[House Hearing, 114 Congress]
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              INTERIOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT LEGISLATION

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                                HEARING

                               BEFORE THE

                            SUBCOMMITTEE ON
                    IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY

                                 OF THE

                       COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                           FEBRUARY 11, 2015

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                           Serial No. 114-12

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    This document corrects the error in the dates on the front 
cover, the contents page (p. III), and page one of the printed 
hearing.
                            C O N T E N T S

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                           FEBRUARY 11, 2015

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                           OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Trey Gowdy, a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of South Carolina, and Chairman, Subcommittee on 
  Immigration and Border Security................................     1
The Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of California, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on 
  Immigration and Border Security................................     3
The Honorable Bob Goodlatte, a Representative in Congress from 
  the State of Virginia, and Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary     6
The Honorable John Conyers, Jr., a Representative in Congress 
  from the State of Michigan, and Ranking Member, Committee on 
  the Judiciary..................................................     7
The Honorable Luis V. Gutierrez, a Representative in Congress 
  from the State of Illinois, and Member, Subcommittee on 
  Immigration and Border Security................................     8

                               WITNESSES

The Honorable Sam S. Page, Sheriff, Rockingham County, NC
  Oral Testimony.................................................    10
  Prepared Statement.............................................    13
Frank L. Morris, Sr., Member, Board of Directors, Progressives 
  for Immigration Reform
  Oral Testimony.................................................    21
  Prepared Statement.............................................    23
Walter D. (Dan) Cadman, Senior Fellow, Center for Immigration 
  Studies
  Oral Testimony.................................................    28
  Prepared Statement.............................................    30
Most Reverend Gerald F. Kicanas, Bishop of Tucson, U.S. 
  Conference of Catholic Bishops
  Oral Testimony.................................................    47
  Prepared Statement.............................................    49

          LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC., SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING

Material submitted by the Honorable John Conyers, Jr., a 
  Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, and 
  Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary.....................    72
Material submitted by the Honorable Sheila Jackson Lee, a 
  Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, and Member, 
  Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security................    89

                                APPENDIX
               Material Submitted for the Hearing Record

List of Submissions from the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a 
  Representative in Congress from the State of California, and 
  Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security   119
Material submitted by the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative 
  in Congress from the State of California, and Ranking Member, 
  Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security................   120
Response for the Record from Walter D. (Dan) Cadman, Senior 
  Fellow, Center for Immigration Studies.........................   131
Prepared Statement of Peter Kirsanow, Member, U.S. Commission on 
  Civil Rights,..................................................   135
Prepared Statement of Wade Henderson, President & CEO, The 
  Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights..........145
                       deg.OFFICIAL HEARING RECORD
      Material Submitted for the Hearing Record but not Reprinted

Submissions for the Record from the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a 
    Representative in Congress from the State of California, and 
    Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security. 
    These submissions are available at the Subcommittee and can also be 
    accessed at:

    http://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ByEvent.aspx?EventID=102941.


              INTERIOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT LEGISLATION

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                      WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2015

                        House of Representatives

            Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security

                       Committee on the Judiciary

                            Washington, DC.

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 1:03 p.m., in 
room 2141, Rayburn Office Building, the Honorable Trey Gowdy 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Gowdy, Goodlatte, Lofgren, 
Conyers, Smith, King, Buck, Ratcliffe, Trott, Jackson Lee, and 
Guiterrez.
    Staff Present: (Majority) Allison Halatei, Parliamentarian 
& General Counsel; George Fishman, Subcommittee Chief Counsel; 
Dimple Shah, Counsel; Andrea Loving, Counsel; Graham Owens, 
Clerk; and (Minority) Tom Jawetz, Minority Counsel.
    Mr. Gowdy. Welcome. The Subcommittee on Immigration and 
Border Security will come to order. Without objection, the 
Chair is authorized to declare recesses of the Committee at any 
time.
    We welcome everyone; our witnesses and our guests. I would 
remind our guests that they are indeed guests and disruptions 
will be dealt with by removal. With that, I would recognize 
myself for an opening statement and then my friend from 
California for her opening statement.
    The consensus in our country is that the current 
immigration system is broken, unworkable and not functioning 
for the best interests of our fellow citizens, and part of that 
is the widely held belief among our fellow citizens that our 
borders are insufficiently secured and frankly border security 
is much broader than simply a negotiating item in an ongoing 
immigration debate.
    Border security is part of what defines a sovereign nation; 
the ability to control who comes and goes and provide 
assurances that national security is indeed the preeminent 
function of the Federal Government. But even the most secured 
of borders will not alleviate the need for further reforms and 
off repeated statistics bears mentioning again, which is that 
around 40 percent of those who are not in the country lawfully 
originally entered through lawful means. Simply put, around 40 
percent of the undocumented population were invited here and 
overstayed their invitation. And, no fence can be designed or 
built to deal with the issue of internal se-