[House Hearing, 116 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] INVESTING IN COMMUNITY: THE SBA'S COMMUNITY ADVANTAGE LOAN PROGRAM ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS, OVERSIGHT, AND REGULATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ HEARING HELD MAY 21, 2019 __________ [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Small Business Committee Document Number 116-022 Available via the GPO Website: www.govinfo.gov __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 36-429 WASHINGTON : 2019 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Publishing Office. Phone 202-512-1800, or 866-512-1800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS NYDIA VELAZQUEZ, New York, Chairwoman ABBY FINKENAUER, Iowa JARED GOLDEN, Maine ANDY KIM, New Jersey JASON CROW, Colorado SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas JUDY CHU, California MARC VEASEY, Texas DWIGHT EVANS, Pennsylvania BRAD SCHNEIDER, Illinois ADRIANO ESPAILLAT, New York ANTONIO DELGADO, New York CHRISSY HOULAHAN, Pennsylvania ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota STEVE CHABOT, Ohio, Ranking Member AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN, American Samoa, Vice Ranking Member TRENT KELLY, Mississippi TROY BALDERSON, Ohio KEVIN HERN, Oklahoma JIM HAGEDORN, Minnesota PETE STAUBER, Minnesota TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee ROSS SPANO, Florida JOHN JOYCE, Pennsylvania Adam Minehardt, Majority Staff Director Melissa Jung, Majority Deputy Staff Director and Chief Counsel Kevin Fitzpatrick, Staff Director C O N T E N T S OPENING STATEMENTS Page Hon. Judy Chu.................................................... 1 Hon. Ross Spano.................................................. 2 WITNESSES Ms. Angela Mavridis, Owner, Tribali Foods, San Marino, CA........ 5 Mr. Robert Villarreal, Executive Vice President, CDC Small Business Finance, San Diego, CA................................ 6 Ms. Janie Barrera, President and CEO, LiftFund, San Antonio, TX.. 8 Mr. John Kropf, President, Growth Capital Corp., Cleveland, OH... 10 APPENDIX Prepared Statements: Ms. Angela Mavridis, Owner, Tribali Foods, San Marino, CA.... 19 Mr. Robert Villarreal, Executive Vice President, CDC Small Business Finance, San Diego, CA............................ 22 Ms. Janie Barrera, President and CEO, LiftFund, San Antonio, TX......................................................... 43 Mr. John Kropf, President, Growth Capital Corp., Cleveland, OH......................................................... 53 Questions for the Record: None. Answers for the Record: None. Additional Material for the Record: None. INVESTING IN COMMUNITY: THE SBA'S COMMUNITY ADVANTAGE LOAN PROGRAM ---------- TUESDAY, MAY 21, 2019 House of Representatives, Committee on Small Business, Subcommittee on Investigations, Oversight, and Regulations, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:06 a.m., in Room 2360, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Judy Chu [chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding. Present: Representatives Chu, Craig, Spano, and Burchett Chairwoman CHU. Good morning. The Subcommittee will now come to order. I thank everyone for joining us this morning, and I want to especially thank the witnesses who have traveled from across the country to be with us today. On this Committee, we are focused on making sure that small businesses, whether in my district in California, in Ranking Member Spano's district in Florida, and in every district across American can access the capital they need to start, grow, and create new jobs. And we know that when capital is affordable and accessible on reasonable terms, small businesses can do what they do best--strengthen our communities and fuel our economy. This is something I have witnessed firsthand in my home state of California where 3.9 million small businesses make up 99.8 percent of our state's business, and employ almost half of our workers, making them an essential part of our economy. Though accessing capital affordably and on reasonable terms is a challenge virtually all entrepreneurs face, this is even more difficult for women, minority, and veteran entrepreneurs, as well as small businesses looking to revitalize the rural parts of our country. Recognizing the additional barriers to capital faced by entrepreneurs in these communities, SBA initiated the Community Advantage Loan Program as a pilot in 2011 to meet the credit and technical assistance needs of small firms in underserved markets. The Community Advantage Program provides mission-based lenders, mostly nonprofit financial intermediaries focused on economic development, access to loan guarantees under the general 7(a) program for loans of $250,000 or less. By utilizing Community Advantage, these lenders fill a gap in the market and help small businesses who face challenges accessing traditional capital to eventually become bankable businesses. A key aspect of the program is that lenders who participate in the program must make 60 percent of their Community Advantage loans in underserved markets. To access the program, a business must prove creditworthiness and a sound business idea, but unlike traditional lending, qualification for the program is not limited by the size of the borrower's balance sheet or amount of collateral involved. This makes a real difference for businesses that might not otherwise qualify for traditional lending. And so far, the program has been successfully meeting its goal of maximizing the footprint of SBA-backed lending to underserved markets. SBA stated in its Congressional Budget justification for fiscal year 2019, that this program reaches, and I quote, ``significantly more women and minorities than the traditional 7(a) loan program.'' Since it started in 2011, the program has been extended numerous times but it is currently set to expire in September 2022. That is why I am proud to be working with the Ranking Member of the Senate Small Business Committee, Senator Ben Cardin, on bicameral legislation to finally make Community Advantage a permanently authorized SBA loan program under the Small Business Act. Which brings me to the reason we are here today, to hear from Community Advantage lenders and a borrower about the impact that this important program has on underserved communities, and about the value this program is adding to our local economies every day. We can all agree that minimizing barriers to affordable access to capital for underserved entrepreneurs is an incredibly important function of this Committee. I look forward to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to address the challenges facing our small business owners when it comes to securing capital. Again, I thank the witnesses for being here, and I now yield to the Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, for his opening statement. Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. The economy continues to reach new heights, and from historic unemployment rates to encouraging GDP readings, the Nation is moving in the right direction. But despite these positive economic signs, the Nation's smallest firms continue to face obstacles when it comes to financing their businesses. With conventional lending options exhausted, they often turn to the Small Business Administration and their many capital access programs to finance their operations and their dreams. SBA's largest government guarantee program is the 7(a) loan program. In 2011, in using its own express authority, SBA created a 7(a) subprogram targeted at underserved communities called the Community Advantage Loan Program. Given that this program is not congressionally authorized, it is currently operating as a pilot program within SBA and thus, lacks the many requirements needed for a government guarantee loan program. Since its creation, this pilot's expiration date has been extended a number of times by SBA and was recently extended until September of 2022. In this last extension, SBA also made significant structural changes to the program to further examine it, which included prohibiting new Community Advantage lenders from participating to adjusting the loan loss reserve ratio. Ultimately, the decision to authorize this program lies solely with Congress. Small businesses, entrepreneurs, and startups from Ohio to my state of Florida benefit from many of SBA's capital access programs, including the Community Advantage pilot loan program. A comprehensive discussion on next steps for this program is required and that is what we are doing here today. I want to thank our witnesses. You have traveled from across the country to talk with us. Thank you very much for being here. I look forward to hearing about your experience with the program, what has worked and what has not worked. I am also interested in hearing how you believe the structural changes that the SBA put in place this past fall will impact the program. As we have these conversations, it is important to keep in mind that with any government program, comprehensive oversight is critical in safeguarding American taxpayer dollars. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman, for having this timely hearing. I yield back. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Mr. Spano. The gentleman yields back. And if there are any Committee members that have an opening statement, we would ask that they be submitted for the record. I would like to just take a minute to explain the timing rules. Each witness gets 5 minutes to testify and members get 5 minutes for questioning. There is a lighting system to assist you. The green light comes on when you begin, and the yellow light means there is 1 minute remaining. The red light comes on when you are out of time, and we ask that you stay within that timeframe to the best of your ability. I would like to introduce our witnesses now. I am so proud to welcome our first witness, owner of Tribali Foods and my very own constituent, Ms. Angela Mavridis. As a kind in her grandmother's kitchen, Angela discovered the nurturing power of real foods. Today, her organic 100 percent grass fed beef and organic 100 percent free range chicken patties are a flavorful celebration of simple ingredients. As a holistic nutritionist, Angela's ingredients for good nutrition are simple--eat real, whole, unprocessed food consisting of high quality proteins, colorful produce, a bit of fruit, nuts, or seeds, and a healthy dose of good fats. She also believes it is important to consider what foods make her happy, and after 35 years of abstaining from meat burger patties make Angela very happy. Gathered from nature and seasoned with loving care, Tribali Foods make healthier eating easier for everyone. Tribali foods creates easy meal options with a commitment to taste, nutrition, and transparent sourcing. Welcome, Ms. Mavridis. Our second witness is Mr. Robert Villarreal. Robert has over 24 years of experience in community economic development and nonprofit management, and is the executive vice president of economic development for CDC Small Business Finance based on Southern California. Here, he has held numerous roles over the last 14 years. Currently, his responsibilities include grant and capital development, strategic partnerships, and government relations. In addition, he is the administrator of three separate corporations, including the administrator of the State Loan Guarantee Program and president of the Bankers Small Business CDC of California, which is a CDFI. Prior to his current role, Villarreal led the CDC's Community Lending Program. Under his leadership, the CDC was the number one SBA Community Advantage lender in the Nation. Villarreal is currently a board member of Opportunity Finance Network, the Community California Reinvestment Coalition, the San Diego County Chicano Federation, and a member of Union Bank CSR Advisory Board. Villarreal is a graduate of UC San Diego with a graduate degree in political science and anthropology, and he has a M.A. in international political studies from the Monterey Institute of International Studies. Welcome, Mr. Villarreal. And our third witness is Ms. Janie Barrera. Jamie Barrera is founding president and CEO of LiftFund. The organization provides loans and management training to enterprises from startups to long established businesses. LiftFund operates in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. Since its inception in 1994, LiftFund has disbursed more than 21,000 loans, totaling more than $3 million, with an impressive 94 percent repayment rate. Ms. Barrera has received nationwide recognition for her accomplishments, including the Small Business Administration Financial Services Advocate of the Year, the Minority Enterprise Development Consortium's Corporate Advocate of the Year, and the San Antonio Business Hall of Fame. President Barrack Obama appointed her to the President Advisory Council on Financial Capability, and has served on the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas's San Antonio branch. She received a bachelor's degree from Texas A&M University Corpus Christi, and a master's degree in business administration from the University of the Incarnate Word. Welcome, Ms. Barrera. I would now like to yield to our Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, to introduce our final witness. Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chair. Our next witness is John Kropf. Mr. Kropf is president of Growth Capital Corporation, a certified development company that has been operating for over 35 years in Cleveland, Ohio, and has provided more than $500 million in loans to businesses. Prior to his service at Growth Capital, Mr. Kropf spent time as a certified development company lender and microlender in Pennsylvania, along with time spent at Wells Fargo. In addition to his banking career, Mr. Kropf is a United States Army veteran. I would like to thank you for your service, Mr. Kropf. And we welcome your participation at today's hearing. Madam Chair? Chairwoman CHU. Ms. Mavridis, you are recognized now for 5 minutes. STATEMENTS OF ANGELA MAVRIDIS, OWNER, TRIBALI FOODS; ROBERT VILLARREAL, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CDC, SMALL BUSINESS FINANCE; JANIE BARRERA, PRESIDENT AND CEO, LIFTFUND; JOHN KROPF, PRESIDENT, GROWTH CAPITAL CORP. STATEMENT OF ANGELA MAVRIDIS Ms. MAVRIDIS. Thank you. My name is Angela Mavridis, and I am the founder of a national CPG, a consumer packaged goods company called Tribali Foods. We are a real foods company, serving high quality, flavorful, and effortless meal solutions. Tribali Foods is also a certified women-owned business. I grew up in the restaurant business as my father owned and operated hamburger fast-food drive-thrus in the Pasadena area of Los Angeles. My father came to this country from Greece at the age of 17 to pursue his American dream. He opened his first location in 1952 and realized that dream through the success of his restaurants and real estate investments. He passed away 4 months ago, and I intend to honor his legacy and fulfill my American dream of strong family values, entrepreneurship, and giving back to my community. At the young age of 13 and seeking a healthier way of eating, I became a vegetarian. I was influenced by mainstream media and the marketing messages of the early 1980s and 1990s where meat, and specifically saturated fat, were vilified for their perceived health consequences. Fat was feared and meat was going to clog your arteries and give you plaque buildup. I adhered to a vegetarian diet for 35 years. Fast-forward to 4 years ago when I studied nutrition and became a holistic nutritionist. I came to learn that well-sourced, high-quality animal meats provide the nutrient density and health benefits that I lacked in my vegetarian diet. I tried my first organic, 100 percent grass fed, finished steak and never looked back. With my new knowledge and perspective, I began to explore opportunities in the sector I knew best, the food business. I drew upon my Greek heritage and culinary background and developed a line of seasoned burger patties and sliders. They are made from organic, ethically sourced, humanely raised animals, and are blended with only the freshest herbs, spices, vegetables, and purees to bring out my globally-inspired flavors. My products are also gluten, soy, and dairy free, Paleo certified, and Whole30 approved. They include organic, grass fed, and finished beef and free-range turkey and chicken patties. Since founding the company in 2016, I have managed to catapult the brand toward mainstream success with an appearance on the Today show, several industry awards standards like the NEXTY, and retail agreements with Target and Walmart nationally, as Whole Foods, Natural Grocers, Central Market, and other independent grocers in the California area. With my expansion and growth came the need to obtain capital to fuel the success. I needed the capital to help finance my next stage. I had momentum. I had brand recognition. I had proven my concept. I had national placement. I just needed a way to finance that next step. Through my networking with other CPG companies, particularly Terra's Whey, I became aware of the SBA financing opportunities and their support of women-owned businesses. I was introduced to her SBA small business loan provider, CDC Small Business Finance in 2018 for help. Obtaining the SBA financing through CDC Small Business Finance was a straightforward process with affordable terms and conditions. I remember the day I received the call that I had qualified for the full amount. It was probably one of the most monumental days of my life, as I had multiple purchase orders in front of me and I was not sure how I was going to fulfill them. The SBA loan came at the most opportune moment to help continue our momentum as a brand. Since then, I have used the Community Advantage Loan to fund production, establish sales and distribution, and implement a strong marketing strategy. We also qualified for the SBA Microloan program, which enhanced our product by financing all our raw material purchases. At the early stage Tribali was in, funding options were difficult to come by. The timing and importance of our SBA funding cannot be overstated. It jumpstarted our growth, fueled our expansion--our products are now distributed in 35 states-- and enabled us to become a viable business. Our growth will allow us to hire two new positions within our organization by yearend with more, and hopefully many more to follow. Our projections indicate that we will need additional funding and financing as we expand our product line and distribute to more retailers and geographical areas. We are prepared to take on that financing. I am a strong advocate for the SBA loan program. There are thousands of fledgling business owners who this program was designed for and who would otherwise have limited options to start and grow their businesses, hire staff, and enhance their communities. My own journey would be markedly different without this program. Without these loans, our success thus far could not have been possible. For that I am very grateful. I hope you will continue this program for entrepreneurs with the passion and vision to fulfill their American dream. Thank you. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Ms. Mavridis. And now, Mr. Villarreal, you are now recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF ROBERT VILLARREAL Mr. VILLARREAL. Good morning, Chairwoman Chu, Ranking Member Spano, and members of the Subcommittee. Thank you for convening this hearing to discuss SBA's Community Advantage Program (CA), a small, yet impactful pilot program launched in 2011. The program has effectively increased SBA lending to emerging markets in underserved communities, and we believe should be granted permanency and full program authority within the SBA's flagship 7(a) program. I am here today representing CDC Small Business Finance, or CDC, which for 40 years has been an advocate for small businesses. We are located in San Diego, California, and operate in California, Arizona, and Nevada. We deploy the array of SBA products, including the 504, Community Advantage, and SBA Microloan. In fact, we are the largest 504 and Community Advantage lenders in the country. Through these multiple programs, we have provided over $13 billion in capital to small businesses and created over 200,000 jobs. Today, my colleagues will be discussing some of the more technical aspects of Community Advantage. My comments today are focused on the purpose and impact of the program. When the CA program was launched in 2011, it was a bold step for the SBA, as for the first time they extended the administration's 7(a) program to community-based mission lenders with a goal of assisting small businesses that were not yet bankable, yet needed access to affordable and responsible capital. This was also an acknowledgement that the traditional 7(a) lending industry was falling short in providing small dollar loans to businesses in underserved communities. After the Great Recession, SBA lending to emerging markets had dropped significantly and the primary program the SBA had to reach these markets, Community Express, had double-digit losses and 85 percent of the production was concentrated with just three lenders. The SBA understood that mission lenders were the best suited to meet the capital needs of business populations which were not being met by traditional lenders. Mission lenders have a deep knowledge of their communities, and as an explicit purpose and mission, assist small businesses that are located in underserved areas or are owned by women and minority entrepreneurs. Mission Lenders measures success by how their small business clients perform and not by return to shareholders. So what has been the impact? In regard to our organization, CDC, we have funded 656 Community Advantage loans for over $91 million. This has resulted in 4,700 jobs supported and a less than 4 percent charge-off rate. As Chairwoman Chu mentioned, 60 percent of our lending must go to a target market. We are over 70 percent. In regard to the industry, over 5,300 loans have been made to small businesses, totaling over $712 million. And as mentioned, CA lenders are required to provide 60 percent of loans to target markets, the industry is at 70 percent of target market. One of the successes of the CA program has been its lending to Black and Latino small businesses, which coincidentally are not designated target markets in the program, although we believe they should be. In fiscal year 2018, 12 percent of Community Advantage loans were to Black-owned businesses, and 17 percent to Latino businesses. Compare this to 7(a) SBA Express for loans under $250,000, where loans to black businesses was just 4 percent, and lending to Latino businesses was 9 percent. Greater distinctions are seen in loans for startups, which are critical to keep the economy going. For CDC, over half of our portfolio is comprised of startup businesses as defined by the SBA, which is less than 2 years in business. Further, in fiscal year 2018, 44 percent of our approved loans were to pure startups, meaning the businesses had not opened their doors at the time of application. This leaves Community Advantage lenders to fill the void in the very important continuum of capital. There are currently 99 active CA lenders across the country, and CA loans have been made in 47 different states. While there is an understanding that Community Advantage loans are riskier, the cumulative charge-off rate on CA loans through fiscal year 2018 has been less than 3 percent. I credit this to the experience of the mission lenders like the ones seated here today. In closing, I would like to quote from my colleague from Montana, Dave Glaser, who is also a Community Advantage lender. He notes that as mission lenders, we are double bottom-line organizations, yet the SBA and others continue to focus on just one of the two lines, the 3 to 4 percent loss rate. Rather, we encourage them, and more importantly, this Committee, to focus on the second line, the 97 percent success rate and the incredible impact we have had for the 5,300 small businesses in the United States, just like the one seated here to my left. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Mr. Villarreal. Ms. Barrera, you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF JANIE BARRERA Ms. BARRERA. Thank you very much. Good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to speak before you on behalf of LiftFund and the CDFI community in support of the 7(a) Community Advantage program. This year marked our 25th anniversary in fulfilling our vision of opening doors, leveling the financial playing field, and building a community of shared success through entrepreneurship. Since 1994, we have provided 20,000 resilient, yet underbanked entrepreneurs with over $300 million in capital, allowing them to build assets and create and retain jobs in their communities. Our loans range from $500 to half a million dollars. The average loan size is under $25,000. The average FICO score of one of our borrowers is 590, and we have a 96 percent repayment rate. So we have learned how to mitigate risk. Since we are not a bank and do not have depositors, we have partnered with over 78 banks and credit unions, government loan programs, foundations, and impact investors to access the funds that we need to lend in the community. So unlike our for-profit businesses, in terms of our model, business model, we, as a not-for-profit, our business model is to lose our best customers. The for-profit world wants to keep them. We want them to graduate and go into the traditional banks. So we started in Texas 25 years ago, and now we are in 13 states across the southeast. We provide capital in some of the most economically segregated communities in our country, including the Mississippi Delta and the colonias along the Texas border. We serve urban cores, like New Orleans, Dallas, and Houston, along with areas that have been devastated by natural disasters, like in Florida. Since the early 2000s, LiftFund has worked closely with the U.S. Small Business Administration. First, we started out with the SBA Microloan program. Then, we expanded to the SBA 504 program in 2008. We operate two small Business Women's Centers, and in 2011 became part of the pilot program for the 7(a) Community Advantage. Our approach is simple, yet impactful. Coupling mission- driven capital with business and financial education, or technical assistance, to help business owners. Because of the Community Advantage program, we have served an additional 260 entrepreneurs over $33 million through this program. In October 2011, we made one SBA Community Advantage loan at $210,000. Last year, we made 53 loans totaling $8 million. Because these loans are guaranteed, we are able to sell them to the secondary market, allowing LiftFund to have the liquidity to make loans to minority, rural, and veteran business owners. LiftFund was one of the first recipients of the 7(a) program in 2011. Since then, we have done 260 loans resulting in over $33 million. We disbursed these to deserving entrepreneurs, like Shelenia and Rico Nelson, a veteran- minority couple in Round Rock, Texas, who wanted to open their own donut shop to provide a meaningful career path for their disabled son. As a startup, the Nelsons were not able to receive funding from their bank and were referred to LiftFund for support. We provided the Nelsons a $70,000 SBA community loan to do the buildout and open Crack the Dawn Donuts, now in its third year of operation. So these borrowers have created over 1,200 jobs and retained an additional 1,444 new jobs in the communities. The loans that we in the 7(a) community loan program are going to diverse communities. Fifty-eight percent of our clients are minorities. Thirty-five percent are women. Eighteen percent are veterans or their spouses. And 31 percent identify themselves as low to moderate income individuals. But over 60 percent loans are in the low to moderate income level neighborhoods. Our support goes beyond the urban core. Last year, 10 percent of our lending volume of the 7(a) program was to businesses in rural areas. Take Anamia Martinez Ortiz, for example, a small business owner in McAllen, Texas. She came to LiftFund in 2014 with less than a year under her belt as a business owner. She had approached several banks and was turned down. Banks are regulated, and she did not qualify. LiftFund is able to accept requests from startups and those with lower credit scores. Our underwriting looks at capacity and how they will repay the loan. So she started out with us and now she has 10 locations throughout the Rio Grande Valley. While our clients may have challenges, our repayment rate has continuously remained at or above 96 percent in our portfolio. I am proud of the entrepreneurial culture we have developed at LiftFund. We are responsible stewards of our lending funds, constantly improving our processes and evaluating to meet our client's need. We created our own risk model and underwriting criteria, and to this day continue to make adjustments on our data. We complement our internal controls with the SBA CA tools as well like the scorecard. At LiftFund, we take great pride in portfolio quality. Despite our clients' challenges, their repayment rate is high. In 2017, we increased our internal minimum SBA score for a 7(a) loan from 120 to 140. We did this a full year before the SBA made the same decision. We urge Congress to make the 7(a) Community Advantage program permanent and increase the loan amount from $250,000 to $350,000. It is essential to reach those often left behind-- minorities, women, and rural communities--and provide a pathway to prosperity for deserving and committed entrepreneurs. I want to personally thank you for the opportunity to speak and I appreciate being here. Thank you. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you, Ms. Barrera. Mr. Kropf, you are now recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF JOHN KROPF Mr. KROPF. Thank you, Chairwoman. Good day, Chairwoman Chu and Ranking Member Spano. I am John Kropf, president of Growth Capital Corp in Cleveland, Ohio, a mission-based, not-for- profit lender. And I am here today to share my experience with how growth capital is investing in community with our participation in the SBA Community Advantage program. Back in 2010, I was actually quite astounded to learn that SBA was rolling out what I considered to be an innovative and cost-effective solution to the problems of small businesses, especially those in underserved markets, having access to affordable financing to find, fund, and grow their companies. In expanding the 7(a) loan program to not-for-profit mission lenders like Growth Capital, Community Advantage linked a vital Federal Government loan guarantee mechanism to a healthy market-based, mission-based product delivery platform focused on serving those small businesses oftentimes neglected by traditional bank lenders or outright by nontraditional predatory lenders. How astonishing it was to see such innovation coming from a Federal bureaucracy like SBA. There was no new department created and no new big government program initiated. No new spending required to launch SBA Community Advantage. Instead, we witnessed the confluence of community-focused, impact-driven organizations like CDC Small Business Finance, LiftFund, and Growth Capital with the community-focused, impact-driven mandate of SBA. We did not initially apply for participation in the program because of regulatory restrictions, but in 2012, when SBA allowed for the use of loan service providers, along with the sale of SBA loan guarantees on the secondary market we jumped right in and were approved to participate. And jump right in we did. Having immediate impact on our communities with our CA lending and joining other prestigious industry leaders that have programmed today more than $680 million to over 5,100 small businesses, 70 percent in underserved markets. Our average size CA loan is only $133,000 and demonstrates our commitment to small dollar lending to small sized companies. But these numbers mean a lot more. These numbers are actually much more. These numbers have names and faces. They belong to people like my esteemed colleague, Bob Villarreal's borrower here today from Ms. Chu's district. They belong to borrowers like mine. Amy Wong of Dot Org Solutions in Akron, Ohio, who testified here before this Committee last year on the importance of the SBA Community Advantage program. These names and faces include other such borrowers like Destiny Burns, a retired Naval Officer who owns Cleveland Urban Winery, or Kathryn Green of Sassafras Land Design, or Jake Fitzpatrick, owner of Clifton Cleaners, and Mark Steinberg of Queen City Gutters in Cincinnati, Ohio. Every one of these borrowers, and indeed, almost all of our CA borrowers are what I describe as the ``just miss'' bank loan. Companies that are creditworthy but just miss the bank lending requirements, and many times these small loan requests miss the bank profitability requirements and are thus neglected by traditional bank lenders. And many of our banking partners make direct referrals to Growth Capital for CA loans. If these companies are not referred to a CA lender, many times they find alternative high-rate lenders and become outright exploited by nontraditional predatory lenders. We, ourselves, at Growth Capital just received a solicitation last week for an online loan. The rate was 48.7 percent when I checked online. So what is needed? There are several important items that I feel are needed and critical to expand our CA lending. One, increase the guarantee percentage. Currently, it is at 75 percent on loans up to $250,000, and 85 percent on loans below $150,000. A guarantee of 85 percent for all CA loans would dramatically help the liquidity of CA lenders throughout the country. CA loans currently require a guarantee of 85 percent under $150,000, and actually, 90 percent on international term loans. Growth Capital recently closed an international trade loan, and we actually represent 40 percent of all CA international trade loans disbursed under the program, and that carries a 90 percent guarantee. We would like to do more of those. That small company in Cleveland is actually an exporter selling equipment to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Hungary, and Romania. And our loan $250,000 required just $25,000 in capital. In closing, while I understand the current political conditions we are under, we, CA lenders, must currently operate, I understand the true bipartisan approach to supporting small businesses that this Committee takes. True bipartisan support is for the CA borrowers previously mentioned, Amy Wong of Dot Org Solutions; Destiny Burns, the retired Naval Officer; Kathryn Green of Sassafras Land Design; Jake Fitzpatrick and Clifton Cleaners; and Mark Steinberg of Queen City Gutters in Cincinnati, Ohio. They actually need more than bipartisan support. They, and CA lenders need tri-partisan support. We need to try. We need to try harder as CA lenders. We need to try more as an industry. We need to advance our Community Advantage lending and really try to do more investing in community. We will try to recognize the importance of financing underserved small business concerns that are inherent, the risk involved in financing underserved businesses, and the capacity of experienced mission-oriented lenders to manage risk and build sustainable, bankable businesses through our SBA Community Advantage program that I am confident this Committee will support. In conclusion, I wish to personally thank Chairwoman Chu and Ranking Member Spano and all the honorable members of this important Committee, and know that we all share the same passion and commitment to investing in community. Thank you all, and I am happy to participate in field your questions. Thank you. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you to all our witnesses. I am truly impressed by your testimony and your commitment to Community Advantage. And now, I will begin by recognizing myself for questions for 5 minutes. So Ms. Mavridis, thank you for being here today, and congratulations on your hard-earned business success. Can you share with us the state of your business before you received the Community Advantage loan and how being able to take out a Community Advantage loan made a difference for you in your business planning? Ms. MAVRIDIS. Certainly. Prior, the business was self- funded by personal funds, and I presented to the first market, which was Whole Foods, the idea. So they believed in me and gave me up to a year to go and build the brand, build the company, find my sources, and start production. And my personal funds took me that far, and once I had the order in Whole Foods, I got on their shelves and was able to sell into other multiple markets. And at that time I was borrowing from Father, from Dad, and repaying, and reborrowing again and repaying, and after that door closed my next step was to take a line of credit from the bank. But due to my assets that was not enough. So I became aware of the SBA loan and the CDC lender and that amount enabled us to fulfill the orders that I had gotten to make us a national brand. I was sitting with Target orders and Walmart and did not know how to finance them. So, once that money came in we were able to fund the production, make the distribution happen, and secure those sales. So it has helped my brand definitely get to the next phase. And without it we would not have had money to fulfill those orders. Chairwoman CHU. So you ran out of your personal funds and Father funds? Was there any other plan B had there not been the Community Advantage loan? Ms. MAVRIDIS. Right. And raising capital at that time to do a family and friends round or to start giving some equity up from your company, bigger CPG investors were not looking at us because we did not have at least a $2 million run rate yet. So it was right at that special spot where I had proof of concept, proof of product, but not proof of sales to get investors. And also, at that point you do not want to start giving up equity of your business, so this was the best choice. Chairwoman CHU. Well, then I would like to ask the panelists, all the panelists, you have valued experience with the Community Advantage program with different perspectives as lenders and borrowers. Can you tell us briefly if you would support the Community Advantage program being made permanent, how would permanency help small business in underserved areas? Mr. KROPF. Chairwoman, like any business, us CA lenders are in business. We are operating our own shops. We are private, independent operations. And like any market, like any industry, having the ability to have some level of permanency in the market to understand that the decisions we make today we can carry through tomorrow. And without the permanency of the Community Advantage program, there is a lot of uncertainty in the industry and in the marketplace. So we could certainly benefit from that certainty. Ms. BARRERA. And I would like to add the fact that we, as you heard before in the testimonies, we are the stepping stone into the banks. And so by having a permanent program like this, we can do the things that the banks cannot do in getting them prepared by reporting back to the credit bureaus their payment history with us because that is how we improve our credit scores is by borrowing money, paying it back on time, and providing that technical assistance. So like I said in the beginning, we are trying to get rid of our best customers and graduate and so we can be that stepping stone for banks. Mr. VILLARREAL. I would echo the statements by Janie and John. Two important things that permanency does. One is almost all of us get our capital from banks and, you know, banks should be and will be reluctant to extend longer term credit to us if the program is going to expire in 24 or 30 months. So it adds some stability to the program. And also, permanency will increase a number of Community Advantage lenders. As all of us can testify here, jumping into 7(a) lending as a CA lender is expensive, and it is a commitment of time and resources. And you are not going to do that unless you have some permanency to the program, so that is why it is critical. Chairwoman CHU. Well, I have run out of time so I would like to now call upon the Ranking Member, Mr. Spano, for 5 minutes. Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. Ms. Mavridis, thank you again for being here. I am just curious how you heard about the SBA and the loan options that were available to you through the SBA. Ms. MAVRIDIS. I actually listened to a podcast from a mentor of mine of how to grow your CPG business, and the name of the company was Terra's Whey. And Terra herself was on the podcast talking about the loan. But honestly, had I not heard that, I do not know how I would have become aware of this. Mr. SPANO. Thank you. Ms. Barrera, you had mentioned that LiftFund has created your own risk model in terms of assessment of risk. I guess my question, how does your risk model differ from the traditional risk model? What is the difference and what has allowed you to be as successful as you have been in this space? Ms. BARRERA. Well, the traditional lenders, as in the banks, have certain criteria that they have to follow because of regulators. You know, either the OCC, the FDIC, the Federal Reserve, and those are very stringent. They are in the box. You have to fit that box. And if you do not, you do not get the loan. At LiftFund, since we are a not-for-profit, we can look outside the box. We still look at FICO scores but that is not going to be the reason that we make a loan. We look at capacity of the repayment and so on. And so what has happened since we have been around for 25 years, we have been collecting data of the unbanked and underbanked for 25 years. And I had a real smart intern about 2010 that came in and I said, create a profile of a good paying customer and a not-so-good paying customer using SASS. And that is what happened. Eventfully, now it is aggregated over all these years that, you know, with AI and so on, we have been able to have our own internal technical algorithm for a scorecard. So, you know, a Florida application comes in, it comes in to San Antonio, we do the underwriting there through the algorithm. It pops up red, yellow, green. Green, continue the process; red and yellow, loan officer contact them. Why is it red and yellow? So that is why we are able to do all these little bitty loans across our footprint and still not make any money because we are not for profit and we have a lot of, you know, folks that we have to handhold through the process as well in terms of getting their financials ready and so on. But we have been using technology to be able to provide this pretty good accurate underwriting scorecard. Mr. SPANO. Is it fair to say that based on what you just said then that the capacity to repay is really the primary function that you are looking for---- Ms. BARRERA. Yes, sir. Mr. SPANO.--as opposed to payment history? Ms. BARRERA. That is right. Mr. SPANO. Even though that is a very complicated algorithm that I cannot understand and maybe most of us here cannot, but that is basically the---- Ms. BARRERA. Basically, that is what it is. You know, how long they have been living in their place, how long the business and so on. But, you know, it takes a lot of other things, too, because some of them are startups and have been in operations, you know, less than a year. So it takes in all these other factors. Mr. SPANO. Thank you so much. Mr. Kropf, you describe, if you would for the Committee, your institution's working relationship with SBA? What I mean by that is how often do you interact with them? Describe, if you would, their oversight process of your organization. Mr. KROPF. Sure. Thank you, Congressman. Yeah. SBA is our primary regulator, so that is one part of the relationship. SBA has a very stringent regulatory regime for certified development companies, as well as CA lenders. So from that standpoint, that is really the beginning of the relationship from a regulatory oversight perspective. But we are also partners, especially with the Community Advantage program. We are partners in investing in community. So one of those loans that I had mentioned, Clifton Cleaners, he went to SBA because he could not get a loan from the bank. He went to our local district office. They referred him to us. They understand the type of borrower that Community Advantage can really assist, and they provided that referral to us. We closed the loan just 2 weeks ago. So that is another important relationship, not just the regulatory oversight but the partnerships to invest in community I think is also very important. Mr. SPANO. And real quickly, in your written testimony you describe a relationship with Fifth Third Bank. Mr. KROPF. Yes. Mr. SPANO. Can you describe that relationship very quickly, and then the benefit to the community? Mr. KROPF. Yes. Fifth Third Bank provides capital for us to lend for our Community Advantage program. It is very innovative in its approach where we have a warehouse line of credit that we draw on throughout the year to fund our Community Advantage loans. We sell on the secondary market, vitally important for liquidity. We repay a portion of that line of credit. The unguaranteed portion stays on that line throughout the year. We service interest. At the end of the year they term it out for us long-term to match the loans that we have on the books, the Community Advantage loans. Mr. SPANO. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you. The gentleman's time has expired. But the good news is I believe we will have time for a second round of questions. So now, the gentleman from Tennessee is recognized, Mr. Burchett from Tennessee. Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman and Ranking Member. I appreciate all you all coming out for your testimony. One question I had, Ms.--tell me how to say your name, ma'am. Ms. Mavridis? Ms. MAVRIDIS. Yes. Mr. BURCHETT. All right. I get that. All right. I grew up in Knoxville and we have a huge Greek community there, and I am very fond of them. Actually, my daddy was dean of student conduct, and a lot of the Greek merchants, they started nice restaurants. And I do not know about anywhere else. I think everybody else goes hungry if they do not have a lot of Greek folks in the community because that is all the restaurants they run and they are awesome. And as a matter of fact, my first traditional Greek meal I ever had was at the Pizza Palace in Knoxville. I always kid about that. It is actually not, you know, it was just pizza, but it was wonderful. And it still is. It is where we go on date night or when it is my night to cook. But anyway, I am always remembered by the Greek folks because in 1976, my momma had cancer and daddy took momma to Memphis and there was my brother and sister and I kind of had to fend for ourselves and the Greek community was so wonderful. They brought all this wonderful food. And honestly, I never knew if it was for breakfast, lunch, or dinner, or it was desert, because they would put the name on it, and of course, you know, it was just delicious. I know I ate baklava for supper every night if I could. So that was wonderful and it was a great community. But you had mentioned that, you said, and I am sorry about you losing your daddy as well. I lost both my parents and that is a hole that just seems to never get filled. So I have sympathy with you. But you mentioned that your father, you borrowed from him and then if the SBA had not come along, but you stopped there. What other options would you have had if the SBA had not come along? Ms. MAVRIDIS. I think you can do a round for family and friends and put a business deck together where you raise capital from those around you that believe in your concept. And I was not at the point yet to get investors in to take equity because I did not have proof of sales. Mr. BURCHETT. Right. You would have to give them a piece of the action; right? Ms. MAVRIDIS. Right. Right. And no one wants to do that. Mr. BURCHETT. No. Ms. MAVRIDIS. At such an early stage in the business. Mr. BURCHETT. An attorney told me, he said, you pay them, do whatever, you know, points on the loan, whatever, but never give away your ownership because 50 percent plus one and you do not own it anymore. So I understand it. Mr. Kropf, in your testimony you mentioned a Community Advantage International Trade loan. Can you explain or describe that type of loan? Does it have different terms? Mr. KROPF. Yes. Thank you, Congressman. The International Trade Loan has been a subset of 7(a) for many years. It currently carries an incentive to support exporters. It provides a 90 percent loan guarantee to the lender. It has been open for banks, been open to bank participation for years through the Export Assistance Centers throughout the country. We have one in Cleveland. But about 4 years ago, we did the first ever Community Advantage Loan under the International Trade Loan program. We were the first ones to do it and we had to work pretty hard to figure that out. But after we did, SBA surprisingly incorporated the International Trade Program terms to Community Advantage lenders. And we were able to process that recent loan under our own delegated lending authority. So we were able to support that small exporter who exports asphalt equipment to the Middle East and Eastern Europe when he could not obtain a bank loan. If not for this $250,000 community advantage loan, this company would not have been able to make exports and import wealth into our country, and I think that is vitally important, congressman. Mr. BURCHETT. All right. I yield back to the Chairlady. Thank you so much. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you. The gentleman's time has expired and the gentleman yields back. Now I recognize myself for 5 minutes for a second round of questioning. Mr. Villarreal, a critical component of the Community Advantage pilot program was to expand the 7(a) program to mission-based lenders which are CDFIs, SBA 504, CDCs, and microlenders. Can you talk more about how mission-based lenders are best situated to meet the needs of small businesses that are in underserved areas or are owned by women and minority business owners? Mr. VILLARREAL. Certainly. Thank you for the question. As I mentioned in my oral testimony, we are all mission- based, nonprofit lenders with an explicit purpose to work and serve these communities that we are talking about. So a lot of us are CDFIs. And as a CDFI, you know, over 60 percent of your lending must be to these underserved target markets. I think the other bonus that we bring that a traditional 7(a) lender, a bank, cannot do is the business advising and technical assistance. It is a critical, critical piece that I think separates us from a traditional 7(a) lender. It is something that they cannot do and something that they are not modeled to do. And I will give you an example. We financed a woman minority pottery studio. Helped her create her website. She was still doing her books on Excel. We provided her QuickBooks so she could do her books more professionally, and then we helped her figure out how to best do her pricing. That is something a traditional bank could not do and would not do. So I think that is one of the primary things that separates us and why it is so important that the CA be made permanent. It is not something that a bank can do. It differentiates us in terms of our delivery system. We are a different delivery system, and I think that is the secret sauce within the Community Advantage program. Chairwoman CHU. Thank you for that. And I would like to ask any or all of the lenders here, I would like to hear more about the work that our Community Advantage lenders do to reach businesses in underserved markets. I understand that at least 60 percent of your lender loans must be in an underserved market as defined by SBA. But based on your testimony, all of you target underserved markets very intentionally and do so even before becoming a Community Advantage lender. Can each lender tell us what percentage of your Community Advantage loans are in undeserved markets? Mr. KROPF. Sure, Congresswoman. We are over 70 percent of our CA lending is to underserved markets. And one of the ways that we reach those markets is we partner with Community Development Corporations throughout the markets we serve. These are community-based organizations that support local businesses in their neighborhoods. We provide the resources for the Community Development Corporation to have that outreach in their neighborhoods. They provide referrals to us as a Community Advantage lender. They provide real value in that process, and for that they earn a small packaging fee that helps support their operations in the local community. So that has been a real good tie for us in being able to reach undeserved markets in Cleveland. Ms. BARRERA. Thank you, congressman. So over 60 percent of our population is in the low to moderate income level neighborhoods, and we, actually, in San Antonio, our offices are located in the poorest zip code in San Antonio. So our staff also are out in the communities in those poorest districts. Because who qualifies for loans from LiftFund but people that are underserved? If you have a good credit score, we are not going to accept you as a customer. If you are going to come in, you know, already qualifying for a bank, we are going to send you off. Our mission is to help the underserved become part of our financial mainstream. Mr. VILLARREAL. The only thing I would add is a couple of things. We work very well with some of the SBA programs. We think the SBA did a great job when they created Lender Match. It used to be called Link and then it came out as Lender Match. That has been wonderful and we get a lot of leads through that. We work with the Women Business Centers and the Small Business Development Companies, the SBDCs. So they are great referral sources. And I think the other thing that differentiates us is, for example, we set up our business advising where if a client walked in and they were of the underserved or emerging market and they were not quite loan ready, we off ramp them. It is a term we use. We off ramp them to business advising and got them ready and then put them back into the loan process. And last year, in fiscal year 2018, we did nearly $5 million of loans that way to folks that we would have in the past maybe passed up on or referred out to an SBDC. We work with them internally and they ended up getting a loan. Chairwoman CHU. Excellent. And I have heard from lenders who would like to see women- owned and minority-owned businesses, specifically Black, Hispanic, Asian-Pacific, American or Native American owned businesses added to the list of undeserved markets for purposes of Community Advantage loans. What are the thoughts of any of you on this? Mr. VILLARREAL. We think that is critical. As I mentioned, some of the numbers, in terms of lending to Black businesses, Community Advantage is triple what the SBA Express is for loans under $250,000, and it is almost double for Latino. I think for women, Community Advantage is probably 35 to 40 percent. I am not sure exactly what it is for 7(a). SBA Expresses are $250,000, but it is probably more than double that. So I think that is critical. It is something that is measured by the SBA under the traditional 7(a) market. We do not understand why it is not a target market under CA. Chairwoman CHU. Okay. Well, thank you all so very much. This brings us to a close. We want to thank all of you, the witnesses, for taking time out of your schedule to be with us today. SBA's loan program, including the 7(a) program is designed to reach borrowers who cannot affordably and reasonably access credit from a conventional lender. The Community Advantage takes that important step further by reaching borrowers that even the general 7(a) program does not reach. As I said in my opening statement, this program reaches significantly more women and minorities than the 7(a) program, and as we heard today, it is also making a serious impact in our Nation's rural communities. Ensuring that this program will be available to future generations of entrepreneurs from underserved communities is a top priority of mine on this Committee. I look forward to working to ensure that this program becomes a permanent part of SBA's menu of loan products. Well, I would ask unanimous consent that members have 5 legislative days to submit statements and supporting materials for the record. Without objection, so ordered. And if there is no further business to come before the Committee, we are adjourned. Thank you. [Whereupon, at 11:00 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.] A P P E N D I X [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [all]