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   INVESTING IN COMMUNITY: THE SBA'S COMMUNITY ADVANTAGE LOAN PROGRAM

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                     ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS

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                              MAY 21, 2019

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                   HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS

                 NYDIA VELAZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman
                         ABBY FINKENAUER, Iowa
                          JARED GOLDEN, Maine
                          ANDY KIM, New Jersey
                          JASON CROW, Colorado
                         SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
                          JUDY CHU, California
                           MARC VEASEY, Texas
                       DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania
                        BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois
                      ADRIANO ESPAILLAT, New York
                       ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
                     CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania
                         ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
                   STEVE CHABOT, Ohio, Ranking Member
   AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN, American Samoa, Vice Ranking Member
                        TRENT KELLY, Mississippi
                          TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
                          KEVIN HERN, Oklahoma
                        JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota
                        PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
                        TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee
                          ROSS SPANO, Florida
                        JOHN JOYCE, Pennsylvania

                Adam Minehardt, Majority Staff Director
     Melissa Jung, Majority Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel
                   Kevin Fitzpatrick, Staff Director
                            
                            
                            C O N T E N T S

                           OPENING STATEMENTS

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Hon. Judy Chu....................................................     1
Hon. Ross Spano..................................................     2

                               WITNESSES

Ms. Angela Mavridis, Owner, Tribali Foods, San Marino, CA........     5
Mr. Robert Villarreal, Executive Vice President, CDC Small 
  Business Finance, San Diego, CA................................     6
Ms. Janie Barrera, President and CEO, LiftFund, San Antonio, TX..     8
Mr. John Kropf, President, Growth Capital Corp., Cleveland, OH...    10

                                APPENDIX

Prepared Statements:
    Ms. Angela Mavridis, Owner, Tribali Foods, San Marino, CA....    19
    Mr. Robert Villarreal, Executive Vice President, CDC Small 
      Business Finance, San Diego, CA............................    22
    Ms. Janie Barrera, President and CEO, LiftFund, San Antonio, 
      TX.........................................................    43
    Mr. John Kropf, President, Growth Capital Corp., Cleveland, 
      OH.........................................................    53
Questions for the Record:
    None.
Answers for the Record:
    None.
Additional Material for the Record:
    None.

 
   INVESTING IN COMMUNITY: THE SBA'S COMMUNITY ADVANTAGE LOAN PROGRAM

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                         TUESDAY, MAY 21, 2019

                  House of Representatives,
               Committee on Small Business,
    Subcommittee on Investigations, Oversight, and 
                                       Regulations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:06 a.m., in 
Room 2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Judy Chu 
[chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
    Present: Representatives Chu, Craig, Spano, and Burchett
    Chairwoman CHU. Good morning. The Subcommittee will now 
come to order.
    I thank everyone for joining us this morning, and I want to 
especially thank the witnesses who have traveled from across 
the country to be with us today.
    On this Committee, we are focused on making sure that small 
businesses, whether in my district in California, in Ranking 
Member Spano's district in Florida, and in every district 
across American can access the capital they need to start, 
grow, and create new jobs. And we know that when capital is 
affordable and accessible on reasonable terms, small businesses 
can do what they do best--strengthen our communities and fuel 
our economy.
    This is something I have witnessed firsthand in my home 
state of California where 3.9 million small businesses make up 
99.8 percent of our state's business, and employ almost half of 
our workers, making them an essential part of our economy.
    Though accessing capital affordably and on reasonable terms 
is a challenge virtually all entrepreneurs face, this is even 
more difficult for women, minority, and veteran entrepreneurs, 
as well as small businesses looking to revitalize the rural 
parts of our country.
    Recognizing the additional barriers to capital faced by 
entrepreneurs in these communities, SBA initiated the Community 
Advantage Loan Program as a pilot in 2011 to meet the credit 
and technical assistance needs of small firms in underserved 
markets.
    The Community Advantage Program provides mission-based 
lenders, mostly nonprofit financial intermediaries focused on 
economic development, access to loan guarantees under the 
general 7(a) program for loans of $250,000 or less. By 
utilizing Community Advantage, these lenders fill a gap in the 
market and help small businesses who face challenges accessing 
traditional capital to eventually become bankable businesses.
    A key aspect of the program is that lenders who participate 
in the program must make 60 percent of their Community 
Advantage loans in underserved markets. To access the program, 
a business must prove creditworthiness and a sound business 
idea, but unlike traditional lending, qualification for the 
program is not limited by the size of the borrower's balance 
sheet or amount of collateral involved. This makes a real 
difference for businesses that might not otherwise qualify for 
traditional lending. And so far, the program has been 
successfully meeting its goal of maximizing the footprint of 
SBA-backed lending to underserved markets.
    SBA stated in its Congressional Budget justification for 
fiscal year 2019, that this program reaches, and I quote, 
``significantly more women and minorities than the traditional 
7(a) loan program.''
    Since it started in 2011, the program has been extended 
numerous times but it is currently set to expire in September 
2022.
    That is why I am proud to be working with the Ranking 
Member of the Senate Small Business Committee, Senator Ben 
Cardin, on bicameral legislation to finally make Community 
Advantage a permanently authorized SBA loan program under the 
Small Business Act.
    Which brings me to the reason we are here today, to hear 
from Community Advantage lenders and a borrower about the 
impact that this important program has on underserved 
communities, and about the value this program is adding to our 
local economies every day.
    We can all agree that minimizing barriers to affordable 
access to capital for underserved entrepreneurs is an 
incredibly important function of this Committee. I look forward 
to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to 
address the challenges facing our small business owners when it 
comes to securing capital.
    Again, I thank the witnesses for being here, and I now 
yield to the Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, for his opening 
statement.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
    The economy continues to reach new heights, and from 
historic unemployment rates to encouraging GDP readings, the 
Nation is moving in the right direction. But despite these 
positive economic signs, the Nation's smallest firms continue 
to face obstacles when it comes to financing their businesses. 
With conventional lending options exhausted, they often turn to 
the Small Business Administration and their many capital access 
programs to finance their operations and their dreams.
    SBA's largest government guarantee program is the 7(a) loan 
program. In 2011, in using its own express authority, SBA 
created a 7(a) subprogram targeted at underserved communities 
called the Community Advantage Loan Program. Given that this 
program is not congressionally authorized, it is currently 
operating as a pilot program within SBA and thus, lacks the 
many requirements needed for a government guarantee loan 
program.
    Since its creation, this pilot's expiration date has been 
extended a number of times by SBA and was recently extended 
until September of 2022. In this last extension, SBA also made 
significant structural changes to the program to further 
examine it, which included prohibiting new Community Advantage 
lenders from participating to adjusting the loan loss reserve 
ratio. Ultimately, the decision to authorize this program lies 
solely with Congress. Small businesses, entrepreneurs, and 
startups from Ohio to my state of Florida benefit from many of 
SBA's capital access programs, including the Community 
Advantage pilot loan program. A comprehensive discussion on 
next steps for this program is required and that is what we are 
doing here today.
    I want to thank our witnesses. You have traveled from 
across the country to talk with us. Thank you very much for 
being here. I look forward to hearing about your experience 
with the program, what has worked and what has not worked. I am 
also interested in hearing how you believe the structural 
changes that the SBA put in place this past fall will impact 
the program. As we have these conversations, it is important to 
keep in mind that with any government program, comprehensive 
oversight is critical in safeguarding American taxpayer 
dollars.
    Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, for having this timely 
hearing. I yield back.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Mr. Spano. The gentleman yields 
back.
    And if there are any Committee members that have an opening 
statement, we would ask that they be submitted for the record.
    I would like to just take a minute to explain the timing 
rules. Each witness gets 5 minutes to testify and members get 5 
minutes for questioning. There is a lighting system to assist 
you. The green light comes on when you begin, and the yellow 
light means there is 1 minute remaining. The red light comes on 
when you are out of time, and we ask that you stay within that 
timeframe to the best of your ability.
    I would like to introduce our witnesses now.
    I am so proud to welcome our first witness, owner of 
Tribali Foods and my very own constituent, Ms. Angela Mavridis. 
As a kind in her grandmother's kitchen, Angela discovered the 
nurturing power of real foods. Today, her organic 100 percent 
grass fed beef and organic 100 percent free range chicken 
patties are a flavorful celebration of simple ingredients. As a 
holistic nutritionist, Angela's ingredients for good nutrition 
are simple--eat real, whole, unprocessed food consisting of 
high quality proteins, colorful produce, a bit of fruit, nuts, 
or seeds, and a healthy dose of good fats. She also believes it 
is important to consider what foods make her happy, and after 
35 years of abstaining from meat burger patties make Angela 
very happy. Gathered from nature and seasoned with loving care, 
Tribali Foods make healthier eating easier for everyone. 
Tribali foods creates easy meal options with a commitment to 
taste, nutrition, and transparent sourcing. Welcome, Ms. 
Mavridis.
    Our second witness is Mr. Robert Villarreal. Robert has 
over 24 years of experience in community economic development 
and nonprofit management, and is the executive vice president 
of economic development for CDC Small Business Finance based on 
Southern California. Here, he has held numerous roles over the 
last 14 years. Currently, his responsibilities include grant 
and capital development, strategic partnerships, and government 
relations. In addition, he is the administrator of three 
separate corporations, including the administrator of the State 
Loan Guarantee Program and president of the Bankers Small 
Business CDC of California, which is a CDFI. Prior to his 
current role, Villarreal led the CDC's Community Lending 
Program. Under his leadership, the CDC was the number one SBA 
Community Advantage lender in the Nation. Villarreal is 
currently a board member of Opportunity Finance Network, the 
Community California Reinvestment Coalition, the San Diego 
County Chicano Federation, and a member of Union Bank CSR 
Advisory Board. Villarreal is a graduate of UC San Diego with a 
graduate degree in political science and anthropology, and he 
has a M.A. in international political studies from the Monterey 
Institute of International Studies. Welcome, Mr. Villarreal.
    And our third witness is Ms. Janie Barrera. Jamie Barrera 
is founding president and CEO of LiftFund. The organization 
provides loans and management training to enterprises from 
startups to long established businesses. LiftFund operates in 
Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, 
Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina, 
Tennessee, and Texas. Since its inception in 1994, LiftFund has 
disbursed more than 21,000 loans, totaling more than $3 
million, with an impressive 94 percent repayment rate. Ms. 
Barrera has received nationwide recognition for her 
accomplishments, including the Small Business Administration 
Financial Services Advocate of the Year, the Minority 
Enterprise Development Consortium's Corporate Advocate of the 
Year, and the San Antonio Business Hall of Fame. President 
Barrack Obama appointed her to the President Advisory Council 
on Financial Capability, and has served on the Board of 
Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas's San Antonio 
branch. She received a bachelor's degree from Texas A&M 
University Corpus Christi, and a master's degree in business 
administration from the University of the Incarnate Word. 
Welcome, Ms. Barrera.
    I would now like to yield to our Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, 
to introduce our final witness.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Our next witness is John Kropf. Mr. Kropf is president of 
Growth Capital Corporation, a certified development company 
that has been operating for over 35 years in Cleveland, Ohio, 
and has provided more than $500 million in loans to businesses. 
Prior to his service at Growth Capital, Mr. Kropf spent time as 
a certified development company lender and microlender in 
Pennsylvania, along with time spent at Wells Fargo. In addition 
to his banking career, Mr. Kropf is a United States Army 
veteran. I would like to thank you for your service, Mr. Kropf. 
And we welcome your participation at today's hearing.
    Madam Chair?
    Chairwoman CHU. Ms. Mavridis, you are recognized now for 5 
minutes.

  STATEMENTS OF ANGELA MAVRIDIS, OWNER, TRIBALI FOODS; ROBERT 
   VILLARREAL, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CDC, SMALL BUSINESS 
   FINANCE; JANIE BARRERA, PRESIDENT AND CEO, LIFTFUND; JOHN 
             KROPF, PRESIDENT, GROWTH CAPITAL CORP.

                  STATEMENT OF ANGELA MAVRIDIS

    Ms. MAVRIDIS. Thank you.
    My name is Angela Mavridis, and I am the founder of a 
national CPG, a consumer packaged goods company called Tribali 
Foods. We are a real foods company, serving high quality, 
flavorful, and effortless meal solutions. Tribali Foods is also 
a certified women-owned business.
    I grew up in the restaurant business as my father owned and 
operated hamburger fast-food drive-thrus in the Pasadena area 
of Los Angeles. My father came to this country from Greece at 
the age of 17 to pursue his American dream. He opened his first 
location in 1952 and realized that dream through the success of 
his restaurants and real estate investments. He passed away 4 
months ago, and I intend to honor his legacy and fulfill my 
American dream of strong family values, entrepreneurship, and 
giving back to my community.
    At the young age of 13 and seeking a healthier way of 
eating, I became a vegetarian. I was influenced by mainstream 
media and the marketing messages of the early 1980s and 1990s 
where meat, and specifically saturated fat, were vilified for 
their perceived health consequences. Fat was feared and meat 
was going to clog your arteries and give you plaque buildup. I 
adhered to a vegetarian diet for 35 years. Fast-forward to 4 
years ago when I studied nutrition and became a holistic 
nutritionist. I came to learn that well-sourced, high-quality 
animal meats provide the nutrient density and health benefits 
that I lacked in my vegetarian diet. I tried my first organic, 
100 percent grass fed, finished steak and never looked back.
    With my new knowledge and perspective, I began to explore 
opportunities in the sector I knew best, the food business. I 
drew upon my Greek heritage and culinary background and 
developed a line of seasoned burger patties and sliders. They 
are made from organic, ethically sourced, humanely raised 
animals, and are blended with only the freshest herbs, spices, 
vegetables, and purees to bring out my globally-inspired 
flavors. My products are also gluten, soy, and dairy free, 
Paleo certified, and Whole30 approved. They include organic, 
grass fed, and finished beef and free-range turkey and chicken 
patties.
    Since founding the company in 2016, I have managed to 
catapult the brand toward mainstream success with an appearance 
on the Today show, several industry awards standards like the 
NEXTY, and retail agreements with Target and Walmart 
nationally, as Whole Foods, Natural Grocers, Central Market, 
and other independent grocers in the California area.
    With my expansion and growth came the need to obtain 
capital to fuel the success. I needed the capital to help 
finance my next stage. I had momentum. I had brand recognition. 
I had proven my concept. I had national placement. I just 
needed a way to finance that next step.
    Through my networking with other CPG companies, 
particularly Terra's Whey, I became aware of the SBA financing 
opportunities and their support of women-owned businesses. I 
was introduced to her SBA small business loan provider, CDC 
Small Business Finance in 2018 for help. Obtaining the SBA 
financing through CDC Small Business Finance was a 
straightforward process with affordable terms and conditions. I 
remember the day I received the call that I had qualified for 
the full amount. It was probably one of the most monumental 
days of my life, as I had multiple purchase orders in front of 
me and I was not sure how I was going to fulfill them. The SBA 
loan came at the most opportune moment to help continue our 
momentum as a brand. Since then, I have used the Community 
Advantage Loan to fund production, establish sales and 
distribution, and implement a strong marketing strategy. We 
also qualified for the SBA Microloan program, which enhanced 
our product by financing all our raw material purchases.
    At the early stage Tribali was in, funding options were 
difficult to come by. The timing and importance of our SBA 
funding cannot be overstated. It jumpstarted our growth, fueled 
our expansion--our products are now distributed in 35 states--
and enabled us to become a viable business. Our growth will 
allow us to hire two new positions within our organization by 
yearend with more, and hopefully many more to follow. Our 
projections indicate that we will need additional funding and 
financing as we expand our product line and distribute to more 
retailers and geographical areas. We are prepared to take on 
that financing.
    I am a strong advocate for the SBA loan program. There are 
thousands of fledgling business owners who this program was 
designed for and who would otherwise have limited options to 
start and grow their businesses, hire staff, and enhance their 
communities. My own journey would be markedly different without 
this program. Without these loans, our success thus far could 
not have been possible. For that I am very grateful. I hope you 
will continue this program for entrepreneurs with the passion 
and vision to fulfill their American dream. Thank you.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Ms. Mavridis.
    And now, Mr. Villarreal, you are now recognized for 5 
minutes.

                 STATEMENT OF ROBERT VILLARREAL

    Mr. VILLARREAL. Good morning, Chairwoman Chu, Ranking 
Member Spano, and members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for 
convening this hearing to discuss SBA's Community Advantage 
Program (CA), a small, yet impactful pilot program launched in 
2011. The program has effectively increased SBA lending to 
emerging markets in underserved communities, and we believe 
should be granted permanency and full program authority within 
the SBA's flagship 7(a) program.
    I am here today representing CDC Small Business Finance, or 
CDC, which for 40 years has been an advocate for small 
businesses. We are located in San Diego, California, and 
operate in California, Arizona, and Nevada. We deploy the array 
of SBA products, including the 504, Community Advantage, and 
SBA Microloan. In fact, we are the largest 504 and Community 
Advantage lenders in the country.
    Through these multiple programs, we have provided over $13 
billion in capital to small businesses and created over 200,000 
jobs.
    Today, my colleagues will be discussing some of the more 
technical aspects of Community Advantage. My comments today are 
focused on the purpose and impact of the program.
    When the CA program was launched in 2011, it was a bold 
step for the SBA, as for the first time they extended the 
administration's 7(a) program to community-based mission 
lenders with a goal of assisting small businesses that were not 
yet bankable, yet needed access to affordable and responsible 
capital.
    This was also an acknowledgement that the traditional 7(a) 
lending industry was falling short in providing small dollar 
loans to businesses in underserved communities.
    After the Great Recession, SBA lending to emerging markets 
had dropped significantly and the primary program the SBA had 
to reach these markets, Community Express, had double-digit 
losses and 85 percent of the production was concentrated with 
just three lenders.
    The SBA understood that mission lenders were the best 
suited to meet the capital needs of business populations which 
were not being met by traditional lenders. Mission lenders have 
a deep knowledge of their communities, and as an explicit 
purpose and mission, assist small businesses that are located 
in underserved areas or are owned by women and minority 
entrepreneurs. Mission Lenders measures success by how their 
small business clients perform and not by return to 
shareholders.
    So what has been the impact? In regard to our organization, 
CDC, we have funded 656 Community Advantage loans for over $91 
million. This has resulted in 4,700 jobs supported and a less 
than 4 percent charge-off rate.
    As Chairwoman Chu mentioned, 60 percent of our lending must 
go to a target market. We are over 70 percent.
    In regard to the industry, over 5,300 loans have been made 
to small businesses, totaling over $712 million. And as 
mentioned, CA lenders are required to provide 60 percent of 
loans to target markets, the industry is at 70 percent of 
target market.
    One of the successes of the CA program has been its lending 
to Black and Latino small businesses, which coincidentally are 
not designated target markets in the program, although we 
believe they should be. In fiscal year 2018, 12 percent of 
Community Advantage loans were to Black-owned businesses, and 
17 percent to Latino businesses. Compare this to 7(a) SBA 
Express for loans under $250,000, where loans to black 
businesses was just 4 percent, and lending to Latino businesses 
was 9 percent.
    Greater distinctions are seen in loans for startups, which 
are critical to keep the economy going. For CDC, over half of 
our portfolio is comprised of startup businesses as defined by 
the SBA, which is less than 2 years in business.
    Further, in fiscal year 2018, 44 percent of our approved 
loans were to pure startups, meaning the businesses had not 
opened their doors at the time of application. This leaves 
Community Advantage lenders to fill the void in the very 
important continuum of capital.
    There are currently 99 active CA lenders across the 
country, and CA loans have been made in 47 different states. 
While there is an understanding that Community Advantage loans 
are riskier, the cumulative charge-off rate on CA loans through 
fiscal year 2018 has been less than 3 percent. I credit this to 
the experience of the mission lenders like the ones seated here 
today.
    In closing, I would like to quote from my colleague from 
Montana, Dave Glaser, who is also a Community Advantage lender. 
He notes that as mission lenders, we are double bottom-line 
organizations, yet the SBA and others continue to focus on just 
one of the two lines, the 3 to 4 percent loss rate. Rather, we 
encourage them, and more importantly, this Committee, to focus 
on the second line, the 97 percent success rate and the 
incredible impact we have had for the 5,300 small businesses in 
the United States, just like the one seated here to my left.
    Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Mr. Villarreal.
    Ms. Barrera, you are recognized for 5 minutes.

                   STATEMENT OF JANIE BARRERA

    Ms. BARRERA. Thank you very much.
    Good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to speak 
before you on behalf of LiftFund and the CDFI community in 
support of the 7(a) Community Advantage program.
    This year marked our 25th anniversary in fulfilling our 
vision of opening doors, leveling the financial playing field, 
and building a community of shared success through 
entrepreneurship. Since 1994, we have provided 20,000 
resilient, yet underbanked entrepreneurs with over $300 million 
in capital, allowing them to build assets and create and retain 
jobs in their communities. Our loans range from $500 to half a 
million dollars. The average loan size is under $25,000. The 
average FICO score of one of our borrowers is 590, and we have 
a 96 percent repayment rate. So we have learned how to mitigate 
risk. Since we are not a bank and do not have depositors, we 
have partnered with over 78 banks and credit unions, government 
loan programs, foundations, and impact investors to access the 
funds that we need to lend in the community.
    So unlike our for-profit businesses, in terms of our model, 
business model, we, as a not-for-profit, our business model is 
to lose our best customers. The for-profit world wants to keep 
them. We want them to graduate and go into the traditional 
banks.
    So we started in Texas 25 years ago, and now we are in 13 
states across the southeast. We provide capital in some of the 
most economically segregated communities in our country, 
including the Mississippi Delta and the colonias along the 
Texas border. We serve urban cores, like New Orleans, Dallas, 
and Houston, along with areas that have been devastated by 
natural disasters, like in Florida.
    Since the early 2000s, LiftFund has worked closely with the 
U.S. Small Business Administration. First, we started out with 
the SBA Microloan program. Then, we expanded to the SBA 504 
program in 2008. We operate two small Business Women's Centers, 
and in 2011 became part of the pilot program for the 7(a) 
Community Advantage.
    Our approach is simple, yet impactful. Coupling mission-
driven capital with business and financial education, or 
technical assistance, to help business owners.
    Because of the Community Advantage program, we have served 
an additional 260 entrepreneurs over $33 million through this 
program. In October 2011, we made one SBA Community Advantage 
loan at $210,000. Last year, we made 53 loans totaling $8 
million. Because these loans are guaranteed, we are able to 
sell them to the secondary market, allowing LiftFund to have 
the liquidity to make loans to minority, rural, and veteran 
business owners.
    LiftFund was one of the first recipients of the 7(a) 
program in 2011. Since then, we have done 260 loans resulting 
in over $33 million. We disbursed these to deserving 
entrepreneurs, like Shelenia and Rico Nelson, a veteran-
minority couple in Round Rock, Texas, who wanted to open their 
own donut shop to provide a meaningful career path for their 
disabled son. As a startup, the Nelsons were not able to 
receive funding from their bank and were referred to LiftFund 
for support. We provided the Nelsons a $70,000 SBA community 
loan to do the buildout and open Crack the Dawn Donuts, now in 
its third year of operation.
    So these borrowers have created over 1,200 jobs and 
retained an additional 1,444 new jobs in the communities. The 
loans that we in the 7(a) community loan program are going to 
diverse communities. Fifty-eight percent of our clients are 
minorities. Thirty-five percent are women. Eighteen percent are 
veterans or their spouses. And 31 percent identify themselves 
as low to moderate income individuals. But over 60 percent 
loans are in the low to moderate income level neighborhoods.
    Our support goes beyond the urban core. Last year, 10 
percent of our lending volume of the 7(a) program was to 
businesses in rural areas. Take Anamia Martinez Ortiz, for 
example, a small business owner in McAllen, Texas. She came to 
LiftFund in 2014 with less than a year under her belt as a 
business owner. She had approached several banks and was turned 
down. Banks are regulated, and she did not qualify. LiftFund is 
able to accept requests from startups and those with lower 
credit scores. Our underwriting looks at capacity and how they 
will repay the loan. So she started out with us and now she has 
10 locations throughout the Rio Grande Valley.
    While our clients may have challenges, our repayment rate 
has continuously remained at or above 96 percent in our 
portfolio. I am proud of the entrepreneurial culture we have 
developed at LiftFund. We are responsible stewards of our 
lending funds, constantly improving our processes and 
evaluating to meet our client's need. We created our own risk 
model and underwriting criteria, and to this day continue to 
make adjustments on our data. We complement our internal 
controls with the SBA CA tools as well like the scorecard.
    At LiftFund, we take great pride in portfolio quality. 
Despite our clients' challenges, their repayment rate is high. 
In 2017, we increased our internal minimum SBA score for a 7(a) 
loan from 120 to 140. We did this a full year before the SBA 
made the same decision.
    We urge Congress to make the 7(a) Community Advantage 
program permanent and increase the loan amount from $250,000 to 
$350,000. It is essential to reach those often left behind--
minorities, women, and rural communities--and provide a pathway 
to prosperity for deserving and committed entrepreneurs.
    I want to personally thank you for the opportunity to speak 
and I appreciate being here. Thank you.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Ms. Barrera.
    Mr. Kropf, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

                    STATEMENT OF JOHN KROPF

    Mr. KROPF. Thank you, Chairwoman. Good day, Chairwoman Chu 
and Ranking Member Spano. I am John Kropf, president of Growth 
Capital Corp in Cleveland, Ohio, a mission-based, not-for-
profit lender. And I am here today to share my experience with 
how growth capital is investing in community with our 
participation in the SBA Community Advantage program.
    Back in 2010, I was actually quite astounded to learn that 
SBA was rolling out what I considered to be an innovative and 
cost-effective solution to the problems of small businesses, 
especially those in underserved markets, having access to 
affordable financing to find, fund, and grow their companies. 
In expanding the 7(a) loan program to not-for-profit mission 
lenders like Growth Capital, Community Advantage linked a vital 
Federal Government loan guarantee mechanism to a healthy 
market-based, mission-based product delivery platform focused 
on serving those small businesses oftentimes neglected by 
traditional bank lenders or outright by nontraditional 
predatory lenders.
    How astonishing it was to see such innovation coming from a 
Federal bureaucracy like SBA. There was no new department 
created and no new big government program initiated. No new 
spending required to launch SBA Community Advantage. Instead, 
we witnessed the confluence of community-focused, impact-driven 
organizations like CDC Small Business Finance, LiftFund, and 
Growth Capital with the community-focused, impact-driven 
mandate of SBA.
    We did not initially apply for participation in the program 
because of regulatory restrictions, but in 2012, when SBA 
allowed for the use of loan service providers, along with the 
sale of SBA loan guarantees on the secondary market we jumped 
right in and were approved to participate. And jump right in we 
did. Having immediate impact on our communities with our CA 
lending and joining other prestigious industry leaders that 
have programmed today more than $680 million to over 5,100 
small businesses, 70 percent in underserved markets. Our 
average size CA loan is only $133,000 and demonstrates our 
commitment to small dollar lending to small sized companies.
    But these numbers mean a lot more. These numbers are 
actually much more. These numbers have names and faces. They 
belong to people like my esteemed colleague, Bob Villarreal's 
borrower here today from Ms. Chu's district. They belong to 
borrowers like mine. Amy Wong of Dot Org Solutions in Akron, 
Ohio, who testified here before this Committee last year on the 
importance of the SBA Community Advantage program. These names 
and faces include other such borrowers like Destiny Burns, a 
retired Naval Officer who owns Cleveland Urban Winery, or 
Kathryn Green of Sassafras Land Design, or Jake Fitzpatrick, 
owner of Clifton Cleaners, and Mark Steinberg of Queen City 
Gutters in Cincinnati, Ohio.
    Every one of these borrowers, and indeed, almost all of our 
CA borrowers are what I describe as the ``just miss'' bank 
loan. Companies that are creditworthy but just miss the bank 
lending requirements, and many times these small loan requests 
miss the bank profitability requirements and are thus neglected 
by traditional bank lenders. And many of our banking partners 
make direct referrals to Growth Capital for CA loans. If these 
companies are not referred to a CA lender, many times they find 
alternative high-rate lenders and become outright exploited by 
nontraditional predatory lenders. We, ourselves, at Growth 
Capital just received a solicitation last week for an online 
loan. The rate was 48.7 percent when I checked online.
    So what is needed? There are several important items that I 
feel are needed and critical to expand our CA lending.
    One, increase the guarantee percentage. Currently, it is at 
75 percent on loans up to $250,000, and 85 percent on loans 
below $150,000. A guarantee of 85 percent for all CA loans 
would dramatically help the liquidity of CA lenders throughout 
the country. CA loans currently require a guarantee of 85 
percent under $150,000, and actually, 90 percent on 
international term loans. Growth Capital recently closed an 
international trade loan, and we actually represent 40 percent 
of all CA international trade loans disbursed under the 
program, and that carries a 90 percent guarantee. We would like 
to do more of those. That small company in Cleveland is 
actually an exporter selling equipment to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, 
Hungary, and Romania. And our loan $250,000 required just 
$25,000 in capital.
    In closing, while I understand the current political 
conditions we are under, we, CA lenders, must currently 
operate, I understand the true bipartisan approach to 
supporting small businesses that this Committee takes. True 
bipartisan support is for the CA borrowers previously 
mentioned, Amy Wong of Dot Org Solutions; Destiny Burns, the 
retired Naval Officer; Kathryn Green of Sassafras Land Design; 
Jake Fitzpatrick and Clifton Cleaners; and Mark Steinberg of 
Queen City Gutters in Cincinnati, Ohio. They actually need more 
than bipartisan support. They, and CA lenders need tri-partisan 
support. We need to try. We need to try harder as CA lenders. 
We need to try more as an industry. We need to advance our 
Community Advantage lending and really try to do more investing 
in community. We will try to recognize the importance of 
financing underserved small business concerns that are 
inherent, the risk involved in financing underserved 
businesses, and the capacity of experienced mission-oriented 
lenders to manage risk and build sustainable, bankable 
businesses through our SBA Community Advantage program that I 
am confident this Committee will support.
    In conclusion, I wish to personally thank Chairwoman Chu 
and Ranking Member Spano and all the honorable members of this 
important Committee, and know that we all share the same 
passion and commitment to investing in community. Thank you 
all, and I am happy to participate in field your questions. 
Thank you.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you to all our witnesses. I am truly 
impressed by your testimony and your commitment to Community 
Advantage.
    And now, I will begin by recognizing myself for questions 
for 5 minutes.
    So Ms. Mavridis, thank you for being here today, and 
congratulations on your hard-earned business success. Can you 
share with us the state of your business before you received 
the Community Advantage loan and how being able to take out a 
Community Advantage loan made a difference for you in your 
business planning?
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. Certainly. Prior, the business was self-
funded by personal funds, and I presented to the first market, 
which was Whole Foods, the idea. So they believed in me and 
gave me up to a year to go and build the brand, build the 
company, find my sources, and start production. And my personal 
funds took me that far, and once I had the order in Whole 
Foods, I got on their shelves and was able to sell into other 
multiple markets. And at that time I was borrowing from Father, 
from Dad, and repaying, and reborrowing again and repaying, and 
after that door closed my next step was to take a line of 
credit from the bank. But due to my assets that was not enough. 
So I became aware of the SBA loan and the CDC lender and that 
amount enabled us to fulfill the orders that I had gotten to 
make us a national brand. I was sitting with Target orders and 
Walmart and did not know how to finance them. So, once that 
money came in we were able to fund the production, make the 
distribution happen, and secure those sales. So it has helped 
my brand definitely get to the next phase. And without it we 
would not have had money to fulfill those orders.
    Chairwoman CHU. So you ran out of your personal funds and 
Father funds? Was there any other plan B had there not been the 
Community Advantage loan?
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. Right. And raising capital at that time to do 
a family and friends round or to start giving some equity up 
from your company, bigger CPG investors were not looking at us 
because we did not have at least a $2 million run rate yet. So 
it was right at that special spot where I had proof of concept, 
proof of product, but not proof of sales to get investors. And 
also, at that point you do not want to start giving up equity 
of your business, so this was the best choice.
    Chairwoman CHU. Well, then I would like to ask the 
panelists, all the panelists, you have valued experience with 
the Community Advantage program with different perspectives as 
lenders and borrowers. Can you tell us briefly if you would 
support the Community Advantage program being made permanent, 
how would permanency help small business in underserved areas?
    Mr. KROPF. Chairwoman, like any business, us CA lenders are 
in business. We are operating our own shops. We are private, 
independent operations. And like any market, like any industry, 
having the ability to have some level of permanency in the 
market to understand that the decisions we make today we can 
carry through tomorrow. And without the permanency of the 
Community Advantage program, there is a lot of uncertainty in 
the industry and in the marketplace. So we could certainly 
benefit from that certainty.
    Ms. BARRERA. And I would like to add the fact that we, as 
you heard before in the testimonies, we are the stepping stone 
into the banks. And so by having a permanent program like this, 
we can do the things that the banks cannot do in getting them 
prepared by reporting back to the credit bureaus their payment 
history with us because that is how we improve our credit 
scores is by borrowing money, paying it back on time, and 
providing that technical assistance.
    So like I said in the beginning, we are trying to get rid 
of our best customers and graduate and so we can be that 
stepping stone for banks.
    Mr. VILLARREAL. I would echo the statements by Janie and 
John. Two important things that permanency does. One is almost 
all of us get our capital from banks and, you know, banks 
should be and will be reluctant to extend longer term credit to 
us if the program is going to expire in 24 or 30 months. So it 
adds some stability to the program. And also, permanency will 
increase a number of Community Advantage lenders. As all of us 
can testify here, jumping into 7(a) lending as a CA lender is 
expensive, and it is a commitment of time and resources. And 
you are not going to do that unless you have some permanency to 
the program, so that is why it is critical.
    Chairwoman CHU. Well, I have run out of time so I would 
like to now call upon the Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman.
    Ms. Mavridis, thank you again for being here. I am just 
curious how you heard about the SBA and the loan options that 
were available to you through the SBA.
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. I actually listened to a podcast from a 
mentor of mine of how to grow your CPG business, and the name 
of the company was Terra's Whey. And Terra herself was on the 
podcast talking about the loan. But honestly, had I not heard 
that, I do not know how I would have become aware of this.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you.
    Ms. Barrera, you had mentioned that LiftFund has created 
your own risk model in terms of assessment of risk. I guess my 
question, how does your risk model differ from the traditional 
risk model? What is the difference and what has allowed you to 
be as successful as you have been in this space?
    Ms. BARRERA. Well, the traditional lenders, as in the 
banks, have certain criteria that they have to follow because 
of regulators. You know, either the OCC, the FDIC, the Federal 
Reserve, and those are very stringent. They are in the box. You 
have to fit that box. And if you do not, you do not get the 
loan.
    At LiftFund, since we are a not-for-profit, we can look 
outside the box. We still look at FICO scores but that is not 
going to be the reason that we make a loan. We look at capacity 
of the repayment and so on.
    And so what has happened since we have been around for 25 
years, we have been collecting data of the unbanked and 
underbanked for 25 years. And I had a real smart intern about 
2010 that came in and I said, create a profile of a good paying 
customer and a not-so-good paying customer using SASS. And that 
is what happened. Eventfully, now it is aggregated over all 
these years that, you know, with AI and so on, we have been 
able to have our own internal technical algorithm for a 
scorecard. So, you know, a Florida application comes in, it 
comes in to San Antonio, we do the underwriting there through 
the algorithm. It pops up red, yellow, green. Green, continue 
the process; red and yellow, loan officer contact them. Why is 
it red and yellow? So that is why we are able to do all these 
little bitty loans across our footprint and still not make any 
money because we are not for profit and we have a lot of, you 
know, folks that we have to handhold through the process as 
well in terms of getting their financials ready and so on. But 
we have been using technology to be able to provide this pretty 
good accurate underwriting scorecard.
    Mr. SPANO. Is it fair to say that based on what you just 
said then that the capacity to repay is really the primary 
function that you are looking for----
    Ms. BARRERA. Yes, sir.
    Mr. SPANO.--as opposed to payment history?
    Ms. BARRERA. That is right.
    Mr. SPANO. Even though that is a very complicated algorithm 
that I cannot understand and maybe most of us here cannot, but 
that is basically the----
    Ms. BARRERA. Basically, that is what it is. You know, how 
long they have been living in their place, how long the 
business and so on. But, you know, it takes a lot of other 
things, too, because some of them are startups and have been in 
operations, you know, less than a year. So it takes in all 
these other factors.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you so much.
    Mr. Kropf, you describe, if you would for the Committee, 
your institution's working relationship with SBA? What I mean 
by that is how often do you interact with them? Describe, if 
you would, their oversight process of your organization.
    Mr. KROPF. Sure. Thank you, Congressman.
    Yeah. SBA is our primary regulator, so that is one part of 
the relationship. SBA has a very stringent regulatory regime 
for certified development companies, as well as CA lenders. So 
from that standpoint, that is really the beginning of the 
relationship from a regulatory oversight perspective.
    But we are also partners, especially with the Community 
Advantage program. We are partners in investing in community. 
So one of those loans that I had mentioned, Clifton Cleaners, 
he went to SBA because he could not get a loan from the bank. 
He went to our local district office. They referred him to us. 
They understand the type of borrower that Community Advantage 
can really assist, and they provided that referral to us. We 
closed the loan just 2 weeks ago. So that is another important 
relationship, not just the regulatory oversight but the 
partnerships to invest in community I think is also very 
important.
    Mr. SPANO. And real quickly, in your written testimony you 
describe a relationship with Fifth Third Bank.
    Mr. KROPF. Yes.
    Mr. SPANO. Can you describe that relationship very quickly, 
and then the benefit to the community?
    Mr. KROPF. Yes. Fifth Third Bank provides capital for us to 
lend for our Community Advantage program. It is very innovative 
in its approach where we have a warehouse line of credit that 
we draw on throughout the year to fund our Community Advantage 
loans. We sell on the secondary market, vitally important for 
liquidity. We repay a portion of that line of credit. The 
unguaranteed portion stays on that line throughout the year. We 
service interest. At the end of the year they term it out for 
us long-term to match the loans that we have on the books, the 
Community Advantage loans.
    Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you. The gentleman's time has 
expired. But the good news is I believe we will have time for a 
second round of questions.
    So now, the gentleman from Tennessee is recognized, Mr. 
Burchett from Tennessee.
    Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman 
and Ranking Member. I appreciate all you all coming out for 
your testimony.
    One question I had, Ms.--tell me how to say your name, 
ma'am. Ms. Mavridis?
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. Yes.
    Mr. BURCHETT. All right. I get that. All right.
    I grew up in Knoxville and we have a huge Greek community 
there, and I am very fond of them. Actually, my daddy was dean 
of student conduct, and a lot of the Greek merchants, they 
started nice restaurants. And I do not know about anywhere 
else. I think everybody else goes hungry if they do not have a 
lot of Greek folks in the community because that is all the 
restaurants they run and they are awesome. And as a matter of 
fact, my first traditional Greek meal I ever had was at the 
Pizza Palace in Knoxville. I always kid about that. It is 
actually not, you know, it was just pizza, but it was 
wonderful. And it still is. It is where we go on date night or 
when it is my night to cook.
    But anyway, I am always remembered by the Greek folks 
because in 1976, my momma had cancer and daddy took momma to 
Memphis and there was my brother and sister and I kind of had 
to fend for ourselves and the Greek community was so wonderful. 
They brought all this wonderful food. And honestly, I never 
knew if it was for breakfast, lunch, or dinner, or it was 
desert, because they would put the name on it, and of course, 
you know, it was just delicious. I know I ate baklava for 
supper every night if I could. So that was wonderful and it was 
a great community.
    But you had mentioned that, you said, and I am sorry about 
you losing your daddy as well. I lost both my parents and that 
is a hole that just seems to never get filled. So I have 
sympathy with you.
    But you mentioned that your father, you borrowed from him 
and then if the SBA had not come along, but you stopped there. 
What other options would you have had if the SBA had not come 
along?
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. I think you can do a round for family and 
friends and put a business deck together where you raise 
capital from those around you that believe in your concept. And 
I was not at the point yet to get investors in to take equity 
because I did not have proof of sales.
    Mr. BURCHETT. Right. You would have to give them a piece of 
the action; right?
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. Right. Right. And no one wants to do that.
    Mr. BURCHETT. No.
    Ms. MAVRIDIS. At such an early stage in the business.
    Mr. BURCHETT. An attorney told me, he said, you pay them, 
do whatever, you know, points on the loan, whatever, but never 
give away your ownership because 50 percent plus one and you do 
not own it anymore. So I understand it.
    Mr. Kropf, in your testimony you mentioned a Community 
Advantage International Trade loan. Can you explain or describe 
that type of loan? Does it have different terms?
    Mr. KROPF. Yes. Thank you, Congressman.
    The International Trade Loan has been a subset of 7(a) for 
many years. It currently carries an incentive to support 
exporters. It provides a 90 percent loan guarantee to the 
lender. It has been open for banks, been open to bank 
participation for years through the Export Assistance Centers 
throughout the country. We have one in Cleveland.
    But about 4 years ago, we did the first ever Community 
Advantage Loan under the International Trade Loan program. We 
were the first ones to do it and we had to work pretty hard to 
figure that out. But after we did, SBA surprisingly 
incorporated the International Trade Program terms to Community 
Advantage lenders. And we were able to process that recent loan 
under our own delegated lending authority. So we were able to 
support that small exporter who exports asphalt equipment to 
the Middle East and Eastern Europe when he could not obtain a 
bank loan. If not for this $250,000 community advantage loan, 
this company would not have been able to make exports and 
import wealth into our country, and I think that is vitally 
important, congressman.
    Mr. BURCHETT. All right. I yield back to the Chairlady. 
Thank you so much.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you. The gentleman's time has expired 
and the gentleman yields back.
    Now I recognize myself for 5 minutes for a second round of 
questioning.
    Mr. Villarreal, a critical component of the Community 
Advantage pilot program was to expand the 7(a) program to 
mission-based lenders which are CDFIs, SBA 504, CDCs, and 
microlenders. Can you talk more about how mission-based lenders 
are best situated to meet the needs of small businesses that 
are in underserved areas or are owned by women and minority 
business owners?
    Mr. VILLARREAL. Certainly. Thank you for the question.
    As I mentioned in my oral testimony, we are all mission-
based, nonprofit lenders with an explicit purpose to work and 
serve these communities that we are talking about. So a lot of 
us are CDFIs. And as a CDFI, you know, over 60 percent of your 
lending must be to these underserved target markets.
    I think the other bonus that we bring that a traditional 
7(a) lender, a bank, cannot do is the business advising and 
technical assistance. It is a critical, critical piece that I 
think separates us from a traditional 7(a) lender. It is 
something that they cannot do and something that they are not 
modeled to do. And I will give you an example. We financed a 
woman minority pottery studio. Helped her create her website. 
She was still doing her books on Excel. We provided her 
QuickBooks so she could do her books more professionally, and 
then we helped her figure out how to best do her pricing. That 
is something a traditional bank could not do and would not do. 
So I think that is one of the primary things that separates us 
and why it is so important that the CA be made permanent. It is 
not something that a bank can do. It differentiates us in terms 
of our delivery system. We are a different delivery system, and 
I think that is the secret sauce within the Community Advantage 
program.
    Chairwoman CHU. Thank you for that.
    And I would like to ask any or all of the lenders here, I 
would like to hear more about the work that our Community 
Advantage lenders do to reach businesses in underserved 
markets. I understand that at least 60 percent of your lender 
loans must be in an underserved market as defined by SBA. But 
based on your testimony, all of you target underserved markets 
very intentionally and do so even before becoming a Community 
Advantage lender. Can each lender tell us what percentage of 
your Community Advantage loans are in undeserved markets?
    Mr. KROPF. Sure, Congresswoman. We are over 70 percent of 
our CA lending is to underserved markets. And one of the ways 
that we reach those markets is we partner with Community 
Development Corporations throughout the markets we serve. These 
are community-based organizations that support local businesses 
in their neighborhoods. We provide the resources for the 
Community Development Corporation to have that outreach in 
their neighborhoods. They provide referrals to us as a 
Community Advantage lender. They provide real value in that 
process, and for that they earn a small packaging fee that 
helps support their operations in the local community. So that 
has been a real good tie for us in being able to reach 
undeserved markets in Cleveland.
    Ms. BARRERA. Thank you, congressman.
    So over 60 percent of our population is in the low to 
moderate income level neighborhoods, and we, actually, in San 
Antonio, our offices are located in the poorest zip code in San 
Antonio. So our staff also are out in the communities in those 
poorest districts. Because who qualifies for loans from 
LiftFund but people that are underserved? If you have a good 
credit score, we are not going to accept you as a customer. If 
you are going to come in, you know, already qualifying for a 
bank, we are going to send you off. Our mission is to help the 
underserved become part of our financial mainstream.
    Mr. VILLARREAL. The only thing I would add is a couple of 
things. We work very well with some of the SBA programs. We 
think the SBA did a great job when they created Lender Match. 
It used to be called Link and then it came out as Lender Match. 
That has been wonderful and we get a lot of leads through that. 
We work with the Women Business Centers and the Small Business 
Development Companies, the SBDCs. So they are great referral 
sources.
    And I think the other thing that differentiates us is, for 
example, we set up our business advising where if a client 
walked in and they were of the underserved or emerging market 
and they were not quite loan ready, we off ramp them. It is a 
term we use. We off ramp them to business advising and got them 
ready and then put them back into the loan process. And last 
year, in fiscal year 2018, we did nearly $5 million of loans 
that way to folks that we would have in the past maybe passed 
up on or referred out to an SBDC. We work with them internally 
and they ended up getting a loan.
    Chairwoman CHU. Excellent.
    And I have heard from lenders who would like to see women-
owned and minority-owned businesses, specifically Black, 
Hispanic, Asian-Pacific, American or Native American owned 
businesses added to the list of undeserved markets for purposes 
of Community Advantage loans. What are the thoughts of any of 
you on this?
    Mr. VILLARREAL. We think that is critical. As I mentioned, 
some of the numbers, in terms of lending to Black businesses, 
Community Advantage is triple what the SBA Express is for loans 
under $250,000, and it is almost double for Latino. I think for 
women, Community Advantage is probably 35 to 40 percent. I am 
not sure exactly what it is for 7(a). SBA Expresses are 
$250,000, but it is probably more than double that. So I think 
that is critical. It is something that is measured by the SBA 
under the traditional 7(a) market. We do not understand why it 
is not a target market under CA.
    Chairwoman CHU. Okay. Well, thank you all so very much. 
This brings us to a close. We want to thank all of you, the 
witnesses, for taking time out of your schedule to be with us 
today.
    SBA's loan program, including the 7(a) program is designed 
to reach borrowers who cannot affordably and reasonably access 
credit from a conventional lender. The Community Advantage 
takes that important step further by reaching borrowers that 
even the general 7(a) program does not reach.
    As I said in my opening statement, this program reaches 
significantly more women and minorities than the 7(a) program, 
and as we heard today, it is also making a serious impact in 
our Nation's rural communities. Ensuring that this program will 
be available to future generations of entrepreneurs from 
underserved communities is a top priority of mine on this 
Committee. I look forward to working to ensure that this 
program becomes a permanent part of SBA's menu of loan 
products.
    Well, I would ask unanimous consent that members have 5 
legislative days to submit statements and supporting materials 
for the record.
    Without objection, so ordered.
    And if there is no further business to come before the 
Committee, we are adjourned. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 11:00 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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