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THE RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARD: IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES
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HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND POWER
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
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JUNE 22, 2016
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COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE
FRED UPTON, Michigan
Chairman
JOE BARTON, Texas FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey
Chairman Emeritus Ranking Member
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois ANNA G. ESHOO, California
JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York
GREG WALDEN, Oregon GENE GREEN, Texas
TIM MURPHY, Pennsylvania DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado
MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas LOIS CAPPS, California
MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania
Vice Chairman JANICE D. SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois
STEVE SCALISE, Louisiana G.K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina
ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio DORIS O. MATSUI, California
CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington KATHY CASTOR, Florida
GREGG HARPER, Mississippi JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland
LEONARD LANCE, New Jersey JERRY McNERNEY, California
BRETT GUTHRIE, Kentucky PETER WELCH, Vermont
PETE OLSON, Texas BEN RAY LUJAN, New Mexico
DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia PAUL TONKO, New York
MIKE POMPEO, Kansas JOHN A. YARMUTH, Kentucky
ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois YVETTE D. CLARKE, New York
H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa
GUS M. BILIRAKIS, Florida KURT SCHRADER, Oregon
BILL JOHNSON, Ohio JOSEPH P. KENNEDY, III,
BILLY LONG, Missouri Massachusetts
RENEE L. ELLMERS, North Carolina TONY CARDENAS, California
LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana
BILL FLORES, Texas
SUSAN W. BROOKS, Indiana
MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina
CHRIS COLLINS, New York
KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
Subcommittee on Energy and Power
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky
Chairman
PETE OLSON, Texas BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
Vice Chairman Ranking Member
JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois JERRY McNERNEY, California
JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania PAUL TONKO, New York
ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York
GREGG HARPER, Vice Chairman GENE GREEN, Texas
DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia LOIS CAPPS, California
MIKE POMPEO, Kansas MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania
ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois KATHY CASTOR, Florida
H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland
BILL JOHNSON, Ohio PETER WELCH, Vermont
BILLY LONG, Missouri JOHN A. YARMUTH, Kentucky
RENEE L. ELLMERS, North Carolina DAVID LOEBSACK, Iowa
BILL FLORES, Texas FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey (ex
MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma officio)
RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina
JOE BARTON, Texas
FRED UPTON, Michigan (ex officio)
C O N T E N T S
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Page
Hon. Ed Whitfield, a Representative in Congress from the
Commonwealth of Kentucky, opening statement.................... 1
Prepared statement........................................... 2
Hon. Bobby L. Rush, a Representative in Congress from the State
of Illinois, opening statement................................. 3
Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the
State of New Jersey, opening statement......................... 6
Prepared statement........................................... 7
Hon. Fred Upton, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Michigan, prepared statement................................... 175
Witnesses
Janet McCabe, Acting Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency......................................................... 9
Prepared statement........................................... 12
Answers to submitted questions............................... 224
Howard Gruenspecht, Deputy Administrator, U.S. Energy Information
Administration................................................. 15
Prepared statement........................................... 17
Chet Thompson, President, American Fuel and Petrochemical
Manufacturers.................................................. 51
Prepared statement........................................... 54
Bob Dinneen, President and CEO, Renewable Fuels Association...... 78
Prepared statement........................................... 80
Todd J. Teske, Chairman, President, and CEO, Briggs & Stratton
Corporation.................................................... 90
Prepared statement........................................... 93
Brooke Coleman, Executive Director, Advanced Biofuels Business
Council........................................................ 101
Prepared statement........................................... 103
Collin O'Mara, President and CEO, National Wildlife Federation... 129
Prepared statement........................................... 132
Anne Steckel, Vice President of Federal Affairs, National
Biodiesel Board................................................ 146
Prepared statement........................................... 148
Tim Columbus, General Counsel, National Association of
Convenience Stores and Society of Independent Gasoline
Marketers of America........................................... 152
Prepared statement........................................... 154
Submitted Material
Statement of the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, submitted
by Mr. Kinzinger............................................... 177
Letter of June 21, 2016, from Commander Kirk S. Lippold, USN
(Ret.) to Mr. Olson, submitted by Mr. Kinzinger................ 188
Statement of the Advanced Biolfuels Association, submitted by Mr.
Whitfield...................................................... 190
Statement of Growth Energy, submitted by Mr. Whitfield........... 196
Statement of the National Farmers Union, submitted by Mr.
Whitfield...................................................... 199
Statement of the National Council of Chain Restaurants, submitted
by Mr. Whitfield............................................... 202
Statement of the Coalition for Renewable Natural Gas, submitted
by Mr. Whitfield............................................... 211
Prepared statement of Hon. Steve King............................ 219
Report from the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, submitted
by Mr. Rush.................................................... 221
THE RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARD: IMPLEMENTATION ISSUES
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WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2016
House of Representatives,
Subcommittee on Energy and Power,
Committee on Energy and Commerce,
Washington, DC.
The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:02 a.m., in
room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Ed Whitfield
(chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
Members present: Representatives Whitfield, Olson, Barton,
Shimkus, Pitts, Latta, Harper, McKinley, Pompeo, Kinzinger,
Griffith, Johnson, Long, Flores, Mullin, Hudson, Rush, Tonko,
Welch, Loebsack, and Pallone (ex officio).
Also present: Representative King.
Staff present: Will Batson, Legislative Clerk, Energy and
Power, Environment and the Economy; Allison Busbee, Policy
Coordinator, Energy and Power; Rebecca Card, Assistant Press
Secretary; Tom Hassenboehler, Chief Counsel, Energy and Power;
A.T. Johnston, Senior Policy Advisor; Ben Lieberman, Counsel,
Energy and Power; Brandon Mooney, Professional Staff Member,
Energy and Power; Annelise Rickert, Legislative Associate;
Chris Sarley, Policy Coordinator, Environment and the Economy;
Dan Schneider, Press Secretary; Jean Fruci, Minority Energy and
Environment Policy Advisor; Caitlin Haberman, Minority
Professional Staff Member; John Marshall, Minority Policy
Coordinator; Jessica Martinez, Minority Outreach and Member
Services Coordinator; Dan Miller, Minority Staff Assistant; and
Alexander Ratner, Minority Policy Analyst.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ED WHITFIELD, A REPRESENTATIVE IN
CONGRESS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY
Mr. Whitfield. I would like to call the hearing to order
this morning, and I would like to recognize myself for a 5-
minute opening statement.
This morning we are going to revisit the Renewable Fuel
Standard, the EPA program to add agriculturally based fuels
like ethanol and biodiesel to the nation's transportation fuel
supply. It has been nearly a decade since the RFS was last
revised by Congress in 2007 and a great deal has changed in the
interim. Energy markets have evolved in ways that were not
predicted back then, and RFS implementation has taken many
unexpected turns.
For these reasons we are conducting this hearing to assess
the status of the RFS and I welcome both the government and
stakeholder witnesses who will provide us with many
perspectives on this multifaceted issue. And we will have two
panels of witnesses this morning representing all sides of the
issue, and I really look forward to the hearing.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Whitfield follows:]
Prepared statement of Hon. Ed Whitfield
This morning we will revisit the Renewable Fuel Standard,
the EPA program to add agriculturally-based fuels like ethanol
and biodiesel to the nation's transportation fuel supply. It
has been nearly a decade since the RFS was last revised by
Congress in 2007, and a great deal has changed in the interim.
Energy markets have evolved in ways that were not predicted
back then, and RFS implementation has taken many unexpected
turns. For these reasons, we are conducting this hearing to
assess the status of the RFS, and I welcome both the government
and stakeholder witnesses who will provide us with many
perspectives on this multi-faceted issue.
As I see it, the RFS was enacted largely for three
reasons--to reduce America's dependence on foreign oil, to
lower greenhouse gas emissions, and to strengthen rural
economies. Over the span that the RFS has been in place, oil
imports have indeed declined dramatically. However, most of
this trend is due to sharply increased domestic oil
production--something that few imagined was even possible
during the Congressional debates over the RFS. Little of the
decline in import dependence can be attributable to the RFS
itself.
The RFS was also supposed to provide a means for
significantly reducing greenhouse gas emissions, but a growing
number of scientists and environmental advocates are saying
otherwise. Reports from the National Academy of Sciences, the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the Congressional
Budget Office, and others have all hedged on whether renewable
fuels are delivering the promised greenhouse gas reductions.
And today, we will learn more about research showing that the
RFS may be resulting in the destruction of carbon-storing
natural lands that are being converted into cropland. In fact,
EPA's Inspector General is currently investigating whether the
agency has been ignoring these and other scientific
developments that raise questions about the impact of the RFS
on emissions.
The third goal of the RFS is to boost rural economies, and
here we can say that the program has delivered on its promise.
The RFS has strengthened the demand for and price of corn,
soybeans, and other feedstocks. And the bio-refineries that
turn these materials into renewable fuels are primarily located
in small farming communities where they provide a substantial
number of jobs. I might add that many in the animal agriculture
sector believe that the RFS raises the price of feed, so the
benefits are far from universal, but overall the program
remains popular in rural Kentucky and most of rural America.
I believe we should have an open mind on whether changes
are needed. Perhaps we can improve upon the benefits of this
program while minimizing the downside.
I am particularly concerned about the impact of the RFS on
consumers. Billions of gallons of ethanol are being added to
the fuel supply and we need to be certain that these renewable
fuel-containing blends work well for the owners of the millions
of cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, and small engine equipment
who use them. That is why I am particularly pleased that we are
being joined by Mr. Todd Teske, the CEO of Briggs & Stratton,
who can expand on the impacts of the RFS on outdoor power
equipment.
In addition, I am concerned about the program's long-term
future, especially given that after the year 2022, the EPA will
have a great deal of latitude in redesigning the program as the
agency wishes. For these and other reasons, I welcome this
important and necessary discussion of the RFS.
Mr. Whitfield. At this time, I would like to yield the
balance of my time to the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Shimkus.
Mr. Shimkus. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, I want to
apologize. As Assistant Administrator McCabe knows, I am
probably headed down to the White House for a bill signing so I
am going to miss some of the--well-timed maybe, but I am going
to miss some of the testimony and the questions.
But just to weave the story, it was in 1992 where the
auction and debate came into the fuel market, Clean Air Act of
'92. I am reminded when I see my friend Kenny Hulshof in the
background it was in 1998 when I really passed my first bill
that changed EPAC on biodiesel to get real credits for fleets
for fuel use, and that was just Karen McCarthy from Kansas
City, Missouri, have a long part in this debate. In 2005, under
the leadership of Chairman Barton we changed the debate again.
We changed it from the clean air portions to energy security
and that is what brought 2005 into the market. Then under the
leadership of Chairman Waxman under Democrat controls we
expanded the RFS and really started pushing next generation
cellulosic issues.
And we kind of find ourselves, this is kind of where we
find ourselves now, but the world has changed also with
fracking and so the energy independence issue is in front of
us. You ask yourself why are we exporting and importing either
ethanol, exporting or importing ethanol. You ask yourself why
are we importing and exporting biodiesel when if we need it we
ought to maybe just be selling it to ourselves instead of
having to ship it overseas. All this will require, you know,
changes in laws.
And I would ask our panelists to not only give us their
best case story but also to listen to each other, because as we
move forward we are going to have to move towards compromise
because a lot of people have raised capital, assumed risk,
created jobs, great tax bases for our communities, and we will
be better when we work together than when we work apart and I
know we can do that.
And with that Mr. Chairman, again I apologize for having to
leave, probably well timed. I wish I could take credit for the
President's decision to have this now, but with that I yield
back the balance of my time.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back.
And before I introduce Mr. Rush, I do want to recognize Mr.
Tom Bliley, former chairman of the Energy and Commerce
Committee, the distinguished gentleman from Richmond. And when
I first came to Congress in 1995 he was our chairman and did a
fantastic job. And Tom, welcome back to the Energy and Commerce
Committee.
At this time I would like to recognize the gentleman from
Illinois, Mr. Rush, for a 5-minute opening statement.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. BOBBY L. RUSH, A REPRESENTATIVE IN
CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS
Mr. Rush. I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman,
this is a very important hearing on the implementation of the
Renewable Fuel Standard. As you can imagine, Mr. Chairman, my
office has taken dozens of meetings on this important topic for
both proponents who support the RFS as it is as well as from
the opponents who would like to see the RFS either modified or
repealed altogether.
From its inception I strongly supported this policy and the
goals that it was first enacted to do. Some of the objectives
include helping to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil,
enhancing energy security, bolstering the agricultural sector,
and addressing the challenges of climate change by reducing
greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector, Mr.
Chairman, are some of the things that I have strongly
supported.
Since that time, Mr. Chairman, the energy landscape has
changed significantly in our nation, and at meeting after
meeting in my office we have received a host of competing and
in many cases contrasting information on the impact of the RFS.
Today I am most interested, Mr. Chairman, in hearing about
the impact of the RFS on food and agricultural prices as well
as the issues surrounding the gasoline ethanol blend wall.
Additionally, Mr. Chairman, with more frequent record-breaking
temperatures and history making extreme weather events, it is
imperative that we also examine the impact of the RFS in
regards to climate change for those who are concerned about
this very, very critical issue.
It is my hope that today we will be able to shed light on
the current status of the program and find more clarity on the
effectiveness it has had in meeting its original goals. I am
pleased with the diversity of the panelists and the different
industry sectors that they represent, as I believe this will
lead to a more robust and comprehensive debate.
Hopefully, Mr. Chairman, today's discussion will provide
clarity and a better understanding of this issue for members on
both sides of the aisle. I think it is important to hear from
the various stakeholders on some of these important issues
surrounding the RFS in a public and transparent setting, where
they will have the opportunity to respond and rebut other
witnesses so that members may gain a better idea of what indeed
is fact and what is fiction in regards to this debate.
So Mr. Chairman, it goes without saying that I look forward
to learning more about most of the opportunities and the
challenges to implementing the RFS as currently drafted, and it
is my hope that we can work to find an excellent common ground
on this issue moving forward. With that Mr. Chairman, I yield
back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields----
Mr. Rush. No, I yield a minute to Mr. Welch.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields to Mr.--OK.
Mr. Welch. Thank you, Bobby. I thank the gentleman. Thank
you, Mr. Chairman, for this hearing.
The RFS mandate has been a well-intended flop. It has not
helped the environment, it has hurt it. It has not reduced
fuel--it has increased food costs in this country and in
foreign countries, and it has done an immense amount of engine
damage to everyday folks who want to use chainsaws; want to use
boats, boat motors; want to use motorcycles.
And I have here a photograph from the Burlington Free Press
which shows a carburetor that was clean, it used regular gas,
and this was one that was brought in that has been damaged by
ethanol. And I have a carburetor here. It will be a little
tougher to see, but this is from a Suzuki motorcycle owned by a
veteran. And one side is what would be the condition of the
carburetor with regular gas. This is the dirty, filthy side
that is the carburetor from the use of ethanol, and the veteran
who owned that motorcycle had to pay a bill of $786 just to fix
that up from the damage done by ethanol.
So we have got this situation here where in addition to the
food costs, in addition to the environmental damage, everyday
folks who are out there riding their motorcycles, veterans,
everybody using a small engine, using their chainsaw are
finding that when they leave it there suddenly it is wrecked.
And in fact my chainsaw got wrecked as a result of ethanol, so
I have got a chainsaw grievance along with a lot of my
constituents.
This was a plan that had bipartisan support, RFS. It had
the best of intentions, it had the worst of outcomes. It is
time for us to change it, and I am delighted to be working with
Mr. Flores of Texas in a strange partnership of the Lone Star
State and the Green Mountain State. Thank you very much. I
yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back and the
gentleman's time has expired. Mr. Upton is not going to take
the time for an opening statement. Is there anyone on our side
of the aisle that would like to claim time for an opening
statement? Mr. Barton. Mr. Barton is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. Barton. Oh, I am not going to use 5 minutes, Mr.
Chairman. I do want to thank the chairman and Mr. Rush for
holding this hearing, and I want to thank Mr. Welch and Mr.
Flores for introducing their bill.
I was chairman of the full committee when we put the
original Renewable Fuel Standard in place in the Energy Policy
Act of 2005. I supported it then. I was ranking member when
they passed the 2007 Energy Bill that greatly expanded it, and
I have vehemently opposed the expansion in committee and on the
floor. And so I have been for it and I have been against it.
I today think, Mr. Chairman, that you could actually repeal
it and market conditions would still provide a robust market
for ethanol and all other alternative fuels. There is no
question that the oxygenate ability of ethanol is a positive.
There is also no question that this is not a struggling
industry that needs the various protections and mandates that
we have put into the law, and there is also no question that
you can't meet the requirement, the market cannot meet the
requirement that the current law requires.
So I think this is an excellent hearing. I am going to
listen with an open mind. Again I want to thank the chairman
and the ranking member and our two bipartisan cosponsors for
this legislation. I am not sure we can legislate this year, but
I think it is something that needs to be looked at in the near
future.
And I will be happy to yield to Mr. Flores. It looks like
he wants some time. I yield the balance of my time to Mr.
Flores.
Mr. Flores. I thank Mr. Barton for his comments and for
yielding the time. I also thank Mr. Welch for working with me
to introduce a common sense, market-driven, bipartisan solution
to deal with the well-intended law that just hasn't worked out
the way it should.
I also want to thank the chairman for holding today's
hearing. It has been almost 9 years since the RFS was expanded
under the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, and I
am very pleased that we are revisiting the important role of
this committee and the Congress to exercise oversight through
today's hearing.
One of the biggest concerns that will be discussed today is
that the 2007 era assumptions of increasing gasoline demand
turned out to be far too optimistic. And the volumes that were
set forth in the statute do not come close to recognizing
today's market reality with respect to gasoline demand.
Consumers are now faced with a law, actually they are adversely
impacted with the law that continues to increase a mandate in
ethanol at a time when they are using less gasoline.
Last month, Mr. Welch and I introduced the Food and Fuel
Consumer Protection Act and again this is a market-driven,
common sense, bipartisan solution. It is a simple one. It
prevents the RFS mandate from forcing more ethanol into the
market than is technically and commercially feasible. And with
that I yield back the balance of my time. Thank you.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. Pallone,
for 5 minutes.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. FRANK PALLONE, JR., A REPRESENTATIVE
IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY
Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Chairman Whitfield and Ranking
Member Rush for this opportunity to hear from the
Administration and many of the key stakeholders on the
Renewable Fuel Standard program.
The transportation sector is our country's largest consumer
of oil and the second largest emitter of carbon pollution, so
the development of low carbon renewable fuels is certainly
critical. The RFS program that Congress established in 2005 and
amended significantly in 2007 has helped extend our domestic
fuel supply and it has spurred investment in alternative fuel
production. The RFS has also supported farm incomes and rural
economy in a number of states.
In recent years, domestic production of fuel overall
increased due to expanded domestic production of oil and gas,
and the production of ethanol has also provided us with a
stable supply of domestic fuel. And the availability of ethanol
provided an alternative to MTBE as an octane enhancer and
oxygenate when MTBE proved to be a problem in water systems
across the country.
Despite these successes, there have also been a number of
challenges. For example, the annual obligation for the EPA to
set RFS targets has been more controversial and challenging
than Congress originally anticipated. Moreover, the increase in
renewable fuel production targets Congress passed in 2007
anticipated faster and broader based development of cellulosic
ethanol and other advanced biofuels.
There are also a number of constituencies, particularly
equipment manufacturers and their customers including small
boaters, who still have concerns about increasing the
percentage of ethanol beyond the ten percent fraction that is
commonly sold throughout the country. And there are others who
question whether increasing biofuel production will achieve the
program's important environmental goals, particularly the goal
of reducing greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation
sector.
I want to thank Assistant Administrator McCabe for coming
today to discuss the EPA's implementation of the RFS. This is a
challenging assignment. Every year, EPA must balance many
different factors with the needs and desires of many assorted
players throughout the fuel supply chain from production to
distribution to use. And to some degree, this has been made
more difficult by the fact that the targets we set in 2007
assumed that the demand for transportation fuels would continue
to grow. However, we have actually seen reduced demand
nationally for transportation fuel due to a combination of
historically higher fuel prices, increased vehicle fuel
efficiency, slower growth in vehicle miles traveled, and of
course the recession.
So I look forward to hearing more about the implications
for the fuel market from Mr. Gruenspecht from the Energy
Information Agency, as well as from witnesses on our second
panel. During today's hearing we should consider how the RFS
contributes to the deployment of the low carbon transportation
system of the future that benefits both our environment and our
economy, but we should also consider how this program could
work better to help us meet our climate goals. Fortunately, we
have an excellent panel of witnesses here today who can speak
to these matters, so I look forward to hearing their
perspectives on the RFS program.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Pallone follows:]
Prepared statement of Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr.
Thank you Chairman Whitfield and Ranking Member Rush for
providing us an opportunity to hear from the Administration and
many of the key stakeholders in the Renewable Fuel Standard
(RFS) program.
The transportation sector is our country's largest consumer
of oil and the second largest emitter of carbon pollution, so
the development of low carbon renewable fuels is critically
important. The RFS program that Congress established in 2005
and amended significantly in 2007 has helped extend our
domestic fuel supply, and it spurred investment in alternative
fuel production. The RFS has also supported farm incomes and
rural economies in a number of states.
In recent years, domestic production of fuel overall
increased due to expanded domestic production of oil and gas.
The production of ethanol has also provided us with a stable
supply of domestic fuel. And, the availability of ethanol
provided an alternative to MTBE (M-T-B-E) as an octane enhancer
and oxygenate when MTBE proved to be a problem in water systems
across the country.
Despite these successes, there have also been a number of
challenges. For example, the annual obligation for the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to set RFS targets has
been more controversial and challenging than Congress
originally anticipated. Moreover, the increase in renewable
fuel production targets Congress passed in 2007 anticipated
faster and broader-based development of cellulosic ethanol and
other advanced biofuels.
There are also a number of constituencies--particularly
equipment manufacturers and their customers, including small
boaters--who still have concerns about increasing the
percentage of ethanol beyond the 10 percent fraction that is
commonly sold throughout the country. And there are others who
question whether increasing biofuel production will achieve the
program's important environmental goals, particularly the goal
of reducing greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation
sector.
I want to thank Assistant Administrator McCabe for coming
today to discuss the EPA's implementation of the RFS. This is a
challenging assignment. Every year, EPA must balance many
different factors with the needs and desires of the many
assorted players throughout the fuel supply chain--from
production to distribution to use.
And to some degree, this has been made more difficult by
the fact that the targets we set in 2007 assumed that the
demand for transportation fuels would continue to grow.
However, we've actually seen reduced demand nationally for
transportation fuel due to a combination of historically higher
fuel prices, increased vehicle fuel efficiency, slower growth
in vehicle miles traveled, and the recession.
I look forward to hearing more about the implications for
the fuel market from Mr. Gruenspecht from the Energy
Information Agency, as well as from witnesses on our second
panel.
During today's hearing we should consider how the RFS
contributes to the deployment of the low-carbon transportation
system of the future that benefits both our environment and our
economy. But, we should also consider how this program could
work better to help us meet our climate goals. Fortunately, we
have an excellent panel of witnesses here today who can speak
to those matters. I look forward to hearing their perspectives
on the RFS program.
Mr. Pallone. I yield the remainder of my time to
Representative Loebsack.
Mr. Loebsack. Thank you, Mr. Pallone, and thank you, Mr.
Chair, for having this hearing. It is very important. I only
came to Congress in 2007 so I was able to vote on at least the
2007 bill. Assistant Administrator McCabe, Deputy Gruenspecht,
thank you for taking the time to come here today to discuss the
RFS.
And harnessing the power of our renewable resources is an
absolutely critical part of our energy portfolio here in
America. I think we can all agree on that. The RFS, I believe,
has proven that it works. It has created jobs, it has supported
our agricultural communities, and it has decreased our
dependence on foreign oil.
The RFS has helped bring competition, something that was
intended, and consumer choice, another thing that was intended,
to the retail transportation fuel marketplace while reducing at
least to some degree our dependence on foreign oil imports. In
addition, the industry supports over 400,000 U.S. jobs that
can't be outsourced and has contributed some $45 billion to the
U.S. economy, while in fact reducing the emissions of
greenhouse gases.
As you also all know my state is a leader in biofuels, and
before we get too carried away with ethanol, that also includes
biodiesel, by the way. That is very important as far as the RFS
is concerned and it has positively impacted of course our
domestic energy sources. To help advance greater choice at the
pump I have also introduced legislation to establish a grant
program through the USDA to invest in renewable and alternative
fuel infrastructure. My bill, the Renewable Fuel Utilization,
Expansion, and Leadership Act, or REFUEL, will create a new and
retrofit existing infrastructure including pumps for biofuels
and hydrogen tanks, piping, and electric vehicle chargers so
that we have not just ethanol and biodiesel.
Too often, infrastructure constraints are cited as the
reason for not giving consumers the choices they deserve and
this is about choices--keep that in mind--and for holding back
the development of our renewable and alternative energy sources
that create jobs in Iowa and across the country. The REFUEL Act
will help bridge that divide by making important investments in
the infrastructure needed to provide consumers with the choices
that they want at the pump.
We must do more to decrease our dependence on foreign oil
and expand our use of renewable energy sources that boost
economic development in our rural areas and at the same time
promote homegrown fuel sources such as biofuels and wind power.
Administrator McCarthy stated in February of 2016, ``We need to
get the program RFS back on track. Every gallon of ethanol you
take out you can only replace with more fossil fuels, so we
must continue to fight to ensure that our rural communities are
part of to put our nation back on a sustainable path so that
those rural communities can do that and create good jobs in our
rural areas.''
And I don't have any visual aids with me, but one of them I
could think of might be a corncob although not necessarily
that. Also I think if we had a soldier or a Marine here who has
gone to fight in the Middle East, I think that would be
important because this is also about making sure that we reduce
our dependence on foreign oil, and I think we lose sight of
that sometimes when we talk about the RFS. It is about choices.
Yes, it is about jobs, but it is also creating a situation
where we are not so dependent on other countries for oil.
So thank you for yielding, Mr. Pallone. And thank you, Mr.
Chair, for having this hearing today and look forward to the
testimony. Thank you.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. And that
concludes the opening statements, so we are now ready for our
first panel of witnesses and I am delighted that both of you
joined us this morning. Our first witness is Ms. Janet McCabe
who is the acting assistant administrator at the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency.
Ms. McCabe, thanks for being with us. You are recognized
for 5 minutes for your opening statement. Just make sure the
microphone is on and you know the drill.
Ms. McCabe. I know the drill.
Mr. Whitfield. Thank you.
Ms. McCabe. Been here before.
STATEMENT OF JANET MCCABE, ACTING ADMINISTRATOR, U.S.
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY; AND HOWARD GRUENSPECHT, DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR, U.S. ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION
STATEMENT OF JANET MCCABE
Ms. McCabe. Thank you, Chairman Whitfield, Ranking Member
Rush, and other members of the subcommittee. I very much
appreciate the opportunity to testify on the RFS program today
and EPA's current proposed rule setting the annual volume
standards for 2017 and biomass-based diesel volume requirement
for 2018.
As has been noted, the RFS program began in 2006 under the
Energy Policy Act of 2005, and the program was then modified by
the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. The goals of
that law include moving the United States towards greater
energy independence and security and increasing production of
clean, renewable fuels. The law established new annual volume
targets for renewable fuel that increase every year to reach a
total of 36 billion gallons by 2022, including 21 billion
gallons of advanced biofuels.
Congress included tools known as waiver provisions for EPA
to use to adjust the statutory targets in specified
circumstances, including where the statutorily prescribed
volumes could not be met. After an extensive notice and comment
process including working closely with our federal partners at
the USDA and the DOE, EPA finalized regulations to implement
those requirements and those became effective in July of 2010.
The Clean Air Act requires EPA to issue annual standards
for four different categories of renewable fuels: total,
advanced, biomass-based diesel, and cellulosic. These standards
designate the percentage of each biofuel category that
producers and importers of gasoline and diesel must blend into
transportation fuel, heating oil or jet fuel, and those must be
issued by November 30th of each year for the following year,
and 14 months in advance for the biomass-based diesel category.
On November 30th, 2015, we finalized standards for 2014
through 2016, and a biomass-based diesel volume for 2017. In
that final rule, we used the waiver authorities provided by
Congress to lower the volume requirements for total, advanced,
and cellulosic below the statutory targets, but only to the
extent necessary and appropriate in light of supply limitations
and to levels that will drive ambitious, achievable growth.
On May 16th of this year, we issued a proposed rule to
establish the annual percentage standards for cellulosic,
advanced, and total renewable fuel that will apply in 2017, and
also the volume requirement for biomass-based diesel for 2018.
In this proposal, we are proposing to take the same approach to
setting standards and volume requirements as in last year's
rule.
This Administration is committed to supporting continued
growth and renewable fuels, especially advanced biofuels,
through this proposed rulemaking. We are proposing volumes that
once again would require significant growth in renewable fuel
production and use over historical levels directionally
consistent with congressional intent. The proposed volumes
represent increases across the board, and while they are not as
high as the statutory volumes they are intended to drive
increased production and use of renewable fuel.
As proposed, total renewable fuel volumes would grow by
nearly 700 million gallons between 2016 and 2017. Advanced
renewable fuel which requires a minimum 50 percent lifecycle
greenhouse gas emissions reduction would grow by nearly 400
million gallons. The conventional or non-advanced portion of
the renewable fuels would increase by 300 million gallons which
is 99 percent of the congressional target of 15 billion
gallons.
Biodiesel which must also achieve at least 50 percent
lifecycle emission reductions would grow by 100 million gallons
between 2017 and 2018, which is more than double the
congressionally mandated minimum level of one billion gallons.
And cellulosic biofuel which is the most advanced, requires 60
percent lifecycle reductions, would grow by 82 million gallons
which is 35 percent increase between 2016 and 2017. We believe
that these proposed volumes are achievable and consistent with
Congress' clear intent to drive renewable fuel use even as we
propose to use the waiver authorities that Congress also
provided so that we can manage the program responsibly.
We had a public hearing in Kansas City, Missouri, on June
9th. There were more than 125 people who spoke there
representing a broad range of interests. The public comment
period for our proposed rule will remain open through July
11th, 2016, and we look forward to reviewing everybody's
comments and continuing to engage with the stakeholders as we
do as we work towards a final rule. We also look forward to any
additional information and data that will come our way that
will inform our final standards. We are committed to issuing
those standards on the statutory time frame which would be by
November 30th of this year.
We continue to encourage and support production and
blending of renewable fuels to maximize reductions in
greenhouse gases. This has and will continue to be a high
priority for my office and the EPA. We are continually
monitoring developments in the industry as a result of both the
RFS program and other programs run by USDA and DOE that support
biofuels and biofuel infrastructure such as USDA's Biofuel
Infrastructure Partnership program. And we will continue to
work closely with our federal partners as we implement this
statute.
Again I thank you for an opportunity to be here this
morning, and I look forward to your questions and to the
discussion.
[The prepared statement of Janet McCabe follows:]
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Ms. McCabe. And our next witness
is Mr. Howard Gruenspecht who is the deputy administrator of
the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Mr. Gruenspecht,
you are recognized for 5 minutes for an opening statement.
STATEMENT OF HOWARD GRUENSPECHT
Mr. Gruenspecht. Chairman Whitfield, Ranking Member Rush,
members of the committee, I appreciate the opportunity to
appear before you today. The Energy Information Administration
is a statistical and analytical agency within the Department of
Energy. By law our data analyses and projections are
independent, so my views should not be construed as
representing those of the Department or any other federal
agency.
My testimony has eight main points. First, the RFS program
is not expected to come close to the legislated target of 36
billion gallons of renewable motor fuels use by 2022. All of
EIA's referenced case projections since enactment of the
present RFS targets in 2007 reflect a shortfall that continues
to grow through 2022. Virtually all of the shortfall involves
cellulosic biofuels.
Second, substantial increase in biofuels use would require
moving beyond the low percentage blends that account for nearly
all current biofuels consumption. Third, the hope that large
volumes of liquid cellulosic biofuels would be available within
the decade following adoption of the 2007 RFS targets has not
been realized. The actual supply of liquid cellulosic fuels was
less than one-tenth of one percent of the legislated RFS target
for cellulosic biofuels in 2015.
In mid-2014, EPA began issuing cellulosic RFS credits for
compressed natural gas and liquid natural gas derived from
landfills and other biogas recovery facilities that exist
independently of the RFS program. Cellulosic biogas, which
unlike liquid cellulosic fuels does not displace petroleum use,
provided more than 97 percent of total cellulosic biofuels
credits in 2015.
A fourth point, ethanol faces demand, distribution system,
and regulatory challenges that pose barriers to increasing its
use as a motor fuel. As some of the members have indicated,
ethanol has three distinct roles in motor fuels markets:
providing octane, adding to fuel volume, and providing energy
content. Ethanol has achieved great success in the first two
roles where it is supported by factors independent of the RFS.
While these two uses also provide some energy content,
additional use of ethanol as an energy content source faces
significantly higher economic hurdles, as shown in Figure 1 of
my written testimony, and therefore depends more directly on
the RFS.
Fifth, while gasoline demand has been very robust over the
last 18 months, longer term EIA projections shown in Figure 2
show a declining trend in motor gasoline use, significant
change from projections made prior to 2010. Even these updated
projections do not reflect the recently proposed fuel economy
standards for heavy-duty trucks because our projections are
based on current laws and regulations, and those proposed
regulations if finalized would significantly reduce projected
diesel fuel use.
Reductions in the long term projections for gasoline use
mainly reflect higher fuel economy standards actually also
enacted in 2007 at the same time the RFS targets were changed,
slower economic growth, possible changes in consumer behavior,
and until recently higher gasoline prices. So we think that
some of these adjustments in gasoline demand have likely
affected the timing of some current RFS compliance challenges,
but unlike the other factors addressed in my testimony it is
not a major cause of the persistent past and projected
shortfalls in biofuels use relative to the legislative targets.
Sixth, and I think this has also been mentioned in the
opening statements, actual and projected reliance on oil
imports is significantly lower than it was when the expanded
RFS program was enacted in 2007. Figure 3 of my testimony shows
that reflecting the combined effects of more robust domestic
petroleum production and lower petroleum demand. Biofuels
volumes added in response to the RFS program have played only a
smaller part in reducing net import dependence taking account
of the fact that ethanol would continue to be used as an octane
and volume source independent of the RFS, and I think that was
also made a comment by one of the opening statements.
Seventh, the near and long term costs of the RFS depend on
the price of oil, the price of agricultural commodities used to
produce biofuels, future implementation decisions, and all else
equal lower oil prices tend to raise the cost of RFS
compliance.
And then I just want to close by pointing out that EIA
remains actively engaged in matters related to the RFS--of
course we don't get involved in policy matters--including data
on biodiesel and ethanol production and ethanol blending. We
provide EPA with short term forecasts for motor fuels use and
cellulosic biofuels production as required by statute and also
develop longer term projections. Thank you again for the
opportunity to testify.
[The prepared statement of Howard Gruenspecht follows:]
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Mr. Whitfield. Well, thank you, Mr. Gruenspecht, and thank
both of you for your testimony. At this time I would like to
recognize the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Olson, for 5 minutes of
questions.
Mr. Olson. I thank the chair.
Mr. Whitfield. Sorry, Mr. Barton.
Mr. Barton. If Mr. Olson is fired up, I will let him go
first. I am going to be here a while.
Mr. Olson. The chairman knows we Texans are always fired
up.
Mr. Barton. I will yield to Mr. Olson, and then I will go
on the next Republican, because he is ready.
Mr. Whitfield. All right, Mr. Olson.
Mr. Olson. I thank both the gentlemen. Welcome, Mr.
Gruenspecht, and a special welcome to Ms. McCabe. Every time we
ask you to show up, you show up, and I appreciate that.
Together we have seen huge changes in the American energy
sector. Together we have changed outdated policies to reflect
our current situation. Together we ended the ban on American
crude oil exports, a 40-year law that we ended together.
Together we started shipping American liquefied natural gas
overseas striking blows to Russia, OPEC, and ISIS. Together we
have said out with the old, in with the new. Our RFS policy is
old and I hope together we can make it new.
Here is an idea for you to consider, Ms. McCabe. As you
know the obligation to comply with the RFS is currently on the
refiner. Not all refiners, but some independent refiners. They
get hit hard by this fact. These refiners don't control the
ethanol. They generally don't even see it, but yet they are on
the hook for the mandate.
What are your thoughts, ma'am, about changing the point of
obligation or other like issues important to major refiners?
Ms. McCabe. Well, thank you for that question, Congressman,
and I indeed am always happy to come here and speak with you
about these interesting issues and important issues. The point
of obligation issue which you raise is one that is very much on
our minds right at the moment and it has been for some months
because there is a great deal of interest in it from a variety
of perspectives.
When the original RFS rule was done in 2010, this was our
discussion, where would the obligation land. And there was a
robust and public process, and the final rule with the support
of many in the industry was that the right place to put it was
on the refiners. And in recent years we have been hearing
people question that and say wouldn't it be better to put it
somewhere else.
We now actually have several petitions pending in front of
us to ask us to undertake a rulemaking to look at that issue.
So we are looking at that. We are talking to people across the
board. Not everybody is of that view as you might expect. So we
need to be collecting that information, talking to people. We
will respond to the petitions. I don't have a time frame to
give you this morning, but we are looking at them very closely
and know this is an important issue to look at.
Mr. Olson. Thank you, good news.
Mr. Gruenspecht, a question for you, my friend. EPA's final
rule for the RFS has yet another increase in the renewable fuel
mandates. To up this work and avoid hitting the blend wall, EPA
assumes that the use of higher blends of ethanol will increase
and that demand for E0, fuel without any corn ethanol, will
remain low.
EPA's estimated projections that demand for E0 will only be
200 million gallons going forward per year, yet boat owners and
chainsaw owners and small engine owners still buy plenty of E0
to avoid damaging their engines. In fact, in a ``Today in
Energy'' piece EIA put out this May, you all said that
Americans used 5.3 billion gallons of E0 in 2015. E0 is really
hard to find, yet somehow motivated Americans have found a way
to buy over five billion gallons of it.
EPA projects that E0 use will be, again 20 million gallons
in the future. You guys are about five billion gallons apart
going forward. As they say in Texas, that is a big E0 enchilada
to swallow. My question is, how likely is it that E15 use will
explode to by five billion gallons or that if that is not going
to happen, how likely is it that E0 will sink by 96 percent and
get down to 200 million gallons per year?
Your thoughts with that, sir?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I guess so. So yes, EIA does data work and
analysis work. And what we have put out in our data is data. We
know how much E0 is produced. We know how much is exported. You
know, there is some, a little bit of ethanol that we can't
account for and so we kind of assume that that was used to
blend some of the E0 down and then we came up with that number.
That is not a statement about what should happen or might
happen. You know that is a statement looking back with the data
we have available as what has been happening. I don't think
that necessarily there are differences--well, EPA should
obviously speak for itself. But our statement is not about what
should happen or how much E0 is needed for certain uses, it is
just a statement that we know, we think we know how much of
this is being absorbed by domestic consumers. Now people want
something----
Mr. Olson. Ms. McCabe, do you coordinate at all with the
EIA? Do you coordinate with them and get their input? Because
he said it is five billion gallons per year. You guys are down
to 200 million. I mean, five billion, 200, it is way off. So do
you listen to them at all?
Ms. McCabe. No, we certainly coordinate with them very
closely. This is a very recent report and as soon as it came
out our staff was on the phone with Howard's staff very quickly
to make sure that we understand what is behind those numbers.
Every time we go to a proposal we have got a set of information
in front of us. We do our best to project into the future,
which is what our job is about. And then between proposal and
final not only do we get information from the stakeholders but
we get further updates from the EIA, and those are absolutely
informative to us as we finalize our rule.
Mr. Olson. But you shouldn't be surprised. You should work
together. I yield back.
Mr. Gruenspecht. And I would also say that in that article
again just factually that over the last 3 years the calculated
use of E0 to final consumers, has been dropping. So again, but
you correctly cite what was in the article.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time the chair recognizes the gentleman from Illinois, Mr.
Rush, for 5 minutes.
Mr. Rush. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Administrator McCabe,
the issue of RFS seems to have morphed into an all or nothing
scenario where there is no room for common ground or
compromise. Almost immediately after the EPA finalized the RFS
volumes for 2017, your agency was attacked from both sides of
the debate. Supporters believed the volumes were too low while
opponents thought they were too high, and both sides are
bringing lawsuits against the agency.
How do you respond to these charges and did the agency
really foresee being sued by both sides?
Ms. McCabe. We were not surprised to be sued by both sides,
Congressman. And there are some important issues here and I
think once the courts speak to those issues there will be more
clarity going forward.
Our job is to try to implement the statute, and as you say
we haven't pleased everybody entirely. This statute is, and
this program is about choice, it is about diversity, it is
about providing incentives and opportunity for cleaner fuels to
compete in the marketplace, so you are going to have people
from different vantage points having very strong views about
it.
But we think that we are doing what we are supposed to do,
which is to look at the information, to talk to everybody, to
understand the industry as well as we can, and to do our very
best to implement what we understand the intent of Congress to
be, which is to have more renewable fuels in our transportation
supply.
Mr. Rush. On the issues that surround the RFS, the issues
that have been discussed today, and there are some issues that
we haven't talked about today, but is it your opinion that the
EPA has the tools and the authority to deal with the challenges
as they arise or is there some more that the Congress should be
doing?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I believe that Congress gave us the tools
in the statute that we need in order to implement it. And as
has been recognized today, the world changes and certainly over
the last decade the world has changed considerably. The world
will change. We will come back here in 2 years and it will be
different again, and 5 years and 10 years.
And Congress had a long vision for this program, and I
think that is one of the challenges that people are seeing is
that it takes a while to introduce this kind of change into a
market system. But Congress gave us clear goals, they gave us
clear criteria that we are supposed to consider, and they gave
us the waiver authority to use in situations where in our
judgment regulating the statutory volumes was just not
feasible. So we are comfortable moving forward with the tools
that Congress has given us.
Mr. Rush. I would like to switch lanes if I could. What is
the EPA's views on the so-called blend wall? Does the agency
have concerns surrounding this issue, and if so how are these
issues and these concerns being addressed by the agency?
Ms. McCabe. So the blend wall is a term that people use to
refer to the amount of ethanol that is generally blended into
E10. which is ten percent, and if you go above that amount it
is referred to as exceeding the blend wall. In order to reach
Congress' statutory volumes there needs to be more ethanol in
the system than can be absorbed just through E10 and we think
that that is doable through blends like E15 and E85, and of
course there are other types of renewable fuels that are being
developed and can get into the system as well.
So this is one of the key issues of debate. This proposal
that we put out would call for ethanol above that ten percent
ceiling, but we think in a responsible and a doable way that
will help encourage the higher ethanol blends into the system.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. This time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Barton, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Barton. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr.
Gruenspecht--is that correct, Gruenspecht? Your Figure 2 that
in your testimony--I want to make sure I understand this. In
the estimate, the original estimate back in 2007, if I read it
correctly your agency estimated that we would be using about
ten million gallons of gasoline a day; is that correct? The
little blue line on----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Yes, that is approximately ten million.
Mr. Barton. And diesel was about four million a day; is
that right?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Yes.
Mr. Barton. OK. How many gallons of gasoline are we using a
day right now?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I believe that this year we actually
expect gasoline demand to be about 9.3 million barrels a day.
Mr. Barton. Nine, so a million less.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Yes.
Mr. Barton. And what is it on diesel?
Mr. Whitfield. Use your mic.
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am sorry. Right, so this year, gasoline
about 9.3 million barrels a day.
Mr. Barton. And on diesel it is----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Diesel I am not quite sure.
Mr. Barton. But is it safe to say it is less than you
estimated?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I think it may be a little bit less.
Mr. Barton. OK.
Mr. Gruenspecht. On the gasoline it has mostly to do,
frankly, so the same legislation that enacted the RFS also
enacted fuel economy standards, and this AEO 2007 line, again
these reference cases use current laws and regulations.
Mr. Barton. Well, the point I am trying to make is the
estimates that were used when we passed the expanded RFS in
2007 were gasoline volumes and diesel volumes going up, and in
fact they are not. But the volume of ethanol that is required
to be used is growing substantially. Is that not true?
So we have created a situation, I mean, if you give the
best of intentions to the Congress 9 years ago, those estimates
that the volumes were based on haven't happened.
Mr. Gruenspecht. I would agree with that.
Mr. Barton. Well, you have to because that is a fact. I
mean----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Right. Well, on the other hand, I mean, so
far be it from me to criticize Congress, but in the very same
piece of legislation----
Mr. Barton. You are the only person in America that doesn't
if you don't, so----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, maybe I will cross over to the other
side then and join the majority. Not the majority here.
But actually, remember, in the same piece of legislation,
you raised the fuel economy standards. So the notion of using
that projection and saying that is what we thought, I realize
that different groups probably were working on the RFS
provision----
Mr. Barton. Well, my point, it would be one thing if we had
projections from 9 or 10 years ago that have happened so that
all these volume increases could be absorbed because gasoline
usage has increased, but that is not happening.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Right. I would agree with that.
Mr. Barton. And it is not expected to happen.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Right. And it is something, I agree, it is
a factor, but the notion of 36 billion gallons of renewable
fuels, you know that kind of----
Mr. Barton. It is fantasy, and my word fantasy. That is
fantasy.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, I am not going to say that.
Mr. Barton. I know. You can't say it but I can. So I am
going to ask the EPA representative now. How long does EPA keep
insisting that you can make the law work? At what point in time
do you agree with the majority of this panel that as currently
written it is simply not workable?
Ms. McCabe. Congressman, it is our job to implement the
laws that you all have----
Mr. Barton. I didn't ask you what your job was. I am asking
you for a policy statement. You are the highest ranking EPA
official here.
Ms. McCabe. Yes. Well, it is really not up to me to speak
to the legislation itself or any changes that Congress may be
thinking about, although we are happy to work with you on it.
Mr. Barton. Let me ask you a different question. I am not
going to let you stall me for the next 40 seconds. What would
happen if we just repealed the RFS, just repealed it?
Ms. McCabe. Well, the----
Mr. Barton. Would we still use ethanol?
Ms. McCabe. Oh, yes.
Mr. Barton. Wouldn't we still use a lot of ethanol?
Ms. McCabe. There would be ethanol put into the gasoline,
to E10 gasoline. There is a lot of investment already in higher
blends of E10, or ethanol. I don't think I am in a position to
speak to what might happen to that if the law were repealed
though.
Mr. Barton. But there would still--the ethanol market
wouldn't disappear if we repealed the RFS?
Ms. McCabe. I don't expect that it would.
Mr. Barton. The market would require that we use ethanol.
Ms. McCabe. As Howard mentioned, there are a number of
values that ethanol adds to the system.
Mr. Barton. I agree. Unfortunately my time is expired, Mr.
Chairman.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time we will recognize the gentleman from Vermont, Mr. Welch,
for 5 minutes.
Mr. Welch. Thank you very much. I want to ask Administrator
McCabe a few questions, and by the way Mr. Barton, it is our
job to pass a law and yours to implement it. Thank you for
understanding that. But it is your job to do the reports that
Congress has asked for. And there was an EPA triennial report
to Congress in 2011, and in that report it indicated that the
most plausible land use changes and production practices from
the ethanol mandate will likely be neutral or slightly
negative. It also concluded that the majority of negative
impacts of the RFS to date have been associated with corn
ethanol. That report now is supposed to be done, updated, and
it is really 5 years overdue and there has been no indication
from EPA as to when Congress can expect to receive it. So my
question is when does the EPA plan to send the next Triennial
Report on the environmental impacts of RFS to Congress as
required by law?
Ms. McCabe. Thank you, Congressman. We don't like missing
deadlines and we realize that there are deadlines in the
statute that we have not made. I will tell you that our
emphasis over the last several years has been on doing the
annual volume standards which is what we felt the absolute
priority in order to keep the program going.
Mr. Welch. So when do you think we might get that?
Ms. McCabe. I don't have a date to give you. We are always
looking at this information. We work with our Office of
Research and Development on it.
Mr. Welch. All right, I will go on to the next question. It
is helpful for us to have that because this data is really
important in assessing whether the hopes and aspirations of the
Congress about the original law are actually working or they
are not. A second area of concern is the use of land. The
USDA's Farm Service Agency data shows that about 400,000 acres
of previously uncultivated land was converted to cropland just
between 2011 and 2012. And a University of Wisconsin-Madison
study found that biofuel crops expanded onto seven million
acres of new land between '08 and 2012, including millions of
acres of native grasslands. How many acres of native grasslands
and wetlands have been torn up or drained, respectively, since
the RFS was passed in 2007, and does this land use change total
more than a de minimis amount of acres that the EPA predicted
in the 2010 RFS2 rule?
Ms. McCabe. I don't have the exact numbers with me,
Congressman, although we will be glad to provide them and
follow up. But I will say that in each annual volume rule we
look at the net use of land and whether in a net sense it has
grown or gone down.
Mr. Whitfield. Yes, and that is very much in dispute as a
methodology because there is an immense loss of wildlife
habitat where because of the incentives that Congress has
passed, not just our RFS but we used to have the tax credit and
we used to have the tariff barrier, it really promoted the
over-cultivation of land. Then finally, there is a hope, there
was a hope that the greenhouse gas emissions would be reduced
by using ethanol, and it has turned out that most of the
evidence indicates that is not the case. The corn ethanol's net
emissions over 30 years are expected to be about 28 percent
higher than emissions that would result from the use of
gasoline over that same period. And in 2011, the National
Academy of Sciences' study on RFS also questioned the
greenhouse gas emission reduction potential of corn ethanol.
Given that the majority of RFS gallons produced to date have
been corn ethanol, what has the overall impact of the RFS been
on the climate?
Ms. McCabe. Well, again we would be glad to follow up with
more specifics, but I will say that the statute focuses on
developing these advanced biofuels and moving those into a
larger portion----
Mr. Whitfield. Right. This gets us back to Mr. Barton's
question. I mean, we have to answer it. We created the policy
so we have to change it. But what is extremely helpful to us is
to get real-time information about the climate impacts, the
habitat impacts, the greenhouse gas emissions, so I thank you
for your appearance here and I yield back the balance of my
time.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time I
recognize the gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Latta, for 5 minutes.
Mr. Latta. Well, thanks, Mr. Chairman, for the hearing
today and for our first and second panel of witnesses for being
with us today. We appreciate your testimony and the information
you are giving us today. Administrator, if I could ask you the
first question, on your second page of your testimony you speak
of the waiver authority in setting recent standards and the
proposed standard. Would you elaborate on the waiver authority
and how EPA uses this authority on the waiver?
Ms. McCabe. Sure, I would be happy to. The statute provides
two types of waiver authority: the cellulosic waiver and the
general waiver. When we project the amount of cellulosic fuel
that we think will be available in the year that we are setting
the standard for, if it is below the statutorily prescribed
amount then we are to lower it. And we have the ability to then
lower the amounts of advanced and total fuel by the same
amount. We are not required to, but we can. That is the
cellulosic waiver authority. The general waiver authority,
Congress provided that under two circumstances can we waive
down or lower the statutory volumes on advanced and total, and
one of those is when we find that there is an inadequate
domestic supply. And so we have proposed in this rule, as we
did in the rule we did last year, to use both of those waiver
authorities to set expected standards that are lower than what
the statute would require.
Mr. Welch. Thank you.
Mr. Gruenspecht, in your testimony on your point 6, and I
know we have had some discussion already about this, you
discussed the calculations for net imports for overall U.S.
petroleum consumption and EIA's determination of what has led
to the decline. Would you comment on this data and the
conclusions again that you have come up with on that?
Mr. Whitfield. Is your microphone on?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I expected Ms. McCabe to get most of the
questions, so--U.S. crude oil production has risen rather
dramatically, as I am sure other hearings here have explored,
from about five million barrels a day to over nine million
barrels a day and then have since fallen a bit with the lower
oil prices. And that was clearly a major contributor.
The other major contributor to reduced dependence, on net
dependence on oil imports, were greater fuel economy, which
many people, I think, would view as a very positive thing.
There have been some economic problems in the country that
people might not view as a very positive thing, but those
certainly have also affected fuel consumption. And then I think
the increased use of biofuels has also had some contribution.
But the question is how much have biofuels increased
because of the RFS? As much of the conversation has pointed
out, there are a lot of biofuels that would be used with or
without the RFS, a lot of ethanol. So in looking at how much
biofuels have increased because of the RFS, if you would
convert back those gallons into million barrels per day that is
actually sort of a much smaller number than the increase in
crude oil production, or I think the reduction in consumption
due to greater fuel efficiency. I think that is what the
testimony says.
Mr. Latta. Well, let me ask you. Also in your testimony,
because you also mentioned point 5, you also discussed the
projected decline in the motor gasoline use and you say that it
is not a cause of past or projected shortfalls. Could you
explain that?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Sure. That really goes back to Mr.
Barton's----
Mr. Latta. Mr. Barton's question, right.
Mr. Gruenspecht [continuing]. Question. So sure, remember
that the program calls for getting to 36 billion gallons by
2022. And yes, clearly you could, if fuel consumption was
somewhat higher as in those 2007 projections, you could put
more ethanol into E10 with more gasoline consumption, but that
would get you nowhere near the 36 billion gallons. So clearly
the statute was not envisioning getting to 36 billion gallons
based on E10 type blending into the gasoline pool. The statute
was envisioning something completely beyond that in terms of
transformation of the fuel system and that has very little to
do with exactly whether we are consuming ten million barrels a
day of gasoline or 9.3. And that is what I think that statement
meant.
Yes, it has had an effect. But no, it is not that
everything would be great with this program in terms of meeting
the legislative targets if those AEO 2007 demand projections
for gasoline had been realized.
Mr. Latta. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, my time is expired and
I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time I
will recognize the gentleman from Iowa, Mr. Loebsack, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Loebsack. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you again for
having this hearing. I think that while we debate, this whole
RFS issue, it is really important that we get the facts on the
table, and that is hopefully what we are doing today. No matter
which side of the issue you are on, I just think that often in
Congress we have anything but a fact-based discussion. So this
is important for you folks to be here and I do appreciate both
sides of the issue and the questions that are being asked.
It is clear, Madam Administrator, that you are asking
farmers and our rural communities, I think, to shoulder the
consequences of the so-called blend wall. I think it is also
clear that there are other logical and common sense ways around
the blend wall.
If the concern of the blend wall is the price of RINs, for
example, it seems economical to think that if oil companies
were indeed concerned about RIN prices they would invest in
more biofuel infrastructure to keep RIN prices down.
Can you tell me what is being done by the EPA to look into
the big oil companies' control of the market and lack of choice
for consumers and why these aren't being addressed as part of
the blend wall concern?
Ms. McCabe. Well, our process of setting the annual RVO
requirement each year, is all about setting that expectation
for the producers because they are the obligated parties. And
the RIN mechanism and the RIN prices you have identified is a
mechanism to create incentives for the refiners to actually
make sure that there is more alternative fuel in the system.
There are also programs such as the ones at USDA that help
provide encouragement and funding to increase infrastructure
and investment and those that will continue to make this more
attractive in the market. And as you say, it is about consumers
and about choice, and if people want the fuel it will be there
for them. The RIN system provides that extra incentive and the
requirement, the obligation, does as well.
Mr. Loebsack. OK. I have a question about in the proposed
rule where you state, and I quote, to date we have seen no
compelling evidence that the nationwide average ethanol
concentration in gasoline cannot exceed ten percent, unquote.
So with that statement in mind, why do you feel the need to
roll back this policy based on demand and the so-called blend
wall when you readily admit that we as a nation can go beyond
ten percent ethanol in the fuel supply?
Ms. McCabe. Well, we haven't rolled back the requirement at
all, and in fact our proposed rule would require ethanol above
ten percent in the system. I think it is about 10.4 percent.
And so that is exactly what we do in considering the waiver
where the statutory volumes would go significantly beyond that
ten percent.
Our evaluation is that those are not realistic or feasible,
our job then as we see it is to set a volume that is as close
to that statutory volume as we think is appropriate. And this
proposal will require more ethanol or more renewable fuel. It
will be served by whatever fuel is competitive and makes it
into the system. But it accommodates certainly more ethanol
than ten percent.
Mr. Loebsack. Well, the third thing I want to address is,
it was brought up by Mr. Welch--and by the way, I think it is a
good thing that Democrats disagree with Democrats and
Republicans disagree with Republicans and not just Democrats
and Republicans disagreeing. We don't hear too much about that
out there in the rest of the country.
But at any rate, the intent of the RFS was to help the U.S.
become more energy independent and secure while also reducing
greenhouse gas emissions. And I take Mr. Welch's point about
sort of evaluating that on the part of the EPA. Each gallon of
renewable fuel taken away can only currently be replaced by a
gallon of gasoline and it doesn't seem to help address our
climate concerns and has a potential to greatly reduce
investments in the next generation of biofuels which promise
even more greenhouse emissions, I would argue, greenhouse gas
reductions, excuse me.
Can you tell me how the potential RVOs contribute to the
EPA and Administration's goal of greenhouse gas reduction now
and into the future and how we might be able to measure that to
address Mr. Welch's question as well?
Ms. McCabe. Well, Congressman, I think it was you that said
earlier that every gallon of renewable fuel that replaces a
gallon of petroleum is bringing the benefits of that fuel. And
especially with advanced biofuels, the greenhouse gas
advantages of that are considerable.
I will also say in answer to your question that, as I have
said already, this program has a long trajectory and we are
still in the early days in terms of the system is really
gearing up to produce the kinds of fuels that Congress was
looking for. So I think that people will agree that as this
continues to be implemented people will be able to see more and
more actual impact. But even today when you use those renewable
fuels you are replacing petroleum and moving toward that goal
that Congress set.
Mr. Loebsack. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time I recognize the gentleman from Pennsylvania, Mr. Pitts.
OK. At this time we will recognize the gentleman from West
Virginia, Mr. McKinley.
Mr. McKinley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Two quick questions
if I could, Ms. McCabe, and again welcome back. It is my
understanding that you can't blend ethanol with diesel fuel and
the market will not accept more than two to five percent of the
biodiesel blend in diesel; is that correct?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I am not an expert on this issue. I would
be glad to get you specific answers. But there is a blend
concept relative to diesel as there is----
Mr. McKinley. Under biodiesel we might be able to do that
two to five percent, but the EPA imposes the same proportional
RIN obligation on all refiners, even some that produce
significantly more diesel than gasoline. From what I
understand, these diesel-rich refiners can't separate enough
RINs to meet their obligation and so they are forced to buy
RINs to offset that. And one in my district it is going to cost
him millions of dollars and they are just a small boutique-type
refinery that is being hurt with this.
So I am curious, can't we develop or would you be willing
to develop a refiner's obligation for corn at one level, excuse
me, ethanol on one for gas and a separate one for diesel fuel?
Would that not make sense that we separate the two rather than
treat them as equal because they are not? Would that make any
sense to you?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I don't think that is the way that the
statute was set up, and through the way the statute was set up
and then the rules that EPA set up--and I wasn't there at that
time so I wasn't personally involved, but the notion that the
RIN market as a big open and flexible and liquid market was the
best tool for the refiners to be able to meet their obligations
under----
Mr. McKinley. OK. But would it make sense to have two
separate obligations, one for diesel and one for gasoline?
Ms. McCabe. We would be glad to talk with you about that
further.
Mr. McKinley. Let us pursue that a little bit because I
think we have a unique situation with a small refinery that is
being penalized because they are producing far more diesel than
gasoline but yet they have this problem.
Let me go to another question. Does the EPA assume that
their RIN bank will increase or decrease once the obligated
parties begin reporting their RIN compliance for 2014, 2015,
and 2016? Do you think it is going to increase or decrease?
Ms. McCabe. I don't know that I have an opinion right now.
We watch these numbers on an ongoing basis and I think the RIN
bank has been relatively stable. You know, people can, they
have these credits, they can use them the next year and so they
roll over.
Mr. McKinley. OK. But if perhaps the RIN bank is depleted,
if it is depleted which apparently that is what a lot of
refiners are expecting that to happen on it, would the EPA
consider adjusting their proposal to account for the shortage
of RINs in the market?
Ms. McCabe. Well, we think that the RIN bank is a really
important feature of the program because it provides that
cushion for manufacturers and they accumulate RINs in a RIN
bank to provide them with that kind of security. So in the
proposal that we put out, we designed it in a way that did not
have an expectation that the RIN bank would be used to satisfy
these obligations.
Mr. McKinley. OK. I yield back the balance of my time. I
hope that maybe we can sit down and talk about how we might be
able to treat the small refinery different than someone else.
Thank you very much. I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from New York, Mr. Tonko, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Tonko. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Ms. McCabe, what are the greenhouse gas emission benefits
of advanced biofuels, and just how much cleaner are they
required to be?
Ms. McCabe. Per Congress, advanced biofuels have to be 50
percent cleaner and cellulosic have to be 60 percent cleaner.
Mr. Tonko. And can you give your perspective on the state
of the advanced biofuels industry in terms of perhaps domestic
production how much has been added, and into the future what is
the expected growth rate in the coming years?
Ms. McCabe. Yes. That is the question, Congressman, so we
stay in very close touch with the domestic industry. There is
the biodiesel industry, which has had a very optimistic and
good growth and continues to and has invested and is producing
increasing amounts of volume.
On the cellulosic side that has been a little bit harder
for those firms to get going. There are, however, a handful of
firms in the country that are now starting to produce actual
volumes and generate RINs. That is very encouraging. It is
still at a pretty small level and certainly way below what
Congress would have expected by now or was hoping for by now.
But we see it on an upward trend. That is why it has been our
focus to get these volume standards back on track, get them out
on time so that there is more certainty in the market for those
to develop.
We have done some, working on some other things, improved
our pathway approval process which is ways for people to come
in with new production processes to get those approved to be
able to generate RINs. We are now processing those very, very
quickly so that those can move through and we have I would say
a study stream of those. So I think it is on the upturn for
sure.
Mr. Tonko. And you certainly see some of those barriers
being lowered now from----
Ms. McCabe. I think with certainty in the market, with
greater consumer acceptance and desire for a variety of fuels
that we will see those penetrating more.
Mr. Tonko. Thank you. And Mr. Gruenspecht, I believe for
the first time since the 1970s there are higher levels of
carbon dioxide emissions from the transportation sector than
from the electricity generation sector. Is that accurate?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I think that may be coming to be the case
mostly because of the drop in the electricity sector carbon
dioxide emissions.
Mr. Tonko. And what factors, are there factors that would
enable the transportation numbers to overcome the electricity
numbers?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am not sure I understand the question,
sir.
Mr. Tonko. Well, if there is now this overwhelming or this
bypassing of the electricity carbon emission numbers by the
transportation sector, how would you explain that phenomenon
from having happened?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, again, primarily driven by the drop
in the electricity sector with less coal fire generation, more
renewable generation, more natural gas generation which is much
lower in carbon emissions than coal-based generation.
On the transportation side, I think we have significant
fuel economy standards that are being phased in over, you know,
through for light duty vehicles through 2025. In the present
environment right now, I think we have rising gasoline
consumption. There is interesting questions as to why that is
the case, so there may be obviously lower gasoline prices, a
lot of job creations in recent years, so when people get jobs
they drive to work often. So lower gasoline prices, drive to
work more, and also the vehicles that people are buying are
changing.
So yes, present each year the fuel economy standards are
getting tougher, but remember there are separate ones for
depending on the footprints of the vehicles. So if the mix
between larger and smaller light duty vehicles, let's say, what
are called light trucks and cars, if the balance is shifting
more toward light trucks you will find even with the standards
getting tougher for each of them maybe the fuel economy of new
vehicles, let's say over the last couple of years, has actually
not decreased.
Of course those new vehicles only get added to the fleet
stock of vehicles, but I think the rate of change in fleet fuel
economy has not declined as much because of some of these
changes as some people might have thought.
Mr. Tonko. OK. Well, thank you for that. And with that Mr.
Chair, I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Kansas, Mr. Pompeo, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Pompeo. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. McCabe, in your opening testimony you said we believe
these proposed volumes are achievable. You listed a series of
volumes for that. Do you really think they are all achievable?
Do you think that without RINs do you think those volumes will
be reached?
Ms. McCabe. The ones that we have proposed?
Mr. Pompeo. Yes.
Ms. McCabe. We do think that those are reasonably
achievable.
Mr. Pompeo. Great. We will come back in a year and see how
you score against that. Your track record is pretty poor in
achieving that whether those proposals have exceeded, so this
would be a first. That would be great. I hope you are right.
Now let me just keep going.
Ms. McCabe. All right.
Mr. Pompeo. We talked about the obligated party with Mr.
Olson for a moment. You are convinced you have the authority
without statutory change to change the obligated party. That
is, it is an administrative task. You have the authority if he
has the authority to change who the obligated party is. Is that
correct?
Ms. McCabe. I believe that is right. We did it by
regulation to begin with.
Mr. Pompeo. I agree. And in 2010 when RFS2 came out, you
said that if the RIN market went--I want to summarize because
it is long. If there were problems in the RIN market you would
revisit this, and you said now in light of the petitions you
have received you are in fact revisiting who the appropriate
obligated party might be.
Ms. McCabe. We are looking at those issues, yes.
Mr. Pompeo. But you are not willing to give us any timeline
for when you might tell us what it is, your ultimate judgment
comes to be?
Ms. McCabe. I don't have a timeline right now.
Mr. Pompeo. Great, thank you. You said where at the
beginning of the program a little bit earlier it ends in 2022
in one sense. That is, the requirements end. The program,
however, continues forever. Tell me what restrictions there are
on what volume levels will be set by the EPA after 2022.
Ms. McCabe. This is what I understand from the statute. The
statutory volumes end in 2022 as you said, the EPA is then
directed to set those thereafter. We are to do it based on our
review of the implementation of the program on the list of
criteria considerations that Congress put in. And I believe
there are two minimum expectations, one relates to biodiesel
and one relates to advanced and that we are to have minimum
volumes at least as great as the last ones we set.
Mr. Pompeo. For those two items?
Ms. McCabe. Yes, I believe that is right.
Mr. Pompeo. I think that is right as well. So it is the
case that you could completely eliminate the corn based
requirement. That would be within your statutory authority to
completely eliminate the corn-based requirement post-2022
volumes that are set forth in the statute.
Ms. McCabe. I haven't looked at that question explicitly,
but I don't believe there is an expectation in the statute
itself with respect to what is not advanced. There is no corn-
based or conventional mandate in the statute. It is what fills
up the space between advanced and total.
Mr. Pompeo. I think that is right. The statute specifically
lists environmental impact as one of the criteria that you
should use including climate change as criteria for setting
those volumes. Do you think that corn-based ethanol has a
negative environmental impact?
Ms. McCabe. I think that this is a challenging question
with many considerations, and I think in----
Mr. Pompeo. But what do you think? You have been looking at
this for an awfully long time.
Ms. McCabe. So in some respects there are greenhouse gas
benefits. A lot of it depends on the feedstock and the
particular lifecycle elements of any particular feedstock
including corn. There are some advanced fuels that can be made
with corn materials as well as conventional corn ethanol.
Corn ethanol has differing impacts on other environmental
features such as air quality. In some cases it reduces air
pollution, in other cases it may increase air emissions. So it
is a very mixed picture.
Mr. Pompeo. The Administration entered into what they
commonly called the Paris Agreement. Assuming that the United
States is still party to the Paris Agreement in 2022, would the
EPA consider that as a factor as it is evaluating America's
attempt to comply with its commitments under the Paris
Agreement? Would the EPA consider that as it is deciding what
the appropriate level should be from 2022 and beyond?
Ms. McCabe. I can't speak to what the EPA might do in 2022.
I think its first priority would be to implement the statute.
Mr. Pompeo. Right. But I am asking would it be appropriate
to consider an agreement, a climate change agreement that the
Administration entered into as a criteria as it is evaluating
whether or not its levels that it sets post-2022 would comply
with the statute?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I think that the RFS and other programs
that are climate focused provide the support for the United
States' commitment internationally, not the other way around.
But I can't speak for a future EPA.
Mr. Pompeo. Do you believe you would have in 2023 the
statutory authority to restructure the RFS to mirror the
California Low Carbon Fuel Standard Program? Could you do that,
would have the authority to do that?
Ms. McCabe. I don't know, Congressman, but would be happy
to follow up with conversation on that point.
Mr. Pompeo. Thank you. I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. Griffith, for
5 minutes.
Mr. Griffith. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I do
appreciate that. Thank you all for being here today.
I am trying to sort some of these things out. I am
concerned about the comments about the wildlife habitat that
has been destroyed as a part of this that Mr. Welch brought up
earlier. And I thought it was really nice that one of my
colleagues mentioned that sometimes Republicans don't agree
with Republicans and the Democrats don't agree with Democrats
and the issues get a little blurred particularly in this area.
But I am concerned about that.
I am also concerned, Mr. Gruenspecht, you indicated in your
testimony that the greenhouse gas standards for heavy duty
trucks might impact RFS. Could you explain a little bit more on
that?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, the reason I mentioned that in the
testimony or the reason that was included, we have heard a lot
about what was expected, in 2007. And again, in 2007, there was
an increase in more stringent fuel economy standards for light
duty vehicles which wasn't reflected in that outlook that
apparently people relied on even though they were changing the
fuel economy standards.
So all I am saying here is, we have present outlooks and
they are based on current laws and regulations. Right now those
Phase 2, so-called Phase 2 standards are not part of that
although we are going to do a side case that looks at the
proposed Phase 2 standards because they have already been
proposed.
But in that projection there would be significantly less
diesel consumption than in the baseline projection, so we are
not trying to guess what either the people in Congress are
going to do or the people in the Administration are going to
do. Since we know there is a specific proposal we feel like we
can put that out there.
But I guess I put that in the testimony not as a caution
but just so if someone says, gee, we looked at your outlook and
it said there would be this much diesel, it is very dependent
on policy. Policy matters a lot.
Mr. Griffith. And it is clear that you are trying to be
very careful in your projections and so forth, but you did
indicate that if the greenhouse gas standards for heavy duty
trucks are finalized that would significantly reduce projected
diesel fuel use----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Exactly.
Mr. Griffith [continuing]. And these things are going on,
the lower cost of gasoline has had an impact and et cetera as
you have mentioned previously in your testimony.
And then it makes me wonder, Ms. McCabe, when you respond
to Mr. Pompeo that you are confident that all these goals can
be met, how can you be so confident when you have got all these
different variable factors out there which you have already
established in the past that you weren't able to meet all those
goals?
Ms. McCabe. Yes, there is a really important factor to
mention here. Congress set absolute numbers in the statute, but
then the way the obligation is actually given to the industry
is through a percent. So because there are absolute numbers in
the statute we need to be guided by absolute numbers.
But then the expectation is not that any given producer
will produce x number of exact gallons based on our absolute
number but rather on the percentage, so we translate that to a
percentage. So that means if we are wrong on we predict more
gasoline use than actually happens or less gasoline use than
actually happens, the refiner's obligation it will take that
into account because it is a percent obligation.
Mr. Griffith. Well, I appreciate that. I will ask you to
give me information later because I don't expect you to have
this, although some of the answers I thought the questions that
were asked I thought you might have had answers in preparation
for this hearing.
But biodiesel that comes from grease as opposed to coming
from plant material, if you can get me whatever it is you all
are working on in that regard and how you might be increasing
that or what proposals you may be making behind the scenes to
increase the amount that is made from waste grease fats. I know
there is some research out there and if Singapore is looking at
it and other folks are looking at it to try to take our love of
hamburgers and turn it into a renewable fuel source. So just
give me that information later if you would.
My time is running out and so I would also ask
Administrator Gruenspecht, according to the U.S. Department of
Energy vehicles will typically go three to four percent fewer
miles per gallon on E10, four to five percent fewer on E15 than
on a hundred percent gasoline. And according to the Institute
of Energy Research, Americans have paid about 10 billion in
additional cost for the privilege of having ethanol blended
into their gasoline.
Can you verify this information, and if it is correct why
should Virginians in my region of the state continue to be
forced to foot the bill in order to prop up the ethanol
industry?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I think the first set of information is
probably correct, the lower energy content of ethanol. I am not
sure the second set of information about how much it has cost
is really open to a lot of interpretation. And the reason is,
as many of the members have said, ethanol contributes octane
which is very important to make gasoline good and that we would
be, many people I guess, Administrator McCabe, myself, some of
the members believe that we would be using a lot of ethanol in
gasoline even if there were no RFS requirement.
So again I am not sure how that 10 billion figure was
calculated, but if it is providing other necessary parts of
gasoline I don't know that you would necessarily call that a
cost. So the first part yes, I think.
Mr. Griffith. All right, I appreciate that and I yield
back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time the chair recognizes the gentleman from Illinois, Mr.
Kinzinger, for 5 minutes.
Mr. Kinzinger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And before I begin
my questions I am going to ask unanimous consent to insert into
the record a study that shows, showing the impact of the EPA's
lack of certainty on the biofuels industry titled, ``Estimating
Another Year of Chilled Investment in Advanced Biofuels Due to
RFS Uncertainty.''
Mr. Whitfield. Without objection.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. Kinzinger. To the administrator, thank you for your
service and thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. I
just have a couple of questions. I am curious how the EPA
determined the biodiesel targets for 2017 and the proposed
targets for 2018. It is my understanding that these targets
will both be below the amount of biodiesel EPA estimates will
be produced this year. Can you elaborate on how they were
determined?
Ms. McCabe. Sure, happy to do that and to follow up if I am
not detailed enough for you. So the statute establishes an
amount for biodiesel through 2012, gets up to one billion
gallons and then it is up to the EPA to determine an amount
after that. So what we do with biodiesel is what we do with all
of the fuel categories which is we get as much information as
we can about what the expectations are with respect to the
industry.
But there is a difference with biodiesel because biodiesel
is one of a number of advanced fuels. It fits into that
advanced category and we have to set a separate amount,
expected amount for the advanced category. And one of the
questions is how much of that advanced category should
biodiesel basically get a guarantee on? And we believe that it
is important to have competition and choice and opportunity for
a variety of fuels to compete.
So we consider very carefully how much biodiesel can
contribute because it is very important, right, but also
leaving room for other fuels to compete. Now it is not a limit
on how much biodiesel can be produced nor sold, and depending
on what other fuels are out there and how they are priced it
can be very competitive. But in fact it has provided a
substantial amount of our advanced biofuel.
So that is the process we go through. We look at the
information, but then we have this other consideration to make
sure that other fuels have an opportunity to compete.
Mr. Kinzinger. OK. And I am sure you appreciate the amount
of planning that goes into this infrastructure, purchases by
obligated parties or preparation made by the ag community which
comes along with complying with the annual volumes. I am glad
the EPA is working to get back on schedule with the 2017 rule
deadlines.
What are you as an agency doing to ensure that you will
remain on schedule for 2017 and beyond?
Ms. McCabe. Yes. I think we have done a good job of getting
ourselves back on track. The big issue was approaching the
blend wall, the use of the general waiver. We have now used it.
We have proposed to use it again. It is being litigated as has
been mentioned, so presumably will get some direction from a
court at some point.
So some of those very difficult issues are behind us now
and so we are able to do our routine work, just make sure that
we are on schedule. We got this proposal out absolutely on time
to get a final out by November and there is no reason we
shouldn't make that.
Mr. Kinzinger. So your feeling is that basically from here
on out we are probably going to be on track better with timing?
Ms. McCabe. Well, that is my belief. I won't speak for
future EPA leadership, but I feel confident that the program
can do it.
Mr. Kinzinger. OK, thank you. And just in closing to just
remind people because there is obviously a lot of talk and it
is important, and I have a lot of, a hugely agricultural
district and I remember back in the '90s there was a lot of
talk about whether the family farmer would be able to survive.
And is this just going to become in essence major corporations
taking over these farms to do it?
And I think ethanol has been a big part of the survival of
the family farmer and obviously very important going forward,
especially when we see corn prices today and knowing that the
importance of producing food not just for ourselves but for
frankly the world and the importance of it. So again, thank you
for your service and thank you both for being here, and I will
happily yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas, Mr. Flores, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Flores. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the witnesses
for joining us today.
Mr. Gruenspecht, do you believe that the market can absorb
14 \1/2\ billion gallons of renewable fuels in the 2016 RVO? I
am talking gasoline only for all of my conversation.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Yes, I am an economist and I tend to
believe in markets. And I think that there are certainly
conditions I could imagine that the market can absorb that.
Mr. Flores. OK.
Mr. Gruenspecht. I don't know what the RIN prices would be.
At some point, the higher ethanol blends get very attractive to
the people who can use them, so I would not rule out anything.
Mr. Flores. OK. How about the 14.8 billion gallons for the
2017 RVO?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Again it is a market-based issue.
Mr. Flores. OK, but it could generate a higher RIN cost
which would generate higher gasoline costs?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, again the figuring out--yes, it
could generate higher RIN costs. Exactly who bears those costs
is a very complex----
Mr. Flores. OK. So I guess that leads to the broader
question. What happens to the market if either the 2007 statute
and/or the EPA continue to push higher and higher volumes of
ethanol into a fuel market, a gasoline market where volumes
have flattened and are actually you are predicting to decline?
What happens to the market?
Mr. Gruenspecht. If I knew the answer to that question I
guess I wouldn't be a government official.
Mr. Flores. There you go.
Mr. Gruenspecht. But seriously, there are actually, I did
try in the written testimony, although I didn't mention it in
the oral, there are options, higher volume blends which has all
kinds of issues related to infrastructure that I actually feel
like the members here are extremely well informed on this
issue, probably better informed than I am to be the truth.
But the opportunity for something like biobutanol, say,
which potentially could be blended at a high--there is no rule
that says that the biofuel has to be ethanol and biodiesel.
There are processes to create biobutanol using the same
feedstocks, so there are a lot of different options. I am not
going to say it is a cinch. I am not going to say it is, but
if----
Mr. Flores. But it could cause market disruption, do you
think?
Mr. Gruenspecht. It would definitely change things.
Mr. Flores. Exactly.
Mr. Gruenspecht. It might change the blendstocks that have
to be used in conjunction.
Mr. Flores. Let me move on though, we have got a lot of
ground to cover in a short period of time.
Ms. McCabe, you and I both understand the EPA has got some
waiver authority to adjust the volumes, also I think you have
essentially admitted that the mandated volumes don't match the
trends in consumer fuel demand. And so I believe that means
that they are technically and commercially unachievable and I
think that is what the 2017 proposal or the rulemaking by the
EPA essentially says is that the statutes can't be achieved so
we the EPA are going to do the best we can in an uncomfortable
situation.
So that leads me to the next question. Congress said
volumes. Would it be easier for you if Congress had just said
we set percentages of renewable fuels that have to be blended
based on actual gasoline demand? Wouldn't that have been a
better solution?
Ms. McCabe. Well, as you might expect I am not going to
opine on what Congress, whether one thing or another would have
been better for Congress to do.
Mr. Flores. But you have to implement these things. Would
it have been easier for you to implement if you had a
percentage mandate instead of a volumetric mandate?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I think we would, Congressman, go through
much of the same inquiry to make sure that whether it is
expressed as a percentage to begin with or whether it is an
actual volume that then is translated to a percentage, we would
still be inquiring into where the industry is going and what is
feasible and realistic. So, and I think we would be doing a lot
of the same work.
Mr. Flores. OK. Wouldn't though, let's put it this way.
Right now every year, everybody involved in the gasoline market
if you will, whether it is a consumer, a refiner, a corn
grower, an advanced ethanol company, goes through an extreme
amount of uncertainty because they just don't know what the EPA
is going to do, because they know there is a statute out there
that is volumetrically driven that cannot be achieved through
the current technology and current market conditions.
So wouldn't it be better and more stable for the market if
there was an easily understood percentage mandate instead of a
volumetric mandate?
Ms. McCabe. Well, I think uncertainty has been a real
concern of people and that is why it is so important for us to
get our rules out on time. But even if we get them out on time
it is an annual process, right. So people have those concerns.
Mr. Flores. Let me say this. I think the market would
respond better just knowing, OK, expected gasoline demand is x
and the percentage is y and therefore the outcome that the
market has to be driven toward is z. That is a lot simpler.
There is a lot more stability and a lot more transparency to
the market. Thank you. I have overstayed my welcome. I yield
back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Mississippi, Mr. Harper,
for 5 minutes.
Mr. Harper. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. McCabe, at a Senate hearing earlier this year you
indicated that the EPA in consultation with the DOE has
continued to grant small refinery hardship waivers. For those
that were denied was the denial based on their profitability,
and has DOE and EPA implemented a new hardship standard by
which you are denying hardship relief to refineries that remain
profitable even if they have a disproportionate regulatory
burden by producing more diesel than the national average and
lower refining margins?
Ms. McCabe. We do continue to look at hardship waivers and
we have a pretty standard number of them every year and we
coordinate closely with the DOE. We worked with the DOE and the
DOE developed an evaluative process that they use to then give
us a recommendation and they used a couple of different
factors. As you know, DOE has recently made some adjustments in
their process based on some recommendation language that they
got through legislation directed to them. We continue to
coordinate with the DOE, but we however feel that our job is to
implement the statute and to exercise our hardship waiver
authority in conjunction with the statute. So we take DOE's
input but we have not made changes in our process that are
consistent with the DOE changes that they have made in response
to direction that they got.
Mr. Harper. Well, I am not sure I really got an answer to
my question. Is profitability a factor in approving or denying
a hardship petition?
Ms. McCabe. Yes, it is. There are a number of economic
factors. It is one of a number of factors.
Mr. Harper. So their profitability is a factor. So you
could have two entities doing the same amount of work but one
is not profitable, the other one is for whatever reason it is,
and the hardship waiver may be granted to the refinery that is
financially not as viable or as profitable, and the one that
may be doing it right and more profitable is going to get
denied under the same set of circumstances.
Ms. McCabe. These are really complicated decisions,
Congressman, and they are----
Mr. Harper. Well, it is pretty complicated when you are
being punished for trying to do it right and denied this in
this regard.
Ms. McCabe. Well, Congressman, when somebody comes and asks
for an exemption that means that they are asking to not be
expected to do what the rest of the industry is asked to do.
And so we look at these very, very carefully, because it
matters greatly to the person coming to us but it also matters
greatly to everybody else that has that burden. And that is why
we think that the range of factors we have established are
appropriate ones.
Mr. Harper. And I know you have mentioned it and I would
maybe not agree with you that they are appropriate and maybe
need to be looked at closer, and you have mentioned the
language included in the Omnibus Appropriations bill last year
restating congressional intent regarding small refiner
hardship. Can you please tell me how the EPA intends to apply
to small refiner hardship petitions going forward?
Ms. McCabe. That language was directed towards DOE's
process and how they would make their recommendations to the
EPA. And so they are doing that and we are paying attention to
DOE's recommendations as we always do and to the analysis that
goes into their ultimate recommendations. We are making our
decisions based on our understanding of what our statutory
obligations are.
Mr. Harper. For hardship petitions that are submitted this
year will you follow the 90-day time clock for a response?
Ms. McCabe. Yes.
Mr. Harper. OK. Mr. Chairman, I don't believe I will have
enough time to get into another question here, so I will yield
back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. At this time the
chair recognizes the gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Mullin, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Mullin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you for
taking the time to be here. So I am going to focus on a couple
of things real quick since you are the economist on the panel
today. With the RIN's price what is the current price today on
the RINs, do you know?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I probably have it written down somewhere.
Mr. Mullin. 85 cents.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Sounds right.
Mr. Mullin. OK. And before the blend wall do you know what
the RIN's price was?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I know that for a long, long time the RFS
wasn't binding at all. We were using much, much more ethanol
than required by the RFS and the RIN prices were----
Mr. Mullin. Right. Before the blend wall it was like
trading between 2 and 4 cents. At its highest point it was
costing 1.48. Do you know what the total was going to the
refineries, what the refineries were spending on this?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am not sure. The blenders were buying
ethanol----
Mr. Mullin. But the refineries were forced to buy them even
though----
Mr. Gruenspecht. Right.
Mr. Mullin [continuing]. This blend was out of their
control.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Right.
Mr. Mullin. Do you know how much the refineries were
costing them?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am not sure because when they bought
ethanol it had RINs attached, so the question is how much----
Mr. Mullin. How much does it--OK, let me rephrase this
then. How much is the RINs costing the consumer out there? How
much is it adding to a gallon of gas?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am actually not sure I know the answer
to that question, honestly. It is a tricky question because----
Mr. Mullin. Well, it is but you are the economist.
Mr. Gruenspecht. I understand that.
Mr. Mullin. And so that is why I am asking you the question
because this is part of the debate. Is this healthy for the
consumer? If ethanol is a cheaper, better, smarter way to move
forward we are talking today about what is the percentage of
the blend, what is it required, and then the bigger picture is
what is it actually costing the consumer? We already know that
as a guy that has over a hundred vehicles on the road in my
company and that we have multiple small engines out there--we
are in the construction business--we know it is not healthy for
our vehicles. I don't think either side is even debating that.
So if it is not healthy for our vehicles we are wanting
someone to tell us, where is it good? Is it good for the
economy?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I have not looked at that sir.
Mr. Mullin. So----
Mr. Gruenspecht. A challenge as we discussed earlier is
that the ethanol serves multiple purposes in the fuel, so it
adds octane, it helps meet other kinds of requirements
unrelated to the RFS.
Mr. Mullin. But are they the smarter, better way to move
forward? I mean for the economy, you are an economist.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Yes.
Mr. Mullin. Is it healthy for the economy?
Mr. Gruenspecht. I am actually not sure it is a primary
consideration for the economy. It is more of a consideration
for fuels policy and environmental policy. There are definitely
effects.
Mr. Mullin. Well, for the environmental policy----
Mr. Gruenspecht. I think it affects the agricultural
community to some extent. I mean----
Mr. Mullin. Well, sir, for the environmentalist, let's just
talk about that. I think you said it was higher fuel standards;
is that what you said earlier? You were answering a question
and you spoke about higher fuel standards. And so let's talk
about the environment. Ethanol doesn't burn better. I get less
miles per gallon in my vehicles when we burn ethanol.
Mr. Gruenspecht. Absolutely. Ethanol has less energy
content than gasoline.
Mr. Mullin. On our vehicles we run about 150 vehicles of
one particular brand. When I run non-ethanol versus ethanol I
see roughly a 12 percent increase in fuel mileage, when I run
100 percent fuel E0. And so for the environment that is not
good, so I focus once again on the economy side of things.
Where is it good?
And I don't mean to be pinning you, but you are the
economist and I find it funny that we can't get an answer on
that; that no one has studied downstream. Because we always
talk about the consumer, we always talk about the middle class,
we always talk about how much better and healthier it is for
them and lower fuel standards, but I am just not seeing it.
Mr. Gruenspecht. All right. Again it is something we could
look at. I think there are a variety of views on it, a variety
of perspectives on it.
Mr. Mullin. So the EPA has never looked at this?
Mr. Gruenspecht. Well, I can't speak for the EPA.
Mr. Mullin. Ma'am?
Mr. Gruenspecht. That sounds like throwing my colleague
under the bus, but----
Mr. Mullin. But you think some economists should be looking
at this?
Ms. McCabe. Yes, we have economists at EPA as well who look
at these issues. A couple things I will say in response to the
points that you have made, there has been development in rural
America as a result of the investment in not just ethanol but
other renewable fuel operations, and I am sure you will hear
that from the second panel to a great degree. So it has added
to the economy in that way.
Mr. Mullin. What has it added to other than higher consumer
prices?
Ms. McCabe. Well, it has created jobs and----
Mr. Mullin. At the cost of who, the consumer. We have
created jobs through regulation.
Ms. McCabe. Well, so another point that I want to be sure
to make is that a lot of people have looked at and are looking
at the dynamics of the RIN price and does it or doesn't it
affect prices at the pump for the consumer. And----
Mr. Mullin. It has to, because it has cost the refineries
billions of dollars and who do they pass it on to? As a
business owner I have got to pass my regulation costs to
someone. You can't absorb it. That is why I find it odd that we
through either economists or the EPA haven't looked at this
downstream on actually what it is costing the consumer at the
pump.
Ms. McCabe. We actually have looked at this issue in great
detail and would be glad to follow up with you and provide some
more information on it.
Mr. Mullin. Please do, I would appreciate that. Thank you
so much.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time the chair will recognize the gentleman from Ohio, Mr.
Johnson, for 5 minutes.
Mr. Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I appreciate the
panel for joining us today. Ms. McCabe, how might the EPA go
about setting blending requirements differently after 2022,
fully understanding that a different President and
Administration will be in place at that time?
Ms. McCabe. Yes, sir. Well, thank you for recognizing that
I won't speak for a future EPA. But we would use the guidance
that Congress gave us in the statute. So our job is to look at
the list of considerations and concerns that are laid out in
the statute which are very explicit. We are to look at the
implementation of the program through 2022 and take that into
account, and we are to also make sure that we set minimum
requirements for advanced fuel that are no less than the last
level that we set in 2022, and likewise for biodiesel. And so
those are two specific directions that Congress gave us, and
beyond that we would use our consideration of the list of
factors.
Mr. Johnson. Do you anticipate any immediate or significant
changes to blending requirements once the EPA is not bound by
these statutory requirements?
Ms. McCabe. That is something I really can't speak to. It
is not only would it not be me, it is many years into the
future.
Mr. Johnson. OK. Do you believe that the agency is on track
to meet all statutory blending requirements by 2022?
Ms. McCabe. I think we have made clear that the statutory
volumes that Congress put, the actual numbers that Congress put
into the statute we will not be able to make, and so that is
why we have used our waiver authority in this proposed rule and
the last one to set standards that are less than that.
Mr. Johnson. So if you can't meet the statutory blending
requirements by 2022, then how many more years might the agency
need to achieve those blending requirements, any idea?
Ms. McCabe. The actual numbers in the statute?
Mr. Johnson. Yes.
Ms. McCabe. I really wouldn't know.
Mr. Johnson. I mean, if you know you are not going to meet
them have you not looked at how long it would take you to meet
them?
Ms. McCabe. I don't believe we have looked at that,
Congressman, because we know that there is a process for us to
set appropriate but aggressive standards in the meantime. We
know that there is a process in the statute for what happens
afterwards and that would, I expect, be the intent of the
agency would be to follow that process.
Mr. Johnson. It seems to me that because these are
statutory requirements that the agency would be planning to
meet the statutory requirements, and if not, at least inform
Congress as to when they expected to be able to meet them. But
you say you haven't looked at that.
Ms. McCabe. Well, if Congress asks us that specific
question we would do our best to answer it. I can tell you that
the expectation for 2017, which is the proposal we have out
now, I believe is a total volume of 24 billion gallons and our
proposal is 18. So that is the delta on the total.
Mr. Johnson. OK. One final question, Ms. McCabe. EPA's CAFE
and GHG standards came out after the RFS was last revised.
Explain how this program changes compliance with the RFS.
Ms. McCabe. Yes, sir. That is a good question and it is
actually one that has been present in a lot of these questions
today. I mentioned a few minutes ago that the way the statute
works is it starts from absolute numbers, but then the actual
obligation for the obligated party is converted into a percent.
And what that means is that the obligation can be sensitive to
increases or decreases in fuel use.
So you have noted that there are programs in place now that
we didn't have before that require increased fuel economy that
could well lead to less fuel being used overall, maybe not for
some of the reasons that Howard mentioned, but whether it is
higher or lower the percentage obligation for each obligated
party will be able to adjust.
Mr. Johnson. OK, all right. Mr. Chairman, I don't have time
for another question either, so I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back. And that
concludes all of the questions for the first panel. So Ms.
McCabe and Mr. Gruenspecht, thank you very much for being with
us and you are dismissed.
At this time I would like to call up the second panel of
witnesses. And you all take a seat and we will just introduce
each of the witnesses as we call on them to give their opening
statement.
OK, our first witness on the second panel will be Mr. Chet
Thompson, who is the President of the American Fuel and
Petrochemical Manufacturers. And all of you are experienced
witnesses, but I would just remind you to pull the microphone
up and make sure the microphone is on. And when the red light
goes on that means your time is up, but we will give you a few
minutes to wind up.
So Mr. Thompson, thanks very much for being with us this
morning. We look forward to your testimony, and you are
recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENTS OF CHET THOMPSON, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN FUEL AND
PETROCHEMICAL MANUFACTURERS; BOB DINNEEN, PRESIDENT AND CEO,
RENEWABLE FUELS ASSOCIATION; TODD J. TESKE, CHAIRMAN,
PRESIDENT, AND CEO, BRIGGS & STRATTON CORPORATION; BROOKE
COLEMAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ADVANCED BIOFUELS BUSINESS
COUNCIL; COLLIN O'MARA, PRESIDENT AND CEO, NATIONAL WILDLIFE
FEDERATION; ANNE STECKEL, VICE PRESIDENT OF FEDERAL AFFAIRS,
NATIONAL BIODIESEL BOARD; AND TIM COLUMBUS, GENERAL COUNSEL,
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CONVENIENCE STORES AND SOCIETY OF
INDEPENDENT GASOLINE MARKETERS OF AMERICA
STATEMENT OF CHET THOMPSON
Mr. Thompson. Thank you, Chairman. I appreciate the
opportunity to be here. To all the members of the subcommittee,
again my name is Chet Thompson and I am the president of the
American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers. AFPM represents
the domestic petroleum refining sector. Our members account for
98 percent of the capacity of the refining industry which
transforms crude oil into the many fuels and products that
Americans rely on for their everyday life. Unlike others on the
panel, our members are obligated parties under the RFS, which
means we are the ones left holding the bag if this program is
not properly implemented.
I would like to use my limited time just to touch on the
key points we made in our written testimony. First, the RFS is
irreparably broken and needs to be repealed. After more than a
decade of implementations, it is clear to almost everyone but
our friends in the biofuel industry that the RFS program is not
working as Congress intended, and that the two purposes cited
by Congress for establishing the program--energy security and
emission reductions--are either no longer an issue and are not
being addressed by the program or in fact being made worse by
the program.
The United States is more energy secure now than ever
before, and indeed we are the world's largest producer of oil
and natural gas. And according to EIA--you heard it this
morning--the RFS has played only a small part in this
transformation.
Mr. Whitfield. Mr. Thompson, would you pull the microphone
a little bit closer? We are having a little bit of difficulty
hearing.
Mr. Thompson. Not enough rope here, I will move closer. And
so as I was saying, the RFS has played only a small part in
this transformation in making us more energy secure. And the
notion that the RFS program is better for the environment is at
best debatable, and many including the National Academy of
Sciences believe the RFS may in fact be a negative to the
environment. The time has come for Congress to repeal the RFS
and let the biofuels industry stand or fall on its own like all
the other industries in this country.
Second and importantly, AFPM, we are not anti-biofuel. To
the contrary. Several of our members are large ethanol and
biofuel producers. We believe biofuels play an important role
in the U.S. fuel supply and will continue to do so even when
this body repeals the RFS. What we are however is anti-
government mandates.
Third, as to last year's standards and this year's
proposal, we support EPA's acknowledgment that the ethanol
blend wall is real and that we also support their decision to
use their general waiver authority to adjust the standards
accordingly. That said, we do not believe that EPA has gone far
enough to ensure the annual standards are in fact reasonably
achievable.
The RFS requires increasing volumes of biofuel to be
squeezed into an inadequate biofuel infrastructure and a
decreasing demand for transportation fuel and also confronts a
fact that consumers' demand for these programs, or these fuels
are just nonexistent.
This is what gives rise to the blend wall, and as EPA has
repeatedly recognized, only a tiny fraction of the fuel
distribution and retail infrastructure is designed to
accommodate fuels containing more than 10 percent ethanol.
Moreover, the vast majority of cars on the road today are not
warrantied to handle more than E10 and nor are the small
engines equipped to handle these blended fuels. Demand is much
lower--again we heard this from EIA--today than Congress
thought when they enacted the program. Projections for 2007 are
down by more than 10 percent and projections for 2022 use has
dropped by more than 23 percent.
To overcome this and meet its aggressive 2017 proposals,
EPA would eliminate in 1 year starting 6 months from now their
proposal would eliminate 96 percent of the ethanol-free
gasoline or E0, taking it from 5.3 billion gallons down to just
200 million. It would also require consumers to purchase
record-breaking volumes of E85, E15, and biodiesel, ignoring
the very obstacles they acknowledge in the rulemaking still
exist today. If biofuel production so far this year is any
indication, EPA's proposed standards are indeed unachievable.
As the former deputy general counsel of EPA, I would be
remiss not to mention that the Clean Air Act clearly provides
EPA with the authority to adjust annual standards to account
for the E10 blend wall. The biofuel industry's challenge to
this authority is simply without merit.
Finally, AFPM strongly supports H.R. 5180, the Food and
Fuel Consumer Protection Act of 2016. While certainly we would
prefer full repeal of this program, the Association fully
supports H.R. 5180 introduced by Congressman Flores and Welch
and cosponsored now by ten members of the subcommittee. This
legislation would prevent EPA from forcing more ethanol into
the fuel market than it can handle, which in turn would provide
at least some stability in the RIN market and preserve some
consumer choice for ethanol-free gasoline. This legislation
importantly represents a good faith compromise on our part that
deserves the support of every member of Congress. Thank you,
and I look forward to answering your questions.
[The prepared statement of Chet Thompson follows:]
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Mr. Whitfield. And thank you, Mr. Thompson. And our next
witness is Mr. Bob Dinneen who is the President and CEO of the
Renewable Fuels Association. Welcome, Mr. Dinneen, and you are
recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF BOB DINNEEN
Mr. Dinneen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon,
members of the committee. I must confess I am feeling a little
bit nostalgic this morning reflecting on the many times I have
testified in this room on this very subject going back to 2002,
as the committee wrestled with how best to accommodate oil
companies looking to eliminate the requirement to use MTBE, a
petroleum-based additive contaminating drinking water across
the country. The result was the first RFS supported by the oil
industry and a bipartisan majority here.
The success of that bill gave rise to the expanded RFS in
2007, creating the very first carbon metric for liquid fuels.
RFS2 was transformative legislation and it is accomplishing
everything it was asked to do. It was intended to stimulate
investment and expansion of conventional ethanol--done. U.S.
ethanol producers met the challenge and we now have the
capacity to produce more than 15 \1/2\ billion gallons
annually. It was intended to create a value-added market for
farmers--done. Ethanol has created a robust ag economy that
importantly allowed Congress to reduce farm program costs
saving taxpayers money.
It was intended to provide competition at the pump--done.
Ethanol is the lowest cost octane on the planet and because it
is cheaper than gasoline has reduced petroleum demand and
extended the barrel. It has significantly reduced consumer
prices. It was intended to enhance energy security--done. U.S.
oil dependence has plummeted in part because of fracking, but
most certainly also because of ethanol. Indeed, gasoline
imports have virtually been eliminated in direct response to
the RFS.
It was intended to reduce carbon--done. Ethanol produced
today reduces greenhouse gas emissions 34 percent relative to
gasoline, and ethanol from tomorrow's cellulosic feedstocks
will do even better making the RFS the single most effective
transportation related carbon policy in the world. It was
intended to stimulate investment in advanced biofuels--doing.
While the inexorable march towards cellulosic ethanol was
interrupted by the worldwide recession and banking crisis
precipitated by $140 a barrel oil in 2008, these technologies
are now rolling out and the promise of advanced biofuel
technology is being realized.
So what has changed from when the RFS passed with such
broad enthusiasm? Some have said, well, the RFS is driving up
food costs. No, the price of corn today is about where it was
in 2007. Retail food price inflation has actually been
demonstrably lower since the RFS2 was passed, and as the World
Bank reported again just last week, demand for ethanol has not
had a meaningful impact on world food prices. Rather, the price
of food is far more related to the price of oil.
Refiners will say we are producing more crude oil
domestically and the RFS is just an anachronism of our energy
scarcity past. Well, we have been reminded lately of the boom
and bust cycle that is oil extraction as the rig count has
plummeted. 80,000 workers were laid off and fracking operations
in the Bakken have shuttered, leaving communities holding the
lost hope of economic opportunity. Faced with the same falling
oil prices, U.S. ethanol producers added 2,000 jobs last year,
invested in new technologies, and worked to build new markets
here and abroad. Tell me what has been better for America.
Some, including EPA, have said we have hit a blend wall. We
can't blend any more than 9.7 percent of the gasoline market.
There aren't enough cars that can run on more than ten percent,
and boats and small engines will be harmed if forced to use the
higher ethanol blends. Hogwash. There is nothing magical about
9.7 percent. Twenty seven states today already use more, 23
states use more than ten percent, and Minnesota uses 12.2
percent all because of the increasing demand for E15 and E85.
Today, more than 25 percent of the vehicles on the road are
fully warrantied for E15 or higher. Eighty percent of the new
cars produced last year were warrantied for E15. For
comparison, just 11 percent of the cars on the road today
require premium. You can find premium every place, so what is
the big challenge about providing that E15 fuel for those
consumers that want it and can use it?
That said, there is no mandate for E15. Even API says E0 is
on the rise and E10 will remain the ubiquitous fuel option. The
pumps selling E15 will be clearly labeled. There is no reason
to believe folks needing E10 or less for their small engines,
boats, or motorcycles will be unable to find it.
Now the only thing that has changed is the incumbent
industry is fiercely trying to relitigate the legislative
battle it lost a decade ago. But the policy objectives, energy,
economic, and environmental security have not subsided. Indeed,
they have become even more critical as the planet warms,
consumers struggle, and OPEC flexes its muscle.
This committee wrote a great law in 2005. You gave EPA very
clear guidance on how to implement the program and the
flexibility to deal with issues. There is nothing wrong with
the RFS that cannot be fixed with what is right with the RFS.
There is no need to legislate changes to a program that is
working. EPA needs to implement the program as you wrote it,
and the full potential of the program will be realized. Don't
be bullied by an incumbent industry intent on recapturing lost
market share and preventing a more sustainable energy future.
Celebrate as I do the success of this program. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Mr. Dinneen. And our next witness
is Mr. Todd Teske, who is the Chairman, President, and CEO of
Briggs & Stratton Corporation. Welcome, Mr. Teske, and you are
recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF TODD J. TESKE
Mr. Teske. Chairman Whitfield, Vice Chairman Olson, Ranking
Member Rush, and distinguished members of the committee, thank
you again for inviting me to offer Briggs & Stratton's
perspective on the EPA's implementation of the Renewable Fuel
Standard. I have been extremely impressed by the committee's
workman-like approach to educate itself and the public on the
challenges of the RFS that it presents to manufacturers,
consumers, and the environment.
The Outdoor Power Equipment Institute on which I currently
serve as a board member has previously submitted formal
comments in response to the committee's white papers issued in
2013. My statement today which is submitted strictly in my
capacity as chairman, president, and CEO of Briggs & Stratton
will attempt to define the RFS challenges as they pertain to
small engine manufacturers, and offer suggestions on how to
protect consumers from significant economic and environmental
damage.
Briggs & Stratton, headquartered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
is the world's largest producer of gasoline engines for outdoor
power equipment. We are a leading designer, manufacturer, and
marketer of power generation, lawn and garden, turf care, and
job site products through its Briggs & Stratton, Simplicity,
Snapper, Snapper Pro, Ferris, PowerBoss, Allmand, Billy Goat,
Murray, Branco, and Victa brands.
Briggs & Stratton products are designed, manufactured,
marketed, and serviced in over a hundred countries on six
continents by 6,200 employees. Approximately 5,300 of those
employees work here in the U.S. As a U.S.-based manufacturer,
our company is proud to be celebrating its 108th anniversary
this year, and continues to manufacture over 85 percent of its
products in America.
Let me first state that Briggs & Stratton has tremendous
respect for EPA's career employees. Our engineers and their
engineers collaborate on complex emission standard-setting
rulemakings, and we have found them to be fair and objective in
their effort to reach the right balance between environmental
protection and economic reality.
Achieving that balance is essential to Briggs & Stratton's
over 5,000 employees in our Kentucky, Georgia, New York,
Wisconsin, Alabama, Nebraska, and Missouri manufacturing
facilities and the communities whose economies depend on the
revenue generated from those plants.
As is the case with manufacturers of every internal
combustion engine, our facilities are carefully designed to
produce small engines and outdoor power equipment that is
designed, warranted, and EPA approved and certified to operate
on gasoline containing not more than ten percent ethanol.
It is for this reason that we are so deeply concerned about
EPA's conditional certification of E15, a fuel which would
produce severe engine damage if used in our small engine
powered products. The partial certification of E15 is not
satisfying the industry's current RFS targets. This ensuing
process of revising ethanol fuel standards has and will
continue to create uncertainty in the marketplace for
manufacturers and increased misfueling risk to consumers.
Misfueling will result in economic harm to all parties as
engine's failures are met with voided product warranties and
changes in brand loyalties. These changing targets will result
in inefficient use of manufacturing resources and more
expensive products.
Following are five factors why we believe that the EPA
should revisit the conditional certification of E15. One,
research has shown and EPA has agreed that use of E15 in small
non-road engines can have harmful and costly consequences on
small engines and outdoor power equipment. Two, research on
warning label effectiveness suggest that an E15 warning label
will do very little to mitigate misfueling. Three, behavioral
studies of customers at the gas pump conclude that consumers
overwhelmingly favor the lowest price option regardless of the
consequences. Four, misfueling due to a lack of education of
consumers regarding the proper use of E15 will be significant.
And five, the use of biofuels or, quote, drop-in fuels, has
been tested and could prevent misfueling.
If public policy requires that the federal government drive
the market for alternative fuels, Briggs & Stratton urges that
the policy be amended to more fully support the development and
use of biofuels for many feedstock which are intended to be
used as drop-in fuels. Drop-in fuels by definition meet
existing gasoline specifications and are ready to drop in to
infrastructure minimizing compatibility issues. These fuels are
capable of satisfying the additional growth of biofuel use
while also providing a safe and highly performing general fuel
for both legacy and newly manufactured small engines and
outdoor power equipment.
At our expense we conducted extensive testing with a drop-
in isobutanol blended gasoline which demonstrated evidence that
such fuels can provide the performance and operational criteria
necessary to remain in compliance with EPA's emission standards
without demonstrating any negative effects. It is unfortunate
that the production of RFS-compliant drop-in fuels has
struggled to reach commercial scale. I suspect that this is a
factor in EPA's decision to grant the partial waiver to meet
the statutory requirements using ethanol.
In closing, I would like to note that for the past several
years we have worked closely with our Congressman, Jim
Sensenbrenner, in an effort to rescind the recertification of
E15 until such time as the National Academy of Sciences can
convene a peer review panel to evaluate EPA's action and
recommend alternative approaches which protect consumers and
the environment.
This bill along with several others, including the bill
introduced by Congressman Flores and Congressman Welch, serve
to offer a variety of options for this committee to work with.
I wanted to publicly thank these members of Congress for their
work and for their dedication to finding creative, common sense
solutions to the problems with the RFS. Briggs & Stratton urges
this committee to work in a bipartisan bicameral manner to pass
reform legislation through revisions to the RFS which will
align domestic goals for biofuel use with the market's ability
to produce, distribute, and consume such fuels.
At a minimum we recommend that the reform legislation
rescind the partial waiver for E15 and establish gasoline
blended with up to ten percent ethanol as the general purpose
domestic fuel. The legislation should also require that all
considerations to increase domestic biofuel levels in the
future be subject to a formal EPA rulemaking whereby the
market's ability to safely distribute, retail, and consume such
fuel is provided.
Thank you once again for holding a hearing on this
important issue and for allowing me the opportunity to testify
before this distinguished committee. I would be happy to answer
any questions you and your colleagues may have.
[The prepared statement of Todd J. Teske follows:]
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Mr. Teske. And our next witness
is Mr. Brooke Coleman who is the executive director for the
Advanced Biofuels Business Council, and you are recognized for
5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF BROOKE COLEMAN
Mr. Coleman. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Whitfield,
members of the committee. My name is Brooke Coleman. I am the
executive director of the Advanced Biofuels Business Council.
Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. We represent
worldwide leaders in the effort to develop and commercialize
the next generation of advanced and cellulosic biofuels.
I want to start with a general observation about the
Renewable Fuel Standard. I think it is safe to say that the RFS
is a lightning rod of sorts; the question is why. There are
those who say it is because the RFS doesn't work. But I think
if you look at the success rate of innovation and deployment in
the renewable fuels industry and the historic positioning of
the oil industry when it comes to trying to avoid competition
at the pump you will have your answer.
In just 10 years, the biofuel industry has emerged to
create hundreds of thousands of jobs and displace the need for
billions of gallons of petroleum imports annually. If you look
at perhaps the most criticized biofuel, ethanol, you will find
that it also happens to be the most disruptive to the status
quo. The ethanol industry supports hundreds of thousands of
U.S. jobs alone in more than two dozen states and now threatens
to bring new blends and real consumer choice to the pump. The
ethanol industry is a target for a reason.
And now we are innovating. The United States is home to the
largest commercial cellulosic ethanol plant in the world,
DuPont's facility in Nevada, Iowa. POET-DSM cellulosic facility
in Emmetsburg, Iowa, produces enough renewable electricity as a
co-product to power itself and the grain ethanol facility next
door. Quad County's first generation ethanol plant in Galva,
Iowa, now produces cellulosic ethanol from corn fiber using a
technology called Cellerate that also reduces energy inputs.
Quad County's fuel is 126 percent better than gasoline on
carbon. It is a carbon sink.
But disrupting the status quo does not come easily. Our
adversaries have enough money to fill the airways with
allegations about the RFS, but are any of these allegations
actually true? We have heard about corn ethanol and food
prices, but corn prices are about the same today as when the
RFS was passed, and food industry profits--an important part of
this--are soaring.
Higher ethanol blends like E15 could damage cars, they say,
except the Department of Energy found no problems with 15
percent ethanol blends or 20 percent ethanol blends in 86 cars
tested for up to 120,000 miles each. Some small engine
producers including Briggs say they are concerned about
ethanol, but they sell their engines to Brazil where gasoline
contains more than two times as much ethanol as we have in the
United States today.
Oil even ran a commercial during the World Series last year
claiming that ethanol is worse for the climate than gasoline
and we heard Congressman Welch say it today, except that USEPA,
the California Resources Board, and the national labs like
Argonne and National Research Energy Laboratory all say they
are wrong.
On the issue of pump prices don't take my word for it.
Former Shell Oil president John Hofmeister recently stated,
quote, we need a competitor for oil. We need to open the market
to replacement fuels. Competition will drive transportation
fuel prices down structurally and sustainably, unquote.
This is exactly what is happening with the RFS. Energy
economist Phil Verleger, he used to advise Presidents Ford and
Carter and the oil industry itself, recently said, ``The
renewable fuels program translates to consumers paying between
50 cents and 1.50 per gallon less for gasoline, when gasoline
prices were high, by adding the equivalent of Ecuador to
extremely tight world liquid fuel markets.
If there is one thing that we should all agree on it is
this. Having only one option to power cars and trucks runs
contrary to the fundamental premise of competition that
underpins our economic system, and if we do not control that
resource, as we have seen, it leaves us vulnerable to foreign
cartels often working against us.
And that is where I want to close. There are those who want
policymakers to believe that quote, things have changed; that
we don't need the RFS anymore because the U.S. oil boom and low
gas prices. But really, nothing has changed. When we got hit
with record high oil prices in 2008, Americans transferred
nearly $1 trillion to OPEC members in just 6 to 8 months paying
for motor fuel, a predicament that helped throw the United
States into deep recession.
Now Saudi Arabia is hitting us with the other end of the
stick by intentionally making oil so cheap that U.S. shale and
deepwater drillers cannot compete, and it is working. U.S.
tight oil and deepwater drilling operations are going belly up
putting Americans out of work. It is nice to pay $1.50 for
gasoline, but what is actually happening is foreign oil cartels
are using their market position to snuff out competition and
repossess the U.S. fuel energy sector. Ironically that is
exactly what the oil industry hates about the RFS here in the
United States, that it threatens their chokehold over the
American consumer at the pump.
If I could leave you with one thought it is this. Congress
made a commitment and investors have spent billions in private
capital to answer the call to create these biorefineries and
create these fuels. The RFS doesn't distort a free market, it
corrects a noncompetitive one by forcing choice at the pump. It
also happens to be the best advanced low carbon biofuel policy
in the world.
What we do not need is for Congress to change a good law.
What we do need is help convincing the Obama administration to
block out the noise and administer the program as designed.
Thank you for the privilege of speaking today and I look
forward to your questions.
[The prepared statement of Brooke Coleman follows:]
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you very much, Mr. Coleman. And our
next witness is Mr. Collin O'Mara, who is the President and CEO
of the National Wildlife Federation. Thanks for being with us.
You are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF COLLIN O'MARA
Mr. O'Mara. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Vice Chairman Olson,
and Mr. Tonko. Thank you for having a wildlife voice on this
panel and a sportsman voice on this panel. When this law was
debated in 2007 there wasn't much conversation about land use,
and as I travel the country I keep having that Toby Keith song
in my head, ``I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know
then.`` There is a lot that we didn't know in 2007 about land
use.
There is a study by the United States Department of
Agriculture that said that more than eight million acres that
were not in production that were in some kind of habitat are
now in production, and a big chunk of that is because of the
RFS. There is just a study from the University of Wisconsin
that said that 7.4 million acres of habitat has gone into
production.
Sixty seven percent of that land is marginal. These are
things like grassland prairies. These are things like, some
wetlands and some forest land. And there are a lot of factors
for this, but one of the big reasons is this massive drive
towards ethanol. Ethanol production in terms of the total kind
of all of the supply of corn that is being produced went from
nine percent going towards ethanol before the RFS to 40 percent
today. So you are seeing a big demand.
And farmers are rational. I mean, I grew up in a farming
community in Upstate New York. If there is a profit there they
should go there, but it is an artificial one that is being
created by government and once again wildlife and sportsmen are
the ones that lose.
Seventy seven percent of these eight million acres that
both USDA and University of Wisconsin have identified are
grasslands. And these are incredibly important lands. I mean,
you have had conversations before this committee and others
around the imperiled sage grouse, around the meadowlark. I
mean, things that you are hearing are having kind of
precipitous declines. We are losing habitat at a pretty
alarming rate.
Pheasant numbers right now in a whole lot of states are
down. They had a million, a million birds were shot in Iowa
before the RFS. There are about 100,000 now. Again there are
many factors, but the drive for more and more corn on the
ground is a big one of those and again wildlife and sportsmen
end up losing.
If you only take one thing away from my testimony today it
is that we have to better understand these land use impacts and
the water implications. You know, if you look at, if you look
right now we have lost more than a million acres, 1.6 million
acres of native grasslands from 2008 until today, and that is
bigger than my home state of Delaware. I mean that is a lot of
land. And when you start thinking about those uses it gets kind
of scary when these volumes continue to go up.
There was a commitment that this Congress made when we were
debating this policy originally that there would be no, kind of
no lands that weren't in production before 2007 would be
affected by this policy, and unfortunately though EPA has never
upheld their end of the bargain.
They use something that they call aggregate compliance and
so they basically look at all the acres across the entire
country including those that are in the Conservation Reserve
Program. They look at all these acres and they see whether or
not there is any kind of impact. They don't know whether there
is forest being lost in Wisconsin or Minnesota. They don't know
whether there is wetlands being lost in the Prairie Potholes.
They don't know whether there is kind of impacts in Nebraska or
Iowa and the grasslands. And again wildlife loses over and over
again.
I would also like to talk about water, because one of the
things that happens when you put more and more corn in
production you have folks switching from other crops to corn,
corn is pretty hard on soils. You need a lot of fertilizer to
grow corn. And what ends up happening is as you have more and
more precipitation you have that water then wash those
nutrients into the waterways and all of sudden then you get
these big algal blooms.
Again you have seen record algal blooms. I was with Mr.
Latta in his district up on Lake Erie. You know, you had algal
bloom in the state of Ohio, in Toledo that had a half a million
people not able to drink water for 3 days. Now when you put
more and more kind of corn on the landscape and you take these
acres of grasses or wetlands or forest out of habitat into
production, you lose that value for them to bring up those
nutrients. And so this wasn't supposed to happen. I mean there
is very clear language that EPA is supposed to take action if
there is any kind of economic or environmental harm. They
haven't been doing this because of this compliance approach.
And so we have three recommendations that we hope the
committee will consider. The first one is that--Mr. Welch
brought this up earlier, we really need to demand the Triennial
Report. Now there was a report in 2011 that said that the
impacts would be very inconsequential on the landscape, it is
just not true. We have verified from academic institutions--and
I have no economic stake in this. I just want good hunting. I
just want good fishing, good birding. I want to make sure that
we have enough wildlife to pass on to our kids. So the first
thing, we need that report because what it is going to show is
that we have lost a lot of acres of habitat.
The second thing is that we have to have EPA follow the
law. And you heard today when folks talk about the
environmental consequences they only talk about air. You have
heard it from EPA today, you have heard it from other people on
this panel. They don't talk about the land use and the water
implications. We need to look at all of those. And frankly we
need to get that right now, because as you have billions of
gallons of advanced biofuels coming onto the landscape we need
to make sure that is also not taking more and more land away
from hunters, anglers, and wildlife.
And then the third thing is that we need to make the RFS as
a statute much more wildlife friendly. We need to make sure we
get rid of this aggregate compliance mechanism where they look
at the total land instead of looking at the individual lands
that are being converted for crops. We need to accurately
assess the impacts on wildlife. We need to make sure that we
are moving the number below the blend wall because we see when
we are above that we are losing too much land for wildlife.
And also there is other policies, things like the
Conservation Reserve Program that has been cut, things like the
North American Wetlands Conservation Act, other subsidies,
other conservation programs that we cut that now some folks say
is a good thing. The problem is when you cut those things all
of a sudden farmers want to put their land into production
instead of keeping it for habitat.
So again we have kind of met the enemy and he is us in this
case. This was a government-created crisis in many ways. Thank
you.
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Mr. O'Mara.
And now our next witness is Ms. Anne Steckel who is Vice
President of Federal Affairs for the National Biodiesel Board,
and you are recognized for 5 minutes.
STATEMENT OF ANNE STECKEL
Ms. Steckel. Chairman Whitfield, members of the committee,
thank you so much for the opportunity today to testify on
behalf of the thousands of employees working across the country
in the biodiesel and renewable diesel industries.
My name is Anne Steckel, and I am vice president of Federal
Affairs for the National Biodiesel Board. I am proud to
represent the most successful advanced biofuel in America. In
fact, biodiesel and renewable diesel are the unsung heroes of
the RFS Advanced Biofuel Program. If you take away one thing
from my testimony today I hope it is the following. While there
are certainly areas that could be improved, the RFS has made a
tremendous progress in developing advanced biofuels and
delivering them to American consumers.
Biodiesel and renewable diesel have made up the vast
majority of the advanced biofuels in the RFS including filling
more than 90 percent in the category in the last 2 years. Last
year alone, American consumers used nearly 2.1 billion gallons
of biodiesel and renewable diesel. That is 2.1 with a B, out of
an overall diesel market of about 60 billion gallons. As a
result of the RFS many truck stops around the country today are
selling biodiesel blends of 10 to 20 percent. In fact, with
help from a state program the majority of diesel fuel in
Illinois, also my home state, is sold with at least 11 percent
biodiesel.
Biodiesel is a clean, renewable diesel alternative made
from a wide variety of fats and oils including recycled cooking
oil, soybean oil, and animal fats. Our industry has plants in
nearly every state in the country, in big cities and rural
communities along the east and west coasts and throughout the
heartland. Every 100 million gallons of biodiesel production
supports some 3,200 jobs.
According to the lifecycle analysis conducted by the EPA,
biodiesel reduces greenhouse gas emissions by at least 57
percent and up to 86 percent. The California Air Resources
Board and other institutions have made similar or even stronger
findings.
Greenhouse gas emissions reductions, however, are just one
of biodiesel's many environmental benefits. It also reduces
waste in landfills, keeps oil and sludge out of sewer
infrastructure, maximizes the efficient use of agricultural
byproducts, and significantly cuts emissions of other air
pollutants particularly air toxins.
Building new energy industries is no small endeavor. Taking
a biodiesel industry that barely existed a decade ago and
building it into a commercial scale enterprise is something we
should all be proud of. U.S. biodiesel producers have made
tremendous investments diversifying their feedstocks and
increasing efficiency. There remains significant untapped
production capacity on the ground today, and biodiesel
producers across the country will tell you they stand ready to
invest and expand and hire with strong, stable policy.
I would be remiss if I did not thank the EPA for getting
this program back on track from a timing perspective. The
stability provided by timely standards is very important.
However, we continue to believe the agency is underestimating
the volume of biodiesel that can be delivered.
First, it is important to remember that biomass-based
diesel volumes are currently established under a different
process than the other RFS categories. The law requires the EPA
to set a minimum applicable volume for biomass-based diesel 14
months in advance. So the most recent RFS proposal covers
biodiesel volumes 2 years from now in 2018, while covering 2017
volume for other fuel categories.
Under the pending proposal, the EPA would set a biomass-
based diesel volume of 2.1 billion gallons for 2018. The
industry looks on pace to exceed the volume this year and the
EPA itself projects that we will see 2.5 billion gallons of
biodiesel and renewable diesel in 2016 and 2.7 billion gallons
in 2017.
The RFS is not a status quo policy. It was designed to
drive investment and innovation. We believe EPA can and must
implement the program to provide aggressive growth.
Specifically, we are calling for the EPA to finalize a volume
of at least 2.5 billion gallons for biomass-based diesel and
set more aggressive goals for advanced biofuels.
I believe the reasons the RFS were initially created are as
compelling today as they were then and that biodiesel is
leading the nation in the transition to clean advanced
biofuels. Strong biomass-based diesel and advanced biofuels
programs in the RFS are critical to ensure that this success
continues. Again I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you
all today and would be happy to answer any questions you may
have. Thank you.
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Ms. Steckel.
And our next witness is Mr. Tim Columbus, who is the
General Counsel for the National Association of Convenience
Stores and Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of
America. So Mr. Columbus, welcome, and you are recognized for 5
minutes.
STATEMENT OF TIM COLUMBUS
Mr. Columbus. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, thank
you. My name is Tim Columbus. I am a partner at Steptoe &
Johnson and I am here today on behalf of our clients, the
National Association of Convenience Stores and the Society of
Independent Gasoline Marketers of America.
From what you have heard so far there seems to be some
diversity of view as to the pros and cons of the Renewable Fuel
Standard. My clients are the guys caught in the middle. They
are caught in the middle between two major sources of supply
for what they sell, and consumers and manufacturers.
I think it is important for the committee to understand
that retailers of motor fuels are for the most part absolutely
agnostic about what liquid motor fuels we sell. Our objective
is to sell legal fuels in a lawful way to people who want to
buy them. I will tell you that for the most part, not uniformly
but for the most part, the retail segment of the marketplace
has been served well by the RFS because it has in fact achieved
one of the statutory objectives which was to broaden and
diversify the fuel pool from which my clients purchase the
products they sell to consumers. Now having said that let me
move on to the proposal that EPA has put before you.
At the outset, my market segment along with others is
deeply grateful to EPA for putting this out on time this year.
We are very grateful for the recognition by EPA of the
existence of a ``blend wall.'' And I have heard some people
talk about an ethanol blend wall. The way I would define blend
wall is there is a lack of RINs. There is an inadequate number
of RINs to satisfy the demand of the obligated parties for
RINs.
And because of the characteristics of this program where an
advanced biofuel RIN can be used to retire more than one
renewable volume obligation, the fact that biodiesel RINs can
be used not only for advanced biofuel but also to retire other
such as corn ethanol obligations is an important thing for you
all to keep in mind when you are talking about a blend wall. So
the fact that the RVO for gasoline this year has something more
than ten percent doesn't mean that will all be satisfied by
ethanol.
For those who want bigger RVOs, I have to tell you that
achievement of those numbers is going to be tough and we face
as retailers two very significant problems. Number one is an
infrastructure problem. As most of you know, under four percent
of the retail outlets in the United States are owned or
operated by integrated refining companies. That means our folks
own those and invest in them. More than half of the retail
outlets in the United States have changed hands in terms of
ownership in the last 15 years.
The impediment to going on for higher blends of renewables
is the fact that we have an affirmative obligation under any
number of regulatory regimes, whether that be a fire code at
the state level or the Office of Underground Storage Tanks at
EPA, to regulations to make sure on an affirmative basis that
the retailer can demonstrate that the equipment in which he is
storing and through which he is dispensing these fuels is
compatible with those fuels. That is really hard.
Now as to demand for new products, retailers live to
satisfy demand. But retailers sell products only because
customers want them. Customers don't buy products because
retailers offer them. If that were true we would offer a lot
shabbier stuff and we would make more money. The reality is
that there are markets in which E15 and E85 demand has risen,
and in those markets retailers are in fact offering the
products that the market demands. That is not true as broadly
as some would have you think.
Having said all those things, I think we would sum up with
EPA has done a commendable job from our perspective of doing
exactly what this committee and Congress in general asked it to
do several years ago, which was to administer the program as if
it were under adult supervision and to avoid a blend wall
breach which would generate truly unpleasant consequences for
the marketplace. And with that I thank you for your time and I
offer to answer any questions you have that I can.
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Mr. Whitfield. Thank you, Mr. Columbus, and thank all of
you for your testimony. At this time, Mr. Olson, I will
recognize you 5 minutes for questions.
Mr. Olson. I thank the chairman and welcome to our second
panel. I have to correct oversight from the first panel. I want
to enter a statement for the record from Commander Kirk
Lippold. Kirk was a navy commander in charge at the USS Cole
when she was blown up in Aden, Oman, and he submitted a
statement for me about the effects of RFS on national security.
He thinks it hurts it, so without objection, sir, I would like
to enter that for the record.
Mr. Whitfield. Without objection.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. Olson. Thank you. My first question is for you, Mr.
Columbus. First of all, I have to say thank you, thank you,
thank you. Your organization got me out to see a convenience
store, the Stripes Store at 12091 Westpark Drive in Houston,
Texas. There I learned a couple of things. First of all,
members of Congress should never roll flour tortillas. They get
all messed up.
I also learned that most of your members are not opposed to
ethanol as a fuel. They just want to give customers the fuels
they want and they need. At the same time, some folks point to
E85 and E15 as our way forward on ethanol. Are most consumers
at your member stores asking, begging for E15, and could you
easily roll out the infrastructure for E15 if necessary?
Mr. Columbus. Mr. Olson, what I have to tell you is it
depends on the market you are in. You know, all markets are
local in demand. If you are in Minnesota or Iowa there are
people saying they want E15. If you are in Oklahoma there are
people who want E0. And therefore what you are going to see is
retailers across this country do what they have been doing for
decades and that is responding to what the customers who walk
into their establishments demand.
And, while retailers are always appreciative of any money
Congress will offer them to upgrade their facilities--I assure
you that is true--if there is substantial demand for E15 in a
marketplace you are not going to have to give people grants to
upgrade their tanks. They will make that because it is in their
pecuniary interest to do so. That is how markets work. We have
not seen the overwhelming demand that I think many people,
particularly because of flex-fuel vehicles treatment, had
anticipated for E85 anywhere.
Mr. Olson. Thank you.
Questions for you, Mr. O'Mara. There is an article today in
the Houston Chronicle, a study at LS University, Louisiana
State, about a growing dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. They
say this year it will be one-third larger than it was last year
primarily due to chemical fertilizers running down the
watershed from all over the Mississippi River Water Basin. That
is corn country.
You said that increased demand for corn ethanol has driven
the creation of new acreage in some unusual places. Your
written testimony talked about the Texas Panhandle, also a fact
that 67 percent of new cropland like the Panhandle is marginal
or unsuited for planting. Can you talk about what this means
for Texans at the pump, at the grocery store, and at our
Whataburgers?
Mr. O'Mara. Sure. Thank you, Mr. Olson. What you are seeing
as folks are trying to meet the market demand because they are
rational, they are trying to make money--we respect that--they
are planting in more and more places that don't really make
sense. And so when you are planting in the Panhandle as you
know as well as anybody, the amount of irrigation you are going
to need to try to make that land have any level of production
is pretty high. Now you have had some water shortages in that
part of the country too, and so that is water that ends up
hitting in other places so then you see higher costs of water,
other price impacts, and other increasing, both increasing
price and also decreasing the amount of flow for fish and other
wildlife. And so it is kind of bad on all fronts when you are
growing in these places that we have never grown historically
because it just doesn't make sense unless there is an
artificial government price support.
Mr. Olson. OK, yes. Final question for Mr. Thompson. As you
know, I have long said the RFS is a mandate designed for a
world that no longer exists. One of ever higher gasoline demand
and ever lower oil capacity that world is gone. The terms peak
oil and peak natural gas are not used anymore. And now both
Congress and the EPA are left trying to cobble together a way
forward trying to put a round peg in a square hole.
I know that you believe that EPA has done some good work in
using its waiver authority to a degree, but do you believe that
we are on a path that is realistic for your members to comply
with long term?
Mr. Thompson. Certainly not, and that is why we believe
full repeal is due. As I have pointed out in my testimony both
written and oral, you know, the problem is EPA is for next
year's proposal, again just 6 months from now, they are asking
to increase the RFS by 700 million gallons. It is not feasible
particularly when you tick down--a lot of folks on this panel
talked about creating choice, it is really doing the opposite
and it is eliminating choice. EPA's proposal will eliminate E0,
something that we know the American consumer wants. It would
take it from 5.3 billion gallons down to 200.
And also Mr. Columbus talks about whether people want E15.
Well, the truth is it is virtually zero right now and what EPA
is suggesting will happen in 6 months it will go from zero to
600 million gallons. It is not going to happen. E15 is only
sold at 312 stores today. And then the same with E85. EPA
argues that in 6 months the volume is going to go from 87
million gallons up to approximately 400 million gallons.
Consumers don't want these products. This program is no longer
serving the purpose that this body created the RFS to tackle.
It is time for it to be repealed.
Mr. Olson. Thank you. Well, I raise one final point. At the
highest levels there could be confusion at the pump. President
Obama went to Israel a couple years ago. He took his limousines
there. Guess what, one was broken down by Secret Service guys
because guess what they did, they put gasoline in a diesel
engine.
Mr. Dinneen. Congressman, just real quick. With the
discussion about what consumers want in fuel I will guarantee
you there is no consumer that wants benzene or xylene or any
other toxic aromatics in their fuel either. And so the
discussion about what consumers want is interesting, but I
assure you, you ask consumers they would want a domestic clean-
burning fuel additive.
Mr. Whitfield. Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Olson. I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. At this
time I recognize the gentleman from Vermont, Mr. Welch, for 5
minutes.
Mr. Welch. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I think you
are right consumers want clean-burning fuel, but Mr. Teske, I
will ask you. Has the ethanol had any impact on engines? I had
a carburetor from a motorcycle that was just gunked up with
ethanol according to the mechanic. Tell us your history with
that.
Mr. Teske. Thank you for the question. Ethanol certainly
does have an impact on an engine. It really does two different
things. When you have higher levels of ethanol, say E15 that
you would put into a small engine, it will run at higher
temperatures. These engines are really tuned, if you will, for
emissions regulations to last for a long time and what happens
is the higher temperatures will distort the material and
thereby defeat some of the emissions requirements that are out
there.
The other thing that ethanol does because it is alcohol
related is it attracts water. And so when you have a fair
amount of water that comes in to an engine it will corrode the
engine, you will have scoring on the bore. You will have a
number of different things. Your props, if you will, I am not
surprised by. I didn't see them or examine them, but that is
very consistent with what we generally see when you introduce
higher levels of ethanol.
Mr. Welch. It is interesting. I found out about--I didn't
know about this issue, but I was up at a county fair and a
bunch of Vermonters surrounded me. This was years ago after I
was first elected, and I was clueless about ethanol as I was
clueless about a lot of other things. But they were insistent
that their motorboat engines, their chainsaws, and their
snowmobiles to some extent were really having been damaged by
ethanol, so that is all consistent with your experience.
Mr. Teske. Yes.
Mr. Welch. And my chainsaw got wrecked, and I guess I was
stupid to leave the ethanol in there a little bit longer than
it should have been, but my mechanic told--I was pretty blue
because I love this chainsaw and ethanol does that to
chainsaws?
Mr. Teske. Yes. So from our perspective obviously our
engines will run up to E10 and so it is plus or minus five
percent, right, on each side we can design an engine. So we are
not against ethanol, but ethanol does have negative impacts.
Mr. Welch. Right.
Mr. Teske. The higher the blends the more difficult it is
for these engines to sustain----
Mr. Welch. Thank you.
Mr. O'Mara--thank you. We all so want to have our fertile
land in productive work feeding the United States, feeding
other countries. But we had a situation here with ethanol where
it was a trifecta of governmental policies to encourage this
production of ethanol. There was the 54 cent a gallon tax
incentive, it was the 45 cent a gallon tariff barrier, and then
it was the requirement, the mandate that you or I purchase
ethanol. And I literally know of no other industry that has
ever received that trifecta of governmental support. A lot of
industries might like it, but it is as far away as you can get
from a free market.
Now one of the concerns I have had you have talked about,
and that is that incentive worked. Folks who were in the corn
belt saw that there was an opportunity and--I don't have any
problem with it. Why wouldn't you if you are a corn farmer? But
what happened to the overplanting? What happened to the
conservation land program that was really being quite
successful and with the tradeoff where if you put your fragile
land out of production you would get some help making it with
soil conservation and with drainage and other things?
Mr. O'Mara. Thank you, Congressman. Thank you to you and
Mr. Griffith for raising the wildlife and the land piece. That
actually had a fourth and fifth point to your three. We saw
massive reductions in the Conservation Reserve Program as you
mentioned, and you have pretty generous insurance programs as
well. And so you put that all together and it is again just
wildlife bears the brunt of that.
And so we have seen the number of acres in Conservation
Reserve go from little, 35-36 million before the RFS; you are
around 25 million right now. Those ten million acres, a lot of
which were providing very important habitat, is roughly
equivalent to the same number that Wisconsin and USDA are
saying went into production. And so, we are losing habitat at
again at the expense--because of government policy we are doing
it ourselves. This isn't market driven. This is government
driven.
Mr. Welch. I really appreciate it. What has been tremendous
about my being involved in this issue was seeing folks who
never thought they would probably be sitting at the same table.
You know, you are here, you are here, you guys actually get
along, you know. Let's take this model and put it in other
places as well. But it is in the farm community it is a
benefit. If you are a corn farmer it is tremendous.
And I am from a dairy state and I love our farmers. They
are literally the hardest working people in Vermont. Nobody
works harder than our farmers, whatever it is. But if you are a
corn farmer it has been helpful, but if you are a feed-using
farmer it has really been a hammer. The margins for our dairy
farmers are really tight, and the grain costs which I
absolutely believe have been affected by 40 percent of corn
going into ethanol has increased their costs and decreased
their security. So I want to thank all the panelists for being
here.
Mr. Coleman. Congressman, could I provide a response on
land or is----
Mr. Welch. I think I am out of time. I am sorry.
Mr. Whitfield. That is OK. Go ahead.
Mr. Coleman. Thank you, Chairman. So there is another side
of this, and as an advocate for advanced biofuels we want to
grow responsibly. And I want to just add for the record a
couple of different things that my colleague to my left and my
colleague a couple seats down has not mentioned. With regard to
the land and the agricultural footprint, one of the reasons
that EPA has not gone through an acute analysis of this is
because the agricultural footprint in this country continues to
decline from an acreage perspective. So I want to correct the
record. That doesn't mean there are not acute problems in
different places, but Mr. O'Mara has suggested that the RFS is
driving the land up and actually the agricultural footprint.
And they have done that analysis. EPA has done that analysis.
The other thing that needs to be mentioned here is there is
a correlation-causation issue here. It is true that
Conservation Reserve acres have gone down since 2008 when the
RFS went in. What is also true is the Conservation Reserve
Program which pays farmers to keep those acres out of
production has been cut from a funding perspective and the
correlation between those acres in existence and being paid to
make sure they are existence is a heck of a lot stronger than
the RFS as the cause for that problem.
Third and final point, my more fundamental issue with folks
who are blaming the RFS for all these land-based problems is
that farmers, which Mr. O'Mara did mention, plant a price. If
you are getting $8 a bushel for corn versus $4, you want to
plant corn. That is not for biofuels. That is I can get $8 for
corn. What drove up the price of corn and all these other
agricultural commodities, if you look at the correlation it is
the increasing price of oil. Why does the price of oil go up?
It is because we don't have alternatives.
And so from a boogeyman perspective, I think with respect
that the biofuels industry is being blamed for things that are
largely the response of markets to higher oil prices that
happened over the last 5 years. Thank you for the opportunity
to provide that.
Mr. Whitfield. So you said overall farmland has not
decreased?
Mr. Coleman. Yes. From year to year USDA with EPA does an
analysis of the U.S. agricultural footprint, and generally for
the last 50 years it has been trending down because agriculture
has gotten more efficient per acre and it continues to trend
down. So there is not an explosion nationally that is
happening. Now if we want to start talking about the seven
million acres I would be happy to converse with my colleague on
that as well.
Mr. Whitfield. Mr. O'Mara, what were you going to say?
Mr. O'Mara. Well, the concern that we have is the virginal
habitat. Again, the habitat that has gone into production the
last few years. I mean, we have lost 1.6 million acres of
native grasslands that is incredibly important habitat for
pheasant hunters and everything else. And so I don't disagree
that the overall that--I do disagree. The USDA data shows the
acres that we are losing for production is actually increasing.
Now there are some acres that are taken out of production.
Since the RFS the acres taken out of production are less than
the acres being put into production, so most of these years so
it is several million acres additional.
But at the end of the day, we are losing forests, prairies,
and wetlands because folks are trying to meet this higher
price, most of which is supported by government. This isn't a
global commodity price that we are creating. The market here is
fundamentally different than other places because of these
price supports and the points that Mr. Welch made.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. Mr.
Griffith, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. Griffith. Well, I am enjoying this discussion
immensely. I have to tell you it is exciting when you have
environmentalists, people who are environmentalists disagreeing
with each other. We heard comment earlier we have Democrats
agreeing with Republicans and Republicans disagreeing with
Republicans and Democrats disagreeing with Democrats. So it is
an interesting discussion. Surely we must be able to find a
balance in there somewhere.
I have to tell you, in my area some of that land is going
out of production. And I can't say it is the only factor, but
one of the factors might be the fact that it is hard to
guarantee from year to year for my cattle farmers and my dairy
farmers that their corn price isn't going to spike, and a big
part of the concern when it does spike is ethanol. And so I
can't say that that is not a legitimate concern.
I also have folks as Ms. Steckel pointed out--nice job--in
her written stuff to my district that my district does produce
some biodiesel. I also had a project that has not been
successful that was taking hamburger grease, or had the plants
take hamburger grease and turn that into biodiesel. I think
that is exciting stuff. So the technology may eventually get
there.
But I am very concerned, Mr. O'Mara, as you may recall from
our previous conversations, I am very concerned that we are
creating problems in the environment and I wish in some ways
that the EPA would play fair, and let me explain.
I come from a coal producing district. They had a guideline
at one point, which was later ruled invalid by the courts, on
water based on a study in a handful of counties in central
Appalachia with about seven or eight, nine species of mayflies
in which one was significantly impacted by runoff water from
the coal mines. If they did the same thing to ethanol, I think
based on what you have told me today, Mr. O'Mara, the EPA might
be up in arms but they haven't done that report. And I believe
your written testimony tells us they are 4 \1/2\ years on a 3-
year program and no plans to get it done.
What can we do to help push them along to get that report
done, because I want the data. I want to see a balance and I
want to see the renewable fuels succeed. I would like to see
more of it come from non-ethanol biodiesel, but at the same
time we are going to have some ethanol out there. I don't think
we should shut it down.
But Mr. O'Mara, what can we do to get the EPA to get us the
data that we need so that we are able as Congress to make
intelligent, appropriate decisions in trying to balance out the
concerns?
Mr. O'Mara. And I thank you for that question and for
everything you do for wildlife. I think this committee has to
demand the report. I think Mr. Welch did, I think you did as
well. I mean, I think there is data. And also we have to send a
very clear signal that when we are asking them to evaluate the
environmental impacts we are not just talking about air. You
have the air administrator here, she is talking about it. And I
am here defending her a lot of times. I have testified before
you several times defending EPA on different issues.
This is indefensible, and I think there is two issues. One
is that they are not looking at the land and water impacts, and
the second is that they are not--this aggregate compliance
approach, we know where coffee comes from. We know where our
trees come from, our paper products come from. We source these
things in every other industry. The idea that we can't know
where the corn is coming from and whether it is from a virgin
prairie or a native prairie or it is coming from land that has
been farmed for 200 years is crazy to me.
We can do a better--because we know that we are fine by
having, if we actually did a good job as long as we are not
taking additional habitat, but wildlife shouldn't have to lose
so a couple of industries can win. I mean that is for me the
bottom line.
Mr. Griffith. Well, I think that is important and I hope
that we can take a look at the effect on the species that you
listed in your report. And I think it is important to underline
again, because it is not just those of us that might like to
watch wildlife, it is also the hunters that are affected. And
you said in your opening statement, and I would like for you to
repeat that if you would just because we don't know what
insomniac might be watching this hearing sometime late at
night. But you gave a number on the ring-necked pheasant hunt
in Iowa.
Mr. O'Mara. Yes.
Mr. Griffith. They are not usually in my area unless there
is a stray. But give those numbers again if you would.
Mr. O'Mara. Yes. So I mean if you went out flushing in Iowa
in 2004, 2005, the bag limit was more than a million; 100,000,
the last couple years. Again there are many factors, but we are
losing a lot of their habitat.
Mr. Griffith. Right.
Mr. O'Mara. No habitat, no birds.
Mr. Griffith. Now do you have any data on the fish species
that might also be impacted? I know Mr. Olson mentioned the
dead zones that might be impacted in part by this expanse of
the cornfields.
Mr. O'Mara. Yes, so I mean on the freshwater side when you
have these algal blooms in places like Lake Erie--walleye,
perch--you are going to see, you are going to see an impact on
bass, and basically they will go somewhere else.
And so the problem is that if you had another panel and you
invited some of the tour boat captains, the folks that are
taking folks out on Lake Erie, it is a death knell for them,
because if you have that amount of runoff coming in and there
is more rain so more is being washed off, they lose their
livelihood.
And so I mean, we have been working with folks in the Great
Lakes that are basically saying, look, like we shouldn't be the
ones that bear the brunt of this because the walleye are gone
because they are going further inland which we can't get to.
Mr. Dinneen. Congressman, can you indulge me just for a
moment of actual agreement?
Mr. Griffith. All right, let us hear it. I have got
agreement here.
Mr. Dinneen. I absolutely agree that it would be a good
idea for EPA to update much of this analysis. We have been
living for years with a carbon analysis that the agency did on
ethanol in 2007 that is just flat out wrong. The science has
demonstrably changed and we would love for the agency to update
that so that we can demonstrate again the significant carbon
benefits.
And I would agree that they ought to do the Triennial
Report as well and look at all the environmental impacts
because we are quite frankly pretty confident that it is going
to show tremendous benefits. I mean, we have talked about what
the impacts might be on water. Indeed, throughout the RFS the
size of the dead zone in the Gulf has been shrinking. I don't
know about Lake Erie, but the one they usually talk about is in
the Gulf and that has been shrinking. Farmers have been getting
far more efficient.
So I agree, let's get the agency to get some of these
analyses updated.
Mr. Griffith. Well, and if I might, Mr. Chairman, if you
would indulge me, I might say that I agree and it might be nice
if the EPA would concentrate on these things that they are
mandatorily supposed to be doing under the code sections
instead of going into areas they are not supposed to be going
into.
I note that there was a court case came out yesterday where
the court said they don't have authority to do what they were
doing regarding fracking. You know, OK, people, do what you are
supposed to do and let us decide where you are supposed to go
do something different. And I would appreciate it if they would
get that done. And I am glad that I was able to bring the
various parties into agreement this morning on that issue if
nothing else, and I appreciate it and yield back.
Mr. Dinneen. Well, the other place I think we would
probably see some agreement is that the agency ought to be
looking at the whole marketplace, because if ethanol as an
oxygenate and octane enhancer goes away where is our next
gallon of fuel going to come from? It is going to come from
fracking, it is going to come from tar sands which also has
their own environmental and land use issues. And so you have
got to look at all of this.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman's time has expired. I might
also mention that the Inspector General has initiated an
investigation over at EPA regarding the RFS which I think looks
like all sides are anxious for them to do what they are
supposed to be doing over there. So I think that is probably a
good development.
And I will recognize myself for 5 minutes of questions and
then--Mr. Thompson, some of your member companies are merchant
refiners that have no blending capacity. So can you describe
just the unique challenges those companies face in complying
with the RFS?
Mr. Thompson. Well, certainly their biggest challenge is
that they are subject to the whims of the RIN market and as RIN
prices go up their cost of compliance goes up. And so for a
merchant refiner this is the number one compliance obstacle.
Mr. Whitfield. OK. And Mr. Teske, Briggs & Stratton has a
nice facility down in Murray, Kentucky, and provides a lot of
jobs as so do our corn growers in Kentucky. And on this small
engine issue of using fuel above E10 of ethanol content, you
say that above E10 it does create damage to these small engines
and primarily because of a heat issue; is that what you were
saying?
Mr. Teske. That is correct. So what happens, Chairman, is
essentially we design engines that are plus or minus a standard
and so where we design them is E5, five percent ethanol. They
can operate from E0 to E10. We can design to whatever plus or
minus five percent would be. The problem is a moving target.
Our concern really comes back to the tens of millions of
engines that are out there. In fact, there are hundreds of
millions of engines that you include all small engines that are
out there. They are not designed to run on anything above E10.
And so it is these consumers who have bought, paid good
money for a piece of equipment and now, they are not going to
get the value and the benefit that they need. So it is the
moving target that is the issue, but to your point, yes. For
the legacy equipment that is out there and everything that is
being produced today, anything above E10 will cause issues
because of heat distorting the components, the materials that
are in the engine, as well as the ethanol attracting water
which causes then ultimately corrosion and bore scoring and
things like that as it relates to the effects of corrosion on
an engine.
Mr. Whitfield. So do you frequently hear from owners of
small engines? Do they come back to you as the manufacturer?
Mr. Teske. They do. And to Congressman Welch's point when
he went to the state fair, people don't know about the effects
of ethanol. And we have done an awful lot of work. We have done
here studies on do people understand what is happening to their
engine, and they don't. They don't understand. They just look
for the cheapest thing or they go for whatever they think they
have been putting in for years. They have an issue. We see more
fuel related issues. And ultimately they come back and they
say, well, this must be a problem, Briggs isn't what they used
to be, and in fact that is not the case. We are making arguably
higher quality engines today than we ever have. In fact I think
we do, we have the evidence. And ultimately we want to make
sure they are getting the value that they paid for, and it is
going to come back at us and they are going to blame us if
there are issues when in fact it is a misfueling problem.
Mr. Whitfield. Mr. Dinneen.
Mr. Dinneen. I would just like Mr. Teske maybe to clarify
something for me if nobody else. These problems you are seeing,
is this with E10 or E15?
Mr. Teske. The problems that we--if I may, Chairman?
Mr. Whitfield. Sure.
Mr. Teske. The problems we see is with ethanol. And so
basically we design the engines to operate on E10, we warrant
to E10. There are more and more fuel related----
Mr. Whitfield. So anything----
Mr. Dinneen. That is my point. If you warrant to E10 you
should not expect an issue with 10 percent ethanol blended
gasoline used in your engines. And if there is there has to be
some other problem. Either they didn't store it and care for it
properly or something else. But you would not expect I would
assume that you would see a problem with E10 if everything was
done properly.
Mr. Teske. May I?
Mr. Whitfield. Yes.
Mr. Teske. This isn't an issue of E10 or caring for the
unit properly. This is we know that when you put higher blends
of ethanol in up to E15 it will destroy the engine. So people
who take care of their products, no question. This isn't a
question of whether they can use E10 or E15. E15 will harm the
engine no matter how well you take care of it. When you go to
E10, E0 to E10, it will operate. You take care of it, it will
operate. We do see more fuel related issues as ethanol
continues, but the fact is, is that our testing shows that E15
will damage an engine.
Mr. Dinneen. And I was not disputing the fact that E15
should not be used in a small engine. I think the question is,
is E15 being used in small engines today, and I think the
overwhelming evidence would be no. As Mr. Thompson pointed out,
E15 is only being sold at 322 stations across the country. So I
just don't see that as driving the kind of problems that he is
talking about. And if----
Mr. Teske. And Chairman Whitfield, if I may?
Mr. Whitfield. Yes.
Mr. Teske. In my written testimony I talk about the fact
that we see E15 in our area simply because we live in Wisconsin
and there is a lot of corn. If you go back and look into the
'70s and the '80s when leaded gasoline transitioned to unleaded
gasoline, there are a lot of issues, a lot of misfueling
problems along the way.
We are trying to avoid that from happening again, and that
is why as we go down in our recommendations to this is
ultimately better education, make sure people understand, and
make sure that there is E10 that is widely available so that
these tens of millions of our engines and hundreds of millions
of engines that are out there can work.
Mr. Whitfield. Mr. Columbus, if I own a small minute market
and I want to put in E85, what would that equipment cost me
roughly?
Mr. Columbus. Mr. Chairman, it will depend on where you are
putting it and where that market is.
Mr. Whitfield. Yes.
Mr. Columbus. If it is in a rural area you are probably
looking--and remember size of the outlet. If you are putting in
a Sheetz or a Wawa it is going to be a couple, $300,000
anywhere. If you are going to have four to six fueling
locations you are probably looking between $50,000 and
$100,000. But if you are looking at an outlet that small
$50,000 to $100,000 is all the money on earth.
Mr. Whitfield. That has--yes.
Mr. Columbus. So unless and until somebody demonstrates
that they can get a return on investment on that money it is
not going to happen.
Mr. Whitfield. OK.
Bobby, do you have any questions?
Mr. Rush. I think I have one question, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman from Illinois is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Mr. Rush. Mr. Dinneen, in your testimony earlier you cited
the successes of the RFS program especially when it comes to
the issue of jobs. And would you elaborate on how this policy
has helped spur the creation of jobs and what impact would
amending or ending this program have on employment?
Mr. Thompson, you can jump in on this if you would. But Mr.
Dinneen, I really want you to--jobs are critical to my
constituents.
Mr. Dinneen. Certainly, Congressman. The U.S. ethanol
industry is responsible for about 380,000 direct and indirect
jobs. Many of those jobs are in agriculture as farmers grow and
deliver the corn. There are certainly high paying jobs, high
tech jobs at the plants themselves.
But what we have seen is that when an ethanol plant is
introduced to a community it revitalizes that rural community
with high paying jobs. I have been to ethanol plant openings
all across the country and, you know, rural America was losing
population. There was no economic development. An ethanol plant
in these areas is an economic engine that revitalizes those
areas in demonstrable ways.
Mr. Rush. Mr. Thompson, do you have anything you want to
add to that?
Mr. Thompson. Well, this shouldn't be about whether we
support jobs. Certainly we all support jobs. My industry
supports over two million jobs. The issue is whether this
should be congressionally mandated, right. As Mr. Dinneen says
he has a thriving industry and that industry should be able to
thrive on its own. It shouldn't have to rely on this, you know,
congressional mandate. So we support the jobs.
Mr. Rush. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Mr. Whitfield. The gentleman yields back, and that would
conclude today's hearing. And I want to thank the witnesses for
being with us today. As I said in the beginning, this was kind
of a status hearing to let everybody air it out and talk about
it from their perspective, and I think we accomplished that. So
I want to thank you very much for your time and effort.
Also I want to enter into the record a letter from the
Advanced Biofuels Association; a letter for the record from
Growth Energy; the National Farmers Union; the National Council
of Chain Restaurants; a statement from Representative Steve
King of Iowa.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. Whitfield. And we will keep the record open for 10
days.
Mr. Rush. Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Whitfield. Yes.
Mr. Rush. I have a report that I would like to enter into
the record. It is the Biotechnology Innovation Organization's
study on greenhouse gas reductions from the RFS.
Mr. Whitfield. Yes. Without objection, we will enter that
into the record as well.
[The information appears at the conclusion of the hearing.]
Mr. Whitfield. Anything else? OK.
OK. Well, thank you all once again. We look forward to
working with you as we move forward and appreciate your time
very much. Thank you.
[Whereupon, at 1:11 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
[Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:]
Prepared statement of Hon. Fred Upton
This committee takes seriously its oversight duties, and
today we will give the Renewable Fuel Standard a much-needed
review. I welcome Environmental Protection Agency Assistant
Administrator Janet McCabe, Energy Information Administration
Deputy Administrator Howard Gruenspecht, as well as a cross
section of stakeholders who will be providing their
perspectives on this program.
It has been 9 years since the RFS was last revised in 2007,
and it goes without saying, much has changed since then.
Widespread fears at the time that America was running out of
oil have been replaced with the reality of rising domestic
production and even the U.S. is now exporting crude oil for the
first time in four decades. Concerns about rising gasoline
demand have been replaced by declines in actual usage, and
assumptions that cellulosic biofuels were just around the
corner have been replaced with very slow development of these
fuels. Overall, we find ourselves in a very different place
today than anticipated when we last legislated changes to the
RFS.
Of course, just because circumstances have changed does not
necessarily mean the RFS needs to be revised, but it does mean
that we should take a careful look at the program. And no
questions or ideas for improvements should be off the table.
One topic that warrants serious discussion is the fate of
the program after 2022. The law sets out the requirements
through 2022, but afterwards it essentially gives the reins to
EPA. I suspect many of us are concerned about having that much
discretion in the hands of unelected bureaucrats, and now is a
good time to start the discussion on potential changes to this
aspect of the RFS.
We all know that there are those who call for complete
repeal of the RFS, and there are those who don't want any
changes at all, even modest ones. But I can't help but think
that if we approach this issue in a bipartisan fashion, that we
can find a path forward for an RFS that works for all the
parties involved--farmers, renewable fuel producers, refiners,
automakers, power equipment makers, and most of all consumers.
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Prepared statement of Hon. Steve King
I want to thank Chairman Whitfield and Ranking Member Rush
for accepting my testimony today on the importance of
maintaining the RFS program.
Energy is at the heart of the American economy. Energy
powers our homes and businesses, and it is vital that America
has access to the most affordable and most extensive sources of
energy possible. Moreover, our national security is also tied
to the energy sector. If we rely on sources of energy that come
from abroad, then we expose our nation to the whims of tyrants
and terrorist sponsoring states. The Renewable Fuel Standard
(RFS) was created with these goals in mind: to promote the
development of affordable, low pollution, domestically produced
fuel sources. Not only have these goals been met thus far, but
the RFS and the work and innovation of our biofuels industry
over the last few decades has allowed the fields that have fed
the world, to fuel it as well.
To examine further the benefits of the RFS, I want to
highlight an academic work done by professors Dermot Hayes of
economics and finance at Iowa State University, and Xiaodong Du
of the Department of Agricultural and Applied Economics at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison. Their analytical report
entitled ``The Impact of Ethanol Production on US and Regional
Gasoline Markets: An Update to May 2009'', showcases the
breathtaking and positive effects that ethanol and the RFS have
had for the American economy. Their work concluded that in 2010
alone the effect of ethanol being blended into the fuel market
lowered the price of the average gallon of gasoline by $0.89,
saving Americans around $120 billion per year at the pump. They
also concluded that if ethanol were suddenly removed from the
fuel market altogether, the resulting gasoline price spike
would be between 41% and 92%, crippling the US economy and
almost certainly plunging our fragile economy back into
recession.
Beyond the substantial economic benefits for American
families, a Congressional Research report from 2012 asserts
that in the first six years after the implementation of the RFS
oil imports declined by 33%. Furthermore, this report forecasts
that over the next 20 years US oil imports will be less than a
third of what they would have been expected to be prior to
passage of the RFS. This dramatic decrease in imported oil
helps to safeguard the national security interests of the
United States by insulating our economy from the supply shocks
and price volatility that is intrinsic to the world's petroleum
market. Due to the irregularity of global production of crude
and refined petroleum products, a reliance on these goods for
energy exposes our nation to possible catastrophe. The oil
crisis of the 1970s and the resulting stagflation serve as a
warning and a reminder of the danger of relying on a 100%
petroleum mandate. The oil crisis of the 1970s also reminds us
of the damage that Iran, a known state sponsor of terrorism,
can inflict on the US by manipulating their oil production. The
RFS has tremendously reduced the amount of US dollars that have
been sent to terrorist sponsoring nations, such as the Islamic
Republic of Iran. There is no serious doubt that if we had the
RFS and our present biofuels industry in the 1970s, it would
have substantially mitigated the very serious damage to our
economy while, at the same time, limited or even eliminated the
Great Farm Crisis of the 1980s.
In my home of Iowa we all know the benefits of biofuels
that I have outlined here, but unfortunately not everyone does.
This is why I have championed the fight to maintain the
original volumes of biofuels in the RFS. The biofuels industry
has created countless American jobs and has spurred economic
growth across our country. The biofuels sector has directly
added $5.6 billion of GDP and 62,000 jobs to the state of Iowa
alone. In Iowa we produced about 30% of the nation's ethanol,
saving Americans tens of billions of dollars at the pump each
year. Furthermore, we can thank the ethanol industry for having
reduced the annual carbon footprint of the United States by the
equivalent of 27 million cars. It is thus imperative that the
RFS not only continue to remain a policy of the United States,
but one that is administered in accordance with established
law.
Unfortunately, this Administration, in a blatant violation
of Congress's Article I authority and in contravention of
established US law, has begun to alter the RFS based on biased
and arbitrary positions. Whether or not you agree with the
plethora of hard science and academic work that illustrates the
positive effects of the RFS, we must stand firm against the
abuse of the program by this administration. It is with this in
mind that I must stand in opposition to H.R. 5180, a bill that
would reward this administration by enshrining into law the
very abuse that this President has committed thus far. H.R.
5180 would grant legal cover to the EPA to continue its
currently illegal policy of arbitrarily reducing the level of
biofuels in America's fuel economy. The effect of this bill
would be to undo the progress of the biofuels industry and the
RFS thus far. The President's abuse of the program has already
stunted economic and job growth, leaving fuel prices high, and
our nation more susceptible to foreign manipulation of the oil
markets. H.R. 5180 would raise the petroleum mandate to 90.3%,
weakening the United States and increasing the probability of
another oil and economic crisis, similar to that of the 1970s.
H.R. 5180 would only serve to aid this President in these
endeavors, and to weaken our nation.
I urge Congress to preserve our Article I authority, and
hold firm to established law. It's time to reaffirm our support
of the RFS; a program that has improved the quality of life of
every American, and strengthened our national security. The RFS
has been great for Iowa and great for America. It is the only
tool that provides market access to ethanol and other renewable
fuels so they can be sold in competition with the petroleum
industry, which has benefited from a century of Federal
subsidies and support. It strengthens our national security,
decreases our dependence on foreign sources of energy, gives
consumers lower cost options at the pump, and creates jobs for
Americans. To weaken, reduce, or eliminate the RFS, as HR 5180
does, moves the US in the direction of a 100% petroleum
mandate.
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