[Senate Hearing 116-457]
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                   OVERSIGHT OF FINANCIAL REGULATORS

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                                HEARING

                               before the

                              COMMITTEE ON
                   BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                     ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

                                   ON

    RECEIVING TESTIMONY FROM FEDERAL FINANCIAL REGULATORY AGENCIES 
 REGARDING EFFORTS, ACTIVITIES, OBJECTIVES, AND PLANS WITH RESPECT TO 
   REGULATORY AND SUPERVISORY ACTIVITIES FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, 
              CREDIT UNIONS, AND OTHER REGULATED ENTITIES

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            COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS

                      MIKE CRAPO, Idaho, Chairman

RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama           SHERROD BROWN, Ohio
PATRICK J. TOOMEY, Pennsylvania      JACK REED, Rhode Island
TIM SCOTT, South Carolina            ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey
BEN SASSE, Nebraska                  JON TESTER, Montana
TOM COTTON, Arkansas                 MARK R. WARNER, Virginia
MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota            ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts
DAVID PERDUE, Georgia                BRIAN SCHATZ, Hawaii
THOM TILLIS, North Carolina          CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland
JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana              CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada
MARTHA McSALLY, Arizona              DOUG JONES, Alabama
JERRY MORAN, Kansas                  TINA SMITH, Minnesota
KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota           KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona

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                Laura Swanson, Democratic Staff Director

                        Catherine Fuchs, Counsel

                Brandon Beall, Professional Staff Member

           Corey Frayer, Democratic Professional Staff Member

                      Cameron Ricker, Chief Clerk

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                    Charles J. Moffat, Hearing Clerk

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Opening statement of Chairman Crapo..............................     1
    Prepared statement...........................................    36

Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
    Senator Brown................................................     3
        Prepared statement.......................................    37

                               WITNESSES

Randal K. Quarles, Vice Chairman for Supervision, Board of 
  Governors of the Federal Reserve System........................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................    39
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................   105
Brian P. Brooks, Acting Comptroller, Office of the Comptroller of 
  the Currency...................................................     6
    Prepared statement...........................................    46
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Rounds...........................................   106
Jelena McWilliams, Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance 
  Corporation....................................................     8
    Prepared statement...........................................    73
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Scott............................................   108
        Senator Toomey...........................................   109
        Senator Rounds...........................................   110
        Senator Kennedy..........................................   111
        Senator Tester...........................................   113
        Senator Warren...........................................   118
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................   122
        Senator Sinema...........................................   129
Rodney E. Hood, Chairman, National Credit Union Administration...    11
    Prepared statement...........................................    91
    Responses to written questions of:
        Senator Toomey...........................................   129
        Senator Rounds...........................................   131
        Senator Tester...........................................   134
        Senator Cortez Masto.....................................   142
        Senator Sinema...........................................   143

              Additional Material Supplied for the Record

Letter from the Credit Union National Association................   145
Letter from the National Association of Federally-Insured Credit 
  Unions.........................................................   152
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System's November 
  2020 Supervision and Regulation Report.........................   155

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                   OVERSIGHT OF FINANCIAL REGULATORS

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                       TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2020

                                       U.S. Senate,
          Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, via Webex, at 2:32 p.m., Hon. Mike 
Crapo, Chairman of the Committee, presiding.

            OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN MIKE CRAPO

    Chairman Crapo. This hearing will come to order.
    Before we get going, a few videoconferencing reminders. 
Once you start speaking, there will be a slight delay before 
you are displayed on the screen, and do not worry about that.
    To minimize background noise, please click the mute button 
until it is your turn to speak or ask questions. If there is a 
technology issue, as usual, we will move to the next Senator 
until it is resolved. And, again, I remind all Senators and our 
witnesses that the 5-minute clock still applies, and you should 
all have one box on your screens labeled ``Clock'' that will 
show how much time is remaining. I will try to remember to 
gently tap the gavel to remind Senators of their time because 
we seem to always have one or two who do not have the clock in 
front of them.
    To simplify the speaking order process, Senator Brown and I 
have again agreed to go by seniority for this hearing.
    With that, today we welcome to this virtual hearing the 
Federal prudential regulators: Federal Reserve Vice Chairman of 
Supervision, Randy Quarles; Acting Comptroller of the Office of 
the Comptroller of the Currency, Brian Brooks; Chairman of the 
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Jelena McWilliams; and 
Chairman of the National Credit Union Administration, Rodney 
Hood.
    We will receive testimony from each agency on efforts, 
activities, objectives, and plans since you last testified 
before the Committee, as well as an update on COVID-19-related 
actions.
    Since the passage of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and 
Economic Security Act, or CARES Act, your agencies have taken 
many meaningful steps to mitigate the economic impact of the 
pandemic and to provide conditions that will lead to a forceful 
recovery.
    On October 30, the Federal Reserve announced changes to its 
Main Street Lending Facility, including decreasing the minimum 
loan size for the new loan and priority loan facilities from 
$250,000 to $100,000, and allowing borrowers to deduct any PPP 
loan less than $2 million from their outstanding debt for the 
purposes of the leverage test.
    Your agencies should continue to carefully review the 
regulatory and supervisory frameworks, adjusting where 
necessary to bolster financial institutions' ability to support 
economic recovery--which, by the way, has shown positive signs 
of recovery over the last several months.
    On October 29, the United States GDP surged a record 33 
percent in the third quarter as the economy started to reopen.
    The unemployment rate fell to 6.9 percent in October. Just 
last spring CBO projected that we would still be at 9.5 percent 
by the end of 2021.
    And since April, around 12 million jobs have been gained, 
meaning we have recovered more than half of the jobs lost due 
to the Government-enforced shutdowns.
    Over the last few months, I have sent several letters to 
the regulators on a number of important issues.
    On July 31, I sent a letter to each of the agencies urging 
the use of existing discretion to extend relief provided under 
Title IV of the CARES Act, including extending the Community 
Bank Leverage Ratio to December 31, 2021; the Troubled Debt 
Restructurings, or TDRs, to January 1, 2022; and the Current 
Expected Credit Losses, or CECL, methodology to January 1, 
2023, while clarifying and minimizing unintended effects of 
mid-year adoption.
    On October 8, I sent the regulatory agencies a letter 
regarding the increase in regulatory burden for banks and 
credit unions simply due to their rapid implementation Paycheck 
Protection Program, or PPP.
    As a result of their critical role in PPP and the economic 
recovery, many banks and credit unions inadvertently 
experienced significant balance sheet growth, which is 
ultimately expected to decline as borrowers meet the PPP's 
forgiveness terms.
    The FDIC took an important step in issuing an interim final 
rule to alleviate the increased Part 363 audit and reporting 
requirements for insured depository institutions that have 
experienced growth from PPP and participation in the Federal 
Reserve 13(3) facilities, and other stimulus efforts.
    It is important that banks and credit unions are not 
inadvertently disincentivized from continuing to play a key 
role in the economic recovery or to participate in future 
efforts.
    I urge each of you to continue using your discretion to 
alleviate the regulatory burdens associated with a variety of 
asset-based regulatory thresholds on those banks and credit 
unions who are temporarily experiencing growth from 
participation in recovery-oriented programs.
    Turning to the OCC, on October 19, the Senate rejected a 
Congressional Review Act of the Community Reinvestment Act 
issued by the OCC.
    According to the OCC, the final rule improves Community 
Reinvestment Act regulations ``by clarifying what qualifies for 
CRA consideration, updating how banks define their assessment 
areas, evaluating bank CRA performance more objectively, and 
making the entire process more transparent and timelier. The 
final rule's framework will increase support to small business, 
small- and family-owned farms, Indian Country, and distressed 
areas, and it accommodates banks of all sizes and business 
models.''
    The CRA had not been materially modernized since 1995, and 
I commend the OCC for taking this important step.
    As we continue to weather this pandemic, I again stress to 
each of you and your agencies the importance of our financial 
institutions providing access to credit and financial services 
to creditworthy individuals and businesses in legal industries.
    It is vitally important that our country's financial 
institutions, especially the largest, not deny credit financing 
based on political preferences related to firearms, oil and 
gas, or others.
    Lending decisions should be based on creditworthiness and 
should not target specific industries, especially as we work to 
restore our economy to pre-pandemic strength.
    This will remain an incredibly important issue for me, and 
I will continue to fight for access to credit and financial 
services for all of our legal industries.
    I appreciate each one of you joining us today to share your 
agency's activities and plans, as well as the tireless work of 
you and your staff in response to COVID-19.
    Senator Brown.

           OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR SHERROD BROWN

    Senator Brown. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    The American people sent a clear message in this election: 
they rejected an Administration where Wall Street and 
corporations run the economy. People want a Government that is 
actually on their side.
    For the past 4 years, the Trump administration and the 
Federal financial regulators before us today have put their 
thumbs on the scale for corporations and their wealthy friends, 
while leaving everyone else at the mercy of the supposed ``free 
market.''
    Americans watched a President ignore a pandemic, refuse to 
even try to put in place any kind of plan to bring the virus 
under control, and to reject all our efforts to support 
families and get our economy running smoothly.
    Whatever the Majority Leader may say, whatever damage he 
and some of my colleagues and the outgoing President are doing 
to our democracy with their lies and their fabricated attacks 
on our nonpartisan and hardworking poll workers and local 
election officials, the facts are clear: A decisive majority of 
the public--5 million more people voted for Joe Biden than 
Donald Trump--a decisive majority rejected what they have 
endured over the last 4 years and voted for new leadership that 
will restore faith in our Government.
    People are ready to turn the page. They are ready for real 
leadership that will give them their freedom and their lives 
back. They are ready to heal and rebuild.
    The work we do here on the Banking and Housing Committee 
can be a big part of that and can make a real, tangible 
difference in people's lives--if we, Committee Members of both 
parties, come together and choose to do so.
    We have the power on this Committee to tackle the issues 
that actually matter to people's lives--their paychecks, 
housing, transportation, and the communities they live in.
    We can put small businesses back on their feet. We can lift 
up Brown and Black communities that have been hit the hardest 
by this pandemic. We can keep people in their homes; we can 
make their homes more affordable; we can bring down people's 
energy bills. We can lead the world in the fight against 
climate change. We can seize every opportunity to create good-
paying jobs. We can free people from the stress of debt 
collectors and the downward spiral of payday lenders. And we 
can reorient our economy from wealth to work.
    To do all of that, we have to take on Wall Street power.
    We know who ships jobs overseas. We know who jacks up drug 
prices. We know who spends trillions on stock buybacks instead 
of higher wages. We know who busts unions. It is not our 
neighbors who may have a different political sign in their yard 
or a different bumper sticker on their car. It is the largest 
corporations, it is their unaccountable CEOs--from Facebook to 
Wells Fargo--and their allies in Washington.
    Wall Street is all too happy to watch phony populists turn 
us against each other, as long as it means they get to keep 
exploiting workers and playing by a different set of rules.
    For 4 years, we have had a President trying to convince 
people to blame their fellow Americans who may not look like 
them or worship like them, instead of blaming a system that 
rewards executives' stock portfolios when they lay off workers 
or when they cut their pay.
    Divide to distract--that was the playbook. Divide to 
distract from all the ways he and his followers in Congress 
were funneling more wealth to the already wealthy and funneling 
more power to the already powerful.
    But it did not work this time.
    Last week, a record 80 million Americans rejected that 
division, the largest vote for any Presidential nominee in our 
Nation's history. Now we have to deliver results.
    We have to take on big oil and other corporate polluters 
that have spent billions of dollars trying to convince people 
that climate change is an unsolvable problem, instead of a 
tremendous opportunity.
    We have to end the corporate business model that treats 
workers, especially Black and Brown workers, as expendable, in 
a system that perpetuates systemic racism.
    We have to break up the biggest banks and give that power 
to everyone else who has been denied a voice in our economy.
    Our financial system should be a public good. It already is 
for big banks. We need to make it work for everyone else and 
create a better system centered around the dignity of work.
    When work has dignity, hard work pays off for everyone, no 
matter who you are, no matter where you live, no matter what 
kind of work you do.
    When work has dignity, everyone can afford housing and 
transportation, and they have power over their lives and their 
own money.
    When work has dignity, we have a strong, growing middle 
class, and everyone--everyone--can reach it. Making that vision 
possible is the job of the Banking and Housing Committee.
    We know we have great challenges. We are in a public health 
crisis, an economic crisis, and a climate crisis. Extraordinary 
times call for us to aim higher and think bigger--to rise to 
meet this moment, to restore people's faith in their 
Government.
    Mr. Chairman, I look forward to coming together with 
Senators on both sides of the aisle, and with the new 
Administration, to get to work.
    Thank you so much.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you, Senator Brown.
    We will now proceed to the testimony of our witnesses, and 
I will have you speak in the order I introduced you.
    So, Vice Chairman Quarles, you may proceed.

STATEMENT OF RANDAL K. QUARLES, VICE CHAIRMAN FOR SUPERVISION, 
        BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

    Mr. Quarles. Thank you, Chairman, thank you, Ranking Member 
Brown, thank you, Members of the Committee, for the opportunity 
to testify today on the Federal Reserve's supervisory 
activities.
    My last appearance, in May, followed a period of historic 
financial stress. The emergence of COVID-19 and the measures 
taken in response added a deep strain of uncertainty to 
financial markets. It prompted a sharp and global flight from 
riskier, more volatile asset classes, and a retreat to the 
safety of cash. That retreat demanded immediate, extraordinary, 
and concerted public intervention, to ensure stability, restore 
calm, and see the Nation through an unfolding crisis.
    The Federal Reserve's intervention spanned a wide range of 
intermediaries and markets, including the banking sector. 
Strengthened by a decade of improvements in capital, liquidity, 
and risk management, including the refinement and recalibration 
of the last 3 years, banking organizations became an important 
shelter from financial distress. Our goal was to ensure this 
shelter stood fast--that banks could respond to the emergency 
and address consumer, business, and community needs, without 
jeopardizing their own safety and soundness.
    The report accompanying my testimony lists these actions in 
detail, and we have extended several of them as the COVID event 
has continued. They include temporary adjustments to capital 
and reserve measures, compliance requirements, and offsite 
examination activities. Importantly, they clarify, beyond 
doubt, that safety and soundness are no impediment to working 
constructively with borrowers and other customers in times of 
strain.
    Together with monetary, financial stability, and fiscal 
actions, these measures helped calm the waters. The initial 
wave of market stress has passed, and the recovery has begun 
much sooner than expected. This speaks to the country's 
tenacity, ingenuity, and spirit in responding to even the 
greatest of shocks.
    The challenge we face now is distinct, formidable, and 
complex. The surprise of the COVID event is gone, replaced by a 
clearer view of its economic consequences. The burdens facing 
households and businesses are better understood, but they are 
no less significant, and they are not evenly borne. I am 
confident that we will work through them together, support 
those hardest hit, and ensure that our economic wounds do not 
become scars.
    The Federal Reserve remains committed to using our full 
range of tools to support the economy for as long as needed. A 
strong, resilient banking system is an essential element of 
such support. A durable recovery demands banks that lend 
actively, confront gains and losses honestly, withstand 
unexpected shocks, and help customers rebuild and adapt. Our 
task, as supervisors, is to ensure that the country's banks 
continue to meet that exacting standard.
    The Federal Reserve's earliest COVID-related guidance, 
encouraging banks to work with their borrowers, was an 
important step toward this goal. Since then, working with our 
colleagues in other financial regulatory agencies, we have 
taken several others. These range from principles to guide 
COVID-related credit accommodations to a clearer statement on 
Community Reinvestment Act consideration of COVID-related 
activities, to steps that make it easier for banks to 
participate in emergency lending programs. It also includes the 
use of flexibility in our stress-testing apparatus to better 
understand the effects of the COVID event.
    As our report shows, that strength is still intact. 
Liquidity and capital remain high and, indeed, have increased 
at our largest banks over the course of the COVID event. Firms 
have sharply increased their reserves, setting aside resources 
today against possible losses tomorrow. Banks are well 
positioned to serve as a bulwark against broader financial and 
economic stress.
    It is worth recognizing how things might have been 
different. This foundation would not exist, after a once-in-a-
century shock, if not for a decade of work by officials and by 
the banks themselves to make banks stronger and more stable, 
and to make banking supervision fairer, more efficient, and 
more transparent. Those values are not contingent, fit only for 
an economic boom. They represent an ethic and a commitment--to 
addressing the most pressing supervisory and regulatory issues 
in the most effective ways--that are even more critical during 
a crisis.
    That ethic has steered the Federal Reserve through the last 
7 months. It will continue to guide us through the recovery.
    COVID-19 changed many aspects of the Federal Reserve's 
work. It also affirmed the values and priorities that remain 
the same--those that will continue to guide us in our support 
for the financial system, the economy, and the country, long 
after the COVID event has passed.
    Thank you for your time, and I look forward to answering 
your questions.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you, Mr. Quarles.
    Next, Acting Comptroller Brian Brooks.

STATEMENT OF BRIAN P. BROOKS, ACTING COMPTROLLER, OFFICE OF THE 
                  COMPTROLLER OF THE CURRENCY

    Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Chairman Crapo, Ranking Member 
Brown, and Members of the Committee. I appreciate the 
opportunity to update you on the OCC's work ensuring that 
Federal banks operate in a safe, sound, and fair manner and 
remain sources of strength for their communities.
    Senator Crapo, I would like to congratulate you on your 
tenure chairing this Committee. I thank you for your leadership 
and personal thoughts as we worked together, and I look forward 
to working with your successor.
    Over the past 8 months, the OCC has supported the orderly 
function of our banking system through an extraordinary time. 
Fortunately, banks and savings associations entered this period 
with nearly historic high levels of capital and liquidity. 
Asset quality was strong, and the economy had enjoyed the 
longest expansion on record.
    Then, as part of the national response to COVID-19, 
economic activity was suspended. Regulators at this table 
collaborated to provide banks the flexibility necessary for 
them to use that strength to support their customers and 
sustain economic activity. My testimony today will provide 
detail on the actions this agency has taken on that front.
    Today we continue to monitor the effects of shutting down 
the economy. While banks remain sound, we see potential for 
troubled assets ahead in commercial and residential real 
estate, in small business and consumer lending, and in the 
travel and hospitality sectors in particular.
    Banks, particularly those with concentrations in those 
assets, must take a sober view of their risks and work with 
customers to the maximum extent possible consistent with safety 
and soundness.
    The recent OCC semiannual risk perspective highlights the 
credit, operational, and compliance risks in the system which 
will focus our supervisory efforts in the months ahead.
    Prudent risk management today can avoid the need for more 
extreme loss mitigation tomorrow. Having said that, we also do 
see reasons for cautious optimism about the future based on 
strong third quarter GDP growth, continued reduction in 
unemployment, strong consumer and small business sentiment, and 
better than expected news about the near-term availability of 
effective COVID-19 vaccines.
    While the economy and banks face uncertainty as to the 
length and depth of the pandemic's trough, I also want to 
highlight what gives me optimism for the future of banking.
    During the social unrest that followed the killing of 
George Floyd this summer, it became clear that the protesters 
were angry that too many Americans had been left out of our 
national wealth creation engine for far too long. The OCC, 
therefore, founded Project REACh to convene bankers, civil 
rights leaders, innovators, and business people to promote 
full, fair, and equal participation in our national economy.
    The project is working to eliminate obstacles to credit for 
the 45 million Americans with no usable credit score, to expand 
affordable housing for those who cannot afford high downpayment 
requirements, and to reinvigorate minority banks that serve 
often neglected communities.
    We have now kicked off regional REACh efforts, including 
one serving the greater Los Angeles area very recently, and we 
have hosted access to capital events in South Carolina and 
Colorado. I have been humbled by the momentum among the 
industry, community, and civil rights advocates and our staff 
here at the OCC.
Indeed, Project REACh has become a movement to tear down 
barriers so that all may pursue their American dreams.
    Another reason for optimism comes from innovators 
themselves within banks and elsewhere who are excited about 
improving banking and financial services to consumers, 
businesses, and communities. We are seeing new products and 
better ways of delivering them and much more efficient ways of 
operating. Ultimately, this progress will benefit consumers and 
businesses, and they will have greater choice and more autonomy 
over their financial well-being.
    At the OCC, we believe that consumers, businesses, and the 
economy are best served when this innovation can occur within 
the banking system, and the system is allowed to evolve as 
consumer preferences evolved. We think this for several 
reasons.
    First, the banking system is among our most strictly 
regulated and closely supervised industries. Those who fear 
innovation may harm consumers should consider the possibility 
that innovation might be safer in a supervised environment than 
it is under the currently largely unsupervised environment. The 
same is true for those focused on prudential risk.
    Over the last decade, large market shares of lending and 
payments processing have migrated from the commercial banks 
into less regulated shadow banks. This trend reduces our 
collective ability to spot and manage issues early on. And, of 
course, we should not underestimate the risk of a status quo in 
which incumbents seek protection from competition and, thus, 
delay the delivery of innovative financial services that are 
already available in other parts of the world.
    The OCC has been a leader in this area since coining the 
phrase ``responsible innovation'' in 2015. We remain committed 
to encouraging responsible efforts to deliver more choice and 
more economic opportunities and safe, sound, and fair ways 
within the Federal banking system to benefit consumers and 
businesses across the country.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today. I am 
proud to serve as the Acting Comptroller of the Currency and 
support the agency's important mission. I look forward to your 
questions.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    Next, FDIC Chair Jelena McWilliams.

   STATEMENT OF JELENA McWILLIAMS, CHAIRMAN, FEDERAL DEPOSIT 
                     INSURANCE CORPORATION

    Ms. McWilliams. Chairman Crapo, Ranking Member Brown, 
Members of the Committee, and staff, thank you for the 
opportunity to testify today. I hope that you and your families 
are staying healthy and safe.
    When I testified before this Committee 6 months ago, we 
were confronting great uncertainty and volatility due to the 
COVID-19 pandemic and related Government shutdowns. Many 
industries and segments of the economy were experiencing 
unprecedented declines in activity, and this shock was 
reverberating throughout the financial system.
    Although there remains considerable uncertainty about the 
path of the economy, we know from two quarters of industry-wide 
reporting that the banking system has served as a source of 
strength throughout this period. Banks of all sizes supported 
their customers and communities, including by originating 
nearly $500 billion in PPP loans and accommodating more than $2 
trillion in new deposits over two quarters.
    The banking system's ability to support the economy 
reflects the industry's strong capital and liquidity positions. 
In the second quarter of 2020, aggregate equity capital 
increased to more than $2.1 trillion, which translated to an 
average common equity Tier 1 capital ratio of 13.4 percent. On 
both an aggregate and percentage basis, these capital levels 
were slightly higher than the quarter immediately preceding the 
pandemic.
    To support the ability of banks to work constructively with 
their customers, the FDIC has taken meaningful actions to 
provide banks necessary flexibility while maintaining safety 
and soundness and consumer protection.
    Today I will provide an update on five areas in which we 
have made significant progress: responding to economic risks 
related to COVID-19; enhancing our resolution readiness; 
supporting communities in need; fostering technology solutions 
and encouraging innovation; and finalizing outstanding 
rulemakings.
    My written statement provides greater detail in each of 
these areas, but I would like to briefly touch on each of them, 
starting with our response to economic risks related to COVID-
19.
    Beginning in early March, the FDIC and our fellow 
regulators undertook a series of actions that helped maintain 
stability in financial markets. In addition to providing 
flexibility for banks to work with their borrowers, we made 
many targeted temporary regulatory changes to facilitate 
lending and other financial intermediation.
    Over the past 6 months, we have taken additional regulatory 
and supervisory actions in support of these objectives and the 
economy. We continue to monitor conditions and receive feedback 
from supervised institutions, and we will consider additional 
guidance as appropriate.
    On to our resolution readiness, as the FDIC responded to 
the immediate impact of the pandemic, we also focused on 
enhancing our resolution readiness in several ways.
    Although we entered the pandemic with a historically low 
number of bank failures, we recognized that the absence of 
failures could not last forever, even before the pandemic. 
Accordingly, the FDIC improved our resolution-related 
capabilities by centralizing our supervision and resolution 
activities for the largest banks, establishing a new approach 
to bank closing activities to help protect the health of our 
employees should banks fail during the pandemic; coordinating 
with our international counterparts on cross-border resolution 
for global systemically important banks; carrying out targeted 
engagement and capabilities testing with select firms on an as-
needed basis; regularly reviewing institution and financial 
industry data to inform FDIC resource management decisions and 
prepare for potential surge activities if necessary; and 
finalizing rules that will improve our resolution-related 
activities.
    We have been mindful of also supporting communities in need 
during this time in particular. As the pandemic continues to 
disrupt the daily lives of all Americans, we are particularly 
mindful that minority and low- and moderate-income communities 
have suffered disproportionately. As the Nation's deposit 
insurer and primary supervisor of community banks, including 
minority depository institutions, or MDIs, the FDIC plays an 
important role in helping these institutions meet the needs of 
their customers and communities.
    Shaped by my personal experiences and guided by a 
commitment to increasing financial inclusion in traditionally 
underserved communities, one of my priorities as FDIC Chairman 
has been expanding our engagement and collaboration in support 
of MDIs.
    One of the options we are exploring is a framework that 
would match MDIs and CDFIs with investors interested in the 
particular challenges and opportunities facing these 
institutions and their communities. We are in the process of 
creating a vehicle through which investors' funds would be 
channeled to make investments in or with MDIs and CDFIs. We are 
still developing the details but expect to release more 
information in the near future.
    As we consider additional ways to create a more inclusive 
banking system, we must recognize the tremendous benefits that 
financial innovation can deliver to consumers. New technologies 
have the potential to bring more people into the banking 
system, provide access to new products and services, and lower 
the cost of credit.
    Our recent biennial survey on household use of banking and 
financial services shows that individuals are increasingly 
moving to digital banking. As these trends continue, regulators 
should aim to foster the development of new technologies that 
improve the way banks operate and how they are able to serve 
their customers.
    To enable this evolution, we established an office of 
innovation--FDiTech--and began working on several initiatives. 
Notably, we recently sought feedback on a ground-breaking 
approach to facilitate technology partnerships between banks 
and fintechs. Our Request for Information proposed a public-
private standard-setting partnership and voluntary 
certification program that would help reduce the cost and 
uncertainty associated with the introduction of new technology 
at an institution. Reducing these barriers to innovation is 
particularly important for community banks. We look forward to 
reviewing recommendations from interested parties as we review 
next steps.
    We also opened our first hack-a-thon to begin developing 
next-generation supervisory technologies that will streamline 
regulatory reporting, reduce regulatory costs, and improve the 
ability of regulators to quickly identify emerging risks at 
banks or across the financial system. Lessons learned in these 
events will not only increase the effectiveness of the FDIC, 
but they will also lay the foundation for streamlined tech 
integration in our Nation's banks.
    We continue to focus our efforts on modernizing and 
improving the efficiency and resiliency of the financial 
system. We finalized two rules regarding Federal interest rate 
authority in Section 19 of the FDI Act, both of which codify 
existing FDIC guidance and bring clarity to the market. In 
addition, we engaged with our fellow regulators to address the 
Volcker Rule's overly restrictive covered fund provisions, 
modified requirements regarding the collection of initial 
margin from affiliates, and established a long-term liquidity 
metric for the largest banks.
    Among upcoming actions, we intend to finalize two 
additional rules regarding broker deposits and industrial loan 
companies in the near future.
    Chairman Crapo. Madam, I am going to have to ask you to 
wrap up soon, if you would.
    Ms. McWilliams. Thank you for the opportunity to testify 
today, and I look forward to your questions, and I apologize 
for going over my time.
    Chairman Crapo. No problem. Thank you.
    Then, finally, Chairman Hood.

 STATEMENT OF RODNEY E. HOOD, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL CREDIT UNION 
                         ADMINISTRATION

    Mr. Hood. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Crapo, 
Ranking Member Brown, and Members of the Committee. Thank you 
for the opportunity to provide an update on the state of 
federally insured credit unions and the NCUA's efforts to 
assist them during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
    Our Nation's credit union system was well capitalized at 
the start of the pandemic and remains so today, with high 
levels of net worth and ample liquidity. This strength has 
allowed credit unions to adapt to the operational challenges 
resulting from the pandemic.
    Total assets in federally insured credit unions rose 15 
percent over the year ending in the second quarter of 2020, to 
$1.75 trillion. Credit union shares and deposits rose by nearly 
17 percent, to $1.49 trillion. Since mid-March, the NCUA has 
worked diligently to provide credit unions with regulatory 
relief and much-needed flexibility so they can continue to 
safely serve their member-owners.
    We have also adjusted our examination program to protect 
our staff, and we all continue to work remotely and 
effectively. We have issued 11 interagency statements and 20 
guidance letters to the industry to date, helping credit unions 
to address emerging risk and implement the regulatory and 
statutory changes that have been made in response to the 
pandemic.
    The NCUA has provided over $3.7 million in technical 
assistance to small, low-income, and minority credit unions in 
the form of its 2020 Community Development Revolving Loan Fund 
allocation, which went directly to COVID-19 assistance.
    The credit union system's net worth increased 6.8 percent 
over the year, to $182.9 billion. The aggregate net worth ratio 
for the system stood at 10.46 percent, well above the 7 percent 
statutory requirement. The Share Insurance Fund is also strong, 
and the equity ratio remains well within the statutory range 
under the Federal Credit Union Act. Accordingly, we believe 
there is no need to assess a premium at this time.
    Credit unions have continued to provide needed credit and 
financial services, with lending rising to an all-time high of 
$1.5 trillion in all major categories. Credit unions 
collectively extended $8.4 billion in loans under the SBA's 
Paycheck Protection Program, with an average loan amount of 
$49,000. Like capital, liquidity is a pillar of strength and 
the bedrock upon which the safety and soundness of the credit 
union system rests.
    Congress' decision to increase the flexibility of, and 
borrowing authority for, the Central Liquidity Facility in the 
CARES Act has contributed greatly to bolstering the 
availability of liquidity in the system. Since the Act was 
signed into law, the NCUA has successfully encouraged natural-
person and corporate credit unions to join the CLF. Today, the 
facility's borrowing capacity has exceeded $32 billion and 
provides access to nearly 80 percent of all credit unions. I am 
indeed grateful that Congress provided this much-needed 
authority in the CARES Act. However, I respectfully request 
that these changes be extended for the pandemic's duration so 
the credit union system and the NCUA can respond effectively 
should the need for emergency liquidity arise.
    One important lesson from 2020 is the need for greater 
financial inclusion. Lamentably, recent events have revealed 
many inequities in our society, not the least of which is that 
the pandemic has had a more deleterious impact on communities 
of color. Since becoming the 11th Chairman of the NCUA, I have 
made financial inclusion a priority within the agency and the 
credit union system as a whole. I recently reinforced that 
commitment with the launch of a new financial inclusion 
initiative called, ACCESS--Advancing Communities through 
Credit, Education, Stability & Support. This initiative will 
refresh and modernize regulations, policies, and programs that 
all support greater financial inclusion within the agency and 
the credit union system, and will address the specific needs of 
diverse communities. I look forward to working in partnership 
with the Members of this Committee toward this worthy endeavor.
    In closing, I would like to thank the Committee again for 
the opportunity to appear before you today and discuss how the 
NCUA is working to protect our Nation's credit union system and 
the 122.4 million members, how they are all working to help 
them during this challenging time. I look forward to answering 
your questions. Thank you all for the opportunity to be here, 
and thank you, Chairman Crapo, for the leadership that you 
provide. It has been an absolute pleasure working with you, 
sir.
    Thank you.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you very much.
    I will go with the first questioning. My first question is 
going to be directed to the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, and the 
OCC. But I would like you all to keep your responses to about 
30 to 45 seconds because I want to get to a question for the 
NCUA as well.
    I wrote to the Fed, the FDIC, the OCC, and the NCUA, and 
the CFPB, actually, in October, asking each of you to use your 
discretion to minimize the regulatory impact on banks and 
credit unions resulting from participation in the PPP. And I 
know that some of you have taken important actions in that 
regard.
    I believe, however, that there is still a litany of rules 
that impose a burden on our institutions simply from passing 
asset-based regulatory thresholds based on their participation 
in PPP and other Government support.
    The question I have first to Vice Chairman Quarles, 
Chairman McWilliams, and Acting Comptroller Brooks is: What 
additional areas can you use your discretion in to provide 
relief to banks that are subject to significantly more 
burdensome regulations simply from participation in the PPP and 
that are eventually expected to revert in size eventually?
    Mr. Quarles. Well, I am happy to start with an answer to 
that question, Chairman. We do have some flexibility in our 
regulatory framework with respect to some of the measures that 
increase in stringency as banks increase in asset size to make 
temporary exceptions. We have done that, and we are continuing 
to look as to whether we should extend some of that relief.
    With respect to some of the measures, we are not currently 
seeing that they are actually going to pose a problem. I think 
it is principally an issue for the smaller banks that are being 
pushed up over levels than the larger banks that might be being 
pushed into the next category or other. We are not seeing that 
with the larger banks that that is actually happening yet. But 
smaller banks could be pushed into some materially more 
difficult areas, and I think we need to look at what we can do 
there.
    Mr. Brooks. Chairman Crapo, I am happy to go next. I would 
begin by echoing Chairman McWilliams' statement in our opening 
remarks that at the most recent FDIC Board meeting, the members 
of the FDIC Board of Directors, myself included, approved a new 
position that will exclude those kinds of assets from audit 
requirements that are subject to asset size thresholds. And I 
would also say that the bank regulators on an interagency basis 
are currently working on a set of rules that would relieve for 
a period of time certain asset thresholds being tripped that 
trigger heightened scrutiny and heightened compliance 
requirements at different levels.
    So just to orient Committee Members on this, there are a 
number of different regulatory requirements that kick in at 
$500 million for certain things, $600 million for certain other 
things, $1 billion for other things, et cetera. And I think the 
direction of that discussion is something that will cap out at 
$10 billion most likely based on current conversations. I think 
Vice Chairman Quarles has it exactly right that at larger 
levels, banks are fully capable of managing those risks, but it 
is small banks that have those difficulties. And I also think 
that there will be some time limitation on that, and there is 
discussion among the agencies as to what the appropriate 
temporary period of time is to provide that relief.
    I would just close by saying that one thing that is 
important is that, on the one hand, we must accommodate the 
dislocations created by the COVID-19 pandemic situation, but at 
the same time it is important that those things be wound down 
just as soon as the pandemic ends, because it is important as 
supervisors that we have real visibility into the balance sheet 
risks created by those assets over time.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    And, Chair McWilliams, we are down to about a minute, so 
you are going to get cheated on a little bit of time here, but 
please respond.
    Ms. McWilliams. It is OK. I cheated a little bit earlier, 
so I will yield the time to Chairman Hood. I will just say that 
small banks have done a disproportionate amount of lending to 
their proportion of the banking industry share, so about 31 
percent of PPP loans versus 15 percent of total assets. So it 
is only appropriate if you look at these thresholds, as 
Comptroller Brooks mentioned, and accommodate them because they 
are truly temporary.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    And, Chairman Hood, my specific question to you would be to 
see if you could focus on your comments that I heard and your 
evaluation of the PCA Framework and the net worth level issues 
in this context.
    Mr. Hood. Yes, sir, that really is important. One of the 
things that I wanted to note is that credit union shares are at 
an all-time high, as are loans. And in the current framework, 
there is now pressure on our credit unions to reduce their 
lending activities during this pandemic, and the last thing we 
need is for a third of Americans to not have access to credit 
during this time. So if we can provide any type of relief from 
prompt corrective action, it would certainly be greatly 
appreciated because what it does, it allows management to focus 
solely on meeting the needs of the member owners as opposed to 
any of the prompt corrective action frameworks that we have in 
place. I think if we can provide the relief on a temporary 
basis, safety and soundness will still be preserved. And, you 
are right, I did write about this in my April 29th response to 
you, so any relief that we can get would be greatly 
appreciated.
    Chairman Crapo. All right. Thank you very much.
    Senator Brown.
    Senator Brown. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    To all four of you, you have all had an opportunity to 
serve your country at the highest levels. As this 
Administration winds down, I would like to thank you for your 
service, each of you.
    But looking back over each of your terms, I do not think 
you have left your agencies, much less American families, 
communities, and small businesses, I do not think you have left 
them better off than when you took office. Each of you could 
have done so much more to actually improve Americans' lives, 
especially during these difficult last months. Instead, you 
have finalized the Wall Street wish list.
    Vice Chairman Quarles, your job is one of the most crucial 
in our country when it comes to preventing another banking 
crisis. In 2006, you painted an optimistic picture of the 
economy, said you were offering ``some perspectives on risks in 
the financial sector that have garnered a great deal of media 
attention.'' That sounds to me like an economist's version of 
shouting, ``Fake news.''
    The 2008 crisis was very real. As far as I can tell, you 
learned nothing from it. Just like last time, you now insist 
that even though millions are struggling to stay in their jobs 
and stay in their houses, the economic future is bright because 
the stock market is up. Experts of all backgrounds have warned 
that the collapse in the real economy would inevitably cause 
enormous losses for banks. For almost a year, you have ignored 
the pleading from me and others, including former Fed Chairs, 
to stop bank dividends and protect the financial system.
    I applaud the Fed's recent recognition that it needs to 
address racial inequality, but another lessons from 2008 is 
that a financial crisis would disproportionately destroy the 
wealth and opportunity for peoples of color. If the Fed is 
going to take the racial wealth gap seriously, it must take 
financial stability seriously. You simply have not. Last week, 
80 million voters rejected that thinking.
    Chair McWilliams, the FDIC is supposed to ensure the 
viability of small banks, keeping your deposits safe so they 
can be put to work in our communities. Instead, you have gutted 
rules that were meant to keep mega banks from crashing the 
entire system, risking a repeat of the hundreds of community 
bank failures that happened in the last crisis. You approved a 
merger that created yet another too-big-to-fail bank that will 
likely muscle smaller community banks out of existence. You 
have attempted to force out experienced banking experts during 
an economic crisis. Most recently, you decided to distort data 
that proves millions of households do not have all the banking 
services they need. You did it by literally erasing those 
families from the FDIC report. Those underbanked households are 
many of the same people that would suffer if you got your way 
and gutted the Community Reinvestment Act.
    Your tenure has certainly made life easier for big bank 
executives. I will give you that. But it is going to hurt the 
communities your agency is supposed to serve. Last week, 80 
million voters rejected that thinking.
    Acting Comptroller Brooks, OneWest, the bank that you and 
Secretary Mnuchin and Joseph Otting worked at was known, as you 
know, as a ``foreclosure machine.'' It makes no sense that the 
outgoing President handed the wheels of the economy to so many 
people who had a hand in crashing it in 2008. Even though you 
are running the OCC without the approval of the Senate, you 
have made sweeping changes to regulations to benefit the same 
corporations you used to lobby for. It is exactly this kind of 
self-dealing that has eroded so many Americans' trust in their 
Government and the economy. And last week, 80 million American 
voters rejected that thinking.
    And, Chair Hood, you are the only one on the panel I voted 
for for confirmation. The credit unions you regulate are often 
the only ones providing credit in Black and Brown communities 
and small towns in rural America. You are in a unique position 
to help Americans left out of our financial system, but instead 
of standing up for them, it seems like you are more focused on 
currying favor with the outgoing President and the photo ops 
that used to come along with it.
    Last week, 80 million voters rejected that thinking. We now 
have an opportunity for the financial regulators to do what 
they should be doing to help. Elections have consequences. The 
Wall Street first attitude of the Trump administration is over. 
President-elect Biden--my colleagues on this Committee all know 
that he is the President-elect. Fear, I suppose, keeps them 
from saying it. President-elect Biden will have the opportunity 
to install watchdogs at these agencies who will put working 
families and their communities first and will give America 
confidence that their Government is on their side.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    We will now turn to Senator Toomey.
    Senator Toomey. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    I would like to begin by congratulating each of our 
witnesses. I want to congratulate you on doing some outstanding 
work during an incredibly difficult time. Think about what we 
have been through as a country: the worst pandemic in 100 
years, and the first time in the history of the Republic that 
Governments, our State Governments mostly but also to some 
degree the Federal Government, intentionally closed our 
economy. Never even been contemplated before much less actually 
take place.
    So the economy was shut down. It was illegal to go to work, 
illegal to operate a business, and we all understand why. But 
what I find is absolutely extraordinary, as we look back on 
these last several months, is, despite that unprecedented 
catastrophic elimination almost of our economy for some period 
of time, yet almost no bank failures; and, in fact, the banking 
industry of America rose to the challenge, small banks and 
medium-sized banks, especially, providing credit to small 
businesses, medium-sized business consumers on a scale that 
most of us probably never imagined. The financial institutions 
weathered the storm because they were well regulated, well 
capitalized, read, able, and willing, and, in fact, they did 
respond to the need of their customers, the men and women who 
run the small businesses and employ so many millions of 
Americans. It is a remarkable success story.
    And it leads me to a point I want to stress, which is part 
of what made that possible was the CARES Act and the 13(3) 
lending facilities. I want to just stress--and this is 
especially for Vice Chairman Quarles because this is relevant 
for the Fed. I believe that those facilities were a remarkable 
success by any reasonable measure. They were intended to 
restart the private lending of America's economy, to provide a 
backstop so that private capital could flow and businesses 
could borrow and, therefore, stay alive, keep their workers in 
place to the extent possible, and we would have an economy when 
we got to the other side.
    Well, what has happened is as soon as those programs were 
authorized and set up, capital started flowing, actually like 
never before. The corporate market, corporate bond market, 
high-yield as well as high-quality credit, all-time record 
issuances. Bank lending off the charts. Liquidity was available 
and available very, very quickly. And that is a big part of the 
reason the economy has recovered as rapidly as it is. We all 
know it is not done yet. We have got work left to do. But how 
many economists anywhere in the world thought that we would 
have an unemployment rate below 7 percent at the end of 
October? People thought it was be 10 percent at the end of 
December, and it is not.
    So this series of programs did their job. The private 
sector is providing the capital that is needed. It is now time 
to terminate these programs, which is exactly what was 
contemplated by the legislation and, frankly, to take a victory 
lap that we have gotten our economy back on track. It is not 
done yet, but it is definitely heading very much in the right 
direction.
    A couple of quick questions. One, I just want to follow up 
on a question raised by the Chairman, and I guess this is--I 
will start with Vice Chairman Quarles. There was a discussion 
about some of the increased regulatory burden on banks, 
especially small- and medium-sized banks, for no reason other 
than the fact that they really stepped up and responded in this 
crisis by providing credit. That swelled their balance sheets, 
and that has triggered, for those especially who crossed the 
$10 billion threshold, a number of costly regulatory 
provisions, one of the most problematic of which is the 
Government-mandated price fixings of the interchange fees. So I 
would just urge you to consider ways in which you might ensure 
that we do not punish banks that really did exactly what their 
communities needed when they needed it.
    I would like to ask also about the transition away from 
LIBOR, and I am mostly concerned about orphan contracts, those 
contracts that have existed in some cases for years and extend 
into the future, and they assume a LIBOR index is available for 
ongoing payments. What are we going to do about these orphan 
contracts, these contracts that are currently existing and they 
do not end until after the date on which we expect LIBOR to no 
longer be operative?
    Mr. Quarles. So I think we need to consider a mechanism 
that would allow those so-called legacy contracts, the great 
bulk of them, to mature on their existing basis without having 
to be renegotiated and shifted to a new rate, without allowing 
the continuation of the writing of new contracts during the 
period that that legacy is running off.
    I think there are a variety of ways to do that. The banks 
have been discussing that. We have been discussing it with the 
banks. It is an international issue as well. We have been 
discussing it through the FSB and directly with the United 
Kingdom, which has a special responsibility for LIBOR. And I 
think that within the next month or two, we should have a plan 
to share that would address them.
    Senator Toomey. So, you know, obviously LIBOR is a 
reference based on the eurodollar deposit market. There is a 
eurodollar deposit market, and it continues. Would it make 
sense to simply have a different mechanism for establishing 
what the offered side of that market is?
    Mr. Quarles. We could think about that. That could be a so-
called synthetic LIBOR, and synthetic reference rates are 
something that the Bank of England and the FCA in the United 
Kingdom have thought about. I think in the United States, 
because of our different sort of litigation framework, I would 
want to think of other ways to try to address that issue before 
we move in that direction.
    Senator Toomey. Thank you.
    Mr. Chairman, I do not see a clock. Am I out of time?
    Chairman Crapo. Yes. You are actually a little over.
    Senator Toomey. OK. I apologize and I will yield.
    Chairman Crapo. I will have to do better at my gaveling.
    Senator Reed.
    Senator Reed. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and 
thank you to the panelists for your testimony.
    Vice Chairman Quarles, in a speech on September 23, 2020, 
you agreed with Chair Powell that it will take continuous 
support to stay in a robust recovery, which implies a second 
major COVID bill along the lines of the CARES Act. Is that 
still your position?
    Mr. Quarles. So I think I would say whether there is to be 
another round of CARES Act stimulus is ultimately, of course, a 
question for the Congress. As we look currently at the 
evolution of the economy, as Senator Toomey noted, the economy 
is recovering more robustly and more rapidly than we had 
expected in the spring, even than we expected a couple of 
months ago. Each time that we get new reports out, the numbers 
improve.
    I think probably the most accurate thing to say would be 
that additional support would accelerate a recovery that is 
underway, but I would not want to say at this point that you 
would say that it was necessary.
    Senator Reed. Well, that is essentially what I think 
Chairman Powell has said and you said just not too long ago. 
One of the major aspects of the CARES Act was to support the 
State and local Government, and it is, I think, critical to do 
that because I hear from not only my Governor but Governors 
across the Nation that they are running into really difficult 
choices in terms of cutting public services and raising taxes. 
And without additional support, they will have to do that, 
which I do not think will help stimulate the economy or aid a 
recovery.
    So what is your view of State and local assistance as we 
did in the CARES Act?
    Mr. Quarles. Well, I think you need to draw a distinction 
between the types of support that the Fed provides, which is 
backstop lending, which for many State and local Governments 
may not be the answer to their issues for them to acquire more 
debt. There are limits on the amount of indebtedness they can 
acquire for almost all of them. And our terms require that--you 
know, our policies require that they be made on certain terms 
from a decision that the Congress might make to extend 
additional fiscal support. And the latter would be something 
that, again, would be a decision that the Congress would make 
and would require quite different tools than the Federal 
Reserve has.
    Senator Reed. Right, it would complement what you are 
doing, and in addition to the additional resources, 
flexibility. Right now the States are prevented from using 
their resources to cover lost revenue, which for many States is 
the critical problem they have. And, in fact, the chief policy 
officer of the Chamber of Commerce pointed out that this has 
been a lead to really replacing the lost-time revenue with 
program tax increases, which is not usually considered to be 
stimulative. So do you think the flexibility is needed?
    Mr. Quarles. Again, with respect to the municipalities, I 
think that I can speak to what the Federal Reserve can do, and 
the decision to provide the broader range of support would be 
something for the Congress to debate and decide.
    Senator Reed. Mr. Chairman, do I have additional time? I 
have one more question for Chairman McWilliams.
    Chairman Crapo. You have 50 seconds.
    Senator Reed. Thank you very much.
    Chairman McWilliams, in 50 seconds, this might be more of a 
final point by me. We are facing a housing tsunami. The 
National Council of State Housing Agencies indicated that U.S. 
renters will owe up to $34 billion in past-due rent by January, 
increasing eviction filings, imposing punishing financial 
hardship on millions in just a few months. We could have in 
January--and that is not too far away--thousands, hundreds of 
thousands of people being evicted or foreclosed; and in the 
midst of a pandemic where sleeping five in a bedroom is not the 
best medical advice I think doctors would give, that could 
happen, probably, and indeed I think we have to do something. 
So I would hope that you and your colleagues in the housing 
community will be thinking hard about supporting efforts to 
provide financial relief to these renters. Eventually, it will 
hit the banks because, as they foreclose on the mom-and-pop 
landlords, they will have a lot of property on their hands 
which might not be very valuable. So I would hope you would do 
that.
    Respecting the Chairman and his graciousness, thank you 
very much, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you, Senator Reed.
    Senator Scott.
    Senator Scott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you to 
the panel for being here with us this afternoon.
    I will start with Acting Comptroller Brooks and Chairman 
Hood. Since this Committee's last oversight hearing, your 
agencies have launched initiatives aimed at promoting broader 
financial inclusion: Project REACh at the OCC and the ACCESS 
initiative at NCUA. As someone who spent much of my time in 
Congress and now in the Senate working to identify and reduce 
barriers to economic mobility and opportunity and to expand 
access to credit and capital, especially for underserved 
communities, I was deeply encouraged by these initiatives. I 
would love to have an update both on REACh as well as ACCESS. 
Perhaps, Mr. Brooks?
    Mr. Brooks. Well, thank you, Senator Scott, and thank you 
for your continued engagement on these issues. I very much 
enjoyed our event together in South Carolina where we looked at 
the intersection between Project REACh, the CRA, and your 
opportunity zones bill. So I think this was a terrific 
dialogue.
    On Project REACh, I think most of you are aware that 
Project REACh has three major components at the national level. 
One is to convene bankers, civil rights groups, and tech 
executives around the idea of building a synthetic credit score 
for the 45 million Americans who do not have one. The reason 
that matters is that in America, the principal way that most 
families build wealth generationally is through home ownership, 
and, you know, it is hard to buy a house in this country 
without a mortgage, and you cannot get a mortgage without a 
credit score.
    So the 45 million so-called credit invisibles are hugely 
disproportionately Black and Hispanic, so this is a major civil 
rights issue for our time. And yet it turns out that giving 
those people credit for their rent payments, their utility 
payments, and their cash-flows and their bank accounts, which 
most of them have, is relatively easily doable. So I think that 
we are not very far away from an announcement of a version 1.0 
of a new kind of credit score, working closely with the Big 
Three credit bureaus and the companies I just mentioned, to 
allow those people the opportunity to be considered for home 
mortgages. That will be a game changer when that becomes 
available, and I think that will be available this year.
    The second piece has to do with the 20-percent downpayment 
requirement that most Americans face in buying houses, and, 
again, the percentage of people who inherit money to make a 20-
percent downpayment is disproportionately favoring, you know, 
Whites and Asians and disproportionately disfavoring Blacks and 
Hispanics who more often than others did not inherit money 
generationally and, thus, have a very hard time meeting that 
threshold.
    Downpayment assistance programs have offered some support 
for that, but we think that a more radical examination of the 
system is required, and various participants in Project REACh 
have talked about different ways of closing the downpayment 
gap. One of those ways has to do with the possibility of equity 
financing as well as debt financing for home ownership, and 
there are a lot of people who are very enthusiastic about the 
ability of drawing new capital sources into the housing market 
for that. So these are all very good.
    One of the most important things we are working on here is 
reinvigorating the commitment of large banks to support 
minority depository institutions in their communities, so the 
other piece in Project REACh we expect to be announced very 
shortly is the Project REACh MDI Pledge, in which big banks 
will commit not only to supporting MDIs financially, but also 
through engaging in executive training programs and rotational 
programs and real business partnerships designed to make MDIs 
successful, not just to preserve their existence but to make 
them successful in their communities. And the reason that 
matters a lot is that MDIs are the trust builders in certain 
communities. They are the reason why many African Americans who 
do not feel comfortable, for example, interacting with big 
banks who they may have felt scammed them in the past do feel 
comfortable approaching MDIs in their own communities, and that 
is an important entry point into the banking system.
    Senator Scott. Thank you very much.
    Chair Hood?
    Mr. Hood. Thank you, Senator Scott. Since becoming the 
Chairman of NCUA, I have long advocated that financial 
inclusion is indeed the civil rights issue of our generation. 
To that end, I was very pleased to work with my agency 
colleagues to recently launch ACCESS, that is, Advancing 
Communities through Credit, Education, Stability, & Support. 
The first piece is credit. We are going to need to continue to 
have small-dollar loan products when we live in a society where 
40 percent of American households could not come up with $400 
in an emergency. That percentage grows to 60 percent in 
communities of color and, sadly, 90 percent in disabled 
communities. So we want to work to ensure that individuals will 
have access to low-dollar amounts, small-dollar loans. I am 
pleased that credit unions today have made 171,000 loans that 
are really helping provide small-dollar loans, but we want to 
do more, and we especially want to do more in minority 
communities.
    Another piece is education. How do we provide the 
educational coaching and help and financial well-being so folks 
cannot just get into the credit system, but how do they remain 
in it sustainably? So we are working with groups such as 
Operation HOPE and others who can really help propel 
individuals into the mainstream economy.
    The next piece is stability. Mr. Brooks just talked about 
minority depositories. We at NCUA supervise 509 MDIs. We want 
to do more than strengthen them. We want to make sure that they 
are empowered to succeed and touching communities of color who 
traditionally have been left on the margins of economic 
success. So we are continuing to provide mentoring 
relationships. We are providing technical assistance and 
grants. We want to even encourage them to work in opportunity 
zones that you champion. In addition to stability with MDIs, we 
also want to support our low-income designated credit unions 
and CDFIs as well because they are all on the front line when 
it comes to providing mainstream financial access.
    The last piece is support. Support looks for us in the 
chance of looking at employment opportunities. If people are 
going to have mainstream success, they are going to need to 
have jobs. So we have implemented the Second Chance Initiative 
where individuals who may have had nonviolent, noncriminal 
offenses can now work in our credit unions. And we are also 
looking at a pipeline for the future where we are providing 
opportunities for students of colors and others to enter in the 
financial services industry. So that, sir, is Operation ACCESS. 
Thank you.
    Senator Scott. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I know that I am 
about a minute over my time. I will just close with these 
comments. I am going to submit some more questions for the 
record to Chairwoman McWilliams as well as Vice Chairman 
Quarles.
    Mr. Brooks, thank you for you approach in coming to 
Charleston and being willing to go across this country 
promoting ways to help the credit invisible as well as to lower 
the challenges or hurdles around downpayments. Your work has 
been, frankly, some of the most nonpartisan--not bipartisan but 
nonpartisan work I have been a part of. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Senator.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    Senator Menendez.
    Senator Menendez. Thank you, Chairman.
    Earlier this year, the House Select Subcommittee on the 
Coronavirus Crisis found that the Treasury Department privately 
encouraged lenders to prioritize existing customers when 
issuing Paycheck Protection Program loans, leaving many 
minority-owned small businesses without access to important 
Federal aid.
    So, Comptroller Brooks and Chair McWilliams, were you aware 
that Treasury privately encouraged banks to focus on their PPP 
lending to existing customers? A simple yes or no would do.
    Mr. Brooks. So, Senator Menendez, thank you for that 
question. I was not aware that there was such a thing, and I am 
not aware today. I do know that there were some issues around 
Bank Secrecy Act/Anti-Money Laundering (BSA/AML) compliance 
which did lead some banks to make those judgments themselves 
because they had already vetted their existing customers. But I 
am not aware of what you suggest just now.
    Ms. McWilliams. Likewise, Senator Menendez, I was not 
aware, but I know that initially banks were--we were asking 
them to originate these loans quickly to get into the economy 
so that people can get paid and make their payments, and as a 
result of that, reaching out to existing customers alleviated 
some of the burdensome----
    Senator Menendez. You said you did not know. Neither of you 
knew. But the head of the American Banking Association told its 
board of directors, ``Treasury would like for banks to go to 
their existing customer base.'' And JPMorgan corroborate this 
account, explaining, ``From early on there was an understanding 
from Treasury that banks would be working with existing 
clients.''
    So you must have known that at least this was unofficial 
guidance. Did you push back in that regard?
    Mr. Brooks. So, Senator Menendez, maybe I can start with an 
answer to that. So early on in the PPP rollout, one of the 
things that we identified across our banks was not that they 
were favoring their existing customers; it was that they were 
having a hard time doing Know Your Customer, as I say, another 
compliance for new clients in the door in a rapid response 
framework. So one of the things we did at the OCC is we 
convened a set of listening sessions with banks who were having 
that difficulty and fintechs that had adopted various Know Your 
Customer and customer identity verification tools to allow them 
to quickly originate loans to people that were not already in 
their system.
    We know anecdotally that that listening session had some 
results, that there were some partnerships that resulted in 
that, and particularly in the mid-size and community bank group 
inside of the OCC, they were able to ramp up new customer 
support.
    Ms. McWilliams. And, Senator Menendez, from the FDIC, 
community banks were proactively reaching their customers, and 
to the extent that they had new inquiries from new customers, 
they had to go through the due diligence that, frankly, the 
agency is required----
    Senator Menendez. Did either you or the FDIC or the OCC 
encourage banks to extent PPP lending beyond their customer 
base?
    Mr. Brooks. So, Senator, speaking for the OCC, absolutely. 
That was the purpose of those listening sessions that I 
mentioned. They were attended by----
    Senator Menendez. Beyond listening, did you urge them to 
extend beyond their customer base?
    Mr. Brooks. Yes, the whole announced point of the listening 
session was to help them overcome the hurdles to get to new 
customers.
    Senator Menendez. Well, I would just simply say many 
minority-owned small businesses do not have existing banking 
relationships, and Treasury's decision to encourage banks to 
prioritize PPP loans to their existing customers and from my 
perspective both the FDIC and OCC inaction has had devastating 
consequences on our Nation's minority-owned small businesses. 
Limiting PPP loans to banking customers left minority small 
businesses out of $670 billion of Federal aid. Now 41 percent 
of Black-owned small businesses, 32 percent of Latino-owned 
small businesses are permanently closed because of the 
pandemic. This was avoidable. It is avoidable. And it is a 
shame that that is, in fact, what took place.
    Let me ask you, Comptroller Brooks, in May I asked former 
Comptroller Otting about your agency's work on the Community 
Reinvestment Act. At the time Mr. Otting stated that despite 
the pandemic and evidence that the PPP lending was failing to 
serve minority communities, the OCC should accelerate its work 
on
implementing the CRA rule, a rule that most in the civil rights 
community oppose.
    Since then, the Federal Reserve issued its own Advanced 
Notice of Proposed Rulemaking that invites comments from 
stakeholders on how the CRA can be strengthened to meet its 
core purposes of reinvesting in low-income communities.
    When the Fed issued this ANPR, you stated, ``I have told 
the Fed that if they get good comments in response to their 
rulemaking, we are not beyond the prospect of finding ways of 
improving it even more.'' But can you clarify what exactly you 
meant by that? It seems to me that the Fed is likely going to 
receive comments from the civil rights community and other 
comments that track what they have stated in response to your 
rulemaking. The OCC disregarded a lot of that at the time. What 
would lead you to change your mind now?
    Mr. Brooks. Well, Senator Menendez, the first thing I would 
say is that the Fed's ANPR is so similar to the OCC's final 
rule in its substantive elements as to be almost 
indistinguishable in terms of their change in geographic 
assessment areas, their inclusion of Native American country, 
small family farms, and other things that were originated in 
the OCC's rule. We frankly took it as imitation being the 
sincerest form of flattery when it came to their ANPR.
    The main difference between the Fed's ANPR and the OCC's 
rule is that the Fed appears to continue to prefer subjective 
and discretionary performance assessments; whereas, our view is 
these things should be more objective and predictable over 
time. But what I really meant was I think both the Fed and the 
OCC recognized that the status quo is simply untenable. The 
status quo had been tied to bank branches as the only areas 
incentivized for lending and investment, and banks have pulled 
more than 10,000 branches out of minority communities over the 
last 25 years. So our basic view was we need to make the system 
better, and if there is a way of making it still better next 
year, we are happy to do that. But letting it sit for another 2 
years in the current status quo was, in our view, an 
unacceptable option.
    Senator Menendez. I think it is always telling that the 
entire civil rights community has a much different point of 
view, and if anyone is an advocate for these people, it is 
them.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    Senator Rounds.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    First of all, to all of our panelists, thank you very much 
for participating today.
    Vice Chairman Quarles, as I said in the past, we should not 
be making it harder than necessary for banks to do their jobs 
considering that we are really relying on the banks to lift our 
economy out of the COVID slump. As we look ahead to the end of 
2020, however, I am worried that unnecessary regulatory burdens 
will only increase. The Fed's actions to temporarily exclude 
low- and no-risk assets from the supplemental leverage ratio 
made sense given the flight to cash that took place at the 
onset of the coronavirus pandemic. The G-SIB surcharge, on the 
other hand, is said to be calculated at the end of the year but 
has not been adjusted to take the same considerations into 
account. I am concerned that not providing a similar adjustment 
for the G-SIB surcharge could prevent institutions that have 
the broadest and deepest reach into our economy from doing 
their jobs when we need their help the most.
    Would you agree with me that it would make sense to extend 
the low-risk asset exclusion from the supplemental leverage 
ratio to the G-SIB surcharge since the G-SIB surcharge 
calculations are imminent?
    Mr. Quarles. So I think there is a logical analogy there. I 
think what we have seen with respect to the G-SIB surcharge 
calculations is that we are not hearing from the large firms 
that are affected by them, that the changes in their balance 
sheet over the period of the COVID event are leading them to 
possibly being pushed up into a higher bucket or leading them 
to contract activity in a way that we would not want at a time 
when we want the most support for the real economy so that that 
does not happen.
    In general, my view on the G-SIB surcharge is--you know, we 
calculated our G-SIB surcharge at the high level, and as we 
look at the final implementation of the Basel III framework, 
which I intend to accomplish over the course of the next year, 
we should then look at the overall package of measures that 
were put in place before these last measures that we will 
implement--that includes the G-SIB surcharge and many others--
and ensure that they are all calibrated so that the level of 
capital in the system remains roughly the same as we put these 
new measures in. I think that is the right time to look at the 
calibration of the G-SIB surcharge.
    If we were hearing from a lot of firms that there was a 
real problem that was arising, as we were hearing with respect 
to the supplemental leverage ratio, that might be a different 
story. But at the moment we are not.
    Senator Rounds. It will be interesting to see what their 
thoughts are after today's hearing as to whether or not they 
want to make contact with you. Thank you for that.
    Chairman McWilliams, last month the FDIC released its 
latest annual survey of the household use of banking and 
financial services. I was very surprised to see that there was 
actually an increase in the percentage of American Indian 
households that are unbanked from 2015 to 2019 and that the 
percentage of Native American households that are unbanked is 
roughly 10 times as high as a household making the average 
income from a family in South Dakota.
    Given the critical importance that banking services will 
have on our economy recovery, particularly in vulnerable areas 
like Native American reservations, which not only are they 
people of color but literally you are talking about living on 
reservations as well, providing ample access to credit is going 
to be critical in the weeks and the months ahead.
    What more can we be doing to help reduce the number of 
unbanked and underbanked Native Americans in the near future 
but also long term?
    Ms. McWilliams. Thank you, Senator Rounds, for that 
question, and it is frankly one of those issues that have been 
very close to my heart in figuring out how can we get more 
people to become a part of the banking system, recognizing that 
the Native American community has been particularly impacted in 
this area.
    I think this is where, frankly, innovation and encouraging 
banks to work with fintechs in providing the path for them to 
do so in a responsible way with respect to consumer protection 
and safety and soundness is going to be pivotal to be able to 
ensure that those communities have access to credit, access to 
banking accounts. Also, trying to help the minority depository 
institutions, especially Native American MDIs that serve those 
areas in particular, and specifically to have access to 
capital, and I mentioned in my opening statement we are 
creating a somewhat unprecedented fund that will be managed by 
an outside party that others can invest in, and that fund would 
go to help MDIs, and my hope would be quite a bit of help would 
go to the Native American MDIs, minority depository 
institutions, to offer banking products.
    So we are heavily focused on this, and I am happy to sit 
down with you and brief you on some of the other efforts.
    Senator Rounds. Thank you. And, Mr. Chairman, I suspect 
that my time has expired.
    Chairman Crapo. It just did.
    Senator Rounds. All right. Very good. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman. Thank you for your response.
    Chairman Crapo. Senator Tester.
    Senator Tester. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking 
Member Brown, and I thank all the folks who are here testifying 
today. I appreciate it very much.
    I am going to start with you, Vice Chairman Quarles. I want 
to go back to a question that Jack Reed had asked you, and it 
revolves around the need for additional dollars in the economy, 
what Powell had said, what you had agreed with that statement 
awhile back. And I just want to give you an opportunity to 
clarify, and I want to preface this question by saying we have 
125,000 infections a day, which is an incredible number. 
Experts are saying it will be 200,000 a day by the end of this 
month. Hospitals are full. They are full all over the place. In 
fact, my wife had major surgery last week. Her recovery was in 
the pediatric unit, and I said, ``Why is my wife in the 
pediatric unit?'' And they said, ``Because the hospital is full 
of COVID patients.'' This was the only bed they had.
    So my question is that we have got schools, both K-12, 
university units, we have got municipalities, we have got 
working families, we have got small businesses. There are a 
number of folks out there that are still in a world of hurt. I 
had a doctor tell me 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, that January, 
February, and March may be the toughest months this Nation has 
ever endured, which is a hell of a statement. So tell me what--
if you really meant that, that there is not any need for any 
additional stimulus? Or what exactly did you say?
    Mr. Quarles. So I think that the--well, Senator Reed's 
question was, I think, particularly in the context of the 
municipal facilities and what could be done there. I do think 
that we are with each--I would not want to understate at all 
the degree to which many people in the country continue to 
struggle as a result of the COVID event. The question that I 
was trying to respond to was with
regard to the type of support that would be appropriate for 
them and drawing the distinction between is this support----
    Senator Tester. So let me cut to this, Randal. My 
question--and it is different than Senator Reed's--is: Do you 
think that there needs to be another stimulus package generally 
speaking focused on the economy of this country, whether it is 
municipalities, whether it is schools, whether it is small 
business, whether it is unemployed families? Do you think there 
needs to be another package?
    Mr. Quarles. So, again, I think that as a central banker I 
should leave those decisions to the Congress. I do not think--
--
    Senator Tester. Come on, come on, come on, come on. A month 
ago you gave us your two bits on this deal, and now you are 
not. I voted for you, OK? I thought you would be--I thought you 
would not have politics into this. It seems to me that since 
the election there is a different point of view now, and that 
drives me crazy.
    Mr. Quarles. No, it is a result of the fact that the 
economy is recovering faster than any of us expected.
    Senator Tester. OK. OK, I got it. So you guys do not--it is 
from the very get-go on this pandemic, the economy has followed 
this pandemic right down the line, and we do not have to shut 
down any businesses. I guarantee you when people--when the 
hospitals are full and people are dying in record numbers, that 
information gets out there, and people do not go out period. I 
have got two brothers that are older than I am that go out 
very, very seldom because of this pandemic.
    So my question is--and I guess your answer is no, we do not 
need any additional money infused in the economy, and if it is, 
that is fine.
    Mr. Quarles. Senator, my answer is that as a central banker 
I should not try to subsume the role of the Congress. I think 
the Fed facilities are limited in what it is that they can do.
    Senator Tester. Vice Chairman Powell, I want to try to be 
fair, but--I mean Vice Chairman Quarles--but when Powell said 
it, you said, ``I agree.'' Now you are saying, ``I do not want 
to make a statement on this.'' And you are a central banker, 
and, in fact, you do have major impacts on the economy, and 
decisions you make and what you advocate for, actually people 
like me actually listen to you. And you are saying, ``That is 
not my problem anymore. There will be a new Administration in 2 
or 3 months, so what the heck, what happens happens.'' Is that 
right?
    Mr. Quarles. No, that really is not what I am saying, 
Senator.
    Senator Tester. All right. But I certainly did not get an 
answer to the question of whether we need more money into the 
economy or not.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I have got to tell you I am 
very disappointed in that perspective considering it was 
totally different a few months ago.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you.
    Senator Kennedy.
    Senator Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can you hear me 
OK?
    Chairman Crapo. Yes.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. Let me know, Mike, when my time is 
getting close.
    Mr. Quarles, what percentage of small- and medium-sized 
American businesses in your judgment are losing money right 
now?
    Mr. Quarles. I do not know that percentage, Senator. I 
could find it out.
    Senator Kennedy. I am not trying to trick you. I am just 
trying to get your sense of the economy. Do you think it is 
more than half? Less than half? What is your hunch?
    Mr. Quarles. The number of businesses that are losing money 
right now I would----
    Senator Kennedy. Small- and medium-sized----
    Mr. Quarles.----say small businesses is probably less than 
half, but I would want to get an accurate answer for you. I do 
not know the answer to that statement.
    Senator Kennedy. Yes, I read--the Economist had a piece 
yesterday saying that as best they forecast, it is between a 
third and 40 percent. Now, these are small- and medium-sized 
businesses. But that is most businesses in America in terms of 
jobs.
    What is your sense of the economy in terms of whether we 
have recovered from the coronavirus yet, economically of 
course, and how long it is going to take us to get back to our 
pre-virus GDP?
    Mr. Quarles. No, we obviously have not recovered. 
Unemployment rates are still very elevated, and I may have 
over-obsessed on the question of whether it was half or not. 
There clearly is a lot of distress among small businesses. 
There is a great deal more recovery to be done in the country. 
The length of time that that would take I think is hard to 
tell. It is dependent on perceptions of the course of the 
virus. It is dependent----
    Senator Kennedy. Randy, what is your gut? I mean, are we 
going to--at this time next year will we have recovered to our 
pre-coronavirus GDP? Or do you think it is going to take 
longer? What is your gut?
    Mr. Quarles. No, my projection, for what it is worth, is 
that it would take longer than a year. I would expect us to be 
toward our pre-COVID levels 2022, maybe early 2023.
    Senator Kennedy. If we did more stimulus and it was 
targeted in the right way--let us suppose we did more PPP--
would that help? Could we shorten the amount of time?
    Mr. Quarles. It would accelerate the speed of the economic 
recovery. I think that is unquestionable.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. Let me talk to you just for a few 
minutes about the Treasury market. It almost froze up, did it 
not?
    Mr. Quarles. For a period there in March, yes, there was 
severe distress. It almost froze up. That is fair to say.
    Senator Kennedy. I mean, people throughout the world were 
actually trying to dump Treasurys in exchange for dollars, were 
they not?
    Mr. Quarles. Yes. There was spilling in many different 
quarters and all around the world.
    Senator Kennedy. So when we had the meltdown in 2008-9, 
everybody was running to Treasurys as a safe haven. This time 
they did not even want Treasurys. They wanted dollars, cash. Am 
I right?
    Mr. Quarles. That is correct.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. If you want to unload Treasurys or buy 
them, you have got to go through a primary dealer, do you not? 
Is the proper term ``primary dealer'' or ``primary broker''?
    Mr. Quarles. Primary dealers are----
    Senator Kennedy. Primary dealer.
    Mr. Quarles. Yes, sort of the central dealers in the 
Treasury market. I mean, Treasury securities can be sold and 
cash can be obtained from Treasury securities in other ways, 
but they are critical.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. How many primary dealers do we have?
    Mr. Quarles. It is about 29.
    Senator Kennedy. OK. Why do we have to go through primary 
dealers? Why don't we set up a system--I mean, the primary 
dealers were part of the problem, which is why you guys had to 
step in.
    Chairman Crapo. And you have about 30 seconds, Senator 
Kennedy.
    Senator Kennedy. Thank you. Why don't we set up a system 
where we do not use primary dealers, where people can trade 
with each other? Mr. Quarles?
    Chairman Crapo. You know, we had a little bit of trouble 
with Mr. Quarles' audio at the beginning, and it looks like we 
may have just lost him again.
    Senator Kennedy. Can I have my time back?
    Chairman Crapo. You can have 30 seconds, Senator Kennedy.
    Senator Kennedy. That is all I need.
    Chairman Crapo. But not for Mr. Quarles right now, unless 
you want to speak to him, yes.
    Senator Kennedy. He is gone, right?
    Chairman Crapo. Yes. He may be able to hear us.
    Senator Kennedy. Well, that is pretty convenient.
    [Laughter.]
    Senator Kennedy. You hit the old ``disappear'' button. Well 
played there, Randy.
    Let me ask another one of the people, why do we use all 
these primary dealers. Why don't we just set up a system where 
people could trade with each other? Whomever.
    Chairman Crapo. Oh, he is back.
    Mr. Quarles. I am back. Did that fail again? No, I am back. 
And that was not strategic. I do want to answer the question. I 
think it is fair, Senator, for us to look at secondary market 
trading of Treasurys going forward. That is a lesson learned, 
and we have an interagency working group put together to look 
at alternatives, just as your question would suggest.
    Senator Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you, Senator Kennedy.
    Next is Senator Warren.
    Senator Warren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you to 
our witnesses for being here.
    So all of you are in charge of making sure that regulating 
the banks and credit unions to make sure that when the economy 
is in serious trouble, our financial system is going to be able 
to weather the storm. So Americans' jobs and homes and 
livelihoods depend on your getting this right.
    One way the Federal Reserve monitors the soundness of the 
financial system is to conduct stress tests on the largest 
banks to see if they are going to be able to handle a severe 
down turn.
    Now, in the most recent analysis, which was 5 months ago, 
the Fed noted that firms' capital forecasts ``tend to be 
strongly dependent on the assumption that there will be 
additional rounds of economic stimulus.'' In other words, banks 
are in good shape if the Federal Government passes a strong 
stimulus bill to help the people in businesses that are 
struggling because of the pandemic.
    Vice Chairman Quarles, the Fed's analysis was released in 
June. Did the assumption that was built into the stress test 
occur? Has Congress passed any additional economic stimulus 
since June?
    Mr. Quarles. Senator, the answer to that is no, the 
Congress----
    Senator Warren. OK. So there has been no economic stimulus 
in the 5 months since you released that report saying how much 
the banks needed the economic stimulus.
    Now, 6 months ago, however, House Democrats passed a 
comprehensive relief bill, and for 6 months Mitch McConnell has 
refused to let the Senate vote on that bill. In the meantime, 
unemployment benefits ran out, evictions resumed, State budgets 
cratered, and Black and Brown workers paid the highest price.
    So I am worried because this creates a very dangerous 
cycle. When families and small businesses lose Federal help and 
they cannot pay their loans, then the banks and then our entire 
financial system are at risk. And sure enough, the banks are 
now reporting that they anticipate higher loan default rates.
    So, Vice Chairman Quarles, without stimulus, do the banks 
and the financial system run more risk? Hello? Have we lost the 
Vice Chair?
    Chairman Crapo. It sounds like we have lost the Vice Chair 
again. I am sorry, Senator Warren.
    Senator Warren. So this is something that only works for 
the Vice Chair, I mean the Fed here.
    Chairman Crapo. Actually, he is the only one we have had 
the problem with so far. It was there at the beginning of the 
hearing. We actually----
    Senator Warren. I am not suggesting this was strategic. I 
am just asking--Mr. Chairman, do you want to let somebody else 
go and have me finish my question when we get the Vice Chair 
back? What would you like to do?
    Chairman Crapo. Well, the next on my list is Senator 
Schatz. Do you have questions for some other than Mr. Quarles?
    Senator Schatz. All of my questions are for Mr. Quarles.
    Chairman Crapo. OK. Well, then, next after you is Senator 
Van Hollen. He may not be with us. He is signed in. Senator 
Cortez Masto--wait, Senator Van Hollen is here.
    Senator Van Hollen. I am here. The good news is I am here, 
Mr. Chairman. The bad news is I also have some questions for 
Mr. Quarles.
    Chairman Crapo. OK. We are doing our best to get it back up 
with Mr. Quarles. Senator Jones?
    Well, I do not know what to do, folks, because----
    Senator Cortez Masto. Actually, Mr. Chairman, I do have 
some questions for other----
    Chairman Crapo. Oh, yes. Senator Cortez Masto, you can help 
us out here, hopefully.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. I so 
appreciate the opportunity.
    Let me start with Acting Comptroller Brooks with the true 
lender rule. Do you still intend to move forward with the true 
lender rule?
    Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Senator Cortez Masto. We do. As you 
know, we have just finalized that rule, and, you know, we 
believe that it is important for a wide variety of reasons, the 
most important of which perhaps is solving the age-old problem 
of rent a charter, where banks were disclaiming responsibility 
for loans they originated. One of the purposes of the true 
lender rule is to focus compliance obligations where it 
belongs, which is the bank that holds itself out as the lender.
    Senator Cortez Masto. So can I ask you then why are there--
if I am not mistaken, there are 13 national consumer and civil 
rights groups and more than 100 groups submitted comment 
letters that your proposed rule would facilitate fraudulent 
predatory rent-a-bank schemes and otherwise undercutting the 
interest rates that States have set on some of these loans. How 
do you address that?
    Mr. Brooks. Well, there are a lot of adjectives and adverbs 
in that accusation to unpack, but I think there are two main 
things going on. There is the issue of interest rates, and then 
there is the issue of all of the other consumer protections out 
there.
    When it comes to interest rates, the Congress and the 
Supreme Court decided in the late 1970s and early 1980s that it 
was a good thing for the economy--and this was a broad 
bipartisan consensus at that time--to allow both national banks 
and State banks to export their home-State interest rates to 
other States. The reason for that was, if you think back to 
that era, there was rampant inflation, and in many States it 
was essentially illegal to get a loan because the market rate 
of money was higher than the legal rate of money. And so that 
was one of the ways that we got through the financial crisis of 
the late 1970s, was that kind of decision.
    All that is going on in our true lender rule is the idea 
that banks can originate these loans and they can sell those 
loans on the secondary market to nonbanks, as they always have, 
really, without questioning the legality of the banks' original 
interest rate exportation authority.
    The innovation of true lender is to make sure that somebody 
is responsible for the consumer protections associated with 
that loan, and in the last 25 years, nobody has been 
responsible. It has been an issue of sort of both sides 
pointing at each other.
    So in our rule, we facilitate banks doing what they have 
had the authority to do since 1978 in the Marquette case, and 
we have made clear that if they enter into these partnerships, 
they are responsible for the fair lending law compliance, the 
disclosure and truth-in-lending law compliance, the UDAP 
obligations, and every other thing that neither the banks nor 
their partners have taken accountability for in the past.
    So the point is to bring more credit to more people and to 
create accountability where there was none.
    Senator Cortez Masto. I appreciate that. I would ask, 
though, that you continue to watch this, because as a former 
Attorney General (AG)--and I already noticed now there are 
several AG lawsuits because you have rent-a-bank lenders like 
Elevate that has just been sued by the AG of the District of 
Columbia; you have LoanMart, which has been sued by California, 
and others utilizing this opportunity to circumvent the 
interest rate paths that have been set by 45 States, including 
the District of Columbia, which are in essence predatory loans 
with higher interest rates.
    So I would ask that you consider to take a look at that and 
follow that as this moves forward, because the biggest concern, 
particularly now during COVID-19, when so many people are 
struggling, they are going to look for these loans, and there 
are going to be predators out there, and it would be the worst 
thing to see that your new rule has opened the door for those 
types of predatory loans, so I would ask you to consider to 
take a look at that.
    Mr. Brooks. And, Senator, I would just say absolutely. The 
good news about the rule is it now gives us authority to police 
those from the bank side.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Right. Thank you.
    Let me jump back here and talk a little bit about Troubled 
debt restructuring, because I know in some parts of Nevada, and 
really across the country, borrowers have begun repaying their 
loans. But in Las Vegas and other places reliant on hospitality 
tourism, business owners still do not have the income to pay 
their loans in full every month.
    So let me ask, Chair Hood, do you think some credit unions 
and banks are at risk of failure due to the inability of some 
of their commercial real estate and mortgage borrowers to pay 
their loans on time and in full?
    Mr. Hood. Well, credit unions, Senator, have a long history 
of really helping their member-owners during times of 
adversity. In fact, the credit union system grew following the 
Great Depression, so based on the data we have to date, credit 
unions have entered into the COVID with very strong capital, 
well above our statutory requirement. Liquidity is strong. And, 
in fact, from what we are seeing in looking at call report 
data, they are doing relatively well in the sense that they are 
continuing to provide forbearances. In fact, Senator, credit 
unions have already provided 1.7 million loan forbearances for 
an aggregate amount of $55 billion, so almost 50 percent of our 
credit unions are all providing some type of forbearance.
    Based on the data we have, we do believe that we have the 
tools to really keep the credit union system safe and sound. If 
there is one ask I would have, it is working with you and your 
Committee to extend the Central Liquidity Facility in the CARES 
Act. As you know, liquidity is a major pillar of our industry. 
While we have solid liquidity now, I think in the future, 
because we do not know what the future portends, it would be 
nice to know that we do have that extension beyond December 
31st of this year, ma'am. But I do think the credit unions are 
positioned to continue what they have always done, and that is 
providing member service.
    Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Thank you all. I notice my 
time is up.
    Chairman Crapo. OK. Thank you. And I believe that we have 
been able--we have been trying to hook up with Vice Chair 
Quarles by phone. Do we have you by phone, Mr. Quarles?
    Mr. Quarles. Yes, if you can hear me. I am so sorry.
    Chairman Crapo. Yes, we can hear you. So, Elizabeth, we can 
go back to you now. We will not have his picture, but we have 
him and his voice. And I do not know where you were----
    Senator Warren. It is OK. I will try to pick up where we 
were.
    So what we were talking about is that the Fed conducted 
stress tests on the largest financial institutions, said that 
the financial institutions are healthy, but that the capital 
forecasts tend to be strongly dependent on the assumption that 
there will be additional rounds of economic stimulus.
    Then we established--that was 5 months ago--there have been 
no additional rounds of economic stimulus, and in the meantime, 
we have seen a lot of negative economic indicators, and that 
indeed the banks are now saying that they anticipate higher 
default rates.
    So the question I had been asking, Vice Chair Quarles, is: 
Without stimulus, do these big banks and ultimately the 
financial system run more risk?
    Mr. Quarles. So I should note that, as you noted in your 
original question, the banks' projections themselves assume 
stimulus, but our stress tests have not assumed any stimulus. 
We want to ensure that the stress tests that we----
    Senator Warren. Well, fair enough. Look, but that is not 
the question I am asking you, and also, the question about how 
much capital they have got obviously goes to the heart of your 
stress test. And you said right there in the stress test that 
the projections on capital depend on there being a stimulus. 
And, look, families need help. They have needed it all summer 
while Mitch McConnell has stubbornly crossed his arms and 
refused to let us vote. And now Senate Republicans are doing 
even more damage to our economy if they do not put a relief 
bill out that is big enough to get the job done and up for a 
vote.
    So, you know, this is a problem, obviously, at the Senate 
level, but the Fed itself is not powerless as well. You can act 
right now. You are allowing the big banks to continue to shovel 
billions of dollars out the door in dividends, money that could 
be used to help survive a historic downturn. You could stop 
this outflow of money right now.
    So at what point, Mr. Vice Chairman, will the Fed actually 
do its job and suspend all dividend payments?
    Mr. Quarles. Bank capital ratios have been rising over the 
last 6 months, Senator, and----
    Senator Warren. That is not the question I asked you, 
Governor Quarles. What I asked you was: What data are you going 
to need to see in order to actually take action here? We are 
watching a downturn in this economy. The stress tests 
specifically say they are based on the assumption there was 
going to be stimulus. Mitch McConnell has refused to let us get 
a stimulus. So I am asking about the billions of dollars that 
the banks are still pushing out the door in dividends because 
ultimately the American taxpayer is going to be on the hook if 
these banks are not able to meet their requirements going 
forward and need bailouts.
    Mr. Quarles. So we are running stress tests currently, and 
our stress tests do not assume any stimulus. We are running 
stress tests currently to determine the resilience of the 
banking sector. We ran them in the spring. We ran sensitivity 
analyses in the spring. We are now running additional stress 
tests, taking into account what happened in the spring and the 
condition of the banking industry and the economy as a result 
of that. We will have the results of those stress tests 
revealed publicly at a bank-by-bank level by the middle of 
December, and then we will use that information to inform our 
determination whether we would continue the suspension of the 
70 percent of capital distributions that we have already 
imposed on the banks and the limitation on the dividends that 
they may pay or adjust that in some way.
    Senator Warren. Let me just stop you there, because we have 
already had to do this for a long time. Your job is to protect 
the American people, not the bank investors. And I do not 
believe you are doing your job. Mitch McConnell has changed his 
tune. He said he wants to pass a relief bill before the end of 
the year, and I think that is great. But America needs a real 
relief bill, not a fig leaf. There are not enough fig leaves on 
the entire planet to cover up the Republican Party's monumental 
failure to take this coronavirus seriously.
    So Americans are now falling sick at the fastest rate since 
the pandemic began. It is time for you to stop letting these 
banks shove money out the door, stop making excuses and do your 
job.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman Crapo. Senator Schatz.
    Senator Schatz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Vice Chairman Quarles, about a week ago, New York's 
financial regulator said it would start integrating financial 
risks into the supervision of New York chartered banks. Among 
other things, the banks will conduct enterprise-wide risk 
assessments on how climate change will impact credit risk, 
market risk, and other core business risks.
    Are you following what is going on in New York? And do you 
agree with the New York regulator that banks should integrate 
climate financial risks into their risk management frameworks?
    Mr. Quarles. The supervision of the banks is a Board 
responsibility that is delegated to the reserve banks, so, yes, 
of course, I am following that, and, of course, I would agree 
with it. If I did not, it could not happen.
    Senator Schatz. I want to just follow up on a conversation 
we had in December on the Fed's joining the Network for 
Greening the Financial System, which now consists of 75 members 
and 13 observers. You told me--and this was good. You told me 
the Fed had been auditing the class before formally registering 
with the Network for Greening the Financial System. Chair 
Powell also said last week that the Fed was in the working 
groups of NGFS.
    Where are we on formally joining the Network for Greening 
the Financial System as a full member or observer?
    Mr. Quarles. So that is really up to the NGFS. We have 
requested membership. I expect that it will be granted.
    Senator Schatz. Do you know what the timeframe is?
    Mr. Quarles. I do not. I guess I would say--no, well, they 
have an annual meeting that is in the spring, which was the 
last time there was a lot of work around this. But I suspect we 
could probably join before the spring. That I do not really 
know, but I can get the answer for you.
    Senator Schatz. Yes, could you, please? And, also, to the 
extent that any of this has been reduced to writing in terms of 
a formal application to become a member or observer, could you 
provide that to the Committee, please?
    Mr. Quarles. Absolutely, we will get you information on 
that.
    Senator Schatz. Thanks very much.
    You also said in December that you were closely engaged 
with the Bank of England on how they are looking at climate 
change and regulation and supervision. Are you still engaged 
with the Bank of England? And can you just share with us what 
you learned or what you are working on?
    Mr. Quarles. Yes, I mean, we just had a tripartite meeting 
just last week with the Bank of England and the ECB on 
questions of regulation and supervision. Climate change is 
obviously something we discussed. We have been particularly 
monitoring how it is that they are thinking about their 
inclusion of climate change in their stress-testing process. It 
is a different process than ours, and they are at a very 
preliminary level still in the process of thinking about it. 
But we are definitely involved in the sense that we understand 
that is involved.
    Senator Schatz. And just as a point of clarification, 
because I and others have introduced legislation to this 
effect, my understanding is that the Fed has the full authority 
to move forward on this because risk is risk, and it might be 
helpful to clarify this through a change in statute. But you 
actually do not need a change in statute to do any of the 
things that you are doing right now as it relates to climate 
risk. Is that your assessment?
    Mr. Quarles. That is correct. I do not think that we need a 
change in statute. It may be--this supervision report that we 
published last week and that was submitted with my testimony 
does include a section on climate change and our supervisory 
activities with respect to climate change. That goes into more 
detail about how we are thinking about this and incorporating 
it into our supervisory activities.
    Senator Schatz. Thank you very much. I really appreciate 
your work here. And just to point out that we all have 
different views about climate change and about the solution set 
that should be undertaken, but risk is risk and the charge for 
the Fed and other financial regulators is to measure that risk, 
whether it--whether it has got an ideological argument behind 
it or not, risk is risk.
    I also want to thank the Fed for lowering the minimum loan 
size threshold from the Main Street Lending Program to 
encourage more small businesses to participate, but there 
appears to be very little uptake. What can we do to push money 
out to these small businesses who appear to not find this to be 
a particularly attractive program?
    Mr. Quarles. Well, you know, most of the Fed programs--and 
the Main Street Program is not different in that respect, the 
Fed facilities--really operate as backstops. They achieve their 
function when they restore confidence to the private financing 
markets, and I think you could say that that has happened with 
the Main Street Facility as well. So I do not actually view the 
limited take-up so far of the Main Street Facility as 
necessarily a sign of its failing. You could view that as a 
sign of its success if needs are being satisfied by the private 
sector. That is ultimately what we want as opposed to their 
being satisfied by the Fed. But I think that it is useful to 
have it out there as a backstop should the economy develop in a 
more adverse way and these financing needs not be being met by 
the private sector.
    Senator Schatz. Thank you. I appreciate it.
    Chairman Crapo. Thank you, Senator Schatz.
    It appears that Senator Van Hollen has had to leave the 
meeting. Senator Van Hollen, are you with us?
    [No response.]
    Chairman Crapo. OK. He may have had to leave the hearing.
    Senator Jones?
    [No response.]
    Chairman Crapo. That appears to be all of the Senators who 
are available. Senator Brown, do you want to make a final 
comment before we conclude the hearing?
    Senator Brown. I do not, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for 
asking, and thank you to you and the four witnesses.
    Chairman Crapo. All right. Thank you.
    Well, then, with that, that will conclude our questions for 
today's hearing. For Senators who wish to submit questions for 
the record, those questions are due to the Committee by 
Tuesday, November 17th.
    To each of the witnesses, we ask that you respond to those 
questions as promptly as you can, and thank you for joining us 
at the Committee today.
    This hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:21 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and 
additional material supplied for the record follow:]
               PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN MIKE CRAPO
    Today we welcome to this virtual hearing the Federal prudential 
regulators: Federal Reserve Vice Chairman of Supervision, Randy 
Quarles; Acting Comptroller of the Office of the Comptroller of the 
Currency, Brian Brooks; Chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance 
Corporation, Jelena McWilliams; and Chairman of the National Credit 
Union Administration, Rodney Hood.
    We will receive testimony from each agency on efforts, activities, 
objectives, and plans since you last testified before the Committee, as 
well as an update on COVID-19 related actions.
    Since the passage of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic 
Security Act, or CARES Act, your agencies have taken many meaningful 
steps to help mitigate the economic impact of the pandemic, and to 
provide conditions that will lead to a forceful recovery.
    On October 30, the Federal Reserve announced changes to its Main 
Street Lending Facility, including decreasing the minimum loan size for 
the new loan and priority loan facilities from $250,000 to $100,000; 
and allowing borrowers to deduct any PPP loan less than $2 million from 
their outstanding debt for the purposes of the leverage test.
    Your agencies should continue to carefully review the regulatory 
and supervisory frameworks, adjusting where necessary to bolster 
financial institutions' ability to support economic recovery.
    Which, by the way, has shown positive signs of recovery over the 
last several months.
    On October 29, the United States GDP surged a record 33 percent in 
the third quarter as the economy started to reopen.
    The unemployment rate fell to 6.9 percent in October, when just 
last spring CBO projected that we'd still be at 9.5 percent by the end 
of 2021.
    Since April, around 12 million jobs have been gained, meaning we 
have recovered more than half of the jobs lost due to shutdowns.
    Over the last few months, I have sent several letters to the 
regulators on a number of important issues.
    On July 31, I sent a letter to each of the agencies urging the use 
of existing discretion to extend relief provided under Title IV of the 
CARES Act, including: the Community Bank Leverage Ratio to December 31, 
2021; Troubled Debt Restructurings (TDRs) to January 1, 2022; and the 
Current Expected Credit Losses (CECL) methodology to January 1, 2023, 
while clarifying and minimizing unintended effects of mid-year 
adoption.
    On October 8, I sent the regulatory agencies a letter regarding the 
increase in regulatory burden for banks and credit unions simply due to 
their rapid implementation Paycheck Protection Program (PPP).
    As a result of their critical role in PPP and the economic 
recovery, many banks and credit unions inadvertently experienced 
significant balance sheet growth, which is ultimately expected to 
decline as borrowers meet the PPP's forgiveness terms.
    The FDIC took an important step in issuing an interim final rule to 
alleviate the increased Part 363 audit and reporting requirements for 
insured depository institutions (IDIs) that have experienced growth 
from PPP and participation in the Federal Reserve 13(3) facilities (and 
other stimulus efforts).
    It is important that banks and credit unions are not inadvertently 
dis-incentivized from continuing to play a key role in the economic 
recovery or participate in future efforts.
    I urge each of you to continue using your discretion to alleviate 
the regulatory burdens associated with a variety of asset-based 
regulatory thresholds on those banks and credit unions temporarily 
experiencing growth from participation in recovery-oriented programs.
    Turning to the OCC, on October 19, the Senate rejected a 
congressional Review Act of the Community Reinvestment Act issued by 
the OCC.
    According to the OCC, the final rule improves Community 
Reinvestment Act regulations ``by clarifying what qualifies for CRA 
consideration, updating how banks define their assessment areas, 
evaluating bank CRA performance more objectively, and making the entire 
process more transparent and timelier. The final rule's framework will 
increase support to small business, small- and family-owned farms, 
Indian Country, and distressed areas, and it accommodates banks of all 
sizes and business models.''
    The CRA had not been materially modernized since 1995, and I 
commend the OCC for taking this momentous step.
    As we continue to weather this pandemic, I again stress to each of 
you and your agencies the importance of our financial institutions 
providing access to credit and financial services to creditworthy 
individuals and businesses in legal industries.
    It is vitally important that our country's financial institutions, 
especially the largest, not deny credit financing based on political 
preferences related to firearms, oil and gas, or others.
    Lending decisions should be based on creditworthiness, and should 
not target specific industries, especially as we work to restore our 
economy to pre-pandemic strength.
    This will remain an incredibly important issue for me, and I will 
continue to fight for access to credit and financial services for all 
of our legal industries.
    I appreciate each one of you joining us today to share your 
agency's activities and plans, as well as the tireless work of you and 
your staff in response to COVID-19.
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              PREPARED STATEMENT OF SENATOR SHERROD BROWN
    The American people sent a clear message in this election: they 
rejected an Administration where Wall Street and corporations run the 
economy--people want a Government that's on their side.
    For the past 4 years, the Trump administration and the Federal 
financial regulators before us today have put their thumbs on the scale 
for corporations and their wealthy friends, while leaving everyone else 
at the mercy of the supposed ``free market.''
    Americans watched a President ignore a pandemic, refuse to even try 
to put in place any kind of plan to bring the virus under control, and 
reject all our efforts to support families and get our economy running 
safely.
    And whatever the Majority Leader may say--whatever damage he and 
some of my colleagues and the outgoing President are doing to our 
democracy with their lies and their fabricated attacks on our 
nonpartisan poll workers and local election officials--the facts are 
clear: a decisive majority of the public--5 million more people voted 
for Joe Biden than Donald Trump--a decisive majority rejected what they 
have endured over the last 4 years, and voted for new leadership that 
will restore faith in our Government.
    People are ready to turn the page, they're ready for real 
leadership that will give them their freedom and their lives back, and 
they're ready to heal and to rebuild.
    The work we do here on the Banking and Housing Committee can be a 
big part of that, and can make a real, tangible difference in people's 
lives--if we, Committee Members of both parties, come together and 
choose to do so.
    We have the power on this Committee to tackle the issues that 
actually matter to people's lives--their paychecks, housing, 
transportation, and the communities they live in.
    We can get small businesses back on their feet. We can lift up the 
Black and Brown communities that have been hit the hardest by this 
pandemic. We can keep people in their homes, make those homes more 
affordable, and bring down people's energy bills. We can lead the world 
in the fight against climate change and seize every opportunity to 
create good-paying jobs. We can free people from the stress of debt 
collectors and the downward spiral of payday lenders.
    And we can reorient our economy from wealth to work.
    To do all of that, we have to take on Wall Street power.
    We know who has been shipping jobs overseas, jacking up drug 
prices, spending trillions on stock buybacks instead of higher wages, 
and busting unions: it's not our neighbors who may have a different 
political sign in their yard or bumper stick on their car--it's the 
largest corporations, their unaccountable CEOs--Facebook to Wells 
Fargo--and their allies in Washington.
    Wall Street is all too happy to watch phony populists turn us 
against each other, as long as it means they get to keep exploiting 
workers and playing by a different set of rules.
    For 4 years, we've had a President trying to convince people to 
blame their fellow Americans who may not look like them or worship like 
them, instead of blaming a system that rewards executives' stock 
portfolios when they lay off workers or cut their pay.
    Divide to distract--that was the playbook. Divide to distract from 
all the ways he and his followers in Congress were funneling more 
wealth to the already-wealthy and more power to the already-powerful.
    But it didn't work this time.
    Last week, a record nearly 80 million Americans rejected that 
division that, the largest vote for any Presidential nominee in our 
country's history. Now, we have to deliver results.
    We have to take on Big Oil and other corporate polluters that have 
spent billions of dollars trying to convince people climate change is 
an unsolvable problem, instead of a tremendous opportunity.
    We have to end the corporate business model that treats workers--
especially Black and Brown workers--as expendable, and that perpetuates 
systemic racism.
    We have to break up the biggest banks, and give that power to 
everyone else who has been denied a voice in our economy.
    Our financial system should be a public good. It already is for big 
banks--we need to make it work for everyone else, and create a better 
system centered on the Dignity of Work.
    When work has dignity, hard work pays off for everyone, no matter 
who you are, where you live, or what kind of work you do.
    When work has dignity, everyone can afford housing and 
transportation, and they have power over their lives and their own 
money.
    When work has dignity, we have a strong, growing middle class, and 
everyone--everyone--can reach it.
    Making that vision possible is the job of the Banking and Housing 
Committee.
    We know we have great challenges--we're in a public health crisis, 
an economic crisis, and a climate crisis. And extraordinary times call 
for us to aim higher and think bigger--to rise to meet this moment, and 
restore people's faith in their Government.
    I look forward to coming together with Senators on both sides of 
the aisle, and with the new Administration, to get to work.

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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
          SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM RANDAL K. QUARLES

Q.1. Do you pledge to work with President-elect Biden's team to 
ensure an orderly transition to a new Administration?

Q.2. Have you established office space within your agency for 
the President-elect's transition team?

Q.3. Have you prepared briefing books for the President-elect's 
transition team that includes all relevant information they 
will need to know?

A.1.-A.3. In response to your first three questions, the 
Federal Reserve is committed to an orderly transition and 
working with the new Administration. To that end, we 
facilitated meetings with the transition team as soon as the 
ascertainment was made by the General Services Administration. 
The transition team met with many representatives of the 
Federal Reserve at all levels of the agency. In addition, the 
transition team met with representatives of some of the Federal 
Reserve Banks. We provided them with briefings on information 
they requested.

Q.4. Is troubled debt restructuring merely an accounting issue 
or are there real concerns about risks to financial 
institutions?

Q.5. Will your agency update the interagency guidance regarding 
Troubled Debt Restructuring to allow these COVID-19 loan 
modifications to extend beyond 6 months? Would loans with terms 
beyond 6 months still fall within the TDR authority?

A.4.-A.5. In response to questions 4 and 5, the 2020 
interagency guidance related to the COVID event loan 
modifications provides an interpretation of the troubled debt 
restructuring (TDR) rules that exist under current U.S. 
generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP), which is 
governed by the Financial Accounting Standards Board. Extending 
our current guidance beyond 6 months may be contrary to 
existing U.S. GAAP.
    Having said that, TDR relief provided by the Coronavirus 
Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) does not 
have a 6-month time limitation. Modifications longer than 6 
months need not be designated as TDRs if the criteria laid out 
in section 4013 of the CARES Act are met. The CARES Act 
originally allowed such treatment for qualifying modifications 
that occurred prior to December 31, 2020, and the recently 
passed Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021, extended this 
expiration date to be the earlier of January 1, 2022; or 60 
days after the termination of the national emergency.
    Further, regardless of the TDR designation, the regulatory 
agencies have released and reiterated guidance that encourages 
financial institutions to work with their borrowers and 
highlights that management will not be criticized for doing so 
in a prudent manner.

Q.6. Without additional relief from Congress, how bad are 
defaults, foreclosures, and evictions going to get and what 
will be the impact on financial institutions?

A.6. As we saw in the financial crisis that attended the 2007-
2008 recession, the consequences of widespread mortgage default 
and foreclosure can be severe. Foreclosures can trigger and 
exacerbate a housing downturn, which can then spill over to the 
rest of the economy. A large increase in foreclosures or 
distressed sales would likely put significant downward pressure 
onhouse prices, while a large fall in house prices would damage 
household balance sheets and would likely reduce residential 
investment and consumer spending, thereby potentially deepening 
a recession. In response to falling house prices and rising 
defaults, mortgage lenders often tighten credit, thus 
exacerbating price declines and intensifying recessionary 
dynamics. Moreover, losses on mortgage loans can put 
substantial strains on the balance sheets of banks and other 
financial institutions. In addition, households who have 
undergone eviction or foreclosure face substantial costs, both 
financial and nonfinancial. For example, suchhouseholds 
typically have persistently lower access to credit and are more 
likely to experience adverse health outcomes.
    A variety of Government policies have attempted to prevent 
a wave of mortgage defaults, foreclosures, and evictions. The 
CARES Act gave borrowers with Government-Sponsored Enterprise 
(GSE) and Government-backed loans access to mortgage 
forbearance, which helps to prevent default by allowing 
borrowers to defer mortgage payments for up to 12 months. 
Although this part of the CARES Act expired at the end of 2020, 
the GSEs and the Federal Housing Administration have continued 
their forbearance programs. Private lenders are also offering 
forbearance, although with terms that are reportedly not as 
generous as the Government programs. The continuation of 
forbearance should help to keep people in their homes and 
support house prices, especially while unemployment remains 
elevated.
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RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ROUNDS FROM BRIAN P. 
                             BROOKS

Q.1. I understand that a company known as Figure Technologies 
recently applied for a national bank charter but that they 
wouldn't be taking deposits. This comes about a year after a 
court decision from the Southern District of New York that 
argued that the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency 
doesn't have the legal authority to charter nondepository 
institutions.
    How do you balance the court's decision against the 
application from companies like Figure Technologies? Is there 
additional clarity that Congress could provide here to promote 
innovation while maintaining the safety and soundness of our 
banking system?

A.1. The New York District Court's holding in Lacewell v. OCC, 
which the OCC has appealed to the United States Court of 
Appeals for the Second Circuit, addressed an institution that 
would not be taking deposits. That holding is not relevant to 
Figure Technologies' application for a national bank charter 
because Figure plans to accept deposits and operate as a full-
service national bank. Figure will not be FDIC insured, 
however. Its business plan only entails accepting deposits from 
institutional clients in amounts over $250,000, the limit for 
FDIC insurance. Since all of Figure's deposits will be above 
the statutory limit for deposit insurance, the OCC will not 
require the company to seek deposit insurance. However, if its 
application is approved, Figure will be expected to maintain 
sufficient capital and liquidity levels, comply with 
appropriate rules and consumer protections, and will be subject 
to stringent OCC supervision as required for every national 
bank. The Figure application is similar to other charter 
applications from technology companies the OCC has recently 
approved, such as Varo Bank. Providing a path for these 
companies to operate within the banking system and to be 
supervised within that system ensures a level competitive 
playing field, protects consumers, promotes safety and 
soundness, and provides regulators a more comprehensive view of 
financial system activity.

Q.2. I appreciate the work that all of you have been doing to 
help your respective constituents meet the needs of their 
customers during this difficult time. As I noted in my 
conversation with Vice Chair Quarles, I have a number of 
outstanding concerns about some of the unintended consequences 
that may occur as a result of the unique economic events we're 
experiencing combined with how consumer activity is changing 
the balance sheets of banks and credit unions.
    Chairman McWilliams said in her written testimony, ``The 
FDIC is also actively considering similar targeted adjustments 
to further mitigate unintended consequences resulting from 
pandemic-related Government programs.'' I know that the 
Paycheck Protection Program and Economic Impact Payments in 
particular have resulted in significant cash-flow changes that 
have made financial institutions look temporarily much larger 
than normal for the purposes of their capital treatment. Are 
there other Government programs that have had a similar impact?

A.2. There are currently no Government programs that have had 
an impact on bank balance sheets on a scale that is similar to 
the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) or Economic Injury 
Disaster Loan (EIDL) program. There are other Government 
programs that have the potential to increase the size of bank 
balance sheets; however, their use has been limited compared to 
the volume of loans provided under the PPP and EIDL. For 
example, outstanding balances under the Main Street Lending 
Program, Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility (MMMFLF), 
and Paycheck Protection Program Liquidity Facility (PPPLF) were 
approximately $69.0 billion in the aggregate as of November 13, 
2020. By comparison, PPP-approved dollars totaled approximately 
$525.0 billion as of the PPP's program closing on August 8, 
2020, and EIDL approved dollars totaled approximately $194.3 
billion as of November 23, 2020.

Q.3. What specific adjustments are you considering as a result 
of these Government responses?

A.3. The OCC has provided banks with the flexibility to 
participate in various Government programs and receive capital 
treatment relief. For example, on November 3, 2020, the OCC 
published OCC Bulletin 2020-96, ``Capital and Liquidity 
Treatment for Money Market Liquidity Facility and Paycheck 
Protection Program.'' This rule finalized various interim rules 
and stipulated that a banking organization may continue to 
exclude assets acquired as part of the MMMFLF and PPP covered 
loans pledged under the PPPLF from various capital ratio 
calculations. Further, all PPP loans receive a zero percent 
risk weighting (the lowest risk weight possible) for capital 
purposes. In addition, a banking organization subject to the 
liquidity coverage ratio rule excludes from its total net cash 
outflow those amounts associated with advances from the MMMFLF 
and PPPLF and those inflow amounts associated with collateral 
securing the advances.
    Additionally, the OCC, along with the FDIC and Board of 
Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Board), issued an 
interim final rule providing relief to community banks that 
have crossed an asset threshold due to participation in the PPP 
and other COVID-19 pandemic relief efforts. Community banks 
with total assets of $10 billion or less as of 2019, and that 
have crossed relevant asset thresholds, will have additional 
time to reduce their asset sizes as the programs unwind or to 
prepare for new requirements if the banks plan to remain above 
the asset thresholds in 2022.

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  RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR SCOTT FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. The FDIC has long history of working with banks, including 
mission-driven institutions such as Optus Bank in my home State 
of South Carolina, to develop policies that support broader 
access to the financial system.
    Can you provide me with an update on the FDIC's development 
of guidance to private sector firms that is aimed at 
facilitating investments in and support of Minority Depository 
Institutions (MDIs) and Community Development Financial 
Institution (CDFI) banks?

A.1. One of my priorities as FDIC Chairman has been expanding 
our engagement and collaboration in support of minority 
depository institutions (MDIs). An MDI is often the financial 
lifeblood of the community it serves, enabling individuals and 
minority-owned small businesses to securely build savings and 
obtain credit. On October 16, 2020, the FDIC published a 
resource guide titled ``Investing in the Future of Mission-
Driven Banks: A Guide to Developing New Partnerships,'' which 
outlines the important role FDIC-insured MDIs and Community 
Development Financial Institutions (CDFIs) play in the 
financial system, describes the business needs of these banks, 
and outlines strategies for private companies and philanthropic 
organizations to consider in supporting MDIs and CDFIs: equity 
investments, grants, deposits, creation of an investment fund, 
technology support, and other partnership opportunities.\1\ 
These strategies can help MDIs build capacity and scale. We 
also published an interactive mapping system showing the 
headquarters and branches of all FDIC-insured MDIs and CDFIs, 
with links to each bank's website.
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    \1\ See FDIC Publishes Resource Guide to Promote Investment 
Partnerships With FDIC-Insured Minority Banks and Community Development 
Financial Institutions (Oct. 16, 2020), available at https://
www.fdic.gov/news/pressreleases/2020/pr20111.html.
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    In addition, the FDIC is facilitating the creation of a 
Mission-Driven Bank Fund that will provide opportunities for 
MDIs to propose investments in equity capital, loan 
participations, and other mechanisms to help build capacity and 
scale.\2\ With significant investment commitments by private 
companies, philanthropic organizations, and other financial 
institutions, we believe this fund will provide a sizable 
source of capital and other helpful tools that can help MDIs 
grow their operations and expand their impact in minority 
communities.
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    \2\ See FDIC, The Mission-Driven Bank Fund, available at https://
www.fdic.gov/regulations/resources/minority/mission-driven/
infographic.pdf.

Q.2. Can you provide an update on the FDIC's work related to 
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the development of a Mission-Driven Bank Fund?

A.2.  On November 18, 2020, the FDIC announced a competition to 
choose one or more experienced financial advisors to support 
the development of the new Mission-Driven Bank Fund, which will 
provide a vehicle for private sector and philanthropic 
investment in FDIC-insured MDIs and CDFIs.\3\ The selected 
financial advisor(s) will work with the FDIC to develop the 
framework, structure, and concept of operations for the Fund. 
The FDIC received a number of submissions on December 2, and a 
technical evaluation panel has evaluated the offerors' 
proposals. The FDIC signed an agreement with a financial 
advisor on January 11, 2021, and we anticipate the development 
of the fund structure will take approximately 60 days. Once the 
Fund is established, an independent investment committee and 
fund manager will be selected by investors.
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    \3\ See FDIC Seeks Financial Advisor to Establish New ``Mission-
Driven Bank Fund'' to Support FDIC-Insured Minority Banks and Community 
Development Financial Institutions (Nov. 18, 2020), available at 
https://www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2020/pr20125.html.
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  RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTION OF SENATOR TOOMEY FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. One way that banks support the mortgage market is through 
providing warehouse lines of credit to independent mortgage 
banks. Some argue that capital treatment of warehouse lending 
is misaligned with the risk of this business. They point out 
that banks must hold a full 100 percent risk-weighted capital 
against warehouse lines, even though if banks made the loans 
themselves, they would have a 50 percent risk weight. Is there 
merit to lowering the risk weighting to improve mortgage market 
liquidity and provide a more stable source of support for the 
mortgage market from banks?

A.1. The bank capital framework is generally implemented on an 
interagency basis. The FDIC regularly reviews our capital 
rules, including the risk weights for different assets, both 
internally and with the other banking agencies. The banking 
agencies are currently engaged in a rulemaking effort to 
finalize the outstanding components of the Basel III framework, 
which involves reviewing the risk weights of various asset 
classes. As part of this process, and as part of our regular 
review of the impact of capital rules, the FDIC will continue 
to evaluate whether modifications to the framework are 
appropriate to support the strong functioning of the U.S. 
mortgage market.
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  RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTION OF SENATOR ROUNDS FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. I appreciate the work that all of you have been doing to 
help your respective constituents meet the needs of their 
customers during this difficult time. As I noted in my 
conversation with Vice Chair Quarles, I have a number of 
outstanding concerns about some of the unintended consequences 
that may occur as a result of the unique economic events we're 
experiencing combined with how consumer activity is changing 
the balance sheets of banks and credit unions.
    Chairman McWilliams said in her written testimony, ``The 
FDIC is also actively considering similar targeted adjustments 
to further mitigate unintended consequences resulting from 
pandemic-related Government programs.'' I know that the 
Paycheck Protection Program and Economic Impact Payments in 
particular have resulted in significant cash-flow changes that 
have made financial institutions look temporarily much larger 
than normal for the purposes of their capital treatment. Are 
there other Government programs that have had a similar impact?
    What specific adjustments are you considering as a result 
of these Government responses?

A.1. Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDIC has 
taken a number of actions to show flexibility in its regulatory 
approach in response to the unprecedented economic conditions 
and unique Government response,\1\ which resulted in record 
deposit inflows at FDIC-insured banks. Banks experienced two 
consecutive quarters of over $1 trillion in new deposits, 
increases that far exceed any deposit growth the FDIC has seen 
in the past. In October 2020, we issued an interim final rule 
to allow insured depository institutions (IDIs) that have 
experienced growth to determine whether they are subject to the 
requirements of Part 363 of the FDIC's regulations (i.e., 
Annual Independent Audits and Reporting Requirements) for 
fiscal years ending in 2021 based on their consolidated assets 
as of December 31, 2019.\2\
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    \1\ For a detailed description of these actions, see FDIC Chairman 
Jelena McWilliams, ``Oversight of Financial Regulators,'' testimony 
before S. Comm. on Banking, Hous., and Urban Affairs (May 12, 2020), 
available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/speeches/spmay1220.html and FDIC 
Chairman Jelena McWilliams, ``Oversight of Financial Regulators,'' 
testimony before S. Comm. on Banking, Hous., and Urban Affairs (Nov. 
10, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/speeches/
spnov1020.html.
    \2\ See Applicability of Annual Independent Audits and Reporting 
Requirements for Fiscal Years Ending in 2021, 85 Fed. Reg. 67427 (Oct. 
23, 2020), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-10-
23/pdf/2020-23630.pdf.
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    Consistent with that action and the principle of targeted 
regulatory flexibility, the FDIC joined the Federal Reserve 
Board and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in 
issuing an interim final rule to similarly ``freeze'' an IDI's 
asset size for purposes of determining applicability of certain 
regulations for community banks.\3\ The rule, which applies to 
certain regulatory thresholds of $10 billion or less, provides 
that an IDI generally can calculate its asset size for 
applicable thresholds during calendar years 2020 and 2021 based 
on the lower of either total assets as of December 31, 2019, or 
total assets as of the normal measurement date. Through its 
application to thresholds under the community bank leverage 
ratio, management interlocks, Call Reports, and examination 
frequency rules, the rule provides community banks with 
temporary relief from incurring material costs to comply with 
new regulatory requirements during a time of economic 
disruption.
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    \3\ See Temporary Asset Thresholds, 85 Fed. Reg. 77345 (Dec. 2, 
2020), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-12-02/
pdf/2020-26138.pdf.
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 RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR KENNEDY FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. When the FDIC proposed regulations in 2007 related to 
industrial loan companies, the agency faced significant 
pushback from Congress on one issue: applications involving 
parent companies that engage in commercial activities. 
Ultimately, the FDIC made the prudent decision to exclude 
commercial parents in the 2007 proposal.
    The world has changed dramatically in the years that have 
passed. Where commentators were concerned about big physical 
retailers like Walmart in 2007, now an entirely new generation 
of internet companies dominate the American economy. Their 
enormous roles in our lives now raise concerns about the 
collection and mixing of consumer data in ways we could never 
have even imagined in 2007. For instance, Apple didn't even 
launch its first App Store until 2008.
    The FDIC's current rule would not exclude applications from 
commercial parent companies of industrial loan companies. The 
FDIC's notice of proposed rulemaking lacks any explanation, 
analysis, or discussion as to why the FDIC changed its 2007 
policy on commercial parents.
    Can you please explain the FDIC's thinking and, in 
particular, describe what analyses, studies, or other efforts 
the FDIC undertook or considered when deciding to change its 
position from 2007?

A.1. The March 2020 notice of proposed rulemaking (NPR) 
explained that the FDIC's decision not to go forward with the 
2007 proposal was rooted in a number of factors that 
collectively resulted in reduced organizer interest in 
establishing new industrial banks. Notably, interest in 
organizing new institutions of all charter types, including 
industrial banks, diminished given the deteriorating economic 
and market conditions (identified as early as mid-2007) 
resulting in market disruptions, restricted liquidity, reduced 
availability of capital, and a low interest rate environment. 
These conditions, in conjunction with the oncoming financial 
crisis, impacted institutions across the banking industry and 
resulted in the FDIC not finalizing the 2007 NPR. Instead the 
FDIC recognized the necessity of closely monitoring the 
performance of industrial banks during that period of severe 
financial distress.\1\
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    \1\ After 2013, the moratorium imposed by Congress in the Dodd-
Frank Act expired by its terms and was not renewed.
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    The March 2020 NPR provided a reasoned discussion of the 
decision to move forward with the proposed rule, and the final 
rule adopted in December 2020 \2\ took into consideration 
information drawn from the FDIC's supervisory experience in the 
ensuing years. Industrial banks today are owned by financial 
and nonfinancial commercial firms. Overall, the performance and 
condition of industrial banks during the most recent banking 
crisis was consistent with other FDIC-insured institutions 
based on assigned supervisory ratings, which consider each 
institution's unique business model, complexity, and risk 
profile. As discussed in the final rule, from the beginning of 
2009 through 2011, on average, industrial banks were assigned 
composite and component ratings similar to other charter types 
with regard to safety and soundness, consumer protection, and 
the CRA. Further, the portfolio of industrial banks reflected 
similar proportions of institutions that were composite rated 
3, 4, or 5 \3\ during the crisis, as well as a similar rate of 
failure as compared to the portfolio of traditional insured 
institutions.
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    \2\ See FDIC Approves Rule to Ensure Safety and Soundness of 
Industrial Banks (Dec. 15, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
news/press-releases/2020/pr20137.html.
    \3\ Each financial institution is assigned composite and component 
ratings for safety and soundness under the Uniform Financial 
Institutions Rating System (UFIRS). Under the UFIRS, composite ratings 
are based on an evaluation and rating of six essential components of an 
institution's financial condition and operations: adequacy of capital, 
the quality of assets, the capability of management, the quality and 
level of earnings, the adequacy of liquidity, and the sensitivity to 
market risk. Evaluations of the components take into consideration the 
institution's size and sophistication, the nature and complexity of its 
activities, and its risk profile.
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    While some industrial banks have pursued nontraditional 
business models, industrial banks as a whole have experienced 
financial performance and condition results comparable to 
nonindustrial bank-insured institutions. Industrial banks tend 
to maintain higher levels of capital and generate higher 
earnings than their commercial bank peers. At year-ends 2009 
through 2011, industrial banks maintained a median tier 1 
leverage capital ratio between 13.1 percent and 15.4 percent, 
whereas other insured institutions maintained a median tier 1 
leverage capital ratio between 9.3 percent and 9.7 percent. As 
of June 30, 2020, the median tier 1 leverage capital ratio for 
industrial banks was 14.6 percent, compared to 10.3 percent for 
other insured institutions.\4\
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    \4\ FDIC Call Report Data, June 30, 2020.
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    Similarly, industrial banks reported a median return on 
average assets (ROAA) ratio of between 0.6 percent and 2.5 
percent at year-ends 2009 through 2011, versus a median ROAA 
ratio of between 0.4 percent and 0.7 percent for other insured 
institutions. The median ROAA ratio for industrial banks and 
other insured institutions as of June 30, 2020, were 1.1 
percent and 0.9 percent, respectively.\5\
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    \5\ Id.
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    Further, during the same time period, industrial banks have 
been assigned UFIRS examination ratings for the capital and 
earnings components that, on average, were very similar to 
those of other insured institutions. This generally indicates 
that industrial banks have implemented and maintained 
appropriate risk management practices that, given financial 
condition and performance, have adequately compensated for the 
risks inherent in the business models.
    Finally, industrial banks experienced failures during the 
crisis at about the same rate as other types of institutions, 
and there have not been any industrial bank failures since 
2010.\6\
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    \6\ Security Savings Bank, Henderson, Nevada, failed in February 
2009, and Advanta Bank Corporation, Draper, Utah, failed in March 2010.
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    The final rule includes a number of regulatory 
requirements, including heightened source of strength 
requirements, to address potential risks. Both the NPR and 
Supplementary Information portion of the final rule provide 
additional details on the justification and factual 
underpinnings of the rule.\7\
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    \7\ See supra note 11.

Q.2. Given the limited discussion in the Federal Register on 
this dramatic change in the FDIC's position on this issue, how 
can you expect the public to meaningfully provide comments on 
the potential impact of opening your proposal to commercial 
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parent companies?

A.2. The FDIC has an obligation to effectively and 
transparently execute the law authorizing the establishment of 
industrial banks. The final rule, which is consistent with the 
FDIC's historical practice regarding the establishment and 
supervision of industrial banks, provides transparency on this 
process while incorporating lessons learned from the FDIC's 
supervisory experience with industrial banks to promote 
enhanced supervision of the bank and parent company and to 
ensure that the parent company is a source of strength for the 
bank.
    The NPR discussed the history of industrial banks in the 
United States, both generally and in the context of 
controversies over the past two decades. The NPR reviewed 
potential risks inherent in approving and supervising 
industrial banks. These include concerns over the mixing of 
banking and commerce, as well as the potential risk to the 
Deposit Insurance Fund posed by the lack of Federal 
consolidated supervision of parent companies. The NPR also set 
out the justification for the proposed rule, including the need 
to codify and clarify supervisory expectations for industrial 
banks and the importance of imposing commitments on parent 
companies to ensure the parent company can serve as a source of 
strength for its subsidiary industrial bank.
    The NPR specifically discussed that commenters on the 2007 
rulemaking observed that the FDIC lacked authority to draw a 
distinction between financial and nonfinancial industrial bank 
owners absent a change in law.
    The NPR provided discussion of the factual, legal, and 
policy considerations for the proposed rule, such that 
interested parties were able to--and did--submit a variety of 
comments on a number of issues raised in and by the proposed 
rule.
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 RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR TESTER FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. Impact of Pandemic on Regulatory Asset Thresholds: During 
the pandemic, because of participation in the Paycheck 
Protection Program, EIDL, EIP, USDA emergency programs, and 
others--as Chairman Crapo and Senator Toomey highlighted during 
the hearing--a number of financial institutions have grown to 
new regulatory thresholds, and for many this will be temporary.
    I'm very proud of the work that community banks and credit 
unions in Montana have done to help their communities during 
this health and economic crisis, particularly the effort it has 
taken to make the Paycheck Protection Program work despite many 
challenges. I am concerned though that these community 
financial institutions will face unnecessary consequences from 
these important programs and may be unable to participate in 
future rounds of these stimulus programs.
    Thank you to you all for your focus on the disproportionate 
impact that these increased assets have on smaller 
institutions. This is a problem I'm hearing about directly from 
Montanans, and like you we've seen that these pandemic-related 
assets have a more significant impact the smaller a bank is. 
Especially for these smaller banks, the problems with increased 
pandemic-related assets are not limited to PPP.
    I know that this is something all of your agencies are 
looking into and some have taken action on. I appreciated 
hearing your answers to the Chairman's question, and I look 
forward to continuing to work with you all on this issue.
    What can your agencies do to ensure financial institutions 
are not punished for participating in these programs while also 
maintaining the safety and soundness of the system?
    Can you do this all on your own or are there areas that 
require action from Congress?

A.1. Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDIC has 
taken a number of actions to show flexibility in its regulatory 
approach in response to the unprecedented economic conditions 
and unique Government response,\1\ which resulted in record 
deposit inflows at FDIC-insured banks. Banks experienced two 
consecutive quarters of over $1 trillion in new deposits, 
increases that far exceed any deposit growth the FDIC has seen 
in the past. In October 2020, we issued an interim final rule 
to allow insured depository institutions (IDIs) that have 
experienced growth to determine whether they are subject to the 
requirements of Part 363 of the FDIC's regulations (i.e., 
Annual Independent Audits and Reporting Requirements) for 
fiscal years ending in 2021 based on their consolidated assets 
as of December 31, 2019.\2\
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    \1\ For a detailed description of these actions, see FDIC Chairman 
Jelena McWilliams, ``Oversight of Financial Regulators,'' testimony 
before S. Comm. on Banking, Hous., and Urban Affairs (May 12, 2020), 
available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/speeches/spmay1220.html and FDIC 
Chairman Jelena McWilliams, ``Oversight ofFinancial Regulators,'' 
testimony before S. Comm. on Banking, Hous., and Urban Affairs (Nov. 
10, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/speeches/
spnov1020.html.
    \2\ See Applicability of Annual Independent Audits and Reporting 
Requirements for Fiscal Years Ending in 2021, 85 Fed. Reg. 67427 (Oct. 
23, 2020), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-10-
23/pdf/2020-23630.pdf.
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    Consistent with that action and the principle of targeted 
regulatory flexibility, the FDIC joined the Federal Reserve 
Board and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in 
issuing an interim final rule to similarly ``freeze'' an IDI's 
asset size for purposes of determining applicability of certain 
regulations for community banks.\3\ The rule, which applies to 
certain regulatory thresholds of $10 billion or less, provides 
that an IDI generally can calculate its asset size for 
applicable thresholds during calendar years 2020 and 2021 based 
on the lower of either total assets as of December 31, 2019, or 
total assets as of the normal measurement date. Through its 
application to thresholds under the community bank leverage 
ratio, management interlocks, Call Reports, and examination 
frequency rules, the rule provides community banks with 
temporary relief from incurring material costs to comply with 
new regulatory requirements during a time of economic 
disruption.
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    \3\ See Temporary Asset Thresholds, 85 Fed. Reg. 77345 (Dec. 2, 
2020), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-12-02/
pdf/2020-26138.pdf.

Q.2. Impact of Pandemic on Safety and Soundness: This pandemic 
has had significant impacts on our economy and communities 
throughout the country.
    As you continue examinations, what impact are you seeing 
these factors have on the banks and credit unions you regulate? 
Is this impact different on smaller, community institutions?

A.2. The FDIC closely monitors the health of the U.S. banking 
system and publicly reports on these conditions through our 
Quarterly Banking Profile. Consistent with improved economic 
activity in the third quarter of 2020, the banking industry 
reported better results relative to the first half of the 
year.\4\ Banks reported higher net income, largely because of 
lower provisions for credit losses and an increase in 
noninterest income, compared with the first two quarters of 
2020. Lower provisions reflect the improving economy and a 
general expectation from the banking industry of stabilization 
in the expected future credit performance of the loan 
portfolio. Deposit growth stabilized during the third quarter 
and is now near the average rate of growth between year-end 
2014 and year-end 2019. However, economic uncertainty and the 
low interest rate environment remain headwinds for the banking 
industry. In the third quarter, banks faced additional downward 
pressure on net interest margins, an increase in nonperforming 
loans, and a decline in loan volume. Notwithstanding these 
challenges, the number of institutions on the FDIC's ``Problem 
Bank List'' remained low, increasing to 56 from 52 the previous 
quarter.
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    \4\ See FDIC-Insured Institutions Reported Improved Profitability 
in Third Quarter 2020 (Dec. 1, 2020), available at https://
www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2020/pr20131.html.
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    Community banks continued to outperform the industry 
overall with stronger improvements in annual net income and 
loan growth. Specifically, the 4,590 FDIC-insured community 
banks reported quarterly net income of $7.3 billion, a 10 
percent increase year-over-year. However, community banks 
continued to report an annual increase in provisions, further 
net interest margin compression, and a modest increase in 
nonperforming loans.
    The FDIC has conducted heightened monitoring of financial 
institutions whose activities or concentrations may present 
additional concerns due to the economic consequences of the 
pandemic. We have expanded our regular risk monitoring 
activities, particularly for institutions that have 
concentrated exposures to the industries that have been most 
impacted by the pandemic. Various divisions across the FDIC 
coordinate to bring together institution-specific and 
macroeconomic information, including assessments of aggregate 
banking industry vulnerabilities to credit and liquidity risk. 
The FDIC will continue to monitor conditions at insured 
depository institutions for any additional stress or 
deterioration in asset quality related to the pandemic.

Q.3. Risks in Financial System: For the past 8 months much of 
everyone's focus has been on the health and economic crisis. 
But everything else hasn't stopped because of the coronavirus, 
even if at times it feels that way.
    Are there trends that you are seeing or problems you are 
concerned about that we aren't focused enough on during the 
pandemic?

A.3. While responding to the economic risks related to COVID-19 
has been a top priority for the FDIC since the beginning of the 
pandemic, our key supervisory and other essential functions 
have remained operational. Using technology, we have maintained 
our supervisory activities during the pandemic, working offsite 
to protect our examiners and bank employees. When necessary, we 
have provided institutions flexibility regarding the initiation 
of an examination; however, such extensions have generally been 
for only brief periods of time.
    We continue to actively monitor the financial system, 
including potential risks that preceded the pandemic. Among 
other things, we continue to actively monitor cybersecurity 
risks in the banking industry, and our examinations seek to 
ensure that financial institutions are appropriately managing 
their exposure to such risks. In addition, we recognize that 
the role of banks within the financial system continues to 
evolve. For example, a substantial portion of mortgage 
servicing and origination has migrated outside the banking 
system, and policymakers must consider the risks and benefits 
of this migration with respect to both financial stability and 
credit availability.

Q.4. Post-Pandemic Economy: As the pandemic continues our 
economy continues to suffer, and I am concerned that we will 
have another slow, uneven recovery like we saw after the most 
recent economic crisis. A concern I know many here share.
    What are your top priorities to make sure that that doesn't 
happen? What more should Congress be doing to address the long-
term implications of this crisis?

A.4. Although the future path of the economy remains somewhat 
uncertain, we have seen the economy begin to recover from the 
first two quarters of 2020, and we remain optimistic that as 
the vaccine distribution process will promote continued 
economic growth. Nonetheless, the FDIC remains focused on the 
resiliency of the banking sector and ensuring we are prepared 
for any possible outcomes. As we did in 2020, we will continue 
to provide needed flexibility for banks to work with their 
borrowers and modify loans when appropriate.\5\ In 2020, we 
confirmed with the staff of the
Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) that short-term 
modifications (e.g., 6 months) made on a good faith basis in 
response to COVID-19 to borrowers who were current prior to any 
relief are not troubled debt restructurings (TDRs) under ASC 
Subtopic 310-40. Additionally, under Section 4013 of the 
Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), 
loan modifications related to COVID-19, executed on loans that 
were not more than 30 days past due as of December 31, 2019, 
and executed prior to December 31, 2020, do not need to be 
categorized as TDRs. The TDR treatment provided in Section 4013 
of the CARES Act was recently extended by Congress until 
January 1, 2022. As a result, any loan modifications eligible 
under Section 4013 of the CARES Act will not need to be 
considered TDRs for the duration of 2021. These actions have 
supported the ability of banks to work with their borrowers, 
and we will continue to take additional actions as appropriate.
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    \5\ See FDIC, FIL-36-2020, Revised Interagency Statement on Loan 
Modifications by Financial Institutions Working With Customers Affected 
by the Coronavirus (Apr. 7, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
news/financial-institution-letters/2020/fil20036.html; see also FDIC-
FIL-22-2020, Interagency Statement on Loan Modifications by Financial 
Institutions Working with Customers Affected by the Coronavirus (Mar. 
22, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/financial-
institution-letters/2020/fil20022.html.

Q.5. Rural Branches: I have been long concerned about 
consolidation among financial institutions. It's hard for small 
communities to survive without a post office and a bank or 
credit union branch.
    Has the coronavirus pandemic changed trends you have been 
seeing in recent years around the closure of branches? Or 
mergers and acquisitions?
    Is there more that should be done legislatively or through 
regulation to address branch closures?

A.5. I deeply appreciate the challenge for rural communities 
posed by branch closures. The FDIC is the primary Federal 
regulator for most agricultural banks and thus understands 
these challenges firsthand. For example, between 1980 and 2010, 
more than half of all rural counties across the United States 
lost population, and the rural counties that experienced 
outflows lost 14.8 percent of their population on average.\6\ 
Although community banks in depopulating areas have been 
resilient in meeting the challenges posed by these demographic 
trends, the eroding size of the local customer base makes it 
harder to raise deposits and attract loan customers.
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    \6\ See FDIC, Long-Term Trends in Rural Depopulation and Their 
Implications for Community Banks, available at https://www.fdic.gov/
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    The need for a strong community banking sector in rural 
areas is underscored by the uneven distribution of banking 
offices across the country. As of June 30, 2019, 620 counties--
or 20 percent of the counties across the Nation--were served 
only by community banking offices, 127 counties had only one 
banking office, and 33 counties had no banking offices at 
all.\7\ We have taken a number of steps to increase the 
competitiveness of community banks, including by working to 
remove unnecessary barriers for institutions seeking to 
innovate. In addition, we continue to focus on agricultural 
lending and the ability for farm banks, which represent nearly 
one-quarter of all FDIC-insured institutions, to manage amid 
changing industry conditions.\8\ With respect to branch 
closures, insured depository institutions (IDIs) must provide 
notice of proposed closures to customers and the appropriate 
Federal banking agency, but such closures are not subject to 
application requirements or regulatory approval. Section 42 of 
the FDI Act requires IDIs to give written notice to customers 
and the appropriate Federal banking agency no later than 90 
days prior to the date of the proposed branch closure.\9\
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    \7\ See FDIC Summary of Deposits, available at https://
www7.fdic.gov/SOD.
    \8\ See FDIC 2019 Risk Review, available at https://www.fdic.gov/
bank/analytical/risk-review/full.pdf.
    \9\ 12 U.S.C. Sec.  1831r-1(a)-(b). IDIs must also post a notice on 
the premises of a branch proposed to be closed for a period of at least 
30 days prior to the proposed closing. 12 U.S.C. Sec.  1831r-
1(b)(2)(A).
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    Section 42 imposes additional notice requirements on 
interstate banks that propose to close any branch in a low- or 
moderate-income area, and, under certain circumstances, 
authorizes the appropriate Federal banking agency to take 
action to convene a meeting of stakeholders in the affected 
area.\10\ However, section 42 clarifies that such action may 
not affect the authority of the bank to close the branch so 
long as the notice requirements of section 42 are 
satisfied.\11\ The FDIC is the primary Federal supervisor for 
more than 3,000 community banks and, as such, will ensure 
through our examination and supervisory processes that these 
institutions satisfy the notice requirements of section 42, 
consistent with the Interagency Policy Statement 
ConcerningBranch Closing Notices and Policies (Policy 
Statement).\12\
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    \10\ 12 U.S.C. Sec.  1831r-1(d).
    \11\ 12 U.S.C. Sec.  1831r-1(d)(3).
    \12\ See Branch Closings, 64 Fed. Reg. 34845 (June 29, 1999), 
available at https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1999-06-29/pdf/99-
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 RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR WARREN FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. Last month, the FDIC released the 2019 Survey of Household 
Use of Banking and Financial Services, which found that 5.4 
percent of U.S. households were unbanked. Describe how the FDIC 
plans to utilize these findings to address and bring greater 
attention to some of the most common reasons why individuals do 
not have accounts at insured depository institutions, 
including:

   LNot having enough money to meet minimum balance 
        requirements

   LLack of trust in the banking system

   LHigh and unpredictable account fees

   LInconvenient hours or locations

A.1. Building on the FDIC's longstanding goal of bringing more 
Americans into the banking system, we have made significant 
progress to support communities in need, especially low- and 
moderate-income communities. As we consider additional ways to 
create a more inclusive banking system, we recognize the 
tremendous benefits that financial innovation can deliver to 
consumers, including in the areas of payments and credit. New 
technologies have the potential to bring more people into the 
banking system, provide access to new products and services, 
and lower the cost of credit.
    One example is the use of alternative data in credit 
underwriting. Alternative data is information not typically 
found in the consumer's credit files of the nationwide consumer 
reporting agencies or customarily provided as part of 
applications for credit. Using alternative data can improve the 
speed and accuracy of credit decisions and help firms evaluate 
the creditworthiness of consumers who might not otherwise have 
access to credit in the mainstream credit system. Last year, 
the FDIC, jointly with the other Federal regulators, issued a 
statement encouraging the responsible use of alternative data 
in credit underwriting to facilitate greater access to 
credit.\1\ We continue to engage with our fellow regulators to 
consider other potential steps that would further encourage and 
facilitate the use of alternative data.
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    \1\ See Federal Regulators issue joint statement on the use of 
alternative data in credit underwriting (Dec. 3, 2019), available at 
https://www.fdic.gov/news/news/press/2019/pr19117.html.
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    Similarly, we issued principles encouraging financial 
institutions to offer responsible small-dollar loans to 
customers for both consumer and small business purposes.\2\ We 
recognize the important role that such loans can play in 
helping customers meet their ongoing needs for credit due to 
temporary cash-flow imbalances, unexpected expenses, or income 
shortfalls, including during periods of economic stress, 
national emergencies, or disasters.
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    \2\ See Federal Agencies Share Principles for Offering Responsible 
Small-Dollar Loans (May 20, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
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    Small-dollar credit products and the use of alternative 
data in underwriting can create a powerful combination for low- 
and moderate-income consumers. Our new guidance documents can 
help encourage FDIC-supervised institutions to offer products 
to existing and potential customers, consistent with safe and 
sound banking principles and consumer protection laws.
    We are also working on numerous initiatives to facilitate 
partnerships between fintechs and banks. These partnerships are 
particularly important to financial inclusion, allowing banks 
to partner with fintechs that have already developed innovative 
products and underwriting methods that banks can quickly and 
safely adopt to support their customers.
    To help encourage these partnerships, the FDIC issued 
earlier this year a guide for fintechs and other third parties 
looking to work with banks.\3\ Using the guide, fintechs that 
may be new to bank partnerships can gain a better understanding 
of applicable risk management principles and the due diligence 
processes banks generally follow to meet them.
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    \3\ See FDIC, Conducting Business with Banks: A Guide For Fintechs 
And Third Parties (February 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
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    More recently, we asked stakeholders to comment on a 
groundbreaking approach to facilitate technology partnerships. 
Our request for information proposed a public/private standard-
setting partnership and voluntary certification program that 
would help reduce the cost and uncertainty associated with the 
introduction of new technology at an institution.\4\
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    \4\ See Request for Information on Standard Setting and Voluntary 
Certification for Models and Third-Party Providers of Technology and 
Other Services, 85 Fed. Reg. 44890 (July 24, 2020), available at 
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-07-24/pdf/2020-16058.pdf.
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    Risk management is an important component of third-party 
partnerships with banks. But the onboarding and due diligence 
process can be costly and time consuming for both banks and 
their potential technology vendors. These challenges are often 
amplified at community banks with tight budgets and limited 
technology expertise. The costs are also high for technology 
firms. Each bank often has a somewhat different approach to due 
diligence, and the paperwork and review requirements for 
vendors are multiplied at each new institution.
    The voluntary certification program we have proposed would 
create a standard setting organization to establish standards 
for due diligence of vendors and for the technologies they 
develop. The FDIC would participate with industry and other 
stakeholders in the development of these standards. Third-party 
providers, including fintechs could then voluntarily submit 
their organization and technologies to an independent 
certifying organization to verify conformance to the applicable 
standards. In turn, banks could rely on this certification to 
onboard the vendor and integrate the technology into bank 
operations. Banks would continue to be responsible for 
exercising appropriate oversight over these vendors, and the 
products and services offered would still need to comply with 
all applicable laws, including consumer protection and 
antidiscrimination.
    Standardizing the due diligence process and removing 
regulatory and operational uncertainty surrounding technologies 
could fundamentally change the way banks partner with 
technology firms. We received numerous comments on the 
proposal, and are reviewing them as we consider next steps.

Q.2. The FDIC supervises a large number of community banks. 
Please describe the impact of the following on the health of 
these institutions.

   LThe short-term impacts of COVID-19 and delayed 
        fiscal support.

   LThe long-term implications of depressed net 
        interest margins due to prolonged low interest rates 
        for the foreseeable future.

A.2. The FDIC closely monitors the health of the U.S. banking 
system and publicly reports on these conditions through our 
Quarterly Banking Profile. Consistent with improved economic 
activity in the third quarter of 2020, the banking industry 
reported better results relative to the first half of the 
year.\5\ Banks reported higher net income, largely because of 
lower provisions for credit losses and an increase in 
noninterest income, compared with the first two quarters of 
2020. Lower provisions reflect the improving economy and a 
general expectation from the banking industry of stabilization 
in the expected future credit performance of the loan 
portfolio. Deposit growth stabilized during the third quarter 
and is now near the average rate of growth between year-end 
2014 and year-end 2019. However, economic uncertainty and the 
low interest rate environment remain headwinds for the banking 
industry. In the third quarter, banks faced additional downward 
pressure on net interest margins, an increase in nonperforming 
loans, and a decline in loan volume. Notwithstanding these 
challenges, the number of institutions on the FDIC's ``Problem 
Bank List'' remained low, increasing to 56 from 52 the previous 
quarter.
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    \5\ See FDIC-Insured Institutions Reported Improved Profitability 
in Third Quarter 2020 (Dec. 1, 2020), available at https://
www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2020/pr20131.html.
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    Community banks continued to outperform the industry 
overall with stronger improvements in annual net income and 
loan growth. Specifically, the 4,590 FDIC-insured community 
banks reported quarterly net income of $7.3 billion, a 10 
percent increase year-over-year. However, community banks 
continued to report an annual increase in provisions, further 
net interest margin compression, and a modest increase in 
nonperforming loans.

Q.3. In its COVID sensitivity analyses, the Federal Reserve 
noted that ``Supervisors remain focused on certain firms that 
are particularly sensitive to the current economic outlook, 
whose outlooks are more optimistic than appropriate given 
current conditions, whose credit cost forecasts have not 
considered a range of possible outcomes, or whose planning has 
not been thoughtful.'' Have FDIC supervisors made any similar 
observations, either at the bank-level of the entities subject 
to the Fed's stress testing framework or for any of the banks 
under FDIC supervision? If so, what actions has the FDIC taken 
in response?

A.3. The FDIC has conducted heightened monitoring of financial 
institutions whose activities or concentrations may present 
additional concerns due to the economic consequences of the 
pandemic. We have expanded our regular risk monitoring 
activities, particularly for institutions that have 
concentrated exposures to the industries that have been most 
impacted by the pandemic. Various divisions across the FDIC 
coordinate to bring together institution-specific and 
macroeconomic information, including assessments of aggregate 
banking industry vulnerabilities to credit and liquidity risk. 
The FDIC will continue to monitor conditions at insured 
depository institutions for any additional stress or 
deterioration in asset quality related to the pandemic.

Q.4. Last month, the agencies issued a final rule for the Net 
Stable Funding Ratio, one of the key pillars of the post-crisis 
liquidity framework established by the Basel Committee. The 
final rule was substantially weaker than the proposal released 
in 2016 as a result of eliminating U.S. Treasuries and reverse 
repos from the Required Stable Funding (RSF). The cost-benefit 
analysis of that rule evaluated the costs of greater risk 
weights for these assets against the benefits of ``mitigating 
the risk of sharp price declines of level 1 liquid asset 
securities,'' and the fact that ``a small RSF requirement on 
level 1 liquid assets would ensure that covered companies fund 
a small portion of these securities from stable sources, which 
could ease the liquidity pressure caused by price declines and 
thus potentially reduce the need for liquidity support in times 
of stress.''

   LHow did the agencies consider the actions of the 
        Federal Reserve to stabilize these markets earlier this 
        year when conducting this analysis, given that no RSF 
        requirement was in place?

   LDid your agency conduct any independent analysis of 
        the impact of a small RSF requirement on the 
        disincentivizing covered companies from acting as 
        intermediaries of U.S. Treasury and repo markets during 
        times of stress? If so, please provide that analysis.

   LDoes the analysis assume that the Federal Reserve 
        will always be able to provide support to these markets 
        in the event of a crisis?

   LHow did the agencies quantify the cost of Federal 
        Reserve intervention?

A.4. Strong capital liquidity requirements for the largest, 
most systemically important banks are a key pillar of the post-
crisis regulatory framework, and our framework continues to 
apply the most rigorous capital and liquidity standards to the 
largest banks \6\ while also tailoring such standards for banks 
based on their size, risk profile, and systemic footprint. In 
2014, the FDIC, the Federal Reserve Board, and the Office of 
the Comptroller of the Currency finalized the Liquidity 
Coverage Ratio (LCR), the first quantitative liquidity standard 
for U.S. banks.\7\ The LCR requires the largest banks to 
maintain sufficient high-quality liquid assets (HQLA) to meet 
their total net cash outflows over a 30-day period.
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    \6\ These standards include the total risk-based capital ratio, 
tier 1 risk-based capital ratio, common equity tier 1 risk-based 
capital ratio, tier 1 leverage ratio, and capital conservation buffer, 
in addition to supervisory stress testing.
    \7\ See Liquidity Coverage Ratio: Liquidity Risk Measurement 
Standards, 79 Fed. Reg. 61440 (Oct. 10, 2014), available at https://
www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2014-10-10/pdf/2014-22520.pdf.
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    Larger banks are also subject to the countercyclical 
capital buffer, supplementary leverage ratio, enhanced 
supplementary leverage ratio, capital surcharge for 
systemically important banks, and total loss-absorbing capacity 
requirements, among other heightened standards.
    In October 2020, we issued a final rule to implement the 
Net Stable Funding Ratio (NSFR), which complements the LCR by 
establishing a long-term quantitative liquidity metric.\8\ The 
NSFR will require covered banks to maintain stable funding to 
support their assets, commitments, and derivatives exposures 
over a 1-year time horizon. In recognition of the low risk to a 
bank's funding profile posed by HQLA, the rule will not require 
stable funding to be held against unencumbered level 1 liquid 
assets and short-term secured lending transactions backed by 
level 1 liquid assets (e.g., U.S. Treasury securities). These 
assets serve as reliable sources of liquidity based on their 
high credit quality, and they serve a critically important role 
in supporting the smooth functioning of funding markets.
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    \8\ See Agencies Issue Final Rule to Strengthen Resilience of Large 
Banks (Oct. 20, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/press-
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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
          SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM JELENA McWILLIAMS

Q.1. Do you pledge to work with President-elect Biden's team to 
ensure an orderly transition to a new Administration?

A.1. Yes. The FDIC has met all requirements of Government 
agencies under the Presidential Transition Act of 1963. I have 
met virtually with President-elect Biden's agency review team. 
Our senior career official responsible for transition planning 
has engaged with the agency review team shortly after the 
election. FDIC staff has provided timely responses to all 
requests from the agency review team, including all interviews 
and other questions.

Q.2. Have you established office space within your agency for 
the President-elect's transition team?

A.2. The FDIC offered the agency review team physical space at 
our offices, which they did not opt to use. Consistent with 
their requests, all meetings have been conducted virtually due 
to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Q.3. Have you prepared briefing books for the President-elect's 
transition team that includes all relevant information they 
will need to know?

A.3. Yes, we prepared and delivered an extensive briefing book 
for the agency review team covering all aspects of the FDIC's 
operations and activities. In addition, we have conducted 16 
separate meetings between the agency review team and FDIC 
senior officials, and we have provided timely responses to all 
other information requests.

Q.4. Are community banks at risk of failure due to the 
inability of some of their commercial real estate or mortgage 
borrowers to pay their loan on time and in full?

A.4. The FDIC closely monitors the health of the U.S. banking 
system and publicly reports on these conditions through our 
Quarterly Banking Profile. Consistent with improved economic 
activity in the third quarter of 2020, the banking industry 
reported better results relative to the first half of the 
year.\1\ Banks reported higher net income, largely because of 
lower provisions for credit losses and an increase in 
noninterest income, compared with the first two quarters of 
2020. Lower provisions reflect the improving economy and a 
general expectation from the banking industry of stabilization 
in the expected future credit performance of the loan 
portfolio. Deposit growth stabilized during the third quarter 
and is now near the average rate of growth between year-end 
2014 and year-end 2019. However, economic uncertainty and the 
low interest rate environment remain headwinds for the banking 
industry. In the third quarter, banks faced additional downward 
pressure on net interest margins, an increase in nonperforming 
loans, and a decline in loan volume. Notwithstanding these 
challenges, the number of institutions on the FDIC's ``Problem 
Bank List'' remained low, increasing to 56 from 52 the previous 
quarter.
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    \1\ See FDIC-Insured Institutions Reported Improved Profitability 
in Third Quarter 2020 (Dec. 1, 2020), available at https://
www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2020/pr20131.html.
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    Community banks continued to outperform the industry 
overall with stronger improvements in annual net income and 
loan growth. Specifically, the 4,590 FDIC-insured community 
banks reported quarterly net income of $7.3 billion, a 10 
percent increase year-over-year. However, community banks 
continued to report an annual increase in provisions, further 
net interest margin compression, and a modest increase in 
nonperforming loans.
    The FDIC has conducted heightened monitoring of financial 
institutions whose activities or concentrations may present 
additional concerns due to the economic consequences of the 
pandemic. We have expanded our regular risk monitoring 
activities, particularly for institutions that have 
concentrated exposures to the industries that have been most 
impacted by the pandemic. Various divisions across the FDIC 
coordinate to bring together institution-specific and 
macroeconomic information, including assessments of aggregate 
banking industry vulnerabilities to credit and liquidity risk. 
The FDIC will continue to monitor conditions at insured 
depository institutions for any additional stress or 
deterioration in asset quality related to the pandemic.

Q.5. Previously, you had stated that modifications were not 
considered TDRs. Is that still the case?

A.5. Beginning in March 2020, the FDIC, jointly with the other 
Federal regulators, provided needed flexibility for banks to 
work with their borrowers and modify loans when appropriate.\2\ 
We confirmed with the staff of the Financial Accounting 
Standards Board (FASB) that short-term modifications (e.g., 6 
months) made on a good faith basis in response to COVID-19 to 
borrowers who were current prior to any relief are not troubled 
debt restructurings (TDRs) under ASC Subtopic 310-40. 
Additionally, under Section 4013 of the Coronavirus Aid, 
Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), loan 
modifications related to COVID-19, executed on loans that were 
not more than 30 days past due as of December 31, 2019 and 
executed prior to December 31, 2020, do not need to be 
categorized as TDRs. The TDR treatment provided in Section 4013 
of the CARES Act was recently extended by Congress until 
January 1, 2022. As a result, any loan modifications eligible 
under Section 4013 of the CARES Act will not need to be 
considered TDRs for the duration of 2021.
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    \2\ See FDIC, FIL-36-2020, Revised Interagency Statement on Loan 
Modifications by Financial Institutions Working with Customers Affected 
by the Coronavirus (Apr. 7, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
news/financialinstitution-letters/2020/fil20036.html; see also FDIC-
FIL-22-2020, Interagency Statement on Loan Modifications by Financial 
Institutions Working with Customers Affected by the Coronavirus (Mar. 
22, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/financial-
institution-letters/2020/fil20022.html.

Q.6. Has the FDIC issued guidance to ensure that banks are 
working with their borrowers to defer payments? Specifically, 
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pay their bills even when tenants are unable to pay the rent?

A.6. On March 13, 2020, the FDIC issued a statement encouraging 
institutions to assist consumers and communities affected by 
COVID-19.\3\ In that statement, we encouraged financial 
institutions to work with all borrowers, especially borrowers 
from industry sectors particularly vulnerable to economic 
volatility, including airlines; energy companies; travel, 
tourism, and shipping companies; small businesses; and 
independent contractors that are reliant on affected 
industries. The statement also provided that prudent efforts to 
modify the terms on existing loans for affected customers of 
FDIC-supervised banks will not be subject to examiner 
criticism. Later in March 2020, the FDIC, jointly with the 
other Federal regulators, provided needed flexibility for banks 
to work with their borrowers and modify loans when appropriate. 
The FDIC also issued responses to frequently asked questions 
(FAQs) from financial institutions, which encourage 
institutions to offer borrowers affected by COVID-19 payment 
accommodations, such as allowing borrowers to defer or skip 
payments or extending the payment due date.\4\ The FAQs also 
state that financial institutions can call their FDIC Regional 
Office, which can assist them by discussing key considerations 
and regulations on payment accommodations and disclosures.
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    \3\ See FDIC, FIL-17-2020, Regulatory Relief: Working with 
Customers Affected by the Coronavirus (Mar. 13, 2020), available at 
https://www.fdic.gov/news/financial-institution-letters/2020/
fil20017.html.
    \4\ See FDIC, Frequently Asked Questions for Financial Institutions 
Affected by the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Referred to as COVID-19), 
available at https://www.fdic.gov/coronavirus/faq-fi.pdf.

Q.7. Will your agency update the interagency guidance regarding 
Troubled Debt Restructuring to allow these COVID-19 loan 
modifications to extend beyond 6 months? Would loans with terms 
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beyond 6 months still fall within the TDR authority?

A.7. According to U.S. generally accepted accounting 
principles, a restructuring of a debt constitutes a TDR if the 
creditor, for economic or legal reasons related to the debtor's 
financial difficulties, grants a concession to the debtor that 
it would not otherwise consider. The TDR designation is an 
accounting categorization, as promulgated by FASB and codified 
in ASC Subtopic 310-40.
    As noted above, in March 2020, the FDIC and our fellow 
regulators confirmed with the staff of the FASB that short-term 
modifications (e.g., 6 months) made on a good faith basis in 
response to COVID-19 to borrowers who were current prior to any 
relief are not TDRs under ASC Subtopic 310-40. Additionally, 
under Section 4013 of the CARES Act, eligible loan 
modifications do not need to be categorized as TDRs. The TDR 
treatment provided in Section 4013 of the CARES Act was 
recently extended by Congress until January 1, 2022. As a 
result, any loan modifications eligible under Section 4013 of 
the CARES Act will not need to beconsidered TDRs for the 
duration of 2021.

Q.8. The FDIC report on unbanked and underbanked excluded the 
underbanked data. Why did this biannual study decide not to 
include underbanked individuals?

A.8. In October 2020, the FDIC released our latest biennial 
survey on household use of banking and financial services.\5\ 
The survey was conducted in June 2019, collecting responses 
from almost 33,000 households on bank account ownership, the 
primary methods banked households use to access their bank 
accounts, bank branch visits, use of prepaid cards and nonbank 
financial transaction services, and use of bank and nonbank 
credit.
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    \5\ See How America Banks: Household Use of Banking and Financial 
Services, 2019 FDIC Survey, available at https://www.fdic.gov/analysis/
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    The FDIC did not exclude underbanked households from the 
survey. In fact, the survey continues to collect detailed 
statistics on the use of nonbank financial services by American 
households. While we have eliminated the term ``underbanked'' 
from the report due to the intrinsic subjectivity of the 
definition and the evolution of the financial services system, 
the report presents extensive and detailed information about 
households that use nonbank financial products and services, as 
in prior reports.
    The FDIC's past six reports utilized five different 
definitions of ``underbanked,'' which has made it impossible to 
compare results from one survey to another. The changing 
definitions of ``underbanked'' reflect the increasing 
difficulty of capturing this term and measuring its prevalence. 
Consumers often make choices not based on whether a service is 
offered by a bank or nonbank financial institution, but based 
on factors such as price or convenience.
    Since the survey was first published more than a decade 
ago, new financial products have proliferated, and it has 
become increasingly problematic to characterize individuals who 
have bank accounts as ``underbanked'' based solely on their use 
of financial products and services offered by nonbanks. 
Further, both banks and nonbanks may offer many of the same 
products and services. For example, the 2019 survey found that 
over 32 percent of banked households used nonbank peer-to-peer 
or person-to-person (``P2P'') services. Moreover, the majority 
of those banked households fell into the highest income and 
highest education levels surveyed. Characterizing such well-
educated, higher-income households as ``underbanked'' solely 
because they used a P2P service offered by a nonbank seems not 
only inaccurate, but also inapposite to the underlying 
statutory purpose of the survey: gaining a better understanding 
of the efforts by banks to bring the unbanked into the 
conventional banking system.

Q.9. Without additional relief from Congress, how bad are 
defaults, foreclosures, and evictions going to get and what 
will be the impact on financial institutions?

A.9. Notwithstanding continued economic uncertainty related to 
the trajectory of COVID-19, the banking industry remains well 
capitalized with ample liquidity and has, to date, weathered 
the economic effects of the pandemic. The FDIC continues to 
monitor and report on conditions and take actions to support 
the ability of banks to work constructively with their 
customers.

Q.10. The recent expose of Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) 
filings sent shockwaves through the financial industry.
    The article reported multiple examples of major financial 
institutions failing to take proactive action regarding 
customers on whom they have filed SARs and/or against whom they 
have suspicions of illegal activity, how big of a concern is 
this for your agency?

A.10. The purpose of a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) filing 
is for financial institutions to describe and report to the 
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) any suspected or 
potential illegal activity they observe. However, the filing of 
a SAR is not itself evidence of wrongdoing. Each insured 
financial institution \6\ is required to file SARs based on the 
relatively low-level evidentiary threshold of ``suspicion.'' As 
such, there are no Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) requirements for 
financial institutions to terminate a customer relationship 
after identifying potentially suspicious activities.
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substitute for the term ``bank'' and ``State bank'' as defined in 
Section 3 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act.
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    After the filing of an initial SAR, financial institutions 
are requested pursuant to FinCEN's guidance to file additional 
SARs (commonly referred to as ``continuing activity SARs'') 
with FinCEN every 90 days if a customer's unusual or suspicious 
transactions continue. Ultimately, the decision to establish, 
maintain, or close an account is made by a financial 
institution in accordance with its own policies, procedures, 
and processes. Those decisions are made based on the 
information available to the financial institution, the 
institution's customer risk profile, and the institution's 
assessment of ongoing risks associated with its customer.
    The BSA provides financial institutions with flexibility in 
how they develop risk-based procedures and monitoring processes 
for the purpose of updating customer due diligence information 
and determining when to close accounts. As part of their BSA/
AML compliance program requirement, FDIC-supervised financial 
institutions are required to have written policies, procedures, 
and processes that, among other things, address the 
identification and reporting of suspicious activity and the 
escalation process for decisions to maintain or terminate 
customer relationships based on relevant factors, including SAR 
filings. If the financial institution chooses to maintain an 
account, it is required to comply with all applicable BSA 
requirements, including requirements to conduct ongoing 
monitoring on the basis of risk, and, as appropriate, file 
SARs, including, as applicable, continuing activity SARs.
    An important consideration when evaluating financial 
institutions' actions regarding customers on whom they have 
filed SARs is that law enforcement may send ``keep open'' 
letters to financial institutions requesting, but not 
requiring, they keep accounts open, so as not to impair ongoing 
investigations. Although there is no requirement that a 
financial institution keep accounts open, FinCEN has encouraged 
financial institutions to be mindful that complying with a 
``keep open'' request may further law enforcement efforts to 
combat money laundering, terrorist financing, and other crimes. 
In the event a financial institution keeps the account open, 
the financial institution still must comply with its 
requirement to file SARs when appropriate.
    Under Section 8(s) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act 
(FDIA), FDIC's examination of an institution is required to 
include a review of the institution's BSA/AML compliance 
program, and FDIC reports of examination are required to 
describe any problems with the compliance program. Furthermore, 
section 8(s)(3) of the FDIA requires the FDIC to issue a cease 
and desist order against an institution if it has defects in 
its BSA/AML compliance program in one or more program 
components that indicate that either the written BSA/AML 
compliance program or its implementation is not effective. 
Examples include, but are not limited to, deficiencies that are 
coupled with other aggravating factors, such as (i) highly 
suspicious activity creating a potential for significant money 
laundering, terrorist financing, or other illicit financial 
transactions, (ii) patterns of structuring to evade reporting 
requirements, and (iii) systemic failures to file SARs, or 
other required BSA reports.
    Historically, during any given time period, the 
overwhelming majority of FDIC-supervised financial institutions 
subject to examinations have BSA/AML compliance programs, 
including SAR monitoring and reporting processes that are 
considered acceptable by FDIC examiners.

Q.11. One of the allegations in the investigation was that 
financial institutions did not list the relationship manager 
within their own institution. Is your agency aware of whether 
this problem is prevalent?

A.11. The financial institution's relationship manager is not a 
required SAR data input field. On June 19, 2000, the Federal 
financial institutions supervisory agencies, together with 
FinCEN, issued a revised SAR form effective December 31, 
2000.\7\ As part of the modifications to the SAR form, two 
sections requiring ``witness'' and ``preparer information'' 
were replaced with Part IV, ``Contact for Assistance.'' 
Subsequent revisions to the SAR form associated with FinCEN's 
July 1, 2012,\8\ implementation of a new BSA E-Filing system, 
replaced the ``Contact for Assistance'' field with ``Filing 
Institution Contact Office'' and ``Filing Institution Contact 
Phone Number.'' These revisions further anonymized the specific 
financial institution personnel involved in the SAR filing for 
the safety of such individuals in case a SAR was made public.
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    \7\ See Revised Suspicious Activity Report Form (SAR) (June 19, 
2020), available at https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/revised-
suspicious-activity-report-form-sar.
    \8\ See Filing FinCEN's new Currency Transaction Report and 
Suspicious Activity Report (Mar. 29, 2012), available at https://
www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-regulations/guidance/filing-fincens-
new-currency-transaction-report-and.
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    Current SARs cannot be submitted by financial institutions 
to FinCEN without the required financial institution ``Contact 
Office'' and ``Phone Number'' fields. Since every SAR has a 
financial institution contact office for law enforcement and 
regulatory personnel to contact in order to obtain additional 
information about the SAR filing, the FDIC does not believe 
failure to list a relationship manager is a prevalent problem.

Q.12. It is important that SARs remain confidential. Are you 
working with FinCEN to ensure future leaks will not occur?

A.12. The FDIC recognizes the importance of SAR 
confidentiality. The unauthorized disclosure of SARs is a crime 
that can impact the national security of the United States, 
compromise law enforcement investigations, and threaten the 
safety and security of the institutions and individuals who 
file such reports. It is critical that the existence of a SAR 
be kept confidential, as well as the information contained in 
the SAR. It is essential to the partnership between the 
financial industry and Government that sensitive and 
confidential financial and personal information reported to 
FinCEN be protected.
    Given the confidential nature of this information, we 
continually stress the importance of SAR confidentiality and 
security with the intuitions we supervise, with our staff, and 
with the other regulators, including FinCEN, to ensure 
protection of data.
    The FDIC is aware that FinCEN has referred this particular 
SAR disclosure matter to the U.S. Department of Justice and the 
U.S. Department of the Treasury's Office of Inspector General. 
The FDIC is not privy to the source or circumstances 
surrounding the leak. Once such information is available to the 
FDIC, we will be in a better position to work with FinCEN to 
implement any necessary additional, proactive measures to 
ensure SAR data confidentiality and security.

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  RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTION OF SENATOR SINEMA FROM JELENA 
                           McWILLIAMS

Q.1. As you know, the commercial real estate (CRE) market is 
under extreme pressure due to this pandemic. Collapse of this 
market would be disastrous to Arizona communities. In April, 
the regulators released the ``Interagency Statement on Loan 
Modifications and Reporting for Financial Institutions Working 
with Customers Affected by the Coronavirus.'' This guidance 
allowed financial institutions to modify existing CRE loans 
impacted by the coronavirus. While this guidance was helpful 
and much-needed, it now requires updating. Are there plans to 
update this guidance to allow these COVID loan modifications to 
extend beyond 6 months?

A.1. Beginning in March 2020, the FDIC and our fellow 
regulators provided needed flexibility for banks to work with 
their borrowers and modify loans when appropriate.\1\ We 
confirmed with the staff of the Financial Accounting Standards 
Board (FASB) that short-term modifications (e.g., 6 months) 
made on a good faith basis in response to COVID-19 to borrowers 
who were current prior to any relief are not troubled debt 
restructurings (TDRs) under ASC Subtopic 310-40. Additionally, 
under Section 4013 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic 
Security Act (CARES Act), loan modifications related to COVID-
19, executed on loans that were not more than 30 days past due 
as of December 31, 2019, and executed prior to December 31, 
2020, do not need to be categorized as TDRs. The TDR treatment 
provided in Section 4013 of the CARES Act was recently extended 
by Congress until January 1, 2022. As a result, any loan 
modifications eligible under Section 4013 of the CARES Act will 
not need to be considered TDRs for the duration of 2021.
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    \1\ See FDIC, FIL-36-2020, Revised Interagency Statement on Loan 
Modifications by Financial Institutions Working With Customers Affected 
by the Coronavirus (Apr. 7, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/
news/financial-institution-letters/2020/fil20036.html; see also FDIC-
FIL-22-2020, Interagency Statement on Loan Modifications by Financial 
Institutions Working With Customers Affected by the Coronavirus (Mar. 
22, 2020), available at https://www.fdic.gov/news/financial-
institution-letters/2020/fil20022.html.
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RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR TOOMEY FROM RODNEY E. 
                              HOOD

Q.1. What is the likelihood of NCUA charging a Share Insurance 
Fund premium either this year or next year?

A.1. As required by the Federal Credit Union Act, the NCUA must 
maintain an equity ratio between 1.2 and 1.5 percent in the 
National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF). There are 
several scenarios under which the NCUA would be required to 
assess an insurance premium based on the equity ratio. For 
example:

   LIf the equity ratio falls below 1.3 percent, the 
        NCUA may assess an insurance premium to insured credit 
        unions to restore the equity ratio up to, but not 
        above, 1.3 percent.

   LIf it is projected that the equity ratio will fall 
        below 1.2 percent within 6 months of determination, or 
        if the equity ratio has actually fallen below 1.2 
        percent, the NCUA must establish and implement a fund 
        restoration plan within 90 days to restore and maintain 
        the equity ratio at 1.2 percent.

   LIn the event that the equity ratio falls below 1 
        percent, the NCUA would require insured credit unions 
        to recapitalize the NCUSIF in addition to the insurance 
        premiums assessed by the NCUA.

    The NCUA calculates the equity ratio bi-annually as of June 
30 and December 31 each year. The NCUSIF equity ratio is 
calculated as the sum of NCUSIF contributed capital and results 
of operations, less any unrealized gains, divided by the total 
insured shares. The equity ratio can decline either through a 
decrease in the retained earnings from the NCUSIF operating 
results or an increase in the total insured shares.
    As of the June 30, 2020, calculation, the NCUSIF equity 
ratio declined by 13 basis points in a 6-month period to 1.22 
percent. The decline in the equity ratio during this period was 
the result of unprecedented growth in insured shares during the 
first 6 months of 2020. Insured shares grew at a nonannualized 
rate of 12.95 percent. Historically, the average insured share 
growth rate has been 4.58 percent. The sum of contributed 
capital and retained earnings, less contingent liabilities, 
also increased during the 6 months, but at a much lower rate 
than the insured shares. Based on forecasted share insurance 
growth and fund equity values, the NCUA projected the December 
31, 2020, NCUSIF equity ratio at 1.32 percent.
    At this time, the NCUA does not project that the NCUSIF 
equity ratio will fall below 1.2 percent in the next 6 months. 
As always, economic uncertainties could impact the accuracy of 
this projection, including the length of time necessary for a 
full economic recovery and the impacts on the financial 
services industry. Likewise, continued strong growth in insured 
shares and low interest rate returns on the NCUSIF portfolio 
are also factors that depress the equity ratio. While economic 
stress related to COVID-19 has lowered net interest margins 
impacting earnings, asset quality and capital adequacy remain 
strong. The NCUA continues to evaluate how a variety of stress 
scenarios could impact the NCUSIF's performance in the event a 
fund restoration plan becomes necessary.

Q.2. What is the status of NCUA's efforts to improve 
examinations, including by making them less burdensome, 
streamlining virtual examinations, and improving the agency's 
use of technology?

A.2. In 2017, the NCUA Board approved the virtual examination 
project and associated resources to research methods to conduct 
offsite as many aspects of the examination and supervision 
processes as possible. Currently, the program is in the 
research and discovery phase. During this phase, the NCUA 
researching ways it can harness new and emerging data, assess 
advancements in analytical techniques, and utilize innovative 
technologies. Additionally, the NCUA is identifying ways to 
improve its supervisory approach and to move to a more virtual-
based examination model in the next 5 to 10 years. By 
identifying and adopting alternative methods to remotely 
analyze much of the financial and operational condition of a 
credit union, with equivalent or improved effectiveness 
relative to current examinations, it may be possible to 
significantly reduce the frequency and scope of onsite 
examinations. However, this examination model will encompass 
more than just the element of working offsite. The NCUA seeks 
to modernize and reengineer the way the agency:

   LCollects data from credit unions;

   LPerforms analytics and evaluate risk through 
        advanced analytics tools; and

   LConducts the examination by incorporating 
        alternative examination techniques, tools, and 
        automation.

    The virtual examination model should lead to greater use of 
standardized interaction protocols, advanced analytical 
capabilities, and subject matter experts, resulting in more 
consistent and accurate supervisory determinations, providing 
greater clarity and consistency with respect to how the agency 
conducts supervisory oversight, and reducing coordination 
challenges between agency and institution staff. Through this 
modernization effort, the NCUA intends to reduce the burden on 
credit unions, improve offsite supervision capabilities, 
provide more consistency and standardization for the 
examination and supervision process, and explore and evaluate 
technology utilization and the industry's interest in adopting 
the technology.
    The first step in this modernization initiative is the 
NCUA's Enterprise Solution Modernization program. This is a 
long-term effort to introduce emerging and secure technology in 
support of the agency's examination, data collection, and 
reporting efforts. The modernization's objectives include 
streamlining and aligning examination and data processes, 
technology, and infrastructure across business functions, as 
well as gaining process efficiencies with integrated, scalable 
platforms, and robust tools. The first project of this 
initiative, a new examination tool, was introduced to pilot 
participants in September 2019; due to the COVID-19 pandemic, 
however, the broader rollout was delayed until 2021.
    The new examination tool will make examinations less 
burdensome by providing the ability to securely request and 
submit documents and information for the examination in an 
organized manner that is easily accessible to members of an 
exam team. It also reduces burden by giving credit unions the 
opportunity to manage examination findings and view completed 
examination reports securely from one application. Integrated 
robust financial analytics, including loan and share analytics 
helps provides support for virtual examinations. This new 
examination tool leverages technology with a scalable 
infrastructure to facilitate and streamline a virtual 
examination program.

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 RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTION OF SENATOR ROUNDS FROM RODNEY E. 
                              HOOD

Q.1. I appreciate the work that all of you have been doing to 
help your respective constituents meet the needs of their 
customers during this difficult time. As I noted in my 
conversation with Vice Chair Quarles, I have a number of 
outstanding concerns about some of the unintended consequences 
that may occur as a result of the unique economic events we're 
experiencing combined with how consumer activity is changing 
the balance sheets of banks and credit unions.
    Chairman McWilliams said in her written testimony, ``The 
FDIC is also actively considering similar targeted adjustments 
to further mitigate unintended consequences resulting from 
pandemic-related Government programs.'' I know that the 
Paycheck Protection Program and Economic Impact Payments in 
particular have resulted in significant cash-flow changes that 
have made financial institutions look temporarily much larger 
than normal for the purposes of their capital treatment. Are 
there other Government programs that have had a similar impact?
    What specific adjustments are you considering as a result 
of these Government responses?

A.1. I am actively considering options that the agency can take 
to provide relief from rules that are tied to assets. Many of 
our credit unions have grown due to an unexpected high volume 
of deposits that has flowed into these credit unions.
    At the NCUA's November Board meeting, the Board approved a 
proposed rule change that would allow credit unions to 
capitalize interest when considering loan modifications for 
borrowers that have experienced financial distress. We believe 
this rule change would be particularly helpful for borrowers 
who have mortgages that have been in forbearance for an 
extended period of time.
    In April 2020, the Board unanimously approved an interim 
final rule that amended the NCUA's capital adequacy, member 
business loans, and commercial lending regulations following 
the creation of the Small Business Administration's Paycheck 
Protection Program (PPP).
    The interim rule amended the NCUA's capital adequacy 
regulation so that covered PPP loans receive a zero-percent 
risk weight in the agency's risk-based net worth requirements. 
In addition, if a PPP loan is pledged as collateral for a 
nonrecourse loan provided through the Federal Reserve System's 
PPP Lending Facility, the pledged loan can be excluded from a 
federally insured credit union's calculation of total assets 
for the purposes of calculating its net worth ratio.
    Also in April 2020, the NCUA Board approved an interim 
final rule that enhanced the Central Liquidity Facility (CLF) 
regulations and supplemented legislative changes made by the 
Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act. 
This interim final rule:

   LEliminated the 6-month waiting period for a new 
        member to receive a loan;

   LMade temporary amendments to the waiting period for 
        a federally insured credit union to terminate its 
        membership;

   LEased collateral requirements on some assets; and

   LAllows, temporarily, for an agent member to borrow 
        for its own liquidity needs.

Besides announcing statutory and regulatory changes to the CLF, 
the NCUA also provided substantial guidance on the benefits of 
joining the CLF for both individual credit unions, and the 
credit union system as a whole.
    In addition, the Board unanimously approved in April 2020, 
a temporary final rule that offers credit unions temporary 
regulatory relief. This rule temporarily raised the maximum 
aggregate amount of loan participations that a federally 
insured credit union may purchase from a single originating 
lender without needing a waiver from their NCUA Regional 
Director.
    Under the rule, a Federal credit union no longer has to 
refinance a purchased obligation so that it matches the types 
of loans the credit union is allowed to make. The final rule 
also suspended the required timeframes for the occupancy or 
disposal of properties held by Federal credit unions that are 
not being used to conduct business or that have been abandoned.
    In May 2020, the Board also approved an interim final rule 
that made two temporary changes to the NCUA's prompt corrective 
action regulations that provide relief to credit unions that 
temporarily fall below well capitalized. This interim rule 
temporarily reduced the earnings retention requirement for 
credit unions classified as adequately capitalized. Those 
credit unions that cannot meet the earnings retention 
requirement will not have to submit a written application 
requesting approval to decrease their earnings retention 
amount. If a credit union poses an undue risk to the Share 
Insurance Fund or exhibits material safety and soundness 
concerns, the appropriate NCUA Regional Director may require 
the credit union to submit an earnings transfer waiver request.
    The NCUA provided more information on regulatory relief 
measures related to the agency's prompt corrective action 
regulations in a Letter to Credit Unions 20-CU-18, Prompt 
Corrective Action Regulatory Relief Measures in Response to the 
COVID-19 Pandemic (https://www.ncua.gov/regulation-supervision/
letters-credit-unions-other-guidance/prompt-corrective-action-
regulatory-relief-measures-response-covid-19-pandemic). This 
was issued in anticipation that some credit unions may 
experience a temporary reduction in earnings and capital due to 
their COVID-19 response efforts. The letter describes the 
administrative order approved pursuant to Sec.  702.201 that 
reduced the amount of earnings retention required for credit 
unions classified as adequately capitalized. Additionally, the 
letter describes credit unions' authority to submit a 
streamlined Net Worth Restoration Plan if their net worth ratio 
declined to undercapitalized predominantly due to temporary 
share growth as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
    Also in the April 2020, NCUA Board meeting, the Board 
approved a final rule that increased the threshold level where 
an appraisal is not required for residential real estate-
related transactions, from $250,000 to $400,000. This rule was 
communicated to credit unions in Letter to Credit Unions 20-CU-
10, Residential Appraisals Threshold Increase and Other COVID-
19 Related Relief Measures (https://www.ncua.gov/regulation-
supervision/letters-credit-unions-other-guidance/residential-
appraisals-threshold-increase-and-other-covid-19-related-
relief-measures). If the property involved in such a 
transaction falls below the threshold, federally insured credit 
unions will generally be required to obtain written estimates 
of the market value of the real estate, consistent with safe 
and sound practices. The final rule became effective upon 
publication in the Federal Register on April 30, 2020.
    Further, the Board approved an interim final rule in the 
same April 2020, Board meeting that allows a federally insured 
credit union to temporarily defer certain appraisals and 
evaluations for up to 120 days when alternatives are 
unavailable and when the appraisal or evaluation would delay 
the closing of the residential or commercial real estate loan 
transaction. This interim rule covers all real-estate related 
transactions except those for acquisition, development, and 
construction of real estate.
    The NCUA Examiner's Guide was amended to include a COVID-19 
chapter, which serves as a central source of guidance for 
examiners as they continue to work with credit unions during 
this pandemic. This chapter contains guidance specific to 
provisions of the CARES Act and relief measures approved by the 
NCUA Board that relate to the agency's examination program.
    Through the NCUA's offsite examination stance, agency 
examiners are working to assist credit unions with the 
individual and unique challenges imposed by the COVID-19 
pandemic. NCUA examiners consider the circumstances each credit 
union is facing when reviewing an institution's financial and 
operational conditions. The Examiner's Guide reiterates the 
NCUA's position that examiners will not criticize a credit 
union's prudent relief for members, provided it is conducted in 
a reasonable manner with proper controls and management 
oversight.
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RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR TESTER FROM RODNEY E. 
                              HOOD

Impact of Pandemic on Regulatory Asset Thresholds
Q.1. During the pandemic, because of participation in the 
Paycheck Protection Program, EIDL, EIP, USDA emergency 
programs, and others--as Chairman Crapo and Senator Toomey 
highlighted during the hearing--a number of financial 
institutions have grown to new regulatory thresholds, and for 
many this will be temporary.
    I'm very proud of the work that community banks and credit 
unions in Montana have done to help their communities during 
this health and economic crisis, particularly the effort it has 
taken to make the Paycheck Protection Program work despite many 
challenges. I am concerned though that these community 
financial institutions will face unnecessary consequences from 
these important programs and may be unable to participate in 
future rounds of these stimulus programs.
    Thank you to you all for your focus on the disproportionate 
impact that these increased assets have on smaller 
institutions. This is a problem I'm hearing about directly from 
Montanans, and like you we've seen that these pandemic-related 
assets have a more significant impact the smaller a bank is. 
Especially for these smaller banks, the problems with increased 
pandemic-related assets are not limited to PPP.
    I know that this is something all of your agencies are 
looking into and some have taken action on. I appreciated 
hearing your answers to the Chairman's question, and I look 
forward to continuing to work with you all on this issue.
    What can your agencies do to ensure financial institutions 
are not punished for participating in these programs while also 
maintaining the safety and soundness of the system?

A.1. I strongly support credit unions' efforts to assist their 
members through the use of various governmental programs 
intended for relief, especially during this pandemic. In 
response to the pandemic, and as a result of the CARES Act, the 
NCUA Board
approved several measures to support credit unions by providing 
flexibility in regulatory asset thresholds.
    In April 2020, the NCUA Board approved an interim final 
rule that amended the NCUA's capital adequacy (NCUA regulation 
part 702, Capital Adequacy, https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-
12/chapter-VII/subchapter-A/part-702?toc=1), and member 
business loans and commercial lending (NCUA regulation part 
723, Member Business Loans; Commercial Lending, https://
www.ecfr.gov/current/title-12/chapter-VII/subchapter-A/part-
723) regulations following the creation of the SBA's Paycheck 
Protection Program.
    Under the interim final rule, the NCUA's capital adequacy 
regulation was amended to assign covered PPP loans a zero-
percent risk weight in the agency's risk-based net worth 
requirements. In addition, for the purposes of calculating a 
federally insured credit union FICU's net worth PPP loan 
pledged as collateral for a nonrecourse loan provided through 
the Federal Reserve System's PPP Lending Facility can be 
excluded from the FICU's calculation of total assets.
    In May 2020, the NCUA Board approved an interim final rule 
that made two temporary changes to the NCUA's prompt corrective 
action (PCA) regulation (NCUA regulation part 702, Capital 
Adequacy) that provides relief to credit unions that 
temporarily fall below well capitalized.
    The first change temporarily reduced the earnings retention 
requirement to zero for credit unions classified as adequately 
capitalized. PCA establishes the earnings retention requirement 
applicable to FICUs that are not well capitalized. This annual 
earnings retention requirement is a net worth amount equal to 
not less than 0.4 percent of their total assets. The NCUA Board 
used its authority to reduce the earnings retention requirement 
to ease the regulatory burden while maintaining safety in the 
system. The terms of the earnings retention requirement were 
issued in a separate administrative order in June 2020.
    The second temporary change affects credit unions that 
experience a decline in their net worth ratio predominantly due 
to share growth. For these credit unions, the NCUA Board will 
temporarily permit the submission of a streamlined Net Worth 
Restoration Plan (NWRP). The streamlined NWRP must attest that:

  (1) LThe reduction in the credit union's net worth ratio to 
        an undercapitalized (has a net worth ratio of 4 percent 
        to 5.99 percent) classification was predominantly 
        caused by share growth; and

  (2) LSuch share growth is a temporary condition caused by 
        COVID-19.

    In these cases, the FICU may submit a simplified NWRP 
noting that the FICU fell into the undercapitalized category 
because of share growth. If a credit union poses an undue risk 
to the Share Insurance Fund or exhibits material safety and 
soundness concerns, a formal earnings transfer waiver request 
may be required.
    The NCUA is required by statute to assess Share Insurance 
Fund premiums based on a credit union's insured shares, not 
total assets. For this reason, there are several key regulatory 
measures that are not impacted by PPP loans, such as premiums 
or capitalization. Additionally, it is important to note that 
federally insured, State-chartered credit unions are not 
assessed an annual operating fee by the NCUA.

Q.2. Can you do this all on your own or are there areas that 
require action from Congress?

A.2. I have met with Members of Congress to discuss the 
importance of the CARES Act provisions and the need for 
extensions during the COVID-19 pandemic. I thank Congress for 
extending the CLF and TDR CARES Act provisions in the 
Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. These provisions, 
described below, are vital to ensuring recovery during the 
pandemic.
    In April 2020, the NCUA Board approved an interim final 
rule that amended its CLF regulation (NCUA regulation part 725, 
National Credit Union Administration Central Liquidity 
Facility, https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-12/chapter-VII/
subchapter-A/part-725). The interim final rule provides credit 
unions greater access to liquidity to help credit unions remain 
operational throughout the crisis, makes it easier and more 
attractive for credit unions to join the CLF, and it includes 
several amendments to conform to the CARES Act. This rulemaking 
is set to expire on December 31, 2021. The Board is unable to 
extend this regulatory relief beyond what is included in the 
CARES Act and lengthened in the Consolidated Appropriations 
Act, 2021.
    The statutory changes made by the CARES Act to the NCUA's 
CLF also provide credit unions with essential liquidity 
protection. As of December 4, 2020, the facility's borrowing 
authority stands at $32.8 billion--an increase of $22.3 billion 
since April--a direct result of the CARES Act. In total, 4,145 
credit unions (or 80 percent) of all federally insured credit 
unions now have access to the CLF. Section 4016 of the CARES 
Act increased the maximum legal borrowing authority from 12 to 
16 times the subscribed capital stock and provides CLF access 
to members of corporate credit unions.
    The TDR provision in the CARES Act (Section 4013) has given 
credit unions additional flexibility to offer better workouts 
for borrowers experiencing difficulties than they could 
normally offer. As of September 2020, call reports show the 
industry is increasing their allowance accounts in anticipation 
of future loan losses. These improved loan arrangements have 
proven to be critical for countless borrowers who have lost 
income due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Impact of Pandemic on Safety and Soundness
Q.3. This pandemic has had significant impacts on our economy 
and communities throughout the country.
    As you continue examinations, what impact are you seeing 
these factors have on the banks and credit unions you regulate?

A.3. The pandemic is affecting credit unions and their members 
to varying degrees. The credit union industry has a long 
history of
assisting their members in times of need and the NCUA continues 
to encourage credit unions to work with affected members. Like 
other industries, credit unions adapted to changing working and 
economic environments; they have adapted well, as credit unions 
are generally open and serving their members during the 
pandemic.
    Similar to the Great Recession, there was a flight to 
safety resulting in the credit union industry experiencing high 
share growth in 2020. Americans who have kept their jobs have 
increased their savings rates dramatically, and those who lost 
their jobs have been helped by income support from the CARES 
Act and the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. Credit 
unions and other financial institutions have been entrusted 
with those savings. Over the last year, as shown in the NCUA 
Call Report data from September 30, 2019, and September 30, 
2020, shares have grown nearly 26 percent and, as can be 
expected, assets grew by almost 20 percent. As a result, many 
credit unions saw a decline in their net worth ratio as asset 
growth outpaced net worth growth. The credit union industry saw 
a decline in net worth over the past year from 11.39 percent as 
of September 30, 2019, to 10.44 percent as of September 30, 
2020. The industry as a whole, however, remains well 
capitalized and strong.
    As credit unions continue to work with members, their 
strategic plans are changing. Credit unions are preparing for 
lower earnings resulting from low interest rates and higher 
provision for loan losses in response to credit issues. A 
significant share of auto and mortgage loans went into 
forbearance at the start of the crisis and many borrowers are 
still in this status. With elevated unemployment rates and the 
sharp impacts of the crisis on specific industries (for 
example, leisure and hospitality), the pandemic is affecting 
credit union members throughout the country and thus has 
increased credit risk.
    Going forward, the industry will face not just increased 
credit risk, but will also have to deal with the prospect of 
compressed margins. When interest rates decline, as they have 
since February, there is a tendency for net interest margins 
(NIMs) to shrink. Although a downward trend in credit union 
NIMs has been evident for several decades, with historically 
low interest rates and little likelihood that they will rise 
materially anytime soon, credit unions are likely to find 
shrinking NIMs are a significant challenge. Additionally, as 
with banks, credit unions are offering relief to their members 
in the form of loan forbearance, which reduces earnings as the 
inflow of loan payments decreases during forbearance.

Q.4. Is this impact different on smaller, community 
institutions?

A.4. In general, credit unions tend to be relatively small 
institutions. The vast majority have less than $1 billion in 
assets and all but a handful have less than $10 billion in 
assets. Accordingly, the NCUA is nuanced when describing 
effects for credit unions of different sizes; by an absolute 
standard, almost all of our regulated institutions are modest 
in size.
    In some ways, the impact of the pandemic on smaller credit 
unions (under $50 million in assets) can be more severe than 
larger institutions. For example, a smaller credit union may 
find it more difficult to serve remote members if they haven't 
invested in the latest technology. Smaller credit unions 
frequently serve a field of membership that is concentrated in 
one employer or industry. In relative terms, however, there are 
moderate increases in assets and shares among our smaller 
credit unions. Assets and shares have grown materially 
throughout the system, but larger credit unions have expanded 
their balance sheets the most.
    It is still too early to make a reliable determination 
about whether credit risk at smaller credit unions has 
increased or decreased. Also, many other factors will affect a 
credit union's credit risk profile through the course of this 
crisis. Given the uneven effects of the crisis, much will 
depend on a credit union's field of membership, geographic 
footprint, and loan portfolio.
    Large and small credit unions alike have seen their 
interest margins shrink. The latest data suggest that smaller 
credit unions may have seen slightly larger declines, but 
smaller credit unions tended to have higher interest margins 
prior to the crisis. It is difficult to predict whether the 
difference between interest margins at small and large credit 
unions will continue to shrink in the coming quarters. As of 
September 30, 2020, small credit unions remain strong and well 
capitalized (97 percent) with a net worth of approximately 16 
percent, a slight decline from approximately 17 percent as of 
September 30, 2019. The reason for the decline is similar to 
the rest of the credit union industry--asset growth outpaced 
net worth growth, but to a smaller degree. Small credit unions 
also saw the impact of a flight to safety as shares grew in 
small credit unions by approximately 8 percent.
Risks in Financial System:
Q.5. For the past 8 months, much of everyone's focus has been 
on the health and economic crisis. But everything else hasn't 
stopped because of the coronavirus, even if at times it feels 
that way.
    Are there trends that you are seeing or problems you are 
concerned about that we aren't focused enough on during the 
pandemic?

A.5. The NCUA continues to focus on its top pandemic-related 
priorities:

  (1) Lthe health and safety of NCUA staff and contractors;

  (2) Lthe impact on credit union operations; and

  (3) Lthe impact on credit unions' financial condition.

    In March 2020, the agency successfully transitioned to an 
offsite stance, enabling us to reduce the risk to staff while 
still performing our mission and essential functions. 
Additionally, the NCUA provided credit unions with guidance on 
operating during the pandemic and implemented regulatory relief 
where feasible.
    Throughout the pandemic, in particular, increased telework 
and heavy leverage of information technology to support remote 
operations has increased cybersecurity risks, both in the 
broader financial services sector and in the credit union 
industry. Indeed, the NCUA has seen an increase in fraudulent 
activity, such as phishing, identity theft, and ransomware. In 
partnership with the Treasury Department, the FBI, and other 
agencies, the NCUA issued an August 2020 guidance letter that 
updated credit unions about the fraud risks associated with 
operations under COVID-19. The agency continues to monitor 
developments in these areas.
    While the anticipated adverse financial trends of COVID-19 
have not yet fully materialized, the NCUA is also monitoring 
credit unions' cash, liquidity, loan delinquencies, loan 
losses, and loan forbearance programs. The agency has analyzed 
a range of outcomes and their impact on credit unions' net 
worth and the impact on the Share Insurance Fund to anticipate 
and prepare for a range of potential outcomes.
Post-Pandemic Economy
Q.6. As the pandemic continues our economy continues to suffer, 
and I am concerned that we will have another slow, uneven 
recovery like we saw after the most recent economic crisis. A 
concern I know many here share.
    What are your top priorities to make sure that that doesn't 
happen?

A.6. I have been working diligently on a number of fronts to 
mitigate the impact that this pandemic has had on credit unions 
and their members, particularly those from underserved and 
lower-income communities. A good example is the recent Letter 
to Credit Unions 21-FCU-03, Underserved Area Expansions, 
https://ncua.gov/regulation-supervision/letters-credit-unions-
other-guidance/underserved-area-expansions-0. The credit union 
industry has a long history of assisting its member-owners in 
times of need, as we are experiencing right now. The NCUA 
supports credit unions' efforts to work with affected members. 
For example, a credit union may work with a borrower to extend 
the terms of repayment or otherwise restructure the borrower's 
debt obligations. Such efforts can ease pressures on troubled 
borrowers, improve their capacities to service debt, and 
strengthen a credit union's ability to collect on its loans.
    To reflect the agency's response to the economic conditions 
that emerged in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as 
various statutory and regulatory changes that occurred since 
March 2020, the NCUA updated its 2020 supervisory priorities in 
July 2020 in Letter to Credit Unions 20-CU-22, Update to NCUA's 
2020 Supervisory Priorities, https://ncua.gov/regulation-
supervision/letters-credit-unions-other-guidance/update-ncuas-
2020-supervisory-priorities. The update to the NCUA's 
supervisory priorities focused supervisory attention on:

   LConsumer financial protection based on the 
        potential for increased consumer compliance risk 
        resulting from the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on 
        consumers;

   LCompliance with the applicable provisions outlined 
        in the CARES Act;

   LCredit risk management and allowance for loan and 
        lease losses reviews in response to delays in the FASB 
        requirement to comply with CECL;

   LLiquidity risk reviews in light of the COVID-19 
        economic impact; and

   LInformation systems and assurance reviews using the 
        newly deployed InTREx-CU tool. The InTREx-CU is a newly
        deployed security tool to aid examiners and credit 
        unions in finding and mitigating potential information 
        security risks and program deficiencies.

    The NCUA also provides grants and loans through the 
Community Development Revolving Loan Fund (CDRLF) program, 
which helps low-income-designated credit unions provide basic 
financial services to their members and stimulate economic 
activity in their communities. Early on in the pandemic, the 
NCUA committed the majority of its 2020 CDRLF allocation to 
COVID-19 assistance. The agency awarded $3.7 million in grants 
and no-interest loans to 162 low-income credit unions to help 
them better serve their members and communities during the 
pandemic. Forty-eight of the credit unions receiving this 
assistance were Minority Depository Institutions (MDIs). Some 
of the funding took the form of rental, mortgage, and utility 
payment assistance to members, such as entrepreneurs, small 
business owners, and hospitality/service industry employees.
    Looking forward, I believe that efforts to promote 
financial inclusion will be paramount in ensuring that our 
economic recovery is broad and evenly shared. At its core, 
financial inclusion means expanding access to safe and 
affordable financial services for unbanked and underserved 
people and communities, as well as broadening employment and 
business opportunities. In short, these Americans are most at 
risk of being left behind in an economic recovery. Throughout 
my tenure, I have encouraged the NCUA to identify new and 
innovative ways to bring more Americans into the financial 
mainstream. To this end, I am pleased to report that the agency 
launched a new initiative in October called ACCESS, or 
Advancing Communities through Credit, Education, Stability, & 
Support, https://ncua.gov/support-services/access. Comprised of 
representatives from across the agency, this initiative will 
refresh and modernize regulations, policies, and programs that 
support financial inclusion within the agency and, more 
broadly, throughout the credit union system. I often note that 
credit unions have a strong emphasis on service to their 
members--one that is captured in the industry's ``people 
helping people'' ethos--which is exactly the mindset needed in 
the coming recovery.

Q.7. What more should Congress be doing to address the long-
term implications of this crisis?

A.7. I believe Congress should focus on providing programs that 
alleviate the impact of the pandemic, such as the PPP and 
mortgage loan forbearance. Additionally, Congress should focus 
on ways to shorten the duration of the pandemic and get the 
economy back to normal by developing programs and protocols 
designed to provide a safe public and work environment.
    I want to thank Congress for extending two important 
provisions of the CARES Act in the recent Consolidated 
Appropriations Act, 2021. First, the statutory changes made by 
Section 4016 of the CARES Act to the NCUA CLF provided credit 
unions with essential liquidity protection. As of December 4, 
2020, the facility's borrowing authority stands at $32.8 
billion--an increase of $22.3 billion since April--a direct 
result of the CARES Act. In total, 4,145 credit unions (or 80 
percent) of all federally insured credit unions now have access 
to the CLF. Section 4016 of the CARES Act increased the maximum 
legal borrowing authority from 12 to 16 times the subscribed 
capital stock and provides CLF access to members of corporate 
credit unions.
    Second, with the additional flexibility provided by the TDR 
language (Section 4013 of the CARES Act), 2,363 federally 
insured credit unions were able to make 1.7 million CARES Act 
forbearances totaling $55 billion. In addition, credit unions 
have extended non-CARES Act loan modifications to their member-
owners who experienced financial difficulties. The NCUA 
continues to encourage credit unions to make loan modifications 
to help those impacted by the pandemic.
Rural Branches
Q.8. I have long been concerned about consolidation among 
financial institutions. It's hard for small communities to 
survive without a post office and a bank or credit union 
branch.
    Has the coronavirus pandemic changed trends you have been 
seeing in recent years around the closure of branches? Or 
mergers and acquisitions?

A.8. Addressing the needs of rural and smaller, potentially 
underserved communities is a passion of mine. I am a proud, 
native North Carolinian, where over one-third of the population 
lives in rural areas, and I have strong family ties to rural 
America. As you note, the trend of consolidation among 
financial institutions is a long-running trend. The credit 
union industry has not been immune from that trend, 
particularly smaller credit unions. Consolidations and mergers 
can have a disproportionately negative impact on smaller 
communities, as witnessed by the trend of many financial 
institutions, particularly banks, pulling out of rural America 
in the past few decades.
    With their historical grounding as a comprehensive, member-
owned system of affordable financial services for underserved 
groups, I believe that credit unions play an important role in 
maintaining a strong presence in smaller communities to support 
their economic development and access to capital. At the NCUA, 
I have worked to put the industry in a stronger position to do 
just that. In July, for instance, the NCUA Board unanimously 
approved a final rule (https://ncua.gov/files/agenda-items/
AG20200730Item
1b.pdf) that would help facilitate greater access to safe and 
affordable financial services by changing the agency's 
chartering and field-of-membership regulations for community 
charter approvals, expansions, or conversions. This rule will 
help maintain and expand financial access to more Americans in 
smaller and underserved communities.
    Early on in the pandemic, the NCUA committed the majority 
of its 2020 CDRLF allocation to COVID-19 assistance. The NCUA 
awarded $3.7 million in grants and no-interest loans to 162 
low-income credit unions in 40 States and the District of 
Columbia this year to help the industry better serve its 
members and communities, mostly rural and underserved. Forty-
eight of the credit unions receiving this assistance were MDIs.
    As we are still amidst the pandemic, it is difficult to 
state definitively how the crisis may be impacting branch 
closures or mergers and acquisitions. I have received some 
early indications that credit union merger activity could 
increase, but the extent and durability of any such trend 
remains unknown. In recent years, I have seen an increasing 
trend in the number of branch closings in smaller credit 
unions--this trend continued in 2020. The rural area branch 
trends of all federally insured credit unions, however, are 
generally consistent with urban area branches, with growth in 
rural area branches outpacing growth in urban areas in recent 
months.
    The changes in branch count by credit union asset size, 
however, shows there is a higher number of branch closures in 
smaller credit unions than in larger credit unions. During 
2020, the trends also show an increase in the number of branch 
closures in credit unions with less than $100 million in assets 
and in credit unions with assets of $250 million-$500 million.
    While the number of credit unions closing branches has 
increased for some asset sizes during 2020, the number of 
credit union branches located in rural areas has actually 
improved over the last 18 months--increasing from 4,852 at the 
end of the first quarter of 2019 to 4,900 at the end of the 
third quarter of 2020.
    Compared to prior years, the trends in credit union 
consolidation--consisting of mergers, liquidations, and 
purchases and assumptions--slowed during 2020. While the 
pandemic has likely impacted credit unions already experiencing 
operating challenges, the pandemic has not dramatically 
increased the number of consolidations. In 2017, there were 202 
credit union mergers, compared to 2020 when there were an 
estimated 105 mergers.

Q.9. Is there more that should be done legislatively or through 
regulation to address branch closures?

A.9. The consolidations and branch closures do not appear to 
have had a negative impact on rural area credit union branches. 
The trends actually support some growth in credit union 
branches located in rural communities over the past 18 months. 
Currently, credit unions are required to notify the NCUA of 
closures in conjunction with a merger. Further, a merging 
credit union is required to obtain an affirmative vote from its 
membership prior to merger. Membership notification in this 
instance includes a list of continuing credit union branch 
service locations, so members are aware of any proposed changes 
in the branch structure prior to voting to merge. The 
continuing credit union is also required to identify 
alternative means of service to members when closing a branch 
in conjunction with a merger.
    The NCUA acts to minimize interruption in services to 
members in accordance with the Federal Credit Union Act; 
however, it does not have any further regulatory requirements 
pertaining to a credit union's decision to close a branch.
    As noted, there are a number of valid reasons for closing a 
branch, and many of them involve normal operating decisions and 
cost structure analysis.
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               RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
            SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM RODNEY E. HOOD

Q.1. Do you pledge to work with President-elect Biden's team to 
ensure an orderly transition to a new Administration?

A.1. Yes. The NCUA has collaborated with the President-elect's 
transition team since November 2020 following ascertainment.

Q.2. Have you established office space within your agency for 
the President-elect's transition team?

A.2. Yes. The agency will provide office space within the 
agency for the transition team, if requested.

Q.3. Have you prepared briefing books for the President-elect's 
transition team that includes all relevant information they 
will need to know?

A.3. Yes. All relevant briefing information has been provided 
to the transition team.

Q.4. Previously, you stated that the NCUA would consider TDR on 
a case-by-case basis. What has been the demand by credit unions 
for lower capital requirements due to delinquent loans?

A.4. The NCUA will continue to work with the other banking 
regulators to issue TDR guidance as needed and in accordance 
with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP). The NCUA 
has not received requests to lower capital requirements due to 
delinquent loans. As of September 30, 2020, the delinquency 
ratio for federally insured credit unions remains low at 0.55 
percent.

Q.5. Will your agency update the interagency guidance regarding 
Troubled Debt Restructuring to allow these COVID-19 loan 
modifications to extend beyond 6 months? Would loans with terms 
beyond 6 months still fall within the TDR authority?

A.5. The Interagency Statement on Loan Modifications and 
Reporting for Financial Institutions Working with Customers 
Affected by the Coronavirus (Revised) published on April 7, 
2020, (https://www.ncua.gov/files/press-releases-news/
interagency-statement-tdr-policy-revised.pdf), is still 
relevant and can be applied to modifications during 2021. This 
guidance states that subsequent modifications should be viewed 
in totality in determining if the additional modification is a 
TDR. The agencies, in consultation with the FASB, have stated 
short-term modifications (less than 6 months) are generally not 
considered a TDR. In particular, the guidance explains the 
requirements for a modification to be considered as a TDR and 
what should be done in the cases of loan modifications that are 
not considered to be TDRs. Any change to current GAAP would 
require FASB to make that change.
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 RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTION OF SENATOR SINEMA FROM RODNEY E. 
                              HOOD

Q.1. As you know, the commercial real estate (CRE) market is 
under extreme pressure due to this pandemic. Collapse of this 
market would be disastrous to Arizona communities. In April, 
the regulators released the ``Interagency Statement on Loan 
Modifications and Reporting for Financial Institutions Working 
with Customers Affected by the Coronavirus.'' This guidance 
allowed financial institutions to modify existing CRE loans 
impacted by the coronavirus. While this guidance was helpful 
and much-needed, it now requires updating. Are there plans to 
update this guidance to allow these COVID loan modifications to 
extend beyond 6 months?

A.1. The Interagency Statement on Loan Modifications and 
Reporting for Financial Institutions Working with Customers 
Affected by the Coronavirus (Revised), (https://www.ncua.gov/
files/press-releases-news/interagency-statement-tdr-policy-
revised.pdf), is still relevant and can be applied to 
modifications during 2021. Nothing in the guidance precludes a 
financial institution from modifying a loan term beyond 6 
months.

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