[Senate Hearing 110-487]
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S. Hrg. 110-487
HOST COMMUNITIES: ANALYZING THE ROLE AND NEEDS OF COMMUNITIES THAT TAKE
IN DISASTER EVACUEES IN THE WAKE OF MAJOR DISASTERS AND CATASTROPHES
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HEARING
before the
AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE ON DISASTER RECOVERY
of the
COMMITTEE ON
HOMELAND SECURITY AND
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
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DECEMBER 3, 2007
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FIELD HEARING IN BATON ROUGE, LOUISIANNA
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COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman
CARL LEVIN, Michigan SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii TED STEVENS, Alaska
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio
MARK L. PRYOR, Arkansas NORM COLEMAN, Minnesota
MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana TOM COBURN, Oklahoma
BARACK OBAMA, Illinois PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico
CLAIRE McCASKILL, Missouri JOHN WARNER, Virginia
JON TESTER, Montana JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire
Michael L. Alexander, Staff Director
Brandon L. Milhorn, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel
Trina Driessnack Tyrer, Chief Clerk
AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE ON DISASTER RECOVERY
MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana, Chairman
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware TED STEVENS, Alaska
MARK L. PRYOR, Arkansas PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico
Donny Williams, Staff Director
Aprille Raabe, Minority Staff Director
Amanda Fox, Chief Clerk
C O N T E N T S
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Opening statements:
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Senator Landrieu............................................. 1
WITNESSES
Monday, December 3, 2007
Melvin ``Kip'' Holden, Mayor President, East Baton Rouge Parish,
Louisiana...................................................... 4
Randy Roach, Mayor, Lake Charles, Louisiana...................... 6
Mayson H. Foster, Mayor, City of Hammond, Louisiana.............. 8
Mary Hawkins-Butler, Mayor, City of Madison, Mississippi......... 10
Sid Hebert, Sheriff, Iberia Parish, Louisiana.................... 20
Robert A. Eckles, Former County Judge, Harris County, Texas...... 22
Raymond A. Jetson, Chief Executive Officer, Louisiana Family
Recovery Corps................................................. 27
Kim Boyle, Chairman, Louisiana Recovery Authority Health Care
Committee...................................................... 30
Greg Davis, Commissioner, Cajundome, and Chairman, IAAM Shelter
Task Force..................................................... 33
Alphabetical List of Witnesses
Boyle, Kim:
Testimony.................................................... 30
Prepared statement........................................... 86
Davis, Greg:
Testimony.................................................... 33
Prepared statement........................................... 100
Eckles, Robert A.:
Testimony.................................................... 22
Prepared statement........................................... 70
Foster, Mayson H.:
Testimony.................................................... 8
Prepared statement........................................... 53
Hawkins-Butler, Mary:
Testimony.................................................... 10
Prepared statement........................................... 62
Hebert, Sid:
Testimony.................................................... 20
Prepared statement........................................... 67
Holden, Melvin ``Kip'':
Testimony.................................................... 4
Prepared statement........................................... 41
Jetson, Raymond A.:
Testimony.................................................... 27
Prepared statement........................................... 77
Roach, Randy:
Testimony.................................................... 6
Prepared statement with an attachment........................ 46
HOST COMMUNITIES: ANALYZING THE ROLE AND NEEDS OF COMMUNITIES THAT TAKE
IN DISASTER EVACUEES IN THE WAKE OF MAJOR DISASTERS AND CATASTROPHES
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MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2007
U.S. Senate,
Ad Hoc Subcommittee on Disaster Recovery,
of the Committee on Homeland Security
and Governmental Affairs,
Baton Rouge, Louisianna
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2 p.m., in the
Old State Capitol Building, 100 North Boulevard, Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, Hon. Mary Landrieu, Chairman of the Subcommittee,
presiding.
Present: Senator Landrieu.
OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LANDRIEU
Senator Landrieu. The Subcommittee will come to order.
During Hurricane Katrina, first responders took Kemberly
Samuels and her husband to Interstate 610, a highway overpass
in downtown New Orleans where they had been evacuating local
residents. Local authorities had identified only one official
drop-off point, at an intersection of Interstate 10 and the
Lake Pontchartrain Causeway known as the Cloverleaf, about 2
miles away. It was also the only rescue point where they had
positioned food, water, and medicine. This is how Ms. Samuels
explained her experience: ``There were people lined up as far
as I could see. I saw one 9-year-old boy try to drag his
grandmother up the interstate on a blanket. She was too weak to
make it on her own. I tried to get them help, but none of the
officials would help them. It was so hot you wouldn't believe.
We went for a while without water, and when it finally did get
there they just started throwing it at the crowd. People were
fighting over it, and I did not want to get in the middle of
that. They did the same thing with the MREs [Meals Ready to
Eat].''
Another story of one of our constituents is Bobbie Moreau.
Bobbie Moreau was a legal secretary in Plaquemines Parish who
was evacuated during Hurricane Katrina to West Jefferson
Hospital. ``Barefoot, no purse, no money, no shoes,'' Moreau
recalled. ``My daughter went in with the baby. I sat on the
curb and just cried.'' Soon, they were moved to a shelter.
``There were over 100 people in one room. The heat was
incredible, could not go outside with the baby because of the
mosquitoes. We fanned her all night.'' Moreau asked the
National Guard if she could leave with her family, but they
warned that they couldn't leave. She said that they thought the
baby would die, so they just walked out to get help.
They went on to live at a friend's house. They broke into
the house, cooled the baby off; they took a shower, ate food,
and then siphoned gas out of his boat 2 gallons at a time to
put it in the truck. ``I left him a letter with my nephew's
phone number in Arkansas. The only clothes he had that would
fit us were boxer shorts and a T-shirt, so that is what we left
in. We went across the Sunshine Bridge [across the Mississippi
River], got to Prairieville, and my nephew picked us up. We
have had a hard time since then, but we made it.''
These are just two of thousands of stories that we have
heard not just in this State but around the Nation about what
happened in the aftermaths of the two storms and the
devastation that followed in the history of the Nation. We are
aware of thousands of others who found shelter and welcoming
arms and open arms as well, which these mayors will testify to.
But there has not been a displacement of people this large
since the Civil War, and this Subcommittee and many other
committees of the Congress are struggling with ways that we can
be better prepared in the future.
So I have convened this Subcommittee to underscore one of
the most significant challenges during and after any disaster:
The role and needs of communities that take in these disaster
evacuees--just like Kemberly Samuels, just like the story of
Bobbie Moreau, and thousands and thousands of others like them.
This is the seventh public hearing of this Subcommittee, as
I have said. These hearings are intended to look into the laws
and policies that govern our response to all disasters. Many of
these hearings in the past have focused on Hurricanes Katrina
and Rita because they highlighted the deficiencies in our
response planning.
These stories are just the beginning of a longer, arduous
process to rebuild the lives of these disaster victims and
others. In the aftermath of the 2005 storms, citizens of the
Gulf Coast were shipped, literally--by rail, by bus, by air--
all over the country. More than 200,000 found immediate refuge
right here in Baton Rouge, our capital city, and evacuees
almost doubled the population of Baton Rouge at the time, and
we will hear from Mayor Holden about the impact that caused to
this community.
More than 304,000 people, according to FEMA estimates, were
evacuated to Houston, Texas; more than 80,000 to Jackson,
Mississippi; and these other mayors can tell the numbers from
their cities.
In addition to the failure at many levels of different
government responses, it became clear that the Stafford Act was
unsuited to deal with the massive migration of individuals away
from their homes, communities, jobs, hospitals, schools, and
neighborhoods for an extended period of time. It became clear
to many of us that the government had never really asked this
question: What do we do with a million people who cannot return
home and will be away from their homes for an extended period
of time? Over a million people. That question evidently had
never been asked before. That is the question that is being
asked today. What can we do? How can we make that work better?
``Host Communities'' like Baton Rouge, Houston, Lake
Charles, Hammond, and Madison, Mississippi, were called upon
when the Federal Government failed to provide the resources. In
some instances, the Federal Government worked as a good
partner; in others, they left gaping holes that these mayors
had to step up and fill. They set up systems to feed and clothe
and help evacuees find lost family members. They provided
health services to evacuees, many of whom lacked documentation
or even proper identification.
The challenge for host communities is to provide services
to people who are at the apex of distress and to help orient
them after a tremendously disorienting experience, to say the
least. Host communities are charged with providing a sense of
calm to individuals who are frustrated, confused, traumatized,
and displaced, and in many instances injured and unemployed.
They must also decide where to place individuals, how to
provide educational opportunities to uprooted children, how to
integrate new citizens into the workforce and communities, how
to relieve new strains on transportation and transit systems,
and how to navigate the sometimes mind-numbing Federal
processes in their efforts to get this done.
Host communities must also have the resources to identify
those that have evacuated to their communities but did not
report to shelters. They must be able to account for evacuees
like Bobbie Moreau, who fled to a friend's house rather than a
shelter.
Section 403 of the Stafford Act, which authorizes most of
the Federal Government disaster assistance programs, offers aid
to regions and residents in a designated, presidentially
declared disaster area. Individuals and households who flee the
disaster area remain eligible for assistance, but communities
that take in evacuees are left without adequate resources to
provide for those evacuees. The Stafford Act does not
appropriately account for their critical role, and hopefully
this hearing will begin to build the basis to fix this glaring
inequity in our law.
While the law accounts for the immediate needs of host
communities, including shelter, food, and other needs, it does
not account for a situation where evacuees cannot return home
for an extended period of time.
Just as so many American cities in the southern part of the
United States have absorbed large numbers of evacuees from
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, so too would areas of West
Virginia and Pennsylvania in the event of a dirty bomb attack
on our Nation's capital or the Northeastern States in the wake
of a WMD attack on New York City. We must be prepared, and we
are currently not.
Mass migration is an inevitable consequence of a
catastrophe, be it natural or manmade, and our Nation's
Government must broaden its thinking about this policy area as
we work to reform our approach toward emergency management and
disaster recovery.
I am committed, as these mayors know, to increasing
awareness of the impact of catastrophes on their communities
and hundreds like them around the country that have generously
stepped forward to help. We want to hear their stories. We want
to understand their questions. We want to take their
suggestions and turn it into a law that works better for them,
for the evacuees, and as a greater testament to our great
Nation.
So I look forward to hearing from our witnesses. I have
heard their stories personally many times, and I thought it
only appropriate to actually have a formal hearing to take
their testimony so it could become part of the Congressional
Record as we rewrite the parts of the Stafford Act that have
been shown to be wholly inadequate to the experience that we
experienced 2\1/2\ years ago, but in large measure are
continuing to struggle with today.
So with that, let me ask Mayor Kip Holden of Baton Rouge if
he would give his opening statement. Please keep it to 5
minutes, as pre-arranged, and then we will move down the panel
from there.
TESTIMONY OF MELVIN ``KIP'' HOLDEN,\1\ MAYOR-PRESIDENT, EAST
BATON ROUGE PARISH, LOUISIANA
Mr. Holden. Thank you. Good afternoon. I am Kip Holden,
Mayor-President of East Baton Rouge Parish, and I would like to
welcome the Ad Hoc Subcommittee on Disaster Recovery to Baton
Rouge for this hearing. I would especially like to take this
opportunity to thank my good friend Senator Mary Landrieu for
convening this field hearing to listen to the unique
perspectives of cities that hosted those whose lives were
devastated by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
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While the impact on our communities was not the devastation
our neighbors to the south suffered, our own resources were,
nevertheless, strained and our lives impacted in ways that had
never been experienced before in history. On behalf of the
citizens of Baton Rouge and East Baton Rouge Parish, I would
like to thank you for hearing from us and for sharing this
information with the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs. It is our hope that our government will
take measures to assure us all that we never again experience
the response we saw from the Federal Government in the
aftermath of the hurricanes that hit South Louisiana in 2005.
If you will permit me to take you back for a minute to that
time, I will attempt to relate to you the impact of these
storms and these events on East Baton Rouge Parish.
Following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, an estimated 250,000
people sought shelter in our city of Baton Rouge. The results
were a tremendous strain on housing, traffic, schools,
hospitals, and service providers.
From the standpoint of our Administration, we balanced the
needs of a vibrant capital city with aggressive plans for
development and revitalization of our downtown and riverfront,
with the need to be compassionate neighbors to a quarter of a
million traumatized and displaced citizens.
One option we have pursued in Baton Rouge to put more
affordable housing stock into the market has been to work with
nonprofit developers and the faith-based community to provide
grants and low-interest housing loans. More funding through HUD
should be made available through CDBG dollars. Under the
formula used by the State, Baton Rouge received a very small
percentage of allocated dollars. The formula used by the State
and approved by HUD basically deprived the local developers of
providing affordable housing and mixed-income housing. The same
held through for getting housing tax credits through the
Louisiana Housing Finance Authority. It was a formula derived
as if no residents from New Orleans or surrounding parishes
were living in Baton Rouge.
Our experience was that the community development block
grants are the most efficient manner of providing assistance to
the cities dealing with the aftermath of a major disaster. Our
parish has a consolidated plan in place for using these funds;
however, Federal dollars could be more effective if provided
with greater flexibility on how those dollars are spent.
You have already mentioned one situation, Senator, and I
will repeat it again. I am sure it will come as no surprise to
you that those of us who served on the frontline of disaster
response following Hurricane Katrina believe the Stafford Act
should be updated in light of the government response.
My experience is that the Stafford Act is too restrictive
in limiting funding to areas that have suffered physical
damage. Our city was significantly affected by a tremendous
population shift, with our service providers strained to serve
human needs. Yet we are faced with fighting for funds because
we have for the most part recovered from the physical damage
but still face serious problems caused by the aftermath.
In the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the Baton
Rouge area experienced traffic growth we had not projected for
25 years. For a capital city that was already experiencing
severe traffic congestion, the influx of a displaced population
resulted in traffic counts that showed a 35- to 40-percent
increase in traffic, with frequent gridlock on our surface
streets.
With our interstate system serving as a major evacuation
route, traffic around Baton Rouge quite literally ground to a
halt.
We have not waited for the Federal Government to solve our
problems. Only 2 months after Hurricane Katrina, the voters of
East Baton Rouge Parish passed our first bond election in 40
years to fund a ``Green Light Program'' of street improvements
that address short-term and long-term solutions.
In May of this year, we kicked off a regional effort--and
we are glad that you are a partner in this regional effort--to
build the Baton Rouge Loop, a traffic loop supported by the
parish leadership of five surrounding parishes that is being
designed to relieve traffic congestion. Through new financing
options and legislation that will allow public-private
partnerships and tolls for financing alternatives, we are
taking an exciting new regional approach to transportation
planning.
While the volunteer medical response to victims of
Hurricane Katrina was unprecedented in Red Cross history, it
was severely hindered by inadequate communications, limited
resources, and red tape.
Prepositioned Federal assets critical to the operations of
our area hospitals were never received. Resources from the
Strategic National Stockpile, despite our requests, were never
locally deployed and were derailed due to paperwork issues.
Area hospitals were faced with serious reimbursement needs
for depleted resources. Many of the patients treated at our
area hospitals were uninsured and underinsured, so the impact
on our hospitals was tremendous, and even today the waiting
time in an emergency room has gone from 1 to 2 hours to 6 to 8
hours.
Our recommendations for improving the level of emergency
response following a major catastrophic event: Address the
shortcomings of the Stafford Act to provide greater flexibility
in providing support to host cities that are impacted by the
influx of evacuees from a major disaster; Provide a single
point of entry for those who are homeless to streamline access
to food, shelter, job services, and access to health care; and
safe havens for those who are in need of substance abuse
treatment or mental health services; and Help us build healthy
communities where public transportation meets the needs of the
community and smart growth strategies are utilized to provide
mixed-income housing options with health care and recreational
opportunities located nearby; and where we can encourage
public-private partnerships to rehabilitate old properties to
bring them back online.
To all those who found shelter in Baton Rouge, our message
was simple: Our hearts went out to them; our homes opened to
them; our businesses served them; our city cared for them.
This is the legacy of the Baton Rouge community and East
Baton Rouge Parish. But our city was impacted. Today, as we
look at disasters that could occur, it may be a hurricane, it
may be flooding, it may be tornadoes, it may be earthquakes.
But we stand united that we speak with one voice, regardless of
our locations, regardless of the States, and say that we need
help. And we thank you for your help and thank the Members of
the Subcommittee. Together let us move forward. Thank you and
God bless you.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mayor Roach from
Lake Charles, welcome.
TESTIMONY OF RANDY ROACH,\1\ MAYOR, LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA
Mr. Roach. Senator Landrieu, thank you very much for the
opportunity to make this presentation this afternoon. We
appreciate very much the leadership that you have shown in the
last 2 years in working with communities all across the coast
as we look at not only disaster recovery but also we look at
the problems that are facing us as we look forward to the
seasons ahead. So we appreciate very much your interest in this
area.
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\1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Roach with an attachment appears
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I am tempted at this point simply to say ``Ditto'' to what
my good friend Mayor Kip Holden has said. But I am going to
share with you, I think, a little bit different perspective, a
little different aspect of what communities go through when we
talk about hurricane evacuation and disaster response.
Hurricane evacuations are nothing new to Southwest
Louisiana. We have been in the sheltering business since 1957
when Hurricane Audrey struck Cameron Parish, our neighbor to
the south, and killed over 500 people. The number may not sound
as significant as some of the numbers we have heard when we
talk about Hurricane Katrina, but that was almost 10 percent of
the population of that parish. The residents of Cameron who
lived through that tragedy rarely have to be told to evacuate.
Even in the approach of a tropical storm, they evacuate. They
know what can happen, and they know what they need to do.
The Red Cross has been an indispensable ally for our
community in handling the sheltering operations. Without their
help and assistance we would not be able to do what we do for
the people who need our help.
Shelters are very public operations. Most of the people who
use shelters cannot afford a place to stay or cannot afford to
find a place to stay. They are from the very young to the very
old, those who are able-bodied and those who are not. They need
food, water, medical care, and other essential services.
Our evacuation experience in connection with Hurricane
Katrina began like most other events. We had sheltered around
900 people from New Orleans at our Civic Center 2 years before
in response to Hurricane Ivan. That operation went very well,
and we were more than happy to be able to help once again.
Normally, a sheltering operation lasts for around a maximum of
3 days. Although we do our best to provide a comfortable
shelter, there is very little privacy. People sleep on the
bedding that they bring or whatever we can provide in an open
area. There are no private rooms. Most families stay together
in a spot that they find for themselves. And most people are
more than ready to leave once the all-clear is given.
Although our Hurricane Katrina sheltering operation began
normally, it dramatically changed on day two when we realized
what was happening in the city of New Orleans. Our Civic Center
operation quickly grew from around 900 people to over 2,000
people. It eventually exceeded 3,000. We did not want to turn
anybody away. But before it was all over, our newspaper
described the community response to the effort as one of our
city's finest hours.
Evacuee immediate needs include not only shelter but food,
bedding, clothing, bathrooms and facilities for personal
hygiene, laundry facilities, and accommodations for pets. When
it was apparent that Hurricane Katrina evacuees were going to
stay longer than 3 days, we had to address several issues:
Security, because a shelter of more than a few hundred people
quickly becomes a community in and of itself; entertainment;
medicine, medical and counseling services; communications for
ways to contact families; money, because many evacuees cannot
even access their bank accounts; transportation for a variety
of services; legal assistance; access to government agencies;
and babies--babies did not wait to be born, and babies had to
come, and we had to find a place for Mama and the baby.
Many evacuees did not have identification or birth
certificates or documents to validate their applications for
assistance. Schools for students with books and supplies and
uniforms; had to help people find jobs, had to arrange for mail
delivery. But from the community, we had an overwhelming
response: Amounts of food and clothing--local relief agencies
donated a thousand mattresses. The city set up computer
terminals so evacuees could apply for assistance. Local
industries and businesses provided volunteers with help in food
preparation and service. Churches provided transportation
service. The chamber provided job assistance. Local officials
assisted with FEMA applications. Families volunteered to take
care of people they did not know. A task force was made up of
local agencies and officials from across the area. They
established their own website, and the United Way and the
American Press established a community fund with donations to
help support the effort.
There are several challenges when you face a sheltering
operation of the magnitude that we had to deal with. When you
care for people, you take on an awesome responsibility. It is
like having people come to stay in your house only you do not
get to do the inviting and you do not know what they are going
to need when they get there and you do not know how long they
are going to stay. The capacity of our local service
organizations was stretched to the limit. The 211 volunteer
agency number could not handle the influx of calls.
But in spite of all of that, I can tell you that if we had
to do it all over again, we would do it all over again. But the
assistance we need from the Federal Government is assistance in
the form of being able to provide the services, boots on the
ground. And what needs to happen is that those Federal agencies
that are charged with the responsibility of providing
assistance need to be able to respond quickly to our requests
for assistance. They need to be able to anticipate that need
and respond when asked.
So we would ask that the Federal Government consider what
it can do to assist us in covering the awesome cost of
providing the services that need to be provided to people in
these types of situations.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Now we will hear
from Mayor Foster from Hammond.
TESTIMONY OF MAYSON H. FOSTER,\1\ MAYOR, CITY OF HAMMOND,
LOUISIANA
Mr. Foster. It is an extreme honor for me to be here,
Senator. I thank you for the invitation to come, and may I say,
``Ditto, ditto.''
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There has been much that has been written about what
actually happened during Hurricane Katrina and immediately
after. There are so many stories about nonprofit organizations
and individuals that stepped forward to provide services. But I
think today our goal is to look forward, not look back.
Please understand that I am making this presentation--and
you alluded to this, Senator--on behalf of hundreds, if not
thousands of small communities across the Nation that have
experienced what we have under some other circumstances. I feel
also that I represent the Northshore of Lake Pontchartrain
because we have seen unprecedented growth. Our area has changed
overnight. We expected growth over time, but we experienced 20
years of movement in just a few weeks.
Today, we have been asked to present three challenges that
we are facing, and to me, without a doubt, those three
challenges are transportation, housing, and the ability to deal
with Federal agencies.
Anyone that has come to the Northshore has seen firsthand
the traffic congestion because of roads that were not planned
for this influx of people. Senator, you have been in our area.
You have seen the traffic tie-ups. If anyone goes from this
area to New Orleans or to the Gulf Coast, I invite them to go
by the way of Interstate 12 through Hammond, past Covington,
and on to Slidell. And if you really feel adventuresome, you
can get off on Highway 190 in Covington where sometimes traffic
is backed up for as long as 2 hours.
In Tangipahoa Parish and on the Northshore, we have no
public transportation system, and many of those that were sent
here for emergency living came with nothing except the shirts
on their backs. In cases of disaster, our country must be ready
to give peripheral areas immediate funding for infrastructure
and to meet those transportation needs.
Housing. Our city has determined that to continue to
attract business and industry as well as to meet the needs of
those moving to our area require housing. Mayor Holden alluded
to this, but we have a little different take on things. The
city of Hammond has completed a housing study that can be
viewed on our website, www.hammond.org, and in the city of
Hammond, our whole goal is to provide housing needs to our
citizens utilizing homeownership, particularly workforce
housing for middle-class Americans, not just affordable
housing.
Today, the Federal Government makes available to developers
significant tax credits to provide affordable housing, but
these tax credits are offered only for the purpose of
constructing lease units. If this Subcommittee takes nothing
else away from my testimony, I would ask you to please, please,
please consider authorizing a portion of those tax credits for
developers who desire to make properties available for purchase
for homeowners. These tax credits could be acquired either by
the homeowner, the developer of the property, or by grants to
governmental units who had entered into cooperative endeavor
agreements with nonprofit organizations. This would enhance the
quality of life for all, including the evacuees to our area.
Governmental liaison. Last, it is imperative, as Mayor
Roach said, that the Federal Government develop standards for
action within Federal agencies when a disaster occurs. As our
Parish President Gordon Burgess has said, host communities
should be given more consideration to Federal resources,
especially in terms of equipment and facilities, because we,
the smaller communities, assume the roles, responsibilities,
and liabilities of larger communities by accommodating their
displaced residents, with no follow-up resources.
We have made much of the shortcomings of FEMA, and we are
not here today to knock that agency. But, FEMA has a pretty
good guidebook on the disaster declaration process. The
challenge that they had was that they did not follow their own
guidebook. We had extreme difficulty when every ``I'' was not
dotted or every ``T'' was not crossed. Local authorities should
be allowed to use alternative solutions if they are found to be
more efficient and at less expense than indicated in Federal
policy guidelines.
The city of Hammond had 90 percent of our debris removed
within 30 days at a cost of about one-third of what the Corps
of Engineers were charging. Given the ability to act, local
government can be much more efficient.
I thank the Subcommittee for coming to Baton Rouge today to
hear our challenges. I encourage you to review our written
submittals that contain much more detail than the time allotted
today. It is a beautiful day in Baton Rouge, and it is a
beautiful day in Hammond, Louisiana. The best is yet to come,
but just like our LSU Tigers, we will meet the challenge.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mayor Foster, and I really
appreciate the specifics of your remarks.
Mayor Butler, we welcome you from Mississippi, and you are
mayor of a small town of how many?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. Around 14,000.
Senator Landrieu. Around 14,000. Welcome.
TESTIMONY OF MARY HAWKINS-BUTLER,\1\ MAYOR, CITY OF MADISON,
MISSISSIPPI
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. Well, thank you, Senator, and I thank
you for the opportunity to share with you some of the
experiences that we had as a small town as a host community for
Hurricane Katrina evacuees.
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\1\ The prepared statement of Ms. Hawkins-Butler appears in the
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There was no doubt that our resources were limited, but
there was a call, and we as a community and a team pulled
together to answer that call and to get the job done. We have
always prided ourselves in a community that plans and to try to
prepare ourselves for whatever we face, whether it is in
providing services to our community or in a disaster. We also
know that the most critical element in an emergency, natural or
manmade, is to have that plan.
The use of the Unified Incident Command System is very
important to a smooth and uninterrupted flow of government
services. Proper training of all city personnel, including
elected officials, allows the department heads to concentrate
on operational issues in a timely manner while the city leaders
deal with the terms of policy nature. It is important that
plans are in place to accept and provide for the arrival of
evacuees seeking shelter from harm's way. As leaders, we must
plan for the services and protection of our citizenry, and it
is imperative that emergency planning is part of the process.
It is vital to be ahead of the curve, to have emergency
declarations in place that will allow the implementation of
emergency measures to keep law and order, and to allow actions
that can expedite resources to meet the needs of the community
and evacuees.
In August 2005, the city of Madison's plan kicked in.
Forty-eight hours before the landfall of Katrina, our forces
were meeting to ready the city for the worst-case scenario. The
rest is history.
When assessing our Nation's worst natural disaster and the
role our community played, one of the greatest challenges was
providing safe and sufficient shelters for the masses. Every
aspect of the evacuees' needs must be considered, such as
sleeping accommodations, food, water, immediate medical needs,
long-term medical needs, health and hygiene, communication
needs--yes, right down to the washing of your clothes.
Social service, such as counseling, was provided to cope
with the trauma. The details of accurate records were a must so
families separated could be reunited. The complex, logistical
needs to mount such an exercise became even more challenging,
and sustainability of these efforts grew into weeks instead of
days.
As the relocation time of the evacuees increased, support
such as housing beyond a shelter, school for displaced
children, employment, and vehicle issues became mind-boggling.
For example, the simple task of renewing auto insurance during
a time of extended shelter living can create questions that no
one can answer.
The ability for people displaced to quickly establish a new
address in order to receive mail and information is critical.
The need for a new address is important in the direct deposits
of funds, such as retirement and benefit payments. It is
understandable that the focus of one's attention has been on
the large-scale movement of evacuees to larger cities. However,
it must be remembered and recognized that smaller communities
such as Madison and Natchez, Hattiesburg, and Purvis,
Mississippi, also became homes for our displaced coastal
residents.
We hope that lessons learned from these hearings may filter
down and be used to assist smaller communities in preparing and
caring for those in need. We hope the tools will be provided at
the local level so we can get our job done. The local level is
where you reach out and touch and make a difference, and we
need those resources to make that difference. We learned from
experience, and we have seen that experience and experienced
that experience, and together we build.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you very much.
I do have a number of questions, and please feel free in
the time we have to answer them. But was there ever a time that
any of you were designated officially as a host community? Do
you remember when that designation took place or how it took
place? Any of you can comment about that.
Mr. Holden. Well, FEMA came in, and first they had this
two-tier area where you had parishes that received most of the
damage. That was seven. They expanded that number, which then
brought Baton Rouge in as one of the cities that should have
been eligible for help. But the expansion basically was on
paper with no action behind it.
Senator Landrieu. And when did that expansion take place?
Do you remember?
Mr. Holden. This took place, frankly, around maybe 4
months, 5 months after the storm.
Senator Landrieu. So it took until 5 months after the storm
for basically you, as a mayor, to even believe that you had any
recognition from the Federal Government as a host city.
Mr. Holden. Correct, other than some reimbursement costs
that we got, and anybody in any of our agencies can tell you
the paperwork that you have to go through for reimbursement
costs was really unbelievable. Other than those costs, that was
it for what we got, and even those were not timely coming back
to local governments.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Roach, do you remember when they
first let you know that you were actually a host community and
that some additional resources might be brought to bear for
that purpose?
Mr. Roach. It was several weeks after the event. I don't
remember exactly when that was. I think it was when everybody
realized that this was going to be a long-term process, the
evacuation process. Of course, our situation was a little bit
different. We hosted the hurricane evacuees from Hurricane
Katrina for about 3 weeks, and then we had our own situation to
deal with.
Senator Landrieu. And then you all had to evacuate all
3,000 plus your constituents for Hurricane Rita.
Mr. Roach. Correct.
Senator Landrieu. And so you served temporarily as a host
community, but then you actually were part of the catastrophe
yourself because you were in the eye, generally in the eye of
Hurricane Rita.
Mr. Roach. Right. But we never really stopped sheltering.
We continued a sheltering operation all the way through, and
actually I think we were one of the last cities in the State to
actually close the sheltering operation. It was several weeks
after both storms passed that we actually closed our final
sheltering location.
Senator Landrieu. This is an interesting notion that I am
not sure anybody has really understood, that in this case you
could be both a disaster site and a host community at one and
the same time, which is basically Lake Charles and some of the
communities served first as hosts, but because of really just
the coincidence, very unfortunate coincidence of another storm
hitting, they became a disaster location themselves.
Mayor Foster, do you remember any specific time where you
were notified that you, in fact, were a host community and
additional help----
Mr. Foster. Yes, ma'am. We were never notified that we were
a host city. There is a big difference between entitlement
cities and non-entitlement cities, and this was one of the
things that I brought out in my written testimony, that cities
between 5,000 and 25,000, which we are, which Madison is, are
oftentimes sort of left out of information. I can tell you that
we are the largest city in Tangipahoa Parish. We were not
notified as being a host city.
Senator Landrieu. Were you, Mayor Butler?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. No, Senator, we were not. We basically
took it upon ourselves to open our doors by establishing a
mobile command post at the interstate, putting up signs, and
created an information center for the metro area. So we were
basically designated as the point of information for evacuees.
Senator Landrieu. How did you ascertain from the very
earliest hours or days the actual number of people that were
moving into your area? Did you have confidence that the system
that you were either trained with or was delivered to you to
use was accurate so when people would ask you, Mayor, how many
people are in Baton Rouge tonight, did you feel confident that
you could tell them?
Mr. Holden. Not really, because, I mean, even today we are
asking for a real census count, and they want to do this
mathematical extrapolation in order to come up with a formula.
Some have used and talked about using the number of people who
filed their income tax returns. The post office uses a separate
system.
So what we did have, I guess, our hands on was the fact of
we basically logged in every center that housed evacuees, and
so through our emergency preparedness unit, we were able to do
that. But at the same time, FEMA had a number of people housed
at local hotels. So we could then extrapolate that information
to go along with what we have, but still, there was a count
that was not there because easily people will tell you they
took in 10 and 15 people into their homes, and a lot of those
individuals, some have stayed there even until today.
So there are still a number out there, LSU students,
Southern students, Baton Rouge Community College students, the
number of people actually brought in and treated at LSU for
triage, at the PMAC Center. I mean, there are tons of people
out there, but there has to be, I believe, some kind of general
way to start compiling this information with a lot more
accuracy. We, of course, started using traffic data and some
other information to supplement it, but, still, that was not
exactly scientific.
Senator Landrieu. You described a process that you
ultimately resorted to when no real system stood up, but the
expense of putting that together fell to you all to do? Or did
the Federal Government offer to pay for that?
Mr. Holden. No, we paid for the whole system, and let me
tell you what: Without the faith-based community--and, again,
here is something that needs to be noted. Faith-based
communities went out without--they had guidelines that they
changed probably 20 times, meaning FEMA. The faith-based
community went out, and they did not wait for guidelines. If
there was a washer that needed to be put in a church, a dryer,
or any other stuff, or purchasing food supplies, many of those
faith-based organizations went out and then they put it out.
Now, remember, afterwards, that is when the President said,
well, we will start reimbursing the faith-based organizations.
Well, then, here is where the technicality came in. They
really did not have anything in place. So they asked, OK, can
you then submit all of your reimbursements to the city or
parish government? And then we had to actually take them in as
a unit of our government.
And so we said, well, wait a minute. Suppose there is a
liability issue here. You are now asking us to take in all of
the faith-based organizations, put them under our government.
Would you sign a waiver that says, ``Baton Rouge, you will not
have any liability''? They said, ``No, we would not.'' Would
you sign a waiver that says, ``OK, if we do not reimburse all
of the expenses that you are sending in, the city of Baton
Rouge will not be held accountable''? ``No, we would not.''
And so the faith-based piece needs a lot more work because
a lot of those churches, frankly, I think probably some of them
just got their money this year.
Senator Landrieu. So what you are testifying to is while
the faith-based community was--and we know this--very generous,
in many ways when the Federal Government went to reimburse
them, they wanted the city or parish government to try to
organize that reimbursement process for them so that the
Federal Government would not have to account for every item
submitted by each church individually?
Mr. Holden. That is correct.
Senator Landrieu. And what you are saying is that was very
complicated----
Mr. Holden. That is correct. And we did not have the
personnel. But, again, what they did, they took our Office of
Emergency Preparedness, and they found themselves in the
paperwork business because they knew a lot of the churches.
But, again, a lot of those churches will tell you that they did
not get 100 percent reimbursement.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Roach.
Mr. Roach. Senator, one of the things that I think perhaps
needs to be at least mentioned in this process is that when we
talked to FEMA before Hurricane Rita, and I asked FEMA, I said,
``OK, where is your blue book? Where is the plan for
catastrophic disaster on a regional scale?'' There is no plan
for that. The policies are based upon the assumption that we
are going to have--we treat a disaster--whether a hurricane
affects three square blocks in the city, it doesn't matter if
it is three square blocks or 300 square miles, both disasters
are treated the same. And those disasters obviously are
different. The demands are different. The requirements are
different. And so I think the whole process needs to be studied
and needs to be evaluated, and there needs to be a blue book,
because this can happen anywhere in this country. We can have a
situation in California with an earthquake. We can have a
series of tornadoes in the Midwest. We can have other problems
on the East Coast. It can happen, as you mentioned earlier,
with terrorist activities. There needs to be a blue book to
handle the regional implications of a large-scale disaster,
regardless of the cause, because it is going to result in the
mass dislocation of people and the services that have to go
along to cover that.
Senator Landrieu. For an extended period of time.
Mr. Holden. And if I can add one other thing. From the
moment the storm occurred, we asked FEMA, could you have
somebody at our OEP who could be the designated person in order
to make the calls, because we are serving this region. And at
the same time, a lot of the calls that would normally go to the
State ended up in our office. But there needs to be somebody
who can make a decision on the ground, and those individuals
were not there.
The second thing, they need to have stability in regards to
their employees because one week you are talking to one person
and that person is telling you something; a week or two later,
that person may be shipped to Siberia or somewhere, and there
is no continuity at that point on. You go back, and regardless
of what that individual told you, that is no good anymore,
because when that new person comes in, you have to start all
over again.
Senator Landrieu. So you were not designated officially as
a host community. You did not have a consistency of personnel.
And you were asked to take on responsibilities like
coordinating the reimbursements for nonprofits within your
jurisdiction that you did not have the resources or the time or
the ability to actually coordinate.
Mr. Holden. That is correct. They had two gentlemen from
FEMA who sat down with our office with Jim Barnhart and some
others, and they said, Here is what we are going to do, for
example, for Renaissance Park, and you will have nice cul-de-
sacs and you will have tree lines, boulevards, and all of these
things. And Renaissance Village did not get that.
But here you have two people that came to us and said we
are willing to work with you all, let us know anything that you
need--from FEMA. And those two guys were transferred out within
the next 2 weeks to a month. They were gone.
Mr. Foster. I think every municipality had that same
experience. Every one of them. I know that we did. I know that
Tangipahoa Parish did. I heard that St. Tammany Parish did as
well.
Again, I do not think that our business here today is to
knock FEMA, but what Mayor Holden is saying is absolutely
accurate. And, Senator, when you ask about the number of people
that are coming in, I think we probably have some
differentiation about the number of people that came in
immediately after the storm and the number of people that are
still there. And I think what we have to prepare for is the
number of people that are going to be there immediately after
the catastrophe.
I will give you some numbers, and these are in my written
testimony. In the Hammond Northshore Regional Airport, we
hosted almost 6,000 troops that came through Hammond Northshore
Regional Airport. We had 15,000 take-offs and landings from our
airport, including the Vice President that came in. We had
nonprofit organizations that, to the best of my knowledge, have
not been reimbursed a dime. One church group provided 10,000
meals a day for almost 3 weeks to provide food for anyone that
needed it.
So there is a tremendous need there, and the preparation is
absolutely necessary.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Butler, do you have any idea how
many people were in your town, the first night and then a week
out and then a month out? Did you have any records that you
thought you could count on to try to make the decisions?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. We had three shelters that were
supported by faith-based organizations. We had 300-plus
evacuees that stayed for over a month.
Senator Landrieu. In your shelters?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. Yes.
Senator Landrieu. How about housed in private homes?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. We do not know how many were in private
homes, but residents did open their homes to the evacuees.
Mr. Foster. Senator, anybody that says that they know how
many people were there, they are just picking numbers out of
the air, in my opinion.
Senator Landrieu. After asking this question to everybody I
can, that is what I think, too. It is a real guess, which makes
it very difficult, as you can imagine, to plan effectively if
you are not sure you are planning for 5,000, 25,000, or 50,000.
And think about this. Now, you have rough estimates and you
have anecdotal information, but there has got to be a better
system of trying to get a handle on the actual numbers you are
dealing with. It is important because it tells you how many
trailers you might want to order instead of the ones we have
rotting in a field in Arkansas. How many do we have up there?
We have 10,000 trailers rotting in a field. It would tell you
how many hotel rooms you might need to make available,
approximately, how many mental health services you might need
in a community or how many slots in schools you might need to
have, etc.
So I think numbers are important because it gives you some
idea of what you are dealing with. And I am understanding that
we virtually have a system that is not very accurate in that,
and it makes your jobs even harder.
Mayor Holden.
Mr. Holden. But the other thing it does, there are Federal
funding formulas based upon population. This State has funding
formulas based upon population. So without us getting that
accurate account, the revenue stream is not flowing. And
because the revenue stream is not flowing, then we are left to
our own coffers in order to take care of those basic needs that
we are seeing.
And let me just add one other point, because I do not think
we can leave without noting that we had a case whereby a young
child in elementary school went to a school here with full-
blown tuberculosis, but nobody knew. And so we have to go back
and say, well, where are we now in getting medical records so
these hospitals or the school-based health clinics or other
providers can actually know what they are dealing with.
And I do not know where we are, but somebody is going to
have to pay fast attention to a situation whereby when you have
people who have been walking out in these streets for 2 years
and we are seeing them, basically mental health patients, and
still nobody knows exactly what all has happened in regards to
their treatment regimen, then there has to be some effective
strategies on the health care side to cover a lot of those
situations. And let me not leave out the elderly and those who
are disabled. All of those have to have services provided.
Senator Landrieu. That brings up an interesting point, and
I have thought about this, but I would like to pursue this line
for a minute. We had thousands of children that were displaced,
I think at least 300,000 displaced from schools in Orleans,
Jefferson, St. Tammany, and Cameron Parishes, etc, that had to
go to school somewhere else and did so for up to 18 months.
Some children are still not back in their regular school. There
were many waivers, and we passed a new law to help that, but it
reminded me of this when you said about the case of
tuberculosis.
Were you all involved in the waiver of requirements when
children came to school in your areas about medical records?
Because children cannot enroll without their immunization
records. Normally, you have to have immunization records to
enroll. Do you remember what was done in your communities? Were
those just waived?
Mr. Holden. No. That would have to come through the school
board itself in regards to whether or not there was a waiver
because they are a separate entity.
Senator Landrieu. Do any of you have instances of sick
children showing up?
Mr. Roach. I know that we did take children and enrolled
them in school and continued to do that even after Hurricane
Rita. But as far as the process and any waivers that were done,
I have no knowledge of that.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Foster.
Mr. Foster. Based on the speed that we were enrolling
children, my guess is that we received no records. But I do not
know that for a fact.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Butler.
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. That is determined by the school board.
Senator Landrieu. One more thing, you all mentioned the
entitlement of cities. I think you are probably referring to
some cities that get direct community development block grant
funding based on size, and that is usually the larger cities,
and the smaller cities do not. Would you all think that at
least the community development block grant structure might be
a good way to get additional unrestricted flexible aid to host
cities after a storm? Would that be something that you would
want to recommend, or is there another way that you think the
Federal Government should be responsive in identifying you as a
host community, allowing you to know what you are entitled to,
and then providing funding? Would you think that the community
development block grant might be a way? Or would you suggest
something else?
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. I think it would be important that host
cities be named and designated and that those cities are known
and it is communicated to the public who they are, and that the
funding be put in place for those cities to get the job done,
whether it is under a special appropriations or line item. But
I think it is most important that we know who the host cities
are and that they are prepared, whatever is needed is put in
place for long-term housing or medical facilities.
One of the things I would like to say and just in closing,
what we experienced was really a problem when we had people
from other States coming through our community to go to the
coast or come to Louisiana to help. They were not prepared.
They did not have fuel. It was chaos. So that is something that
needs to be addressed, too, when individuals come from other
States to address an area that has been devastated.
Senator Landrieu. Mayor Foster.
Mr. Foster. In the city of Hammond, we established a
reserve, a disaster reserve. We put $1 million into a fund that
in case this ever happens again, our city council does not have
to say to itself where are we going to get this money. We do
have a reserve. Hopefully it will be less than that.
I think that it would be very appropriate if the Federal
Government could do the same thing, have some reserve money in
case of a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, with some
characteristics of what the disaster would be. Of course, we
have disasters every day across the country. I realize that.
In terms of whether or not it should be CDBG, in my opinion
it would be dependent upon how the rules for disbursement were
established. Again, if it is just for entitlement cities, that
leaves out smaller communities, less than 25,000 population. We
again would have to go fight for those monies. We would have to
fight the larger cities for the dollars.
So if there is some type of method of distribution
recognizing, say, municipalities that were set up as host
cities or host parishes that would be able to acquire some of
that funding quickly, then CDBG would be appropriate.
Senator Landrieu. Please let me say I meant a model of
community development block grants, but that would go to all
the cities, not just limited to the larger. Those
reimbursements can get complicated, and even though it is
touted as a flexible Federal program, I find the Federal
Government overuses that word. It is not usually as flexible as
the Federal Government sometimes claims it is. But I
understand----
Mr. Foster. It is never flexible.
Senator Landrieu. It is never flexible enough. Mr. Roach.
Mr. Roach. That might be an oxymoron to say it is flexible.
[Laughter.]
Mr. Roach. But I would caution you on utilizing CDBG money.
It took me a while, after I got elected, to be able to say
``CDBG'' real fast, but I can say it fast now. And I know we
are big on acronyms sometimes, but I just penned one out here
called ``CDRF'' money, community development response fund. It
can be structured similar to CDBG, but it has to have a
different focus and a different purpose, and it has to have its
own set of rules and regulations, because I know we have to
have rules and regulations. But those rules and regulations
need to be specifically tailored to what those monies are going
to be used for.
And I think we have a tendency sometimes--especially in
this situation, I certainly can understand it--to want to use
an existing funding source, an existing vehicle to provide that
money because we need it now. But if we are looking at it long
term, what we are going to do in the future, what can we do
from a lessons learned approach, I think we need to recognize
that disasters are unique and different. Each one is going to
be different, and there needs to be methodology that we could
use in order to fund those communities that are involved in
that disaster recovery effort--whatever that disaster is. It
might not be a hurricane next time. There might not be any
flooding involved at all. It might be totally wind-driven. But
we need to have an ability to funnel funds to those communities
quickly so we can meet the need.
Senator Landrieu. That is an excellent suggestion. Mayor
Holden.
Mr. Holden. I agree with him. Again, this funding formula
that they came up with is patently unfair to a lot of areas,
including Baton Rouge. So I just want my friend, Mayor Foster,
to know that there were equal opportunity challenges there, but
there are other parties that, when you look at the funding.
The last point I will make is also FEMA should not start
programs that they end at a certain period of time and leave
the local governments having to pick up the burden. And that
came true especially with the Paratransit program that they
started, and now those costs are being absorbed by us. And we
are subsidizing transit now almost to the tune of $3 million,
and it is a quasi-public agency, but they are looking for the
city government to bail them out each time they run a deficit,
especially, again, this program was started by FEMA, and then
they gave them a certain cutoff date and said that is it. And
then the only people left as the bad guys are the
transportation system, Capital Area Transit, and our
government, and we look like the Grinches who stole Christmas
from them.
Senator Landrieu. And this transportation system is helping
people that are temporarily living in Baton Rouge, getting to
worksites in----
Mr. Holden. Doctor's offices, grocery stores. I mean, there
are a myriad of things that Paratransit provides. But, we are
having to have some cutbacks, and some people are not getting
the service. But we are left now having to provide those
dollars and cutting routes because of the lack of funding.
Senator Landrieu. OK. Well, thank you all very much. That
wraps up my questions, and we may submit more questions to you
in writing. But I think this testimony has given us a great
basis to proceed.
Let's take a 5-minute break, and the other panel can come
forward. Thank you all very much.
Mr. Holden. Thank you.
Mr. Roach. Thank you.
Mr. Foster. Thank you, Senator.
Ms. Hawkins-Butler. Thank you.
[Recess.]
Senator Landrieu. Let me welcome our second panel. I know
that some of you are here to hear the remarks of our
distinguished mayors who represented several of our host
communities, and the second panel represents other elected
officials and community leaders who are on the front lines of
serving this host community. This graph will call your
attention to a pictorial of where people fled. And it is very
telling because you can see your dark spots, whether it is
Houston, Lafayette, Lake Charles, Jackson, or Picayune. But
then you can see how far dispersed this diaspora was.
I would be hard pressed to think of another disaster in our
country's history truly where people would be so far flung away
from their regular homes and places of work, which is why this
is important for us to get lessons learned down and to correct
it for the next time. We are still living through the
shortcomings of the last disaster, and I say ``disaster''--two
storms, multiple levee breaks, but talking as one. There is
little we can do to go back other than just continue to take
steps forward, but there is a lot we can do to prepare this
country for the next time this happens. And I want to restate
again that the primary concern of this Subcommittee is to build
a better mousetrap, and we intend to do it. What we have is
just wholly inadequate.
What I would like to do, because time is short, I would
like just to introduce the whole panel at once and then ask the
sheriff to begin. Our first witness will be Sheriff Sid Hebert,
who served as Chairman of the Louisiana Commission on Law
Enforcement and Criminal Justice and as Past President of the
Louisiana Sheriffs Association. I think, Sheriff, you were the
President of the association during the storm. So he brings a
unique perspective from law enforcement's commission.
Next we will hear from Judge Robert Eckels of Harris
County, Texas. Judge Eckels oversaw the Harris County Office of
Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness during the 2005
hurricane and the evacuation and sheltering operations
associated with them. I understand, Judge, you worked very
closely with Mayor White. You all worked as a team. For us in
Louisiana, don't be put off or on by the word ``judge.'' He is
actually a county commissioner. He is not the ``judge'' in our
sense of the word. He is the executive. [Laughter.]
Judge Eckels. Senator, I can still do mental health
commitments. [Laughter.]
Senator Landrieu. That is what they call their folks in
Houston.
Then we will hear from a great leader in our State, Raymond
Jetson, who is CEO of Louisiana Family Recovery Corps. Mr.
Jetson was charged with providing leadership in the
coordination of local, State, and national efforts to connect
people and families with the resources needed to return and
resume their lives. He is formerly a State representative and
has quite a story to tell.
Our fourth witness will be Mrs. Kim Boyle, also an
outstanding leader, a partner in the employment law group at
Phelps Dunbar. She is a member of the Louisiana Recovery
Authority and is Chairman of the Health Care Committee, so she
has seen firsthand the challenges of our communities and our
people of trying to continue basic health care, including
mental health services, which is really one of our acute
challenges today.
Greg Davis, Executive Director of the Cajundome, was in the
front line there. He has served as a board member for CABL,
Council for A Better Louisiana, and he along with Council
President Joe Durrell led the effort in Lafayette, and we so
appreciate you being here.
So why don't we start with 5 minutes each, and then we will
have a round of questions.
TESTIMONY OF SID HEBERT,\1\ SHERIFF, IBERIA PARISH, LOUISIANA
Mr. Hebert. Senator, thank you very much for having myself
and certainly my associate members here on the panel to address
you, and hopefully your Subcommittee will establish a record, a
permanent record, for what your contemporaries will at some
point sit down and have to digest when it comes to examining
Federal policy on catastrophic events nationwide.
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Senator, I have given this a lot of thought, not only
during the event itself but certainly the last 2-plus years
after. The only thing I can come up with would be the
devastation to Pompeii in the major volcanic era. And I can
think of nothing through history to determine how large a
population was displaced, to echo your words. I think you were
extremely accurate when it came to that.
As being the only law enforcement person per se on the
Subcommittee to address the group, it gives me a very unique
opportunity to not necessarily repeat but to echo in some sense
the voices that the mayors gave to you.
Interestingly enough, of all of the groups that will come
to the Federal table to ask for assistance, temporary as well
as long term, law enforcement would be the easiest to satisfy
because we look for no new money. And the difference between us
and long-term recovery would be is our needs are more
immediate, would be literally within weeks, months. And in this
catastrophic event, now we are 2-plus years into it, and we are
still being affected very dramatically.
But to have you understand the interesting problems that we
dealt with, initially a host city--I still wonder what that
term means, Senator. I am not quite sure. But, really, in our
eyes there was no such thing. It was a matter of setting up for
an unknown amount of people with unknown names and unknown
ability to identify themselves, with unknown clothes and
unknown anything to get there and establish their
identification, more than just lay on the floor.
In my presentation, as I hope you will read, and certainly
your other Senate Subcommittee Members will as well, within the
first couple days, interesting problems started to present
themselves right after Hurricane Katrina as my staff members,
along with volunteers, Red Cross, school members, and the
members of the church, as my mayor put it so eloquently, came
to the rescue of many thousands of people throughout the State
of Louisiana. The problem started to rear its ugly head quickly
when it comes to security, offering the most immediate services
to the evacuees. You think you will get 200 to 300. You end up
with 3,000. This really is not, as I perceive this, a Federal
problem immediately. But when it comes to a bit longer term--
and I mean that meaning days--the assessment, on-ground
assessment from a Federal military unit or a Federal Department
of Justice or Federal FEMA group that could come in and do a
very quick assessment of what that impacted area's needs would
be quickly, such as sanitary conditions, quick military
response--as our National Guard was able to do so to some
degree. But it was overwhelmed by the nature of the
geographical vastness of the problem.
What I noticed in Hurricane Katrina, as I was displaced as
a sheriff, uniquely enough, as my representation statewide took
me out of my local parish where I was housing 3,000 people, I
was in the Gonzales area where we staged up and then spent most
of my time in Greater New Orleans area, to be pushed again when
Hurricane Rita came, and then ultimately things changed. But we
started dealing with, after about the tenth day, mental
instability with workers, volunteers. Stress was a dramatic
problem that they dealt with. There was nothing for them to
rely on when it came to mental assistance, medical evaluations,
the people that were there. And for those Senators that
hopefully will understand the dramatic problem that we dealt
with in these communities, these new developed tent and housing
communities, we displaced some 650 sexual predators from the
Greater Orleans area into our communities. And we struggled
with the FEMA restriction that did not allow us to identify the
people that were there.
In two cases here in Louisiana, sheriffs had to sue the
Federal Government to try to gain access to identities in FEMA
trailer courts. It is a very unique problem, and we certainly
understand the right to privacy. But, on the other hand, you
have people who are in violation of their probation and prior
judged issuances.
I guess in a way it needs to be addressed and certainly
looked at. But if I can quickly, so I don't burn to much time,
a quick assessment by the military officials to determine needs
and mobilize in quick time. The military, whether it be States
and/or Federal, could be a dramatic assistance to cities from a
public works standpoint as well as law enforcement assistance
if properly coordinated. Establish nation--here is one that may
be overlooked. Establish a nationwide website for the
Department of Justice that evacuees could quickly register
their whereabouts through a connectivity, as simply as a
website location, and we could offer them to do nothing more
than download their information.
As you see in Third World countries when people put their
pictures up on those walls, on big boards, that is what we
resorted to. A nationwide news agency helped us with that,
developed that. We tied into it and certainly were able to find
missing people and location people who they thought were
missing and/or deceased. Very easy to do, not terribly
expensive.
Stafford Act, you talked about it. Senator, you, if I can
only tell this group of people here today, and certainly your
friends in Washington, you were a monumental help, along with
the Senators from Mississippi, to re-evaluate money away from
the Stafford Act for immediate distribution to the areas that
literally could not function as public service
responsibilities. We would hope that Stafford would be
revisited long term, adjustments made, and a quicker--instead
of having to go there literally and throw ourselves in front of
the train, a way that it could be addressed for the immediacy
of the public service providers.
An infusion of medical services to include mental health
professionals, I am not even sure if you have that authority,
but I would offer that as a thought. And then certainly long
term, if possible, if FEMA is listening, please give us the
identities of the people in those communities so we can address
that accordingly.
And here is one that I would want it to be a bipartisan
issue. Identify social issues within each community in this
State as real. I do believe in international terrorism, and I
do believe there are domestic terrorists. But in the last 7
years, to have a grant writer working for a local law
enforcement agency is useless because there are no grants to
compete for. You cannot even begin to try to be diverse in the
way you address the issues in your locale, because there is no
longer money other than the things that we can use to stop
terrorism. It in a way, it needs to be re-addressed, Senator.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you so much, Sheriff. Judge Eckles.
TESTIMONY OF ROBERT A. ECKELS,\1\ FORMER COUNTY JUDGE, HARRIS
COUNTY, TEXAS
Judge Eckels. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I am honored to be
here. I am Robert Eckels. I want to make sure the Subcommittee
and, Madam Chairman, you understand that I am here in my
capacity as the former judge of Harris County. I am a partner
at Fulbright and Jaworski, and I appreciate the firm's being
very supportive of my continued work on this. I left about 6
months ago. I think Hurricane Katrina wore me out, Sheriff.
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After Hurricane Katrina, I did represent about 4 million
people in Harris County. The region is about 5 million and was
able to accommodate approximately a quarter million people, we
think, that came into the Houston area. Originally, it was
planned to be 2,500 people. It grew to 23,750 to be the
evacuees from the Superdome, and it turned into about a quarter
million; 65,000 actually came through the Astrodome itself.
Senator Landrieu. Can you repeat that? Sixty-five
thousand----
Judge Eckels. Sixty-five thousand actually processed
through the Dome. We had a maximum population at any given time
of about 25,000, maybe 27,000 in the Superdome complex, between
the Astrodome, the Reliant Center, the convention facilities
next door, and the Astro Arena convention facilities on the
pad, but we triaged about 65,000 that came through. The first
day, about 8,000 actually processed straight through and never
even stayed but arrived. We operated the New Orleans Housing
Authority. The Director of the Housing Authority was one of the
evacuees on a bus coming in and actually partnered with us very
well.
I will quickly go through the prepared statement and touch
on a few things, as you mentioned, the issues between host
communities and impact communities. Like much of New Orleans,
we were a host community for a period of time, about 3 weeks,
and then Hurricane Rita came. We tried to take the things we
learned and ensure that as those people that we shipped off
to--the last group, I believe, went to Fort Smith, Arkansas--
that we had a good manifest so they knew what to expect. Our
biggest challenge as people came in was the lack of
information. I do not think that the folks here--I cannot fault
the people here because they did not have the information. It
was a mass exodus. It was not an organized evacuation from
Louisiana, as the folks loaded in buses and cars, and the folks
came to Houston.
The main issue that we had was the reimbursement question
coming in for actual expenses. The congressional action, the
laws we operated under are designed for--and the way FEMA
operates is it follows those laws--is designed for an impact
zone, an area that is hit, where our people will do straight
time and work for the folks in the community, much as we did in
Tropical Storm Allison where we had another quarter of a
million people who were out of their homes. In that case, the
county officers and the Houston Police Department and our
social service workers all take care of our people, as we
always do.
After Hurricane Katrina, however, we had a quarter million
people that came from outside into our community, and if I had
hired private security guards in the Astrodome, I would have
been reimbursed. But the sheriff's deputies and my county
employees, my social service employees, all of the straight-
time folks are not eligible for reimbursement. And if there was
anything I would look at in a change in the Federal rules, I
would change that. And I do not think you can, as earlier
witnesses testified, designate a host community in advance
because host communities come where people show up. But you can
put in place a process that people can follow and be reimbursed
for their expenses.
The incentives that we were given in Houston told us next
time to say, ``I am sorry. The air conditioning is not working
in the Superdome. Go to San Antonio. Let them worry about it.''
We would not do that. I do not think the people of Houston
would not take care of the people that show up from New Orleans
or Dallas or San Antonio, or wherever they come from. But the
incentives are there not to do that, and I cannot tell you that
is not a problem in another setting. And it is an issue. And
New Orleans may be the host city next time for somebody coming
from Mobile. Or it may be that Baltimore is the host city for
Washington, DC, after a disaster.
Senator Landrieu. So let me just say, you would have been
reimbursed if you hired private security guards, but not if you
used your own personnel for straight time.
Judge Eckels. Correct. We were reimbursed for all of the
contract expenses in the Astrodome.
Senator Landrieu. But not your personal----
Judge Eckels. Not of our personal----
Senator Landrieu. And then you were not reimbursed for the
air condition usage or the----
Judge Eckels. No. We were reimbursed for the use of the
facility. We were not reimbursed for lost events. What
immediately happens is the other cities that do not give up
their convention space jump on and cannibalize the functions.
It is not a big deal for the 1 year because FEMA did pay us our
rack rate for the Astrodome and for the Convention Center. What
happens, though, is when you relocate a major convention from
New Orleans or from Houston and they go to San Antonio, the
next year they go back to San Antonio and the next year they go
back to San Antonio, and so you lose that business over a long
period of time. And so that is a common problem for every city
that has to give up their convention space. There is no real
way to reimburse long term, and there have been those kinds of
problems.
So the short answer is that reimbursement needs to
recognize a different set of issues in host communities. As we
evacuated from Hurricane Rita, as was discussed earlier on
small towns, Polk County, Brenham, Livingston, all the little
tech towns through East Texas and Central Texas became host
communities for people from Houston that were evacuating, that
were stranded on the road, they went into their schools and
community centers. In many ways, it was more difficult for them
than us because they are a small town, and you take a small
town and drop 2,000 people in there, that is a pretty big
impact to try to--and they did a yeoman's job taking care of
people from Houston, and we really thank them for that. But
that is a big issue for small communities, and they need to
know that they won't be expected to absorb those costs over the
long term.
Mayor White and I convened daily meetings, and the county
was able to absorb--we have got a $2 million budget. We can
absorb some costs of our operations. The city has a similar
size budget. The mayor advanced $10 million for housing
vouchers assuming that FEMA would come through and pay them.
They did. But they just did it based on--betting on the come,
if you will, that it would be there.
We did not have the reimbursement issues that we saw in
Louisiana because we had good relationships with our State
Emergency Management Agency. I remember one of the sheriffs
complaining about challenges on getting money from FEMA, and I
wanted to call him and say FEMA does not send the money, the
State sends the money. I had already received $7 million from
our Texas Division of Emergency Management and Governor Perry's
office because we followed the paperwork and the process. And I
think there is a lot of education that goes on with that. The
ultimate issue was some of it is time for reimbursement and
some of it is actual dollars you are eligible for. We are still
waiting 2 years later for reimbursement on some of our
expenses.
We had a real issue with special-needs evacuees. Most of
the evacuees from New Orleans were special-needs. We did not
know who they were. There needs to be--and it is multiple
issues on special needs that is addressed in my written
testimony, but it is identifying them in advance, identifying
them in transit, and then having the shelters prepared. The
State of Texas--and I would encourage you and anyone who wants
to look at a planning process to ID those people, provide wrist
bands, and not only the people but the wheelchairs and their
equipment to travel with them, to be able to handle that
special-needs population as they move forward, and use a lot of
the private sector that is able to provide some of the
technology to help as you involved the special-needs
population.
I mentioned the private sector because there was a prime
example in the Astrodome with the debit cards, and I will tell
you that I think the debt cards is a great program, but--and it
is a compassionate program. It puts cash in people's hands when
it needs to be there, and it helps Congress and FEMA and the
service providers track expenses and what people are using the
money for when they come back later and say they need more
cash. But if instead of having a bunch of bureaucrats come in
that can do 50 or 100 debit cards an hour, you would say Chase
Bank, who issued the cards to begin with, you have got 1,000
branches, issue cards, which you do, you would have 1,000
locations. You would have bank accounts. You could transfer the
money immediately for those folks, and it would provide
tracking of the funds and tracking of expenditures, like you
use the Visa or MasterCard type of card to limit it so they
cannot buy lap dances and alcohol, as some of them did with the
cards that they got. It set up FEMA for criticism from Congress
that people used the money for things that they should not have
used it for. The fact is most people desperately needed the
money and used it for what they needed. Overall, it is the kind
of program and a great example of where the private sector
could come in and provide a lot of help.
The final thing I would close out with is, as you are
looking at solutions, look for regional and State solutions. It
is very difficult to come in on a national plan with a Federal
prescription of how you are going to work in a local community.
Our classic that was touched on earlier was the shelters. The
faith-based community came forward. I now am on the board of
Interfaith Ministries, and between them and Second Baptist,
they were part of that daily meeting with the mayor. We had
thousands of churches that popped up as ad hoc shelters. To
come back later for reimbursement, we set up eventually a per
diem system, which was very much resisted by FEMA. But FEMA was
cooperative and helpful to us at a local level. They agreed to
it. But after the bean counters took over and wanted an audit,
they asked these churches to give positive ID of every shelter
victim that was there, and some kind of driver's license or
Social Security number, the number of people, the number of
nights. And when you are underwater--this is the old analogy of
when you are in the swamp with alligators, are you trying to
drain the swamp? You cannot come back later and ask a small
organization that has not got the technical expertise or the
training, that is really just trying to help people to cross
the T's and dot the I's and fix the paperwork in order to
qualify for reimbursement.
Senator Landrieu. Well, we need a Good Samaritan statute
and something that is clear and easy to follow for people that
step up, and we will follow that.
One question, and let me move then to Mr. Jetson. But when
you said that you took in most special-needs people, was it
most special-needs was the majority of people going to Houston
or just to the Astrodome?
Judge Eckels. Everyone who came in through a bus or
transit, or many others who just showed up at the Superdome
because it is easy to find and they knew where it was as they
drove from Louisiana, was triaged through our medical
facilities, eventually set up as a triage----
Senator Landrieu. But the people that drove their own
automobiles that never went to the Astrodome, do you think they
were special-needs or----
Judge Eckels. Some of them were. What we have done in
Texas, the State DEM, the Emergency Management Division, has
redefined special needs as anyone who cannot get out on their
own. There are some who have physical needs, some who have
mental problems, some who have--are just transit dependent and
cannot get----
Senator Landrieu. And you all have an accurate count of
that between the doctors who showed up who just went right to
work in the hospitals as opposed to people who showed up and
were in wheelchairs?
Judge Eckels. We have within our facilities at the
Astrodome where we handled the people who came through the Dome
complex through the city's Exposition and Convention Center,
they operated in--Harris County Hospital operated one. The
University of Texas Health Science Center operated one that
served people outside of the shelters that came in. We can
identify those people who came to our shelters.
Senator Landrieu. Can you identify people who did not come
to your shelters?
Judge Eckels. No, we cannot. We can do a survey, but we
have not. The people that came to the shelters--the challenge
of New Orleans was that the people that were left were the
people who couldn't get out. They either had no friends, they
had no family, they were medically dependent, they were
compromised or transit dependent, they were compromised to
begin with, many of them. So they were just loaded on buses.
They spent 7 or 8 hours coming to Houston where, if they
weren't physically stressed before they got there, they were
after a long bus ride with little food or water and maybe no
bathroom break. If they had medical problems, mental problems,
they were off their meds. We had the tuberculosis cases that
were talked about with poor medical care underlying the system
in Louisiana, and I cannot tell you that is not happening all
over the country. But many people came in, received medical
care for the first time in their lives, comprehensive medical
care through the Harris County Hospital.
I appreciate you having us out, and I am happy to answer
more questions. I know we are short on time today. I would
commend to you all of the written testimony previously
submitted.
Senator Landrieu. Mr. Jetson.
TESTIMONY OF RAYMOND A. JETSON,\1\ CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER,
LOUISIANA FAMILY RECOVERY CORPS
Mr. Jetson. Thank you very much, Senator. On behalf of the
parents, children, grandparents, aunts, uncles, college
students, executives, bus drivers, nurses, doctors,
construction workers, case managers, first responders, and the
nonprofits and faith-based organizations who served them, I say
thank you for your continued commitment to support recovery
along the coast and the strengthening of our people. I want to
get right into the challenges, innovations, and recommendations
for improvement.
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The first challenge at the Louisiana Family Recovery Corps,
a nonprofit created after Hurricane Katrina to serve people who
were impacted both by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita and have
served more than 30,000 families in our existence, the first
challenge that we found, Senator, was that there was no
adequate plan to address a response to human recovery. I
respect greatly the challenges of the municipalities. I respect
greatly the challenges of those who would seek to provide
security and those who would do sheltering and all of the other
things. The missing ingredient in most of this was certainly
things that spoke to the needs of the people themselves who
were impacted by the disasters. Their loss was initially and
accurately attributed to a physical phenomenon, but the loss of
community and support networks and control of their own destiny
was actually destroyed by the hands of those who were charged
with executing on their behalf.
There was a lack of clearly defined roles and
responsibilities and a lack of collaboration and planning that
caused well-intentioned solutions to have profoundly adverse
impacts. There was no cohesive plan for human recover, no lead
agency that was recognized by the stakeholders as the one
having the plan. This caused confusion amongst providers. In
addition, there was no clarity as to who would be responsible
for what. There was a total absence of common goals, outcomes,
and strategies. There was a lack of partnership and the absence
of a master strategy.
The activities undertaken by stakeholders exceeded greatly
their traditional roles and expertise. As you heard from the
mayors and others who were involved, the absence of
collaboration from content experts produced short-term
solutions to attempt to address very complex issues. The
downside of that is the short-term nature of those solutions
produced long-term negative outcomes, a prime example being the
aforementioned transitional trailer communities that FEMA put
in place. Their decision to locate these communities without
social services and being dislocated from the very resources
that people would need to recovery led to the situation that we
face now. The only services that people received in these
communities were because of the initiative of faith-based
communities and local quasi-governmental institutions who would
go in to serve these people. And so that is an example of the
absence of an overall strategy and the lack of collaboration
and planning leading to long-term problems and consequences.
The second challenge that we faced was the service capacity
to address the needs was destroyed and overburdened. You heard
example after example from the government and from local
municipalities. I would suggest to you that churches and
community centers and nonprofit organizations, such service
organizations are the cornerstones or the safety nets that have
served people. The storms destroyed most that would serve the
people who were historically served, and the people who were
displaced ended up in communities where the safety nets existed
in those communities were not equipped, did not have the
resources, were already challenged to serve the people in their
existing communities, now had a brand-new population to serve
with no additional staff, no additional resources, and a huge
pile of paperwork if they wanted to seek Federal reimbursement.
The reduced service capacity meant that service providers
took on responsibilities outside of their expertise. This
quickly became overburdened, and likewise, specialized services
such as substance abuse and mental health services became non-
existent in terms of access for people who had been displaced,
as well as many of the residents who were in the communities
already. The disaster-related needs that manifested themselves
extended far beyond the traditional service offerings of most
of the faith-based and community-based organizations.
The third challenge that we saw, Senator, was that the
financing for human recovery was totally inadequate and overly
restrictive. There was not funding for the recovery of people
and families, and I would suggest to you that is the most
daunting aspect of the recovery we faced. We know how to build
bridges. We know how to build levees. We know how to build
homes. We are not clear on what it takes to restore families.
People did not simply lose their homes. They lost their
neighbors. They lost their support networks. They lost the
structure that gave them a sense of belonging. And the
patchwork financing from Federal funding streams was not
designed to provide disaster funding. In most instances, the
money was tied to traditional government programs, which
limited the people that could be served and the types of
services that could be provided for those that we could serve
under those restrictions. For example, the TANF supplemental
grant, we are very thankful for it, but it certainly designates
the people that you can serve and what you can do with those
individuals. Likewise with the social services block grant
funding and other dollars. And so those are three challenges
that we found.
In terms of innovations, the Family Recovery Corps has
evolved and learned that there has to be the creation of a
needs-based service model to address individualized issues in
recovery. The Recovery Corps and its practices in serving the
needs of people and families has evolved to service approaches
that offer a combined menu of services and access points for
people and families. There is not a one size fits all, nor is
there a one place that fits all.
In addition, we have learned that it is important to become
responsive to the needs of people and families as soon as they
become apparent. People and families cannot wait for us and our
bureaucracies to navigate their needs. We also are focused on a
centralized and personal access to information and services.
Despite the variety and increase in toll-free numbers, there
was not a single number where people could access the
information that was critical to their needs and their
recovery. This was particularly important for people who were
located out of State whose access to information was limited to
the local news venues, the local media venues where they were.
The Louisiana Family Recovery Corps created NOLA Bound, which
was a call center that we staffed with social service
professionals that people could call and get real-time
information about their neighborhoods, employment, schools,
child care, and housing. And we also learned that a localized
approach to service delivery creates trust and credibility. The
closer you get to people and families, the closer you get to
their needs.
And I would suggest to you very quickly, Senator, three
changes. There has to be funding sources that are designated
specifically to human recovery that are not tied to government
programs for the reasons that I alluded to earlier.
Second, there has to be clearly defined expectations of
FEMA in its planning, development, implementation, and
management of disaster responsibilities. There has to be clear
responsibilities for other stakeholders to participate in the
planning of the recovery, the development of that recovery, and
the implementation of that recovery that impacts their life,
their communities, and their neighborhoods.
Additionally, and finally, there has to be a more
appropriate mechanism to address the emotional well-being of
people who are impacted by disaster. The existing approaches
are not designed as interventions for people who have truly
been impacted by disasters. They are not designed to help
people rebuild their support networks, integrate into new
communities, and learn techniques to successfully manage the
stressors. And so there has to be a different approach to
address the emotional well-being of people who are impacted by
disaster. Thank you very much.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. Jetson. Ms. Boyle.
TESTIMONY OF KIM BOYLE,\1\ CHAIRMAN, LOUISIANA RECOVERY
AUTHORITY HEALTH CARE COMMITTEE
Ms. Boyle. Senator Landrieu, thank you for having us here
today. On behalf of all of the citizens of Louisiana, as well
as the Louisiana Recovery Authority, I would like to personally
thank you for continuing to pursue solutions to problems that
have plagued evacuees, as well as the cities that took them in,
over the past 2\1/2\ years. I would also like to thank the
people and communities across America that welcomed us, the
evacuees, into their towns, their schools, their hospitals, and
into their lives.
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I would also like to personally thank Judge Eckels and
Mayor White because I did evacuate to Houston, and I can say
with full confidence and I can say clearly that the citizens of
Houston welcomed us with open arms and went out of their way to
try to ensure that we were taken care of during that time that
we were there.
Mayor Holden referred to the work of the faith-based
communities, and while this is more appropriate to Reverend
Jetson, I would like to also commend those communities because
I saw the work of the faith-based communities firsthand, and
these communities worked very hard with evacuees in Houston,
never looking for what the method of reimbursement was going to
be. And I think it is critical that their work is recognized
publicly.
Being forced to evacuate, Senator Landrieu, I saw people
struggle not just to find a secure place to land, but to retain
their physical and, more importantly, their mental health,
which you have talked about this afternoon. There is no doubt
that catastrophes such as Hurricanes Katrina and Rita will
continue to occur. But it is clear that we owe the citizens of
America a better response when those catastrophes do occur.
I was very lucky. My situation is very different than many
of the people who had to evacuate. As stated, I went to
Houston, where I had family members. I went to Houston, where I
had a support mechanism through my work situation, and my
parents were able to travel with me. So my situation was
different than many of those people that Judge Eckels referred
to in his testimony, i.e., people who had to go to the
Superdome, people who had special needs.
My parents were lucky. When they left New Orleans, they
were prepared. They had their list of medications with them.
They had a supply of medicine actually with them. They were
able to access their medications through a national drug store,
and they had recommendations from doctors in Houston where they
could get seamless care. Many people did not have that same
luxury, and they were not so blessed. And it is important that
we address the needs of those citizens.
As chairman of Mayor Nagin's Bring New Orleans Back
Commission of the Health Care Committee--and this was formed
right after the storm, as you are aware, Senator Landrieu--I
have given a great deal of thought to the manner in which we
addressed some of the human needs after the storms. Some of
them we were able to employ in this particular catastrophe, but
many others occurred too late. I would like to talk briefly
about some of the areas of success.
First, Louisiana did act quickly to develop a free, secure
online service to allow doctors and pharmacists to access
information about evacuees' prescriptions. I think this is
critical, particularly when you are talking about the elderly,
particularly when you are talking about the disabled community.
If you cannot get to your medicine, you have a serious problem
wherever you land.
Louisiana also worked with national pharmaceutical
retailers to get free prescriptions for evacuees who had
limited financial means. Louisiana activated a hotline to
recruit displaced nurses, physicians, and health care
providers. It facilitated access to children's records. It
recruited and deployed volunteer medical professionals. And it
waived licensing requirements for out-of-State medical
professionals to provide emergency services.
Louisiana, most importantly, created the Louisiana Family
Recovery Corps shortly after the storms, which is run by
Reverend Jetson, and I think that is critical as it relates to
addressing the human service needs.
You just heard Mr. Jetson talk about the ways that his
agency has excellently served thousands of families who
otherwise would have fallen through the cracks. He did a great
job of describing the social services impacted. However, what
we learned from this experience and what my committee with the
Bring New Orleans Back Commission learned is that the best
place for evacuee families to be placed is in existing housing
within communities and given access to aggressive case
management services.
To the extent and only to the extent such housing is not
available and families must be placed in trailer villages,
these wrap-around case management services are critical and
should not be an afterthought, as Mr. Jetson just stated. Judge
Eckels talked about the special needs of a number of evacuees.
This is critical to address those special needs.
Over the past 2 years, as you are aware, Senator, there has
been progress toward the creation of an electronic health
information exchange. We talked about this on the local level,
in New Orleans after the storm, and the LRA has continued to
talk about this. This, again, is critical. People have to have
the ability to access their medical records. As stated, my
parents had their information very organized. But, bluntly,
they were probably in the minority. We have to have that
ability, particularly for our elderly communities.
What we learned after the storm, bluntly, was that our
Nation was ill prepared to handle a health crisis in a
catastrophe of this magnitude. I am going to briefly outline
some of the specific waivers and law changes that we would
alleviate issues that Louisiana still faces in its health care
recovery and issues that other States would no doubt have to
confront in any type of similar catastrophe.
As many of the panelists stated during the first panel,
many of the problems relate to the Stafford Act. No matter how
you slice it, the Stafford Act was not created to address a
catastrophe of this magnitude. As you are aware, Senator
Landrieu, the LRA is asking Congress for an all-out reform of
this law. We believe it should be amended to create what is
called a ``catastrophic annex.'' This catastrophic annex would
trigger certain immediate actions in the aftermath of a
catastrophe, and this type of reform would have a profound
impact on the health care response in future catastrophes. We
believe these minimal actions should be:
One, automatic 100 percent cost share for Medicaid for
evacuees displaced because of a catastrophe. Senator Landrieu,
that this was critical, and without this waiver, Louisiana
Medicaid would have been placed in dire financial
circumstances.
Two, the creation of an uncompensated care program with
clear eligibility guidelines for providers of health care
services to uninsured victims of the catastrophe. You spoke
just a minute ago, Senator Landrieu, about a Good Samaritan
statute. Judge Eckels referred to that. It is critical that
many providers acted as Good Samaritans out of the kindness of
their hearts because they wanted to help people, but they did
so in the absence of clear guidelines as to whether they would
be reimbursed and the manner in which they would be reimbursed.
And notwithstanding people's good nature and good heart, people
cannot continue to provide services for which they are normally
compensated at no compensation whatsoever. So that is critical.
Third--and you have talked about this on numerous
occasions, Senator, and I know you are very focused on this--a
clear provision allowing for the delivery of mental health
treatment services in addition to basic counseling. Mr. Jetson
talked about this. I think every panelist on the first panel
talked about this. Basic mental health services must be
expanded to allow for the diagnosis and treatment of mental
disorders that may surface as a result of pre-existing medical
conditions but, bluntly, from prolonged exposure to the current
circumstances. Everyone who evacuated or was impacted by
Hurricane Katrina or Hurricane Rita has some form of a mental
problem right now, and I do not mean mental problem in a
negative fashion. I know I do. It has been very stressful. It
has been very difficult over the past 2 years. And I was in a
better situation than most. This is clear that those issues
have to be addressed.
We recommend that provisions within the Stafford Act allow
for the identification of a disaster incident as catastrophic,
that it trigger provisions for formal outpatient treatment of
conditions clearly related to exposure. In this case, the
length of the family services crisis counseling program grant
must be extended to a 3-year cycle. In addition to these
Stafford Act changes, services for the severely mentally ill
could be enhanced statewide if the Centers for Medicare and
Medicaid Services grant the State a waiver allowing it to more
quickly expand beds for psychiatric services in host
communities as well as in disaster areas.
I do not want to exceed my time, Senator, but it is
important to talk about briefly flexibility and using the
disproportionate share hospital funds, as you refer to it as
the ``DSH funds,'' because that places a unique strain on the
State's graduate medical education programs. And as outlined in
my written testimony, we have talked about the strain on the
GME, the graduate medical education programs in the State of
Louisiana.
In conclusion, we know--this is not theory; this is not
hypothetical. We know that the victims of Hurricanes Katrina
and Rita were fortunate to have these host communities who
provided physical, emotional, and even spiritual sustenance.
However, we need to ensure that when such a catastrophe occurs
again--and we know, unfortunately, one will--these host
communities have the resources that they need to adequately
address the human toll without placing undue strain on their
own populations. And we need to ensure that the people most
directly impacted by these catastrophes are able to access the
appropriate human mental and physical health care services.
Thank you, Senator.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Ms. Boyle. That was excellent.
And I understand we have a special guest, Mr. Davis? Your
mother is with us, I understand.
Mr. Davis. That is correct.
Senator Landrieu. Would you recognize her?
Mr. Davis. Stand up, Mom. [Laughter.]
Senator Landrieu. Welcome. We are glad you are here.
[Applause.]
TESTIMONY OF GREG DAVIS,\1\ COMMISSIONER, CAJUNDOME, AND
CHAIRMAN, IAAM SHELTER TASK FORCE
Mr. Davis. Thanks for the invitation to appear before your
Subcommittee, Senator.
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\1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Davis appears in the Appendix on
page 100.
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In response to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, many of
America's arenas, stadiums, and convention centers were asked
to convert their operations to mega-shelters to accommodate
thousands of evacuees who were in desperate need of basic
living necessities and medical services. Facility managers
around the country responded to this call without hesitation,
focusing with great passion on the needs of many senior
citizens, children, and families who were trying to survive a
terrible disaster.
Public assembly facilities were converted to mass care
facilities for extended periods. There was no precedence for
such operations. This new territory of facility management
required the resourcefulness and skill of the professional
facility manager and staff to respond adequately to the needs
of evacuees. They demonstrated an ability to perform under
extreme circumstances.
Before Hurricane Katrina, most shelters consisted of
schools, churches, and recreation centers. They were small,
accommodating up to a thousand people on average. For the first
time in our Nation's history, in response to Hurricanes Katrina
and Rita, arenas, convention centers, and stadiums were used to
accommodate tens of thousands of evacuees over several weeks.
These facilities provided sleeping arrangements, showers,
clothing, medical services, social services, postal services,
mental health counseling, classrooms, recreation centers,
religious services, laundry services, pet and animal control,
security, and three meals a day. Some facilities even required
isolation rooms to house evacuees with contagious diseases.
The Cajundome, which was used as a mega-shelter in
Lafayette, Louisiana, accommodated 18,500 evacuees over 58
days. It provided 409,000 meals to evacuees and first
responders. Houston's Reliant Park sheltered 27,100 evacuees
over 37 days. They processed another 65,000 evacuees located
throughout Houston as a processing center for the State.
Shelters in Dallas, including the Dallas Convention Center
and the Reunion Arena, provided shelter for 25,000, processed
another 27,000 for American Red Cross benefits over 39 days and
served 114,000-plus meals.
The first difficulty that confronted the facility manager
was the fear that was generated in communities from the
depiction of evacuees as looters, rapists, and thugs.
Television news created a false image of the evacuee. They were
not looters, they were not rapists, and they were not thugs.
They were senior citizens, children, mothers, and families
desperately trying to survive a devastating disaster.
When evacuees arrived by the busloads for the help that was
available at public assembly facilities, they found
professionals who were ready to deliver compassionate care in
spite of the televised sensationalism at the Superdome and the
Morial Convention Center.
Hurricane Katrina exposed several weaknesses in our
Nation's ability to respond to major disasters involving the
displacement of hundreds of thousands of people in a major
metropolitan area enduring almost total devastation. One of
those weaknesses involved the sheltering of evacuees before,
during, and after Hurricane Katrina. For the first time in our
Nation's history, the term ``mega-shelter'' was used to
describe public assembly facilities. The Hurricane Katrina
disaster exposed a vital need for nationally recognized mega-
shelter standards.
Managers who operate public assembly facilities relied on
their association, the International Association of Assembly
Managers, to respond to the need for best practice guidelines
for mega-shelter operations. Soon after the storms of 2005, the
IAAM reached out to facility managers affected by Hurricanes
Katrina and Rita. IAAM quickly discovered the need for an
industry task force to establish nationally recognized
guidelines for public assembly facilities that are converted to
mega-shelters. The IAAM also reached out to its industry
partners, the Department of Homeland Security, and the American
Red Cross and the faith-based community.
In the summer of 2006, it released comprehensive best
practice guidelines for mega-shelter operations. This booklet
was shipped to arenas, convention centers, and stadiums on the
Gulf Coast and the Atlantic Seaboard. If called into service,
facility managers will now have critical sheltering guidelines
that will help them face the extreme challenges of sheltering
thousands of evacuees from a major disaster.
In October of this year, we saw thousands of people in San
Diego fleeing their homes to the safety of Qualcomm Stadium.
This facility converted to mega-shelter operations quickly and
effectively. The lessons learned from the 2005 storms are
helping responders do better in servicing disaster victims.
To convert to mega-shelter operations, public assembly
facilities must stop their normal business operations and in
many cases cancel events. Most do not have a tax base to
sustain operations and are unable to generate revenues to make
payroll and to pay the expenses of operating the shelter.
In secondary and tertiary markets, this is especially
problematic due to the inability of local government to fund a
mega-shelter operation. Cleaning and custodial costs, for
example, can cost several thousand dollars per day when
hospital sanitation standards are required to prevent the
spread of infectious diseases. In many cases, cash reserves are
not sufficient to sustain the shelter operation over the long
term.
Through its partnerships with the Department of Homeland
Security and the American Red Cross, the IAAM hopes we can
agree on nationally recognized reimbursement guidelines that
will require FEMA to pay usage fees and to reimburse the hard
cost of sheltering operations and recovery.
Most public assembly facilities self-generate their
operating revenues. Most do not have a tax base to sustain
their operations once normal operations are stopped and events
are canceled. Federal Disaster Assistance Guidelines must
include the payment of usage fees, sheltering costs, and
recovery costs.
Public assembly facilities are now integral to disaster
response. These valuable public assets are now available for
the public good as they have never been before. The IAAM and
the public assembly industry it serves stand ready to assist
citizens across America when disasters require them to take
shelter in arenas, stadiums, or convention centers. Thank you.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you very much, and I know our time
is pressing, but I do have a couple of questions. And if you do
not mind, Mr. Davis, I would like to start with you because I
am very interested--I had read in your testimony and reviewed
this mega-shelter best practices national task force. Who
initiated the creation of that task force? And can you just say
a few more things about how it was formed, how often you all
met, and what the hopes are for an outcome? I think you have
described that in what you just said, but how was this task
force established, and by whom?
Mr. Davis. It was established by the International
Association of Assembly Managers, which is the association that
facility managers like myself belong to. I was the chairman of
that task force, and it included people from the Reliant Arena,
from the Dallas Convention Center, major facilities around the
country that became a mega-shelter. And we worked very closely
with the American Red Cross and the Department of Homeland
Security, met several times in Washington, DC, and other parts
of the country, and eventually within a 7-month period came out
with the first draft of the mega-shelter best practice
guidelines in anticipation of the hurricane season that was
coming upon us in 2006.
Senator Landrieu. All right. I am going to include your
report in my information, and I have just instructed the staff
to do so.
Have you all briefed the National Governors Association on
your findings or had any relationship with the National
Governors or the U.S. Conference of Mayors formally?
Mr. Davis. Not to my knowledge, Senator.
Senator Landrieu. Because I think that would be a very good
action for you all to take, and I would like to help you
expedite that. We can just do that informally, find out some
kind of way, because I do think that if we have--and we will;
it is just a matter of when--another massive evacuation, the
shelter component of this is a very important component. But it
is not the only component, as people will say. Many people went
to shelters, but not everybody went to shelters. We have got to
come up with a plan that can reach everyone, whether they are
housed in private homes, whether they are in shelters, or
whether they find shelter somewhere else in some sort of group
home facility or hotel, etc.
But since your group came together so well with this
shelter piece, I think the lessons learned would be very
helpful to communicate to those particular organizations.
Mr. Jetson, you have talked to me many times about this,
and I am well aware of the excellent work that you all have
done through the Family Corps, but again remind me: How was
that created? Was it created on executive order by our
governor? Is it modeled after anything or was it created by us
in response to this storm?
Mr. Jetson. It was created by folks within the State of
Louisiana in the aftermath of the storm, and it was created
within the context of input from those who were actually
involved in international disasters. It is in partnership with
the International Rescue Committee. Many of the components of
the Family Recovery Corps and its initial approaches to serving
people and families were in many ways the result of
partnerships and consultations with the International Rescue
Committee and others who were involved in large-scale
international incidents because the domestic response mechanism
had certainly not been faced with anything of this magnitude.
The Recovery Corps was created as Section 501(c)(3). It is a
private, not-for-profit.
I would share with you additionally that the Recovery Corps
has been embraced by the Louisiana Legislature with the passage
of an act which recognized the capacity of the Recovery Corps
to partner with the State in its response to future disasters,
and so it has been in some way codified in statute or
memorialized in statute as a valuable resource for the State.
I will share with you just very quickly, on a comment that
you made about the need to communicate with people both in
shelters and out of shelters, that the need for a centralized
area, a central area to call for information that is consistent
across sectors, regardless of where you are, is critical to
doing that. That is one of the experiences that we have found
from NOLA Bound for individuals who are out of State. One of
the things that we hear consistently is, ``Thank you for giving
us a way to call and find out what is really happening and what
is really important.'' And so an entity that has a centralized
call center that is staffed not simply by typical call center
staff but trained social service professionals is critical in
being able--and having that information shared broadly with
people who are impacted by disaster allows you to have that
funnel into all of the services that are available to them.
Senator Landrieu. I am somewhat familiar on this 211 system
that the country is trying to establish, 911 being for
immediate emergencies. We all know what that is, but can
someone discuss the detils of 211?
Mr. Jetson. I will be very brief.
Senator Landrieu. OK, go ahead.
Mr. Jetson. I actually met today, Senator, with the
executives of the United Ways from across the State to discuss
211, which is an information and referral system for social
services for people, and it is a centralized entry point into
not only those services that are provided by government
agencies, but for local nonprofits and other faith-based
organizations who provide services in communities.
The Department of Social Services in this State under its
current leadership has invested in the 211 system, and
certainly likewise has the United Ways across the State. But I
think that the potential is there for a statewide system that
would provide access to information for people not only during
times of disaster but year-round.
Judge Eckels. Senator, we made extensive use of 211 during
Hurricane Katrina, and it is today our registration system, our
primary registration system for special-needs people who want
services to be evacuated. The challenge is getting them to keep
their information current. They register today. Next year at
hurricane season, they have to call in again. But it is a
valuable resource.
Senator Landrieu. I am not sure I know the origins of 211.
I actually have a piece of legislation trying to help them now.
But it seems to me that might be a model that you could have
established 211 just to operate regularly. People always need
more coordination at a center point. But when there is a mega-
disaster, have 211 step up to be able to fill that role of a
coordinating entity. That is is something we should probably
pursue.
Mr. Jetson. I would just suggest to you, Senator, that to
view them as a coordinating agency is a risky proposition.
Senator Landrieu. Not coordinating. A clearinghouse?
Mr. Jetson. Yes, sharing of information and pointing
people----
Senator Landrieu. A clearinghouse of shared information.
Mr. Jetson. And I think that as you would in the advent of
a disaster utilize them as an access point for certain things,
should that be the decision, I think as it relates to the needs
of people in families, that information has to be fed to
someone who would assume responsibility for coordinating a
response to the needs that are identified. And I certainly,
with no disrespect to 211, would suggest to you that they are
not the appropriate entities to do that. And I certainly don't
want to sound self-serving. And so if it is in Louisiana not
the Louisiana Family Recovery Corps, then it would need to be
someone else.
Senator Landrieu. Well, let me drill down here, then,
because this is a very important component. Try to explain in
your view what is the role of a model like Louisiana Recovery
Corps--which I think I understand--and how it would work with a
model like 211, if that were put together.
Mr. Jetson. We have, first of all, recognized the value of
211 in that we have invested resources in it for the last 2
years to increase their capacity and increase their staff.
In a statewide model that our 211 system is still evolving
to, in a statewide model where people can simply press 211 and
have access to information about social services in the time of
a disaster, they can access--people can call, whether they are
in shelters, whether they are wherever, and where there are
needs, Senator, information can be gleaned and then shared with
the appropriate entities--the data or contact information. They
certainly can be an access point for information and
information gathering. But there has to be a partnership with
somebody who accepts responsibility for the response to those
needs. And as they relate to the needs of people and the
recovery of human beings, I am going to suggest in Louisiana,
self-serving though it may be, that the Louisiana Family
Recovery Corps is the appropriate entity to do that.
Judge Eckels. Senator Landrieu.
Senator Landrieu. Go ahead, Judge, and then I have a
question for Mr. Hebert.
Judge Eckels. To follow up on that 211 question, too, if
you will look at 211 as inherently a local operation--and it
needs to be--one of the things the Federal Government could do
is help with the technology to share information. So when
somebody in Houston calls 211 and asks about programs in
Louisiana, they can get an answer.
Then the other comment I would make on the mass shelters
that 211 could help with is a national registration database
through the technology so that we would know where people were.
If you can imagine you and I and Raymond in the Superdome on a
Saints game and say we could find each other, that is what the
Astrodome was like. And you do not find each other. Even people
in the same facility, much less when they are loaded on buses
and do not know where they are going and Mom is in Houston and
Dad is in Dallas and the kids are in Baton Rouge, it takes a
long time to match those families up, and a common national
registry would be a big help. That is a system that could do
it. And if you are looking for a role for the Federal
Government in 211, it is supplying the technology and the base
to link those systems so that the local social service needs
that we--in Houston, what we do--we do not know what is going
on with Louisiana Recovery--we may today, but that is not what
we do in 211. We deal with our local and State programs.
Senator Landrieu. Well, I am pleased to say that with my
support and others, the Center for Missing and Exploited
Children was able to receive some emergency money to set up and
they are in the process of setting up sort of a national family
reunification model. That may or may not be the model that we
use for the future, but at least I know that there is at least
one developing. But within shelters, there need to be
communications of coordinating where people are.
Sheriff, you said that the Federal Government was resistant
and nonresponsive allowing criminal backgrounds to be shared
with law enforcement. Is that still the case, or was that ever
corrected?
Mr. Hebert. Senator, I must tell you, perhaps out of my
most recent ignorance, I am not quite sure if it has changed. I
do know that there were several court challenges here in
Louisiana specifically aimed at FEMA.
I would like to show the distinction this way. When
evacuees came to our shelters, as they were describing on the
mass level, they came in. To the best of your ability, you
identified them based on what they would tell you, and in many
cases there were no supporting documents. It is when they went
out into the local communities, as they were to be placed from
an interim standpoint by FEMA and other Federal agencies, is
where we lost contact and control of what was happening in our
own environment. Particularly, as I described, into your first
year, when you have these new residents, the face of crime
changes. The face of the actual dynamics of your community
interactively, violence on the street, murders, armed
robberies, things like that, takes on an entirely new face.
So we were stressed to try to figure out exactly who we
were dealing with, and as time went on, through crime and
statistics, we were able to identify and earmark to some degree
the long-term residents in the area and then start to be able
to do intelligence gathering, things like that.
We even resorted to--from a social standpoint, I sent out
officers, community resource officers, to knock on doors in
areas that we knew FEMA had contracted housing, what we
considered to be longer term, and do visits, site visits. And
hopefully they would tell you the truth as to who they were,
and then you--there is that element of privacy, we certainly do
understand. But we struggled with trying to thread that needle
between a local, State, and then ultimately through the Federal
agencies that had known identities to their ability of the
residents they were housing.
Senator Landrieu. OK. I think I have covered all my
questions. Is there anything that anybody else feels compelled
to add to the record? All of your testimony has been submitted
in writing, and that will be part of the record. We filmed the
whole hearing today. That will be part of the record.
This is the seventh in a series of probably 15 hearings
that I am conducting in the Nation's capital and around the
country on this subject, and we will be introducing a major
piece of legislation based on this work, probably in the middle
of the spring. So please know that your information is going to
be very helpful to the crafting of that piece of legislation,
and there are many Members of Congress extremely interested in
this subject, as you can imagine, for many reasons. And I think
several Presidential candidates, if not all of them, are going
to be interested in the recommendations that come from this
Subcommittee.
So thank you very much. The meeting is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 4:10 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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