[Senate Hearing 109-507]
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S. Hrg. 109-507
KEMPTHORNE NOMINATION
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HEARING
before the
COMMITTEE ON
ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES
UNITED STATES SENATE
ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
TO
TO CONSIDER THE NOMINATION OF DIRK KEMPTHORNE TO BE SECRETARY OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
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MAY 4, 2006
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COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES
PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico, Chairman
LARRY E. CRAIG, Idaho JEFF BINGAMAN, New Mexico
CRAIG THOMAS, Wyoming DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii
LAMAR ALEXANDER, Tennessee BYRON L. DORGAN, North Dakota
LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska RON WYDEN, Oregon
RICHARD M. BURR, North Carolina, TIM JOHNSON, South Dakota
MEL MARTINEZ, Florida MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana
JAMES M. TALENT, Missouri DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California
CONRAD BURNS, Montana MARIA CANTWELL, Washington
GEORGE ALLEN, Virginia KEN SALAZAR, Colorado
GORDON SMITH, Oregon ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey
JIM BUNNING, Kentucky
Bruce M. Evans, Staff Director
Judith K. Pensabene, Chief Counsel
Bob Simon, Democratic Staff Director
Sam Fowler, Democratic Chief Counsel
C O N T E N T S
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STATEMENTS
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Akaka, Hon. Daniel K., U.S. Senator from Hawaii.................. 6
Alexander, Hon. Lamar, U.S. Senator from Tennessee............... 7
Allen, Hon. George, U.S. Senator from Virginia................... 16
Bingaman, Hon. Jeff, U.S. Senator from New Mexico................ 4
Bunning, Hon. Jim, U.S. Senator from Kentucky.................... 9
Burr, Hon. Richard M., U.S. Senator from North Carolina.......... 13
Burns, Hon. Conrad R., U.S. Senator from Montana................. 15
Cantwell, Hon. Maria, U.S. Senator from Washington............... 12
Craig, Hon. Larry E., U.S. Senator from Idaho.................... 1
Crapo, Hon. Michael D., U.S. Senator from Idaho.................. 2
Domenici, Hon. Pete V., U.S. Senator from New Mexico............. 1
Dorgan, Hon. Byron L., U.S. Senator from North Dakota............ 7
Kempthorne, Hon. Dirk, Nominee to be Secretary of the Interior... 19
Landrieu, Hon. Mary L., U.S. Senator from Louisiana.............. 10
Martinez, Hon. Mel, U.S. Senator from Florida.................... 18
Menendez, Hon. Robert, U.S. Senator from New Jersey.............. 17
Murkowski, Hon. Lisa, U.S. Senator from Alaska................... 8
Salazar, Hon. Ken, U.S. Senator from Colorado.................... 13
Smith, Hon. Gordon, U.S. Senator from Oregon..................... 10
Thomas, Hon. Craig, U.S. Senator from Wyoming.................... 5
Wyden, Hon. Ron, U.S. Senator from Oregon........................ 9
APPENDIXES
Appendix I
Responses to additional questions................................ 53
Appendix II
Additional material submitted for the record..................... 99
KEMPTHORNE NOMINATION
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THURSDAY, MAY 4, 2006
U.S. Senate,
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources,
Washington, DC.
The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:08 a.m., in
room SD-366, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Pete V.
Domenici, chairman, presiding.
OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. PETE V. DOMENICI,
U.S. SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO
The Chairman. The hearing will please come to order. Good
morning, everyone.
We are here this morning to consider the nomination of
Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne to be Secretary of the
Department of the Interior. Before we begin, our colleagues,
Senator Craig of this committee and Senator Crapo, have asked
to make a few remarks. Senator Craig, would you please proceed?
And then, Senator Crapo, would you follow.
Senator Craig.
STATEMENT OF HON. LARRY E. CRAIG, U.S. SENATOR
FROM IDAHO
Senator Craig. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for
allowing us to introduce our Governor.
Let me start with this quote, ``This is the way the Federal
land management should work. Cooperation, not confrontation,
should be the hallmark of conservation efforts.'' That is a
quote from our Governor, Dirk Kempthorne. In a nutshell, this
quote by Governor Kempthorne summarizes his approach to
difficult issues and demonstrates, in my opinion, that he is a
leader.
Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, it is my honor
and privilege to introduce my friend and colleague of long
standing, Governor Dirk Kempthorne. Governor Kempthorne is the
best person for the position of Secretary of the Interior. He
is a problem solver, a leader, and has demonstrated that he is
a good steward of the land. Idaho is the perfect training
ground for the issues Dirk will deal with as the Secretary of
the Interior.
From management of public lands to energy development to
endangered species, Idaho has it all. As a public servant
whether it was mayor, U.S. Senator or Governor, Dirk has
demonstrated he can bring opposing groups to the table to solve
problems. Letters of support from far and wide have come in.
Mr. Chairman, you have 40 Governors who have signed a letter in
support of this nominee, Democrat and Republican. We are joined
today by the chairman of the Coeur d'Alene Tribe of Idaho,
Chief Allan. Gentlemen, Chief Allan's support states this about
Dirk Kempthorne, that he has immersed himself in issues related
to public lands and natural resources. Has provided him, the
chief says, with a foundation of experience to be our next
Secretary of the Interior.
Last, I would like to share what President Bill Clinton
said as he signed the Kempthorne Safe Drinking Water bill, some
years back. ``Senator Kempthorne,'' he said, ``thank you,
especially for your effort on this issue. I know how long and
hard you have worked on it. This legislation represents a real
triumph because it demonstrates what we can achieve, here in
Washington and in this country, when we turn away from
partisanship and embrace shared values.'' So it is with great
pride that I introduce to you, my fellow committee members, the
Governor of the State of Idaho and President George W. Bush's
nominee to be our next Secretary of the Interior, Governor Dirk
Kempthorne. Thank you all.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Senator Crapo.
STATEMENT OF HON. MICHAEL D. CRAPO, U.S. SENATOR
FROM IDAHO
Senator Crapo. Thank you very much, Chairman Domenici,
Ranking Member Bingaman, and members of the committee.
It is my pleasure to be here to introduce to you my good
friend and our Governor, Dirk Kempthorne. He is the President's
nominee to be the new Secretary of the Interior. As some of you
know from your service together, Dirk is a man of many
accomplishments and is a man of the highest character and
integrity. I have known Dirk since the 1980's, when we both
serviced the public in Idaho. Dirk was then the mayor of the
city of Boise and I served in the Idaho State Senate. In fact,
we came to Congress together, Dirk as a Senator and I as a
Congressman. I sort of owe my current job to him, as I won his
seat when he left the Senate to go back to the State of Idaho
to become our Governor.
As we all know, Dirk has dedicated his life to public
service. From his time in the Idaho Department of Lands, as
mayor, as Senator, and as Governor, he has always been
recognized by those from all sides of all issues for his unique
character and his ability as a leader. He combines a thorough
understanding of policy with the consensus-building abilities
required to see that the right policies are carried out through
legislation and executive action. These qualities will serve
the Nation well as he takes on the many challenges facing the
Department of the Interior in the 21st century.
The diversity of his public service, especially as mayor
and Governor, helped teach Dirk the real value of federalism,
one that recognizes that the Government closest to the people
is to do the most, and often with the fewest resources. I like
to think that his service as mayor taught him the lessons that
ultimately led to his leadership in enacting the Unfunded
Mandates Act during his time in the Senate.
A further reflection of that approach is his pioneering
work on the Endangered Species Act issues. In the Senate, Dirk
preceded me as chairman of the Subcommittee on Fisheries,
Wildlife and Water in the Committee on Environment and Public
Works, with jurisdiction over species conservation. In that
capacity, he lead a bipartisan effort to update and improve our
Nation's laws to better protect and promote the recovery of
endangered and threatened species while recognizing the funding
challenges and the need to protect people in the process.
As Governor, Dirk has kept up his beacon call and has
launched a successful public education initiative through both
the National Governors Association and the Western Governors'
Association on the importance of ESA issues. Dirk has become a
respected national authority on resource issues and a promoter
of collaborative decisionmaking to solve environmental
conflicts.
As Governor, he also forged a strong working relationship
with the five Native American tribes that reside in Idaho. As
Senator Craig has indicated, the chairman of one of those
tribes is here today in support. Dirk recognizes the complexity
of our trustee relationships with our Nation's tribes and has
continuously sought to work corporately on matters that affect
both the State and Native Americans. As chief steward of the
State for the past 8 years, Dirk has been a vigorous champion
of innovation in environmental and natural resource sciences.
Through his leadership, the State has taken a leading role in
applying scientific and technological innovation and research
to the complex world of environmental and natural resource
management. Dirk has also worked to advance the environmental
mission of the Department of Energy's Idaho National
Laboratory.
I know many of you have worked with Dirk over the years and
I am confident that you found him to be an effective leader and
a valuable colleague. Mr. Chairman, I whole-heartedly support
Dirk Kempthorne's nomination as Secretary of Department of the
Interior. There is no question in my mind that he will make a
superlative Secretary and be one of whom we can be proud.
Chairman Domenici, again I thank you for providing me the
opportunity to speak on behalf of Dirk's nomination. I urge you
and the committee to swiftly and favorably report his
nomination to the full Senate. I look forward to working with
you and Dirk and others in Congress on the pressing natural
resource issues facing our Nation today. Thank you.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator. Now, before the
two of you Senators leave, do any Senators up here at the dais
have a question of either of the two Senators who have spoken
on behalf of Senator Kempthorne? Anybody desire to speak or ask
a question of Larry Craig or Mike Crapo?
You are excused, Senators. Thank you very much for your
testimony.
Now, Governor, it comes time, a pleasant time before a
hearing when we permit you, if you have members of your family
present, to introduce them so that they can share with you in
this event. If they are with you, would you please introduce
them to us.
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.
It is a great joy and pleasure for me to introduce to this
committee my wife, Patricia, of 28 years. Twenty-nine this
year. And our daughter, Heather, and our son, Jeff.
The Chairman. We are delighted that you came and joined in.
We remember when you were with us before, when you left us to
go home and I assume you made this big decision to come back.
You have smiles on your faces, so it must be with joy that you
made that decision. At least I say that to you as his wife. We
hope it is going to be a joyful time here. Thank you for
joining us.
Now, we are going to proceed with the hearing. I welcome
you back to the Senate and to this committee, Dirk. I want to
thank you for your willingness to undertake the
responsibilities of this magnitude in this administration.
Everyone around here--and in particular the members of this
committee--knows the importance of the issues that you will
receive if you are confirmed: Issues important to our energy
policy, our parks, our memorials, our national treasures of all
types, our western water policy, and on and on. I think I speak
for everyone here, certainly everyone on this side of the dais
that we could not be more pleased to have someone with the
experience that you have willing to take the helm of the
Department of the Interior.
That confidence in you has also been reflected in numerous
letters of support that we have received, one of which I want
to note and ensure its inclusion in the record. This letter,
fellow Senators, is the letter of support of 40 Republican and
Democratic Governors. That is a tremendous vote of confidence
and an indication of the caliber of expertise and judgment and
willingness to work together and the ability to work together
that you would bring to this Department.
It is my hope that we can get you quickly confirmed to this
position. The Department needs to have an experienced
Secretary, one who can take the helm running and do that as
soon as possible. Major decisions that must be made are on
hold. Many more will be coming down the pike in the next few
months. I don't say that in any way to frighten you. You are
fully aware of it or you wouldn't have taken this job. There
are a load of decisions to be made, some ready and some waiting
just waiting to come across your desk.
We can't afford to leave the department without permanent
leadership, so this chairman will do everything that he can to
get you in the place the President has asked you to be as soon
as possible. But we all know this is a process, a process that
the Constitution provides, and it may take some time, that is
the prerogative of the U.S. Senate.
Now, with that, I am going to yield to Senator Bingaman,
who may want to make opening remarks, and then I am going to
yield in due course to any other Senator who would like to
comment. I would only ask, please, if other Senators desire to
comment, unless they have something extraordinary, would you
please make the comments as brief as possible. Senator
Bingaman, this does not apply to you. Senator.
[Laughter.]
STATEMENT OF HON. JEFF BINGAMAN, U.S. SENATOR
FROM NEW MEXICO
Senator Bingaman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I assure you I
have nothing extraordinary to say here, but I appreciate the
chance to welcome Governor Kempthorne back to the Senate, and
to make a couple of obvious points that I am sure he is aware
of. We have a great deal of debate and discussion going on here
in Washington, here in the Congress and in the administration
about the soaring price of gas and what is needed to deal with
our energy needs. That is an important issue, as I believe you
said, Mr. Chairman, for the Secretary of the Interior. The
Department of the Interior manages the lands and waters that
generate a third of our domestic energy, so it is a significant
issue, but obviously, the Secretary of the Interior is not the
Secretary of Energy. The Secretary of the Interior's job is a
different job and I would sum it up--and I think this is
consistent with what Senator Craig was saying in his comments.
I would say the Secretary of the Interior's job is that of
steward and chief, perhaps, of our Nation's lands and natural
resources. I think, more clearly, to be the faithful steward of
the parks, the monuments, the wildlife refuges, the wilderness
areas, the public lands, the wild and scenic rivers, to protect
historic sites that have been designated by the Congress and
natural areas that have been designated, and to leave those
unimpaired for future generations to enjoy.
There has been criticism of the Department of the Interior
in the last several years. In particular, that there has been
too much emphasis on commercial exploitation of the resources
and not enough on stewardship of the resources. I just cite
that as an issue that you are clearly going to have to grapple
with and make decisions on. If confirmed, Governor Kempthorne
will have the opportunity to put his own imprint on these
policies and actions of the Department. It is my great hope
that in this new position you will be able to work to repair
the lines of communication with this committee, which I don't
think have been all that they should have been in recent years,
and restore the balance--and ensure the balance, I should say,
between development and conservation, which is appropriate,
and, of course, review policies of the Department to be sure
that this important role of being the steward of our national
resources is given the priority it deserves.
Thank you again for the chance to speak, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Bingaman.
Now we are going to proceed on our side. Senator Thomas of
Wyoming, would you like to comment, please.
STATEMENT OF HON. CRAIG THOMAS, U.S. SENATOR
FROM WYOMING
Senator Thomas. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be
very brief. I want to tell the Governor how pleased we are to
have him here and look forward very much to it. Wyoming, of
course, is a State where over half of our land is owned by the
Federal Government and managed by Interior agencies. Seventy
percent of the sub-surface minerals are managed and run by the
Government, so this is very important to us. We have a number
of conflicts going on out there now, with respect to wolf
management and some of those things that need to be resolved.
We can do this and we certainly look forward to it.
So, I am very pleased that you are here. I am very pleased
that you have had the experience of working in the West in
public land States with the kinds of things that we are all
faced with, and certainly we look forward to working with you.
I invite you to come to Wyoming and get acquainted a little
more closely with our issues. Thank you for being here. Thank
you for being able to take this on. We look forward to working
with you. Thank you.
[The prepared statement of Senator Thomas follows:]
Prepared Statement of Hon. Craig Thomas, U.S. Senator From Wyoming
I would like to welcome Governor Kempthorne to the hearing today.
This nomination is very important to my state as well as the nation,
and I appreciate you being here today.
The Department of the Interior is the next-door neighbor to nearly
everyone in Wyoming. Just over half of our land is owned by the federal
government. When you look at subsurface mineral ownership the federal
share jumps to 70%. The vast majority of that federal land is managed
by Department of the Interior agencies, including the Bureau of Land
Management (BLM), National Park Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Fish
and Wildlife Service, and Bureau of Reclamation. Wyoming is home to two
of the nation's most spectacular National Parks--Yellowstone and Grand
Teton. It is also home to the third largest Indian reservation--the
Wind River Reservation.
Obviously the people of Wyoming are very concerned with how their
neighbor, the Department of the Interior, manages their land. Our
National Parks are special places that need special protections and
attention. Our reservation is also unique, and the people who live
there have many needs. Interior's management the land influences almost
every sector of our economy, from coal and oil and gas development, to
agriculture, to tourism and recreation.
I understand that some of Interior's management decisions are
controversial.
For example, the listing of the wolf continues to be a contentious
issue in the West. The wolf population in the northern Rocky Mountains
is ready to delist, however, the State of Wyoming and the Department of
the Interior remain at odds over the management and delisting of
wolves. As the Governor of Idaho, you understand this issue from the
states' perspective, and I am hopeful that perspective and your
experiences will lead to an agreeable resolution. Continued conflict is
not good for the Department or Wyoming. One of the problems, and the
source of much of the conflict, has been getting Interior officials
with decision-making authority to come to the Wyoming. As a result,
public trust and confidence in Interior remains low in Wyoming.
Another issue is oil and gas development in Wyoming. Interior's
role in the current energy boom being felt in Wyoming is clear, as much
of the development and production involves Interior owned mineral and
Interior-issued permits. Energy production is important to Wyoming and
the nation. The people of my state are doing their part to help meet
the nation's appetite for energy. Development is needed, but at the
same time we must remember that there are costs to the land and the
people who live there.
Governor Kempthorne, I would like to invite you to come to Wyoming
after you are confirmed to meet with people on the ground to talk about
the many issues your agency is facing. I would like a commitment from
you today that you will visit my state. It will be important to get out
of Washington and meet and talk with the residents, employees, and
officials who are impacted by these issues. As a Governor, you know how
critical it is to be a hands-on leader willing to go out in the field
to talk to the people. I truly believe that your success depends on it.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
On the Democrat side, Senator Akaka.
STATEMENT OF HON. DANIEL K. AKAKA, U.S. SENATOR
FROM HAWAII
Senator Akaka. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am so
pleased to see my good friend and colleague, Governor of Idaho
Dirk Kempthorne. I want to say hello to you and welcome and
also to Patricia and the family here.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for
being here today. I know you so well and know that you have the
experience--great experience as a public servant, in your State
as well as here in the Senate. When you are confirmed, I know
your wisdom will help our country, as being steward of our
country's land and natural resources. As guardian of the
national parks and our most sacred historic sites, as well as
much of this fish and wildlife, it will be your job to protect
these valuable resources for our children and our children's
children. So, it is very important to me and to our country. I
look forward to working with you. My questions--I just want to
tell you that I have an important issue to mention to you and
hopefully will have your commitment. I look forward to hearing
you and your testimony.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Back on our side, Senator Alexander.
STATEMENT OF HON. LAMAR ALEXANDER, U.S. SENATOR
FROM TENNESSEE
Senator Alexander. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Governor
Kempthorne, we welcome you. You should be a terrific Secretary
of the Interior. The three areas that I am most interested in
we have already talked about. I will mention them in a total of
about 60 seconds here.
One is your interest in the State side of the Land and
Water Conservation Fund. Senator Salazar and I and many others
have worked on that and look forward to working with you on
that. Second is the revision of the management policies in the
Department. We have talked about that. Senator Thomas and his
subcommittee have held hearings on that. We will be holding
more. That is very important to a number of us here. Third is
you have an important decision to be making on the so-called
``Road to Nowhere'' through the Great Smoky Mountain National
Park, which if it were built would take 75 years of funding
from the park road budget and build three bridges the size of
the Brooklyn Bridge through the wilderness area. I hope you
will decide that is a bad idea and instead compensate Swain
County, which has been recommended by the Governors of North
Carolina, Tennessee and me. But we will talk about those
issues. I look forward to working with you. I thank you for
being willing to serve.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Senator Dorgan.
STATEMENT OF HON. BYRON L. DORGAN, U.S. SENATOR
FROM NORTH DAKOTA
Senator Dorgan. Mr. Chairman, first of all, let me confess
to liking Dirk Kempthorne. He and I and many on this committee
have worked together in the Senate, and I am pleased to support
his nomination.
I want to mention two things very quickly. One, Senator
McCain and I and others in our role in the Indian Affairs
Committee have worked very hard to try to begin to resolve the
Cobell case, the systematic mismanagement of Indian trust funds
over many, many years. This is a very big issue, a very
important issue. I have talked to you about it previously,
Governor Kempthorne. I hope it will be a priority for you, as
it is for us, to see if we can finally resolve this.
Second and last point, it has been since February of last
year that there has been an Assistant Secretary for Indian
Affairs. We really need to have someone appointed to be
Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs. It has traditionally
been a Native American. My hope is that you would also see that
as a priority and that as your choice. I hope we can move
quickly. There are just so many pressing issues: The crisis and
health care, housing and education on Indian reservations.
I look forward to working with you. While we might disagree
from time to time, I feel very strongly that Senator--and now
Governor--Kempthorne is the kind of person that will work with
all of us on issues and try to find the right result. So, thank
you very much.
The Chairman. Senator, on that vacancy, you can rest
assured that I am working on it also. I think it is shameful.
We have to find someone and we have to do that. This may be the
catalyst to get it done. It is very important that we find
somebody.
On our side, please. The Senator from Alaska.
STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, U.S. SENATOR
FROM ALASKA
Senator Murkowski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning,
Governor Kempthorne, nice to have you here. And again I also
thank you for your willingness to serve. I enjoyed the
conversation that we had several weeks back for me to share
some of Alaska's concerns that are perhaps not new to you, but
just again a reminder. And I don't want to quibble with my
colleague here from Wyoming about which State might have a
greater interest in this position of Secretary of the Interior,
but I think it is fair to say that we in the Western States
look very, very carefully at this position because you are our
Federal landlord. I guess if I would have to pick a Federal
landlord, I am certainly much more comfortable with one who has
been managing lands in the West and who understands so many of
our issues. I look forward to working with you on that.
As you know, we are approaching our 50th anniversary of
statehood. We would really like to think that some of the
promises made to us on statehood would be complete when it
comes to our conveyances of the lands. We have not yet
completed the conveyances of the 104 million acres that were
promised to Alaska under our Statehood Act. Our native
corporation still has not received the full 44 million acres of
land and there are far too many applicants for our native
allotments under the Act of 1906 that are still waiting to
receive the lands that they are entitled to.
When we look at those lands designed as wilderness, we have
half, one full half of all the federally designated wilderness
is in the State of Alaska. We have 57 million acres. When you
add the land that is managed as wilderness, it is 76 million
acres total. It is about 16% of our State, of Alaska's entire
landmass, which is managed as wilderness. A lot of people don't
recognize this, but again, that puts your responsibility in the
Department of the Interior right up there in terms of those
that we look to for assistance. When we recognized that \2/3\
of the total acres managed by the National Park Service are
located in the State of Alaska--84% of the acres managed by the
Fish and Wildlife Service are in Alaska. I can go on and give
the statistics and once again impress how big and how important
Alaska is, but our relationship with the Department of the
Interior is exceptionally key.
I look forward to your visit this summer, so that we can
walk through some of these acres and again impress upon you the
importance of your position, your role as our landlord. I look
forward to working with you in many, many capacities and again
for your willingness to serve.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. The distinguished Senator from the State of
Oregon.
STATEMENT OF HON. RON WYDEN, U.S. SENATOR
FROM OREGON
Senator Wyden. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Governor, you and I
go back a long way and I have always enjoyed working with you.
I am going to be asking you about a number of topics this
morning over the course of our discussion. I am particularly
concerned about the fate of a law that Senator Craig and I
wrote. It is called the Secure Rural Schools and Communities
Self-Determination Act. And what the administration proposes to
do is to sell off hundreds of thousands of acres of our public
lands, while at the same time turning off the lights in much of
rural America. We are not going to be able to pay for our
schools and law enforcement and other services if the
administration is successful in cutting this program back 60%,
as has been proposed, while at the same time selling off
America's treasures.
And what Senator Craig and I did 6 years ago, for the first
time in decades, was break the polarization in the debate over
natural resources. We have something that works, and yet the
administration wants to abandon it, sell off America's
treasures, and whack our rural schools and communities. It was
a bipartisan effort between Senator Craig and I. I will be
asking you about that and other topics, but I want you to know
as we go into these hearings that I very much enjoyed our
working relationship in the past and I will look forward to
continuing that.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
The Senator from Kentucky.
STATEMENT OF HON. JIM BUNNING, U.S. SENATOR
FROM KENTUCKY
Senator Bunning. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, Dirk. I
want you to know up front that I am going to be 100% behind
your nomination. Rather than talk about legislation, I want to
thank you for saving my life and my wife's life in Boise. When
the University of Louisville came up to play Boise State, it
was 9 degrees. If I hadn't gotten in a--not your box, but some
enclosure in the second half, I would not have made it to the
end of the game.
[Laughter.]
Senator Bunning. And I want to thank you for that. You will
do the same job at the Department of the Interior. Save what we
have of natural resources and do the things that are necessary.
Thank you for being here. I thank you for your willingness to
serve.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Who is next? You are next, Senator Landrieu.
STATEMENT OF HON. MARY L. LANDRIEU, U.S. SENATOR
FROM LOUISIANA
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Governor, I want
to extend my sincere appreciation for the quality of your
public service and the extent of your public service, and I
look forward to working through your nomination and the process
that we have started.
As you know, the State of Louisiana--in the meeting that we
had, and you were very gracious to come and visit with us on
the subject--plays host to about 30% of the Nation's oil and
gas production. Since I think a picture speaks a thousand words
and we just got this new picture developed, this is what the
State of Louisiana's pipeline system looks like. That keeps the
oil and gas flowing into the country and keeps a lot of the
lights on, most of the lights around the Nation.
Mr. Secretary, as you know, we had two monster storms hit
this coast. We are losing the equivalent of 33 football fields
a day. We have lost over a million square miles of wetlands,
and if we don't act immediately to correct this situation, we
will lose one of the greatest treasures in the United States of
America, which is the last coastal wetland in the United
States. This wetland contributes more to oil and gas production
in the country than any place, including Alaska or the West.
The only solution that we have been able to come up with is a
revenue sharing or coastal impact assistance that will help not
just Louisiana but the gulf coast States. My questions through
this hearing and through your nomination will be about what
your position is regarding leading the effort for equity and
for common sense when it comes to energy production and
responsibility to our environment as we proceed forward. Thank
you.
The Chairman. Thank you very much.
Senator Smith.
STATEMENT OF HON. GORDON SMITH, U.S. SENATOR
FROM OREGON
Senator Smith. Dirk, welcome. You are a good neighbor to
Oregon and a good friend of mine. I look forward
enthusiastically to voting in the affirmative when your
confirmation comes to the floor. I want to echo what Senator
Wyden said, about how important these county payments are to
States like Oregon and Idaho, Washington State, Montana, even
Mississippi.
I also want to link with the past, which is related to much
of the stewardship you are about to assume. The Department of
the Interior is responsible for the management of probably
about 25% of the State of Oregon. The Forest Service takes
another 25%. Our State, like many of my colleagues', is more
than half owned by the Federal Government. Your Department,
specifically under the BLM, manages 2 million forested acres in
western Oregon known as the O&C lands. By statute, these lands
are to be managed for the permanent timber production for the
benefit of those counties there. They have received in the past
not just family-waged jobs, but 25% of the value of the timber
production, known as timber receipts.
This all went away in the 1990's. The spotted owl was
listed under the Endangered Species Act. We were told that it
was listed because of overharvesting. I won't comment on
whether it was overharvested or not. I suspect it was
overharvested, but the linkage was made between harvest and the
survival of the spotted owl.
But 16 years later, we have learned that the real threat to
the spotted owl is the barred owl. The barred owl is bigger
than the spotted owl. It competes with it for territory. It
eats it when it can. And it is driving down its numbers and the
barred owl numbers are increasing. The barred owl is not native
to the Pacific Northwest, it is from the Midwest, but it is
flourishing there at the expense of the spotted owl.
The Chairman. Isn't that amazing?
Senator Craig. Yes.
Senator Smith. But in the meantime, these communities have
suffered devastating losses to their livelihood, to their
survival. And the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, under your
jurisdiction, is responsible for the recovery of the spotted
owl. And yet, 16 years later we still don't have a recovery
plan for the spotted owl. We need you to have one. We need it
fast, because until we have a path to return to the old ways,
Senator Wyden and I and many of our other colleagues are going
to fight with all the tools available for us to preserve some
safety net. When the Federal Government owns you and makes
commitments and then it changes the deal, the change comes with
a cost, and we face it in human terms every time we go home. We
need a plan. We need a recovery plan for the owl.
We also need to add some common sense management to the
recovery of these enormous wildfires that we have that have
consumed approaching a million acres of spotted owl habitat,
left unattended just to nature to take its course after these
catastrophic fires that burn hotter than anything that we have
known in natural history because of the overgrowth, the
blowdown, the snowdown. The volatility of these fires will
leave these places moonscapes for a century or more. We need
something better than that as the answer.
I hope you will review the status of the whole issue of the
owl. People are counting on you. I look forward to working with
you to find a defensible recovery strategy. I applaud the
Bureau of Reclamation for the way they have worked on the
burning issue of water in eastern Oregon, and places like
Klamath Falls in southern Oregon. I hope we will see a
continuation of that collaborative effort. They have done an
outstanding job. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Dirk--Mr.
Secretary, almost.
The Chairman. Thank you very much. Senator Cantwell.
STATEMENT OF HON. MARIA CANTWELL, U.S. SENATOR
FROM WASHINGTON
Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Governor, Mr.
Chairman, I was going to just enter a statement for the record,
but seeing where we are going with time, I think I will make a
few comments about questions that I want to ask you, because we
need to get to a vote. First of all, welcome. I know you do
understand regional issues in the Northwest, having grown up in
Spokane and serving as a steward of the region as Governor and
working with our Governor in Washington State. I plan to ask
you about the National Park System, something that we are very
proud of in the Northwest and a key component of Washington
State's $200 million outdoor recreation industry. I would like
to ask you about your predecessors' policies, particularly as
they relate to the parks and the ongoing rewrite of the Park
Service's management policies. I want to be clear with you on
my concerns about this new rewrite as it relates to increased
use of snowmobiles, ATVs, and jet skis. I'd like to know your
feelings about the original charter and mission of the Park
Service and how you view that and view the conflicts in the
rewrite.
I guess when you have friends on the committee you get an
advance of the questions that are going to be asked, so that is
what I think some of my colleagues have been doing and I am
going to continue that.
Royalty relief is a big issue for the Secretary of the
Interior. I am very concerned that the Department of the
Interior's estimates are that taxpayers will lose about $9.5
billion in royalty relief and yet the GAO has come up with a
much larger number. So, why is there a discrepancy and how
aggressive will you be as Secretary of the Interior in pursuing
this issue?
My colleague from Louisiana just talked about the issues
that have faced that region related to dealing with coastal
erosion.
One of the things that I have been most proud of as a
Washingtonian is the work that the long-time Senator from
Washington State, Scoop Jackson, did in the creation of the
Land and Water Conservation Fund in 1965. I am very concerned
about the administration's short-sighting of the state-side
grant program of the Land and Water Conservation Fund. I would
like to know where you are with that, because I don't think it
is a program that deserves to be eliminated in the budget.
Last, obviously my colleagues have talked about the Bureau
of Indian Affairs, but I want to get your sense of that agency,
an agency that has long, I believe, been underserved. The BIA
is in need of better oversight and management to require more
efficiency to get back on the right track. I want to hear your
ideas on that. I hope that we will get time to get back to
questions, but again I appreciate your interest in serving in
this position and certainly your service to the Northwest
region. Thank you.
The Chairman. Thank you very much. I would appreciate it if
you would keep the remarks a little bit shorter. Senator, I
understand what you are doing and I compliment your wisdom.
Now we are going to have the distinguished Senator, Senator
Burr.
STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD M. BURR, U.S. SENATOR
FROM NORTH CAROLINA
Senator Burr. I thank the Chairman. I won't take it
personally that he has reminded Senators of time as he yielded
it to me. Governor, welcome and make no mistake about it, I
enthusiastically support and will do everything to expedite
your nomination. I thank your family for their unbelievable
commitment to a number of years of public service.
North Carolina is made up of 10% Federal lands, over two
million acres. It is important to us. My support does not go
without questions, and we will get into those, but I think that
Senator Landrieu very eloquently talked about two devastating
storms in Louisiana, the fact that those storms did things that
no part of a an imagination could have ever envisioned. The
reality is that North Carolina relies on an infrastructure that
is driven off of tourism. Our Outer Banks receive over a
million visitors a year. In the middle of our Outer Banks is a
wildlife refugee. It is one that Fish and Wildlife is in charge
of.
Our responsibility and the country's responsibility is to
make sure that if, in fact, there is ever an emergency, that we
can evacuate people, something we learned over and over last
year. We take that very seriously in North Carolina. To remove
visitors from our Outer Banks is absolutely essential, but to
do that, it means that we have to address the infrastructure
needs and the deterioration. We are faced with that right now.
You know about this, and we will talk about some questions.
The number one thing I hear when I come home is, is there
any common sense in Washington? When I see decisions like I am
faced with, I have to question the same thing. I heard Senator
Crapo describe you very eloquently. He said that you recognize
the need to respect funding and to protect the people. That is
what we are faced with in North Carolina, the need to respect
how much it is going to cost to fulfill the infrastructure
needs to take care of the security of the people that are
there.
A 17-mile bridge has been proposed in the Outer Banks of
North Carolina, the second longest bridge, behind Lake
Pontchartrain in Louisiana. I have visions of the Lake
Pontchartrain bridge after the devastating hurricane. That
happens not very regularly in Louisiana, but it happens every
year in North Carolina. Not on the magnitude that we have seen,
but we get a tremendous amount of practice. I am not sure
whether common sense plays a part of that decision, much less a
$900 million bridge versus a $300 million option. I will ask
you some questions about it later on. I want you to know that
this is something that I will stay engaged in and I feel very
confident that you will engage in and that we can go home and
say common sense does exist in Washington, DC. Thank you,
Governor.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Senator Salazar.
STATEMENT OF HON. KEN SALAZAR, U.S. SENATOR
FROM COLORADO
Senator Salazar. Thank you very much, Chairman, and thank
you very much, Governor Kempthorne, for being here and for your
willingness to serve. Thank you to your family as well, because
I know the sacrifice that goes into the kind of service that
you are providing. You and I had a great meeting less than 30
days ago. I won't review all of the issues, but we talked about
the National Park Service Management Policy, bark beetle
infestation, the fire emergencies that we are facing in the
West, public land sales, payment the lieu of taxes, the Land
and Water Conservation Fund, BLM leasing policies, oil shale
development in Colorado, and the Endangered Species Act. So,
that gives you a sense of the portfolio of it. I hope to be
able to work with you in your position as Secretary of the
Interior.
I want to just make two brief comments. One, with respect
to parks, for the life--after multiple hearings here, including
Senator Thomas and others, I still have no way of understanding
why it is that the National Park Service has decided to change
its policy of ``do no harm.'' That is something that I want to
work with you on. I want you to revisit that issue.
Second, the Land and Water Conservation Fund, Senator
Alexander has been a leader in this effort, along with others
on this committee. I know that in June, I think, of 2001, you
issued a press release supporting the $450 million funding to
the Land and Water Conservation Fund. That is going to be a
subject that I hope we get to revisit here as we move forward
with some of the energy proposals that we are dealing with
today. I look forward to working with you on that very, very
important program that you know has benefited Idaho and
benefited every one of the 50 States of the Nation. Thank you.
[The prepared statements of Senators Salazar and Burns
follow:]
Prepared Statement of Hon. Ken Salazar, U.S. Senator From Colorado
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Bingaman.
Welcome, Governor Kempthorne. Congratulations on your nomination as
the Secretary of the Department of Interior. I am confident that you,
as a westerner, a former senator and the current governor of the great
state of Idaho, understand the importance to my State of Colorado of
the issues managed daily by the Interior Department.
The Department of the Interior manages over eight million surface
acres of public land and over five million subsurface acres in
Colorado. These lands include four National Parks, seven National
Wildlife Refuges, vast Bureau of Land Management holdings, and numerous
National Monuments, Recreation Areas, and Historic Trails.
Millions of Coloradans visit the National Parks, hike the Historic
Trails, hunt on BLM lands, or heat their homes with natural gas
extracted from land covered by a BLM lease.
There are dozens of important issues facing Colorado, relative to
the Department of Interior's management of public lands in my state,
for which you will have responsibility if confirmed. I look forward to
working with you on each and every one of those issues.
I will mention briefly just a few examples, and I look forward to
asking you further about these later.
Governor, over the past five years under Secretary Norton there has
been a distinct shift in management emphasis of our federal lands
within the Department of the Interior from one of stewardship and
conservation of lands managed by the Park Service, Fish and Wildlife
Service and Bureau of Land Management, to an emphasis on development--
principally energy development--and on other commercial uses. This
shift to the commercial exploitation of our public lands over all other
uses is apparent in both the articulated policies of the Administration
as well as in the budget proposals sent to Congress. For example, the
FY 2007 Interior budget includes over $467 million for energy
development, while the amounts for important conservation, operations,
research and maintenance programs of the National Park Service, Fish
and Wildlife Service, USGS and BLM have been cut dramatically.
I am in favor of balanced development of energy resources on our
public lands. And I believe our National Parks and other conservation
lands must be managed so they can be enjoyed by the public. But I think
if is fair to say the overall management direction of the Department
lacks the right balance between the conservation and protection of
natural resources and the development and commercial exploitation of
those resources.
Nowhere is this trend more apparent than in the oil and gas fields
in the Rocky Mountains. Many of Colorado's rural counties are
experiencing rapid growth in energy production on BLM lands. These
communities understand that we must move our country toward energy
independence, but they are also very concerned about the serious
impacts that this stepped-up development is having on their land, water
and infrastructure. They want to contribute to expanded domestic energy
production while still preserving their natural heritage and a quality
of life that attracts residents, visitors, and businesses. If you are
confirmed, I hope I can count on you to provide BLM with all of the
resources it needs not only to issue drilling permits, but also to
conduct vigorous oversight when producers are drilling on public lands
in these counties. Our rural communities deserve high standards and
safeguards if they are to help carry us toward energy independence.
Most important, BLM is charged with leasing millions of acres of
minerals that lie under private lands, and I look forward to working
with you and the Department to find ways to work more cooperatively
with those surface owners--including providing notification to each
surface owner before parcels are leased and making sure that the rights
of surface owners are addressed.
In Garfield County, where much of the oil and gas and oil shale
activity is located, a group of citizens and communities came together
and created a innovative development plan with Antero Resources, an oil
and gas company that has a number of leases on private property in that
county. This plan, while not legally binding, provides a framework for
responsible development. The goal is to create a working relationship
built on trust and goodwill between the community and industry whereby
each entity accepts a level of responsibility and holds its partner
accountable. I believe this plan provides a blue print for how BLM
might work more effectively with surface owners. I would be glad to
provide you and your staff with a copy of the plan.
Recreation and tourism is also a growing segment of the economic
base in Colorado's rural counties. I am therefore very troubled by the
Department's proposed revisions to the National Park Service management
policies--policies which were updated just five years ago to make them
consistent with legal developments at that time. The 2001 policies
reaffirmed the commitment of previous management policies and the 1916
Organic Act to protect park resources above all else. The proposed
revisions to the NPS management policies, however--especially when
combined with cuts to the National Park Service's maintenance and
construction'' budget--threaten to exacerbate the deferred maintenance
backlog in the Parks and to erode the integrity of our entire National
Park system.
Finally, the President's FY07 budget proposes--for the second year
in a row--to eliminate the Land and Water Conservation Fund stateside
grants program, which provides matching funds for Great Outdoor
Colorado (GOCO)'s parks, recreation, and open space projects. The
elimination of a broadly supported and highly effective program would
limit recreation options for all Coloradans and will hurt rural
communities that want to protect open spaces and parks for future
generations. We discussed the LWCF stateside grant program when you and
I met last month, and I was reassured when you told me you would work
with me to restore full funding to this important program.
Governor, I hope in your testimony today you will reaffirm your
continuing commitment to good stewardship and protection of America's
public lands.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Prepared Statement of Hon. Conrad Burns, U.S. Senator From Montana
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to address the
Committee this morning. I welcome Governor Kempthorne to this hearing
and look forward to our discussion today.
Montanans are affected very deeply by decisions regarding federal
land, because they are the ones trying to make a living on the land,
live next to it, or use it for recreation. As a former colleague of
ours and Governor of Idaho, Governor Kempthorne fully understands the
decisions we make will have significant impact at the local level.
Right now everyone is talking about the high price of oil,
gasoline, and natural gas. Our public lands can play a large role in
moving our country towards energy independence. I trust Governor
Kempthorne will work with Secretary Bodman and Congress to make sure we
are making wise use of our public lands. We have the resources
available and we need to be able to access them.
During his time as a Senator and Governor, he has faced many
contentious issues head-on and has proven that he is able to bridge the
gap and help people come to the table even if they do not always see
eye to eye. There will be challenges ahead that will require common
sense and educated answers, and I am confident Dirk Kempthorne is the
right person to lead the Department of Interior in that effort.
There is one specific issue in Montana I would like to bring to
your attention. In April, we visited about the looming emergency facing
the St. Mary Canal and Diversion Facilities and my intent to introduce
legislation to rehabilitate the project. I again invite you to come to
Montana and see the facilities for yourself.
I am here today to offer Governor Kempthorne my wholehearted
support in his nomination to be the 49th Secretary of the Interior. As
a member of this committee and as Chairman of the Senate Interior
Appropriations Subcommittee, I look forward to working closely with him
as the next Secretary of the Interior.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
Senator Allen.
STATEMENT OF HON. GEORGE ALLEN, U.S. SENATOR
FROM VIRGINIA
Senator Allen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Governor, it is
good to see you again. I welcome you and your family back to
the Senate. Hopefully, you will move back to Virginia as well.
Senator Bunning was thanking you for saving his life. I
have a special affection for Idaho, not for saving my life, but
they called me up from working on a ranch near Onanmuck on BLM
land and they had cattle up near Carey and had to work the
round-up up there. Hopefully, you won't have to go like those
cattle being herded, culling the cows from the calves, branding
them, turning bulls into steers, and all the rest, as you go
through this.
Let me just briefly mention something--and this is a very
important job. You just listen, Mr. Chairman, to all the
different comments how important this position is. For
Virginia, we are not like Western States that are run by the
Federal Government, in all respects, you have Forestry land and
some national parks.
One measure that is coming up has to do with the founding
of America's representative democracy at Jamestown, the 400th
anniversary of the founding of the Jamestown settlement, the
oldest permanent English settlement in the New World will be
next year. It is not as old as Santa Fe and the Spaniards, but
the longest, oldest and the first permanent English settlement
in North America.
John Smith had these fascinating voyages and mapping of the
Chesapeake Bay and its tributaries. We have worked together--
Senator Warner, myself, Senators Sarbanes and Mikulski in
Maryland, Senator Biden in Delaware, as well as those in
Pennsylvania--to have a recognition not just of the Jamestown
commemoration--the President has been very helpful in that
commission--but we also want to establish a Captain John Smith
Chesapeake National Historic Trail recognizing these
exploratory voyages in the Chesapeake Bay and its tributaries.
Chairman Thomas will soon have a hearing on the bill later this
month and I look forward to working with my colleagues and the
Bush administration to pass this important legislation. Next
year is the 400th anniversary. The sooner we can get this
accomplished, the better the preparation and planning will be
for the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown, which
is indeed the cradle of American democracy.
So, I thank you. I think your experience as a Senator and a
Governor uniquely prepare you for this very important position
for America. I look forward to working with you and your swift
confirmation.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator. Our last
Senator, Senator Menendez.
STATEMENT OF HON. ROBERT MENENDEZ, U.S. SENATOR
FROM NEW JERSEY
Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Governor, welcome. Congratulations on your nomination and
on your service over a long period of time.
While I know my colleagues from Western States are intently
interested on who the Secretary of the Interior Department is,
I can tell you as the only Northeastern member of this
committee that we are intensely interested in who the Interior
Secretary is as well. By virtue of that, let me just tick off a
few things, some of which I hope to pursue in requesting of
others that may not have time to, but that are incredibly
important to our region.
New Jersey's economy, the second largest part of our
economy is tourism, $22 billion, 10% of all of our jobs. I am
concerned about both the Departments, and I believe that some
of the positions that you have taken as it relates to drilling
off the Outer Continental Shelf--that is a critical question
for us in New Jersey and several of the coastal States along
the Northeast and the East--that is something I hope to pursue
with you. It is a vital issue.
Even in some of the most densely populated parts of the
country, conservation is incredibly important. We have the
highlands that have been preserved under Federal law. We look
forward to the assistance to make sure that that is fully
achieved. I spoke to you about the Great Falls of Patterson,
the second largest waterfall that is East of the Mississippi,
which is in pursuit of being listed under the National Park
Service. Senator Salazar mentioned the Land and Water
Conservation Fund for those of us in our State on the state-
side program. It is over $700 million in need, so we are also
interested in the Land and Water Conservation Fund. We are very
interested in the National Park Service's Management Policies
and a shift away from what we perceive as conservation to
usage, and real concerns about the significant cuts as it
relates to maintenance that are critical to being able to
fulfill the opportunity to achieve having Americans enjoy the
National Parks.
Last, I hope that you will help us liberate Lady Liberty.
The reality is that, not withstanding a whole host of security
measures that we have, we should not buckle into the fear of
terrorism when we already have security measures, we should let
Americans travel to the top of Lady Liberty and let us see that
beacon of light that is seen throughout the world.
Finally, the National Park Service has delayed over 2 years
in putting forth a plan on Ellis Island, a gateway to millions
of Americans in this country, that we could work with a private
sector entities that are willing to help restore it before we
lose all of that section of Ellis Island that is virtually
crumbling. We cannot get the Park Service, after 2 years of
saying that they will come up with a plan, to be able to move
forward with that plan and to help a non-profit private sector
help us achieve the restoration of Ellis Island. It is a
tremendous historical monument to our country and its history.
So, we are from the northeast and we do care who the Interior
Secretary is, and we look forward to working with you.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator.
We have a Senator that has arrived from the State of
Florida. Mr. Senator, would you like to make a few comments?
Senator Martinez. Yes, sir. I would love an opportunity.
The Chairman. Please, do so.
STATEMENT OF HON. MEL MARTINEZ, U.S. SENATOR
FROM FLORIDA
Senator Martinez. Thank you. Governor, great to see you
here today. I very much look forward to your confirmation. I am
someone who very much identifies with where you sit today,
having been there not so very long ago myself. I have great
respect for the President and the process by which he selects
his cabinet. I know in the past he has exercised brilliant
judgment and I presume he did that as well today. But I also
want to tell you how excited I was by our meeting and very
positive opportunity we had to talk about issues of importance
to my State. I think you are going to make a great Secretary. I
look forward to working with you on those issues that are so
important to our State of Florida.
Much as the Senator from New Jersey mentioned, Florida is
very concerned about protecting our shoreline, making sure that
our tourism industry continues to be vital and vibrant, that we
do what we can for exploration and big bad area 181, where I
know we will probably resolve those issues before too long. But
the hope is that we can preserve a strong buffer around our
State that will be secure from any exploration.
Beyond that, of great concern, of course, is our
Everglades, our huge national park, an area where I hope you
can come and visit us sometime because I know it is vastly
different from where you come from. I hope that we can take you
on an airboat ride and introduce you to a few alligators and
other native species. It is a real wonder and a great place. We
are in the process of a very aggressive restoration program to
bring it back to where it should have been. It is a great,
important project not only to Floridians from a standpoint of
what this park represents, but also in terms of water
management. Very important issues as it relates to that.
Also, is our concern about the sale of public lands. You
know Florida is a fast-growing State. We value our Ocala
National Forest. We want to make sure that all that is Ocala
National Forest continues to be there for generations to come.
The thought of any sales of public lands, frankly, does not
meet with a lot of support in my State. We don't have the
vastness of parklands that they do in the West. There are
different issues in Florida. And while others may make
different decisions about what is best for their State, I
certainly believe quite strongly that we should not engage in
that in the State of Florida.
I look forward to working with you. I look forward to your
swift confirmation. I know the Department needs your leadership
and I know that on all of these issues that we discussed, you
expresses a real willingness to stay in touch, to be
communicating with us on them and to be a partner and a friend.
So, I look forward to working with you. I commend you for your
willingness to serve in this capacity. I know you will have a
very exciting time and wish you the very best.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator. Now, I guess
the time has come that we proceed. We have to now swear you in.
The rules of the committee, which apply to all nominees,
require that they be sworn in, in connection with their
testimony. Would you please rise and raise your right hand. Do
you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to
the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources shall be
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Mr. Kempthorne. I do.
The Chairman. Please be seated. Before you begin your
statement, I will ask you three questions that are addressed to
any nominee before this committee. Please respond separately to
each question. One, will you be available to appear before this
committee, and other congressional committees, to represent
departmental positions and respond to issues of concern to the
Congress?
Mr. Kempthorne. I will.
The Chairman. Are you aware of any personal holdings,
investments or interests that could constitute a conflict of
interest or create the appearance of such, should you be
confirmed and assume the office to which you have been
nominated by the President?
Mr. Kempthorne. Mr. Chairman, my investments, my personal
holdings, and other interests have been reviewed both by myself
and the appropriate ethics counselors within the Federal
Government. I have taken appropriate action to avoid any
conflicts of interest. There are no conflicts of interest or
appearance thereof, to my knowledge.
The Chairman. Are you involved with, or do you have any
assets held in, blind trusts?
Mr. Kempthorne. No, sir, I do not.
The Chairman. We will now move to the presentation of your
statement and then we will proceed with questions. So, it is
your opportunity now to take about 5 minutes and tell us why
you want to be the Secretary.
STATEMENT OF HON. DIRK KEMPTHORNE, NOMINEE TO BE
SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR
Mr. Kempthorne. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. To all
members of this distinguished committee, thank you for the
courtesy, for the welcome that you have expressed to me.
Sitting here listening to the issues, having the opportunity as
I did to visit each of you personally helps ground me in the
enormous responsibility that comes with this assignment. I want
to thank the President for this opportunity to serve and for
the confidence that he has shown in me at this time.
I am grateful to have served with many of you in the U.S.
Senate. This is absolutely a wonderful institution. It is a
tremendous honor to appear before you in your constitutional
capacity of advise and consent. I respect that enormously.
I am humbled to have represented the great citizens of
Idaho as Mayor, U.S. Senator and as Governor. My people of
Idaho are awesome, and I thank them for the faith, the trust,
and the friendship, which they have provided to me and to my
family over these many years.
I appreciate the fact that my wife, Patricia, and our
children, Heather and Jeff, are here. I thank you, Mr.
Chairman, that I was able to introduce them. There is one other
member of the family that is not here, that is Heather's
husband, Drew. He is finishing up and has about one more week
at Army boot camp.
These loving members of the family have allowed me to
pursue my passion of public service. When we think about the
sacrifice of public service, I think often the sacrifice is by
the members of your family, for those occasions that you are
not there. All of you have experienced this as well.
While Idaho will always be my home, I have a little sense
of homecoming as I sit here before this committee. This hearing
room is directly across the hall from what was my first Senate
office. As I watched the public line up to attend hearings, I
remember thinking that this committee seemed a lot more fun
then some of my committee assignments.
Sitting here today reminds me, Mr. Chairman, of when we did
the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act. Bob Dole had designated the
legislation as S. 1. He asked me to be the floor sponsor.
Mr. Chairman, you were the Chair of the Budget Committee
then, and I came to you and as a rookie Senator, and I asked if
I should be the floor manager or if, in fact, you, as chairman,
shouldn't be the floor manager. You said, let me think about it
overnight. You came back the next day and you said to me, and I
quote, ``You do it, and we'll see whether or not you are up to
it.'' Eleven days and nights later, the Senate finally approved
S. 1 on a bipartisan vote.
One of the things that I pledged to the President is that,
if confirmed, I would reach out to constituent groups, to seek
bipartisan support, to find common ground, and to build
consensus. That is my approach.
You saw that when I fought for the Unfunded Mandates Reform
Act. My number one co-sponsor was the Democrat from Ohio, John
Glenn. You saw that on the Safe Drinking Water Act. The first
Democrat Senator signed on as a co-sponsor was Bob Kerrey of
Nebraska. That, significantly, was the first environmental bill
that contained cost-benefit analysis.
You saw that we worked in a bipartisan effort on the
Endangered Species Act. We made great progress, and, if
confirmed, I'll look forward to again being at the table
discussing ways to improve the Act and to make it more
meaningful in helping the very species that we are trying to
save.
In my visits with many of you, you have told me that
Interior should restore habitat for fish and wildlife, improve
economic development and education in Indian country, resolve
long-standing water conflicts, and provide responsible energy
development.
In Idaho and in the Senate I have worked on the very issues
that you have raised during our visits. I fought and won
consensus solutions. And If I may, Mr. Chairman, I would like
to list just a few examples.
The Northwest once had so many salmon that it is legend
that you could walk across the river on the backs of salmon and
not get your feet wet. In recent decades, salmon have declined.
When I became Governor, I saw that each of the four Northwest
States were developing their own separate restoration
strategies.
Rather than four separate approaches, I asked my fellow
Governors in Montana, Oregon, and in Washington if they would
consider working together to explore policy consensus that
would be acceptable to our states on salmon recovery. And
that's exactly what we did. I sat down with my fellow Governors
and in a collaborative effort we crossed State lines and
political lines to come up with a regional consensus strategy
for salmon restoration.
If confirmed as Secretary, I want to help foster that same
collaborative approach on issues that you care about, whether
it is the silvery minnow in the Middle Rio Grande, the pallid
sturgeon in the Missouri, or the endangered fish in the
Klamath.
Many of you have expressed interest in water rights and
claims made concerning those water rights. That was true in our
State with the claims of the Nez Perce Indian Tribe dating back
to the 1800's. I was intent that we would find a solution. So
with the great leadership of the Tribe, surface and groundwater
users, agricultural interests, municipalities and the Interior
Department, we began a dialog that was, in all honesty, at
times acrimonious, tough, and on the verge of collapse. I
thought then that the alternative--several more years of
litigation--was no alternative at all.
Our discussions transformed adversaries into allies. We
crafted a solution that everyone could lay claim to, instead of
a process that would determine winners and losers. Today, we
have an historic agreement. I thank Senators Craig and Crapo
and Representatives Otter and Simpson who brought it forward to
the Senate and the House for approval.
I commit to bringing the same energy and concern that I had
for this settlement to other Indian and water rights issues.
Necessity and practicality require that we adopt holistic
approaches to water issues. Much of the Nation has endured the
worst 5 years of drought in the past 500 years.
When I came into the office as Governor, the Department of
Health and Welfare had a Division called Environmental Quality.
I created the Idaho Department of Environmental Quality and
gave it full department status. I elevated environmental issues
to their rightful place in my administration, and if ask anyone
in the industry or the environmental community, I believe that
they will tell you that it was the right decision and that we
made it work.
I do not believe in bigger government, but I do believe in
better government. As Governor, I created a State Office of
Species Conservation that was designed to provide Idaho a voice
on species protection. The Office of Species Conservation
elevated Idaho's concern over listed species to a new level. I
am intent upon saving species. I am not content with triage,
where you simple say that they are endangered and then you move
on to list the next species. I will always ask, ``What are we
doing to actually restore the species, instead of just listing
them?''
I am proud of the fact that one of the few species that has
been removed from the endangered species list is the peregrine
falcon. Yes, it is de-listed--in part because of the hard work
of the Peregrine Fund, a private organization. Idaho is proud
to be home to the Peregrine Fund and the World Center for Birds
of Prey. Their accomplishments show that species recovery is
possible when we work together.
That gives some idea of what I believe in, Mr. Chairman, my
style, the kinds of accomplishments that result from
collaboration.
If I may, I would like to just mention tribal relations,
because it has been raised here today. Because maintaining good
relations with Indian country will be important to me if
confirmed as Secretary. I am honored that Chief Allan, the
chairman of the Coeur d'Alene Tribe, is here with us today. He
knows my respect for the government-to-government relationships
and the sovereignty of tribes.
As Senator and Governor, I recognize that tribes should be
partners in discussions on that matter. There can be no more
important issue than educating Indian children. The Secretary
of the Interior, working with tribes, is responsible for 48,000
Indian school children, and I take that responsibility very
seriously.
If confirmed, I look forward to the opportunity to continue
the emphasis on educating children, as I did as Governor. I
commend you and I commend the President for investing $1.6
billion in Indian school construction over the past 5 years
that has funded 37 new schools and 45 major repair projects.
I want to raise the level of awareness, as we diligently
work to heighten the expectations of parents, and inspire hopes
and affirm dreams of children in Indian country so that they
can achieve anything that they put their minds to.
Another great responsibility of the Department of the
Interior is its management of public lands and waters that
produce 30% of the Nation's domestic energy. All of America is
experiencing pain at the pump with high gas prices. This is an
issue of economic security as well as national security. I
pledge to work with you and stakeholders on responsible energy
development.
I appreciate your work on the Energy Policy Act of 2005,
which identified significant initiatives for the Department of
the Interior, initiatives that would pertain to traditional
energy sources as well as new sources. I am committed to
implementing these initiatives and keeping you informed of our
progress. It is noteworthy, the importance that the President
and Congress have placed in developing alternative energy
sources. I am also mindful of the great potential that
alternative energy sources can play in providing for our
citizens and furthering environmental protection.
Also, because of the new world that we have entered, the
Department will be mindful of is obligations to homeland
security and its responsibilities to protect our national icons
and access to those icons and to our waterways.
Finally, let me affirm my love of the outdoors. Idaho is
home to spectacular scenery, and we welcome hunters, anglers
and all outdoor enthusiasts who want to enjoy its natural
beauty.
When the President announced his intention to nominate me
as Secretary of the Interior, he referenced that Patricia and I
were married in northern Idaho on Moscow Mountain at sunrise.
There is no more beautiful cathedral than the outdoors. And our
entire Nation is blessed with countless natural cathedrals, and
we should be mindful of those great treasures.
This year, I asked the Idaho legislature to make a once in
a generation investment in our State parks. Just a few weeks
ago, I was proud to sign the largest appropriation ever for our
State parks system. If confirmed as Secretary, the Department
of the Interior's emphasis will continue its responsibility for
parks and recreation, which certainly includes wildlife refuges
and access for citizens to enjoy parks and refuges.
Mr. Chairman, and members of the Committee, I humbly, and I
respectfully, ask for your support. All I can pledge is that,
if confirmed, I will do my best.
This Nation, its people and natural beauty are well worth
all of our collective efforts to preserve and protect.
I look forward to your questions, Mr. Chairman. I also look
forward to your comments. And I know that I will be more
grounded, based upon the comments which you make today. May I
also thank Senators Craig and Senator Crapo for their courtesy
and their friendship for so many, many years. Thank you very
much.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Kempthorne follows:]
Prepared Statement of Governor Dirk Kempthorne, Nominee to be Secretary
of the Interior
Mr. Chairman and distinguished Members of the Committee, it is an
honor to come before you today as you consider my record and
qualifications to become the 49th Secretary of the Interior. I thank
the President for this opportunity to serve and for the confidence he
has shown in me as his nominee.
I am grateful to have served with many of you and to have been one
of your colleagues. This is absolutely a wonderful institution and it
is a tremendous honor to appear before you in your Constitutional
capacity for advice and consent.
I am humbled to have represented the great citizens of Idaho as
Mayor, U.S. Senator and Governor. Their support is deeply gratifying
and I thank them.
I appreciate the fact that my wife, Patricia, and our children,
Heather and Jeff, are with me today. They have been by my side
throughout my public service, and continue to be a source of great
encouragement. One other individual who would have been here is
Heather's husband, Drew, who is finishing up this week at Army boot-
camp.
They have allowed me to pursue my passion of helping people,
finding solutions to problems, and making our communities and our state
a better place to live, to work and to raise a family. I thank my
family for that love and support.
While Idaho will always be my home, I have a sense of homecoming
being here with you today. This hearing room is directly across the
hall from my first Senate office. As I watched the public line up to
attend hearings, I remember thinking that this committee seemed a lot
more fun than some of my committee assignments.
Sitting here today reminds me, Mr. Chairman, of when we did the
Unfunded Mandates Reform Bill. Bob Dole had designated that legislation
as Senate Bill 1, and I was asked to be the floor manager.
Mr. Chairman, you were the Chair of the Budget Committee then, and
I came to you and, as a rookie Senator, asked if I should do this or
whether it would be better for you to be the floor manager. I remember
you said, ``I'll think about it overnight.'' And then, the next morning
you came back to me and said, quote, ``You do it, and we'll see whether
or not you are up to it.'' Eleven days and nights later, the Senate
finally approved Senate Bill 1 on a bipartisan vote.
One of the things that I pledged to the President is that, if
confirmed, I would reach out to constituent groups, to seek bipartisan
support, to find common ground, and to build consensus.
Mr. Chairman, throughout my public service, I have worked to reach
out to both sides of the aisle, to different interests and to different
viewpoints. The twelve Senators on this committee who served with me
saw my consensus approach.
You saw that John Glenn, a Democrat from Ohio, was my partner on
the Unfunded Mandates Bill. You saw that on the Safe Drinking Water
Act, the first Senator to sign on as a co-sponsor was Bob Kerrey of
Nebraska. That, significantly, was the first environmental bill that
contained cost-benefit analysis.
You saw that we worked in a bipartisan effort on the Endangered
Species Act. We made great progress, and, if confirmed, I'll look
forward to again being at the table discussing ways to improve the Act
and make it more meaningful in helping the very species that we are
trying to save.
In my visits with many of you, you have told me that Interior
should restore habitat for fish and wildlife, improve economic
development and education in Indian country, resolve longstanding water
conflicts, and provide responsible energy development.
If confirmed, I will be the first Mayor, United States Senator and
Governor to become the Secretary of the Interior. In Idaho and in the
Senate, I have worked on the very issues you raised during our visits.
I have sought and won consensus solutions. Here are a few examples:
The Northwest once had so many salmon, it is legend that you could
walk across the river on the backs of salmon and not get your feet wet.
In recent decades, salmon have declined. When I became Governor, I saw
that each of the four northwest states were developing their own
separate restoration strategies.
Rather than four separate approaches, I asked my fellow Governors
in Montana, Oregon and Washington if they would consider working
together to explore policy consensus that would be acceptable to our
states on salmon recovery. And that's exactly what we did. I sat down
with my fellow Governors and in a collaborative effort, we crossed
state lines and political lines to come up with a regional, consensus
strategy to salmon restoration.
If confirmed as Secretary, I want to help foster that same
collaborative approach on issues you care about--whether it is the
silvery minnow in the Middle Rio Grande, the pallid sturgeon in the
Missouri or the endangered fish in Klamath.
Many of you have expressed interest in water rights and claims made
concerning those water rights. That was true in our state with the
claims of the Nez Perce Indian Tribe dating back to the 1800's. I was
intent that we would find a solution. So with the great leadership of
the Tribe, surface and ground water users, agricultural interests and
municipalities and the Interior Department, we began a dialogue that
was--in all honesty--at times acrimonious, tough, and on the verge of
collapse. I thought then that the alternative--several more years of
litigation--was no alternative at all.
Our discussions transformed adversaries into allies. We crafted a
solution that everyone could lay claim to--instead of a process that
would determine ``winners and losers.'' Today, we have an historic
agreement. I thank Senators Craig and Crapo and Representatives Otter
and Simpson who brought it forward to the Senate and the House for
approval.
I commit to bringing the same energy and concern that I had for
this settlement to other Indian and water rights issues. Necessity and
practicality require that we adopt holistic approaches to water issues.
Much of the nation has endured the worst five years of drought in the
past five hundred years.
When I came into office as Governor, the Department of Health and
Welfare had a division called environmental quality. I created the
Idaho Department of Environmental Quality and gave it full department
status. I elevated environmental issues to their rightful place in my
administration, and if you ask industry or the environmental community,
they will tell you it was the right decision and we made it work.
I do not believe in bigger government, but I believe in better
government.
As Governor, I created a state Office of Species Conservation that
was designed to provide Idaho a voice on species protection. The Office
of Species Conservation elevated Idaho's concern over listed species to
a new level. I am intent upon saving species. I am not content with
this ``triage,'' where you simply say they're endangered and then move
on to list the next species. I will always ask, ``What are we doing to
actually restore the species instead of just listing them?"
I am proud of the fact that one of the few species that has been
removed from the Endangered Species list is the Peregrine Falcon. Yes,
delisted--in part because of the hard work of the Peregrine Fund, a
private organization. Idaho is proud to be home to the Peregrine Fund
and the World Center for Birds of Prey. Their accomplishments show that
species recovery is possible when we work together.
That gives some idea of what I believe in, my style, and the kinds
of accomplishments that result from collaboration.
Let me talk about tribal relations, because maintaining good
relations with Indian country will be important to me if confirmed as
Secretary. I am honored that Chief Allan, Chairman of the Coeur d'Alene
Tribe, is here with us today. He knows my respect for the government-
to-government relationships and the sovereignty of Tribes.
As Senator and Governor, I recognized that Tribes should be
partners in discussions that matter. There can be no more important
issue than educating Indian children. The Secretary of Interior,
working with Tribes, is responsible for 48,000 Indian school children
and I take that responsibility seriously.
If confirmed, I look forward to the opportunity to continue the
emphasis on educating children as I did as Governor. I commend you and
commend the President for investing $1.6 billion in Indian school
construction over the past five years that has funded 37 new schools
and 45 major repair projects.
I want to raise the level of awareness as we diligently work to
heighten the expectations of parents, and inspire hopes and affirm
dreams of children in Indian country so that they can achieve anything
they put their minds to. We must work so they have the skills and the
education they need to accomplish that.
Another great responsibility of the Department of the Interior is
its management of public lands and waters that produce 30 percent of
the nation's domestic energy. All of America is experiencing pain at
the pump with high gas prices. This is an issue of economic security as
well as national security. I pledge to work with you and stakeholders
on responsible energy development.
I appreciate your work on the Energy Policy Act of 2005 which
identified significant initiatives for the Department of the Interior--
initiatives which pertain to traditional energy sources as well as new
sources. I am committed to implementing these initiatives and keeping
you informed of our progress. It is noteworthy of the importance that
the President and Congress have placed in developing alternative energy
sources. I am mindful of the great potential that alternative energy
sources can play in providing for our citizens and furthering
environmental protection.
Also, because of the new world we've entered, the Department will
be mindful of its obligations to homeland security and its
responsibilities to protect our national icons and our waterways.
Finally, let me affirm my love of the outdoors. Idaho is home to
spectacular scenery, and we welcome hunters, anglers and all outdoor
enthusiasts who want to enjoy her natural beauty.
When the President announced his intention to nominate me as
Secretary of the Interior, he referenced that Patricia and I were
married in northern Idaho on Moscow Mountain--at sunrise. There is no
more beautiful cathedral than the outdoors. And our entire nation is
blessed with countless natural cathedrals, and we should be mindful of
those great treasures.
This year, I asked the Idaho legislature to make a once-in-a-
generation investment in our state parks. Just a few weeks ago, I was
proud to sign the largest appropriation ever for our state parks
system. If confirmed as Secretary, the Department of the Interior's
emphasis will continue its responsibility for parks and recreation--
which certainly includes wildlife refuges and access for citizens to
enjoy parks and refuges.
Mr. Chairman, and members of the Committee, I humbly, and
respectfully, ask for your support. All I can pledge is that, if
confirmed, I will do the best I can, and I will be honored in making
that effort.
This nation, its people and natural beauty are well worth all of
our collective efforts to preserve and protect.
I look forward to your questions. Having participated in many
Senate hearings, it will be a different experience answering questions
rather than asking them. I also look forward to your comments and know
that I will come away from this hearing better grounded on the issues
facing the Department of the Interior.
The Chairman. Thank you for a very eloquent opening
statement.
Senators, let me try to bring you current. We have been
told that the voting would start about 11:15. I don't know
whether it will or will not, but is it fair to assume that
Senators do want--whatever the voting schedule on the floor, do
you want us to remain open for long enough here for any of you
who want to ask questions, even if that goes into the noon
hour? Is that a fair assumption? That is kind of what I had
planned to do.
So, I am going to start now. If Senator Bingaman is ready,
I will let him open with a few questions and then I will take
some and we will move right out from that and see what we can
get done before we go vote. If the vote starts--any of you who
are down the line some, you might just go vote. That would, I
think, help matters. Senator Bingaman.
Senator Bingaman. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and
thank you for your excellent statements, Governor.
One point that I wanted to raise, initially, is I think the
issue was raised that the Assistant Secretary for Indian
Affairs is a position that is currently vacant. You indicated a
desire to get that position filled. In fact, as I read the
organizational chart of the Department of the Interior, nearly
half of the senior policy positions are vacant or have acting
people in those positions. The President nominates people for
those positions. I hope you have an agreement that you will
have a substantial say in who is nominated.
I also hope that you are keenly aware--and I am sure you
are--of the need to get people in those positions whose
commitment to the public interest is above reproach. There has
been, as you undoubtedly know, in the last few years, questions
on some of the nominees that have been made in the Department,
about their ties to particular special interests and how that
might affect their ability to carry out their public
responsibilities. I hope that we don't have any of that. I am
sure you are very sensitive to that and I know you will be able
to deal with that in the future.
Let me ask about something Senator Wyden raised, this
proposal to sell off public lands in order to fund annual
operating expenses of the Government. That is a troublesome
concept to me, as well. I think that as a matter of just
general policy, selling your permanent assets in order to fund
your annual operation is not a good way to stay in business. I
hope that that is something you will be able to resist. I don't
know if you are in a position to give us a statement today as
to your views on that general kind of proposal, but I would be
anxious to hear it if you are.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Bingaman, thank you very much. Let
me affirm that I believe that there are situations where the
sale of public land is appropriate: if you have enclaves, if
you could assemble land that is not efficiently being able to
be managed because it is so widely dispersed. So, I believe
that we want to retain that option. Specific, though, to your
question, on the sale of public land for deficit reduction or
for operating expenses, I do not favor that. That would be the
position that I would take to those opportunities, if
confirmed, to represent that view.
Senator Bingaman. Well, thank you. I appreciate that clear
statement. And I certainly agree with that position.
Congressman Hunter, in the House, has proposed turning
Santa Rosa Island, one of the islands in the Channel Islands
National Park, into a hunting preserve for military personnel
and disabled veterans. I am concerned, because it is my view
that our national parks need to be available to the entire
public. That is the idea they were established for. I think
trying to set up special reserves for the exclusive use of one
group or another group is a very bad precedent for us to get
started on. I don't know if you have looked into this issue. If
you have an opinion on that, I would be anxious to hear it.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Bingaman, I am sorry, that is the
first time I have heard that. I would say that I commend
Congressman Hunter for thinking about our veterans and our
disabled veterans. One of the things that I have always tried
to do when I come back to Washington, DC, is to make a visit to
Walter Reed Hospital or to Bethesda. I think, again, that the
support of our veterans is critically important. This specific
issue, no, sir, I have not looked at. Again, I appreciate his
thinking about the veterans. Whether this is the right way to
do it, I can't comment at this time.
Senator Bingaman. Well, that is fair. I also appreciate his
concern for veterans, but as I said, I think the idea that we
are going to take parts of the National Park System and in
cordoning them off for the exclusive use of any group is a bad
precedent. I hope we can avoid that, and I hope, after you look
into it, you'll agree with that position.
Under current law, electric transmission lines cannot be
sited through our national parks unless--and the statute says,
``Directly and specifically provided by Congress.'' The Energy
Policy Act directed agencies to designate energy corridors
under previously existing authorities and gave the President
the power to overrule agency decisions, denying permits for
projects within those corridors. It did not give the Secretary
of Energy or the Interior or the President or anyone else the
power to site electric transmission lines in national parks
without specific congressional authority.
In fact, it specifically stated that in the energy bill
last year, that the President's siting authority did not extend
to national parks. In spite of that--what seems to me to be
very clear language--there seems to be a misapprehension in the
Department that somewhere in the Energy Act there was general
authority provided that will allow establishment of power lines
in national parks without Congress having approved it. I don't
know if this is an issue that you have looked into; if not,
obviously, I would not expect an answer, but it is one that I
hope you will look into. And if you have a disagreement with
the interpretation of last year's energy bill that I have just
described, I hope you will let us know.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Bingaman, thank you very much. I
cannot comment. I have not looked into that detail which you
have identified.
If I may, can I comment on a previous point that you
raised, though?
Senator Bingaman. Certainly.
Mr. Kempthorne. That was with regard to senior-level
leadership in the Department of the Interior. I know that that
is important to the President. I know that he does take an
active, hands-on approach with regard to the appointment of
those and has indicated that he wishes to have my active
comments with regard to those personnel. We are going to make
it a priority, so that we can bring those people on. You talked
about the conduct of those that ultimately could be confirmed.
I will tell you that the day that I was announced, one of the
first meetings I had was with the ethics officers of the
Department of the Interior. And that is the style that we will
continue with the Department of the Interior.
Senator Bingaman. Well, let me just say I am confident that
that is the case. I plan to support your nomination and I look
forward to working with you.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you very much.
The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Bingaman.
We are going to proceed. Senator Thomas.
Senator Thomas. Thank you very much, Governor. You
mentioned endangered species and changes, and we are seeking to
make some changes here. It seems as if, administratively,
within the regulatory part, it just drags on and on--wolves and
grizzly bears. Do you have any idea or do you think that this
process, as it stands now, could be streamlined somewhat?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Thomas, my approach is yes. If you
have a process that is cumbersome, is bogged down, I would
certainly hope that pragmatism can be part of this. So, again,
if confirmed, I would welcome the opportunity to look at both
the regulation side, but also what perhaps could be done
legislatively.
Senator Thomas. Sure. Well, we are working on that. One of
the issues, of course, that I think confronts us is we are all
very pleased and proud of our Park Service, but we seem to be--
we have now 390 park sites. There are increasing numbers of
various kinds of park sites and so on. We have a backlog that
seems to be difficult. How do you see the future in terms of
backlog and expansion of the parks activities?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Thomas, I believe that we should
acknowledge that the President made dealing with the
maintenance of our parks a priority, some $4.8 billion over 5
years. I believe some 6,000 projects at the different
individual national parks have taken place. Some are fully
completed, others yet to be done. Significantly, that inventory
has now been committed to information technology so that it is
identified, what progress has been made, significantly what has
yet to be done. Again my enthusiasm for parks--when I talk
about enthusiasm for parks, I think I should acknowledge, too,
one of our great advocates is the First Lady, Laura Bush, who
believes in the national parks. So, again this is something
that we will continue, the energy of looking at how we can
improve our parks and encourage people to enjoy their national
parks and access them.
Senator Thomas. That is great. I think we need to take a
little look at the definition of what is the responsibility of
the National Park Service, as opposed to local and State
activities, as well. One of those interests is the National
Mall. Each year there is requests for more and more. We passed
a moratorium on future constructions. Do you have any feeling
about how we might maintain this sovereignty of that Mall?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, on the specifics of that, I must
say I have not had a briefing as to expansion or what may even
be being considered, but I would be very happy to work with you
and seek your input on that as well.
Senator Thomas. One of the core issues that is even more in
front of us now is this energy issue and much of the production
in the West is on public lands and particularly the BLM. And I
certainly expect us to go through the routines that are
necessary, but it does seem like we need to find ways to, a
little more quickly, do the required procedure. The application
process goes on and on and on. Would you think there is a way
we can work together to speed that up and get the right
results, but not take quite so long to do it?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Thomas, one of the things that we
were able to accomplish when we developed the Department of
Environmental Quality in Idaho was to take a number of permits
that had been outstanding and to move them toward completion. I
believe that--and again, I cannot speak to the particulars of
how these applications are being dealt with in the Department
of the Interior today, but I would be happy to look at that
with the attitude that we should move as expeditiously as is
appropriate. It is both for the approval but also for the
denial, not judging what the outcome would be.
Senator Thomas. I appreciate that. Of course the production
on the public lands and the royalties have increased greatly
the income, so I think we need to also recognize that it
requires more personnel from time to time in that job in BLM
and so on. So, we look forward to working with you and I
certainly support your affirmation and will be working on it.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, Senator, very much.
The Chairman. Thank you very much.
Senator Akaka.
Senator Akaka. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Governor
Kempthorne, I want to tell you that you have my support.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, sir.
Senator Akaka. We look forward to working with you. I
wanted to let you know that I introduced legislation which
would extend the Federal policy of self-governments and self-
determination to Native Hawaiians and to recognize Native
Hawaiians as indigenous peoples of the United States.
I worked very, very closely with Secretary Norton to
address any concerns that the Department had on this measure.
As a result, we have amended the bill to address concerns she
has raised on behalf of the Department. I understand that you
likely have not yet had a chance to review this legislation. I
hope to work closely with you, because the bill gives the
Secretary of the Interior the authority to review certain
aspects of the process involving the reorganization of the
Native Hawaiian governing entity.
As you may recall, Congress enacted Public Law 103-150, the
Apology Resolution, in 1993. The resolution apologized, on
behalf of the United States, to Hawaii's indigenous peoples,
the Native Hawaiians, for the role of the U.S. officials and
overthrow of the kingdom of Hawaii and committed to a process
of reconciliation between the United States and Native
Hawaiians.
The Department of the Interior played a significant role in
the reconciliation process in 1999. Secretary Babbitt appointed
the Assistant Secretary of Policy, Management and Budget to be
the DOI representative in this reconciliation process. And in
the year 2000, a report was issued by DOI and DOJ with
recommendations resulting from consultations with the Native
Hawaiians. I hope to work with you and the Department to carry
on the reconciliation process between Native Hawaiians and the
United States.
And as you know, we have been successful in creating an
Office of Native Hawaiian Relations in the Department of the
Interior to serve as a liaison between Native Hawaiian and the
United States. While the office is in its infancy, there is
great potential for the benefit this office can provide to both
the Department and to the people of Hawaii.
I hope that we can work together to ensure that this office
is appropriately staffed so that it can accomplish its mission
of benefiting both the Department and the people of Hawaii. I
want you to know that we have the support of most of the
Hawaiians. The Governor of Hawaii, presently; the legislature,
who did two resolutions supporting it; the National Association
of American Indians; the Alaska Natives; and the American Bar
Association have supported us on this.
Governor, I look forward to working with you on this and
ask for your commitment to work with me, should you have any
questions or any concerns about this bill.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Akaka, may I just say that you have
my commitment to always work with you. You are a true
gentleman. Those great occasions that we have had together, you
have allowed me to have a greater vision of the rich cultural
heritage and the history of the Native Hawaiians. You are one
of their great Ambassadors. So, again, it would be a great
pleasure to work with you on these issues.
Senator Akaka. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I have
another question that I will submit.
The Chairman. You will submit another question? That is
very good. Thank you.
Senator Burr.
Senator Burr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, Governor,
welcome. I think you are aware of the Bonner Bridge issue that
you and I have talked about in the past. I will stay focused on
that, if I can. The Bonner Bridge was built in 1963 and
designed to have a 30-year lifespan. It spans the Oregon inlet
of the Outer Banks from just south of Nags Head to Pea Island
and then Highway 12. It continues all the way down to where it
takes a ferry to get to Ocracoke Island. That bridge was slated
to be replaced 10 years ago, because of the determination by
U.S. Fish and Wildlife. And that determination has been
torturous, if not impossible, relative to their interpretation
of what North Carolina has to go through. North Carolina
recognizes the fact that over 2 million cars a year cross this
bridge. Today, we have a safety problem. We have a bridge that
is rated 4 on a 100-point scale. Anywhere else in the country a
4 would be taken out of service. You would find a way to
reroute. We don't have a way to reroute.
The Chairman. That is a big problem.
Senator Burr. What reforms do you believe need to take
place so that vital infrastructure can be replaced, like this
bridge, and that improvements are not delayed, if, in fact, we
are talking about human life?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Burr, first of all, may I
acknowledge and commend you for your efforts on emergency
preparedness. I know that that is near and dear to your heart.
You are taking a great leadership role in that. As a Governor,
that is something that I make one of the highest priorities,
emergency preparedness.
What reforms? I don't feel that I am in a position today to
itemize what I think reform should be, except to say that I
believe that we need to take the data that is available. What
are the facts? Facts, such as you have just stated. What are
the implications? What are the projections? When we do have the
hurricane season and, in fact, you may have to evacuate an
area, what does that mean? I think part of what I would want to
do is take a look at the lessons learned and then determine
from that, can we now take proactive actions, so that we are
not sitting here and wondering why we did not do it sooner.
Senator Burr. Governor, do you think--can a bridge be
replaced without a negative impact on the environment?
Mr. Kempthorne. You would like to think so.
Senator Burr. I think the American people would like to
think so. But it can be done?
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes.
Senator Burr. I think the interpretation is it can't. I am
hopeful that your leadership will be, ``Oh, we can.'' It is
just a question of coming up with something that both sides can
agree on--meet that end goal.
U.S. Fish and Wildlife has proposed a 17-mile bridge, as I
said earlier, the second longest in the United States. You are
familiar with the North Carolina coast and the uniqueness of
the Outer Banks, but you are also, as Governor, aware of the
frequency that we have Mother Nature visit us starting next
month. I can't imagine what it is like to go through a category
5, but we have had our share of 3's and below and multiple
visits each year. As one who does focus on emergency
preparedness, I can't envision a scenario where I could
confidently agree to a 17-mile evacuation bridge in an area
that is as vulnerable as North Carolina or Louisiana, or for
that fact any of the other coastal areas. Does it pain you at
all that the Federal Government would propose this as the only
option?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again, I need to be further
backgrounded. This may be something that lends itself that
perhaps a future visit to North Carolina would be helpful.
Senator Burr. I look forward--the invitation is extended. I
look forward to having you there. Let me ask you this: Should
Federal lands be accessible and available to the public in this
country?
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes.
Senator Burr. All Federal lands?
Mr. Kempthorne. I would want to have a little more--you
would think so. I mean, it is the land that belongs to the
people.
Senator Burr. That is certainly their assessment of what
their tax dollars go for. We attracted, as I said earlier,
about a half a million individuals to Pea Island, a beautiful
national wildlife refugee. The difficulty that we are presented
is that if you remove the access to Pea Island and you limit it
to only those Americans that can afford their own boat or that
can afford the substitute, which would be some type of private
vendors' access, excursion to Pea Island. In fact, you have
cheated some segment of the American people from enjoying that
beauty, with over 2 million visitors a year to our coast. This
is an attraction but it is also a highlight of what the Federal
Government can do and can protect.
I would encourage you today to stay engaged with me on this
issue, be a partner in trying to find a resolution. I don't
think the State of North Carolina has been unwilling to
entertain additional ideas, but when you are given a choice
between this or nothing, it sets up a very difficult
relationship between North Carolina and the Federal Government.
As I said, we take very seriously our appointment--your
nomination, because 10% of our State is in your hands. Help us
resolve this little piece. I am confident that your leadership
can achieve some type of conclusion on this.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, thank you.
The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Burr. Thank you for your
observations, Mr. Secretary. Now we are going to proceed. We
are still on the first light, so we have time.
Senator Wyden, do you have your questions?
Senator Wyden. Thank you for your courtesy, Mr. Chairman.
Governor, Jack Abramoff used the Interior Department to
perpetrate one of the biggest scandals in recent history. While
Mr. Abramoff had the run of Interior the number two man at the
agency was Steven Griles. The Inspector General has described
Mr. Griles's service at Interior as an ``ethical quagmire.''
The Inspector General goes on to say that the agency's ethics
program--and I quote here--``is a wholesale failure.'' So, I
would like to hear what you plan to do to prevent future ``Jack
Abramoffs'' from ripping off the Interior Department, and
specifically, will you support tightening the conflict of
interest rules at the agency so that an appointee with an
overly close connection to a regulated party on an issue more
clearly removes or recuses themselves from consideration of
that particular matter?
The reason I ask that is Mr. Griles's kept signing recusal
agreements and then just kept meeting with all of these
clients. So, the question is, will you support tightening the
conflict of interest rules at the agency so that recusals are
more clearly stated? And frankly, I would like to have the
agency publicly release notice of a recusal. Will you support
those two steps?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Wyden, let me say that, first of
all, it is apparent that a crime was committed. Someone is now
serving time because of that. So there were laws that were
there that were broken. As I indicated to Senator Bingaman, one
of the first briefings that I received was with the ethics
office. Also, I have met with the Inspector General of the
Department of the Interior. It would be my intention to utilize
the Inspector General as a key member of the management team of
the Department. I also would like to say that from my
experience and the individuals that I have met, there are
outstanding individuals at the Department of the Interior. I
cannot specifically address what I would support or not support
because I do not yet know what all of those are. I will tell
you, though, if confirmed, the first day that I am Secretary of
the Interior I will also be sitting down with the Office of
Ethics and will also discuss the topic of ethics with the
employees of the Department of the Interior.
Senator Wyden. I will just tell you that meeting with the
Inspector General and implementing the Inspector General's
recommendations are going to be essential. The Inspector
General says your ethics program--and I quote here--``is a
wholesale failure.'' He talks about the prospect of future
train wrecks. It is going to be important for you to go in
there and drain the swamp. I would like to have you get back to
me, say within your first 90 days, in writing, as to whether or
not you will put in place the recommendations of the Inspector
General on ethics. Would you do that within the first 90 days?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, if you would agree with me, I will
be happy to get back to you within 90 days. I can't tell you
that it will be a letter that says I will do this or that until
I know more.
Senator Wyden. Fine. Mr. Chairman, do I have time for one
additional question?
The Chairman. He won't get back to you, he will get back to
the committee.
Senator Wyden. Absolutely. I appreciate your clarifying
that.
The additional question I wanted to ask involves royalty
relief for energy producers. Now, Governor, Gail Norton used
her authority to offer sweeteners to the oil and gas drillers
under the Department's royalty program. She began that in 2001
by offering royalty relief incentives to shallow water
producers who drilled more than 15,000 feet below the sea
bottom. In 2004, she offered additional incentives when she
raised the threshold prices. Now, what that meant, according to
news reports, is that some of these drillers are going to be
able to escape royalties in 2005 when the prices spiked to
record levels, and according to news reports, these producers
would escape royalties again this year. My first question to
you on this point is if you are confirmed as Secretary, would
you commit to not offering additional sweeteners to these
producers the way your predecessor, Ms. Norton, did at a time
of these record prices?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Wyden, let me just affirm I have
the greatest respect for Secretary Norton. I think she has
served this Nation so well for 5 years. On this issue of the
royalty relief, I would say to you that I believe that any
leases that go forward need to have the price threshold, so
that if in fact those prices go up, then there should not be
the royalty relief. As you know, there had been--and I will
call it unfortunate--errors that were made in the past during a
previous administration, but that procedure has been corrected
and that procedure remains in effect in the Department of the
Interior. I think what is important is that we want to find an
approach on this so that we can find additional sources of
energy, so that we are not so dependant on foreign sources of
energy, and included in that equation I want to put alternative
energy as well.
Senator Wyden. But, Governor, you won't do what Secretary
Norton did, which is to offer these additional sweeteners at a
time of record prices. I described to you specifically how at a
time when prices were going through the roof she sweetened this
program twice, in 2001 and 2004. I think what you have told me
is that you won't do that and if that is the case I think that
is constructive. I want to make sure we are clear on that.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again, I believe that--I will let
my statement stand. I don't have a permit to dig today.
Senator Wyden. I understand. Mr. Chairman, thank you for
your courtesy. I am going to come back with additional
questions.
The Chairman. Let me close. And we will indicate how we are
going to open, but let me comment on your last statement, so we
will know where we are. Senator, I am not aware that the
statement, which you have now repeated today and yesterday
about what Gail Norton did or did not do in the year 2001 and
again in 2004. I am not aware of exactly what that is, what
prompted it, under what power of authority it was done and we
want to get that before us rather than talk about it, because
it was just as if it were true, the only truth we have is it
was reported some place, and you are gathering from that
reporting what has occurred. We have to get that done and
somehow this committee is going to have to find out and give to
you and to us just what this so-called--you called it
something; what did you call it?
Senator Wyden. Mr. Chairman, again, with the utmost respect
for you, because you have always been very fair with me, as you
know, in the energy conference between the House and the
Senate, it was sweetened even again at a time of record
prices--not under something you led, but something that was led
from the other body by Mr. Barton.
The Chairman. But that is not illegal.
Senator Wyden. Of course, of course not.
The Chairman. So the point is, we have to get it before us
and make a decision on what we as a committee think about it,
not just because you think it is something we shouldn't be
doing. It has been done and perhaps is legal and may have some
validity that you don't like but may otherwise be valid. So we
are going to get back to that. I appreciate your not answering
the question, because indeed you have no way of knowing what
the situation was. We are going to get the committee to dig
that up.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. We are going to stand in recess, because
there are going to be two votes. We will return within 10
minutes after the second vote and stay here for another hour or
so and finish the questions, so you will have to remain here.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. We are in recess.
[Recess.]
The Chairman. Please come to order. I think we are going to
announce now that we are not going to be here indefinitely. We
are open now, so the Senators should get started thinking about
coming up here. I would think something like 1 o'clock might be
a reasonable time to get this concluded. With that, I am going
to yield to Senator Larry Craig, if he would like to start
questions at this point. Are you ready, Senator Craig?
Senator Craig. I am, thank you. Well, Governor, thank you
very much again for accepting the nomination that the President
has offered. We are proud of it and pleased that you would do
so.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you.
Senator Craig. I apologize, I lost my first round because I
was doing what you probably would have done as a U.S. Senator
in the backroom here. A guy by the name of Stan Boyd and a few
sheepherders came by to visit with me about some public land
problems they were having. I recommended that soon we would
have someone who, while I think the hats have changed, would at
least appreciate and understand, in a way that maybe other
Secretaries had not, the difficulty they find themselves in,
grazing their livestock on public lands.
I am going to put this cup up because when I come to this
committee, I drink out of it on a daily basis. It is a constant
reminder of who I am and where I am from. When we bring you
before this committee on probably a fairly regular basis, I
will put this cup up.
Mr. Kempthorne. That is nice.
Senator Craig. I think that's darned important.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you.
Senator Craig. Now let me offer up at least one softball
early on because of----
Mr. Kempthorne. Don't limit yourself, please.
Senator Craig. You have a reputation that is deserving and
I think important. How would you describe your approach to
environmental enforcement and environmental protection?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, first of all, may I thank you for
your introductory remarks, which you made. I truly appreciate
that. Also, I appreciate the sentiment that is expressed by
that cup. It is fair to say Idaho loves you as well.
My approach to enforcement of environmental----
Senator Craig. You have done some distinctive things as
Governor that I think ought to be repeated, that are
demonstrative of your style and character and how you have
dealt with sensitive issues in the State in relation to the
environment.
Mr. Kempthorne. Well, Senator, thank you very much. My
approach is to, No. 1, identify, what is the objective. Because
often--if we can leave the rhetoric behind and determine what
is the result that we all want, that is the first big step.
Then you bring the different diverse groups together, with the
realization that if we can resolve this amongst ourselves as
the stakeholders then all of us can have some claim of success
and victory. If, instead, we pursue a course of litigation and
confrontation, who knows when that will ever be concluded and
at how much cost? What do you have to show for it? We have done
things. We have gone into areas where--again, you talk about
minimum streamflow with ranchers. That is a tough issue and yet
we can show them the results. I believe that you simply need to
be creative in your approach, and fair-minded, so that people
believe that at least you have heard them. They may not like
the final outcome, but at least they feel that they have had a
fair hearing.
Senator Craig. Thank you. In our pre-hearing conversations,
I made a comment that I think is probably consistent with what
you will find yourself involved in over the next 2-plus years
as Secretary of the Interior. I suggested that you might, as
Secretary of the Interior, produce more energy for America's
consumers than would the Secretary of Energy. It is a unique
time and it is a bit of an anomaly as to where we are in energy
production in this country.
I must tell you that the administration that you come to
and the issues that you pick have--an effort that is well
underway at the moment. Secretary Norton, I think, laid some
very important groundwork toward streamlining applications for
permits to drill on public lands, as well as working with the
Minerals Management Service on open lands and off-shore issues.
We have some land use plans out in the Overthrust Belt of
the West, where, when gas was $2 a million cubic feet--I
believe that is the term or the figure--we simply said that
during sensitive times of the year, we would just shut down and
go away. We didn't really try to work out what would be
necessary to be done to sustain the environment, but to keep
development underway. Now we are being challenged by a market
and clearly we are losing our industrial base, our chemical
base. It is going overseas because of our price of gas. We have
got 3 trillion-plus cubic feet sitting in the Overthrust Belt
that ought to be delivered and brought into the pipeline. We
want to do it in an environmentally sound way. There is no
question about that. It won't be done, if it isn't. But it
deserves a new look to see what we can do collaboratively with
all the stakeholders to keep these rigs in line, even in
difficult or more sensitive times, and what we might do to
mitigate. I believe that will be your challenge.
For a moment, if you would, just visit with us about that
issue. As I mentioned to you, I think it is incumbent upon you,
working with the director, our national director, the BLM, and
others, to make sure that we keep this well on course over the
next couple of years. It is a difficult time in long-term
infrastructure development. It has a sense of immediacy to it
that no other time would bring.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Craig, I appreciate how you have
phrased the issue. I also appreciate your expertise on it. I
believe firmly that this Nation needs to be able to produce its
energy supply to the extent that we can continue to lessen
foreign dependence. It is an issue of both economic security
and national security. You have talked about sensitive areas
and that is part of it. We need to be sensitive. I do not
believe that they are mutually exclusive with the technology,
which we have brought about, with very, very effective
environmental standards that then can be met. We can accomplish
this. It also talks about different people that would be
involved--those who like hunting, fishing--so that we take into
account those activities. You can be more than one purpose in
these areas. I would also just point out that, as you and the
Chairman were great architects of the Energy Act of 2005, you
have also identified some very straightforward areas that the
Department of the Interior should be working on alternative
energy. So I will not remain strictly focused on the
traditional sources of energy. We will also, in a parallel
path, be looking for alternative sources as well.
Senator Craig. Well, I think you for those comments. I
sincerely believe that as I watch the cumbersome processes
within the agencies of our Government, and with the sense of
urgency that we brought to it with the enactment of the Energy
Act that Senator Domenici lead so successfully this past year,
I wish that were at the agency level. I think when the American
consumer today paid their winter heating bill or now pays $3-
plus at the pump, they have a sense of urgency as they see
their pocketbook drained. But I am very fearful that our
Federal agencies don't have that same sense. They remain almost
as cumbersome. Now, having said that, Director Clark has moved
very expeditiously and will continue to work with you to do so
and will hope to have that relationship with you.
If I could have one more question, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman. Yes, sir.
Senator Craig. I don't want to run across my time.
Governor, you have been involved as a western Governor and as
the Governor of Idaho in activities that are directly related
to the Department of the Interior. I was with you and Secretary
Norton when we signed what I believe to be a very significant
proposal as it relates to wolf management in an area where we
had planted a number of wolves in the tri-State area--Montana,
Wyoming and Idaho. I do also note that, if you get in, how you
approach this will at times bring criticism from your critics--
and you will have them.
You heard a few moments ago from the Senator from Oregon as
it relates to ethics. Do you expect that you will have to
rescue yourself on any of the issues that you have been
involved in along the way, and if you do, has that been
considered, and how will you handle that?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Craig, that is an issue. I have
been very forthright in saying I will abide by whatever the law
is, whatever the regulations, the rules would be, if confirmed,
to come from being an incumbent Governor that has dealt with a
number of these issues to being the Secretary of the Interior.
So, again, I will follow what is prescribed and what is
appropriate. Therefore, there may be, for a period of 12
months, those issues that I may not be able to personally be
involved with. But, again, I will abide by what is appropriate
and determined by the laws of the land.
Senator Craig. You used the phrase there ``may be a year or
12-month period''; is that the window that you are being
advised, as it relates to a specific decision and action that
you may have had a relationship with?
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes, I would say that that is the
identified timeline for different issues that would be Idaho-
specific, that for 12 months I may have to rescue myself from.
Senator Craig. Last, what is your very favorite place on a
public piece of property in Idaho?
Mr. Kempthorne. I would tell you, Senator, that it is--I
have many, but it is probably in Ponderosa State Park. It is a
state park. We made some nice improvements to it recently. We
will make additional improvements. I love all of our parks, but
that one--the reason I say it is because seated behind me are
Heather and Jeff and Patricia. Some years ago, Patricia and I
went to that park. We reserved an area so that we would take
the little children, Heather and Jeff, to camp. Before we could
actually go, a few months later and enjoy that campsite, I
became a candidate for the U.S. Senate. We never took that
camping trip. We have missed a lot of camping trips because of
the public service path I have taken. It is my hope that maybe
my son and daughter realize now that that path has lead to
something positive and that maybe because of this--in this new
role that the President has nominated me to, maybe I can help
more families access, enjoy, and realize what it is to be a
family in the great outdoors in the United States of America.
Senator Craig. Well, come have a cup of coffee with me
regularly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Governor.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you.
The Chairman. Now we are going to move over here to our
newest Senator, the Senator from New Jersey. Do you have any
questions?
Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Governor. Let me get right to some of my concerns. The recent
5-year plan put forth by the Minerals Management Service for
oil and gas drilling on the Outer Continental Shelf, it is a
real concern that I and others have. The first problem with the
offshore administrative boundaries that were announced on
January 3 is that they were announced without any comment from
the public or the States. Do you believe it is appropriate for
MMS to publish these boundaries without any public commentary?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again this is an area that I am
coming up to speed on. Let me say that it is my understanding
that before the proposed lease for the next 5 years can be
placed--there have been 36,000 comments that have now been
submitted. Those need to be reviewed before any final
determination is made.
Senator Menendez. I appreciate that, but the problem is
they started off with defining administrative boundaries
without even having the public input into it. So we start off
with a determination before the public has any possibility.
Would you consider revisiting those boundaries by consulting
with the States, particularly those of us on the east coast, if
you are confirmed as the Secretary?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, if confirmed, I believe I will be
certainly involved with that. I would be very happy to have
further discussions with you in that event.
Senator Menendez. Do you believe--I know the State of
Florida has been talking about that it deserves to have a
buffer zone around their beaches. Do you support that, and if
so, do you support a minimum mileage?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again, I would rather be further
grounded in this whole issue before I begin to make those types
of commitments.
Senator Menendez. Well, our problem is that, Governor, I
have to cast a vote before you get grounded. So I am trying to
get a sense from you as to what your vision is of drilling off
the Outer Continental Shelf, what protections, what
circumstances. I mean, we have a set of circumstances.
Let me ask you one other question. In this process, I and
my colleague in the Senate from New Jersey and members of the
New Jersey congressional delegation, during the comment period
for the draft proposed program, asked MMS to hold a hearing in
New Jersey. They held one hearing in the entire Mid-Atlantic
region. And yet, we have not gotten an answer. And the people
of New Jersey have not gotten an answer. Is that the way that
you believe that the Department should act?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I do not. I mean, I believe that
you deserve an answer. Also, you asked about what is my
approach? What is my philosophy? You stated in your opening
comments the importance of tourism in New Jersey. I know of
your concern. It is a beautiful State. I know of your concern
that there is protection. I think protection does need to be a
critical part of this. That protection meaning adhering to
environmental standards that needs to be put in place and
adhered to.
Senator Menendez. Can we get from you, Governor, at least a
commitment to have MMS hold a public hearing in New Jersey when
the draft EIS statement comes out?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again, may I first find out what
are the procedures? But I would be happy to respond to you in
writing before we make that commitment.
Senator Menendez. We'll ask a series of other questions in
this regard to the chair in writing. We would love to hear your
answers before we have to cast a vote.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you.
Senator Menendez. Because a simple public hearing should be
something that the people of New Jersey and the northeast
deserve, as a minimum. Let me just turn, very quickly--you
heard me refer to Lady Liberty.
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes.
Senator Menendez. I heard your comments in your opening
statement about access to public lands and security. The Daily
News, in today's paper, says that all that is open--it says,
``Liberate Lady Liberty. All that is open is a pedestal.
Visitors can look up her skirts, but they cannot''--it has been
the case since before September 11--``climb the spiral stairway
to her crown. She has become the statue of cowardliness, thanks
to the people who run Liberty Island, who are terrified of
terrorism.''
Now, we have had a whole host of security measures that
have been implemented that let people into the pedestal--that
let people onto the island and into the pedestal. So whatever
it is that is screened has been screened. Why can we not allow
the citizens of our great country--we have taken on terrorism
and said we face it with courage and conviction, why can we not
have the ability to have citizens go, as they have always done
since the Statue of Liberty was opened, up to its torch and see
its magnificent views and be part of that inspiration? I would
hope that you would make a commitment to make sure that we do
what is necessary to make that happen.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I appreciate that. I will tell you
that last night in anticipation of this hearing, my wife,
Patricia and I visited some of the national monuments here.
Why? Because we wanted inspiration, to listen to all of the
other citizens and their enthusiasm and reverence for these
national icons, like the Statue of Liberty, what it means to
all of us. Again, from a background as a Governor who believes
deeply in emergency preparedness, I will take your counsel. I
will look into this to see how can we further provide for the
access of the citizens to enjoy their national icons, while
understanding that we want to make sure that it is done safely.
Senator Menendez. I appreciate that. And we want safety.
That is why we lived with Lady Liberty being closed for a
while. We just simply want access to its crown, now that safety
has been established.
And last, Governor, we have been working on Ellis Island,
right across from New Jersey. We can almost touch Ellis Island.
There is actually a bridge that connects it for construction
work. For 2-plus years, the National Park Service has been
talking about a development plan. We have a non-profit entity
called Save Ellis Island that has raised over $26 million. We
cannot get the Park Service to, ultimately, after 2\1/2\ years,
come to a conclusion so that we can save the deteriorating
structures that are so much a part of the history of our
country. I hope that when you become the Secretary, you will
get them to finally, after 2\1/2\ years of inertia, be able to
move, so that we can bring a public/private partnership
together to save the crumbling parts of Ellis Island before it
is too late.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I appreciate your passion for
this. I also appreciate when you say that there is a non-profit
organization that has raised some $26 million, I think that is
truly significant. The citizens want to help. They want to step
in. So, again, I would be happy to look into this issue and get
to the point that you can have some answers.
Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Finished? Thank you very much. Are you ready
on this side?
Senator Talent. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Welcome, Governor. Congratulations.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, Senator.
Senator Talent. I hope you know what you are getting into.
Mr. Kempthorne. I am beginning to.
Senator Talent. I think you do. You have some experience.
You know Senator Craig opened up the subject I was going to
raise with you, which was energy. I would just ask you to step
back and just share your thoughts on how we might be able to
move forward on this issue. We clearly are in a situation that
is not acceptable.
I get visited all the time by enterprises that are under
enormous pressure, for example, because of the price of natural
gas. The figures I have looked at suggest that we have lost
almost 3 million jobs since 2000 because of the high price of
natural gas. This at a time when we have reserves of 193
trillion cubic feet domestically that we are not exploring at
all.
I don't say this, by the way, to be provocative to any way
of thinking about this. I am just stating the situation that we
are in. We have $70 or higher than that, I guess, barrels of
oil. We have reserves in the country, not just in the ANWR, but
also in other places. That could produce enough to supply 5 to
10% of our domestic needs. You know the situation. It just
seems to me it is so counterproductive for us not to be coming
up with a way to explore and use these proven reserves. It is
hard for me to think--and, again, with respect to everybody--of
a coherent philosophy that willingly cuts its own country off
from these sources of energy.
So I guess we are in--especially since there is such an
intimate connection between the ability to generate revenue and
economic growth and environmental quality. You said before that
they are not mutually exclusive. I would go further. I would
say that in order to tackle and solve the key environmental
problems we have remaining, we need prosperity. The government
needs revenue. People need to have the funds to spend the extra
money they may need on conservation measures. Business needs to
be able to invest in higher technology.
One of the biggest environmental problems that we have in
Missouri, for example, if not the biggest, is water quality in
southwest Missouri and our Table Rock and Tanneycomo systems
and the river systems leading up to that. That is largely a
money question. Everybody wants to clean it up. It is a
question of monitoring it, figuring it out, coming up with a
solution and then funding it. I suspect this is true all over
the country--land management, it is money. You can't come up
with these funds if we are in a recession. So, I would say
there is a connection between getting energy prices down and
improving environmental quality. I wonder if you don't agree
and if you would share maybe something about how we can step
back, maybe get people to back away from the entrenched
positions and just figure out a way to do what I think to most
Americans seems common sense, to find a way to the natural gas
that is in the country and use it to lower costs and save jobs.
The same thing with the oil. While we are pursuing as
quickly as we can a new world or renewable world that I think
we are all, or most of us are, now in agreement on. So if you
would share some thoughts on that, I would appreciate that.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Talent, thank you very much. I
appreciate that you reiterated economic vitality, a positive
environment--they are not mutually exclusive.
Senator Talent. They are mutually dependent is what I am
saying, it seems to me.
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes. And Senator, I will tell you both as a
Governor and previously as a Mayor, it was when we had a
positive economy that we were then able to go and make
improvements or expansion of parks and recreation and access.
So, those are the benefits that you get with a positive
economy. It is also, I believe, national security, the well
being of this country.
So we do need to have reliable sources of energy. You say,
``Well, how do we then begin to change the atmosphere so we can
talk about it?'' The technology that has been developed,
tremendous things, steps forward that have been taken. I
believe it is fair to say that during Katrina that they were
able to--in the deep platforms where they were drilling, they
were able to turn off that at the ocean floor. There was not a
problem. So, you have the technology.
Then you have to consider the safety considerations. How do
we do this safely? How do we do it so that it protects the
environment so that we do not harm the environment in one
equation, while we are helping it another? I believe you can
accomplish both.
Also, Senator, I affirm what you have mentioned about the
alternative sources, the renewables. I think we do have to do
that in a parallel course, so we do not look--we are simply
wedded to the old ways, but there are new ways and we will be
aggressive in seeking those.
Senator Talent. Yes. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe once
you are confirmed--and I hope and think you will be--your time,
of course, is going to be incredibly short but maybe just some
off-the-record, quiet conversations with people on different
sides of this issue. Because I have a feeling that out of the
public limelight, when they weren't standing up for a long-held
position, people would probably agree on the basics of this.
Maybe, you just might ask people, ``Look, what is it you feel
you would need, coming from your framework, to be able to move
forward on this?'' Because it just seems to me we are butting
heads here over something that most people, over a cup of good
Energy Committee coffee, would probably agree we ought to be
able to work together on. You might be the person to do it. You
know this place. You know the needs of the States. And they are
obviously States with parochial interests, pro and con, on
this. It is just a suggestion to you. It is easy for me to
offer up your time. I would hope you would think about that,
because I can't think of anything more important for both
jobs--all three jobs, national security and the environment. We
can't do what we need to do in Missouri on water quality unless
we can come up with the funding, and that is just not there
when we don't have the revenue.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I appreciate what you have said
and I think it is wise counsel.
Senator Talent. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Thank you, very much.
Senator Mary Landrieu.
Senator Landrieu. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Governor. It has been a long morning and I appreciate your
patience. I know that the Chairman is--I have got to call the
meeting at 1, so I will try to be brief, because several of my
colleagues may have additional questions.
As we left off from our last meeting, you had stated that
you weren't as familiar with the gulf coast States' situation,
relative to their hosting of offshore oil and gas production.
Of course, you were more familiar with the Western States'
arrangements, including Idaho, that received a small--but
received some money from oil and gas, as you know. Have you had
some time over the last few weeks--as you visited with
different Senators and researched some of the important aspects
of the job that you have been nominated to do, have you had
some opportunity to consider the situation with the coastal
States and the way that they serve as host for the off-shore
oil and gas production for the Nation?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Landrieu, yes, I have. I spent some
time with Senator Martinez. I spent some time with Senator
Nelson. As I have conducted these visits, all of it adds to it,
but not nearly to the extent that--if confirmed, I can then
devote my full effort and not be wearing also the hat as a
sitting Governor and the CEO of a State.
Senator Landrieu. Well, I appreciate that and I understand
that. I would like to just show a chart that has been very
helpful to me, and I think to many of the Senators, to
understand that when I speak about, and the Mississippi and
Texas and Alabama Senators say that we are America's Energy
Coast, we mean it, we can prove it. This graph shows it.
Because, if you took a picture of the entire country--now, this
is only our coast, but it would be basically white and open air
is all around the country, because there are moratoria that
exist everywhere, except for the gulf coast. And there are many
reasons for that, but we have a long tradition of support for
oil and gas production.
Each of these yellow dots represents a lease, and each of
the pink or fuchsia colors represents a producing lease.
You will notice that the area right here, the white part,
is the State's--technically the State's land. It is 10 miles
for Texas. It is the way they came into the Nation. It is 3
miles for us. And 10 miles or about 9 for Mississippi and
Alabama. It was based on the way that these territories came
into the country.
But the bottom line is that is you can see the drilling is
well past the States' borders. And it is well past, because
technology has improved because our own tax code encourages
deep drilling in the Gulf, where we think there are great
reserves. And so my question or point is, as you continue to
study this, would it be possible, do you think, to use your
great mediation skills to try to help the country to understand
that a better partnership between these States and the Federal
Government would be to everyone's interest in providing
critical funding for these States to protect this
infrastructure, as well as to provide the Government and the
country with more product, that being oil and gas?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I would be happy to continue this
observation--the good input that you have and also to affirm
the critical importance of this to the United States.
Senator Landrieu. My second question will be about the fact
that the Congress is right now considering opening up
additional areas. We think that that focus may be on Lease Sale
181, which is not represented on this map, but if it were, it
would be basically close to the Alabama-Florida line. It is not
represented on here, but that would be the first significant
expansion in the Gulf of Mexico for new lease sales in quite
some time. In my view, this would be an appropriate time to
establish the right kind of partnership that is good for the
country, good for the coastal States, and frankly a desperate
need of the environment that is greatly impacted and although I
am, as you know, a very aggressive supporter of responsible oil
and gas drilling, I would not be the responsible Senator if I
didn't also say that there are impacts. And some of them are
negative. You offset those negative impacts by spending the
dollars that you generate from the industry in wise ways. That
is what we are speaking about. So I will continue to share this
with you and with others through the process, but as you know,
we are considering how to move forward on Lease Sale 181 under
the Chairman's leadership. This issue is at a crucial--has a
lot of bearing on how we move forward or not on that issue.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, I believe that you have raised--
and you are very articulate in raising these issues. They are
appropriate issues. I would be very happy to be engaged in the
discussion, if confirmed, when confirmed.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator. I have not
inquired yet, and I will not at this point, but I will say to
you, Senator, one of the things that I believe is you have a
myriad of activities that you are going to have to familiarize
yourself with that you don't know about. But there is no
question you must proceed down to these coastal areas, not only
because we had Katrina occur, and you must see what the result
is. It happens that the United States of America, for better or
for worse, made a nest egg out of that area in terms of its--
America's energy prosperity. It is overladen with activity.
That is from the leasing of the land, which would be from zero
points to something--all the way to ``Where did the refineries
end up and where did everything else end up?'' It is all within
two or three States in that gulf coast area. There sits
America's energy presence and America's energy future.
Now the situation has compounded because there are still
huge amounts of resources there. At this very moment there is
more natural gas in that area ready for development than
anything we can do as a Nation, anything that we can develop in
the short term. You must learn that your own self and find out
that that is the case. It is just so. And yet there are the
interests that have already been expressed to you here: No, we
don't want to do that, because we want to protect ourselves,
whatever it is that we have that is good for our future. We
have to find a way, as a people, to get around this situation
and do both.
There is no reason in the world why we cannot drill, with
modern technology, for the natural gas that is under this water
and bring it onboard and sell it for America's companies and
America's households. It is absolutely--there is just no
question, if you put the issue to the American people and they
understood what we are talking about, they would vote
overwhelmingly to protect it, but don't protect it to the
exclusion of development.
I don't care what other Senators have said, you are going
to be charged with getting in the middle of this. And please,
you cannot take a position as Secretary that you are going to
side with one State or another and what it is they want. There
is an American interest involved in this. That is what we are
trying to solve.
And in doing it, we might have to give some resources we
have not given before to the states that surround it. I have
already made some decisions in that regard and given some big
money the last time we had an opportunity to share. That was
not executively determined, we determined it. We have another
one now. We are going to determine it. I hope we have not made
it too complicated. We will see here pretty soon. I think it is
a simple proposition of giving the coastal States a rather
substantial amount of money and getting on with section 181 and
pulling it out and drilling.
Mary Landrieu might think there are more things to it
beyond that. I think she and her State should get a great
quantity of money now and in the future. But I don't know that
we have to solve all of Florida's problems with 181. They have
plenty of time to solve their problems. But please understand
this is a big issue--not just the lease, the whole coastal
American-U.S. Department of the Interior relationship.
I used more time than my questions, but I am going to give
you one and come back to you in a minute, because there is one
that is burning on my mind. I want to give it to you, and I
want you to get it right, right now. I want you to take it with
you. We have got to work on it. That's Indian water rights
settlements, probably something you have never heard of.
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes.
The Chairman. Indian water rights settlements, they are
pending across this land, Indian water rights cases that have
to be settled, the United States is in the process of settling
many of them. It is difficult to settle them, Mr. Secretary--
you will find that--because, literally, it is a question of
Indian water claims that are ancient, old and unused versus
modern-day uses that have taken advantage and used the water
and now we have reached the point where you must settle and pay
up. Now, the problem is that generally you can come up with a
way to do it, but when you add it all up there is some money
due somebody. You know honeydew? This is money due.
I wanted to say to you that the Federal Government has
become oblivious to the proposition that they owe money. They
sit on the sideline and just let these cases rock along and
then say ``Well, too expensive.'' Well, that is not going to
last too long. I am going to find some way that they are going
to pay. I want you to look at it. I am telling you now I am
giving you today two powerful, big settlements in my State.
Now, I don't do this because I want to give you something just
for me; I do it because we already settled a big one in
Arizona. They got their money. We found a source of revenue. It
flowed into it.
Senator Craig. We did Idaho but no money in it.
The Chairman. We did Idaho. We are waiting around to see
how much is due. We have two of ours, big ones. One is called
the Aamodt case. One is called the Abeyta case. I can tell you
right now, Mr. Secretary, this will not disappear from your
mind, because we are going to find some way to work on this
before you get out of this office. We are going to have a way
to take care of it.
Now, I am coming back to another terribly difficult issue,
but I want to get these Senators in now. I guess time would
be--where were we? Is it your turn, Senator? OK. The Senator
from Alaska.
Senator Murkowski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I would certainly concur with you that when it comes to the
difficult issues that will be confronting you as Secretary of
the Interior, while I admire and I applaud your willingness to
serve, I don't know that I would be willing to step up to the
plate, given the nature of some of the issues, as Senator
Landrieu presented, and as the Chairman has mentioned.
We have our own set of sticky wickets in Alaska and I am
sure you know many of them. We have had a chance to discuss
them and I look forward to working through some of those issues
in the next few months.
The one that is on everybody's mind right now is energy,
what we are going to do. And I have repeated over the past
couple of weeks, we can do a lot of things here in Congress. We
can make and repeal a lot of laws, but we can't repeal the law
of supply and demand. When we are talking about the energy
picture we must talk about supply at the same time that we talk
about easing off on the demand side and conservation. We know
those and alternatives are very important, but we must also
look to what we can do domestically.
Of course, I come around to the ANWR issue. As I mentioned
in my opening statement, we have 76 million acres of wilderness
in Alaska, but the coastal plain of Alaska, when we are talking
about drilling in ANWR, is not wilderness. It was never set up.
It was never proposed as such. This was land that was
specifically set aside in the Lands Act to be studied for the
potential for oil and gas development. We have studied that. We
have done the analysis. We have done the recommendation. We
have passed it through the Congress. Once, the President vetoed
it. We could be in a better position with our oil supply right
now if we had that ANWR oil online. I guess my question to you,
Governor, is whether in your judgment the Congress does a
disservice to this Nation when it keeps what may be the
Nation's most promising energy asset, when it comes to oil and
the potential for gas, when we keep the coastal plain of ANWR
under lock and key.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Murkowski, I will just affirm to
you that I believe that it has the potential of a great
resource. I believe that it is part of the equation for the
well being of this Nation. I believe that it can be
accomplished with the highest of environmental standards and
with the technology that can affirm that, so that we can
appropriately and properly develop that resource. I have been
on record in the past as having supported it and I will remain
so.
Senator Murkowski. I appreciate your commitment and look
forward to working with you on the issue. I want to just do a
quick add on to Senator Landrieu's comments about off-shore and
OCS exploration. The Department, of course, is in the midst of
formulating the new 5-year OCS lease schedule. There are a
couple different areas in Alaska right now that are generating
some controversy on this issue. We have the Beaufort-Chukchi
Provision. And there is sensitivity by many of our Alaska
natives in the whaling community, concerns about the potential
for development, specifically the seismic activity that could
conflict with the whaling season in the spring and in the fall;
then, down in Bristol Bay, concern from our fishermen in that
region. Bristol Bay is probably one of our richest areas in
terms of fishing resources. We have got concerns from those
within the fishing industry, environmental concerns. So, my
question to you is, as you look to these two off-shore areas in
Alaska, which clearly have great potential for the resources, I
guess I want your assurance that you will work with us as we
try to accommodate the concerns that have been expressed by the
Alaskan natives with regards to whaling, restrictions and
activity during whaling season, as well as your understanding
and appreciating the concerns of our fishermen in the Bristol
Bay area.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Murkowski, yes, I commit to you
that I will be more than happy to work with you. I believe that
you can help me to gain the greater understanding of the full
picture of the implications, both to the native Alaskans and to
the fishermen, their reliance upon this same area and how you
can have a system where it is compatible, that it need not be
this entity versus that entity, but somehow we can benefit.
Again, I think you can be part of that solution.
Senator Murkowski. Well, I appreciate that. I do believe
that given the technology that we have nowadays--and we are
seeing it on-shore. The technology that we are utilizing up
north now is so entirely different than when we first started
30 years ago. I believe that we see the developments in the
offshore as well, but we know that we have got to do it
responsibly and right. As much as I want to see the
developments so that we are providing the resource for this
country, I want to make sure that we are working with and
protecting the environment and providing that balance. So, I
appreciate your perspective. I believe that we can do both. I
don't think that they are mutually exclusive--that is
development versus the environment--but that together we can
make it work and we can provide for that balance. I appreciate
your commitment to working with us on that.
Mr. Kempthorne. Well, thank you, Senator Murkowski. And
again, I appreciate what you just articulated. I think we must
never forget that. That has to be our standard that we hold up
and that we achieve.
Senator Murkowski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Craig [presiding]. Senator, thank you. Let us now
turn to Senator Salazar.
Senator Salazar. Thank you, Senator Craig. Thank you again,
Governor Kempthorne, for coming before the committee today.
I want to ask you a question concerning the National Park
System. From my point of view, when I study the history of our
national parks and I see the crown jewels that we created in
this Nation, it is important for us always to remember that the
1916 Organic Act talked about the conservation of these
treasured resources. Many of us on this committee have raised
the question as to whether or not it is wise for the National
Park System to move forward with their new revised policy. We
have not been able to articulate a reason as to why we should
change the principle doctrine, to do no harm to our National
Park System. And it is my view that what the National Park
System is attempting to do is attempting to diminish the
priority of conservation. I would like you to comment on that
issue and also ask you a very specific question as to whether
you will agree to revisit the proposed changes for the National
Park System on their parks policy?
Mr. Kempthorne. OK. Senator Salazar, first of all, let me
just say, if confirmed, yes, I will look forward to reviewing
those proposed changes, the management policies. You ask why it
was necessary. From the briefings that I have received, here
are some of the conclusions that I have drawn.
First of all, those procedures pre-dated 9-11. The world
has changed. So, we put into place--or they have put into place
those elements dealing with Homeland Security. Also, it did not
address at all information technology, which we have seen in
the Department of the Interior as a critical issue. It had
reference to employee management, but now I believe the
proposals have an entire chapter on employee management. I do
not believe that it affects, nor would it, nor would it be the
philosophy of the Park Service that you would walk away from
the do-no-harm policy/strategy. But any dynamic organization
from time to time, I think, needs to be introspective, see
where they can make improvements. Significantly, there are some
58,000 comments that have been submitted concerning these
changes, which are part of a review process.
Senator Salazar. If I may, Governor Kempthorne, I
appreciate the answers to that question. Let me ask you whether
you would be willing to subject the new proposed policies to
another round of public comment so that we make sure that not
only the public but also employees within the National Park
System provide input to the new policies that are being
proposed.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, again, I feel that I can't today,
not knowing all the procedures and processes, make those types
of commitments. I don't know that that would be appropriate.
Let me just say that I would be happy, if confirmed, to get
back with you so that we can further discuss this. You have
raised some very appropriate points.
Senator Salazar. Let me just say that I look forward to the
continuing conversation on this. I know on a bipartisan basis
there is a tremendous concern about the policy and I want to be
involved with the Department of the Interior and the National
Park Service as you move forward on that issue.
Mr. Kempthorne. I appreciate that.
Senator Salazar. Let me quickly move to another issue, and
that is the public land sales that have been proposed. I think
in an earlier response to one of my colleagues I thought I
heard a position from you that you are opposed to the sale of
public lands in order to address deficit reduction issues. I
would like you to just reiterate for the committee what your
position is with respect to the selling off of public lands to
address budgetary needs.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator, if it is specific and strictly for
deficit reduction, I do not favor that. That would be my
position. That would be what I would advocate, if confirmed, in
those meetings discussing how we resolve this budget deficit
that is facing the country. I do not want to preclude, though,
the tool. There are instances and situations where you do want
to be able to sell public lands, whether it is enclaves,
whether it is to assemble more efficient management blocks of
land.
Senator Salazar. Let me just say, Governor, I agree with
you that there are management times when sales are appropriate,
but I very much agree with your statement that it is
inappropriate to do it just as part of overall deficit
reduction without having had a rational plan put together as to
why it is that we are engaging in a sale of isolated tracts. It
seems to me to be a change of the way that we have approached
the ownership and management of our public lands. Quickly, just
because--may I ask another question, Mr. Chairman?
The Chairman [presiding]. Yes.
Senator Salazar. As we move forward, I think, in this
Committee with the leadership of Senator Domenici, one of the
things that we will be looking at is obviously the opening up
of Lease Sale 181, which Senator Landrieu and others have
discussed.
For Senator Alexander and myself, the stateside funding of
the Land and Water Conservation Fund is very important. I know
from public statements that you have made that they--back 4 or
5 years ago that you have been a very strong advocate of the
full funding of the stateside Land and Water Conservation Fund
at the level of $450 million. It is my hope that as we move
forward with this agenda on Lease Sale 181 that we will be able
to fulfill the public statements that you made in support of
funding of the Land and Water Conservation Fund. I just wanted
to know from you whether you will be supportive as we look at
ways of funding LWCF.
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Salazar, I am very supportive of
the land and water conservation funds. I have seen how
beneficial they are to the States. I would like to be a partner
with you, with Senator Alexander, and others in determining how
can we find the revenue source so that we can see the funds
that can be used by the States for Land and Water Conservation
Funds.
Senator Salazar. Are you hungry?
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes, sir, I am.
Senator Salazar. Thank you very much for staying so long
with us.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you for staying too.
The Chairman. Thank you very much, Senator. While you are
still here, I want to indicate what an active participant you
have been, even though you are relegated to that distant seat
by designation of the rules around here, and that we are going
to visit Mr. Secretary together. We are going to visit the oil
shale deposits in his State. That is going to take place during
the Memorial Day recess. You are very busy, but we are going to
give you that schedule.
Senator Salazar. All right, Mr. Chairman, thank you.
The Chairman. I want you to know that we believe, Mr.
Secretary, that the United States is the ``Saudi Arabia of
Shale'' and that the bulk of that resource is on Federal land.
Now I don't think you understand sitting there at that table
what that makes you. But, literally, if what some of us think
is possible--to wit, the actual development of that shale,
turning it into crude oil--you are the owner and ultimate
lessor of the most valuable American commodity anyplace in our
land, because that shale is directly convertible to oil. You
just heat it enough and it turns into oil. It looks like one of
the American companies has found a way to do it. You will learn
about that. It is urgent that you have somebody on your staff,
in my opinion, become an expert quickly on shale oil and what
is happening in the United States.
I don't want to get you and the Department of Energy into a
fight, because I don't know who is in charge. I know you own
it. I know we told you what to do about getting it leased,
which you are already doing a terrific action toward getting
this property ready so that companies that want to develop it
are vying for leases. We are going to go see it, and with the
company that has the new technology. If that new technology
works, then the only question is going to be how many dollars
does it cost them to produce a barrel of oil?
That is why, when people wonder about the price of crude
oil, is it all bad because it is high? Some it is good because
it is high. Because when it is high, some of these investments
occur that bring on board alternatives that make us more
independent. In other words, shale oil won't come on board at
$10 a barrel oil, but it might at $40. And we are going to go
see about this and you are going to be the proprietor of the
most valuable properties in the world if this turns out to be
doable. So, I leave you that background.
Mr. Kempthorne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Having said that, I was going to ask you some
questions about ANWR. But you know about it. I can only tell
you that had the President of the United States signed that
when it went to him 10 years and 6 months ago, this country
would be producing 1.2 million barrels a day of oil from land
that you would have been the proprietor of, ANWR. That would
have been worth, believe it or not, according to the estimates,
if that would have occurred, that would have been worth $76
billion in corporate income taxes and $35 billion in royalties
as of today. Imagine that. Sitting up there, nobody can hardly
see it and we keep fighting over it.
Now, let me tell you hydropower is within your
jurisdiction. You should know, Mr. Secretary, that as a result
of this Senator's work that the hydropower laws have been
streamlined. Just in time, because about 25% to 40% of the
hydropower, small and large, are up for re-licensure in the
next 5 years. It is incumbent upon you that these new rules be
followed and that we not have big delays as we had before.
Those who did not want to solve this got it solved. It got
solved by the conferees in the final days of this session,
where you have a workable hydropower re-licensing law.
Now, I have many more, but I want to close with one that
you must know about. I am sure that you know a little bit about
the U.S. mineral laws with reference to people going out on the
Federal domain and setting forth their claim by what they call
a placer claim. I don't know if you have heard the word
``placer.'' You probably have. But a placer claim, you go out
and say I think there is a mineral here and you place your
claim--that is where the word comes from--and you do some work
in the meantime. You become, year by year, the one that is
entitled to lay claim to that property. Believe it or not, with
the surge of enthusiasm for nuclear power that has gone all the
way from the top down to the bottom, where people are now
locating placer claims for uranium all over the States of
Wyoming, New Mexico and Colorado. There is a 500% to 800%
increase in the number of new mining claims filed. Most of
these are for uranium.
It is important, Mr. Secretary, that the Department's
mission is advancing not just mining but advancing the
knowledge and use of valuable mineral resources from the
Federal lands. With this dramatic increase in the number of
mining claims being filed on the BLM, it is important that we
expect from your Department that you ensure the mining claims
and the mining permits are handled properly and in a timely
manner. So I leave you with that message that somebody is going
to have to get out there and see what is going on, because it
may be important to this country if there is uranium out there
that we go ahead and find it. Get it placed so that we can
produce more of our own. We are not producing any now, which is
an interesting phenomenon.
I have about 10 questions I am going to submit; answer them
quickly. Senators have the rest of the day to submit questions,
and if they don't submit them by then, it is too late. We will
then wrap them up and then next Wednesday we should have a vote
and you should be confirmed. There is no way to hold this up.
We know nothing about how the floor leader intends to proceed.
This business of holds, there have been no holds. The holds
will have to come down there and debate.
Senator Craig. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Not that
I am striving to have the last word here, but there is a
question or at least a reaction I would like to get from the
Governor to an issue that is every bit as important in your
State as it is in ours.
The Chairman. Shoot.
Senator Craig. It is one that you and I have worked on very
closely. We have just had in Interior, but at the Bureau of
Reclamation, a fine gentlemen retiree by the name of John Keys,
a friend of yours and mine.
Mr. Kempthorne. Yes, sir.
Senator Craig. We also have there another fellow by the
name of Mark Limbaugh, who is doing an excellent job at this
moment. They came with a charge. Partly that charge was when we
asked John Keys to come and serve, I said to him,
``Commissioner-to-be, will you never allow a Klamath Falls
water incident to occur on your watch?'' You remember the great
controversy there that dried up the landscape and created some
phenomenal difficulties. True to his charge, he did not allow
that to happen. But out of that grew an initiative known as
Water 2025, the water initiative that is critical to the West
now and for the future.
Our State of Idaho, and you have been there as Governor,
has witnessed the two very real preoccupations and realities
that our legislature has gone through the last two sessions
with water. It is happening all over the West. Why? Because the
State of Idaho, Nevada and Arizona and the rest of the West,
certainly the State of New Mexico, are populating at an
unprecedented rate. And getting out in front of the need for
water in the future years is going to be tremendously
important. Being from a State where these concerns have not
gone unnoticed, is it your intention to not only continue
pushing Water 2025 but also to pursue its expansion?
Mr. Kempthorne. Senator Craig, yes, without question. In my
opening statement, that is why one of areas that I highlighted
was water. It is critical. I appreciate, Senator Craig, your
leadership on water issues. You mentioned how critical that is
to the West. I believe it is critical to many States in the
East as well that have been experiencing drought. That is a
finite resource. It is precious. Without water, many, many
things just will not happen, including the well-being of the
citizens that are here. So, yes, we will do that and it will be
a priority, but not just in theory. It would be a variety of
things.
Mr. Chairman, you talked about the Indian rights and the
water settlements. That is something that we do need to pursue
and find a conclusion, so that we don't continue to expend the
resources of money for years and the solution evades us. We
have done a variety of things in Idaho, where we have purchased
water rights, where we have taken some productive land out of
production but instead have returned it now to natural grasses.
It turns out it is a wonderful critical habitat for different
species. I believe there is a whole host of things that we can
aggressively do--and creatively do--so that we can also find
solutions for municipalities, surface, ground water, spring
users, tribes, outdoor activists, recreational. Again, I accept
that charge, Senator Craig. It is indeed important.
Senator Craig. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The Chairman. Very specifically, 2025 water money is
terrific. That program was invented. Its title is beautiful. It
does a great job. The only problem is there isn't enough money.
You must be an advocate next budget cycle to double the money
for 2025 when you look at what it does in our respective
States. It is absolutely marvelous.
Senator Craig. And then Pete will get it for you.
Mr. Kempthorne. I appreciate that.
The Chairman. Thank you very much. Well, there is nothing
further. It seems like we have had a pretty responsible
hearing. We are going to recess and say thank you to you and
hope that everything works out fine. Thanks to your family for
their patience and for being here. I hope you enjoyed it. It
was probably boring. And for the youngsters, you were wondering
just when you could get out of here, you can get out of here
now.
[Whereupon, at 1:26 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
APPENDIXES
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Appendix I
Responses to Additional Questions
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Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Domenici
ANWR
Question 1. On Tuesday of this week, the Congressional Research
Service released a report on the potential Federal tax revenues from
oil development in ANWR. According to CRS, at today's oil prices,
production of the mean estimate of recoverable oil in ANWR--10.4
billion barrels--would yield the federal government about $76 billion
in corporate income taxes and $35 billion in royalties.
Do you know if the Interior Department has performed a similar
analysis of the potential corporate income taxes and royalties that the
Treasury would receive upon production of ANWR resources, and if not,
do you think it would be a good idea for the Department to do its own
analysis?
Answer. Chairman Domenici, I am not aware of whether the Department
of the Interior performed such an analysis. If confirmed, however, I
would be happy to look into this matter, including whether the
Department or its bureaus have the appropriate expertise or are the
appropriate entities to carry out such an analysis.
DESIGNATION OF ENERGY CORRIDORS ACROSS FEDERAL LANDS
Question 2. Pursuant to the Energy Policy Act of 2005, the Interior
Department is currently engaged in a 2-year process to identify and
designate energy corridors across federal lands that can be used for
siting new transmission facilities.
This includes completion of a west-wide programmatic environmental
impact statement and a record of decision that will simultaneously
amend the relevant land use plans. I know that you are aware of the
nature of these environmental requirements.
Can you commit to me that if you are confirmed, you will ensure
that this work gets completed within the two-year timeframe.
Answer. It is my understanding that this effort is currently on
schedule. If confirmed, you have my commitment to providing the
necessary resources for completing the Programmatic Environmental
Impact Statement for the designation of energy right-of-way corridors
on Federal lands in the west. I am informed that this is an interagency
effort that involves the Department of Energy, Department of the
Interior, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Department of Defense, and
Department of Commerce in consultation with the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission and State and local governments. The Department
of Energy is the lead for the Programmatic Environmental Impact
Statement. However, the Department of the Interior will work hard to
meet its timeframe commitments.
HYDROPOWER
Question 3. EPAct reformed the Federal Power Act's hydroelectric
licensing provisions by providing for an expedited trial-type hearing
on disputed issues of material fact and allowing any party to offer
alternative conditions. The resource agencies (Interior, Commerce, and
Agriculture), in consultation with FERC, issued an Interim Final Rule
on November 17, 2005. However, just one month later, American Rivers
filed suit in Washington State's western district, challenging the
interim rule.
If confirmed, do you plan to continue the rulemaking process to
finalize the rule?
Answer. If confirmed, I plan to continue the rulemaking process.
ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT
Question 4. During your tenure as Senator for the State of Idaho,
you led efforts to develop comprehensive legislative changes to the
Endangered Species Act. Those efforts included the development of S.
1180, the Endangered Species Recovery Act of 1997 and S. 1181, the
Endangered Species Habitat Protection Act of 1997.
Have your views on the ESA evolved since you left the Senate, and
if so, in what way?
Answer. As Governor, my experiences with the ESA have broadened and
I recognize the important role States and private landowners play. I
believe S. 1180 was a sound consensus bill for reauthorization of the
ESA in 1997. I have a better understanding of what ESA implementation
means for States and private landowners, and I strongly believe there
are common sense approaches that can be adopted to promote better
species conservation and recovery.
In addition, I believe that species recovery is best obtained
through incentives and partnerships. Section 6 of the Act, a provision
that provides for State-Federal cooperative programs, is a valuable and
underutilized tool that can facilitate partnerships between the Federal
government and States for protecting and recovering species. With
limited Federal funding, shouldn't we make a concerted effort to
maximize the best of our shared resources--State and Federal--to find
better and more cost-effective solutions under the ESA?
I also recognize that Washington, D.C. does not have exclusive
access to the best science, innovative solutions, or the most efficient
operations in terms of getting work done on the ground. That is where
States and private property owners can, and must, play an integral
role, in both the listing and the recovery process.
If confirmed, I look forward to working with the Congress to
improve and update the ESA.
Question 5. What priority do you expect to place on improvements to
the ESA in your role as Secretary of the Interior?
Answer. In the past thirteen years of working on ESA issues, I have
heard from thousands of individuals, both from Idaho and around the
country that the ESA can work better. As Governor of Idaho, I created
an Office of Species Conservation to improve the State of Idaho's
implementation of the ESA.
The Endangered Species Act must focus on recovery, not just the
listing of threatened and endangered species. I have never heard anyone
suggest that they do not support recovering species. I have never heard
anyone say we should turn our back on species in trouble. Along those
lines, I am committed to placing a high priority on species recovery
and to improving the ESA to accomplish that goal.
Question 6. How would you update and modernize the ESA or its
implementation?
Answer. As a Senator, I introduced legislation that worked to
strike a balance between the needs of species and the needs of people.
I proposed the protection of our rare and unique species, recognized
the rights of individuals and property owners, and provided more
incentives to encourage property owners to become partners in the
conservation of species.
As the Governor of Idaho, I have been committed to the idea that
wildlife management programs are most effective when they are based on
sound science. I worked with stakeholders and partners to build
conservation efforts which led to real, on-the-ground conservation and
habitat improvement projects.
The Federal government must provide incentives for private
landowners, local governments, and states to motivate them to avoid
listing in the first place and then, if necessary, to participate in
recovery after listing. The process would be better if it encouraged
innovation with incentives to protect species. Currently, there is a
real fear of endangered species becoming established on properties
because the law focuses on punishing those who do not comply, rather
than on rewarding those who voluntarily engage in conservation efforts.
The Act should encourage the states and individuals to participate
in the process of working together with the Federal government to help
conserve and recover at risk species.
ENERGY PRODUCTION
Question 7. The Department plays a critical role in emphasizing
responsible development of energy resources on Federal lands. Since
passage of the Energy Bill last summer we are looking to the Department
to implement many aspects of the bill.
Over the past few years we have pressed for improved service in the
Department's energy programs and access to federal lands.
I am sure you are aware of the backlog in processing drilling
permit applications. Will correcting this problem be a priority for you
as Secretary?
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, efficient permitting for energy will be
a priority for me. It is my understanding that the Energy Policy Act of
2005 provides additional tools and funding to increase the efficiency
of processing drilling permits, including the seven pilot project
offices in the Bureau of Land Management. Additionally, I understand
that the FY 2007 budget provides funding for other, non-pilot agencies
to improve permit processing.
OIL SHALE
Question 8. America is the ``Saudi Arabia'' of Oil Shale and the
bulk of this resource is on Federal Land. This may represent our best
chance to eliminate our dependence on Mideast oil. In the Energy Bill
we took steps to initiate an Oil Shale Program at BLM.
Can I get a commitment that the Department will aggressively
implement such a program?
Answer. I am advised that the Department is making progress in
implementing the oil shale resource lease program. If confirmed as
Secretary, I will ensure the Department of the Interior's oil shale
program continues to be implemented as expeditiously as possible.
Question 9. I have made you aware of the magnitude of this resource
in this country. Do you have any other ideas that might hasten its
development in addition to those enacted in the Energy Bill?
Answer. I have been pleased to learn of the magnitude of the
domestic oil shale resource. If confirmed as Secretary, I look forward
to working with you on innovative approaches to managing this and other
domestic resources managed by the Department of the Interior.
INDIAN WATER RIGHTS SETTLEMENTS
Question 10. As you are aware, un-adjudicated Indian water rights
claims in the western United States are a great source of uncertainty
and are, in my view, the greatest impediment to effective water
management. In May of 2004, you signed the Nez Perce Water Rights
Settlement which settled Indian water rights claims to the Snake River
Basin. There are several Indian water rights settlements that are
nearing completion in New Mexico. They include the Aarnodt, Abeyta and
Navajo settlements.
Do I have your assurance that, if confirmed, you will make the New
Mexico Indian water rights settlements a priority and that you will
work to promote a reasonable federal contribution as part of these
settlements?
Answer. As I noted in my opening statement, I commit to bringing
the same energy and concern that I had for the Nez Perce settlement to
other Indian water rights issues. As I responded in your next question,
if confirmed, I plan to meet with OMB and Department of Justice to
discuss the issue of an appropriate Federal contribution.
Question 11. If confirmed, how will you secure a commitment from
OMB that a reasonable federal contribution will be made available for
Indian water rights settlements?
Answer. If confirmed, I plan to meet personally with OMB and the
Department of Justice on this issue, including a discussion on an
appropriate Federal contribution.
WESTERN FIRE SUPPRESSION
Question 12. Between 1994 and 2004 we have suffered an average or
94,000 fires each year which burned an average of 4.8 million acres
each year, but three times in the last six years the five federal fire
fighting agencies have exceeded a billion dollars in fire suppression
costs, and each of the last six years have exceeded the 10 year average
cost of fire fighting.
Given the increasing costs of fire suppression and fire
preparedness, I am wondering if it might not be wise to invest more in
hazardous fuels reduction work and less in the fire line items. Would
you care to comment on that?
Answer. It is my understanding that the Department has invested
significant resources in hazardous fuels reduction, more than
quadrupling funding over 2000 funding levels. If confirmed, I will
continue to support for the fire program and will I carefully look at
appropriate funding levels for all components of the fire program.
DROUGHT IN SOUTHWEST
Question 13. The water forecast for the state of New Mexico this
year is bleak. This snow year may be the worst since 1892, the year
that we begin taking records. I included in the Emergency Supplemental
Appropriations bill a provision to reauthorize the Bureau's emergency
drought assistance program through 2010 and fund the program at $7.5
million.
If confirmed, do I have your assurance that you will do all you can
to help New Mexico through this tough time? If so, what suggestions do
you have to help New Mexico through the current drought?
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, I am committed to doing all that I can
to assist New Mexico during this difficult time. I do support the
proactive response to the effects of drought embodied in policy tools
such as the emergency drought relief program. I will work with the
Bureau of Reclamation to utilize all available authorities to help New
Mexico manage scarce water resources during this drought, including
Reclamation's Water Conservation Field Services Program and Water 2025
initiative.
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
Question 14. Drought and population growth in the western U.S.
require that we make more efficient use of water and develop
technologies to make use of previously impaired or unusable water.
During the 1960s and 1970s, the federal government funded extensive
research in water technology which resulted in reverse osmosis-the
desalination technique most widely used today.
I believe that the federal government should renew its investment
in water treatment technology. Toward this end, I have funded
construction of the Tularosa Basin Desalination Research and
Development Center in New Mexico. The President's budget proposes $5.2
million for Reclamation's desalination research and development (R&D)
programs.
Do you believe that desalination research should be undertaken by
the USBR? If so, how would you coordinate the USBR research with that
being undertaken by other federal agencies?
Answer. The Federal government, including the Bureau of
Reclamation, funds desalination research and should continue to do so
where there is a clear Federal role and the Federal investment
contributes toward improving long-term water management. If confirmed,
I would welcome the opportunity to foster collaboration with other
Federal agencies involved in desalination research to maximize the
effectiveness of our federal investment.
RURAL WATER
Question 15. My staff worked very closely with the staff of the
Department of the Interior on a rural water bill which passed the full
Senate in November of last year. It is my understanding that the House
Resources Committee will hold a hearing on the bill this spring.
What do you believe is the Bureau's role in meeting rural water
supply needs?
Answer. The Bureau of Reclamation can play an important role in
meeting rural water supply needs. It is clear that there is substantial
interest in and need for additional rural water supply in this country.
Given present budget constraints, it will be important that we take a
rational approach to meeting these needs; it may be appropriate for the
Federal government to meet some of that need, but we cannot, nor is it
appropriate, for us to meet all of it. I know that the Department has
been very supportive of these ongoing efforts to enact a formal rural
water program within the Bureau of Reclamation and, if confirmed, I
look forward to continuing to work with you and others in Congress on
this legislation.
U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY
Question 16. Governor Kempthorne, while New Mexico has limited
freshwater supplies, it has significant stores of brackish water
contained in underground aquifers. In order to take advantage of this
resource, I obtained funding for the Tularosa Basin National
Desalination Research Facility where testing and development of
desalination technologies will occur. While the resources contained in
the Tularosa Basin are well understood, there is a general lack of
knowledge regarding the West's brackish water resources.
If confirmed, how would you expand our knowledge of underground
water resources?
Answer. If confirmed, I will support programs that make available
fundamental science information regarding groundwater availability in
the Nation's major aquifer systems.
Question 17. Aquifer re-injection and storage is a promising way to
make more water available to the West. What role do you believe the
USGS should play in investigating the feasibility of aquifer re-
injection and storage?
Answer. I believe USGS expertise could help in efforts to develop
new techniques to characterize underground storage capacities and solve
practical problems in aquifer re-injection.
Question 18a. In general, do you believe that we have an adequate
knowledge of our water resources?
Answer. I believe we need to continue to support scientific
research in partnership with the States, Tribes, and other stakeholders
to gain greater knowledge of our water resources. Water management
decisions will be better made if they are based upon accurate science
about the underlying resource.
THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
Question 18b. The National Park Service is currently revising its
management policies. As Governor of Idaho and former Senator, are you
aware of any problems caused by the existing management policies?
Answer. As I stated during my confirmation hearing, I feel that
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. It is my understanding that the last policy
rewrite was done prior to September 11, 2001, and that these new
proposed policies reflect changes such as security measures for icons,
border security, and management efficiencies. In addition, we must make
sure we work cooperatively with others and have the best management
practices in place to manage parks.
RECREATION FEE ENHANCEMENT ACT
Question 19. In 2004, congress passed the Recreation Fee
Enhancement Act which allows bureaus of the Departments of the Interior
and Agriculture to collect and retain entrance and other user fees.
Did the State of Idaho favor the Recreation Fee Enhancement Act?
Answer. This past session, the Idaho Legislature approved a Joint
Memorial to Congress asking for the repeal of the Federal Lands
Recreation Fee Enhancement Act. In Idaho, Joint Memorials from the
Legislature do not come to the Governor for approval prior to being
transmitted to Congress.
Question 20. In 2004, Congress passed the Recreation Fee
Enhancement Act which allows bureaus of the Departments of the Interior
and Agriculture to collect and retain entrance and other user fees. How
would you amend the Act if given an opportunity to do so?
Answer. As a matter of sound public policy, I am firmly committed
to the proposition that the public should be able to see tangible
benefits resulting from the fees they pay. I am informed that the
Department is working cooperatively with the U.S. Department of
Agriculture to implement the Recreation Fee Enhancement Act. While I am
not familiar with the details of the Act, if confirmed, I look forward
to learning more about the provisions of the recreation fee program and
working with Congress, our involved bureaus, and other interested
entities to ensure effective implementation of the Act.
DONATIONS TO NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
Question 21. The National Park Service currently receives revenue
from federal appropriations, entrance and other recreation fees, and
donations. The NPS has recently revised Director's Order 21 regarding
donations and fundraising.
Under your leadership, who would be allowed to solicit and accept
donations? Do you believe it is appropriate for park superintendents to
solicit donations?
Answer. It is my understanding that Director's Order 21 on
Donations and Fundraising was recently finalized and released on May 1,
2006. I have been advised that the NPS responded to public comments
received on the draft and that the recently released document precludes
NPS employees from soliciting donations. I have been further advised
that the Director has generally delegated the authority to accept
donations below the $1 million level to the deputy, associate and
regional directors and allows them in appropriate circumstances to re-
delegate their authority. If confirmed, I look forward to working with
NPS leadership, Members of Congress, and other interested parties on
this important policy.
INSULAR AFFAIRS
Question 22. On March 1, 2006 the Committee held a hearing on the
economic challenges facing the Territories. While each has challenges,
those confronting American Samoa and the CNMI are particularly
troubling. The Possessions Tax Credit which sustains most of the
American Samoa economy ended this year, and the phase-out of global
textile quotas has put the CNMI's garment industry into steep decline.
The Governor of Samoa and the Resident Representative of the CNMI each
made recommendations for U.S. government responses to these events,
including an extension of the tax credit, reduction in the local
content requirements under the Tariff Schedule, and resolution of the
dispute over cover-over payments.
Can you commit to me that, as Secretary and Chairman of the
Interagency Group on Insular Affairs (ILIA), you will coordinate with
the Treasury Department and other federal agencies to help the
territories to develop the economic strength to meet the needs of our
fellow citizens and nationals who reside in the islands?
Answer. I appreciate your bringing to light issues of importance to
the territories. As you note, if confirmed, I will be the chairman of
the IGIA. As I understand it, the IGIA is an appropriate vehicle for
developing a consensus within the Executive branch on territorial
issues and legislation. Please be assured that I will utilize the IGIA
and will consult with the Treasury Department and other Federal
agencies regarding the economic and financial challenges faced by the
U.S. territories.
Question 23. During the Committee's July 19, 2005 hearing on the
Marshall Islands Nuclear Testing Program, the National Cancer Institute
presented their estimate that up to 532 additional cancers would be
expected among the 1958 population of the Marshall Islands, with most
of these occurring in the northern ten atolls. Can you commit to me
that, in coordination with DOE, HHS, and CDC and appropriate health
representatives of the Republic of the Marshall Islands, you will
provide the Committee with cost estimates for screening and treating of
radiogenic cancers in this population, excluding those currently
covered by the DOE healthcare program?
Answer. This will indeed require interagency cooperation, because
it is my understanding that the Department of the Interior does not
have the in-house expertise to develop these estimates on its own. If
confirmed, I will work with the U.S. Departments of Energy and Health
and Human Services, including the Centers for Disease Control, in
cooperation with officials from the Marshall Islands, as appropriate,
to provide the Committee with cost estimates for screening and the
treatment of radiogenic cancers among the people from those parts of
the Marshall Islands that you have specified are not currently covered
by the health care program of the U.S. Department of Energy.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Thomas
Question 24a. As you know, the State of Wyoming and the Department
of the Interior have been at odds over the management and delisting of
wolves. As the Governor of Idaho, you understand this issue from the
states' perspective. One of the problems has been getting Interior
officials with decision-making authority to come to the state.
Questions:
Will you agree to come to the state to work with Wyoming to resolve
this issue?
Answer. If confirmed, I would welcome the opportunity to work with
my Wyoming neighbors on this issue. As Idaho's Governor, I directed my
staff to go to Cheyenne to meet with Governor Freudenthal's staff and
members of the Wyoming legislature to discuss working together to
resolve this issue and to gain a better understanding of Wyoming's
perspective on wolf management. I have an excellent working
relationship with you, members of the Wyoming delegation, and Governor
Freudenthal, and expect that it will continue into the future.
Question 24b. What do you think can be done at Interior to move
toward delisting?
Answer. I can pledge that, if I am confirmed, the Department will
invest the same understanding and creativity to solve this problem that
we will ask of the good people of Wyoming. I know the importance of
cooperating with states to resolve species issues and am a strong
believer in providing management of species to the states. I also have
wrestled with and resolved the issue of ``adequate regulatory
mechanisms'' surrounding wolf management and delisting the species in
the West. I remain committed to work with the Governors of Montana and
Wyoming, as well as the Great Lake States on this issue.
Question 25. Many endangered species should be removed from the
endangered species list--wolf, grizzly bear, Preble's meadow jumping
mouse, and others. However the process seems to drag on forever and not
get anywhere. What can be done to streamline the delisting process?
Answer. In my experience, the single greatest impediment to
achieving final resolution on almost all Endangered Species Act issues
is litigation. Most issues face litigation from opposing points of
view, which results in long periods of time being used in the courts to
find resolution while redirecting resources away from important species
recovery and conservation activities. I believe finding solutions to
these litigation challenges will require both administrative
streamlining and a legislative remedy.
If confirmed, I will work to improve the delisting process as well
as other aspects of the Endangered Species Act.
Question 26. I believe strongly that the Endangered Species Act
needs to be updated to improve the listing and delisting processes,
improve science requirements, and other things. What reforms to the ESA
would you suggest, and will you stay committed to reforming the ESA as
Secretary?
Answer. The goals of the ESA, namely, the recovery of threatened
and listed species, is truly laudable. As the Governor of Idaho, I have
been committed to the idea that wildlife management programs are most
effective when they are based on sound science. I worked with
stakeholders and partners to build conservation efforts which led to
real, on-the-ground conservation and habitat improvement projects.
While I served in the United States Senate, I led an effort to
bring needed improvements to the ESA. I concentrated on building a
strong, bipartisan coalition that focused on strengthening conservation
by encouraging greater cooperation with landowners. If confirmed as
Secretary, I will continue that effort and the progress I have made as
governor to make the ESA more focused on avoiding listing in the first
instance and then more conducive to recovering the species.
If confirmed as the Secretary of the Interior, I commit to working
with the Senate and House to update and improve the Endangered Species
Act.
Question 27. Over half of Wyoming is owned by the federal
government--and most of the federal land is managed by Interior. While
some areas such as National Parks and wilderness areas need special
protections, most areas should be managed for multiple uses--including
grazing, energy development, timber production, and recreation. I would
like a strong commitment from you that you will work to manage our
public lands for multiple use and sustained yield as mandated by FLPMA.
Answer. If confirmed, you have my commitment that I will work to
manage the public lands for multiple use and sustained yield as
mandated by FLPMA.
Question 28. The National Park Service is currently responsible for
390 national park sites. This represents 85 million acres of land in 49
states. As the number of sites continues to grow, resources are
increasingly stretched thin. With that in mind, what is your long term
vision for the NPS? What are your plans to address the maintenance
backlog?
Answer. I would like to see the National Park System, with its many
natural, cultural, and historic treasures, continue to be the source of
great pride for our Nation that it has been ever since the first
national parks were established. For that to continue, we need to
maintain effective and efficient operation and maintenance of parks.
With appropriations totaling nearly $4.7 billion and the completion of
nearly 6000 facilities improvement, as well as the completion of a
first-ever comprehensive condition assessment of NPS facilities, the
Administration has made a good deal of progress in addressing the
maintenance backlog during the last five years, and I would like to see
that progress continued.
Question 29. Do you believe in the historic mission of the National
Park Service, that when a conflict exists between visitor enjoyment and
preservation in our national parks, that preservation should be
predominant?
Answer. I have been made aware of correspondence on the NPS
Management Policies from Secretary Norton to Congress in which she
stated her position that, ``when there is a conflict between protection
of resources and use, conservation will be predominant,'' and I agree
with that position.
Question 30. As you know, the NPS management policy rewrite has
been very controversial. One of the reasons articulated for the NPS
management policy rewrite is the increasing demand for recreational
uses on public lands. Do you think there is an opportunity for states
and other agencies to play a larger role in meeting that demand? What
type of shifts would need to be made?
Answer. Yes, I do think there is an opportunity for states and
other agencies to play a larger role. With a growing population, it is
not only fitting, but necessary, for every level of government to do
what it can to provide suitable opportunities for outdoor recreation.
Question 31. I was appreciative of NPS' willingness to extend the
original public comment period on the management policies. I have not
heard any confirmation that a future draft will be published for public
comment. In the spirit of continuing to work closely with the public
and this Committee, and to show sunshine on the process, will you
commit to publishing any future draft for a formal public comment
period?
Answer. I have learned that the National Park Service received more
than 45,000 comments on the draft that underwent public review for more
than four months. If confirmed, I look forward to working with NPS,
you, and other members of the Committee as we work through this
process.
Question 32. As someone who has worked for years to secure adequate
funding for the NPS, I am interested in knowing how much the management
policy rewrite proposal has cost the Department of Interior thus far,
and what the expected costs are for the future?
Answer. I am not aware of what the incurred and expected costs of
the management policy rewrite are to date, but, if confirmed, I would
be happy to get back to you with that information.
Question 33a. In 2004, congress passed the Federal Lands Recreation
Enhancement Act which allows bureaus of the Departments of Interior and
Agriculture to collect and retain entrance and other user fees. The law
also establishes the ``America the Beautiful Pass'' as an annual
nationwide public land use pass.
Did the State of Idaho favor the Federal Lands Recreation
Enhancement Act?
Answer. This past session, the Idaho Legislature approved a Joint
Memorial to Congress asking for the repeal of the Federal Lands
Recreation Fee Enhancement Act. In Idaho, Joint Memorials from the
Legislature do not come to the Governor for approval prior to being
transmitted to Congress.
Question 33b. How would you amend the Act if given an opportunity
to do so?
Answer. As a matter of sound public policy, I am firmly committed
to the proposition that the public should be able to see tangible
benefits resulting from the fees they pay. My understanding is that the
Department is working cooperatively with the U.S. Department of
Agriculture to implement the Recreation Fee Enhancement Act. While I am
not familiar with the details of the Act, if confirmed, I look forward
to learning more about the provisions of the recreation fee program and
working with Congress, our involved bureaus, and other interested
entities to ensure effective implementation of the Act.
Question 33c. What is the status of the ``America the Beautiful
Pass'' and will it be marketed under that or some other name?
Answer. My understanding is that the Department is working
cooperatively with the U.S. Department of Agriculture to implement all
aspects of the Recreation Fee Enhancement Act, including the
establishment of the interagency pass. I understand that the
interagency pass is tentatively scheduled to be introduced in December
2006.
Question 34. The National Park Service currently receives revenue
from federal appropriations, entrance and other recreation fees, and
donations. The NPS has recently revised Director's Order 21 regarding
donations and fundraising. Under your leadership, who should be allowed
to solicit and accept donations? Is it appropriate for park
superintendents to solicit donations?
Answer. It is my understanding that Director's Order 21 on
Donations and Fundraising was recently finalized and released on May 1,
2006. I have been advised that the NPS responded to public comments
received on the draft and that the recently released document precludes
NPS employees from soliciting donations. I have been further advised
that the Director has generally delegated the authority to accept
donations below the $1 million level to the deputy, associate and
regional directors and allows them in appropriate circumstances to re-
delegate their authority. If confirmed, I look forward to working with
NPS leadership, members of Congress, and other interested parties on
these important policies.
Question 35a. The National Mall in Washington DC is a place to
honor individuals and events that shaped the nation. Each year congress
receives requests for more memorials and museums on the Mall. In 2003,
Congress passed a moratorium on future construction within the core
area of the Mall called the Reserve.
What would you consider the best means of managing development in
and around the National Mall?
Answer. As I mentioned at the hearing, I am not familiar with the
moratorium, but I have been advised that the National Park Service has
begun a comprehensive management plan for the National Mall. If
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about this important issue.
Question 35b. In 2005, the National Park Service mentioned its
intent to prepare a General Management Plan for the National Mall. What
is the status of the plan and when can we expect to see a draft for
public review and comment?
Answer. I am told that the National Park Service is just initiating
this planning effort, and that the plan will take approximately two-
three years to complete.
Question 36. As you know, the issue of Indian gambling has come
under increased scrutiny. I am concerned about so-called ``off
reservation gaming'' and ``reservation shopping'' that allow tribes to
open Class III casinos, despite opposition from local voters, in areas
that otherwise prohibit gambling. What is your position on off
reservation gambling and reservation shopping? What changes do you
believe are necessary to protect local communities?
Answer. I do not support reservation shopping, but if I am
confirmed, the Department will continue to implement the provisions of
Section 20 of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act that permit off
reservation gaming. I believe it is important that the views and
concerns of governors and local citizens be heard and considered in
these matters.
It is my understanding that the Department is in the process of
developing regulations to implement Section 20 of the Indian Gaming
Regulatory Act. If confirmed, I will work to ensure that these
regulations protect the interest of local communities.
Question 37. I continue to hear of lengthy delays in the Bureau of
Land Management's review of proposed energy projects in my state. Many
of these projects have the potential to deliver substantial energy
resources to meet our nation's growing demand. At a time when we see
increased energy prices and turmoil in foreign supply, I'm sure you
will agree with me that it is essential we produce as much energy
domestically as possible. It was our intention to speed up the
processing of oil and natural gas projects with the program established
under Section 365 of the 2005 Energy Policy Act. More people have been
hired as result of this program to expedite the permit application
process, but we continue to hear examples of lengthy--and what appear
to me to be unreasonable--permitting delays.
Could I get your commitment that you will work with me and our
delegation to speed up the processing of these important energy
projects?
Answer. If I am confirmed as Secretary, you have my full commitment
to continue to streamline the processing of oil and gas permitting in
order to meet our nation's energy demand, and the BLM will continue
with the progress it is making in implementing the Energy Policy Act.
Question 38. I've been talking a lot recently with the Forest
Service about their leasing activities in the Wyoming Range. Under
several Federal laws, it is mandated that the Forest Service conduct
lease sales in the Bridger-Teton National Forest. I am a strong
advocate of multiple uses on Federal land, but some of these areas
warrant protection. The Wyoming Range is one of those areas. I worked
with others on this issue, and was able to reduce the amount of acreage
offered up for lease sale from 175,000 acres to 44,600. What is your
reaction to drawing a line, so to speak, to say that there should be no
more leasing or development in certain areas?
Will you commit to working on this issue with me so that the Forest
Service can focus on more pressing issues and these areas can be
protected from future development?
Answer. I, too, am a strong advocate of multiple use on Federal
land, and I agree that some Federal land areas warrant special
protection. If confirmed, I will work to ensure that the Department of
the Interior works with the Forest Service, communities, local
officials, interested citizens, and industry stakeholders.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Murkowski
GAS HYDRATES
Question 39. The Administration this year actually increased
funding for research into development of gas hydrates nationwide and in
Alaska. I certainly support that $2 million increase in your budget and
hope you will be able to spend that $500,000 proposed for additional
research in gas hydrate research in Alaska. Still $5 million of
spending is $10 million less than authorized by Congress in the Energy
Policy Act last summer and is a fraction of the funding authorized for
the next four years to attempt to prove the commercial potential of gas
hydrate production. What can you tell us about the Department's and
your personal commitment to expanded funding for gas hydrate research
in future years?
Answer. I am advised that the Department is committed to studying
gas hydrate resources in an effort to determine whether they can become
a viable resource, both from a safety standpoint and from a Federal
leasing perspective. It is my understanding that agencies within the
Department, especially USGS and MMS, have long studied hydrates and
these agencies, along with BLM and the Department of Energy, are
continuing the study of this potentially vast energy resource.
TRIBAL TRANSPORTATION
Question 40. The complaint I hear most frequently from Alaska
tribes about the Bureau of Indian Affairs involves the Indian
Reservation Roads program. The problem is twofold--Alaska is
shortchanged on its rightful share of funding because BIA has never
included eligible road miles in its inventory. When the villages submit
their inventory revisions to BIA they are rejected time and time
again--it seems like the rules on what is satisfactory keep changing.
And finally, when money is allocated to our villages, it is difficult
for them to access the money for their projects so much of it remains
unspent at the end of each fiscal year. I asked your predecessor to
work with me on improving the performance of the Indian Reservation
Roads program as it affects Alaska at this year's budget hearings. Will
you work with me to fix these problems?
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, I will work with you to improve the
performance of the Indian Reservation Roads program to ensure it more
fully considers the needs of Alaska Native groups.
ALASKA LAND TRANSFER ACCELERATION ACT
Question 41. In 2004, Congress enacted this legislation with the
objective of transferring the remainder of Alaska's 104 million
entitlement to the State by the 50th anniversary of statehood. Alaska
has patent to 90 million acres out of the 104 million. The legislation
also envisions transfer of the remaining entitlement of Alaska Native
Corporation and Native allotment lands by that date. Unfortunately
appropriations have not kept pace with the challenge and this year--
once again--the President's budget proposes to DECELERATE the effort
and we will be fighting to restore these funds. Moreover, there is no
evidence that the pace of land transfers have quickened since the Act
became law. What can be done to quicken the pace of this effort and
give the people of Alaska the land for which they have been waiting?
Answer. I am told that the Alaska Land Transfer Acceleration Act
provided important tools to facilitate completion of land transfers to
the State of Alaska, Alaska Native Corporations, and Alaska Natives by
2009. If confirmed, I look forward to working with the BLM in Alaska
and with the Alaska Congressional delegation on this issue.
FALLS CREEK HYDROELECTRIC
Question 42. A private business has long been interested in
bringing hydroelectric power to Glacier Bay National Park. Recently,
the National Park Service and the State of Alaska have concluded a land
exchange that will make the Falls Creek Hydroelectric project possible.
The National Park Service has a unique opportunity to improve air
quality in Glacier Bay National Park by entering into a long term power
purchase arrangement with the sponsors of the Falls Creek Hydroelectric
project. Use of hydro power would reduce or eliminate Glacier Bay
National Park's reliance on diesel. I am wondering whether you will
work with the Park Service to obtain the necessary funding to make this
innovative alternative energy project a reality?
Answer. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, and I look
forward to learning more about this issue and working with you on it if
I am confirmed.
TERRITORIES/INSULAR AFFAIRS
Question 43. Republic of Marshall Islands: Your predecessor last
year attempted to convince the State Department top provide greater
assistance to the Republic of Marshall Islands to provide assistance to
residents affected by American nuclear testing in the Marshalls during
the Cold War. There was a meeting held at Interior last year where
President Note presented a specific list of Marshall concerns but there
has been little response and no real follow up since. Coming from
Alaska where my citizens are still affected by the aftermath of nuclear
testing at Amchitka Island--and Alaska had only 3 bomb tests, compared
to 57 at the Marshalls--I tend to be very sympathetic to the blight of
the Marshallese. If confirmed would you commit to making a renewed
effort to schedule follow up meetings and getting other federal
agencies, including the State Department, more involved in efforts to
meet our moral and perhaps legal obligations to the Marshall Islands?
Answer. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If confirmed,
I will make sure that I am fully briefed on the Department of the
Interior's participation in the process that you describe. Although it
would be premature for me to commit to any specific process or
substantive policy at this point, I will, if confirmed, make sure that
the Department of the Interior is responsive on these issues to the
extent that they are within the Department's domain.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Martinez
Question 44. Last week, the South Florida Water Management District
released a troubling report on the damage to the structural integrity
of the Herbert Hoover Dike that prevents Lake Okeechobee from flooding
south Florida. According to the report, there is a one in six chance in
any given year that the dike could fail. A catastrophic failure of the
dike would result in the flooding of thousands of homes, farm land, and
would cripple the drinking water systems of south Florida.
I realize that this is an issue that falls under the jurisdiction
of the Army Corps of Engineers, but I am also concerned with the
environmental impacts a catastrophic failure would have on the progress
the state has made on Everglades restoration and the enormous federal
investment that has been on rehabilitating this ecological treasure. As
the head of DOI, would you make the structural integrity of the Herbert
Hoover Dike a priority and would you communicate these concerns to the
Corps?
Answer. If confirmed, I would work with my colleagues in the
Department of Army to communicate concerns about the structural
integrity of the Herbert Hoover Dike and the importance of the dike in
ensuring the continued preservation of the ecological integrity of the
Everglades.
Question 45. I have some serious concerns with the Draft Proposed
Program for oil and gas leasing in the OCS off the coast of Florida
(2007-2012). This proposed plan opens up huge areas of the eastern Gulf
of Mexico, which will bring oil and gas rigs closer to Florida's
beaches and will encroach on our critical military training. There is
no timetable given by MMS as to when this increased expansion will end
and what is also troubling was that Florida was not considered an
``affected'' state in the original notice of the Draft Five Year Plan.
When millions of acres of the Outer Continental Shelf are
recommended to be opened 100 miles from Florida, in areas of the Gulf
that were previously off-limits, it seems to turn logic on its head
that Florida is not an ``affected'' state.
Governor Kempthorne, my hope that if you are confirmed, will you
reach out to states and officials that do not want oil and gas
operations on their shores?
Answer. If confirmed, I will reach out to States and all
stakeholders, whether they support or oppose the Draft OCS Leasing
Proposal. Such consultation is a central component to the
Administration's approach.
Question 46. I am encouraged that MMS continued to protect the
``Stovepipe'' area off the coast of northwest Florida through 2012 in
the Draft 5 Year Program.
This sensitive area near Pensacola is on the frontline of oil and
gas leasing in the central Gulf of Mexico and without this protection,
production could occur less than 20 miles from our coast. I am glad
that MMS has honored this commitment given to me by Secretary Norton.
As the new Secretary of Interior, are you willing to keep this
commitment as well and prevent leasing in sensitive areas off the coast
of Florida?
Answer. If confirmed, I will certainly honor Secretary Norton's
commitment to you as stated in her letter to you dated March 16, 2005.
Question 47. As Secretary, what assurances can you provide that
areas in addition to Sale 181, in fact much closer to sensitive
shoreline resources in Florida than Sale 181, will not also be offered
for lease in the upcoming Five-Year OCS Leasing Program?
Answer. If confirmed, I will certainly honor Secretary Norton's
commitment to you on March 16, 2005. I have been informed that there
are no additional leases beyond contemplated offered in the draft
proposed five-year plan.
Question 48. Governor Kempthorne, last month I visited Everglades
National Park, Big Cypress National Preserve, and Ten Thousand Islands
National Wildlife Reserve. I am looking forward to getting you down
there to tour this amazing part of Florida. As you know, the
Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan (CERP) is the most ambitious
public works project in our nation's history and our most challenging.
Should you be confirmed, will you continue the commitment and
prioritization at DOI with restoring the Everglades to its historic
sheet flow?
Answer. If confirmed, I will continue to make it a priority of the
Department to restore the Everglades to its historic sheet flow.
Question 49. Governor Kempthorne, as you are aware, there has been
significant media attention on ``royalty forgiveness'' from a mistake
leasing deal during the Clinton Administration. Essentially, price
thresholds were not put on leases that would require oil companies to
pay royalties when the companies were making substantial profits.
How many of the OCS tracts to be offered under Draft Proposed Plan
in the Lease Sale 181 area will be subject to MMS ``royalty
forgiveness'' of various kinds?
Answer. It is my understanding that, except where specified in law
or regulation, the royalty terms and conditions for proposed leases are
determined in the process leading up to each individual lease sale. If
confirmed, I will be committed to ensuring that there are appropriate
price thresholds as allowed by law.
Question 50. In October, I joined with several of my Senate
colleagues including Senator Alexander, expressing our concern with the
pace of the re-write of management policies for our National Parks.
Considering that the management policies of the NPS have been rewritten
under the Reagan and most recently the Clinton Administration, do you
feel that it is time that these policies be changed?
Answer. As I mentioned during the hearing, I do feel that periodic
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. It is my understanding that the last policy
rewrite was done prior to September 11, 2001, and that these new
proposed policies reflect changes such as security measures for icons,
border security, and management efficiencies. While I am not familiar
with the details of the NPS Management Policies, if confirmed, I look
forward to learning more about this very important matter.
Question 51. Several of my constituents have raised concerns with
sale of public land to meet budget shortfalls. The Administration, for
example, has recommended the sale of nearly 1,000 acres of the Ocala
National Forest in Florida to help pay for the shortfall in a rural
schools program.
Given your experience as a Western Governor, a state where the
federal government is often the largest property owner in your
counties, how can we overcome this challenge?
Answer. As I stated at my confirmation hearing, I do not support
the sale of public land when the purpose of such sales is purely for
deficit reduction or to cover operating expenses. However, I feel that
there are times when the sale of public lands is in the best interest
of the taxpayer, if those lands do not have resource values and are
isolated and are either difficult or uneconomic to manage. The growing
fiscal challenges faced by rural communities are something I take very
seriously. If confirmed, I will look forward to working with you and
other Member of Congress in finding ways to address this growing
challenge.
If confirmed, I will direct staff to inform the U.S. Forest
Service, which is part of the Department of Agriculture, of your
concerns about the Ocala National Forest.
Response of Governor Kempthorne to Question From Senator Burns
Question 52. The upper third of the Big Hole River is home to the
last remaining native fluvial population of Arctic grayling in the
lower 48 states. In 2004, the Fish and Wildlife Service elevated the
status of grayling under the Endangered Species Act to the highest
priority a species can have short of actual listing. Such a listing
would result in costs to ranching communities in the area. Last year,
the Fish and Wildlife Service completed a Candidate Conservation
Agreement with Assurances (CCAA) whereby landowners agree to voluntary
site-specific restoration projects to attempt to address all of the
threats to grayling. The cost of implementing the projects necessary to
restore the upper basin is huge (approximately $11 million total). Will
you include funding for the Big Hole River Grayling Restoration Project
in your FY 2008 budget request?
Answer. If confirmed, I look forward to engaging in the FY 08
budget process. Assisting in formulating the President's budget request
will require careful decisions regarding the best use of our resources.
I will take funding for the Big Hole River Grayling Restoration Project
under consideration when formulating the Department of the Interior's
FY 08 budget request.
Response of Governor Kempthorne to Question From Senator Allen
Question 53. Recently I introduced legislation establishing the
Journey Through Hallowed Ground National Heritage Area, to preserve the
heritage of the Route 15 corridor from the Charlottesville area in
Virginia up through Maryland and Pennsylvania to Gettysburg. This area
includes six presidential homes, thirteen locations on the National
Historic Landmark Register, two World Heritage Sites, forty-seven
historic districts and the largest collection of Civil War
battlefields. The hundred and seventy-five mile corridor runs through
ten counties in Virginia and through a region that includes the
greatest concentration of Rural Historic Districts in the US, sites
from colonial times, and four National Parks. As a student of history I
believe that it is important that we preserve our national heritage for
our children, even as we continue to grow and compete in the world
economy. As Secretary of the Interior what role will you take in
preserving our heritage for the next generation?
Answer. The National Park Service is entrusted with the
responsibility of protecting many of our nation's natural, cultural and
historic resources for future generations. I share that vision and
passion, and if confirmed, will work with the National Park Service and
others to preserve our national heritage.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Smith
Question 54. The federal court decision asserted that grazing in
Wild and Scenic river corridors must ``protect and enhance'' biological
resources in the area. However. the decision disregarded the fact that
grazing existed long before the Wild and Scenic designation. It also
disregarded the fact that Congress intended grazing to continue in the
area. This decision has the potential to seriously impede grazing
management across the West. Will you review the impacts of this
decision and work with Congress to remedy it if needed?
Answer. I have been informed that the issue of grazing in the
Owyhee Wild and Scenic River corridor has been adjudicated in the
Courts. If confirmed, as appropriate, I will be happy to review the
details of this case and discuss this further with you.
Question 55. I wish to thank this Administration for the
$13,000,000 FY 07 budget request for the Savage Rapids Dam pumping
plant and dam removal project. I have worked hard with my colleague
from Oregon and this Administration to advance this project, and I look
forward to working with you and the new Commissioner of the Bureau of
Reclamation to complete it as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I remain deeply concerned about delays and cost increases as the
Bureau moves toward awarding a contract this summer. I hope that you
can assure me and this Committee that there will be no more delays in
this project. I also expect the Bureau to redouble its efforts to
reduce and contain project costs.
What is the Bureau's full capability to expend resources on this
project in FY 07? What is the estimated cost of continuing the project
in FY 08?
Answer. I am informed by the Bureau of Reclamation that the
$13,000,000 FY 07 budget request represents the amount that they have
the capability to expend on this project. I appreciate this project's
importance to you and, if confirmed, I will work to ensure that
progress continues.
Question 56. In my State of Oregon, there is a collaborative effort
underway with great promise to resolve conflicts in a region identified
by the Department of Interior's Water 2025 Program as an area likely to
experience future conflict. This effort includes the State of Oregon,
the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation and Westland
Irrigation District.
As Idaho's Governor and Senator, you have likely heard of the
success of the Umatilla Basin Project Act (P.L. 100-557) passed in 1988
which, through a bucket for bucket exchange of irrigation district
water from the Umatilla River for Columbia River water, has restored
salmon and steelhead to the Umatilla River. Salmon runs were once
extinct in this river, and now their runs exceed 20,000 fish per year--
all due to this legislation. Phase III would provide the same exchange
for the largest and last district contemplated by the legislation,
Westland Irrigation District. Its exchange could provide as much water
for salmon and steelhead as the entire legislation has already
accomplished, and possibly for the consumptive needs of the
Confederated Tribes.
Regional water supply certainty is their goal. And the first steps
in accomplishing this goal requires the Bureau of Reclamation to
accelerate their Phase III engineering study for the Westland exchange
and for the Department of Interior to appoint an Indian Water Rights
Assessment Team to assess the claims of the Confederated Tribes.
Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski, Tribal Chairman Antone Minthorn and
Westland Chairman Robert Levy have written former Secretary Norton
calling for Reclamation to complete its study and for the appointment
of an Assessment Team. I have cosigned a letter to Acting Secretary
Lynn Scarlett on this subject, urging her to support these requests.
Will the Interior Department, under your leadership, support the
efforts of the State of Oregon, the Confederated Tribes and Westland
Irrigation District as they bring consensus and innovative solutions to
their water needs to the federal government?
Answer. As Governor of Idaho I have had first hand experience with
an innovative, consensus-based water agreement--the Snake River Water
Rights Act of 2004. I have not had an opportunity to review the various
water issues facing the Umatilla Basin, but, if confirmed, I am
interested in learning more about them and working with affected
stakeholders to identify workable solutions.
Question 57. I am supportive of the Department's efforts to acquire
the Barnes Ranch Property adjacent to Agency Lake in Oregon, contingent
on the written assurances I received from the Department of the
Interior (in response to questions for the record from Deputy Secretary
Scarlett's nomination hearing) as to how additional water stored on the
property would be managed. Can you tell me whether the Department
intends to hydrologically reconnect these lands, and the adjacent
Agency Ranch property lands, to Agency Lake? If not, what are the
anticipated operations and maintenance costs (i.e. pumping costs) for
inundating these lands each year? Can you tell me the status of
interagency discussions about the integrated management of these
properties and other adjacent federal properties? What is the
Department doing to lower Reclamation's annual reimbursable operations
and maintenance costs attributable to power for the Klamath Project?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of the property
acquisition and the subsequent operation of the properties, nor the
status of efforts to lower costs attributable to the project. However,
if confirmed I will ensure that the agencies within the Department of
the Interior work cooperatively and communicate with you to meet the
needs of the farmers, fish, commercial fishermen, tribes, wildlife
refuges, and other needs of the environment in a fiscally responsible
manner.
Question 58. In the ``O&C'' lands, which is a checkerboard land
ownership pattern managed by the Bureau of Land Management in western
Oregon, there is an old problem with road access. The BLM enjoys
recordable easements across private property, while private property
owners only possess a ``right of way'' across BLM property. BLM
apparently lacks the statutory authority to grant recordable easements.
This creates problems both in the sale of private land and the
transference of access rights, as well as the possibility of ESA
consultation on the granting of access to private lands for the
purposes of cutting timber.
Will you review this situation and work with Congress to determine
in legislation is necessary to remedy the concern of private property
owners within the O&C lands?
Answer. I have not had an opportunity to review the access issues
of concern to your constituents in the area of the O&C, but, if
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about their concerns. I
would welcome the opportunity to work with the Congress to determine an
appropriate resolution.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Bingaman
PRIORITIES
Question 59. The Department's FY 2007 budget request called for
large funding increases for energy production, but significant funding
cuts for federal land acquisition, for park maintenance and
construction, and for state grants under the Land and Water
Conservation Fund. Do you think your predecessor's budget request
reflects the right balance between the Department's energy production
and conservation missions or will you try to strike a better one?
Answer. It is my understanding that lands administered by the
Department provide 30 percent of America's current domestic energy
supply. Continued environmentally responsible development of both
renewable and nonrenewable sources on public lands is critical to
increasing and diversifying domestic energy production. If confirmed,
as I move forward to develop my proposals to the President for the FY
2008 budget, I will strive to achieve a balance among the various
missions of the Department.
R.S. 2477
Question 60a. We spoke shortly after the President's announced your
nominations about Secretary Norton's ill-advised policy on R.S. 2477
right-of-way claims. I continue to have serious concerns about the new
policy and its potential for validating doubtful and unmerited claims,
for permitting states and counties to turn footpaths into highways, and
for harming national parks and monuments. I am also troubled by the
degree to which the new policy departs not only from the longstanding
policy adopted by the previous Administration, but also the one
articulated by then-Assistant Secretary Scarlett in her letter to Rep.
Charles Taylor three years ago. Questions:
Will you commit to not recognize R.S. 2477 claims under the new
policy until you have had a opportunity to review it personally and to
consult with the Committee about its implications?
Answer. I am generally aware of the new Departmental policy on R.S.
2477 claims and, if confirmed, I will certainly become more familiar
with the details of that policy and how it is being implemented. I look
forward to further discussing this issue with you and members of the
Committee.
Question 60b. In particular, will you work with us on a protocol
that will give Members of Congress and the interested public adequate
notice and a meaningful opportunity to comment before the Department
recognizes claims under the policy?
Answer. Communication with Members of Congress and the interested
public is important, and if confirmed, I would be interested in
ensuring that opportunities for notice and comment are appropriately
provided.
SCIENTIFIC INTEGRITY
Question 61. Over the past several years, there have been several
reports that scientific studies of the Fish and Wildlife Service have
been manipulated, suppressed, or disregarded. Will you look into these
allegations and take steps to protect the integrity of the scientific
work of the Department?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work with the Director of the Fish and
Wildlife Service to keep scientific integrity at the forefront of all
Service activities.
GRAZING
Question 62. The Bureau of Land Management's proposed grazing
regulations would significantly limit public involvement in many
grazing activities and management activities, including the elimination
of public involvement in decisions involving grazing use levels,
issuing or renewing grazing permits, or modifying the terms of a
permit. Do you believe that public involvement needs to be curtailed in
BLM grazing decisions? If so, why?
Answer. I believe that engaging the public is an integral part of
the public land management decision-making process. Grazing management
on the public lands is no exception. I am informed that several
opportunities for public comment and participation will remain under
BLM's proposed grazing regulations, such as through the land use
planning process and subsequent NEPA documentation. If confirmed, I
will support continued public participation in the development of our
important land management decisions.
COALBED METHANE STUDY
Question 63. Section 1811 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 requires
the Department to enter into an arrangement with the National Academy
of Sciences to undertake a report relating to water and coalbed methane
production. The NAS report is due back to the Secretary and the
Administrator of EPA within 12 months after the date of enactment of
EPACT, and the Secretary and the Administrator are to report to
Congress within six months after receipt of the NAS report. Can you
provide me a time-line for carrying out this provision of the law?
Answer. I am informed that the Director of the Bureau of Land
Management wrote the NAS on April 24, 2006 with regard to this report
to suggest an arrangement that could result in a report in the
requisite time period. The BLM identified a number of studies that have
already been undertaken and asked the NAS to review them and determine
``if significant deficiencies exist or if other information may be
critically needed to address the concerns expressed by Congress in the
Act (EPACT).'' BLM is awaiting the NAS reply to determine the nature
and extent of the arrangement needed to be responsive to this provision
of the law.
OCS ROYALTY COLLECTIONS
Question 64a. I am concerned about reported undercollections of
royalties in deep water on the OCS.
As I mentioned to you, on March 28, 2006, I wrote to former
Secretary Gale Norton to inquire about what the Department plans to do
to address this problem. When do you anticipate that I will receive a
response?
Answer. I have been informed by the Minerals Management Service
(MMS) that the response to your letter is a high priority for the
Department and you will receive it in the near future.
Question 64b. Would you support an effort to recoup these royalty
underpayments in an appropriate manner?
Answer. I have been informed by MMS that the issue with deep water
leases is not one of underpayments, but rather one of companies acting
consistently with the terms of their lease contracts, which in 1998 and
1999 lacked a provision that suspends royalty incentives when prices
are high. If confirmed, I would be happy to consider any appropriate
proposal concerning these lease contracts.
Question 64c. Along with many of my colleagues, I have requested
that GAO look into several aspects of the royalty management program at
the Department to ensure that the American public is getting a fair
return on its oil and gas resources. I also understand that the
Department's Inspector General is investigating aspects of this matter.
Do I have your commitment that Departmental personnel will fully
cooperate with GAO and the IG in this effort?
Answer. I have been informed that the Department has been fully
cooperative with GAO and the Inspector General, as well as with
investigations of various Congressional Committees. If confirmed, I
assure you that the Department will continue to fully cooperate.
OIL & GAS LEASING
Question 65a. How many acres of lands administered by the Forest
Service and the BLM in states west of the hundredth meridian are
currently under oil and gas lease? Please display by state and agency.
Answer. I have received the following information from the BLM:
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BLM Forest Service
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State Number Number
of Number of of Number of
leases acres leases acres
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Alaska........................ 339 2,757,762 0 0
Arizona....................... 47 97,353 0 0
California.................... 552 285,655 14 4,185
Colorado...................... 4,393 3,818,207 440 446,204
Idaho......................... 3 2,465 0 0
Kansas........................ 45 13,555 291 63,452
Montana....................... 3,001 2,850,939 627 1,208,159
Nebraska...................... 2 240 0 0
Nevada........................ 1,702 3,521,078 14 45,710
New Mexico.................... 7,574 4,645,587 237 215,535
North Dakota.................. 283 106,342 1,253 724,365
Oklahoma...................... 747 93,614 191 80,277
Oregon........................ 17 30,709 8 27,288
South Dakota.................. 134 122,635 20 11,510
Texas......................... 10 2,235 465 357,553
Utah.......................... 2,949 3,356,886 337 648,376
Washington.................... 346 510,160 0 0
Wyoming....................... 16,476 12,462,729 628 416,268
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Total....................... 38,620 34,678,151 4,525 4,248,882
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Question 65b. How much acreage is under lease but not producing?
Answer. I have received the following information from the BLM:
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Non-
Producing producing
State acres acres
leased
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Alaska.......................................... 67,350 2,690,412
Arizona......................................... 0 97,353
California...................................... 72,992 216,848
Colorado........................................ 1,380,569 2,883,842
Idaho........................................... 0 2,465
Kansas.......................................... 109,649 10,550
Montana......................................... 757,679 3,301,419
Nebraska........................................ 6,877 9,303
Nevada.......................................... 23,954 3,542,834
New Mexico...................................... 4,093,422 767,700
North Dakota.................................... 311,565 519,142
Oklahoma........................................ 112,136 61,755
Oregon.......................................... 0 57,997
South Dakota.................................... 33,377 100,768
Texas........................................... 114,229 245,559
Utah............................................ 950,355 3,054,907
Washington...................................... 0 510,160
Wyoming......................................... 4,109, 529 8,769,468
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Total......................................... 12,143,682 26,799,291
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Question 65c. What are the reasons for this?
Answer. I am told that there are a number of factors that could
affect whether a lease is developed and how quickly it is developed.
These include oil and gas market factors, whether a discovery of oil or
gas is made in initial drilling, availability of drilling rigs,
equipment and pipeline hookups, and delays because of litigation, among
others.
Question 65d. What are the estimated reserves under lands leased
but not producing?
Answer. Providing a sufficient answer to this question would
require developing a work plan with a contractor that would extract the
necessary data set to calculate reserve numbers in these non-producing
leased lands.
Question 65e. Please provide this same information for Federal
submerged lands on the OCS that are leased but not producing.
Answer. On the OCS, MMS reports that 40 million acres are under
lease, of which about 7 million acres are currently producing leases.
Once a lease is issued, it cannot go into production immediately.
Companies need time to explore the acreage, and depending on what they
find, make corporate decisions as to whether to proceed with
development. Proposed exploration and development activities may
undergo substantial regulatory review as well. All leases have a fixed
term requiring that a company return the lease to the government if
they have not begun exploration or development activities on the lease.
HYDO-ELECTRICITY
Question 66a. Section 241 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 provides
new procedures for hydroelectric relicensing proceedings. These include
an opportunity for an on-the-record ``trial-type'' hearing relating to
any issues of material fact with regard to a condition under section
4(e) of the Federal Power Act or a prescription under section 18 of the
FPA. In addition, the EPACT provision requires that the Secretary of
the Interior adopt alternative conditions and prescriptions proposed by
parties to the relicensing proceeding if the conditions and
prescriptions meet certain standards. I have been concerned that rather
than simplifying the relicensing process, these new provisions may
result in complications and delay and undermine protections for federal
and tribal resources. Questions:
How many hearings is the Department anticipating as a result of
these new requirements?
Answer. I have been informed that the Department has received
approximately seven hearing requests. However, five are for projects in
which the licensing process was well under way prior to enactment of
the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and only two concern projects for which
conditions or prescriptions were proposed after enactment. The
Department believes that while it is difficult to predict future
requests, the number of hearings will ultimately be small in total on
an annual basis.
Question 66b. Will you take steps to ensure that the Department and
the resource agencies involved have adequate resources to conduct and
participate in these hearings?
Answer. If confirmed, I will be committed to successfully
implementing the new process.
Question 66c. Will you take steps to ensure that the resource
agencies within the Department have adequate resources and personnel to
evaluate any proposed alternative conditions and fishway prescriptions?
Answer. If confirmed, I am committed to successfully implementing
the new process.
Question 66d. I understand that the Department issued joint interim
final rules to implement the hydroelectric licensing provisions of
EPACT on November 17, 2005, without an opportunity for public comment.
Why was there no opportunity for public participation before the rules
became effective? Was anyone outside the Administration consulted prior
to publication of the rules? If so, who?
Answer. I have been informed that the Energy Policy Act of 2005
included direction to the three resource agencies to establish the
rules within 90 days of enactment, which necessitated their publication
as interim final rules. However, I understand that public comments were
subsequently solicited on these interim final rules, and that the
Departments committed to consider these comments and their experience
in implementing the interim final rules in making a decision on issuing
final rules.
I am not aware as to whether there was any consultation with anyone
outside the Administration prior to the publication of the rules.
INDIAN WATER RIGHTS SETTLEMENTS
Question 67. During your time as Governor, you were able to secure
federal approval of a negotiated settlement of the Nez Perce's Indian
water rights claims in the Snake River basin. As you know, that
settlement requires a federal contribution in excess of $120 million.
The Administration strongly supported the Snake River settlement when
it testified before Congress and never questioned the federal
contribution. About that same time, the President signed into law the
Arizona Water Rights Settlement committing approximately $2 billion for
Indian water rights settlements in Arizona. Similarly, the
Administration never objected to the deal. Lately, though, the
Administration appears to be taking a different, and less constructive
approach to Indian water rights settlements. Instead of engaging early
with the parties, it is waiting until late in the negotiating process
to raise policy issues. It also appears to be applying a new and
restrictive policy in evaluating what level of federal contribution is
appropriate to resolve tribal water rights claims. New Mexico has 3
Indian water rights settlements pending in which Tribes have reached
agreement with the State on a resolution of their water rights claims.
I am interested in legislation to resolve these tribal water rights
claims and will resist the Administration applying new standards to New
Mexico, which it did not apply in these other settlements.
Do you believe the Executive Branch should take an active role in
trying to help facilitate federal Indian water rights settlements? If
confirmed, will you personally review the policies the Administration
is applying in the area of Indian water rights settlements, and work
with Senator Domenici and I in trying to resolve New Mexico's pending
settlements? The career staff have engaged of late in the Navajo San
Juan settlement, which is much appreciated. Will you direct your senior
staff to work with our staffs on these matters so that we can get some
constructive engagement from the Department at the highest levels?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work with you and Senator Domenici
toward a resolution of the proposed settlements in New Mexico and the
other Western States. I am pleased that career staff are engaged and
will assure their continued participation and that of senior level
policy makers in the Department.
Question 68. Another disturbing trend with respect to Indian water
rights settlements is the 2007 funding cuts proposed by the President
(24% or $4.4 million) to the BIA programs which support tribal
participation in negotiations. Similar cuts were proposed and
implemented in 2006, negatively affecting numerous tribes in New
Mexico. De-funding the negotiation process will lead to more litigation
and divisiveness in the west. This will effect not only Tribes, but
also States like New Mexico which are trying to efficiently resolve
these claims to provide the certainty needed to manage water in a
manner that promotes local economic stability.
Question 69. The current approach in the President's budget appears
to promote litigation rather than negotiation as the preferred approach
to resolving Indian water rights claims. In responding to questions
concerning the FY 2007 budget, the Administration admitted that it is
prioritizing litigation. Do you agree that this is the best approach to
resolving tribal water rights claims? If confirmed, will you review
these BIA programs and work with the Congress and the States on an
approach that is much more constructive?
Answer. As I stated in my opening testimony, I believe that finding
a solution to resolving Indian and non-Indian water rights claims can
be difficult and quite contentious, as was my experience in the Nez
Perce settlement. I thought then that the alternative, which was
several more years of litigation, was no alternative at all. If
confirmed, I commit to reviewing the relevant programs and working with
Congress and the States on resolving these issues.
Question 70. I have an increasing concern about whether the Federal
Government is providing an appropriate level of support to States and
local communities to help them address the water-related challenges
they will face over the next 50 years. The President's 2007 budget
proposes drastic cuts to many Federal water resource programs,
including a 13% cut to EPA's Clean & Safe Drinking Water programs: an
11% cut to the Army Corps of Engineers water resource budget; and a 21%
cut to USDA's water and waste disposal grant programs. At Interior, the
Bureau of Reclamation is proposed for a 5% reduction in funding, as is
the USGS Water Resources Program.
The Department has been touting its Water 2025 program. Obviously,
its principles and goals, which include (1) promoting water
conservation, (2) improving efficiency, (3) developing new
technologies, and (4) encouraging more cooperation, deserve support. I
don't believe, though, that Water 2025 can overcome the significant
cuts proposed elsewhere in the budget. Even within Reclamation, there's
a robbing Peter to pay Paul aspect to Water 2025. While the President
is asking for $14.5 million in the FY2007 budget for Water 2025, he's
also seeking over $24 million in cuts to programs such as the (1)
Science & Technology/Desalination program; (2) Water Management and
Conservation Program; (3) Native American Affairs program; and (4)
Water Reuse projects. These programs seem to promote the same goals as
Water 2025.
Given the increasing complexity of water quality and supply issues
in the West, do you think that the cuts being proposed by the President
represent the right trend as a matter of public policy? Notwithstanding
the fact that water allocation and management is primarily a state and
local responsibility, do you think the Federal government should have a
significant role in providing assistance in this area? Shouldn't we be
allocating significantly more resources towards water-related science
programs so that we can better understand and manage our complex
hydrologic systems?
Answer. I share your interest in trying to solve the challenges
faced by western states in meeting water related needs. During my
career of public service, I have spent a considerable amount of time
and energy focused on these issues. I am not familiar with the details
of these programs as I have not had the opportunity to participate in
the development of the Department's budget. If confirmed, I will work
to ensure that, in these times of limited budgets, Federal funds are
prioritized to address the most critical issues relating to western
water needs.
MIDDLE RIO GRANDE
Question 71. During your recent visit to my office, we discussed a
letter I recently sent to the Department concerning the Middle Rio
Grande region in New Mexico. We have an ongoing set of issues involving
endangered species and water users in the basin. While the State and
local parties are working cooperatively, there is still much work to do
to ensure compliance with the Fish & Wildlife Service's biological
opinion which controls water operations in the basin. That challenge is
magnified by the ongoing drought, which may seriously undermine the
ability to meet the target flows in the biological opinion beyond this
year. The Department recently responded to my letter, but my impression
is that it is still focused on yearly action as opposed to developing a
long-term strategic approach to ESA compliance; species recovery; and
protecting the interests of water users.
Do you agree with my view that a multi-agency long-term approach is
needed to maintain progress in the Middle Rio Grande and avoid an ESA
versus water rights crisis? If so, will you make this effort a priority
for your senior staff so that we might be able to get the visibility
and resources that this long-term effort needs and deserves? I should
note that Jennifer Gimble, who was Counselor to Secretary Norton, has
been helpful of late--and it would be beneficial to keep her involved
if you are committed to developing a detailed long-term plan for the
basin.
Answer. I believe a collaborative approach among the Federal
agencies, the State, and the stakeholders on the river is essential to
resolving the water supply and endangered species issues during these
drought-ridden years on the Rio Grande and on a long-term basis. If
confirmed, I commit to the continued involvement of senior high-level
staff in Middle Rio Grande issues.
WILDLAND FIRES
Question 72. Will you commit to take a hard look at improving the
Department's fire use program and at implementing policies to encourage
appropriate wildland fire use?
Answer. It is my understanding that the Wildland fire use program
is an important component of the Department's overall strategy to
reduce the risk of wildland fire to communities and natural resources.
If confirmed, I will look at the use of this important tool and its
implementation.
Question 73. Will you continue to be a strong advocate for
implementing the 10-Year Comprehensive Strategy you helped craft as the
linchpin for successful forest restoration and wildland fire
management?
Answer. If confirmed, I will continue the Administration's
commitment to executing the 10-Year Comprehensive Strategy, as well as
the Healthy Forests Initiative and the Healthy Forests Restoration Act.
Question 74. As I understand it, the Bureau of Indian Affairs has
made substantial cuts to the FY 2006 budget for the Mescalero Agency's
Fire Preparedness Program despite the extreme fire danger in the area.
What will you do to make sure that the Mescalero Agency is adequately
prepared and staffed for this wildfire season?
Answer. While I am unaware of the resource needs of the Mescalero
Agency, if confirmed, I plan to use all available authorities to ensure
that adequate resources are made available during this fire season.
Question 75. On April 28, 2006, fourteen western senators sent a
letter to BLM Director Clarke, Acting Interior Secretary Scarlett, and
yourself about the Department's inability to process geothermal lease
sales on federal lands. In the letter, they asked the Department to
``move much more swiftly to issue the necessary regulations, interim or
final, and finish processing the backlog of geothermal leases.'' If
confirmed. what steps will you immediately take at the Department of
Interior to ensure that the new regulations, interim or final are
issued, and will allow most if not all projects currently held in
abeyance to be permitted and operating before the placed in service
window for the renewable energy production tax credit expires? In
addition, what date do you expect to have the new regulations, interim
or final, issued?
Answer. I share your concern over the need to develop renewable
resources, and if I am confirmed as Secretary, it will be a high
priority for the Department of the Interior. It is my understanding
that the BLM is expediting the publication of the final rule. This
effort will have my full support to assure that the rule is published
on schedule as planned late this year.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Akaka
NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CENTENNIAL
Question 76. As you know, the National Park Service is celebrating
its 100-year anniversary ten years from now in 2016. The last
anniversary landmark celebrating the 50-year mark, President Truman
launched ``Mission 66.'' which was a ten-year infrastructure
development program in the national parks to upgrade visitor centers,
transportation infrastructure and services to meet the post World War
II surge in visitation.
We have read many stories in the news recently about the budget
strains affecting our national treasures, our national parks. The
current financial strains in the Park Service are well documented. The
GAO just released a report last month finding the daily operation
budgets of every park they studied were not sufficient to meet the
needs of those parks.
It has been estimated that the National Park Service faces an
annual operating shortfall of more than $600 million, hindering the
ability of the Park Service to provide visitor services and resource
protection throughout our 390 park units. The Congressional Research
Service's latest estimate (in 2005) for the maintenance backlog
plaguing our parks puts it between $4.5 and $9.7 billion.
Do you have any thoughts on a Centennial initiative to address the
fiscal needs of our national parks as we prepare to celebrate the 100-
year anniversary of the National Park Service?
Answer. If confirmed, I would be happy to evaluate the need for a
centennial initiative. Funding for park maintenance needs is vitally
important to continuing to provide high quality visitor experiences and
to protecting park resources. If confirmed, I plan to continue to make
it a priority to fund maintenance backlog projects and to improve the
processes for identifying and prioritizing maintenance needs. I also
believe it is important to continue to be as efficient and effective as
possible with the funds we currently have.
NATIVE HAWAIIANS
Question 77. I have introduced legislation which would extend the
federal policy of self governance and self-determination to Native
Hawaiians. I worked very, very closely with your predecessor, Secretary
Norton, to address any concerns that the Department had on this
measure. As a result, we have amended the bill to address concerns she
has raised on behalf of the Department.
While I understand that you likely have not yet had a chance to
review this legislation, I hope to work closely with you, because the
bill gives the Secretary of the Interior the authority to review
certain aspects of the process involving the reorganization of the
Native Hawaiian governing entity. Can I get your commitment that you
will work with me should you have any questions or concerns about this
bill?
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, I will happy to work with you on S. 147,
the ``Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2005.''
Question 78. As you may recall, Congress enacted Public Law 103-
150, the Apology Resolution, in 1993. The Resolution apologized, on
behalf of the United States, to Hawaii's indigenous peoples, Native
Hawaiians, for the role of U.S. officials in the overthrow of the
Kingdom of Hawaii, and committed to a process of reconciliation between
the U.S. and Native Hawaiians. The Department of the Interior has
played a significant role in the reconciliation process. In 1999,
Secretary Babbitt appointed the Assistant Secretary of Policy,
Management, and Budget, to be the DOI representative in this
reconciliation process. In 2000, a report was issued by DOI and DOJ,
with recommendations resulting from consultations with Native
Hawaiians.
I hope to continue to work with you and the Department of the
Interior on the reconciliation process between Native Hawaiians and the
United States. Despite the fact that you voted against the Apology
Resolution, are you open to working with me to address issues of
concern to Hawaii's indigenous peoples?
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, I am open to working with you to address
issues of concern to Hawaii's indigenous peoples.
Question 79. Along those same lines, we have been successful in
creating an Office of Native Hawaiian Relations in the Department of
the Interior to serve as a liaison between Native Hawaiians and the
United States. While the office is in its infancy, there is great
potential for the benefit this office can provide to both the
Department and to the people of Hawaii.
I hope that I can have your commitment that we can work together to
ensure that this office is appropriately staffed so that it can
accomplish its mission of benefiting both the Department and the people
of Hawaii.
Answer. Yes. If confirmed, I am happy to work with you to ensure
that the Office of Hawaiian Relations is appropriately staffed.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Dorgan
ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INDIAN AFFAIRS
Question 80. The position of the Assistant Secretary for Indian
Affairs has been vacant since February 2005. As you may know, this
person exercises the authorities and responsibilities of the Secretary
for administering laws, regulations and functions relating to Indian
tribes and individuals, and oversees the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Do you plan to fill this position, and what is your timeframe for
doing so?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work with the White House to identify
a qualified candidate as expeditiously as possible.
Question 81. Since its creation in 1977, the position has been
filled with an American Indian. Will you continue the practice of
having an American Indian or Alaska Native serve as the Assistant
Secretary for Indian Affairs?
Answer. I am mindful that the position of Assistant Secretary-
Indian Affairs has been traditionally filled with a Native American. I
will work with the White House to identify an appropriately qualified
individual to carry out the important responsibilities of the
Department to American Indians and Alaska Natives.
SETTLEMENT OF COBELL V. NORTON LITIGATION
Question 82. As you know, the Cobell v. Norton class action lawsuit
against the United States has been ongoing for the past decade. The
Cobell litigation has brought to light failures of the Department to
fulfill its fiduciary obligations to hundreds of thousands of
individual Indians with respect to their trust funds. Senior Department
Officials have testified about how the litigation has impaired the
Department's trust obligations to Indian tribes and how the expense of
the litigation has impacted the budget for critical Indian programs.
The litigation and the related accounting efforts being performed are
costing the federal government over $100 million annually.
Will settlement of the Cobell v. Norton litigation be a priority
for you?
Answer. I have been informed that the Cobell lawsuit has greatly
affected the operations of the Department and its ability to serve
Indian country. As such, if I am confirmed, addressing and resolving it
is of primary importance.
Question 83. At this point in time, do you believe Congress is the
appropriate entity to resolve the litigation? If confirmed as
Secretary, will you commit to working with Congress to achieve a
legislative resolution of this litigation during the remainder of this
congressional session?
Answer. I recognize that this has been a longstanding issue for the
Department and for Indian people. If confirmed, I will work with you to
resolve this issue.
Question 84. In addition, to the accounting claims asserted in the
Cobell litigation, are there any ancillary claims that you believe
should be included in a legislative settlement, i.e., failure to
properly collect funds on behalf of Indian beneficiaries or land
mismanagement claims?
Answer. I am not sufficiently familiar with the details of this
litigation or this matter more broadly to provide an answer at this
time. If confirmed, I will make it a priority to look into this further
and continue discussions with you and others in Congress on an
appropriate resolution.
Question 85. Will you commit to working with Congress and
consulting with Indian tribes to develop meaningful reform of the trust
management system at the Department to prevent future litigations
against the United States, such as the Cobell litigation?
Answer. It is my understanding that the Department is already
working closely with Congress and tribal leaders to reform Indian trust
management. If confirmed, I will continue this working relationship.
GOVERNMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT RELATIONSHIP
Question 86. Tribes have continuously expressed the need for a
stronger government-government relationship between the federal
government and tribes through a defined consultation process and a
final determination of what is entailed within the United States' trust
relationship to Indian tribes.
What are your thoughts on the United States' trust responsibilities
to Indian tribes and what steps will you take, if confirmed as
Secretary, to strengthen the United States' government-to-government
relationship with tribes?
Answer. The Federal government has a fiduciary trust duty and other
responsibilities toward Indian Country. As Governor, I signed
proclamations with eight western Indian Tribes confirming the
importance of increased communication and cooperation between Indian
Tribes in Idaho and neighboring states. These proclamations committed
the state to maintain government-to-government relations with these
Tribes and recognized the unique status of the Tribes as sovereigns
within our Federal system. If confirmed, I will continue to actively
work with Indian Country, the Administration, and Congress to discuss
the interests and priorities of Tribal governments and to address their
needs, and would welcome the opportunity to work with Congress in
defining the trust responsibility more clearly.
EDUCATION
Question 87. I understand that you are committed to the BIA mission
of educating Indian students and making sure that they have the same
opportunities as other students in achieving academic excellence and
being productive members of their communities. With 2/3 of BIA schools
failing to meet Annual Yearly Progress, it is clear that something
needs to change to make sure that our children get the best education
possible.
What is your plan to improve BIA schools so that they achieve
better academic results?
Answer. If confirmed, educating Indian children will be an
important priority for me at the Department. It has been my experience
that improved academic results depend upon ensuring that a suitable
environment exists for academic achievement. If confirmed, I plan to
work actively with the Office of Indian Education Programs, the
Department of Education, Indian Tribal leaders, Indian education
organizations and Congress on activities designed to provide a suitable
environment to foster improved academic results.
Question 88. As you know, the performance of our students is tied
to the condition of their school facilities. Of the 184 BIA schools, 1/
3 are in poor condition and in need of either replacement or
significant repair. How will you address this problem?
Answer. As I stated during my confirmation hearing, there can be no
more important issue than educating Indian children. I agree that the
condition of school facilities can affect student academic performance.
I have been informed that a negotiated rulemaking team will soon be
formed that will develop criteria to catalog the conditions of school
facilities, recommend a formula for prioritizing replacement and repair
needs, and identify standards for design and construction of school
facilities. If confirmed as Secretary I plan to work with the
negotiating team and Indian Country to ensure that school facility
needs are being met.
Question 89. The BIA's Johnson O'Malley Program (JOM) is the
cornerstone for many Indian tribes in meeting the unique and
specialized educational needs of Native students attending public
schools. JOM provides Indian students with programs that help them stay
in school, including remedial instruction, counseling, cultural
programs, transportation, standardized testing fees, and small but
important personal needs, such as eyeglasses, school supplies, and
uniforms. Over the past few years, the Administration has cut funding
for this program. What is your commitment to the JOM program?
Answer. As I was not involved in formulation of the budget
reductions, I will evaluate the Johnson O'Malley program within the
context of the 2008 budget process in consideration of our shared goal
for deficit reduction and education of Native American students.
BIA/TRIBAL BUDGET ADVISORY COUNCIL
Question 90. The BIA participates in the BIA/Tribal Budget Advisory
Council, which includes a number of Tribal leaders. The purpose of this
Council is to formulate a budget that reflects Tribal needs and
priorities that is also acceptable to the BIA. However, it is my
understanding that many items that are agreed to by the Council,
including the BIA, are not included in Interior's annual budget
requests. For instance, every year the Council approves funding for
United Tribes Technical College but yet the college has been cut out of
the President's budget request for the past four years.
If you are confirmed as Secretary, what will you do to ensure that
the Department is more responsive to Tribal needs and priorities?
Answer. I have not had the opportunity to work with the BIA/Tribal
Budget Advisory Council. I look forward to learning more about this
Council.
WATER RIGHTS
Question 91. As you know from your own first-hand experience
Governor Kempthorne, the resolution of outstanding Indian reserved
water rights is a significant priority among many governmental and
private stakeholders in the American West. For over 20 years, many of
these stakeholders have concluded that the best way to resolve these
reserved water rights issues is through negotiated agreements with the
Federal government and the tribes. However, the proposed Interior
budget for FY2007 would cut the funding that supports the tribes in
their water rights negotiations throughout the West, which in turn will
impact ongoing water rights negotiations.
Do you support a Federal policy that favors negotiated settlement
of reserved Indian water rights as opposed to litigated resolution of
those rights?
Answer. As I noted in my opening statement, I believe that finding
a solution to resolving Indian and non-Indian water rights claims can
be difficult and quite contentious, as was my experience in the Nez
Perce settlement. I thought then that the alternative, which was
several more years of litigation, was no alternative at all. I commit
to reviewing the BIA programs and working with Congress and the States
on resolving these issues.
Question 92. It seems that there has been a shift in how the
Department is interpreting the federal guidelines that are utilized to
determine the federal contribution to Indian water settlements. Will
you ensure that any shift in the Department's policies and
interpretations of federal guidelines with respect to the settlement of
Indian water rights is developed in consultation with Indian tribes?
Answer. If confirmed, I will explore the Department's past
policies, actions, and interpretation of these criteria and will
promote discussions with Tribes on these practices.
Question 93. Are you committed to ensuring that any settlements of
Indian water rights (including the development of the federal
contribution to settlements) fully take into account the
responsibilities, duties and unique relationship that the federal
government has with Indian tribes?
Answer. I am committed to honoring the unique and special
relationship between Indian tribes and the Federal government in all
Indian issues, including the settlement of long-standing water
disputes.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Wyden
SAVAGE RAPIDS DAM
Question 94. I wish to thank this Administration for the
$13,000,000 FY 07 budget request for the Savage Rapids Dam pumping
plant and dam removal project. I have worked hard with my colleague
from Oregon and this Administration to advance this project, and I look
forward to working with you and the new Commissioner of the Bureau of
Reclamation to complete it as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I remain deeply concerned about delays and cost increases as the
Bureau moves toward awarding a contract this summer. I hope that you
can assure me and this Committee that there will be no more delays in
this project. I also expect the Bureau to redouble it's efforts to
reduce and contain project costs.
What is the Bureau's full capability to expend resources on this
project in FY 07?
Answer. I am informed by the Bureau of Reclamation that the
$13,000,000 FY 07 budget request represents the amount that they have
the capability to expend on this project.
Question 95. What is the estimated cost of continuing the project
in FY 08?
Answer. I am not familiar with this level of detail for the
project, but will look into it if I am confirmed.
FRIMA
Question 96. Governor Kempthorne, will you support the Fish
Restoration and Irrigation Mitigation Act program in the Fish and
Wildlife Service that was enacted six years ago? This program has been
very successful in keeping salmon and other fish species from getting
tangled up in irrigation systems throughout the Northwest, Idaho and
Montana. It shares broad bipartisan support, and yet, the Fish &
Wildlife Service has yet to request funding for it.
Answer. I am committed to helping conserve and restore native runs
of salmon and other fish species in the Northwest. I will take this
funding concern under advisement during the Fiscal Year 2008 budget
process, if confirmed.
COMMUNITY FIRE ASSISTANCE
Question 97. Secretary Norton espoused a 4 Cs philosophy--advancing
conservation through cooperation, communication and consultation. This
philosophy would seem to emphasize working collaboratively with non-
federal partners--especially communities at risk from wildfire. Both
the National Fire Plan in general, and Community Wildfire. Protection
Planning specifically, have been cited as models for cooperative
conservation. However, current wildland fire budget priorities do not
reflect a focus on community protection, with a 25% reduction in
funding for community fire assistance in this year's budget, including
the elimination of BLM's Rural Fire Assistance Program. How do you
reconcile a 4Cs philosophy with budgets for community fire assistance
being so drastically reduced? How would you propose to effectively work
with communities in reducing the risk of wildland fire given these
reductions?
Answer. As Governor of Idaho, I formed a very effective partnership
with both the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service,
and I experienced first-hand the benefits of the National Fire Plan. It
is my intention to continue working with the Forest Service, the
states, and the local communities to implement the National Fire Plan
and ensure the risk of wildland fire is reduced.
I am informed that the Department is seeking to build on the
successes of the Rural Fire Assistance program through a Ready Reserve
program. If I am confirmed, I will support efforts to improve the
wildland fire response capabilities of local fire departments.
Response of Governor Kempthorne to Question From Senator Johnson
Question 98. The position you have been nominated to is critical to
the fulfillment of the treaty and trust responsibilities of the Federal
Government to American Indians. Unfortunately, there have been many
areas where the Federal Government has not lived up to those
responsibilities.
A policy of meaningful consultation is essential to upholding a
government to government relationship with tribes. The tribes in my
state have experienced, in their dealings with the Department of the
Interior, that there is often a sharp distinction between
`consultation', and `meaningful consultation.' Most recently, the
tribes in South Dakota and others across the country have expressed
serious concerns about the proposed realignment of education line
officers within the Office of Indian Education Programs. The tribal
concerns could have been better addressed and rectified if the BIA
engaged in meaningful consultations and provided more exact details the
proposed realignment. Tribal consultation sessions took place between
the tribes and the BIA, however the tribes feel their input was largely
ignored which heightens my concern about the growing divide between
`consultation' and `meaningful consultation.' In the case of this
realignment, and in moving forward with Indians Affairs policy in the
future, will you commit to working with me to address the need for true
`meaningful consultation' in tribal government relations?
Answer. I recognize consultation is important and necessary for the
Department to fulfill the ``government-to-government'' relationship
with Indian tribes. If confirmed, I will work with you and other
members of Congress in efforts to ensure that consultation occurs with
tribal governments.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Feinstein
DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR BUDGET ISSUES
Question 99. Community fire assistance: Both the National Fire Plan
in general, and Community Wildfire Protection Planning specifically,
have been cited as models for cooperative conservation. However,
current wildland fire budget priorities do not reflect a focus on
community protection, with a 25% reduction in funding for community
fire assistance in this year's budget, including the elimination of
BLM's Rural Fire Assistance Program. Given these reductions, how do you
propose to work effectively with communities to reduce the risk of
wildland fire?
Answer. As Governor of Idaho, I formed a very effective partnership
with both the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service,
and I experienced first-hand the benefits of the National Fire Plan. It
is my intention to continue working with the Forest Service, the
states, and the local communities to implement the National Fire Plan
and ensure the risk of wildland fire is reduced.
I am informed that the Department is seeking to build on the
successes of the Rural Fire Assistance program through a Ready Reserve
program. If I am confirmed, I will support efforts to improve the
wildland fire response capabilities of local fire departments.
Question 100. Stewardship vs. exploitation: Over the past five
years there has been a distinct shift in emphasis of federal lands
within the Department of the management Interior: from one of
stewardship and conservation, to an emphasis on commercial
exploitation. This shift is apparent in both the articulated policies
of the Administration and in the budget proposals sent to Congress. Do
you think that there is currently the right balance between
conservation and protection of natural resources and the development
and exploitation of those resources? What is your view as to the proper
balance?
Answer. As steward of one-fifth of the Nation's lands, the
Department of the Interior has an awesome responsibility for the
conservation, protection and restoration of natural, cultural and
historic treasures. At the same time, lands administered by the
Department provide 30 percent of America's current domestic energy
supply. Continued environmentally responsible development of both
renewable and nonrenewable sources on public lands is critical to
increasing and diversifying domestic energy production. I believe that
the Department can, and must, effectively fulfill both of these
missions and, if confirmed, it will be my goal as Secretary to do so.
Question 101. Park Service and other Interior agencies Maintenance
backlog: The 2007 budget request for the National Park Service contains
a large cut--nearly $85 million--for construction and maintenance in
the parks. This is a 27% cut. I am concerned about this cut, especially
because of the preexisting maintenance backlog in the parks (the
Congressional Research Service estimated that the backlog totals $4.5
to $9.7 billion). President Bush said that reducing the backlog was a
priority, and yet the backlog remains large. I have cosponsored the
National Park Centennial Act to try to address the backlog. What is
your plan for addressing these maintenance backlogs?
Answer. Though I am not aware of the details, I am aware that
funding for park maintenance needs is vitally important to continuing
to provide high quality visitor experiences and to protect park
resources. If confirmed, I plan to continue to make it a priority to
fund maintenance backlog projects and to continue to improve the
processes for identifying and prioritizing maintenance needs. I also
believe it is important to continue to be as efficient and effective as
possible with the funds we currently have.
NPS DRAFT MANAGEMENT POLICIES
Question 102. Organic Act: The fundamental laws, executive orders
and regulations governing national parks have not been amended or
changed since adoption of the 2001 Management Policies. Yet, the
interpretation of those laws is being substantially rewritten in
chapter 1 of the proposed revisions. What is your interpretation of the
Organic Act and the balance between conservation and enjoyment? Will
you strive, as Interior Secretary, to maintain the predominance of
conservation in the mission of the National Park Service?
Answer. It seems clear to me that our first duty is to conserve
park resources, but we must also provide for their enjoyment and
appropriate use. The NPS must ensure that the forms or levels of
enjoyment that it allows would not result in impairment of park
resources. So, in that sense I would agree with past Secretaries of the
Interior, including most recently Secretary Norton's letter to
Congress, affirming that the proposed updating of park management
policies continue to hold conservation as the predominant requirement
in the mission of the National Park Service.
Question 103. Air quality: Air quality is a critical problem for
several California parks, including Joshua Tree, Yosemite, and Sequoia-
Kings Canyon. For example, from 2000-2004, there were more than 315
unhealthy ozone pollution days in Sequoia-Kings Canyon, and the
Environmental Protection Agency formally designated these parks as
ozone non-attainment areas.
In the proposed management policies, ``clear skies'' in the parks
is no longer a core park resource, but now is an ``associated
characteristic.'' Associated characteristic is not defined or applied
anywhere else in the policies, but it suggests something less important
than other park resources such as soil and water. Do you view ``clear
skies'' as a core resource of our National Parks? Will you act to
restore this language in the proposed management policies?
Answer. I am not familiar with the specific provisions of the NPS
management policies. However, I do believe that keeping our park
resources, including air quality, in good condition is important. I
look forward to learning more about this very important matter.
Question 104. Public comment: The comment period for these draft
proposals ended on February 18th, 2006, yet many questions remain and
it is unclear what the next draft will look like. In my letter to Parks
Director Mainella, I asked that the proposed management policies be
subject to a second public comment period, after revisions stemming
from the first public comment period are completed.
If you are confirmed as Interior Secretary, how do you envision
directing the Park Service's plans to proceed with these revisions?
Will you allow another public comment period for these draft policies
before they are finalized?
Answer. I have learned that the Park Service received more than
45,000 comments on the draft that underwent public review for more than
four months. If confirmed, I will be actively involved in this process
to ensure that the NPS has the best management policies possible. I
will work with you and other Members of the Committee as we move
forward in this process.
BLM'S NATIONAL LANDSCAPE CONSERVATION SYSTEM
Question 105. I'd like to know your vision for protecting and
enhancing the BLM's National Landscape Conservation System--
specifically, the 26 million acres of BLM lands and waters that are
particularly rich in natural and historical resources, like National
Monuments and National Conservation Areas, and are intended to be kept
healthy, wild, and open.
The table in BLM's 07 budget shows a $4.8 million cut in operations
funding for the National Landscape Conservation System. This cut
reduces System funding by 12 percent from FY06 levels to just $37.1
million.
The California National Monuments and Conservation Areas that are
part of the System take a particularly hard hit with a funding cut of
about $1 million. King Range National Conservation Area, for example,
takes a cut of $153,000 and the budget at Headwaters Forest Reserve
declines by $50,000. In light of acknowledged problems throughout the
NLCS with regard to cultural resource protection, science and natural
resources monitoring, law enforcement, and visitor management in the
face of growing recreational use, I'm concerned.
Please tell me how you will stop this decline in funding and
address the conservation challenges of the NLCS.
Answer. If confirmed, I will review the budget for this program and
work to ensure the agency is able to carry out its functions as
Congress has directed. I would look forward to visiting with you about
this at that time.
WATER RECYCLING
Question 106. California water districts submitted over 40
feasibility studies on proposed water recycling projects for the Bureau
of Reclamation's review, some in 1999 through the San Francisco Bay
Area Regional Water Recycling Program and the rest in 2001 through the
Southern California Comprehensive Water Reclamation and Reuse Study.
When the Bureau had not reviewed any of these studies by 2004, the
CALFED legislation (Public Law 108-361) required the Bureau to complete
its review ``not later than 180 days'' after enactment on October 25,
2004, or in April 2005. Just last month, a full year after the CALFED
deadline had passed, and 5-7 years after the feasibility studies had
been submitted for the Bureau's review, the Bureau transmitted a report
to Congress.
After all that time, the Bureau found that it lacked enough
information to make a feasibility determination on any of the projects,
because the water districts had not submitted enough information on
topics such as the projects' ``research needs''. After all this delay
and still no resolution, I am tempted to conclude that Reclamation is
not interested in moving forward expeditiously to review water
recycling projects.
Do you believe that water recycling is an important part of a
balanced water program, particularly for urban areas that are trying to
reduce their dependence on the Colorado River?
Answer. The reclamation and reuse of municipal and industrial
wastewater can help meet water supply needs in many of the urban areas
of the west. This is particularly true in the major urban centers that
are almost solely dependent on imported supplies, such as the Colorado
River.
While I am not familiar with the status or review of the studies
you mentioned, my understanding is that water recycling projects are
predominantly planned, designed and constructed by the local non-
Federal project sponsors. These projects are also owned and operated by
the local water agencies. For communities dependent on the Colorado
River and anywhere water supplies are constrained, I believe water
recycling can be part of a balanced portfolio.
Question 107. If so, do you believe that Reclamation should
expeditiously review feasibility reports submitted by water districts
seeking a low federal cost-share for recycling projects of 25% of total
costs or less? Shouldn't expeditious review be measured in months
rather than in years?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work to assure that Reclamation's
review process for water recycling projects moves as expeditiously as
possible subject to annual funding levels. I believe that Reclamation's
stakeholders should be responded to in a timely manner.
R.S. 2477 POLICY--GENERAL
Question 108. As the author of the California Desert Protection
Act, I am particularly concerned with the impact that Secretary
Norton's new guidance (March 22, 2006), on processing R.S. 2477 highway
claims might have on the California desert. In the Mojave Preserve
alone, some 2,500 miles of would-be ``roads'' have been identified for
potential claims. Yet, there are currently only 244 miles of county-
maintained roads in the preserve.
Twenty-one wilderness areas in the California desert and two of the
country's most unique and beautiful National Parks, Joshua Tree and
Death Valley, are subject to claims as well. These claims threatens to
impact hundreds of thousands of acres of pristine desert habitat by
undermining their wilderness character, disrupting passive recreational
use and degrading water quality.
Would you consider revoking Secretary Norton's policy concerning
R.S. 2477 highway claims? If not, can you give us your assurance that
National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, National Monuments, Wilderness areas,
and wilderness study areas will not be subject to R.S. 2477 claims?
Answer. As I noted earlier, I am generally aware of this policy
and, if confirmed, I will certainly become more familiar with it. I
believe we have a duty and an obligation to protect Federal lands,
particularly in our National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, National
Monuments, and wilderness areas. I do not believe I can guarantee what
areas will be subject to claims from third parties, but I firmly
believe that, as stewards of the Public Lands, the Department and its
bureaus have a right and a duty to protect the surrounding and
underlying lands they manage.
DETERMINING THE VALIDITY OF R.S. 2477 CLAIMS
Question 109. What evidence will be sufficient to show continuous
public use? What requirements, in addition to continuous public use,
will be required to determine validity of an R.S. 2477 claim? Will the
agency involve the public in any way in the development of its legal
analysis?
Answer. As I noted earlier, I am generally aware of the
Department's new policy on R.S. 2477 claims; if confirmed, I will
certainly become more familiar both with that policy and with the way
it is being implemented. It is my understanding that the Tenth Circuit
made it clear that the BLM cannot determine the ultimate validity of
these claims, but I can commit to you that I believe we should involve
the public in these matters. I look forward to discussing this matter
with you at that time.
NON-BINDING ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATIONS
Question 110. Under what circumstances will the agency make a non-
binding administrative determination? Will the agency comply with NEPA
(and other key federal laws) prior to issuing a determination? How will
the agency seek public comment? How long will the public have to
comment on each determination?
Answer. If confirmed, I will have the opportunity to become more
familiar with these issues, including how the policy is implemented. I
will be happy to discuss the matter with you at that time.
ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS
Question 111. How will the agency determine the status quo with
regard to each road, road use and road maintenance? How will the public
receive notice and have the opportunity to comment on road maintenance
agreements? Will the public have an opportunity to appeal or otherwise
contest an agreement? If not, why not? Will the agreement be considered
`final agency action?' If not, why not?
Answer. If confirmed, I will have the opportunity to become more
familiar with these issues, including how the policy is being
implemented. I will be happy to discuss the matter with you at that
time.
IMPROVEMENT OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY
Question 112. When the holder of a legally or administratively-
determined R.S. 2477 right-of-way across federal land proposes to
undertake improvements beyond mere maintenance and so notifies the
agency, how will the agency determine whether the proposed improvement
is `reasonable and necessary?' How will the agency study the potential
effects of such improvements? How will the agency formulate
alternatives that serve to protect the federal lands they manage?
Answer. I am generally aware of the Department's new policy on R.S.
2477 claims; if confirmed, I will certainly become more familiar both
with that policy and with the way it is being implemented. I am
informed that the determination of what constitutes reasonable and
necessary depends upon state law. However, I am not aware of any law
that would require two tracks to become multi-lane highways, and I
would not support such a policy. I look forward to discussing this
matter with you.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Cantwell
VALUE OF THE NATION'S NATIONAL PARKS
Question 113. As a Northwesterner and Governor of the great state
of Idaho I know that you appreciate the value of outdoor recreation
both in an economic and cultural sense. The outdoors are part of the
American experience, particularly in the west. Would you agree with me
that when visiting the National Parks visitors expect a different
quality of experience than they do when visiting other public lands?
Can you please describe what that expected experience might be and how
you would work with the Park's Service to help visitors achieve it?
Answer. Each national park unit has a different mission and purpose
and provides opportunities for all people to form their own
intellectual, emotional, and physical connections to the meanings and
values found in a particular park's story. I look forward to working
with the NPS to improve the opportunities to provide unique, enjoyable,
educational, and inspirational experiences for all people. Effective
interpretive and educational programs facilitate these opportunities,
encourage the development of a personal stewardship ethic, and broaden
public support for preserving park resources for future generations.
Question 114. Can you please describe your insights on how the
National Park System might be different from other federal lands?
Answer. Each national park unit has a different mission and purpose
and provides opportunities for all people to form their own
intellectual, emotional, and physical connections to the meanings and
values found in a particular park's story. I look forward to working
with the NPS to improve the opportunities to provide unique, enjoyable,
educational, and inspirational experiences for all people. Effective
interpretive and educational programs, facilitate these opportunities,
encourage the development of a personal stewardship ethic, and broaden
public support for preserving park resources for future generations.
Other federal lands have their own unique values and resources. If
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about the important missions
of the various bureaus within the Department.
Question 115. The Parks Service's mission, as spelled out in their
1916 charter, is ``to conserve the scenery and the natural historic
objects and wildlife therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the
same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for
the enjoyment of future generations''. Do you agree that this mission
statement is still relevant today? If no, what is the Primary Mission
of the National Parks in your mind? How should the Parks Service best
carry out their mission?
Answer. I have been made aware of correspondence on the NPS
Management Policies from Secretary Norton in which she stated her
position that, ``when there is a conflict between protection of
resources and use, conservation will be predominant,'' and I agree with
that position.
Question 116. As you know, the Department of the Interior has
proposed a controversial rewrite of its management policies just five
years after the last such update. These updates are typically completed
every ten years and many people, myself included, have questioned the
usefulness of the current process. Do you agree with the new draft of
the rewrite that recreational uses, such as snowmobiling, ATV use, jet
skis, and increased commercial activity should be elevated over the
Park's traditional conservation mission that has been in place since
its 1916 charter?
Answer. While I am not familiar with all of the details of the NPS
management policy, I have been made aware of correspondence on the NPS
Management Policies from Secretary Norton in which she stated her
position that, ``when there is a conflict between protection of
resources and use, conservation will be predominant,'' and I agree with
that position.
Question 117. Is the Management Policy rewrite process, so soon
after the last, a wise use of the Park's resources, especially given
FY2007 cuts in the administration's budget for the NPS? How,
specifically, will this new rewrite help the Park's Service achieve its
mission?
Answer. As I mentioned in the hearing, I do feel that periodic
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. It is my understanding that the last policy
rewrite was done prior to September 11, 2001, and that these new
proposed policies reflect changes such as security measures for icons,
border security, and management efficiencies. Nonetheless, while I am
not familiar with all of the details of the management policies, if
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about this very important
matter.
Question 118. Governor Kempthorne, as you may know, Mount St.
Helens in southwest Washington is currently a National Volcanic
Monument managed by the Forest Service. I have been approached by some
of my constituents who advocate that it should be made a National Park.
Could you please tell me what additional resources DOI would bring to
Mount Saint Helens as a National Park that are not currently provided
by the Forest Service as it managed as a National Monument?
Answer. I am not familiar with the resources the Forest Service is
currently providing. If the National Park Service were given
responsibility for management of Mt. St. Helens by Congress, it would
be managed in a manner similar to all of the other 390 units of the
National Park System.
ROADLESS RULE AND STATE SAY IN FEDERAL LAND MANAGEMENT
Question 119. As governor of Idaho you were supportive of the Bush
Administration's elimination of the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation
Rule. As you know, this rewrite created a controversial precedent that
allowed states to decide whether to keep their last remaining pristine
federal forest lands or to log them. Do you support this same state
control and input over public lands managed by the Interior Department?
Such as those under control of the National Parks Service, the Bureau
of Lands Management, and Wildlife Refuge Areas?
Answer. As Governor, I supported efforts to provide clarity and
meaningful public participation in the Roadless Area process. If
confirmed, I will continue to seek input from state and local officials
as well as the public in any effort to make changes to the management
principles of our public lands.
Question 120. As I'm sure you know, in her last days as Secretary
of the Interior, Gale Norton developed a new process for reviewing and
recognizing right-of-way claims for highways on federal lands across
the West, under an 1866 Mining Act statute known as R.S. 2477. The new
policy makes it easier for states and counties to turn existing two
tracks, trails, and old dirt roads on federal lands into roads or
highways. In your mind, should the federal government pursue policies
that make it easier for states and counties to grandfather old dirt
roads, two-tracks, and cow trails into highway right of way across our
Wilderness Areas, National Parks, and other pristine federal lands?
Answer. Let me begin my answer by saying that my understanding of
the Department's policy does not comport with the characterization in
your question, and I would not support such a policy. As I noted in
another answer above, I firmly believe that, as stewards of the Public
Lands, the Department and its bureaus have a right and a duty to
protect the surrounding and underlying lands they manage, particularly
those in National Parks, National Wildlife Refuges, and wilderness
areas, and I am committed to protecting these lands. I also understand,
however, that while Congress repealed R.S. 2477, it did not terminate
valid existing rights-of-way existing as of the date of its repeal and
those rights must be lawfully respected. If confirmed I will review the
policy and would be pleased to visit with you about it at that time.
Question 121. What type of relationship do you think the Department
of Interior should have with counties and states?
Answer. As Governor, I felt that Idaho had a very positive working
relationship with the Department of the Interior. If confirmed, I would
ensure that the same positive relationship would continue with states
and local governments. As a former Chairman of the National Governors
Association, I have had the opportunity to forge close, bipartisan ties
with many governors. It is my intent to reach out to the governors and
local government stakeholders.
Question 122. Do you believe Secretary Norton's new policy on R.S.
2477 inappropriately included congressionally-designated wilderness
areas?
Answer. I am generally aware of the Department's new policy on R.S.
2477; if confirmed, I will have the opportunity to become more familiar
with that policy, including the way it is being implemented. I will be
happy to discuss the matter with you at that time.
Question 123. Would you agree that when Congress passes legislation
formally designating a wilderness, the highest level of protection
under our current system, that the area is deemed ``roadless''?
Answer. I am aware that roads are generally inconsistent with
wilderness and that Congress generally means to deem these areas
``roadless.'' Existing roads that provide for non-motorized access,
however, may not be inconsistent with wilderness designations and
might, in fact, be used for recreation on foot or horseback.
LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION FUND CUTS
Question 124. Governor Kempthorne, as you know, the President
completely eliminated the Land and Water Conservation Fund's Stateside
Grants Program in his FY2007 budget. Do you agree with the President on
this--is the Stateside Grants Program so unimportant that it deserve
total elimination in the FY2007 budget? If confirmed, will you make a
commitment to fight to restore these funds in next year's budget
request?
Answer. As I stated at the hearing, I believe the Stateside Grants
Program has been beneficial to the states. I am advised that nearly
$3.9 billion has been appropriated through 2006 for the LWCF State
Assistance Grant program, providing many significant resources to
States to develop recreation programs and acquire land.
It is my understanding that the 2007 President's Budget reflects a
judgment to advance the shared goal of deficit reduction by giving
priority to the core operating programs for parks, refuges, and other
public lands.
Question 125. Under Secretary Norton's tenure, LWCF funds have been
increasingly used for other programs within the DOI's budget that are
unrelated to its authorized purposes. In the FY 2007 budget, the
administration says that LWCF is funded at $533 million. However, the
total amount budgeted for the authorized purposes of the LWCF is only
$85.1 million, just a little over half the level funded last year and
more than 90% below the authorized $900 million level. The Department
of the Interior's own budget in brief lists 15 other non-LWCF programs
being counted as LWCF. Not to say that these other programs are not
important, but LWCF funds need to be used for LWCF purposes. Under your
tenure as Secretary, will you commit to returning to truth-in-budgeting
and use LWCF funds only for their authorized purposes?
Answer. It is my understanding that the budget proposal is
consistent with prior Congressional action. If confirmed, and as I
begin to work on the 2008 budget, I will work within the Administration
to develop a balanced package of conservation funding that is funded
within the overall context of our common goal of deficit reduction.
ROYALTY RELIEF FOR OUTER CONTINENTAL SHELF OIL AND GAS EXPLORATION
Question 126. Governor Kempthorne, earlier this year you may have
seen a series of articles in the New York Times highlighting how
provisions intended to incentive offshore oil and gas drilling in the
Royalty Relief Act of 1995, have or will result in the loss of tens of
billions of dollars in revenue to the federal treasury.
Congress' interest in this issue has been intense, especially given
record profits that oil companies have raked in over the last year
while gas prices have spiked. On January 24 of this year, I cosigned a
letter with Senator Bingaman and several other members of this
Committee requesting that the GAO undertake a review of the adequacy of
the royalty accounting and collection process. According to the draft
report the GAO released last month, losses to the treasury over 25
years could reach a staggering $20 billion.
The Interior Department concluded that taxpayers will only lose out
on $9.5 billion in royalties that oil companies should be paying over
the next five years. Do you know why that number is so much lower than
the GAO's? Can you please explain this to me?
Answer. I am informed that GAO's estimates of the value associated
with various deep water royalty relief issues are based on analyses of
the Department's Minerals Management Service and are fully consistent
with MMS's estimates. For two of the issues--the lack of the ``price
threshold'' provision in the 1998 and 1999 leases and the cost
associated with the judicial decision in the Santa Fe Snyder case--GAO
estimates for each issue were up to $10 billion over the next 25 years.
Question 127. Governor Kempthorne, given the current high price of
gasoline and even higher profits that oil companies are raking in, do
you think it a wise policy to continue to offer royalty relief for OCS
oil and gas exploration?
Answer. I believe that incentives to promote investments are
appropriate when prices are low, but when prices are high the markets
themselves provide ample incentive to invest in exploration. I have
been informed by MMS that all leases issued with royalty relief by this
Administration since 2001 have included price threshold provisions that
stop the relief when prices exceed certain thresholds and, with current
high oil and gas prices, most of these thresholds have been exceeded.
If confirmed, I will review this issue to ensure that we are not
providing any unnecessary incentives in light of current high prices.
Question 128. I understand the DOI contracts from 1998 and 1999
governing the collection of royalties from offshore oil and gas
drilling failed to include price thresholds. Is this accurate, and if
so please explain why this is the case and who specifically made the
decision that led to this situation?
Answer. I have been informed by MMS that, in the previous
Administration, the price threshold provisions associated with deep
water royalty relief were not included in the leases issued in 1998 and
1999. Further, MMS has informed me that there was no explicit decision
to do so. The provision was dropped by mistake during revisions to the
lease documents for the 1998 sales, and the error was not discovered
until shortly before the March 2000 lease sale. At that time, MMS
implemented new review procedures designed to ensure that such an error
won't happen again. I have been informed by the Department that they
have asked the Office of the Inspector General to further investigate
what occurred during that time period.
Question 129. Has the DOI/MMS taken any action since 2000 that may
have altered the amount of current or future revenues collected for the
use of federal lands for energy extraction of any kind? If yes, please
describe these actions in detail and estimate the impact of revenues
from these actions.
Answer. I have been informed by MMS that there have been a number
of regulatory and policy changes since 2000 designed to ensure receipt
of a fair return for the public's resources. These include:
Clarifications to rules governing the value of oil and gas
for royalty purposes--all of which have increased royalty
collections or been revenue neutral; and
Adjustments to royalty relief policies, including
significant reductions in the amount of relief offered deep
water leases.
They also advise that all charges have been in accord with the
authorizing statutes, as provided by Congress. The 2005 Energy Policy
Act provided for expanded royalty relief in certain areas. I can assure
you that, if confirmed, the Department will work to ensure this new
relief is subject to appropriate thresholds. In addition, MMS informs
me that, in order to encourage expeditious development of natural gas
in areas where infrastructure already exists, the Administration
adopted new relief for gas produced by 2009 from deep wells in shallow
water on the OCS.
Question 130. Governor, I can tell you straight out that drilling
off the coasts of Washington state is an anathema to my constituents
and I will fiercely resist any attempts to do so. In order to avoid
that unnecessary confrontation, can you provide me and the citizens of
Washington state assurances that you will not try and overturn the 1990
Moratorium on drilling off the Washington coast?
Answer. It is my understanding that the Administration supports OCS
leasing moratoria offshore Washington. I am told there is no area
proposed for leasing offshore Washington in the Draft Proposed Program
for 2007-2012.
ESA FUNDING FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE ACTIVITIES
Question 131. Governor Kempthorne, I often hear from my
constituents in Washington state that the Endangered Species Act permit
process takes too long because there are not enough Fish and Wildlife
Service personnel available to process applications in a timely manner.
I am concerned that many projects are delayed or never completed due to
this lack of resources. Under Secretary Norton's tenure, DOI has
consistently failed to ask for sufficient funds to administer the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service's endangered species programs. In fact, the
request has often cut funds from levels of the previous year, obliging
Congress to restore them. As Secretary, what specifically will you do
to ensure that FWS gets the operational funding and staff to meet its
mandated responsibilities under the Endangered Species Act?
Answer. I too have found that delay is a common problem under the
current ESA. I am concerned that the current levels of ESA litigation
and the associated court-ordered actions that the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service is forced to take as a result are diverting fiscal
resources away from other important mission areas, such as permit
processing.
I believe that if together we examine the processes required by ESA
we can improve them, thereby speeding up decisions where appropriate
and, perhaps more importantly, raising the confidence of all concerned
that the right decisions are being made.
With regard to adequate funding levels, I will work within the
Administration and with Congress to address funding needs for
endangered species within the context of the 2008 budget process and
our shared deficit reduction goals.
Question 132. Although I was not yet serving in the Senate, I
understand that you were instrumental in brokering a compromise with
then Senator John Chafee and Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt to
propose modifications to the Endangered Species Act that even some
enviros characterized as reasonable and forward-thinking. What did you
learn from that effort, and how do plan to use those lesson to try and
move forward on reforming this polarizing, but extremely important,
environmental law?
Answer. A great deal of our success was due to the fact that I had
good partners who were committed to finding solutions. I have fond
memories of working with Senator Chafee and Secretary Babbitt, and I
appreciated their willingness, along with so many others, to come to
the table and work toward consensus. That same willingness by all
parties is key to moving forward with any improvements to the Act.
While there are many ideas on how the law might be changed, we can
use what works in practice to rework what is written in the law--not to
minimize species protection, but to maximize our combined resources,
and not to weaken the ESA, but to strengthen our ability to truly
achieve recovery.
I believe a functional ESA that focuses on recovery is possible. I
believe there are key principles that should guide our efforts. We must
engage people in the problem so that they can help to find the
solution. Private citizens, business and communities, especially those
directly affected by conservation decisions, should have a seat at the
table.
We must also bring those people together, in a formal setting, to
enter into agreements so they know where they stand. The process should
not become a game of ``hide the ball.'' There should be no surprises.
BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS MISMANAGEMENT,
Question 133. Governor Kempthorne, when I meet with Tribal
representatives from Washington state, I constantly hear how the Bureau
of Indian Affairs is mismanaging tribal schools, prisons, health
clinics, fishing access, and numerous other issues important to my
constituents. Whether from a lack of leadership or bureaucratic
gridlock, the BIA simply has not lived up to its obligations to Native
Americans. Do you feel that the BIA currently meets the needs of Native
Americans?
Answer. If confirmed, I plan to learn more about the performance of
BIA programs and will discuss the current status of Indian programs
with the BIA and with tribal leaders to determine the underlying
factors influencing relative program performance.
Question 134. How would you ensure that it does if you were
Secretary?
Answer. If confirmed, I will work within the Executive Branch, with
Congress and Indian tribal leaders to assess the performance of Indian
programs, both those administered by the Department and those managed
by tribes and will work to make improvements where needed.
Question 135. What assurances can you give me, and Indian Country,
that things will change at BIA?
Answer. If confirmed, I will consult and work with tribal leaders,
stakeholders, the BIA, the Executive Branch and other constituents to
learn more about the performance of Indian Affairs' programs, and will
work to improve performance where necessary.
Question 136. As you know, your two predecessors were held in
contempt of court for their inability to deal with judge's orders
resulting from the Cobell litigation. How are planning to avoid their
fate?
Answer. The responsibility of trustee for tribes and individual
Indian people is one of the most important responsibilities of the
Secretary of the Interior. I have been advised that the Court of
Appeals reversed the lower court's contempt finding against Secretary
Norton. I plan to be responsive to the Court as the Cobell litigation
continues. I will comply with all the Court's orders to the best of my
ability.
TRIBAL DETENTION FACILITIES
Question 137. As you may be aware, the Inspector General in 2004
issued a report on the BIA Detention Facility Program entitled Neither
Safe Nor Secure. This report stated that, ``The BIA's detention program
is riddled with problems and is a national disgrace with many
facilities having conditions comparable to those found in third world
conditions.''
I am particularly troubled by the IG's finding that detention
program funding is haphazardly managed by the BIA. In my State, we have
a detention facility on the Nisqually Reservation that is heralded by
the BIA and DOJ regional offices as being supremely well operated. The
Tribe operates it pursuant to an ISDA compact with the BIA, and yet for
the last three years, the BIA has made the decision not to provide any
staffing or operations funds to Tribe.
The Tribe has sought an explanation as to why the BIA made this
decision and to date has not been provided one. The Tribe's attorneys
met with BIA detention staff and were given verbal assurances that the
Nisqually facility would be put back on the funding list in FY 2007. I
hope that I will be able to work with you to see that this will happen.
But in the mean time I would like to know:
How many BIA/Tribal detention facilities receive operations and
staffing funding from the BIA?
Answer. I am informed that there are 39 BIA-operated or owned
detention facilities and 34 tribally-operated or owned detention
facilities.
Question 138. How is the decision as to which facility will receive
funding made?
Answer. It is my understanding that the funding decisions are based
on staffing and operational requirements and the availability of funds.
Question 139. How much funding does each facility receive?
Answer. The BIA has provided a chart with this information.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Program
Org. code class Agency Allocated
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Direct Service Programs
BIA Central
KOL400/....................... 37730 Detention $2,055,529
Central Office
Pro. Mgmt..
KOL400/....................... 37740 Detention- $2,425,898
Juvenile
contracted beds.
KOL400/....................... 37750 Detention-Adult $2,425,898
contracted beds.
------------
$6,907,325
============
BIA
AOL400/....................... 37750 District $277,404
Corrections
Office (1).
AOL410/....................... 37750 Winnebago $64,044
Detention.
AOL430/....................... 37750 Standing Rock... $399,692
AOL440/....................... 37750 Crow Creek...... $278,906
AOL460/....................... 37750 Turtle Mountain. $318,395
AOL470/....................... 37750 Ft. Totten $284,185
Detention.
AOL480/....................... 37740 Lower Brule..... $498,473
AOL480/....................... 37750 Lower Brule..... $1,072,772
------------
$3,193,871
COL400/....................... 37750 District $274,306
Corrections
Office (5).
COL410/....................... 37750 Crow Detention $356,044
Center.
COL420/....................... 37740 Northern $1,429,306
Cheyenne
Detention
Center.
COL420/....................... 37750 Northern $366,008
Cheyenne
Detention
Center.
COL430/....................... 37750 Wind River $397,299
Detention
Facility.
COL450/....................... 37750 Spokane $352,701
Detention.
COL480/....................... 37750 Blackfeet $342,830
Detention.
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$3,518,494
HOL400/....................... 37750 District $274,306
Corrections
Office (3).
HOL410/....................... 37740 Eastern Nevada $1,554,676
Detention.
HOL410/....................... 37750 Eastern Nevada $238,673
Detention.
HOL420/....................... 37750 Western Nevada $81,562
Detention.
HOL430/....................... 37750 Uintah & Ouray $306,868
Detention.
HOL440/....................... 37750 Hopi Detention.. $668,109
HOL490/....................... 37750 Truxton Canon $499,959
Detention.
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$3,624,153
MOL400/....................... 37750 District $271,208
Corrections
Office (4).
MOL450/....................... 37740 Ute Mountain $311,531
Juvenile
Detention.
MOL450/....................... 37750 Ute Mountain $1,042,392
Detention.
MOL460/....................... 37750 Mescalero $14,791
Detention.
------------
$1,639,922
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$11,976,440
============
638 Contract Programs
KLA002/....................... 37750 Cheyenne River $1,238,973
Detention.
KLA003/....................... 37740 Oglala Sioux $635,272
Detention
Juvenile.
KLA003/....................... 37750 Oglala Sioux $2,380,617
Detention Adult.
KLA004/....................... 37750 Rosebud $1,942,977
Detention.
KLA005/....................... 37750 Omaha Tribe of $183,954
Nebraska
Detention.
KLA015/....................... 37750 Menominee $363,292
Detention.
KLA022/....................... 37750 Three Affiliated $2,620,564
Detention.
KLA024/....................... 37750 Sisseton- $95,399
Wahpeton.
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$9,461,048
KLC001/....................... 37740 Blackfeet Tribal $243,437
Juvenile
Detention.
KLC002/....................... 37750 Ft. Belknap $77,724
Community
Council Deten..
KLC003/....................... 37750 Assiboine and $1,700,579
Sioux Tribe
Detention
(Fort).
KLC004/....................... 37740 Confederate $98,759
Tribes -
Colville.
KLC004/....................... 37750 Confederated $2,346,994
Tribes -
Colville Deten..
KLC006/....................... 37750 Chehalis $7,967
Business
Council
Detention.
KLC010/....................... 37750 Warm Springs $201,432
Detention.
KLC018/....................... 37750 Yakima Tribal $404,092
Council
Detention.
KLC021/....................... 37750 Shoshone Bannock $357,323
Detention.
------------
$5,438307
KLH001/....................... 37750 Colorado River $273,903
Indian Tribe
Detention.
KLH002/....................... 37750 Ft. Mohave $44,498
Detention.
KLH003/....................... 37750 White Mountain $630,260
Apache
Detention.
KLH004/....................... 37740 Tohono O'dham $307,713
Nation
(Juvenile).
KLH004/....................... 37750 Tohono O'dham $1,963,622
Nation
(detention).
KLH008/....................... 37750 San Carlos $2,662,376
Apache
Detention.
------------
$5,882,372
KLM005/....................... 37750 Laguna Detention $236,997
KLM011/....................... 37750 Taos Detention.. $29,450
KLM014/....................... 37750 Zuni Detention.. $729,867
KLM016/....................... 37740 Navajo Nation $2,623,511
Juvenile
Detention.
------------
$3,619,825
KLS016/....................... 37750 MS Band of $2,300,050
Choctaw Indians
Detention.
------------
$26,701,602
============
Self Governance Programs
Red Lake........ $1,555,000
Sault Ste. Marie $1,151,588
Chippewa.
Gila River...... $1,526,538
Salt River...... $1,755,791
Chippewa Cree
(Rocky Boy).
Metlakatla......
Salish &
Kootenai
(Flathead).
Makah...........
Quinault........
Nisqually.......
Total......... $5,988,917
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$51,574,284
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Question 140. What is the funding distribution formula?
Answer. I have been informed that there is no specific funding
distribution formula used with the Indian detention program. The
funding decisions are based on staffing and operational requirements
and the availability of funds.
Question 141. How many other facilities that received staffing and
operations in the past six years do not receive funding now?
Answer. I have been informed that the BIA has closed 7 facilities;
four of these facilities continue to receive funding to contract for
detention beds at other facilities, and three no longer receive
staffing and operational funds.
Question 142. If there are any changes, what is the reason for
these changes?
Answer. I have been informed that BIA decisions to close facilities
were generally based on deteriorating physical condition, the
availability of qualified personnel to operate the facility, or the
availability of other cost effective alternate confinement facilities
(i.e., contracted private facilities).
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY
Question 143. Governor Kempthorne, do you support the Cape wind
offshore wind farm project off the coast of Massachusetts? Please
describe how the MMS plans to incorporate the EIS developed by the Army
Corps of Engineers into its decision making under Section 388 of the
Energy Policy Act of 2005? What is the timeline for this?
Answer. Concerning the Cape wind project, I believe it is not
appropriate to pre-judge the merits of the proposal before the NEPA and
consultative processes are complete. I have been informed that MMS will
soon commence a new NEPA process which will require about 18 months to
complete. This new work will be in addition to and will incorporate the
work done previously by the Corps. The tentative timeline for
completion of the process provides for a decision in December 2007.
ADMINISTRATIONS MISUSE OF SCIENCE TO SUPPORT THEIR ACTIONS
Question 144. Governor Kempthorne, as I'm sure you know, the
politicization of science has been in the news of late, with the Bush
Administration accused of suppressing or cherry picking agency science
in to cast doubt and uncertainty on the contribution of human causes to
global warming. Leading scientific organizations, such as the Union of
Concerned Scientists, have charged that the Administration has used, or
misused, science to advocate for a whole host of other policy decisions
including the decision to drill in ANWR. In your mind, what is the role
of science in informing policy? When making policy decisions, does it
make sense to ignore the scientific consensus on issues as important as
global warming or wildlife conservation?
Answer. If confirmed, I am committed to using the best available,
peer-reviewed science in all natural resource management decision
making processes.
Question 145. If confirmed, could you please tell me how you would
ensure that the DOI uses science in a clear, transparent way to inform
decision making on important natural resource issues?
Answer. If confirmed, I am committed to using the best available,
peer-reviewed science in all natural resource management decision-
making processes.
Question 146. Would you advocate use of the precautionary principle
in making science-based natural resource decisions? Can you please
explain to me what it means to take a precautionary approach? How has
this principle been used in the past by the DOI and how will it be used
in the future?
Answer. The concept of ``precaution'' can be deceiving as we all
have learned in the issue of wildfire, for example. After years of
being ``careful'' to put out all forest fires, thinking it would
benefit the health of the forest, we ironically increased the risk of
catastrophic wildfire. I think the lesson is that precaution is best
applied in being careful of what we assume. If confirmed, I am
committed to using the best available, peer-reviewed science in all
natural resource management decision-making processes.
DRILLING IN ANWR
Question 147. Governor Kempthorne, as a Senator you were a
proponent for drilling in ANWR. Do you believe that drilling in our few
remaining pristine National Wildlife Refuges represents good land
management policy?
Answer. I believe that opening a small portion of ANWR to
development of oil and gas is an important component of a comprehensive
energy policy. Any development of this area should be conducted with
state of the art technology and stringent environmental standards.
Congress set aside this area of the Coastal Plain of ANWR for the study
of its potential for oil and gas and possible development.
Question 148. What distinction do you make between drilling in ANWR
and other Wildlife Refuges? How about National Parks? Where, and how,
do you draw the line on drilling in our most fragile of Public Lands?
Answer. I am generally opposed to any new drilling activities on
National Wildlife Refuges or units of the National Park System where
the Federal Government owns the minerals. In ANWR, Congress
specifically set this area of the Coastal Plain aside for the study of
its potential for oil and gas development, and it turns out that the
potential is extremely high.
Question 149. What effect do you think drilling in the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge will have on today's gasoline prices?
Answer. Knowing that the market often reacts to events, it is
difficult to speculate at this time what impact the signal that America
is willing to increase its domestic oil supply would have on today's
prices.
Question 150. If drilling were to begin today, would it have any
affect on prices when it finally reaches the market sometime around
2015?
Answer. I am confident that production from ANWR will have an
important and beneficial impact on supply and prices. The lesson of the
current spike in energy prices is that we must develop additional
reliable supplies of domestic energy from both renewable and non-
renewable sources.
BOR
Question 151. As Interior Secretary, the Bureau of Reclamation
would come under your purview. In Washington State, the Bureau of
Reclamation is undertaking studies to explore new off-stream storage
and additional irrigation infrastructure in the Yakima and Columbia
Basin Projects in the State of Washington. If confirmed, do you pledge
to support the continuation and completion of the Yakima Basin Storage
Feasibility Study and the Odessa Subarea Special Study?
Answer. I am informed that Reclamation is presently conducting a
feasibility study of options for additional water storage in the Yakima
River Basin in Washington, and has initiated a special study for the
Odessa subaquifer. If confirmed, I look forward to working
cooperatively with you and the local sponsor to continue work on the
studies, subject to available funding.
PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES
Question 152. The fiscal year 2007 administration request includes
a request $198 million for the Payment in Lieu of Taxes Program
(PILT)--a cut of 15% over last year's enacted level. If confirmed as
Interior Secretary, will you support efforts to restore cuts to PILT
funding?
Answer. Recognizing that PILT payments compensate local governments
for lost tax revenue and enhance their ability to partner with the
Federal government, I am committed to working within the Administration
and with Congress to fund the PILT program at appropriate levels within
the overall context of our common goal of deficit reduction.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Salazar
PARK MANAGEMENT POLICIES
Question 153. Neither Secretary Norton nor Director Mainella has
persuaded me of the need, at this time, for the sweeping changes to the
National Park Service management policies that were proposed by the
Department late last year. The proposed management policies would
replace the long-standing conservation mandate of the Park System with
a more permissive and less protective approach to park management. And
the new policies have not been properly vetted with the public.
What can you say to reassure us that, if you are confirmed, this
costly and unnecessary rewrite of the Park Service management policies
will not continue?
Answer. As I mentioned during the hearing, I do feel that periodic
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. It is my understanding that the last policy
rewrite was done prior to September 11, 2001, and that these new
proposed policies reflect changes such as security measures for icons,
border security, and management efficiencies. Nonetheless, while I am
not familiar with all of the details of the management policies, if
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about this very important
matter.
Question 154. Will you agree in any event to submit any new DOI
proposal to revise the NPS management policies to the public for
comment?
Answer. As I mentioned during the hearing, I do feel that periodic
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. I have learned that the Park Service received
more than 45,000 comments on the draft that underwent public review for
more than four months. If confirmed, I look forward to working with you
and other members of the Committee as we move forward in this process.
Question 155. The 1916 Organic Act and the existing management
policies unambiguously provide that conservation of park resources is
the National Park Service's primary purpose. The existing management
policies state that ``when there is a conflict between conserving
resources and values and providing for the enjoyment of them,
conservation is to be predominant.'' Do you agree with the principle
expressed in this statement?
Answer. I have been made aware of correspondence on the NPS
Management Policies from Secretary Norton in which she stated her
position that, ``when there is a conflict between protection of
resources and use, conservation will be predominant,'' and I agree with
that position.
PUBLIC LAND SALES
Question 156. The President's FY07 budget recommends raising $350
million over ten years by selling off Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
lands. This represents a fundamental shift from BLM's current policy of
using receipts from land sales to acquire inholdings within existing
federal land conservation systems (National Parks, National Forests,
BLM National Monuments, etc). And, in my judgment and that of many of
my colleagues on this committee--Republicans and Democrats alike--it is
a particularly short-sighted change in policy.
Most westerners treasure recreational and other opportunities on
federal lands. The sale of a significant portion of this land would
prohibit many of the constituents in my state of Colorado and tourists
from other states from enjoying these special places on federal lands
in the future.
Do you agree that selling off BLM lands for ``deficit reduction''
is a good idea?
Answer. As I stated during the hearing, I do not support the
concept of selling public lands purely for the purpose of covering
operational expenses or for deficit reduction. However, I believe there
are times when the disposal of certain Federal lands, such as widely
scattered tracts that do not have resource value and are uneconomic to
manage, fulfills worthwhile land management objectives. Turning these
lands back to communities can be a benefit to all Americans. If
confirmed, I look forward to working with you on this and other land
management issues.
Question 157. Should the Federal Land Transaction and Facilitation
Act be utilized to provide funds for the acquisition of private lands
from willing sellers, to include in national parks, national forests,
and BLM conservation areas?
Answer. It is my understanding that your question accurately
described the provisions of the Federal Land Transaction Facilitation
Act, which authorizes the use of the proceeds of sales of BLM lands to
purchase inholdings from willing sellers whose lands are surrounded by
lands managed by BLM, the National Park Service, the Fish and Wildlife
Service, or the Forest Service. I do believe this is the appropriate
use of this Act. If confirmed, I will familiarize myself with the
details and requirements of the Act and would be pleased to discuss
this matter with you.
COMMUNITY FIRE ASSISTANCE
Question 158. Secretary Norton ``4 Cs'' philosophy--advancing
conservation through cooperation, communication and consultation--
emphasized working collaboratively with non-federal partners. The
National Fire Plan and Community Wildfire Protection Planning have been
cited as models for cooperative conservation. Yet, the President's FY07
budget request would reduce funding for community fire assistance
programs by 25% and would eliminate BLM's Rural Fire Assistance Program
(also known as State and Local Fire Assistance).
If confirmed, will you work with me to help rural communities in
the West reduce the risk of wildfires?
Answer. Yes. As Governor of Idaho, I formed a very effective
partnership with both the Department of the Interior and the U.S.
Forest Service, and I experienced first-hand the benefits of the
National Fire Plan. It is my intention, if confirmed as Secretary, to
continue working with the Forest Service, the states, and the local
communities to implement the National Fire Plan and ensure the risk of
wildland fire is reduced.
Question 159. Will you commit to advocating for increased funding
for--rather than elimination of--BLM's Rural Fire Assistance Program?
Answer. I am informed that the Department is seeking to build on
the successes of the Rural Fire Assistance program through a Ready
Reserve program. If I am confirmed, I will support efforts to improve
the wildland fire response capabilities of local fire departments.
AIR TANKERS
Question 160. In 2002 during the Big Elk fire near Estes Park,
Colorado witnessed the loss of a slurry bomber and its two crew members
when it broke apart and crashed. Twelve days later a helicopter working
the fire crashed killing its single pilot. Wildfire aviation is an
important component to the response to fires that endanger local
communities, and I am interested in seeing a capable and safe fleet in
service. In that regard, a blue ribbon panel was convened to make
recommendations. Members of that panel recently testified before this
committee, and I would like to share with you their answer to a
question that asked.
Would you please review this Q&A and give this committee your views
on what the Department can do to improve the wildfire aviation program?
Answer. It is my understanding that the Departments of the Interior
and Agriculture (Forest Service) are currently preparing a long-term
aviation strategy to meet the aviation needs of the federal fire
community for the next 15 to 20 years. If confirmed, I look forward to
providing the necessary leadership to complete and implement this
strategy.
PILT
Question 161. When I travel around the State of Colorado and meet
with county commissioners, the Payment in Lieu of Taxes Program
consistently ranks as their number one concern. Despite Congress'
strong support for this program, the Department of Interior and the
administration consistently would have us fund it not only below its
authorized levels but at lower amount each year. Many members here
today would like to see that program fully funded.
Will you, as part of the FY 2008 budget process, advocate full
funding of the PILT Program?
Answer. I am committed to working within the Administration and
with Congress in the 2008 budget process to fund the PILT program
within the overall context of our common goal of deficit reduction.
Question 162. If not, then will you complete and submit to Congress
a plan on how the Department of Interior and the Administration plan to
proceed toward full funding of the PILT Program within a reasonable
period of time, without selling public lands to finance it?
Answer. I cannot commit the Administration with regard to future
budgets and therefore cannot submit a funding plan prior to release of
the 2008 budget. However, if confirmed, I do plan to maintain an open
dialogue with the Congress, states, and counties about PILT. I do not
plan to propose the use of public lands sales revenue for this purpose.
LWCF
Question 163. During the 2000 Presidential campaign, then Governor
George W. Bush committed to ``full funding'' for the Land and Water
Conservation Fund at the authorized level of $900 million annually. You
publicly endorsed that commitment in 2001. Since then, Secretary Norton
has presided over its virtual demise. I am working hard to revitalize
the stateside grant program of the LWCF.
Since its inception in 1964, the LWCF stateside grants program has
helped create thousands of parks and open space opportunities for
Americans, using revenues from offshore oil and gas drilling. Colorado
has benefited greatly from Congress's outstanding vision, as has Idaho,
which has received over $37 million to fund 410 of these parks and
recreation projects.
Would you agree with me that the LWCF stateside grants program
remains vital to states like ours that are growing rapidly and where
there is a great demand for additional open space and recreation
opportunities?
Answer. States like Idaho have benefited greatly from the Land and
Water Conservation Fund. In my home state, we have used those funds to
purchase and develop parks, promote wildlife and wetlands conservation
and protect species. It is my understanding that nearly $3.9 billion
has been appropriated through 2006 for the LWCF State Assistance Grant
program, providing many significant resources to States to develop
recreation programs and acquire land. It also is my understanding that
the 2007 President's Budget reflects the judgment made within the
context of the shared goal of deficit reduction, with priority given to
the core operating programs for parks, refuges, and other public lands.
Question 164. If confirmed, can I count on you to help me restore
this vital component of America's land conservation agenda?
Answer. If confirmed, I will consider the Stateside Grants budget
needs within the context of the annual budget.
BLM LEASING POLICIES
Question 165. I am concerned that the administration's rush to
lease as much acreage as possible for oil and gas exploration and
development will have long-term negative impacts on our nation's energy
policy. For example, the City of Grand Junction, Colorado--a pro-
business, pro-development, pro-energy town that is reaping many of the
benefits of Colorado's natural gas industry--recently asked the BLM to
defer a gas lease sale in the City's watershed area, to address their
concerns about possible contamination of drinking water. Despite my
objections and those of Congressman John Salazar, BLM proceeded with
the lease sale without regard to the City's concerns and has yet to
address them in a meaningful way.
Another example is the May 11th lease sale, which includes 5,200
acres of BLM land that was set aside in the management plan for
mountain biking near Fruita, Colorado. Mountain biking is a major
tourist draw to this area of Colorado, and the local communities have
concerns about this lease sale.
It is this type of rush to lease, despite the real concerns of a
pro-development community, that leads me to believe that there is a
fundamental problem with how the BLM is doing business in Colorado.
Moreover, by making oil and gas exploration and development the number
one priority on all BLM land, over all other uses, will permanently and
irrevocably affect the natural heritage of the Rocky Mountain West.
Will you commit to work with local communities and to listen to
their legitimate concerns regarding the primacy of energy development
over other uses of public lands?
Answer. Working with local communities and government agencies will
continue to be a high priority for the Department if I am confirmed as
Secretary. It is important that local community concerns about energy
development on DOI managed lands be considered in all land use
management and permitting decisions and that the right decision is made
for the right reasons.
Question 166. In 1993, the BLM signed off on the Grand Mesa Slopes
Management Plan with the City of Grand Junction and the Town of
Palisade, among others, which states that BLM would recommend mineral
withdrawals ``where municipal water facilities exist or are to be
developed or where surface protection is deemed desirable'' only after
consultation with the Grand Mesa Slopes advisory committee.
Nevertheless, earlier this year BLM announced a lease sale on
thousands of acres of land adjacent to and within the City and Town's
watershed area without having done the required consultation. BLM is in
the process of finalizing that lease sale now, over the City and Town's
strong objections and in violation of the Grand Mesa Slopes Planning
document.
If confirmed, will you request that this lease sale be withdrawn
until the City of Grand Junction and the Town of Palisade's concerns
are adequately addressed and this agreement can be implemented,
including the withdrawal of the minerals?
Answer. I am not familiar with the details of this lease sale.
However, if confirmed as Secretary, reviewing concerns of local
communities regarding energy development will be a priority for me, and
I can assure you that I will give those concerns due consideration.
ROAN PLATEAU
Question 167. Current BLM oil and gas leasing and development
policies have resulted in the BLM opening to leasing millions of acres
of sensitive lands, including lands that many members of Congress have
proposed for wilderness, or that have previously been protected for
their wildlife or cultural values. In Colorado, the Roan Plateau is an
example of one of those special places. Tens of thousands of acres of
public lands administered by the BLM are prime wildlife habitat, home
to rare species of plants and animals, and a refuge for Colorado
citizens who seek solitude and renewal through hiking, hunting, fishing
and camping. I have publicly stated that the Roan Plateau is a unique
resource that should be preserved for future generations and should be
``off limits'' to oil and gas development.
In November 2004, the BLM's draft environmental impact statement of
the results of leasing federal lands on the Roan Plateau for oil and
gas exploration and development studied four alternatives for energy
development, in addition to a no action alternative. The public
submitted 74,000 comments in response to the draft EIS, overwhelmingly
opposed to the leasing of these lands. Today, by all appearances, BLM
is preparing to issue a final EIS and Record of Decision that would
pursue a leasing program fundamentally different from the four
alternatives included in the draft EIS.
Do you agree that the public should have an opportunity to review
and comment on the specifics of a leasing program proposed for lands
with unique wilderness, wildlife and recreational characteristics
before the BLM makes a final administrative decision?
Answer. Yes. I support full public participation in programs
managed by the Department as prescribed in the laws that govern the
Department's activities.
Question 168. If confirmed, can I count on you to reverse BLM
policies that encourage the leasing of lands identified by citizens and
the BLM itself as harboring wilderness values, and important wildlife
and recreational values?
Answer. If confirmed, I will support policies to ensure the public
has the fullest possible opportunity to review and comment on leasing
proposals, including the opportunity to identify potential wilderness,
wildlife, and recreational values as spelled out in regulations and
law.
OIL SHALE
Question 169. Last year the Senate and the members of this
committee worked very hard on the Energy Policy Act of 2005, (PL 109-
58). An important section of that bill (section 369) deals with the
potential development of oil shale in the western United States. A
bipartisan effort laid out a deliberate, thoughtful process for the
potential development of oil shale in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. As
the Chairman indicated, we are pleased with the BLM's diligence in
issuing the research and development leases.
Will you commit to continuing the deliberate and thoughtful
process, that Congress set forth in that legislation, regarding oil
shale development in the West--including the completion of the
programmatic EIS as required by Section 369(d) of the Energy Policy Act
prior to moving forward with a commercial leasing program?
Answer. I agree that the development of oil shale represents an
important part of the nation's energy portfolio. I am generally aware
of the BLM's efforts so far in issuing oil shale research and
development leases. If confirmed, I pledge that I will support the
deliberative public process and the oil shale programmatic
environmental impact study, as required by the Energy Policy Act of
2005, as the Department of the Interior moves forward with a commercial
leasing program.
Question 170. Will you continue to work with local communities in a
way that considers their input, experience, and concerns with potential
oil shale development?
Answer. As Governor, I appreciate and value local community
involvement. If confirmed, I will ensure that the Department of the
Interior includes communities, local officials, interested citizens,
and other stakeholders as the Department moves forward. I look forward
to working with you and other Members of Congress to ensure that oil
shale leasing in Colorado proceeds in an appropriate manner.
Question 171. Section 369(d) of the Energy Policy Act (PL 109-58)
requires the Secretary to develop a programmatic environmental impact
statement on a potential commercial oil shale leasing program.
Subsection (e) of the statutes provides:
(e) COMMENCEMENT OF COMMERCIAL LEASING OF OIL SHALE AND TAR
SANDS.--Not later than 180 days after publication of the final
regulation required by subsection (d), the Secretary shall
consult with the Governors of States with significant oil shale
and tar sands resources on public lands, representatives of
local governments in such States, interested Indian tribes, and
other interested persons, to determine the level of support and
interest in the States in the development of tar sands and oil
shale resources. If the Secretary finds sufficient support and
interest exists in a State, the Secretary may conduct a lease
sale in that State under the commercial leasing program
regulations. Evidence of interest in a lease sale under this
subsection shall include, but not be limited to, appropriate
areas nominated for leasing by potential lessees and other
interested parties. (Emphasis added.)
It was certainly my intention--and I believe the statutory language
reflects this--to provide the Secretary with discretion to develop and
execute a commercial oil shale leasing program based on the findings of
the programmatic EIS and based on the results of the consultation with
state and local governments and other stakeholders mandated in that
subsection. Do you agree? If not, please explain your answer.
Answer. Yes, I agree that the Energy Policy Act provides the
Secretary with discretion to develop and execute a commercial oil shale
leasing program based on the findings of the programmatic EIS and based
on the results of consultation with state and local governments. It is
my understanding that the FY 2007 budget requests funds for the
programmatic EIS. If confirmed, I will work to ensure that the
requested funds are applied to move the program forward in an
expeditious manner.
ROAD CLAIMS ON NATIONAL PARKS, NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGES AND BLM LANDS
(RS 2477)
Question 172. In one of her last official acts, Secretary Norton
authorized the Department of the Interior to enter into road
maintenance agreements with states and local governments that will
affect National Parks, National Monuments, National Wildlife Refuges,
wilderness areas and public lands across the West. I have serious
concerns about Secretary Norton's March 22 Secretarial Order. Although
these maintenance agreements are not supposed to recognize legal rights
to use roads under the repealed Revised Statute 2477, the public
perception will be very different. Local governments and residents will
inevitably see these maintenance agreements as recognition of local
rights to use roads, trails and paths that crisscross current and
former public land, even though many of these claims are of doubtful
merit. Whatever the Department's intention, the public perception that
these roads and trails are open to public use will lead to increased
and unregulated use of these roads and trails, uses that can have very
damaging and sometimes irreversible impacts on these special public
lands.
Do you agree that the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals decision in
Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance v. BLM does not require the BLM to
enter into road maintenance agreements with local and state governments
for roads subject to non-adjudicated RS 2477 claims?
Answer. It is my understanding that the 10th Circuit decision does
not require this, but BLM has the authority to enter into agreements
and already has many in place.
Question 173. Do you agree that it is entirely within the
discretion of the Department of the Interior to enter into or not to
enter into such road maintenance agreements?
Answer. As I stated, I am aware that the Department, through the
Bureau of Land Management, has used road maintenance agreements for a
number of years. I am not, however, fully versed in the details of this
policy. If confirmed I will have the opportunity to become more
familiar with these issues, including how the policy is being
implemented. I will be happy to discuss the matter with you at that
time.
Question 174. If confirmed, will you refrain from authorizing any
road maintenance agreements or construction projects under this policy?
Answer. Again, if confirmed I will have the opportunity to become
more familiar with the details of this policy, including how the policy
is being implemented with regard to road maintenance agreements and
construction projects. I will be happy to discuss the matter with you
at that time.
NATIONAL LANDSCAPE CONSERVATION SYSTEM
Question 175. The National Landscape Conservation System,
established in 2000 and encompassing 26 million acres of the BLM's
``Crown Jewel'' landscapes, has suffered from neglect during the past
five years.
If confirmed, will you work with me to institutionalize the NLCS
and provide it with the financial resources it needs to fulfill its
mission of keeping NLCS lands ``healthy, wild and open.''
Answer. If confirmed, I will review the budget for this program and
work to ensure the agency is able to carry out its functions as
Congress has directed. I would look forward to visiting with you about
this at that time.
ARKANSAS VALLEY CONDUIT AND ANIMAS-LA PLATA (BUREAU OF RECLAMATION):
ARKANSAS VALLEY CONDUIT
Question 176. I am a cosponsor with my colleague Senator Allard of
S. 1106. Our bill would authorize the Bureau (with a local cost-share)
to construct a pipeline to deliver drinking water to communities south
of Pueblo, Colorado all the way to the Kansas border. The construction
of this pipeline is critical for these rural communities; numerous
entities are already facing some inquiry or notice from the Colorado
Department of Health and Environment that their drinking water does not
meet current standards. These very small towns and water providers on
their own cannot possibly all build facilities to meet standards, and
so the Arkansas Valley Conduit is a regional approach to addressing
this issue.
Our bill is a stand alone authorization for a rural water supply
project and would not change the statute authorizing the Fryingpan-
Arkansas Project. Nevertheless, the Bureau has informed my constituents
as recently as a month ago that it would oppose this bill because there
is an 80-20 federal/non-federal cost share provision.
The Bureau's stated reason for its opposition is that this would
set a precedent. Has the Bureau supported and implemented rural water
supply projects that did not involve a 100 percent local cost-share
obligation?
Answer. I do not know whether or not the Bureau has supported the
rural water supply projects that did not involve 100 percent local cost
share. I understand the importance of this project to you and I look
forward to learning more about it and working with you and Senator
Allard on this project in the future.
ANIMAS-LA PLATA
Question 177. I have been involved in the Colorado Ute Indian Water
Rights Settlement Act and the related Animas-La Plata Project for many
years. Like many others, I am excited that this project is well
underway. However, I share the concerns of the project sponsors that
not requesting funding up to the spending capability of the Bureau will
delay the settlement implementation and increase project costs.
Would you agree that it would be' in the best interest of all
parties, including the taxpayers, to provide adequate funding in the
coming three years of primary construction so that it is possible to
complete this project in a timely and cost-effective fashion, which
would also make room in the Bureau's budget in years ahead for other
projects?
Answer. I understand that the $57.4 million included in the
President's FY 2007 budget request for Animas-La Plata Project
(Project). Provides funding to move forward at a reasonable pace and is
by far the single largest ongoing construction project within the
Bureau of Reclamation. While I did not participate in the development
of the Department's budget for FY 07, if confirmed, I will work to
ensure the project continues to move along expeditiously within the
context of the FY 08 budget development.
Responses of Governor Kempthorne to Questions From Senator Menendez
Question 178. Governor, do you think the Interior Department is
striking the appropriate balance between conservation and resource use
on our public lands? If not, which direction do you think the
Department needs to move in? How do you think that balance has shifted
since President Bush has taken office?
Answer. The National Park Service is in the extremely challenging
position of trying to conserve park resources while providing for the
enjoyment of those resources in such manner and by such means as will
leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations. If
confirmed, I look forward to working with the National Park Service to
meet this important challenge.
Question 179. Do you support the administration's proposal to
nearly eliminate the stateside grant program from the Land and Water
Conservation Fund?
Answer. States like Idaho have benefited greatly from the Land and
Water Conservation Fund. In my home state, we have used those funds to
purchase and develop parks, promote wildlife and wetlands conservation
and protect species. It is my understanding that nearly $3.9 billion
has been appropriated through 2006 for the LWCF State Assistance Grant
program, providing many significant resources to States to develop
recreation programs and acquire land. It also is my understanding that
the 2007 President's Budget reflects a judgment made to advance the
shared goal of deficit reduction by giving priority to the core
operating programs for parks, refuges, and other public lands. If
confirmed, I will work to explore alternative sources of funding.
Question 180. The Land and Water Conservation Fund is authorized at
$900 million annually, and is meant to be spent on land acquisition.
But in the FY07 budget, only $83 million is proposed for land
acquisition, while $440 million is proposed for other programs. Do you
believe that the Land and Water Conservation Fund should be used for
purposes other than land acquisition?
Answer. I am informed that the Congress over the past decade has
appropriated nearly $1.5 billion from the Land and Water Conservation
Fund for programs other than Federal land acquisition and State
recreation grants, including nearly $550 million in appropriations over
the three years prior to the 2000 election. I believe this reflects
Congress' view that a number of programs contribute to meeting
America's conservation and recreation needs. If confirmed, as I begin
to work on the 2008 budget, I will evaluate this approach and work
within the Administration to develop a balanced package of conservation
funding within the overall context of our common goal of deficit
reduction.
Question 181. Do you believe that the FY07 proposed budget, where
only 16% of the LWCF money would be used for land acquisition, is the
proper balance for the use of these funds?
Answer. It is my understanding that the budget proposal is
consistent with prior congressional action. If confirmed, as I begin
work on the 2008 budget proposal I will evaluate the programs funded
from the LWCF and work within the Administration to develop a balanced
package of conservation funding within the overall context of our
common goal of deficit reduction.
Question 182. What is your position on the rewrite of the National
Park Service Management Policies?
Answer. As I mentioned during the hearing, I do feel that periodic
evaluations of an agency's policies and practices can be a healthy and
productive undertaking. It is my understanding that the last policy
rewrite was done prior to September 11, 2001, and that these new
proposed policies reflect changes such as security measures for icons,
border security, and management efficiencies. Nonetheless, while I am
not familiar with all of the details of the management policies, if
confirmed, I look forward to learning more about this very important
matter.
Question 183. Do you believe that the National Park Service is
currently striking the appropriate balance between conservation and
recreational use?
Answer. The National Park Service is in the extremely challenging
position of trying to conserve park resources while providing for the
enjoyment of those resources in such manner and by such means as will
leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations. If
confirmed, I look forward to working with the National Park Service to
meet this important challenge.
Question 184. What direction do you think the Park Service needs to
move towards?
Answer. I have been advised that visitor satisfaction of the
National Parks remains high. Many challenges face our National Parks,
and if confirmed, I look forward to working to ensure that the National
Park Service has the tools to meet those challenges.
Question 185. The National Park Service went through a reductive
reorganization this past year, and has been evaluating the
administration of the federal historic rehabilitation tax credit
program. National Heritage Areas were moved out of the NPS general
budget, cut in half and added to the Historic Preservation Fund as a
competitive grant program; this will have a significant, negative
impact on the pending Crossroads of the American Revolution Heritage
Area in New Jersey. The budget for Preservation and Recreation Programs
within the NPS has been cut. These recent changes suggest a rethinking
about historic preservation's relevance within the NPS in general.
What do you see as the future of historic preservation--and the
federal government's responsibility to maintain our shared heritage for
this and future generations--within the National Park Service?
Answer. The National Park Service plays a critical role in
preserving and interpreting America's historic heritage through its
management of parks established to protect historic and cultural
resources. The National Park Service also has an important role in
administering the Historic Preservation Act, including grants to state
historic preservation officers. I have been advised that the
President's budget proposes a new initiative, the America's Heritage
and Preservation Partnership Program, to provide educational,
recreational, and conservation benefits for the American public through
partnerships with other Federal, State, and local agencies, and non-
profit organizations. The National Park Service's mission should
continue to be the protection of our nation's natural, cultural, and
heritage resources designated as National Parks.
Question 186. Are you familiar with the proposal to place a WalMart
in Pennsville, New Jersey, within the congressionally approved
acquisition area of the Supawna Wildlife Refuge? What are your opinions
of this proposal?
Answer. I am not familiar with the proposal to build a WalMart in
this location or what role the Interior Department may have in that
decision. If I am confirmed, I will look into this matter.
Question 187. The National Wildlife Refuge System, established by
Teddy Roosevelt, celebrated its centennial in 2003. The administration
celebrated the refuge centennial by requesting a significant increase
in refuge operations and maintenance funding. Since then, however, the
administration's requests for refuge funding have not kept pace with
escalating costs. The Fish and Wildlife Service now has to consolidate
refuge management, reducing on-site staff, removing staff entirely from
some refuges. They now have to cut biological monitoring, habitat
management, and visitor use programs. Patuxent Research Refuge, just a
few miles from here has cut its public use hours down to the point most
people cannot enjoy the refuge after work or on Holidays. Refuges
provide habitat for hundreds of endangered species, and if they cannot
manage habitat and populations decline, that affects private landowners
as well. As Secretary, what will you do to ensure that the Refuge
System is adequately funded?
Answer. I have been fortunate in my life to enjoy some wonderful
experiences with wildlife, and I have a particular appreciation for
bald eagles, peregrine falcons, and the other magnificent birds of
prey. Many National Wildlife Refuges were established to provide
habitat for these great birds, as well as for hundreds of other
species. If confirmed, I would consider the funding needs of the Refuge
System within the overall context of the President's FY 08 budget
request.
Question 188. Do you support banning ATVs from the Delaware Water
Gap, coastal National Wildlife Refuges, and other federally-managed
properties in New Jersey?
Answer. From my experience as Governor of Idaho, I know there are
many concerns that could come to bear on the use of ATV's on Federally-
managed lands. I am not aware of the details of this issue.
However, just as with different categories of State lands in Idaho,
I understand there are many types of Federally-managed lands, such as
National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges, each of which can have
unique restrictions or allowances regarding their use by the public. If
confirmed, I will work with Congress and the public to ensure our
policies regarding use of ATV's are appropriate for lands under the
jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior.
Question 189. Would you be supportive of obtaining money for the
Highlands Conservation Act?
Answer. I am not familiar with the Highlands Conservation Act, but
if confirmed I look forward to learning more about it.
Question 190. Would you encourage the participation of Federal Land
Managers in land use decisions to protect federal lands and other
federal resources from the effects of local and state land use and
environmental decisions?
Answer. I believe it is important that Federal land managers work
cooperatively with state and local governments to reach consensus on
issues that involve the wise use and conservation of Federal lands. In
this way, we can avoid costly legal battles. In many areas, Congress
has provided clear authority to protect certain land characteristics
and values. I am committed to carrying out that clear Congressional
direction and to the good stewardship of the Federal lands.
Question 191. Would you support additional Wild and Scenic River
designations in New Jersey?
Answer. I have been advised that there is a bill pending in
Congress, supported by the Department, to designate the Musconetcong
River in New Jersey. If confirmed, I look forward to continuing to
support this legislation and reviewing any other future proposed
designations.
Question 192. Would you support regulations that would strengthen
protections for rivers that are already designated as Wild and Scenic,
particularly from local and state land use and environmental decisions?
Answer. I believe Wild and Scenic Rivers are a tremendous asset. In
my home State of Idaho, we have approximately 350 miles of river
designated as wild and scenic, including 79 miles of the Salmon River,
the longest free flowing river within the boundaries of one state in
the lower 48. While I believe the current Act includes strong language
ensuring protection against land use and environmental decisions, it is
always prudent to review current regulations, and I will be pleased to
do so if confirmed.
Question 193. Do you intend to use your authority as Secretary of
the Interior to protect public lands from air pollution emanating from
sources located on private land? From air pollution emanating from
sources on other public lands?
Answer. If confirmed, I will make certain that the Department of
the Interior works to address issues of this nature in accordance with
relevant law and in consultation with states and the Environmental
Protection Agency.
Question 194. Would DOI ever consider taking legal action against
facilities that emit acid rain-causing pollutants into the air where
those pollutants cause harm to federal lands and streams on those
lands? If not, how do you intend to protect the federal lands from this
assault?
Answer. If confirmed, I would ensure that the Department of the
Interior would consider all appropriate actions in cases of this
nature.
Question 195. What do you think the current problems are with the
Endangered Species Act?
Answer. Primarily, ESA needs more follow through to recover listed
species. For example, the process of consultation with the action
agencies has a tendency to get unreasonably delayed, taking money and
effort away from recovery work. Even the process by which habitat
conservation planning and conservation permits are provided to private
parties under Section 10 has proven hugely expensive and time
consuming, and these programs are intended to help species.
Finally, rarely do we hear about an endangered species without
reference to a lawsuit; while that is great for attorneys, litigation
rarely helps the species. Too often, money that could otherwise be used
for on-the-ground habitat restoration and recovery projects is siphoned
away to pay for virtually never-ending legal battles. The sad truth is
that the ESA too often leads to conflict, when instead, it should lead
to cooperation, conservation, and ultimately, recovery of the species.
Question 196. Do you support proposed changes to the ESA that would
alter the current critical habitat provisions of the act? If so, why?
If not, why not?
Answer. I believe we need to take a holistic approach to ESA
reform. Our ultimate goal should be to support those changes that help
us recover species. I look forward to working with Congress to update
and improve the ESA.
Question 197. What do you think of the endangered species bill that
passed the House last year? Do you support it?
Answer. As my record reflects, as both Senator and as Governor of
Idaho, I am committed to working to improve the Endangered Species Act.
I am not fully aware of the details of the bill, but I will review the
bill, and if confirmed, I will work with Congress to improve the
ability of the ESA to recover species.
Question 198. What is your position on regulations or changes to
the Endangered Species Act allowing federal agencies like the Forest
Service or Corps of Engineers to self-consult under section 7 of the
Endangered Species Act?
Answer. Although I am aware of the consulting requirements
established by section 7 of the ESA, I have not had the opportunity to
consider this particular issue. If I am confirmed as Secretary, finding
ways to improve implementation of the ESA that support and promote
species recovery will be a high priority.
Question 199. How do you feel about adding new species to the
endangered list?
Answer. I believe that adding new species to the list may be
necessary when all other measures have failed. However, the first
priority should be focusing on species conservation in partnership with
States and private landowners so that listing is not necessary.
Think about this in terms of what happens in a hospital emergency
room. We would never accept a health care system in which the ambulance
delivers the patient, the emergency room takes their name and vital
signs and then moves them to the waiting room where the never see a
doctor. If I go to the hospital, I expect to be treated and release,
not admitted and ignored. Unfortunately, under the ESA, that is exactly
the system we accept.
Moreover, some contend that the ESA has benefited listed species by
simply preventing their extinction. Even if we're generous and assume
this is true for many species, I still have one question: Are we
satisfied? Listing alone doesn't ensure recovery for a species which is
the goal of the ESA. If we are going to list a species, we should also
be committed to its recovery and delisting.
Question 200. Do you support the waiver of environmental laws
pursuant to the REAL ID Act, where such waivers would allow the
construction of border barriers and roads on DOI-administered lands?
Answer. I believe there is a need to assess these matters on a
case-by-case basis. If confirmed, I will work with the Department of
Homeland Security to achieve an appropriate balance between border
security and environmental protection.
Question 201. In June of last year, GAO found that because the
Bureau of Land Management had approved over three times as many oil and
gas permits in 2004 as it had in 1999, it was having a hard time
meeting its environmental mitigation responsibilities. As Secretary,
would you intend to increase the amount of environmental mitigation
work that BLM performs? Specifically, would you be willing to hire more
people to cover environmental responsibilities?
Answer. If confirmed as Secretary, environmental compliance will be
a priority for me. I understand that the Energy Policy Act of 2005
provides additional tools and funding to assure environmentally-
responsible energy development, and it is my understanding that the
President's FY 07 budget proposes a significant increase in funding for
monitoring. I look forward to working with the Congress to continue to
ensure environmental compliance while providing responsible energy
development.
Question 202. GAO also recommended that BLM begin assessing fees
for processing oil and gas permits. Interior agreed with the
recommendation. Do you agree that assessing fees for permit processing
is a good idea, and do you intend to move expeditiously to implementing
the recommendation if confirmed?
Answer. I agree that assessing fees can be a good idea when
appropriate and in the public interest. If I am confirmed, I will need
to review this specific matter more thoroughly before offering an
opinion.
Question 203. Governor, when it comes to comments on the 5-year-
plan, do you believe that only states adjacent to the planning area
should be considered?
Answer. MMS informs me that comments are actively sought from
Governors of all coastal states during development of the 5-Year OCS
Program. Additionally, the Department considers all comments from all
parties submitted during the development of the 5-Year OCS Plan.
Question 204. Will you instruct MMS to hold a public hearing in New
Jersey when the Draft EIS comes out?
Answer. As a governor, I understand how important it is for the
views of your state to be heard in order to ensure that policy makers
make more informed decisions. In the event the draft Environmental
Impact Statement and the proposed plan include any activity on the
Atlantic seaboard, I will commit that, if confirmed, Departmental
personnel will work with you to ensure that a meeting is scheduled to
hear views concerning such activity.
Question 205. Governor, are you familiar with a bill currently in
the House, H.R. 4318, which would end all moratoria and withdrawals on
the outer continental shelf for gas-only leasing? Do you have an
opinion on that bill? Do you believe that gas-only leasing is feasible?
Answer. I am not familiar with this bill, and I have not yet had
the opportunity to learn about the feasibility of gas-only leasing. If
confirmed, I would be happy to further discuss the issue with you.
Appendix II
Additional Material Submitted for the Record
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May 1, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
Ranking Member, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Domenici and Senator Bingaman: We strongly support
the confirmation of Governor Dirk Kempthorne for U.S. Secretary of the
Interior. As a colleague, we have all worked with him in a bipartisan
manner and found him to be an individual of great intelligence,
honesty, and integrity. Furthermore, being a Governor of a western
state he has a vast understanding of federal lands and the federal-
state relationship in managing those lands and vital natural resources.
We urge your committee to support Governor Kempthorne's
confirmation and look forward to a quick vote by the Senate.
Sincerely,
Governor Mike Huckabee, Arkansas; Governor Janet
Napolitano, Arizona; Governor Bob Riley,
Alabama; Governor Frank H. Murkowski,
Alaska; Governor Togiola T.A. Tulafono,
American Samoa; Governor Arnold
Schwarzenegger, California; Governor Bill
Owens, Colorado; Governor Ruth Ann Minner,
Delaware; Governor Jeb Bush, Florida;
Governor Sonny Perdue, Georgia; Governor
Linda Lingle, Hawaii; Governor Mitch
Daniels, Indiana; Governor Thomas J.
Vilsack, Iowa; Governor Kathleen Sebelius,
Kansas; Governor Ernie Fletcher, Kentucky;
Governor John Baldacci, Maine; Governor
Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., Maryland; Governor
Mitt Romney, Massachusetts; Governor Tim
Pawlenty, Minnesota; Governor Matt Blunt,
Missouri; Governor Haley Barbour,
Mississippi; Governor Dave Heineman,
Nebraska; Governor Kenny C. Guinn, Nevada;
Governor Bill Richardson, New Mexico;
Governor George E. Pataki, New York;
Governor John Hoeven, North Dakota;
Governor Bob Taft, Ohio; Governor Brad
Henry, Oklahoma; Governor Theodore
Kulongoski, Oregon; Governor Donald L.
Carcieri, Rhode Island; Governor Mark
Sanford, South Carolina; Governor M.
Michael Rounds, South Dakota; Governor Phil
Bredesen, Tennessee; Governor Rick Perry,
Texas; Governor John Huntsman Jr., Utah;
GovernorJim Douglas, Vermont; Governor
Timothy M. Kaine, Virginia; Governor
Christine O. Gregoire, Washington; Governor
Joe Manchin III, West Virginia; Governor
Dave Freudenthal, Wyoming.
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Statement of Steve Guerber, State Historic Preservation Officer for
Idaho, and Executive Director of the Idaho State Historical Society
On behalf of the National Conference of State Historic Preservation
Officers, I offer this testimony in support of the confirmation of
Governor Dirk Kempthorne as Secretary of the United States Department
of the Interior.
I have known Governor Kempthorne since 1986, the year we were both
elected Mayor of our respective Idaho cities (he the Mayor of Boise and
I the Mayor of nearby Eagle). Since then I have maintained a
relationship while serving as CEO of the Idaho Community Foundation
and, most recently, as Executive Director of the Idaho State Historical
Society, an agency of state government.
Throughout the relationship, I found an important attribute of
Governor Kempthorne to be a desire to build coalitions in dealing with
issues and solving problems. Although the ultimate outcome of a final
decision was not always acceptable to all parties involved, there was
rarely a legitimate complaint that input was not solicited or given
consideration. (As with Congress, not everyone is likely to be happy
with the outcome of all his future such decisions and Governor
Kempthorne would understand that in fulfilling his duties as Secretary
of the Interior). The ability to listen and seek compromise should
contribute to his being a good administrator of the U.S. Department of
the Interior.
From the standpoint of historic preservation, the National Council
of State Historic Preservation Officers believes Governor Kempthorne is
well qualified to assume the responsibilities of the Secretary of the
Interior and, more specifically, to administer the program created 40
years ago by the National Historic Preservation Act. The Act gives the
Secretary the responsibility for the National Register of Historic
Places, $3 billion a year in rehabilitation programs, and a partnership
relationship with Certified Local Governments (CLGs) throughout the
United States. The first Secretary of the Interior chose to carry out
such preservation program in partnership with the States, and since
1966 every Governor has appointed a State Historic Preservation Officer
to implement the Act for the Department.
During his tenure as Mayor of Boise from 1986 to 1993, Governor
Kempthorne gained important historic preservation experience from the
local standpoint. In 1986 Boise became an official partner in the
National Historic Preservation Program by becoming a Certified Local
Government with his support. (Added to the Act in 1980, the CLG program
works through the State Historic Preservation Office to bring the
national preservation program to the local level). CLGs are eligible
for Historic Preservation Fund grants (10% of a State's total
allocation) and responsible for the National Register nominations
within their jurisdiction.
The State Historic Preservation Officers have a direct interest in
such duties as they relate to the Secretary of the Interior. Under the
National Historic Preservation Act (16 U.S.C. 470), the State Historic
Preservation Officers ``work'' for the Secretary in carrying out the
nation's historic preservation program. The Secretary sets the
standards and policies for historic preservation activity and the State
Historic Preservation Officers put the standards and policies into
practice.
I was appointed State Historic Preservation Officer for Idaho in
1997 by Governor Kempthorne. In that capacity, I have worked with him
on several historic preservation projects ranging from preparations
related to the planned restoration of the Idaho State Capitol and the
adjacent Ada County Courthouse to the renovation of the Governor
Alexander House. The Governor led the effort to acquire the historic
Borah Station Federal Building for use as a State office building. The
Governor also worked to secure funding for Idaho's state parks that
included support for preservation of historic sites and restoration of
buildings of historic significance in them.
It is clear that Governor Kempthorne knows the National Historic
Preservation Program from the grass roots side. Work by the Governor's
Lewis and Clark Trail Committee led to Idaho's important contributions
to the nation's celebration of that bicentennial. He was also
instrumental in transfer of the J. Curtis Earl Collection (a world-
class exhibit of arms and military memorabilia) to ownership of the
Idaho State Historical Society.
Further, it is apparent to anyone visiting his office in the Idaho
State Capitol Building that Governor Kempthorne has a personal passion
for history. In addition to the pieces of historic furniture and
artifacts on loan from the Idaho State Historical Society that enhance
the room at his request, his personal collection of Civil War-related
items may reveal a ``kid in a candy shop'' approach that is likely to
exist in his relationship with the National Park Service, those
particular historic sites, and his duties as Secretary of the Interior
to oversee their operation and protection.
Governor Kempthorne understands the ``mixed use'' nature of
historic preservation. Unlike a strict conservation approach that
treats historic places as museums, the National Historic Preservation
Program seeks to preserve our nation's historic places by using them in
our daily lives. Historic places when appropriately restored and
marketed create a heritage tourism destination that can generate
important income for the local economy. The related rehabilitation tax
credit offers a federal income tax incentive that encourages the
private sector to rehabilitate historic buildings for adaptive reuse
for commercial and residential purposes that is generating a national
investment of over $2 billion annually.
My colleagues from throughout the country in the National
Conference of State Historic Preservation Officers share my support for
having an Interior Secretary who knows first hand the benefits of
historic preservation as accomplished by State Historic Preservation
Offices. They not only know of the high expectations of the Department
of the Interior for State activities, but of the disconnect that exists
between Interior's expectations and Interior's budgetary
recommendations for the States.
Finally, the variety of historic preservation experience developed
by Governor Kempthorne during his career should be useful in fulfilling
the Department's budget priority of Preserve America. Initiated by
President George W. Bush and the First Lady, Preserve America is the
government-wide program that encourages exploration and enjoyment of
our American heritage. The State Historic Preservation Officers lay the
foundation for historic preservation in America. We look forward to an
opportunity to strengthen the State historic preservation role in
Preserve America and in the Department under the leadership of Governor
Kempthorne.
Thus, I personally and on behalf of the National Conference of
State Historic Preservation Officers urge speedy confirmation of my
friend Dirk Kempthorne as Secretary of the Interior.
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Coeur D'Alene Tribe,
Plummer, ID, April 13, 2006.
Hon. Larry E. Craig,
Chairman, Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests, Committee on Energy
and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Craig: On behalf of the Coeur d'Alene Tribe (Tribe), I
am conveying our support for Governor Dirk Kempthorne to be
expeditiously and affirmatively confirmed as the next Secretary of the
Interior. The Tribe believes that Mr. Kempthorne has a proven record of
public service and has engaged in numerous public policy decisions that
have given him the experience to serve the United States as the
Secretary of Interior. As you well know, the state of Idaho has public
land and natural resources that Mr. Kempthorne exercised stewardship
over when he was the Governor of Idaho.
Mr. Kempthorne's immersion in issues related to public lands and
natural resources in the beautiful western state of Idaho has provided
him the foundation to be an experienced Secretary of Interior that will
be accountable for managing a majority of America's public land and
resources. In addition, Mr. Kempthorne has had to establish and
maintain effective relationships with the five Indian tribes that have
always called Idaho home. The Tribe has worked constructively with Mr.
Kempthorne on a wide range of issues including environmental concerns,
governmental regulation, education, and gaming. While we may not have
always agreed on every issue that we addressed with Mr. Kempthorne, we
have constructed a mutually beneficial relationship marked by open
dialogue and free exchange of ideas.
The Tribe would hope that Congress stresses the solemn fiduciary
duty that Mr. Kempthorne would have to uphold as the Secretary of
Interior with regard to Indian tribes nationwide. As a part of that
duty, the Tribe would consider Mr. Kempthorne as an equal partner in
ensuring that Indian tribes' resources, homelands, and government are
protected so that the road to true self-determination might be
enriched. The Tribe sincerely hopes that Mr. Kempthorne's confirmation
is positively moved forward and stands ready to assist you in any way
possible. If you need additional information or require assistance,
please contact my legislative director, Quanah Spencer, by telephone at
(208) 686-0803 or by e-mail at [email protected].
Sincerely,
Chief J. Allan,
Chairman.
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Statement of the National American Indian Housing Council
INTERIOR SECRETARY NOMINEE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ON INDIAN ISSUES; SOLID
RELATIONSHIP WITH TRIBES IS PROMISING FOR INTERIOR
WASHINGTON--March 27, 2006--The National American Indian Housing
Council (NAIHC) congratulates Gov. Dirk Kempthorne on his nomination as
Interior Secretary and is encouraged by his positive relationship with
tribes as the governor of Idaho. NAIHC hopes that this will translate
into a positive government-to-government relationship with tribes
across the country as they work towards their self-determined goals for
quality affordable housing and other needs.
President Bush nominated Kempthorne to the Interior Department
Secretary position on March 16, to replace current Secretary Gale
Norton, who announced her resignation March 10 after 5 years in the
position. The Senate must confirm Kempthorne, however no hearing date
has been announced. During the Senate confirmation process it is
important to look at Indian issues, including housing. The Bureau of
Indian Affairs (BIA) is one of the largest bureaus within Interior and
impacts the quality of life for more than two million Native Americans,
say NAIHC leaders.
``Overall needs of Native Americans remain unmet, such as basic
infrastructure in their communities, quality affordable housing,
education and health care,'' said NAIHC Chairman Chester Carl. ``As 12%
of Native Americans lack plumbing facilities, 11% lack kitchen
facilities, 90,000 Native families are homeless or under-housed and
14.7% of homes are overcrowded, the Interior Department Secretary must
be ready to take on these challenges.''
BIA Head Should Be Appointed Quickly
As head of Interior NAIHC hopes Kempthorne would nominate a new
Deputy Secretary for the BIA quickly. This position has been vacant for
more than a year. A new BIA head would help to implement the Title
Status Report (TSR) Policy MOU that is intended to expedite mortgage
transactions on tribal trust land, producing many benefits for Indian
housing. The MOU guarantees that a BIA staff person will be able to
certify TSRs within 30 days.
Kempthorne Has Solid Reputation with Tribes in Idaho
As governor, Kempthorne has collaborated with tribes on gaming
compacts, signed agreements to recognize tribal sovereignty, water
rights and other disputes. NAIHC hopes that this collaboration and
understanding of tribal sovereignty will continue into the Interior
position.
``If confirmed, Gov. Kempthorne will be responsible for honoring
tribal sovereignty and respecting the need for consultation and
collaboration in Indian country on all issues,'' said NAIHC Executive
Director Gary Gordon. ``This includes collaborating with the Housing
and Urban Development department and tribes on the sometimes deeply
disturbing realities of housing and infrastructure needs in Indian
country.''
The Coeur d'Alene Tribe in Idaho issued a statement last week
stating that Gov. Kempthorne is fit to be the Interior Secretary.
``Coeur d'Alene has constructed a solid foundation working with Gov.
Kempthorne on a wide range of issues including gaming and environmental
concerns,'' said Quanah Spencer, Legislative and Public Affairs
Director. The tribe's chairman, Chief J. Allan, ``mopes to continue
that relationship, the trustee relationship with tribes firmly at the
center.''
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Statement of The Trust for Public Land
SAN FRANCISCO--Alan Front, Senior Vice President of The Trust for
Public Land, today issued the following statement on the nomination of
Governor Dirk Kempthorne of Idaho to be the next Secretary of the
Interior:
``The Trust for Public Land appreciates Governor Kempthorne's
abiding commitment to the conservation of wildlife habitat, recreation
lands and access, natural and scenic landscapes, and other resource
areas. Throughout his career, he has rightly placed a high priority on
programs and projects that resolve land-use challenges faced by
communities and property owners by securing threatened resource
properties for public use and enjoyment. Among the positive results in
recent years of Governor Kempthorne's focused personal efforts on
behalf of conservation is the strong Forest Legacy program he
established in Idaho, which is helping to ensure that some of the
state's most treasured landscapes will continue to provide their
natural, recreation, and economic bounty to the generations to come.''
``In the next few years, America's public land resources and the
communities that depend on them will face unprecedented challenges. We
hope and expect that Governor Kempthorne, as Secretary of the Interior,
would bring his considerable conservation perspective, experience, and
leadership to bear on the key land protection decisions before the
nation. We look forward to working with him to take full advantage of
the conservation opportunities that bring the greatest benefits to
America's resources, communities, and the public at large.''
The Trust for Public Land, established in 1972, specializes in
conservation real estate, applying its expertise in negotiations,
public finance, and law to protect land for people to enjoy as parks,
greenways, community gardens, urban playgrounds, and wilderness. With
funding from the Forest Legacy Program, the federal Land & Water
Conservation Fund, state and local open-space funds, and other public
and private investments, TPL has helped to protect more than 2 million
acres across the country. For more information, visit TPL on the web at
www.tpl.org.
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National Water Resources Association,
Arlington, VA, May 1, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
Ranking Member, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Domenici and Ranking Member Bingaman: On behalf of
the Board of Directors of the National Water Resources Association,
NWRA, we would like to express our support for the nomination of
Governor Dirk Kempthorne as the next Secretary of the Department of
Interior. As water users in the 17 Western States, the Department of
the Interior plays an integral role in the communities and livelihoods
of our members.
Governor Kempthorne has a deep understanding of the western water
issues important to our members. As a consensus builder, Governor
Kempthorne has a history of working with both sides of the isle to
develop workable solutions to western land and water resource problems.
As Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Drinking Water,
Fisheries, and Wildlife, Governor Kempthorne worked tirelessly and on a
successful bipartisan effort to pass the Safe Drinking Water Act. of
1996. Governor Kempthorne also possesses a wide breadth of knowledge
and understanding about the importance of working in a positive manner
to update the Endangered Species Act. His legislation, the Endangered
Species Recovery Act of 1997, S. 1180, though unsuccessful, made much
progress in forging bipartisan support for improving the act for
species and people. Under his leadership, Idaho has become a model for
developing positive solutions for endangered species protection that
respect private property and state laws.
NWRA strongly supports the President's nomination of Governor
Kempthorne and we urge the Senate to confirm his nomination.
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Sincerely,
Thomas F. Donnelly,
Executive Director.
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American Public Human Services Association,
Washington, DC, March 28, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Domenici: I am writing on behalf of the American
Public Human Services Association (APHSA) in support of the nomination
of Governor Dirk Kempthorne as Secretary of the Interior. Governor
Kempthorne has dedicated the past two decades to a career in public
service--first as Mayor of Boise, United States Senator and Governor.
Through those years, he has attained positions of national leadership--
as President of the Council of State Governments and Chairman of the
National Governors Association (NGA).
Governor Kempthorne's efforts to preserve the national resources of
the West are well-known and he has used his office to work with Western
Governors to forge consensus strategies to protect those resources.
APHSA knows Governor Kempthorne best through his initiatives and
accomplishments in the areas of health and human services for the
children and elderly of Idaho. It was his vision to launch the
``Generation of the Child'' to improve health and well-being of Idaho's
children and his priority to explore the future of long term care
services in this county when he led the NGA.
Governor Kempthorne is a man of vision and a leader with the
passion and intelligence to tackle issues that will confront this
nation in the future. We urge your support for his nomination as
Secretary of the Interior.
Sincerely,
Jerry W. Friedman,
Executive Director.
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The Foundation for Environmental and Economic Progress,
Washington, DC, April 24, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Re: Support for the Nomination of Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne as
Secretary, Department of the Interior
Dear Mr. Chairman: I am writing on behalf of the Foundation for
Environmental and Economic Progress (``the Foundation'' or ``FEEP'') to
express support for the nomination of Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne as
Secretary of the Interior. As a former mayor and Senator, and as a
current Governor, Governor Kempthorne is uniquely qualified to work
effectively with federal, state, and local officials to ensure wise
stewardship of our nation's resources.
The Foundation is a national coalition of land-holding companies
that advances balanced federal environmental law and policy affecting
private land use. Foundation members have met regularly with
Administration officials, testified at numerous Congressional hearings,
and provided input to House and Senate members and their staffs
regarding various alternative wetlands and endangered species
proposals. We were pleased to work with then Senator Kempthorne on S.
1180, the Endangered Species Recovery Act of 1997. With strong
bipartisan support, Senator Kempthorne drafted, negotiated, and led the
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works to report S. 1180.
Though S. 1180 ultimately was not signed into law, debates in the
current Congress on Endangered Species Act reform continue to cite S.
1180 as a favorable starting point for reform and applaud Senator
Kempthorne's efforts as a model of consensus building.
Governor Kempthorne's experience at the local, federal, and state
level will serve him well in his role as Secretary of the Interior. We
urge the Committee to quickly report his nomination to the full Senate.
Sincerely,
Virginia S. Albrecht,
Director of Government Affairs & General Counsel.
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Western Governors' Association,
Washington, DC, May 3, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Hon. Jeff Bingaman,
Ranking Minority Member, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources,
U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Domenici and Ranking Member Bingaman: On behalf of
the membership of the Western Governors' Association, we are writing to
express our unqualified support for Governor Dirk Kempthorne's
nomination to be the next Secretary of the Interior. Governor
Kempthorne was elected Idaho's 30th Governor in 1998 and was re-elected
in 2002. As Governor, he has put forward initiatives to foster rural
economic development, improve overseas marketing of Idaho products, and
promote greater integration of the state's scientific, educational, and
business communities. Idaho's children have also been his priority. He
has established a range of programs to ensure that Idaho's children are
healthy and well educated.
Governor Kempthorne has actively participated in the Western
Governors' Association throughout his tenure and served as our Chairman
in 2001. He is currently or has been a leader on a number of key WGA
issues including forest health, Endangered Species Act reform, energy
policy and drug policy.
He has been particularly active on our forest health efforts. In
response to the devastating wildfires that struck Idaho and many other
western states in the summer of 2000, Governor Kempthorne worked
closely with the Governor of Oregon to develop the 10-Year
Comprehensive Strategy: A Collaborative Approach for Reducing Wildland
Fire Risks to Communities and the Environment. He brought together his
colleagues, the Secretaries of the Interior and Agriculture, local and
tribal governments and a wide range of stakeholders to fundamentally
shift our nation's approach to addressing forest health. He has worked
effectively to implement this Strategy both through WGA and as the sole
representative of all the Governors on the Wildland Fire Leadership
Council.
The Western Governors believe Governor Kempthorne possesses
extraordinary leadership skills and a keen understanding of public
lands issues. He is highly qualified to become the 491 Secretary of the
Department of the Interior. We urge the Senate to confirm him
expeditiously and look forward to working closely with him thereafter.
Thank you for your consideration of our views.
Sincerely,
Janet Napolitano,
Governor of Arizona.
M. Michael Rounds,
Governor of South Dakota.
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Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection,
Harrisburg, PA, March 22, 2006.
Hon. Pete V. Domenici,
Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Domenici: I am writing to express my personal regard
for Governor Dirk Kempthorne.
I want to make clear at the outset that I consider the policies of
the Bush Administration with respect to public land management,
environmental protection and conservation to be terribly misguided. The
President has purpled a radical course that compromises our strength
and security as a nation by squandering our natural capital.
Dirk Kempthorne, however, in my experience, has been a different
kind of leader: I have found him open to discussion and inviting of
varied perspectives I have found him to be measured, judicious and
sober in his exercise of authority.
When I was before the U.S. Senate for confirmation as Chairman of
the White House Council on Environmental Quality in 1994, then-Senator
Kempthorne supported my nomination and worked to secure the support of
his colleagues. He was clear at the time that he did not agree with all
of the policies I had helped to formulate on behalf of President Bill
Clinton with respect to resource and species conservation. In fact, on
some policies he was strongly and publicly in disagreement with me.
Nonetheless, he took a tough stand on my behalf because he felt that I
had acted honestly, openly and with consideration of solid ecological
science. In other words, in my mind he acted with integrity instead of
just on the basis of political expediency.
Later, then-Senator Kempthorne reached out to me and my colleagues
In the Administration in an effort to forge a compromise concerning the
Endangered Species Act. Other Republican leaders then, as unfortunately
continues today, were promoting legislation that essentially
eviscerated the Act. Dirk Kempthorne, however, was willing to
acknowledge that the Clinton Administration already had implemented
important reforms to the program that we were both more protective of
species and more sensitive to private property concerns. Dirk
Kempthorne then acted to build his legislative proposal on those
Clinton Administration innovations and invited us to the table to
fashion a proposal that could actually gain support and work.
In summary, it is my experience that Dirk Kempthorne is a man of
principle and not just of politics. And it is my hope that, if
confirmed by the U.S. Senate, Governor Kempthorne will work to restore
balance, respect for science and genuine commitment to the responsible
protection of our natural resources--all now sorely and sadly lacking
at the U.S. Department of the Interior.
In closing and at his express request, I would like to note that
Pennsylvania Governor Edward G. Rendell extends his best regards to
Governor Kempthorne as well. Governor Rendell holds Governor Kempthorne
in the highest personal esteem and considers him a person of strong
character and integrity.
Sincerely,
Kathleen A. McGinty,
Secretary.