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              CONFRONTING KREMLIN AND COMMUNIST CORRUPTION

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				   JOE WILSON, South Carolina Ranking
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi 	       Member
    Ranking Member		   ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama
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JEANNE SHAHEEN, New Hampshire	   RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina
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THOM TILLIS, North Carolina	   MARC A. VEASEY, Texas
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Hon. Benjamin L. Cardin, Chairman, from Maryland.................     1

Hon. Roger F. Wicker, Ranking Member, from Mississippi...........     3

Hon. Joe Wilson, Ranking Member, from South Carolina.............     4

Hon. Steve Cohen, Co-Chairman, from Tennessee....................     6

Hon. Ruben Gallego, from Arizona.................................    23


                               WITNESSES

Representative Tom Malinowski [D-NJ], Co-Chair, Congressional 
  Caucus Against Foreign Corruption and Kleptocracy..............     7

Representative Maria Elvira Salazar [R-FL], Member, congressional 
  Caucus Against Foreign Corruption and Kleptocracy..............    10

Leonid Volkov, Chief of Staff to Alexei Navalny..................    12

Scott Greytak, Advocacy Director, Transparency International U.S. 
  Office.........................................................    14

Elaine Dezenski, Senior Advisor, Center on Economic and Financial 
  Power, Foundation for Defense of Democracies...................    15


 
              CONFRONTING KREMLIN AND COMMUNIST CORRUPTION

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 COMMISSION ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION IN 
                                    EUROPE,
                          U.S. HELSINKI COMMISSION,
                                  HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
                                       Thursday, November 18, 2021.

    The hearing was held from 10:34 a.m. to 12:11 p.m. in Room 
G-50, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC, Senator 
Benjamin L. Cardin [D-MD], Chairman, Commission for Security 
and Cooperation in Europe, presiding.

    Committee Members Present: Senator Benjamin L. Cardin [D-
MD], Chairman; Representative Steve Cohen [D-TN], Co-Chairman; 
Senator Roger F. Wicker [R-MS], Ranking Member; Representative 
Joe Wilson [R-SC], Ranking Member; Representative Marc Veasey 
[D-TX]; Representative Brian Fitzpatrick [R-PA]; Representative 
Ruben Gallego [D-AZ].
    Witnesses: Representative Tom Malinowski [D-NJ], Co-Chair, 
Congressional Caucus Against Foreign Corruption and 
Kleptocracy; Representative Maria Elvira Salazar [R-FL], 
Member, Congressional Caucus Against Foreign Corruption and 
Kleptocracy; Leonid Volkov, Chief of Staff to Alexei Navalny; 
Elaine Dezenski, Senior Advisor, Center on Economic and 
Financial Power, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Scott 
Greytak, Advocacy Director, Transparency International U.S. 
Office.

OPENING STATEMENT OF BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, CHAIRMAN, U.S. SENATE, 
                         FROM MARYLAND

    Chairman Cardin: Let me welcome everyone to this hearing of 
the Helsinki Commission on "Confronting Kremlin and Communist 
Corruption." We have a really distinguished panel, including 
two of our House colleagues that have been champions in regards 
to the anticorruption issues. At the dais, I am joined by 
Senator Wicker and Congressman Wilson, the Senate and House 
leaders on the Republican side on the Helsinki Commission. It 
is my understanding that Congressman Cohen will be joining us 
by WebEx and other members of our--of our Commission.
    In the last few months alone, the fight against corruption 
has advanced more than ever before. This is thanks to the 
efforts of President Biden, who this June declared corruption a 
national security threat, and members who we have testifying 
before us today who have addressed the threat aggressively in 
the House of Representatives. It is also thanks to the efforts 
of corruption fighters like Alexei Navalny and his chief of 
staff, Leonid Volkov, who we will hear from in the second 
panel, and the many corruption fighters and investigative 
journalists around the world who have exposed how corruption 
underpins modern dictatorships.
    Corruption is but--is both what sustained dictatorships and 
helps dictators conduct foreign policy. It is the enemy to 
democracy, corroding our system from within. Today we will 
focus on the Kremlin and Chinese Communist Party, but also all 
strongmen who would be strongmen through corruption. Whereas 
democracy relies on the vote of the people, dictators must pay 
off their cronies to retain power.
    This leads to a patronage-based system of kleptocracy, but 
modern dictatorships are unique: Kleptocracy does not remain 
within national borders. Rather, as the Pandora Papers most 
recently revealed, it travels west. With the help of 
unscrupulous Western enablers, money stolen in countries like 
Russia or the People's Republic of China is laundered to the 
West, where the cronies of autocrats live opulent lifestyles 
even as they steal from their people and deny them basic 
rights. This is the bargain of strongmen. In exchange for 
loyalty, cronies are privileged to steal at home and spend the 
money abroad.
    Indeed, modern dictatorships relies on access to the West. 
This access is a national security threat. It taints our system 
and undermines democracy.
    The reliance of kleptocrats upon our system is also our 
strength. By denying access to kleptocrats and their ill-gotten 
gains, we force them to live in the system they have created. 
We also protect ourselves and provide a measure of justice to 
those denied it.
    We have many tools for this. The Global Magnitsky Act 
public visa ban law enforcement is perhaps the strongest tool 
we have. As we all well know, by creating--by creating even 
more this Congress with no fewer than six counter-kleptocracy 
bills in the House NDAA and negotiations ongoing to place--to 
place these in the Senate NDAA as well, we have a powerful 
signal that we are united in our fight against corruption.
    I want to commend our colleagues who are with us today, 
Representatives Tom Malinowski and Maria Salazar, for their 
bipartisan leadership, innovative, and passion in this fight. 
Your caucus against--fighting corruption and kleptocracy in the 
House has proven itself as a standout with its group of 
members.
    I also wanted to thank you for your leadership in together 
introducing the Combating Global Corruption Act, the sponsor of 
that legislation in the House. This bill would create a 
country-by-country tiered reporting requirement on compliance 
with international anticorruption norms and commitments. We are 
now very close to making this bill law, and I remain optimistic 
it will be included in the House NDAA bill. It is a powerful 
tool, as we have seen in trafficking in humans. When we do 
these ratings, countries respond. They respond because they do 
not want to be shamed and they respond because there is 
consequences if they are not taking the right steps to fight 
corruption.
    We have other bills that are included in the NDAA that we 
have championed: The Global Magnitsky Reauthorization Act that 
Senator Wicker and I have been the champions on the House side, 
also included in the NDAA bill. The Global Magnitsky 
Reauthorization would renew and expand the Global Magnitsky 
sanctions, which have been our primary tool for targeting human 
rights abusers and kleptocracy.
    The CROOK Act--again, sponsored by Senator Wicker and 
myself--would rework U.S. rule-of-law aid to be faster on its 
feet and take advantage of windows of opportunity for reform.
    We have also introduced the Navalny 35 sanctions review, 
which would require the administration to review all of the 
Navalny 35 kleptocrats and human-rights abusers for inclusion 
in the Global Magnitsky list. These are individuals identified 
by Navalny's Anti-Corruption Foundation as those responsible 
for looting of Russia and the current historic repression. I 
want to thank Representative Malinowski for his leadership on 
this initiative in the House.
    At the Summit for Democracy scheduled to take place on 
December 9 and 10, countering corruption is one of the three 
pillars. For me, it is the most important pillar. The report 
ordered by President Biden on what the executive branch will do 
to counter corruption is also due in December. I urge the 
administration to prepare the most ambitious possible agenda on 
countering corruption and announce aggressive actions against 
kleptocrats and their enablers, including sanctions.
    Corruption is corroding democratic systems around the 
world, including our own, but we can fight back. Congress' 
counter-kleptocracy legislative agenda and today's hearings are 
demonstrations of our resolve to end global kleptocracy and to 
cut off all vectors of authoritarian influence.
    At this time, let me yield to my colleagues. Senator 
Wicker.

  STATEMENT OF ROGER F. WICKER, U.S. SENATE, FROM MISSISSIPPI

    Senator Wicker: Well, thank you very much, and I do look 
forward to co-chairman Cohen joining us also. As two former 
House members, Senator Cardin and I are delighted to be 
participating in this hearing with four of our friends and 
fellow Congress members from the House of Representatives.
    Corruption has become a pernicious foreign policy tool in 
the hands of foreign dictators, as Senator Cardin has just 
said. [Phone rings.] Excuse me. As the--you could see what my 
ringtone is.
    The corruption has become--the Chinese Communist Party, the 
Kremlin, and other American adversaries use corruption to 
undermine and coopt our system and those of our democratic 
allies. We need to recognize this national security threat and 
do all we can to curb its influence.
    This effort to coopt our systems is nowhere more evident 
than in Interpol, the international police organization. This 
organization, meant to accomplish the important mission of 
coordinating global law enforcement, has instead been hijacked 
by mafia states and weaponized to pursue political opponents 
and dissidents around the world. The Chinese Communist Party 
and the Kremlin are two of the most prolific abusers of 
Interpol. The TRAP Act, which I have cosponsored, would mandate 
that the United States work with allies to counter this abuse 
as well as to prevent our own law enforcement from becoming 
unwitting henchmen of foreign despots.
    Blocking corrupt officials and their illicit money from our 
system is the most important thing we can do to confront 
corruption. To that end, I am currently co-leading the Global 
Magnitsky Act reauthorization and the Navalny 35 sanctions 
review bills with my friend Senator Cardin. Unfortunately, the 
Treasury Department has been reluctant to use the full force of 
U.S. economic power in the fight against corruption and human 
rights abuse, and this has been true during Democrat and 
Republican administrations. We have not seen any Russia 
Magnitsky sanctions since 2019, and no targeting of oligarchs 
under Global Magnitsky since this administration began. These 
are long-term national security threats that should receive the 
highest priority from U.S. policymakers.
    I want to welcome our distinguished witnesses today, 
Representatives Malinowski and Salazar, two House members who 
have demonstrated strong bipartisanship--as Senator Cardin and 
I have tried to do--in the fight against corrupt dictatorships.
    I also want to welcome our second panel of witnesses: 
Leonid Volkov, Elaine Dezenski, and Scott Greytak. They are--we 
are honored to have--particularly honored to have Mr. Volkov 
with us today. He serves as chief of Staff to Alexei Navalny. 
Mr. Navalny's Anti-Corruption Foundation has shown that 
corruption is not only a strategic tool of dictators, but also 
a vulnerability for those who practice it. Bringing high 
corruption into public view exposes the true nature of these 
despots, and we intend to continue doing that.
    Mr. Chairman, the bipartisanship on display today is 
something the public may not know a lot about, but it is vital 
as we confront this national security threat. I look forward to 
the testimony and the legislation and congressional action that 
it will beget. Thank you, sir.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you, Senator Wicker.
    Congressman Wilson?

STATEMENT OF JOE WILSON, RANKING MEMBER, U.S. HOUSE, FROM SOUTH 
                            CAROLINA

    Representative Wilson: Thank you, Chairman Ben Cardin and 
Senator Roger Wicker, for holding this very critical hearing.
    Corruption has replaced the failed system of communism as 
the uniting force of the world's dictatorships. Nothing better 
reflects the Helsinki Commission's mandate to promote universal 
values than putting our efforts into countering this pernicious 
menace. Corruption sustains the rule of the Chinese Communist 
Party, the Kremlin, the Iranian mullahs, and various socialist 
dictators of Latin America including Maduro of Venezuela, 
Ortega of Nicaragua, and the Castro regime in Cuba. It is not 
an exaggeration to say that corruption is the new communism. 
Like communism, we can only defeat it by leading our democratic 
allies in opposing it, which is what we are doing today in a 
very bipartisan manner.
    Besides the position I have of ranking member of the 
Helsinki Commission in the House, I am also a member of the 
Republican Study Committee's Task Force on Foreign Policy and 
National Security. The RSC has made a major effort to 
prioritize corruption for the national security threat that it 
is. We have supported many of the policies we will discuss 
today and are fully committed to countering the corruption that 
dictators attempt to export into our system. Indeed, my RSC 
colleague Congressman and Chairman Jim Banks and I just 
introduced an initiative to update the truth in testimony 
requirements to require greater transparency from those who may 
be secretly taking CCP or Kremlin money. I urge and encourage 
my colleagues to support this measure. It is a clear, smart, 
bipartisan move.
    All such measures to increase transparency among those 
taking foreign money are critical because dictators today are 
different from dictators of the past. Where in the Cold War we 
were two hermetically sealed systems, capitalism and communism, 
now corruption from dictatorships seeps into our system through 
opaque financial channels and unscrupulous enablers willing to 
accept dictator cash. In so many ways, this is even more 
insidious than the Soviet threat ever was because the enemy is 
already here influencing us from within. We need to block 
corrupt dictators, their cronies from our system, and crack 
down on their blood money, who practice crony capitalism as 
they have seen Soviet socialism fail.
    This is the reason I have joined with my colleagues 
Congressman Malinowski--Tom Malinowski, who is here today, 
Representative Salazar, and Cohen in the introduction of the 
ENABLERS Act. This bill would create basic due diligence 
requirements for lawyers, investment advisors, and other 
professionals who help dictators get their malign money into 
our country. This is the commonsense kind of reform that we 
badly need in the United States to protect ourselves from the 
threat of corruption.
    As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, I am 
also grateful to see no fewer than six counter-kleptocracy 
measures from the Helsinki commissioners and counter-corruption 
caucus members in the House NDAA. I was very pleased to work 
with my Armed Services Helsinki colleague Ruben Gallego to help 
place two of these bills in the NDAA through the committee 
markup a couple of months ago, including the Justice for 
Victims of Kleptocracy Act, which my colleague Tom Malinowski 
here today introduced; and the Foreign Corruption 
Accountability Act, which Representative John Curtis introduced 
along with Congressman Malinowski.
    This strong bipartisan alliance on fighting corruption is a 
demonstration that Congress is still delivering for the 
American people and still standing up for American values. We 
may look polarized from the outside, but as you can see today 
we are working together to fight corruption as we are of one 
mind.
    To protect American families, we must have--we must fight 
corruption. I urge my colleagues to keep building out this 
emerging alliance and move together with the international 
group of democracies to close the door to dictators and their 
corrupt cash. The key reason that democracy did not triumph 
after the end of the Cold War was global corruption, but we can 
stop it now--and with that, stop dictatorship at the source. I 
yield back.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you, Representative Wilson.
    We are joined by the co-leader of the U.S. Helsinki 
Commission, Congressman Cohen, by WebEx.
    Representative Cohen: Am I muted? I am mute.
    Chairman Cardin: You are live.
    Representative Cohen: I am live. Can you hear me?
    Chairman Cardin: We hear you fine, yes.

 STATEMENT OF STEVE COHEN, CO-CHAIR, U.S. HOUSE, FROM TENNESSEE

    Representative Cohen: Great. Thank you. Thank you. I am 
pleased to be here by WebEx. I have had every problem you can 
imagine this morning with--but I am here. I thank you for 
holding this hearing. It is such an important hearing and 
topic, and I thank all the witnesses for being here as well.
    Corruption can be found worsening just about every global 
issue we face, and it is extremely far-reaching. It ranges from 
climate change, COVID response, human rights, individual 
freedoms. It just--it is ubiquitous. Authoritarian regimes 
survive on cronyism and corruption, and they take care of their 
pals, and their pals probably take care of them. Authoritarian 
regimes are rising in Eastern Europe and other places, and they 
are a threat to democracy in other places and certainly a 
threat to the world order.
    Kleptocrats steal from their citizens and hide their wealth 
in places where they know they will be--it will not be taken 
from them, like in the West because the West respects property 
rights and the rule of law. They take advantage of systems that 
they do not have in their own countries to protect the wealth 
they have stolen from others.
    The Helsinki Commission and the counter-kleptocracy caucus, 
of which I am a proud member, is doing its part to fight 
corruption. Four of the seven bills included in the omnibus 
Counter-Kleptocracy Act, which we put in, passed the House as 
part of the annual defense bill, including the TRAP Act to 
fight Interpol abuse, which I sponsored. This was achieved 
through an amendment which I introduced. It included the TRAP 
Act, the Combating Global Corruption Act, and an amendment to 
Helsinki Ranking Member--put in by Representative Joe Wilson, 
who we worked together with on this well. I appreciate 
Congressman Wilson's efforts here, as he is expressed himself.
    While it is important we hold kleptocrats accountable and 
disable their networks, the problem of global kleptocracy will 
not be solved until we act against the professionals who enable 
it. These include lawyers, lobbyists, accountants, real estate 
professional[s], consultants, and others who keep--help 
kleptocrats launder their money and reputations in the U.S. and 
other Western countries--lobbyists, real estate professionals, 
accountants with good names who you think of, oh, those are 
nice folks and quality people. Well, sometimes they are not 
because they work with these folks to poison the system, and in 
essence they are agents of the corruption themselves. They do 
not have to do due diligence on their clients' funds because 
that is not a duty. Only banks are required to do due 
diligence, while all of the gatekeeper professions, some of 
which I mentioned, can and do accept dirty money, help people 
with their dirty money, and put it with impunity. This is out 
of step with American values and our international obligations 
under the Finance [sic; Financial] Action Task Force.
    If we are going to get serious about cleaning up 
corruption, it is not enough just to target the kleptocrats. We 
must also clean up our act at home, reinforce our own financial 
defenses against this national security threat--defenses we 
have--[inaudible, technical difficulties]--for decades because 
dirty money's poured in.
    I thank our witnesses, who are outstanding, for being here 
with us today. They have all done extensive work to fight the 
threat of corruption. We look forward to what you can help us 
do with your advice. We look forward to it.
    Particularly pleased there are two representatives from the 
House here. I believe Representatives Malinowski and Salazar, 
who have worked with us on the floor, have strong support also 
of the Helsinki Commission and our missions.
    I am pleased to welcome our other witnesses, in particular 
Mr. Volkov, who is the chief of staff to Alexei Navalny, a hero 
of the world for his standing up to Putin and the authoritarian 
regime there and returning to Russia--his home--after he had 
been poisoned, and now he is in prison in what is, in my 
opinion, an unlawful step. It may be within the laws of Russia, 
but it was obviously done to keep him quiet and to try to 
stifle competition to Putin and stifle his party. He is bravely 
stood up. He is somebody we have to admire and he is in a 
terrible condition. I look forward to Mr. Volkov telling us 
about Mr. Navalny's health, views on this topic, as well to the 
future of our--of his organization, the Anti-Corruption 
Foundation.
    Only when it is unthinkable for an American to accept dirty 
money from abroad will we have accomplished our goal, and we 
need to do that. I yield back the balance of my time.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you, Congressman Cohen. Appreciate 
that very much.
    We are also joined by Representative Veasey from Texas, who 
is a member of the Commission, and Representative Fitzpatrick 
from Pennsylvania, a member of the Commission.
    We are now going to hear from the--our colleagues from the 
House, the founding members of the Caucus Against Foreign 
Corruption and Kleptocracy, Congresswoman Salazar and 
Congressman Malinowski.
    Tom Malinowski is the Congressman from New Jersey's Seventh 
District. He served as a senior director on President Clinton's 
National Security Council, the chief advocate for Human Rights 
Watch, and in the Obama administration as assistant secretary 
of State for democracy, human rights, and labor. He has been 
deeply involved in the human rights agenda his entire life.
    We are also pleased to have Representative Salazar with us 
from Florida's 27 District. She serves on the House Committee 
on Foreign Affairs as well as the Committee on Small Business. 
She is well known for advocacy for human rights and democracy 
around the world, especially for the people of Cuba, Venezuela, 
Bolivia, and Nicaragua.
    We will start off with Representative Malinowski.

  TESTIMONY OF TOM MALINOWSKI, CO-CHAIR, CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS 
           AGAINST FOREIGN CORRUPTION AND KLEPTOCRACY

    Mr. Malinowski: Thank you so much, Senator Cardin, Senator 
Wicker, Congressman Cohen, Congressman Wilson, members, 
commissioners. It is my honor to be here with you to talk about 
this incredibly important issue, and I--and I want to really 
thank the Helsinki Commission for leading this fight over the 
last several years, for your persistence in exposing how 
corruption and kleptocracy threaten America's national security 
interests.
    I very strongly believe that the defining contest today--
the contest that will determine above all how our children and 
grandchildren live in the years to come--is the contest between 
democracy and dictatorship, between democracy and kleptocracy. 
There is not a week that goes by when I do not read an article 
somewhere that argues that the bad guys are winning that fight. 
There is a lot of bad news around the world today for champions 
of democracy. We see the evisceration of freedom and the rule 
of law in Hong Kong at the hands of the Chinese Communist 
Party. We see Russia under Putin snuffing out the last vestiges 
of dissent and opposition. We see what has happened in 
Venezuela and Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Iran, country after 
country.
    You know that I have spent much of my career arguing on the 
side of democracies in that contest as a diplomat, as a human 
rights activist. I want to tell you that there is one central 
lesson that I have learned in my engagement in this fight, and 
that is that corruption is the key. Fighting corruption is the 
key to winning this contest for reasons that many of you have 
mentioned.
    No. 1, corruption is the thing that sustains and empowers 
dictators. It is what keeps them in power. Dictators use the 
money they steal to pay off their supporters, to pay off police 
and security forces, to take over legitimate businesses.
    As Senator Wicker rightly said, corruption is also their 
biggest vulnerability. Corruption is the one crime that 
embarrasses Putin. It is the one crime that embarrasses Xi 
Jinping. When we complain about their human rights abuses--when 
we accuse them of locking up dissidents, shutting down 
newspapers--they are not as embarrassed as they should be. 
Sometimes they can rally public opinion in their countries 
against the United States and other countries interfering in 
their internal affairs. When we catch them stealing from their 
people, and particularly when we catch them stealing from their 
people and putting the money they steal in our banks, in our 
real eState, in a villa in the Riviera or a fancy home in 
London or a shell company in the United States, that is what 
truly embarrasses them.
    There is a reason why Alexei Navalny is enemy number one in 
Russia. Yes, he talks about human rights. Yes, he wants free 
elections in Russia, as we all do. The main reason he is enemy 
number one, the main reason Putin tried to kill him, is because 
he exposed Putin's corruption. He exposed the huge amounts of 
money that Putin and his cronies have stolen and used to 
purchase palaces and luxuries for themselves, the huge amounts 
that have been taken out of Russia and stashed overseas, 
something like half of Russia's national wealth stashed 
overseas by these corrupt kleptocrats who support Vladimir 
Putin.
    We as a country have very potent tools to go after 
corruption. We have laws that enable us to prosecute 
kleptocracy around the world. We have sanctions thanks to the 
Global Magnitsky Act that allow us to directly hold accountable 
and expose those who engage in this kind of conduct.
    I think the challenge before us to further strengthen those 
tools and to ensure that the administration, whichever 
administration may be in office at any given time, is using 
those tools in the most effective possible way. I think that is 
what we need to be focused on above all right now.
    Senator Cardin, you and others mentioned that there are a 
number of provisions that are before us as we consider the 
NDAA, the defense bill. This is incredibly important. It is 
very easy for us as members of Congress to go to a hearing and 
to give a speech. It is very easy for us to cosponsor a piece 
of legislation. It is very easy for us to issue a statement. 
Where the rubber hits the road is when we can actually pass 
legislation that does something real. The NDAA, as we all know, 
is one of the best opportunities we have all year to do that, 
because this is a piece of legislation that always moves.
    We have several bills that made it into the House version 
of the NDAA, that a number of commissioners have already 
mentioned. It is important to stress, each of these bills is 
bipartisan. Congressman Salazar and I, and our colleagues in 
the House, have made a point of doing all of this in a 
bipartisan way. Whether it is the Combatting Global Corruption 
Act that Senator Cardin has championed, the bill regarding 
Interpol, the CROOK Act, the Global Magnitsky Reauthorization 
Act, the Justice for Victims of Kleptocracy Act, or the Navalny 
35 bill.
    Which is I think particularly important in that int will 
require the Biden administration to do what it has 
unfortunately not yet done, and that is to seriously evaluate 
whether the Magnitsky corruption prong can and should be used 
with respect to the people who are responsible for the 
corruption Navalny exposed, responsible for the attempt to kill 
him, and now his imprisonment has a hostage of Putin in Russia, 
whether they should be and can be held accountable under our 
laws.
    I am, first of all, here to appeal to senators both sides 
of the aisle to use your voice in the coming days to ensure 
that all of these provisions end up in the Senate version of 
the bill, or at the very lease are accepted by the conference 
that we are apparently going to have. Then, second, a number of 
commissioners have mentioned the incredibly important 
bipartisan legislation that we have introduced, Congresswoman 
Salazar and I, the ENABLERS Act, which is designed to close a 
loophole in our laws that has enabled foreign kleptocrats to 
continue to use the United States as a safe haven for their 
money. It is incredibly important.
    You need a rule of law state to be able to break the law in 
a country like Russia. You need a safe place to stash your 
loot. Unfortunately, America remains a safe place for too many 
people. Our banks have due diligence requirements that force 
them to ask, where is this pile of cash that you want to 
deposit derived from? If you are a real estate company, an 
accounting firm, a trust company, an art dealer, you do not 
have to ask those basic questions. That is a loophole that has 
been exploited by bad guys from all over the world.
    Just as we passed the Corporate Transparency Act last year 
that President Trump signed into law, I think our next big 
thing, after the NDAA, will be to come together in a bipartisan 
way to pass the ENABLERS Act. I am sure you are going to hear 
more today from other witnesses about that. With that, it is an 
incredibly important cause. We have immediate work to do. I am 
grateful to all of you--Democrats, Republicans, on a bipartisan 
basis--for coming together with us to get it done. Thank you.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you, Congressman Malinowski.
    Representative Salazar

TESTIMONY OF MARIA ELVIRA SALAZAR, MEMBER, CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS 
           AGAINST FOREIGN CORRUPTION AND KLEPTOCRACY

    Ms. Salazar: Thank you Senator Cardin, and Congressman 
Cohen, and the Helsinki Commissioners, and thanks for inviting 
me to testify at this critical hearing. I agree with my 
colleague wholeheartedly, corruption is a monumental threat to 
freedom and human rights. Many of today's dictators rule 
through corruption. I call them, and we have mentioned this 
word, kleptocrats--a fancy word for those who steal from their 
national treasury to enrich themselves. As you know, they 
plunder, they exploit, they rob their people with no mercy. In 
the process, they destroy the rule of law and use that stolen 
blood money to finance marketing campaigns that portray them as 
the saviors or redeemers of their country.
    I know it very well--Putin Russia, Ortega in Nicaragua, 
Maduro in Venezuela, and Castro in Cuba. For me, this is a 
personal tragedy. I have seen this devastation brought by 
kleptocrats to my most intimate surroundings. As you know, I am 
the daughter of political refugees who fled the Castro regime 
with the clothes on their back and $5 in their pocket. In 1960, 
Fidel Castro turned Cuba, an island with the same per-capita 
income as Italy, into a fourth-world Satanic nightmare that 
lasts until today.
    As a foreign correspondent for the United State Spanish 
television, I reported and interviewed Chavez and Maduro. Those 
two thugs, in only 20 years, have turned the richest country in 
South America into a state where the average Venezuelan weighs 
15 pounds less today because of lack of food. Venezuela 
inherited oil, but it also had Hugo Chavez. Chavez implemented 
his 21st century democratic socialism and promised the end 
political corruption. Instead, he created another class of even 
more corrupt useful fools, as I call them, called Los 
Enchufados, the plugged ones. Another perfect example is Alex 
Saab who stole millions and millions from an organization that 
was supposed to distribute food to people's houses in the most 
underprivileged barrios or neighborhoods in Venezuela.
    Meanwhile, Daniel Ortega from Nicaragua. He jailed my ex-
husband, Arturo Cruz, who just running for president was his 
only sin. He was one of the presidential candidates in this 
last election. Arturo Cruz is currently in a military jail 
called Chipote. Ortega just stole another presidential 
election. Along with fixing elections, Ortega--his family and 
his friends--took in $29 million in 2019 alone. There is 
nothing these thugs fear more than a free election, because 
they are in the business of power. They are not in the business 
of taking care of their own people.
    As you said, these are not far away problems for the United 
States. Corrupt money flooding our country also destroys 
American lives. The perfect example is the city of Miami, the 
city that I represent in Congress. Miami was a hotbed for 
laundering drug money in the 1980s. This brought violence that 
spilled into the streets and harmed innocent bystanders. On top 
of that we have got a very bad reputation, with movies like 
Scarface and the television series Miami Vice. That is what 
kleptocrats do to our city.
    That is why I am committed to fighting corruption, a fight 
that could not be more quintessential American--
quintessentially American. We have already made enormous 
progress this Congress. I am proud be a founding member of the 
bipartisan congressional Caucus Against Foreign Corruption and 
Kleptocracy. We are striking at three pillars of the counter--
of counter-kleptocracy. We are keeping dirty money out of the 
United States, we are creating tools to dismantle these corrupt 
networks, and we are helping freedom fighters to build free 
societies abroad.
    I am honored to testify and to work alongside my colleague, 
Tom Malinowski. Together we led several bills to fight 
dictatorship, as he just explained to you. We introduced the 
House version of Chairman Ben Cardin's bill, called the 
Combating Global Corruption Act. This would create an open 
reporting system for all countries, based on their compliance 
with anticorruption norms and standards created by the United 
States.
    In the wake of the Pandora Papers investigation, 
Congressman Malinowski and I also introduced the ENABLERS Act. 
This bill would require the private sector to question those 
professional enablers who help dictators to bring money into 
the United States, to inform the federal government the source 
of that suspicious money. Business with our country is a 
privilege, is not a right. Their family members should not be 
allowed to travel, dine, and lavishly spend stolen money on our 
restaurants or our shopping malls. In other words, no more Saks 
or Broadway.
    By working together, Congress and this administration can 
block these murderous thugs from coming into our country. 
Thanks to you, to the efforts of the Helsinki Commission, we 
have recognized the existential nature of this threat, and we 
are responding with force. Thank you again for the opportunity 
to testify today in front of you, and I look forward to 
continue efforts to curb corruption and end brutal 
dictatorship, and work across the aisle with members of 
Congress.
    Chairman Cardin: Well, let me thank both of our colleagues 
for your passion on this issue, your leadership on this issue, 
and effectiveness in getting action in the House, particularly 
in the National Defense Authorization Act. As of last night, 
the two bills, including Combatting Global Corruption Act and 
the Global Magnitsky Act, both had cleared the relevant 
committees. There were no objections raised by the Senate 
Foreign Relations Committee or the Banking Committee, and are 
included in an amendment for the NDAA.
    Now, that does not mean we are going to get to the finish 
line, because in the Senate we have individual member 
objections that can cause us a delay in getting some issues 
resolved. It does mean that we are going to get to the finish 
line on those bills. That I hope it is in our version of the 
NDAA bill. If it is not, we will make it clear that we will 
accept that in conference. I am optimistic that we are going to 
get those to the finish line.
    The other bills you mentioned, we are going to work on to 
get them done. The other bills that we have followed we are 
going to try to vehicles to move it. All of our legislation is 
bipartisan, and your testimony here today underscores the fact 
that we have strong bipartisan interest in recognizing the 
national security threat of corruption, and we know it is the 
fuel for corrupt leaders.
    Thank you both for being with us today, and we are going to 
move onto the second panel, but we thank you all for your 
contributions to this hearing.
    [Break.]
    Chairman Cardin: We will now turn to our second panel of 
witnesses. We have Leonid Volkov, who is the chief of staff and 
political director for the Alexei Navalny team. Leonid was 
campaign manager for Alexei Navalny's 2013 mayoral campaign for 
Moscow, as well as the Navalny attempt to get registered for 
the 2018 presidential elections. Since 2018, he has been in 
charge of the smart voting, a tactical voting campaign that 
successfully managed to defeat hundreds of members of Putin's 
party, United Russia, in regional elections.
    We have Scott Greytak, who is the director of advocacy for 
the U.S. Office of Transparency International, where he manages 
the office's legislative agenda and oversees its anticorruption 
legislation lab. He is a well-known anticorruption attorney. 
Then we have Elaine Dezenski, who is board of advisors of the 
Center for Economics and Financial Power at the Foundation for 
Defense of Democracy. She is an internationally recognized 
expert and thought leader in security policy, with special 
expertise in anticorruption, security, and risk management.
    We have three real experts in the challenges that we have 
on corruption. We look forward to your testimony. Your entire 
testimony will be made part of our record, without objection. 
You may proceed as you wish. We will start with Mr. Volkov.

  TESTIMONY OF LEONID VOLKOV, CHIEF OF STAFF TO ALEXEI NAVALNY

    Mr. Volkov: Dear Mr. Chairman, dear members of the 
Commission, for me it is not only a big honor to take the floor 
here today, to be invited, but also great pleasure to be among 
like-minded people, in a room where everyone can agree that one 
of the biggest threats to the world now is corruption--global 
corruption, to be more specific. Which is a rather new 
phenomenon made possible by globalization of financial markets, 
modern technology provides better connectivity. The world has 
become small, which provides great new opportunities for 
expats, digital nomads, travelers, businessmen, but also for 
kleptocrats.
    President Biden will soon be hosting the first global 
summit for democracy. According to its official website, there 
are three main topics to be addressed during this summit--
defending against authoritarianism, addressing and fighting 
corruption, and advancing respect for human rights. Our 
experience in Russia teaches us that these are not three 
different topics, but actually one. The opportunity to steal 
money uncontrollably is the key motivation for very many 
leaders to convert their rule, even after they have been 
elected democratically, into an authoritarian one, and to 
demolish human rights and basic democratic institutions is just 
their way to protect their stolen assets.
    A corrupt government has no choice but to silence the 
independent press, because they cannot allow their crimes to be 
investigated. A corrupt government has no choice but to rig 
elections, because they cannot allow themselves to become 
outvoted. A corrupt government has no choice but to destroy 
independent courts, because they cannot allow themselves to be 
challenged in court with an unpredictable outcome. In order to 
be able to censor the press, rig the elections deprive the 
judiciary from any independency, they have to become 
authoritarian. That is the very sad path that Russia has taken 
during the last 22 years under Vladimir Putin, a path very well 
documented by the Anti-Corruption Foundation, an experience we 
believe is worth sharing with other countries.
    Let me make just a few observations based on this 
experience that the Anti-Corruption Foundation, created by 
Alexei Navalny, as obtained in Russia over the past 10 years. 
During this decade, we have investigated hundreds of cases of 
corruption among the country's top government officials, 
including the Foreign Minister Lavrov, the then-Prime Minister 
Medvedev, and President Putin himself, of course. Our 
investigations feature palaces, private jets, yachts, jewelry, 
and other luxury items with the total worth of billions of 
dollars, stolen from Russian taxpayers. Even more importantly, 
the allowed us to reveal several very significant patterns that 
repeat themselves in the course of action of every corrupt 
government official, be it a government minister or a mayor of 
a small town with dilapidated roads and public schools.
    Here is most important takeaway, based on our experience: 
Every successful kleptocrats operates not in one but at least 
in two countries. Their home country, where the absence of rule 
of law makes it possible for them to enrich themselves 
enormously, and the other country, where they would transfer 
and preserve their assets. No kleptocrat engages in corruption 
for the purpose of swimming in gold coins, like some cartoon 
character. On the contrary, they aim to create sizable assets 
which they would be able to pass to their children. They, the 
kleptocrats, know better than anyone else that it is impossible 
in their home countries for the exact reason that they are able 
to steal so much there. There is no rule of law. There is no 
protection for their wealth. They need to enjoy the rule of law 
in democratic countries to protect their assets.
    This makes corruption a global phenomenon, and this also 
makes it possible to fight against corruption on both fronts. 
We know too good what it takes to fight corruption in a country 
where there is no rule of law. My friend, Alexei Navalny, 
carried on this fight for many years. He got poisoned by 
novichok, he got imprisoned, and he got tortured. He continues 
to pay an enormous cost for his fight against corruption in 
Russia. Luckily, on the demand side, in a country driven by the 
rule of law, the fight against corruption does not require 
enormous risk. It could be done through legislation. It could 
be done through law enforcement, and through public opinion.
    That is why I am here now, on behalf of Alexei Navalny and 
the entire team of the Anti-Corruption Foundation. I am here to 
endorse in all possible terms the activities of the Counter-
Kleptocracy Caucus and of the Helsinki Commission against 
kleptocracy. We endorse the Foreign Corruption Accountability 
Act, the Justice for Victims of Kleptocracy Act, the TRAP Act, 
the Combating Global Corruption Act, and reauthorization of 
Global Magnitsky. Of course, last but not least, the act that 
would require the Biden administration to determine whether the 
35 kleptocrats and government officials named by Alexei Navalny 
meet the criteria for sanctioning under the Global Magnitsky 
Human Rights Accountability Act. Believe me, all of them meet.
    Let us fight this fight together. We are doing whatever we 
can in Russia. A lot of things to fight global corruption could 
be done here using legislative tools first of all. I want to 
assure you that President Putin will hate these bills. This is 
something that makes them so good. Thank you so much.
    Chairman Cardin: Well, thank you very much for your 
testimony. We really appreciate your courage on these issues.
    Mr. Greytak

  TESTIMONY OF SCOTT GREYTAK, ADVOCACY DIRECTOR, TRANSPARENCY 
                   INTERNATIONAL U.S. OFFICE

    Mr. Greytak: Chairman Cardin, Co-Chairman Cohen, Ranking 
Member Wicker, Ranking Member Wilson, and members of the 
Commission: Thank you for holding this important and very 
timely hearing today, and for inviting Transparency 
International and me to talk to you about four actions that 
Congress can take right now to destabilize foreign corruption 
and kleptocracy.
    As illustrated be Leonid and as Elaine will talk about, 
corruption is the lifeblood of authoritarian governments. At 
the same time, it is the inadequacy of our own laws here at 
home that compounds these problems. Just last month the Pandora 
Papers revealed to a global audience yet again how the United 
States continues to serve as a leading secrecy jurisdiction for 
stashing offshore funds and plays host to professional enablers 
who help the world's elite move, hide, and grow their money. 
Congress can act by passing a series of bills to disrupt 
foreign corruption and kleptocracy, both as their practiced 
abroad but especially as they are enabled here at home.
    First and foremost, Congress can make sure that the six 
anticorruption bills that were already included in the House's 
version of the NDAA are also included in the final NDAA. These 
bills are the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability 
Reauthorization Act, the Combatting Global Corruption Act, the 
Navalny 35 measure, the Foreign Corruption Accountability Act, 
the TRAP Act, and the Justice for Victims of Kleptocracy Act. 
Collectively these bills would enhance the U.S. ability to deny 
kleptocrats access to our country and to our financial system, 
they would increase transparency, they would encourage 
cooperative efforts among the United States and its allies, and 
they would provide actionable information to the victims of 
kleptocracy.
    Second, congress can ensure that the Treasury Department 
issues a strong rule when it is implementing the Corporate 
Transparency Act. In January, Congress made a historic 
milestone by passing this act, and effectively abolishing 
anonymous shell companies. In doing so, it explicitly 
recognized how malign actors seek to conceal their ownership in 
order to carry out acts of foreign corruption. Right now, the 
Treasury Department the FinCEN are drafting that rule. Congress 
can ensure that they meet the intent of that law and deliver 
robust, comprehensive, and highly effective rules that ensure 
that corporations, LLCs, and all other similar entities are no 
longer able to serve as the getaway cars for corruption.
    Third, Congress can pass the Foreign Extortion Prevention 
Act, or FEPA. Nowadays more and more American workers and 
American companies are having to do business overseas, often in 
highly corrupt environments. They are being targeted 
specifically by corrupt officials there for bribes. Dozens of 
other countries across the world have responded to this dynamic 
by criminalizing bribe demands by foreign officials. The United 
States should follow suit, protect its workers and its 
companies, by passing FEPA, a bipartisan act that is already 
supported by an enormous political tent, including the U.S. 
Chamber of Commerce and Greenpeace USA.
    Finally, Congress can crack down on American enablers by 
requiring key professional service providers here in the United 
States to perform full due diligence on their prospective 
clients. The Pandora Papers revealed how an advisor to the 
former prime minister of Malaysia was able to use an American 
law firm in order to set up a network of companies, despite 
that advisor fitting the textbook definition of a high-risk 
client. The advisor went on to use those companies to steal 
over four and one half billion from the public investment fund 
of Malaysia. There are too many stories like this. Congress 
must end American complicity in foreign corruption. One 
compelling approach to do so is the bipartisan ENABLERS Act.
    Writ large, strong action from Congress on these issues 
would be met by a growing and engaged civil society community 
that is more committed than ever to eradicating kleptocracy and 
corruption across the world. We have already seen productive, 
fruitful partnerships between government and civil society. 
Just this past June, this Commission helped bring together 
members from across the aisle, informing the Caucus Against 
Foreign Corruption and Kleptocracy, which has served as the 
launching pad for nearly every significant global 
anticorruption and counter-kleptocracy measure before this 
Congress, and with which we have been fortunately able to work 
very closely.
    In the words of the administration's National Security 
Study Memorandum designating the fight against corruption as a 
core national security interest, fighting corruption allows the 
United States to secure a critical advantage and is essential 
to the preservation of our democracy. I look forward to 
discussing these and other opportunities for Congress to turn 
those words into action. Thank you.
    Chairman Cardin: Well, thank you for your testimony, and 
specifically your recommendations are very helpful.
    Ms. Dezenski, glad to hear from you.

    TESTIMONY OF ELAINE DEZENSKI, SENIOR ADVISOR, CENTER ON 
    ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL POWER, FOUNDATION FOR DEFENSE OF 
                          DEMOCRACIES

    Ms. Dezenski: I am not sure if the microphone is on. Can 
you hear me?
    Chairman Cardin: You are on.
    Ms. Dezenski: Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Chairman 
Cardin, Co-Chairman Cohen, members of the Helsinki Commission, 
thank you so much for the opportunity to be part of today's 
discussion.
    Over the next few minutes, I would like to share some 
observations on the growing challenges of foreign corruption 
and China. To be sure, there are many ways that we can observe 
the problem of corruption in the context of China. Perhaps the 
best lens that we can use is to examine China's Belt and Road 
Initiative. In less than a decade, the BRI has changed the 
contours of global development, but in ways that are 
threatening to democracy and democratic norms. Endemic 
corruption, high levels of debt, and long-term dependences in 
Beijing are eroding good governance and contributing to China's 
growing political and economic influence. It is time for the 
U.S. to address these challenges and offer a better model.
    Today, the U.S. faces growing aggression from 
authoritarians who seek to erode our open, rules-based system 
in favor of closed, opaque, highly centralized regimes. Chief 
among these threats is China. To build deeper support for its 
governance model, the Chinese Communist Party is seeking to 
rewrite the rules of engagement with many, if not most, 
developing nations--those that are most in need of vital 
infrastructure investment. The primary vehicle to achieving 
this reframing is the Belt and Road Initiative.
    Launched in 2013, the BRI is much more than an 
infrastructure program. It has been more accurately described 
as a geopolitical enterprise, and how China seeks to redefine 
its engagement with more than 140 countries. That is, most 
countries in the world. It gives us a unique view into how 
China is building global influence, and how corruption has 
become a key mechanism to support this, because where the BRI 
goes, corruption follows.
    It is true that corruption may proliferate more easily in 
countries that already suffer from weak governance and high 
levels of corruption. In fact, the vast majority of countries 
within the BRI fall below the median levels of control of 
corruption, according to recent World Bank indicators. But this 
does not adequately explain why corruption is so prevalent in 
the BRI. Rather, it is the CCP's formal policy of non-
interference with BRI recipient governments that sets the stage 
for corruption on a much larger scale.
    The BRI is designed to undercut quality development because 
it eschews the normal safeguards that typically accompany 
infrastructure investments. These safeguards, also referred to 
as conditionality or Western conditionality, include 
anticorruption standards, transparent bidding and procurement 
processes, environmental standards, labor standards, and other 
good governance practices. The BRI could, in theory, help close 
the global infrastructure gap, but it is heading in a different 
direction--principally as a tool of China's aggressive global 
expansion, long-term dependencies on Beijing, fueled by 
corruption, spiraling debt, and made worse by the impact of 
COVID.
    Detailed case studies of BRI projects in Malaysia and 
Kenya, as noted in my testimony, demonstrate the consequences 
of China's failures to engage in open and transparent conduct. 
Corruption has been reported in countries from Ecuador to the 
Maldives, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Belarus, Mozambique, 
Vietnam--the list goes on. New data tracking BRI investments 
and other Chinese investments is telling. Thirty-five percent 
of BRI projects have struggled with challenges related to 
corruption, labor violations, environmental pollution, and 
other governance issues, while only 21 percent of China's non-
BRI infrastructure projects have encountered these same issues.
    Since 2013, China has steadily shifted the majority of its 
financial support away from loans to sovereigns, instead 
favoring loans to foreign state-owned companies, state-owned 
banks, special purpose vehicles, joint ventures, and private 
sector entities within recipient countries. Shifting away from 
loans tied directly to governments allows those liabilities to 
be treated as off the books, raising concerns that recipient 
countries are underreporting their total debt to China. More 
than 40 countries now have levels of public debt exposure to 
China in excess of 10 percent of their GDP.
    China has acknowledged that the BRI is facing governance 
and corruption risks. Xi Jinping called for launch a Clean BRI, 
or Silk Road of Integrity. This vision of a Clean BRI is, at 
most, lip service to transparency and anticorruption norms. 
There is very little to suggest China is committed to any of 
it. It is doubtful that Beijing, or many of its partners, truly 
want a BRI free of corruption. Why? Because this would change 
the operating model, to the detriment of China's political 
ambitions.
    It also offers an opening for the United States and its 
partners to put forward a different model. What is the path 
forward for the U.S.? Recipient governments are increasingly 
waking up to the risks of China's model, and a window exists to 
work with governments seeking alternatives. I would like to 
highlight just a couple of the recommendations from my written 
testimony.
    First and foremost, of course, we need to fully support the 
counter-kleptocracy legislation moving forward within the NDAA. 
This is a comprehensive set of measures put forward to combat 
foreign corruption by closing our loopholes--money laundering, 
immigration loopholes, enforcement loopholes, all of which can 
limit the ability of kleptocrats to use our systems to their 
advantage.
    Second, we need to double down on investment strategies 
that offer clean alternatives to the BRI. The U.S. is now 
engaging with allies through initiatives such as the Build Back 
Better initiative, launched under the G-7, the Blue Dot Network 
together with Japan and Australia. These efforts should be 
fully supported and expanded to include more partner nations 
and to include increased funding not only from the public 
sector, but from the private investors, the institutional 
investors who really hold the key to closing the global 
infrastructure gap.
    Third, we need to increase our efforts to educate citizens 
and support the great work of civil society and journalists who 
report on corruption risks. We need to declare war on 
combatting the misinformation and disinformation campaigns that 
shroud the corrupt practices of China and other regimes across 
developing economies. Authoritarian gaslighting obfuscates the 
actions, objectives, and outcomes of opaque deals. It is time 
to call out this behavior.
    Fourth, let us pivot our critical supply chains out of 
China and towards allied countries. COVID-19 has laid bare that 
any dependencies on regimes like China put us at risk when 
global shocks affect our critical supply chains. Ally-shoring, 
relying on our democratic partners, could reduce dependencies 
on China for critical materials and supplies and helping bring 
production, jobs, and long-term economic security closer to 
home. Ally-shoring can help revitalize and extend our networks 
of partners and allies, further reinforcing democratic norms 
and anticorruption standards, providing an economic backstop to 
the corrosive effects of the authoritarians.
    Finally, we should support BRI countries in impartial 
adjudication of corruption disputes, including disputes over 
stolen asset recovery, and provide technical support to help 
understand and mitigate risks of doing business with China. In 
that context, we should also explore the establishment of an 
international anticorruption tribunal that would hold 
kleptocrats accountable.
    Finally, we need to take special care as we move forward 
with our own massive infrastructure investments in this 
country, ensuring that hidden CCP interests sometimes disguised 
as private-sector companies are in no way siphoning our hard-
earned tax dollars into their corrupt coffers. The CRRC--
China's manufacturer of rolling stock--is now producing in the 
U.S. for two mass-transit systems. It offers us a view into how 
states and localities may be at risk of CCP influence, so we 
need to be very mindful of it.
    Renewed public trust will be the dividend of these efforts. 
The United States should seize this opportunity now to offer a 
better way forward. Thank you very much.
    Chairman Cardin: Well, thank you very much for your 
testimony. Also, we believe in the National Defense 
Authorization Act on the Senate side will be our 
competitiveness bill that deals with many of the issues that 
you were referring to on supply chain with China. It is a--we 
hope that we will have an opportunity to get that also to the 
finish line, many of the points that you--that you raise.
    We will start questioning with Congressman Cohen, who is by 
WebEx.
    Representative Cohen: I think I am with you. Thank you, Mr. 
Chair.
    Mr. Volkov, I want to start with you, and first I want to 
know, how is Mr. Navalny's health?
    Mr. Volkov: Thank you, Congressman Cohen, for your 
question. Well, we are now in the situation when, like, the 
absence of bad news is the only good news we have. Mr. Navalny 
is imprisoned unlawfully. His health is currently stable, but 
of course it could happen any moment that the situation will 
start to deteriorate again. It is very important that 
international attention is paid to his situation because we do 
not have to forget he is in custody of that very people who 
tried to kill him one year ago. Like, if he gets forgotten, 
then they will definitely try again. The situation is 
dangerous.
    We have learned recently from a media report published by 
the only remaining Russian independent TV station, TV Rain, 
that they actually created a solitary confinement situation for 
him without putting him in solitary confinement. He is in a 
barrack with, like, 20 other inmates who are not allowed to 
talk to him, to communicate to him, even to wave to him. There 
is actually a lot of, like, psychological torture applied. 
However, his spirit remains high, and that is the most 
important thing.
    Representative Cohen: Well, thank you. Public attention and 
notice on his circumstance is important to his success and his 
survival, is that correct?
    Mr. Volkov: Yes, very much so.
    Representative Cohen: You have moved out of Russia, is that 
correct?
    Mr. Volkov: We operate from abroad after our organization 
has been outlawed. We have been designated as an extremist 
organization, something like al-Qaida. Yes, we had to move our 
operations abroad just to protect our employees. Otherwise, it 
would be too dangerous for them to stay inside the country.
    Representative Cohen: How has this affected your health and 
your employees health and your work?
    Mr. Volkov: We are very determined to make President Putin 
regret that he has pushed us out of the country. Of course, 
while many opportunities are now lost--we had to close our, 
like, physical offices inside Russia, so it is not so easy for 
us to communicate to our supporters in the country as we used 
to. Also, operating from abroad yields us many new 
opportunities that we try to use.
    Just to give an idea, we have tripled the amount of the 
content that we are producing--so video investigations and 
other type of content--operating from abroad, because in Moscow 
we were always, like, bootstrapping because, like, every second 
month someone from law enforcement would come with a search 
warrant and just seize all our equipment, pretending this to 
be, like, material evidence for yet another criminal case. Now, 
when such a risk does not exist anymore, our hands are untied, 
and we can operate on a broader scale.
    Representative Cohen: You have seen, I presume, the list of 
35 folks who have been recommended for sanctioning. The Anti-
Corruption Foundation--your group--has recommended 35 
kleptocrats to be sanctioned. Then Senator Cardin and Wicker 
and Representatives Malinowski and Curtis introduced a measure 
that would require the administration to undertake sanctions 
review of those 35 names. Are there other people that you 
believe should be included beyond those 35?
    Mr. Volkov: Yes. Yes, there are quite a few. Well, let us 
take the first step and then we will come up with more 
suggestions.
    Representative Cohen: Okay. Russian oligarchs largely hold 
their money and live their lives in the West, as I understand 
it. A lot of them apparently bought property in New York in a 
certain individual's properties, we understand. Where, in your 
opinion, does the dirty money of Russian oligarchs--first, 
where does it originate? How do they get it? Then once they get 
it, who do they use in the United States--lawyers, accountants, 
et cetera--to help them keep it? Where are the destinations for 
those stolen, purloined funds?
    Mr. Volkov: Yes. Indeed, kleptocrats are very smart in 
abusing, like, legal system of the Western countries where 
there is rule of law and where they can protect their assets. 
In this regard, I do very much endorse the ENABLERS Act, which 
would make it much more challenging for the kleptocrats to 
engage with Western enablers of corruption.
    In Europe, the main destination of the assets stolen from 
Russian taxpayers is definitely London. We believe very much in 
the possible--hopefully possible--U.S.-U.K. cooperation on 
sanctioning the Russian oligarchs. This would be more 
efficient.
    Well, as you know, like, European Union is very complex. 
Twenty-seven countries needs to agree upon everything with 
every country able to execute a veto right. Like, luckily, 
London remains the main destination for Russian taxpayers' 
money, and U.S.-U.K. cooperating on the sanction list, on 
Global Magnitsky, on other measures such as ENABLERS Act would, 
I believe, be the most efficient way to proceed.
    Representative Cohen: In the United States I guess New York 
and Palm Beach or that area in the Florida Gold Coast, as they 
call it?
    Mr. Volkov: In the U.S., yes, there are a few locations--
New York, Florida, Miami--that--a few more. They are 
discovering new destinations for them. They are looking for 
interesting spots. Well, just recently, here in Washington, 
D.C., we discovered about Oleg Deripaska's enormous mansion, 
one of the most expensive properties in town. It is not limited 
to New York and Florida only. Well, if we would have to set 
priorities, these two destinations are, indeed, the most 
beloved by Russian kleptocrats.
    Representative Cohen: Let me ask you just a few more 
questions, then I am going to yield. In 2021, the Duma 
elections, Google and Apple censored the Navalny Smart Voting 
list at the behest of the Putin regime. You were, as I 
understand it, connected to and in discussions with both Apple 
and Google. Could you elaborate on their role in censoring 
those elections and how that affected the election?
    Mr. Volkov: It had an effect, and thank you for bringing 
this up. Indeed, this censorship act was, well, very painful, 
actually. Also, like, it was--it came all out of a sudden. 
Like, Google and Apple did not give us, like, ahead warning, so 
we did not know this is going to happen. We did not expect this 
to happen.
    As we know from media reports, Putin threatened to start 
arresting their employees, the Russian employees of Google and 
Apple, if they would not remove our list of voting endorsements 
for the Duna elections. Putin actually threatened to take 
hostage employees of American companies. We believe the way 
Google and Apple dealt with this crisis, well, was definitely 
not the best way to deal with a terrorist who is taking 
hostage. We, as the developers of this voting application and 
of this endorsement--like, the Navalny team, the Navalny 
foundation--we yet to get an official explanation from Google 
and Apple, not to say an apology, for what happened.
    I anticipate that it could happen--like, realistically, the 
pressure was so strong that they were not able to withstand. It 
happens sometimes. They had to acknowledge it publicly. They 
had to be vocal. They had to reach out to us to give us 
warning, to help us develop some other tools to deliver the 
content to our supporters. Most importantly, I believe we have 
to work together with them to prevent this from happening 
again, and of course, such actions of the government which 
considers it is a proper thing to, like, really blackmail 
companies with the fate of their employees, this has to be 
punished, and this did not happen yet.
    Representative Cohen: Thank you very much. There are so 
many more questions I would like to ask you and the other 
witnesses, but I have taken enough of my time for now. I yield 
back the balance.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you, Representative Cohen.
    We will go to Representative Wilson.
    Representative Wilson: Thank you, Chairman Ben Cardin.
    This positive bipartisan hearing featuring three superstars 
as witnesses who are so impressive and informative, thank you 
so much. It is encouraging, the professionalism that each of 
you have indicated to expose corruption, your courage to do 
that, and--which destabilizes democracy. What you are doing is 
good for the people of Russia and the people of China, but 
particularly democracies around the world that are at risk.
    Chief of Staff to Navalny, I am so impressed and honored to 
be in your presence, and how extraordinary your service on 
behalf of the people of the Russian Federation and your 
hometown of Yekaterinburg is beautiful. I have had wonderful 
visits there. My family's had numerous visits across the 
Russian Federation, from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk, Tomsk, 
Chelyabinsk, and I have been so impressed by the people of 
Russia. It was just so inspiring to see the architecture, the 
art, the literature, and that is why it is so disappointing, 
truly, to see the level of corruption in Russia and how that 
holds back what could be such a dynamic and impressive 
community and country.
    With that in mind, Alexei Navalny--and to show the 
extraordinary bipartisanship, Congressman Steve Cohen is 
absolutely correct. That is that Alexei Navalny is a hero of 
the world. He has written an op-ed, which is in The Guardian 
newspaper of the United Kingdom, which has plans for--calls for 
action against corruption, and it is--and revealing that it is 
the lifeblood of the Putin regime, and underlining the problem 
behind so many global problems. With that op-ed, how can we act 
on the--Alexei Navalny's recommendation to fight global 
corruption?
    Mr. Volkov: Thank you so much for your kind words and for 
your question.
    First of all, I would say that many of things that Alexei 
Navalny mentioned in his op-ed to The Guardian and Le Monde and 
Frankfurter Allgemeine have already been reflected by the six 
bills that were House NDAA amendments and that are now up to be 
considered on the Senate floor, because he actually also 
addressed this issue of a demand side and of fighting 
corruption with legislation in these countries where 
legislation could be enforced, unlike in Russia. I think that 
the Congress is on the very right track here, and we are very 
thankful, and as I told already, we are here to endorse it.
    Russian people will applaud to these measures. It is funny, 
Putin's propaganda spent 20 years explaining that, like, these 
oligarchs and Putin's friends are actually, like, evil. Like, 
why the life quality standards are so bad in Russia? Because, 
well--because of the oligarchs and because of the legacy of the 
1990s. I believe, like--and of course, there is also, 
unfortunately, like, a lot of anti-American propaganda in 
Russian state media. There is, like, "evil America" in their 
perception, but also evil oligarchs.
    I believe this could actually cause quite a short circuit 
if evil America sanctions the evil oligarchs. I cannot wait to 
see how the Russian propaganda will try to explain what is 
actually happening.
    I mean, on a serious note, you are right; Russian people 
deserve much better. It is a nice country, well-educated 
people, enormous resources. Even in the best country, when the 
average kickback rate for any government procurement contract 
is 70 percent in cash--so if you want to build something like a 
school, hospital for, like, $10 million, you have to bring back 
7 million dollars in cash to the--to the government official 
responsible for the procurement. No economy could be 
successful, and there is such burden, and that makes 
corruption, like, the primary target and the--and the primary 
problem in the country.
    Representative Wilson: With the--that is shocking to hear 
of the 70 percent. What do you see as the future of Russia in 
the next five, to 10 years?
    Mr. Volkov: I do very much hope that Putin will not be able 
to carry on for 10 years because the global trend is quite bad 
for him. Young people do not like him. There has been, like, 22 
years of Putin with no alternative, and people are just tired. 
We see that, like, among younger voters, Putin is doing very 
badly.
    His most powerful tool to stay in power is his TV 
propaganda machine, which is enormously sophisticated and 
successful. Young people, digital normals, are much less 
subject to this propaganda. They are not falling victims to 
this propaganda.
    The clock is ticking in our favor. Putin's approval ratings 
are at historic lows, and younger people want change and know 
that they deserve change. It could take time, unfortunately, 
though, because while he is still very strong--he has all the 
law enforcement in place and all the repression machine, and 
actually the amount of repression is unprecedented. Russia now 
has more political prisoners than Soviet Union ever had after 
Stalin. Khrushchev and Brezhnev and Gorbachev had less than 
Putin has. He has shown that he is ready to increase the 
pressure and even increase the amount of repression. At some 
point it is going to crack, just that is--and Russia will have 
a democratic transition to rule of law and to democratic 
institutions. This will take a lot of time, I am afraid, or at 
least some time. Targeting corruption--making corruption less 
fun for Putin's friends, for his elite, for his oligarchs--
could contribute to internal tensions within the regime, could 
create splits that probably will make this process faster.
    Representative Wilson: Well, we all hope for the best for 
the people of Russia.
    Mr. Greytak, Transparency International is the world's 
premier anticorruption organization and chapters in most 
countries. What corruption today do you see differs from 
corruption of 30 years ago?
    Mr. Greytak: Thank you for the question. I think to echo 
what Leonid is saying. It is just become much more 
sophisticated. Basically, a group of extremely well-educated 
Westerners have developed these incredibly complex financial 
vehicles--arrangements like trusts, the role of private equity 
and investment advisors, really futuristic opportunities that 
kleptocrats and their enablers have been able to take advantage 
of. We are well past the days of rats chewing holes in cash in 
Pablo Escobar's home. These funds are now shipped offshore. 
They are now hidden in Western economies that have relatively 
stable and solid growth trajectories for that money. We are in 
an age where the anticorruption movement has to be extremely 
fluent in how our corporate laws and finance work in order to 
be able to track and recover and repatriate that money.
    Representative Wilson: Well, thank you again for your 
expertise on doing that.
    A final question from me for Ms. Dezenski, and that is--and 
we certainly appreciate the Foundation for the Defense of 
Democracies. What a difference they make, and as we address the 
subversion by the Chinese Communist Party, my perspective is 
from birth I was inspired by my father First Lieutenant Hugh 
Wilson, who served with the Flying Tigers in China in 1944 
where he adopted a great affection for the people of China in 
Xi'an, Chengdu, and Kunming. I am also grateful that my 
family's had numerous visits across China and the people of 
China have just been so impressive to me as being talented, and 
we just hope for change in that country.
    At the same time, we have a situation where China has--CCP 
has a long-range view as opposed to Russia for what they would 
like to see, dominance by the CCP in the world. What would you 
comment on their long-range view? How would that be at odds of 
values to the people of the United States?
    Ms. Dezenski: Thank you so much for the question. I think 
you hit on something incredibly important. The long-range view, 
the long-term commitment that the CCP has to effectuating its 
plan, its global ambitions, is exactly that. BRI is a great 
example. It is not enshrined in the constitution of China. They 
take these plans and these programs very seriously. The idea 
that COVID, for example, is canceling out the BRI could not be 
further from the truth. We will see ebbs and flows in terms of 
how China uses its influence and its corrupt tactics, but they 
will continue to keep their eyes on that long-term plan.
    I think this is a challenge for us because we tend to think 
in shorter time periods, and I think China has probably 
exploited that to some extent. When we think about our 
responses, we need to be, I think, more strategic about the 
short-term implications of what we can do and the longer-term 
commitment to democracy and democratic norms. This is something 
that has to transcend all other political conversations because 
it is about the future of this country. Perhaps it is exactly 
the kind of wakeup that we need to get refocused on the kinds 
of long-term objectives that keep our democracy safe.
    Representative Wilson: Thank you very much.
    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Cardin: Thank you.
    We now have Representative Gallego on WebEx from the 
great--representing the great State of Arizona.

      STATEMENT OF RUBEN GALLEGO, U.S. HOUSE, FROM ARIZONA

    Representative Gallego: Thank you. Thank you.
    My first question is for Dr. Volkov. Thank you for your 
testimony. Particularly interested in one of your lessons you 
shared in your written remarks about Russia, listing former 
high-ranking European politicians with what you described as 
alternate retirement plan to serve on the board of directors 
for Russian state-owned companies. One example that stands out 
to me is former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder taking a 
leading role overseeing Nord Stream, a project that started 
during his term in office. What do you see as potential 
solutions to this problem? How can we more effectively tackle 
the strategic corruption that has such a concerning impact on 
the Western democracies?
    Mr. Volkov: Yes, indeed. Thank you for your question. 
Unfortunately, not only former Chancellor Schroder. The former 
French Prime Minister Francois Fillon is another member of a 
board of huge Russian state-owned company. The former prime 
minister of Finland and the former foreign minister of Austria, 
Karin Kneissl, and a few others. The problem is not even that 
some of them becomes employed by the Russian state; the problem 
is that they know such an option exists. Well, it affects their 
judgment.
    I know that Germany develops now a law that effectively 
prohibits German former government officials to become--to 
accept such kind of job offers. I believe there should be some 
legal framework developed on a global Western scale to prevent 
this from happening because otherwise, yes, it is a--it will 
remain a huge problem that people will just have a second 
thought: Should I--should I say something bad about Putin or 
not, because this would kind of strip me of some nice options 
in the future?
    Representative Gallego: [Inaudible.]
    Mr. Volkov: It is a very sophisticated way for them to 
distribute corruption efficiently.
    Representative Gallego: Yes. We certainly have seen some of 
that even in our sector here.
    Mr. Greytak, in your written remarks you referred to 
corruption as the lifeblood of authoritarian governments like 
those in Russia and China. You also highlighted some of the 
steps that both countries are taking like suppressing free 
speech and strengthening organized crime. I wonder if you can 
talk more about whether Russia and China have similar 
approaches to corruption. Are there certain parts of Russia's 
playbook that you think China's adopted? If so, what do you 
think would be the best way for us to counter Chinese 
corruption if it, in fact, is using the Russian playbook?
    Mr. Greytak: Thank you for the question. You know, I think 
it is two sides of a similar coin. Russia has perfected sort of 
the large-scale embezzlement of public funds that allows it to 
remain in power and has really utilized a lot of these Western 
vehicles for moving and hiding that money overseas. China has 
adopted corruption strategically as a way of growing its 
geopolitical influence in particular in developing parts of the 
world. They have many common features to the extent that they 
reward those in close positions of power, that they employ 
bribery in order to gain access to important parts of the 
world. For Russia, it is many Soviet states. For China, it is a 
good share of Africa and South America. These are all really 
one and the same. It is a patronage network--I think the term 
was used earlier--that these states are able to use and grow in 
order to leverage, you know, the money and the assets they take 
from their people in key parts of the world.
    One of the most important things that we can do about that, 
I think, is to take a very 21st-century view in response to how 
these networks work. It was asked how corruption has changed 
over the last 30 years. It is far more global and 
transnational, maybe just simply by the fact my organization, 
Transparency International, was formed and will celebrate its 
30th anniversary soon. This is really reflecting the global 
nature of these networks. Whether it is through sanctions or 
law enforcement authorities over corrupt officials like the 
Foreign Extortion Prevention Act, whether it is through 
coordinated actions with our allies to sanction these officials 
and break up those networks, or whether it is working with our 
financial institutions and other financial institutions in 
other countries, we really need to be looking at this 
holistically because that is how governments of China and 
Russia are thinking about this.
    One of the most important developments that I think can 
come from this renewed focus on fighting corruption is to make 
sure the U.S. government speaks in one voice in a whole-of-
government, coordinated effort, understanding how corruption 
iterates and is used by America's adversaries, and responds to 
that with the full strength of the federal government.
    Representative Gallego: Thank you, Mr. Greytak.
    Last, Ms. Dezenski, I wanted to ask you about Chinese 
corruption specifically. In your written remarks, you 
highlighted the Belt and Road Initiative as the primary vehicle 
to redefine how China engages economically and politically with 
the rest of the world. I immediately think of Huawei and how 
China is using 5G companies to gain influence abroad. Are there 
particular BRI projects that concern you the most? Which types 
of projects do you think are most important for us to 
prioritize as we not only monitor Chinese infrastructure 
investment, but also seek to provide alternatives to it?
    Ms. Dezenski: Thank you. It is an excellent question. I 
would probably highlight a couple of different types of 
projects that should be high on the radar.
    I think you have hit the mark with anything related to 
digital infrastructure. These kinds of projects have popped up 
all over Africa and other parts of the world that are currently 
underserved by digital networks. Why is this so important? It 
is so important because 5G networks in particular offer 
mechanisms for digital authoritarianism, the ability to manage 
communication lines for the benefit of closed regimes. This has 
been, of course, a topic of much conversation, and I think 
there are a lot of good efforts underway in that regard. We 
need to keep a close eye on what is happening there.
    The other area that I would pinpoint are those projects 
that would potentially give Beijing military influence. These 
would include strategic ports, for example, in the Indian 
Ocean, along the South China Sea. Any type of project that 
improves the connectivity and allows greater access for Chinese 
military should certainly be high on our radar.
    I would also look at projects in South America a little bit 
more closely. A lot of the focus of the BRI projects has been 
Asia and Africa, but for us anything in the Western Hemisphere 
is really at our doorstep. China has already made inroads in 
Ecuador, in Argentina, definitely in Venezuela, and other 
countries. This sets us up for a very serious negative dynamic 
in our own backyard, and we need to be able to avoid that. When 
we think about where we can double down on our investment 
strategy, I think the first place we need to look is south of 
our border.
    Thank you.
    Representative Gallego: Thank you.
    I yield back.
    Chairman Cardin: Well, let me thank my colleagues. I want 
to thank all of our witnesses.
    A few observations. First, Mr. Volkov, one of our principal 
objectives in the Helsinki Commission in the Helsinki Final Act 
was the health of civil societies in countries. Today, in 
Russia, civil societies cannot function. As you have indicated 
in your testimony, that you actually can function--you could 
not function in Russia. You would like to be able to function 
in Russia, but you have to function in another country in order 
to be able to do any work at all. That is totally contrary to 
the commitments made under the Helsinki Final Act. I mean, it 
just underscores again how far Russia has gone from its 
commitments that they made in 1975.
    Ms. Dezenski, you really connected some dots for us on the 
supply chain issue. You know, we have looked at the supply 
chain here as a matter of security to have product, but as you 
are pointing out it is a source for corrupt resources for 
China. That is where they are making their--getting their money 
in order to finance their corrupt system that they are now 
trying to turn around to expand to control international trade 
rules so they can even do more corrupt business. It is a very 
important issue. As I pointed out, we are really trying to deal 
with this in the National Defense Authorization Act, which is 
probably the right place for it to be.
    The Senate's already acted on this. The House has not. That 
is one of the reasons why we have to have a conference. We are 
going to try to resolve the substance of this bill in 
conference. I am going to take back from this hearing your 
testimonies as to how we have to deal with recognizing this as 
a source of corrupt revenues for China being able to advance 
its objective of controlling world commerce.
    Then, Mr. Greytak, I just really want to underscore the 
issue of enablers. Legislation is moving in the House, but I 
was listening to the testimony of Mr. Malinowski pointing out 
art dealers. I do not know how you get at art dealers, for 
example. I think we are going to need to get a little bit more 
technical. We are looking at expanding the Magnitsky sanctions 
to enablers, and we have talked with our global partners as to 
the expansion of the statutes to include the enablers. I worry 
that, can we stay one step ahead of what is--of the people who 
are enabling this by any legislative efforts that we do in this 
area? I am going to welcome your technical assistance as we go 
forward to try to figure out how we can, in fact, tie down 
those areas because we have to deal with that. There is no 
question about it.
    I am encouraged by this testimony. As I said in my opening 
statement, yes, corrupt leaders want the protection of rule of 
law in our country in order to protect their assets, but they 
also put themselves at risk because we can use our system to 
stop their illegal activities, their corrupt activities. It 
gives us a nexus to be able to really make effective change.
    I will conclude the hearing. A hearing that we had 
yesterday in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was on 
lessons learned from Afghanistan. There is a lot of lessons to 
be learned from Afghanistan: Failures in four administrations. 
To me, one of the center mistakes we made is that America 
poured in billions of dollars to fuel corruption in 
Afghanistan. We never had an honest leader in that country. It 
was always taking the money for themselves rather than for the 
people. We lost the support of the people because they did not 
benefit from the type of programs that we put forward. Sure, we 
advanced human rights. Sure, we advanced women's rights. That 
is all important, but we did not get to the welfare of the 
people generally. When problems developed with the Taliban, 
they were able to offer little resistance to the Taliban coming 
in and taking over their government.
    Now, I use that example because there is another example in 
history known as South Korea. South Korea suffered from 
corruption from back before they were liberated, and look at 
this country today.
    My point is U.S. involvement can make a difference. We do 
not have to accept corruption as a way in which a country's 
traditions are based upon patronage and corruption. Yes, we do 
not change that with our system. We do not change that with our 
governance. We do plant the seeds so that we can advance the 
welfare of all the people, which is where the climate for 
democracy will flourish.
    I just really want to thank all of you for your testimony 
today. I think you have added greatly to our hearing. I can 
assure you this is our top priority of the Helsinki Commission. 
We are going to follow up on all these issues. Right now, we 
are laser-focused on the National Defense Authorization Act 
because that is our best avenue right now to get to the finish 
line on some additional legislation.
    Our thoughts/prayers are always with Mr. Navalny. We 
recognize he is at risk. Please, if you have a chance, let him 
know that we are watching everything that is being done. We are 
going to do everything we can to advance the rights of the 
people of Russia and to do everything we can to keep Mr. 
Navalny safe.
    With that, the hearing will be adjourned with our thanks.
    [Whereupon, at 12:11 p.m., the hearing ended.]
      
      
      

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