 
task of preserving and building rural housing stock is steep--a 
challenge that benefits from statutory flexibility to deploy resources 
and tailor unique solutions.
Customer Service
    The Rural Housing Service's Single-Family Housing Programs support 
the ability of rural families and individuals to repair, purchase and 
construct homes. These programs offer qualifying individuals and 
families the opportunity to purchase or build a new single-family home 
with no money down, to repair their existing home, or to refinance 
their current mortgage under certain qualifying circumstances. There 
are also programs to assist nonprofit entities in their efforts to 
provide new homes or home repair to qualifying individuals and 
families.
    The Section 504 Home Repair program provides loans to very-low-
income homeowners to repair, improve or modernize their homes or grants 
to elderly very-low-income homeowners to remove health and safety 
hazards. The Section 502 Direct Loan Program assists low- and very-low-
income applicants obtain safe and sanitary housing in eligible rural 
areas by providing payment assistance to increase an applicant's 
repayment ability. Payment assistance is a type of subsidy that reduces 
the mortgage payment for a short time. The amount of assistance is 
determined by the adjusted family income.
    In Fiscal Year 2021, the most common Section 504 applicant 
composition was a single, elderly female with no dependents making 
$15,700 per year. The most common Section 502 applicant was a single 
female with two dependents making $38,190 per year. These represent 
some of the country's most vulnerable populations and need the most 
support in accessing Rural Housing Service Programs. These are also 
populations that often reside in historically underserved communities 
and can be most positively impacted by Rural Housing Service technical 
assistance to ensure that they have access to our programs.
    In a colonia in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, I saw the value of 
this technical assistance in action. I met an elderly couple who had 
applied for and secured a Section 504 grant to repair damage to their 
roof. They were only able to apply for and secure a Section 504 grant 
because a Rural Development employee took the time to sit down and help 
them with the application. Their application had a ripple effect--they 
told their neighbors, and soon the whole neighborhood had taken 
advantage of the program and were improving living conditions within 
their neighborhood. This tells a powerful story, but one that is only 
possible when Rural Housing Service is adequately staffed and 
resourced.
    Our Single-Family Housing and Multi-Family Housing staff are 
dedicated to our mission and customers. However, employees are unable 
to keep up with demand due to inadequate resources which result in 
delays and lost opportunities for our customers. Single-Family Direct 
programs have suffered staffing losses across State offices over the 
past several years and many States have lost their most experienced 
staff to retirement and outside opportunities. On average there are 
only 15 Single-Family Housing Full-Time Employees (FTEs) per State with 
staff leveling ranging from 3 to 44 FTEs. Multi-Family has an average 
of only 7 FTEs per State.
    Customer demand remains strong, yet States are often either unable 
to meet demand or do so in a timely manner because of inadequate 
resources. Rural Housing Service needs more resources and flexibility 
to fully deliver the wide variety of complex programs appropriated by 
Congress. To achieve that, we are hoping to secure permanent authority 
for the Rural Partnership Program that would give RD the ability to 
work with rural communities through third-party technical assistance 
providers to develop comprehensive economic development plans and then 
implement such plans in a one-stop-shop approach. Further the grants 
portion of this program will help with building the capacity of third-
party technical assistance providers who can help other rural 
communities outside of the program. In addition, as we ramp up the 
Rural Partners Network to shore up capacity and outreach from within 
the RD field staff, funding flexibility is needed to fully realize this 
interagency network of Federal staff whose job is to work directly with 
communities. As the Federal entity charged with coordinating rural 
policy, RD is well positioned to serve as the hub for this network, but 
it will need to work in partnership with other Federal agencies and in 
certain cases transfer funds to those agencies so they have right staff 
to support this network. Legislative language is needed to ensure 
transfer of funds for the Rural Partners Network to other Federal 
agencies is authorized.
    In addition, for servicing our inventory property, it would be 
useful if we could contract with a National Servicer, but the program 
loan requirement hinders our ability to achieve that efficiency. If RHS 
could get authorization to facilitate the sales of Real Estate Owned 
(REO) properties by eliminating the distinction between program and 
nonprogram REO properties that use up administrative resources and 
creates inefficiencies in liquidation of these properties; and revise/
remove the priority to program eligible borrowers. Determining whether 
potential buyers are eligible for program loans significantly burdens 
administrative resources, the historical data shows that the increased 
expense results in very few REO properties ending up with program 
borrowers (about 10 out of 1000 REO sales annually).
Modernization
    The Rural Housing Service supports community infrastructure and 
builds safe and affordable housing across rural America. One of the 
strengths of Rural Development and the Rural Housing Service is that 
unlike many other Federal agencies, we have a presence in the 
communities we serve through our State and area offices. With over 
4,600 ``boots on the ground,'' Rural Development identifies and 
provides rural assistance that reflects the needs of local communities. 
Congress recognizes this special relationship and has entrusted the 
Rural Housing Service to invest in rural communities by increasing 
program levels each year. We are grateful to Congress for its trust in 
our highly effective stewardship of the funding and authorities they 
have entrusted to us.
    The Rural Housing Service has a wide range of tools and 
authorities, but there are ways that these programs and authorities are 
dated, cumbersome and can make it so that working with Rural 
Development is harder for communities than it should be. From providing 
technical assistance to helping communities employ proven development 
strategies and finance methods, Rural Development could be an even 
better partner to rural and Tribal housing customers. To that end, I am 
eager to work with Congress to ensure that the Rural Housing Service is 
a modern, customer-oriented organization with the programs, tools, and 
skills that ensures we can meet communities where they are and offer 
the full scope of expertise and support rural communities' housing 
needs today.
    A perfect example of how, when adequately resourced and staffed, 
the Rural Housing Service can be a partner in transformation is the 
Emergency Rural Health Care Grant Program. Congress and President Biden 
provided $500 million through the American Rescue Plan for USDA to 
create the Emergency Rural Health Care Grant Program. The program 
provides $350 million to help rural hospitals and local communities 
increase access to COVID-19 vaccines and testing, medical supplies, 
telehealth, and food assistance, and support the construction or 
renovation of rural healthcare facilities. It also provides recovery 
funds that compensate for lost revenue or staffing expenses due to 
COVID-19. In addition, the program provides up to $125 million in 
grants to plan and implement models that help improve the long-term 
viability of rural healthcare providers, including healthcare networks 
that allow rural providers to collectively address community challenges 
and develop innovative solutions. The interest for this new grant 
program speaks directly to the tremendous need for this support from 
rural healthcare providers.
    The Emergency Rural Health Care Grants also represent an 
administrative success for the Rural Housing Service. The American 
Rescue Plan provided a five percent set aside for staffing, technology, 
and technical assistance for applicants. This has allowed the Rural 
Housing Service to hire industry-specific staff, create a user-friendly 
application portal, and provide technical assistance for our customers 
to apply in record time. This allowed the Rural Housing Service to 
temporarily hire much-needed staff, access modern technology systems, 
and provide technical assistance to ensure that this program reached 
historically underserved communities without the capacity to leverage 
these resources. While some Federal programs of this scope often take 
years to stand up, the Rural Housing Service understood the urgency of 
supporting rural hospitals immediately. We stood up a brand-new 
approach to healthcare support in less than 6 months, speaking to the 
possibilities when programs are appropriately resourced and given the 
capacity to administer them.
Conclusion
    Housing is the cornerstone of rural America--it is not just the way 
to keep a roof over rural Americans' heads but is also an economic 
driver and support system for our rural communities.
    The Rural Housing Service has the tools to be a partner with these 
communities--helping an elderly individual repair a family home, 
supporting a family to purchase their first home, or providing 
affordable farm labor housing in agricultural communities. These tools 
cannot be fully deployed without additional resources and authorities 
to modernize the Rural Housing Service, support staffing to ensure that 
we are providing top-tier customer service and providing flexibility to 
allow the agency to adapt in the face of unique challenges.
    I am deeply grateful to the Chair and Ranking Member for holding 
this hearing--it shows how critical the need is in rural areas, and how 
eager Congress is to be a partner in supporting affordable and safe 
rural housing. I ask that as Congress deliberates solutions to the 
American housing crisis, rural America--and the Rural Housing Service--
remain a part of the conversation. I look forward to working with this 
Subcommittee to support our rural communities.
               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
         SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM XOCHITL TORRES SMALL

Q.1. In 2013, USDA, under the Single-Family Home (SFH) program, 
funded 860 guaranteed loans and 53 direct loans. In 2021 USDA 
SFH program showed a total of 428 loan transactions. Is this 
decrease due to a decrease in demand or due to other factors, 
like Senator Rounds referenced at the hearing--USDA's Rural 
Housing Service entails such a burdensome administrative 
process and lacks flexibility in programs that communities stop 
using them. What specific steps are you taking to address the 
issues in the administrative process?

A.1. While Nevada's (NV) obligations decreased between fiscal 
years (FY) 2013 and 2021, this was not reflective Nationally. 
Historically, the Section 502 Direct program is oversubscribed. 
All USDA SFH Direct appropriated funds were obligated during 
the 2013-2021 period, with FY 2013-2014 being Nevada's highest 
obligation years.
    The declining obligations in NV were largely due to 
staffing challenges and leadership changes. The absence of 
sufficient staff limited the State's ability to timely process 
applications and market programs to vital stakeholders (such as 
real estate agents, lenders, nonprofits, prospective 
homeowners). Staffing issues were exacerbated by COVID-19, 
which also took a national toll on the traditionally in-person, 
field-based delivery of Section 502 and 504 programs.
    Despite COVID-19, NV made significant strides in addressing 
resource gaps. In 2019, a new SFH Program Director was 
selected, new staff were onboarded, and an aggressive marketing 
strategy was deployed to promote both 502 and 504 Direct 
Programs. Rural Development in NV, however, remains optimistic 
that improved marketing will lead to an increase in 
applications/obligations. As an earlier indicator of marketing 
efficacy, Rural Development in NV also experienced a FY 2021 
increase in Section 504 loan and grant program utilization. 
Section 504 programs serve our largest rural population(s) of 
elderly and under-resourced communities of color.
    Additionally, SFH implemented a nationwide modernization 
effort to reevaluate and redefined each State's administrative 
and operational needs. The modernization effort seeks to update 
organizational structures and will replace outdated 
technology--including an overhaul a 30-year-old legacy loan 
origination system (UniFi). Essentially, modernizing SFH's 
staffing framework and origination technology, will replace 
burdensome administrative processes and manual workarounds to 
fully automate and streamline the Direct Program. Staffing is a 
top priority for USDA leadership and the agency will continue 
to address burdensome administrative processes that create 
delays in serving borrowers.

Q.2. All servicing and loan-making for multifamily housing has 
been regionalized at USDA RHS. As a result Nevada's Rural 
Housing Authority has to work with outsiders located in other 
States who know little to nothing about rural Nevada's market 
and projects. The Nevada Rural Housing Authority stated that 
for a single project with USDA's RHS, their team had to work 
with a loan officer in one location, an architect in another, 
an engineer in another, and an appraiser in yet another 
location. With each of these specialists located in different 
places, information was funneled through a loan processor who 
had to interpret back-and-forth between these specialists and 
staff at the Nevada Rural Housing Authority. After this 
laborious and circuitous process, all this was sent to 
underwriting in DC, and, again, each staffer who worked on this 
request had to get re-acquainted with the project from scratch.

    What changes can you make to increase efficiency?

    Would you consider unconsolidating/changing the 
        current regional model?

    What resources would you need to implement this 
        change?

A.2. RHS leadership holds customer service and communication as 
top priorities for the agency. As of June of 2022, RHS 
leadership directed the Multi-Family Housing Division to begin 
the process of hiring 35 additional Full-time Employees (FTEs). 
The prioritization of Multi-Family Housing staff, which 
includes staff that are field-based, will serve as a critical 
step in increasing efficiency in the Multi-Family Housing 
portfolio as well as communication with Multi-Family housing 
stakeholders. Additionally, RHS will continue to improve 
communication processes between Rural Development State and 
national office employees and identify opportunities to improve 
the customer experience and identify burdensome processes. RHS 
leadership will continue to strengthen relationships with State 
Housing Finance Agencies (HFAs) to identify potential 
collaborations. Most HFAs currently participate in both RHS 
Single-Family and Multi-Family Programs, and the agency plans 
to continue dialogue with HFA leaders to identify new 
opportunities to increase efficiencies in workflow and develop 
and preserve more affordable housing.

Q.3. Following up on Senator Ossoff's questions on language 
access, can you please share how Nevadans who face language 
barriers can access and navigate Rural Housing program 
services? Please share how many bilingual staff or translators 
are able to assist with inquiries in the Nevada service area.

A.3. RHS utilizes multiple sources to ensure individuals facing 
language barriers can access and navigate Rural Housing Service 
Programs. These sources include translated Single-Family and 
Multi-Family Housing documents that are available online and 
located at RD State Offices. RHS works to ensure compliance 
with the Limited English Proficiency Guidance from the 
Department of Justice and works with USDA's Office of Civil 
Rights frequently on issues related to language barriers.

Q.4. The Administration has capitalized on the requirement for 
an interagency Rural Council through its new Rural Partners 
Network pilot program to coincide the significant opportunity 
we have today with various investments in infrastructure in our 
country.
    Will this interagency coordinating council be working to 
cooperate on housing challenges across all agencies, as 
intended?

A.4. The Rural Partners Network (RPN) will serve as a vital
resource in connecting rural Americans to Federal programs and
resources. RPN will amplify key housing programs and sources 
available under the Rural Housing Service (RHS).

Q.5. How has, or could, the Department utilized the bipartisan 
Rural Broadband Integration Working Group in the Farm Bill 
ensure we're closing the digital divide by leveraging multiple 
Federal funding streams and agencies between these two priority 
areas?

A.5. The Department is working to bridge the digital divide by 
coordinating closely with Federal partners to ensure funding 
streams are leveraged to the greatest extent possible and to 
ensure Federal broadband programs and policies are 
complementary to one another.
    The Agricultural Improvement Act of 2018 (Farm Bill) and 
language in successive Appropriations Acts directed the 
Department to coordinate and work in collaboration with other 
Federal broadband funding agencies, including the National 
Telecommunications Information Administration (NTIA), the 
Federal Communications Commissions (FCC), and the Department of 
Treasury (Treasury). In response, the Department entered into a 
Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with NTIA, FCC, and Treasury 
to ensure program coordination through consultation and sharing 
of information about existing or planned projects that receive 
broadband funding. This includes sharing information regarding 
entities providing broadband service in a specified geographic 
area; the levels of broadband service in that area, including 
broadband speeds and technologies deployed; the geographic 
scope of broadband service in that area, and identifying each 
entity in that area that has or will receive funds from these 
programs.
    Additionally, USDA serves as Cochair, alongside NTIA, on 
the American Broadband Initiative (ABI) Federal Funding 
Workstream (FFWS). The ABI FFWS is tasked with ensuring Federal 
funding for broadband targets areas of greatest need, creating 
resources that allow stakeholders to easily identify Federal 
broadband funding and digital inclusion opportunities, 
promoting consistent policies and procedures across Federal 
broadband programs, promoting collaboration at Federal 
broadband outreach events, and leveraging State and local 
policies and programs to ensure Federal funding is being 
utilized efficiently and effectively. The ABI FFWS consists of 
nearly two dozen Federal agencies including the Economic 
Development Administration (EDA), FirstNet, Appalachian 
Regional Commissions (ARC), Delta Regional Authority, 
Department of Education, FCC, Health Resources and Service 
Administration (HRSA), Housing and Urban Development (HUD), 
Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS), Department of 
Interior (DOI), Department of Labor (DOL), Small Business 
Administration (SBA), Treasury, Denali Commission, Indian 
Health Service (IHS) and Northern Border Regional Commission 
(NBRC). The ABI FFWS meets regularly to discuss collaboration 
opportunities and share updates about each agency's respective 
programs.
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        RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR MORAN
                   FROM XOCHITL TORRES SMALL

Q.1. Sterling, Kansas, a town of only 2,200 people, is home to 
thousands of job openings from new industrial projects. But 
high homebuilding costs and the difficulty of development has 
stagnated the housing supply in this rural community. The lack 
of housing in Sterling has forced many who work there to 
commute from nearly 2 hours outside of town.
    Part of the issue is the difficulty of securing land for 
low-income housing to be built on. Section 523 rural housing 
site loans provide a way for nonprofits, Tribal, and local 
governments to acquire sites for housing. Unfortunately, the 
last time a Section 523 loan was funded was in 2016. The 2-year 
restrictions on these loans has limited the usage of Section 
523 programs for developers that likely need more time to 
complete the projects.
    Would your department consider altering the terms of these 
loans to increase flexibility and encourage their usage?

A.1. RD recognizes the difficulty placed on recipients due to 
the terms of Section 523 and 524 site loans. As currently 
written, the Housing Act of 1949, as amended (Housing Act) 
(authorizing statute) requires Section 523 and 524 Site Land 
Development loans be repaid within 2 years from closing. This 
2-year term typically does not allow sufficient time for 
borrower organizations to complete the necessary development 
and marketing of home sites in rural areas resulting in 
delinquent loans. The short loan repayment term offsets the 
other benefits of this loan program, severely limiting its use 
by eligible organizations that serve the housing needs of low-
income rural Americans.
    Since the loan terms are a statutory requirement, it is not 
currently within USDA control to alter the repayment period. 
However, if the authorizing statute found at 42 U.S.C. 1490c 
(b)(1)(B) is amended to allow a longer term, the change would 
promote construction of new, affordable housing in rural 
communities for low-income rural Americans.

Q.2. The Section 538 program is a cost-effective, private-
public partnership program for developing and preserving rental 
housing for rural Americans of modest means. The 
Administration's budget and the Appropriations Committee have 
dramatically increased the commitment authority for the program 
to provide for increased utilization, and to give more such 
rural families a chance for decent housing.
    Is there enough staff in place today to handle this 
increase?
    If not, how is RHS going to quickly provide the necessary 
staffing to ensure that the program's goals (of developing and 
preserving more multifamily rural housing) are met?

A.2. As of June of 2022, RHS leadership directed the Multi-
Family Housing Division to begin the process of hiring 35 
additional Full-time Employees (FTEs). The increase in Multi-
Family Housing FTE levels will improve and strengthen the 
service provided to Section 538 borrowers. The Section 538 
program is a critical resource in the development of affordable 
Multi-Family Housing. In early March of 2022, RHS published a 
new guaranteed fee structure, which ultimately makes the 
program easier to use and may incentivize lenders to 
participate in more new construction activities.

Q.3. What Rural Housing Service programs in particular would 
most benefit from an increase in funding through the 
appropriations process?

A.3. USDA's Multi-Family Housing Portfolio includes 
approximately 400,000 units at approximately 14,000 properties. 
RHS programs that would most benefit from an increase in 
funding through the appropriations process include the Section 
515 Rural Rental Housing Program, Section 521 Rental Assistance 
Program, Section 538 Guaranteed Program, and the Multi-Family 
Preservation and Revitalization (MPR) Program. These programs 
serve as vital resources to develop affordable housing, ensure 
affordable rent for tenants, and preserve maturing properties 
in rural America.
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