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                  REVIEW OF CREDIT UNION TAX EXEMPTION

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                                HEARING

                               before the

                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                     U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                       ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

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                            NOVEMBER 3, 2005

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                           Serial No. 109-38

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                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

                   BILL THOMAS, California, Chairman

E. CLAY SHAW, JR., Florida           CHARLES B. RANGEL, New York
NANCY L. JOHNSON, Connecticut        FORTNEY PETE STARK, California
WALLY HERGER, California             SANDER M. LEVIN, Michigan
JIM MCCRERY, Louisiana               BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland
DAVE CAMP, Michigan                  JIM MCDERMOTT, Washington
JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota               JOHN LEWIS, Georgia
JIM NUSSLE, Iowa                     RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
SAM JOHNSON, Texas                   MICHAEL R. MCNULTY, New York
PHIL ENGLISH, Pennsylvania           WILLIAM J. JEFFERSON, Louisiana
J.D. HAYWORTH, Arizona               JOHN S. TANNER, Tennessee
JERRY WELLER., Illinois              XAVIER BECERRA, California
KENNY C. HULSHOF, Missouri           LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
RON LEWIS, Kentucky                  EARL POMEROY, North Dakota
MARK FOLEY, Florida                  STEPHANIE TUBBS JONES, Ohio
KEVIN BRADY, Texas                   MIKE THOMPSON, California
THOMAS M. REYNOLDS, New York         JOHN B. LARSON, Connecticut
PAUL RYAN, Wisconsin                 RAHM EMANUEL, Illinois
ERIC CANTOR, Virginia
JOHN LINDER, Georgia
BOB BEAUPREZ, Colorado
MELISSA A. HART, Pennsylvania
CHRIS CHOCOLA, Indiana
DEVIN NUNES, California

                    Allison H. Giles, Chief of Staff
                  Janice Mays, Minority Chief Counsel

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                            C O N T E N T S

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Advisories announcing the hearing................................     2

                               WITNESSES

National Credit Union Administration, the Honorable JoAnn 
  Johnson, Chairman; accompanied by Robert Fenner, General 
  Counsel........................................................     6
Internal Revenue Service, Tax-Exempt and Government Entities 
  Division, Steven T. Miller, Commissioner.......................    17
U.S. Government Accountability Office, Financial Markets and 
  Community Investment, Richard J. Hillman, Managing Director....    22

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American Bankers Association, and First National Bank of Waverly, 
  Jeff L. Plagge.................................................   116
America's Community Bankers, and Litchfield Bancorp, Mark E. 
  Macomber.......................................................   130
Credit Union National Association, and Greater El Paso's Credit 
  Union, Harriet May.............................................    93
Independent Community Bankers of America, and Security Bank, 
  Dyersburg, Tennessee, David E. Hayes...........................   124
National Association of Federal Credit Unions, and Navy Federal 
  Credit Union, Vice Admiral Cutler Dawson, retired..............    80
National Community Reinvestment Coalition, John Taylor...........   174
National Credit Union Administration, the Honorable Norman E. 
  D'Amours.......................................................   164
Tulane-Loyola Federal Credit Union, Constance Kennelly...........   183
University of Nebraska-Lincoln, College of Business 
  Administration, Gordon V. Karels, Ph.D.........................   168

                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

Ayers, Walter, Virginia Bankers Association, Glen Allen, VA, 
  statement......................................................   197
Bartlett, Steve, Financial Services Roundtable, statement........   205
Becker, Fred, National Association of Federal Credit Unions, 
  Arlington, VA, letter..........................................   200
Chatfield, David, California Credit Union League, Rancho 
  Cucamonga, CA, letter..........................................   201
Dawson, Cutler, Navy Federal Credit Union, Vienna, VA, statement.   199
English, Phil, U.S. House of Representatives, statement..........   207
Gillespie, Donald J., A.M. Community Credit Union, Kenosha, WI, 
  letter.........................................................   207
Gittens, Lane, West Haven, UT, letter............................   210
Headlee, Howard, Utah Bankers Association, Salt Lake City, UT, 
  letter.........................................................   210
Heller, Thomas, Orlando, FL, statement...........................   211
Kerslake, Dale, Cascade Federal Credit Union, Kent, WA, letter...   211
Mica, Dan, Credit Union National Association, Washington, DC, 
  letter.........................................................   212
Minnesota Bankers Association, Edina, MN, statement..............   216
Oemichen, William, Wisconsin Federation of Cooperatives/Minnesota 
  Association of Cooperatives, Madison, WI, letter...............   219
Slach, Harold, Port Orchard, WA, statement.......................   220
Woodard, Thad, North Carolina Bankers Association, Raleigh, NC, 
  letter.........................................................   220

















                  REVIEW OF CREDIT UNION TAX EXEMPTION

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                       THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2005

                     U.S. House of Representatives,
                               Committee on Ways and Means,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:44 a.m., in 
room 1100, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Bill Thomas, 
(Chairman of the Committee), presiding.
    [The advisory and revised advisory announcing the hearing 
follow:]

ADVISORY

FROM THE 
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MEANS

                                                CONTACT: (202) 225-1721
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 27, 2005
No. FC-15

    Thomas Announces Hearing on Review of Credit Union Tax Exemption

    Congressman Bill Thomas (R-CA), Chairman of the Committee on Ways 
and Means, today announced that the Committee will hold a hearing 
titled, ``Review of Credit Union Tax Exemption.'' The hearing will take 
place on Thursday, November 3, 2005, in the main Committee hearing 
room, 1100 Longworth House Office Building, beginning at 10:00 a.m.
      
    In view of the limited time available to hear witnesses, oral 
testimony at this hearing will be from invited witnesses only. Invited 
witnesses will include representatives from the U.S. Government 
Accountability Office, the Internal Revenue Service, the National 
Credit Union Administration (NCUA), as well as academic experts and 
other interested parties. However, any individual or organization not 
scheduled for an oral appearance may submit a written statement for 
consideration by the Committee and for inclusion in the printed record 
of the hearing.
      

BACKGROUND:

      
    In 1934, the Federal Credit Union Act (FCUA) (P.L. 73-467) was 
signed into law, establishing a charter for Federal credit unions. 
Three years later, Congress provided for statutory tax exemption for 
Federal credit unions. At the time when the FCUA was enacted, there 
were approximately 2,350 credit unions operating in the United States 
with approximately 450,000 members and assets of $50 million. At the 
end of 2004, there were 9,483 credit unions with about 86.9 million 
members and assets totaling more than $674 billion dollars.
      
    There are varying explanations for why Congress granted tax-exempt 
status to credit unions. The most recent explanation can be found in 
the Credit Union Membership Access Act in 1998 (P.L. 105-219), where 
Congress stated in its findings that credit unions are tax-exempt 
because they ``are member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-
profit organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors 
and because they have the specified mission of meeting the credit and 
savings needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means.''
      
    Under current law, Federal credit unions are tax-exempt under 
section 501(c)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC). In order for a 
Federal credit union to be recognized as tax-exempt it needs to be 
chartered by the NCUA. State credit unions are tax-exempt under section 
501(c)(14) of the IRC. This provision requires that the credit union 
not have capital stock, and that it be organized and operated for 
mutual purposes and without profit.
      
    Credit unions are limited under their authorizing legislation both 
in terms of who they may serve and the services they offer. However, as 
credit unions have grown over time, they have been allowed to expand 
their range of services and their fields of membership. Some have 
questioned whether these changes in the credit union industry mean that 
many credit unions do not serve the goals for which the tax exemption 
was granted.
      
    The hearing will examine the following issues:
      
      The history of and Congress' rationale for providing tax 
exemption to credit unions;
      Whether credit unions are serving the goals intended with 
their tax-exempt status;
      The use of the tax benefit by credit unions; and
      Changes in the credit union industry, including the 
growth in credit union membership and services.
      
    In announcing the hearing, Chairman Thomas stated, ``This hearing 
continues the Committee's examination of the tax-exempt sector. When 
credit unions were granted their tax exempt status, they provided an 
important benefit to people of modest means. Credit unions have been 
statutorily tax-exempt for almost 70 years now, and it is important 
that Congress understand whether there is a strong justification for 
the tax exemption. Congress has an obligation to ask questions to 
ensure that the country is receiving something in exchange for the 
benefit of tax exemption.''
      

FOCUS OF THE HEARING:

      
    The hearing will examine the legal history of the tax exemption for 
credit unions, to determine whether credit unions are serving the goals 
intended with their tax-exempt status.
      

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ADVISORY

FROM THE 
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                                                CONTACT: (202) 225-1721
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 03, 2005
No. FC-15-Revised

   Change in Time for Hearing on Review of Credit Union Tax Exemption

    Congressman Bill Thomas (R-CA), Chairman of the Committee on Ways 
and Means, today announced that the Committee hearing titled, ``Review 
of Credit Union Tax Exemption,'' previously scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on 
Thursday, November 3, 2005, in the main Committee hearing room, 1100 
Longworth House Office Building, will now be held at 10:30 a.m.
    All other details for the hearing remain the same. (See Full 
Committee Advisory No. FC-15, dated October 27, 2005).

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. If we could ask our guests to find seats, 
please. Today, the Committee continues its series of oversight 
hearings on the tax-exempt sector. At this hearing we will 
focus on the tax-exemption provided to Federal and State credit 
unions. Credit unions have been statutorily tax-exempt for 
almost 70 years. Today, they have approximately 87 million 
members and combined assets of more than $674 billion. Yet, 
their tax status has received little scrutiny from Congress. In 
fact, this is the Committee's first hearing in 20 years devoted 
exclusively to credit union tax-exemption. Based upon e-mails 
sent around, newspaper articles generated and statements made, 
it appears as though some people think it is an affront to have 
the Committee ask the people who receive a benefit from the 
taxpayers of this country to come in and answer a few 
questions. They have even gone to the extent of apparently 
setting up a countdown calendar on how long I am going to 
remain chairman and how long they need to hunker down.
    Mr. RANGEL. How did that turn out?
    Chairman THOMAS. Several credit unions--far longer than you 
ever wanted it to, Charlie.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. RANGEL. I just asked.
    Chairman THOMAS. I just answered. We are going to hear over 
and over that Federal credit unions were created in 1934, and 
then received their tax-exempt status in 1937. But what I 
really want to do, since many people do not remember the 
banking structure from 1934 and 1937 and what it looked like at 
that time, that was the era in which the industry was examined 
and credit unions were established, because, no question, based 
upon the statute, Americans of modest means had difficulty 
obtaining credit at that time. Over the last 70 years, however, 
the financial service industry as a whole, and credit unions 
specifically, have changed a great deal. That is why it is 
important to periodically revisit the field and see if what did 
apply continues to apply. Or in evolving, in meeting those 
changing needs, the evolution, in fact, makes sense to the 
taxpayers who provide a very generous subsidy.
    If you examine what a credit union was when it first 
started and look at what credit unions are today, especially 
those that are the newest in emerging credit unions, you find 
out that you can have a credit union which is called the 
Congressional Federal Credit Union but supplies credit to a 
retail restaurant, to Legal Seafood, and to a law firm called 
Akin Gump, notwithstanding the fact it is called a 
``congressional credit union.'' When you deal with community 
charters, whatever local means, I find it somewhat amazing that 
a credit union can be chartered to have as its local community 
the county of Los Angeles, which has a population greater than 
42 States in the country. While the original credit unions 
offered limited services, many modern credit unions offer a 
wide variety of services. Increasingly credit unions are 
offering business loans to members, and through some 
affiliates, credit unions offer services that seem to be quite 
unrelated to their original mission. For example, health and 
dental insurance, automobile sales, or even pet insurance.
    So, as we begin to look at this, one of the concerns I have 
is not so much, although we will inquire, about the question of 
what is it that they do to continue to get the tax-exempt 
status. For example, when we examined nonprofit hospitals, we 
found that at one time they were required to provide services 
to the poor. That was eliminated sometime ago--hospitals are 
not even required to do that. However, I do think it should be 
noted that the original statement from the thirties offering 
people of modest means financial services was restated as 
recently as 1998 in legislation. So, that seems to be an 
ongoing theme. The concern that I have in today's world, as 
many of us were shocked in terms of things that were occurring 
in the corporate world, are focused primarily on the question 
of transparency, accountability, verifiability, the sorts of 
things that taxpayers if they were sitting here today would 
want to know to determine whether or not they are getting their 
money's worth in terms of not just the activities or the 
services that credit unions provide, but the way in which they 
are run, who gets the benefits, to what extent they have a 
comfort level that the accounting procedures are aboveboard, 
and match up to some of the new accounting procedures that 
Congress has passed on to entities that pay taxes. So, that is 
really the direction that Congress ought to engage in once 
every two decades. With that, I recognize the gentleman from 
New York for any statement he would like to make.
    Mr. RANGEL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Seventy-five years 
ago, a great concept came into being, and as a result of that, 
the lives of people have improved throughout the United States 
and, indeed, throughout the world, because 75 years ago, 
Charlie Rangel was born, and he certainly has made a 
difference.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. RANGEL. Of course, at the same time credit unions were 
created, and so those were two great things that happened 75 
years ago. It seems as though that they provided a great 
service to many people, and right here at Wright Patman I see 
the long line of members who are anxious to receive services 
here. I, like the chairman, welcome these positive, motivated 
hearings to see what we can do to improve the quality of 
service that we render. So, it is very interesting that 
hospitals would be on the same line of interest to the Chair 
that is the not-for-profits. But we do hope that at the end of 
this administration, if the public does not provide the service 
and we have not-for-profits providing the service, that 
something would be left for those people that are not among the 
powerful as relates to their lobbying interests. So, Mr. 
Chairman, let me thank you for openly having these hearings so 
that at least those of us who appreciate the great work that 
hospitals are doing and the credit unions are doing, we are 
able to let our constituents know the direction in which you 
are going. I reserve any other comments I might have.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. Our first panel 
today consists of the Honorable Mrs. Johnson, who is the 
Chairman of the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA); 
Steven T. Miller, Commissioner in the Internal Revenue Service, 
who has visited with us before; and Richard J. Hillman, who is 
the Managing Director, Financial Markets and Community 
Investment, U.S. Government Accountability Office, who has 
visited with us as well. Each of you has submitted written 
testimony, and it will be made a part of the record, without 
objection. The Chair and the Members look forward to hearing 
from each of you present the information you have, in any 
manner you see fit in the time that you have available to you. 
Let's start with Chairman Johnson and move across the panel.

  STATEMENT OF HON. JOANN JOHNSON, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL CREDIT 
  UNION ADMINISTRATION, ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA, ACCOMPANIED BY 
     ROBERT FENNER, GENERAL COUNSEL, NATIONAL CREDIT UNION 
                         ADMINISTRATION

    Ms. JOHNSON. Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel, and 
Members of the Committee, on behalf of the National Credit 
Union Administration, thank you for the opportunity to be here 
today to present NCUA's views on the credit union tax-
exemption. The NCUA acknowledges the support of this and 
previous Administrations, and also of Congress, favoring the 
continued tax-exemption for credit unions as important public 
policy. The NCUA's primary mission is to ensure the safety and 
soundness of federally insured credit unions. We fulfill this 
mission by examining, regulating, and insuring all Federal 
credit unions. In coordination with the State regulators, we 
participate in the supervision of federally insured State-
chartered credit unions. As credit union cooperatives, 
federally insured credit unions vary in size. However, their 
cooperative structure and purpose is identical. They are 
strongly capitalized and present minimal risk to the National 
Credit Union Share Insurance Fund, the Treasury, and ultimately 
the American taxpayers. The Share Insurance Fund has never 
required taxpayer support. It is from this perspective that we 
have reviewed the implications of the debate over continuing 
the credit union tax-exemption.
    Credit unions are today, as they were at their inception in 
the United States, member-owned, democratically controlled--
that is, one member, one vote, and a volunteer board--tax-
exempt cooperatives, fulfilling their mission of serving the 
credit and savings needs of consumers, especially those of 
modest means. This structure, begun as a financial service 
provider for the working Americans, remains intact today as 
credit unions fulfill their purpose of serving a broader base 
of American consumers, especially those of low and moderate 
income, even as both credit unions and other financial 
institutions have adapted to consumer demand for improved 
delivery of financial services. It is through this cooperative 
structure that the credit union system provides billions of 
dollars in annual benefits to consumers. The structure supports 
the incentive of credit unions to provide affordable services 
to their consumer owners rather than to maximize profits to 
outside investors or stockholders.
    Though credit unions comprise only 6 percent of federally 
insured institutions' assets, essentially the same level since 
1992, the effect of this minimal competition also assures 
better rates and services for users of all financial 
institutions. Critical to this discussion, it is the agency's 
view that credit unions are fulfilling their mission of serving 
persons of modest means. Over 1,000 credit unions exist 
specifically for the purpose of serving designated low-income 
fields of membership. Additionally, 640 Federal credit unions 
as well as many State-chartered credit unions have added 
underserved areas to their fields of membership. Industry-wide, 
savings and loan balances in credit unions are lower than in 
other institutions. Credit unions make a higher percentage of 
their HMDA-reported loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers 
than do other institutions. These and other facts reported in 
my written statement demonstrate that credit unions are 
actively fulfilling this aspect of their mission. Credit unions 
have modernized their methods of delivering services. This has 
been appropriate. It has been necessary for their survival, and 
it is consistent with the principle that those of modest means 
should not be restricted to modest services.
    Also important to this analysis is the fact that credit 
unions build capital only by setting aside a portion of their 
earnings. Taxation threatens to diminish that sole source of 
capital, resulting in changes that could undermine the 
continuation of the cooperative credit union system. When 
subjected to the additional expense of taxation on net worth in 
conjunction with the limitations on membership and powers, it 
may be difficult to justify retaining a cooperative credit 
union charter. A likely response, especially for larger credit 
unions, will be to convert to bank charters. The present 
structure is successfully serving 84.5 million credit union 
members and empowers many Americans, especially those outside 
the financial mainstream, to be introduced to the financial 
services marketplace. It is the same success that argues most 
strongly for the retention of this important statutory mandate 
if a viable financial alternative is the desired result. Due to 
their unique cooperative structure and in the interest of 
maintaining it, credit unions have had tax-exempt status since 
1917. This status was affirmed and formally codifies for 
Federal credit unions in 1937 and reaffirmed by Congress in 
both 1951 and 1998. In 2001, the Treasury department reviewed, 
along with several other issues, the credit union tax-
exemption. The resulting report offered now administrative or 
legislative changes regarding the exemption.
    The original justification for tax-exempt status remains 
valid. federally insured credit unions provide billions of 
dollars of benefits annually to all consumers, not just credit 
union members, by assuring that competitive rates are offered 
in the financial marketplace. Congress should carefully 
consider these facts in determining whether to repeal the 
credit union tax-exemption. Thank you for the opportunity to 
participate on the panel, and I will be happy to address 
questions. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Johnson follows:]
   Statement of Hon. JoAnn Johnson, Chairman, National Credit Union 
  Administration, Alexandria, Virginia, accompanied by Robert Fenner, 
         General Counsel, National Credit Union Administration
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel and Members of the Ways and 
Means Committee: on behalf of the National Credit Union Administration 
(``NCUA''), thank you for the opportunity to be here today to present 
the Agency's views on ``A Review of the Credit Union Tax Exemption.'' 
NCUA recognizes and supports this and previous Administrations' and 
Congressional policy favoring the continued tax exemption for credit 
unions as important public policy.
    NCUA's primary mission is to ensure the safety and soundness of 
federally insured credit unions. It performs this important public 
policy function by first examining and insuring all Federal credit 
unions, and second, in coordination with the state regulators, 
participating in the supervision of federally insured state chartered 
credit unions. In its capacity as the administrator for the National 
Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (``NCUSIF''), NCUA provides oversight 
and supervision to approximately 8,800 federally insured credit unions, 
representing over 96 percent of all credit unions and 84.5 million 
credit union members. As credit union cooperatives, federally insured 
credit unions vary in size; however, their cooperative structure and 
purpose is identical. They are strongly capitalized and present minimal 
risk to the NCUSIF, the Treasury and ultimately to the American 
taxpayers. The NCUSIF has never required taxpayer support.
    Especially important to this discussion on credit union tax 
exemption is the Federal law that specifies strict system capital 
(``net worth'') standards known as Prompt Corrective Action. By law, 
written and overseen by the Financial Services Committee, federally 
insured credit unions are alone among insured financial institutions in 
how they can build and maintain net worth. Specifically, they are 
limited to using only their retained earnings to meet their statutory 
capital requirements. Taxation threatens to diminish that sole source 
of capital by reducing the ability to generate net income and cause 
other adverse changes. Eventually, as credit union net worth ratios 
decline to levels that require additions to retained earnings in order 
to meet statutory and regulatory capital requirements, taxation may 
result in behavior modifications that could undermine the continuation 
of the cooperative credit union system.
    Any consideration of repealing the credit union tax exemption 
should include a very careful analysis of the effects on the public 
policy benefits of the credit union system. From our standpoint as the 
insurer of member share accounts and the safety and soundness regulator 
for federal credit unions, NCUA believes that a thorough analysis leads 
to the firm conclusion that the tax exemption is sound Congressional 
policy and should remain in place if Congress desires to preserve the 
cooperative structure most capable of providing financial services to 
people of modest means.
    In 2001, the Treasury Department reviewed, along with several other 
issues, the credit union tax exemption. The report offered no 
administrative or legislative changes regarding the exemption.\1\
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    \1\ U.S. Department of the Treasury ``Comparing Credit Unions and 
other Depository Institutions'' (January 2001).
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    The billions of dollars in annual consumer benefits provided by 
credit unions are derived by the credit union structure being member 
owned, democratically controlled, tax-exempt cooperatives. This 
cooperative structure supports the organizational incentive of credit 
unions to provide affordable services to their consumer owners, rather 
than to maximize profits to outside investors or stockholders. Though 
credit unions comprise only a small segment of the financial services 
marketplace, approximately six percent of federally insured 
institutions' assets, the effect of this minimal competition assures 
better rates and services for users of all financial institutions.
    The cooperative structure has remained unchanged since the 
inception of credit unions in the United States as financial 
cooperatives for working Americans, and, most importantly, it remains 
intact today as credit unions fulfill their purpose of serving a 
broader base of American consumers, especially those of low and 
moderate income. It is a structure that has remained unchanged as other 
financial intermediaries have entered the consumer financial services 
market, and as both credit unions and others have adapted to consumer 
demand for change in the methods of delivery of financial services.
    Review of this issue leads NCUA to conclude that repeal of the tax 
exemption may have consequences not intended by Congress, including 
altering the delivery of financial services to a broad range of 
Americans.
    A likely response to taxation, for many credit unions, would be to 
convert to bank charters. It may be difficult to justify retaining a 
cooperative credit union charter, with the associated limitations on 
membership and powers in conjunction with higher capital requirements, 
when subjected to the additional expense of taxation. The history of 
the mutual thrift industry and recent developments in the credit union 
system demonstrate there are financial incentives for management to 
convert their cooperative charters to bank charters. The probable 
effect of taxation would be to accelerate these conversions. The 
remaining credit unions subject to taxation will also likely seek 
expanded authorities and the removal of currently imposed limitations 
to offset the expense of taxation. The combined effect of these trends 
would clearly threaten the existence of the cooperative not-for-profit 
credit union system.
    The tax-exempt status of credit unions has enabled these 
institutions to provide Americans from all walks of life to have 
greater access to affordable financial services. The present structure 
is successfully serving 84.5 million credit union members and empowers 
many Americans, especially those outside the financial mainstream, to 
be introduced to the financial services marketplace. It is this same 
success that argues most strongly for the retention of this important 
statutory mandate if a viable financial alternative is the desired 
result.
    It is because of their unique cooperative structure, and in the 
interests of maintaining it, that credit unions have had tax-exempt 
status since 1917. This status was affirmed and formally codified for 
federal credit unions in 1937, and reaffirmed by Congress in both 1951 
and 1998. The original justification for tax-exempt status remains 
valid, and should not be changed if Congress wishes to maintain a 
financially sound, cooperative credit union system.
CREDIT UNIONS ARE UNIQUE
     Credit unions are distinguishable from other financial 
institutions in their structural and operational characteristics. As 
the U.S. Treasury Department noted in their 2001 study of credit 
unions:\2\
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    Many banks and thrifts exhibit one or more of the following five 
characteristics; but only credit unions exhibit all five together.
    First, credit unions are member-owned, and each member is entitled 
to one vote in selecting board members and in certain other decisions. 
Although other mutual institutions are also member-owned, voting rights 
are generally allocated according to the size of the mutual member's 
deposits, rather then being ``one member, one vote.''
    Second, credit unions do not issue capital stock. Credit unions 
create capital, or net worth, by retaining earnings. Most credit unions 
begin with no net worth and gradually build it over time.
    Third, credit unions rely on volunteer, unpaid boards of directors 
whom the members elect from the ranks of membership.
    Fourth, credit unions operate as not-for-profit institutions, in 
contrast to shareholder-owned depository institutions. All earnings are 
retained as capital or returned to the members in the form of interest 
on share accounts, lower interest rates on loans, or otherwise used to 
provide products or services.
    Fifth, credit unions may only accept as members those individuals 
identified in a credit union's articulated field of membership. 
Generally, a field of membership may consist of a single group of 
individuals that share a common bond; more than one group, each of 
which consists of individuals sharing a common bond; or geographical 
community. A common bond may take one of three forms: an occupational 
bond applies to the employees of a firm; and associational bond applies 
to members of an association; and a geographical bond applies to 
individuals living, working, attending school, or worshipping within a 
particular defined community.
    While credit unions provide many of the basic services that one 
would expect from a depository institution, including share (deposit) 
accounts, share draft (checking) accounts, personal loans, auto loans, 
mortgages, and small business loans, Congress limited the permissible 
activities of federal credit unions in many areas.
    These limitations serve to illustrate the very real differences 
compared to other depository institutions. These include, among other 
things, limitations on lending and investment authorities, rates of 
interest they may charge, constraints on capital, and field of 
membership restrictions.
    In addition to their distinctive structure and services, the basic 
role of credit unions is also very different from that of banks and 
thrifts. Most importantly, credit unions, unlike banks, are not 
motivated by profit or the desire to maximize the investment of their 
stockholders. Rather, credit unions focus on the mission of serving 
their members and enabling them to receive loan and share (deposit) 
rates on favorable terms. Pursuant to the Federal Credit Union Act, a 
federal credit union is specifically defined as ``a cooperative 
association organized--for the purpose of promoting thrift among its 
members and creating a source of credit for provident or productive 
purposes . . .'' \3\
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    Throughout the history of credit unions in the United States, 
credit unions have been one of the first sources of financial services 
to working people. Many credit unions established their first offices 
within faith-based organizations, association halls, steel mills, 
factories, military bases, and other work places, providing basic, and 
later expanded, financial services to those not within the mainstream 
of the financial marketplace. In many instances, credit unions had been 
the only alternative to payday lenders, pawn shops, or loan sharks.
    As industry and the economy changed, communities expanded through 
improved transportation, and social and associational organizations 
waned in the United States, credit unions necessarily adapted in order 
to continue to fulfill their mission of providing cooperative financial 
services.
    With various industries shuttering their plants, credit unions 
relocated their offices outside of the work locations in order to 
continue serving their members. Many of these members, victims of plant 
closings and job losses in a shifting economy, became small business 
owners, with credit unions willingly providing the first source of 
capital to their venture. Many of these small business owners could not 
provide the same benefits received from large industrial companies, but 
still pursued the opportunity of providing the benefit of credit union 
ownership and financial service to their employees.
    Credit unions, like all financial institutions, have evolved to 
meet the basic financial needs of their members. Credit unions provide 
the financial services now available due to changing and improving 
technology while remaining true to the cooperative structure. They have 
successfully provided these services without abandoning their unique 
structure as member-owned, democratically controlled cooperatives. An 
underlying tenet to these advances was, and continues to be, the belief 
that those of modest means should not be restricted to modest services.
HISTORY OF THE CREDIT UNION TAX EXEMPTION
    The cooperative nature of credit unions was the original basis for 
the credit union tax exemption. Importantly, credit unions have not 
abandoned this statutory mandate.
    When credit unions first appeared in this country they were purely 
creations of state law, and thus, until the passage of the Federal 
Credit Union Act in 1934, there were only state chartered credit 
unions. When a federal income tax was first passed, credit unions were 
not specifically exempted from tax, although other classes of 
organizations conducted for the mutual benefit of individuals were 
exempted. Credit unions received tax-exempt status in 1917, pursuant to 
an administrative ruling issued by the U.S. Attorney General. In his 
ruling, the Attorney General found that the tax exemption for these 
other organizations extended to credit unions as they ``are organized 
and operated for mutual purposes and without profit.'' \4\
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    With the passage of the Federal Credit Union Act in 1934, the 
federal credit union charter was created. Though the Act did not 
specifically create a tax exemption for this new federal charter, the 
Attorney General's ruling was extended to effectively provide an 
exemption. This exemption, however, did not apply to the taxation of 
federal credit unions by states in which the credit union is located. 
States could tax federal credit unions as long as the tax was in the 
same manner and did not exceed the rate imposed on other domestic 
banking corporations.\5\
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    In 1937, the Federal Credit Union Act was amended to create a 
specific tax exemption for federal credit unions.\6\ In his testimony 
in support of the tax exemption, the Governor of the Farm Credit 
Administration (who supervised federal credit unions at the time) 
stated:
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    \6\ Pub. L. No. 416, c.3,  4, 51 Stat. 4 (December 6, 1937).
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    Many States tax domestic banking corporations in relation to their 
share capital. In view of the fact that federal credit unions may not 
accept deposits, their share capital represents a much greater 
proportion of their total resources than is the case in other financial 
institutions. Experience with Federal credit unions since the passage 
of the original act indicates that such taxation, therefore, places a 
disproportionate and excessive burden on them. Furthermore, these 
credit unions are mutual or cooperative organizations operated entirely 
by and for their members and in view of this fact it is appropriate, we 
feel that local taxation should be levied on the members rather than 
the organization itself.\7\
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    \7\ Testimony of Governor Meyer, Farm Credit Administration before 
a Subcommittee of the Committee on Banking and Currency, U.S. Senate, 
75th Cong., 1st Sess. (May 11, 1937).
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    A Report from the U.S. House of Representatives delineated two 
reasons for ultimately granting federal credit unions a tax exemption. 
First, they found that taxing credit unions on their shares (deposits) 
in the manner that banks are taxed on their capital shares places a 
disproportionate and excessive burden on credit unions, because credit 
union shares function as deposits. Second, they found that credit 
unions are mutual or cooperative organizations operated entirely by and 
for their members.\8\
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    Pursuant to the changes made in 1937 the Federal Credit Union Act 
currently exempts all federal credit unions from:
    . . . all taxation now or hereafter imposed by the United States or 
by any State, Territorial, or local taxing authority; except that any 
real property and any tangible personal property of such Federal credit 
union shall be subject to Federal, State, Territorial, and local 
taxation to the same extent as other similar property is taxed.\9\
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    Thus, federal credit unions were exempted from most, but not all 
taxes. This is the current state of the tax exemption for Federal 
credit unions.\10\
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    \10\ This section of the Federal Credit Union Act was amended in 
1959, however, the changes did not affect this particular part of the 
section.
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    For many years credit unions were not the only depository 
institutions exempted from taxation. Among others, mutual savings banks 
and savings and loan associations were also exempted. In 1951, Congress 
found that mutual thrifts had essentially lost the essence of their 
mutuality. Accordingly, mutual savings banks and savings and loan 
associations lost their tax exemption. However, the exemption for 
federal credit unions was left intact, and expresses statutory tax-
exempt status was afforded to state-chartered credit unions, 
essentially affirming that credit unions remained true to their 
cooperative nature.
    In 1998, the tax treatment of credit unions was again affirmed. The 
Credit Union Membership Access Act of 1998 stated the findings and 
intent of Congress with respect to the tax exemption:
    Credit unions, unlike many other participants in the financial 
services market, are exempt from Federal and most State taxes because 
they are member-owned, democratically operated, not for profit 
organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors and 
because they have the specified mission of meeting the credit and 
savings needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means.\11\
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CREDIT UNIONS' MARKET SHARE HAS REMAINED CONSTANT 
    More diversified fields of membership in both multiple group and 
community charters means that individual credit unions are more 
diversified in their loan assets and therefore present less risk to the 
NCUSIF. This is contrasted with the historical predominance of single-
employer common bonds, which increased safety and soundness problems in 
the credit union system in the 1970s when numerous industrial companies 
failed and their ``single sponsor'' credit unions followed suit as 
unemployed members defaulted on their loans.
    Moreover, recent trends in field of membership expansions, 
including both conversions to community charters and expansions by 
adding underserved areas, allow credit unions to do a better job of 
fulfilling their historic and important mission of serving persons of 
modest means. Thus, recent field of membership trends have both reduced 
risk in the credit union system and enabled credit unions to better 
fulfill their statutory purpose.
    With this success, however, credit unions are not gaining market 
share at the expense of banks and thrifts. In 2004, federally insured 
credit unions held merely six percent of total financial industry 
assets; essentially the same level since 1992. While the percentage of 
industry assets held by smaller banks and thrifts is declining, this 
decrease did not result in an increase in market share for credit 
unions. The combined assets of all federally insured credit unions as 
of December 31, 2004--$647 billion in total--are less than the total 
assets of any of the three largest banks as of December 31, 2004.\12\
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    \12\ Source: http://www.fdic.gov. As of December 31, 2004, JP 
Morgan Chase Bank, N.A. had $967.3 billion in assets, Bank of America, 
N.A. had $771.6 billion in assets and Citibank, N.A. had $694.5 billion 
in assets.
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    Source: FDIC financial call report data, NCUA financial call report 
data
    Along with a limited market share, the size of the credit unions 
within the system remains small. Average and median asset size of 
federally insured credit unions--as of June 30, 2005--reflects an 
average asset size of $75.5 million and a median asset size of less 
than $12 million in assets.

                                   All Federally Insured Credit Unions (FICUs)
                                               As of June 30, 2005
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                                                                         % of                             % of
                                                           # of FICU    Total           Assets           Total
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<$10 Million                                                   4,097      46.2%        15,396,929,628       2.3%
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$10-$50 Million                                                2,810      31.7%        66,684,864,271      10.0%
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$50-$100 Million                                                 774       8.7%        54,445,882,179       8.1%
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$100-$500 Million                                                922      10.4%       198,115,394,051      29.6%
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$500 Million-$1 Billion                                          155       1.7%       105,889,848,338      15.8%
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$1-5 Billion                                                      97       1.1%       166,321,482,089      24.8%
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>$5 Billion                                                        6       0.1%        62,861,279,695       9.4%
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  Total                                                        8,861     100.0%       669,715,680,251     100.0%
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CREDIT UNIONS ARE SERVING PEOPLE OF MODEST MEANS
    Federal credit unions were formed during the height of the great 
depression to provide working people with access to affordable 
financial services through a cooperatively owned financial institution. 
This type of financial institution provided workers an opportunity to 
save a portion of their wages and have access to reasonably priced 
loans for ``provident and productive purposes.''
    Credit unions have not deviated from their original structure and 
purpose, providing their members with an opportunity to improve their 
financial well-being through share and loan products designed to meet 
their financial needs in an ever changing financial and economic 
environment. The ability to meet the statutory purpose is dependent on 
a number of factors, including diversification of fields of membership.
    Recognizing the difficulty credit unions encounter in serving a 
greater proportion of low and moderate income members Congress, in 
1970, established authority for low-income designated credit unions to 
accept non-member share deposits. This authority, which by NCUA 
regulation is available to credit unions who serve a majority of 
members with a median household income at or less than 80% of the 
national median household income, provides qualifying credit unions 
with an ability to raise share deposits from outside of the credit 
union's membership to support further lending, products and services to 
their members.
    Currently, approximately 12% of credit unions have received this 
designation from the NCUA. These more than 1,000 credit unions are 
providing their members the financial services identified as best 
meeting their needs at an affordable cost.
    Since 1994, NCUA regulations have authorized all Federal credit 
unions to add underserved areas to their fields of membership, using 
the terminology ``low income communities.'' In 1998, the Credit Union 
Membership Access Act was passed which authorized multiple group 
chartering previously overturned by the Supreme Court. In this Act, 
Congress recognized the authority of multiple group credit unions to 
serve ``underserved areas'' and established a specific definition for 
that term. For consistency, NCUA regulations were revised to apply this 
terminology to all credit unions when adding low income areas in need 
of service. Since 1999, more than 650 federal credit unions have added 
1,406 underserved areas to their fields of membership. This 
authorization has allowed credit unions to serve low and moderate 
income areas and facilitate affordable financial services to 
individuals who often have been left behind to predatory lenders. Many 
of these credit unions are of a sufficient asset size to provide these 
underserved areas with improved and an expanded array of financial 
products and services at reasonable costs.
    NCUA has also done much to encourage credit unions to serve the 
unbanked and those of low and moderate income. NCUA's Access Across 
America Initiative promotes the benefits of the low-income designation 
for eligible credit unions and encourages credit unions to make use of 
the ``underserved area authority.'' Also, NCUA established in the mid-
1990s the Economic Development Specialist (``EDS'') position to further 
credit union service in low-income and underserved areas. In 2001, the 
NCUA Board established a national small credit union program initiative 
and centralized the EDS position to the newly created Office of Small 
Credit Union Initiatives. Presently there are 15 EDS positions 
dedicated to working with groups interested in chartering credit unions 
and those credit unions serving or interested in serving members in 
underserved areas. This office also conducts workshops throughout the 
nation that provide smaller credit unions with best practices, 
potential service opportunities, and technical assistance on operations 
and staff training.
    Based on recent financial information collected by the NCUA in our 
quarterly call reports, average and median share deposit and loan 
balances in the credit union system demonstrate credit unions are 
serving members who hold low share deposit and loan balances. Of 
greater significance is the comparison of average and median share 
deposit and loan balances between low-income designated credit unions 
and the total population of federally insured credit unions. In 
general, average and median balances in federally insured credit unions 
mirror those in low-income designated credit unions.

                           Average and Median Credit Union (CU) Share Deposit Balances
                                               As of June 30, 2005
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                                                                                                   All
          All Federally Insured CUs              Share    Share   Money       Share       IRA/    Other     All
                                               Deposits  Drafts   Market  Certificates   Keogh    Shares  Shares
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Average Balance                                  3,293    2,491   23,127      17,320     11,110   40,440   3,279
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Median                                           2,916    2,028   21,034      13,186      9,866      824   2,905
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Low-Income CUs
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Average Balance                                  2,417    1,818   23,645      15,476     10,797    1,738   2,354
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Median                                           2,126    1,558   20,249      12,135     10,003      695   2,086
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All Community CUs
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Average Balance                                  3,037    1,969   22,198      14,881     10,371    3,034   2,999
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Median                                           2,891    1,764   21,191      13,461      9,527      807   2,863
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                               Average and Median Credit Union (CU) Loan Balances
                                               As of June 30, 2005
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                                                            Other                                 Other     All
        All Federally Insured CUs         Loans/  Credit  Unsecured    New      Used      1st      Real    Other
                                          Leases   Card     Loans    Vehicle  Vehicle  Mortgage   Estate   Loans
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Average Balance                            8,046   1,466     2,659    13,930    8,217    79,620   27,561   8,221
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Median                                     7,089   1,344     2,287    14,074    8,142    66,809   24,836   6,162
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All Low Income CUs
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Average Balance                            6,327   1,256     2,293    13,679    7,396    49,818   26,387   7,637
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Median                                     5,800   1,150     1,999    13,919    7,371    42,085   22,950   5,253
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All Community CUs
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Average Balance                            8,732   1,420     2,415    14,592    8,216    72,277   26,443   8,341
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Median                                     8,124   1,302     2,169    14,592    8,152    61,779   24,588   6,630
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    The discrepancy between federally insured credit unions and low-
income designated credit unions on average and median first mortgage 
balances seems to indicate federally insured credit unions make larger 
loans. However, based on data gathered from the Census Bureau's 
American Housing Survey for the United States completed in 2003, the 
median mortgage loan balance is $82,010 for all occupied residential 
units compared to the $66,809 reported for median mortgage loan 
balances for federally insured credit unions. This information shows 
federally insured credit unions holding smaller balanced first mortgage 
loans. Collectively, the data supports the conclusion federally insured 
credit unions grant many smaller-balanced loans and are, therefore, 
serving members requesting lower balanced loans.
    Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (``HMDA'') data also reflects the 
continued focus of credit unions on making credit available to 
borrowers of low and moderate means. As shown in the following table 
containing 2003 HMDA data, credit unions deny fewer loans to both 
minority and white borrowers than other financial institutions. 
Although serving a smaller market base, credit unions focused on 
reaching out to all segments of their membership.
    Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (``HMDA'') data also reflects the 
continued focus of credit unions on making credit available to 
borrowers of low and moderate means. As shown in the following table 
containing 2003 HMDA data, credit unions deny fewer loans to both 
minority and white borrowers than other financial institutions. 
Although serving a smaller market base, credit unions focused on 
reaching out to all segments of their membership.

                                                                              2003 HMDA Data Mortgage Denial Rates
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                                                          White        Tot Min       Am Ind         Asian         Black         Hisp          Joint         Other          N/A          Total
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OCC                                     Applications     6,373,248     1,931,002        33,509       377,521       532,776       632,830       221,805       132,561     1,086,700     9,390,950
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1,091                                    Denial Rate         12.1%         21.8%         25.0%         12.0%         28.5%         25.6%         12.5%         18.2%         18.0%         14.9%
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FRB                                     Applications     1,916,573       511,367         6,794        89,451       155,796       183,974        50,648        24,704       353,173     2,781,113
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565                                      Denial Rate          9.1%         18.1%         19.7%         10.1%         22.2%         21.0%          9.3%         15.2%         14.8%         11.6%
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FDIC                                    Applications     1,859,365       403,427         7,108        78,147       111,072       143,839        41,755        21,506       248,342     2,511,134
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2,587                                    Denial Rate         10.1%         19.7%         20.6%         12.8%         27.6%         19.5%         11.8%         17.5%         19.8%         12.7%
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OTS                                     Applications     2,993,023       968,616        10,435       236,263       227,144       345,828        96,002        52,944       637,048     4,598,687
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674                                      Denial Rate         10.3%         17.7%         18.5%         13.3%         22.0%         19.1%         12.0%         17.7%         17.0%         12.8%
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NCUA                                    Applications       685,145       161,138         3,656        24,851        51,469        43,925        30,013         7,224       138,853       985,136
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1,920                                    Denial Rate          5.5%         13.2%         11.6%          7.5%         18.0%         15.2%          6.5%         12.6%         11.5%          7.7%
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HUD                                     Applications     5,825,625     2,883,838        46,476       330,703       893,277     1,005,229       255,504       352,649     3,045,896    11,755,359
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1,181                                    Denial Rate         19.6%         26.4%         30.5%         15.0%         31.2%         21.8%         17.6%         42.7%         29.5%         23.9%
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National                                Applications    19,652,979     6,859,388       107,978     1,136,936     1,971,534     2,355,625       695,727       591,588     5,510,012    32,022,379
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8,018                                    Denial Rate         13.5%         22.5%         25.6%         13.0%         28.1%         22.1%         13.8%         32.6%         24.0%         17.2%
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    In fact, as reported in the 2005 National Community Reinvestment 
Coalition paper, ``Credit Unions: True to Their Mission?'', HMDA data 
for calendar year 2003 shows that credit unions made a higher 
percentage of single family mortgage loans to low and moderate income 
borrowers (24.2% compared to 23.2%) than banks. In addition, credit 
unions significantly increased home purchase loans to low and moderate 
income borrowers to 28.3% of their loan portfolios at 2003 from 23.6% 
at 2001, while bank lending in this area stayed relatively constant 
(28.6% in 2001 and 28.9% in 2003).
    In recent years, legislative, regulatory, and policy changes have 
resulted in more credit unions serving communities with low and 
moderate income borrowers. In fact, NCUA data demonstrates that credit 
unions are reaching out to serve low-income residents and are adopting 
underserved areas into their fields of membership. Those credit unions 
that have adopted underserved areas have more than doubled their 
membership growth as compared to the credit union system as a whole.
    As members from these areas become familiar with the products and 
services offered, credit unions will likely receive more loan 
applications and further improve their penetration of the low and 
moderate income lending market.
NEED FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE TAX EXEMPTION
    Credit unions are tax-exempt because of their cooperative structure 
and not-for-profit mission. While this cooperative structure, and not 
the other limitations on powers, is what entitles credit unions to a 
tax exemption, it is important to note that these limitations restrict 
credit union activities compared to other types of depository 
institutions. Despite these limitations, the tax exemption offers an 
incentive for credit unions to remain true to their mission of serving 
members of all income levels. If credit unions' tax status was changed, 
credit unions would have less incentive to remain credit unions. If 
these not-for-profits were to be taxed, many credit unions would 
probably choose to convert to other types of institutions in order to 
have expanded powers. Without credit unions, predatory lenders may 
become the financial service provider by default for many Americans who 
now rely on credit unions for essential credit union services.
    An exodus of the larger, well-capitalized credit unions would have 
a detrimental effect on the entire credit union system. These 
institutions provide a support structure for the entire credit union 
system, as demonstrated in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, 
and Wilma.
    Credit unions provide support to one another through credit union 
service organizations, shared branching networks, other partnership 
arrangements, and credit union league supported programs. If 
significant numbers of larger credit unions depart the system, the 
pressures related to earnings and capital accumulation would increase 
significantly for those credit unions remaining within the system. This 
may result in an increase in the number of credit union failures.
    Loss of critical mass of larger credit unions may also result in 
the credit union system no longer being economically viable. The 
largest 13% of federally insured credit unions (over $100 million in 
assets) hold almost 80% of the system's assets. Conceivably, 87% of all 
federally insured credit unions would remain, but these would only hold 
20% of the current financial resources of the system.
    The potential costs to the credit union system outweigh any 
anticipated revenue gains that may be realized by taxing credit unions. 
Estimates put annual tax revenue gains at between $1.2 billion to $1.5 
billion annually.\13\ Using cost benefit analysis, leaving aside the 
mission of serving those of modest means, the dollar return to 
consumers and the economy far exceed these tax revenue estimates. One 
recent study of North Carolina financial institutions estimated that 
each credit union member saves $130 a year through lower loan rates, 
lower fees, and higher returns on savings.\14\ If applied to all 
members nationally this would equate to $11 billion in savings passed 
on to credit union members.
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    \13\ U.S. Department of the Treasury ``Comparing Credit Unions and 
other Depository Institutions '' at 32 (January 2001); Congressional 
Budget Office, ``Budget Options '' at 301 (February 2005).
    \14\ The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, William E. 
Jackson III, ``The Benefits of Credit Unions to North Carolina 
Consumers of Financial Services,'' at 3 (April 2005).
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    Finally, if credit unions are taxed, all consumers, not just credit 
union members, will be detrimentally affected. It is estimated that by 
losing the positive influence of credit unions, bank customers will pay 
an additional $4 billion in higher rates, higher fees, and lower 
returns on deposits.\15\ This is in addition to a decline in service 
quality and convenience, reduced access to basic financial services, 
and no check on the proliferation of predatory financial service 
providers.
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    \15\ The American University, ``An Analysis of the Benefits of 
Credit Unions to Bank Loan Customers,'' (September 2004); Idaho State 
University, ``An Estimate of the Influence of Credit Unions on Bank CD 
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CONCLUSION
    Credit unions exist for the purpose of promoting thrift and 
providing a source of credit for their members. Since their inception, 
credit unions have been organized as democratically controlled, not-
for-profit cooperatives, managed by a volunteer board of directors 
elected by and from the membership. These characteristics define the 
uniqueness of credit unions that serves as the basis for their tax 
exemption. All of these characteristics are as true today as they were 
almost a century ago when the tax exemption was first extended to 
credit unions.
    As recently as 1998, Congress noted that the credit union system 
began as a cooperative effort to serve the credit needs of individuals 
of modest means, and that credit unions continue to fulfill that public 
purpose. Field of membership policy changes since 1998, and associated 
trends in charter expansions, have served to fulfill this special 
mission. Credit unions of all sizes continue their tradition of 
supporting one another through service organizations, shared branching 
networks, participation lending, inter-credit union deposits, technical 
assistance, and other methods of ensuring continuation of service to 
all segments of their membership, including low and moderate income 
members.
    Federally insured credit unions provide billions of dollars of 
benefits annually to consumers by assuring that competitive rates and 
services are offered in the financial marketplace. Repeal of the tax 
exemption would result in pressure on credit unions to move away from 
their not-for-profit cooperative structure causing a systemic risk 
throughout the system. Congress should carefully consider these 
implications in determining whether to repeal the credit union tax 
exemption.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you, Chairman Johnson. Mr. Miller?

  STATEMENT OF STEVEN T. MILLER, COMMISSIONER, TAX-EXEMPT AND 
     GOVERNMENT ENTITIES DIVISION, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

    Mr. MILLER. Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel, Members 
of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to address the 
treatment of credit unions under Federal tax law. Our 
regulatory role in this area depends upon whether the credit 
union is chartered by the Federal Government or by a State. The 
Service has virtually no enforcement responsibility with 
respect to federally chartered credit unions. We have more but 
still rather limited engagement responsibility with respect to 
State-chartered credit unions. Credit unions were formed to 
encourage thrift among members and to create a source of credit 
at a reasonable rate of interest. Congress has stated that 
credit unions are exempt from tax because they are member-
owned, democratically operated, not-for-profit organizations, 
generally managed by volunteer boards of directors, and because 
they have a specified mission of meeting the credit and saving 
needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means. Let me 
start my discussion of the tax rules with federally chartered 
credit unions.
    Federal credit unions were first chartered by an act of 
Congress in 1934 and were exempted from tax in 1937. They are 
chartered and regulated in their operation by the National 
Credit Union Administration. Once chartered, they are exempt 
from Federal income tax under the Federal Credit Union Act and 
are treated as instrumentalities of the United States under 
Section 501(c)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code. Federal credit 
unions are liable for Federal unemployment and Social Security 
taxes, but are not subject to the tax on unrelated business 
income, which is the tax imposed on income derived from a trade 
or business that is not substantially related to the exempt 
purpose of an entity. Federal credit unions do not file 
information returns with the IRS, nor do they apply to the IRS 
for recognition of exemption. Other than employment taxes, we 
have no oversight over these entities. For State-chartered 
credit unions, the tax treatment is significantly different. 
Favored Federal tax treatment for these entities dates from a 
1916 statute. The exemption of State-chartered credit unions 
from Federal income tax is now governed by sections 
501(c)(14)(A). State-chartered credit unions are exempt if they 
are without capital stock, are organized and operated for 
mutual purposes, without profit and under a State law governing 
the formation of credit unions.
    State-chartered credit unions do not need to file with the 
IRS for exemption, but some do. In that event, they must show 
the State and date of their incorporation and that they comply 
with the State law applicable to loans, investments, and 
dividends. In addition, 34 States have group rulings in which 
the State regulatory authority controls additions or deletions 
to the group and notifies the IRS of the names and addresses of 
new and departing members. State-chartered credit unions are 
also required to file an annual information return with the 
IRS. Like Federal credit unions, State-chartered credit unions 
are liable for employment taxes; however, unlike the Federal 
credit unions, they are subject to unrelated business income 
tax. As part of our overall examination program for tax-exempt 
organizations, we do examine State-chartered credit unions. We 
currently have about 50 such examinations underway. We are 
finding that not only are State-chartered credit unions 
engaging in traditional core credit union activities, but many 
are also engaging in a wide range of other activities, 
including marketing a variety of insurance products. We are 
working to determine which of the traditional activities are 
subject to the unrelated business income tax.
    Let me conclude. The IRS has begun to rebalance its efforts 
by placing greater emphasis on enforcement. This applies across 
the board, including the tax-exempt community. As we proceed in 
the tax-exempt sector, we have found that some areas have 
become difficult to administer because industry practice or the 
industry itself has changed over decades, while the tax rules 
have remained constant. The transformation of credit unions and 
other financial institutions is an excellent example of this 
kind of change, with credit unions offering new services and 
entering new markets. We take no position on whether credit 
unions should be taxable or whether the treatment of Federal 
and State-chartered credit unions should be conformed. What we 
can say is that, with respect to exemption, the IRS has a very 
limited role. However, industry changes do raise concerns for 
the IRS. As State-chartered credit unions offer new services, 
we have the responsibility of determining which of them 
generate taxable income. This is a factually intensive and 
difficult analysis. Thank you, and we look forward to working 
with you and your staff on these and similar issues.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Miller follows:]
Statement of Steven T. Miller, Commissioner, Tax-Exempt and Government 
              Entities Division, Internal Revenue Service
Background
    Mr. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to address this 
Committee on the treatment of credit unions under federal tax law. As I 
will explain, the rules governing this segment of the nonprofit 
community derive from various federal and state laws, not merely from 
the Internal Revenue Code. Our regulatory role is dependent upon the 
nature of the credit union. Credit unions may be chartered by the 
federal government or by a state. The Service has virtually no 
enforcement responsibility with respect to federally chartered credit 
unions. We have more, but still rather limited enforcement 
responsibility, with respect to state chartered entities.
    There is no definition of what constitutes a credit union in the 
Internal Revenue Code. The IRS looks to the National Credit Union 
Administration (NCUA), which administers the Federal Credit Union Act, 
to identify federal credit unions, and to applicable state law to 
identify state chartered credit unions. Notwithstanding the lack of a 
uniform definition and the variations in the statutes under which they 
are created, credit unions do generally share some common 
characteristics. These include operation on a mutual basis by and for 
the membership; ownership by the members of the shares on which 
dividends are paid; officers elected by the membership with each member 
having one vote regardless of the number of shares held; and the 
opportunity of members to deposit funds and receive loans from the 
institution. Nonmembers cannot make deposits with, or receive loans 
from, credit unions.
    Credit unions were formed to encourage thrift among members by 
holding member funds on deposit, making loans, and creating a source of 
credit at a fair and reasonable rate of interest in order to improve 
the economic and social conditions of credit union members.\1\
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    \1\ La Caisse Populaire Ste. Marie (St. Mary's Bank) v. U.S., 563 
F.2d 505 (1st Cir., 1977), aff'g 425 F. Supp. 512 (D. N.H., 1976). See 
also 31 U.S. Op. Atty. Gen. 176. In Pub.L. 105-219, sec. 2(4), 105th 
Congress (1998), Congress found that credit unions are exempt from tax 
``because they are member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-
profit organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors 
and because they have the specified mission of meeting the credit and 
saving needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means.''
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    In general, credit union statutes (including the federal statute) 
require some sort of common bond among members. This usually is based 
upon working for a common employer, being employed in a similar 
occupation, or residing in a specific geographic locale.\2\ The common 
bond is a major factor distinguishing credit unions from other 
financial institutions such as banks and savings and loan companies, 
which are open for business with the general public without regard to 
employment, occupation, or area of residence.
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    \2\ 12 U.S.C.  1759 provides that federal credit union membership 
shall be limited to groups having a common bond of occupation and 
association, or to groups within a well-defined neighborhood, 
community, or district. State statutes vary as to the extent of the 
common bond requirement.
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Applicable Legal Framework and Interaction with Internal Revenue 
        Service
History and Standards for Tax Exemption--Federal Credit Unions
    The federal credit union charter was created by act of Congress in 
1934.\3\ Federal credit unions became exempt from tax in 1937.\4\ 
Federal credit unions are exempt from federal income taxes under the 
Federal Credit Union Act \5\ and as a result are described in section 
501(c)(1) of the Code, which refers to corporations, organized under an 
act of Congress, that are instrumentalities of the United States. 
Federal credit unions are chartered and regulated in operation by NCUA. 
NCUA determines the standards for qualification as a federal credit 
union under the Federal Credit Union Act, and determines which 
applicants qualify for federal credit union status. By operation of 
law, once NCUA makes this determination, federal law exempts the 
organization from tax, and the IRS accepts the finding as determinative 
of whether the organization is an instrumentality of the U.S. 
Government for purposes of section 501(c)(1).
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    \3\ Pub. L. 73-467, 48 Stat. 1216 (1934).
    \4\ Pub. L. 75-416, 51 Stat. 4 (1937).
    \5\ 12 U.S.C.  1768.
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    In recent decades, as a result of deregulation in the industry, the 
law governing federal credit unions has allowed expansion of the 
services federal credit unions offer to their members.\6\ At the same 
time, common bond restrictions have been relaxed to allow a wider 
membership base.\7\
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    \6\ Some examples of law changes to permit federal credit unions to 
expand their services include changes to the Federal Credit Union Act 
in 1977 (expanded savings, lending, and investment powers); the 
Monetary Control Act of 1980, P.L. 96-221 (share draft accounts); and 
the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982, P.L. 97-320 
(expanded mortgage loan authority).
    \7\ The Credit Union Membership Access Act of 1998, Pub. L. 105-
219, authorized credit unions to have multiple common bonds. The 
legislation overturned the holding of National Credit Union 
Administration v. First National Bnk & Trust Co., 522 U.S. 479 (1998).
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History and Standards for Tax Exemption--State Credit Unions
    State chartered credit unions have existed at least since 1909, and 
favored federal tax treatment dates from a 1916 statute that conferred 
exemption on ``cooperative banks without capital stock organized and 
operated for mutual purposes and without profit''. (39 Stat. 766). In 
1917, an opinion memorandum from the Office of the Attorney General 
interpreted this phrase to include credit unions.\8\ State credit 
unions were first expressly designated by statute as exempt from tax in 
the Revenue Act of 1951.
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    \8\ 31 U.S. Op. Atty. Gen. 176.
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    The exemption of state chartered credit unions from federal income 
tax is governed by section 501(c)(14)(A) of the Internal Revenue Code. 
State chartered credit unions are exempt if they are without capital 
stock and are organized and operated for mutual purposes and without 
profit. The Service's published guidance echoes the statute, adding 
that an entity also must be organized and operated under a state law 
governing the formation of credit unions in order to qualify for 
exemption.\9\ In general, state law determines the extent of the common 
bond required of the membership of a state chartered credit union.\10\
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    \9\ Rev. Rul. 69-282, 1969-1 C.B. 155; Rev. Rul. 72-37, 1972 C.B. 
152.
    \10\ For purposes of federal tax law, the IRS is not precluded from 
challenging whether an organization meets state law common bond 
requirements or whether such state law requirements are adequate in 
defining a credit union. But see note 18 below.
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Applicability of Unrelated Business Income Tax
    As federal instrumentalities, federal credit unions remain liable 
for federal unemployment and social security taxes,\11\ but they are 
exempt from unrelated business income tax.\12\ State chartered credit 
unions are liable for employment taxes as well, but have no exemption 
from unrelated business income tax. The unrelated business income tax 
is a tax on income derived by a tax exempt entity from a trade or 
business that is regularly carried on and that is not substantially 
related to the exercise or performance of the purpose or function 
constituting the basis for the entity's exemption.\13\
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    \11\ IRC  3308; IRC  3112.
    \12\ IRC  511(a)(2)(A).
    \13\ IRC  513(a).
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Filing and Reporting Requirements
    Federal and state chartered credit unions differ in their 
respective reporting requirements. Because federal credit unions are 
described in section 501(c)(1), they do not file information returns 
with the IRS, nor do they apply to the IRS for recognition of 
exemption.\14\ They are instead responsible to the NCUA for adherence 
to Federal Credit Union Act requirements.
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    \14\ See Treas. Reg.  1.6033-2(g)(1)(vi); Rev. Rul. 89-94, 1989-2 
C.B. 233, relating to information returns. IRC  508(a) and IRC  
505(c) require designated organizations to apply for exempt status. 
These provisions do not designate federal or state chartered credit 
unions. Federal credit unions are subject to an independent application 
process with NCUA.
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    While optional, state chartered credit unions may file a notice 
with the IRS to be recognized as exempt, although there is no 
prescribed format. The IRS accepts a form furnished to applicants by 
the Credit Union National Association (CUNA) for this purpose.\15\ 
Applicants must show the state and date of incorporation, and that they 
comply with the state law applicable to loans, investments, and 
dividends. Thirty-four states hold group rulings, in which a state 
regulatory authority controls additions and deletions to the group and 
notifies the IRS of the names and addresses of new and departing 
members.
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    \15\ Rev. Proc. 56-2, 1956-1 C.B. 1017. State chartered credit 
unions may apply in order to have reliance on their exempt status with 
the IRS.
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    State chartered credit unions are required to file annual 
information returns with the IRS (Forms 990). The IRS received over 
1360 individual forms 990 from state chartered credit unions in 2003, 
the last year for which we have complete filing data. A state 
regulatory authority with a group exemption ruling may file a group 
return for all exempt state chartered credit unions under its control 
and supervision.\16\ In 2003, 21 states out of the 34 states holding 
group rulings filed group Form 990 returns, covering over two thousand 
organizations.
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    \16\ Rev. Rul. 60-364, 1960-2 C.B. 382.
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Examination Issues
    Unless employment tax issues are present, the IRS does not examine 
federal credit unions because generally there are no federal taxation 
issues to be resolved.\17\
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    \17\ As with other financial institutions, however, the IRS does 
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    We do examine state chartered credit unions and currently have 
about 50 examinations underway. These examinations all involve the 
application of the tax on unrelated business income. The IRS generally 
accepts the state's recognition that an organization is a credit union 
and therefore we rarely challenge exemption of such organizations on 
that basis. An attempt by the IRS to revoke a state chartered credit 
union's exemption based upon the expansive services it offered to its 
members and the sufficiency of the common bond of the organization's 
membership was unsuccessful. La Caisse Populaire Ste. Marie (St. Mary's 
Bank) v. U.S., 563 F.2d 505 (1st Cir.,1977).\18\
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    \18\ The case presented what the IRS believed to be extremely 
favorable facts for the Government. There was no written common bond 
and the organization held itself out to the public as a full-service 
bank. See Action on Decision 1979-41 (May 4, 1978), which indicated 
that the loss of the case coupled with the expansion of the powers of 
federal credit unions ``cast considerable doubt upon whether the 
Service will be able to ever successfully challenge the exempt status 
of credit unions.'' See also GCM 37467 (1978) for a discussion of the 
A.O.D. The IRS also considered the sufficiency of a state chartered 
organization's common bond in GCM 38345 (1980), without adverse action, 
stating that the IRS should only challenge exemption where there is no 
common bond, de facto or otherwise.
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    In our examinations, we are finding that state chartered credit 
unions are engaging in traditional core activities of providing savings 
facilities and loans to members, as well as offering more recently 
established services such as home mortgages and credit and debit cards. 
We are finding that many are also engaging in a wide range of other 
activities. Among these are:

      The sale of optional credit life insurance and credit 
disability insurance to members who obtain loans from the organization. 
If the borrower dies or becomes disabled, the insurance pays off the 
loan balance.
      The sale of GAP (``Guaranteed Auto Protection'') auto 
insurance. This pays the automobile loan balance in the event of loss 
or destruction of a vehicle to the extent it exceeds the value of the 
vehicle.
      The sale of automobile warranties.
      The sale of cancer insurance.
      The sale of accidental death and dismemberment insurance.
      ATM fees charged to non-members.
      The sale of health or dental insurance.
      The marketing of mutual funds to members.
      The marketing of other insurance and financial products.

    We are working to determine which of these additional activities 
have a substantial relationship to the purposes and function of the 
state credit unions involved, and whether amounts derived from such 
activities are taxable.\19\
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    \19\ A technical advice memorandum in 1995 finds income derived 
from credit life and credit disability insurance to be UBIT. PLR 
9548001. A series of three IRS information letters from the early 
1970's took the contrary position with respect to credit disability 
insurance. At this time we have thirty technical advice cases pending 
involving credit union activities.
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    The IRS has asserted that an exempt membership organization engages 
in an unrelated trade or business when it sells insurance products to 
its members. The courts have endorsed that interpretation in multiple 
cases, although no court cases to date specifically involve sales by a 
section 501(c)(14)(A) credit union to its members.\20\
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    \20\ United States v. American Bar Endowment, 106 S.Ct. 2426 
(1986), which involved an organization described in section 501(c)(3); 
Louisiana Credit Union League v. United States, 693 F. 2d 1097 (5th 
Cir. 1982), a section 501(c)(6) organization; Professional Insurance 
Agents of Michigan v. Commissioner, 726 F.2d 1097 (6th Cir. 1984), also 
a section 501(c)(6) organization.
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Conclusion
    In prior testimony before this Committee, we have discussed the 
extensive growth in the tax-exempt sector in recent decades, and the 
fact that there has been little change in the law governing 
organizations that qualify for tax-exempt status.
    One of the four enforcement objectives of the IRS as outlined in 
the 5-year strategic plan published in 2004, is to deter the abuse and 
misuse of tax-exempt organizations. As a result, the IRS has begun to 
rebalance its efforts by increasing enforcement assets and activities 
directed at the tax-exempt community in general.
    As we proceed in this effort, we have found that some areas have 
become difficult to administer because industry practice, or the 
industry itself, has changed over the decades, while the tax rules have 
remained constant. The deregulation and resulting transformation of 
credit unions and other financial institutions is an excellent example 
of this kind of change. The credit union industry has evolved into 
something substantially different from what it was, offering new 
services and entering new markets.
    We take no position on whether credit unions should be taxable or 
whether the treatment of federal and state chartered credit unions 
should be conformed. What we can say is that with respect to exemption, 
the IRS has a very limited role. However, industry changes have raised 
issues. As the services provided by state chartered credit unions 
expand, we have the responsibility of determining which of them 
generate income that is subject to the unrelated business income tax. 
This is a factually intensive and difficult analysis.
    We appreciate the opportunity to provide this Committee with 
information. We have previously testified in support of a thorough 
review of the nonprofit sector, and this hearing is a welcome part of 
that review.
    We look forward to working with you and your staff on these and 
similar issues.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you, Mr. Miller. Mr. Hillman?

 STATEMENT OF RICHARD J. HILLMAN, MANAGING DIRECTOR, FINANCIAL 
      MARKETS AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS, U.S. GOVERNMENT 
                     ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE

    Mr. HILLMAN. Chairman Thomas, Members of the Committee, I 
am pleased to be here today to discuss issues regarding the 
tax-exempt status of credit unions. My prepared statement today 
includes discussion on: one, the historical basis of the tax-
exempt status and arguments for and against taxing these 
institutions; two, information on the extent to which credit 
unions offer services that are distinct from those offered by 
banks of comparable size; and, three, information from prior 
work assessing available information on the extent to which 
credit unions are serving low- and moderate-income individuals. 
The basis for continuing tax-exemption of credit unions, 
although not often articulated in legislation over the years, 
appears to be related to the perceived distinctness of credit 
unions and their service to people of modest means. More 
specifically, unlike banks, credit unions are member-owned, 
democratically operated, not-for-profit organizations generally 
managed by volunteer boards of directors, and these 
institutions have a specific mission of meeting credit and 
savings needs of people of small or modest means.
    Arguments for taxing credit unions centered on creating a 
level playingfield among financial institutions. Recent growth 
of the credit union industry is often cited as support for the 
argument that many credit unions now compete more directly with 
banks. Proponents of taxing credit unions also point to the 
potential revenue associated with repealing the tax-exemption 
with the Federal agencies estimating over $1 billion in 
potential annual revenues. Those in favor of taxation also 
question the extent to which the tax subsidy provided to credit 
unions is being used to serve people of modest means, 
especially in comparison with peer group banks. Opponents of 
taxation argue that credit unions remain distinct, both 
organizationally and operationally, from other financial 
institutions. Opponents also point out that taxation could 
jeopardize the safety and soundness of credit unions since 
their net worth or capital levels are restricted to retained 
earnings only. Opponents also note that other depository 
institutions do have opportunities for tax relief such as S 
corporation status.
    As part of further addressing this issue, I would like to 
provide two slides and some contextual information on the size 
of the credit union industry and its distribution of assets, as 
well as to provide trend information on the changes in credit 
union membership. As of December 2004, the Federal Government 
chartered about 62 percent of the slightly more than 9,000 
credit unions. Figure 1, shown on the screens, illustrates 
institution size and asset distribution in the credit union 
industry. The top bar reflects that as of December 31, 2004, 
the 4,255 smallest credit unions, those with $10 million or 
less in total assets, constituted nearly half of all credit 
unions, but only 2.5 percent of the industry's total assets. 
Conversely, the 98 credit unions with assets over $1 billion, 
which is the shortest bar at the bottom of the figure, held 33 
percent of the total industry assets, but represented just 1 
percent of all credit unions. In an earlier 2003 report, we 
noted that as of December 31, 2002, there were just 71 credit 
unions with assets over $1 billion, and figures through June 
2005 indicate that there are now 103 credit unions with over $1 
billion in assets. So, the size of credit unions continues to 
grow. Despite this growth, the credit union industry remains 
much smaller than the banking industry, with credit unions 
representing around 6 percent of the total assets of both 
industries.
    As the credit union industry has evolved, the historical 
distinction between credit unions and other depository 
institutions has continued to blur. Since 1992, the number of 
credit unions has declined, but total assets of the industry 
have grown. The consolidation in numbers and concentration in 
assets have resulted in two distinct groups of credit unions: a 
few relatively large credit unions providing a wide range of 
services that resemble those offered by banks of similar size, 
and a number of smaller institutions that provide basic 
financial services. Among the more significant changes that 
have occurred in the credit union industry over the past two 
decades have been the weakening or blurring of the common bond 
that traditionally existed between credit union members. Credit 
union membership may be based on one of three types of common 
bond: a single bond, which is typically employer or occupation 
based; multiple common bonds, which allow for more than one 
single bond within an institution; and community bonds, which 
are comprised of persons or organizations within a well-defined 
local community, neighborhood, or rural district.
    The next figure, shown on the screens, provides additional 
information on the percent of assets of federally chartered 
credit unions by bond type. While multiple-bond credit unions 
have constituted on average slightly under 50 percent of all 
credit unions since 2000, they represented 57 percent of credit 
union assets. This chart also shows that the percent of 
community bond credit unions has more than doubled since 2000, 
growing from 9 percent of federally chartered credit unions in 
2000 to 19 percent by the end of 2004. The steepest growth of 
the assets in federally chartered credit unions also comes from 
community bonds, which comprise about $92 billion in assets at 
the end of 2004. In conclusion, the movement toward 
geographically based fields of membership and other expansion 
of the common bond restrictions, in conjunction with expanded 
lines of financial services, have made credit unions more 
competitive with banks. These changes have raised questions 
about the extent to which credit unions are fulfilling their 
perceived historical mission of serving individuals of modest 
means, yet limited comprehensive data are available on the 
incomes of credit union members.
    In prior work on the credit union industry, our assessment 
of available data suggested that credit unions served a 
slightly lower proportion of households with low and moderate 
incomes than do banks. To the NCUA's credit, it has established 
a low-income credit union program and an underserved program 
that are intended to provide increased services to low- and 
moderate-income individuals and underserved areas. However, 
NCUA currently does not collect comprehensive data such as the 
overall income on individuals benefiting from these programs to 
allow for definitive conclusions about the information on 
incomes that the membership serves. As a result, we recommended 
in 2003 to NCUA that it develop more tangible indicators to 
determine whether credit unions have provided greater access to 
credit union services in underserved areas. The NCUA has yet to 
adopt any indicators but says it has established a working 
group to study credit union success in reaching people of 
modest means. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my prepared 
statement. I would be pleased to respond to any questions you 
or the other members may have at the appropriate time.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Hillman follows:]
 Statement of Richard J. Hillman, Managing Director, Financial Markets 
    and Community Investment, U.S. Government Accountability Office
    Mr. Chairman Thomas and Members of the Committee:
    I am pleased to be here today to discuss issues regarding the tax-
exempt status of credit unions. Credit unions are the only type of 
financial institution currently exempt from federal income taxes.\1\ As 
we have noted in a prior testimony before this Committee, the size of 
the tax-exempt sector has grown in recent years in both the number and 
assets of institutions.\2\ Today's hearing on issues related to the 
credit union tax-exempt sector is timely in light of current and 
projected fiscal imbalances and renewed emphasis on accountability and 
governance in both the corporate and nonprofit sectors. A comprehensive 
examination could help determine whether exempt entities such as credit 
unions are providing services that are commensurate with their favored 
tax status, and whether an adequate framework exists for ensuring that 
these entities are meeting the requirements for tax-exempt status. The 
information that I am providing today is based primarily on prior work 
completed on the credit union industry and on ongoing work underway for 
this Committee.\3\
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    \1\ Qualified financial institutions can elect to avoid federal 
corporate income tax as Subchapter S corporations (S-corporations). S-
corporation tax status mainly allows small, closely held corporations 
meeting certain requirements to elect to eliminate corporate-level 
taxation. S-corporation shareholders are taxed on their portion of the 
corporation's taxable income, regardless of whether they receive a cash 
distribution. For more information on S-corporations, see GAO, Banking 
Taxation: Implications of Proposed Revisions Governing S-Corporations 
on Community Banks, GAO/GGD-00-159 (Washington, D.C.: Jun. 23, 2000).
    \2\ GAO, Tax-Exempt Sector: Governance, Transparency, and Oversight 
Are Critical for Maintaining Public Trust, GAO-05-561T (Washington, 
D.C.: Apr. 20, 2005), and GAO, Nonprofit, For-Profit, and Government 
Hospitals: Uncompensated Care and Other Community Benefits, GAO-05-743T 
(Washington, D.C.: May 26, 2005).
    \3\ GAO, Credit Unions: Financial Condition Has Improved, but 
Opportunities Exist to Enhance Oversight and Share Insurance 
Management, GAO-04-91 (Washington, D.C.: Oct. 27, 2003) and GAO, Credit 
Unions: Reforms for Ensuring Future Soundness, GAO/GGD-91-85 
(Washington, D.C.: Jul. 10, 1991).
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    Based on your request, I will discuss:

      the historical basis for the tax-exempt status of credit 
unions;
      arguments for and against the taxation of credit unions, 
including estimates of the potential tax revenues from eliminating the 
tax-exempt status of credit unions;
      the extent to which credit unions offer services that are 
distinct from those offered by banks of comparable size;
      the extent to which credit unions are serving low- and 
moderate-income individuals, including relevant programs of the 
National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) that target these 
individuals; and
      the extent to which credit unions are required to report 
or make public certain information such as executive compensation and 
assessments of their internal controls for financial reporting.

    In summary, we found that:

      The basis for continuing tax exemptions for credit 
unions, although not often articulated in legislation over the years, 
appears to be related to the perceived distinctness of credit unions 
and their service to people of modest means. Congress originally 
granted tax-exempt status to credit unions in 1937 because of their 
similarity to other mutually owned financial institutions that were tax 
exempt at that time. While the other institutions lost their exemption 
in the Revenue Act of 1951, credit unions specifically retained the 
exemption. The legislative history on the 1951 act did not articulate a 
rationale for the continued exemption of credit unions. However, more 
recent legislation (the Credit Union Membership Access Act of 1998 or 
CUMAA) states that credit unions are exempt from taxes because ``they 
are member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-profit organizations 
generally managed by volunteer boards of directors, and because they 
have the specified mission of meeting the credit and savings needs of 
consumers, especially persons of modest means.'' \4\
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    \4\ See Public Law 105-219 (Aug. 7, 1998), 112 STAT. 914. The 
Federal Credit Union Act of June 26, 1934 refers to ``make more 
available to people of small means credit for provident purposes.'' 
While these statutes have used ``small means'' and ``modest means'' to 
describe the type of people who credit unions might serve, these terms 
are not defined in the statutes.
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      Recently, arguments for taxing credit unions have 
centered on creating a ``level playing field'' among financial 
institutions in terms of taxation, referencing the notable recent 
growth of the credit union industry to support the idea that credit 
unions compete more and more directly with banks. Proponents of taxing 
credit unions also point to the potential revenue associated with 
repealing the tax exemption. There is also some debate regarding the 
extent to which credit unions are serving people of modest means, 
especially in comparison with small banks. In response, opponents of 
taxation have argued that credit unions remain distinct--both 
organizationally and operationally--from other financial institutions, 
and that taxation would jeopardize the safety and soundness of credit 
unions by adversely impacting their net worth or capital levels, which 
are restricted to retained earnings. Opponents also note that other 
depository institutions do have opportunities for tax relief as S-
corporations. Federal estimates of the potential tax revenues fall 
within a somewhat narrow range--$1.2 billion to $1.6 billion annually--
while nongovernmental sources have produced higher estimates of up to 
$3.1 billion annually.
      As the credit union industry has evolved, the historical 
distinction between credit unions and other depository institutions has 
continued to blur. The number of credit unions declined between 1992 
and 2004, although the total assets of the industry have grown. As of 
2004, credit unions with more than $100 million in assets represented 
about 13 percent of all credit unions and 79 percent of total assets. 
The consolidation in numbers and concentration of assets has resulted 
in two distinct groups of credit unions: a few relatively large 
institutions providing a wide range of services that resemble those 
offered by banks of the same size, and a number of smaller credit 
unions that provide basic financial services. For example, the loan 
portfolios of larger credit unions tend to hold more mortgage and real 
estate loans, resembling those of similarly sized banks. Smaller credit 
unions tend to carry smaller loans such as car loans. Additionally, 
larger credit unions tend to offer a range of products and services 
similar to those offered by banks.
      As credit unions have become larger and begun offering a 
wider variety of services, the issue of whether these institutions are 
serving households with low and moderate incomes has become a matter 
for debate. Yet, limited comprehensive data are available on the income 
of credit union members. In prior work on the credit union industry, 
our assessment of available data--the Federal Reserve's 2001 Survey of 
Consumer Finances and other studies--suggested that credit unions 
served a slightly lower proportion of households with low and moderate 
incomes than banks.\5\ To NCUA's credit, it has established programs 
that are intended for low-income individuals and underserved areas. 
However, NCUA does not collect comprehensive data such as the overall 
income of individuals benefiting from these programs to allow 
definitive conclusions about the membership served.
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      Most credit unions are not specifically subject to 
reporting requirements that would disclose information on executive 
compensation or assessments of internal controls for financial 
reporting--information that can enhance public confidence in tax-exempt 
entities. Publicly available financial reports reflect, and support, 
strong governance and transparency--essential elements in assuring that 
tax-exempt entities operate with integrity and effectiveness and 
maintain public trust. For example, public disclosure of revenue and 
expenses, such as the compensation of officers and directors, enhances 
transparency. However, most credit unions do not individually file the 
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) form that would provide such 
information--Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt from Income Tax--
because of exclusions and group filings.\6\ Further, as we noted in a 
2003 report, credit unions with assets over $500 million are not 
subject to internal control reporting requirements applicable to banks 
and thrifts under the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement 
Act (FDICIA), which are similar to the reporting requirements of public 
companies affected by the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002.\7\ As we 
suggested in 2003, making credit unions of $500 million or more subject 
to the FDICIA internal control reporting requirements would provide a 
commensurate tool to NCUA and appropriate state regulators to ensure 
that credit unions establish and maintain internal control structure 
and procedures for financial reporting purposes.
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    \6\ Most tax exempt entities annually must file a Form 990 with the 
IRS. Form 990 is publicly available and contains various revenue and 
expense information, including compensation data for officers, 
directors, trustees, and key employees.
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Background
    Credit unions have historically occupied a unique niche among 
financial institutions. Credit unions differ from other depository 
institutions because they are (1) not-for-profit entities that build 
capital by retaining earnings (they do not issue capital stock), (2) 
member-owned cooperatives run by boards elected by the membership, and 
(3) tax-exempt. Like banks and thrifts, credit unions have either 
federal or state charters. Federal charters have been available since 
1934, when the Federal Credit Union Act was passed. States have their 
own chartering requirements. As of December 2004, the federal 
government chartered about 62 percent of the slightly more than 9,000 
credit unions and states chartered the remainder. Both federally and 
state-chartered credit unions are exempt from federal income taxes, 
with federally chartered and most state-chartered credit unions also 
exempt from state income and franchise taxes.
    Another distinguishing feature of credit unions is that they may 
serve only an identifiable group of people with a common bond. More 
specifically, credit union membership may be based on one of three 
types of common bond: single, multiple, or community. For example, a 
group of people that share a single characteristic, such as a common 
profession, could constitute the ``field of membership'' for a single-
bond credit union. Field of membership is used to describe all the 
individuals and groups, including organizations, which a credit union 
is permitted to accept for membership.\8\ More than one group having a 
common bond could constitute the membership of a multiple-bond credit 
union. And, persons or organizations within a well-defined community, 
neighborhood, or rural district could form a community-bond credit 
union. Further, credit unions can offer members additional services 
made available by third-party vendors and by certain profit-making 
entities with which they are associated, referred to as credit union 
service organizations (CUSO).\9\
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    \8\ See GAO/GGD-91-85 for additional background on the history of 
NCUA and state field of membership regulatory policies.
    \9\ A CUSO is a corporation, limited liability corporation, or 
limited partnership that provides services such as insurance, 
securities, or real estate brokerage, primarily to credit unions or 
members of affiliated credit unions. Credit unions can invest up to 1 
percent of their capital in CUSOs. CUSOs must maintain a separate 
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Rationale for the Historical Tax Exemption of Credit Unions
    The tax-exempt status of credit unions originally was predicated on 
the similarity of credit unions and mutual financial institutions; 
however, while Congress did not always cite its reasons for continuing 
this exemption, recent legislation mentions the cooperative structure 
and service to persons of modest means as reasons for reaffirming their 
exempt status.\10\ The Revenue Act of 1913 exempted domestic building 
and loan associations (now called ``savings and loans''), and mutual 
savings banks not having a capital stock represented by shares, from 
federal income tax.\11\ Further, the Revenue Act of 1916 exempted from 
taxation cooperative banks without capital stock organized and operated 
for mutual purposes and without profit.\12\ However, credit unions were 
not specifically exempted in either of these acts. Their tax-exempt 
status was addressed directly for the first time in 1917, when the U.S. 
Attorney General determined that credit unions closely resembled 
cooperative (mutual savings) banks and similar institutions that 
Congress had expressly exempted from taxation in 1913 and 1916.
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    \10\ Internal Revenue Code section 501(c) describes 28 categories 
of organizations that are exempt from federal income tax. State credit 
unions are exempt in a category by themselves under section 
501(c)(14)(A). Federal credit unions are exempt under section 
501(c)(l). Section 501(c)(l) exempts certain corporations that have 
been organized under an act of Congress, designated as 
instrumentalities of the United States, and that are exempt from tax by 
the Internal Revenue Code or by certain congressional acts.
    \11\ Public Law 63-16.
    \12\ Public Law 64-271.
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    The Federal Credit Union Act of 1934 authorized the chartering of 
federal credit unions. The stated purpose of the act was to ``establish 
a further market for securities of the United States and to make more 
available to people of small means credit for provident purposes 
through a national system of cooperative credit, thereby helping to 
stabilize the credit structure of the United States.'' The 1934 act did 
not specifically exempt federal credit unions from taxation. In 1937, 
the act was amended to exempt federal credit unions from federal tax 
and limit state taxation to taxes on real and tangible personal 
property.\13\ Two reasons were given for the exemption: (1) that credit 
unions are mutual or cooperative organizations operated entirely by and 
for their members; and (2) that taxing credit unions on their shares, 
much as banks are taxed on their capital shares, places a 
disproportionate and excessive burden on the credit unions because 
credit union shares function as deposits.\14\
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    \13\ Public Law 416.
    \14\ H.R. Rep. No. 75-1579, at 2 (1937).
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    The Revenue Act of 1951 amended section 101(4) of the 1939 Internal 
Revenue Code to repeal the tax-exempt status for cooperative banks, 
savings and loan societies, and mutual savings banks, but it 
specifically provided for the tax exemption of state-chartered credit 
unions.\15\ While the act's legislative history contains extensive 
discussion of the reasons why the tax-exempt status of the other mutual 
institutions was revoked, it is silent regarding why the tax exempt 
status of credit unions was not also revoked.
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    The Senate report accompanying the Revenue Act of 1951 stated that 
the exemption of mutual savings banks was repealed in order to 
establish parity between competing financial institutions.\16\ 
According to the Senate report, tax-exempt status gave mutual savings 
banks the advantage of being able to finance growth out of untaxed 
retained earnings, while competing corporations (commercial banks) paid 
tax on income retained by the corporation. The report stated that the 
exempt status of savings and loans was repealed on the same grounds. 
Moreover, it stated that savings and loan associations were no longer 
self-contained mutual organizations, for which membership implied 
significant investments over time, risk of loss, heavy penalties for 
cancellation of membership or early withdrawal of shares, and in which 
members invested in anticipation of becoming borrowers at some time. 
Instead, investing members were simply becoming depositors who received 
relatively fixed rates of return on deposits that were protected by 
large surplus accounts, and borrowing members dealt with savings and 
loans in the same way as other mortgage lending institutions.\17\
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    \16\ S. Rep. No. 82-781 (1951).
    \17\ While both banks and thrifts were subject to federal corporate 
income tax after 1951, some special provisions served to reduce their 
tax liability relative to corporations in other industries. Over time, 
Congress scaled back many of these provisions, including special 
deductions for additions to bad debt reserves.
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    More recently (in 1998), CUMAA amended the Federal Credit Union Act 
to, among other things, allow multiple-bond federal credit unions under 
certain circumstances (such as a general limitation on the size of each 
member group to 3,000 members).\18\ In addition, CUMAA reaffirmed the 
federal tax exemption of credit unions, despite contentions that 
allowing multiple-bond credit unions would permit credit unions to 
become more like banks. Specifically, the findings section of CUMAA 
stated:
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    Credit unions, unlike many other participants in the financial 
services market, are exempt from Federal and most State taxes because 
they are member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-profit 
organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors and 
because they have the specified mission of meeting the credit and 
savings needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means.
Arguments for and against Taxation of Credit Unions
    At various times, the executive branch has proposed taxing credit 
unions, generally endorsing the creation of a ``level playing field'' 
among financial institutions in which organizations engaged in similar 
activities would be taxed similarly. Proponents of taxation contend 
that larger credit unions compete with banks in terms of the services 
they provide. Proponents also have questioned the extent that credit 
unions have remained true to their historical mission of providing 
financial services to persons of modest means. In response, opponents 
of the taxation of credit unions have argued that credit unions remain 
distinct organizationally and operationally from other financial 
institutions, providing their membership with services they would not 
receive from other institutions. Opponents also have argued that 
taxation would hinder the ability of credit unions to build capital 
(which is restricted to retained earnings), jeopardizing their safety 
and soundness. Finally, opponents have argued that other depository 
institutions, particularly smaller banks, also have opportunities for 
tax and regulatory relief such as S-corporation status.\19\ Some 
studies have attempted to quantify potential tax revenue from repealing 
the tax exemption, with estimates ranging from $1.2 billion to $3.1 
billion, depending on the fiscal year considered, tax rates used, and 
other underlying assumptions.
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    \19\ See GAO, Banking Taxation: Implications of Proposed Revisions 
Governing S-Corporations on Community Banks, GAO-00-159 (Washington, 
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Arguments for Taxation
    Unlike income retained by most other financial institutions, income 
retained by credit unions is not taxed until it is distributed to 
members. Thus, tax exemption allows credit unions to utilize untaxed 
retained earnings to finance expansion of services. Proponents of 
taxing credit unions claim that this ability to use untaxed retained 
earnings provides credit unions with a competitive advantage over banks 
and thrifts. In 1978, the Carter Administration proposed that the tax-
exempt status of credit unions be gradually eliminated to mitigate this 
advantage and establish parity between credit unions and thrift 
institutions. The Administration also argued that the relaxation of 
rules regarding field of membership criteria, the expansion of credit 
union powers, and the rising median income of credit union members 
indicated that credit unions were no longer true mutual institutions 
serving low-income workers excluded from banking services elsewhere.
    In 1984, the Department of the Treasury (Treasury) report to the 
President included a proposal to repeal the tax exemption of credit 
unions, which also argued that the exemption gave credit unions a 
competitive advantage over other financial institutions and its repeal 
would ``eliminate the incentive for credit unions to retain, rather 
than distribute, current earnings.'' In 1985, the Reagan Administration 
proposed taxing credit unions with more than $5 million in gross 
assets, but would have maintained the exemption on credit unions with 
less than $5 million of gross assets, since it was reasoned that taxing 
small credit unions would significantly increase the administrative 
burden for a relatively small revenue increase.\20\ Similarly, in the 
budget for fiscal year 1993 the first Bush Administration proposed 
taxing credit unions with assets of more than $50 million.
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    \20\ See the President's Tax Proposals to the Congress for 
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    More recent arguments for the taxation of credit unions note the 
strong growth rates among large credit unions, which tend to offer a 
wider array of services. As a result, taxation proponents argue that 
larger credit unions compete with banks in terms of the services they 
provide and the households to which they provide these services. They 
question both the extent to which credit unions serve people of modest 
means and pass on their tax subsidy to members. While limited data are 
available to evaluate the income of credit union members--which 
precludes any definitive conclusion--some studies, including one of our 
own, indicate that credit unions serve a slightly lower proportion of 
households with low and moderate incomes than banks.\21\ We discuss 
this issue in more detail later in this statement.
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Arguments against Taxation
    Arguments against repealing the tax exemption for credit unions 
assert that the exemption does not offer competitive advantages and 
that it is justified by the unique services credit unions offer and by 
their capital structure. As we reported in 1991, credit unions as 
organizations are exempt from federal and state income taxes. However, 
the income that their members receive is taxed. Members who receive 
dividends on share accounts are taxed on that income, just as 
depositors at commercial banks are taxed on interest income from 
savings or checking accounts. If credit unions distribute all income to 
shareholders and do not retain earnings at the entity level, all income 
will be taxed at the individual level. In this case, credit unions 
would have little tax advantage relative to taxable mutual financial 
institutions, whose income is taxed once at either the individual or 
entity level.
    In 2005 and in previous testimonies, trade and industry groups and 
private individuals presented arguments supporting the tax-exempt 
status of credit unions, maintaining that tax-exempt status is 
justified because credit unions provide unique services, such as small 
loans, financial counseling, and low-cost checking accounts that for-
profit financial institutions are unable or unwilling to provide.\22\ 
They stated that taxing credit unions would lead credit unions away 
from their mutual, nonprofit orientation and structure, leading to 
reductions in these types of services. They also testified that 
taxation would hinder credit unions in building reserves, and since 
credit unions do not have the ability to raise capital through the sale 
of stock, their safety and soundness would be jeopardized. They argued 
that while the number of large credit unions has grown over the last 10 
years, they hold a relatively small share of overall depository 
institution assets. Opponents also argued that there is no clear 
rationale for targeting larger credit unions because, regardless of 
asset size, larger credit unions retain a distinct organizational 
structure and must still adhere to limits on their field of membership 
as sanctioned by Congress. Furthermore, they argued that larger credit 
unions, relative to smaller credit unions, were more stable and 
efficient and therefore better able to offer programs targeted to low- 
and moderate-income households.
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    \22\ Representatives of the Credit Union National Association, the 
National Association of Federal Credit Unions, and the Consumer 
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    Opponents of credit union taxation also have argued that other 
financial institutions are not without tax privileges and tax relief. 
Specifically, credit union trade organizations have pointed out that an 
increasing number of banks have converted to S-corporation status and, 
thereby, have avoided paying corporate income taxes. In general, U.S. 
tax law treats corporations and their investors as separate taxable 
entities. Corporate earnings are taxed first at the corporate level and 
again at the shareholder level, as dividends if the corporation 
distributes earnings to shareholders, or as capital gains from the sale 
of stock. In contrast, the earnings of S-corporations are taxed only 
once at the shareholder level, whether or not the income is 
distributed. Corporations that elect Subchapter S status are subject to 
certain restrictions on the number of shareholders and capital 
structure. For example, an S-corporation may not have more than 75 
shareholders, all of whom must be U.S. resident individuals (except for 
certain trusts and estates) and may issue only one class of stock. 
Prior to 1996, banks and other depository institutions could not elect 
S-corporation status. A provision of the Small Business Job Protection 
Act of 1996 repealed this prohibition.
    Like credit unions, mutual thrifts are owned by their depositors 
and their equity is derived from retained earnings. Mutual thrifts are 
permitted a tax deduction for amounts paid or credited to their 
depositors as dividends on their accounts if the amounts may be 
withdrawn on demand (subject only to the customary notice of intention 
to withdraw). These dividends are taxed only at the depositor level, 
whether they represent interest or a return on equity, so that mutual 
thrifts are taxed only on retained earnings. Further, some farmer's 
cooperatives are allowed additional tax deductions for dividends on 
capital stock and distributions to patrons. The earnings of a 
cooperative generally flow through to the patron and are taxed once at 
that level. Finally, some other similar entities, like rural electric 
associations and telephone cooperatives are tax-exempt.\23\
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    \23\ There are three categories of cooperatives under the Internal 
Revenue Code: (1) exempt farmers cooperatives, described in section 
521; (2) certain mutual or cooperative entities described in section 
501(c)(12), which are exempt from taxation pursuant to section 501(a); 
and (3) taxable cooperatives, governed by subchapter T of the code 
(sections 1381-1388).
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Estimates of the Potential Tax Revenues from Taxing Corporations Vary 
        Widely Based on the Source and Underlying Assumptions
    Governmental entities have attempted to estimate the potential 
revenue to the federal government from repealing the tax exemption that 
ranged from $1.2 billion to $1.6 billion on an annualized basis. In a 
2001 report, the Department of the Treasury estimated potential revenue 
between $1.2 billion and $1.4 billion annualized over the five year 
period from 2000-2004, and $1.4 and $1.6 billion over the ten-year 
period from 2000 to 2009, if all credit unions were taxed. More 
recently, in Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the United States 
Government Fiscal Year 2005, Treasury estimated the potential tax 
revenue from repealing the credit union tax exemption at $7.88 billion 
from fiscal years 2005 through 2009, or $1.58 billion on average 
annually.\24\ However, according to Treasury officials, the 2005 
Analytical Perspectives estimate did not account for any behavioral 
changes in response to taxation by credit unions in contrast with 
estimates from their earlier 2001 study. The Joint Committee on 
Taxation in a February 2005 Congressional Budget Office report 
estimated that taxing credit unions with assets greater than $10 
million dollars would potentially raise $6.5 billion from fiscal years 
2006 through 2010, or $1.3 billion on average annually over that five 
year period.\25\
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    \24\ U.S. Department of the Treasury estimates as published in 
Analytical Perspectives: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal 
Year 2005, (Washington, D.C.: 2004).
    \25\ Joint Committee on Taxation estimates as published in the 
Congressional Budget Office's Budget Options (Washington, D.C.: 
February 2005).
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    Nongovernmental entities have produced estimates that tend to be 
higher than the estimates generated by government agencies. A study 
issued by the Tax Foundation, which was funded by the Independent 
Community Bankers of America, estimated the potential revenue from 
taxing all insured credit unions to be as high as $3.1 billion per year 
when averaged over the 10-year period from 2004 to 2013.\26\ Another 
private study conducted by Chmura Economics & Analytics for the 
Jefferson Institute for Public Policy estimated the revenue from taxing 
all credit unions to be $1.89 billion in 2002, when the same corporate 
tax rate as banks paid was applied to credit unions (in categories 
differentiated by asset size).\27\ In reviewing these studies, we note 
that assumptions vary on the tax rates imposed and the response of 
credit unions to the imposition of taxes (such as distributing higher 
dividends, lowering loan rates, or increasing deposit rates, which 
would reduce taxable income and therefore potential tax revenue). 
However, large credit unions, though small in numbers, are responsible 
for a disproportionate amount of the potential tax revenue as compared 
with small credit unions.
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    \26\ John A. Tatom, Competitive Advantage: A Study of the Federal 
Tax Exemption for Credit Unions (The Tax Foundation: Washington, D.C.: 
2005).
    \27\ Chmura Economics & Analytics, An Assessment of the Competitive 
Environment Between Credit Unions and Banks (Jefferson Institute for 
Public Policy: Virginia, May 2004).
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Historical Distinctions between Credit Unions and Other Depository 
        Institutions Have Continued to Blur
    Since 1992, credit unions have become less distinct from other 
depository institutions of similar size, particularly in terms of the 
products and services offered by larger credit unions. Between 1992 and 
2004, the total assets held by federally insured credit unions more 
than doubled, while the total number of federally insured credit unions 
declined. As a result of the increase in total assets and the decline 
in the number of federally insured credit unions, the credit union 
industry has seen an increase in the average size of its institutions 
and a slight increase in the concentration of assets. Total assets in 
federally insured credit unions grew from $258 billion in 1992 to $647 
billion in 2004, an increase of 150 percent. During this same period 
the number of federally insured credit unions fell from 12,595 to 
9,014. As of the end of 1992, credit unions with more than $100 million 
in assets represented 4 percent of all credit unions and 52 percent of 
total assets; as of the end of 2004, credit unions with more than $100 
million in assets represented about 13 percent of all credit unions and 
79 percent of total assets. From 1992 to 2004, the 50 largest credit 
unions (by asset size) went from holding around 18 percent of industry 
assets to around 24 percent of industry assets.
    This industry consolidation contributed to a widening gap between 
two distinct groups of federally insured credit unions--larger credit 
unions, which are relatively few in number and provide a wider range of 
services, and smaller credit unions, which are greater in number and 
provide more basic banking services. Figure 1 illustrates institution 
size and asset distribution in the credit union industry, with 
institutions classified by asset ranges. As of December 31, 2004, the 
2,873 smallest credit unions--those with $5 million or less in total 
assets--constituted almost one-third of all credit unions but slightly 
less than one percent of the industry's total assets. Conversely, the 
98 credit unions with assets over $1 billion (up to just under $23 
billion) held 33 percent of total industry assets but represented just 
1 percent of all credit unions. In our 2003 report, we noted that as of 
December 31, 2002, 71 credit unions with assets over $1 billion held 27 
percent of total industry assets.
Figure 1: Credit Union Industry Size and Total Assets Distribution, as 
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    Note: This figure depicts credit union industry distribution in 
terms of the number of federally insured credit unions in a particular 
asset size category and the percentage of industry assets that are held 
by credit unions in that category.

    As credit unions' assets have grown in recent years, credit unions 
have generally shifted to larger loans such as mortgages. Between 1992 
and 2004, the amount of first mortgage loans held grew from $29 billion 
to $130 billion, while that of new vehicle loans increased from $29 
billion to $71 billion and that of used vehicle loans increased from 
$17 billion to $85 billion. In terms of the relative importance of 
different loan types, we compared the growth in the amounts of various 
loan types relative to credit unions' assets over the same period. 
Amounts held in first mortgage loans grew from around 11 percent of 
assets in 1992 to around 20 percent of assets in 2004, while amounts 
held in used vehicle loans grew from just under 7 percent to slightly 
more than 13 percent.
    As shown in figure 2, larger credit unions generally held 
relatively larger loans (e.g., first mortgage loans) than smaller 
credit unions, which generally held relatively more small loans (e.g., 
used vehicle loans). Since 1992, the amount of first mortgage loans 
held relative to assets has more than doubled for credit unions with 
over $1 billion in assets, from around 12 percent to over 25 percent of 
assets, while it has grown less than 40 percent for credit unions with 
less than $100 million in assets, from around 9 percent to slightly 
more than 12 percent of assets.
Figure 2: Loan Types as a Percentage of Total Assets, Smallest verus 
        Largest Credit Unions, 1992-2004

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    The discrepancy between smaller and larger credit unions is more 
apparent through an analysis of more recently collected data on more 
sophisticated product and service offerings, such as the availability 
of automatic teller machines (ATM) and electronic banking (see table 
1). While less than half of the smallest credit unions offered ATMs and 
one-third offered transactional websites, nearly all larger credit 
unions offered these services.

                            Table 1: Credit Union Size and Offerings of More Sophisticated Services, as of December 31, 2004
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                                                                   Financial   services           Electronic
                                                          Group     Services   through           applications
                 Asset range                   Number    assets     through     audio     ATMs      for new    Informational  Interactive  Transactional
                                                       (billions)     the      response              loans
                                                                    Internet   or phone
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$10 million or less                             7,859      $138        37.8       44.3     47.0       25.3           16.0           4.0          32.9
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Greater than $100 millions to $250 million        644      $102        94.7       97.4     95.0       82.1            3.7           2.2          92.2
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Greater than $250 to $500 million                 266       $94        98.5       98.5     96.6       89.8            0.8           1.5          97.0
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Greater than $500 million to $1 billion           147      $100        98.0       98.0     98.0       92.5            2.0           1.4          95.9
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Greater than $1 billion                            98      $213        98.0       98.0     98.0       95.9            1.0           2.0          96.9
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Total                                           9,014      $647        51.2       51.2     53.3       33.1           14.3           3.7          40.7
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Source: GAO analysis of NCUA Form 5300 data.
Note: Data are based on all federally insured credit unions filing call reports.

    Despite the growth in credit union assets over recent years, the 
credit union industry remains much smaller than the banking industry, 
with credit unions representing around 6 percent of total assets of 
both industries.\28\ For example, at the end of 2004, the largest 
credit union had nearly $23 billion in assets, while the largest bank, 
with $967 billion in assets, was larger than the entire credit union 
industry combined.
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    \28\ Credit union assets grew from $438 billion at year-end 2000 to 
$647 billion at year-end 2004--an increase of 48 percent--while banking 
industry assets grew from $7.5 trillion at year-end 2000 to $10.1 
trillion at year-end 2004--an increase of 35 percent. Credit unions 
represented 6.0 percent of the combined assets of the banking and 
credit union industries as of December 31, 2004, versus 5.6 percent as 
of December 31, 2000.
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    Although credit unions are on average much smaller than banks, 
larger credit unions and banks of comparable size tend to offer the 
same products and services (see fig. 3).\29\ In particular, nearly all 
banks and larger credit unions reported holding first mortgage loans, 
while a majority of the smaller credit unions did not.
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    \29\ Given the disproportionate size of the banking industry 
relative to the credit union industry--the average credit union had $72 
million in assets versus $1.1 billion in assets for the average bank at 
year-end 2004--we developed peer groups by asset size to mitigate the 
effects of this discrepancy. We constructed five peer groups in terms 
of institution size as measured by total assets, reported as of 
December 31, 2004. We further refined the sample of FDIC-insured 
institutions to exclude those banks and thrifts we determined had 
emphases in credit card or mortgage loans. The largest bank included in 
our analyses had total assets of nearly $23 billion at year-end 2004, 
and the average bank in this peer group sample had $359 million in 
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Figure 3: Percentage of Credit Unions and Banks Holding Various Loans, 
        by Institution Size, as of December 31, 2004

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    Notes: Data are based on all federally insured credit unions, 
banks, and thrifts filing call reports. We excluded insured U.S. 
branches of foreign-chartered institutions and banks that we determined 
had emphases in credit card or mortgage loans. Credit union data on 
other consumer loans may include member business and agricultural 
loans. Agricultural and business loans for credit unions include both 
member business loans and participation in nonmember loans.
The Extent to Which Credit Unions Serve Persons of Modest Means Is Not 
        Definitively Known because of Limited Data and Lack of 
        Indicators
    While credit union fields of membership have expanded, the extent 
to which they serve people or communities of low or moderate incomes is 
not definitively known. In 1998, CUMAA affirmed preexisting NCUA 
policies that had allowed credit unions to expand their field of 
membership and include underserved areas.\30\ After the legislation was 
passed, NCUA revised its regulations to enable credit unions to serve 
larger communities or geographic areas. As they have become larger and 
begun offering a wider variety of services, questions have been raised 
about whether credit unions are more likely than banks to serve 
households with low and moderate incomes. However, limited 
comprehensive data are available to evaluate the income of credit union 
members. Our assessment of available data--the Federal Reserve's 2001 
Survey of Consumer Finances (SCF) and other studies--provided some 
indication that, compared with banks, credit unions served a slightly 
lower proportion of households with low and moderate incomes. Although 
NCUA has undertaken initiatives to enhance the availability of 
financial services to individuals of modest means, as of October 15, 
2005, it had not implemented our 2003 recommendation to develop 
indicators to evaluate the progress credit unions made in reaching the 
underserved.
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    \30\ The Federal Credit Union Act defines an ``underserved area'' 
as a local community, neighborhood, or rural district that is an 
``investment area'' as defined by the Community Development Banking and 
Financial Institutions Act of 1994. An investment area includes 
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Credit Unions Can Serve More People and Larger Areas because CUMAA 
        Permitted NCUA to Continue Preexisting Policies That Expanded 
        Field of Membership
    In 1998, the Supreme Court ruled against NCUA's practice of 
permitting federally chartered credit unions based on multiple 
bonds.\31\ Subsequently, Congress passed CUMAA, which specifically 
permits multiple-bond credit unions. The act permits these credit 
unions to retain their current membership and authorizes their future 
formation.\32\ Figure 4 provides additional information on the percent 
and assets of federally chartered credit unions by bond type. While 
multiple-bond credit unions have constituted on average slightly under 
50 percent of all credit unions since 2000, they tend to be larger than 
the other two types of credit union bonds in terms of asset size.\33\ 
For example, at year-end 2004, multiple bond credit unions made up 45 
percent of the total number of federal credit unions but represented 57 
percent of federal credit union assets.
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    \31\ National Credit Union Administration v. First National Bank & 
Trust Company. 522 U.S. 479 (1998).
    \32\ See 12 U.S.C.  1759(b), (d), as amended.
    \33\ With the exception of the statistics provided for multiple-
bond credit unions for 1996, NCUA cannot provide us data on federal 
chartering trends before 2000. However, NCUA was able to report that by 
1996, about half of all federally chartered credit unions were 
multiple-bond credit unions.
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Figure 4: Percent and Assets of Federally Chartered Credit Unions, by 
        Bond, 2000-2004

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    Note: NCUA provided revised data for the year 2000 from that 
previously provided for our 2003 report.

    In addition to permitting multiple-bond credit unions, CUMAA 
further qualifies the definition of community bond. The act adds the 
word ``local'' to the preexisting requirement that community-based 
credit unions serve a ``well-defined community, neighborhood or rural 
district,'' but provides no guidance on how ``local'' or any other part 
of this requirement should be defined.\34\ However, after the passage 
of CUMAA, NCUA revised its regulations to make it easier for credit 
unions to serve increasingly larger areas (e.g., entire cities or 
counties). As a result, NCUA approved a community-based charter 
application in July 2005 covering Los Angeles County with a potential 
membership of 9.6 million.
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    \34\ Pub. L. No. 105-219  101. See 12 U.S.C.  1759(c)(2), as 
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Limited Comprehensive Data Are Available to Evaluate Income of Credit 
        Union Members
    While it has been generally accepted that credit unions 
historically have emphasized service to people with modest means; 
currently, there are no comprehensive data on the income 
characteristics of credit union members, particularly those who 
actually receive loans and other services. Industry groups and consumer 
advocates have debated which economic groups benefit from credit union 
services, especially in light of the credit unions' exemption from 
federal income taxes. As stated in our 1991 report, and still true, 
none of the common-bond criteria available to federally chartered 
credit unions refer to the economic status of their members or 
potential members.
    Information on the extent to which credit unions are lending and 
providing services to households with various incomes is scarce because 
NCUA, industry trade groups, and most states (with the exception of 
Massachusetts and Connecticut) have not collected specific information 
describing the income of credit union members who obtain loans or 
benefit from other credit union services.\35\ Credit unions--even those 
serving geographic areas--are not subject to the federal Community 
Reinvestment Act (CRA), which requires banking regulators to examine 
and rate banks and thrifts on lending and service to low- and moderate-
income neighborhoods in their assessment area.\36\ Consequently, NCUA 
and most state regulators do not require credit unions to maintain data 
on the extent to which loans and other services are being provided to 
households with various incomes.
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    \35\ The Credit Union National Association, a trade association, 
collects information about the characteristics (for example, income, 
race, and age) of credit union members but not specifically the income 
levels of members who actually receive mortgage and consumer loans or 
use other services. Also, Massachusetts and Connecticut collect 
information on the distribution of credit union lending by household 
income and the availability of services because their state-chartered 
credit unions are subject to examinations similar to those of federally 
regulated institutions. Massachusetts established its examination 
procedures in 1982 and Connecticut in 2001.
    \36\ CRA requires federal bank and thrift regulators to encourage 
depository institutions under their jurisdiction to help meet the 
credit needs of the local communities, including low- and moderate-
income areas, in which they are chartered, consistent with safe and 
sound operations. See 12 U.S.C. ff 2901, 2903, and 2906 (2000). Federal 
bank and thrift regulators conduct CRA examinations to evaluate the 
services that depository institutions provide to low- and moderate-
income neighborhoods. However, CRA provides for enforcement only when 
regulators evaluate an institution's application for a merger or new 
branch, requiring that the agencies take an institution's record of 
meeting the credit needs of its community into account.
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Federal Reserve Board Data Suggest That Credit Unions Serve a Slightly 
        Lower Proportion of Low- and Moderate-Income Households Than Do 
        Banks
    Our prior work, which included an analysis of data from the Federal 
Reserve Board's 2001 SCF, suggested that credit unions overall served a 
lower percentage of households of modest means (low- and moderate-
income households combined) than banks.\37\ More specifically, while 
credit unions served a slightly higher percentage of moderate-income 
households than banks, they served a much lower percentage of low-
income households. We combined the SCF data into two main groups--
households that primarily and only used credit unions versus households 
that primarily and only used banks.\38\ As shown in figure 5, this 
analysis indicated that about 36 percent of households that primarily 
and only used credit unions had low or moderate incomes, compared to 42 
percent of households that used banks. Moreover, our analysis suggested 
that a greater percentage of households that primarily and only used 
credit unions were in the middle and upper income grouping than the 
proportion of households that primarily and only used banks.
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    \37\ The SCF is an interview survey of U.S. households conducted by 
the Federal Reserve Board that includes questions about household 
income and specifically asks whether households use credit unions or 
banks. It is conducted every 3 years and is intended to provide 
detailed information on the balance sheet, pension, income, and other 
demographic characteristics of U.S. households, and their use of 
financial institutions.
    \38\ See GAO-04-91, pages 19-23, for a more detailed discussion of 
our analysis and limitations of the SCF data.
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Figure 5: Income Characteristics of Households Using Credit Unions 
        versus Banks, and Low and Moderate Income versus Middle and 
        High Income

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    Note: We used the same income categories as used by federal 
regulators in their CRA examinations.

    We also looked at each of the four income categories separately. As 
shown in figure 6, this analysis suggested that the percentage of 
households in the low-income category that used credit unions only and 
primarily (16 percent) was lower than the percentage of these 
households that used banks (26 percent). In contrast, more moderate- 
and middle-income households were likely to use credit unions only and 
primarily (41 percent) than banks (33 percent). Given that credit union 
membership traditionally has been tied to occupational- or employer-
based fields of membership, that higher percentages of moderate- and 
middle-income households using credit unions is not surprising.
Figure 6: Income Characteristics of Households Using Credit Unions 
        versus Banks, by Four Income Categories

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    Note: We found no statistical difference in the percent of upper-
income households when the ``primarily and only'' using credit union 
group and the ``primarily and only'' using bank group were compared.

    We also attempted to further explore the income distribution of 
credit unions members by separately analyzing households that only used 
credit unions or banks from those that primarily used credit unions or 
banks. However, the results were ambiguous and difficult to interpret, 
due to the characteristics of the households in the SCF database. For 
example, because such a high percent of the U.S. population only uses 
banks (62 percent), the data obtained from the SCF is particularly 
useful for describing characteristics of bank users but much less 
precise for describing smaller population groups, such as those that 
only used credit unions (8 percent).
    Other relatively recent studies--notably, by the Credit Union 
National Association and the Woodstock Institute--generally concluded 
that credit unions served a somewhat higher-income population. The 
studies also noted that the higher income levels could be due to the 
full-time employment status of credit union members.\39\ Officials from 
NCUA and the Federal Reserve Board also noted that credit union members 
were likely to have higher incomes than nonmembers because credit 
unions are occupationally based. A National Federation of Community 
Development Credit Unions representative noted that because credit 
union membership is largely based on employment, relatively few credit 
unions are located in low-income communities.\40\ However, without 
additional research, especially on the extent to which credit unions 
with a community base serve all their potential members, it is 
difficult to know whether the relative importance of full-time 
employment is the primary explanatory factor.
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    \39\ Credit Union National Association 2002 National Member Survey 
and Woodstock Institute, Rhetoric and Reality: An Analysis of 
Mainstream Credit Unions' Record of Serving Low Income People (February 
2002).
    \40\ The National Federation of Community Development Credit Unions 
represents and provides, among other things, financial, technical 
assistance, and human resources to about 215 community development 
credit unions for the purpose of reaching low-income consumers.
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NCUA Has Established Initiatives That Target Low-Income Individuals and 
        Underserved Areas
    NCUA recently has established two initiatives to further enhance 
the availability of financial services to individuals of modest means: 
the low-income credit union program and expansion into underserved 
areas. According to NCUA, its Low Income Credit Unions (LICU) program 
is designed to assist credit unions whose members are of modest means 
in obtaining technical and financial services. LICUs grew in number 
from more than 600 in 2000 to nearly 1,000 by the end of 2004. To 
obtain a low-income designation from NCUA, an existing credit union 
must establish that a majority of its members meet the low-income 
definition.\41\ According to NCUA, credit unions that meet this 
criterion are presumed to be serving predominantly low-income members. 
Also, newly chartered credit unions can receive low-income designation 
based on the income characteristics of potential members.
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    \41\ Section 701.34 of NCUA's Rules and Regulations defines the 
term ``low-income members'' as those members who (1) make less than 80 
percent of the average for all wage earners as established by the 
Bureau of Labor Statistics or (2) whose annual household income falls 
at or below 80 percent of the median household income for the nation as 
established by the Census Bureau. The term ``low-income members'' also 
includes members who are full--or part-time students in a college, 
university, high school, or vocational school.
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    Credit unions that receive a low-income designation from NCUA are 
measured against the same standards of safety and soundness as other 
credit unions. However, NCUA grants benefits that other credit unions 
do not have, including:

      greater authority to accept deposits from nonmembers such 
as voluntary health and welfare organizations;
      ccess to low-interest loans, deposits, and technical 
assistance through participation in NCUA's Community Development 
Revolving Loan Fund;
      ability to offer uninsured secondary capital accounts and 
include these accounts in the credit union's net worth for the purposes 
of meeting its regulatory capital requirements;\42\ and
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    \42\ A ``secondary capital instrument'' is either unsecured debt or 
debt that has a lower priority than that of another debt on the same 
asset. These subordinated debt instruments are not backed or guaranteed 
by the federal share insurance fund.
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      a waiver of the aggregate loan limit for member business 
loans.

    NCUA has stated that one of its goals is to encourage the expansion 
of membership and make quality credit union services available to all 
eligible persons. It has done so in part by allowing credit unions to 
expand into underserved areas in recent years, from 40 in 2000 to 564 
in 2004 (see fig. 7).
Figure 7: Credit Union Expansions into Underserved Areas, 2000--2004

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    CUMAA and NCUA's Interpretive Ruling and Policy Statement (IRPS) 
03-1, the Chartering and Field of Membership Manual, allows credit 
unions to include in their fields of membership, without regard to 
location, communities in underserved areas. The Federal Credit Union 
Act defines an underserved area as a local community, neighborhood, or 
rural district that is an ``investment area'' as defined by the 
Community Development Banking and Financial Institutions Act of 1994--
that is, experiencing poverty, low income, or unemployment.\43\ In 
order to expand into an underserved area, credit unions must receive 
approval from NCUA by demonstrating that a community qualifies as an 
investment area. Credit unions must also provide a business plan 
describing how the underserved community will be served. Finally, 
although the underserved and LICU initiatives are intended to help 
serve the underserved, NCUA does not collect data such as overall 
income levels of individuals using specific credit union products.
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    \43\ Quoted from NCUA Chartering and Field Membership Manual, March 
2003, p.3-4 & 3-5
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NCUA Has Not Fully Implemented Our Recommendation to Develop Indicators 
        to Evaluate Credit Union Progress in Reaching the Underserved
    Although NCUA has targeted underserved individuals and areas, in 
our 2003 report on credit unions we found that NCUA had data on 
potential--but not actual--membership of low- and moderate-income 
individuals in underserved areas adopted by credit unions. We 
recommended that NCUA use tangible indicators, other than potential 
membership, to determine whether credit unions have provided greater 
access to credit union services in underserved areas.\44\
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    As of October 15, 2005, NCUA had not adopted any indicators. 
According to NCUA, it has established a working group to study credit 
union success in reaching people of modest means. NCUA indicated that 
the working group was exploring meaningful measures of success for this 
objective, determining how to best quantify the measures with available 
or readily obtainable data. The working group has also been evaluating 
the impact of other regulations, such as the Privacy of Consumer 
Financial Information, on the collection and use of such data. 
According to NCUA officials, as of October 15, 2005, the working group 
had not issued its report or recommendations.
Credit Unions Lack Transparency on Executive Compensation and Larger 
        Credit Unions Do Not Have to Report on Effectiveness of 
        Internal Controls
    Most credit unions are not subject to IRS and other federal 
reporting requirements that would disclose information such as 
executive compensation and assessments of internal controls for 
financial reporting--information that can enhance public confidence in 
tax-exempt entities. Public availability of key financial information 
(that is, transparency) can provide incentives for ethical and 
effective operations as well as support oversight of the tax-exempt 
entities. At the same time, the disclosure of such information helps to 
achieve and maintain public trust.
    Recognizing the importance of transparency for tax-exempt entities, 
Congress made returns of the IRS Form 990 (Return of Organizations 
Exempt from Income Tax) into publicly available documents. Since tax 
exemptions are granted to entities so that they can carry out 
particular missions or activities that Congress judges to be of special 
value, the public availability of Form 990 promotes public oversight. 
Most tax-exempt organizations, other than private foundations with 
gross receipts of $25,000 or more, are required to file Form 990 
annually. The form contains information on an organization's income, 
expenditures, and ``activities'' including compensation information for 
officers, directors, trustees, and key employees. IRS also uses these 
forms to select organizations for examination.
    However, most credit unions do not individually file Form 990. In 
2002 and 2003, credit unions filed 1,435 and 1,389 Form 990s, 
respectively. On August 23, 1988, IRS issued a determination that 
annually filing Form 990 was not required for federal credit unions 
because of their status as tax-exempt organizations under section 
501(c)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code. Depending on the state, some 
state-chartered credit unions file through a group filing process. For 
these states, IRS receives only the names and addresses of individual 
credit unions. As a result, scrutiny of the compensation of credit 
union executives and other key personnel is difficult. As you are 
aware, we have ongoing work in this and other areas, and we hope to 
provide you with additional information on the compensation of credit 
union executives and officials as part of this follow-up work.
    As noted in our 2003 report, the Federal Credit Union Act, as 
amended, requires credit unions with assets over $500 million to obtain 
an annual independent audit of financial statements by an independent 
certified public accountant. But, unlike banks and thrifts, these 
credit unions are not required to report on the effectiveness of their 
internal controls for financial reporting. Under FDICIA and its 
implementing regulations, banks and thrifts with assets over $500 
million are required to prepare an annual management report that 
contains:

      a statement of management's responsibility for preparing 
the institution's annual financial statements, for establishing and 
maintaining an adequate internal control structure and procedures for 
financial reporting, and for complying with designated laws and 
regulations relating to safety and soundness; and
      management's assessment of the effectiveness of the 
institution's internal control structure and procedures for financial 
reporting as of the end of the fiscal year and the institution's 
compliance with the designated safety and soundness laws and 
regulations during the fiscal year.\45\
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    \45\ 12 U.S.C.  1831m; 12 C.F.R. Part 363 (2003).

    Additionally, the institution's independent accountants are 
required to attest to management's assertions concerning the 
effectiveness of the institution's internal control structure and 
procedures for financial reporting. The institution's management report 
and the accountant's attestation report must be filed with the 
institution's primary federal regulator and any appropriate state 
depository institution supervisor, and must be available for public 
inspection.
    The reports, with their assessments and attestations on internal 
controls, allow depository institution regulators to gain increased 
assurance about the reliability of financial reporting. Also as we 
stated in our 2003 report, the extension of the internal control 
reporting requirement to credit unions with assets over $500 million 
could provide NCUA with an additional tool to assess the reliability of 
internal controls over financial reporting.
    Moreover, bank and thrift reporting requirements under FDICIA are 
similar to the public company reporting requirements in the Sarbanes-
Oxley Act of 2002. Under Sarbanes-Oxley, public companies are required 
to establish and maintain adequate internal control structures and 
procedures for financial reporting; the company's auditor is also 
required to attest to, and report on, the assessment made by company 
management on the effectiveness of internal controls. As a result of 
FDICIA and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, reports on management's assessment 
of the effectiveness of internal controls over financial reporting and 
the independent auditor's attestation on management's assessment have 
become normal business practice for financial institutions and 
businesses.
    In a letter dated October 2003, NCUA's Chairman stated that while 
the Sarbanes-Oxley Act does not apply specifically to federal credit 
unions, certain provisions may be appropriate to consider for some 
federal credit unions. Federal credit unions are encouraged (but not 
required) to consider the guidance provided and are urged to 
periodically review their policies and procedures as they relate to 
matters of corporate governance and auditing.
    Mr. Chairman, this concludes my prepared statement. I would be 
pleased to respond to any questions you or other Members of the 
committee may have.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you very much, and to determine 
whether or not there are any Members who wish to inquire, the 
Chair's inquiry will be withheld until the end of the Members' 
responses. The Chair would recognize the gentleman from 
Florida, Mr. Shaw.
    Mr. SHAW. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Johnson, in your 
testimony you gave us a good overview as to the structure of 
member-owned--as to credit unions. Do the members receive 
complete financial statements from the credit unions such as 
they would in a corporation?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Members receive monthly statements, just 
like----
    Mr. SHAW. Now, I am not talking about their own account. I 
am talking about----
    Ms. JOHNSON. There is an annual report and the regular 
statements on a monthly basis. The monthly financials are 
posted monthly.
    Mr. SHAW. All right. That is of the overall structure 
itself?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Correct.
    Mr. SHAW. This would be reported to them. Do they get--do 
accountants come in and do--CPAs come in and do opinion reports 
on them?
    Ms. JOHNSON. They have their regularly scheduled audit, 
opinion audits. The examining from the regulator is done on a 
regularly scheduled basis, typically either annually or up to 
18 months. But, yes, they are required to have audits on a 
regular basis.
    Mr. SHAW. Does that information include salaries paid by 
the credit union to the officers of the corporation, of the 
credit union?
    Ms. JOHNSON. We do not collect salary information 
specifically. It has not been required. Federal credit unions 
are not required to fill out the 990Ts, and so that information 
is not gathered individually.
    Mr. SHAW. Can the individual members get that information? 
What I am trying to do is establish ownership rights here. Can 
the individual get that information if they request it?
    Ms. JOHNSON. The credit unions are managed by a volunteer 
board, and the salaries, and so forth, are set by that 
volunteer board, and the audit and supervisor Committee and the 
board of directors take care of that part of the management. It 
is set by the volunteers who are elected by the members of the 
credit union.
    Mr. SHAW. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from New York wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. RANGEL. Thank you. Mr. Hillman, with your Government 
Accountability investigation, could you share with us whether 
the for-profit banks--what salaries they pay to the executives 
and employees?
    Mr. HILLMAN. We have not gathered information on the 
banking industry as part of this review, but all publicly owned 
companies are required through SEC filings to provide 
information on salaries of key officers and directors.
    Mr. RANGEL. Ms. Johnson, do you know whether or not your 
salaries are competitive or in line with the salaries that are 
paid in similar institutions that operated for profit?
    Ms. JOHNSON. As I said, we don't collect individual salary 
information. The only bit of information I could give you, on a 
recent website of one of the firms that is working on behalf of 
those that are looking perhaps to convert from a credit union 
to a bank charter, they do have on their website, according to 
their information, that credit union CEOs are paid 
approximately 57 percent less than their counterparts.
    Mr. RANGEL. Well, throughout your testimony, it seems as 
though you were advocating a position that credit unions should 
not be taxed. Are there any reasons politically that you 
believe that there is any consideration about doing that? If 
so, what is it?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Congressman, the rhetoric is around all the 
time, I guess. I know when I served as Chairman of the Senate 
Ways and Means Committee back in Iowa, the rhetoric was 
happening back then as well. I believe the questions that are 
asked today about the validity of the tax-exemption are very--
they are necessary. I did the same thing in my role back home. 
But I would tell you that when you are looking to see whether 
you are getting your money's worth for this tax-exemption, I 
would assure you that you are getting a lot of bang for the 
buck. If you set the stage a little bit with the bank versus 
credit union stature as it is, it is important to note that 
credit unions only comprise about 6 percent of the industry, of 
the assets.
    Mr. RANGEL. Yes, but what I am getting to is that Mr. 
Miller would agree that even though the IRS does not have a 
policy, that the Secretary of the Treasury has publicly stated 
that he is opposed to taxing credit unions. The President of 
the United States and the leader of the free world has 
indicated that he opposes taxing of tax-exempt. So, who would 
you think represents the concept that would threaten you 
politically?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Only the competition that would like to see 
competition go away.
    Mr. RANGEL. So, you do not feel that threat coming from the 
Congress or this Committee.
    Ms. JOHNSON. I have never had it expressed by a Member of 
Congress, no.
    Mr. RANGEL. You have not?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Not directly.
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman yield back the time?
    Mr. RANGEL. Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentlewoman from Connecticut wish 
to inquire?
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Thank you. Mr. Miller, in your testimony you 
say that credit unions are not required to file the IRS forms 
that most other tax-exempt entities are required to file, and I 
would like you to enlarge on that. Then I would like you to 
enlarge on your claim that credit unions are not subject to 
internal control reporting requirements that are applicable to 
banks and thrifts.
    Mr. MILLER. Well, Congresswoman Johnson, as to the first 
item on the filing requirements, again, we need to divide our 
world between the federally chartered and the State-chartered 
entities. The federally chartered entities, by reason of being 
an instrumentality of the U.S. Government, do not have to file 
Forms 990 with the Service, like any other instrumentality. The 
States do have to file with us. Now, we received in, I think, 
2003 something in excess of 1,360 Forms 990 from some States. 
We also receive because we have a process that allows for the 
filing of a group consolidated return, from 21 States we 
receive consolidated returns, and that contained aggregate 
information on another 2,000 entities. So, we do have, you 
know, something in the range of 3,500 or something in the 
range--of entities that file with us, 2,000 of those are filing 
on a consolidated basis. I do not, unfortunately, have an 
answer for you on the internal controls, but perhaps my 
colleague from the Accountability Office could help out.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Mr. Hillman?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Yes, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation 
Improvement Act requires banks and thrifts with assets over 
$500 million to prepared an annual management report that 
contains a statement of managers' responsibilities for 
preparing the institution's annual financial statements, and 
for establishing and maintaining an adequate internal control 
structure and procedures for financial reporting. Management 
assessments are also required on the effectiveness of the 
institution's internal control structures and procedures for 
financial reporting. Indeed, internal auditors and external 
reviewers are required to attest to management's assertion of 
their internal control standards. As it relates to credit 
unions, they currently are not required to provide for those 
management assertions or for their external auditors to provide 
for independent attestations of the effectiveness and quality 
of the internal control structures. In a report that we 
provided to the NCUA and to the Congress, we recommended that 
the NCUA consider requiring their entities to have external 
reviews of their internal control structures. Indeed, we 
recommended to the Congress that they amend the Federal Deposit 
Insurance Corporation Improvement Act to cause such things to 
occur. That action is currently under consideration within the 
Congress.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Without that, what kinds of abuses are 
possible?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Having a properly structured internal control 
function was very important in considering recent legislation 
in the Sarbanes-Oxley Act for public companies, for example, 
financial statements were being prepared that were not 
accurately reflecting the financial position of the entities, 
and management was basically indicating that they had no 
knowledge of the extent to which those numbers were accurate or 
correct or could be held to any scrutiny. The Sarbanes-Oxley 
Act was intended to provide managers with an affirmative 
responsibility to know what their internal control structures 
were and to know that the financial information that they are 
providing to the public was accurate. Indeed, doing something 
of that nature for credit unions is something that would make 
good public policy as well.
    Ms. JOHNSON. I understand that Sarbanes-Oxley provisions, 
however, have been bearable for larger banks, but they are very 
expensive and would be very heavy for small independent 
institutions. Does your recommendation accommodate to that?
    Mr. HILLMAN. You are absolutely right. There is continuous 
debate going on today about the extent to which entities and at 
what size ought to be providing for these internal control 
assessments. The current limit is organizations with $500 
million in assets and above. They are looking at raising that 
level to address some burden issues with smaller organizations, 
and that is a debate also taking place in Congress today.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman from California, Mr. Stark.
    Mr. STARK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Miller, please 
recognize the limitation of my understanding of the technical 
differences between (c)(1)s up through (c)(50)s or (20)s or 
whatever come under your purview. But based on the underlying 
initial reason for granting the tax-exemption, could you give 
us a little insight? I am just going to go down some that come 
to my mind, and you will probably know a lot more, but 
irrigation districts, municipally owned electric companies, 
USAA, a reciprocal insurer, agricultural co-ops, rural electric 
co-ops, on down the line. In their genesis, was there any great 
difference in these types of organizations and the (c)(1)s that 
I guess are credit unions?
    Mr. MILLER. Well, again, Mr. Stark, the (c)(1)s are only 
the federally chartered credit unions.
    Mr. STARK. I understand that, but I am just----
    Mr. MILLER. In terms of the cooperative nature of the 
endeavor, they are all a little different.
    Mr. STARK. But would you say they are all similar in the 
reason they hold a tax-exemption or are tax free, from a lay 
person's----
    Mr. MILLER. I would say they are similar, that the rural 
electric cooperatives obviously are another group of entities 
that started up because there was no electricity in certain 
areas of the country. Agricultural co-ops started up because of 
a need for that business as well, so----
    Mr. STARK. But would it be also safe to say, however long 
ago many of these things started, that the initial reason for 
their beginnings no longer holds true? I think that former 
members of the armed services can buy their auto insurance from 
GEICO or Allstate or anybody they want, and it is a question of 
whether they pay more or less for it. But it may have been 
difficult--when my Ranking Member got out of the service, it 
may have been a different time than it is for those of us who 
are younger veterans.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. STARK. I am just trying to see if in our thinking, as 
we review this--I do not think it has been stated, but the 
banks are out to get credit unions taxed because it will make 
it more difficult for them to compete. I would presume then 
that my Pacific Gas and Electric would like to see the rural 
electric co-ops taxed because then they would have a better 
competitive edge. But is there any reason for us, outside of 
the very technical differences, to think about credit unions as 
distinct from all these other groups, health, education 
services. There are, I guess, providers of medical care that 
come under the cooperative rubric. Any reason we should sort 
those out, or can we think of them as one group?
    Mr. MILLER. Well, I would hesitate to put them all in one 
group, Congressman, because I do think they are different 
industries and they should be looked at separately.
    Mr. STARK. For tax policy, how should we look at them 
differently?
    Mr. MILLER. Tax policy you may be correct, they may be very 
similar. But, again, if the underlying discussion here is let's 
take a look to see where the industry is today, then in terms 
of the Internal Revenue Service's view, that is a useful thing 
because, as I have mentioned in my testimony, industries 
change, the laws remain the same, and sometimes that creates 
difficulties for us in administration.
    Mr. STARK. I will come back at you with tax policy. I think 
what I heard you say is that within all of these, the 
underlying tx policy is probably the same or very similar.
    Mr. MILLER. I think it is going to depend on the particular 
provision and the particular code provision. And, again, I 
cannot say in a general fashion that they are all the same, 
Congressman.
    Mr. STARK. One more try. Between (c)(1) and (c)(13), are 
the tax-exempt rules pretty similar, no unrelated business, I 
mean----
    Mr. MILLER. Not really.
    Mr. STARK. Not really, okay.
    Mr. MILLER. It really depends. Along the edges they are 
different. You know, the (c)(12)s, the rural co-ops, the rural 
electric and rural telephone cooperatives have some very 
different rules than do Federal credit unions. They go in and 
out of status on an annual basis, depending on their income 
sources. They are similar to credit unions in one fashion; that 
is, they have expanded from their original list of public 
sector. So, the rules do vary depending on the provision.
    Mr. STARK. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. Would the gentleman yield briefly?
    Mr. STARK. Sure, I would be glad to yield.
    Chairman THOMAS. On that point, one of the things, I 
think--sometimes Members go more deeply into these areas than 
others. One of the things that I will ask you on my time, but 
since it was brought up, I want you to think about, is the 
argument that the (c)(1)s are instrumentalities of the United 
States in which you then dismiss looking at them because of 
that categorization as opposed to a 501(c)(3), which is a 
charitable organization, which allows you based upon what 
particular category they are in, your ability to do certain 
things or not do certain things. So, when you say that you do 
not do this or you do not do that, it is because of the 
structure as an instrumentality, not that it should or should 
not be done based upon trying to understand what is going on in 
an organization. That is something that I think needs to be 
discussed, and we will look at that a little bit later. But the 
gentleman is right. When you looked at (c)(1)s, (c)(3)s, on 
through the various (c)s, it is based upon what they are, which 
then indicates the relationship between those organizations, 
notwithstanding the fact they are within the 501 section, and 
the IRS and the responsibilities associated with the IRS in 
overseeing those particular structures. Sometimes it just 
happens to be the category that they are in that they, 
therefore, do not receive scrutiny and, therefore, cannot get 
answers to questions that Members would ask. They do not file 
990s, so you do not know certain things about them. Why? 
Because they are instrumentalities of the United States. It 
begins to get circular in terms of trying to get an answer 
should we, not do you, and the ``should we'' is what we should 
at some point pursue. The gentleman from California, Mr. 
Herger.
    Mr. HERGER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Miller, if you 
could tell us just as historical background, generally the 
history of the tax-exempt sector, Congress usually provided 
exemption to certain entities because they were providing a 
service that the government could not provide. In the case of 
credit unions, could you tell us what social good or public 
benefit do they provide in exchange for the exemption?
    Mr. MILLER. Congressman, I think it is certainly true with 
respect to many provisions in the exempt sector that there is 
an underlying rationale of public good in providing general 
benefit to the community at large. A little more murky with 
respect to credit unions. They were based on a cooperative 
structure, and the early legislative history talks about a 
cooperative enterprise which is offering opportunities for 
savings, opportunities for credit to those who otherwise might 
not have it who have joined as members. That is sort of the 
underlying rationale in the credit union area.
    Mr. HERGER. Would either of the other two of our witnesses 
care to comment? Ms. Johnson?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Yes, Congressman, I would like to speak to the 
public good because I think that is the big question here. Are 
you receiving the public good in exchange for the exemption? I 
can very strongly say that the 84.5 million members of the 
federally insured credit unions benefit from higher rates on 
their deposits. They benefit from lower fees. They benefit from 
lower interest on the loans that they take out as members. 
There was a study done in April of this year by the University 
of North Carolina in Chapel Hill that estimated that the 
members of credit unions in North Carolina save an average of 
$130 a year, and if you were to multiple that nationwide, that 
could be an eventual savings in the $11 billion category just 
for the members of the credit unions.
    But I would not stop there. There are actually benefits to 
those that use the services of other financial institutions as 
well. This limited competition that is in the marketplace helps 
offer competitive rates for everyone. In fact, there was a 
statement by a CEO of a large bank earlier this year after 
their record profits were reported. He said that they would 
have been higher had it not been for the credit unions because 
they had to pay higher interest on their deposits. So, it is 
estimated that saving the customers of other institutions may 
be as high as $4 billion. I know the estimate has been given 
that there may be a billion, $1.2, $1.3 billion that could be 
realized in tax revenue if credit unions were taxed, but I 
would offer that is far offset by the amount that is saved by 
the consumer simply by having a minimal competition in the 
marketplace. Credit union members do pay taxes at the ordinary 
income level on the dividends they receive, just like bank 
customers pay taxes on the interest they receive. The exemption 
really results in a return to the local economy in far excess 
of what would be realized by any tax revenue, I believe.
    Mr. HERGER. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from Michigan wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. LEVIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think truth may be 
somewhat relative in this area, so let me just ask Mr. Hillman, 
because you have presented a number of charts, and it might be 
useful for us to try to put these figures in a broader 
perspective. I think there has been--at least we have seen this 
where I come from--very substantial consolidation in financial 
services. Indeed, most of the banks that we once knew are now 
part of larger entities. So, if you look at Figure 1, for 
example, in terms of industry size and total assets 
distribution, do you have data, useful data, that tell what has 
happened to financial services more broadly? For example, if 
you had a chart like this for financial institutions other than 
credit unions, what do you think that chart would show?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Congressman, it would show probably different 
numbers but pretty much the same pictures in terms of bars. 
What you are seeing in the banking sector today is a much 
more--larger groups of organizations that are much more 
competitive and much more complex.
    Mr. LEVIN. Also I take it--you say the bars would be the 
same, but in terms of assets, I would think you might see a 
different picture in terms of the size of the assets, would you 
not? I mean, you would have to have a somewhat different chart 
than is here.
    Mr. HILLMAN. In order of magnitude, absolutely.
    Mr. LEVIN. For example, there may be one, there may be more 
financial institutions that have more assets than all of the 
credit unions combined.
    Mr. HILLMAN. Yes, that would be true. The largest banking 
institution has vastly far more assets than the industry as a 
whole.
    Mr. LEVIN. Do you think you could supply us that?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Absolutely.
    Mr. LEVIN. If you would, go through the charts and just 
see--there is some information here as to the types of loans, 
but where you can--and I do not want you to do endless basic 
research, but if you can, go through your charts one by one and 
supply us with the picture in these regards as to the entire 
financial services area. Because I do think--the chairman, for 
example, did point out a few instances, and I do not mean to 
minimize them or mimic them, but I do think rather than trying 
to pick out one or two or three or a few examples, we really 
need to look at the total picture as it relates to financial 
services as to who is served, as to the kind of competition, as 
to who does what. You cannot simply take one area without 
relationship to what is going on generally in the world.
    For example, it would be interesting to know what has 
happened to smaller financial service entities other than 
credit unions. I mean, you have a fairly large number in Chart 
1 of credit unions with assets $10 million to $100 million, and 
that is, roughly speaking, as I gather--I did some math--what, 
about 40 percent--I do not know exactly. Maybe a third of them 
are in that size category. It would be interesting to know what 
it is like with other financial institutions to really get some 
kind of a feel as to who is doing what where.
    Mr. HILLMAN. As part of our analysis of the credit union 
industry, we did run comparisons of credit unions at these 
various sizes and assets to banks of--peer group banks of 
comparable size. In our prepared statement that we submitted 
for this hearing, on Figure 3 we provide a variety of 
information about the types of products and services that 
credit unions of that size provided, that peer group banks of 
similar size provided. In addition, in our report in November 
2003, we provide a variety of other graphics, which does 
provide information comparing credit unions to banks as it 
relates to products and service and as it relates to other 
forms of activities.
    Mr. LEVIN. Okay. So, if you would put this together in as 
succinct a form as possible, will you?
    Mr. HILLMAN. It would be my pleasure.
    [The information follows:]

Figure 9: Assets (in billions) of Financial Institutions as of June 30, 
        2005
  [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]
        

                                 

    Mr. LEVIN. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. The Chair would say that would be very 
useful, but in beginning to examine the area, I think you will 
find that it just runs away from you very quickly. With banks, 
one of the key attractions was the fact that you could write a 
check. We created share drafts with credit unions, which are, 
in essence, a check. But as we saw through the eighties and the 
nineties, more and more structures like stock brokers, you can 
write what amounts to a check. So, when you say financial 
institutions, it is not just banks. A lot of the studies I have 
seen solely use a credit union or solely use a bank. There are 
very few people, I think, that are in that category of solely 
doing this or solely doing that. So, I agree with the 
gentleman. I think we should begin to see that kind of data. 
But when you say financial institutions, you may have to define 
it in a way that encompasses all of the various current 
structures, just as what money has changed, what the financial 
institution and services provided from them have changed.
    Mr. HILLMAN. As well as my initial response to Congressman 
Levin in dealing with the consolidation in the financial 
services industry as a whole, there is also a significant 
convergence within the financial services industry where 
individual organizations are providing like products and like 
services, and the competition is becoming fierce.
    Chairman THOMAS. Which was not the case in 1937 or 1934 
during the Depression.
    Mr. HILLMAN. That is correct. Exactly right.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from Louisiana wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. MCCRERY. Mr. Hillman, can you explain why Congress 
revoked the tax-exempt status of mutual insurance companies, 
mutual savings banks, and mutual savings and loan associations?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Mutual savings banks, cooperative banks, and 
savings and loan associations were originally tax-exempt. In 
the Revenue Act 1951, before this Committee, Congress removed 
their tax-exempt status. Committee reports that we reviewed 
accompanying the legislation indicate that the mutual savings 
banks were in competition with taxable financial institutions, 
and the taxation, it was determined, would level the 
playingfield with their competitors. Similarly, Congress found 
that savings and loans were no longer self-contained 
cooperative institutions, and there was little difference 
between the savings and loans and other financial institutions, 
and for that reason they chose to provide them with taxation.
    Mr. MCCRERY. Is there a similarity today between some 
credit unions and their competitive position vis-a-vis other 
financial institutions and what Congress found with mutual 
savings associations and so forth in 1951?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Well, certainly with an increasing--the 
expansive membership, you are beginning to see blurring lines 
of distinction between credit unions and entities such as 
these, which have a tax-exempt status.
    Mr. MCCRERY. What about in terms of services offered?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Services offered typically by at least the 
largest credit unions tend to mirror those services offered by 
peer group banks. There are, as shown, though, in our first 
slide, almost half of the industry being made up of smaller 
credit unions, and those credit unions continue to provide more 
basic services.
    Mr. MCCRERY. In your research as to the rationale for 
revoking the tax-exempt status of those other entities, was 
there any discussion of the relative sizes of those 
institutions, any consideration given to revoking or modifying 
the tax-exempt status based on size?
    Mr. HILLMAN. I am not familiar with any indication that 
that was a consideration, but I would be happy to take a second 
look and provide that information for the record.
    Mr. MCCRERY. Thank you.
    [The information follows:]

    Our review of the legislative history of the Revenue Act of 1951, 
in particular Senate Report 82-781, did not identify any documented 
discussion of institution size as a factor or consideration in the 
revocation of the tax-exempt status of mutual savings banks and savings 
and loan associations.

                                 

    Mrs. JOHNSON. Would the gentleman yield?
    Mr. MCCRERY. Sure.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Mr. Hillman, the 50-mile limit that mutual 
banks have to live with, is that more or less restrictive than 
the geographic limits on credit union--than the membership 
limits on credit unions, would you say?
    Mr. HILLMAN. The 1998 act added a term ``local'' to define 
the boundaries within which a geographically based community 
credit union could offer services. That act, though, did not 
provide any further delineation of what was meant by that term 
``local.'' So, determination of geographic boundaries or 
community-based credit unions have been left up to the 
interpretation of the NCUA. Those credit union decisions in 
some instances have exceeded a 50-mile radius.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. But isn't there a 50-mile radius that governs 
mutual banks?
    Mr. HILLMAN. I am not familiar with that. I would like to 
do some research and provide that.
    [The information follows:]

    Federal savings associations (including mutual savings banks) 
historically evolved as local home-financing institutions, and 
limitations reflecting this evolution were initially incorporated in 
the governing statutes. At one point in time, the Home Owners' Loan Act 
referred to ``local'' home-financing institutions and the act generally 
limited real estate lending by Federal savings associations to property 
that was within fifty miles of their home offices. In 1964, the lending 
area was expanded to property within one-hundred miles of the home 
office. In 1970, the restriction was expanded to include property 
within the state in which the home office was located or within one-
hundred miles of the home office. In the eighties, Congress began to 
remove the geographic restrictions on the lending authority of Federal 
thrifts. Title IV of the Depository Institutions Deregulation and 
Monetary Control Act 1980 deleted the geographic restrictions on 
lending authority by federal savings and loan associations.

                                 

    Mr. MCCRERY. Just in the time that I have left, would 
either of the other two panelists like to comment on my initial 
question and the question of competitiveness and whether that 
should play a role in our examination of tax-exempt status?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I would, Congressman. The initial tax-
exemption was granted on the structure of the institution 
itself. The structure of credit unions has not changed. It is 
still that cooperative, that not-for-profit institution. There 
is nothing in the statute concerning the size of the 
institution, the products or services offered. If one would 
want to paint the credit unions back into the corner where they 
were in 1934 when they were first started for the working 
population, you would be limiting to those of modest means to 
very modest services. It has been necessary over the years--
consumers, credit union members demand the same types of 
services that other financial institutions provide, and to not 
provide those services to those who need them most I believe is 
the wrong direction. I would also say that banks and credit 
unions have both changed over the years, there is no question, 
because both are serving their customers, are serving their 
members in the best way they can. But I would also mention that 
it was the credit unions that were doing the consumer lending 
in the thirties, and that is now an area where banks are doing 
more consumer lending as well. So, there has been a blending 
going both directions. There is nothing wrong with that, in my 
opinion. I think providing the best services for your members 
or for your customers is what every institution strives to do.
    Mr. MCCRERY. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Maryland will be the final questioner prior to the Committee 
recessing for a few minutes to run over and vote.
    Mr. CARDIN. Let me thank you and let me thank all of you 
for your testimony. I strongly believe in a competitive market 
for financial services, and I was just going to ask a question 
of Ms. Johnson, and you can respond or respond for the record. 
You have already touched upon this. The Consumer Federation of 
America found that the benefits that the credit unions deliver 
to the public far exceed the costs in the report that they did, 
and they cited interest rates, higher interest rates, lower 
service costs for the niche in which they perform their 
services within the financial community. You have touched upon 
that in some of your replies. I am wondering whether you can 
quantitate that more definitively as to the benefits that 
credit unions are providing versus the value of the tax-exempt 
status that they enjoy.
    Ms. JOHNSON. The statistics that I pointed to are from some 
individual studies such as the North Carolina study, and there 
are other studies out there. I have no doubt that the benefits 
far outweigh what the tax-exemption would bring in.
    Mr. CARDIN. If you could make those studies available for 
our Committee, I am sure we could get them.
    Ms. JOHNSON. I would be glad to do that.
    Mr. CARDIN. Any other information you have that quantitates 
that would be useful for us.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Thank you. I would be glad to do that.
    [The information is being retained in the Committee files.]
    Mr. CARDIN. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. The Committee stands in recess, probably 
until noon.
    [Recess.]
    Chairman THOMAS. If I could ask our guests to find seats 
quickly? Does the gentleman from Georgia, Mr. Lewis, wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Chairman, I would like to try to solicit a little more 
information from members of the panel. I think when my 
colleagues raised the question earlier about what is the 
redeeming social value of credit unions, I think maybe Mr. 
Miller or maybe someone said when it comes to tax-exemption for 
credit unions, maybe it is a little murky. Ms. Johnson, maybe 
you could tell the Committee, what is the real redeeming social 
value of credit unions? Is there a greater need today than 40 
or 50 or 60 years ago?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I would be pleased to address this topic 
because I think it is probably the heart of the whole issue. 
The redeeming social value of credit unions is that they 
provide an option for affordable financial services in the 
marketplace. There are many folks today that continue to be un-
banked, and credit unions have a special mission of reaching 
those of modest means, and that is an opportunity for them to 
reach out. You know, as credit unions were initially formed, 
they were made up of employee groups. That means people that 
have jobs and that are working. So, most credit unions were 
actually formed by working people. In the last few years, in 
particular, credit unions have begun to take on underserved 
areas, and we have low-income designated credit unions now. We 
have some that have gone to community charters, which is now 
allowing them to reach out into the community and reach some of 
those folks that aren't necessarily the member of an employee 
group but that are now eligible for membership. There are many 
in the community that have to rely on predatory lenders, either 
check-cashing, payday lenders, others that charge much higher 
fees than credit unions. Credit unions are the only financial 
institutions that are actually held to a statutory interest 
rate level, a usury rate. Credit unions cannot charge more than 
18 percent. Find me a payday lender that charges less than 18 
percent. It just doesn't exist.
    Credit unions, I think the mission is even greater today 
than what it has been in the past, and though they have made 
great strides over the last few years by being able to reach 
out in the community, I would admit there is more to be done. I 
believe, especially in this day and age, when in this economy--
in particular, I look at two of our largest credit unions, our 
military credit unions. Two of the three largest credit unions 
serve the military population. You show me a group of people 
that are of more modest means than what our military personnel 
are, and with these credit unions being able to offer financial 
services at an affordable rate, I think it is one of the best 
things that we can do for our military in particular at this 
time. So, I think the social mission is still very much intact. 
It is something that the credit unions take very seriously and 
continue to look for ways that they can fulfill that mission.
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. Thank you, Ms. Johnson. Mr. Miller? 
Mr. Hillman?
    Mr. MILLER. Mr. Lewis, the only thing----
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. To be clear for me, was it you who 
said that the tax-exemption for credit unions may be a little--
or did Mr. Hillman--may be a little murky? What do you mean?
    Mr. MILLER. It was in response to the question as to what 
the public benefit is of these organizations.
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. But what do you see as a public 
benefit? What do you see as a redeeming social value of credit 
unions?
    Mr. MILLER. I can only speak to what the legislative 
history talks about in the thirties, and that is that it is a 
cooperative-based opportunity for people to save and to get 
credit. That is, I think, the underlying premise.
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. You would not care to elaborate and 
say how you really feel?
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. You are going to stick to the letter 
of the law. You are not going to----
    Mr. MILLER. I think, Mr. Lewis, that that is my job here, 
is to stick to the letter of the law.
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. I appreciate that. Mr. Hillman?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Well, the Federal Credit Union Act 1934 refers 
to making credit available to people of small means as one of 
the primary impetuses behind the establishment of credit 
unions. More recently, the Credit Union Membership Access Act 
1998 refers to serving the productive and provident credit 
needs for individuals of modest means. While these terms are 
used to describe the types of people who credit unions might 
serve, these terms are not well defined in the statutes. The 
NCUA has defined ``modest means'' or ``small means,'' to us, 
anyhow, as meaning individuals who are wage earners or who must 
work in order to make a living, individuals such as these who 
can provide a benefit from a credit union's services.
    Mr. LEWIS OF GEORGIA. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I yield back 
my time.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. Does the gentleman 
from Michigan, Mr. Camp, wish to inquire?
    Mr. CAMP. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. Ms. Johnson, 
the GAO report talked about credit unions not having the same 
reporting requirements as other financial institutions, and my 
question to you is if you could comment on that statement, and 
then if you could also elaborate how the GAO report said the 
so-called lack of transparency makes it difficult to evaluate 
the effect credit unions might have on average Americans. Could 
you just elaborate on what the tax-exempt status of a credit 
union does for average Americans?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Okay. You had kind of two parts, in responding 
to the GAO and also the second----
    Mr. CAMP. It is a two-part question, how the lack of 
transparency--if you could comment on that statement in the GAO 
report, I would like to get your opinion of that.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Okay.
    Mr. CAMP. The so-called lack of transparency. Then just in 
general, what benefits for average Americans does the tax-
exempt status of credit unions have.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Okay. Two good questions. Thank you. In 
response to the question about the GAO report and the lack of 
transparency, back in 1998 Congress debated very thoroughly the 
suggestion or the idea of whether CRA requirements should be 
required of credit unions. At that time it was reaffirmed that 
there did not appear--that there was no need to put CRA 
requirements on. In our work with GAO, the question has arisen 
about transparency and the opportunity or the ability to really 
put in hard numbers what credit unions are doing. I would 
suggest that credit unions are basically CRA in action. They 
are taking deposits and using those deposits to make loans to 
other members that need loans. They can only serve their 
members, and that is the only way the credit union will grow 
and survive, is to serve those members. It is very difficult--
and we have struggled with this--whether some type of a hard 
reporting is necessary. I look to the nursing home in my 
hometown who, because of the burdensome regulatory requirements 
had to take a full-time nurse off the nursing floor in order to 
just do the paperwork. That is the danger that we run with the 
credit unions, especially when almost half of our credit unions 
are less than $10 million in assets.
    The reporting requirements, if we are not careful, could 
heavily outweigh any benefits from the actual reporting itself. 
You are taking away from the time and the resources, in 
particular, serving the people that you are supposed to be 
serving. We do have a Committee working to see if we could 
arrive at something that would not put the burden on the credit 
union. Is there some additional data that we could collect on 
the 5300 report? But, again, it has never been put forth by 
Congress that a CRA-type report is needed, and at this time I 
would have to agree with that. Credit unions, we believe, are 
serving the very members who they are supposed to serve. Let's 
see. What was the last? On the lack of transparency, it is kind 
of--is it in regard to this type of reporting?
    Mr. CAMP. Well, I was interested in what are some of the 
filings that you do do as an institution. Certainly there are 
audits, and you mentioned earlier in your testimony about 
posting online. What are some of the filing requirements that 
you do fulfill?
    Ms. JOHNSON. The credit unions file their 5300 reports 
quarterly. The credit unions themselves do CPA audits every 
year. They have an annual audit and supervisory Committee 
report that is also done, as I said, annually. I am not exactly 
sure what type of information you or other Members of Congress 
would see as the most beneficial of what type of information 
you are trying to glean that you think would be the most 
beneficial.
    Mr. CAMP. Well, I just wanted to point out for the 
Committee that there are public filings that credit unions do 
engage in, and so I appreciate your going through some of 
those, and that they are filed with regulators of both banking 
and credit union--both parts of the financial industry. So, 
thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. Does the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania wish to inquire?
    Mr. ENGLISH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do indeed. Chairman 
Johnson, does the NCUA measure in what capacity credit unions 
are serving people specifically of modest means, and if not, 
can you offer an explanation of whether this would be an 
administratively feasible task to take on, and in your opinion, 
would such measures be helpful to Congress in making policy 
decisions, as well as to consumers?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Well, we know credit unions are serving 
members of modest means by the very fact that they are serving 
their Members. We do have some--and I am trying to find my 
figures here. I have too many pieces of paper. They were some 
of the stats that Chairman Thomas had actually alluded to 
earlier. We know those that use only credit unions have lower 
incomes and lower median wealth than those who use only banks, 
and I would agree that many of us use both types of 
institutions. Back home there is not a credit union that I am 
eligible to join, and so back home I also--I will put in a 
pitch for my local banker. But we know that credit unions are 
serving those Members, and we know that those balances, the 
wealth is lower, so to speak, the wealth of those members is 
lower. We also know that the member business lending done by 
credit unions, the average member business loan is much lower 
than that of someone attaining a business loan or a commercial 
loan from a bank. The average member business loan for a credit 
union member is $155,000. That is much lower, that is the 
average.
    Mr. ENGLISH. How exactly do we know that? What is the 
source and reliability of those figures?
    Ms. JOHNSON. That information comes in on our 5300 reports, 
which are issued on a quarterly basis.
    Mr. ENGLISH. Very good. Commissioner Miller, credit unions 
have, since their inception, had a mission of targeting low- 
and moderate-income families, and this continues today through 
programs like the Low-Income Credit Union program and the 
Underserved Areas program. I, for myself, know from experience 
in my district that credit unions serve people of moderate 
means, and I think do a good job. It seems to me though that we 
still do not have access to many statistics that show the 
impact of credit unions on low- and moderate-income families on 
a nationwide basis, and I just had that exchange with 
Commissioner Johnson. I wonder, in your opinion, what policies 
could Congress implement to either better track credit union 
service to families of moderate means and to help us shape 
policies that would encourage those sorts of opportunities?
    Mr. MILLER. Well, Congressman, again, we have talked about 
it, and we do have to divide our world into the Federal charter 
versus State charter. As to tax issues, you know, we are the 
tax agency, and in general, while our Forms 990 have as one of 
their purposes transparency, that the public can see what these 
organizations are doing, ultimately they are tax forms. With 
respect to Federal credit unions we have no tax issues. It 
would be purely for other purposes that we were making people 
file this. With respect to State chartered, they do file Forms 
990 with us. The Form 9nineties, I do not believe, at this 
point probably has a meaningful impact on your inquiry here, to 
be frank.
    Mr. ENGLISH. In that case, may I shift, while I have time? 
Mr. Hillman, same question. What policies could Congress 
implement to better track precisely who is being serviced by 
credit unions, whether that service is disproportionately, as 
the mission indicates, to families of moderate or modest means, 
and help us shape policies?
    Mr. HILLMAN. We have raised this question with the National 
Credit Union Administration, and they have developed a working 
group to study this issue, and we encourage them to develop 
more tangible indicators that would provide information on who 
credit union members are actually serving. When you look at how 
credit unions serve individuals, you look at the products and 
services that individuals might be procuring from credit 
unions. Those might be individuals who might be procuring loans 
of some sorts or another. In order to make credit decisions on 
those loans, there is likely to be information available within 
their files in order to determine the income levels of those 
individuals, and I would suggest that that would be one source 
that could be explored as possibly obtaining some information 
on the extent to which credit unions do serve individuals of 
modest means. Second, you could perhaps also come up with a 
mechanism to provide for a sampling, a stratified sample that 
cuts across the population of individuals that credit unions 
are serving, and indeed obtain credible, accurate information 
on the membership base that credit unions serve. It is not 
something that is an impossible thing to do.
    Mr. ENGLISH. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Washington wish to inquire?
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Since I know the 
President and the Secretary of Treasury have said that they are 
not interested in taxing the credit unions, the question has to 
arise, why are we having this hearing? I know all the bankers 
are in town, and so I believe it is a revenue question. It is a 
revenue question. It could be raising revenue for a variety of 
sources, but it seems to me that there is all kinds of evidence 
that this issue is not something that is pressing anybody. I 
really believe that the reason we are here having this hearing 
is because the government is financially and morally broke. 
Now, the DeLay Congress is one that has enacted a tax cut every 
year in the face of budget deficits in times of war. Now they 
are starting to look under rocks for revenue, and you folks are 
a rock.
    Last week this Committee took some revenue out of the hides 
of foster children living in low-income families. Last week we 
found revenue by reducing child support enforcement funding by 
$20 billion. Other Committees have found money by reducing food 
stamps. The Education and Work force Committee has reduced the 
availability of student loans to low-income students. That is 
the way the Republicans view sacrifice in a time of war, and 
budget problems go after the vulnerable. They sacrifice 
morality for tax cuts. The DeLay Congress pursued reckless tax 
cuts and an unjust war at the same time. Instead of watching 
the news from Iraq or reading the CBO budget reports and 
realizing a change in course is necessary, this Congress 
continues in its same folly. They are continuing to fight a war 
and balance a budget on the backs of the economically 
disadvantaged. It seems contradictory given the Republicans 
proclaiming themselves as the party of morality and prudence.
    But if you remember, last spring they launched an assault 
on Social Security, the program that single-handedly lifted 
millions of people out of poverty. Last week the Republicans 
launched an assault against low-income people. Now today, we 
have the credit unions up here. I don't know which of the co-
ops they will go after next, whether it will be the electrical 
co-ops or whoever, but it is really a frontal assault on the 
middle class's ability to financially make it. The co-ops came 
into existence because the banks wouldn't do it, and now we 
have this assault going on here. So, I have to ask the 
question, and somebody has to give me some reason. How many 
billion dollars are they going to get if they begin taxing 
credit unions? Anybody there who has an idea or has any data, I 
would like to hear it.
    Mr. MILLER. Well, I guess I can start, Congressman. I think 
that there are two, at least two or more revenue estimates out 
there. One stems from a 2001 Treasury study, and I think over a 
10-year period that was between $13 and $16 billion, and I 
think more recently a CBO 2005 document, which actually 
attributes the number to the joint Committee, had it at about 
$15 billion, so roughly----
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Over a 10-year period?
    Mr. MILLER. Ten-year period.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. I saw in the GAO report something from the 
Tax Foundation. Who is that?
    Mr. HILLMAN. That was a study that the Tax Foundation did 
funded by the Independent Community Bankers Association of 
America that estimated revenue of about $3.1 billion per year 
from 2004 to 2013.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. So, that would be around 13 billion, so they 
are sort of falling in the same category. Ms. Johnson, are you 
aware what the revenue figure is that they are after?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I will accept my colleague's--the taxation, 
that is their area of expertise. However, I would say it pales 
in comparison with what the consumer is going to save over 
those same 10 years. We estimate that the credit union members 
are going to save up to $11 billion a year just in lower rates, 
lower fees, better interest on deposits. We estimate that the 
banking customers are going to save 4 billion, or do save 4 
billion a year. Because of the minimal competition that is 
available, the banking customer also benefits. It is my opinion 
that if you have a bank and a credit union in the same 
community or serving the same people basically, both 
institutions are better for it than if you had a single 
institution there. That bit of competition is enough to make 
institutions better and it is the consumer that benefits. The 
money that is earned on dividends is taxed at the ordinary 
income level, so those individuals do pay taxes on dividends 
that they receive from their credit union accounts. The money 
that is saved by the consumer and stays in the consumer's 
pocket, is turned over in the economy, and hopefully a few of 
them will save a bit of it.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman want unanimous consent 
to place his written statement in the record?
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Thank you very much, yes.
    [The information was not received at the time of printing.]
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman from Illinois wish to be 
recognized?
    Mr. WELLER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and appreciate the 
opportunity to participate in today's particular hearing. 
Credit unions are a recognizable institution in the communities 
that I represent south of Chicago, and to be up front, I am a 
member of a credit union, like a lot of my colleagues, and like 
a lot of the staffers that are in this room as well. When I 
visit the local credit union back in Morris, Illinois, the 
Morris Community Credit Union, I see regular folks who are 
participating and standing in line, immigrants, working people, 
small business people, people in the community, that are 
participate in credit unions. I know my good friend from 
Washington State was trying to suggest that someone out there 
is trying to take away the tax-exempt status, and I am 
certainly not aware of much support for that idea. In fact, I 
recall we had a vote I believe in the Congress sometime in the 
last 10 years on that, and I believe less than 10 Members of 
this House voted yes to take away the tax-exempt status. So, I 
think that is an idea that does not have much support. What I 
would really like to truly understand is exactly what does the 
tax-exempt status for a credit union, what does it really mean 
to the bottom line of a typical credit union, such as the 
Morris Community Credit Union? And, Ms. Johnson, if you could 
discuss that from the bottom line of the operations of a local 
credit union, what does the tax-exempt status mean, and if it 
were not there, what would the difference be?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Well, credit unions are the only financial 
institution that must earn their capital. They are not allowed 
accesses other than some low-income designated credit unions, 
don't have access to secondary capital. They are not stock-held 
institutions. So, the effect of taxation on a credit union 
would have behavioral changes for the management. It is because 
there are other restrictions on credit unions in the products 
and services and of how they can operate that though the tax-
exemption isn't a quid pro quo for the restrictions and the 
exemptions, it isn't a quid pro quo. However, it is tenuous 
because of the incentive that it gives the management to do the 
best they can for their members. It is the members' capital. It 
is the members' money. Their sole purpose is to meet the needs 
of their members. It is not to meet the profit, so to speak, of 
the stockholders. So, everything is poured back into the credit 
union. The taxation I think would change behavior. Credit 
unions are held to a higher capital standard than other 
institutions. They are conservative by nature, but certainly by 
taxing credit unions you are going to reduce that capital, and 
credit unions would have to be thinking about raising rates, 
taking in more income in order to balance that that they have 
had to reduce through taxation. So, I think it is a direct 
detriment to the members as far as what would happen with the 
rates and benefits.
    Mr. WELLER. Could you just elaborate further on the 
differences between a traditional bank, which may be on one 
corner, and down the street you have a credit union, and the 
structure and how the tax affects either the bank versus the 
structure of the credit union, of those institutions?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I guess I would have to turn the taxation 
issues of the banks over to my colleagues. The dividends are 
taxed for credit union members, just like interest is taxed for 
bank customers. Let me see----
    Mr. WELLER. I was going to say, Mr. Miller, perhaps you can 
help with that?
    Mr. MILLER. Commercial banks, mutual thrifts and credit 
unions are all taxed differently. With respect to commercial 
banks and mutual thrifts, those two are taxed differently 
because mutual thrifts, under some circumstances, are able to 
deduct amounts that are distributed to their members, whereas 
banks are not. Both of the for-profit side of this are treated 
as C corporations generally, but they do have very detailed 
rules on taxation depending on which way they go on that. The 
credit union doesn't have that issue. Its income is tax-exempt. 
Now, as I have mentioned, depending on what the activity is and 
whether it is a State or Federal chartered credit union, there 
may be a different tax implication there, but on their 
business, general core business, they are simply not taxed.
    Ms. JOHNSON. They still do pay payroll taxes, property 
taxes, other taxes of that nature.
    Mr. WELLER. Thank you. I see I have run out of time. Thank 
you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. Gentleman from 
Kentucky, wish to inquire?
    Mr. LEWIS OF KENTUCKY. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I 
would just like to start out by making a comment about the 
gentleman from Washington, Mr. McDermott. He seems to like to 
make politically erroneous commercials from time to time here 
when we are trying to do serious business for the DCCC and the 
left wing, extreme left wing fringe, and I think if Mr. 
McDermott would have had his way, I believe Saddam Hussein 
would still be the President of Iraq, so thank goodness he 
didn't have his way.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman is out of order. 
You want to debate the Iraq war, let us start right here.
    Mr. LEWIS OF KENTUCKY. I think you started.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. No, I didn't raise that. I raised your 
fiscal policies----
    Chairman THOMAS. The Chair has indicated that he is trying 
to allow Members to make statements they wish to make. The 
gentleman from Washington made a statement he wished to make. 
The gentleman from Kentucky is making a statement he wished to 
make.
    Mr. LEWIS OF KENTUCKY. Getting back to business--and by the 
way, the tax relief that we have given the American people has 
allowed the deficit to drop by almost $100 billion in the last 
year. So, I think that is a very credible and a very worthy 
thing that we have accomplished here in Congress for the 
American people. By the way, when I was a young married man in 
1966, I worked for Armco Steel Company in Ashland, Kentucky, 
working my way through college. I took advantage of the credit 
union there. I was a member. It allowed me to purchase an 
automobile, to get a low-interest loan that allowed me to have 
the transportation to do what I needed to do. I believe that 
what credit unions do today is still just as valid as what they 
did in 1966 and before. The only change that seems to have 
happened is that there is more access for people that are in 
similar circumstances to what my circumstances were. I assume 
that the interest rates, the loan rates, and the services and 
the fees are still pretty much on par with what I experienced 
in 1966. Would that be true?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I believe you would find that true.
    Mr. LEWIS OF KENTUCKY. I think what was provided for me was 
a tremendous help in allowing me to accomplish some of the 
goals that I had early in life, and I am hopeful that that is 
providing the same opportunities for people today that I 
enjoyed. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. Gentleman from 
Connecticut, Mr. Larson, wish to inquire?
    Mr. LARSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have written remarks 
that I would like to seek unanimous consent to revise and 
extend.
    Chairman THOMAS. Without objection.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Larson follows:]
Opening Statement of The Honorable John B. Larson, a Representative in 
                 Congress from the State of Connecticut
    I appreciate Chairman Thomas calling this hearing to help people 
understand why it is important that these financial institutions 
continue to be recognized as tax-exempt organizations in order to 
ensure their services continue in our communities.
    Since the economic crisis of the Great Depression, credit unions 
have played a fundamental role in providing financial assistance to 
people throughout the state of Connecticut and the United States. As a 
financial cooperative, credit unions provide many of the same products 
and services as banks and thrifts. Their unique operational structure, 
however, distinguishes them from other financial institutions. Since 
credit unions are owned by their membership, all the earnings are 
retained as capital or are returned to the member in the form of lower 
loan rates, higher rates on savings or to provide products and 
services. Credit Unions have been able to provide these substantial and 
valuable benefits, in part, because of the tax-exempt status they 
receive from the Treasury Department.
    Currently, credit unions in the state of Connecticut are required 
by the Connecticut Department of Banking to maintain specific levels of 
capital for security purposes. Both state and federally chartered 
credit unions already pay taxes including payroll taxes, real estate 
taxes and personal property taxes. In the state of Connecticut, state 
chartered credit unions also pay Connecticut sales taxes as well. If 
credit unions were also required to pay federal income taxes it could 
hamper the ability of these institutions-to-provide sound financial 
assistance and reduce credit unions' abilities to build capital, 
restricting their ability to meet the needs of their current members or 
add new members.
    Community banks from which many of us here and our parents received 
their first mortgage from or deposited their paychecks at have been one 
of the cornerstones of 20th Century American community development. 
However, over the last decade, most traditional community banks have 
all but disappeared from our neighborhoods, bought out, debts 
transferred, closed down, and turned into ATM machines on the side of 
shopping centers by larger and larger regional and then national 
banking conglomerates. Somewhere along the way, the `community' was 
left behind. Credit Unions on the other hand have been serving their 
community members for decades, and have for many filled the void that 
departing community banks have left over the years.
    There are still a few community banks out there, and they are still 
doing good work. But comparing their operating structure to credit 
unions is still comparing apples to oranges. In a struggling economy 
like we find ourselves in today, the valuable financial services that 
credit unions provide must be protected to ensure greater opportunities 
for Americans to investment in our economy.

                                 

    Mr. LARSON. Thank you, sir. Just an observation. The 
history of credit unions in my State has been exemplary in 
terms of the service that they provide. I know, Ms. Johnson, 
you have been through this several times already in the 
questioning, so I will forego all of the benefits that I 
believe that are directly received on behalf of the 
constituents that I serve and represent in the State of 
Connecticut, and I submit my written remarks for the record, 
and thank all the panelists for their attendance here this 
morning and this enlightening conversation. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Texas, Mr. Brady, wish to inquire?
    Mr. BRADY. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. For 18 years before coming 
to Congress I ran Chambers of Commerce in three different 
communities, and in various economies, in different recessions 
and boom times, I have seen how critical capital is to small 
business growth in a community. There tends to be an ebb and 
flow to it, times where as major banks merged, there seemed to 
be a major tightening up of credit for small businesses. I have 
seen somewhat a resurgence of community banks and credit unions 
now offering capital to small business. I am most interested in 
the role of credit unions. I want more capital to valid, solid 
entrepreneurial efforts at the local level. What and how we get 
there is a good debate. Can I ask each of the panelists, what 
is the role of credit unions in providing capital to small 
business start-ups at the community level, and how does that 
role compare to that of a community bank and the larger type 
banks?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Many people don't realize that credit unions 
were originally formed for business purposes, whether it was 
agriculture, a lot of small business, but there were 
commercial--small business lending was a major part of credit 
unions from the very beginning. It continues to be a very 
important role for credit unions to play, for small businesses 
to have access to capital. We see a number of folks--take the 
military, for example. When you have someone retiring from the 
military after 20 years, they are just ready to begin their own 
small business, and having access to that capital to begin that 
small business with the credit union that they have been doing 
their transactions with for perhaps their entire military 
career, it makes sense for the credit union to be able to 
continue to serve them. The small businesses are the heartbeat 
of the economy, and credit unions have an important role to 
play in that.
    Mr. BRADY. Can you address--thankfully, we have far more 
home-based businesses than ever before. We have far more women 
and minority-owned entrepreneurs entering the market than ever 
before, thank goodness. To each of the panelists, do credit 
unions play a special role in meeting the needs of that new 
market?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Absolutely. That is where we see a lot of the 
growth, especially in these underserved areas, who are in many 
areas comprised of the minorities and the very people that you 
are talking about. Those are the people, the women that are 
perhaps coming to get the equipment for their hair salon, or 
someone coming in for a vehicle for their small business. 
Credit unions see a lot of that and that is a segment of their 
membership that they are reaching out now to serve. I think the 
whole community is better for it. There has been a sore need 
for access to capital for these entrepreneurs.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you. Mr. Miller or Mr. Hillman?
    Mr. MILLER. Actually, I will let Mr. Hillman handle this 
one because the Service doesn't really have very much 
information on that unfortunately.
    Mr. HILLMAN. We have gathered information over the years 
from 1992 to 2004, which shows that there is a very much a 
different perspective when you look at smaller credit unions 
and you look at larger credit unions. What we are seeing is 
that for larger credit unions, you are seeing them much more 
actively involved in first mortgage loans than that of smaller 
credit unions than they have been in the past. Smaller credit 
unions continued to tend to provide for a loan such as new 
vehicle loans or used vehicle loans and the like, as 
Congressman Lewis indicated as part of his past. As it relates 
to member business loans, there is current restrictions that 
credit unions have about the extent to which they can provide 
those types of loans, and over the years, since 1992 through 
2004, they have been a relatively small portion of the 
portfolio of credit unions.
    Mr. BRADY. Did you do any comparison on community banks? To 
a person in the community it is hard to know who is filling 
that need objectively. It is more anecdotal. Do you have any 
views or studies on who is filling the need for start-ups, 
home-based businesses, women-, minority-owned entrepreneurs?
    Mr. HILLMAN. Not as part of this study, the credit union 
history, no.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. Gentleman from 
Colorado, Mr. Beauprez, wish to inquire?
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the spirit of 
full disclosure, I am a former community banker.
    Ms. JOHNSON. At least you said former.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. My wife is still chairman of the board of a 
bank that I still own stock in.
    Ms. JOHNSON. That is fine.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. I appreciate your very, I guess, ecumenical 
attitude toward that. I also came to Congress with a pretty 
clear pledge. I didn't come here to raise taxes, and I have 
consistently told my credit union friends--and they are friends 
from Colorado; they have been very supportive of me and I 
appreciate that. I have told them that I did not come here to 
raise taxes on them or anybody else for that matter. I am 
pretty proud of the record we have had on this side of the 
aisle on actually reducing the tax burden on the vast majority 
of people, in fact, I think all people that actually pay taxes 
out there. I think the record is pretty clear on what effect 
that has had for our economy. I say all that just so people 
don't get scared as soon as a community banker, who happens to 
also be a Republican, opens his mouth, saying, he must be 
planning to tax me. The place I would like to go though, and 
this is the same message I have given my credit union friends, 
is you have to help us. So, I want to pursue in the time I 
have, a clear distinction that allows Congress to straight-face 
say this tax-exempt status makes sense.
    Chairman Johnson, you have said that they exist to help 
people of modest means. I understand that. I think we all 
understand that, that that was part of the original charter. 
But you are not really suggesting that those are the only 
customers of credit unions now, are people of modest means, nor 
once people get out of whatever modest means status means and 
move on, that they no longer can be a member of a credit union, 
are you?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Absolutely not.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. So, then credit unions don't exist only for 
people of modest means, nor, I am assuming--I don't want to 
lead the witness--but I am assuming you are not suggesting that 
people of less than modest means can't belong to a credit 
union?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Congressman, the term ``modest means'' is 
certainly open for interpretation, but I would probably assume 
that most of us in this room and our families consider 
themselves people of modest means. There are others that think 
credit unions should serve only, quote, ``the poor.'' I would 
contend that you can't have a common bond of the poor and have 
a successful credit union. So, you need folks that can put in 
deposits in order to serve those that need the loans.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. I accept that. Some banks serve people of 
modest means as well, right?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Right.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Same basic financial services?
    Ms. JOHNSON. That is right.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Make loans, deposits, checking accounts, that 
sort of thing.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Right.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Where we struggle--and Mr. Hillman, I would 
like to go to you next because of a statement you made--where I 
think we do struggle and part of the reason I think we are 
having this hearing, is making that clear distinction again 
beyond the obvious one, different ownership structure between 
banks and credit unions. Where we struggle is where is the 
service, the clear service differentiation that allows us to 
say, well, there is an obvious reason for tax-exempt status 
here. I think the statement you made--and again, I want to make 
sure all you credit union folks out there hear me, I am not 
here to raise taxes on anybody. What I am here, trying to make 
sure we always understand, is that there is a clear distinction 
as to why one is taxed and one is not. I think your closing 
comments went something to this effect: services are provided 
by State chartered--and I accept that--State chartered credit 
unions expand, we have the responsibility to be determining 
which of them generate income that is subject to unrelated 
business income tax and thus, which ones are not. I think you 
kind of set the stage. So, how do we continue doing that? I 
would suggest to you, Chairman Johnson, that is a test. It is a 
test as much for your membership as it is for us, is that that 
distinction that those lines don't get blurred to the point 
where somebody can't tell the difference. I think that is part 
of what we struggle with up here is the difference. Mr. 
Hillman, you want to respond as to what I wrote down as kind of 
a blurring of those lines?
    Mr. HILLMAN. I think you hit the nail right on the head, 
and in fact, that is one of the two main reasons why credit 
unions enjoy their tax-exempt status, and it is also something 
that is very undefined in legislation. It is very vague. There 
is no clear standard out there as to what the requirements are, 
or defining an individual of smaller, modest means in order to 
ensure that credit unions are providing the public good that 
Congress is expecting, clarity in that standard would be 
important.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. I will just close, Mr. Chairman, if I might, 
that I think it is a very natural evolution from 1934 or 1916 
to where we are today, that those lines have gotten blurred, 
but it is also a responsibility of those in Congress to make 
sure that--and I think that is why we are having this hearing, 
just asking the questions--is can we still justify what the 
original intent was? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Georgia wish to inquire?
    [No response.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Gentlewoman from Pennsylvania wish to 
inquire?
    Ms. HART. I do briefly, Mr. Chairman. I have a question 
mostly centering around some of the law as it is today that 
doesn't necessarily lead us to the point where we would want to 
remove a tax-exemption. I represent an area where there are 
many active credit unions, most of which are small and 
represent a very small segment--I am sorry--their members are a 
very small segment of the community. In communities that are 
what I think most people would think of as traditional credit 
union communities, that had lots of employees of one company. 
They belonged to the credit union for generations. They don't 
have a lot of money. They are what I think most people would 
consider people of modest means who belong to a credit union. I 
met with some of the credit union folks at home, and asked them 
directly, do they believe that they are still fulfilling the 
original mission of credit unions, and they, without 
hesitation, said, yes, the original mission being to provide 
access to people who might not really have it, and I believe 
that for the most part these organizations do that.
    The one thing that is in the law that they enjoy, and I 
think one of the things that actually may cause a little bit of 
discomfort among my colleagues, is the issue of transparency, 
because the credit unions do enjoy this opportunity to not 
disclose a number of things. What I am curious about mostly, 
why are they excused from filing the forms such as 990? What 
purpose does that really serve? Would, perhaps, changing that 
part of the law, alleviate some of the concerns that people 
seem to have about credit unions? I think Mr. Miller may be 
able to help me with that.
    Mr. MILLER. Congresswoman, the Form 990, again, we need to 
divide our world, as I have said almost every time I have 
spoken, into the State versus the federally chartered. The 
federally chartered, by regulation of many decades at this 
point, exempts, excuses from filing a Form 990 any 
instrumentality of the U.S. Government, and one of the types of 
instrumentalities is the Federal credit union. If we were to 
require that--and I do believe we could require it; we would 
have to modify a regulation, but we could require it--the 
question is why? If Congress said because we want transparency 
into that sector, notwithstanding the fact that that 
transparency doesn't lead to any tax impact, then we could do 
that. But again, with respect to Federal chartered credit 
unions, that 990 is not going to provide us with virtually any 
information of a tax nature. It may provide the public with 
transparency into the workings of an organization, but not tax 
information.
    Ms. HART. That is okay. My goal is not tax information as 
much as it is to have them be responsible for providing 
information as other financial institutions would be. Mr. 
Hillman, you look like you want to say something.
    Mr. HILLMAN. Yes. The GAO has noted in prior testimony to 
this Committee earlier this year, the need to improve 
governance, transparency and oversight of the tax-exempt 
sector. The public availability of key information about the 
entities, i.e., transparency, can enhance incentives for 
ethical and effective operation and support public oversight of 
tax-exempt entities, while helping to achieve and maintain 
public trust. The good thing about the Form 990 that you 
referred to are that they are public documents, and 
individuals, therefore, have an ability to review those 
documents, and that helps to maintain the public trust.
    Ms. HART. Thanks, I appreciate that. The discussion with my 
constituent credit unions, one of the things they said that is 
so very important and one of the reasons why I really don't 
want us to be jumping to any conclusions here, is that if 
someone does need a $250 loan, they are certainly not going to 
go to a commercial bank and be able to get one. But there are 
credit unions in the communities I represent that do that, and 
I think that is a very important service. Since I have probably 
a minute left, Ms. Johnson, can you tell me of any reason why 
the organization would object to this form?
    Ms. JOHNSON. What I would respect to is that currently it 
is not required and so we don't require it. The volunteers that 
serve as directors are the ones that set the salaries. The only 
time that we have seen a need to take a closer look is for 
safety and soundness reasons, if there is a credit union that 
we are examining for safety and soundness reasons, that there 
are problems, then we would look into that, but otherwise it is 
the purview of management. We don't set salaries, and so----
    Ms. HART. So, the disclosure would present no extra burden?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I don't know that it is not a burden, other 
than the time for reporting, but it isn't anything that we 
require, and therefore don't.
    Ms. HART. Okay. Thank you for your indulgence, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentlewoman from Ohio wish to inquire?
    Mrs. TUBBS JONES. Mr. Chairman, Thank you very much, and 
thank you for hosting this hearing. For the record, I am 
pleased to be a part of a discussion with regard to credit 
unions. My prior Committee service was on financial services, 
and was glad to be a supporter and a founder, in fact, of a 
credit union in my congressional district. My first question 
goes to Mr. Hillman. Mr. Hillman, there are roughly 9,000 
credit unions of all sizes. Of the 9,000 credit unions, have 
there been any issues--and maybe this should be Mr. Miller as 
well--with regard to credit unions compliance with any IRS or 
GAO regulations, or any issues with regard to that, in 
complying with what is the rules that are laid upon them?
    Mr. HILLMAN. As part of this study we haven't looked into 
the enforcement actions that NCUA has taken against credit 
unions for certain activities and transgressions, but I suspect 
that the enforcement unit has had some activity in that area, 
but I am not aware of----
    Mrs. TUBBS JONES. Surely any enforcement unit is going to 
have some activity in some area, or else they wouldn't be an 
enforcement unit. They probably would say, well, we don't need 
any money there. But what I am asking, trying to get an 
understanding, is that most credit unions meet the compliance 
requirements that are laid upon them. Any of you can answer the 
question.
    Mr. MILLER. Let me say, Congresswoman, that that I think is 
generally the case. We have one area I think we have under 
investigation right now, and that is with respect to State-
chartered credit unions. The array of activities that we see, 
particularly in the insurance area and the sale of insurance 
products, whether income derived from those sources is taxable 
under unrelated trade or business.
    Mrs. TUBBS JONES. Excepting that part of that, if they are 
State chartered, some of the regulation actually will come 
under the State, not under your jurisdiction; is that fair?
    Mr. MILLER. I believe that with respect to State chartered, 
they are regulated by the State regulator, but for Federal tax 
purposes on UBITs, on the unrelated business income tax, that 
would fall within our purview.
    Mrs. TUBBS JONES. Well, lest we leave this hearing with a 
cloud over the heads of the credit unions of America, you are 
saying you believe something is being looked at, but apparently 
it must not be too big of a deal because credit unions continue 
to operate with great success and support for their members 
across the country.
    Mr. MILLER. Let me clarify my comment, that we were talking 
at the edges with respect to some income. It does not go to the 
exemption, the tax-exemption of these entities. It goes to 
whether they owe some income tax.
    Mrs. TUBBS JONES. Let me move on, and just say, roughly, in 
Ohio, that the number of credit unions in Ohio translates into 
about 2.7 million Ohioans that are members of credit unions. 
Collectively Ohioans have $6.5 billion worth of assets invested 
in credit unions. So, needless to say, I am getting lots of 
calls from my constituents about what is happening with credit 
unions. One is great, it is the Wright-Patt, it is our largest 
credit union. Then there is one in my congressional district 
called Safe Community United Credit Union, that stepped in to 
fill a void created by the desertion of traditional commercial 
banks from inner city areas. Again, I think there is enough 
room at this financial table for community banks, large banks 
and credit unions, and in my 7 years of being here at this 
table--well, not this table, but a table of the Congress, that 
we continue to kind of push and shove, and I just want to be on 
record saying there is room enough for all of you all. Let us 
go on to something more about. Thank you very much. I yield 
back my time, Mr. Chairman.
    [Applause.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. Obviously, that influences us. 
Gentleman from Texas?
    Mr. DOGGETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I certainly would not 
question the appropriateness of looking at the tax-exempt 
status and the tax-paying status of any business entity, but it 
does strike me that the priorities here and the rationale here 
are somewhat peculiar. We have ample evidence of commercial 
corporate tax dodging as the amount of corporate taxes continue 
to decline as a percent of our overall revenue package. We have 
ample evidence of abusive tax shelters, some of which involve 
what are called tax in different parties, or non-tax-paying 
parties. None of that has been considered in this Committee. We 
have an increasing number of commercial entities that bear a 
great similarity with credit unions in that they are no-tax 
corporations, who year after year, though they have ample 
multinational operations, don't pay a penny of taxes. We have 
some corporations that have chosen to reincorporate abroad in 
order to avoid any of their responsibilities. We have 
substantial involvement of the investment banking community in 
abusive corporate tax shelters along with firms that of course 
are facing criminal charges like KPMG.
    None of those matters have been made the subject of today's 
hearing or other hearings. Indeed, I think it has been since 
1999 that this Committee ever had a hearing that really focused 
on extensive abusive corporate tax shelters. Fortunately, the 
Senate, under the leadership of Senator Grassley, has explored 
some of these issues and come up with some good ways of 
addressing it in a bipartisan fashion, and has even dared to 
look at the abuses that were so costly to investors and 
taxpayers that Enron and similar companies have engaged in. 
This all, of course, does involve a substantial amount of 
money. I think that it would be appropriate if the goal is to 
really reevaluate all of these areas and their contribution to 
the community, to the Federal Treasury, that we look first at 
those who have been the subject of the greatest abuses, even 
though we might eventually want to get to charity hospitals and 
credit unions. The second thing I would note about today's 
hearing is that rarely does this Committee deviate from the 
Bush Administration party line, and I am thinking that perhaps 
today may be an exception. You made reference, Ms. Johnson, to 
a Treasury Department study that was done in 2001 concerning 
credit unions. Have there been any Treasury studies about 
credit unions since that time?
    Ms. JOHNSON. That is the latest study that I am aware of. I 
would say, however, that your assumption is incorrect about the 
support of the exemption. Both President Bush and Secretary of 
the Treasury Snow, have both reiterated strong support for the 
tax-exemption for credit unions, as have pervious 
Administrations.
    Mr. DOGGETT. Usually at a hearing of this nature, we would 
have an Administration witness that would testify, but as far 
as the Treasury Department is concerned, the 2001 study has 
never been questioned. The Treasury Department has never come 
forward and asked for legislation in this area, and the 
Secretary of the Treasury has spoken out in favor of 
maintaining the existing exemption?
    Ms. JOHNSON. That is correct.
    Mr. DOGGETT. As has the President of the United States?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Yes.
    Mr. DOGGETT. Let me ask you, Mr. Miller, has there been any 
requests from the Internal Revenue Service for legislative 
action concerning credit unions?
    Mr. MILLER. Well, Congressman, legislative action and one 
of the reasons why my testimony takes no position is because we 
are not the tax policy arm of the Administration. That is a 
different piece, and that is where legislative suggestions 
would come from. But I am unaware at this point of legislative 
requests in this area.
    Mr. DOGGETT. So, it would be Secretary Snow's Department to 
make the recommendations for policy changes?
    Mr. MILLER. We are all in Secretary Snow's Department, 
Congressman, but it would be the Office of Tax Policy within 
his office that would push forward on tax policy matters.
    Mr. DOGGETT. He is, of course, the individual who has 
voiced a position favoring no change in the taxation of credit 
unions; isn't that correct?
    Mr. MILLER. I have read the speeches. That is all that I 
know on that topic.
    Mr. DOGGETT. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. It is indeed an 
interesting hearing that the gentleman from Texas finds comfort 
and protection in the Bush Administration and the Secretary of 
the Treasury in the Bush Administration, knowing that we know 
so much about the activity here, and that therefore, they could 
reach that conclusion. I would also remind the gentleman that 
the President and Secretary of Treasury are not charged with 
writing the Tax Code. We are. They aren't charged with 
overseeing it. We are. They are not charged with changing it. 
We are. That is why this Committee, the Committee responsible 
in the House of Representatives for the Tax Code, is holding 
the hearing.
    Mr. DOGGETT. Mr. Chairman, may I ask unanimous consent at 
this time to insert the letter and the speech of the Secretary 
of the Treasury, Mr. Snow, and the President on this issue into 
our record?
    Chairman THOMAS. Certainly, without objection.
    Mr. DOGGETT. Thank you.
    [The information follows:]

                                           PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
                                                     April 30, 2004
Hon. Daniel A. Mies
President and Chief Executive Officer
Credit Union National Association
601 Pennsylvania Ave, N.W.
Suite 600
Washington, D.C. 20004

    Dear Dan:

    My Administration's pro-growth policies have spurred strength and 
vitality in our economy, and America's credit unions have played an 
important role in that success. By increasing lending opportunities to 
small businesses, families, and workers, credit unions are contributing 
to our economic recovery and increasing opportunities in our 
communities.
    I support strongly the tax--exempt status of credit unions, and 
will continue to highlight the important contributions that credit 
unions make to our financial system. As service-oriented, member-owned 
financial cooperatives, credit unions should continue to invest in a 
safe and sound manner in America's future.
    I look forward to continuing to work together to ensure a bright 
future for all Americans.
            Sincerely,
                                                     George W. Bush

                                 ------

                                  FROM THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
                                                 September 10, 2004
Hon. John W. Snow
Prepared Remarks:
National Credit Union Administration
Health Savings Accounts Event
Lima, OH

    Thank you so much for having me here today. It's always great to 
come home to Ohio, and I always appreciate the chance to meet with 
credit union managers . . . you are such an important partner, such a 
valued member of the financial community.
    It's wonderful to be here with my good friend Mike Oxley. Chairman 
Oxley is someone I regularly turn to for insight and counsel on a broad 
range of matters impacting the Treasury Department. I consider him to 
be a leader of great substance; the Financial Services Committee 
clearly benefits from his leadership, and the people of Ohio are lucky 
to have his representation in Congress.
    I appreciate that credit unions are in business to do good, as well 
as to do business. That's clear from your motto: Not for charity, not 
for profit--but for service. So before I go any further today, let me 
say to you: I value the fact you are for service. Which is the 
fundamental reason why talk of taxation of your industry, and what you 
do, is something the Bush Administration opposes. We know that you 
always get less of anything you tax. And we don't want to get less of 
what you do.
    We have a lot of things to talk about today, but I wanted to make 
that point clear up front.
    Americans know and trust their credit unions, and this makes your 
role in our country's economic growth especially important. You're 
there for your customers whether they are opening a checking account or 
a small business. Whether they're saving for extra holiday spending or 
their child's education, you've been there.
    And while our Nation's economy is doing quite well--and enormously 
better than it was just a few years ago--there is still much to be 
done, and much that credit unions will be doing to help.
    Your dedication to small-business lending is one of the major 
reasons why I say that.
    Small business is at the foundation of this great economy, and 
credit unions have been there for entrepreneurs when they needed you 
the most.
    As of 2003, under the leadership of SBA Administrator Hector 
Barreto, credit unions were welcomed into the SBA lending programs for 
the first time. I hope that has helped out both you and America's 
entrepreneurs as much as this Administration hoped it would.
    You know as well as I do: small business is where the jobs come 
from. We estimate that between two-thirds and three-quarters of recent 
net new jobs are coming from that sector.
    That's why we want to make small business tax cuts permanent, and 
that's why I want to commend the credit union community for financing 
America's hard-working small-businessowners!
    In addition to providing your small-business customers with the 
capital they need to start and grow, there is a new product that I 
would encourage you to market to them, and that's what we're focusing 
on here today: Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).
    The recently enacted Medicare prescription drug bill created HSAs, 
an innovative new program to empower consumers to make better health 
care choices. HSAs are really super-charged IRAs that put patients back 
in charge of their health care. You own it, you control it, you can 
leave it to your heirs.
    It's a new option for health coverage that is good news for 
individuals and employers who are struggling with their health-care 
costs.
    I have good news for Credit Unions when it comes to offering this 
new product. First, insured credit unions are automatically qualified 
to handle HSAs.
    Second, the reporting on these accounts is minimal. You only need 
to report on them once a year--to the customer and the IRS--one form to 
report contributions to the account and another form to report the 
amount that has been taken out of the account.
    Best of all: you won't need any new forms. Treasury has model forms 
that you can use, or you can adapt the forms you use for IRAs for HSAs.
    In terms of the market for this product, I believe the future is 
bright. As small-business customers research the services you offer, 
adding HSAs to your portfolio are bound to make you more attractive as 
the small-business financial service provider of choice.
    Federal employees will also be a rich market for HSAs. Soon, they 
will have the option of opening HSAs and they are likely to come to 
their credit unions for that service.
    I believe the business opportunity for you is great. Just ask the 
Mid-American Credit Union in Wichita, Kansas or HealthAmerica Credit 
Union in Jacksonville, Florida--both of whom have gotten into the HSAs 
business early!
    And I know that you also appreciate that HSAs are good policy, a 
mechanism that will bring more Americans into the ranks of the insured. 
This speaks to your motto . . . not for charity, not for profit, for 
service. And affordable health insurance is a service the American 
people need.
    HSAs are a critical step toward increasing the availability and 
affordability of health insurance for all Americans. They are also 
helping to put individuals in charge of their own health care . . . and 
that's something that is good news both for the American family and for 
the American economy as a whole.
    Rising health-care costs are one of many factors that can act as a 
drag on our economic health. And while our economy is the strongest and 
most resilient in the world, it is important that we keep the burdens 
on free enterprise as light as possible.
    We want fairness and freedom for America's small-businessowners. 
It's not fair to add additional burdens to their already-heavy load. 
Lightening those burdens gives them the freedom they need to open a 
business, expand it . . . or, if an entrepreneur wants to . . . to 
close the doors and go fishing.
    Lower costs for health insurance reduces one of the top burdens on 
America's smallest employers--the employers who are also creating most 
of the new jobs.
    Lowering their tax burden is critical for their health as well, and 
that's why the President's tax cuts paid particular attention to small 
business.
    The President's tax cuts allowed well over three-quarters of a 
million small-businessowners to keep more of their business income, and 
encouraged them to invest in the growth of their companies. For 
example, nearly 860,000 business taxpayers here in Ohio will save money 
on their 2004 taxes.
    Similarly, the tax cuts have allowed individuals to keep more of 
their income. More than 4.4 million Ohio taxpayers will have lower 
income tax bills in 2004 thanks to the tax relief. Those tax cuts 
helped to offset the serious blows to the U.S. including in rapid 
succession the bursting of the stock market bubble back in March of 
2000, the economy in steep decline which President Bush inherited, the 
terrible behavior by high ranking corporate executives who forgot their 
duties to shareholders, workers and pensioners, and of course September 
11th which took such a toll. President Bush saw the urgent need to act, 
to put oxygen into the economy and because of his leadership the 
American economy is now getting back onto a good course.
    I am often asked: what is the most important thing I can do, as 
Treasury Secretary, to strengthen the American economy? And I think 
that people appreciate the economic significance of tax cuts . . . that 
is the obvious answer. But it strikes me that this question is even 
better answered by Education Secretary Rodney Paige. For nothing will 
have a bigger, more lasting impact on the American economy than 
educating and preparing America's work force for the jobs of today and 
tomorrow. Primary, secondary and continuing education--for generations 
to come--are by far the most important efforts toward achieving 
continued economic prosperity.
    While recent economic recovery and growth has been impressive--with 
1.7 million new jobs created in the last year, strong GDP growth, and 
home ownership at an all-time high--we are not satisfied, and we must 
always seek ways to increase growth and job creation.
    You have lost jobs here in Ohio. No one knows the value of new jobs 
better than the people of this state.
    Ohio's is an economy grounded in manufacturing, and recent years 
have been hard. I know what you are going through, what you have been 
through, and I know that it hasn't been easy. I grew up less than 100 
miles from here--in Toledo, another heavily industrial town.
    The people of this state have lost jobs; getting them back to work 
is a top priority for President Bush, and for me. We understand that 
the manufacturing recession that began in 2000 hit Ohio hard. And the 
effort to get the economy of the state on solid footing, to a place 
where Ohio businesses can expand, grow and create more jobs, is awfully 
important.
    Some things we know for certain--like the fact that new jobs cannot 
come soon enough for the people of Ohio. The question is: where will 
those jobs come from?
    While no one can really predict what the next high-growth industry 
will be, in a country where innovation is so wonderfully strong we know 
there will be plenty of jobs for our families. The state of Ohio 
overall has had some good news recently on jobs, with 3,400 new jobs 
created in July.
    But much remains to be done. We need to return Ohio to its rightful 
prosperity. I remember when Ohio was a Mecca for jobs and it drew 
people from all across the country. I want those days to return.
    I am optimistic that times will get better in Ohio. You will not be 
left behind; the U.S. economy is too strong for that and Ohio's workers 
and businesses have a long tradition of excellence and success. We're 
going to keep growing as a country, and Ohioans will be part of that 
growth.
    And I know that Ohio's credit unions will be helping, every step of 
the way.
    You understand the value of working together to achieve important 
goals. This quality makes you valuable to your customers, and makes you 
valuable to your country. More valuable because we are working together 
to fight the war on terror. Because while hatred fuels the terrorist 
agenda, money makes it possible.
    As we mark the third anniversary of September 11th, I am once again 
reminded of the tremendous resolve in the financial community that came 
out of that day . . . resolve to cut off the terrorists' lifeblood: 
their money.
    Institutions large and small have committed themselves to the task.
    America's credit unions have done everything that the Treasury 
Department has asked of you during this fight, and I want to personally 
thank you for your efforts.
    Your compliance with section 314 of the Patriot Act--which requires 
everyone to share information--has been exemplary.
    We've asked that you cross-check a list of terrorists and their 
partners, sent to you by Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement 
Network (FinCEN), every 2 weeks, against your customer databases.
    It's a big job to keep up with these lists, and it's one that is 
never finished. You're doing it, and our country is safer because of 
it.
    The list that comes to you from FinCEN is an important tool--but it 
would be useless without your partnership. We're in this together.
    We've also asked you to comply with section 326 of the Patriot Act, 
which has to do with recordkeeping. And I want you to know that you do 
have flexibility under those regulations . . . we've worked hard to 
make sure that your customers are able to use as many forms of 
identification as possible under those rules. We hope the flexibility 
makes it easier for you to be vigilant.
    And we're always looking for ways to provide you with more and 
better information about our regulations. So let's keep up the dialog . 
. . let us know when we're confusing you, or when we can do better--
because the better our regulations are understood by you, the more 
successful our critical enforcement efforts will be.
    I know that complying with the regulations is burdensome, but it's 
for an important cause. We want to work with you to ease the regulatory 
burden while tightening our grasp around terrorist financiers.
    Working together, we have accomplished a lot on this front of the 
war on terror in the last 3 years. The United States has designated 383 
entities as terrorists or supporters of designated terrorists and 
frozen nearly $142 million in terrorist-related assets. More than $37 
million has been frozen in the United States.
    The U.S. has also identified and frozen over $4.5 million in al 
Qaida-related funds. In addition, almost $72 million has been frozen by 
other governments worldwide.
    Almost 1500 terrorist-related accounts and transactions have been 
blocked around the world, including 151 in the United States.
    Our efforts are making a difference. So please know that we 
appreciate our working relationship on the war on terror, and that we 
view you as a partner in other critical ways, as well.
    You're also a partner in the effort to increase financial literacy 
and protect our citizens from identity theft. Both programs are 
critically important to the citizens of America.
    For many Americans, credit unions are successful gateways for 
people to enter the financial mainstream through their relationships 
with employers, schools, community groups and other affiliations.
    I want to commend you for your terrific support for financial 
literacy.
    The Department of the Treasury has awarded the John Sherman Award 
for Excellence in Financial Education to several credit unions for 
their innovative financial education efforts. For example, in June 
2003, we presented a certificate to the Ohio Credit Union League's 
Latino Financial Literacy Program, which provides financial education 
for Latino immigrants in the Columbus area. We understand the 
importance of your efforts.
    The National Credit Union Administration also plays an important 
role on the Financial Literacy and Education Commission along with the 
Department of Treasury and 18 other agencies. This Commission is 
working to coordinate the Federal effort on financial education and 
will soon be launching a Web site and toll free hotline to provide 
Americans with a central source for Federal financial education 
information.
    You do so much for your customers, and for your country . . . I'm 
thrilled to be here with you today, and thrilled to have you as a 
partner in so many efforts.
    I look forward to continued work with the credit union community on 
all fronts, and am pleased to share with you an optimism and enthusiasm 
for the future of the American economy. We have a shared belief that 
our best days are ahead of us. I am pleased to be working toward that 
future together.
    Thank you for having me here today.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Of everything that I have heard here 
today, Mrs. Johnson, the one statement you made I just find 
dumbfounding, that you cannot find a credit union back home in 
Iowa that you can join. If you were in California, there are 
ads that are run that say, ``Can you join?'' The response, 
``Are you breathing?`` I think you meet that qualification. On 
the panel number 3 we will have a spokesperson from Louisiana, 
who will talk about how terrific it was that their particular 
credit union had exchange relationships with other credit 
unions, and so I could indicate that you could perhaps join a 
credit union here in Washington, and I can't believe there 
isn't a credit union in Iowa that would offer reciprocal 
opportunities based upon your membership in the credit union 
here. If that is not the case, you and I need to explore how we 
can create for you the opportunity to join a credit union back 
home. I think it is outrageous that you don't have the ability 
to avail yourself of the services of the very structures you 
are charged with overseeing.
    The difficulty that I have, either in the President's 
statement or the Secretary of the Treasury's statement, or most 
of the other statements about whether or not we have a comfort 
level with what is going on in credit unions, is the fact that 
most often you have to accept statements, for example, Madam 
Chairman, as you gave us: ``I have no doubt,'' ``we believe,'' 
``acts of faith,'' are probably not comfortable enough, 
especially as the gentleman from Texas indicated, that there 
was a lot of activity out there in the corporate community. You 
indicated that you have CPAs who report. They had CPAs that 
reported. They were concerned there were reporting requirements 
that were burdensome and didn't want additional reporting 
requirements. We now have an individual serving 25 years in 
jail based upon what he actually did. What I have difficulty in 
is not understanding, as you continue to evolve and change the 
form of the credit union, that there isn't any more sensitivity 
on what could happen in terms of the downside of that 
evolution. Let me give you an example, and I would like to hear 
your response.
    In 1998, the definition for community was modified using a 
local concept, geography. You have approved a local geographic-
based credit union which has as its boundaries, Los Angeles 
County. That is more than 10 million people. If in fact there 
is an opportunity to try to serve people of modest means, there 
are ample opportunities in Los Angeles County. There are also 
ample opportunities to locate your credit union offices in ways 
in which you could absolutely skim those folk who make more 
than half a million dollars a year, if they are so inclined to 
use a credit union. Repeatedly, when Members asked you what do 
you do in terms of a measuring unit to see if people are 
actually providing services to people of modest means, you 
don't have the structure or the data capability of determining 
that. Does that concern you at all?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Congressman, there have been some large 
community charters granted, and I think that has been very 
beneficial to those communities. They are still restricted in 
their geographical boundaries. They have to establish a--there 
has to be interaction, common interests documented. Typically, 
when you have a single political jurisdiction, you find those 
types of interaction services, a commonality among that 
segment.
    Chairman THOMAS. Would you give me an example of the 
commonality other than the fact that they live in Los Angeles 
County? In fact, I understand that they don't even have to live 
in Los Angeles County to belong. They can worship or work.
    Ms. JOHNSON. There is certainly commonality of public 
services. There is commonality----
    Chairman THOMAS. Not necessarily. Somebody could be in 
Orange County, which is often the case, and work in LA. It is a 
completely different county structure.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Then the interaction of the working within the 
county, using the facilities of the county, using the----
    Chairman THOMAS. Just let me say that at this point, 
comparing that structure to what we started with, ``I am a 
member of a company,'' ``I am a member of a school district,'' 
in terms of what was the historical rationale for creating 
these, and you are down to now telling me that those are still 
substantially sufficient commonalities to allow the concept to 
continue, I am just saying at some point you need to maybe take 
a step back. In arguing in terms of the Community Reinvestment 
Act--and we are going to have a panelist on the third panel and 
I know he has a 3:00 o'clock flight, and I am going to do 
everything I can to get him up here--here is the question. You 
have tax-exemption. What is the primary reason you have tax-
exemption? Is it because of the cooperative community volunteer 
structure of the organization, or is it because during the 
'thirties, when it was clear that people of modest means were 
not being served adequately, given the existing financial 
structures of the day, that this made sense in creating 
opportunities for people of modest means? Which one is the 
primary reason you think that Congress gave credit unions tax-
exemption?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I think by reading the statute. that Congress 
was establishing an alternative provider for affordable 
financial services, and the structure is certainly what it is 
based on by having a not-for-profit with the members putting in 
their capital and then loaning it back out, everyone, every 
single member of the credit union was benefiting. That is 
entirely different than a structure of a stock-held 
institution.
    Chairman THOMAS. No, no, I understand that.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Having both is great.
    Chairman THOMAS. I understand that, but is that the primary 
reason you think you get the tax-exemption, because of the 
structure?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Reading the statute, I believe that that has 
been reaffirmed, yes. The structure, and there is also then to 
serve the savings needs and those of modest means, but I would 
say yes. I would say the structure, in reading the statute, the 
structure is the main basis for the tax-exemption.
    Chairman THOMAS. Okay. But I think it is very important, 
and I think you should underscore this, that was included in 
the 'thirties is included in 1998, serving people of modest 
means. Earlier, I used not-for-profit hospitals as an example. 
The IRS has allowed not-for-profits based upon a changing 
definition of what their mission is, to no longer have to serve 
the poor. All they have to do is have a structure, and it is 
the structure alone that allows them that competitive 
advantage. But I think it is important that your structure, the 
people that you are supposed to administer and oversee and 
police, have this commitment in terms of serving people of 
modest means, difficult to define, as we indicated. But I have 
a hard time understanding why you would resist a question or 
not put up a structure which would allow you to show clear 
evidence that you do serve people of modest means, and that you 
serve them better than other institutions that don't have that 
as part of their charter. That is why I have some difficulty 
understanding your testimony on page 12. I assume you were 
presenting evidence which would convince us that you serve 
people of modest means, and you made a comparison with banks, 
and I would assume that the comparison with banks would show 
you favorably in serving people of modest means if you were 
going to include it in your information.
    What you have in the last full paragraph on page 12 is that 
in the year 2003 ``credit unions made a higher percentage of 
single family mortgage loans to low and moderate income 
borrowers . . . than banks.'' You were at 24.2, banks were at 
23.2. You got them there by a percentage point. ``In addition, 
credit unions significantly increased home purchase loans to 
low and moderate income borrowers to 28.3% of their loan 
portfolios at 2003.'' That is up from 23.6 in 2001. But you 
make the point, ``while bank lending in this area stayed 
relatively constant.'' Well, ironically, the relatively 
constant rate of the banks was 28.6 percent in 2001, which was 
5 percentage points better than credit unions. The point of 
constancy showed that in 2003 banks loaning to low and moderate 
income borrowers was 28.9, which is half a percentage point 
greater than what the credit unions did in 2003. So, in both 
instances the banks did a better job, according to your own 
testimony, of loaning money to folks of low and moderate means 
to purchase houses. How does that buttress your argument?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Congressman, that is in part why the chart is 
presented above. The interpretation of the HMDA data is being 
done in a very different manner, and I would propose when the 
HMDA data is analyzed in an objective form, you will see that 
credit unions fare very well. If you look at the denial rates 
for the minority groups on the mortgage, you will see that 
credit unions are doing a very good job. In fact, the denial 
rates are lower than for other financial institutions. I would 
also say that those rates have improved on an annual basis. I 
believe as GAO had reported earlier, that the rates are getting 
better.
    Chairman THOMAS. Of course they are getting better, but 
your statement, your mission, one of the reasons you get tax-
exemption is because you are committed to serving people of low 
and modest means, and banks aren't. They pay taxes and they are 
beating you in a very significant, growing and important area 
for people of low and modest means, and that is providing 
personal loans on homes.
    Ms. JOHNSON. The reason that this information is included 
is because this is information from a particular group that you 
will probably see elsewhere, and to be truthful in putting it 
in, I think that that is what we need to do, because that is 
information provided by one particular group that is calculated 
and manipulated in one fashion.
    Chairman THOMAS. All I am saying is that you included that 
data, and I assumed you meant it to have some positive impact 
on us, and I am trying to figure out how it does. That is all. 
In addition, one of the things that shocked a lot of people was 
the corporate behavior, how much the chief executives were 
being paid, other remunerations that were available to them, 
the discrepancy between a typical corporation and certain 
corporations. What I heard in terms of your response to Ms. 
Hart and others was about the idea of maybe if we could get 
some understanding of executive compensation. We could show 
that there is a consistent relationship between the size of the 
credit union and what the CEOs get paid and there aren't any 
anomalies, and if there are some anomalies, you might want to 
focus on those anomalies. That is transparency.
    But to get the transparency you have to be able to collect 
the data, and the argument that the law doesn't require you to 
collect that data, I would think, would be something you would 
want to talk about with the credit unions so that you don't 
wind up with a scandal. If your answer is, ``Don't worry, there 
won't be one,'' I would be very concerned about that, 
especially as the way you have changed your credit union 
structure in which the similar relationship to join it is that 
you are breathing, and that it can include a geographic unit 
that is larger than 42 States in the United States. Those 
structures create opportunities for people who aren't as 
committed to the core concepts that created credit unions in 
the first place, to give you some comfort that people who work 
in the same place, people who are employed in the same place, 
who deal with similar issues.
    I will tell you that I belong to the current Schools 
Federal Credit Union, and I understand the nexus, and I 
understand people are there. It continues to change a little 
bit, but I understand the basic nexus. I don't understand 
county of LA. Your explanation as to why the county of LA makes 
sense, I would tell you, probably isn't enough cement for the 
people who might join this credit union to have a very high 
comfort that they are going to be looking out after their own 
interest, the common interest that we have, the common interest 
that we are all in LA.
    I have a little concern, because I would think you would 
want to be looking for tools to provide accountability, tools 
for transparency, tools for verifiability, because if as 
recently as 1998 you restated your mission as helping people of 
modest means, you should feel proud about proving that, and I 
think you could if you had the instruments that could establish 
that, but you don't. I would think, given the enormous 
discrepancy that Mr. Hillman presented between credit unions, 
and especially the comment about the shift from the structure 
of credit unions, you would want to give people some comfort 
that there isn't a certain structure, or you yourself would 
like to know that maybe some of these newer structures are 
simply not as responsive to the old core common ideas of a 
credit union that protected you in the past. So, I am kind of 
wondering why every time you gave an answer, it was an answer 
that was very, in my opinion, defensive.
    I came across a court opinion in 2004 which I think 
illustrates the concern that a number of us have and one of the 
reasons we would prefer having a hearing to listen to what you 
are doing as the structure has evolved. The court said the 
``NCUA must have some gatekeeping responsibility to ensure``--
in this instance--``that the local requirement be satisfied.'' 
It ``cannot act as a rubber stamp or cheerleader for any 
application brought before it.'' This case is troubling because 
there is no indication in the record that the NCUA questioned 
any of the data Tooele First Credit Union (TFCU) provided, or 
that the NCUA queried into areas that would diminish the 
likelihood of finding a local community. If the NCUA had 
conducted any critical analysis of the information provided, it 
should have recognized areas of concern that required further 
discussion.
    That to me is a cautionary signal that you should be 
concerned about the integrity that you could show easily and 
simply by the data you collect, both through transparency and 
through accountability, in terms of rules that are applied to 
other institutions that have a slight different tax structure, 
but which you should talk about emulating so that it doesn't 
bite you. But to say ``I believe'' or ``I have no doubt'' in 
today's world with the evolving structure of credit unions, I 
personally believe puts you at great risk. I would just caution 
you that Mr. Hillman and the GAO have provided you with some 
structures. I know you are taking a look at it. Cheerleading 
probably doesn't serve the clients of the NCUA as much as a 
very careful analysis of where you might get tripped up, in 
which public disclosure might be made, and that the credit 
union movement is damaged far beyond the individuals who 
conducted themselves in ways that certainly weren't typical of 
the way credit unions were supposed to conduct themselves. The 
old original structure virtually guaranteed that it wouldn't 
happen. The new structure, I think, is going to cause a number 
of people some real concern if there is no ability to prove, 
not on faith, but on structure and information, that the 
compensation, the accountability and the mission are all being 
served.
    So, I would think simply from a defensive point of view 
that you would be anxious to find those tools, some of them 
indicated by the GAO and others, so that you could readily 
provide the data that would dismiss any argument, and perhaps 
in collecting the data, you might find that there are some 
outliers that you would be very concerned about, but you don't 
know about them now because you don't collect the data. That 
would be an early warning system that some of the new and novel 
directions that you are going are perhaps fraught with a little 
more peril than the old typical structure, which I think made a 
lot of sense, still makes a lot of sense today, and serves 
clearly defined groups. Frankly, peer group review is usually 
one of the best ways to keep people in line, and that is based 
upon the structure. I just have to tell you, I have a very 
difficult time understanding peer group review when what you 
have in common is that you either worship, work, go to school, 
or live in a county that has a population greater than 42 of 
the 50 States. That is really the point I wanted to make after 
having listened to all of the members in terms of the questions 
that they had, just as a prudent thing you might want to think 
about doing sooner rather than later. Any reaction?
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Mr. Chairman?
    Chairman THOMAS. I wanted to know if the chairman had any 
reaction to the statement.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Thank you for your comments, Congressman. We 
realize that this is an issue, and we have met with GAO, and we 
do intend to respond.
    Chairman THOMAS. But I think you should look at, for 
example, the 9nineties, which would provide you with some of 
the compensation that is going on. I know you are not required 
to do them, but perhaps some kind of a cooperative effort to 
examine exactly what tripped up some of those other 
corporations on accountability, on thinking that a CPA 
structure worked, on relying on folk that you can't tell me by 
a thorough examination actually did what they said they did. I 
mean I know those things are unseemly, but in today's world I 
think just to protect credit unions, the Agency created to 
protect them would want to have an oversight function more than 
a cheerleader.
    Ms. JOHNSON. I would add that many of the credit unions 
have voluntarily adopted many of the requirements in Sarbanes-
Oxley, not required by statute to do so, but many credit unions 
have moved that direction. We encourage it. We have put out 
guidance on Sarbanes-Oxley, and that transparency is also 
beneficial.
    Chairman THOMAS. Do you think we are probably worried about 
those who voluntarily adopted Sarbanes-Oxley?
    Ms. JOHNSON. I would say it is--I may have used that word a 
little loosely. We have put out guidance and we have strongly 
encouraged many of the Sarbanes-Oxley procedures.
    Chairman THOMAS. I understand the cost and the difficulty 
of complying. I think it makes all kinds of sense to figure out 
at what level, given the risk of something going wrong, 
especially since the small ones have that tighter old-fashioned 
structure, would you draw a line, that you would say below this 
level and this structure, there is not that great of a concern, 
you don't necessarily have to comply; above that, moving in the 
new direction with all of these different opportunities, 
especially outreach with for-profit structures in alignment 
with a not-for-profit structure, that this is probably a 
prudent thing to really think through, given the size of 
multibillion dollar operations and the opportunity in a whole 
new environment to put you people at risk in a way that you 
never thought you would be at risk. I am reacting to the way 
you thought you were at risk with this hearing, when all I 
wanted to do was to ask you to look inward and do the kinds of 
things that you need to do to protect yourself so that what 
happened to corporations doesn't happen to you. I agree 
completely the old structure pretty well protected you. You are 
off into areas now that are vastly different with amounts of 
money that are vastly different, with people who become leaders 
in the movement, who want to create new structures vastly 
different than what you had 25 years ago even, and certainly 
different than 50 years ago.
    I would very much like to see, and in fact will make sure 
on a follow up that we do it, that you have got some 
structures, you are asking questions. There is never a problem 
when you ask a question and the answer is a verifiable-
certified-backed-up-with-information, no. The fact that you 
didn't do it would be of great concern, especially given the 
Federal role you play in your oversight. Okay? Thank the panel 
very much. Anticipate the second panel.
    Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman?
    Chairman THOMAS. Anticipate the second panel.
    Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. I tell the gentleman we have been here, 
and I accommodated everyone who was here when the Chairman 
began the final statement, and the Chairman said at the 
beginning of the hearing that the Chair would conclude with the 
questioning. The gentleman will have ample opportunity to 
question a number of other people on different panels.
    Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman, I was here before the Chairman 
started his final remarks. He never said that this was his 
final statement. I was here prior to that. I was here prepared 
to ask my 5 minutes of questioning. I believe under the rules 
of this Committee and this Congress, this House, I am entitled 
to 5 minutes to address the panel. So, unless I don't 
understand the rules, I am not sure why I would not be 
entitled----
    Chairman THOMAS. I tell the gentleman that the gentleman 
that spoke just prior to the Chairman was the gentleman from 
Texas who sat next to him, and I have to tell you that I saw 
the gentleman from Texas in his entire profile.
    Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman----
    Chairman THOMAS. However, the Chair wants to make sure that 
no member, regardless of how brief their appearance in the 
Committee, is shorted in terms of their opportunity to ask 
questions. Does the gentleman from California, Mr. Becerra, 
wish to inquire?
    Mr. BECERRA. Under regular order, Mr. Chairman, yes, I 
would.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
    Mr. BECERRA. I thank the Chairman. I thank the panel for 
being here such a long time. Let me ask a couple of questions 
of Ms. Johnson, because I think the Chairman brought up some 
good points that I believe a number of the credit unions in the 
industry are trying to address, and I think others could be 
encouraged to do more. It seems to me that there has been a 
good purpose served by giving credit unions an opportunity to 
have options on how to service modest income, low-income 
communities in this country so that they can avail themselves 
of financial services. It seems, though, that most of the 
studies do show that the credit union industry is still lagging 
far behind, substantially behind even banks and thrifts, in 
making loans to modest income communities, especially 
communities of color, and, in some cases, when it's compared to 
women. I know that a few years back in 2001 or 2000, there was 
a proposal before the administration to try to provide for 
something similar to what CRA does within the financial 
services industry for banks and savings and loans. That 
proposal, the community action plan, which was initially 
approved by NCUA, was subsequently reconsidered. I know that 
the reasons having been given were that NCUA was preferring to 
use a carrot versus a stick approach. I guess my first question 
would be: How long do we feed carrots before we think we need 
to use a stick to make sure that the credit unions do move 
forward and do a much better job of fulfilling the charter 
passed in the thirties that we try to service modest-income 
communities through credit unions?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Well, it has been the belief of NCUA that the 
credit unions are serving members of modest means and those in 
the community because they can only serve their members. In 
1998, Congress had debated at length CRA requirements and 
whether they should be imposed on credit unions, and at that 
time, there was no evidence to show that it was necessary for 
credit unions.
    Mr. BECERRA. Would you say that is still the case?
    Ms. JOHNSON. We have----
    Mr. BECERRA. With the evidence that is before you now, some 
of the analyses that have been done, would you say it is still 
the case that there is no need to try to have further 
encouragement for credit unions to do a better job of serving 
low-income or modest-income communities?
    Ms. JOHNSON. Well, actually, Congressman, most credit 
unions that have adopted underserved areas are actually growing 
three times faster than other credit unions. We see the results 
that they are reaching out into the community when they have 
that opportunity for a community charter or through adoption of 
an underserved area. Otherwise, if you are dealing with 
employer groups, et cetera, many of those people are restricted 
through that employee group. There are others in the community 
that could probably benefit from a credit union that aren't 
being--cannot walk through the door and join the credit union.
    Mr. BECERRA. I think you sort of point out that, on the 
whole, credit unions are still fairly small compared to banks 
and savings and loans. I think Citibank by itself is bigger 
than all the credit unions in the country combined----
    Ms. JOHNSON. Actually, the----
    Mr. BECERRA. In terms of total assets.
    Ms. JOHNSON. Actually, the top three banks--the three 
biggest banks, any one of them is larger than the entire credit 
union industry combined.
    Mr. BECERRA. To some degree, in response to the exchange 
you had with the Chairman, you can only do what the law permits 
you to do. How you go about enforcing these laws with regard to 
outreach into low-income communities is dependent on what the 
law permits you to do. The laws which are passed by this 
Congress, to some degree, dictate, they prescribe to you how to 
go about doing this. So, to some degree, I think we have to 
recognize that we have to tailor the law so that credit unions 
can go out there and encourage the membership in these modest-
income communities. But the 1998 law I think did you give you 
an opportunity to expand membership to try to get into some of 
these modest-income communities. We have this year legislation 
that is working its way through the Committees that may come to 
the floor in the House at least that would likely expand the 
reach of membership for credit unions. While I have always 
supported the charter of credit unions, it seems to me that 
credit unions would probably serve themselves well if they did 
a better job of demonstrating that they were going to go into 
these modest income communities if the industry is going to try 
to go out there and have a more expanded definition of 
membership. So, I am wondering if you could just comment on 
that last question.
    Ms. JOHNSON. The aspects as far as membership that are 
included in the proposed legislation is very limited. I believe 
it allows credit unions to retain single segs. If they were to 
become a community charter, they could retain those segs. There 
are actually very minimal changes to the actual membership 
proposals or to enlarge membership.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman's time has expired. I once 
again want to thank the panel, and at this time ask the second 
panel--Vice Admiral Cutler Dawson, Harriet May, Jeff L. Plagge, 
David E. Hayes. I would recognize the gentlewoman from 
Connecticut for purposes of introducing the last member of this 
second panel.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is my pleasure to 
welcome Mark Macomber to the dais here to testify before the 
Ways and Means Committee. I have known Mark for many, many 
years. He is first Vice Chairman of America's Community 
Bankers, but he is the President and CEO of Litchfield Bancorp 
in Litchfield, Connecticut, a mutual organization, and has been 
a leader not only in banking circles in Connecticut and now 
nationally, but also in the communities of the Northwest 
Corridor of Connecticut, not only dedicated to building a 
strong economy, but to building strong communities, and I thank 
him for all he's done throughout that region and welcome him 
here today.
    Chairman THOMAS. The Chair apologizes to the panel, and 
would indicate that all of you have written statements and will 
make them a part of the record, and you can then, as you have 
noticed, address the Committee in whatever manner you see fit. 
We might as well just go from the Chair's left to the right, 
and start with Vice Admiral Mr. Dawson.

 STATEMENT OF VICE ADMIRAL CUTLER DAWSON, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
 EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF NAVY FEDERAL CREDIT UNION, ON BEHALF OF 
       THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FEDERAL CREDIT UNIONS

    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman 
Thomas, Members of the Committee, I am Vice Admiral Cutler 
Dawson, United States Navy retired; President and CEO of Navy 
Federal Credit Union. I am here today on behalf of the National 
Association of Federal Credit Unions to address the tax-exempt 
status of our Nation's credit unions. We have provided the 
Committee a written statement, as you said, Mr. Chairman; and, 
however, my oral comments will draw primarily on my experience 
with Navy Federal Credit Union. In 2004, I completed a 34-year 
career in the Navy and was chosen to take the helm at Navy 
Federal. During that time, I have seen what the--during my time 
in the Service, I have seen what the credit union has done for 
sailors and marines. It is truly their credit union. Navy 
Federal began operations over 70 years ago with a group of Navy 
Department employees and their surplus dollars to make 
emergency loans to employees. At the end of the first year of 
operation, the credit union included 46 borrowers and total 
assets of $450.
    We now serve sailors and marines and Navy Department 
employees and their families around the world through 106 
members' service centers, including 21 that are overseas. Our 
motto is we serve where you serve. We have not strayed from our 
mission of serving those members who share a common bond of 
military or civilian service with the Department of the Navy. 
Last year, as I was leaving active duty, the last--one of the 
last things I did while on active service was I went to Iraq to 
review the finances of the folks that were there that were 
conducting the operations.
    I spent the day with the Marines in Fallujah, and they 
spent the day briefing me on what they were about to do and 
what operations they were about, and what they had contemplated 
in the future. That night while we were having dinner, I 
happened to mention to them that I was retiring from the Navy, 
and that I had just been selected the day before to be the new 
President of Navy Federal. All the conversation stopped at that 
time about what they were doing. They wanted to know what I was 
going to do at Navy Federal, 'cause virtually all of them were 
members of Navy Federal. Some had been members for 25 years. 
Some had been members for 10; some for less. But to a man and 
to a Marine and to a woman, they wanted to know what I was 
going to do.
    This same commitment and dedication to their members is 
duplicated by thousands of credit unions all over America. Navy 
Federal and all credit unions are not-for-profit, as you know, 
and that served defined memberships. We are owned by our 
members and we are governed by unpaid directors who are elected 
on the basis of one vote and one member regardless of deposits. 
We build the necessary operating capital by retaining earnings, 
earnings that if taxed would curtail our ability to do the very 
best of things that we currently do. But how does the Nation 
benefit from our tax-exempt status? I can only explain it to 
you in terms of the members that we serve, many of whom are 
sailors and marines. It allows Navy Federal to operate in 
overseas locations where our members are serving our Nation. As 
I mentioned to you earlier, we serve in 21 different locations 
across the world.
    We also conduct financial management training through Navy 
and Marine Corps programs. In the first 6 months of this year, 
we conducted over 750 such sessions. We assist our members 
through budgetary counseling and debt management services at 
no-cost to the member. We guarantee utility deposits and 
security deposits for members in the Navy and Marine Corps. As 
you know, they move quite a lot. We provide members remote 
access to their accounts via the Internet worldwide, and even 
to ships at sea. But most importantly, we offer financial 
alternatives to provide lower loan rates and higher savings 
dividends, and I think, in some way, we keep the payday lenders 
at bay. In summary, Mr. Chairman, the credit union mission of 
meeting the credit and savings needs of customers, including 
the sailors and marines that serve our country is as important 
today as it ever has. It is with this in mind that I believe 
that continuing the Federal income tax-exemption for all credit 
unions is merited. I thank you for this hearing today, and I 
look forward to your questions.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Dawson follows:]
 Statement of Vice Admiral Cutler Dawson, retired, President and Chief 
   Executive Officer of Navy Federal Credit Union, on behalf of the 
             National Association of Federal Credit Unions
Introduction
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel and Members of the 
Committee, the National Association of Federal Credit Unions (NAFCU)--
the only national trade association that exclusively represents the 
interests of our nation's federal credit unions--thanks you for the 
opportunity to testify here today on the tax exempt status of our 
nation's credit unions. NAFCU represents over 800 federal credit 
unions--financial cooperatives from across the nation--that 
collectively hold 67 percent of total federal credit union assets and 
serve the financial needs of approximately 28 million individual credit 
union members.
    The universe of tax-exempt entities is very large; as of 2004 there 
were almost 1.4 million federal income tax-exempt organizations, not 
including churches and religious organizations, under  501(c) of the 
Internal Revenue Code. Credit unions constitute a very small portion of 
that universe. In fact, our nation's approximately 9,200 credit unions 
account for merely 0.66 % of all federal income tax-exempt 
organizations. Yet while small in number, credit unions play an 
important role in directly serving their members, and ultimately in 
indirectly benefiting the American public; studies have shown that the 
presence of credit unions benefits not only credit union members but 
all Americans who use federally insured depository institutions.
    America's credit unions have always remained true to their original 
mission of ``promoting thrift'' and providing ``a source of credit for 
provident or productive purposes.' Because of their cooperative not-
for-profit structure, credit union members find that product service 
offerings remain widely available to them irrespective of economic or 
stock market conditions. Such dependability means credit unions are not 
in a particular market or product offering today but out of that area 
tomorrow simply to bolster income. In providing quality services to 
primarily the middle and lower-middle class, particularly with respect 
to consumer credit needs, credit unions continue to fill a void left by 
other financial institutions.
    Credit union critics have erroneously claimed that some credit 
unions today are no different than banks and thus should forfeit their 
federal income tax exempt status. Such claims simply do not stand up to 
close scrutiny. While credit unions--like all financial service 
providers--have evolved and grown over the years to meet the changing 
financial services needs of their members, the basic structure, 
philosophy and guiding principles of credit unions remain the same 
today as when the federal income tax exemption was granted to credit 
unions in 1937. Congress reaffirmed this fact just seven years ago, 
when as part of Section 4 of the ``Findings'' contained in the Credit 
Union Membership Access Act (P.L. 105-219), Congress declared that:
    ``Credit unions, unlike many other participants in the financial 
services market, are exempt from Federal and most State taxes because 
they are member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-profit 
organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors and 
because they have the specific mission of meeting the credit and 
savings needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means.''
    That statement remains true today, the same as it did seven years 
ago.
    More recently, and as a part of that legislation, the 2001 Treasury 
Department study comparing credit unions with other depository 
institutions noted that credit unions
    ``are clearly distinguishable from--other depository institutions 
in their structure and operational characteristics. . . . They are 
member-owned cooperatives, with each member having one vote regardless 
of the amount of a member's deposits. Moreover, they do not issue 
capital stock, rather they are non-profit entities that build capital 
by retained earnings. Finally, credit unions may serve only an 
identifiable group of customers with a common bond (e.g., the employees 
of a specific firm, the members of a certain organization, or the 
members of a specific community). (Emphasis added).''
    The federal income tax exemption for credit unions was supported by 
then candidate and now President George W. Bush in 2000, when he stated 
``. . . as part of my overall commitment to lower taxes and provide 
more opportunities for working Americans, I support continuing the tax-
exempt status of credit unions.'' During the 2004 campaign, President 
Bush reiterated that position, noting ``I support strongly the tax-
exempt status of credit unions and will continue to highlight the 
important contributions that credit unions make to our financial 
system.'' Treasury Secretary John Snow recently told a credit union 
audience ``We oppose this talk of taxation of you and your industry . . 
. it's a truism I think in economics, you always get less of anything 
you tax. Well, we don't want to get less of what you do.'' Reflecting 
the bipartisan nature of this issue, 2004 Democratic presidential 
nominee John Kerry wrote to NAFCU that ``I want you to know that I will 
continue to support America's credit unions and oppose any efforts to 
change the existing tax-exempt status of credit unions.''
Historical Reasons for the Credit Union Tax Exemption
    The 16th Amendment, which established the basis for a federal 
income tax, was ratified in 1913; at that point state-chartered credit 
unions had already been operating for four years. The federal income 
tax status of credit unions, however, remained unclear until 1917, when 
the Secretary of the Treasury asked the Attorney General for a legal 
opinion on the tax liability of state-chartered credit unions operating 
in Massachusetts. The Attorney General rendered an opinion that credit 
unions were exempt from federal income taxes.
    In 1934, Congress passed the Federal Credit Union Act (FCUA), which 
created the federal credit union charter. The FCUA did not explicitly 
exempt federal credit unions from paying income tax. In 1935, however, 
the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) ruled federal 
credit unions were exempt from paying federal income taxes. A 1937 
amendment to the FCUA explicitly granted a federal income tax exemption 
for federal credit unions (12 U.S.C.  1768 (2000)). As set forth in 
the 2001 Treasury Department study, ``two reasons were given . . . (1) 
that taxing credit unions on their shares, much as banks are taxed on 
their capital shares, `places a disproportionate or excessive burden on 
credit unions' because their shares function as deposits and (2) that 
`credit unions are mutual cooperative organizations operated entirely 
by and for their members . . . ' ''
    While the credit union community has continued to grow and evolve 
in the changing financial marketplace, the core justifications for 
which Congress granted federal credit unions a tax exemption have not 
changed. Credit unions still operate as not-for-profit financial 
cooperatives, according each member an equal vote in credit union 
operations.
Bankers' Myths vs. the Credit Union Reality
    Some critics of credit unions would have you believe that credit 
unions pay no taxes at all. Credit unions, however, still pay many 
taxes and fees, among them payroll and property taxes, but Congress has 
determined that federal income taxation of member-owned shares in a 
credit union would put a ``disproportionate and excessive'' burden on 
credit unions. It is also important to note that share dividends paid 
to credit union members are taxed at the membership level.
    These same critics would have you believe that credit unions are 
today no different than banks. The defining characteristics of a credit 
union, no matter what the size, however, remains the same today as they 
did in 1937: credit unions are not-for profit cooperatives that serve 
defined fields of membership, generally have volunteer boards of 
directors and cannot issue capital stock. Credit unions are restricted 
in where they can invest their members' deposits and are subject to 
stringent capital requirements. A credit union's shareholders are its 
members (and each member has one vote, regardless of the amount on 
deposit), while a bank has stockholders.
    While credit unions have grown, like all financial institutions 
over the years, the credit union community remains quite small when 
compared to the size of the banking community. federally insured credit 
unions had $647 billion in assets as of December 31, 2004, while FDIC-
insured institutions held over $10.1 trillion in assets. Last year 
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)-insured institutions grew 
by an amount exceeding the total assets of all credit unions combined.
    Navy Federal Credit Union, the world's largest with just over $22.9 
billion in assets, is dwarfed by the nation's largest bank with over 
$967 billion in assets. Furthermore, several of the nation's largest 
banks have total assets greater than the entire credit union industry. 
We would also note that in December of 1980 the credit union share of 
total financial assets was 1.4 percent. According to Federal Reserve 
Board statistics, 24 years later, as of December 31, 2004, credit 
unions' share of financial assets was still only 1.4 percent. Banks, on 
the other hand, accounted for 18.7 percent of household assets as of 
December 31, 2004.
    Finally, while banks continue to attack the credit union federal 
income tax exemption, the number of banks that pay no corporate federal 
income tax continues to rise through the increased number of banks 
organized as Subchapter S corporations and through the utilization of 
other tax avoidance measures. According to NAFCU's analysis of FDIC 
call report data, as of December 31, 2004, nearly 24% of all FDIC-
insured institutions paid no federal corporate income tax as Subchapter 
S corporations. These 2,139 FDIC insured institutions not only account 
for nearly 24% of all FDIC-insured institutions; they collectively hold 
over $322.5 billion in total assets, or just under 50% of the total 
assets of all federally-insured credit unions combined. Of these 2,139 
FDIC-insured institutions that paid no corporate federal income tax, 
1,077 of them (ranging in size up to $9.5 billion) paid no income tax 
of any kind.
Limitations on Credit Union Capital
    Credit unions support sound economic policy and goals. At the same 
time, credit unions must adapt to changing membership needs. Credit 
unions must also create sufficient return on members' deposits to 
establish sufficient reserves. Unlike other financial organizations, 
credit unions have no stockholders and no access to the capital 
markets. Credit union reserves, therefore, serve several needs.

      They are a source of funds for assuring that credit 
unions meet the statutory requirements for safety and soundness.
      They allow credit unions to keep pace with modern-day 
financial practices.
      They are the only source of capital, which allows credit 
unions to offer a wide array of financial services to their members.

    Furthermore, some critics argue that credit unions serve some who 
are not of modest means. While it is true that the average income of a 
credit union member has grown since the Federal Credit Union Act was 
enacted in 1934, a 2004 Filene Research Institute study entitled ``Who 
Uses Credit Unions'' found that the average household income of those 
who hold accounts solely at a credit union was less than $43,000, while 
the average household income for those who solely hold accounts at a 
bank was almost $77,000.
    Additionally, because credit unions can only raise capital from the 
deposits of their members, the cooperative nature of the credit union 
means that the deposits of the entire membership allows the credit 
union to have the money to make loans and provide services to those who 
may not have significant deposits.
The Credit Union Income Tax Exemption Benefits Everyone
    Although banks claim there is ``competition'' from credit unions, 
banks continue to acquire record profits. An article in the January 31, 
2005 issue of the American Banker newspaper entitled ``Feeling Heat 
from Deposit Competition,'' reported that ``Zions Bancorp [of Salt Lake 
City, Utah] was one of the many large regional banks that while making 
record profits for the 4th quarter of 2004 and for the calendar year, 
gave in to deposit pricing pressure in the fourth quarter [of 2004].'' 
The article continued: ``Zions said pressure from other banks and 
specifically credit unions in Utah prompted it to raise rates on money 
market accounts by 20 basis points late in the fourth quarter.''
    A September 2004 report and analysis by Robert M. Feinberg, a 
professor of Economics at American University, entitled ``An Analysis 
of the Benefits of Credit Unions to Bank Loan Customers,'' found that 
``a substantial credit union presence in local consumer lending markets 
has a significant impact on U.S. bank loan customers, saving them at 
least $1.73 billion per year in interest payments.'' A January 2005 
study by Robert J. Tokle, a professor of Economics at Idaho State 
University, entitled ``An Estimate of the Influence of Credit Unions on 
Bank CD and Money Market Deposits in the U.S.,'' estimated that bank 
customers benefit to the tune of $2.0 to $2.5 billion annually just in 
interest on deposits due to the competitive presence of credit unions. 
The credit union federal income tax exemption, therefore, does not 
benefit solely credit unions and their members, but each and every 
American who uses a federally insured depository institution.
    Consumer advocates have also recognized and supported the federal 
income tax exemption for credit unions. In the fall of 2003 the 
Consumer Federation of America (CFA) examined the federal income tax 
status of credit unions and reaffirmed these points in a study entitled 
``Credit Unions in a 21st Century Financial Marketplace.'' In the 
study, CFA concluded, among other things:

      The benefits that credit unions deliver to the public far 
exceed their costs, as measured by the tax exemption, through lower 
priced services and higher interest rates; and,
      The value of tax breaks enjoyed by banks is ``far 
greater, in absolute and relative terms, than the value of the credit 
union tax exemption.''
The Loss of the Federal Tax Exemption Would Raise Safety and Soundness 
        Concerns, Adversely Impact Member Rates and Fees, as well as 
        Increase Conversions to Banks
    Federally insured credit unions must build their capital reserves 
through retained earnings and all are prohibited from accessing the 
open capital markets by law. As noted by former NCUA Chairman Dennis 
Dollar in a letter to The Honorable Sheryl Allen (a member of the Utah 
State House of Representatives) regarding potential safety and 
soundness implications from the taxation of credit unions in that 
state: ``it is certain that any resulting net worth considerations that 
might arise (from taxation) could indeed become a significant issue . . 
. [as a result of] credit unions having their retained earnings 
negatively impacted [by taxation].''
    Any taxes imposed on credit unions would, because of their 
structure, most likely also adversely impact members' savings rates, 
borrowing rates and fees--creating a tax increase on America's 87 
million credit union members. In addition, credit unions' boards and 
management would be driven to make decisions in a manner similar to 
banks, with the end result being a decision-making process driven by 
tax considerations or other issues rather than what is in the best 
interest of members. As a result, a very unfortunate consequence could 
be a shift in orientation imposing a broader economic cost, as noted in 
the Congressional Budget Office's July 2005 Background Paper, ``Taxing 
the Untaxed Business Sector.''
    Finally, credit union boards would also have to carefully evaluate 
alternative business models. Today federally insured credit unions are 
more heavily regulated than any other financial depository institution, 
with restrictions on capital, who they can serve, investments and--in 
the case of the federal credit unions--a usury ceiling of 15%. 
(Federally insured credit union member business lending is also more 
restricted than that of either banks or thrifts.) Over the past 9 
years, 29 credit unions have converted to mutual thrifts and 18 of 
those have taken the following stop of becoming stock-held 
institutions. Most recently, two credit unions in Texas, Omni Credit 
Union with $1.1 billion in assets and Community Credit Union with $1.4 
billion in assets converted to mutuals. A likely consequence on 
taxation would be an increase in such conversions. Such conversions 
could lead to job losses of credit union employees.
Credit Unions Pay Their Own Way
    The deposit insurance of federally insured credit unions is self-
funded through a cooperative system that has never cost the American 
taxpayer one dime. It was started with money from credit unions, and 
pursuant to the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984, all credit unions with 
federal insurance deposited in the National Credit Union Share 
Insurance Fund (NCUSIF) an amount equal to 1 percent of their insured 
shares (12 U.S.C. 1782) to recapitalize the fund (a move that also 
helped to reduce the federal deficit). Credit unions also pay the full 
administrative costs of their federal regulatory agency, the National 
Credit Union Administration (NCUA). Fees levied on credit unions cover 
the entire cost of NCUA's expenses for chartering, supervising and 
examining credit unions, and for administrative overhead. With today's 
federal budget expenditures approaching $2.48 trillion, credit union 
members can be proud that the taxpayers are not charged for NCUA's 
operations--the cost of which will be an estimated $148 million in FY 
2005.
Credit Unions Service to their Field of Membership
    Federal credit unions continue to actively reach out to low- and 
moderate-income borrowers. As a result of the low-income designation or 
adding of underserved areas, federal credit unions are striving to 
provide greater access to low- and moderate-income individuals for much 
needed financial services. In addition, federal credit unions engage in 
partnerships with consumer organizations and participate in various 
government programs in their efforts to enhance their services to those 
in financial need.

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    Some federal credit unions are designated specifically as low-
income credit unions; \1\ they predominately serve low-income members, 
and the number of federal credit unions with this designation is 
increasing (see Chart 1).
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    \1\ A ``low-income credit union'' is a credit union in which the 
majority of its members, or the majority of residents in the community 
the credit union serves, makes less than 80 percent of the average for 
all wage earners as established by the Bureau of Labor Statistics or 
have an annual household income that falls at or below 80 percent of 
the median household income for the nation as established by the Census 
Bureau. 12 C.F.R. ff 701.1, 701.34.

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Addition of Underserved Areas
    Credit unions continue to add underserved communities to their 
fields of membership.\2\ All types of federal credit unions have added 
underserved areas, with the greatest participation coming from 
multiple-common-bond credit unions, followed by single-sponsor credit 
unions and then community credit unions. The number of areas added this 
year is expected to reach 200 (see Chart 2 previous page), a slightly 
slower pace than during 2004.
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    \2\ An underserved area is a local community, neighborhood or rural 
district that is an ``investment area'' as defined in section 103(16) 
of the Community Development Banking and Financial Institutions Act of 
1994 (12 USC  4703(16)). 12 USC  1759(c)(2). Examples of areas that 
qualify as investment areas include: an area where at least 20 percent 
of the population is living in poverty; an area where the unemployment 
rate is at least 1.5 times the national average; or an area meeting the 
criteria for economic distress as established by the Community 
Development Financial Institutions Fund (CDFI) of the U.S. Department 
of Treasury.

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    Despite the slight decline in the pace of adding underserved areas, 
the number of potential members in underserved areas continues to grow 
(see Chart 3). As of September 2005, the potential number of members in 
underserved areas added to the Fields of Membership (FOM) of FCUs was 
21.6 million. By the end of 2005, FCUs are projected to add to their 
FOMs underserved areas with approximately 29.0 million potential 
members. This figure is slightly higher than the 2004 figure of 27.4 
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million.

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    Finally, FCUs with underserved areas as part of their FOMs have 
achieved greater loan growth than the FCU community as a whole (see 
Chart 4), reflecting the extent to which FCUs have taken advantage of 
the opportunity to serve their members in these underserved areas.

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Mortgage Lending to Low and Moderate-Income Members
    Based on the most recent Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data, 
credit unions tend to make smaller mortgage loans than other financial 
institutions and have a higher percentage of mortgage loans to low- and 
moderate-income borrowers. Among all mortgage loans approved in 2004 
for 1-4 family home purchases, the average loan size by banks was over 
50 percent larger than the average loan size by credit unions, and the 
average loan size by thrifts was almost 100 percent larger than credit 
unions. In addition, the percentage of mortgage loans under the 
conforming limit of $333,700 is higher among credit unions when 
compared to other financial institutions (see Chart 5). Also, the 
percentage of credit union mortgage borrowers with applicant income of 
$40,000 or less is higher among credit unions (see Chart 6).

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    Credit union approval rates also exceed that of banks and thrifts 
(see Table 1 next page). In this regard, the loan approval rate, rather 
than the proportion of total loans granted to low- and moderate-income 
applicants, is the best indicator of credit unions providing service to 
such applicants, because the loan approval rate does not depend on 
field of membership type, or the geographical area served.
    In 2004, the HMDA data collected, for the first time, included 
information on the interest rate charged on mortgage loans. The 
information was collected on the interest rate spread between the 
mortgage loan annual percentage rate (APR) and an applicable Treasury 
security yield. If the difference between the APR and the Treasury 
yield were less than three percentage points for a first-lien loan and 
less than five percentage points for a subordinated-lien loan, there 
was no reporting requirement. Credit unions had a significantly smaller 
percentage of loans mandating reporting (see Table 2) than either banks 
or thrifts, not only with respect to all mortgage approvals, but also 
with respect to those of household incomes less than $40,000 and those 
granted to minority applicants.

                                      Table 1--Mortgage Loan Approval Rate*
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                                                   All Applicants       White Applicants     Minority Applicants
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                                                  Household Income      Household Income      Household Income
                     1998                      -----------------------------------------------------------------
                                                Less than   $40,000   Less than   $40,000   Less than   $40,000
                                                 $40,000    or More    $40,000    or More    $40,000    or More
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Credit Unions                                         85%        93%        88%        94%        72%        85%
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Banks                                                 71%        88%        75%        89%        57%        77%
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Thrifts                                               69%        89%        72%        90%        60%        82%
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2001
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Credit Unions                                         84%        94%        87%        95%        70%        86%
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Banks                                                 70%        87%        74%        89%        60%        78%
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Thrifts                                               77%        89%        80%        90%        67%        82%
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2004
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Credit Unions                                         81%        92%        84%        93%        66%        84%
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Banks                                                 70%        84%        73%        85%        59%        76%
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Thrifts                                               71%        82%        74%        84%        59%        77%
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Source: Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council HMDA Data
*Loans originated plus loans approved but not accepted as a percent of all loan applications. Minority
  applicants include those who identified themselves as Native American, Asian/Pacific, Black or Hispanic

    In conclusion, today, there are more low-income designated credit 
unions, and more underserved areas are being added every year. When 
compared to banks and thrifts, credit unions approve real estate loans 
that are smaller in size, approve a greater percentage of conforming 
real estate loans, have a greater percentage of real estate borrowers 
with less than $40,000 income, and grant fewer real estate loans 
charging three percentage points or more above the Treasury benchmark.

                                Table 2--2004 Approved 1-4 Family Purchase Loans
                                 Percentage of Approvals with Rate Spreads**>=3%
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                                                All Applicants (with     White Approvals     Minority Approvals
                                                     race data)      -------------------------------------------
                                               ----------------------   Household Income      Household Income
  Percentage Reporting Above 3 Percent Spread     Household Income   -------------------------------------------
                                               ----------------------
                                                Less than   $40,000   Less than   $40,000   Less than   $40,000
                                                 $40,000    or More    $40,000    or More    $40,000    or More
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Credit Unions                                        4.0%       2.7%       3.9%       2.7%       5.0%       3.0%
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Banks                                               10.5%       7.2%       9.5%       6.4%      16.8%      12.5%
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Thrifts                                              7.8%       5.1%       7.3%       4.7%      11.1%       7.6%
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Source: Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council HMDA Data
 
** Approvals equal loans originated plus loans approved but not accepted. Rate spread is the difference between
  the annual percentage rate (APR) of the loan and the applicable Treasury yield of a comparable period of
  maturity. The rate spread is reported only if it is equal to or greater than 3 percentage points for first-
  lien loans and 5 percentage points for subordinated-lien loans. Minority approvals include those who
  identified themselves as Native American, Asian/Pacific, Black or Hispanic.

Taxation of Credit Unions Would Harm America's Consumers
    If credit unions were taxed, there are many possible results, over 
time, for credit union members. Some of the results include:

      Credit Unions Would Lose their Identity: By necessity, 
credit unions would become more driven to increase profits in order to 
pay taxes and customer service--one of the hallmarks of the credit 
union philosophy--would likely suffer.
      Rates and Fees: Monies paid in taxes would adversely 
impact saving rates, borrowing rates, and fees.
      Capital: Further restraint on the ability to raise 
capital, potentially impacting safety and soundness.
      Erosion of the Volunteer Base: As credit unions become 
``more like banks,'' the self-help characteristic of credit unions and 
the community as a whole would become less distinct.
      Conversion to Other Business Models: Given the 
significant regulatory burden that credit unions already carry, there 
is a strong likelihood that the rate of conversions to mutual thrifts 
would increase, this could result in a loss of jobs for credit union 
employees.
Tax Status of Subchapter S Banks
    Today, the banking trade associations have attacked the credit 
union tax exemption as a remnant of the past, an unfair advantage that 
is undeserved despite credit unions' not-for-profit, cooperative 
structure. NAFCU disagrees with these sentiments. The bank attacks on 
the credit union tax exemption ring hollow and hypocritical in light of 
the growing number of Subchapter S banks. Like credit unions, 
Subchapter S banks do not pay corporate income tax.
    Under a provision in the tax code implemented in 1996, banks that 
qualify as Subchapter S corporations are exempt from paying corporate 
income tax. In 1996, Congress included a provision in the Small 
Business Job Protection Act (P.L. 104-188) that allows banks that do 
not use the reserve method of accounting for bad debt to qualify as 
small business corporations and therefore, qualify as Subchapter S 
corporations. In Subchapter S corporations, the tax at the corporate 
level is removed, and only the shareholders pay an income tax. 
Previously, banks were not allowed to qualify as Subchapter S 
corporations because banks already enjoyed a substantial tax advantage 
in the method in which they were allowed to account for bad debt.
    Since passage of Small Business Protection Act, the number of 
Subchapter S banks has steadily increased. In 1997, there were 604 
Subchapter S banks. Today, there are 2,139 Subchapter S banks with 
total assets of $322,461,619,000. The largest Subchapter S bank is 
Emigrant Savings Bank, a thrift, with assets of $10,267,659,000.
    Critics of the credit union community argue that large credit 
unions have outgrown the historical justification for the tax 
exemption, ignoring the fact that it is the structure of the credit 
union is an important justification for the tax exemption. Few, if any, 
critics would argue that all credit unions should be subject to 
taxation. Instead, opponents try to distinguish between large credit 
unions--which they argue should pay taxes--and small institutions with 
limited assets and basic services.
    Subchapter S corporations, however, enjoy the exemption from 
corporate level income taxes without any restraints, real or proposed, 
on their asset size. Currently, there are four main requirements to 
qualify as a Subchapter S bank:

      The total number of shareholders cannot exceed 100;
      Second, shareholders must be individuals or other certain 
trusts;
      Third, the corporation can issue only one type of stock 
and;
      Fourth, the bank may not use the reserve method of 
accounting for bad debts.

    As the requirements make clear, banks may qualify as Subchapter S 
corporations, and reap the tax benefits, regardless of their asset 
size, or the services they provide. It would be inequitable to impose 
an income tax on not-for-profit, cooperative credit unions based on 
asset size, while for-profit Subchapter S banks--operating with fewer 
regulatory restrictions--remain untaxed regardless of their size or the 
sophistication of the services they provide.
Conclusion
    In summary, the structure, philosophy and guiding principles for 
credit unions, large and small, remains the same today as it was in 
1937; i.e., they continue to be member-owned, democratically-
controlled, not-for-profit cooperative organizations managed by 
volunteer boards of directors with the mission of meeting the credit 
and savings needs of consumers, especially persons of modest means. 
Thus, we believe there is more than ample justification for continuing 
the federal income tax exemption for all credit unions, regardless of 
size, charter type, field of membership or services offered.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Well, thank you, Admiral. Ms. May?

    STATEMENT OF HARRIET MAY, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
  OFFICER, GREATER EL PASO'S CREDIT UNION, EL PASO, TEXAS, ON 
        BEHALF OF THE CREDIT UNION NATIONAL ASSOCIATION

    Ms. MAY. Thank you. Good afternoon.
    Chairman THOMAS. Push the button.
    Ms. MAY. Got it. I know I always have to adjust this. Thank 
you for this opportunity, Chairman Thomas, to speak before the 
Committee. Thank you, Committee Members, for being here. I am 
Harriet May, President and CEO of GECU of El Paso, Texas, and I 
am testifying on behalf of the Credit Union National 
Association. The GECU, formerly known as Government Employees 
Credit Union, has served the families of El Paso County since 
1932, when, at that time, 11 men pulled $5 a piece to serve 
their fellow civil service employees. Today, we serve the needs 
of over 247,000 members, with assets of over $1 billion. El 
Paso's population is 82 percent Hispanic, with a median 
household income of just under $30,000. Nearly 25 percent of 
families live below the poverty level. Just over 43 percent of 
our members have household incomes of less than $29,000. The 
majority of our members are low-income, so our day-to-day 
products and services, not just special products, must be 
tailored to meet their unique needs.
    So, Mr. Chairman, I confess GECU is one of those big, bad 
billion dollar credit unions that the bankers claim have 
morphed into something they were not intended to be; except, 
quite honestly, they are wrong. They are wrong because GECU is 
a relatively large credit union, by credit union standards, but 
it is important to understand it operates under the same 
philosophy, the same function, and is organized in the same 
structural make up as occurred when it was set up in 1932 as do 
other credit unions. It is this fact that justifies maintaining 
the tax-exempt status of credit unions. My written testimony 
addresses the issues laid out by the Committee for review, 
making a strong case that credit unions earn their tax-
exemption each and every day. Let's be clear from the start. 
The original reason for the credit union tax-exemption was 
based on the positive nature of credit unions.
    Since 1917, the tax-exemption has been reaffirmed a number 
of times, most recently with strong statements in support from 
both President Bush and Treasury Secretary Snow. Contrary to 
rhetoric, the asset size of credit unions has never been the 
basis for considering the imposition of Federal income 
taxation. Additionally, whether or not credit unions make 
business loans has no connection to tax-exemption. Since their 
earliest days, credit unions have provided business loans to 
their members. In fact, the first Federal statute limiting 
member business loans was enacted in 1998. Recently, both the 
U.S. Treasury and congressional studies have found that credit 
unions are indeed fulfilling their purpose. Studies portray 
credit unions as robust institutions with a specialized 
structure serving identifiable groups of members. Meanwhile, in 
1998, Congress recognized that there are five characteristics 
that distinguish credit unions: member ownership, net worth 
created by retained earnings, dependence on volunteers, and 
not-for-profit basis of operations; and foremost, service only 
to its members.
    The findings concluded that credit unions are exempt from 
taxation because of these characteristics and because they had 
the specified mission of meeting the credit and saving needs of 
consumers, especially, but not only, persons of modest means. 
Even though taxing credit unions might result in $1.5 billion 
in annual tax revenues, as described in my written statement, 
consumers at credit unions and banks benefit approximately 
$10.6 billion a year in the form of better rates on loans, 
fees, and savings nearly because credit unions exist. As 
member-owned institutions, credit unions endeavor to offer 
products and services that their members need and want. As 
technology results in more and better offerings, credit unions 
must respond to their members' needs.
    However, none of the core characteristics of credit unions 
or rationales for the tax-exemption has anything to do with 
credit union size, field of membership restrictions, the range 
of services offered, or the extent to which credit unions might 
not compete with financial institutions. Instead, they have 
everything to do with the cooperative structure of credit 
unions and their mission of providing affordable services to 
American households. It is clear that credit unions play an 
important role in our economy. Credit unions serve people of 
all walks of life, at all economic levels. Credit unions 
provide the public with a not-for-profit cooperative 
alternative to the for-profit sector. Consumers benefit by 
having access to lower cost services that might not otherwise 
be available to them. The tax-exempt status of credit unions is 
the glue that holds credit unions and their not-for-profit 
approach cooperative financing together. If the tax-exemption 
were removed, if 87 million Americans were forced to pay 
additional taxes solely because of their ownership in the 
credit union, it would lead to the end of a movement as we 
know. Credit unions would become banks, and consumers would pay 
a high price. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be glad to 
answer any questions.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. May follows:]
   Statement of Harriet May, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
Greater El Paso's Credit Union, El Paso, Texas, on behalf of the Credit 
                       Union National Association
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
INTRODUCTION (Pages 1-4)
    Although GECU is a relatively large credit union (by credit union 
standards), and provides a wide range of services to meet the 
particular and unique needs of its membership, it is important to 
understand that it operates under the same philosophy, serves the same 
function and is organized under the same structural make-up as all 
other credit unions. It is this fact, repeated by credit unions of all 
types and sizes across the nation who remain true to their historic 
purpose and continue to provide the public need, that justifies 
maintaining the tax-exempt status of credit unions.
    This testimony addresses the issues laid out by the Committee for 
review, including making a strong case that credit unions continue to 
meet the needs of their members, as envisioned when credit unions were 
created in the last century. The testimony also refutes many false and 
misleading statements of the banking industry in its effort to 
eliminate credit unions as a choice for America's consumers.
HISTORY OF THE TAX-EXEMPT STATUS (Pages 4-12)
    The original reason for the credit union tax exemption was based on 
the cooperative nature of credit unions. Today, credit unions continue 
to exist as financial cooperatives, and their not-for-profit, tax-
exempt status helps to assure that credit unions fulfill their role in 
the U.S. financial sector.
    In fact, this credit union role, as a basis of the tax exemption, 
dates at least from as early as 1917 in Massachusetts. Since then, the 
tax exemption has been reaffirmed a number of times, including in 1935, 
1936, 1937, 1951 and, most recently, in 1998. The 1951 reaffirmation is 
significant because in that year Congress repealed the tax exemption 
for mutual savings banks, specifically because these institutions had 
strayed from their commitment to mutuality.
    However, in 1969, Congress extended the unrelated business income 
tax (UBIT) requirements of the Internal Revenue Code to cover a broad 
array of otherwise tax-exempt organizations. State chartered credit 
unions potentially became subject to UBIT under this action. (Federally 
chartered credit unions (as federal instrumentalities) were 
specifically exempt from UBIT.) From the start, this requirement has 
raised some difficult issues that have yet to be addressed 
satisfactorily by the IRS, particularly since IRS has never offered its 
own articulation of the purpose of state-chartered credit unions' 
federal tax exemption (which we believe is to enable these credit 
unions to function as not-for-profit cooperatives offering financial 
services that promote thrift). CUNA continues to work with the Service 
to clarify this situation.
    Contrary to banker rhetoric, credit unions were established to 
serve the needs of working Americans, allowing them to pool their 
resources in self-help financial organizations. This view is rooted in 
the legislative history of the development of credit unions. In fact, 
in 1934, a Senate report noted that there was a pressing need ``to 
eliminate the loss of buying power which now results from the fact that 
the masses of the people are obliged to look to high-rate money lenders 
in time of credit necessity.'' Credit unions were formed to serve these 
``masses,'' and are proud to have 87 million members today.
    Never has the asset size of credit unions (which is often a 
reflection of the number of members a credit union serves) been the 
basis for considering the imposition of federal income taxation.
    Additionally, while credit unions are specifically chartered to 
serve the needs of individual members, since their earliest days credit 
unions have provided business loans to those members. In fact, the 
first federal statute limiting federal credit union business lending 
was enacted in 1998 with the passage of the Credit Union Membership 
Access Act (CUMAA).
    Finally, credit union earnings are the only pot of money that would 
be taxed at the end of the year. However, these earnings also stand as 
a cushion to absorb any losses a credit union might incur through 
changing economic conditions. Taxation would erode what credit unions 
could build as this cushion and, depending on economic conditions, 
could even undermine maintaining the net worth required by statute. 
This cushion not only protects the credit union itself from future 
challenges, but also protects the National Credit Union Share Insurance 
Fund.
SERVING THEIR INTENDED GOALS (Pages 12-20)
    Recent U.S. Treasury and congressional studies have found that 
credit unions are, indeed, fulfilling their purpose. The U.S. 
Department of the Treasury has conducted several detailed studies of 
credit unions in the last eight years. These objective studies, which 
were requested by Congress, are exhaustive and present detailed 
analyses of the credit union system. The studies portray credit unions 
generally as robust institutions with a specialized structure serving 
identifiable groups of members.
    Meanwhile, in 1998, the Congress wrote in the CUMAA ``findings'' 
that there are five characteristics that distinguish credit unions: 
member ownership, net worth created by retaining earnings, dependence 
on volunteers, not-for-profit basis of operations, and service only to 
members.
    The CUMAA congressional findings also concluded that credit unions 
are exempt from taxation because of these characteristics and because 
credit unions have ``the specified
    mission of meeting the credit and savings needs of consumers, 
especially (but not only) (parenthesis added) persons of modest 
means.''
    Credit unions put these characteristics to work every day by 
serving all of their members, including those of modest means. In fact, 
recent studies have shown that households using a bank and not a credit 
union have higher incomes and wealth than do households using only a 
credit union. Other studies, specifically of data collected under the 
Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA), reveal that credit unions are 
taking advantage of greater opportunities to serve low- to moderate-
income members (something they only attained the ability to do broadly 
within the last 10 years) and disproportionately serve LMI borrowers.
    Finally, credit unions of all types remain restricted in who can 
join--either by community, occupation, association or some other 
``common bond,'' despite rhetoric to the contrary by America's bankers.
USE OF THE TAX BENEFIT (Pages 21-23)
    Credit unions employ the tax benefit by passing it through to their 
members, primarily in lower rates on loans, lower fees (or none at all) 
and higher returns on savings. The nation's 87 million credit union 
members benefit by $6.3 billion a year as a result of paying fewer and 
lower fees and lower loan rates and earning higher rates on deposits 
compared to banking institutions. This $6.3 billion is not retained by 
just a few large stockholders. Instead it is distributed across all 87 
million members based on their usage of the credit union. In fact, 
relatively more of the benefit accrues to lower income members than 
would be explained by their volume of business at the credit union 
because credit union pricing tends to be friendlier to lower balance 
accounts than at banks and alternative financial institutions.
    Additionally, there are also significant financial benefits to 
consumers that are not members of credit unions. Recent studies have 
shown that bank customers benefit in the aggregate by $4.3 billion a 
year as a result of lower loan rates and higher deposit rates at banks 
as a result of the existence of credit unions. In total then, bank 
customers and credit union members benefit to the tune of at least 
$10.6 billion a year merely because credit unions exist.
CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE NOT COMPROMISED JUSTIFICATION OF RETAINING 
        THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS (Pages 23-28)
    As member owned institutions, credit unions endeavor to offer 
products and services that their members need and want. And as 
technology results in more and better offerings, credit unions must 
respond to meet their members' demands, so long as they are permissible 
by law and regulation. In fact, over the years the National Credit 
Union
    Administration, like the bank and thrift regulators, has on 
occasion amended its regulations to permit credit unions more 
flexibility to serve their members better.
    However, there is no question that while credit unions may offer 
products and services provided by banks and thrifts in response to 
their members' needs, credit unions operate under serious constraints. 
As concluded by the Treasury in a recent report:
    Federal credit unions generally operate within the same legal 
framework as other federally insured depository institutions. Most 
differences between credit unions and other depository institutions 
derive from the structure of credit unions. Credit unions have fewer 
powers available to them than do banks and thrifts.
    Further, the relative size of a credit union, or the products and 
services it offers, does not affect its mission. Because of their size 
and efficiency, large credit unions are often more able to provide the 
benefits of the cooperative to members, such as lower loan rates and 
fees and higher dividend rates. Larger credit unions are also more able 
to offer special programs benefiting low- and moderate-income 
households.
    However, none of the core characteristics of credit unions or 
rationales for credit unions' tax exemption has anything to do with 
credit union size, field of membership restrictions, the range of 
services offered, or the extent to which credit unions might not 
compete with other financial institutions. Instead, they have 
everything to do with the cooperative structure of credit unions and 
their mission of providing affordable services to American households, 
especially those of modest means.
CONCLUSION (Page 29)
    It is clear that credit unions play a powerful role in our economy. 
Credit unions serve people of all walks of life at all economic levels. 
Credit unions provide the public with a not-for-profit, cooperative 
alternative to the for-profit sector. Consumers benefit by having 
access to lower cost services that might not otherwise be available to 
them, especially those of modest means. And the facts show that the 
banking industry, which is engaged in an effort to put credit unions 
out of business, continues to mislead Congress into thinking that their 
very existence is threatened because of credit unions and their tax 
status. But banks continue to earn record profits.
    Recent oil industry ads in the Washington Post illustrate this 
fact. The ads point out that in fact the banking industry recorded the 
highest profits of all U.S. industries during the second quarter of 
2005--even more than the pharmaceutical industry. While the banking 
industry continues earning record profits, credit unions provide a 
nearly 7-to-1 return to consumers on the dollar, benefiting them by 
over $10 billion dollars in yearly savings.
    Credit unions are an important part of the financial life of 
American consumers. And the tax-exempt status of credit unions is the 
glue that holds credit unions and their not-for-profit approach to 
cooperative financing together. If the tax exemption were removed--if 
87 million Americans were forced to pay taxes solely because of their 
membership in a credit union--it would lead to the end of the movement 
that we know. Credit unions would become banks, and the consumers would 
pay dearly, not only in higher taxes, but in higher fees, less return 
on their savings and borrowings and the loss of a cooperatively owned, 
not-for-profit alternative in the financial services marketplace.
    Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Rangel, and members of 
the Committee. On behalf of America's Credit Unions and their 87 
million members, thank you for inviting me to testify today on ``A 
Review of the Credit Union Tax Exemption.'' I am Harriet May, President 
and CEO of GECU in El Paso, Texas. I am testifying on behalf of the 
Credit Union National Association (CUNA), of which I am a member of its 
Board of Directors. CUNA is the largest of the credit union trade 
associations, representing over 90 percent of the nation's 
approximately 9,000 state and federally chartered credit unions.
    GECU (formerly know as Government Employees Credit Union) has 
served the families of El Paso (TX) County since 1932, when 11 men 
pooled $5 each to serve fellow postal workers. Over the years, the 
credit union's reputation for providing caring, proactive service to 
its members has made it the largest locally owned financial institution 
in El Paso. Today, we serve the needs of over 247,000 members with just 
over $1 billion in assets. That equates to just over $4,000 per member, 
a rather low number that can be explained by El Paso's demographic 
composition.
    El Paso's population is 82% Hispanic with a median household income 
of just under $30,000. Nearly 25% of the families live below the 
poverty level. GECU's membership demographics mirror that of the 
community. The credit union serves 247,000 members--a third of every El 
Pasoan. Just over 43% of our members have household incomes of $29,000 
or below.
    With these demographics, GECU has not developed ``special'' 
programs to reach the underserved or low income. Rather, we recognize 
that because the majority of our community and the members we serve are 
low-income, our day-to-day products and services must be tailored to 
meet their unique financial needs.
    We serve our members' lending needs with non-traditional products 
and services:
Consumer Loans
      Ready Credit line of credit--low-balance line of credit 
for member emergencies and other small-dollar needs. Typical loans 
range from $200 to $800 with the average being about $500.
      Small dollar loans--GECU continues to make loans to 
members to meet their needs even if the amount is only $200. This type 
of loan would not be considered extraordinary, but rather ``normal'' 
for our membership. It is not atypical to provide a loan for a member 
to purchase dentures or eyeglasses. For the year 2004, GECU funded 
1,329 small-dollar loans for $518,948, an average balance of only 
$390.48. As one member responded in a recent member satisfaction 
survey, ``Doy gracias porque es el unico banco que nos presta dinero en 
caso de emergencia con bajo interes. Gracias por todo.'' L. Ramirez. 
(``I give thanks because you are the only ``bank'' that loans us money 
in emergencies with low interest. Thank you for everything.'')
      MasterCard First--designed particularly for those needing 
to rebuild their credit and for individuals desiring to establish 
credit
      FamilyAccount MasterCard--GECU piloted this product for 
MasterCard. The card enables the cardholder to allocate spending limits 
for family members who in turn receive their own card and unique 
account number which they can use to make purchases up to their 
spending limit. Primarily designed for college-bound students in El 
Paso, the product serves another segment of our population--parents and 
other older relatives. With the Family Account MasterCard, the 
cardholder is able to provide financial assistance for his or her 
parents without stripping them of their independence.
      Through July of this year, GECU has funded nearly $38 
million in mortgage loans to El Paso families; 83% of all first lien 
mortgage loans have been made to Hispanics; 40% of those loans were to 
households with income less than $38,400.
      Additionally, through July of this year, GECU has funded 
nearly $11 million in mortgage loans through Fannie Mae special 
programs, ``Expanded Approval'' and ``My Community'', both of which 
provide additional financing opportunities for low-income families who 
would not otherwise be eligible.
      GECU has been very active in El Paso City Bond Money 
programs, providing members with down payment assistance and lower 
interest rates for homes purchased in targeted areas of town. The 
credit union won another $3 million in September of this year and as of 
October 21 there is already $1.3 million in the pipeline. The entire 
allotment would have already been claimed if there weren't a current 
shortage of dwellings from which to choose in our community.
      GECU is the predominant provider of vehicle loans in El 
Paso, having earned a reputation for lower interest rates and finding 
ways to put members in new vehicles without putting unnecessary burdens 
on their monthly obligations.
Small Business Loans
      In response to member requests, GECU began offering small 
business loans to our members two years ago. Based out of the One Stop 
Business Resource Center in El Paso, staff works with small businesses 
to provide loans for working capital, expansion and inventory. We work 
closely with Accion, the Hispanic and Greater Chambers of Commerce, and 
other not-for-profit organizations dedicated to the success of small 
business in El Paso.
Deposit Products
      GECU offers Free Checking (no monthly service fee; no fee 
for excessive check writing).
      We also offer ``The No Excuses Savers Club''. This 
product enables beginning savers to open a 12-month CD with just $50. 
The product earns the prevailing 12-month CD rate and allows multiple 
deposits during the term of the CD (minimum $10). As of July, we have 
over 5,362 accounts totaling over $6 million with an average balance of 
$1,129--quite an accomplishment for our typical member, nearly all of 
which are of modest means.
      We offer a Christmas Club Account that enables members to 
save for the holidays in a 9-month CD that they appreciate because the 
money is ``off-limits'' until it matures. This helps members develop 
savings discipline.
      IRNet Vigo--GECU was the first credit union in Texas to 
offer this low-cost alternative for wiring of money, designed 
especially for credit unions, to foreign countries. Our members 
especially appreciate being able to send money to their families in 
Mexico for a fraction of the cost of other wire transfer services.
Financial Education
      GECU offers monthly financial education classes in 
English and Spanish through the El Paso Affordable Housing Credit Union 
Services Organization (CUSO). Participants learn the basics about 
credit and how to apply for a mortgage loan. The CUSO was formed in 
2001 by 8 local credit unions to provide education to credit-challenged 
individuals with the goal of eventually preparing them for home-
ownership.
      The credit union also hosts quarterly seminars for first-
time homebuyers hosted by our own mortgage loan officers. These 
seminars are offered in English and Spanish.
      GECU's Financial Counseling experts, full-time employees 
of GECU, educate members about developing realistic budgets and 
strategies for debt-free living.
      Through year-end 2004, Financial Counselors served 637 
members with $2.8 million in the program.
      GECU also partners with the YMCA with their Consumer 
Credit Counseling program; YMCA staff works out of one of GECU's 
branches to serve families with credit counseling needs.
      GECU works to begin the financial education process early 
and is active with local Partners in Education programs, Junior 
Achievement and the CTAC (Career Technology Advisory Committee)
      GECU staff takes the message of financial education to 
the airwaves as well. Two of our senior managers are frequently asked 
to appear on a local morning Spanish-language talk show where they 
provide educational information about financial products and services 
to listeners.

    Being a locally-owned, locally-managed financial institution 
benefits the community in many ways. The credit union philosophy of 
``people helping people'' is more than a notion, it is our commitment 
to GECU's membership and it is evidenced by the credit union's current 
loan to deposit ratio of over 98%. Nearly every dollar deposited by a 
GECU member has been loaned out to another GECU member; the money stays 
in El Paso and is put back to work for El Pasoans--their families and 
their businesses.
    Mr. Chairman, as the Committee conducts its important oversight 
function, I wanted to make sure I provided you with the backdrop for my 
credit union, which, although large by credit union standards, operates 
under the same philosophy, serves the same function, and is organized 
under the same structural make-up as all other credit unions.
    In that spirit, Mr. Chairman, I welcome the opportunity to assist 
the Committee in its review of the history and purpose of the credit 
union tax exemption. The fact is that the credit union tax exemption is 
one of the best investments Congress has ever made on behalf of the 
American consumer. Credit unions of all types and sizes remain true to 
their historic purpose and continue to provide the public need that 
justifies maintaining the tax-exempt status of credit unions.
    My testimony today will address the specific issues you laid out in 
the Committee Advisory notice. In addressing these issues, I will 
clearly review the history of why credit unions are tax exempt, as well 
as make the case that while the nation has undergone many changes in 
the century or so that credit unions have existed, the need for them 
continues today and credit unions continue to meet that need. I also 
will refute the many false and misleading statements of the banking 
industry in its effort to eliminate credit unions as a choice for 
America's consumers.
HISTORY OF THE CREDIT UNION TAX-EXEMPT STATUS
The Cooperative Structure of Credit Unions
    At the outset, it is important to establish that the original 
reason for the credit union tax exemption was based on the cooperative 
nature of credit unions. Credit unions today continue to exist as 
financial cooperatives, and their not-for-profit, tax-exempt status 
helps to assure that credit unions fulfill their role in the U.S. 
financial sector.
    The Federal Credit Union Act defines a federal credit union as a 
cooperative association chartered ``for the purpose of promoting thrift 
among its members and creating a source of credit for provident or 
productive purposes,'' language that has not changed since 1934. 
Cooperative banking was needed because consumers in the 1930's were not 
typically served by the commercial banking industry but rather by loan 
sharks. Senator Morris Sheppard, the key Senate proponent of credit 
union legislation in the 1930's, said in his remarks when introducing 
the bill that would eventually become the Federal Credit Union Act of 
1934:
    ``A credit union is a cooperative bank--supplying its members with 
(1) an excellent system for accumulating savings which enables them (2) 
with their own money and under their own management to care for their 
own short-term credit problems at normal interest rates with all the 
resultant earnings reverting to the members as dividends on their 
savings in the credit union and as surplus.''
    These words could just as accurately be said today about the 
nation's 9,000 federal and state credit unions.
    The 1934 Senate report on the federal credit union bill stated: 
``Credit unions also have vast educational values. The fact that credit 
unions of working men and women, managed by fellow workers have come 
through the depression without failures, when banks have failed so 
notably, is a tribute to the worth of cooperative credit and indicates 
clearly the great potential value of rapid national credit union 
extension.''
    Credit unions continue to operate as democratically controlled 
mutual institutions, serving their members on a non-profit basis. 
Credit unions do not have separate groups of customers and stockholders 
with competing interests--obtaining reasonably priced financial 
services versus assuring good stock prices and returns. Rather than 
distributing net income among stockholders, most of a credit union's 
income is returned to members in the form of lower loan rates and fees, 
or higher yields on savings (and credit union dividends paid to members 
are, of course, taxed). Some earnings are retained by the credit union 
to comply with statutorily mandated net worth requirements and as a 
cushion to anticipate future needs.
    So, in spite of revisionist attempts to rewrite history, since its 
inception, the credit union tax exemption has had nothing to do with 
the size of a credit union, field of membership restrictions, or the 
types of services a credit union offers.
Chronology of Credit Unions' Federal Tax-Exemption
    The first credit union law was passed by Massachusetts in 1909. 
Federal revenue laws in 1913 and 1916 contained exemptions for some 
mutual and cooperative entities, but did not mention these new state 
chartered ``credit unions'' by name. Therefore, in 1917 the U.S. 
Attorney General ruled that Massachusetts credit unions were exempt 
from federal income tax because:
    [O]n examination of the purpose and object of such associations, it 
appears that they are substantially identical with domestic building 
and loan associations or cooperative banks `organized and operated for 
mutual purpose and without profit' [the Attorney General quoting from 
the 1916 statute]. It is to be presumed that the Congress intended that 
the general terms used in Section 11 should be construed as not to lead 
to injustice, oppression, or an absurd consequence.
    The 1917 Attorney General ruling served as the basis for the 
exemption of state chartered credit unions from federal income taxes 
until 1951. By 1934 there were over 2,000 credit unions operating in 
the United States, chartered by 35 states and the District of Columbia.
    The Federal Credit Union Act of 1934 allowed the states to tax 
federal credit unions only up to the maximum rates levied on similar 
domestic banking institutions.
    In June 1935, in response to an inquiry from the Farm Credit 
Administration, which regulated federal credit unions at that time, the 
Internal Revenue Commissioner ruled that federal credit unions would be 
granted exemption from federal income tax.
    In 1936 legislation was introduced to prohibit state and local 
taxation of federal credit unions not based on real or tangible 
property, and to provide credit unions an exemption from federal 
taxation. The tax provision that passed in 1937 remains unchanged since 
that time. Section 122 of the Federal Credit Union Act (12 USC Section 
1768) reads as follows:
    The Federal credit unions organized hereunder, their property, 
their franchises, capital, reserves, surpluses, and other funds, and 
their income shall be exempt from all taxation now or hereafter imposed 
by the United States or by any State, Territorial, or local taxing 
authority; except that any real property and any tangible personal 
property of such Federal credit unions shall be subject to Federal, 
State, Territorial, and local taxation to the same extent as other 
similar property is taxed--
    The arguments in support of the tax exemption were summed up in the 
1937 House Committee Report:
    Experience with Federal credit unions since the passage of the 
original [1934] act indicates that the taxation of these organizations 
in a manner similar to the taxation of domestic banks places a 
disproportionate and excessive burden on the credit unions. . .As 
Federal credit unions are mutual or cooperative organizations operated 
entirely by and for their members, it appears appropriate that local 
taxation should be levied on the members rather than on the 
organization itself.
    At the same time that Congress provided for the federal credit 
union tax exemption, it designated federal credit unions as fiscal 
agents of the United States, required to perform whatever services the 
Secretary of the Treasury required in connection with the collection of 
taxes and the lending and repayment of money to the U.S. government 
(Section 121 of the Federal Credit Union Act, 12 USC Section 1767). 
When designated, federal credit unions can be depositories of public 
money, and some credit unions today hold federal tax and loan accounts, 
typically used by employers to deposit periodic payroll taxes due to 
the U.S. Treasury. This provision of the Federal Credit Union Act led 
to the formal designation of federal credit unions as instrumentalities 
of the United States government. This designation as a federal 
instrumentality is significant in determining which section of the Code 
governs federal credit unions' tax-exemption and in exempting federal 
credit unions from the application of the unrelated business income 
provisions of the Code.
    Federal credit unions are exempt under Section 501(c)(1) of the 
Internal Revenue Code because they meet the three requirements of that 
subsection of the Code: They are chartered by Congress (through the 
authority granted to the National Credit Union Administration); they 
are federal instrumentalities; and the law they operate under (the 
Federal Credit Union Act) specifically grants an exemption. National 
banks are also federal instrumentalities, but they are for-profit 
institutions and Congress has not included in the National Bank Act a 
tax exemption for national banks.
Mutual Thrifts' Loss of Tax-Exemption
    In 1951, the tax treatment of mutual thrifts and credit unions 
diverged for a very good reason: mutual thrifts had strayed from their 
commitment to mutuality, whereas credit unions have remained true to 
that commitment. The Attorney General's 1917 ruling had continued to 
provide the tax-exemption for state chartered credit unions until 1951. 
In 1951 Congress repealed the income tax exemption of mutual savings 
banks because they competed with taxed institutions and because they 
engaged in widespread proxy voting schemes to control boards. Voting is 
based on the amount a person has on deposit, not on the basis of one-
member-one-vote as is the case with credit unions. This voting system 
allows a group to control the mutual thrift, and therefore to make 
business decisions for their own personal pecuniary rewards, not as a 
not-for-profit organization. The U.S. Treasury stated the following in 
its 2001 comprehensive report on credit unions:
    In 1951, however, Congress removed the thrift tax exemption because 
these institutions had evolved into commercial bank competitors, and 
had lost their mutuality, in the sense that the institutions' borrowers 
and depositors were not necessarily the same individuals.
    Although deciding to eliminate the tax-exemption for other mutual 
financial institutions in 1951, Congress specifically retained the tax-
exemption for state chartered credit unions by adding to the list of 
exempt organizations Section 501(c)(14)(A): ``Credit unions without 
capital stock organized and operated for mutual purposes and without 
profit.'' While this Code provision does not specifically reference 
state chartered credit unions, federal credit unions were exempt from 
federal income tax since 1937 under Section 501(c)(1), so this 
subsection only applies to state chartered credit unions.
    No credit union issues stock, and therefore no credit union has 
stockholders. Credit unions have members, called shareholders because 
of the requirement to purchase a share in the credit union as the 
indicia of membership and ownership. No one can borrow directly from 
the credit union without becoming a member. Credit unions can only 
build up capital (``net worth'') through earnings retained after 
covering expenses, including paying members for their savings through 
dividends. (Credit union dividends are treated by the Internal Revenue 
Service for reporting and taxing purposes as identical to interest paid 
by bank customers on their savings.)
    The Federal Credit Union Act assures that mutuality is maintained 
because the Act mandates the membership requirement and that each 
member of the federal credit union have one vote to elect the credit 
union's unpaid board of directors, regardless of the amount of savings 
at the credit union. The standard federal credit union bylaws, issued 
by the National Credit Union Administration, dictate election 
procedures in conformance to the Act. In short, credit unions' 
commitment to mutuality is firmly embedded in the laws governing them.
    When, in 1951, Congress determined that mutual savings banks had 
become competitors with taxed institutions, the thrifts actually 
accounted for a greater share of household savings deposits than banks 
did. They were indeed significant competitors with banks. Today, in 
comparison, credit unions represent only a tiny fraction of the 
combined deposits of credit unions and banking institutions.
Unrelated Business Income Taxes
    Not all credit unions are exempt from all federal income taxes. In 
1969 Congress extended the unrelated business income tax (UBIT) 
requirements of Sections 511-514 of the Internal Revenue Code to cover 
a broad array of otherwise tax-exempt organizations. State chartered 
credit unions potentially became subject to UBIT. Federal credit unions 
are not subject to UBIT because federal instrumentalities are 
specifically exempt from Sections 511-514. It is totally logical that 
federally chartered credit unions are exempt from UBIT because Congress 
establishes the powers of a federal credit union in the Federal Credit 
Union Act and has not authorized any activity that it believes is 
unrelated to the purpose of a credit union. Federal credit unions are 
not required by the IRS to file the Form 990 that other tax-exempt 
organizations are required to file. In response to the banking 
industry's call for 990 filings by all credit unions, we wrote to the 
Ways and Means Committee in July 2004, explaining why such a filing is 
not required and not necessary for federal credit unions. State 
chartered credit unions do file 990 forms, either individually or as 
part of a group 990 form filed by their state regulator or trade 
association, as permitted by the Service.
    From the start, the application of UBIT to state-chartered credit 
unions raised some difficult issues that have yet to be addressed 
satisfactorily by the IRS.
    UBIT applies to a trade or business regularly carried on by a 
state-chartered credit union, where that trade or business is not 
substantially related to the purpose of the credit union's tax 
exemption. We believe that the purpose of state-chartered credit 
unions' federal tax exemption is to enable them to function as not-for-
profit cooperatives offering financial services that promote thrift. 
However, the IRS has never offered its own articulation of the purpose 
of the exemption. Without that piece of the puzzle, it is very 
difficult for credit unions to know what products and services are 
unrelated to their tax--exempt purpose.
    To make matters worse, what little guidance the IRS has issued on 
this subject over the years has been sporadic, isolated, and 
contradictory. In the 1970s, for instance, the Service issued a small 
number of private letter rulings indicating that various insurance 
products were not subject to UBIT. In 1995, however, the IRS issued 
another private letter ruling that seems to contradict the earlier 
ones. Of course, even private letter rulings are of limited utility, as 
they are regarded as applying only to the organization to which the 
letter is addressed. Credit unions have been left wondering what to do.
    We have tried diligently to address the problem with the IRS. In 
1997, CUNA and other credit union organizations formally wrote to the 
IRS, challenging the conclusion of the 1995 private letter ruling and 
requesting guidance applicable to all credit unions.
    The IRS has yet to respond to our 1997 request for guidance. 
Several years ago, the Service started to audit dozens of credit 
unions, questioning if they should be filing a Form 990-T, which is 
required for any tax-exempt organization with more than $1,000 of gross 
income from unrelated business activities. Numerous activities were 
cited by the field staff as being possibly subject to UBIT; the IRS 
field staff turned to the central IRS office for guidance. We have been 
discussing this issue with the Service for some time, and we understand 
that the IRS hopes to provide some guidance to its own staff next year.
    UBIT is a complicated area, and we think it is unreasonable to 
expect any credit union to be filing 990-T forms until adequate, public 
guidance is issued. The IRS Exempt Organization division recently 
released a listing of its FY2006 plans, which implies that it has 
possible problems with some state chartered credit unions complying 
with the UBIT requirements. We are concerned that the IRS may now be 
planning to hold credit unions responsible for taxes that they could 
not have known they owed--and that the IRS has yet to articulate a 
coherent theory of what is and is not subject to UBIT.
Recent Congressional Reaffirmation of Credit Unions' Tax-Exempt Status
    In 1998, Congress overwhelmingly approved the Credit Union 
Membership Access Act, which reaffirmed the tax treatment of credit 
unions. CUMAA stated:
    The Congress finds the following: (4) Credit unions, unlike many 
other participants in the financial services market, are exempt from 
Federal and most State taxes because they are member-owned, 
democratically operated, not-for-profit organizations generally managed 
by volunteer boards of directors and because they have the specified 
mission of meeting the credit and savings needs of consumers, 
especially persons of modest means.
Serving Working America
    The Federal Credit Union Act was enacted by Congress during the 
depths of the Great Depression. The law's preamble said the purpose of 
the legislation was ``to establish a Federal Credit Union System, to 
establish a further market for securities of the United States and to 
make more available to people of small means credit for provident 
purposes through a national system of cooperative credit, thereby 
helping to stabilize the credit structure of the United States.''
    That fleeting reference to ``people of small means'' was the only 
mention of that term in the entire statute. (Many state credit union 
laws do not mention this term at all.) Bankers cite these few cryptic 
words to say that credit unions were chartered to serve only people at 
the low end of the income scale. As the legislative history indicates, 
however, Congress created a national system of credit unions to address 
the credit and savings needs of working Americans, allowing them to 
pool their resources in self-help financial organizations.
    In 1934 basically there were rich people, served by the banks that 
survived in the 1930's, and everyone else who were at the mercy of loan 
sharks. As the 1934 Senate report on the federal credit union bill 
stated, there was a pressing need ``to eliminate the loss of buying 
power which now results from the fact that the masses of the people are 
obliged to look to high-rate money lenders in time of credit 
necessity.'' Credit unions were formed to serve these ``masses,'' and 
are proud to have 87 million members today. The commercial banking 
industry didn't seem to decide until the 1960's that it could make a 
profit off of the everyday financial needs of the typical American 
consumer.
    When he introduced his credit union bill in 1934, Senator Sheppard 
cited the success of the 2,200 state chartered credit unions: ``While 
these credit unions--are managed by the working people and the farmers 
who compose them, they have come through 3 years of extreme depression 
with practically no failures, establishing the finest record ever 
established by any form of banking in times of similar stress. . . . 
This bill is offered as a substantial contribution to a better banking 
system for average city workers and farmers. It would greatly stimulate 
the spread of a form of cooperative banking, which has met every test 
of the depression successfully.''
    Senator Sheppard in his introductory remarks cited the success of 
state chartered credit unions composed of: postal workers; railroad 
workers; city employees; telephone workers; members of the National 
Grange; and the American Legion. Looking at the largest credit unions 
today, they are based on similar memberships composed of: America's 
military services; federal, state and local government employees; 
airline transportation employees; utility company employees; and so 
forth. The common denominator of the credit union member of the 1930's 
and the credit union member of the 21st century is he or she is part of 
working America. Morris Sheppard, Wright Patman and the other members 
of Congress who advocated in the 1930's the development of a national 
credit union system would be very proud to see their handiwork today.
    Credit union charters based on community, associations or 
employment existed prior to 1934, and the new Federal Credit Union Act 
also recognized these various types of charters. However, charters 
based on employee groups were by far the most viable because they 
consisted of people who were employed and were the easiest to organize 
into a critical mass of participation. Therefore, most credit union 
charters issued in the decades following 1934 were for employee groups. 
Obviously, the U.S. economy has changed in 70 years. In the 1930's, one 
in five U.S. workers was employed on farms; today, that ratio has 
fallen to one in forty. In the 1930's, the service sector accounted for 
only one-third of the work force; today it represents more than 80% of 
all workers, many working for small businesses. It was not until the 
early 1980's--faced with a serious recession, a changing workplace, and 
the threat to safety and soundness both to individual credit unions and 
the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (created in 1970)--that 
many credit unions began to change to multiple employee group charters 
or community charters.
    The asset size of a credit union, which is typically a reflection 
of the number of members a credit union serves, also has never been and 
should never be the basis for considering the imposition of federal 
income taxation. Interestingly, Roy Bergengren, a founding father of 
the U.S. credit union movement, testified to the Senate Banking 
Committee in 1933 that in some states some credit unions ``are now 
bigger than the average bank in the State.''
Serving Member Businesses
    Some people are of the mistaken belief that credit unions did not 
get the authority to offer business loans until the passage of the 
Credit Union Membership Access Act in 1998. On the contrary, credit 
unions have offered what we now think of as business loans from their 
earliest days. In fact, CUMAA limited for the first time by statute how 
much business lending a federally insured credit union can do. Until 
NCUA issued a member business loan regulation in 1987, the only 
restriction on business lending by a federal credit union was found in 
its bylaws.
    It was no secret to those involved in passage of the Federal Credit 
Union Act in 1934 that business loans were commonly made by certain 
credit unions, depending on their field of membership. Roy Bergengren 
said to the Senate Banking Committee in 1933 that credit unions 
promote: ``--the public good by developing thrift through the credit 
unions, solving the short-term credit problems of the worker, the small 
business man, and the farmer, freeing them from the usurious money 
lenders and teaching sound economic lessons at a time when such 
teaching is very essential'' (emphasis added).
    In fact, the 1934 law said that federal credit unions' purpose was 
``creating a source of credit for provident or productive purposes.'' 
This language anticipated that business loans would be made by federal 
credit unions, since state chartered credit unions had been making 
business loans since first chartered in 1909. For instance, here is a 
Boston advertisement from around 1912:
    The Industrial Credit Union encourages borrowing by its members, 
when it will enable them--(2) To become established in business. 
Examples: The purchase of tools for a mechanic. The giving of 
sufficient credit to a member to enable him to start a business where 
he must put out money for wages, bonds, running expenses, etc. The 
buying for cash of plant, good-will or stock in trade.
    Roy Bergengren documented in 1923: A loan for a World War I veteran 
to start a junk business; a loan to another veteran to buy a truck to 
fix machines; a loan to a widow to buy stenography equipment; and a 
loan to a man to buy a variety store in his neighborhood with follow-up 
loans for improvements and goods. In 1924, in a meeting seeking to 
organize financial cooperatives, the keynoter said a basic need in 
obtaining federal legislation is to make loans for ``thrifty or 
productive use; that is, primarily for purposes that will enable 
borrowers to repay their loans out of the increase of that for which 
money is spent.''
    A 1927 study on ``Why Workers Borrow: A Study of Four Thousand 
Credit Union Loans,'' published by the federal government in its 
``Monthly Labor Review,'' found that about 8% of the loans were to 
``small business men who needed help to tide them over a dull period or 
to expand when their business seemed to warrant it. Many of the 
shopkeepers also borrowed in order to make cash payments on stock when 
they could buy it more cheaply that way.''
    In responding to NCUA's 1986 proposal to impose restrictions on 
business lending by all federally insured credit, those credit unions 
making business loans provided many examples. (Of course, then as now, 
only certain credit unions engage in business lending, depending on 
their fields of membership.) Here are a couple of examples from the 
mid-1980's of the types of business loans being made by credit unions 
at that time:

      Northeast Community Federal Credit Union in San 
Francisco: Loans to immigrants to open small businesses in the changing 
``Tenderloin'' area of the city.
      Santa Cruz Community Credit Union in California: Between 
its founding in 1977 and in 1985, approximately $12 million of its $20 
million in loans were made for business purposes (many for less than 
$25,000). Example: A business loan to a small local newspaper for 
capital expansion.

    So contrary to any belief that Congress intended that credit unions 
be precluded from making business loans to its members as a condition 
of being tax-exempt organizations, the record clearly shows that for 25 
years prior to the enactment of the Federal Credit Union Act in 1934 
and for the 70 years after its enactment, certain federal and state 
chartered credit unions have been an important resource for member 
business loans.
Credit Unions Are Unique Among Cooperatives
    Credit unions' earnings are the pot of money that would be taxed at 
the end of the year. Taxation would erode what credit unions could 
build as a cushion and, depending on economic conditions, could even 
undermine maintaining the net worth required by statute. This cushion 
not only protects the credit union itself from future challenges, but 
also protects the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund. Because 
the full faith and credit of the United States stands behind the 
NCUSIF, ultimately the American taxpayers pay if serious problems arise 
in the financial market place. This is what happened when the federal 
government had to spend billions of dollars to clean up the savings and 
loan industry debacle of the 1980's.
    Although both the NCUSIF and the Federal Deposit Insurance 
Corporation (which insures bank deposits) are backed by the U.S. 
government, only the NCUSIF requires the institutions it insures to 
deposit an amount equal to 1% of their federally insured funds with the 
U.S. Treasury and to replenish the 1% from their retained earnings if 
financial troubles throughout the system require large NCUSIF payouts. 
As credit unions grow, they are required to contribute more to maintain 
their 1% deposit in the NCUSIF, and the added dollars count toward the 
federal government's deficit reduction. Therefore, the unique NCUSIF 
capitalization system relies on well-capitalized credit unions that can 
transfer funds to the NCUSIF in case of systemic problems. The FDIC 
insurance program has no such safety net before it turns to the 
Congress for appropriated funds.
    Other cooperatives don't have the full faith and credit of the 
United States ultimately standing behind their ventures. Fortunately, 
credit unions by their very nature--volunteer-lead, non-stock 
cooperatives--are conservatively run because there is no personal 
pecuniary interest in taking risks with other people's money, a key 
credit union distinction from both stock and mutual banks. It would be 
counterproductive to tax credit unions, thereby encouraging them to run 
up expenses and otherwise reducing their net income subject to tax.
    Although estimates of taxing credit union indicate that that about 
$1.5 billion a year would be collected by the federal government, these 
estimates apparently don't take into account fundamental changes that 
inevitably would be made in credit union operations if taxed. For 
example, there are 150,000 people who volunteer their services by 
serving on credit union boards and committees to further the not-for-
profit mission of their credit unions. The Federal Credit Union Act 
prohibits all but one volunteer from being compensated, and for the few 
federal credit unions that provide any ``compensation,'' it is nominal. 
Some states allow board compensation, but again any compensation 
received by board members in those states typically is quite nominal, 
if provided at all.
    Since any compensation paid by a taxable organization is a 
deductible expense, the question would quickly arise if a credit union 
were taxed, ``Why not pay people who serve on boards of directors, 
supervisory committees, credit committees, and other committees of the 
credit union?'' This would lower the taxes due, but also undermine a 
credit union's fundamental philosophy, ``People Helping People.'' And 
anyone serving in any position for other than nominal compensation is 
certainly driven by different motives than those who are volunteering 
their services.
ARE CREDIT UNIONS SERVING THEIR INTENDED GOALS?
Treasury and Congressional Findings: CUs Fulfill Their Purpose
    The U.S. Department of the Treasury has conducted several detailed 
studies of credit unions in the last eight years. These objective 
studies, which were requested by Congress, are exhaustive and present 
detailed analyses of the credit union system. The studies portray 
credit unions generally as robust institutions with a specialized 
structure serving identifiable groups of members.
    One of the most comprehensive studies, ``Comparing Credit Unions 
With Other Depository Institutions,'' was issued in 2001. (The link to 
the study is: 
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/reports/report30702.doc.)
    In that study, the Treasury Department was asked to analyze, among 
other issues, the ``potential effects'' of imposing federal tax laws on 
credit unions in the same manner as they are applied to banks and other 
financial institutions.
    As part of its review, the study examined the history of the tax 
treatment of credit unions, including Congress' rationale for the 
credit union exemption. The Treasury Department concluded (on page 28 
of the report):
    Thus, the tax exemption was based primarily on the organizational 
form of credit unions--.
    The study observed that credit unions have grown larger in recent 
years and have expanded the list of products and services they offer 
their members. Nonetheless, drawing on the Credit Union Membership 
Access Act (CUMAA, P.L. 105-219) and a 1997 Treasury report, ``Credit 
Unions,'' the study concluded, remain ``clearly distinguishable from'' 
banks and thrifts in their organizational and operational 
characteristics. Such characteristics are:

      Credit unions are member-owned and each is entitled to 
one vote in selecting the credit union's board and in other decisions.
      Credit unions do not issue capital stock but create net 
worth by retaining earnings.
      While some credit unions have the legal authority to have 
paid employees or other paid directors serve on their boards, credit 
unions depend on volunteers elected by their members to serve as 
directors.
      Credit unions are not-for-profit and all earnings are 
either retained as net worth or returned to the members in the form of 
lower loan rates, dividends or interest on savings, bonus dividends or 
similar uses.
      Credit unions may ``only accept as members those 
individuals identified in a credit union's articulated field of 
membership.''

    The study noted that while other types of institutions may exhibit 
one or more of these characteristics, only credit unions exhibit all 
five together.
    Section Two of the congressional findings of CUMAA--legislation 
enacted in 1998 to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling on field of 
membership--lists these same attributes as the distinguishing factors a 
credit union embodies.
    The CUMAA congressional findings also concluded that credit unions 
are exempt from taxation because of these characteristics and because 
credit unions have ``the specified mission of meeting the credit and 
savings needs of consumers, especially (but not only,) (parenthesis 
added) persons of modest means''.
    Congress further found, after probing hearings in the House 
Financial Services Committee and Senate Banking Committee, that the 
credit union movement in the United States began as a ``cooperative 
effort to serve the productive and provident credit needs of 
individuals of modest means.''
    Congress further stated in its findings that ``Credit unions 
continue to fulfill this public purpose. . . .''
Service To All Members, Including Those of Modest Means, Is the 
        Hallmark of Credit Unions
    I began this statement by listing some of my own credit union's 
services. Credit unions all across the country undertake considerable 
efforts to serve the financial needs of individuals of modest means. 
These programs include pro-consumer check cashing and other services 
that provide alternatives to payday lending; beneficial savings plans; 
financial counseling; financial management workshops; special home 
mortgage and other tailored lending programs; and partnerships with 
community organizations that serve low and moderate income families.
    These initiatives are in addition to the favorable loan and savings 
programs credit unions routinely offer their members. Many credit 
unions will open a share certificate or savings account for $100 or 
less and will grant a member a loan for a similar low amount--a 
practice that is virtually unheard of at other financial institutions. 
In addition, a number of credit unions provide technical support, 
training, equipment, financial or other assistance to credit unions 
that serve predominantly low and moderate income areas.
    Throughout most of their history, credit unions have actually been 
hamstrung in their efforts to serve members of modest means because 
field of membership rules generally restricted eligibility to 
occupational groups. It is only in the past couple of decades that 
smaller employee groups because eligible for credit union service, and 
even more recently that community charters became relatively accessible 
for credit unions. Then just five years ago, the National Credit Union 
Administration adopted an expedited program known as Access Across 
America to permit federal credit unions to add underserved areas to 
their fields of membership. Since the beginning of 2001, over 92 
million potential members from underserved areas have been added to 
credit union fields of membership. Credit unions acknowledge it will 
take some time to reach out to and serve members in these communities. 
However, in the three years ending December 2003, credit unions that 
added such underserved areas experienced membership growth over three 
times that of other credit unions (17.4% vs. 5.2% over the three year 
period.)
    The study, ``Who Uses Credit Unions,'' (Lee, Jinkook, University of 
Georgia and Kelly, Jr., William A., University of Wisconsin-Madison) 
which was updated in 2004, clearly shows that households of modest 
means, as well as households in other income categories, rely on credit 
unions to meet their financial needs. The study was based on the Survey 
of Consumer Finance that is sponsored every three years by the Federal 
Reserve Board.
    Among other things, the study reviewed the median net financial 
wealth of households, which it defined as total financial wealth less 
credit card and other unsecured debt. This included deposit accounts, 
mutual funds, securities accounts, savings, insurance, cash and other 
financial assets.
    The study found that households that use banks exclusively have a 
median net financial wealth 2.7 times as much as households that use a 
credit union exclusively. The median net financial wealth for a credit 
union household was $7,900. The average annual income for households 
that use credit unions only for their financial needs was $42,662 
compared to $76,923 for households using banks only. Income could 
include wages, salaries, interest income, unemployment compensation, 
child support, alimony, welfare assistance and pension income.
    The study's findings squarely refute the charge that bank customers 
are less affluent than credit union members. ``Households using a bank 
and not a credit union have higher incomes and wealth than households 
that use only a credit union,'' the study points out.
    The methodology of the study is significant because unlike other 
studies, it reviewed consumer financial institution affiliations based 
on five categories: households that use banks only and are not members 
of a credit union (56% of the households); households that use both 
banks and credit unions, but primarily use a bank (16%); households 
that use both banks and credit unions but primarily use a credit union 
(12%); households that use a credit union only (8%); and those that use 
neither banks nor credit unions (6%).
    The use of this model allowed the study to overcome the 
deficiencies in other studies on credit union membership that compare 
credit union members with non-members or compare credit union members 
with bank customers.
    The study also found:
    At the top income brackets, we see a very high use of banks only, 
which suggests that banks are particularly successful in gaining the 
entire business of these households. However, households in the top 
income brackets seldom use a credit union only. For example, in the 
$100,000-$200,000 income category, households are 23 times more likely 
to use only a bank than only a credit union and households with income 
over $200,000 are 68 times more likely to use only a bank than only a 
credit union. . . . Further among those that use a bank only, median 
net financial wealth is higher than among households that use a credit 
union.
    The latest report from the Federal Reserve Board on Home Mortgage 
Disclosure Act (HMDA) data (December 2004) also demonstrates credit 
unions' service to those of modest means.
    The HMDA data set provides a wealth of information on mortgages by 
type of loan (such as refinancing and conventional loans) and the 
socioeconomic characteristics of the applicant. The data provides 
information on loan approvals and denials. It also shows the proportion 
of approved loans that were actually granted.
    The HMDA data over the past three years, ending in 2004, shows:

      A rising proportion of mortgage loans originated by 
credit unions are to low-to-moderate income (LMI) borrowers (those 
whose household income is at 80% of median or less).
      As a result, in 2003 and 2004, a greater proportion of 
credit union mortgage loans were made to LMI borrowers than at other 
lenders.

          PROPORTIONS OF MORTGAGES ORIGINATED TO LMI BORROWERS
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                                       2002         2003         2004
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Credit Unions                          24.3%        25.4%        27.6%
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All Other Lenders                      26.2%        25.4%        26.6%
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CU--Others                             -1.9%         0.1%         1.0%
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    This is firm evidence that credit unions are taking advantage of 
greater opportunities to serve LMI members and disproportionately serve 
LMI borrowers.
    In addition to the core fact that credit unions make a greater 
portion of their loans to LMI borrowers than other lenders do, there 
are a number of other indicators in the HMDA data that demonstrate 
greater credit union service to LMI borrowers. While credit unions 
serve a greater proportion of LMI borrowers than do other lenders, they 
also provide more favorable treatment to LMI borrowers compared to 
their treatment from other lenders.
    Credit unions understand and appreciate that they have a special 
purpose in helping to meet the financial needs of individuals of modest 
means. Not only is the regulatory environment more conductive to 
outreach, but also CUMAA facilitates credit union expansions to serve 
the underserved. Key data already indicate credit unions provide 
important service to individuals ignored or shunned by other 
institutions and there is every indication that future data will 
reflect the ever growing efforts of credit unions to serve those of 
modest means.
    In fact, just three days ago, here in Washington a group of credit 
unions announced a near billion-dollar new mortgage program targeted 
specifically at our lower income members. This program has been under 
development for the past year. Under the program, which we are calling 
Home Loan Payment Relief (HLPR, pronounced ``helper'') credit unions 
will make loans to borrowers with incomes at or below the local area 
median at rates that are a full percentage point below market for the 
first three years of the loan. After that, therates will adjust to 
market on anadjustable basis, with yearly limits on the increase of 1% 
and a lifetime cap of 5%.
    With the initial rate discount, credit unions are essentially 
giving up their normal net income from these loans. The program will 
enable thousand of modest means credit members to buy their first 
house, without exposing them to the severe risks of such exotic loans 
as short-term adjustable interest only loans. We expect this program to 
grow to over $10 billion over the next several years.
Field of Membership as a Defining Characteristic of Credit Unions
    Since their inception, credit unions have had limitations on whom 
they could serve. Historically, these limitations had nothing to do wit 
the tax exemption. But this is an appropriate occasion to address some 
issues raised by the banking industry about field of membership.
    A credit union's field of membership represents the persons, 
organizations and other entities to whom and which a credit union may 
legally provide its services. At the federal level, a credit union's 
field of membership may be occupational--based on employment by the 
same or related businesses; associational--based on membership in the 
same association; multiple group--comprised of more than one group; or 
based on one or more communities. Each group within a credit union must 
have a common bond, which is the characteristic that distinguishes the 
group from the general public. There are a number of other statutory 
and regulatory restrictions that apply, regardless of the type of field 
of membership a credit union chooses.
    Some would have this Committee believe that field of memberships 
have become so broad that virtually anyone can join any credit union. 
That is far from the case. As a resident of El Paso, I cannot join a 
credit union with a community charter in New York, regardless of how 
large that community might be. As a credit union CEO, I cannot join 
Navy Federal Credit Union, and my colleague from Navy Federal cannot 
join GECU.
    At the same time, comments from then NCUA Board Chairman Dennis 
Dollar help illustrate why reasonable field of membership expansions 
and the capability to add new groups is so essential to credit unions.
    We have lost more credit unions, and particularly small credit 
unions, because of lack of diversification of field of membership than 
any other reason. If we are going to be effective with risk-management 
in our credit unions, if we are going to be effective enabling credit 
unions to diversify their risk to where the closing or downsizing of a 
sponsor does not take away what would otherwise be a strong and 
functioning credit union, we must have diversification in our field of 
membership within the bounds of what the law allows.
    Consistent with the bankers' record of attack, several issues 
remain the subject of their criticism. One relates to the misconception 
that CUMAA only permits groups of 3,000 or less to be added to an 
existing credit union. This is inaccurate.
    Groups with 3,000 or more members are eligible to join an existing 
credit union if the NCUA determines in writing in accordance with 
guidelines and regulations that the group would not be financially 
viable and is unlikely to succeed as a new single common bond credit 
union. (S. Rept. 105-193)
     Another issue is how NCUA views ``local'' as the term applies to 
the area a community credit union may serve. The fact remains that 
Congress specifically authorized NCUA to prescribe a regulation 
defining ``well-defined local community'' for credit unions that seek 
to serve a community. NCUA was given this task because it has the 
relevant expertise developed over decades of implementing field of 
membership issues.
    Community credit unions must meet all legal requirements, including 
being well-defined by specific geographic boundaries. Under NCUA's 
policies, ``If NCUA does not find sufficient evidence of community 
interaction and common interests--additional documentation will be 
required'' in order for NCUA to assess whether the community exists and 
may be rejected if all requirements are not met.
    Additionally, community credit unions must develop a detailed and 
practical business plan. The plan must ``focus on the accomplishment of 
the unique financial and operational factors of a community charter. 
Community credit unions will be expected to regularly review and to 
follow--the business plan'' which is also subject to review by NCUA 
examiners.
    As NCUA Board Chairman JoAnn Johnson stated, NCUA follows three 
standards when implementing policy: it must be thoroughly consistent 
with CUMAA; it must comply with recognized and historical safety and 
soundness standards; and it must be implemented with a minim amount of 
paperwork and unnecessary regulatory burden.
    In responding to Congress's directive to prescribe requirements for 
``well-defined local communities'' that is exactly what NCUA has done.
    As stated by then NCUA board member Debbie Matz when the changes to 
the agency's field of membership policy were adopted:
    I am cognizant of the fact that the statute requires that a 
proposed community credit union must comprise ``a local community, 
neighborhood, or rural district.'' I have given a great deal of thought 
to the concept of ``local community'' and what that really means in the 
year 2003. I have concluded that times have changed and so has the 
concept of local community. Years ago this might have been the 
neighborhood in which one lived and worked--perhaps a few city blocks 
or a town. In this age of advanced communications, accessible public 
transportation and highway systems and regional shopping malls and 
business centers, the larger community charters permitted in this 
regulation are not, in my opinion, inconsistent with the statutory 
requirements.
    Further, I have concluded that size, in and of itself, should not 
be a factor in determining the validity of a field of membership. It is 
a commitment to the credit union philosophy of people helping people. 
This is what credit unions are all about. I believe that one of the 
distinguishing characteristics of credit unions is the wide array of 
affordable financial services they offer: $200 loans to a family to 
prevent their electricity from being turned off; risk-based lending as 
an alternative to payday loans; branches in very-low-income 
neighborhoods; and world-class financial literacy programs. Under this 
rule, the size of a community is no longer the primary focus. Our 
attention would shift to the real issue--how the credit union would 
serve everyone in its field of membership.
    Perhaps most importantly, larger fields of membership will permit 
more people to join a credit union and I think that is a really good 
thing. This (change) will permit credit unions to make their services 
available to some of the 56 million people who do not have accounts in 
insured financial institutions.
    Despite rhetoric to the contrary, credit union membership has 
demonstrable limitations. Nonetheless, as recognized by GAO, the 
Treasury and others, CUMAA contains a number of provisions that 
authorize credit union membership growth and expansion. NCUA's 
obligation as the regulatory agency charged with implementing these 
provisions is to permit credit unions to utilize the full extent of the 
field of membership authority granted to them by Congress, which the 
agency seeks to do. Any less from NCUA would be abrogating the 
responsibilities bestowed on it by Congress.
    None of this has the slightest bearing on the tax exemption issue.
Credit Union Member Business Lending Meets A Need that is Not Being 
        Fulfilled Elsewhere 
    Based on data from the Small Business Administration (SBA) and 
elsewhere, credit unions that engage in member business lending often 
fulfill borrowing needs that are not being met by other institutions. 
Nonetheless, credit union opponents often focus their criticisms on 
member business lending activities.
    Under CUMAA, the Department of the Treasury was requested to review 
a number of issues relating to credit unions' member business lending. 
This included examining the extent to which member business lending 
helps to meet the financial needs of low and moderate income 
individuals. The study also considered whether credit unions that 
engage in member business lending have a competitive advantage over 
other financial institutions.
    In January 2001, the Treasury issued its report, which indicated 
then, as is the case now, that member business lending is consistent 
with the purpose of credit unions; it does not represent the 
competitive concern that banks claim it does; and it is an activity for 
credit unions that is consistent with safety and soundness.
    Under NCUA rules and statutory requirements, a member business loan 
(MBL) is a loan, line of credit, or letter of credit under which the 
borrower uses the proceeds for commercial, corporate, business 
investment property or venture, or agricultural purposes. Loans fully 
secured by 1-4 family residences and loans the total of which to an 
individual are less than $50,000 are excluded. As part of CUMAA, credit 
unions must limit their MBLs to the lesser of 1.75 times net worth or 
12.25 percent of total assets. These limits were first imposed in 1998.
    In its study, the Treasury found that 25 percent of the credit 
union member business loans were made to members with household incomes 
of less than $30,000. Another 20 percent of credit union member 
business loans were to households with incomes between $30,000 and 
$50,000. The study also indicated that member business lending does not 
pose a material risk to the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund.
    The Treasury added:
    ``Business lending is a niche market for credit unions. Overall, 
credit unions are not a threat to the viability and profitability of 
other insured depository institutions.''
    A major reason for the Treasury's conclusion is that credit unions 
share of business loans is less than 1 percent of the market. Only 
about 1,780 credit unions make member business loans, an increase of 
about 170 credit unions from 1995. Also, the average size member 
business loan at a credit union is around $155,000. A 2002 survey 
conducted by the American Bankers Association showed that only 4% of 
commercial banks viewed credit unions as their primary competitors in 
business lending or other business financial services.
    ``Banks still dominate SBA lending,'' the American Banker newspaper 
reported on October 27, 2005. ``More than a dozen banking companies 
make more loans on their own than all credit unions combined in fiscal 
2005. Bank of America Corp., for example, made nearly 12,000 worth $413 
million.''
    Citing the need for lenders to make more, small business loans, the 
SBA has encouraged credit unions to participate in its 7(a) lending 
program. Currently 103 credit unions make loans through that program; 
the average loan size is around $109,000.
    Treasury Secretary John Snow has also encouraged credit unions to 
provide member business loans. In February 2004, the Secretary appeared 
before the CUNA Governmental Affairs Conference and commended credit 
unions:
    Small business is at the foundation of this great economy, and 
credit unions have been there for entrepreneurs when they needed you 
the most. As of last year, credit unions were welcomed into the SBA 
lending programs, and I hope that has helped out both you and America's 
entrepreneurs as much as this Administration hoped it would. You know 
as well as I do: small business is where the jobs come from. We 
estimate that between two-thirds and three-quarters of recent net new 
jobs are coming from that sector. That's why we want to make small 
business tax cuts permanent, and that's why I want to commend the 
credit union community for financing America's hard-working small-
business owners!
    In February of this year, the Secretary reiterated his support:
    You do good work. Loans to small business, home mortgages, 
financial education and fighting the financial war on terror--each one 
of these efforts is critical to our country's economic health and 
strength, and I applaud you for doing good while you do business. We 
don't want less small business lending.
    Yet, that is exactly what banker groups envision for credit unions, 
making fewer member business loans. If that happens, it won't just be 
credit unions and their members that are harmed, but the small business 
community and the economy.
USE OF THE TAX BENEFIT
    There are significant financial benefits to members. The nation's 
87 million credit union members benefit by $6.3 billion a year as a 
result of paying fewer and lower fees and lower loan rates and earning 
higher rates on deposits compared to banking institutions. This $6.3 
billion is not retained by just a few large stockholders. Instead it is 
distributed across all 87 million members based on their usage of the 
credit union. In fact, relatively more of the benefit accrues to lower 
income members than would be explained by their volume of business at 
the credit union because credit union pricing tends to be friendlier to 
lower balance accounts than at banks and alternative financial 
institutions. For example, in 2004, considering a basic checking 
account, 79% of credit unions had a no fee account compared to only 32% 
of banks. Further, at those credit unions charging a fee, the monthly 
average was less than half the average fee charged by banks, $4.21 
compared to $8.56. Finally, the average minimum balance required to 
avoid the fee at a credit union was $486, less than a third of the 
average fee-avoiding minimum at banks of $1,645. Clearly, lower income 
members receive significant benefits from their access to credit union 
service.
    There are also significant financial benefits to consumers that are 
not members of credit unions. Based on the work of Professors Robert 
Tokle of Idaho State University and Robert Feinberg of American 
University, and also based on research from the Board of Governors of 
the Federal Reserve, bank customers benefit to the tune of at about 
$4.3 billion a year. This is the result of lower loan rates and higher 
deposit rates at banks as a result of the existence of credit unions. 
The effect of credit union presence on bank fees has not been 
estimated, but undoubtedly would add to the $4.3 billion annual benefit 
to bank customers.
    Although bank customers benefit because of the existence of credit 
unions, other financial institutions continue to thrive in the presence 
of credit unions. The FDIC recently reported that banks recorded record 
profits for the fourth year in a row.\1\ Aggregate bank return on 
assets (ROA) has exceeded 1% for the past 12 years, averaging 1.23%. 
And credit unions are only growing marginally faster than banks. In the 
decade ending in 2004, total banking institution assets grew at a 
compound annual rate of 7.25% compared to 8.4% for credit unions. 
Credit unions now account for 6.2% of the combined assets of all 
depository institutions. At the growth rates of the past decade, it 
will take until the year 2053 for the credit union share to climb to 
just 10%.
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    \1\ Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Quarterly Banking 
Profile, Fourth Quarter 2004.
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    The health of the banking industry over the past decade has not 
been confined to just large banks. In a 2003 conference, Federal 
Reserve Gov. Mark Olson said: ``The year that just ended was one of 
record profits for the industry as a whole, and for community banks in 
particular--Community banking has a long history of strength and 
success and a bright future. The past year was a good one for community 
banks. Once again the vitality and adaptability of the community 
banking franchise were amply demonstrated.'' \2\ Two Federal Reserve 
economists have recently described the strong performance of the 
nation's smaller banks. They found that ``small banks have grown 
considerably more rapidly than large banks and have tended to meet or 
exceed them in some measures of profitability.'' \3\
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    \2\ Comments before the 2003 Chicago Federal Reserve Bank 
Conference: Whither the Community Bank?
    \3\ William F. Bassett and Thomas F. Brady. The Economic 
Performance of Small Banks, 1985-2000.   Federal Reserve Bulletin, 
November 2001.
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    In total then, bank customers and credit union members benefit to 
the tune of at least $10.6 billion a year. That is seven times the 
amount of revenue that would result from the taxation of credit unions. 
The tax exemption is leveraged in this way because of the cooperative 
structure of credit unions. When comparing banks to credit unions, the 
amount that banks pay in dividends to stockholders is more significant 
than is the tax exemption. Further, credit unions pay very little 
compensation to directors, with the savings passed on to members. 
Finally, credit unions' ratios for expenses and loan losses compare 
very favorably to similarly sized banks.
    Society benefits in a number of ways from the tax exemption of the 
nation's not-for profit credit unions. Both members and nonmembers 
benefit from the existence of credit unions. Part of that benefit stems 
from having a sector of the financial services industry with the 
provision of service to the less fortunate in our society as an 
integral part of their strategic mission. This benefits the nation's 
modest means households both directly through credit union services and 
indirectly by serving as an example to other financial service 
providers. In addition, the taxpayer is provided considerable 
protection from risk of loss to the National Credit Union Share 
Insurance Fund by virtue of the tax exemption. Credit unions also 
provide an important source of loans to America's small businesses at a 
time when credit from other sources is becoming less available.
    Removing the tax exemption of credit unions would so change the 
structure of the industry that within a few years, most credit unions 
would either have become banks or would be operating very much like 
banks. That would result in a significant loss of benefits to the 
nation's 87 million credit union members.
    Credit union members benefit both financially and non-financially 
by virtue of their membership in a credit union. In terms of non-
financial benefits, they have the opportunity to belong to and 
participate in a democratically controlled financial cooperative. 
Further, they may volunteer to participate in the governance of their 
financial institution. Crucial to credit unions is the control exerted 
by the over 150,000 volunteers who serve on boards and committees. 
Credit unions are also known for offering consumer education and 
financial counseling services that would be threatened under taxation.
    Evidence of the consistently strong level of member focus at credit 
unions is found in the results of the annual American Banker newspaper 
survey of financial institution customers. Credit union members have 
for 21 years in a row given credit unions higher satisfaction ratings 
than bank customers give banks. The cooperative structure really does 
make a difference.
    The tax exemption also serves to protect taxpayers from losses to 
the share insurance fund. There are two important connections between 
the stability of NCUSIF and credit unions' tax exemption. First, the 
primary buffer for a deposit insurance system is the capital or net 
worth maintained in insured institutions. Because credit unions have no 
access to capital markets, their only source of capital is the 
retention of earnings. A tax on net income would thus disincent credit 
unions from retaining earnings, weakening protection for the NCUSIF. In 
fact, the cost to the taxpayer of FSLIC's losses far exceeded the total 
taxes paid by FSLIC insured institutions prior to FSLIC's failure.
    Second, as cooperatives, credit unions have a systemic inclination 
to avoid risky activities. Kane and Hendershott have shown that the 
cooperative structure of credit unions presents credit union decision 
makers with incentives that are strikingly different from those faced 
by a for-profit financial institution, making it less feasible for 
credit union managers to benefit from high-risk strategies.\4\ This is 
an especially useful trait for federally insured depository 
institutions.
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    \4\ Edward Kane and Robert Hendershott, The Federal Deposit 
Insurance Fund that Didn't Put a Bite on U.S. Taxpayers   Journal of 
Banking and Finance, 20(September, 1996), pp.1305-1327.
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    Credit unions have a long history of providing business loans to 
their members, although such loans represent a small portion of the 
portfolio for most credit unions. However, at a time when research 
published by the Small Business Administration finds that consolidation 
in the banking industry is reducing credit access for small business, 
the credit access provided by credit unions is even more important.
    Society benefits in a number of ways from the existence of 
cooperative, not-for-profit credit unions. These benefits would 
gradually disappear were credit unions subject to federal income tax. 
Credit union regulation, which is much more restrictive than that for 
other financial institutions, includes: limits on who the credit union 
can serve, limits on business lending, lack of access to capital 
markets, etc. The tax exemption is the incentive that encourages credit 
union CEOs and boards to continue to operate as credit unions rather 
than throwing off the restrictions by converting to a bank charter. 
Such conversions would only limit the range of choices available to 
America's consumers, especially those of modest means.
CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE NOT COMPROMISED JUSTIFICATION OF RETAINING 
        THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS
    Credit unions have undergone changes similar to other industries 
over time. With new technology, the advent of new products and 
services, credit union members have demanded that their credit unions 
provide them with access to all the benefits of a modern financial 
service provider. Credit union membership trends have changed during 
this time as well. Historically, credit unions were employer based, but 
with changes in the economy and the closure of many plants, credit 
unions found ways to continue serving their members, most recently by 
converting to geographically based memberships that the Federal Credit 
Union Act has made possible since 1934. But one thing has remained 
constant--the structure of a credit union and its intense focus on 
providing its members a not-for-profit alternative with personal 
service.
Credit Union Products and Services Remain Comparatively Restricted
    As member owned institutions, credit unions endeavor to offer 
products and services that their members need and want. And as 
technology results in more and better offerings, credit unions must 
respond to meet their members' demands, so long as they permissible by 
law and regulation.
    Over the years, NCUA, like the bank and thrift regulators, has on 
occasion amended its regulations to permit credit unions more 
flexibility to serve their members better. For example, in 2001 NCUA 
included in its rules a list of activities that federal credit unions 
may engage in that are incidental to their authority to operate as a 
credit union. Such activities encompass electronic financial services 
and loan-related products. While some have sought to portray the rule 
change as too liberal, in essence the incidental powers rule codified 
activities that NCUA had already permitted credit unions to engage in 
through prior legal opinion letters.
    While NCUA has made incremental changes to the list of permissible 
activities for credit unions, Congress has not considered any 
comprehensive modernization of the Federal Credit Union Act in over 70 
years. (CUMAA, passed in 1998, as previously indicated, was a response 
to efforts to correct a field of membership problem and resulted in 
imposing new, burdensome regulations on credit unions.) By contrast, it 
is fair to note that the sweeping new authority Congress granted the 
banking system when it adopted the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act in 1999 does 
not apply to credit unions, with the exception of the privacy 
provisions. Under that Act, among other things, affiliations between 
banks, securities firms and insurance companies are facilitated. In 
addition, financial holding companies are authorized to engage in a 
range of activities, including any activity that the Federal Reserve 
Board determines is financial in nature or incidental to financial 
activities. Banks are permitted to own or control a financial 
subsidiary that engages in activities that banks may not engage in 
directly, and they may underwrite and deal in municipal revenue bonds. 
Further, the Act authorized a number of securities activities for banks 
including statutory exemptions from broker/dealer requirements and 
investment advisory requirements.
    Even without Gramm-Leach-Bliley, credit unions lag far behind banks 
in the kinds of activities in which they can engage, notwithstanding 
the fact that credit unions may offer additional services to their 
membership through credit union service organizations (Credit unions 
may loan up to 1% of their assets to a CUSO or invest up to 1% of 
assets in such organizations.) The 2001 Treasury study comparing credit 
unions with banks makes it clear credit unions face more operational 
restrictions than other institutions.
    In general, federal credit unions have more limited powers than 
national banks and federal savings associations. Most notably, federal 
credit unions face stricter limitations on their commercial lending and 
securities activities. In addition, a usury ceiling prevents them from 
charging more than 18 percent on any loan, and the term of many types 
of loans may not extend beyond 12 years.
    The Treasury notes a number of activities that are not permissible 
for credit unions but are allowed for banks. These include the offering 
of trust accounts, the purchase or sale of derivatives, investments in 
corporate debt securities and other activities. (Unlike banks, credit 
unions' investments are very limited and include government and agency 
securities, along with certain insurances of government-sponsored 
enterprises. Credit unions with net worth of 9% have authority to 
invest in certain mortgage-related securities.)
    One of the harshest limitations on credit unions is the ceiling on 
their member business lending, which is set at the lesser of 1.75 times 
net worth or 12.25 percent of total assets. National banks have no 
specific restrictions on commercial lending and thrifts may make 
commercial loans up to 20% of their total assets.
    Credit unions also come under more stringent core net worth 
(capital) requirements than are placed on banks. As required by 
statute, credit unions must maintain net worth levels that are actually 
spelled out in the law. Banks also have core capital requirements, but 
they are set by regulation, which is easier to change than statutory 
requirements. In addition, credit unions sustain core net worth that is 
a full two percentage points higher than the core capital required of 
banks.
    Indeed, the net worth, lending, and other significant restrictions 
under which credit unions operate are the impetus for the credit union 
provisions in the Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act, HR 3505, 
and the Credit Union Regulatory Improvements Act, HR 2317, which are 
currently pending in the House.
    There is no question that while credit unions may offer products 
and services provided by banks and thrifts in response to their 
members' needs, credit unions operate under serious constraints. As 
concluded by the Treasury:
    Federal credit unions generally operate within the same legal 
framework as other federally insured depository institutions. Most 
differences between credit unions and other depository institutions 
derive from the structure of credit unions. Credit unions have fewer 
powers available to them than do banks and thrifts.
A Credit Union's Size Does Not Affect Its Mission
    Some have suggested that the nation's very largest credit unions 
are in some sense no longer true credit unions, that they no longer 
live up to what Congress originally intended credit unions to be. They 
go on to argue that therefore large credit unions should no longer be 
tax-exempt. Yet, these ``large'' credit unions continue to promote 
thrift and to provide a source of credit for provident or productive 
purposes. How many members a credit union has, or how many loans it 
provides does not affect the core characteristics of a credit union, or 
the real reasons for credit union's tax exemption. Further, large 
credit unions today fully live up to what Congress had in mind when it 
originally created the federal credit union charter and later granted 
the credit union tax exemption. It should also be remembered that a 
``large'' credit union would still be modest sized by bank standards, 
and that the nation's three largest banking institutions each is larger 
than the entire credit union movement.
    None of the core characteristics of credit unions or rationales for 
credit unions' tax exemption has anything to do with credit union size, 
field of membership restrictions, the range of services offered, or the 
extent to which credit unions might not compete with other financial 
institutions. Instead, they have everything to do with the cooperative 
structure of credit unions and their mission of providing affordable 
services to American households, especially those of modest means.
    Credit unions are all about their members. Today credit unions 
serve 87 million members with affordable financial services. Twenty one 
million of those members belong to the one hundred credit unions with 
assets over $1 billion. There is no relation between the size of an 
institution and the absence or presence of reasons to justify the tax 
exemption. Large credit unions are democratically controlled, not-for-
profit cooperatives in every way that smaller credit unions are. The 
boards of directors of large credit unions are composed of volunteers 
just as they are at small credit unions. A large credit union may be 
more likely to offer a broader array of services, and to be a greater 
presence in a local community. However, neither factor makes it less a 
cooperative than a smaller credit union. No one suggests that as soon 
as the congregation of a church, synagogue or mosque exceeds a certain 
size, it should no longer be tax exempt. Likewise, it would be 
ludicrous to say the American Heart Association should lose its tax 
exemption simply because of its size, while a small local charity 
should not.
    Because of their size and efficiency, large credit unions are often 
more able to provide the benefits of the cooperative to members, such 
as lower loan rates and fees and higher dividend rates. Larger credit 
unions are also more able to offer special programs benefiting low- and 
moderate-income households. In a survey conducted in 2002, when asked 
how many of up to 18 services geared to low/mod income households they 
offered, only 6% of credit unions with assets below $20 million offered 
at least half of the services. Fully 42% of credit unions with assets 
over $500 million offered that many of the services. Large credit 
unions are also more likely than small credit unions to participate in 
outreach activities to attract low/mod income members, and to have 
added underserved areas to their fields of membership under NCUA's 
Access Across America program.
    I have already described how my own large credit union fulfills its 
mission. Here are some examples of what other large credit unions do 
today:
    Navy Federal Credit Union, the nation's largest with two and a half 
million members and $25 billion in assets, is the epitome of a not-for-
profit financial cooperative organized to provide its members with low-
cost financial services. It is guided by an unpaid, volunteer, member-
elected Board or Directors (one member, one vote.) Navy Federal serves 
most military and civilian personnel of the Navy and Marine Corps and 
their families, including almost 400,000 young active duty military 
personnel of modest means. Members can open a share account with only 
$5, and the account has no monthly fees, minimum balance requirement, 
and earns dividends. The credit union operates 108 field offices around 
the world, from Keflavik, Iceland to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Diego 
Garcia in the Indian Ocean to Bahrain. Half of the overseas offices 
operate at a loss, but they are maintained in order to serve military 
personnel on overseas deployments.
    San Antonio Federal Credit Union (230,000 members and $1.8 billion 
in assets) is a pioneer in financing manufactured housing for members 
with limited incomes. For many Americans, high quality manufactured 
housing is a cost effect alternative to the escalating costs of 
traditional site built homes. Manufactured housing must meet 
manufacturing standards that meet or often exceed requirements of some 
local codes. Since entering the manufactured housing finance market in 
2002, San Antonio Federal Credit Union has made over 3,000 high quality 
portfolio loans for this affordable housing. The average loan size is 
about $50,000. The credit union is also developing the infrastructure 
to assist other credit unions around the country to serve this market.
    Despite the protestations of community bankers, as described above, 
credit unions are not unfair competitors to banks, and credit unions 
are not eroding their market share. Further, the share of total 
depository institution assets held by community and smaller regional 
banks (all but the top 100 banking institutions in the U.S.) has indeed 
plummeted from 53% in 1992 to 27% in 2004. However, over the same 
period, the share of credit unions has remained stable at about 6%. It 
is the largest 100 banks (larger regionals, super regionals, and money 
center banks) that have taken the market share, from 41% in 1992 to 67% 
in 2004. This is shown in the accompanying chart.
    If credit unions had such an ``unfair'' advantage over banks, one 
can wonder rhetorically why we have not seen a wholesale conversion 
from bank to credit union charters. The reason no commercial bank has 
converted to a credit union is that doing so would expose them to 
democratic ownership and control, would likely cause banker salaries to 
decline dramatically, and would force the institutions to adhere to a 
much more restrictive regulatory regime.
    Finally, it is disappointing but not surprising that in all their 
protestations about the tax treatment of credit unions the banking 
organizations fail to mention the growing role of Subchapter S banks. 
Over 2,100 banks have adopted the Sub S form of tax treatment since 
1997. While Subchapter S status is not the same as a tax exemption, it 
results in significant loss of government revenue. The direct cost to 
the federal government from banking institution Sub S elections is 
estimated to be $790 million in lost revenue in 2004, and the total 
will only grow as banks continue to try to expand Sub S eligibility. In 
fact, it is estimated that the total cost to the Treasury for Sub S 
election will exceed the estimated cost of the credit union tax 
exemption within a few years. We believe that the Committee may wish to 
investigate Subchapter S election, as there appears to be absolutely no 
functional difference between a Sub S and a Sub C corporation to 
justify different tax treatment.

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    Largest 100 Banking Institutions
    (1992 sahre = 41%: 2004 share = 67%)
    Smaller Banking Institutions
    (1992 share = 53%; 2004 share = 27%)
CONCLUSION
    Mr. Chairman, it is clear that credit unions play a powerful role 
in our economy. Credit unions serve people of all walks of life at all 
economic levels. Credit unions provide the public with a not-for-
profit, cooperative alternative to the for-profit sector. Consumers 
benefit by having access to lower cost services that might not 
otherwise be available to them, especially those of modest means. And 
the facts show that the banking industry, which is engaged in an effort 
to put credit unions out of business, continues to mislead Congress 
into thinking that their very existence is threatened because of credit 
unions and their tax status. But banks continue to earn record profits. 
And if you saw the oil industry ads in the Washington Post last week, 
you would have noticed that in fact the banking industry recorded the 
highest profits of all U.S. industries during the second quarter of 
2005--even more than the pharmaceutical industry. While the banking 
industry continues earning record profits, credit unions provide a 
nearly 7-to-1 return to consumers on the dollar, benefiting them by 
over $10 billion dollars in yearly savings.
    Credit unions are an important part of the financial life of 
American consumers. And the tax-exempt status of credit unions is the 
glue that holds credit unions and their not-for-profit approach to 
cooperative financing together. If the tax exemption were removed--if 
87 million Americans were forced to pay taxes solely because of their 
membership in a credit union--it would lead to the end of the movement 
that we know. Credit unions would become banks, and the consumers would 
pay dearly, not only in higher taxes, but in higher fees and less 
return on their savings and borrowings.
    Thank you again, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to address the 
Committee in its effort to review the tax-exempt status of credit 
unions.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you, Ms. May. Mr. Plagge, is that 
correct?

  STATEMENT OF JEFF L. PLAGGE, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
  OFFICER, FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF WAVERLY, WAVERLY, IOWA, ON 
           BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION

    Mr. PLAGGE. That's correct. Plagge.
    Chairman THOMAS. Okay.
    Mr. PLAGGE. Mr. Chairman, my name is Jeff Plagge, and I am 
President and CEO of First National Bank, a community- and 
employee-owned bank in Waverly, Iowa. We just celebrated our 
141st anniversary. I am grateful for the opportunity to testify 
about the credit union tax-exemption, and, on behalf of the 
American Bankers Association, and thank you for holding this 
hearing. As we've heard many times, Federal Credit Unions pay 
no income tax. In 1937, Congress exempted Federal Credit Unions 
from all forms of taxation--Federal taxation, and chartered 
them with the specific mission of helping people of small 
means. Traditional credit unions still fulfill this mission by 
providing basic financial services to a well-defined group. 
Unfortunately, an increasing number of credit unions have 
abandoned this core mission. Instead of helping people of small 
means, sophisticated credit unions are expanding into 
commercial lending, buying naming rights to sports stadiums, 
financing luxury hotels, and building elaborate headquarters. 
My written testimony is filled with examples of these and other 
activities.
    How does a $5.2 million contribution for naming rights to a 
sports arena serve credit union members? If a credit union can 
add the entire State of Washington to its field of membership, 
what has happened to the common bond? If a credit union is 
making business loans to non-members, what does that have to do 
with tax-exempt purpose, and who is indirectly being 
subsidized? In my hometown, the $1.1 billion John Deere 
Community Credit Union is more than five times larger than our 
$200 million community bank. Fueled by its Federal tax-
exemption, the John Deere Community Credit Union competes 
virtually for every one of my customers regardless of their 
income, employment, or need. On the local level--and this is 
what this is about, where all competition plays out--the 
effects can be dramatic to our community bank and others like 
it around the country.
    Credit unions' tax-exemption gives them a significant price 
advantage over tax paying banks that offer essentially the same 
products and services, and it enables credit unions to grow 
much more rapidly. The fact is in more and more communities, 
credit unions are many times larger than the local banks that 
are competing in that market. For example, my bank's average 
agricultural and business loan size is $52,000. John Deere 
Community Credit Union's business loan size is more than twice 
that, and that is still a reasonable amount, and there are 
others in the testimony on page seven that talk about some of 
the more aggressive business lending things going on. The 
Federal Government is subsidizing super competitors against 
nearly 8,000 taxpaying community banks in this country that 
have $500 million or less in assets. There are now 263 credit 
unions with assets of more than $500 million each, and more 
than a hundred credit unions with assets more than a billion 
dollars each. Studies by the Federal Reserve and the GAO show 
banks served more low and moderate income people than credit 
unions. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition has also 
concluded that the average bank is more often the source to 
credit of people of modest means than credit unions.
    The NCRC says most people would be surprised to learn that 
banks are doing a better job of serving low- and moderate-
income people than credit unions. Credit unions argue that 
their tax status exists because they are not-for-profit and 
cooperatively owned. But being a not-for-profit cooperative 
does not justify a tax-exemption. In fact, most cooperative 
member-owned and not-for-profit financial institutions are now 
subject to Federal taxation of some kind. Credit unions enjoy 
the sweetest tax deal of all of them. In contrast, mutual 
insurance companies, mutual savings banks, and mutual savings 
and loan associations lost their tax-exemption years ago. 
Removing their tax-exemption did not diminish their vitality. 
These institutions are healthy, well capitalized, and 
profitable. During the last 5 years, mutual savings banks and 
mutual savings and loans paid $2.9 billion in corporate income 
tax. Just like my bank, they are paying their fair share. This 
cannot be said today for some of the new breed of large and 
aggressive credit unions. These financially sophisticated 
complex credit unions should be required to stay within their 
mission or be taxed and regulated like the rest of us. The 
ability of community banks like First National to compete 
depends on it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Plagge follows:]
  Statement of Jeff L. Plagge, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
    First National Bank of Waverly, Waverly, Iowa, on behalf of the 
                      American Bankers Association
    Mr. Chairman, my name is Jeff Plagge. I am president and CEO of 
First National Bank, a $200 million community bank located in Waverly, 
Iowa. The American Bankers Association (ABA) appreciates the 
opportunity to comment to the Ways and Means Committee on the tax 
exemption of credit unions. Our comments focus on the evolution of 
traditional credit unions serving ``people of small means'' to full 
service, financially sophisticated institutions that compete head-to-
head with tax-paying banks and fail to serve the mission for which they 
have been exempted from all federal taxation.
    ABA on behalf of the more than two million men and women who work 
in the nation's banks, brings together all categories of banking 
institutions to best represent the interests of this rapidly changing 
industry. Its membership--which includes community, regional and money 
center banks and holding companies, as well as savings associations, 
trust companies and savings banks--makes ABA the largest banking trade 
association in the country.
    This statement addresses three central points:
    I. A new breed of credit union has abandoned its mission to serve 
those of small means. In fact, studies show banks are more often a 
source of credit to low- and moderate-income people than are credit 
unions.
    II. Being a non-profit cooperative does not, alone, justify a tax 
exemption. Fairness dictates equal tax and regulatory treatment for 
similarly situated institutions. Yet complex credit unions take 
advantage of their tax-exempt status to unfairly compete with tax-
paying banks, offering virtually indistinguishable products and 
services in the same markets.
    III. Congress has repeatedly recognized that there are limits to 
tax exemptions and has acted to eliminate them for entities that stray 
from their intended public policy goals. Credit unions that have 
abandoned their core mission should be taxed or required to convert to 
bank charters.
I. Complex Credit Unions Outgrow Justification for Tax Subsidy
    Chairman Thomas, as you stated earlier this year, ``Tax-exemption 
is an important benefit and the Congress has a responsibility to 
oversee and assure the American taxpayer that the tax-exempt sector is 
living up to its legal responsibilities.'' We agree. ABA recommends 
that Congress examine credit unions' tax-advantaged status, 
particularly those that have strayed from the original credit union 
mission. While many credit unions remain true to their original 
mission, today a growing number of credit unions have abandoned their 
roots and inappropriately taken advantage of their tax-exempt status.
    Continuing the special tax treatment for institutions that look and 
act like tax-paying banks has public policy consequences. The size of 
the ``tax expenditure'' as the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) 
calls it, is already big--more than a billion dollars per year. And 
basic economics tells us that it will get bigger as tax-favored firms 
take business away from taxpaying firms. Simply put, as these credit 
unions get larger, so does the tax expenditure.\1\
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    \1\ Tax expenditures are defined in the law as ``revenue losses 
attributable to provisions of the federal tax laws which allow a 
special exclusion, exemption, or deduction from gross income or which 
provide a special credit, a preferential rate of tax, or a deferral of 
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    This is not how the credit union movement began. Closely-knit 
groups of people would pool their resources to provide small loans for 
one another. Credit unions were originally created and granted their 
tax exemption to fill a market void that existed in consumer finance in 
the early 20th Century. Few, if any, banks at that time offered 
consumer loans, and consumers, especially people of modest means, had 
few options to obtain credit.
    By 1934, the United States had approximately 2,500 credit unions, 
with 38 states and the District of Columbia offering credit union 
charters. Later that year, a federal credit union charter became 
available. Whether chartered by a state or the federal government, 
membership was limited to people with close bonds because familiarity 
was critical to the ``character'' loans made by credit unions. The 
commonality of interest among members--their common bond--was the 
essence of credit unions. It was the justification for their unique 
place in our financial system.
Who Serves Low- & Moderate-Income Consumers? Increasingly, Not Credit 
        Unions
    Today, an array of options for credit is available for everyone, 
dramatically reducing the justification for granting credit unions 
special treatment. In fact, studies reveal banks serve more low- and 
moderate-income people than credit unions do, despite credit unions' 
supposed focus on ``people of small means,'' as required by the Federal 
Credit Union Act.
    The Federal Reserve's 2001 Survey of Consumer Finances revealed 
that only 36 percent of the households that primarily used credit 
unions had low- and moderate-incomes in contrast to 42 percent of the 
households that primarily used banks. In 2003, the Government 
Accountability Office (GAO) released a report that showed that 64 
percent of households that primarily use a credit union are middle and 
upper income, as compared to 58 percent of households that primarily 
use banks. It also found that banks provided 34 percent of their 
mortgage loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers while credit 
unions issued just 27 percent of their loans to these borrowers in 
2001.
    A recent study conducted by the National Community Reinvestment 
Coalition (NCRC) concluded that banks are more often a source of credit 
to people of modest means than credit unions are. ``In the year 2005, 
after 70 years of federal supervision of credit unions, most people 
would be surprised to learn that banks are doing a better job of 
serving low- and moderate-income people than credit unions,'' the NCRC 
study said.\2\
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    \2\ ``Credit Unions: True to Their Mission?'' NCRC, 2005.
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    Think Federal Credit Union exemplified in its 2003 Annual Report 
how credit unions' focus has changed when it stated: ``Yesterday our 
challenge was to provide financial services to members who could not 
get services elsewhere. Today our challenge is to provide financial 
services to members who can get services anywhere.''
    Instead of focusing their resources on people of modest means, 
today a new breed of institution that bears little resemblance to a 
traditional credit union is capitalizing on its tax-exempt status to 
offer products and services far beyond any meaningful common bond. 
There are now more than 100 credit unions each with assets greater than 
$1 billion. There are 263 credit unions with assets of more than $500 
million each.
    In nearly half the states in this country, a credit union would 
rank among the top ten banks in terms of size. As Gene Portias, 
president of the Credit Union Association of Oregon, stated: ``In a lot 
of places, credit unions are the major financial institution.'' \3\ 
Complex, aggressive institutions increasingly dominate the industry, 
yet still try to hide behind the veil of a ``traditional'' credit 
union.
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    \3\ ``CUs, Banks Put Up Dueling Bills in Oregon,'' American Banker, 
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    The credit unions' own surveys suggest that their image of serving 
moderate- and lower-income people is no longer valid. The profile of 
the average credit union member today--higher than average income, 
better educated, and more likely to be in a professional occupation 
than his or her non-member counterpart--is not one typically associated 
with people needing taxpayer-supported financial services. According to 
a recent demographic survey conducted by the Credit Union National 
Association (CUNA), the average household income of credit union 
members is 20 percent higher than nonmembers--$55,120 versus 
$45,790.\4\
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    The fact is that bank customers are more likely to be from low- and 
moderate-income households than are credit union customers--yet credit 
unions continue to enjoy the tax expenditure purportedly because they 
serve people of modest means. As Bruce Shawkey of Credit Union 
Management magazine stated, ``. . . [C]redit unions' `bread and butter' 
members are middle-aged white males with mid- to-upper-incomes.''
    Even credit union executives are disturbed that credit unions have 
strayed so far from their original mandate to serve people of small 
means. Citing CUNA's numbers on the average household income of members 
served by credit unions, Armando Cavazos, president of Credit Union One 
in Ferndale, Michigan, said, ``We should almost feel guilty about 
serving people of affluence.'' \5\
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    \5\ ``How to Head Off Coming Under CRA Dominates Debate at CUNA 
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    Jim Blaine, CEO of State Employees CU in Raleigh, NC, conceded, 
``Maybe we've gotten so sophisticated we don't want to get our hands 
dirty with poor folks any more. That's what we were created to do, and 
sometimes I think we're forgetting that.'' \6\
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    \6\ ``Are Credit Unions Dodging Their Responsibilities? One CEO 
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    And, Ed Gallagly, president/CEO of Central Florida Credit Union, 
says, ``There's no question that subconsciously--and even consciously--
some credit unions are trying to run-off unprofitable members. I hate 
to use that term run-off but that's what's happening.'' \7\
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    \7\ ``Are Members Really Leaving Credit Unions? CEOs Offer Their 
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Credit Union Subsidy is Used Inappropriately
    As morphed credit unions stretch their fields of membership across 
ever-larger geographic areas and venture into new business activities, 
is the tax benefit being passed on fully to credit union members? In 
more and more cases, the answer is no.
    In some cases, it is going to build elaborate corporate 
headquarters like Golden 1 Credit Union's new 200,000 square foot 
headquarters in Rosemont, California, costing more than $30 million and 
GTE Federal Credit Union's new 125,000 square-foot headquarters located 
on a 12.5 acre campus in Tampa, at a cost of about $22 million. And 
Digital Credit Union in Massachusetts paid $5.2 million for the naming 
rights for an arena in Worcester (MA) in 2004 and University FCU in 
Texas is contributing $13.1 million to the renovation of the University 
of Texas's baseball stadium in exchange for naming rights. Is this an 
appropriate use of the credit union tax exemption?
    Communities are not being served, either. Credit unions, unlike 
banks, are not required to meet the obligations set forth in the 
Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). In a study of Virginia credit unions, 
professors Murphy and O'Toole found that ``banks and savings 
institutions in Virginia are putting a greater percentage (88 percent) 
of their deposits back into the community in the form of loans than are 
credit unions (76.3 percent). In other words, tax treatment of credit 
unions has not resulted in a higher proportion of loans going to meet 
the needs of the communities they serve.'' \8\
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Business Lending--Extending Tax-Subsidized Services to Commercial 
        Entities
    In addition to serving a wealthier customer base, the new breed of 
credit unions is looking for profitable opportunities in commercial 
lending, thus further extending the tax exemption beyond its original 
purpose. Business lending by credit unions grew by almost 50 percent in 
2004. More than 420 credit unions have at least 5 percent of their 
total loans in business loans and almost 240 have at least 10 percent 
of their loan portfolio in business loans. Nearly 250 credit unions are 
designated guaranteed lenders by the Small Business Administration 
(SBA), and more than 300 credit unions have either purchased or 
participated in business loans made to non-members. Should members' 
savings fund business loans to non-members?
    ``Successfully banking the small-business owner is one of the keys 
to increased credit union profitability,'' the Credit Union Executive 
Society noted. And many credit unions are following this course to 
boost profits. Jean Faenza, EVP for Telesis Community CU, describing 
her credit union's pursuit of business owners, stated: ``Remember, 
every business owner is a consumer who has other accounts . . . small 
business are employers. We're greedy--we want all of those accounts.'' 
\9\
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    \9\ ``Show of Hands Indicates CU Interest in Biz Lending,'' Credit 
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    Lending by credit unions is big business. For example:

      Less than one year after commencing operations, CU 
Business Group, LLC said it had processed more than $50 million in 
business loans--with the average-sized loan worth more than $600,000. 
Larry Middleman, CU Business Group's President/CEO, noted that the 
``[l]oan packages are much larger than we anticipated.'' \10\
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      The average business loan outstanding at Florida's Vystar 
Credit Union is $463,000; at California's Telesis Community Credit 
Union, it is $693,100.
      Coastal Federal Credit Union with $1.5 billion in assets 
has ventured into complex commercial real estate transactions where the 
average size loan exceeds $4 million.\11\
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      Texans CU has approximately $382 million in business 
loans on its book and funded Prism Hotel's acquisition and construction 
financing of the 280-room Radisson Memphis Hotel in Tennessee.\12\
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    \12\ ``Texans CU's Business CUSO Taking Off; Loans Range from 
Multi-Million to Just Thousands,'' Credit Union Times, February 2, 
2005, pp. 1, 36.
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      Spokane Teachers CU financed a $3 million renovation of 
the Montvale Hotel, a luxury hotel in Spokane, Washington.

    These are all loans for which a bank would likely compete. It is 
inappropriate that credit unions leverage their tax subsidy to compete 
unfairly head-to-head with tax-paying banks and become ``super 
competitors.'' It also begs the question of who is indirectly 
subsidized by the credit unions tax exemption: Luxury hotels and 
commercial real estate developers? Is this what Congress intended?
Subsidizing a ``Super Competitor'' That Preys on Community Banks & 
        Small Credit Unions
    Although the credit union industry argues that the issue of credit 
union competition is about big banks against little credit unions, it 
is really about the billion dollar credit unions ``fueled by their 
federal tax subsidy'' against the community banks in this country. 
Competition in financial services occurs on the local level. The fact 
that the banking industry as a whole is much larger than the credit 
union industry has no bearing on head-to-head competition in the local 
market.
    There are nearly 8,000 community banks in this country with assets 
of less than $500 million each. The credit union tax exemption 
adversely affects these tax-paying banks. It gives credit unions a 
significant price advantage over tax-paying banks that offer the same 
products and services and enables credit unions to grow much more 
rapidly.
    The fact is that in more and more communities, it is the credit 
union that is many times larger than the local banks. This trend 
facilitates a market share shift from tax-paying institutions to tax-
exempt credit unions. For example:

      In North Carolina, State Employees Credit Union (SECU), 
which has assets of over $12.7 billion and 185 branch locations and 860 
ATMs, competes directly with almost one hundred community banks, but is 
44 times larger than the average-sized community bank.
      The Credit Union of Texas, with $1.6 billion in assets, 
is almost seven times larger than the 17 community banks it competes 
with in its market.
      Visions FCU with $1.6 billion in assets boasts that it 
was the largest mortgage lender in Broome County (NY) for 2003.
      Some aggressive credit unions are now so large that they 
dominate the deposit market in their areas, competing head-to-head with 
large and small banks alike. For example:
      With $2.9 billion in assets, Vystar Credit Union in 
Northeast Florida dominates its market area with more deposits in the 
region than First Alliance, Wachovia and Bank of America combined.
      With $5.6 billion in assets, Boeing Employees' Credit 
Union in Washington State dominates its market area with more deposits 
there than Washington Mutual and Bank of America combined.
      With $1.8 billion in assets, ENT Federal Credit Union in 
Colorado dominates its market area with more deposits in the region 
than Wells Fargo and World Savings Bank combined.

    It is obvious that the tax subsidy provides credit unions a very 
large pricing advantage. For example, professors Murphy and O'Toole 
found that ``. . . credit unions are enabled to offer a 67 basis point 
advantage in loan pricing and deposit pricing over banks as a direct 
result of the fact that credit unions do not pay state or federal 
taxes. In a highly competitive industry, the 67 basis point government 
subsidy is substantial.'' \13\
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    And the competition is not just banks versus credit unions, but 
also morphed credit unions against traditional credit unions. Lorraine 
Ratoni, CEO of Sacramento County Grange Credit Union noted: ``We're 
losing members to larger credit unions. We're having a harder and 
harder time competing.'' \14\ Again, who does Congress intend to 
subsidize?
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    \14\ ``Friendly Foes: Once Allies, Credit Unions Now Compete for 
Customers,'' by Barbara Marquand, Sacramento Business Journal, May 24, 
1999.
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    Laura Bruce, writing for Bankrate.com, states, ``To say credit 
unions don't compete with one another or with banks just doesn't ring 
true anymore. There's competition. Some of it's for sheer survival; 
some of it's for market share. Not all credit unions have jumped into 
the fray. Some employment or organization-based credit unions may have 
a very successful niche and be able to stay small and survive, maybe 
even thrive--but they're part of a shrinking minority.'' \15\
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    \15\ ``The Changing Face of Credit Unions'' By Laura Bruce, 
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Policies Fuel Credit Union Consolidation and Unlimited Growth
    While credit unions have grown to serve wealthy customers and offer 
commercial loans, NCUA continues to expand their tax subsidy without 
restraint. Through pro forma approvals of multiple common bonds, rapid 
approvals of community charters beyond any reasonable definition of 
``local,'' and liberal interpretations facilitating expansion of 
business lending and other service offerings, NCUA has fueled the 
evolution towards larger, more complex credit unions. Today, a single 
credit union can serve thousands of unrelated groups, or huge 
geographic areas with millions of people. This is not what Congress 
intended.
    Mergers and acquisitions have also played an important role in the 
expansion of many large credit unions. The result is fewer, but larger, 
credit unions. Since 2000, the credit union industry has consolidated 
at twice the rate of the banking industry. Over the last 4 years, 
nearly 1,100 small credit unions have disappeared.\16\
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    Community charters are the fastest expanding segment of the credit 
union industry. Federal law permits a credit union to serve anyone in a 
``well-defined, local community, neighborhood or rural district.'' \17\ 
In fact, the number of federal credit unions with community charters 
has more than doubled from 464 in 1999 to 1,051 as of year-end 2004.
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    The use of the term ``community'' has reached absurd proportions. 
NCUA and various state regulators have approved community expansions 
that include some of the largest cities in the country, entire 
Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs), multiple counties across state 
lines and even entire states as part of a credit union's field of 
membership. The result, according to GAO, is that the average size of a 
community charter approved by NCUA jumped almost three-fold from a 
population of 134,000 people in 1999 to 357,000 in 2003.\18\ And this 
growth occurred in spite of NCUA's acknowledgment that when Congress, 
in 1998 legislation, added the requirement that community credit unions 
be ``local,'' it intended to limit the size of such credit unions.
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    As Scott Waite, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer 
of the $3 billion-plus Patelco Credit Union, said on the credit union's 
expansive community charter in Northern California: ``[I]f you walk 
past our front door, you can join.'' \19\
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    A few of the many other examples that illustrate just how far the 
definition of ``local community'' has gone include:

      NCUA approved a community charter application for LA 
Financial CU to serve the 10 million plus residents of Los Angeles 
County--larger than the population in 42 states and a geographic area 
equivalent in size to the states of Rhodes Island and Delaware 
combined.
      Wescom Credit Union's field of membership includes the 16 
million people living in Los Angeles, Ventura, Orange, Riverside, and 
San Bernardino Counties.
      In 1999 and 2000, Meriwest Credit Union added the three 
million residents of Alameda and Santa Clara Counties and expanded its 
reach into Contra Costa and San Mateo Counties with a combined 
population of 1.7 million, and into the City and County of San 
Francisco--representing another 750,000 people.
      Boeing Employees CU in Washington State amended its field 
of membership to include the whole state of Washington.

    To evade field of membership limitations, credit unions have been 
forming charitable foundations. Anyone who makes a donation to the 
foundation is eligible to join the credit union. For example, $2.1 
billion GTE FCU advertises on its website: ``You can join GTE FCU even 
if you are not eligible for membership through your employer or a 
family member. GTE FCU sponsors a non-profit educational financial 
club, CUSavers.''
    And some credit unions do not even go through the pretense of 
having a common bond. As Greenwood CU in Rhodes Island states, 
``membership . . . is open to all responsible people who want to be a 
member.''
II. Being a Not-for-Profit Cooperative Does Not Justify the Tax 
        Exemption
    Since morphed credit unions no longer embody the traditional 
characteristics that justify continuing their tax exemption, they have 
been forced to offer a new justification. According to Dick Ensweiler, 
Chairman of the Credit Union National Association, ``Credit unions have 
the tax status that they do because they are not-for-profit, 
cooperatively owned, democratically governed, and generally led by 
volunteers from among the membership.'' \20\
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    But being a not-for-profit cooperative does not justify being tax 
exempt.
    In fact, most financial institutions that had traditionally been 
described as ``cooperative, member-owned and not-for-profit'' are now 
subject to federal taxation. Those institutions include mutual 
insurance companies, mutual savings banks, and mutual savings and loan 
associations. Each of these financial institutions lost their tax 
exemption years ago--mutual insurance companies in 1942, and mutual 
savings banks and mutual S&Ls in 1951. Why?
    In the 1951 decision, Congress determined that:

      These cooperative and mutual institutions were in 
``active competition'' with taxable institutions and continuing their 
tax exemption would be ``discriminatory;'' and,
      They had evolved into institutions whose ``investing 
members are becoming simply depositors, while borrowing members find 
dealing with a savings and loan association only technically different 
from dealing with other mortgage lending institutions in which the 
lending group is distinct from the borrowing group.'' \21\
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    Thus, Congress determined that mutuality alone was not sufficient 
to continue the tax exemption for these institutions. This conclusion 
is particularly telling because of the similarities between mutual 
savings institutions and credit unions, as noted by the U.S. Treasury 
Department: ``Mutual thrifts are the federally insured depository 
institutions most similar in structure to credit unions, because like 
credit unions, mutual thrifts generally do not have corporate stock, 
are not-for-profit entities, and are owned by their depositors, or 
members, rather than by shareholders.''\22\
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    In fact, in a letter to the editor appearing in the September 28, 
2005 edition of the Credit Union Times, Ralph Leas, president and CEO 
of Golden Bay FCU writes, ``I have long believed that the original 
logic of a credit union tax exemption has expired and that credit 
unions, like other business cooperatives in the United States, should 
pay their fair share.''
    The tax preference originally provided to credit unions was a way 
to subsidize financial services for individuals with low and moderate 
income. Many traditional credit unions still dedicate themselves to 
this purpose. But the metamorphosis to healthy and sophisticated credit 
unions shows how quickly this goal can be abandoned.
    If the tax exemption is no longer conditioned upon the policy goal 
of serving low- and moderate-income individuals and offering a limited 
menu of products and services, the special tax treatment for morphed 
credit unions cannot be justified
III. Congress Has Acted to Limit Tax Exemptions
    Financial entities that have retained their tax-exempt status are 
generally subject to limitations that restrict either their size or the 
breadth of their membership. Moreover, their tax-exempt status remains 
based on narrowly crafted congressional directives relating to the 
service of niche markets or to achieving limited policy goals. With the 
erosion of both the common bond and the easing of limits on credit 
union products and services, credit unions' are free to stray from 
their original mission.
    The question of where the line should be drawn to control the 
taxpayer expenditure needs to be answered. Every expansion of a morphed 
credit union expands the tax expenditure. OMB estimates that the credit 
union ``tax expenditure'' will exceed $7.5 billion \23\ over the next 
five years, and this figure does not take into account additional lost 
state tax revenue. And most of the tax subsidy goes to the most 
aggressive credit unions--those that are least likely to embrace 
traditional credit union principles. In fact, the largest 100 credit 
unions absorb 40 percent of the tax expenditure--quite a contrast with 
the 29 percent of just 6 years ago.
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    This is a substantial subsidy and, with inadequate restraints, it 
will grow rapidly. Basic economics tells us what happens when a tax-
exempt firm and a taxpaying firm offer the same products: the tax-
exempt firm grows at the expense of the taxpaying firm. As business 
flows to the tax-exempt firms and away from taxpaying institutions, the 
size of the tax expenditure will grow. The public deserves a thorough 
review to assure that the tax expenditures are being appropriately 
spent and not disadvantaging competing businesses that carry out the 
same activities on which they pay taxes or fueling abandonment of the 
mission for which the exemption was created.
    As mutual insurance companies and mutual savings banks became 
similar to, in the words of the Congressional Budget Office, ``profit-
seeking corporations'', Congress eliminated their tax exemption.\24\ In 
the Revenue Act of 1942, Congress made mutual insurance companies with 
annual gross receipts in excess of $75,000 subject to federal income 
tax. This change was made to restrict the exemption to smaller 
institutions deserving of the class exemption. Since that time, the 
threshold for eligibility for this exemption has been changed to annual 
net written premiums not exceeding $350,000.
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Conclusion & Recommendation for Change
    Congress needs to ask: ``At what point do large, diversified credit 
unions cease to be the type of institutions the Congress envisioned to 
be worthy of a tax exemption?''  Complex credit unions, which have 
evolved into full-service financial institutions serving the general 
public, are a far cry from the small, traditional credit unions that 
served distinct groups of ``people of small means'' that Congress 
sought to assist when it provided tax subsidies to credit unions in the 
1930's.
    These credit unions are very different from the many credit unions 
that have remained true to the spirit of the original credit union 
charter. Credit unions that are indistinguishable from tax-paying 
banking institutions no longer deserve their tax exemption and should 
be required to pay taxes or to convert to a bank charter.
    One possible tax model currently applies to most cooperatives 
organized for economic purposes (as opposed to charitable or limited 
purposes), i.e., Subchapter T of the Internal Revenue Code. Members, or 
``patrons'' would be responsible for paying taxes on earnings (i.e., 
interest on deposits) passed through to them (at their individual tax 
rate). Retained earnings--which do not benefit individual members--
would be taxed at the general corporate rate. Under this approach, 
credit unions could continue to pass on their financial profits to 
their members, either through higher interest rates on deposits or 
through lower interest rates on loans. Their tax-advantaged growth, 
however, would be eliminated. At a minimum, Congress needs to curb the 
ability of credit union regulators to expand the size of the subsidy at 
the taxpayers' expense.
    Removing the tax exemption for mutual savings institutions and 
mutual insurance companies did not diminish their vitality. These 
institutions are healthy, well-capitalized, and profitable. During the 
last five years, mutual savings banks and mutual savings and loans paid 
$2.9 billion in corporate income taxes. Just like my bank, they pay 
their fair share. The same cannot be said for today's new breed of 
credit unions.
    Thank you.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. Mr. Hayes?

  STATEMENT OF DAVID E. HAYES, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
  OFFICER, SECURITY BANK, DYERSBURG, TENNESSEE, AND CHAIRMAN, 
            INDEPENDENT COMMUNITY BANKERS OF AMERICA

    Mr. HAYES. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, my 
name is David Hayes. I am President of Security Bank in 
Dyersburg, Tennessee, and the Chairman of the Independent 
Community Bankers of America. I am pleased to appear today on 
behalf of the ICBA and its nearly 5,000-member community banks 
throughout this great country. My bank has $135 million in 
assets. I have 70 employees, and I live in a community 19,000 
people, located in rural west Tennessee. The ICBA believes this 
hearing will help foster a better understanding of the genuine 
concerns and frustrations community banks often have as they 
work in their local communities, pay their fair share of taxes, 
and compete head on with credit unions. The credit union sector 
often states that they represent only a small portion of the 
entire financial service industry. However, an important 
distinction is that most often tax-exempt credit unions compete 
head on with taxpaying community banks of similar size. 
Research finds that the largest overlap in terms of competition 
in size is in the $10 million to $100 million asset size class, 
which includes about half of all banks and about 40 percent of 
all credit unions. In this class, banks and credit unions 
primarily compete with each other and not with the largest 
banks or credit unions.
    Unfortunately, the dramatic tax burden difference between 
these taxpaying banks and tax-exempt credit unions places 
community banks at a severe competitive disadvantage. Congress 
originally allowed credit unions tax and regulatory advantages 
in the thirties for the purpose of helping serve people of 
modest means and with a common bond. But today, the notion of 
modest means and common bond is lost. For example, the local 
credit union in my community promotes that anyone who lives, 
worships, attends schools, or business or other legal entities 
and their families are eligible customers. Today, credit unions 
have more than 87 million customers, reaching the wealthy and 
the middle-income classes. In fact, there are more than one 
hundred billion dollar credit unions providing sophisticated 
banking services. Consequently, today, the $680 billion credit 
union industry is quite similar to any other financial service 
provider except for their special regulatory treatment and tax 
subsidy. Because of their rapid expansion, the credit union tax 
subsidy will cost an estimated $31 billion in lost Federal 
revenue over the next decade, according to the Tax Foundation.
    Credit unions often cite that they deserve tax-exempt 
status because of their mutual ownership structure. However, 
mutual structures can be taxed and are, in fact, taxed. In 
1951, Congress eliminated the tax-exemption for savings and 
loan and mutual savings banks on the grounds that they were no 
longer unique from other taxpaying financial institutions. 
Perhaps most troublesome is the failure of the credit union 
industry to provide any unique service to individuals of modest 
means despite their large tax subsidy. A growing body of 
research shows how banks consistently exceed credit union 
performance in lending to women, minorities, and low- and 
moderate-income borrowers in communities. Ironically, little of 
credit unions' tax subsidy is passed to their members. The Tax 
Foundation research shows that a huge portion of the credit 
union earnings are retained and used for expansion. Only six of 
50 basis points may go to credit union borrowers through lower 
interest costs. While more and more research shows credit 
unions are not providing any special services to the people of 
modest means, the credit union industry has embarked on 
expanding its business lending. It is doubtful that Congress in 
passing the Federal Credit Union Act 1934 envisioned credit 
unions making commercial loans. Yet, credit unions continue to 
advance measures to skirt their legal business lending cap.
    As long as credit unions are tax-exempt, the ICBA will 
oppose expanding credit union powers, such as H.R. 2317. In 
conclusion, the credit union industry is similar to other 
taxpaying banks serving the same customer base. Notably, the 
Tax Foundation credit union research concluded that today the 
principal justification for tax-exemption would seem to be that 
it already exists. Over the past decade, Security Bank has paid 
more than $4.2 million in Federal income taxes alone, and we 
proudly support our local community. During that same period of 
time, Security Bank has committed over a million dollars to 
fund scholarships at local community colleges, while tax-exempt 
credit unions have done very little. When asked to contribute 
for civic needs, the response typically is we can't because 
we're not-for-profit. Community banks pay their taxes and serve 
their communities. We urge the Committee to consider policies 
that would help create greater parity between tax-exempt credit 
unions and taxpaying community banks. Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Hayes follows:]
  Statement of David E. Hayes, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
    Security Bank, Dyersburg, Tennessee, and Chairman, Independent 
                      Community Bankers of America
    Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Rangel, and members of the committee, 
my name is David Hayes, Chairman of the Independent Community Bankers 
of America (ICBA) \1\ and President and CEO of Security Bank, a $135 
million community bank in Dyersburg, Tennessee. I am pleased to appear 
today on behalf of ICBA and its nearly 5,000 members nationwide to 
testify on the ``Review of the Credit Union Tax Exemption.''
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    \1\ The Independent Community Bankers of America represents the 
largest constituency of community banks of all sizes and charter types 
in the nation, and is dedicated exclusively to representing the 
interests of the community banking industry. Founded in 1930, ICBA is 
celebrating its 75th anniversary year. For more information, visit 
ICBA's website at www.icba.org.
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    The ICBA commends Chairman Bill Thomas and the Committee members 
for undertaking this important hearing and for examining the current 
tax treatment of the credit union sector. We hope that this hearing 
helps foster a better understanding of the concerns and frustrations 
community banks often have as they try to best serve their local 
communities and compete head-on with tax-exempt credit unions.
    Credit Union Tax Exemption Warrants ReassessmentThe origins of the 
credit union industry's current tax exemption reach back to the Great 
Depression, a time when basic financial services were extremely limited 
for low- and moderate-income Americans. Congress originally allowed 
credit unions generous tax and regulatory advantages in the 1930s for 
the purpose of helping serve individuals of modest means. Individual 
credit unions were largely limited to serving individuals sharing a 
common bond--in most cases, the same employer or occupation. While the 
credit union tax subsidy has continued for seven decades, today's 
modern financial services industry is robust, highly competitive, and 
offers a plethora of products and services readily available to all 
consumers.
    Over the decades, the tax-exempt credit union industry has changed 
dramatically too. Credit unions have expanded aggressively in size and 
scope. The tax-exempt credit union industry has been growing even 
faster than commercial banks. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of 
Kansas City's research, credit union growth is on a steady upward climb 
with accelerated growth beginning in 2000.\2\ Between 1994 and 2004, 
credit union annual asset and deposit growth exceeded that of 
commercial banks in the United States. Commercial banks witnessed 7.7% 
annual asset growth and 6.9% annual deposit growth during 1994 to 2004 
while credit unions experienced 8.4% annual asset growth and 8.1% 
deposit growth during that same decade.\3\
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    \2\ Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Financial Industry 
Perspectives, July 2005.
    \3\ Ibid. p.6.
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    Today, credit unions have a broad customer base of more than 87 
million customers, reaching the wealthy and middle-income classes and 
they offer the full range of financial products and services. In fact, 
credit unions are even expanding a large and growing commercial lending 
business.
    Consequently, today's $680 billion credit union industry has become 
quite similar to any other financial service provider, except for their 
special regulatory treatment and tax subsidy. As our Nation struggles 
with its fiscal policy demands and strives to make our tax system more 
fair and equitable, it is important for lawmakers to assess ways to 
create greater parity between tax-exempt credit unions and competing 
taxpaying entities.
    Congress Made Other Tax-Exempt Financial Service Providers 
TaxableCredit unions often cite that they deserve tax-exempt status 
because of their ``mutual'' ownership structure. However, mutual 
structures can be taxed--and in fact they are. For example, Congress 
did impose taxes on mutual savings banks and mutual insurance 
companies. Today, all mutual thrifts pay federal taxes at the same rate 
as other for-profit companies. The savings and loan associations and 
mutual savings banks were not subject to the federal income tax until 
1951. By 1951, Congress recognized the services of the thrifts and 
their customer base evolved so they were not much different from other 
financial service providers. The equitable policy solution was to 
include thrifts in the tax base and Congress eliminated their tax 
subsidy on the grounds they were similar to competing taxpaying 
corporations.
    Likewise, today's tax-exempt credit unions have grown to resemble 
other competing financial service providers which calls into question 
the ongoing policy justification for the credit union tax subsidy. 
Credit unions can offer their more than 80 million customers mortgages, 
car loans, small business loans, credit cards, individual retirement 
accounts, brokerage services, and commercial loans. From the modest 
origins of the 1930s, today's tax-exempt credit union industry has 
dramatically changed to support the same broad customer base, and to 
provide the same range of services as taxpaying financial institutions. 
An equitable tax system would impose the same tax treatment on the same 
economic actions and transactions. Yet community banks face a greater 
tax and regulatory burden than tax exempt credit unions while they 
serve the same customer base.
Not Your Grandfather's Credit Union
    Today there are one hundred credit unions with $1 billion or more 
in assets providing sophisticated banking products and services to 
wealthy and middle-income members while benefiting from tax-exempt 
status. Another noteworthy aspect of today's tax-exempt credit union 
industry is that corporate credit unions have been set up to provide 
the same sophisticated wholesale services as taxpaying correspondent 
banks. For example, U.S. Central Credit Union in Lenexa, Kansas holds 
more than $35 billion in assets and is owned by 72 member credit unions 
and has over $700 million in annual revenue. Today there are more than 
30 corporate credit unions with over $110 billion in combined assets 
providing specialized and sophisticated banking services for credit 
unions.
No Common Bond
    Today's credit unions have virtually no limit to their customer 
base as the ``common bond'' requirement has become meaningless. Take 
for example the recent credit union charter approval for the Los 
Angeles Financial Credit Union to serve: ``Anyone who lives, worships, 
works in, or attends school in Los Angeles County.'' This encompasses a 
county of more than 10 million people and a geographic area larger than 
the states of Delaware and Rhode Island combined.
    Similarly, the NCUA justified the expansion of the $1.6 billion 
Bethpage Federal Credit Union by saying that the 2.5 million people in 
its field of membership ``interact by traveling along common roadways, 
receiving news from common media outlets, and shopping at common trade 
centers.'' One community credit union in Utah encompasses six 
counties--an area larger than the state of Maryland. The ICBA believes 
that these field of membership expansions undermine any concept of the 
common bond, rendering it meaningless and removing a key policy tenet 
underlying the purpose for any credit union tax-exempt advantage. The 
87 million credit union customers are indistinguishable from the 
customers of community banks and thrifts.
Tax Exempt Credit Unions Not Serving Special Purpose
    What is the ongoing policy justification for the credit unions' tax 
subsidy? Is the $680 billion credit union industry serving a unique 
purpose not met by other financial service providers? A large and 
growing body of research from the Congressional Budget Office, the 
General Accountability Office, the Woodstock Institute, the Tax 
Foundation and other research groups indicates that there is little or 
no evidence that today's tax-exempt credit unions are better serving 
the moderate and low-income individuals their tax-exempt status was 
intended to foster.
    A recent Tax Foundation study concluded that the credit union tax 
subsidy has largely failed to deliver financial services to low-income 
people.\4\ A 2005 study by the National Community Reinvestment 
Coalition determined that banks actually do a better job of fulfilling 
the credit unions' mission than the credit unions. This study 
highlighted how banks ``consistently exceed credit unions' performance 
in lending to women, minorities, and low and moderate-income borrowers 
and communities.'' \5\ A 2003 Government Accountability Office Study 
found that credit unions serve a more affluent clientele than banks. 
This GAO study concluded that ``credit unions overall served a lower 
percentage of households of modest means than banks.'' \6\
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    \4\ ``Competitive Advantage: A Study of the Federal Tax Exemption 
for Credit Unions,'' by Professor John A. Tatom, Ph.D. Tax Foundation, 
2005. www.taxfoundation.org
    \5\ ``Credit Unions: True to Their Mission?'' National Community 
Reinvestment Coalition, May 2005. www.ncrc.org
    \6\ General Accounting Office. ``Credit Unions: Financial Condition 
Has Improved, but Opportunities Exist to Enhance Oversight and Share 
Insurance Management.'' October 2003.
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    Another study by the Woodstock Institute concluded that credit 
unions serve a higher percentage of middle- and upper-income customers 
than lower-income households.\7\ Similarly, a study by the Virginia 
Commonwealth University concluded that credit unions tend to serve a 
higher proportion of wealthier households in their customer base.\8\
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    \7\ Woodstock Institute. ``Rhetoric and Reality: An Analysis of 
Mainstream Credit Unions' Record of Serving Low-Income People. February 
2002.
    \8\ School of Business, Virginia Commonwealth University. A Study 
on the Comparative Growth of Banks and Credit Unions in Virginia: 1985-
1995.'' August 1997.
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    Additionally, a recent Congressional Research Service report added 
that through credit union service organizations, ``credit unions may 
provide their members with panoply of sophisticated financial services 
and products that rivals the offerings of banks and thrifts.'' The CRS 
report notes that ``over the past 30 years, most of the distinctions 
between credit unions and other depository institutions have been 
eliminated or reduced because of deregulation; consequently, the 
justification for the tax exemption for credit unions has been 
increasingly questioned.'' \9\ Simply stated, more and more studies are 
piling up showing that today's credit unions are not serving any unique 
purpose.
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    \9\ Congressional Research Service. ``Should Credit Unions be 
Taxed?'' August 2005.
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Credit Unions Expand into Commercial Lending
    While new research continues to show credit unions are not 
providing any special services to low- and moderate-income individuals, 
the credit union industry has greatly expanded its business and 
commercial lending. The credit unions recently sought and won 
regulatory approval to increase their small business commercial lending 
through the Small Business Administration (SBA). Ironically, Congress 
did not approve SBA business lending for credit unions, however the 
credit union regulator NCUA did. Notably, these SBA loans are not 
subject to the legal 12.25 percent-of-assets business-lending cap 
Congress specifically placed on the credit unions. So credit unions can 
expand their SBA business lending regardless of Congress' intent.
    Credit unions continue aggressive measures to skirt the legal 12.25 
percent business-lending cap, notably with the advancement of the 
``Credit Union Regulatory Improvement Act'' (H.R. 2317) in the 109th 
Congress. This bill would raise the current statutory limit on business 
lending by tax-exempt credit unions to 20 percent of a credit union's 
assets from 12.25 percent, double the size of loans that would be 
excluded from the cap from $50,0000 to $100,000 and exclude certain 
other business loans from any limit.
    As long as credit unions remain exempt from the tax and regulatory 
requirements imposed on community banks, the ICBA strongly opposes the 
expanded credit union powers in H.R. 2317. The bill substantially 
increases the credit unions' commercial lending powers and makes a 
number of statutory changes that are inconsistent with credit unions' 
historic mission and favored tax status. This Ways and Means Committee 
hearing on tax-exempts provides a solid opportunity to assess such 
credit union activities in light of the ongoing special tax treatment 
the credit union industry enjoys.
Commercial Lending Should Be Incidental Service
    The ICBA continues to express concerns about the rapid expansion of 
credit unions into the commercial lending arena, so long as credit 
unions remain tax-exempt. It is doubtful that Congress, in passing the 
Federal Credit Union Act of 1934 for the purpose of helping credit 
unions serve individuals of modest means, envisioned credit unions 
making commercial loans. Indeed, H.R. 1151, the Credit Union Membership 
Access Act (``CUMAA''), which first codified the practice of commercial 
lending, actually imposed a strict limit on credit union business 
loans. The Senate Banking Committee report on this bill stated clearly 
that Congress intended that business lending by credit unions be 
incidental to, and not the main focus of, the services provided to 
their customers. Yet through SBA lending and expanded lending powers, 
credit unions are aggressively expanding into business lending.
Tax-Exempt Credit Unions Compete Directly With Taxpaying Community 
        Banks
    Today, tax-exempt credit unions compete directly against taxpaying 
community banks and continue to expand their financial service power, 
size, and scope. The top federal income tax rate applied to C 
corporation community bank income and S corporation community bank 
income allocated to shareholders is 35%. Additionally, income generated 
by C corporation community banks is subject to double taxation when 
distributed in the form of dividends or capital gains, creating a 
combined tax burden exceeding 57%.
    In sharp contrast, tax-exempt credit unions pay no federal income 
tax yet compete directly with taxpaying community banks. The dramatic 
tax burden differential between taxpaying commercial banks and tax-
exempt credit unions places community banks at a severe competitive 
disadvantage and highlights a specific example of where the tax code is 
extremely unfair.
    The credit union sector often states that they represent only a 
small portion of the entire financial service industry. However, most 
often tax-exempt credit unions compete head on with community banks of 
similar size. The Tax Foundation's credit union study finds that the 
``largest overlap in terms of competition and size is in the $10 to 
$100 million size class, which includes about half of all banks and 30 
to 40 percent of all credit unions. In this class banks and credit 
unions primarily compete with each other and not with the largest banks 
or credit unions.'' \10\
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    \10\ ``Competitive Advantage: A Study of the Federal Tax Exemption 
for Credit Unions,'' by Professor John A. Tatom, Ph.D. Tax Foundation, 
2005. www.taxfoundation.org
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Growing Tax-Exempt Credit Union Industry Responsible for Significant 
        Tax Loss
    The ICBA would like to call to the Committee's attention the most 
recent independent research conducted on the tax cost associated with 
the credit union industry. Notably, the Tax Foundation's 2005 credit 
union study concluded that credit unions have used their tax-subsidized 
status to greatly expand in size and scope. Because of their rapid 
expansion, the Tax Foundation estimated that the credit union tax 
subsidy will cost $31 billion in lost Federal revenue to the U.S. 
Treasury over the next decade.\11\ This study noted how large, multi-
group and geographic-based credit unions have far exceeded their 
original tax-exempt statutory mission and unfairly use their tax-free 
status to compete with taxpaying community banks.
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    \11\ ``Competitive Advantage: A Study of the Federal Tax Exemption 
for Credit Unions,'' by Professor John A. Tatom, Ph.D. Tax Foundation, 
2005. www.taxfoundation.org
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Little of the Credit Union Tax Subsidy Passed Through to Customers
    Other important finding of the independent Tax Foundation's 
research into the tax-exempt credit union industry includes:
    Corroborated by other studies of credit unions and banks, the 
direct and indirect evidence gathered for the Tax Foundation study 
shows that the equity holders of credit unions receive the tax savings 
as unusual returns. These unusual returns do not show up as relatively 
high dividends, however. Instead, they occur as unusually large 
retained earnings accumulated as net worth in their credit unions. The 
stakeholders' extra income reinvested in the credit union provides new 
capital that allows the credit union to grow faster than other 
institutions. Simply stated, rather than return the benefit of the tax 
subsidy to their members, a huge portion of credit union earnings are 
retained and used for expansion.
Only 6 Basis Points of 50 Basis Point Advantage Benefits Credit Union 
        Members
    According to the Tax Foundation's research, of the 50 basis points 
in subsidy that the tax exemption provides, at least 33 basis points 
accrue to owners in the form of larger equity and larger assets. 
Approximately 6 basis points may accrue to credit union borrowers 
through lower interest rates, and not more than 11 basis points are 
absorbed by higher labor costs. There is little or no effect on deposit 
rates or other costs. There appears to be substantial leakage of the 
credit union tax advantage into new expenditures to grow. For example, 
the $2.7 billion Digital Credit Union in Massachusetts recently spent 
$5.2 million to purchase the naming rights for an auditorium now called 
the DCU Center.
Little Justification for Credit Union Tax Exemption
    Today credit unions continue to grow faster than banks, have little 
practical limitations on membership, and make business loans that 
increasingly have no limits on who can borrow, how much or for what 
purpose. More troublesome is the failure of the credit union industry 
to provide any special or unique service to individuals of modest 
means.
    The Tax Foundation research concludes that today the principal 
justification for the tax exemption would seem to be that it already 
exists and, therefore, removing it could adversely impact thousands of 
institutions and their customers. Under current law, as it is being 
enforced, there is no good policy argument based on equity or 
efficiency for maintaining the tax exemption. And these institutions 
and customers are perceived, incorrectly, to be relatively lower income 
or associated with the economic security and progress of lower income 
people.
Tax Reform and Credit Unions
    Policymakers are in the process of examining ways to make our tax 
code fairer and simpler while raising needed revenues. Fiscal 
neutrality and fairness in the Code would require addressing the 
special tax treatment of credit unions. Taxing some financial 
institutions that offer the same consumer deposits and loans while not 
taxing others, in particular credit unions, distorts the allocation of 
resources. It promotes the employment of deposit and credit resources 
in the tax-free credit union sector at the expense of their 
competitors, banks, thrift institutions and finance companies. Notably, 
the Tax Foundation study could not find any net benefit to members that 
could not or would not be available in the absence of tax-subsidized 
credit unions. Credit unions are not compelled by regulators to meet a 
higher standard in the service of low- and moderate-income customers, 
and there is no evidence that they do so voluntarily.
Conclusion
    Credit unions are among the most rapidly growing financial firms in 
the country. Congress eliminated the tax exemptions for savings and 
loans and mutual savings banks decades ago on the grounds that they 
were similar to profit-seeking corporations. Since then, large credit 
unions have come to resemble thrifts and banks. The looser field of 
membership requirements allows credit unions, especially large ones, to 
expand their growth opportunities, reinforcing the competitive 
advantage obtained from their tax advantages.
    Today's $680 billion tax-exempt credit union industry is 
conspicuously similar to other taxpaying financial service providers 
serving the same customer base. There is little or no evidence that 
credit unions are providing any unique or special benefit or service to 
people of modest means--the original impetus for their special tax 
treatment. Therefore, it is important for policymakers to reassess the 
tax-exempt status of the rapidly expanding credit union industry as 
part of any review and oversight of the tax-exempt sector. This Ways 
and Means hearing on the tax-exempt credit union sector is a welcome 
first step.
    Community banks pay their taxes and serve their communities. 
Community banks play a vital role in the U.S. economy as a critical 
source of lending for individuals, small businesses and farms across 
America. The ICBA applauds the Ways and Means Committee for considering 
policies that would help make the tax code more equitable as it is 
applied to tax-exempt credit unions and taxpaying community banks.
    I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to offer our comments for 
this important hearing and to highlight areas where the tax code is 
extremely unfair. The ICBA looks forward to working with the Committee 
and we are encouraged by your ongoing efforts to fairly assess the 
standing of tax-exempt credit union industry.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. Mr. Macomber?

 STATEMENT OF MARK E. MACOMBER, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
OFFICER, LITCHFIELD BANCORP, LITCHFIELD, CONNECTICUT, ON BEHALF 
                 OF AMERICA'S COMMUNITY BANKERS

    Mr. MACOMBER. Thank you, Chairman Thomas. First, I'd like 
to express my gratitude to Congress Nancy Johnson for her kind 
introduction today. Nancy represents our district, our State, 
and our Nation extraordinarily well. Chairman Thomas, Ranking 
Member Rangel, and Members of the Committee. I am Mark 
Macomber. I am President and CEO of the Litchfield Bancorp in 
Litchfield, Connecticut. I am here this afternoon representing 
America's Community Bankers, where I serve as first Vice 
chairman of the board of Directors. I want to thank Chairman 
Thomas for his leadership in reviewing the appropriate 
application of tax-exemptions for cooperative and not-for-
profit organizations and in particular for today's hearing, 
which is addressing the credit union industry. My institution 
is a $180 million state chartered community bank that is part 
of a two-bank mutual holding company. We are one of 765 mutual 
savings institutions that operate throughout the country 
alongside community banks organized as stock companies.
    Today, my remarks will focus on the unfair competitive 
advantages that credit unions have compared to community banks 
like mine. We are facing a looming crisis unless tax policy 
favoring multi-billion dollar credit unions is changed. We urge 
the Committee to create a fair tax system that encourages a 
diversity of community credit providers, offering competitive 
products and paying taxes to support the public needs of our 
Nation. The Nation's mutual savings institutions hold over $250 
billion in assets and paid $800 million in taxes in 2004. 
Mutual institutions have a long and vibrant history and have 
demonstrated an enduring commitment to our communities. Over 35 
percent of mutual institutions have been in existence for 100 
years or more. My own institution was chartered in 1850. Mutual 
institutions are cooperative. They were founded to serve the 
average American. We are a critical part of our local 
community--its life, its culture, and its economic future. We 
have survived depressions and recessions, world wars, and 
natural disasters.
    In 1951, we survived taxation. Despite the revocation of 
our tax-exemption, mutual savings institutions continue to 
experience growth and thrive as pillars in the communities we 
serve. The parallel to the development of mutual savings 
institutions and credit unions is a very close one. In 1951, 
this Committee determined that mutual institutions were mature 
and provided a broad range of banking products and services, 
and, as a result, should become subject to taxation despite 
their cooperative status. I never had the opportunity to meet 
my predecessors from that time, but I am quite sure that they 
didn't like losing their tax-exemption. However, the 
Committee's decision was the right one based on principles, 
principles of equity, fairness, allowing the market to allocate 
resources and generating revenue to support essential functions 
of government. In our written submission, Chairman Johnson 
states that, and I quote this, ``in 1951, Congress found the 
mutual thrifts had essentially lost the essence of their 
mutuality; and, therefore, lost their tax-exemption.''
    Her submission reflects a total lack of understanding of 
mutuality then and now. My own bank lives up to the intent and 
standards of the community service envisioned by its 
incorporators in 1850. She is simply wrong on this count. 
Today, the credit union industry is a $646 billion segment in 
the financial services industry, and is growing rapidly. This 
growth, driven primarily by multi-billion dollar credit unions, 
is increasingly displacing community banking. This trend will 
accelerate unless the Committee takes action. Inaction will 
result in more concentration and less competition driven only 
by tax incentives and not by economic efficiency. The parallels 
between mutual savings banks 50 years ago, including my own 
bank, and today's conglomerate bank-like credit unions cannot 
be ignored. Conglomerate full-service credit unions are 
competing for the same customers and offering the same products 
as community banks. In fact, credit union service 
organizations, CUSOs, as used by Federal Credit Unions, are in 
abuse of their tax-exempt status. Allowing credit unions to 
create new companies that are outright purchase companies is 
not only unfair, but completely unjustifiable and further 
expands their tax-exemption.
    These credit unions offer every conceivable financial 
service, and serving more than most community banks. The range 
of services even includes airplane leasing, and, as the 
Chairman noted, pet insurance. Individual credit unions have 
been granted geographic markets as large as 11,000 square miles 
and so-called fields of membership of over 10 million people. 
This last number, again alluded to--referred to by the 
Chairman, is particularly phenomenal because it means that 
there is one credit union today serving a population greater 
than that of 42 of the 50 States. I say it again because it 
bears repeating. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, 
like mutual savings institutions in 1951, these credit unions 
should be recognized as a mature industry that has a 
responsibility to contribute to essential federally funded 
initiatives. In 1951, Congress concluded that the continuance 
of tax-free treatment for mutual institutions would be 
discriminatory. Clearly, continuing a tax-free treatment for 
bank-like credit unions would be equally discriminatory today. 
Thank you for the opportunity to testify before your Committee 
today. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Macomber follows:]
 Statement of Mark E. Macomber, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
  Litchfield Bancorp, Litchfield, Connecticut, on behalf of America's 
                           Community Bankers
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel and Members of the 
Committee, I am Mark Macomber, President and CEO of Litchfield Bancorp 
in Litchfield, Connecticut. Litchfield Bancorp is a $180 million state 
chartered community bank, part of a two bank mutual holding company. I 
also serve as CEO of the holding company.
    I am here this morning representing America's Community Bankers 
(ACB), where I serve as First Vice Chairman of ACB's Board of 
Directors. I want to thank Chairman Thomas and his staff for their 
leadership in exploring the outdated tax exemption that bank-like 
credit unions continue to enjoy at the detriment of community banks 
across the country, and the impact of foregone revenue on strained 
government finances.
    My testimony is in four parts as follows:

    1) History of Mutual Institutions and their Taxation;
    2) History and Background of Credit Unions;
    3) Taxation & Legislative History of Today's Credit Unions;
    4) Mission of Credit Unions and How They Have Strayed.
The History of Mutual Institutions and their Taxation
    Americans have always been entrepreneurs. Almost 200 years ago, 
when Americans of limited means could not gain access to the commercial 
banking system, neighbors pooled resources to create mutual savings 
institutions. As customers of these institutions, they insisted on 
quality service for themselves and their communities. As stewards, they 
delivered it.
    The contributions of mutual institutions are documented in the 
history of American banking and the histories of the communities that 
have benefited from the mutual institutions tradition of service. For 
nearly two centuries, the nation's mutual institutions have contributed 
to the quality of life in cities and towns across the United States. An 
industry of independent, strongly capitalized and highly efficient 
institutions with a commitment to community service has flourished. 
Individuals of diverse backgrounds have formed businesses that strive 
to address the need for credit and services in communities.
    As the first financial institutions in our country, mutual 
institutions in the United States were founded by individuals, for 
themselves and their neighbors. The doors of commerce that banking 
opened for the well-to-do in the early days of the country were closed 
to average citizens. Mutual institutions stepped into this breach to 
provide high quality consumer and small business banking services to 
the depositors and to the communities they serve. They continue this 
tradition today, and have become a critical part of their local culture 
and community.
    Beginning just 40 years after the Declaration of Independence, 
mutuals were founded to provide banking services and credit access for 
ordinary citizens whom the established banking community ignored. 
Whether state or federally chartered, mutual institutions serve the 
average American regardless of family background, occupation or belief. 
These early mutual institutions did not pay taxes.
    State chartered mutual savings banks, the earliest forms of mutual 
savings institutions, date back to 1816. The first legally sanctioned 
mutual savings bank in the world, The Provident Institution for 
Savings, in Boston, Massachusetts, was patterned after similar 
institutions in England and Scotland. Its founders dedicated the 
institution to providing a ``means of contributing to the welfare of 
the working classes.''
    This was the forerunner of what became the mutual savings bank--one 
of the two mutual savings institution charters that eventually became a 
permanent part of the U.S. banking system. The other--the building and 
loan associations--later evolved into the present savings and loan 
associations. Federal savings and loans associations were first 
chartered in 1933 after the enactment of the Home Owners Loan Act. 
These institutions were chartered with the express purpose of promoting 
and providing homeownership.
    Provident Institution for Savings had as its purpose the 
encouragement of thrift among low- and middle-income persons. One of 
the reasons for the popularity of the new mutual institutions was the 
ease of use--workers could deposit as little as five cents and could 
withdraw the monies as needed.
    About 765 mutual institutions--including mutual holding companies--
hold over $250 billion in assets. Mutual institutions have written and 
hold about $175 billion in loans, and in addition they service about 
$35 billion in mortgage loans that have been sold to the secondary 
mortgage market. Mutual banks have helped millions of families live the 
American dream by writing countless loans for homes, cars, education 
and small businesses, and to help see families through difficult times.
    Mutual institutions demonstrate an adaptability that allows the 
development of new products. Like their stock-owned competitors, they 
grow through internal expansion and by combination with other federally 
insured depository institutions and branch networks. This flexibility 
and adaptability is evidenced by the fact that 263 mutual savings 
institutions operating today have been in existence for 100 or more 
years. These venerable institutions, the oldest of which has operated 
for 185 years, constitute 35 percent of all mutual institutions 
operating today.
    Mutual banks have survived depressions and recessions, world wars, 
natural disasters and taxation because of a distinctive management 
strategy that is focused on the long-term future of the bank and 
community. Directors or trustees have a fiduciary responsibility to 
ensure that their institution meets the highest standards of safety and 
soundness. Mutual managers are free from the short-term focus of 
financial analysts who expect higher earnings every quarter and are 
thus able to look to the long-term needs of their institutions and 
communities.
    Mutual institutions are the perfect role model of community banks 
and the community banking philosophy of putting customers and community 
first. Mutuals are critical participants in the rapidly evolving 
financial services marketplace. We believe that the orientation toward 
community service, local decision-making and stable employment in 
mutual banks are important keys to the continued success of any 
community in which they are located. Mutual institutions have 
demonstrated an adaptability that allows the development of new 
products as well as growth. While mutual institutions have a continuing 
need to be competitive and profitable, they demonstrate a 
responsiveness to community that goes well beyond profits and strives 
to improve the quality of life of their neighborhoods. Managers of 
mutual institutions believe that their charter is well suited to 
support non-profit and other civic enterprises.
    Until 1951, mutual institutions of all types, including mutual 
savings and loans associations, mutual savings banks, and cooperatives, 
were tax-exempt. In 1951, the tax exemption was repealed and these 
entities became subject to the regular corporate income tax on a 
phased-in basis. It was believed that mutual institutions were mature 
enough and were providing a sufficiently broad range of banking 
products and services that they should not retain preferential tax 
treatment.
    In 1959 the Ways and Means Committee described the criteria laid 
down as guidelines for considering such changes in taxation:

    1.  Equity and fairness;
    2.  Progression in the distribution of tax burdens;
    3.  Allowing free play of the market in allocating resources;
    4.  Providing a climate for economic growth;
    5.  Ease of taxpayer compliance and administration of the law.\1\
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    \1\ ``Outline of Study by Committee on Ways and Means of Federal 
Tax Revision,'' Press Release, Committee on Ways and Means, U.S. House 
of Representatives, June 5, 1959.

    Although mutual institutions initially were permitted to defer 
portions of the new tax liabilities by establishing special bad debt 
reserves to encourage the accumulation of reserves, these deferrals 
were progressively eliminated in a series of changes, principally in 
1962 and 1969, and were eliminated entirely in 1986. Despite being 
progressively subjected to full taxation over a period of years, mutual 
institutions have thrived as pillars in the communities they serve.
    Over the past 15 years, the number of mutual institutions has grown 
as a share of all banks. This change has occurred because the 
cooperative structure and community focus of mutual institutions has 
insulated them in part from the ``merger frenzies'' that have sometimes 
gripped markets for publicly traded banks. Today, mutual savings 
institutions are stable, competitive, tax-paying institutions that 
operate under flexible charters conducive to offering a wide range of 
essential banking services to the communities in which they operate. It 
is little wonder that in recent years the memberships of two dozen 
credit unions have chosen to convert to a mutual institution charter.
History and Background of Credit Unions
    Credit Unions can also be state or federally chartered. State 
credit unions were first chartered in the United States in the early 
twentieth century. Federal credit unions are chartered under the 
authority of the federal credit union act, which was enacted in 1934.
    A federal credit union is a tax-exempt, cooperative financial 
institution owned and run by its members. Credit unions enable members 
to save and borrow money. Members pool their funds to make loans to 
one-another. The volunteer board that runs each credit union is elected 
by the members. In 1900, the credit union concept crossed the Atlantic 
to Levis, Quebec. There, Alphonse Desjardins organized a credit union 
to relieve the working class from usurious interest charged by loan 
sharks. In 1909, Desjardins helped a group of Franco-American Catholics 
in Manchester, New Hampshire organize St. Mary's Cooperative Credit 
Association--the first credit union in the United States. An ironic 
footnote--while it remains a credit union today, it recently changed 
its name to St. Mary's Bank. The Massachusetts Credit Union Act became 
law in that same year. The Massachusetts law has served as a basis for 
subsequent state credit union laws and the Federal Credit Union Act. 
Credit unions became increasingly popular in the 1920's. People had 
more money to save and could afford durable goods. However, they needed 
a source of inexpensive credit. Credit unions began growing because 
commercial banks and savings institutions typically did not provide 
consumer credit. In 1920, the Massachusetts Credit Union Association 
began promoting the development of credit unions in that state. Within 
a year, Massachusetts chartered 19 new credit unions. By 1925, 26 
states had passed credit union legislation. By 1930, that number grew 
to 32 states with a total of 1,100 credit unions. In 1934, President 
Roosevelt signed the Federal Credit Union Act into law, authorizing the 
establishment of federally chartered credit unions in all states.The 
purpose of the federal law was ``to make more available to people of 
small means credit for provident purposes through a national system of 
cooperative credit . . .'' A statutory exemption from taxation was not 
provided until 1937. Two reasons were given for granting the exemption: 
1. Taxing credit unions on their shares, much as banks are taxed on 
their capital shares, ``places a disproportionate and excessive burden 
on the credit unions'' because credit union shares function as 
deposits; 2. ``Credit unions are mutual or cooperative organizations 
operated entirely by and for their members. . . .'' Competition in the 
1970s brought major changes in the products and services offered by 
financial institutions. Credit unions did not want to be left out. In 
1977, federal legislation enabled credit unions to offer expanded 
services, including share certificates and mortgage lending. During the 
decade the number of credit union members more than doubled and assets 
in credit unions tripled to over $65 billion. Deregulation, increased 
flexibility in merger and field of membership criteria, and expanded 
member services characterized the 1980s. High interest rates and 
unemployment in the early '80s brought supervisory changes and 
insurance losses. With the Share Insurance Fund near bankruptcy, the 
credit union community called on Congress to approve a plan to 
recapitalize the Fund. In 1985, federally insured credit unions 
recapitalized the NCUSIF on their own by depositing one percent of 
their shares into the Share Insurance Fund. Backed by the ``full faith 
and credit of the United States Government,'' the National Credit Union 
Share Insurance Fund has three ``fail safe'' features: Federal credit 
unions must maintain a one percent deposit in the Fund; Premiums are 
levied by the Board if necessary; and when the equity ratio exceeds 1.3 
percent ($1.30 on deposit for every $100 insured), the Board sends a 
dividend to credit unions. Since the recapitalization, the NCUA Board 
has charged credit unions a premium only once. In 1991, the Fund 
dropped to a 1.23 percent equity level and credit unions were asked to 
pay a premium. Credit union failures declined steadily throughout the 
90's and the Share Insurance Fund grew. Taxation and Legislative 
History of Today's Credit Unions
    The credit union industry is a $646 billion segment of the 
financial services industry that paid $0 in taxes last year. In fact, 
the credit union industry has contributed no tax dollars to our country 
over the past 69 years, creating a competitive inequity that must be 
remedied. By comparison, mutual savings institutions hold less than 40 
percent of the assets currently held by credit unions, but paid $800 
million in taxes, while credit unions pay nothing.
    To gain a better understanding of the need for tax equity among 
financial service providers, it is useful to review the dialogue that 
took place when the tax exemption for savings associations and mutual 
savings banks was repealed in 1951 and when tax deductible reserve 
provisions for these same entities were reviewed ten years later. By 
doing so, it becomes clear that the parallels between savings 
associations and mutual savings banks 50 years ago and the conglomerate 
credit unions of today cannot be ignored.
1951 and 2003: Active Competition With Taxpaying Financial Service 
        Providers
    Today's conglomerate, full-service credit unions are competing for 
the same customers and are offering the same products as community 
banks, large commercial banks, and even brokerage firms. Like the 
savings associations and mutual savings banks of 1951, these 
institutions should be recognized as a mature industry that has a 
responsibility to contribute to the nation's armed forces, educational 
programs, homeland security, transportation system, and other important 
federally funded initiatives.
    Prior to the Revenue Act of 1951, savings and loan associations and 
mutual savings banks were exempt from federal income tax under the 
premise that they were cooperative enterprises that played an important 
role in the national priority of financing residential mortgages, and 
therefore should be exempt from taxation.
    In 1951, Congress indicated that these institutions had grown in 
financial strength to the extent that they should be expected to bear 
their fair share of the tax burdens of the Nation. The Senate Report 
for the Revenue Act of 1951 states:
    Mutual savings banks are in active competition with commercial 
banks and life insurance companies for the public savings, and they 
compete with many types of taxable institutions in the security and 
real estate markets. The continuance of the tax-free treatment now 
accorded mutual savings banks would be discriminatory. So long as they 
are exempt from income tax, mutual savings banks enjoy the advantage of 
being able to finance their growth out of earnings without incurring 
the tax liabilities paid by ordinary corporations when they undertake 
to expand through the use of their own reserves. [Eliminating the 
special treatment] would place mutual savings banks on parity with 
their competitors.\2\
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    \2\ S. REP. 82-781 (1951) reprinted in United States Code 
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    Likewise, today some credit unions have evolved to become 
significant competitors for public banking services. In fact, credit 
unions are more like banks today than savings associations were in 
1951. In 1951 federal mutual savings associations could not offer 
checking accounts and they were only authorized to engage in lending 
activities within their communities, which generally were limited to a 
50-mile radius.
    Today, credit unions offer mortgages, credit cards, business 
checking accounts, debit cards, IRAs, student loans, consumer loans, 
home equity lines of credit, agricultural and commercial loans, money 
market accounts, brokerage services, mutual funds, and insurance 
products. Furthermore, community chartered credit unions have been 
granted fields of membership stretching over 11,000 square miles.\3\ In 
addition, LA Financial has been granted a field of membership 
encompassing all of Los Angeles County and all of its 10.1 million 
people. LA County has a population larger than the population in 42 
states. It encompasses 4,084 square miles.
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    \3\ Tooele Federal Credit Union's community field of membership 
consists of Salt Lake County, Davis County, Weber County, Morgan 
County, and Summit County, and Tooele County Utah. The geographic areas 
of these counties are available at http://quickfacts.census.gov/.
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    Because credit unions offer such a broad range of products and 
because they may offer those services to such a large geographic 
distribution of consumers and businesses, conglomerate credit unions 
are clearly competing with other taxpaying financial services 
enterprises. Large credit unions have matured, and special treatment 
should not continue for that fast growing portion of the credit union 
industry that looks and acts like banks. The words of the 1951 Senate 
Report ring just as true for credit unions today as they did for 
savings associations and mutual savings banks in 1951.
1961 and 2003: Reserves Represent Corporate Income
    Some credit union advocates argue that taxing credit unions 
threatens the safety and soundness of the entire industry. They 
maintain that credit unions would not be able to survive such a tax 
because they are only able to raise capital through retained earnings.
    Like credit unions, mutual savings banks return income earned from 
borrowers to savers after deducting expenses and required allocations 
to reserves. Despite the revocation of their tax exemption, mutual 
savings banks continue to experience growth. Moreover, just as Congress 
determined that the safety and soundness argument was not persuasive in 
the context of expanding the tax on mutual savings banks in 1961, the 
assertion that credit unions cannot withstand any taxation should 
likewise be rejected.
    If the funds going into the corporation's reserve do represent 
corporate income, there would appear to be no reason, from the 
viewpoint of tax policy, for not taxing them. Moreover, other financial 
institutions that compete for the savers' dollars, such as commercial 
banks, do in fact have to depend primarily on surplus built up after 
taxes, rather than on access to the equity capital market, in order to 
obtain the protective capital cushions which all businesses need.\4\
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    \4\ Treasury Department Report of July 1961 on the Taxation of 
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    The rationale for taxing credit unions is solid; the need to tax 
credit unions is pressing; and the motivation for taxing credit unions 
is central to the success of private enterprise. Credit unions have 
matured to a $646 billion industry, and rising federal and state 
deficits confirm the need for fairness. Congress should review the 
government-created competitive disparity between credit unions and 
community banks, particularly those that are mutually organized, and 
should enact legislation that represents sound public policy, is fair 
to all competitors in our banking system, and is fair to the American 
taxpayer.
    Please refer to Appendix I.
Mission of Credit Unions and How They Have Strayed
    Credit unions are not fulfilling their mandate to serve persons of 
modest means.
    Congress chartered credit unions in 1934 to serve persons of modest 
means. In return, credit unions were exempted from taxation. However, 
an October 2003 General Accounting Office (``GAO'') report indicates 
``that credit unions served a slightly lower proportion of low- and 
moderate-income households than banks.'' Similarly, a 1991 GAO report 
found ``no evidence that today's credit union members are for the most 
part of small means.''
    Further, the credit union industry has vehemently opposed efforts 
to require credit unions to engage in special efforts to serve low-
income customers or neighborhoods like banks and savings institutions. 
In fact, in a March 30, 2005 editorial the Credit Union Times, by Mike 
Welch, stated: ``ACB apparently thinks credits unions' first obligation 
is to serve communities in which they operate. Wrong. CUs' number one 
obligation is to serve the changing financial needs of the members who 
own it. Of course, the community will also be served as a by-product.'' 
The comment is self-serving and ignores the substantial federal safety 
net provided to credit unions through the National Credit Union Share 
Insurance Fund, in addition to the substantial tax subsidy under 
discussion today. This would be like a bank saying that serving 
shareholders is sufficient and serving the bank's community is a mere 
afterthought. Credit unions' not-for-profit status is no excuse for an 
exemption from community reinvestment responsibilities. Banks and 
savings institutions have Community Reinvestment Act responsibilities 
regardless of whether they make a profit.
    Field of Membership Expansion. In 1998, the passage of the Credit 
Union Membership Access Act (``CUMAA'') formalized the establishment of 
several types of credit union membership. It specifically identified 
single common-bond credit unions, multiple common-bond credit unions, 
and community credit unions.In so doing, CUMAA encouraged many mid-size 
and large credit unions to dramatically grow their memberships and 
expand into new markets. This is particularly true with credit unions 
that converted to community charters. In some cases, the geographic 
limits of communities were extended to boundaries that not only defied 
the definition of ``community,'' but also defied logic.
    Emboldened by CUMAA, the NCUA has not only allowed, but actually 
encouraged credit unions to abandon their historically well-defined 
groups, such as employees of a specific company, and move on to adopt 
all-encompassing ``community'' charters. On December 10, 2004 a federal 
judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah struck down 
an NCUA decision granting a charter spanning six counties in the state 
of Utah, which would have covered an area larger than the state of 
Maryland. In the decision the judge expressed concern that the NCUA was 
acting ``as a rubber stamp or cheerleader for any application brought 
before it.'' The judge went ever further to criticize the NCUA for 
failing to do due diligence. Judge Dale A. Kimball said that ``If the 
NCUA had conducted a critical analysis of the information provided, it 
should have recognized areas of concern that required further 
discussion.''
    Through such charters, the credit union can serve multiple 
unrelated membership groups under one umbrella, including much of the 
general public over a wide geographic area. Recent changes to the 
NCUA's field of membership rules also provide for the creation of an 
occupational common bond based on a trade, industry or profession. 
Members can also share a common bond by virtue of providing similar 
products, providing similar services or sharing the same profession or 
trade.
    Credit Union Service Organizations (CUSOs). Many credit unions have 
formed subsidiaries known as credit union service organizations 
(``CUSO''s) that have contributed significantly to the dramatic growth 
of complex, conglomerate credit unions. CUSOs offer sophisticated 
products such as trust administration and investment services. CUSOs 
also provide non-traditional financial services such as real estate 
brokerage, pre-paid legal service plans, and travel agency services. In 
many cases, CUSOs are established to offer services not permitted by a 
credit union's charter. All Income generated through CUSOs should be 
taxed.
List of Permissible CUSO Activities\5\
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    \5\ 12 CFR 712.5. The specific activities listed within each pre-
approved category are provided as illustrations of activities 
permissible under the particular category. The NCUA rules state that 
this is not an exclusive list.
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Checking and currency services
      Check cashing
      Coin and currency services
      Money orders, savings bonds, travelers checks, and 
purchase and sale of U.S. Mint commemorative coins services
Clerical, professional, and management services
      Accounting services
      Courier services
      Credit analysis
      Facsimile transmissions and copying services
      Internal audits for credit unions
      Locator services
      Management and personnel training and support
      Marketing services
      Research services
      Supervisory committee audits
Business loan origination
Consumer mortgage loan origination
Electronic transaction services
      Automated teller machine services
      Credit card and debit card services
      Data processing
      Electronic fund transfer services
      Electronic income tax filing
      Payment item processing
      Wire transfer services
      Cyber financial services
Financial counseling services
      Developing and administering IRA, Keogh, deferred 
compensation, and other personnel benefit plans
      Estate planning
      Financial planning and counseling
      Income tax preparation
      Investment counseling
      Retirement counseling
Fixed asset services
      Management, development, sale, or lease of fixed assets
      Sale, lease or servicing of computer hardware or software
Insurance brokerage or agency
      Agency for sale of insurance
      Provision of vehicle warranty programs
      Provision of group purchasing programs
Leasing
      Personal property
      Real estate leasing of excess CUSO property
Loan support services
      Debt collection services
      Loan processing, servicing, and sales
      Sale of repossessed collateral
Record retention, security, and disaster recovery services
      Alarm-monitoring and other security services
      Disaster recovery services
      Microfilm, microfiche, optical and electronic imaging, 
CD-ROM data storage and retrieval services
      Provision of forms and supplies
      Record retention and supplies
Securities brokerage services
Shared credit union branch (service center (operations)
Student loan origination
Travel agency services
Trust and trust-related services
      Acting as administrator for prepaid legal service plans
      Acting as trustee, guardian, conservator, estate 
administrator, or in any other fiduciary capacity
      Trust services
Real estate brokerage services.
Please refer to Appendix II.
Credit Union Member Business Loans
    In September 2003 the NCUA revised its rule to allow federal credit 
unions to circumvent Credit Union Membership Access Act's statutory 
assets. CUMAA stated that member business loans could be 1.65 times the 
credit union's net worth or 12.25% of its total assets. However, the 
new rule allows credit unions to exclude purchases of participation 
loans and non-member loans from this statutory cap upon NCUA approval. 
The Department of Treasury opposed the proposal, but unfortunately the 
final rule virtually ignored Treasury's concerns and opposition.
Large Sophisticated Credit Unions Hide Behind the Small Credit Union 
        Image
    Over the years, two distinct credit union industries have emerged. 
The first adheres to its statutory mission. The other hides behind the 
small credit union image to preserve its federal tax exemption. Even 
the National Credit Union Administration recognizes that the expansion 
that it has allowed to occur within the credit union industry now makes 
many credit unions indistinguishable from banks and savings 
associations. At a November 18, 2004 NCUA Board meeting, board member 
Deborah Matz observed that many legislators consider small credit 
unions to be the symbol of all credit unions. As a result, she 
reasoned, it is important to preserve small credit unions so that the 
entire credit union industry will not be taxed.
    We see no value in subsidizing credit union conglomerates that 
offer diverse, high-end financial products and services to the general 
public. It is a common misperception that credit unions offer only 
basic banking services to local hospital employees, schoolteachers, and 
government workers. In reality, many credit unions have evolved into 
complex financial institutions that do not have meaningful membership 
restrictions.
    For example, credit unions offer commercial loans, stocks, mutual 
funds, margin and option accounts, trust services, and other 
sophisticated products. Furthermore, many credit unions do not have a 
distinct field of membership and offer financial products and services 
to the general public. For instance:

      LA Financial Credit Union's field of membership includes 
all of Los Angeles County and its 10.1 million residents. Los Angeles 
County is home to more than 25% of California's population and more 
people than reside in 42 of this nation's 50 states.
      Suncoast Schools FCU in Tampa, FL caters to persons in 14 
counties and has assets of over $4 billion.
      Citizens Equity First CU in Peoria, IL serves over 14 
counties and employees of over 550 select companies.
      Rhode Island-based Greenwood Credit Union advertises that 
membership ``is open to all responsible people who want to be 
members.''

    $800 million Greylock Federal Credit Union in Massachusetts 
recently ran radio advertisements telling listeners if they ``have a 
pulse,'' they are probably qualified to join Greylock Federal Credit 
Union.
Specific Abuses by Credit Unions Pet Insurance?
    Yes, pet insurance. Believe it or not, CUNA has an article on their 
website boasting the fact that two of the largest credit unions in 
Colorado offer pet insurance to their members.
Fido, Kitty offered insurance through CUs
    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (7/23/03)--El Paso County, Colorado's two 
largest credit unions have taken the family pet under their field of 
membership--at least indirectly.
    Ent FCU and Air Academy FCU are offering pet insurance coverage for 
dogs and cats through a Colorado CU League subsidiary that also helps 
credit unions offer trust services, dental insurance and other products 
(The Gazette July 20).
    Depending on the level of coverage and Fido's size, age, and 
health, monthly premiums for dogs are $9.95 to $55.90. For Kitty, the 
rates range from $8.50 to $26.90. Compare that to the $2,000 a year one 
owner of a rambunctious mutt paid in vet bills, including $1,800 for 
surgery to remove a corn cob stuck in the dog's intestines. The 
coverage includes up to $3,000 per incident for accidents, broken 
bones, bites, and illness.
    Ent began offering the coverage last month when it became available 
from the league and because members said pet care expenses were 
becoming a financial issue. Air Academy began offering pet insurance in 
May.
    The credit unions share in the revenue produced by the pet 
insurance program, which offers checks and electronic greeting cards 
imprinted with a pet's photo, an online pet photo album, and discounts 
at a pet products retail chain.\6\
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Credit Unions Are Not For Profit?
      Digital Federal Credit Union is spending $5.2 million for 
the naming rights to the Worcester Centrum Centre. In effect, the 
credit union's tax-free status means that local taxpayers will 
subsidize the cost of these naming rights by $2 million. Digital 
Federal Credit Union also conducted a major television advertising 
campaign during Boston Red Sox baseball games.
      Over the past year, $4.6 billion BECU sent 2.1 million 
direct mail pieces and drew in 20,000 new members.
      According to a July survey by the National Association of 
Federal Credit Unions, 39% of respondents indicated that they impose a 
minimum balance on share draft accounts while another 35% indicated 
that they charge monthly fees.
      Commodore Perry Federal Credit Union imposes a $5 check-
cashing fee on members that maintain only a regular share account at 
the credit union, but no checking account, no loans, no active account. 
Members will also be charged for cashing checks if they withdraw the 
full amount of their direct deposit on the day it is deposited, but 
have no active accounts.
      Portland Teachers Credit Union President Cliff Dias 
earned $1.6 million in salary and bonus in 2003, according to a report 
the credit union filed with the IRS.
Unrelated Business Income Tax
    As a general rule, not for profit organizations are subject to the 
unrelated business income tax (UBIT) on net income from activities that 
are not substantially related to the organization's exempt purpose. The 
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has not issued guidance regarding the 
application of UBIT to non-traditional credit union activities, 
although credit unions in Alabama, Connecticut, and Colorado have 
reportedly received UBIT-related inquiries from the IRS.
    Credit unions should not be permitted to offer such a wide array of 
products to the general public without being subject to some form of 
taxation. We urge the House Ways and Means Committee to study CUSOs in 
the context of evaluating how credit unions have evolved beyond 
organizations with limited fields of membership that provide financial 
services to persons of modest means. We support examining whether the 
UBIT or an UBIT-like tax should be applied to certain credit unions. 
Sophisticated credit unions should be recognized as complex financial 
institutions and should no longer be permitted to claim that they are 
part of a ``mom and pop'' industry that deserves to be exempt from 
federal income tax.
Credit unions compete with insurance providers and car dealerships as 
        well as community banks
    Redwood Credit Union recently formed RCU Insurance Services, a 
credit union service organization that offers insurance products to 
both credit union members and non-members living in the community. 
Redwood Credit Union also owns an auto center where members can shop 
for vehicles with on-site financing and auto insurance. 
(http://www.cuna.org/newsnow/products.html)
    City County Credit Union, Margate, Fla., also owns a used car 
dealership for both credit union members and non-members. They also 
provide on site financing.

    http://www.cuna.org/newsnow/archive/list.php?date=021005

    Please refer to Appendix III.
Conclusion
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel, and Members of the 
Committee, we thank you for inviting America's Community Bankers to 
testify on the ``Review of Credit Union Tax Exemption.'' Over 50 years 
ago, this same Committee undertook an examination of the tax-exemption 
granted to mutual banks and savings and loans. After lengthy 
deliberation, the Committee concluded that mutual institutions were 
competing directly with banks and to continue the exemption should be 
discriminatory. The same is true today. We reemphasize that our concern 
remains with the sophisticated credit unions that have grown beyond 
their common bond and are as bank-like as mutual institutions that are 
taxed. From a competitive perspective, these credit unions have become 
tax-exempt community banks, creating situations in which a billion 
dollar, tax-free credit union can sit opposite a $180 million, non-
stock, taxpaying mutual savings bank like mine. ACB commends the 
Committee and its staff for undertaking an examination of the tax-
exempt sector, and we look forward to working with the Committee on 
this important issue.

                                                   Appendix I
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                                                                           $7.5 billion.\8\
                                                                            Federal mutual
                                  $0 Would have paid                            savings
                                   $1.32 billion if                        associations paid
   Income tax liability 2003      taxed at the same    Lost exemption in   over $285 million   $30 billion.\10\
                                  rate as banks and          1952.           in 2003. All
                                       savings                             federally insured
                                   associations.\7\                         mutuals paid $1
                                                                              billion.\9\
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CRA obligations                  No CRA obligations.  Predated the CRA.   The CRA requires    Same as federal
                                                       Mutual savings      insured             savings
                                                       associations        depository          associations.
                                                       worked to           institutions to
                                                       maintain and        serve and help
                                                       foster the          foster growth in
                                                       economic strength   each of the
                                                       of communities      communities they
                                                       they served.        serve, including
                                                                           low- to moderate-
                                                                           income areas
                                                                           within their
                                                                           communities.
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Interest on consumer checking    Federal credit       No. Checking        Federal savings     Same as federal
 accounts                         unions may pay       accounts were not   associations may    savings
                                  interest on both     permitted.          not pay interest    associations.
                                  consumer and                             on business
                                  business checking                        checking
                                  accounts.                                accounts.
                                                                           Offering interest
                                                                           bearing NOW
                                                                           accounts to
                                                                           individuals and
                                                                           nonprofit
                                                                           organizations is
                                                                           permissible.
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Field of membership              Federal credit       Mutual savings      Not applicable.     Not applicable.
                                  unions may serve     associations were
                                  only persons         authorized to
                                  within their field   lend within their
                                  of membership.       communities,
                                  Over the years,      which generally
                                  membership           was defined to
                                  restrictions have    comprise a 50-
                                  been liberalized     mile radius.
                                  legislatively and
                                  by regulation. In
                                  2003, the NCUA
                                  greatly expanded
                                  its field of
                                  membership rules.
                                  At a minimum, the
                                  new rules will
                                  allow 56 million
                                  additional people
                                  to qualify for
                                  credit union
                                  membership.
                                  Separately, some
                                  states have very
                                  liberal field of
                                  membership
                                  interpretations..
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Lending limits                   A federal credit     Historically,       Lending limits      The single
                                  union may lend to    mutual savings      track those for     borrower limit
                                  any one member up    associations        national banks.     generally is 15%
                                  to 10% of its        could lend up to    Federal savings     of the bank's
                                  deposits..           a percentage of     associations also   capital and
                                                       assets, generally   have an             surplus on an
                                                       between 15-20% of   additional          unsecured basis.
                                                       assets to a         lending limit       An additional 10%
                                                       single borrower,    authority for       limit is
                                                       depending upon      residential         available if
                                                       loan type.          development         collateralized
                                                                           loans.              with fully
                                                                                               marketable
                                                                                               securities.
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Business lending authority       Federal credit       No.                 Federal savings     National banks
                                  unions may make                          associations may    have general
                                  business loans of                        make commercial     commercial
                                  up to 12.25% of                          loans in an         lending
                                  total assets.                            aggregate amount    authority.
                                  However, a recent                        totaling 20% of
                                  rule adopted by                          total assets, 10%
                                  the NCUA allows                          of which must be
                                  credit unions to                         in small business
                                  exclude purchases                        loans.
                                  of participation
                                  loans and non-
                                  member loans from
                                  the statutory cap
                                  if approved by the
                                  NCUA.
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Unsecured consumer loans         Yes (12-year term    No.                 Yes.                Yes.
                                  limit).
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Insurance/securities powers      Yes.                 No.                 Yes.                Yes.
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\7\ Banks and savings associations pay approximately 40% of their income in federal and state taxes each year.
  According to the NCUA's 2003 Annual Report, Federal credit unions had a net income of $3.3 billion, 40% of
  which is $1.32 billion. President Bush's FY 2005 budget estimates that credit unions' federal tax exemptions
  will cost a cumulative total of $7.88 billion between 2005 and 2009.
\8\ SNL Database.
\9\ Id.
\10\ Id.

Appendix II--Credit Union Products and Services*
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    * This chart is intended to illustrate that credit unions have 
evolved into full service financial service providers that offer the 
same products and services as community banks. It is not intended to be 
a comprehensive list.

    Loan Products: Mortgate Loans; Commercial Loans; Commercial 
Property Loans; Aircraft Loans; Lines of Credit; Recreational Vehicle 
Loans (including Boats, MOtorcycles, Snowmobiles, and Waverunners); 
Automobile Loans; Home Equity Lines of Credit; Credit Cards; Student 
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Loans.

    Deposit Products: Individual Retirement Accounts; Checking 
Accounts; Money Market Deposit Accounts; christmas Colubs; Certificates 
of Deposit; Debit Cards.

    Investment Products: Stocks; Margin Accounts; Option Accounts; 
Trust Services; Unit Investment Trusts; fixed Annuities; Variable 
Annuities; Retirement and Investment Planning; Mutual Funds; Retirement 
Plans (401 (k), 403(b), SEP, etc.); 529 Educational Savings Plans; Tas 
Free Municipal Bonds; Corporate Bonds; U.S. Government Bonds.

    Insurance Products: Automobile Insurance; Term Life Insurance; 
Whole Life Insurance; Accidental Death and Dismemberment Insurance; 
Homeowners Insurance; Disability Income Insurance; Long Term Care 
Insurance; Renter's Insurance; Dental Insurance; Risk Management 
Insurance Needs Analysis; Credit Life Insurance.

    Services: Sweep Services; Online Banking; Wire Transfers; Safe 
Deposit Boxes; Savings Bonds; Cashier's Checks; Money Orders; Gift 
Checks; Extended Warranty Policies on New or Used Vehicles; Cash Back 
Real Estate Programs Members earn cash rebates when buying or selling 
real estate. Members are assigned a real estate agent. After 
settlement, a cash rebate is directly deposited into the member's 
account; Automobile Listing Services A computerized listing service 
that gives members access to listings of new auto prices, including the 
MSRP and the dealer's invoice costs. The guide also provides 
information on options and their prices; Discount Vehicle Buying 
Services Advisors search for new and used vehicles on a member's 
behalf.

                              Appendix III
                     Credit Unions: Fact vs. Fiction
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                   Myth                                 Fact
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Myth: Credit unions deserve to be exempted  Fact: Credit unions are not
 from taxation because they are              the only cooperatively
 cooperatives.                               owned financial
                                             institutions. Like credit
                                             unions, mutually organized
                                             savings and loan
                                             associations and mutual
                                             savings banks return to
                                             savers income earned from
                                             borrowers after deducting
                                             expenses and required
                                             allocations to reserves.
                                             Mutuals pay corporate
                                             income tax on retained
                                             earnings (undistributed net
                                             income).
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Myth: Credit unions are not-for-profit.     Fact: Credit unions are very
                                             profitable. They retain
                                             earnings and they are using
                                             those earnings to grow at a
                                             rapid pace. In 2002,
                                             federally insured ``not-for-
                                             profit'' credit unions had
                                             a net income of over $5.6
                                             billion.\11\ Further, these
                                             credit unions held over $37
                                             billion in undivided
                                             earnings. Federally insured
                                             mutually organized savings
                                             institutions had a net
                                             income of approximately
                                             $1.6 billion and paid
                                             approximately $868 million
                                             in income taxes.\12\
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Myth: Credit unions serve persons of        Fact: An October 2003 report
 modest means.                               by the General Accounting
                                             Office found that banks
                                             serve a higher proportion
                                             of low- and moderate-income
                                             households than credit
                                             unions. Credit unions are
                                             exempt from the Community
                                             Reinvestment Act and are
                                             not required to engage in
                                             special efforts to serve
                                             low-income consumers or
                                             neighborhoods.
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Myth: Credit unions have limited fields of  Fact: Credit unions no
 membership.                                 longer have the membership
                                             limitations that were
                                             originally justified their
                                             income tax exemption.
                                             Today, credit unions cater
                                             to the general public and
                                             serve the same customers as
                                             community banks. Credit
                                             unions that historically
                                             served well-defined groups,
                                             such as employees of a
                                             specific company, have
                                             moved to adopt
                                             ``community'' charters that
                                             allow them to serve the
                                             general public over a wide
                                             geographic area. Other
                                             ``common bond'' credit
                                             unions have been permitted
                                             to include over 1,000
                                             unrelated membership groups
                                             within their field of
                                             membership.
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Myth: Credit unions are a ``Mom and Pop''   Fact: Credit unions are a
 industry.                                   $623 billion industry.
                                             Approximately 100 credit
                                             unions have assets of $1
                                             billion or more.
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Myth: Community banks hypocritically seek   Fact: The shareholders of
 additional Subchapter S benefits            Subchapter S banks pay
                                             taxes on their earnings
                                             regardless of whether those
                                             earnings are distributed.
                                             While a credit union with
                                             $1 million in retained
                                             earnings pays $0 in taxes,
                                             a Subchapter S bank with
                                             the same retained earnings
                                             pays close to $400,000 in
                                             taxes.
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\11\ NCUA 2002 Annual Report. Federally insured credit unions include
  federal and state charters that have share insurance. Federally
  chartered credit unions alone earned nearly $3.1 billion in 2002.
\12\ SNL Database. Federally insured mutuals institutions include all
  federally chartered institutions as well as those state chartered
  institutions that have federal deposit insurance.


                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you, Mr. Macomber. The gentlewoman 
from Connecticut. Does Mrs. Johnson wish to inquire?
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There clearly is a 
difference between the very big credit unions and the smaller 
credit unions. Are there greater constraints on you membership 
area, Mr. Macomber, than on a credit union's membership area? 
Or membership isn't the right word--but your service area?
    Mr. MACOMBER. Well, legally, we get to go across State 
boundaries. We certainly have to do some work. But we are not 
really restricted geographically as far as the State of 
Connecticut. There was at one time a law in place that had a 
50-mile radius restriction on banks like mine. However, as a 
practical matter, again, we are $180 million bank, and exactly 
like credit unions, we generate all of our capital, all of it 
from retained earnings. As a bank our size, we really don't 
have access to capital markets for any consequential growth in 
capital, so we are also limited to where our capital comes from 
from retention earnings.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. What is the regulatory burden of a small bank 
versus a small credit union?
    Mr. MACOMBER. Well, we are not subject to CRA. And, as I 
think was mentioned earlier, there are a couple of recent--
actually one as recent as 2003 that indicated that credit 
unions were not serving the lower-income and moderate-income 
individuals as well as smaller banks are doing, community banks 
are doing. I would like to quote actually something that was in 
the Credit Union Times. Their editor, Mike Wells stated that--
and this is in response to a letter over my signature that was 
printed in his publication, ``ACB apparently thinks credit 
unions' first obligation is to serve communities in which they 
operate. Wrong. CUs' number one obligation is to serve the 
changing financial needs of the members who own it. Of course, 
the community will also be served as a by-product.'' That is 
not exactly, you know, a ringing endorsement of what the 
Community Reinvestment Act is all about, and I think the 
performance of credit unions outside of what they are chartered 
to have done in 1934 supports that this statement is exactly 
how a lot of credit unions feel.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Is it more costly for a small bank to make a 
loan than it is for credit union to make a loan?
    Mr. MACOMBER. That is hard to gauge. You know, I will say 
that the overhead in credit unions, looking at their 
statistics, tends to run higher. I don't think that is a 
function of what it costs to make a loan.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. In this issue of size, is there any precedent 
in any other section, area of banking, to regulate differently 
according to size?
    Mr. MACOMBER. Again, in the CRA area, banks now under the 
FTIC, the OTS, actually started this, and the FTIC has adopted 
similar rules. Banks of a billion dollars or less have a less 
detailed examination from a CRA perspective than banks of over 
a billion dollars.
    Mrs. JOHNSON. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from New York wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. No.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from Kentucky wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. LEWIS OF KENTUCKY. No. Not at this time.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from Michigan wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. LEVIN. Thank you. Let me ask those from the community 
banks, are there any restrictions on credit unions that don't 
exist for you? Any of you want to answer that?
    Mr. PLAGGE. I think probably the one right now, and it 
would be part of this CREAL legislation, there is some 
restrictions that they have as it pertains to the percent of 
business loans they can have as part of their assets. Right now 
that I believe is 12 and a half percent. They're seeking to get 
that to 20 percent. But one of the things that is discouraging 
to community banks in that percentage is they don't count loans 
currently below $50,000, and I think the legislation calls for 
not counting business loans below $100,000. As my testimony 
identified, almost all of our business loans as a percentage 
last year, 2004, 62 percent of our business loans--business and 
agricultural loans--were under $100,000. Now, what that 
legislation says is apparently they aren't even important 
enough to count. That's indeed a big part of our portfolio.
    Mr. MACOMBER. Also Federal savings banks do have 
restrictions on commercial lending. They're restricted to 10 
percent--excuse me 20 percent total; 10 percent, which has to 
be small business loans. So, there are restrictions on that 
part of the banking industry.
    Mr. LEVIN. How about other restrictions that apply? How 
about interest rates? Any difference?
    Mr. PLAGGE. We see it up and down the ladder. I can find 
credit unions where we have lower fees, lower rates. I can 
probably--they can probably find credit unions that have the 
reverse of that.
    Mr. LEVIN. How about restrictions, though. Any legal 
restrictions?
    Mr. PLAGGE. Restrictions on interest rates?
    Mr. LEVIN. Yeah.
    Mr. PLAGGE. You mean just state usury laws and so forth? 
The same. I would assume that would apply to credit unions in 
our State.
    Mr. HAYES. That would be my guess is I mean--you know, the 
state law controls the interest rates on the----
    Mr. LEVIN. How about for Federal Credit Unions? Isn't there 
a difference?
    Mr. MACOMBER. Well, I think the Chairman mentioned that 
there's an 18 percent usury rate for Federal Credit Unions, 
which would probably match most States or perhaps be higher 
than some.
    Mr. LEVIN. What is the largest credit union within 10, 15 
miles of--or say 10 miles of each of your banks?
    Mr. PLAGGE. I am in Waverly, Iowa. We have a branch of John 
Deere Community Credit Union, which is a billion one. They are 
in 33 I think now of the 99 counties in Iowa. So, they are by 
far--I think they are the seventh largest financial institution 
in the state. So, they are, by far, the largest in the State at 
this point.
    Mr. HAYES. There is a small credit union in the community 
in which I live, and then 40 miles away, we have branches of 
one of the larger credit unions in the----
    Mr. LEVIN. Forty miles away?
    Mr. HAYES. Forty miles. Yes, we have facilities there.
    Mr. MACOMBER. We are basically in the same situation. We 
have a small local credit union. But certainly within 35 or 40 
miles, we have a billion dollar credit union as well.
    Mr. LEVIN. Thirty-five or 40 miles? Okay. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman from Texas, Mr. Brady, wish 
to inquire?
    Mr. BRADY. Briefly, Mr. Chairman. I would ask the panel, 
back on the issue of small business access to capital, how does 
the tax-exemptions for credit unions impact for good or for 
worse access to capital of small business start ups and 
expansions? Who--what institution now, what type of institution 
now best serves those needs in our communities? I would--why 
don't reverse it from the earlier panel. Start with Mr. 
Macomber and head in that direction.
    Mr. MACOMBER. Well, certainly, banks have the SBACU--in 
Connecticut, we have the CDAs. So, we have a number of 
government programs that are very helpful as far as start-up 
capital. We also provide start-up capital for folks that we've 
known, very much like credit unions. The different between a 
small bank like ours that has been in the same community for 
155 years and that of a credit union that has been there for 50 
years is pretty slim as far as knowing our customers and being 
able to help where it is appropriate. Start-up capital for new 
businesses is a very difficult thing to come by, as you know. 
Again, knowing our customers makes it easier for us than it 
might be for someone from outside the State.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you.
    Mr. HAYES. The same for our institution and our community. 
I mean, you know, we are with our customers working in civic 
projects. We are working with them on school boards. We 
understand their needs. You know they understand that we are 
there to help them achieve their dreams. So, you know, I think 
we are a good source of that capital, being a community bank, 
because if our community doesn't grow, then our institution 
doesn't grow and we can't continue to add new staff. So, that 
is an important part we play. And, you know, I am looking at my 
loans for my board report next week. I would tell you that the 
majority of the loans that we've made in the last 30 days would 
be under $10,000.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you.
    Mr. PLAGGE. As my figures show, I mean we make a lot of 
small business loans. We have the same basically structure that 
credit unions in our market would have. We have access to SBA 
loans and so forth. It is really not the issue of small 
business lending I guess that we say should be restricted with 
credit unions. It is the types of business lending that you are 
starting to see nationwide through the credit union industry--
some of the examples I gave in my written testimony--and the 
amount of that that is actually occurring to non-members. So, 
geographically, even though they may not have a credit union 
branch in their market, there is business lending going on, 
leaping across markets and the credit union industry. So, it 
doesn't have to be--that competition doesn't have to come from 
the local branch in your market. So, I think what we look at is 
what is happening with the business loan exemption, and 
indirectly when you start seeing luxury hotels and those kinds 
of things being financed, who's being subsidized in the 
process? So, it is not so much the--being against credit unions 
and business lending. It is what you are starting to see and 
the lack of regulation or the lack of monitoring behind it from 
the standpoint of NCUA, saying is this what we intended that 
tax subsidy for.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you.
    Ms. MAY. I guess. Short arms. I guess in my community, it 
is a little different. We are a low-income community, largely 
Hispanic. We were not doing member business loans. We had for 
many years prior to let's say 195 or so. But then we set back 
and said this wasn't something we wanted to concentrate on. In 
the late 'nineties, I started receiving a great amount of 
pressure from my State Senator and my State Representatives 
that there is lack of capital available in my city. We have an 
abundance of out of the local market banks that have moved into 
El Paso, and we see capital leaving in the form of deposits 
going elsewhere. We had--a brother of our Congressman had to go 
to a different State to get his small business loan made. So, 
we did reach out and start making small business loans. Now, 
our small business loans are averaging right around $120,000, 
$145,000. But they are largely to minorities, and, as I said, 
in a low-income community.
    Mr. BRADY. All right. Thank you.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Sir, we have also only recently begun 
business lending. Our average loan for a business loan is about 
$25,000. We see members such as spouses that start daycare 
centers; members who have transitioned to a second career and 
need to buy a fleet of two or three trucks. That is where we 
are concentrating right now.
    Mr. BRADY. Great. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. Does the gentleman 
from Washington wish to inquire?
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Admiral and Ms. Ma, you represent the credit 
unions; is that correct? Can you give me your opinion about 
what evil brought about this oversight hearing? What is it that 
we are searching out? Why do you think you are being summoned 
before the U.S. Congress?
    Ms. MAY. I believe we have heard some of that in our recent 
testimony here. We, as an industry, have grown to 6 percent of 
the financial assets of the Nation.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Six percent?
    Ms. MAY. Yes, sir. That it is if you exclude the Merrill 
Lynch's and so forth. I mean the insurance companies have gone 
into offering checking accounts. So, we have grown to 6 
percent, and as contrasted with the mutual savings industry, 
which grew to 50 percent in the early '50--of the deposits. 
This is--our 6 percent seems to be perceived as a threat. I 
believe that the issue here is that we do not have to serve 
stockholders. We serve our members, and our members only. All 
our net income is returned to the members in the form of lower 
rates on loans, higher rates on deposits, and contributions to 
retained earnings, which provides safety and soundness. It 
seems to be a concern that our structure works in that manner. 
But I think as a result, we have, as quoted by Ms. Johnson from 
I believe it was Zion National Bank made the issue that if it 
weren't for credit unions, just think what their record profits 
could be.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Admiral?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Sir, at Navy Federal, we consider our 
tax-exemption to be a privilege. I am very happy to come here 
today and to explain how we use that privilege to the best use 
of the Nation and to our members.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Is there anything about your credit union 
that would me it--now, I am talking about your own personal 
credit union, not your National status--that would--that you 
are worried about? Is there some kind of creeping problem 
there?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. No, sir. The Chairman's remarks at the 
beginning about transparency, accountability, and verifiability 
that is something that we work on very hard every day at our 
credit union, as I think all credit unions do, and I think we 
should. We owe that to our members and we owe that to you.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. But my understanding of the value here is we 
are talking about $600 billion in credit unions as opposed to 
about $4 trillion in the--and all the credit unions put 
together don't even come up to Citicorp. So, what is this 
threat? I mean how could you be a threat? Is it the idea would 
catch on, that people would form their own banks? Is that--it 
is kind of like a socialist germ that is infecting the body 
politic or what are we----
    Ms. MAY. I do have an application to convert to a credit 
union if any of my peers would like it here at the table.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. Well, let me ask a technical question. If 
you have money--you have made some money, and you retain it; 
you don't give it out in dividends to your members. You use it 
as a capital to be used for your operation of your credit 
unions; is that correct?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Yes, sir. That is correct.
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. So, if you had to pay that, you could no 
longer keep it. You would have to pay taxes to the Federal 
Government. Where would you get that capital that you would 
use? You would have to go----
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. There is no other source under 
current----
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. But can't you get it from the Federal 
Reserve or some place? Maybe you should open it up so that you 
can go to the Federal Reserve? How would you function if you 
lose your capital?
    Ms. MAY. We couldn't--we can only build capital from 
retained earnings. If--we pay out dividends on our member 
shares, which is the same as interest on deposit accounts. But 
we have to retain earnings into capital, which is held at a 
higher standard for credit unions than it is for our banking 
brethren. We have mandated capital standards under the 1151, 
which was passed in 1998. Without that capital, at the level we 
maintain it, and net income we have to contribute to it every 
year, we would not be considered as safe and sound as----
    Mr. MCDERMOTT. You mean the law that was passed by the 
Republicans in 1998; is that correct?
    Ms. MAY. Yes. This must be a fight between the Banking 
Committee and the Ways and Means Committee. I guess that is why 
you are here today. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman is welcome. Does the 
gentleman from Colorado, Mr. Beauprez, wish to inquire?
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think I will start 
with you, Mr. Macomber. Am I pronouncing it correctly?
    Mr. MACOMBER. That is about as close as anyone ever gets. 
That is great. Thank you.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Nobody tries my name ever at all. You have 
made a case that I think actually is going to invite a response 
from the Admiral and from Ms. May. But you made a case that 
credit unions aren't unlike the mutuals of the 'fifties. All 
credit unions?
    Mr. MACOMBER. Credit unions aren't like mutuals of 2005, 
either. I think the answer to that might be to go back--Mr. 
Brady had asked a question of Chairman Johnson about could she 
really quantify or make a real distinction between credit 
unions and small community banks. She seemed unable to come up 
with an answer to that, and frankly I am unable to come up with 
an answer to that as well.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Well, I wanted to clarify that that is what 
you said, because I want to come back to the Admiral and Ms. 
May because my guess is that you have a different perception, 
and invite you to maybe rebut that at least.
    Mr. MACOMBER. If I could add just one quick question.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Very quickly because my time is----
    Mr. MACOMBER. But I am with a mutual savings bank, and our 
only real source of capital is also retained earnings. We are 
fully taxed.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Oh, I heard that. I understand that.
    Ms. MAY. Any real differences between credit unions and 
mutual savings banks?
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Yes, and let me tell where I am going. In my 
earlier questions, I said I am here to reduce tax burdens on 
people. I am not looking to raise taxes, and I am very serious 
about that. But I am also very serious that the credit union 
industry needs to help us somehow--I think it is a line that 
the Chairman was following--in defending what the Admiral just 
used I think exactly the right word, the privilege, of tax-
exempt status. I think that is--I think with all due respect to 
my colleague from Washington, I think that is what this is 
about is making sure that we can do that.
    Ms. MAY. Well, and I certainly acknowledge that it is a 
privilege to have a tax-exempt status, and I value that highly. 
You know, when I walk out of my office at any time of the day, 
and I look at the members that we serve, or when I answer my 
phone----
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Well, I want to be very specific because I 
have got limited time.
    Ms. MAY. Okay.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. I want to go right to the heart of his 
question. If we just say because in El Paso, there are poor 
folks, I understand and accept that.
    Ms. MAY. Yeah. In El Paso, I am able to reach out and do 
things with my members that if I was paying and concerned about 
paying interest or dividends to stockholders I would not be 
able to do.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Okay. I accept that. Admiral?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Sir, I have no rebuttal. I just--I 
know what we are as a credit union. We are owned by our 
members. Our borrowers are our--and lenders are the same 
people. We are governed by a volunteer board.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. Okay. All right. I accept that. I am going to 
leave you with but a singular, very personal experience, and 
tell you that, like we politicians suffer with one bad apple 
spoiling the barrel and we all get painted, I would submit to 
you that there is--that is a little bit of the challenge your 
industry faces. I would submit to you that it is probably 
incumbent upon your industry again to help us make sure that 
your privilege is protected. I would like to be able to do 
that. Here is my very personal experience. I had a daughter who 
was obsessed a particular little car. She found it in the used 
car--the want ads. It was about an hour and half away. My wife 
and she went down to the used car lot, looked at it, 
negotiated, got a price, and the salesman when they were 
closing the deal said you need a loan. Well, frankly, she 
didn't, but her curiosity was up, and she said what do you got. 
He says, well, the credit union right across the street will 
take care of you.
    Oh, but I am not a member. That is not a problem. There is 
your problem, Ms. May and Admiral Dawson. That is your problem 
in that, you know, we had nothing to do with that area, that 
region, that field of membership, and when you see those kind 
of circumstances I understand why people like this have 
concern, and when I wrote down the words equity and fairness, 
that is our job. On this side of the desk now, I have a 
different job. It is very much one of trying to provide equity 
and fairness to all of the taxpayers and those that don't. I 
submit to you again the challenge for your industry, of which I 
am a fan and I want to remain a fan, and I want to be as 
supportive as I can possibly be, is to help us help you 
demonstrate that we are still continuing to be fair and 
equitable to everybody that is operating on the playingfield. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Louisiana? The gentlewoman from Pennsylvania?
    Ms. HART. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I asked a question 
earlier of the Association President Chairman I guess, 
Chairwoman, regarding the transparency issue for credit unions, 
and just request an answer from you since I really didn't get 
one from her, Admiral and Ms. May. Is there some objection to 
providing more transparency in the credit union business? Is 
there something that I am missing that would present a problem 
for that industry if they filed the same form, the form 990, 
with the IRS?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. I can speak for Navy Federal, and I 
will say that none whatsoever. We want to be transparent. We 
think that we are. We submit a 5300 report once a quarter to 
NCUA. That report is available to anyone that wants to see it, 
not only our members, but anyone in the Nation that wants to 
see it. We have a--I have an internal audit Committee or audit 
division that looks very closely at my credit union. We have 
Price Waterhouse as an outside auditor. In fact, as I speak 
today, they are on board doing their quarterly audit. I have a 
supervisory Committee made up of volunteers that can look at 
anything within my credit union. Transparency is a good thing.
    Ms. HART. Okay. Ms. May?
    Ms. MAY. As the gentleman from IRS mentioned several times, 
state-chartered credit unions do file a 990. I am a state-
chartered credit union. So, we do file in the State of Texas, 
and it is filed as a group 990, and then I subsequently file a 
990-T.
    Ms. HART. Is there information that is disclosed in there 
that you believe is sensitive that in some way might harm the 
credit union members?
    Ms. MAY. You know, complying with the law and the rules set 
forth is certainly something that is very important to us. I, 
like the Admiral, go out of our way to make sure our members--
everything possible can be disclosed to our members. I also 
have the same audit Committee structure, do the same certified 
CPA audits. They are fully unqualified with--we sign off on the 
various statements that we have to make to get a CPA audit. 
There are, in fact--my institution, my staff, and my self go 
out of our way to over comply with any rule or any reporting 
requirements. So.
    Ms. HART. I didn't get--what is the size of your credit 
union?
    Ms. MAY. One point one billion.
    Ms. HART. Okay. Thank you. I would like to ask the bankers 
a similar question. Do you think it is necessary that they 
would comply with the same transparency?
    Mr. HAYES. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. HART. Tell me why, Mr. Hayes?
    Mr. HAYES. Well, you know, I have examiners coming in my 
bank on Monday. I have had the 30-page questionnaire, and we 
have completed all that, and I am sure that the credit unions 
go through that as well. But it is imperative--it is sort of 
like the report card that your children sometimes don't want to 
bring home. You know, when you ask them how are they doing? 
Fine. But until you get the piece of paper that says well, you 
made a ``C.'' I think transparency is that report card, and I 
think it is absolutely not a problem for me, and I don't think 
it should be a problem for anybody, especially if there is a 
tax advantage that is there.
    Ms. HART. I think that is the major point is that people 
have a suspicion because there isn't a level of transparency, 
and it may be completely unfounded.
    Mr. HAYES. Right. I think they are all very----
    Ms. HART. But we can't be sure.
    Mr. HAYES. We are all honorable people. But, you know, I 
think it is just transparency needs to be there, and I think 
that is important. I applaud these folks that are doing it. But 
the regulator needs to say, the regulator tells us what we are 
going to do nine times out of 10.
    Ms. HART. Right. Mr. Macomber?
    Mr. MACOMBER. I don't really have a different--anything to 
add to what----
    Ms. HART. Okay.
    Mr. MACOMBER. --Dave said, except that the FDIC, which 
examines our bank and is our primary Federal regulator, does 
have some curiosity about salaries and things in the bank, 
which doesn't appear to be true for the NCUA.
    Ms. HART. Okay.
    Mr. PLAGGE. The only comment I would make: It really struck 
me in the first panel of just how an entity that is there for 
the public good has literally no reporting to do, period--I 
mean as it relates to CRA, as it relates to those kind of 
things that would prove the marketplace that they serve there 
seems to be no push from the regulator, who is supposed to be 
doing that, as OCC does with our bank, to actually accomplish 
that. That is probably the biggest frustration. If everybody 
followed the best practices that we just hear to the right, 
that is probably not--you know, it is probably a lot less 
conversation.
    Ms. HART. That may be the case. Ms. May, do you want to 
respond?
    Ms. MAY. I just want to say a CPA audit is a requirement.
    Ms. HART. Yes.
    Ms. MAY. There is no way around that. The audit by the 
examiners, by the regulator occurs every year, and, yes, they 
do ask my salary and the salary of my management staff. There 
is no hiding of any facts in that sense. We do also report HMDA 
information. The only report that we don't make is the CRA 
report. We do everything else that has been alluded to. Quite 
honestly, I assume the mutual savings were reporting 990 during 
the S&L crisis.
    Ms. HART. Thank you. I am out of time. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. I thank the gentlewoman. Does the 
gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. Tanner, wish to inquire?
    Mr. TANNER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And, Mr. 
Hayes, thank you for being here. He is from the great eighth 
district of Tennessee, and we appreciate your coming to 
Washington today.
    Mr. HAYES. Thank you, sir.
    Mr. TANNER. Most of the questions that I had have been 
asked. Are there any meaningful restrictions on credit union 
membership? In other words, is there--if Mr. Beauprez's 
daughter can join a credit union across the street with no 
connection to that area or anything, what are the meaningful 
restrictions on credit union membership and who sets them?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Unfortunately, his--I don't think his 
daughter could join my credit union. I would like her to, but 
she would have to join the Navy or the Marine Corps first. We 
are always looking for a few good folks. So, yes, I have 
restrictions on my field of membership, which is the Department 
of the Navy active duty military sailors and marines and 
civilians that work for the Department of the Navy. I have 
restrictions.
    Mr. TANNER. Could I just add something here? But the 
membership, and let me preface my remark by saying I spent 22 
years in the Navy. I was once a member of the Navy Federal 
Credit Union, and have a great deal of respect for everything 
the credit union does. But the credit union membership rules 
are not just members of the military, but their spouses, their 
mothers, their fathers, their grandparents, and then it can go 
out from there. By the six--if you remember the movie, ``Six 
Degrees of Separation,'' you could take on just about anybody 
in the country. There are 2.5 million members in the Navy 
Federal Credit Union. That is not a criticism of the credit 
union. But I think it shows you how the membership can be just 
expanded. This is the first time I have ever taken issue with 
an admiral in a public forum.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. No issue there. Did you keep your 
membership?
    Mr. MACOMBER. I did not get my membership.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. But unfortunately, if you had applied 
again, you couldn't become a member; is that is the restriction 
that I have so.
    Mr. TANNER. Do you set that or does the--are you a Federal 
credit union--who sets the membership guidelines? Is it left up 
to individual credit unions or is it----
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. No. No, sir. You apply for your field 
of membership with our regulator, NCUA, and they determine what 
your field of membership can be.
    Mr. TANNER. Well, I was just wondering what the field of 
membership is for your daughter.
    Mr. BEAUPREZ. I don't know what the field of membership was 
Mr. Tanner, but the question that we asked was, how do we 
become a member. Oh, all you got to do is walk in and sign the 
form. If you wanted to be a member, in other words, my wife was 
told, you are a member. That is all you needed.
    Mr. TANNER. Is that because we all have a body temperature 
of approximately 98.6? I assume we do at least unless somebody 
up here is dead.
    Chairman THOMAS. Will the gentleman yield? Apparently, that 
is variable as well.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. TANNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Does the gentleman from California wish to 
inquire?
    Mr. BECERRA. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Let me see if I 
can ask a question that Ms. May posed or she made a comment 
that I am hoping folks from the banking industry might respond 
to. She indicated that she had an application for credit union 
status with her. Can you give us your explanation of why more 
banks or mutuals have not converted to credit unions if the 
credit unions have it so good?
    Mr. PLAGGE. First National Bank in Waverly is a 141-year-
old small business. It is a small banking institution. It's 
part of the American fabric of small business. There are non-
profits. There are for-profits. There are publics. There are 
privates. I guess the question in itself, if the world was made 
up if not-for-profits, non-taxpaying, tax-exempt entities, it 
doesn't work. Again, our argument isn't against the industry 
itself, the credit union industry itself. It is those that--
that it made a comment here several times before--that seem to 
have no limits on what they can do. It seems to frame around 
NCUA that has no borders on what they will approve for a 
community charter for a common bond for business and products 
and services. You are seeing exceptions here with the large 
credit unions that are staying to task, that are staying to a 
membership field common bond, which is terrific. But that is 
not what we are seeing on a nationwide basis as it relates to 
business lending and so forth. So, I am not apologizing for our 
status as a community bank in Waverly, Iowa, 141 years old, 
owned by our community and employees. So, that is not an option 
we would chose to take.
    Mr. BECERRA. I think that is a great response, and before I 
move to anyone else, let me do that--is it Plagge or Plague?
    Mr. PLAGGE. Plagge.
    Mr. BECERRA. Plagge. Mr. Plagge I think makes a good 
argument here that you can have any number. His concern is not 
with any credit union. It is those that seem to be going beyond 
the scope of what the charter was meant to provide to any 
credit union. To those of you who operate credit unions, two 
questions: Is there ever a point where you get too big? Second, 
should you be allowed to get bigger when you still--or at least 
some or the credit unions in the industry still don't seem to 
be providing service to a lot of the modest-income families 
that you would think that credit unions would be best at 
serving?
    Ms. MAY. Congressman, when 1151 was passed in 1998, that 
made available to credit unions the opportunity to expand 
beyond their traditional fields to add low-income areas. In 
adding low-income areas, we have seen I believe Ms. Johnson 
reported three times the growth among those credit unions than 
we have in the credit unions that did not add low-income areas. 
As a credit union grows and reaches out and serves more people 
of modest means, I think that is a success factor, and that is 
an opportunity to bring more services to people who otherwise 
are unbanked.
    Mr. BECERRA. So, Ms. May, if I could ask you there: At what 
point will you be able to come back to us and say you at least 
match the banks when it comes to providing loans, mortgages, or 
otherwise to folks in modest income communities to the level 
that banks do?
    Ms. MAY. Are you speaking of GECU or are you speaking of 
credit unions as a movement?
    Mr. BECERRA. As a whole.
    Ms. MAY. As a whole.
    Mr. BECERRA. Because obviously, as I think Mr. Plagge 
pointed out, there are some exceptions or perhaps they are the 
rule, but they are concerned more with the outliers.
    Ms. MAY. Well, we are already seeing in the HMDA data an 
improvement year by year.
    Mr. BECERRA. But I am asking at what point do you think the 
industry, the credit union industry, will at least as an 
industry come to the point of matching the banking--the for-
profit industry--when it comes to making loans to modest-income 
families in this country?
    Ms. MAY. Well, I would suspect we are already there or 
above it.
    Mr. BECERRA. Okay. I am not sure if the data are out there, 
but I am not sure if that is the case. I would hope that that 
would be the case because that would certainly move forward in 
lending you a lot more support. I think I stopped is it Mr. 
Hayes?
    Mr. HAYES. Yes, sir. You know, like Mr. Plagge, I mean we--
you know, we have been around for 75 years, and we have been 
there because we have served our customers, all levels of 
customers, from low to moderate to those who have resources. As 
I have traveled throughout the country representing the ICBA 
and the 5,000 member banks--we represent 6 percent of the total 
banking assets, and we are--you know, we pay taxes. I think it 
gets to be an issue to us is just, you know, it looks like it 
is not fair. And, you know, you shouldn't even be asking the 
question if the charter was to serve the low and moderate, and, 
yet, you are having to ask the question when are they going to 
be there, I mean if that was the charter, that was what was put 
forth. I think it is ironic that we are even asking the 
question.
    Mr. BECERRA. Thank you very much.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman's time----
    Mr. BECERRA. My time has expired.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman's time has expired. Does the 
gentleman from North Dakota wish to inquire?
    Mr. POMEROY. I did, Mr. Chairman. I thank you for this 
hearing. I think it has been a very interesting discussion. I 
am not quite sure where all of this is going, but if we are 
just in a kind of expansive, fact-gathering position of the 
Ways and Means Committee, I have found this to be a quite an 
interesting discussion. I might suggest, Mr. Chairman, that a 
hearing similar on pensions would be extremely timely. It is 
just an enormous amount of concern in this area, and a lot of 
misinformation in this area, too. Even having the discussion 
about it, absent any particular legislation might be something 
that would be a good pursuit for this Committee. But as to the 
issue before us----
    Chairman THOMAS. Would the gentleman yield?
    Mr. POMEROY. Yes, I will.
    Chairman THOMAS. I think I have a thick enough skin for 
that.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. POMEROY. I reckon you do.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. POMEROY. I would just have a couple of questions. It is 
a bit off the topic, but I have been concerned about, and as 
long as we have the Navy here, Admiral, I have been concerned 
about the location of these payday lending outfits and these 
subprime outfits and even the--I used to be an insurance 
commissioner--the marketing of scurrilous insurance products to 
the men and women in our military. I think that for the favored 
tax status of credit unions, we do have a right to expect a 
measure extra, and investment back in the members. So, I am 
interested in what you can tell us about Navy Credit Union's 
effort to really help your membership steer its way through and 
around that subprime industry.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. We do a variety of things. We make 
our--we make services available to the bases where we serve, to 
provide education on finances for young sailors and marines. I 
have a very large budgetary counseling division at Navy Federal 
that people can call in to get counseling, and they work with a 
lot of people that--or a number of people that have gotten in 
trouble with payday lenders. I think of payday lending for--as 
a spiral of doom for sailors and marines. It is something they 
just can't recover from. We all must bring forth alternatives 
to that. We have worked with the Navy-Marine Corps Relief 
Society. We have talked to them about how we can bridge the gap 
between when people arrive at their doors who are destitute, 
many of them because they have just gone on the shoals from 
payday lending.
    Mr. POMEROY. I appreciate that response, and I--in the 
event there are Federal legislative issues that you think we 
actually ought to pursue, relative to market abuse in this 
area, the Committee would I am sure appreciate having it called 
to your attention. Generally, it is a regulatory issue dealt 
with at a state level, but it does concern me a lot. I mean 
those who would prey upon men and women in our Services, and it 
is despicable conduct. More generally, on this--look I have got 
friends on both sides of this issue, and I have spent a lot of 
years with my friends in the North Dakota banker community 
talking about the words you used, Mr. Macomber, an impending 
crisis. There is no doubt they feel like they can't compete 
against these non-taxed entities, and they are deeply anguished 
about it, sincerely so. For me trying to evaluate how all this 
sorts out, I tend to think market share is the ultimate 
demonstration of whether or not we have got something here that 
indeed has given somebody a clear and non-competitive advantage 
in the marketplace. Now, I would like the bankers on the panel 
to tell me how you--to me it looks like the market share is 
staying relatively stable and that profits are healthy in the 
banking sector, and that diminishes my concern that we are 
heading toward an impending crisis in banking. I don't say that 
to be argumentative. I would just like your response, sir.
    Mr. PLAGGE. Well, I think it is a great question, because I 
just refer back to something David just said. You know, the 
community banking sector represents 6 percent of the financial 
sector. Interestingly enough, that is the same percent as the 
credit union. The credit union industry tries to do I think a 
great job, and it has been very successful at it--doing--making 
this the discussion about Citi Group or Citicorp against small 
credit unions, when, in fact, the real battle lines are on the 
local level against large credit unions and community banks. 
One tax study in Virginia said that there is a 67 basis point 
difference--benefit to the credit union either on the loan side 
or the borrowing--or the deposit side. If that indeed is the 
case, and whether it is that amount or a little less, whatever. 
Just take the tax rates and look at it as a whole. If we are 
all community-based, and we all know our customers, we are all 
offering essentially the same products and services, 67 basis 
points is a huge difference. Because it is an exemption that 
goes into that marketplace, I mean competition isn't 
competition. It is not level playingfield competition. The tax-
exemption gives enough benefit in rates and terms that it can 
move the market in that direction, which is what we are seeing 
happen in community bank marketplaces.
    Mr. POMEROY. Well, I mean that is just a question. I mean I 
know the argument. It has been well advanced and often today.
    Mr. PLAGGE. Right.
    Mr. POMEROY. But what is happening in market share relative 
to community banks?
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman's time has expired. Any of 
these questions that are asked in which time runs out, if any 
panel member of any panel wishes to supply in writing 
additional information to explore this area, because I do think 
share of overall pie versus concentration within a share of the 
pie is something that I think needs to be talked about 
completely. Does the gentleman from Indiana, Mr. Chocola, wish 
to inquire?
    Mr. CHOCOLA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for 
being here today. At the risk of stating the obvious, I think 
we all, obviously, understand that credit unions' tax-exempt 
status is based on their unique organizational structure and 
their goal of operating for mutual purposes, serving under-
served areas and populations. So, I guess the purpose of being 
here today is to answer: Do you do that? Maybe to help us 
answer that, we can look at the state I come from, which is 
Indiana. The Federal Reserve has estimated that a minimum 
profitable loan is about $2,400. There was a survey done this 
year in Indiana that indicated that 41 credit unions were 
randomly surveyed, and it found out that the average minimum 
loan for these credit unions was $281.
    It also found out that no-cost checking in these credit 
unions was offered on an average of a $17 balance in the 
checking account. Also, 26 percent of their members had 
checking balances under $100; and 55 percent of the savings 
account balances in these credit unions were under $250. So, I 
guess for the credit union representatives, I would ask, is 
this unique to Indiana? Or is this a similar experience that 
you see in your state and industry-wide? In the interest of 
full disclosure to the community bankers, I was part of a group 
that started a series of community banks in Indiana. Is this 
the kind of business that you solicit and want? Do you see this 
as potentially profitable? So, I would ask the community bank 
representatives, first, is this unique to Indiana, or is this 
what you see industry-wide?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. I think we see it across the credit 
union industry. At Navy Federal, in 2005, we have a quarter of 
our loans average $1,600. Also, as you mentioned, checking, we 
not only have free checking, we pay interest in checking. And 
20 percent of our checking accounts have $100 balance or less 
at the end of the month. So, they not only get free checking 
for that, they get interest on that, as well. I don't think we 
are unique in the credit union industry.
    Mr. CHOCOLA. Ms. May?
    Ms. MAY. While I don't have the exact numbers with me, he 
is absolutely right. Indiana is not unique. Our 247,000 
members, the average balance overall is $4,000 in their deposit 
accounts in total. In a financial cooperative, you have those 
who have, and those who don't have. So, it takes a few very 
large depositing members to make available the moneys that we 
can lend out to those who don't have. We make $200 loans on a 
regular daily basis. We make loans for eyeglasses, for 
dentures--whatever it takes to improve our members' lives.
    Mr. CHOCOLA. Are those profitable loans?
    Ms. MAY. No. Our tax-exemption allows us to make those 
loans. There are a number of loans that we make that are not 
profitable. We participate actively in a bond program in our 
city, and there is no profit in those loans, either; but we are 
able to put a good number of people, first-time homebuyers, 
into homes. Twenty-six percent of the mortgage loans we made 
last year were for first-time home buyers. We put out over $3 
million just in bond money, which is low-interest downpayment 
assistance money. The tax-exemption does allow us to do 
business the way we are able to do business, to help our 
members--our members, your constituents.
    Mr. PLAGGE. Our bank offers the same things: free checking, 
free ATM, free money markets, free Internet banking, all those 
kinds of things. We do small loans. We do a variety of direct 
loans, credit cards, home equity lines, all those kinds of 
things the same way. We are not unusual in the community 
banking industry. As an industry, though, there are lots of 
statistics out there that the credit union industry actually 
has a higher-wealth membership than our customer base is in the 
community banking world. There are plenty of studies to show 
that as well again, and I think it is actually part of my 
testimony.
    Mr. MACOMBER. There is no one here that is running a 
private bank. We are taking customers regardless of their 
background. Again, the statistics that came out, there was a 
survey I mentioned earlier that goes back to 2003 that 
indicates that small community banks do a better job of serving 
low- and moderate-income individuals than credit unions do. So, 
I think you can focus in on certain statistics, but I think 
that is pretty much where we are. I think everything we have 
heard today from the industry, from the credit union industry 
itself, supports that position.
    Mr. HAYES. We are community bankers. That is our community. 
I mean, that is who our customers are. When you have $8-, $10-
an-hour jobs that you worked hard to bring into your community, 
I mean, you are going to take care of those people. Having been 
in a community bank, I believe you understand that those 
customers that we all probably have are similar. There is just 
one difference.
    Mr. CHOCOLA. Well, thank you. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. Does the gentlewoman 
from Ohio wish to inquire?
    Ms. TUBBS JONES. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I always am in 
amazement, having sat as a judge for about 10 years, when I 
bring people into my chambers for pre-trial discussion. I say, 
``Plaintiff, tell me what is going on,'' and I say, 
``Defendant, tell me what is going on.'' I realize I have to 
wade through all of it to understand, myself. I am always 
amazed at why one or the other of the financial institutions in 
this community seem to think they are better than the other, or 
they are at a disadvantage, or whatever. But I understand the 
next thing on the loom is when Wal-Mart gets to become an 
industrial bank.
    Mr. HAYES. Yes, ma'am.
    Ms. TUBBS JONES. All of you are going to be at my desk, 
telling me, ``Don't let it happen,'' right?
    Mr. HAYES. You don't want to get me started on that.
    Ms. TUBBS JONES. Don't get you started, huh?
    Mr. HAYES. How long do you have?
    Ms. TUBBS JONES. All right, I'll just ring a bell in the 
room here.
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. TUBBS JONES. I really think, Mr. Chairman--and I would 
suggest this--that there might be a forum in which we might be 
better able to have a discussion like this--because members are 
restricted to 5 minutes--if there are truly issues that anybody 
needs to address to make themselves stronger in the job that 
they do. Clearly, our goal is that our constituents are served, 
no matter what institution it is that is in our community. We 
all really want to try and be supportive. Maybe there is a 
forum in which we could literally sit down, maybe with all the 
credit unions talking about what it is we see, or they need to 
do, or with all the community banks, with all the other ones. 
Then maybe try and bring them all in the same room--without 
boxing gloves--and have a discussion about finances in America. 
I thought I would ask another question, Mr. Chairman, but I 
know, like all of my colleagues, we are probably at the end of 
questions. I just put that on the table as a possibility that 
we might engage in down in the future. Also, it makes it not 
seem as if there is an environment operating here to support or 
not support any institution. I yield back the balance of my 
time, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentlewoman. The problem in part 
is that it depends on how you ask the question, as to what you 
get in answer. If are a common bond union and you belong to a 
corporation and everybody is employed, then you don't have 
extremely low-income, as people would define low-income. But 
you also oftentimes don't have very high income. So, on 
average, you may be higher than someone else, or in fact you 
may not be. When you talk about including under-served areas, 
that doesn't mean that you are necessarily serving people who 
are low-income in the under-served area; unless, of course, you 
can produce the data that shows that. Part of the discussion 
has been that, unfortunately, in the Chair's opinion, the 
agency that is created to oversee the structure seems to not 
understand that the ability to produce data is a very positive 
thing which can make a point and which provides an early 
warning system if in fact certain things are going in 
particular directions. It seems to be that the people are more 
comfortable simply saying ``I believe, and therefore it is.'' 
Now, in some instances, you can get an answer that shows you 
how comfortable people are when they say ``I believe.'' Vice 
Admiral Dawson, you folks, what is your structure? Common bond, 
multiple bond?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Common bond.
    Chairman THOMAS. You are a common bond. Now, we have gone a 
little out of the color marks of Navy. It is navy family, even 
if they are civilians; but it is on bases, so you are looking 
at Navy. You are enormous in size.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Navy and Marine Corps, yes, sir.
    Chairman THOMAS. Navy and Marine Corps together. You have 
got to include those. But you are enormous in size. But you 
have a common thread which I think is fairly clear, but you 
extend it to families.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Yes, sir.
    Chairman THOMAS. How far out does the family tree go? 
Obviously, husband or wife.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Husband or wife.
    Chairman THOMAS. Obviously, children.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Children, mothers.
    Chairman THOMAS. Mothers.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Yes. My mother is a member.
    Chairman THOMAS. Well, therefore, fathers, I assume.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Fathers, yes.
    Chairman THOMAS. Okay. Is that it?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Yes, sir.
    Chairman THOMAS. Ms. May, you folks have decided to take it 
one more jump; is that correct?
    Ms. MAY. That is correct. We were originally Federal Civil 
Service workers and their family members.
    Chairman THOMAS. But that was a common bond.
    Ms. MAY. That was a common bond.
    Chairman THOMAS. But you are not a common bond any more?
    Ms. MAY. We are now a community, the El Paso County.
    Chairman THOMAS. Right. But you are also under the state 
structure, right?
    Ms. MAY. I am also under state structure.
    Chairman THOMAS. Yes. You are state, and he is Federal.
    Ms. MAY. That is correct.
    Chairman THOMAS. Yes. But you don't just stop at mother, 
father, sons, and daughters. You include----
    Ms. MAY. Pretty much everybody in El Paso County is 
related, so that pretty well handles my community.
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Is that why you decided to go to first 
cousins?
    [Laughter.]
    Ms. MAY. Well, you know, first cousin really was--that is 
pretty far out there.
    Chairman THOMAS. But you cover first cousins.
    Ms. MAY. We cover first cousins.
    Chairman THOMAS. If someone comes in and says, ``I am a 
first cousin----''
    Ms. MAY. But typically, they qualify because they live in 
El Paso County. We only have offices in El Paso County.
    Chairman THOMAS. You clearly serve under-served areas.
    Ms. MAY. Absolutely.
    Chairman THOMAS. Do you believe that if you are now going 
to respond to an under-served area, and you put an ATM in 
there, that that really meets the financial services of an 
under-served area?
    Ms. MAY. I can only respond for GECU.
    Chairman THOMAS. That is why I am asking you.
    Ms. MAY. We have placed offices--12,000-square-foot 
building--in, I'd say, the southeast side of El Paso, which is 
primarily Hispanic. In fact, every sign we have in that office, 
every brochure we have in that office, is in the Spanish 
language. This is what I would consider an under-served area, 
and it is a very successful branch. We are very proud of what 
we do in that branch.
    Chairman THOMAS. Don't you find, though, that if you are 
really going to try to service an under-served area, one, you 
probably have to have a facility, because they are not as 
knowledgeable about the way things work; you have to have 
people who speak their language; and the counseling has to be 
far more supportive than it would be in an non-under-served 
area?
    Ms. MAY. In my city, that is true.
    Chairman THOMAS. Yes.
    Ms. MAY. As I say, we are Hispanic. It is face-to-face, 
mano-a-mano. We speak the language, we share the common 
culture, quite honestly.
    Chairman THOMAS. But you are saying that probably an ATM 
would not----
    Ms. MAY. Not in my city.
    Chairman THOMAS. --satisfy?
    Ms. MAY. No, sir.
    Chairman THOMAS. That is why I find it interesting that 
there has been an attempt to move ATMs as satisfactory in 
under-served areas. That seems to me to be looking at outreach 
far more similar to these fellows over here, who are driven by 
the profit motive, by which we temper that with taxes, because 
all they want to do is just make money. The credit unions don't 
want to just make money; they want to serve an area. But it 
seems to me, as I said, ATMs, period. Admiral, have you ever 
discussed going beyond the common bond in terms of structure; 
multiple bond or community?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. No, sir, not at our credit union.
    Chairman THOMAS. I mean, if you push this community thing 
anywhere a ship sails, you guys have got a pretty interesting 
territory.
    [Laughter.]
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Girlfriends are not permitted to join.
    Chairman THOMAS. Okay. Ports of call, I mean, you know.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Girlfriends are not permitted to join.
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Now, I am going to ask you, and I am going 
to ask Ms. May, and I know it is difficult because you are here 
representing organizations, and not yourselves, and you may not 
want to answer this question. If you choose not to, I 
understand. Ms. May, you saw a need in the community, and so 
the community concept and outreach with the state structure 
made sense to you.
    Ms. MAY. Yes, sir.
    Chairman THOMAS. Do you have any minor discomfort about the 
concept that a geographic or community structure would include 
Los Angeles County, with all of the rich and the poor and the 
millions of people?
    Ms. MAY. I guess my simple response to that would be, a 
credit union is a financial cooperative. In order to have a 
cooperative, you have to have those who have, and those who 
have not. Those who have make deposits, so that those who don't 
have can borrow moneys.
    Chairman THOMAS. That wasn't my question, but I understand 
the difficulty you would have in answering a question like 
that. Based upon the way you answered it, I really thank you 
very much.
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Vice Admiral, do you get any qualm at all 
about an area which is supposed to be local that has a 
population greater than 42 states?
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Sir, I have just been aboard 11 
months. I would have to look at what that is all about. I am 
not familiar with that.
    Chairman THOMAS. You see, I think you are comfortable and 
people are comfortable with you because, in essence, it is Navy 
family, or people who are close to Navy family.
    Vice Admiral DAWSON. Right.
    Chairman THOMAS. So, you feel comfortable with that; 
notwithstanding the fact that you are millions, and have got 
billions. But there is a comfort level based upon that nexus. I 
am just trying to get my arms around the nexus of LA County. 
That is part of my problem. But I appreciate your narrow 
answer--which could have been different, and wasn't. So, I 
appreciate it very much. Does the gentleman from New York wish 
to inquire?
    Mr. RANGEL. I just wanted to thank Ms. May. I have heard 
that just her presence here and her presentation has made you a 
very pleasant Chair here and changed the whole atmosphere----
    [Laughter.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Oh, not at all.
    Mr. RANGEL. Well, I just heard that, so let me say----
    Chairman THOMAS. It was actually the fact that you were 
gone.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. RANGEL. Okay. Ms. May, I just want you to know that I 
may be calling you from time to time----
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. RANGEL. You know, just to just be here and sit here and 
be your pleasant self.
    [Laughter.]
    Mr. RANGEL. Let me thank all of you for making it possible 
that we understand the problem better. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. Let me say, if you understood 
the discussion on the first panel, that the fear that we are 
simply out as a cash cow to find money where people aren't 
paying taxes should not be thought of as the particular thrust. 
Our concern is with how a changing structure, not justified or 
documented is fulfilling its responsibilities. Obviously, Ms. 
May, in the basis of how you grew up and what you did and where 
it is, that is the kind of thing that is documented. Then the 
question is, ``Okay, so why?`` That is a second decision. But 
given the structure movement with definition and obviously 
displayed by small bankers who I think partly have some envy of 
the loans made to these massive buildings and major companies, 
which is something they would be desirous of--does that really 
focus on a mission statement? But to the extent that the 
mission statement is seen totally as the organization or the 
structure of the organization doesn't focus on the social 
assistance aspect to it, I do believe we have a problem because 
the lines are getting blurred. That is where we have to spend 
more time focusing on that line to get it clear; rather than 
what I think is a blurring which generates a degree of 
criticism, which in part has led to this hearing, but which 
also is simply something systematically this Committee needs to 
do under the oversight structure.
    We let people do what they do without paying taxes. 
Periodically, we have to stop by and say, ``How are things 
going? Because I have got people who are paying taxes, and they 
want to know why you don't pay taxes.'' That is what this 
hearing is all about. Thank you very much. If we will have the 
third panel, I want to thank the third panel for their 
patience. But apparently, I don't have to, because the first 
name on the third panel is someone who is very familiar with 
the way this place works. It is a pleasure to have before this 
Committee a former member, a former colleague, a former 
Representative from New Hampshire, Norm D'Amours. We have 
Gordon V.--is it Karels?
    Dr. KARELS. Karels.
    Chairman THOMAS. Karels, thank you, Karels, who is the 
Associate Dean, College of Business Administration, at the 
University of Nebraska; John Taylor, who is the President and 
Chief Executive Officer of the National Community Reinvestment 
Coalition; and Constance Kennelly--``Kennelly''? It is 
pronounced ``Kennelly''? I thought it was ``Kennelly,'' but 
they put it ``Kennelly,'' because we had a former member of the 
Committee who we had as ``Kennelly.'' Of Tulane-Loyola Credit 
Union in New Orleans, Louisiana. All of you have submitted 
written testimony. It will be made a part of the record. During 
the time that you have, you can address the Committee as you 
see fit. If you will allow me, I will start with our former 
colleague, Mr. D'Amours.

 STATEMENT OF HON. NORMAN E. D'AMOURS, A FORMER REPRESENTATIVE 
 IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE; FORMER CHAIRMAN, 
              NATIONAL CREDIT UNION ADMINISTRATION

    Mr. D'AMOURS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member 
Rangel, Members of this Committee. I am here today, at the 
request of this Committee, to offer my perspective on the 
performance of credit unions in serving low-income Americans, 
as they were dedicated to do by their founders, their history, 
their traditions and, very importantly, by the U.S. Congress in 
the 1934 Credit Union Act and the 1998 Credit Union Membership 
Access Act. In my opinion, the majority of credit unions are 
holding true to their mission of focusing on low-income members 
and potential members. However, this majority controls a 
relatively small minority of the total assets of the credit 
union system, and this majority has little or no voice in 
setting the direction and priorities of the overall direction 
of the credit union system. The founders of the credit union 
movement insisted that unpaid volunteers would control a not-
for-profit system, run on sound business principles by people 
who were not out for personal enrichment, and who would focus 
on low-income Americans.
    The reality today is that a small minority of large credit 
unions have created a tightly-controlled and intimidating 
structure, controlled not by volunteers, but by professionals 
who pursue growth for its own sake, and who profit quite 
handsomely from that growth. Those in control are uncomfortable 
with, and even at times in denial of, the traditional credit 
union obligation to focus on low-income people. They fear there 
is just not enough profit in that. When I was Chairman of the 
NCUA, I attempted to refocus the system on low-income credit 
unions and low-income people who belong to those credit unions 
and to other credit unions. That effort was resisted by the 
major credit union trade groups and by some larger credit 
unions. Also, as Chairman of NCUA, I tried to effectively 
measure the performance of credit unions in serving low-income 
people. Those efforts were defeated by the NCUA board because 
of strong opposition by trade groups and some credit unions.
    There have been several objective studies over the past six 
years providing substantial evidence that credit unions as a 
whole are not serving low-income people adequately. These 
studies, by Dr. John Caskey of Swarthmore College in 
Pennsylvania, by the Woodstock Institute of Chicago, by the 
GAO, by the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, conclude 
that in many cases banks serve more low-income Americans than 
do credit unions, and credit unions aren't sufficiently focused 
on low-income people. You can ignore these studies if you 
choose to, but they are there. There is also strong evidence 
that, while touting their performance in serving low-income 
people, some credit unions and their trade groups fiercely 
resist any meaningful effort to effectively measure that 
performance, just as they did when I was Chairman of NCUA.
    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I am not here to 
suggest that credit unions should lose their tax-exemption. 
However, as both a taxpayer and a strong supporter of credit 
union ideals, I do think credit unions should be held 
accountable for their tax advantages that they are provided. 
This tax advantage is based on the traditional focus of credit 
unions on people of small means. Congress needs to mandate and 
oversee measurable standards requiring credit unions to focus 
on serving low-income Americans. This effort is going to have 
to come from this Committee and from this Congress. It will 
surely not come from the current credit union structure, and it 
will not come from the NCUA. A good first step might be an 
effective survey of credit union performance in serving people 
of small means. That action might begin the process of 
injecting needed transparency into a closed system. The 
Woodstock Institute study, by the way, in 2003, did suggest 
other steps that perhaps this Committee could look at.
    Lacking strong congressional direction, I believe it is a 
virtual certainty that the credit union system will continue to 
veer further and further off course, and this to the great 
detriment of low-income Americans and to America itself. Mr. 
Chairman, there are hundreds and hundreds of small credit 
unions out there greatly in need of assistance. They aren't 
getting that assistance; meaning their low-income members 
aren't getting the help and assistance that they need. I hope 
this Committee will, after this hearing, follow up and see to 
it that the steps we have discussed, and that I have mentioned 
in my written testimony, and that the Woodstock Institute 
outlined, will be considered. I thank you for your attention. I 
will be glad to answer questions, when the moment arises.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. D'Amours follows:]
   Statement of Hon. Norman E. D'Amours, a former Representative in 
Congress from the State of New Hampshire, and former Chairman, National 
                      Credit Union Administration
    Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee, I am here today at the 
request of the Committee to comment on the performance of credit unions 
in serving low income people who belong to a credit union or are within 
its field of membership.
    I have had the opportunity to observe credit unions from various 
perspectives for about thirty years. I served on the U.S. Congressional 
Financial Services Committee (then called the Banking Committee) from 
1975 to 1985. After leaving Congress in 1985 I was hired by the Credit 
Union National Association (CUNA) as a legislative lobbyist and acted 
in that capacity until 1993. In that year, I was confirmed by the U.S. 
Senate to the Board of the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) 
which regulates and/or insures almost all of America's credit unions. I 
was immediately appointed chairman of that Board and served in that 
position until I left the NCUA in December of 2000.
    I have been informed that the purpose of today's meeting is to 
address the concerns of some Committee members that credit unions may 
have strayed from their traditional mission of serving people of small 
means, meaning low-income people, as that mission is imposed upon them 
in the preamble of the 1934 Credit Union Act and re-imposed in the 1998 
Credit Union Membership Access Act.
    Credit unions were introduced into the United States in the early 
part of the last century through the efforts of wealthy department 
store owner Edward Filene, Massachusetts banking commissioner Pierre 
Jay, Massachusetts attorney Roy Bergengren, Monseigneur Pierre Hevey 
from my hometown of Manchester, New Hampshire and other leaders who 
were united by their desire to bring fairly priced financial services 
to lower income people.
    These early credit union movement leaders strictly insisted that 
credit unions should not be based upon a profit motive. They were 
adamant in their belief that unpaid volunteer directors of credit 
unions would govern the operations of financially sound institutions 
with no thought of personal financial benefit and based on sound 
business principles. They intended credit unions to work together as 
cooperatives to help instill habits and values of thrift and prudent 
borrowing to people who were not financially sophisticated and who did 
not have access to the mainstream financial institutions of that day. 
These were the Americans targeted by financial predators. Their efforts 
helped countless Americans find their way to financial solvency and 
independence.
    The underlying realities that led to the formation of credit unions 
are very much in existence in today's America. Credit unions are still 
very much needed to carry out their traditional functions. It is not 
only the low-income members of credit unions who are helped by 
traditional credit unions. The American free enterprise financial 
system benefits when more and more Americans are empowered to join the 
financial mainstream by breaking the shackles placed on them by 
predatory lenders. By admitting them to membership in credit unions, 
low-income people immediately acquire an ownership stake in their 
institution. They benefit from higher returns on their savings and 
lower interest rates on their loans because of the credit unions unpaid 
directors, its not for profit structure and, of course, its exemption 
from taxes. I am told that there are a few credit unions that still 
give periodic or end of year dividend bonuses and interest rate rebates 
to their members when the credit union has had a good year. This 
practice is not remotely as common today as it once was for reasons I 
will touch on later.
    Mr. Chairman and members of this committee, I am convinced that the 
credit union philosophy espoused by the movements founders is a 
beautiful thing. It is consistent with America's promise of self-
empowerment. It is consistent with the American dream of the 
accumulation of assets and wealth that gives our citizens the sense of 
pride, accomplishment and independence that in turn makes our country 
stronger.
    I come to you speaking as someone who is deeply committed to the 
traditional focus of credit unions on low income Americans. It is from 
that perspective that I can assure this committee that its concerns 
about credit unions having strayed from their mission are not 
misplaced. They are very well grounded in reality. In fact, there are 
many people both within and outside of the credit union community who 
share that concern.
    During the seven years that I was at NCUA, I made several efforts 
to position that agency to pay more attention to small credit unions 
and low-income credit unions. Such credit unions are more apt to be 
made up of low-income members. Those efforts were surprisingly 
difficult to advance because of strong resistance from credit union 
trade groups and some credit unions.
    In 1997, I attempted to persuade the NCUA Board to approve a 
requirement that community based credit unions should include in their 
business plans a short statement of the general efforts they would make 
to serve and reach out to low income members of the community they were 
chartered to serve. This modest and reasonable effort was also strongly 
resisted by the major credit union trade groups. In October of 2000, 
after several permutations, it finally passed as the Community Action 
Plan (CAP). I left the NCUA at the end of 2000. The NCUA Board repealed 
CAP in December of 2001 just weeks before it was to take effect.
    In 1999, Dr. John Caskey, of Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania, 
conducted a study of full service credit unions. Dr. Caskey concluded 
that many and perhaps most of those credit unions were not making 
efforts to reach out to low income Americans. Dr. Caskey also concluded 
that while some credit unions were making stellar efforts to serve 
people of modest means, many others were ``free riding'' on their 
backs.\1\ That is, they were benefiting politically from the efforts of 
those staying true to the traditional credit union philosophy while 
avoiding the responsibility to do so.
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    \1\ Credit Unions and Asset Accumulation by Lower Income 
Households. Filene Research Institute. July, 1999, P41
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    In 1999, I sought to measure the performance of credit unions in 
serving low income persons by having the NCUA approve a survey to 
evaluate how credit unions were reaching out to underserved members or 
potential members. The NCUA Board did approve that survey but over my 
strong objections they voted to make it a voluntary one. The survey was 
never sent out to credit unions because the Office of Management and 
Budget (OMB) weighed in to agree with my stated contention that a 
voluntary survey amounted to a self-selecting sample and would produce 
no useful data.
    In 2002, the Chicago-based Woodstock Institute conducted a study of 
credit unions that concluded credit unions were not living up to their 
traditional values and responsibilities toward low income people.
    In November of 2003, the U.S. Government Accountability Office 
(GAO) issued a report on credit unions that made three rather startling 
points. First, they found that banks were outperforming credit unions 
in serving low-income people. Second, they found the differences 
between banks and credit unions were attenuating. Third, they suggested 
that criteria should be developed by NCUA to measure credit union 
performance in serving low income Americans.
    Earlier this year the National Community Reinvestment Coalition 
(NCRC) released a very detailed study demonstrating that bankers, 
because of their Community Reinvestment Act obligations, were 
outperforming credit unions in serving low-income households and 
individuals.
    Thus, it seems clear that there is considerable evidence that 
today's credit union system is not dedicating its substantial assets 
and skills to serving low-income people, which is its traditional, 
philosophical mission and statutory purpose. It also seems clear that 
the leaders of the credit union system today do not want credit union 
performance in this regard to be measured in any meaningful way. Their 
reaction to the 2003 GAO report was that it was ``outrageous'' and they 
implied that GAO was biased.
    My personal answer to the question of whether credit unions have 
strayed from their traditional mission would be that the majority of 
credit unions have not. However, the reality is that the majority of 
credit unions control only a relatively small percentage of credit 
union assets and do not play a significant role in determining the 
direction of the credit union system as a whole.
    According to the 2003 GAO study, credit unions with over one 
billion dollars in assets account for 28 percent of all credit union 
assets but for less than 1 percent of credit unions. Credit unions 
holding over $100 million in assets account for 75 percent of total 
credit union assets but only 11 percent of all credit unions.
    In my opinion, it is this fundamental imbalance between the 
majority of credit unions and the majority of credit union assets that 
is root cause of the growing disconnect between traditional credit 
union philosophy and the systemic credit union resistance to serving 
low income people. It also helps explain the very harmful and systemic 
drift towards growth for its own sake and the increasing competition 
between credit unions within what was once a once more cooperative 
structure.
    The structure within which credit unions are operating is very 
tightly controlled, from the top down, by profit motivated 
professionals who seem to be pushing credit unions to grow just for the 
sake of growing. That is not a natural way for credit unions to grow 
and can result in a deterioration of services provided to members, 
especially those of low income. A credit union's surplus will not be 
returned to the benefit of its members if, only for the sake of 
growing, those surpluses are dedicated, for instance, to pushing new 
loan products (that may, perversely, discourage the thrift credit 
unions were by tradition and statute directed to promote); if they are 
dedicated to contracting with outside vendors for products that 
increase income from fee charges; if they are dedicated to acquiring 
smaller credit unions; if they are dedicated to paying top salaries and 
bonuses to management, and so on.
    While there are many legitimate and natural reasons for credit 
unions to grow, growth for its own sake is driven in large part by the 
understandable inclination of professionals who control credit unions 
to overly focus on higher and higher salaries and bonuses as opposed to 
serving low income members and potential members. This focus on growth, 
income and profit seems to apply both to the professionals who manage 
such credit unions and those who run the trade groups they belong to. 
That linkage results in a powerful control bloc that is pushing a 
systemic growth for growth's sake in a nearly irresistible manner.
    In my opinion, the antidote to this forced growth is the 
introduction of systems and policies that will cooperatively direct 
more of the credit union systems' assets toward serving all credit 
union members and potential members including, with special emphasis, 
low income people.
    Another complication in dealing with this problem is the fact that 
there is no one size fits all solution. Some of the largest credit 
unions do keep to the traditional philosophy and values of the original 
credit union movement. They make special efforts to reach out to low 
income people and to support small credit unions. Some of the managers 
of these large credit unions have expressed deep concern about the 
direction of the credit union movement. Unfortunately, the existing 
structure of the credit union system is so intimidating that most 
knowledgeable credit union people are afraid to speak out publicly.
    I remain hopeful that it is still practically possible today to 
redirect the concentration of credit union assets from the current 
growth frenzy into areas or programs that could be of great benefit to 
low-income Americans. Surely, that is an effort work making.
    Whatever actions might be taken to refocus the current credit union 
system on its traditional core values, I am absolutely certain of one 
reality that I hope I can adequately convey to this committee and to 
the Congress. That reality is that any effective effort to get credit 
unions as a whole to do a better job serving lower income households 
will not come from within the credit union power structure as it exists 
today. If this Congress doesn't demand it, it won't happen.
    One place to begin might be to find ways to make credit union 
structures and operations more transparent. A survey such as I tried to 
send out in 1999 and as the GAO suggested in 2003 might be helpful. 
Thus far, the current structure's leadership has successfully resisted 
transparency. Beyond resisting objective measurements, they even 
succeeded in exempting their activities from the very reasonable 
disclosures made by other not for profit 501(c) groups as required by 
IRS form 990.
    I am not here to advocate taxing credit unions. This committee and 
this Congress in its wisdom can certainly devise methods and criteria 
that will provide the American taxpayer with some assurance that the 
great benefit and advantage the tax exemption gives credit unions is 
not being abused. Hopefully, as a first step, a much greater degree of 
transparency will help root out, through exposure, some of the 
excessive profit motives that have been creeping into and seriously 
harming the system. At the least, it might give us a clearer picture of 
who the ``free riders'' are.
    Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I thank you for your 
attention and I will be pleased to address any questions you may have.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you very much. Dr. Karels?

 STATEMENT OF GORDON V. KARELS, PH.D., ASSOCIATE DEAN, COLLEGE 
   OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA-LINCOLN

    Dr. KARELS. Thank you, Chairman Thomas, Ranking Minority 
Member Rangel, and distinguished Committee Members. I want to 
express my appreciation for the invitation to testify before 
your Committee today. I just want to reiterate the main points 
of my submitted testimony: First, the rationale for credit 
unions' Federal income tax-exemption is not entirely 
transparent to me, and may no longer hold; Second, the credit 
union common bond requirement has evolved markedly since the 
granting of the tax-exemption, and no longer constrains credit 
union opportunities and incentives as it had in the past; 
Finally, the ultimate beneficiaries of the credit union tax-
exemption are very difficult to determine. To me, the rationale 
for exempting credit unions from federal income tax is probably 
best understood by examining the reasons Congress eliminated 
the same exemption for mutual savings and loans and mutual 
savings banks in the Revenue Act 1951. According to the U.S. 
Treasury 2001 study, the reason for the loss of the tax-
exemption was the evolution of these associations as commercial 
bank competitors. Mutual thrifts operated in a manner similar 
to banks, and the exemption gave them a competitive advantage 
over taxable commercial banks and life insurance companies.
    That same study also indicated that the original exemption 
in 1937 was based upon their mutual nature; being operated by 
and for their members. That was also consistent with the 
original 1917 administrative exemption for state credit unions 
that were said to closely resemble the cooperative banks and 
similar institutions Congress had earlier exempted. Credit 
unions evidently had preserved their mutuality in a fashion 
such that members were not just customers in other depository 
institutions. Clearly, credit unions competed with commercial 
banks, thrifts, and savings banks in the personal lending 
market. They also offered share accounts that served as 
deposits. But their uniqueness among depository institutions is 
quite apparent; and to me, that is the affinity among their 
members with a common bond. The common bond requirements 
subject credit unions managers to restrictions not found in 
other depository institutions. Loan opportunities are limited 
in the field of memberships, so that managers are constrained 
in their ability to grow the institution, and they may not 
rapidly change the riskiness of their loan portfolio.
    In the case of credit unions with occupational common 
bonds, long the most dominant type, it also produces company 
sponsors who have an interest in monitoring the operations of 
the credit union and help promote safety and soundness. It is 
widely accepted that the mutual organizational form produces 
organizations that are not as risky as stock-based companies. 
This has been demonstrated at both banks and insurance 
companies. Some research that we did in looking at the adoption 
of federal deposit insurance by credit unions in the seventies 
found no evidence that the adoption of deposit insurance led to 
increased risk-taking in the credit industry. I think this was 
somewhat of a surprise in the academic community. We find that 
the common bond requirement helped to limit the risk-taking 
behavior of managers. In addition, loan size limitations help 
to constrain loan losses. While these limitations were relaxed 
and new types of loan and share accounts were allowed after 
1977, they influenced the overall composition of the balance 
sheets for some time.
    It is widely accepted that the NCUA's support for multiple 
employee groups grew out of concern about concentration risk. 
The recession of the 'eighties caused many industrial firms to 
close or relocate, and associated credit unions to fail. We did 
some research there, and found that the addition of select 
employee credit union groups allowed credit unions to dissipate 
some of this concentration risk; but at the same time, it 
reduced the informational advantage they had with the close 
common bond. In many ways, it seems that credit unions have 
evolved in a fashion similar to that of savings and loans 50 
years earlier. Credit unions now have many powers that allow 
them to compete directly with other depository institutions in 
many lines of business. Furthermore, the common bond has become 
diluted. The tax-exemption gives credit unions a competitive 
advantage over depository institutions, and this advantage can 
manifest itself in various ways.
    One might expect that credit unions would, because of their 
not-for-profit status, have a lower overall profitability than 
banks. As mutual organizations, the managerial priorities would 
seemingly favor competitive loans and deposit rates over profit 
levels. The emphasis on member services would also tend to 
drive up operating expenses and reduce profitability. 
Ultimately, the tax-exemption provides an avenue for credit 
unions to have a competitive advantage in loan and deposit 
rates that are still providing expanded levels of service and 
reasonable capital accumulation financed out of profits. 
Historically, we don't find that they necessarily have lower 
overall profitability. There is also mixed evidence as to 
whether they actually have lower net interest margins than 
other mutual organizations. In addition, there is mixed 
evidence as to whether credit unions are less efficient than 
other mutual types of organizations. In summary, all of these 
changes, I believe, parallel the developments that led to the 
taxing of mutual thrifts and savings banks. Deposit insurance 
has removed the issue of excessive burden of share accounts. It 
is not clear that credit union members have been the direct 
beneficiaries of the tax-exemption. At the same time, there is 
only limited evidence of expense preference behavior. Overall, 
it does not appear that a repeal of the exemption would be 
particularly detrimental to members, but would more likely 
affect the ability of credit unions to grow at the rates they 
have had in the past. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Dr. Karels follows:]
   Statement of Gordon V. Karels, Ph.D., Associate Dean, College of 
   Business Administration, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, 
                                Nebraska
    The views presented in this statement represent those of the author 
alone. The author is Associate Dean and Professor of Finance in the 
College of Business Administration at the University of Nebraska-
Lincoln and holds the Nebraska Bankers Association College Professor of 
Banking Professorship. The Professorship was created in 1992 with a 
gift from the Nebraska Bankers Association to the University of 
Nebraska Foundation. College Professorship appointments are recommended 
to the University Chancellor by the Dean of the College upon review by 
a College Faculty Chaired Professorship Committee. The Nebraska Bankers 
Association sponsors endowed professorships at two of the University of 
Nebraska campuses. It does not participate in the selection of 
professorship recipients.
    This statement addresses only the issue of the federal income tax 
exemption for credit unions and has three central points:
    I. The rationale for credit unions' federal income tax exemption is 
not entirely transparent and may no longer hold.
    II. The credit union common bond requirement has evolved markedly 
since the granting of the tax exemption and no longer constrains credit 
union opportunities and incentives as it had in the past.
    III. The ultimate beneficiaries of the credit union federal income 
tax exemption are difficult to determine.
I. Historical Development of the Tax Exemption
    There appears to be no disagreement as to the origins of mutual 
savings and credit associations or their purpose. Financial 
cooperatives such as mutual insurance companies and building 
associations emerged in the latter part of the 17th and early 18th 
century. The first credit associations were founded in Germany by 
business persons in need of financial services that were not provided 
by the existing commercial banking sector. These early organizations 
led to the development of three types of mutual depository institutions 
in the U.S.--credit unions, savings and loan associations and mutual 
savings banks--that have both complemented and competed with commercial 
banks.
    U.S. Treasury (1997) outlines five characteristics that distinguish 
credit unions from other depository institutions.

    1. Credit Unions are member-owned and member-directed cooperatives 
with each member having one vote. Technically credit union member 
deposits are the capital base of the organization. However these 
accounts also serve the traditional banking roles of checking and 
savings deposits so that over time, retained earnings serve the 
regulatory capital function.
    2. Credit Unions rely on unpaid volunteers directors elected by and 
from their members.
    3. Credit Unions are not for profit and return surplus earnings to 
members in various forms including higher returns on deposits (shares), 
lower costs of borrowing, greater financial services and retained 
earning for growth and regulatory capital needs.
    4. Credit Unions have a public purpose. The Federal Credit Union 
Act of 1934 declares that credit unions are established for ``promoting 
thrift among [their] members and creating a source of credit for 
provident or productive purposes.''
    5. Credit Unions have limitations on membership based on some 
affinity among members (``common bond'').

    All U.S. credit unions were originally state-chartered with federal 
chartering originating in 1934. State-chartered credit unions were not 
initially exempt from state or federal income taxes. An administrative 
ruling exempted state-chartered credit unions from federal income taxes 
in 1917. Federally-chartered credit unions were exempted from both 
state and federal income taxes in 1937.
    The rationale for exempting credit unions from federal income taxes 
is probably best understood by examining the reasons Congress 
eliminated the same exemption for mutual saving and loan associations 
and mutual savings banks in the Revenue Act of 1951. U.S. Treasury 
(2001) cites the Senate Report of that Act as indicating the reason for 
the loss in the tax exemption was the evolution of these associations 
as commercial bank competitors. Mutual thrifts operated in a manner 
similar to banks and the exemption gave them a competitive advantage 
over taxable commercial banks and life insurance companies.
    The 2001 Treasury study also suggest the original legislative 
exemption provided to federal credit unions in 1937 was based upon 
their mutual nature i.e., being operated by and for their members. In 
addition, taxing credit unions on their shares would be excessive 
because share accounts also function as deposits. This was consistent 
with the 1917 administrative exemption for state credit unions where 
they were said to closely resemble the cooperative banks and similar 
institutions that Congress had earlier exempted.
    Credit unions evidently had preserved their mutuality in a fashion 
such that members were not just customers as in other depository 
institutions (including mutual thrifts). Clearly, credit unions 
competed with commercial banks, thrifts and savings banks in the 
personal lending markets. They also offered share accounts that served 
the deposit function. Their uniqueness among depository institutions 
was quite apparent: an affinity among members (``common bond''). This 
affinity appears to be the significant characteristic that explains the 
maintenance of the tax exemption.
II. The Role of the Common Bond
    Credit union membership was historically limited to individuals 
sharing a common bond of occupation, association or geographical area. 
The common bond requirement subjects credit union managers to 
restrictions not found in other depository institutions. Loan 
opportunities are limited to the field of membership so managers are 
constrained in their ability to grow the institution or rapidly change 
the riskiness of the loan portfolio. In the case of credit unions with 
occupational common bonds--long the most dominant type--it also 
produces company sponsors who have an interest in monitoring the 
operations of the credit union and help promote safety and soundness.
    It is widely held that cooperative and mutually organized firms are 
less risky than their stock-owned counterparts. For example, empirical 
evidence offered by Esty (1997) finds that stock-owned thrifts had both 
riskier portfolios and higher failure rates than mutuals. Lee, Mayers, 
and Smith (1997) find that risk in the asset portfolios of stock-owned 
property-liability insurers increased markedly relative to their 
mutually owned counterparts following enactment of state guaranty fund 
laws. This is not to say, however, that the mutual form of ownership 
guarantees limited risk-taking behavior. The large number of failures 
of mutual savings and loan associations in the 1980's speaks to this 
point. Indeed, a study by Esty (1993) of 1,737 mutual thrifts operating 
in 1982, found that over 28% failed (or had tangible net worth ratios 
less than 2%) by 1988.
    Federal deposit insurance for credit unions was not instituted 
until 1971 and was not required of many state-chartered credit unions 
until the mid 1970's. A study by Karels and McClatchy (1999) found no 
evidence that the adoption of deposit insurance led to increased risk-
taking in the credit union industry. They suggest that the common bond 
requirement helped to limit the risk-taking behavior of managers as 
deposit insurance was implemented by credit unions. In addition, loan 
size limitations and maturity limitations (5 years on unsecured loans 
and 10 years on secured ones) also helped to constraint loan losses. 
While these limitations were relaxed and new types of loans and share 
accounts were allowed after 1977, they influenced overall composition 
of balance sheet for some time after.
    Beginning in 1982, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) 
reinterpreted the common bond requirement in a way to allow certain 
types of credit unions to add multiple groups referred to as ``Select 
Employee Groups'' or SEGSs. A successful court challenge to this 
interpretation eventually led to the passage of the Credit Union 
Membership Access Act of 1998, which explicitly allows for the addition 
of multiple groups to credit unions' fields-of-membership. By the time 
of the passage of that Act, over 4,000 state and federal credit unions 
had added SEGs to their memberships. By 1999, multiple common bond 
credit unions accounted for over 70 percent of total federal credit 
union assets.
    It is widely accepted that the NCUA's support of multiple employee 
groups grew out concern about concentration risk. The recession of the 
1980's caused thousand of industrial firms to close or relocate. Credit 
unions associated with such firms had limited memberships and 
subsequently experienced solvency problems. NCUA reported some 500 
federal credit union liquidations or failures in 1981 alone. Frame, 
Karels and McClatchey (2002) examined the degree to which SEGs affected 
credit union risk. We found that a greater number of SEGs is associated 
with higher loan-to-share ratios, higher loan delinquency ratios and 
lower capital ratios. These results indicate that expanded membership 
does increase investment opportunities and hence reduces concentration 
risk but the informational advantage arising form the common bonds 
becomes diluted.
    Since the passage of the Credit Union Membership Access Act, 
membership at credit unions with multiple bonds has actually declined. 
This is due in part to the rapid increase in community-charted credit 
unions. The terminology for the community field of membership allows 
for the greatest growth potential in the credit union industry and a 
significant number of federally-chartered credit unions are converting 
to community charters. Community and multiple common bond credit unions 
now account for over 80 percent of all assets in federally-chartered 
credit unions.
    Of the 50 largest federal credit unions in 2003, only seven had a 
single associational or occupational bond. Six of the largest 50 were 
community chartered and the remaining 37 were multiple bond credit 
unions. While credit unions are still predominantly in the consumer 
lending area, business and real estate and business loans now account 
for nearly 30 percent of their loan portfolios (and the larger credit 
unions have relatively higher percentages of real estate and business 
loans compared to smaller credit unions). Twenty years ago, real estate 
and business lending accounted for only about 5 percent of credit union 
loans.
    In many ways is seems that credit unions have evolved in a fashion 
similar to that of the saving and loan associations some 50 years 
earlier. Credit unions now have powers that allow them to compete 
directly with other depository institutions in many lines of business. 
Furthermore, the common bond has become diluted. The tax exemption 
gives credit union a competitive advantage over other depository 
institutions and this advantage can manifest itself in various ways. 
III. Who Benefits from the Tax Exemption?
    Credit union's tax exemption would be expected to manifest itself 
in one or more of the following ways:

    1. Higher deposit rates for members.
    2. Lower loan rates for members.
    3. Expanded services and products for members.
    4. Higher capital ratios fund future growth or enhance safety and 
soundness.
    5. Consumption perks for employees.

    One might expect that credit unions would, because of their not-
for-profit status, have lower overall profitability than banks. As 
mutual organizations, the managerial priority would seemingly favor 
competitive deposit and loan rates over profit levels. The emphasis on 
member services would also tend to drive up operating expenses and 
hence reduce profitability. Ultimately, the tax exemption provides an 
avenue for credit unions to have a competitive advantage in loan and 
deposit rates while still providing expanded service levels and 
reasonable capital accumulation levels that are financed out of 
profits.
    Historically we do not observe credit unions having lower overall 
profitability than banks and thrifts. This may reflect the underlying 
risk of the loan portfolio position rather than managerial motives. 
Hinson and Juras (2002) examined this issue by comparing the spread 
between loan and deposit returns for credit unions and mutual savings 
and loans. Mutual thrifts were chosen as the comparison organization to 
control for the impact of ownership form on the profit motive of 
managers. They found that credit unions do not, on average, have lower 
net interest margins than mutual thrifts after adjusting for 
differences in the composition the loan portfolio and assets. They 
interpret this finding as evidence that credit unions are not passing 
along a significant portion of their tax exemption to members and may 
instead be using it to cover higher operating expenses.
     Using the exemption to provide for managerial perks or to 
subsidize operating inefficiencies would misallocate the exemption 
benefits away from credit union members. Frame, Karels and McClatchey 
(2003) examine this question by estimating and comparing the cost 
functions of credit unions and mutual thrifts. We found mixed evidence 
in this regard. Credit unions with a residential common bond do have 
higher cost than mutual thrifts of similar size but single common bond 
occupational and associational credit unions are more cost efficient. 
There were no significant cost differences between multiple common bond 
credit unions and mutual thrifts
    The profitability of credit unions has played an important role in 
accumulating regulatory capital. Both banks and credit unions have 
increased their capital by roughly the same proportion in the last 20 
years. Credit unions did this in the first half of the period where 
profitability was relatively higher than banks and banks have done it 
in the second half of the period where they have been relatively more 
profitable than credit unions. In addition, growth in credit unions 
through common bond expansion or conversion to community charters has 
been more extensive in the last half of this period and this was 
accompanied by very limited increases in capital adequacy. Banks and 
credit unions appear to have converged to similar capital positions 
that are much stronger than in the past with asset portfolios and 
product lines that are much more similar.
Conclusion
    Credit unions have matured and evolved greatly since the passage of 
the 1951 Revenue Act. Credit Unions are now modern depository 
institutions that offer a broad array of products to, in many 
instances, a very diverse customer base. Customer shares accounts have 
the added feature of deposit insurance which limits potential customer 
losses to near zero. Expanded lending powers allow credit unions to 
compete for residential mortgages longer-term, unsecured personal loans 
and business loans. Traditional, single-common bond associational and 
occupational credit unions now account for less than 50 percent of 
federally-chartered credit unions and for less than 20 percent of 
credit union assets. Credit union capital adequacy is very similar to 
that of commercial banks.
    All of these changes parallel the developments that led to the 
taxing of mutual thrifts and savings banks. Deposit insurance has 
largely removed the issue of the excessive burden of share accounts 
cited in the 1937 exemption. It is not clear that credit union members 
have been the direct beneficiaries of the tax exemption. At the same 
time there is only limited evidence of expense preference behavior on 
the part of credit unions. Overall it does not appear that a repeal of 
the exemption would not be particularly detrimental to members but 
would more likely affect the ability of credit unions to grow at the 
rates they have in the past.
    The ``public purpose'' characteristic is often cited as 
justification for the favorable tax and regulatory environment of 
credit unions. Extending financial services to individuals of small or 
modest means was embedded in the original common bond concept for 
credit unions. Credit unions have been very effective in providing 
services to its members but it is also apparent that banks, thrifts and 
other financial institutions also serve people of very modest means. If 
fact, one could argue that CRA reporting requirements provide better 
documentation of this public purpose for banks than credit unions.
    There is obvious concern that the removal of the tax exemption will 
ultimately hurt individuals of modest means the most. While the 
evidence does not seem to point to that, perhaps other tax policies 
that provide direct benefits to these individuals instead of potential 
indirect benefits through a financial intermediary should be 
considered. Alternatively, providing for a class of loans to 
individuals of modest means that has an interest income exemption for 
all financial institutions (such as municipal bonds) might result in 
competition that more directly benefits individuals.
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    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you very much, Dr. Karels. Mr. 
Taylor.

    STATEMENT OF JOHN TAYLOR, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
       OFFICER, NATIONAL COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT COALITION

    Mr. TAYLOR. Good afternoon, Chairman Thomas and Ranking 
Member Rangel. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition is 
honored to be here today and to speak for our 600 community 
organizations across the country that comprise our membership. 
We are essentially a trade association of economic justice 
organizations working to increase access to credit and capital 
for minority and working-class families. The fundamental 
purpose and basis of establishing credit unions is the same as 
for the Community Reinvestment Act. The establishment of credit 
unions and the passage of CRA were motivated by concerns that 
lending institutions were not serving low- and moderate-income 
borrowers. When banks do not meet their CRA obligations, they 
face ramifications, including failing their CRA exams and 
possible denials of mergers and branching applications. When 
credit unions do not serve low- and moderate-income borrowers 
and communities, the penalties are non-existent. Unfortunately, 
NCRC's research indicates that large credit unions are not 
adhering to the mandate of the Federal Credit Union Act 1934 to 
``make credit available to people of small means.''
    Recently, NCRC conducted a comprehensive study, entitled 
``Credit Unions: True to Their Mission,'' which I believe we 
have supplied to the Committee. This study compared the 
performance of banks and credit unions serving minority 
communities and women and low-income borrowers in home loans. 
Despite credit unions' origins as institutions devoted to 
people of modest means, NCRC's study finds that banks make a 
higher portion of their home loans, with fewer loan denials, 
than credit unions, to traditionally under-served populations. 
The NCRC's study adds powerful evidence to the numerous studies 
over the years that have detailed credit unions' lackluster 
service to people of modest means. I am not including all 
credit unions because, obviously, some of them do an extremely 
good job. But I am talking about the majority of these credit 
unions, the large credit unions that constitute--I think we 
have a chart somewhere; it is not up--but that constitute the--
could someone run over and put that chart up on the percentage 
of ownership?
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    If you look in terms of the percentage of assets that are 
controlled by a small number of credit unions, that is the 
group we are really focusing on and their lack of commitment 
toward under-served populations. A Federal Reserve survey 
revealed recently--and there was an earlier question from the 
panel about what income was being served--that 36 percent of 
the households that use credit unions had low and moderate 
incomes; in contrast to 42 percent of the households that 
primarily use banks. The GAO released a report finding that 
banks provided 34 percent of their mortgage loans to low- and 
moderate-income borrowers; while credit unions issued just 27 
percent of the loans to borrowers in 2001. The NCRC's study 
finds over a three-year period, from 2001 to 2003, when all 
types of home lending are considered, banks out-perform credit 
unions in 36 states; or 72 percent of the states. When just 
home purchase lending is analyzed by itself, credit union 
performance drops off even more. Banks out-perform credit 
unions in 40 of the 50 states; or 80 percent of the time.
    In home purchase lending, the difference in bank and credit 
union performance was usually substantial. For example, in 
2003, banks made 14.1 percent of their loans to minority 
neighborhoods; whereas credit unions issued just 7.9 percent. 
In 2003, banks made 21 percent of their home purchase loans to 
women; credit unions issued 18.7 percent of their loans to 
women across the country. In 2003, banks made 9 percent of 
their home purchase loans to Hispanics; credit unions, 4.8 
percent to Hispanics across the country. In your home State of 
California, Mr. Chairman, banks made 18.3 percent of their home 
purchase loans to Hispanics; while credit unions issued 12.4 
percent to borrowers in 2003. In your home State of New York, 
Ranking Member Rangel, banks made 16.6 percent of their home 
purchase loans in minority neighborhoods; while credit unions 
issued just 5.1 percent in these tracts during 2003.
    Finally, banks made 5.6 percent of their home purchase 
loans to African-Americans; whereas credit unions issued just 
2.8 percent of their purchase loans to African-Americans in 
2003. In preparing for this testimony, NCRC conducted analysis 
of the most recent data, the 2004 HMDA data, Home Mortgage 
Disclosure Act data. This analysis shows once again that credit 
unions trail banks in making loans to minorities, to women, and 
to low- and moderate-income borrowers and communities. The 
chart in our testimony shows that banks exceeded credit union 
performance on all nine CRA and fair lending indicators. In 
addition, the largest credit unions--Navy Federal Credit Union, 
who you just heard from, and Golden 1 in California--also 
performed poorly. Navy Federal lags all credit unions on five 
of the nine indicators of performance, and Navy Federal lags 
all banks and thrifts on eight of the nine indicators of 
performance.
    I think the question posed by the gentleman from North 
Dakota is a very accurate one, about the presence of so much 
predatory lending business butting up to and surrounding 
military bases. It begs the question: if the Navy Federal 
Credit Union is doing such a great job and serving people in 
the Service, why are they surrounded by predatory lending, 
payday lenders, and other kinds of sharks that are literally 
across the street from the bases where the men and women of 
Service, as the President of the Navy Credit Union pointed out, 
are being taken advantage of? Let me close by saying large 
credit unions and their trade associations should not be 
comfortable in arguing to Members of Congress that, while 
credit unions lag banks, credit unions are getting better. 
Their tax benefits and other privileges dictate that they 
should be better. More importantly, you are right, Mr. 
Chairman. Why would Congress be satisfied with credit unions 
lagging banks, considering the valuable benefits bestowed on 
these institutions by the American taxpayer?
    In my home State of Massachusetts, we actually have CRA for 
credit unions. If you look at our study and you look at the 
performance of state-run, state-mandated credit unions compared 
to banks, guess what? With the presence of CRA, they perform 
just the same as banks in terms of serving low-income, 
minorities, and women. The NCRC recognizes that a significant 
segment of the credit union industry remains devoted to serving 
people of modest means. But don't be misled that Ms. May 
constitutes anything near what the majority of the credit 
unions are made up of--the majority of number of credit unions, 
certainly; but in terms of who controls the assets, it is a 
very, very different picture. By the way, I have got to say, 
just as an aside, I really love all this conversation from the 
majority, talking about the need to increase access to credit 
and capital for under-served people, for poor people and people 
of modest means. I hope that carries over in a lot of other 
ways. Because I think you are absolutely right on in that 
perspective, because it continues to be a problem. Predatory 
lending is growing in this country.
    Taking the time to really look at institutions that get 
public benefit, whether it is from depositors' insurance; 
applied guarantees like the GSC's, the ``too big to fail''; or 
whether it is credit unions having tax-exemption--which by the 
way, for the record, we continue to support the tax-exemption 
for these credit unions; but we think the most wise avenue for 
the credit unions, for CUMAA and the large credit unions to 
take, and the wisdom that they could show the rest of the 
industry, would be to endorse the CRA-like applications so 
there is a level playingfield between those community banks and 
other banks, and that they have to serve under-served 
populations, which is what they have not been doing. Thank you, 
Mr. Chairman, for your indulgence.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Taylor follows:]
   Statement of John Taylor, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
               National Community Reinvestment Coalition
Introduction
    Good Afternoon, Chairman Thomas and Ranking Minority Member Rangel. 
NCRC is honored to be here today as the voice for over 600 community 
organizations from across the country that comprises the National 
Community Reinvestment Coalition. NCRC is the nation's economic justice 
trade association dedicated to increasing access to credit and capital 
for minority and working class families. Our member organizations 
represent communities from your congressional districts. These 
organizations include the California Reinvestment Coalition, the 
Greenlining Institute, Inner City Press/Community on the Move, and 
Rural Opportunities, Inc. We appreciate you convening today's hearing 
on an issue that our members have been addressing for the last several 
years.
    When NCRC first started analyzing credit union performance, we were 
hoping that we would find that the credit union industry, by and large, 
was adhering to mandate of the Federal Credit Union Act of 1934 to 
``make credit more available to people of small means.'' Our research 
indicates that a very important segment of the industry, community 
development credit unions, is devoted to serving the working poor and 
modest income customers. As a disclaimer, some of the leading community 
development credit unions in the country are NCRC members, including 
the Bethex Federal Credit Union in New York City, the Enterprise 
Corporation of the Delta based in the Gulf region afflicted by 
Hurricane Katrina, and the North Side Community Federal Credit Union in 
Chicago. In addition to the community development credit unions, we do 
not doubt that a number of traditional credit unions have also stayed 
true to the 1934 law. However, we have found repeatedly that large 
credit unions have strayed from their mission and the letter and spirit 
of the Federal Credit Union Act.
    The fundamental purpose and basis of establishing credit unions is 
the same as for the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). The establishment 
of credit unions and the passage of CRA were motivated by concerns that 
lending institutions were not serving low- and moderate-income 
borrowers. Congress therefore passed legislation creating credit unions 
as lending institutions focused on low- and moderate-income communities 
and borrowers, and then Congress imposed upon banks a continuing and 
affirmative obligation to serve low- and moderate-income borrowers. 
When banks do not meet their CRA obligations, they face ramifications 
including failing their CRA exams and/or denials of merger and 
branching applications. When credit unions do not serve low- and 
moderate-income borrowers and communities, the penalties appear to be 
non-existent.
NCRC's Study Agrees with a Substantial Body of Research--Large Credit 
        Unions Need to Do a Better Job In reaching Minorities, Women, 
        and Low-Income Borrowers
    Recently, the National Community Reinvestment Coalition (NCRC) 
conducted a comprehensive study, entitled ``Credit Unions: True to 
their Mission.'' This study compared the performance of banks and 
credit unions in serving minorities, women, and low- and moderate-
income borrowers with home loans. Despite credit unions' origins as 
institutions devoted to people of modest means, NCRC's study finds that 
banks make a higher portion of their home loans with fewer loan denials 
than credit unions to traditionally underserved populations. NCRC's 
study is the first that we know of that has compared credit union and 
bank performance in home lending over three years across the country as 
a whole and in each state. A copy of the report can be found on our 
website at http://www.ncrc.org/policy/states/credit--union--report.php.
    In 1934, the Federal Credit Union Act (FCUA) established the 
federal supervision of credit unions as alternatives to banks. The 
necessity for such an alternative arose because the financial needs of 
low- and moderate-income people were not being met by traditional 
lenders Spurred by the 1934 legislation, credit unions increased their 
presence around the country as lending institutions controlled and 
owned by people of modest means. Based on the assumption that credit 
unions are serving the needs of low- and moderate-income members, 
credit unions are afforded certain benefits, such as federal tax 
exemptions, to help them fulfill their mission.
    In the year 2005, after 70 years of federal supervision of credit 
unions, most people would be surprised to learn that banks are doing a 
better job of serving low- and moderate-income people than credit 
unions. This comes in the wake of the 1998 Credit Union Membership 
Access Act, which provided for significant expansions of credit union 
membership. While this law empowered credit unions by reversing Supreme 
Court restrictions on credit union membership, it has not resulted in 
credit unions markedly improving their performance in lending to 
traditionally underserved communities.
    NCRC's study adds powerful evidence to the numerous studies over 
the years that have detailed credit unions' lackluster service to 
people of modest means. The Federal Reserve's 2001 Survey of Consumer 
Finances revealed that only 36 percent of the households that primarily 
used credit unions had low- and moderate-incomes in contrast to 42 
percent of the households that primarily used banks. In 2003, the 
Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report finding that 
banks provided 34 percent of their mortgage loans to low- and moderate-
income borrowers while credit unions issued just 27 percent of their 
loans to these borrowers in 2001. NCRC's previous analyses of Home 
Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data also showed that credit unions 
trailed banks in the percent of their loans to low- and moderate-income 
borrowers in 1999 and 2000.
    In the first study of its kind, NCRC's three year analysis 
concludes that banks consistently exceed credit unions' performance in 
lending to women, minorities, and low- and moderate-income borrowers 
and communities. NCRC scrutinized lenders' performance on 14 fair 
lending measures including the percent of loans to different groups of 
borrowers and the differences in denial rates to minorities versus 
whites and low- and moderate-income borrowers versus middle- and upper-
income borrowers. Banks are compared to credit unions because federal 
Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) requirements to serve low- and 
moderate-income communities apply to banks but not credit unions.
    When considering performance in home purchase lending by itself, or 
when considering home purchase, refinance and home improvement lending 
combined, credit unions consistently lagged banks in service to 
minorities, low- and moderate-income (LMI) borrowers, women, and LMI 
and minority neighborhoods. Over a three year period from 2001 through 
2003, when all three loan types are taken together, banks outperformed 
credit unions in 36 states or 72 percent of the states. When home 
purchase lending is analyzed by itself, credit unions' performance 
drops off even more--banks outperform credit unions in 40 states or 80 
percent of the time.
    In home purchase lending, the difference in bank and credit union 
performance was usually substantial, even in 2003 when credit unions 
were performing better than they were in previous years. For example, 
in 2003, banks made 14.1% of their loans to minority census tracts 
whereas credit unions issued just 7.9%. Likewise, banks made 20.8 
percent of their loans in minority and/or low- and moderate-income 
(LMI) tracts whereas credit unions issued just 15.3 percent of their 
home purchase loans in these tracts across the United States in 2003.
    Other examples of large differences in performance include:
    In 2003, banks made 21.8% of their home purchase loans to women; 
credit unions issued 18.7% of their loans to women across the country.
    In 2003, banks made 9% of their home purchase loans to Hispanics; 
credit unions, 4.8% to Hispanics across the country.
    In Florida, banks made 17.1 percent of their home purchase loans to 
Hispanics; credit unions issued 9.9 percent of their loans to Hispanics 
during 2003. Banks made 25.4 percent of their home purchase loans to 
women; credit unions offered 19.4 percent of their loans to women in 
Florida during 2003.
    In Texas, banks made 25.1% of their home purchase loans to LMI 
borrowers; credit unions issued 20.2% of their loans to LMI borrowers 
in 2003. Banks made 11.8% of their purchase loans to LMI minorities 
while credit unions issued 6.2% of their loans to these borrowers in 
Texas during 2003.
    In California, banks made 18.3% of their home purchase loans to 
Hispanics while credit unions issued 12.4% to these borrowers during 
2003. Likewise, banks made 35.1% of their purchase loans to residents 
of minority census tracts; credit unions made just 25.6% of their loans 
to these census tracts.
    In New York, banks made 16.6% of their home purchase loans in 
minority census tracts while credit unions issued just 5.1% in these 
tracts during 2003. Banks made 23.5% of their purchase loans to women 
while credit unions made just 18.7% of their loans to women in 2003 in 
New York. Finally, banks made 5.6% of their home purchase loans to 
African-Americans whereas credit unions issued just 2.8 percent of 
their purchase loans to African-Americans during 2003. This disparity 
is even larger than the national difference (banks made 5.4% and credit 
unions made 4.4% of their loans to African-Americans during 2003).
    Home purchase lending represents the means by which most Americans 
build wealth; home purchase lending is perhaps the most difficult type 
of home lending since more families buying homes for the first time 
will be less wealthy or have fewer assets than families refinancing 
their mortgage loans. It is distressing that mainstream credit unions 
lag banks by an even greater extent in home purchase lending than other 
types of home lending since home purchase lending represents the 
gateway towards the American Dream of homeownership, wealth building, 
and providing for one's family.
    The results in NCRC's analysis are driven by large credit unions as 
they make the most loans in the credit union industry. For the year 
2003, the top 25 credit unions (in terms of highest number of loans) 
had a median asset size of $2.3 billion and a median membership base of 
250,094. The top 25 credit unions made 220,867 loans overall and issued 
28 percent of the single family loans (home purchase, refinance, and 
home improvement) made by credit unions across the country in 2003. The 
median loan amount was 5,637 loans for top 25 credit unions.
    Here are some loan totals and membership sizes of large credit 
unions:
    Navy Federal--68,567 loans and 2.5 million members
    Golden 1 Credit Union--18,774 loans and 625,559 members
    Boeing Employees Credit Union--9,673 loans and 401,783 members
    In preparing for this testimony, NCRC conducted analysis with the 
new 2004 HMDA data for single family lending (home purchase, refinance, 
and home improvement lending combined). This analysis shows once again 
that credit unions trail banks in making home loans to minorities, 
women, and low- and moderate-income borrowers and communities. The 
chart below shows that banks exceeded credit union performance on all 
nine CRA and fair lending indicators. In addition, the chart reveals 
that the largest credit unions, Navy Federal and Golden 1, also perform 
poorly. Navy Federal lags all credit unions on 5 of the nine indicators 
of performance and Navy Federal lags all banks and thrifts on eight of 
the nine indicators of performance. Golden One performs better than 
Navy Federal but still lags banks on 6 of the 9 indicators.

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    NCRC's study acknowledges that credit union performance improved 
over each year of the analysis. However, banks were still exceeding 
credit union fair lending performance in the great majority of states 
by 2003. This is indeed not good performance for institutions that were 
originally devoted to serving the credit needs of poor people. Large 
credit unions and their trade association should not be comfortable in 
arguing to members of Congress that while credit unions lag banks, 
credit unions are getting better. Their tax benefits and other 
privileges dictate that they should be better. More importantly, why 
would Congress be satisfied with credit unions lagging banks 
considering the very valuable benefits bestowed on these institutions 
by the American taxpayer. The mission established in the Federal Credit 
Union Act of 1934 requires credit unions to lead banks in lending to 
minorities, women, and low- and moderate-income borrowers, not lag 
behind banks. Moreover, the diverse and large membership bases of these 
large credit unions should provide plenty of opportunities to serve 
women, working class Americans, and people of color.
    When considering lending on a national level, we find that bank 
fair lending performance exceeds credit union performance by even 
greater margins than when considering performance state by state. This 
finding is the result of banks consistently out-performing credit 
unions in the largest states while credit unions held the advantage in 
states that were predominantly rural and less heavily populated.
    Just one state in our country, Massachusetts, has applied CRA to 
credit unions over a long period of time. Our study featured a perfect 
control experiment in that it compared the performance of state-charted 
credit unions in Massachusetts against federally-charted credit unions 
not subject to CRA. When considering home purchase, home improvement 
and refinance lending together, state-chartered credit unions 
outperform their federally-chartered counterparts in Massachusetts 69 
percent of the time. While banks outperform all credit unions in 
Massachusetts 71 percent of the time in single family lending, banks 
and state-chartered credit unions perform almost the same--the bank 
advantage is reduced to only 55 percent.
    NCRC recognizes that a significant segment of the credit union 
industry remains devoted to serving people of modest means. Community 
development credit unions (CDCUs), for example, are specifically 
dedicated towards communities left out of the financial mainstream. 
About 300 CDCU's have more than 860,000 members and assets of $3.1 
billion. But the credit union industry is now large, totaling over 
9,000 credit unions with assets of $629 billion. While a number of 
credit unions toil daily to reach poor people, it is clear that the 
industry as a whole has some catching up to do and also has the 
resources to do a much better job.
    NCRC's findings strengthen the argument that credit unions overall 
are not meeting their intent of serving low- and moderate-income 
people. Based on our analysis of the impact of Massachusetts' Community 
Reinvestment Act (CRA) law and our findings that CRA regulated banks 
consistently outperform credit unions on fair lending measures, NCRC 
concludes that federal CRA must be expanded to large, mainstream credit 
unions. Research has long documented CRA's effectiveness in its 
application to banks. Likewise, CRA can be effectively applied to 
credit unions as is evidenced by the Massachusetts experience. Since 
the Federal Credit Union Act of 1934 and CRA have the same fundamental 
purpose--ensuring that low- and moderate-income borrowers and 
communities are served--doesn't make sense that CRA be applied to 
large, mainstream credit unions that need a legal and regulatory push 
to better serve people of ``small means.''
Credit Union Industry's Regulatory Relief Proposal Goes in the Wrong 
        Direction
    Finally, we are also concerned by the credit union's attempt to 
seek regulatory relief that demonstrates the industry's interest to 
abandon its public obligation to underserved areas and those with 
modest means. The credit union's regulatory relief proposals include 
efforts to expand their fields of membership, expand commercial 
lending, and to serve underserved communities with ATMs instead of full 
service branches. In June of 2004, CUNA testified before the Senate 
Banking Committee on Regulatory Relief, requesting that Credit Unions 
be allowed to serve underserved communities with ATMs. We have seen 
this request reappear this year as a regulatory relief proposal for 
consideration by the Senate. This request would repeal existing law and 
undermine the intent of both House Report 105-472 and Senate Report 
105-193 language that explicitly stated that the term ``facility'' does 
not include an ATM.
House Report, 105-472, August 1998
    ``Any person or organization within an underserved local community, 
neighborhood, or rural district may be added to multiple common bond 
credit unions which establishes and maintains an office or facility in 
the underserved areas. The term `facility' in the Act is meant to be 
defined in the same way that the National Credit Union Administration 
(`NCUA' or `Board') has defined `service facility,' that is, an 
automatic teller machine or similar device would not qualify.''
Senate Report, 105-193, August 1998
    ``An additional exception exists for persons or organizations 
within a local community, neighborhood or rural district that is 
underserved by other depository institutions. These persons or 
organizations may join an existing credit union provided that the 
credit union establishes a service facility in that area. The term 
`facility' is meant as it is defined by the NCUA. An automatic teller 
machine or similar device does not qualify as a service facility.''
    Throughout HR 1151, the Federal Credit Union Act of 1998, Congress 
made clear and reaffirmed in its findings the public purpose of credit 
unions, ``SEC. 2. (1) The American credit union movement began as a 
cooperative effort to serve the productive and provident credit needs 
of individuals of modest means.'' The request by credit unions to serve 
underserved communities only with ATMs is inconsistent and in conflict 
with the public purpose of credit unions to serve the credit needs of 
those individuals of modest means.
    While our goal is not to limit the growth of credit unions, it is 
to ensure that credit unions maintain their focus on underserved areas. 
Instead, we see their proposal on Community Credit Union Membership as 
an attempt by the credit union industry to distort and inappropriately 
expand their fields of membership to areas which credit unions view as 
desirable and profitable, rather than to underserved areas, despite the 
original and reaffirmed mission to serve people of modest means.
    This proposal would undermine Congress's enactment of the Credit 
Union Membership Access Act (CUMAA) HR 1151, and therefore, its 
affirmation that credit unions have a mandate to serve the underserved. 
Through CUMAA, Congress permitted a limited exception for multiple-bond 
credit unions to expand their fields of membership by adding 
underserved areas. Currently, adding underserved areas is one of the 
only means by which multiple bond credit unions can actively expand 
their fields of membership. In providing an exception for underserved 
areas, Congress reaffirmed the original mission of credit unions to 
serve those with modest means.
    The credit union industry is also requesting to shift the focus of 
business lending from those persons of modest means to commercial 
lending that does not serve persons of modest means. Throughout Senate 
Report 105-193, the intent was clear, ``Title II reaffirms that insured 
credit unions have a continuing obligation to meet the financial 
services needs of persons of modest means, including low- and moderate-
income individuals''. We believe that credit unions should improve upon 
its home purchase lending to persons of modest means and not on 
expanding its business lending to serve large commercial firms.
    In general we are troubled by the attempts of the credit union 
industry to seek relief from public law and guidance that is 
fundamental to its public purpose and obligation. We are also concerned 
by this request because it demonstrates the credit union industry's 
interest to abandon its public obligation to undeserved areas and those 
with modest means. NCRC and our 600 member organizations have worked 
diligently to insure that the banking industry serve and provide 
branches to underserved communities through the CRA where they are held 
accountable. Should the credit unions be successful in obtaining their 
regulatory relief proposals they would enjoy expanded fields of 
membership and expanded commercial lending without any check and 
balances to insure that they are serving persons of modest means.
    The next step in the evolution of credit unions in this country is 
applying CRA to mainstream credit unions, thereby requiring these 
credit unions to abide to an affirmative and continual obligation of 
meeting the credit needs of low- and moderate-income communities.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. Ms. Kennelly, before we ask for 
your testimony, I just want to indicate that every Member 
indeed, those who aren't here and the Members of Congress, 
offer our sincere condolences. You folks were right in the 
heart of what was an extremely difficult, tragic, natural 
disaster--perhaps exacerbated by some man-made assistance, but 
the devastation was there nevertheless. Our colleague, the 
gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. Jefferson, and my colleague, the 
gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. McCrery, have been focused on 
trying to make sure that, at a minimum, life is restored back 
to some semblance of normal as soon as possible. I am anxious 
to hear where you were, where you are, and what has been going 
on, from someone who obviously is at the forefront in listening 
to, hearing, and probably trying to meet people's needs who had 
no understanding of what their needs were going to be just a 
couple of months ago.

   STATEMENT OF CONSTANCE KENNELLY, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, 
   TULANE-LOYOLA FEDERAL CREDIT UNION, NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA

    Ms. KENNELLY. Exactly. Thank you very much. I must admit, I 
did evacuate. I did not stay. Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member 
Rangel, distinguished Members of the Committee on Ways and 
Means, I do want to express my profound gratitude for the 
opportunity to testify before you today, and to share with you 
my personal story and those of others regarding the ways in 
which credit unions assisted them and their families and untold 
thousands of other people in the aftermath of Hurricanes 
Katrina and Rita, in ways that I believe are unique. I also 
want to express my appreciation to my fellow Louisianians, 
Congressman Jefferson, who represents a significant number of 
my members, and Congressman McCrery, for their continuing 
efforts in the Committee to help our devastated state recover. 
I am, and have been since 1998, the Chief Executive Officer of 
the Tulane-Loyola Federal Credit Union, and I am also a member. 
Our membership includes the faculty, staff, and students from 
Tulane University, Tulane Hospital, and Loyola University, 
which I think spreads the gamut of income across the board.
    We are small, with slightly less than $15 million in assets 
and 5,000 members. In addition, our credit union is unique, in 
that it has been designated as a low-income credit union, which 
will allow the credit union to receive grants to serve low-
income members of the community, including those devastated by 
the hurricane. As you might imagine, Hurricane Katrina's impact 
on our membership and on the membership of credit unions 
throughout the greater New Orleans area has been catastrophic. 
More than 4,800 of our members were evacuated, and many were--
and some still remain--temporarily located throughout the 
United States; some in remote areas, but with fairly heavy 
concentrations in Baton Rouge, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta. To 
date, only about 30 percent have actually returned to the New 
Orleans area. It has been reported that the universities plan 
to reopen for the spring semester in January of 2006; however, 
it still remains unclear how many of our members will be able 
to return home by that time.
    Of our 14 staff members, five lived in the areas of total 
devastation now well known to most of the Nation: the Lower 
Ninth Ward of New Orleans, New Orleans East, and Saint Bernard 
Parish. They may not be able to return. During the storm's 
aftermath, I had my personal cell phone number listed on the 
National Credit Union Administration's website, as well as on 
our own website, for member contact. The calls were answered 
from 7:00 a.m. until 11:30 p.m., and most of the information 
requested was related to being able to access their funds. I 
was able to direct them to the service center link on our 
website, or to provide them with the information directly if 
they did not have access to a PC. During the first few days, I 
responded personally to over 700 e-mails from members. For 
weeks, there were overlapping, non-stop phone calls. With rare 
exception, Members were able to access their funds conveniently 
from credit union service centers or outlets within the 
cooperative credit union network of people helping people. In 
only two instances were members located outside of a convenient 
radius--that is, greater than 25 miles from the nearest 
branch--and for those, funds were wired to them at no cost.
    In so many instances, Louisianians were not just separated 
from their homes; they were also separated from family and from 
the means by which to live. Many were left not only homeless, 
but penniless as well. With phone lines and other means of 
communication compromised, ATM service was sporadic throughout 
the affected area. Even credit and debit card use was limited 
in many areas. Moreover, most people who evacuated--including 
myself--never envisioned the level of destruction wrought by 
Katrina, and were thinking that they would only be away from 
home for a couple of days; not weeks or even, as we have seen, 
months. Thankfully, credit union members have access to 
something unique in the financial services industry, and it is 
a cooperative, shared branching network. Because of this 
network, our members were able to walk into credit unions all 
over the country--in Texas, in California, in Georgia, and 
elsewhere in Louisiana--and access their funds, obtain 
emergency loans, initiate lines of credit, increase their 
credit card limits, and receive other critical financial 
services, with no questions asked, as though they were at their 
own home credit union. To my knowledge, there is no similar 
shared access system in the banking sector. Moreover, while we 
had certainly planned for emergencies, an event of this 
magnitude is unprecedented; and yet the shared branching 
network far exceeded the expectations, and ensured our members 
the financial access they needed.
    We heard from members who had been separated from their 
family. There was one, a sister, who had been separated. Funds 
were transferred from their joint account. We were able to 
intervene and allow the apartment owners to actually waive the 
$175 fees. We had another instance with an incoming Tulane 
student who had joined the credit union literally 1 hour before 
they were told to evacuate with their family. They called. We 
had not processed the check, but we immediately made that 
$1,000 available to them. To sum it up again, I do want to 
thank you for your indulgence. I see that I have gone over by 
27 seconds right now. I want to add that not only do we as 
credit unions not pay taxes; we don't pay our volunteers. We 
are run by credit unions. Although we are considered not-for-
profit, we have to make a profit, because we have to maintain a 
level of capital above that of other financial institutions. 
So, we are not-for-profit; we meet capital expectations; and we 
do not pay our directors. Thank you very much, Chairman.
    [The prepared statement of Ms. Kennelly follows:]
Statement of Constance Kennelly, Chief Executive Officer, Tulane-Loyola 
              Federal Credit Union, New Orleans, Louisiana
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel, distinguished members of 
the Committee on Ways and Means, I want to express my profound 
gratitude for the opportunity to testify before you today and to share 
my personal story and those of others regarding the ways in which 
credit unions assisted them and their families and untold thousands of 
other people in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in ways 
that I believe are unique. I also want to express my appreciation to my 
fellow Louisianans, Congressman Jefferson, who represents a significant 
number of my members, and Congressman McCrery for their continuing 
efforts in the Committee to help our devastated state recover.
    I am, and have been since 1998, the chief executive officer of the 
Tulane-Loyola Federal Credit Union; I am also a member. Our membership 
includes faculty, staff and students from Tulane University, Tulane 
Hospital and Loyola University. The Tulane-Loyola Federal Credit Union 
is small with slightly less than 5,000 members and $15 million on 
deposit. In addition, our credit union is unique in that it has been 
designated as a low-income credit union which allows the credit union 
to receive grants to serve low-income members of the community, 
including those devastated by the hurricane.
    As you might imagine, Hurricane Katrina's impact on our membership 
and on the membership of credit unions throughout the greater New 
Orleans area has been catastrophic. More than 4,800 of our members were 
evacuated, and many were (and some remain) temporarily located 
throughout the United States--some in remote areas but with fairly 
heavy concentrations in Baton Rouge, Houston, Dallas and Atlanta. To 
date, only about 30 percent have returned to the New Orleans area. It 
has been reported that the universities plan to re-open for the spring 
semester in January 2006; however, it remains unclear how many of our 
members will be able to return by that time.
    Of our fourteen staff members, five lived in the areas of total 
devastation now well known to most of the nation--the Lower Ninth Ward 
of New Orleans, New Orleans East, and St. Bernard Parish. They may not 
be able to return.
    During the storm's aftermath, I had my personal cell phone number 
listed on the National Credit Union Administration's website, as well 
as on our own website, for member contact. The calls were answered from 
7 a.m. until 11:30 p.m. Most of the information requested was related 
to being able to access funds, and I was able to direct them to the 
Credit Union Service Center link on our website or provide them with 
the information directly.
    During the first few days, I responded personally to over 700 
emails from members. And for weeks there were overlapping, non-stop 
phone calls. With rare exception, members were able to access their 
funds conveniently from Service Centers or Outlets within the 
cooperative Credit Union network of people helping people. In only two 
instances were members located outside of a convenient radius, that is, 
greater than 25 miles from the nearest service center or branch, and 
for those, funds were wired to them at no charge.
    In so many instances, Louisianans were not just separated from 
their homes; they were also separated from family and from the means to 
live. Many were left not only homeless, but penniless as well. With 
phone lines and other means of communication compromised, ATM service 
was sporadic throughout the affected area; even credit and debit card 
use was limited in many areas. Moreover, most people who evacuated 
never envisioned the level of destruction wrought by Hurricane Katrina 
and the subsequent deluge. Quite reasonably, given common experience, 
most of those who evacuated were prepared to be away from home, away 
from their livelihoods, for a few days. When they left, they had no 
idea--no reason to expect--they would need to be prepared to be gone 
for weeks or, as we have seen, months.
    Thankfully, credit union members have access to something unique in 
the financial services industry--a cooperative shared branching 
network. Because of this network, our members were able to walk in to 
credit unions all over the country--in Texas, in California, in Georgia 
and elsewhere in Louisiana--and access their funds, obtain emergency 
loans, initiate lines-of-credit, increase credit card limits, and 
receive other critical financial services with no questions asked as 
though they were at their home credit union. To my knowledge, there is 
no similar shared access system in the banking sector. Moreover, while 
we had certainly planned for emergency situations, an event of this 
magnitude is unprecedented, and yet the shared branching network far 
exceeded expectations and ensured our members the financial access they 
needed in the days and weeks after their lives were turned upside down 
by Hurricane Katrina.
    We heard from a member who had been separated from her sister and 
grandmother during the evacuations from the Superdome. The sister had 
transferred funds from the joint account by telephone teller 
unbeknownst to the member who wrote a check for rent in Houston. 
Ultimately, we assisted the member by having the apartment complex 
reverse the NSF charges imposed on her.
    Another of our members called to re-order checks in order to be 
able to rent an apartment for his family. In the interim period, we 
wired funds for him at no charge. For other members, we expedited loans 
for displaced members, waived fees for stop payments and wires, and 
deferred loan payments until the end of November.
    An incoming Tulane student, who had joined the credit union just an 
hour before being evacuated on the Saturday before Katrina, contacted 
us for a withdrawal. Knowing the circumstances, we credited his $1,000 
deposit immediately even though the check had not been processed.
    A credit union in the Lake Charles area promptly accommodated 
several of our members by providing withdrawals, even though they were 
not, at that time, a part of our shared branch network, and we, in 
turn, wired covering funds to them. During the first weeks after 
Katrina, one Service Center even agreed to accept and post payments 
from auto insurance companies totaling our members' automobiles, sight 
unseen.
    These are just a few examples of the manner in which credit unions 
care for the needs of their members. I represent just one of many 
credit unions whose members were adversely affected by the recent 
hurricanes, and yet I sit before you today certain that my colleagues 
at those credit unions and their members could recount hundreds of 
similar acts of kindness and compassion too seldom found in the 
financial services sector. For us, and for our members, caring, and not 
profit, is the rule.
    From a member's perspective, a credit union represents caring and 
thoughtful service, even during the most difficult of times. Members 
may be unaware of the size of their credit union, but they care deeply 
about the personal service, convenience and responsiveness. While 
Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath were extraordinary circumstances, 
thanks to the member-oriented approach of credit unions throughout the 
country, we were able to provide a lifeline to our members and fulfill 
our stated mission of taking care of our membership one member at a 
time.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to testify.

                                 

    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you, Ms. Kennelly. Does the 
gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. McCrery, wish to inquire?
    Mr. MCCRERY. Mr. Chairman, I don't have any questions. I 
appreciate the testimony of the panel. We have had some 
thought-provoking testimony, I think, today from all three of 
our panels. I commend the Chairman for undertaking this 
responsibility of the Committee to review the tax-exempt status 
of institutions that have that grant from the Federal 
Government. Certainly, we ought to continue this with other 
institutions, as well. But I do think today's testimony has 
been enlightening in many respects, and gives us a good bit to 
look at and examine as we move forward with these hearings. So, 
I thank the Chairman for holding the hearing, and thank the 
panel for their testimony.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. Does the gentleman 
from Michigan wish to inquire?
    Mr. LEVIN. I just want to join with you and Mr. McCrery and 
others. It has been an interesting hearing, and this last panel 
added some provocative thoughts. Thank you.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman from Texas, Mr. Brady?
    Mr. BRADY. Mr. Chairman, one, I think this has been an 
excellent hearing. My only point would be I think regulation 
has a cost, and sometimes an unintended consequence. If we were 
a banking Committee, I would be taking a good, hard look at the 
whole regulatory structure on all our lenders in the community, 
to see and make sure, as I think that we have, I think, 
overburdened them in areas that they ought not be. I think we 
ought to provide a lot more flexibility than we do today. But 
with that, again, thank you for holding this hearing.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. The gentleman from 
Louisiana.
    Mr. JEFFERSON. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't have any 
questions, either. I do want to thank Ms. Kennelly for having 
come and for the testimony she offered, as well as the other 
witnesses, but particularly her; and for the work that she did 
to help relieve the suffering and to provide some point of 
contact for people who were displaced all over the country as a 
result of the horrific events of Hurricane Katrina, and Rita 
after that. I think what is really important here is that there 
may be some differences of opinion about the tax-exempt status, 
or about the lending practices, or whatever; but I think the 
importance of a hearing like this is that these things get 
aired, and that from each side there can be, we hope, some 
basis on which the private sector can find a way to come 
together itself and resolve some of these issues without the 
need for there to be any intervention by this Committee or by 
any Committee of Congress. Sometimes, just by having these 
matters explored as they are and having others hear the 
concerns, one here in front of the other, helps to bring 
resolution to the problem and helps to prod some of us to make 
changes where we hadn't really thought about the need to do 
that. So, I am hopeful that out of this will come some 
voluntary action on the part of those who may feel themselves 
on the edge of some concerns of others, and find a way to work 
things out before the Congress has to make any decision about 
stepping in on that. So, I want to thank the Chairman for 
bringing the parties together and for holding this hearing. I 
think it has been very beneficial.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank the gentleman. The gentlewoman from 
Pennsylvania.
    Ms. HART. No questions.
    Chairman THOMAS. The gentleman from California.
    Mr. BECERRA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, would like to 
thank the panel for its testimony. I have one question for Ms. 
Kennelly; but I would like, before I do ask the question, to 
say that I hope that what we get from this is an opportunity to 
have a further discussion, as I think Mr. Taylor was trying to 
say, about what the responsibilities of the credit unions 
should be. To me, most of the evidence I see points to the fact 
that credit unions have done something very good for many 
Americans. If it reduces the cost of obtaining credit and 
opportunities to expand a business or to purchase your first 
home, I think that is great. I think we have to continue there. 
But I think, Mr. Taylor, you point out in your testimony very 
well that, as the credit unions grow, it seems they are growing 
in areas that don't fulfill the mission that was first set 
forth for them back in the 19thirties; and that was to serve 
modest-income families principally. While I think many of them 
do a very good job, sometimes as you grow, sometimes you 
forget, or you lose sight of your mission. I hope that they can 
focus as much as possible, because I think most of us in 
Congress would like to continue to support not just the credit 
unions and the industry, but their tax-exempt status. Ms. 
Kennelly, a quick question for you. Mr. Taylor did propose that 
we consider adding CRA-type requirements or regulation over the 
credit industry's larger players, its larger credit unions. I 
am wondering if you can comment on that suggestion by Mr. 
Taylor?
    Ms. KENNELLY. Well, I don't know what the threshold would 
be. I really don't have much of a comment. I think most credit 
unions generally fulfill those requirements without being 
required to do so. I don't recall what the threshold was. Do 
you?
    Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Well, it is different for different 
institutions but--May I?
    Mr. BECERRA. Please.
    Mr. TAYLOR. In fact--and this gets to Mr. Brady's point--
the regulators really did streamline the process. This Congress 
dealt a lot with the regulatory burden associated with 
financial institutions; very recently reduced the reporting 
requirements as it relates to CRA. For small institutions less 
than--what is it, Josh, 100 million, 250 million? For 250 
million, it is really----
    UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER. It started off, I think, at 50.
    Mr. TAYLOR. Yes, it has grown very easily. It is a very 
streamlined exam, so I don't think the idea of having CRA-like 
requirements is going to add a terrible burden. For all these 
institutions that say, ``We're doing it, we're doing it,'' they 
shouldn't have to worry about complying with it. But I didn't 
want to answer for you.
    Ms. KENNELLY. Well, I answered. Originally, when all of 
that came up, I thought it was $50 million. We are very small.
    Mr. TAYLOR. Yes.
    Ms. KENNELLY. So, it is not a burning issue for me. But I 
do feel--believe--that most of the credit unions are complying, 
without the regulation being there. If it is $100 million, you 
will probably see some that will want to stay at 99.9.
    Mr. BECERRA. I think Congressman D'Amours pointed out that 
in the past there was an attempt by the industry to try to have 
something similar to CRA applied, but that proposal--which had 
at first been adopted, I believe, under your chairmanship--was 
subsequently reconsidered. It seems like perhaps now we are 
finding that the fruits of that reconsideration may be coming 
back to haunt some of the credit union industry a bit. But I 
don't know if you have any comment on that.
    Mr. D'AMOURS. Yes, Congressman, if you would permit me. 
That was my proposal. I advanced that--well, way back in '97, I 
believe, for the first time. You heard Chairman Johnson and 
other people refer to, when Congresswoman Hart and other people 
were asking about transparency and reporting, the 5300 report 
that they filed quarterly. All I was asking for in that attempt 
was that they add into their business plans something that 
would state what efforts they might make to reach out to low-
income people. They called that ``CRA.'' They fiercely resisted 
it. After 3 years or so of persisting, I finally got it passed. 
It was not an industry effort; it was an agency effort, because 
I was the chairman of the agency. It was repealed a month or 
two before it went into effect, after I left the agency. The 
truth is, they don't want to be looked at, and I wonder why.
    Mr. BECERRA. I thank everyone for their comments. As we 
move forward, those of us who are very supportive of credit 
unions hope that this is something that can be examined 
further, now that we are collecting more and more data. Perhaps 
one of the things we should do is try to collect even more 
data, to give us a better sense of really where the industry is 
heading; and therefore we have something to compare apples and 
apples with. So, I thank you for your testimony. Mr. Chairman, 
I thank you for the time.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you. As we conclude, I want to make 
some statements and ask some questions, because I think we have 
been dodging around some of the core structures that we have to 
face sometime. If other Committees, or if agencies that are 
seen more as enablers than regulators, aren't willing to face 
up to it, then I am willing to make some statements and I am 
willing to allow people to respond to the statements that I 
make. I believe--in large part, based on historical analysis--
that the term ``modest means'' was used for a couple of 
reasons. ``Low-income'' is easily measured. It is a term that 
is often used inside government. ``Modest means'' is in the eye 
of the beholder. But clearly, in the thirties, when you talked 
about ``modest means,'' it was a typical, middle-class 
structure in those days. I honestly believe Congress did not 
intend to include ``modest means'' in the credit union 
structure to require that not-for-profit structure reach out to 
low-income and racial minorities as a primary focal point in 
establishing a mutual credit structure.When you talk about 
common bond, they were all kind of the same. When you use a 
company with its employees, they aren't exactly low-income. It 
was because the banking structure at that time did not make 
loans, normally, to those kinds of people.
    When you look at the history that we have now gone 
through--and we are looking at it today--for someone to 
respond, who is supposed to be a regulatory agency over credit 
unions, ``We don't know what 'modest means' really means,'' 
then it is time to get serious about a definition. I believe 
today ``modest means'' would be substituted with ``low-income 
and racial and ethnic minority.'' I know there is resistance if 
that is the definition that is used, but I cannot believe we 
sat through an entire hearing in which people just shrugged 
their shoulders and couldn't figure out what ``modest means'' 
means. It means a whole lot different today than it did in the 
thirties. Now, I asked the question several times: What is the 
primary reason for granting tax preference? The structure, 
which is certainly admirable, in terms of a cooperative, self-
help, bootstrap kind of a concept, is not the sole reason for 
the exemption. It made sense at the time, because of the 
environment the country was in, for individuals trying to get a 
loan.
    Today, as we have seen, there are banks who pay taxes, who 
have no common bond, who offer lower rates to low-income and 
minority individuals. Why? Because, ironically, the structure 
that was to provide assistance back in the 'thirties is a 
limitation today. Because of the structure, you are limited; 
and so the people who belong may not necessarily be low-income 
or minorities. So, the credit unions believe they have shifted 
to a degree by creating the opportunity for a number of common 
bond folk to come together, in a multiple bond; or in fact, to 
go out and deal with a community. I just found it almost 
amazing that when you talk about under-served areas, it was 
always geographic; it wasn't people. There was no evidence that 
was required to show that if you achieved moving out into this 
other area which was defined as under-served, that you had to 
show you were in fact serving the under-served.
    So, one of the real concerns I have is not understanding 
why the credit union industry does not want transparency and 
accountability. In terms of seeing whether or not we are 
getting our money's worth, I, personally, as the Chairman of 
this Committee, as long as I am the Chairman of the Committee, 
when we are dealing with somebody who gets a tax-preferred 
status--as admirable as a volunteer, cooperative structure is--
I am going to interpret the tax-preferred structure as meaning 
servicing those who are unable, either through the structure 
that is present or geography, to get their basic financial 
needs met. Today, that means low-income, minorities, racial, 
women, and so on; and not some ``modest means'' that can't be 
defined.
    I also am quite concerned that an agency that is supposed 
to be a regulator appears to be, to a very great extent, an 
enabler which is making excuses for not being able to measure 
up to deliver a product which gets a tax preference. People 
keep talking about how tax preference isn't worth much. In 
fact, banks are better off than the rest. Well, then I can't 
figure out why you are fighting so much, worried so much, and 
causing so much concern about examining the question of tax 
preference. If it is no big deal, why are you here? So, what I 
really think this industry and Congress and everybody else 
needs to do is look at how the full panoply of financial 
services are providing the kinds of needs that Americans of all 
economic levels, ethnicities, or gender, need, and determine 
whether or not the taxpayers' dollars--which I think are 
supposed to be available to help service--are really being met.
    The only way you can know that those needs are being met is 
to gather data to determine if the decisions you make are 
effective or not. I do not fully understand the defensiveness 
on the part of a number of people, who have been provided with 
new structures presumably to reach out and provide those 
services to certain groups of people, who seem to say that, 
``That isn't our job. That isn't why we are here.'' That 
probably concerns me as much as anything, in terms of the 
comments that have been made during this hearing. No, I don't 
think you should remove the tax-exempt status; but I won't put 
a period there. I would say where it makes sense, in terms of 
the historical and current use of a cooperative structure--
which, interestingly enough, enabled at one time in the 
thirties, inhibits today to carry out your various activities. 
That is why I think measurements such as the community----
    [Discussion in hearing room.]
    Chairman THOMAS. Don't worry about them. They are perfectly 
willing to be rude because they have other needs they want 
serviced. You can do it outside the room, if you so desire.
    [Pause.]
    Chairman THOMAS. It seems to me that a measurement that is 
applied to taxable entities of financial services should be a 
reasonable yardstick to be applied to the tax-free area. It has 
to be explained to me why you shouldn't adopt it. Providing 
information on remuneration totally of officers and other 
people who are paid, to allow for transparency, shouldn't be 
fought. You should do it to show how reasonable and equitable 
the payment structure is, which reflects the membership 
structure, and how it appears favorably to other institutions 
who deal with money--unless, of course, that is not the case. 
Arguing that you have CPAs who collect data, which is exactly 
the same argument the corporations made, does not pass the 
oversight test. Prior to our peeling off the ugly cover we 
found that the relationship between the then-existing CPA 
structures, who not only audited but advised the financial 
structure where to put their money, and who then went back and 
looked at the structure and said it was okay.
    To resist voluntarily submitting yourself to something that 
is an FDIC Sarbanes-Oxley similar accounting system, instead of 
explaining what you do have, is again something I think you 
need to be concerned about. Because as we have seen the 
concentration of money is in a select group of credit unions--I 
think you are beginning to see a potential of a mitosis, in 
terms of a broad-based, historical structure which renders a 
valuable service at a particular level and style of service, 
that may not be compatible with today's modern structure, with 
what they want to do and how they want to do it. To 
artificially gloss over those differences because you want to 
retain some kind of structure for its historical integrity, 
rather than trying to deal with the issue that is currently 
growing inside your structure, is something I think everybody 
should be concerned about. One of the purposes of this hearing, 
as far as I was concerned, was to get all of the different 
kinds of credit unions not only to talk to us, but to talk to 
each other; so that you can begin to understand that a single, 
common bond, small community credit union isn't the same as a 
credit union that has as its endeavor the entire County of Los 
Angeles, with no other bond than that you live, work, go to 
school, or worship there--and that that collection can pull 
together amounts of money that rival relatively major financial 
institutions, to finance office buildings, hotels, and other 
activities.
    Then, finally, of all of the not-for-profit structures, 
this is the one, ironically, that has hung onto that commitment 
to people, tied to people of modest means. Maybe some of you 
fail to realize that that definition, which was never firmed 
up, has changed, and ``modest means'' means low-income, racial 
minorities, and women. The easiest way to show that is to use 
the CRA as a standard. I would just tell you, if you look at 
Massachusetts, which is an absolute case study of a requirement 
that some use and some don't, all the fog disappears. There is 
a bright line of who is servicing those, and who is not. 
Mandated; imposed--I don't care. It is taxpayers' money going 
to you for the purpose of carrying out a particular function. 
Frankly, I think a good and worthy one is to define the people 
of modest means along the lines of the CRA. Now, that is a very 
strong opinion on my part, as I said, based upon the changes 
that I have seen occurring and the reading that I have made. I 
will give anybody a little bit of time here to have a response 
back, if what I have said outrages you, or misses the point, or 
does not assist us in moving forward at the end of this hearing 
to try to get a handle on where we are and where we need to go.
    Mr. D'AMOURS. Mr. Chairman, may I say something?
    Chairman THOMAS. Certainly.
    Mr. D'AMOURS. I think you are quite right in noting that it 
is amazing that we can't get a definition of what ``modest 
means'' amounts to. But the truth is that that is not 
happenstance; they want it that way. To hear somebody in this 
room say that everybody in this room is a person of modest 
means is to fundamentally misunderstand what credit unions are 
all about. When the credit union system was created--it goes 
back to Canada--people of modest means were people who didn't 
have access to banks. I will bet everybody in this room has 
access to a bank or some kind of financial institution. In that 
day, they didn't. All they had was loan sharks and other 
predatory lenders. People, if they had jobs, it was small 
factory jobs that weren't paying very much. The truth is, when 
I was Chairman, and I stressed that they should focus on low-
income people, in several cases--as that Woodstock Institute, 
by the way, study found--in several cases, they shot back that 
credit unions were never really intended to serve anything but 
the middle class. So, it is to their advantage to deny that 
``modest means'' means ``low-income.'' It did mean ``low-
income'' at the beginning, Mr. Chairman. I take slight issue 
with you on that, if I may. It did mean low-income people from 
the very beginning. The people of modest means, it was built 
into the credit union statute, were in fact low-income people. 
But I just want to say, Mr. Chairman, thank you----
    Chairman THOMAS. If the gentleman would yield briefly, the 
reason I said it didn't was because those people were invisible 
back in those days.
    Mr. D'AMOURS. Precisely. Precisely.
    Chairman THOMAS. They really weren't low-income. They were 
modest means, and they thought they were low-income, but nobody 
looked at all the other folk out there who really were.
    Mr. D'AMOURS. But I do want to say, Mr. Chairman, having 
hit my head up against a brick wall for 7 years as Chairman of 
NCUA, thank you very much for what you are doing. I hope that 
this isn't just going to be another rallying point for credit 
union trades to go out and raise a lot of money to fight the 
tax bogeyman, and it will result in something positive coming 
from the U.S. Congress. As I said earlier, if it doesn't come 
from Congress, it is not going to happen.
    Chairman THOMAS. Thank you very much.
    Mr. TAYLOR. Mr. Chairman, if I may?
    Chairman THOMAS. Mr. Taylor?
    Mr. TAYLOR. I, too, want to thank you, Mr. Chairman and the 
other Members of the Committee. I think this is a very 
important discussion, at least from where I sit, in trying to 
influence financial institutions to not overlook the needs of 
traditionally under-served people, or low- and moderate-income 
people. I do think it is a problem when the NCUA Chairperson 
sits in front of you and says, ``I consider myself someone of 
modest means,'' because I think there is a disconnect as to--I 
mean, I don't know what they pay these days to the Chairman of 
NCUA, and maybe it is modest means; but the medium income for a 
household in this country is about $42,000, and I would put 
``modest'' somewhere below that.
    Chairman THOMAS. Right.
    Mr. TAYLOR. Now, I know you have been cutting government 
budgets and cutting salaries and cutting things, so maybe you 
have done a lot more than I perceived. But I have got to tell 
you, I think the problem is bigger than simply: why doesn't the 
industry sort of get it, and subject itself to some 
transparency, some sunshine? Because while we are having this 
conversation, the credit union association, CUMAA, through its 
Renaissance Commission, in June of 2001, issued a report that 
was sent to its members with a recommendation that it remove 
the words ``people of modest means'' from the credit union 
mission statement. In that, they went on to say, ``That is a 
clear victory. We won it. We have done it. You know, we don't 
need that statement any more.'' Even in the testimony today, 
Mr. Chairman, if you look at the CUMAA testimony on page 9, 
there are two paragraphs that refer to those important words, 
``people of modest means,'' as cryptic words; a fleeting 
reference. In other words, trying to downplay what we all 
think--and I think we do--is an important part of the mission 
of what credit unions are about: to serve people of modest 
means. They are working to try to eliminate that from the 
mission statement. So, it is actually a bigger problem than 
simply--you know, they are trying to move away from that; make 
no mistake about it. I think this Tulane Credit Union, the El 
Paso, I think they do great work. I think they are, obviously, 
very nice people. But it is not representative of the majority 
of assets, of where this industry is going. I think this is an 
incredibly important hearing, and I really thank you again for 
having it.
    Chairman THOMAS. Well, let me conclude with this statement. 
Because if in fact I advocated that we would remove the tax-
exemption status, you would get something similar to what 
occurred here when this was just an oversight hearing, and you 
would see a whole lot more. I have no intention of doing that. 
I will tell you, though, Mr. Taylor, that transparency, 
accountability, verifiability, are extremely valuable tools. 
Because it then means somebody else determines whether or not 
somebody should continue to receive a tax-free status. I think 
what you will find is some people meet the test easily; others 
with difficulty, and need to change; and others, as you 
indicated, who wanted to drop that phrase altogether, have no 
interest in meeting it, and do not want transparency, 
accountability, or verifiability, because then they would be 
exposed. Right now, they are all behind the structure of the 
small, common bond, wonderful--I belong to one--credit union. 
All I tried to do with this particular hearing was to get 
people to realize that who comes up to the mike to talk about 
what is going on isn't necessarily representative of an 
industry that is rapidly changing and needs transparency, 
accountability, and verifiability. Thank you all very much. The 
hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 4:10 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Questions submitted from Chairman Thomas to Ms. JoAnn 
Johnson, and her responses follow:]

    Question: Please describe what data the NCUA collects regarding 
Credit Union Service Organizations (CUSOs), including their ownership 
and activities. How many CUSOs are there? How many are wholly owned by 
a single credit union? How much revenue do CUSOs generate annually?
    Answer: It should be noted, as an initial matter, that NCUA does 
not directly regulate CUSOs. Instead, in conformance with the Federal 
Credit Union Act and our regulatory framework, the focus of the agency 
is on the credit union and its relationship with CUSOs. While we 
require that a CUSO's books and records be fully accessible to us, 
issues such as unauthorized CUSO activity or other threat to a credit 
union's safety and soundness are addressed at the credit union level. 
In such cases, we would require either divestiture or other remedial 
action to be taken by the credit union, as opposed to a direct 
regulatory intervention at the CUSO level.
    On a quarterly basis, NCUA requires federally insured credit unions 
to submit the following data via Schedule D--Credit Union Service 
Organization (CUSO) Information--of the 5300 Call Report:

     Full/legal name of CUSO
     Value of investment in CUSO
     Amount loaned to CUSO
     Wholly owned (yes or no)
     Predominant service
      Accounting method used by the credit union to reflect the 
value of the CUSO on the credit union's financial statements
     Aggregate Cash Outlay in CUSO

    For the third quarter of 2005, there was an aggregate of 
$735,219,785 reported in investments in CUSOs and $396,499,868 in loans 
in CUSOs. These figures reflect a mere .17% of all credit union assets, 
comprised of .11% from investments and .06% from loans. As reported on 
the third quarter 2005 call reports, there were 551 wholly owned CUSOs. 
Overall, 2,017 credit unions reported a loan or an investment in a 
CUSO. This figure includes the 551 wholly owned CUSOs.
    The total number of CUSOs is approximately 750. This figure is an 
approximation because NCUA collects CUSO data by legal name which in 
order to be aggregated by number requires data analysis to remove any 
inconsistencies in the reporting of multi-owner CUSOs. The primary CUSO 
trade group, NACUSO, and credit union consulting firm Callahan and 
Associates jointly publish a CUSO directory that reflects the 
aggregated list of names. Their figure from the June 2005 Directory of 
Credit Union Service Organizations is 758 CUSOs.
    NCUA believes the risk to credit unions is not in the dollar amount 
of investments or loans but in potential service disruptions or other 
reputation issues. For example, a CUSO providing Electronic Data 
Processing (EDP) services may represent an insignificant investment on 
an individual credit union's balance sheet, but the risk of disruption 
of service needs to be mitigated and contingencies developed. For EDP 
CUSOs, NCUA includes them in the annual review of data processing 
vendors and a sample is selected for on-site review by an NCUA 
Information Systems Officer.
    NCUA's data collection does not capture CUSO revenue data.
    Question: What information is needed in order for a credit union to 
obtain approval by the NCUA to engage in a business relationship with a 
CUSO? By law, credit unions are restricted in some of the services they 
can provide, however, CUSOs allow credit unions to offer such services. 
Is the NCUA concerned about the increased use of CUSOs, and how does 
the NCUA oversee these relationships?
    Answer: NCUA's CUSO rule, 12 C.F.R. Part 712, sets out the 
requirements governing FCU investment or lending to CUSOs. NCUA expects 
every Federal credit union (FCU) to comply with these requirements, but 
does not require advance notice of, and does not issue specific 
approval for, a particular FCU's determination to engage in a business 
relationship with a CUSO. NCUA oversees the relationship and enforces 
compliance with its rule through the examination process. Additionally, 
CUSO activity is monitored from information gathered in the quarterly 
call report program.
    Section 712.5 identifies broad categories of permissible types of 
activities for CUSOs. All such categories reflect the statutory 
requirement for CUSOs that they may engage only in providing services 
that are associated with the routine operation of credit unions. The 
Board has authority to prescribe rules for the administration of the 
FCU Act. 12 U.S.C. 1766(a). The loan authority for CUSOs in the FCU Act 
specifically reads: ``[a] credit union organization means any 
organization as determined by the Board, which is established primarily 
to serve the needs of its member credit unions, and whose business 
relates to the daily operations of the credit unions they serve.'' 12 
U.S.C. 1757(5)(D) (emphasis added). Similarly, the investment authority 
for CUSOs in the FCU Act defines CUSOs as: ``any other organization, 
providing services which are associated with the routine operations of 
credit unions . . . with the approval of the Board.'' 12 U.S.C. 
1757(7)(I).
    By contrast, an FCU has several specifically enumerated express 
powers, as well as the authority to exercise ``such incidental powers 
as shall be necessary or requisite to enable it to carry on effectively 
the business for which it is incorporated.'' 12 U.S.C. 1757(17). There 
is some direct overlap between a FCUs authorized services and that 
which may be provided by a CUSO. For example, while an FCU can always 
do its own data processing, one or more credit unions may be able to 
achieve economies of scale or other efficiencies from securing 
necessary services through a CUSO. Similarly, one or more FCUs may 
secure advantages in terms of available expertise by conducting their 
mortgage or member business loan origination through a CUSO. Other 
services, for example, consumer loan origination, are not an authorized 
activity for CUSOs. Similarly, section 712.5 includes some activities 
that are not authorized for FCUs. The attached Appendix outlines each 
of the areas listed in section 712.5 and outlines whether the activity 
is one that is permissible for an FCU.
    In general, NCUA is pleased with the range and extent of CUSO 
activity. The flexibility reflected in the CUSO rule allows credit 
unions to take advantage of pooled resources to obtain expertise for 
complex programs, such as a sophisticated consumer mortgage loan 
origination or business lending program. For more traditional services, 
use of a CUSO allows an FCU to take advantage of economies of scale in 
obtaining services, resulting in improved services at a lower cost for 
members.
    Question: According to NCUA regulations, the NCUA may limit any 
CUSO activities at any time, based on safety and soundness reasons. How 
many times has the NCUA done so?
    Answer: NCUA has found CUSOs engaging in inappropriate activities. 
These cases are dealt with by requiring corrective action to be 
implemented via the credit union that has investments or loans to the 
CUSO. Unless the corrective action is implemented, NCUA typically 
requires that the credit union divest itself of its investment or loan 
to the CUSO. Prior to September 2005, when NCUA implemented a new 
problem resolution tracking system, the agency did not capture data in 
a format that can be queried for this type of information. The 
resolution of CUSO related problems is documented in individual 
examination reports and it would be labor intensive to generate the 
number of instances corrective action or divestiture was required.
    Two additional factors have a bearing on risk mitigation, from a 
safety and soundness standpoint, as between an FCU and its relationship 
with a CUSO. First, the extent of permissible investment by an FCU in a 
CUSO is limited to one percent, in the aggregate, of the FCU's shares 
plus undivided earnings. An FCU may lend an additional one percent to 
CUSOs. In the unlikely event that an FCU's financial stake in a CUSO 
were to become a total loss, the impact on the FCU's overall capital 
position would not be significant. Second, as more clearly spelled out 
in the CUSO rule, an FCU is required to assure that the corporate veil 
between itself and its CUSO is intact. In accordance with general 
principles of corporate law, the corporate veil insulates a shareholder 
from liability for the debts of the corporation.
    Question: NCUA regulations also state that a CUSO may offer 
services beyond the list of preapproved activities and services only 
with the approval of the NCUA. How many such applications have been 
received by the NCUA, and how many of these applications have been 
approved, and how many have been denied?
    Answer: The provisions in the CUSO rule relating to the ability to 
petition NCUA to request approval for a service not specifically listed 
in the rule have been included in subsection 7 since March, 1998. 12 
C.F.R. 712.7 As the NCUA Board clarified in 2001, the examples under 
the broad categories listed in the rule are for illustrative purposes 
only and are not intended to be exhaustive. Since the adoption of the 
rule, we have reviewed numerous requests for interpretation as to 
whether a specific service, such as the referral to other lenders of 
loan applicants that have been turned down by the credit union and the 
subsequent servicing of those loans, is considered permissible under 
the rule. In accordance with the FCU Act, NCUA is guided in its 
evaluation of any such request by the consideration of whether the 
proposed service relates to or is associated with the routine, daily 
operation of credit unions.
    As prescribed in the rule itself, a request for an addition to the 
broad categories listed in section five should be accompanied by a 
complete analysis and explanation of how the proposal conforms to the 
overall purpose and requirements of the rule, i.e., that the service 
relates to or is associated with the routine, daily operation of credit 
unions. If NCUA determines to act on the request, we would first 
publish notice in the Federal Register, treating the request as a 
petition to amend the rule, and invite public comment, which would be 
reviewed and evaluated before any amendment is made. Since 1998, we 
have received a small number of requests to amend the rule by expanding 
the approved listing of categories, none of which have been approved. 
The Board did amend the rule in 2003 to add the category of business 
loan origination as an approved category, but this determination, which 
became effective after notice and the solicitation of public comment in 
the Federal Register, was made by the Board on its own initiative.
    Question: The NCUA chartering manual recognizes four types of 
affinity on which a community charter can be based: residence, 
education, worship, or employment in the relevant community. For how 
long has the NCUA recognized these forms of affinity as satisfying the 
requirements of the Federal Credit Union Act that an individual be 
``within a well-defined local community, neighborhood or rural 
district''?
    Answer: The NCUA Chartering Manual currently recognizes four types 
of affinity on which a community charter can be based: residence, 
education, worship, or employment. 63 Fed. Reg. 72011, 72037 (Dec. 30, 
1998). NCUA has recognized these forms of affinity as satisfying the 
requirements of the Federal Credit Union Act since various dates as 
reflected in Federal Register issuances. The history is as follows:
    In 1989, NCUA issued a proposed rule and a final rule, Interpretive 
Ruling and Policy Statement (IRPS) 89-1, on its Chartering and Field of 
Membership Policy. In both rules, NCUA wrote: ``Congress has required 
that a credit union charter that will be based on a tie to a specific 
geographic location be limited to a `well-defined neighborhood, 
community, or rural district.' NCUA recognizes two types of affinity on 
which a community common bond can be based: residence and employment.'' 
IRPS 89-1, 54 Fed. Reg. 31165, 31170 (Jul. 27, 1989); 56 Fed. Reg. 
12221, 12225 (Mar. 24, 1989).
    In 1993, NCUA proposed changes to IRPS 89-1, but proposed 
continuing that there be: ``two types of affinity on which a community 
common bond can be based: residence and employment.'' IRPS 93-1, Jul. 
28, 1993. After receiving and reviewing public comments on this 
proposal, NCUA issued a final rule in 1994 adding the affinity based on 
worship. In IRPS 94-1, NCUA ``recognize[d] three types of affinity on 
which a community common bond can be based--persons who live in, 
persons who worship in, and persons who work in the community.'' IRPS 
94-1, 59 Fed. Reg. 29066, 29077 (June 3, 1994).
    In 1995, NCUA proposed changes to IRPS 94-1. 60 Fed. Reg. 51396 
(Oct. 4. 1995). In 1996, NCUA, after receiving and reviewing public 
comments, issued a final rule adding an affinity based on education, 
stating:
    One commenter requests that students should be part of the 
community common bond so that persons who attend any educational 
institution located in a community would be eligible to join a credit 
union whose field of membership includes that community. The Board 
agrees. The Board believes that a student is working for the purpose of 
the community common bond and therefore a person going to school within 
the community boundaries is deemed to be working in the community for 
field of membership purposes. IRPS 96-1, 61 Fed. Reg. 11721, 11725 
(Mar. 22, 1996).
    In 1998, after the passage of the Credit Union Membership Access 
Act (CUMAA), NCUA issued proposed and final rules to implement CUMAA, 
retaining the four previously approved affinities. The preamble to the 
proposed rule stated that: ``NCUA continues to recognize four types of 
affinity on which a community common bond can be based--persons who 
live, work, worship, or attend school in the community.'' 62 Fed. Reg. 
49164, 49167, 49187 (Sept. 14, 1998). After receiving and reviewing 
public comments, NCUA issued a final rule in 1998. IRPS 99-1 stated 
that ``NCUA recognizes four types of affinity on which a community 
charter can be based--persons who live in, worship in, attend school 
in, or work in the community.'' IRPS 99-1, 63 Fed. Reg. 72011, 72037 
(Dec. 30, 1998).
    Question: Is there any requirement that a credit union verify that 
a potential member prove that he works, attends school, worships, or 
resides in the relevant community?
    Answer: Section 5 of a federal credit union's charter defines those 
persons eligible for membership in a community credit union. Article 
II, Sections I and II of a federal credit union's bylaws provide that 
membership applications will be signed and accepted, and approved or 
denied from those eligible persons. Credit unions must comply with 
their bylaws, and NCUA has an expectation that credit unions will only 
serve individuals who qualify for membership.
    It is standard practice for credit unions to maintain completed 
signature or membership cards for their members. A sample signature 
card form is provided to credit unions in Section 707, appendix B of 
NCUA's Rules and Regulations. The sample form includes a statement by 
the member certifying he or she is within the credit union's field of 
membership. In the Supervisory Committee Guide for federal credit 
unions, Supervisory Committees are tasked with ensuring adequate 
internal controls exist over share accounts. The testing of new member 
signature cards for proper member qualification and approval is one 
element of signature card control itemized in the Internal Control 
Checklist for share accounts. NCUA examiners consider such testing 
during their normal review of Supervisory Committee activity, and also 
during their own review of share accounts. Chapter 14 of NCUA's 
examiner guide sets forth the examination objective to determine share 
account programs meet all legal requirements.

    [Question submitted from Mr. Johnson to Ms. JoAnn Johnson, 
and her response follows:]

    Question: A majority of the House delegation from Texas, including 
myself, sent letters to the NCUA detailing our concern with what 
appeared to be unnecessary regulatory obstacles thrown in front of two 
Texas-based credit unions in their attempts to convert to for-profit, 
taxable banks. After having to go back and forth through the courts, 
the credit unions were finally allowed to convert to banks. What I'd 
like to know is what steps, if any, the NCUA is taking to ensure credit 
unions which choose to convert to tax-paying, for-profit banks are able 
to do so?
    Answer: NCUA fully supports the legal ability of credit union 
members to change the charter of their financial institution under the 
Federal Credit Union Act and NCUA regulations and acknowledges that 
NCUA's regulatory role is limited to oversight of the methods and 
procedures of the vote. In carrying out its responsibility, NCUA 
believes complete and accurate disclosures for members are crucial to a 
fair and legal vote and members are entitled to know the effects a 
conversion to a mutual savings bank will have on their ownership and 
control of their financial institution.

    [Submissions for the record follow:]
Statement of Walter C. Ayers, Virginia Bankers Association, Glen Allen, 
                                Virginia
    Should the Wright Patman Congressional Federal Credit Union and the 
United States Senate Credit be using their tax-exempt status to compete 
in the private sector, providing services to non-government entities? 
Well, they are, as are many other government based credit unions that 
have chosen to morph away from their roots. Therefore, we believe that 
it is most appropriate that the Ways and Means Committee is conducting 
hearings to examine the role of the tax-exempt sector in our economy, 
including the wisdom of continuing the tax exemption of credit unions 
that have morphed into bank-like institutions
    Credit unions have already captured 25% of the deposit base in the 
Commonwealth of Virginia, and are growing deposits at almost twice the 
rate of banks. While it is a process that seems to be happening below 
the public policy radar screen, deposits are being transferred from 
taxpaying institutions over to tax-exempt institutions at a rapid pace.
    With respect to morphed credit unions, there are two significant 
developments in Virginia. First, are all of the aggressive growth 
credit unions that were government and military based when created, 
that have left their original mission, in some cases changed their 
names to conceal their former purpose, and now use multiple and 
community common bonds to serve the general public. The second 
development is the evolution of the same thing for specific industry 
based credit unions. Many of these credit unions now bear no 
resemblance to the purpose for which they were originally created.
    Ironically, the abandonment of original mission, and the use of the 
tax-exemption to compete in the private sector, starts right inside the 
United States House of Representatives with the Wright Patman 
Congressional Federal Credit Union, a $435 million asset credit union 
that most would assume exist to serve members of the U.S. House of 
Representatives and staff. In fact, Congressional Federal has adopted a 
multiple common bond approach and morphed away from its original 
purpose. It is now using its tax-exempt status to market its services 
to Virginia based private sector employee groups that have absolutely 
nothing to do with the House of Representatives or with government. 
Indeed, Congressional Federal, as is typical of those listed below, 
states on its web site ``we have a wide variety of groups in our 
membership including law firms, health organizations, software 
companies, and many others.'' Was it the intent of the U.S. House of 
Representatives, when it authorized the creation of its credit union 
that its tax-exempt status be used to serve law firms, software 
companies, etc.? One would surely hope not.
    Based on information published on their web sites, I list below 
additional examples of credit unions headquartered in Virginia that 
have capitalized on their tax-exempt status to make the same strategic 
shift away from original purpose as has Congressional Federal.

      The United States Senate Credit Union is now a $338 
million asset institution that now uses a multiple common bond to 
serves numerous private sector employee groups that obliviously have 
nothing to do with the U.S. Senate.
      The State Department Credit Union, an $814 million asset 
credit union, has stepped well beyond its roots, and now serves 
disparate private sector groups outside the Department.
      Northwest FCU, a $1.402 billon credit, apparently began 
as a credit union to serve employees of the CIA. Today, it serves some 
300 non-government groups in high income northern Virginia. All that is 
required by this credit union for an employee group to become a part of 
its common bond is for a company to send in a letter on company 
letterhead.
      Langley Federal is a $1,099 billion credit union that has 
morphed from a credit union serving Langley Air Base to a general 
purpose depository institution that now uses a multiple common bond to 
serve whomever it chooses to enroll, largely by adding private sector 
employee groups.
      ABNB is a $324 million credit union. It was formerly the 
Amphibious Navel Base Credit Union, but has now morphed into an 
institution that uses a community common bond to serve the general 
population across eight Virginia counties and cities.
      Chartway FCU is a $1,033 billion asset credit union that 
was originally the Navy Air Credit Union. Over the years, it left its 
military anchor and morphed into a multiple common bond credit union 
serving over 600 different employer groups. Now, they simply advertise 
that they serve anyone that lives where they have branches across five 
states.
      Commonwealth One, formerly the Army Air Force Annex #1 
Credit Union, is now a $225 million credit union serving over 100 wide 
ranging groups, mostly private sector, that have nothing to do with the 
origins of this credit union. Plus, this credit union now claims a 
community common bond involving four counties and cities.
      1st Advantage FCU started as the Fort Eustis Credit 
Union. Today it has morphed into a $425 million asset general purpose 
institution that advertises that it serves anyone who lives on the 
Virginia Peninsula.
      Pentagon Federal is a $7,974 billon credit union 
established to serve the military. It now uses a multiple common bond 
to serve private sector employee groups.
      The University of Virginia Credit Union, a $314 million 
credit union, no longer makes any pretense of existing to serve 
University of Virginia employees. It now has a community common bond 
and serves the general public across eight counties and cities.
      The Virginia Credit Union, with $1.240 billon in assets, 
no longer limits itself to serving government employees. It now has a 
multiple common bond and has already enrolled over 225 employer groups, 
most of which have nothing to do with government, and like so many 
other credit unions, this credit union is tapping into higher income 
groups--insurance companies, doctor groups, law firms, etc.
    1.  Apple FCU had its origins as a government based credit union 
for teachers. Today, it is a $773 million asset credit union that 
serves a large number of disparate, non-teacher groups in Northern 
Virginia that range from the Bar Association to software companies.
      Member One FCU, a $318 million asset credit union, is the 
former N&W Railroad credit union. This credit union left its original 
mission and now serves several hundred major employer groups, PLUS 
geographic areas involving 14 Virginia counties and cities.
      DuPont Community is a $507 million asset credit union 
that has abandoned its mission of serving DuPont employees and now has 
a community common bond to serve the public across a 11 county and city 
region.
      Newport News Shipbuilding Employees' Credit Union, an 
$883 million institution, is no longer for shipbuilders. While its 
sponsoring company is primarily a defense contractor, this credit union 
now has a community common bond, and serves the general public across a 
16 county and city geographic area.

    To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is happening, 15 
credit unions now control 83% of total credit union deposits in 
Virginia. Five of the ten largest depository institutions headquartered 
in Virginia are now tax-exempt credit unions. Stated simply, there is a 
new breed of aggressive growth credit unions that offer virtually 
everything a bank can offer, and they have been given an open field to 
serve the public. The one thing that has not changed is they get to 
keep their tax exemption. The tax exemption has become a reward to this 
new breed of credit unions for abandoning original mission. It is a 
reward for adding doctors, lawyers, accounts, IT firms, etc., to the 
list of groups served. In effect, it is a reward for legal redlining, 
that is, carving high income groups into a multiple common bond while 
ignoring the underserved. It is a reward for obtaining a community 
common bond and serving the general population. In short, the tax 
exemption has become a reward for aggressive growth credit unions for 
no longer serving ``people of small means'', which was the original 
intent of credit unions. Little wonder that the GAO concluded that 
banks do a better job than credit unions of serving the underserved.
    Does anyone believe the above illustrated developments were 
intended when the tax exemption was granted credit unions in 1937? I 
don't believe so. Is it not time to tax this new breed of aggressive 
growth credit unions that have morphed into bank-like institutions? 
Surely it is.

                                 

                                          Navy Federal Credit Union
                                             Vienna, Virginia 22180
                                                  November 10, 2005
The Honorable William M. Thomas
Chairman
Committee on Ways and Means
U.S. House of Representatives
2208 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Chairman:

    On Thursday, November 3, 2005, in his testimony before the House of 
Representatives Committee on Ways and Means regarding the ``Review of 
Credit Union Tax Exemption,'' John Taylor, President and CEO of the 
National Community Reinvestment Coalition (NCRC), attacked Navy 
Federal's record of lending to minorities, low-income borrowers, and 
women. NCRC often appears to slant its research findings to support its 
predetermined conclusions. In the past, we have brought errors in 
NCRC's data analysis to its attention and offered to meet with Mr. 
Taylor to discuss inaccuracies in its analyses and issues related to 
how best to serve low income, minority and disadvantaged borrowers. 
NCRC has not responded to our inquiries and invitations.
    Navy Federal has an outstanding record of serving women, minority, 
and low- to moderate-income members of the credit union. A principal 
example of our commitment to serving all of our members, regardless of 
race or gender, is our history of mortgage loan approvals. Our 
percentage of loan denials of women and minority applicants is 
consistently well below the average of other mortgage lenders 
nationwide as evidenced by the following table:

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                                                     Navy                      Navy                      Navy
                                      National    Federal's     National    Federal's     National    Federal's
               Year                    Black        Black       Hispanic     Hispanic      Women        Women
                                       Denial       Denial       Denial       Denial       Denial       Denial
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2004                                   30.50%       17.05%       23.61%       11.32%       23.47%       12.15%
2003                                   27.85%       15.65%       21.56%       10.06%       19.15%        9.22%
2002                                   24.70%        7.58%       19.16%        6.00%       16.45%        3.47%
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    Additionally, Navy Federal has taken several specific steps to 
assist low- to moderate-income and minority members in obtaining 
financing for their mortgage loans:

      Counseling--Employees provide detailed counseling and 
education to members to make certain they understand the homebuying and 
mortgage loan process. In addition to face-to-face and telephone 
counseling, we also conduct Homebuyers Seminars in areas where we have 
concentrations of members. These seminars are directed to first-time 
homebuyers.
      Low Cost Loans--Navy Federal does not charge any ``junk 
fees'' on our mortgage loans, and we always strive to provide the 
lowest rate possible to our members. We also have loan programs that do 
not require private mortgage insurance for loans with low down 
payments. These considerations allow more members to qualify for our 
loans by reducing their monthly payments and out-of-pocket costs.
      Minority Loan Review Committee--A group of minority 
employees review all loans to minorities that are denied. This insures 
that there are no hidden biases in Navy Federal's underwriting 
decisions.
      100% financing--To assist first-time homebuyers, Navy 
Federal offers a program with no down payment required.
      HELPER loan--Navy Federal is getting ready to introduce 
this CUNA mortgage program that offers a 3/1 ARM loan, at 1% below 
market, to borrowers with low incomes.

    I respectfully request that this letter be included in the record 
of the testimony presented to the House Committee on Ways and Means, 
Thursday, November 3, 2005.
    Navy Federal has a proven record of fair lending, and I am 
confident that the needs of our entire membership are being well-
served.
            Sincerely,
                                                      Cutler Dawson
                                                      President/CEO

                                 

                      National Association of Federal Credit Unions
                                          Arlington, Virginia 22201
                                                  November 17, 2005
The Honorable William M. Thomas
Chairman
Committee on Ways and Means
United States House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Thomas:

    I am writing on behalf of the National Association of Federal 
Credit Unions (NAFCU), the only national trade association that 
exclusively represents the interests of our nation's federal credit 
unions, to submit information for the record of the hearing on the 
``Review of the Credit Union Tax Exemption'' that was held November 3, 
2005.
    Two issues were raised at the hearing on which we would like to 
comment on further--credit union transparency and credit union service 
to those of modest means.
    There appeared to be some confusion during the hearing regarding 
the transparency of credit union financial reporting. NAFCU wants to 
stress to that there is full and complete transparency with respect to 
credit union finances. All federally insured credit unions must file 
with the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) a form 5300 Call 
Report on a quarterly basis. The call report--a public document--
includes comprehensive credit union financial data. (A copy of the call 
report of Navy Federal Credit Union, downloaded from NCUA's Web site, 
is attached.) A number of independent rating firms use this public data 
to rate individual credit unions (e.g., IDC Financial). We would also 
note that over 87 percent of federally insured credit unions' annual 
audits are performed by external auditors or by state-licensed persons.
    As you will note from the attached 5300 Call Report, it includes 
detailed information about real estate loans (Schedule A), member 
business loans (Schedule B), investments (Schedule C), credit union 
service organizations (Schedule D), borrowings (Schedule E), savings 
(Schedule F), off-balance sheet commitments (Schedule G), information 
systems and technology, and other miscellaneous information (e.g., new 
programs or service offerings). We would also note that in some areas 
the credit union call report contains more information than that 
provided by other financial depository institutions. For example, 
details on loan maturity and interest rates charged are not collected 
on the public reports submitted by other depository institutions.
    In addition to the 5300 Call Report, federal credit unions must, 
under the Federal Credit Union Act, adopt bylaws. Credit unions may 
adopt the 1999 bylaws as set forth by the NCUA, a previous edition of 
the NCUA bylaws, or a combination thereof, and the credit union may 
also request from NCUA approval for bylaws amendments.
    Subsection 6(c) of Article VII of the 1999 bylaws promulgated by 
NCUA states:
    ``. . . the financial officer will: ``Within 20 days after the 
close of each month, ensure that a financial statement showing the 
condition of this credit union as of the end of the month, including a 
summary of delinquent loans, is prepared and submitted to the board and 
post a copy of such statement in a conspicuous place in the office of 
the credit union where it will remain until replaced by the financial 
statement for the next succeeding month.''
    As an example, a copy of Navy Federal Credit Union's statement of 
financial condition as of October 31, 2005, downloaded from Navy 
Federal Credit Union's website, is also attached.
    We would also like to address the issue of service to people of 
modest means and minority populations. While not the subject of the 
hearing, we find it ironic that the banking trade associations (ABA, 
ACB, ICBA) would appear before the committee to criticize credit union 
service to those of modest means when the financial institutions 
represented by their witnesses granted a total of 13 mortgage loans to 
minority households in 2004, according to the most recent HMDA data.
    I have attached a copy of a chapter from NAFCU's 2005 Report to the 
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve that addresses in further 
detail how credit unions are serving the underserved. As detailed in 
the attached, there are more low-income-designated credit unions and 
underserved areas being added by credit unions each year. In addition, 
when compared to banks and thrifts, credit unions approve real estate 
loans that are smaller in size, approve a greater percentage of 
conforming real estate loans and have a greater percentage of real 
estate borrowers with less than $40,000 in income.
    Finally, our analysis shows that when credit unions grant mortgage 
loans to households with under $40,000 in income, or to minority 
households, a significantly fewer number of credit unions are charging 
3 percentage points or more above the Treasury benchmark, a new area of 
HMDA data reporting in 2004. This again demonstrates the benefits that 
credit unions provide their members over and above that provided by 
other financial depository institutions.
    We thank you for this opportunity to add these comments to the 
record of this hearing. NAFCU looks forward to working with you on this 
and other matters as they arise. Should you wish to discuss these 
matters, please feel free to contact Brad Thaler, NAFCU's Director of 
Legislative Affairs, at (703) 522-4770, ext. 204, or me at (703) 522-
4770, ext. 215.
            Sincerely,
                                                Fred R. Becker, Jr.
                                                  President and CEO

                                 

                                    California Credit Union Leagues
                                 Rancho Cucamonga, California 91730
                                                  November 15, 2005
The Honorable William M. Thomas
Chairman, Committee on Ways & Means
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Chairman Thomas:

    On behalf of the California and Nevada Credit Union Leagues, I 
appreciate the opportunity to submit a letter for the record regarding 
the Committee's Hearing on Review of the Credit Union Tax Exemption 
held on November 3, 2005. Together, the California and Nevada Credit 
Union Leagues represent the largest state trade association for credit 
unions in the United States, serving 500 member credit unions in 
California and Nevada with 9 million members.
    This letter will address several false and misleading claims made 
by credit union critics during the hearing, as well as describe how 
credit unions remain true to the mission for which they were created.
Credit Unions Are Serving Those of Modest Means
    Despite misleading claims to the contrary made during the hearing, 
credit unions are proactively serving their current members of modest 
means, and making impressive strides in attracting potential members in 
this group to join credit unions.
    A Filene Research Institute publication titled ``Who Uses Credit 
Unions'' (updated 2004; originally published in 1999), which uses 
Federal Reserve data, showed that the average net income, financial 
assets and net worth of people using only (or predominately) credit 
unions are all below those of people using only (or predominately) 
banks. The average household income for those using only banks was 
$76,923, while the average household income for those using only credit 
unions was $42,664. The median net financial worth of those households 
using banks only was $21,500, while the median net financial worth of 
those households using credit unions only was $7,900. The Filene 
Research Institute also reports that the average credit union member 
typically has modest loan and deposit balances:
    Auto loan balance, $11,900; Business loan, $142,500.
    Signature loan balance, $2,200; Savings account, $2,000.
    First Mortgage loan, $99,700; Checking account, $2,200.
    Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data consistently shows that 
low-income borrowers are substantially more likely to be approved for a 
mortgage at a credit union than at any other type of lender. In 2003, 
credit unions nationwide approved 72.2 percent of home mortgage loans 
to low-income borrowers (up from 69 percent in 2000). By contrast, non-
credit union lenders nationwide approved only 47.8 percent of such 
loans (up from 46 percent in 2000). In 2003, credit unions denied 15.6 
percent of mortgage loans to low-income borrowers. Non-credit union 
lenders denied 27.7 percent of loans to low-income borrowers. Viewed 
another way, the approval rate for mortgages is 151% higher at credit 
unions than at other lenders. These approval rates hold true for credit 
unions in every state.
    A significant way credit unions provide value to those of modest 
means is through the pricing of their services. Numerous studies and 
reports show that credit unions charge fewer and lower fees than do 
banks for the same kinds of services.\1\ In particular, minimum 
balances to avoid fees are typically much lower at credit unions than 
at banks. Lower rates on loans, especially on used cars and small 
loans, are another way credit unions serve those of modest means.
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    \1\ 2004-2005 Credit Union Fees Survey, CUNA. Big Banks, Bigger 
Fees2001, U.S. Public Interest Research Group. New Jersey Department of 
Banking and Insurance, various surveys. The Money Talks Personal 
Finance Advice website at www. Moneytalks.org.
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    A Woodstock Institute report comparing the terms and conditions of 
the nation's 10 largest banks and 10 largest credit unions found that 
the credit unions performed better in terms of interest rates, late 
fees, over-the-limit penalties, grace periods, and disclosure in 
terms.\2\ In explaining why the huge difference in fee structures 
between the two types of financial institutions, the report cited two 
factors: 1) credit unions' nonprofit cooperative structure, which leads 
to a different cost structure than banks; and 2) the credit union 
mission. ``Their mission,'' the report noted, ``is one reason why 
credit union-issued credit cards might have different terms than cards 
issued by other financial institutions.'' As the Woodstock report 
illustrates, credit unions continue to adhere to their original mission 
to provide working people with access to affordable financial services.
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    \2\ Blindfolded Into Debt: A Comparison of Credit Card Costs and 
Conditions at Banks and Credit Union, Woodstock Institute. July 2005.
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    For decades, most credit unions could generally only offer 
membership to people who were part of an occupational group. This had 
the effect of limiting credit union access to members of modest means. 
However, the passage of the Credit Union Membership Access Act in 1998 
gave occupational-based credit unions a streamlined way to add 
geographic areas to their memberships that are ``underserved'' (not 
based on occupational bonds). This provision gave credit unions a 
greater opportunity to serve persons from all walks of life--including 
the lowest income levels. In other words, more people--especially those 
in low or moderate income areas--have only recently become eligible for 
credit union membership. Since 1999, more than 650 federal credit 
unions have added 1,406 underserved areas to their fields of 
membership. In the three years ending December 2003, credit unions that 
added these underserved areas experienced membership growth over three 
times that of other credit unions (17.4 percent vs. 5.2 percent over 
the three year period).
    While credit unions remain committed to serving those of modest 
means, we must point out that credit unions could not remain viable if 
they served only those of low or moderate income. As financial 
cooperatives, credit unions provide services and benefits for its 
members in proportion to what its members contribute to it. In other 
words, to have a viable cooperative you must have those who ``have'' 
and those who ``have not.'' A credit union cannot provide loans to its 
members unless other members have made deposits from which to loan. We 
believe credit unions should provide all members the same opportunity 
to improve their financial well-being.
Big is Not Bad
    We would like to address a misunderstanding introduced during the 
hearing that larger or more complex credit unions have strayed from 
their original mission and are therefore undeserving of their tax-
exempt status. There is no legal or historical basis for this view. The 
tax exemption Congress granted in 1937, and upheld in 1951 and 1998, 
was not related at all to the size of the institution benefiting from 
it. It was based primarily on the cooperative structure of credit 
unions (i.e., member-owned, democratically operated, not-for-profit 
organizations generally managed by volunteer boards of directors).
    Do other tax-exempt organizations risk losing their tax exemption 
when they get ``too big?'' For example, should the Red Cross be subject 
to taxation because they've grown larger than small, local 
organizations that also provide relief or charitable services? Larger 
credit unions are still democratically controlled, not-for-profit 
institutions in every way that smaller credit unions are. A larger 
credit union may be more likely to offer a broader array of services, 
and have larger presence in a local market, but this does not make it 
less a cooperative organization than a smaller credit union.
    It's also important to note that the credit union tax exemption was 
not granted and reaffirmed by Congress on the premise that credit 
unions must offer only limited services to their members. Congress has 
never suggested that credit unions forgo pursuing technological 
improvements to their systems, or ignore consumer demand for more 
convenient services, in exchange for tax exemption. The argument that 
larger credit unions should be taxed simply because they offer similar 
services to many banks ignores the fact that the tax exemption was 
granted and upheld based on the organizational form of credit unions 
and not on a credit union's size or sophistication, or the degree of 
competition it may provide to other financial institutions. To view it 
from another angle: it doesn't appear that banks are subject to 
taxation because of the array of products and services they may offer, 
they are taxed because of their structure--that is, they are non-
democratically-controlled, profit-maximizing organizations.
    The economies of scale of larger credit unions make it possible for 
them to offer more affordable and responsive services to members of 
modest means. The presence and cooperation of larger credit unions 
enables smaller credit unions to access infrastructure such as shared 
ATM networks (e.g., CO-OP Network), the corporate credit union system, 
group lending programs, and shared branching. (Shared branching allows 
credit union members to conduct transactions on their accounts at any 
credit union that belongs to the shared branching network. We would 
like to clarify that shared branching does not, however, involve shared 
membership. Members are permitted to obtain loans and other services 
only at credit unions to which they belong.) The size and efficiency of 
larger credit unions allows them to provide all of their members--
including those of modest means--with lower loan rate and fees and 
higher dividend rates.
    Larger credit unions are also more able to offer special programs 
benefiting low- and moderate-income households. In CUNA's ``Serving 
Members of Modest Means'' Survey Report, published in 2003, when asked 
how many of up to 18 services geared to low-moderate income households 
were offered, only six percent of credit unions with assets below $20 
million offered at least half of the services. Fully 42 percent of 
credit unions with assets over $500 million offered most of the 
services. The survey also showed that larger credit unions are also 
more likely than smaller credit unions to participate in outreach 
activities to attract low/moderate income members, and to have added 
underserved areas to their fields of membership.
Credit Unions are Not Mutual Savings Banks
    During the hearing, some witnesses attempted to suggest that credit 
unions are no different from mutual savings banks and, since mutual 
savings banks pay federal taxes, credit unions should be taxed, too. 
Although many savings banks and S&Ls are mutually owned, there are key 
differences in structure and operation that continue to make credit 
unions unique.
    Mutual savings banks lost their tax exemption in 1951 not because 
they had become ``too big'' or too similar to other financial services 
providers, but because they had lost their ``mutuality,'' in the sense 
that the institutions' depositors did not exercise democratic control 
of the enterprise. Specifically, Congress found:

      Mutual savings banks had evolved into commercial bank 
competitors. Unlike 1951, however, there is no evidence that today's 
credit unions are a competitive threat to banks or thrifts. In fact, 
the FDIC reports that banks have enjoyed record profits each of the 
last four years. The real competition in the banking industry has been 
taking place between small and large banks. Since 1993, small community 
banks have lost nearly half of their depository market share to the 
largest 100 U.S. banking institutions, while credit unions have 
maintained the same depository market share.\3\
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      Mutual savings banks had engaged in widespread proxy 
voting schemes. Federal credit unions are prohibited from using proxy 
votes under the Federal Credit Union Act (12 USC 1760), while mutual 
savings banks continue to use proxy voting. Thus, in a mutual savings 
bank, the board, which directs all policies and operations of the 
institution, can be elected through control of the proxies. The OTS 
clearly states the practical application of this practice in their 
Regulatory Handbook (Section 110, Capital and Stock Ownership):
      ``In practice, members delegate voting rights and the 
operation of federal mutual saving associations through the granting of 
proxies typically given to the board of directors--or a committee 
appointed by a majority of the board.''
      Mutual savings banks were not democratically controlled 
(voting was based on the size of each member's deposit). Even today, 
under OTS rules, mutual savings banks can--and often do--apportion 
voting privileges based on one vote for each $100 in an account, up to 
1000 votes. In 1998, OTS changed its regulations to permit mutual 
savings banks to amend their bylaws to allow from one to 1000 votes per 
member. In direct contrast to this practice, each credit union member 
has always had one vote, regardless of the amount they have in the 
credit union.

    So, while some mutual savings banks may tout that they are 
``community and employee owned,'' it's unlikely that their depositors 
enjoy the equal ownership and voting rights afforded to all credit 
union members. In fact, what the OTS and the courts have said about 
ownership ``rights'' of federally chartered mutual thrift depositors 
clearly support this. An illustrative case is Ordower v. Office of 
Thrift Supervision, where mutual bank depositors challenged the OTS's 
approval of a conversion from a mutual savings bank to stock form.\4\ 
The court stated:
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    \4\ Protecting the Rights and Interests of Credit Union Members, 
American Association of Credit Union Leagues, August 2005.
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    ``Nominally the customers own the mutual, but it is ownership in 
name only.''
    The OTS' Regulatory Handbook also states:
    ``The ability to exercise control over a mutual savings association 
by its members is not coextensive with the rights of stockholders of 
ordinary corporations.'' (Section 110, Capital and Stock Ownership)
    Other key differences between credit unions and mutual savings 
banks include:

      Not for Profit: Credit unions are not-for-profit 
financial cooperatives, while mutual savings banks operate for the 
mutual profit of their owners. Indeed, given the limited rights of 
depositors of mutual savings banks as described above, the only thing 
``mutual'' about mutual savings banks appears to be the way they 
operate for the mutual profit of their owners.
      Volunteer service: Most credit union boards of directors 
serve voluntarily and are unpaid. Board members are elected by and from 
the credit union's membership. Mutual savings banks have paid 
directors.
      Limited market: Credit unions are restricted by statute 
to a limited field of membership composed of specific groups or those 
in a geographical area. Mutual savings banks have no such restrictions.
      Limited powers: Credit unions are the most heavily 
regulated of all financial institutions. They must operate within 
limitations on business lending, loan interest rates, loan maturities, 
investments, and a host of other restrictions that don't apply to 
mutual savings banks, and are not allowed access to capital markets.
CRA is Not Appropriate for Credit Unions
    Banks are subject to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) for one 
simple reason: prior to the passage of CRA, banks accepted the deposits 
of low-income customers but many banks routinely ``redlined'' poor 
areas as too high-risk for lending. In response, Congress passed CRA in 
1977 to require financial institutions to make credit available to 
those who deposited funds in a given financial institution. Congress 
exempted credit unions because credit unions--by law and in practice--
can only lend to their members (i.e., those who belong to a given 
credit union).
    CRA is not appropriate for credit unions for some of the following 
reasons:

      Credit union data results are inherently skewed under CRA 
because of legal restrictions that banks or thrifts do not face:
          Banks and thrifts have no limits on who they can 
        serve.
          Credit unions' outreach area is restricted by their 
        field of membership.
          Even ``community'' credit unions can only serve 
        members.
      CUs are legally barred from providing ``lifeline 
services'' to households that are in need and are eligible for 
membership, but have not formally become members.
          The result: vulnerable households face yet another 
        barrier to accessing basic transaction services.
          Credit unions are technically restricted from serving 
        the very households CRA was intended to reach even though those 
        households qualify for membership.
          Credit unions and consumers are denied the 
        opportunity to build trust and a longer-term financial 
        relationship over a series of transactions.
      CRA emphasizes lending, especially mortgage and business 
loans.
          Credit unions specialize in flexible savings products 
        and consumer loans, which are much more fundamental products 
        and services for households of modest means.
          CRA doesn't measure consumer lending, the core 
        business of most credit unions.
          Credit unions face a legislated cap on member 
        business loans of 1.75 times their net worth up to a maximum of 
        12.25% of assets for ``well-capitalized'' credit unions.
      Regulatory restrictions on credit union investments 
render credit unions ineligible to earn substantial CRA credits under 
the ``investment test.''
          Credit unions cannot legally make investments in 
        community development corporations (CDCs) or community 
        development loan funds (CDLFs) that banks can and do use for 
        CRA credit; credit unions are also prohibited from 
        participation in tax-credited affordable housing bonds, the New 
        Markets Tax Credit Program, and CDFI Fund grants of taxpayer 
        money for community development projects.
          Thus, credit unions cannot invest in affordable 
        housing projects, community development centers, etcetera 
        whereas banks and thrifts can.

    In closing, the California and Nevada Credit Union Leagues would 
like to thank the Committee for the opportunity to provide additional 
information for the record regarding the unique nature of credit 
unions. Credit unions have by no means abandoned the statutory mandate 
Congress gave them in 1934 to remain modest-means focused and 
cooperative in nature. The federal tax exemption--its privilege and its 
responsibilities--motivates the decision process for all credit unions, 
whether they are decisions regarding members, products and services, or 
field of membership. We believe the evidence clearly shows that credit 
unions--both large and small--remain true to their original mission of 
providing all members with the means to build a better way of life.
            Sincerely,
                                                 David L. Chatfield
                                                      President/CEO

                                 

               Statement of Financial Services Roundtable
    The Financial Services Roundtable believes it is necessary to 
examine the tax exemption of federal credit unions. There is a class of 
credit unions that appear to have less focus on serving individuals of 
modest means and a field of membership that stretches the definition of 
a ``common bond.'' This, coupled with the ability of these taxpayer 
subsidized credit unions to offer services similar to that of tax-
paying financial institutions, as a matter of competitive fairness, 
brings into question whether it is appropriate for these credit unions 
to be tax exempt. The Roundtable believes the Committee must examine 
this tax exemption, which is in part based on: 1) these credit unions 
serving individuals of modest means, and; 2) a ``common bond'' that 
defines a credit union's membership.
    The Financial Services Roundtable represents 100 of the largest 
integrated financial services companies providing banking, insurance, 
and investment products and services to the American consumer. Member 
companies participate through the Chief Executive Officer and other 
senior executives nominated by the CEO.
    Roundtable member companies provide fuel for America's economic 
engine, accounting directly for $40.7 trillion in managed assets, $960 
billion in revenue, and 2.3 million jobs
Serving Individuals of Modest Means?
    Part of the basis for the tax-exempt status of credit unions is 
their service to individuals of modest means. The Credit Union 
Membership Access Act of 1998 states, it is in part ``because they have 
the specified mission of meeting the credit and savings needs of 
consumers, especially persons of modest means.''
    A key question that must be examined is if credit unions are 
serving individuals of modest means. Based on data available credit 
unions serve those of modest means, but also serve a significant 
portion of individuals with substantial means. Based on a recent 
demographic survey by the Credit Union National Association the average 
household income of a credit union member is $55,120, which is 
significantly higher than the median household income in the United 
States of $44,389.
    The Government Accountability Office in a 2003 report stated 
``[o]ur assessment of available data--the Federal Reserve's 2001 SCF, 
2001 HMDA data, and other studies--provided some indication that credit 
unions served a slightly lower proportion of households with low and 
moderate incomes than banks.'' More specifically the report indicates 
that only 36% of households that primarily or only use credit unions 
are of low and moderate income, compared to 42% that primarily or only 
use banks.
    The information available suggests that credit unions are not doing 
as well as other financial institutions in serving individuals of 
modest means.
A Broad Common Bond
    Credit unions also receive a tax exemption due to the nature of 
their membership or specifically the common bond that is shared between 
members. The Credit Union Membership Access Act states, with respect to 
this common bond that ``a meaningful affinity and bond among members, 
manifested by a commonality of routine interaction, shared and related 
work experiences, interests, or activities, or the maintenance of an 
otherwise well-understood sense of cohesion or identity is essential to 
the fulfillment of the public mission of credit unions.'' Today, in 
practice, what constitutes a common bond stretches this definition 
allowing for the formation of large credit unions that compete for the 
same customers as tax-paying financial institution in local markets.
    Today credit unions that share a common occupational bond are 
permitted to add other occupational groups to their membership based on 
what has been said to be pro-forma approval of the NCUA. Although even 
more troubling is the approval by the NCUA of charters for credit 
unions with a large community as a common bond, which has fueled the 
conversion of existing credit unions to community credit unions. In 
2004, there were 84 conversions to community credit unions with some 
having the ability to serve millions of members.
    These community credit unions are typically chartered to serve 
people ``who live, work and worship or attend schools in, and 
businesses and other legal entities located in'' a particular area. 
Given the population of some of these areas there is a large potential 
membership pool. Some examples of credit unions converting to community 
charters in 2004 include:

      The LA Financial Credit Union, which will be able to 
serve all of Los Angeles County, California and has a potential 
membership of 9.6 million people.
      The Dessert Schools Credit Union, which will be able to 
serve all of Maricopa County, Arizona and has a potential membership of 
3.1 million people.
      The Dallas Teleco Credit Union, which will be able to 
serve all of Dallas County, Texas and has a potential membership of 2.2 
million people.
      The U.S. Credit Union, which be able to serve the 
counties of Anoka, Carver, Dakota, Hennepin, Ramsey, Scott and 
Washington Counties, Minnesota and has the potential membership of 2.6 
million members.

    These four conversions account for over 5% of the population of the 
United States. From the end of 1999 through 2004, there have been 589 
credit unions established or converted to community charters.
    This ability to serve millions of people in a community, not only 
stretches the definition of a common bond, but creates local markets 
where a tax-subsidized credit union can compete community-wide with 
tax-paying financial institutions for the same customer.
Issue of Fairness
    Today credit unions offer a full range of services and products, 
including commercial lending services. In essence, credit unions are 
indistinguishable from banks. On a local level as credit unions are 
able to serve whole communities it creates a competitive disadvantage 
for tax-paying financial institutions.
    The tax-payer subsidized credit unions have a price advantage over 
the tax-paying institutions in competing for the same customer base. A 
study on credit unions in Virginia, by Professors Neil Murphy and 
Dennis O'Toole attributes a ``67 basis point advantage in loan pricing 
and deposit pricing'' to credit unions' tax-exemption.
    If a credit union does not have to focus on individuals of modest 
means and is permitted to serve large communities, why should it be 
entitled to a tax exemption? As credit unions are permitted to serve 
large communities, it has the potential to create two banking systems 
in a local market, one that is tax payer subsidized and another that 
pays taxes. Fairness dictates that they similarly situated institutions 
be treated equally.
Conclusion
    As the Committee examines the tax exempt status of credit union, 
the Roundtable believes it is important to pay particular attention to 
large credit unions that are unlimited in their ability to compete in a 
market for the same customers as financial institutions.
    The Roundtable believes it is necessary to evaluate whether these 
credit unions are actually serving their intend purpose of providing 
services to individuals of modest means, or have greater interest in 
serving all members of a community through a broad common bond. It is 
an issue of competitive fairness as tax-payer subsidized credit unions 
are indistinguishable from banks and compete for the same customers. It 
is important to ask if the American tax-payer should continue to 
subsidize theses credit unions.

                                 

 Statement of the Honorable Phil English, a Representative in Congress 
                     from the State of Pennsylvania
    I commend Chairman Thomas and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman 
Ramstad for holding today's hearing to review the tax-exemption for 
credit unions. The oversight responsibility of the Ways and Means 
Committee is one of its most important roles and examining the vast 
corners of the tax-exempt sector falls squarely within that 
responsibility. A thorough assessment of the standards for tax-
exemption for credit unions, as well as other tax-exempt entities, 
helps our Committee fulfill its responsibility to American taxpayers.
    Through this process, I look forward to examining the benefits the 
nation receives in exchange for the credit union tax exemption. The 
credit unions in my home state of Pennsylvania alone, serve 3.5 million 
customers. In my district in the northwestern part of the state, many 
working class families rely on credit unions for low-cost financial 
services.
    As we examine the structure of these not-profit credit unions, I 
welcome examples of the benefits credit unions consumers receive, 
including in the form of favorable interest rates and fees. I also look 
forward to receiving information regarding the demographics of credit 
unions' clientele.
    After a comprehensive examination of their structure and benefits, 
I believe the Committee will find credit unions' tax-exemption is 
justified because they continue to fulfill the important public policy 
goal of providing working Americans with an affordable alternative to 
their for-profit counterparts.

                                 

                                        A.M. Community Credit Union
                                           Kenosha, Wisconsin 53144
                                                   November 1, 2005
    Congressman Thomas, My name is Don Gillespie and I am fortunate to 
serve as the President/CEO of A M Community Credit Union (see endnote 
1). While I must admit to being somewhat concerned that your committee 
is undertaking the review mentioned above, I also must admit that a 
periodic review of tax exempt organizations is an application of sound 
government practice. Further, I am confident that you, and your 
committee, will better appreciate the value of the credit union system 
and its tax exempt status through the hearing process. I hope to 
contribute to the committee's review by providing some personal views 
of the issue in a concise bulleted format.
    The background information provided by the committee indicates that 
the tax status of credit unions was reaffirmed by the Congress in 1998 
when the correctly prioritized their reasons;

      Credit unions remain member owned cooperatives, that 
individual ownership stake illustrates more than a symbolic structure, 
it ensures that credit unions remain more responsive to their member 
needs.
      Credit unions are indeed democratically controlled, one 
member--one vote, is a principle we embrace that enfranchises even the 
lowest economic sector of an individual credit union.
      Credit unions remain not-for profit entities retaining 
earnings sufficient to fulfill fiduciary safety and soundness standards 
and returning all other earning to their members through extended 
services or improved pricing on loan, deposit, or transaction accounts.
      Credit unions boards are populated exclusively with 
volunteer directors (with exception to the credit union CEO who may 
serve as a director). Those volunteers establish the mission and vision 
of their unique entities, they hire and guide executive management, and 
they represent the members that elected them to office with sincerity 
and diligence.
      Credit union missions were sighted by the congress in 
reaffirming the tax exempt status of such organizations, I offer as 
support for the contention that the mission sighted by the congress is 
substantially similar to the mission of our credit union (see end note 
2).

    Further, the specific mention of ``consumers'' denoted by the 
descriptive ``modest means'', as highlighted in the 1998 record, might 
give committee members cause to review in more depth the financial 
performance of America's credit unions. To that end I offer the 
following (see endnote3). CUNA through a review of FFIEC-HMDA data 
illustrates that between 1998 and 2003 credit unions approved 68.5% of 
mortgage applications submitted by low income borrowers, while all 
other lenders approved a mere 45.3% of low income applications--low 
income mortgage seekers are = again more likely to be approved at a 
credit union than a non-credit union.
    Our detractors will attempt to make much of the congressional 
reference to consumer service and the development of some business 
services in some credit unions. Listen closely to the information 
provided; you will learn that relatively few credit unions offer 
business services and that business lending represents a small 
proportion of the credit union balance sheet. NCUA and FDIC data were 
used by CUNA to show that credit union share of business lending 
remains below 1% of the market (see endnote 4).
    Admittedly credit union business lending activity has increased, 
yet it represents less than 1.00% share of the business loan market, I 
suggest that business lending activity is being driven more by a 
demographic change in the American consumer than the business evolution 
of credit unions. I believe that it is well accepted that through 
economic and demographic changes in the nation and the world more and 
more consumers are self employed.
    The U.S. Bureau of Labor and Statistics 
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf reports that the 
number of self employed Americans increased 72,000 during the month 
of September 2005 alone, that growth translates into an annualized 
rate of 8.40%. Of course as the downsized or outsourced middle 
manager begins her/his entrepreneurial journey they seek the 
financial institution closest to them, their credit union.
    Chairman Thomas, the tax exempt status of credit unions has been 
and remains in the best interest of American consumers (see endnote 5).

      Any new tax on credit unions is simply a new tax on 87 
million credit union members.
      Those outside interests that are calling for credit union 
taxation have the demise of credit unions not the best interest of 
Americans at heart.

    The congress in 1998 sighted first and primary the reasons for 
credit union tax exempt status as the member owned nature, 
democratically controlled structure and volunteer board led reality of 
the credit union system. Those realities exist today in each credit 
union in our nation. Regardless of the field of membership or number of 
members, the asset size or business activity: a Credit Union is A 
Credit Union--we are owned by, governed by and strive to serve our 
members. With each member having the same voice, and earning the same 
high degree of respect--no matter their individual circumstance.
    Please diligently review the status, purpose and operation of 
credit unions. Consider the source of the testimony before the 
committee. Weight the antagonists and protagonists testimony and you 
must conclude that the institution of credit unions in America is 
indeed fulfilling the congressional mandate and is certainly deserving 
of their tax exempt status.
            Sincerely
                                                Donald J. Gillespie
Endnotes
    1. A M Community Credit Union, 6715 Green Bay Road, Kenosha, WI 
53142, 262-697-3700.
    2. Mission Statement:
    To be a member driven cooperative providing a line of financial and 
financially related products to satisfy the needs of the people who 
live or work in Kenosha and Racine Counties:

      Maintaining the Highest Quality of Member Services
      Offering Competitive Consumer Financial Products
      Encouraging Full Member Participation in our Cooperative

    5. Tax Credit Unions? It Doesn't Add Up
    Estimated annual increase in federal income tax revenue arising 
from credit union taxation (a direct tax on 87 million credit union 
member-owners): +$1.5 billion
    Estimated annual decline in credit union member benefits arising 
from change in tax status and subsequent operational changes*: -$6.3 
billion
    Estimated annual decline in bank customer benefits arising from 
greatly reduced influence of credit union competition**: -$4.3 billion
    Net annual economic impact of credit union taxation: -$9.1 billion
  [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]
    

    * Hampel, Bill and Schenk, Mike, CUNA Research & Policy Analysis. 
``The Benefits of Credit Union Membership''. 
http://www.cuna.org/member/download/whpaper_mmbrshp.pdf
    ** Feinberg, Robert, M. American University. ``An Analysis of the 
Benefits of Credit Unions to Bank Loan Customers''. September 2004. 
http://www.cuna.org/member/download/ba_benefits.pdf. Tokle, Robert J., 
Idaho State University. An Estimate of the Influence of Credit Unions 
on Bank CD and Money Market Deposits in the U.S.'' 
http://www.cuna.org/member/download/ba_influence.pdf

                                 

                                             West Haven, Utah 84401
                                                   October 28, 2005
    Thank you for this great privilege to submit a written statement 
concerning the credit union tax exemption. As a citizen of this great 
country, it is truly an honor to submit this statement. What a great 
country! Where else in this entire world would I be able to have this 
opportunity?
    I am the father of 11 children. My wife, Shelley, and I are 
expecting our 12th child around Valentine's Day next year. Our oldest 
child is 22 years old. She and her husband recently made us the proud 
grandparents of our first grandchild, a girl.
    I joined a credit union when I first graduated from college in 
April 1981. My first job out of college paid an annual salary of 
$16,200. I thought I was rich! My credit union provided me with savings 
plans that helped me save enough money ($5,000) for a down payment on a 
new starter home (total price $50,000), which we finished building the 
week before we were married in February 1982.
    Our credit union has continued to provide us with savings plans 
that meet our modest needs. Our financial goals for our children have 
been to help them save and prepare for college, church missions, and 
marriage. Our credit union offers a unique savings plan which allows us 
to automatically transfer a minimum of $10 per child per month from our 
paycheck into each child's savings account. This ``dedicated savings'' 
account has no minimum balance requirements but pays certificate of 
deposit rates! Our oldest daughter will be graduating from college this 
year. Her ``dedicated savings'' account helped finance her education 
and also provided money for her wedding. Our oldest son recently 
returned from a church mission to California. His younger brother is 
currently serving a church mission in Brazil. While both boys were 
serving missions at the same time, we were paying $800 a month to cover 
their mission costs. Their ``dedicated savings'' accounts allowed us to 
financially support them while they were serving their missions. These 
accounts also helped finance the missionary in Brazil while he attended 
college before his mission. The missionary that served in California 
will be starting college in January and he will benefit greatly from 
his ``dedicated savings'' account. He has also accumulated enough money 
in his account in case wedding bells ring in the near future.
    We are people of modest means. We are a one-income family, living 
on an average salary. People often ask me in amazement how we can 
afford to have such a large family. I always tell them that (1) we are 
blessed because we contribute to our church and (2) our credit union 
provides us the savings tools that we can't find anywhere else.
    I don't know where I would be financially without my credit union. 
We have since used our credit union for a mortgage loan to build a 
modest home with 5 bedrooms. We later turned to our credit union for a 
refinance and a lower interest rate on that mortgage loan. With the 
help of our credit union, we hope to be completely debt-free many years 
before we retire. My credit union means everything to me. They have 
helped me raise 11 (soon to be 12) children to be outstanding, 
respectful, law-abiding, contributing citizens of this country. I feel 
that the United States has received something in exchange for the 
benefit of my credit union's tax exemption. That tax exemption has 
directly benefited me, my wife, and our children as credit union 
members.
            Sincerely,
                                                       Lane Gittins

                                 

                                           Utah Bankers Association
                                         Salt Lake City, Utah 84111
                                                   November 2, 2005
The Honorable Bill Thomas
Chairman
Committee on Ways and Means
U.S. House of Representatives

Dear Chairman Thomas,

    On behalf of the Utah Bankers Association we commend you for your 
courage to address the evolving public policy benefits of the tax 
exemption granted to some cooperatively owned financial institutions, 
those designated as credit unions.
    The Utah State Legislature has been on the forefront of this policy 
debate due primarily to the actions of our state regulator to 
effectively eliminate the common bond membership limitations on state 
chartered credit unions over twenty years ago. This resulted in wide-
spread tax subsidized competition to the point that the Commissioner's 
actions were challenged and overturned in state court. This led to 
several legislative debates and even a special task force which 
concluded its study late last year.
    As a result, the Utah State Legislature adopted a resolution 
endorsing a recently adopted statute that established certain large 
credit unions as ``nonexempt'' and urging Congress to consider the same 
approach. The resolution also identified several other inequities 
resulting from the federal tax treatment of federally chartered credit 
unions including an impingement of state's rights to collect the same 
state and local taxes from federal credit unions that are assessed to 
state chartered credit unions.
    Attached is a research paper we submitted to our state level 
legislative task force. The research clearly shows that there were two 
primary reasons for the tax exemption: 1. to facilitate the extension 
of credit to the poor; and 2. to give credit unions the same tax 
treatment as other cooperatives at that time. I believe you will find, 
as did the Utah State Legislature that at least as it relates to the 
larger more complex and diversified credit unions, neither of these two 
justifications applies in today's marketplace. First, even as recently 
as two years ago, the GAO determined that banks were at least as 
effective if not more so than credit unions at meeting the needs of the 
poor. Secondly, other cooperative businesses are now taxed.
    I am also attaching a copy of House Joint Resolution 1 adopted 
earlier this year by the Utah State House of Representatives and the 
Utah State Senate. Please feel free to contact me with questions.
            Sincerely,
                                                  Howard M. Headlee
                                                          President

                                 

              Statement of Thomas Heller, Orlando, Florida
    I am writing to ask you to oppose any efforts to eliminate the 
federal tax exemption for credit unions. A new tax on credit unions is 
an additional tax on 87 million working Americans.
    I have been involved with credit unions since 1989. I had been out 
of work for three months and had accumulated credit card debt. Once I 
was working again, I needed a consolidation loan to pay off my credit 
card. Only my credit union was willing to give me the loan and not 
charge a high interest rate.
    Studies have shown that consumers save $6.3 billion a year by using 
a credit union instead of a bank. I save hundreds of dollars a year 
myself just in ATM fees that I do not have to pay. I also use the 
internet for most of my online ``banking''.
    When I first moved to Florida, I opened a bank account with 
SunTrust. They charged me nearly seven dollars a month, just to bank 
online!
    My credit union charges me nothing for online access to my money 
and they do not charge me three dollars every time I want to withdraw 
my money.
    Banks are in the business of making money for stock holders. Credit 
unions are formed by people from similar backgrounds or employers so 
that they have a better way of saving money and getting loans at low 
rates when nobody else will loan them money.

                                 

                                             Kent, Washington 98032
                                                   November 1, 2005
Dear Committee,

    As a credit union professional in the business since 1979, I see 
firsthand why the House Committee on Ways and Means Chairman Bill 
Thomas wants to review the credit union industry tax-exemption. Several 
times over the years I called on my peers to operate in a fiscally 
responsible manner that respects our tax-exemption.
    Allow me to give a few examples of how our industry dishonors the 
tax-exemption:

      ``Volunteers'' receiving $5,000 annual conference/ 
education allowance to go to Hawaii, Caribbean cruises, Germany, etc.
      CEOs enjoying membership to exclusive country clubs and 
driving $70,000 luxury cars paid for by the credit union.
      Industry average fee of $22 for non-sufficient funds 
(NSF) when the cost associated to an NSF is estimated at $2. Strange 
way for not-for-profits to operate on behalf of member-owners.
      Industry charging loan interest rates in excess of the 
congressionally mandated 15% APR when the Fed Funds rate at 1%. NCUA, 
giving in to industry lobbyists, allowed a waiver so that credit unions 
could charge up to 18% APR even though interest rates were at 45-year 
lows.
      Credit unions building extravagant offices/ branches that 
the tax-paying banking sector cannot justify.

    Credit unions serve a vital role in the country's financial 
services industry and should be allowed to remain tax-exempt. At the 
same time, congress should make credit unions more accountable for 
operating in a manner warranting a federal tax exemption. Again, allow 
me to provide a few quick examples.

      Similar to the interest rate cap, congress should mandate 
maximum fees charged for basic financial services such as NSF, Courtesy 
Pay, Returned Check services. I propose a maximum NSF/Courtesy Pay fee 
of three times the federal minimum wage.
      Place a maximum on the capital levels for credit unions. 
Credit unions with 14%, 16%, 23% are not returning the earnings back to 
the member-owners. From the 1930's to the 1980's credit unions 
successfully operated with less than 8% capital. Today, the industry 
average is 40% higher and at the same time fees charged to members 
increased more than 500%.
      Require credit unions to make available a minimum package 
of basic financial services without a service fee and tightly regulate 
user fees.

    Credit unions are currently asking the House Financial Services 
Committee to approve H.R. 2317, the Credit Union Regulatory Improvement 
Act. I encourage Congress to consider some pro-member amendments to 
H.R. 2317 that will refocus our industry on our member-owners and keep 
us deserving of the tax-exemption.
    I welcome the opportunity to discuss in further detail any or all 
aspects of this submittal.
            Respectfully,
                                                      Dale Kerslake
                                                      President/CEO

                                 

                                  Credit Union National Association
                                               Washington, DC 20004
                                                  November 17, 2005
The Honorable William M. Thomas
Chairman, Committee on Ways and Means
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Thomas:

    On behalf of the Credit Union National Association, our affiliated 
state associations and leagues, and America's 87 million credit union 
members, I appreciate the opportunity to submit this letter as a means 
of clarifying several issues raised in your Committee's November 3, 
2005 hearing to review the federal tax-exempt status of credit unions. 
Please incorporate this letter into the hearing record.
    In this letter, I will also address several incorrect and 
misleading statements about credit unions and our mission made by 
witnesses from the commercial banking industry. We appreciate your 
review of this letter and please do not hesitate to contact me or my 
staff if you have further questions or need clarification on any of the 
issues raised during the hearing.
I. TRANSPARENCY
Assertion: Credit unions are not providing adequate financial 
        information to their members.
    CUNA response: Credit unions are required by law to conduct an 
annual audit, and credit unions with $500 million or more in assets 
must have an audit conducted by an independent, state-licensed auditing 
firm using generally accepted auditing standards, similar to the 
requirement applicable to banks (12 USC  1782(a)(6)). A federal credit 
union is required to publicly post its financial statements monthly at 
its office, and the financial report on the condition of the credit 
union is presented at the annual membership meeting. This is more 
disclosure than required by closely held community banks.
    Similar to banks, credit unions are required to file a call report 
(Form 5300) quarterly with their regulators, which provides detailed 
information about the financial condition and activities of the credit 
union and includes aggregate information about employee compensation 
and benefits. The call reports for all federally insured credit unions 
are publicly available on the National Credit Union Administration's 
website.
Assertion: The fact that all credit unions do not file Form 990 with 
        the Internal Revenue Service raises concerns.
    CUNA response: As highly regulated depository institutions, credit 
unions are quite different from other non-profit, tax-exempt 
organizations in the United States. As discussed above, credit unions 
are subject to detailed financial reporting and oversight by examiners 
trained to make sure that credit unions are accurately reporting their 
financial condition and use of their funds. We question why any credit 
union should be subject to IRS Form 990 reporting.
    In fact, at the November 3 hearing, we understood the IRS witness 
to question whether the Form 990 provides information addressing the 
questions raised by members of the committee. At one time, the IRS 
relied upon a group 990 form from NCUA on behalf of federal credit 
unions, and decided years ago that that form was unnecessary. And, as 
authorized by the Service, 22 states today provide a group 990 on 
behalf of state chartered credit unions in their state.
    The 990 form does contain one line (line 78a) referencing the 990-T 
filing responsibility. As explained in our testimony on page 8, credit 
unions have been trying for a number of years to obtain guidance from 
the IRS on the possible application of the Unrelated Business Income 
Tax (UBIT) provisions to state chartered credit unions. UBIT is a 
complicated area, and as depository institutions, credit unions have 
some unique issues that need to be addressed. CUNA thinks it is 
unreasonable to expect any credit union to be filing Form 990-T forms 
until adequate, public guidance is issued.
Assertion: Because of possible concerns raised about some charitable 
        organizations misappropriating funds to pay exorbitant 
        salaries, credit unions should make public the compensation 
        they pay their senior officials.
    CUNA response: We think there is an understandable sensitivity of 
many credit union CEOs about having their salary publicly disclosed. 
More importantly, we do not consider there to be a parallel between 
charitable organizations which publicly solicit funds for a stated goal 
of carrying out charitable activities and credit unions which receive 
funds from their members for the stated goal of providing them a good 
return on their deposits and a good rate on their loans.
    Volunteer, unpaid credit union boards of directors set the salary 
and benefits of their CEOs. They do so in a competitive environment, 
and draw upon surveys, such as those done by CUNA, to determine 
appropriate compensation packages.
    Assertion: Credit unions are not subject to sufficient internal 
control requirements.
    CUNA response: There is no basis for any statement that credit 
unions lack adequate internal controls, and an effective system of 
internal controls is a very high priority for each credit union, credit 
union regulators, the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund, and 
private companies that provide credit unions with fidelity bond and 
other insurance coverage.
    A review of the NCUA Examiner Guide shows that continual review and 
monitoring of internal controls at credit unions is expected by the 
credit union itself and by its examiner. Obviously, the specific 
internal control system in place will vary based on the size of the 
credit union, but the long history of the success of the credit union 
movement and the soundness of the National Credit Union Share Insurance 
Fund demonstrate that internal controls are not a problem in the credit 
union movement.
II. SERVING PEOPLE OF MODEST MEANS
Assertion: Credit unions underperform banks in lending to low and 
        moderate-income and minority borrowers, and banks deny fewer 
        loan applications from underserved populations than credit 
        unions do.
    CUNA response: The reality is that credit unions for the past two 
years have granted a greater proportion of their loans to low- and 
moderate-income (LMI) borrowers than other lenders have, in reviewing 
Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data. In 2004, credit unions made a 
greater proportion of combined loans to LMI borrowers (27.6%) than did 
all other lenders (26.6%). The credit union advantage was even greater, 
29% to 25.9%, in purchase loans, an even more important type of lending 
to help people, including first timers, to buy homes.
    We recognize the percent differentials are not dramatic, but there 
is a good reason why we expect to see greater increases in the near 
future. Until quite recently, credit unions labored under rules that 
primarily limited membership to occupational groups large enough to 
support a credit union's operations. In the 1980s, credit unions were 
permitted to add smaller employee groups, but significant growth of 
community based credit unions and permission to expand into underserved 
areas are a much more recent events. Thus, until very recently, unless 
one worked for a relatively large employer, one was unlikely to be 
eligible to join a credit union. Under these rules, credit unions 
developed into powerful sources of financial services for working 
Americans. It's no wonder that credit union membership became 
concentrated in middle and upper middle-income groups.
    With the passage of the Credit Union Membership Access Act of 1998 
(PL 105-219), adding additional select employee groups, taking on a 
community charter, or adding underserved areas to the field of 
membership became more feasible. However, this could not have been 
expected to lead to an immediate change in the income distribution of 
credit union members. It takes time for credit unions to reach out to 
new markets. It also takes time for potential members to learn of and 
take advantage of what credit unions have to offer.
    Bankers and some community groups are misinterpreting the HMDA data 
if they conclude that banks deny fewer loan applications from 
underserved populations than credit unions do. Since credit unions 
actually deny far fewer mortgage loan applications across the board 
than other lenders, from both lower income and other applicants, the 
denial disparity ratio is a misleading measure of performance of 
lending to LMI borrowers. In 2004, 74.1% of applications from LMI 
applicants were approved by credit unions compared to only 51.1% at 
other lenders. CUNA will provide the committee with a detailed analysis 
of HMDA data upon request.
    We note with interest that on October 31, 2005--in the same week 
that the banking industry testified to the committee about credit 
unions' ``inadequacies'' in serving low-income people--the banking 
industry sued NCUA to stop federal community credit unions from adding 
underserved areas to their charters. As we stated at that time, this 
shows that the banking industry's only real agenda is to squelch 
competition from more consumer-friendly institutions.
    Assertion: Credit unions should not engage in business lending 
because it detracts from lending they can do to lower-income consumers.
    CUNA response: On the contrary, the type of business lending by 
credit unions is very likely to create jobs for people of modest means. 
A credit union business loan averages about $150,000. As the U.S. 
Treasury Department 2001 study on business lending by credit unions 
reported, credit union member business loans are disproportionately 
made to businesses owned by households with modest incomes. Treasury 
reported that 25.3% of member business loans were made to members with 
household incomes of less than $30,000 and another 20% were to 
household incomes between $30,000 and $50,000.
    A credit union business loan can very well be that key ``helping 
hand'' for a person of modest means to reach the American dream.
    Assertion: Credit unions do not want any measurement standards 
imposed to evaluate their service to people of modest means.
    CUNA response: When a federal credit union applies for a community 
charter, or adds a low-income area to its field of membership, it must 
submit a business plan showing how it plans to serve all segments of 
the community. The credit union's subsequent implementation of this 
plan is subject to review by NCUA examiners. Credit unions welcome this 
kind of oversight.
    Credit unions' objections to past proposals for data collection on 
service to low- and moderate-income people hve been based on flaws in 
those specific proposals, not from any categorical rejection of some 
form of tailored, appropriate, and not unduly burdensome form of 
measurement. Application of bank-type Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) 
standards on credit unions is inappropriate for several reasons:

      Credit unions do not have the history of ``redlining'' 
that the banking industry does, and CRA's approach was designed largely 
to deal with that history.
      CRA was intended in part to address the tendency of large 
banks to receive deposits from one community and lend them elsewhere, 
even in other countries, whereas credit unions are overwhelmingly local 
in nature, with few opportunities to engage in this abuse.
      CRA's measurements take into account only lending 
activities and investments, completely ignoring the provision of low-
cost depository service to promote thrift among the underserved, which 
has always been a fundamental purpose of credit unions.
      CRA was designed for financial institutions that can 
serve any customer who comes in the door, whereas the vast majority of 
credit unions remain occupationally based, and thus have less 
opportunity to serve low-income people.

    The Community Action Plan (CAP) eventually by NCUA several years 
ago included many of the same flaws as CRA, and was rejected by the 
NCUA Board. The comments made by various members of the Ways and Means 
Committee during the hearing earlier this month will certainly 
encourage further discussion on this subject within the credit union 
movement about a system of measurement that takes into account the 
unique structure, history, mission, and regulatory restrictions on 
credit unions.
III. COMPETITION
Assertion: Credit unions are like mutual savings banks, which pay 
        federal income taxes, so credit unions should be taxed too.
    CUNA response: Untaxed credit unions are not like taxed mutual 
banks. If they were alike, the simple solution for the mutual bank 
would be to convert to a credit union to eliminate taxation. So 
Congress should ask the mutual bank why it does not just convert to a 
credit union if both institutions are similar, rather than ask a credit 
union to try to explain why it's not like a mutual bank.
    The honest answer is that credit unions and mutual banks differ, 
and differ significantly. The differences are not in the powers and 
services offered to consumers, because consumers everywhere expect a 
modern array of financial services. As our testimony explains in 
detail, the differences are fundamentally in structure. A mutual bank 
would have to limit its market, curtail its investments, stop 
permitting weighted voting, stop paying its directors, stop having 
proxy voting, and so forth. Credit unions are driven by service to 
their members. While mutual banks do not have the divided loyalties 
that banks with stockholders demonstrate, mutually organized banks 
clearly do not have the same mission as credit unions do.
    Assertion: Many credit unions have broadened their fields of 
membership in recent years and grown quite large, and therefore should 
be taxed.
    CUNA response: Larger or more complex credit unions have not 
strayed from their mission of providing financial services on a 
cooperative basis. Navy Federal Credit Union, the largest credit union 
in the United States, and GECU, a community credit union serving El 
Paso, Texas, testified about the diversity of programs they offer to 
meet the financial needs of members at all levels of the income 
spectrum. At they pointed out, for a financial cooperative for operate 
safely and soundly, it must have members who can save in order to have 
members who can borrow. In fact, economies of scale make it more likely 
for a larger credit union to offer more affordable and consumer-
friendly services to members of modest means.
    As CUNA's testimony discusses at length, the credit union tax-
exemption was not granted because of small size, limited fields of 
membership, or limited services to the membership. Credit unions grow 
large because of the nature of their field of membership and their 
success in serving the people eligible for membership. A large credit 
union as measured by its aggregate assets does not mean that it is 
serving richer people, but more people. The largest credit unions in 
the country today have grown based on service to millions of workers 
from the military services, the airlines industry, federal, state and 
local governments and utility companies, among other consumers.
Assertion: Mutual thrift institutions and mutual insurance companies 
        are taxed and have thrived, and there is no reason to believe 
        that credit unions, if taxed, would not fare as well.
    CUNA response: Taxing credit unions would erode credit unions' 
ability to build and maintain their net worth through retained 
earnings. Over time and under certain economic conditions, this erosion 
could present safety and soundness problems. Moreover, taxation would 
lead many credit unions to seriously consider whether they should 
convert, via a mutual bank conversion, to a stock bank. The reality is 
that many mutual thrift institutions have converted to stock banks over 
time. In fact, credit unions are getting sales pitches about the merits 
of conversion to mutual banks from law firms who have built a book of 
business on conversions and have found their potential client base 
notably shrinking.
    The erosion of credit unions' ability to maintain solid net worth 
should be of particular concern to the Congress because of the unique 
federal share insurance program Congress created in 1984. Mutual 
insurance companies are not covered by a federal insurance program, and 
deposits in mutual thrift institutions are insured by the FDIC. Both 
the FDIC and the National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund are backed 
by the full faith and credit of the United States government.
    Unlike the FDIC program, however, the NCUSIF by law requires credit 
unions to deposit an amount equal to 1% of their federally insured 
funds with the U.S. Treasury and to replenish the 1% from their 
retained earnings if financial troubles throughout the credit union 
system requires large NCUSIF payouts. As a credit union grows, it is 
required to add more funds to maintain the 1% level. The FDIC insurance 
program has no such continual support structure from the banking 
industry. Taxation of credit unions would require reconsideration of 
whether the unique NCUSIF's funding mechanism, which is beneficial to 
the American taxpayer, should continue.
    Unlike mutual thrifts and mutual insurance companies, credit unions 
are run by volunteer boards, a fundamental characteristic of credit 
unions. This volunteerism helps ensure that management decisions are 
made for the benefit of members, not for the benefit of the decision-
makers' own pockets. Taxation would undoubtedly also erode volunteerism 
since paying board and committee members would become a deductible 
expense.
    Again, thank you for the opportunity to submit additional 
information for the November 3, 2005 hearing record. I will be happy to 
respond to any further questions you may have.
            Sincerely,
                                                     Daniel A. Mica
                                                    President & CEO

                                 

      Statement of Minnesota Bankers Association, Edina, Minnesota
Introduction
    Chairman Thomas, Ranking Member Rangel and members of the 
Committee, all of us at the Minnesota Bankers Association (MBA) 
appreciate that the Ways and Means Committee is holding a hearing on 
whether credit unions should continue to enjoy their current tax 
advantages. We are pleased to have the opportunity to provide our 
comments on this very important subject.
    The MBA represents more than 460 Minnesota banks, ranging in size 
from small community banks with $10 million in assets up to large 
regional banks. Of our 460 member banks, the median size is roughly $58 
million in assets. Given the fact that we have such a strong community 
banking tradition, the credit union issue is especially important to 
bankers in Minnesota.
    The Minnesota banks do an excellent job of serving their consumer, 
business and agricultural customers. Our bankers are extremely active 
in their communities. They give their time and resources to help make 
their communities stronger. And of course our banks and bankers pay 
their fair share of local, state and federal taxes to support our 
government programs.
    We believe that it is absolutely crucial that Congress consider 
whether today's credit unions should continue to enjoy their tax 
advantages. Our bankers support reviewing whether there is still a 
solid public policy justification for the credit union industry's tax 
exempt status, given the significant changes that have occurred in that 
industry. It is important to question whether the credit union tax 
exemption really benefits the American public and whether it is 
consistent with our overall tax policy.
    This issue is challenging because there are some credit unions that 
remain true to the original credit union concept. These true credit 
unions serve a fairly tight-knit group and work to meet the needs of 
low- and moderate-income persons. On the other hand, many high-
visibility credit unions have dramatically changed. These ``morphed'' 
credit unions bear little resemblance to the original credit union 
concept. We would argue that these morphed credit unions should 
therefore lose their tax advantages.
    The MBA is affiliated with both the American Bankers Association 
and America's Community Bankers. Both these national groups have 
submitted testimony on this issue. We support that testimony, and we 
will not repeat all the arguments included in their statements. Our 
statement will primarily address two major points, focusing on the 
Minnesota marketplace.
    I. Many complex credit unions operate in a manner that is not 
consistent with the original credit union concept, meaning they should 
lose their tax exemption
    II. Organizationally, mutual savings banks are very similar to 
credit unions, but mutual savings banks pay taxes
I. Many Complex Credit Unions Operate in a Manner That Is Not 
        Consistent With the Original Credit Union Concept, Meaning They 
        Should Lose Their Tax Exemption
Morphed Credit Unions No Longer Focus on People of Small Means
    Traditionally, credit unions have served people of small means. 
Credit unions were formed so that all working-class people would have 
access to credit. That focus on low- and moderate-income persons has 
long been held out as the public policy reason that justifies the 
credit union industry's tax advantages.
    However, some credit unions have lost their focus. Studies show 
that banks do a better job of serving low- and moderate-income persons 
than credit unions do. The Credit Union National Association conducted 
a national member survey in 2002. The survey showed that the average 
credit union member has higher income, is better educated and is more 
likely to be in a professional occupation than an average non-member. 
Specifically, that study showed that the average household income of 
credit union members is 20 percent higher than that of non-members, 
$55,120 versus $45,790.\1\
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    \1\ CUNA Membership Survey, 2002.
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    The Government Accounting Office (GAO) also reached the same 
conclusion in a recent study. The GAO stated that credit unions have 
had a historical emphasis on serving people of modest means. However, 
after reviewing currently available data, the GAO found that banks more 
effectively serve low- and moderate-income persons than credit unions 
do. The GAO report stated that 36 percent of households that only or 
primarily used credit unions had low or moderate incomes, while 42 
percent of households that only or primarily used banks had low or 
moderate incomes.\2\ Similarly, credit unions made a higher percentage 
of HMDA-reportable loans to middle- and high-income borrowers and a 
lower percentage of these loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers 
than banks did.\3\
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    \2\ Credit Unions: Financial Condition Has Improved, but 
Opportunities Exist to Enhance Oversight and Share Insurance 
Management. General Accounting Office, October, 2003 (GAO-04-91), p. 20
    \3\ GAO-04-91, p. 23.
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    Consistent with those national statistics, we see specific examples 
where Minnesota credit unions specifically target wealthy people.

      Think Federal Credit Union is headquartered in Rochester, 
MN. That credit union's 2003 Annual Report states, ``Yesterday our 
challenge was to provide financial services to members who could not 
get services elsewhere. Today our challenge is to provide financial 
services to members who can get services anywhere.'' This $1.1 billion 
credit union has clearly lost its focus. Should it continue to receive 
tax advantages so that it can compete directly against tax paying 
financial services providers for the same customers?
      Topline Federal Credit Union is headquartered in Maple 
Grove, MN, a fast-growing suburb of Minneapolis. This credit union 
actively markets its ``Big Toy Loans'' so that its wealthy members can 
buy expensive luxury items like motor homes, powerboats and sailboats. 
www.toplinecu.com/services/loans.htm.
      South Metro Federal Credit Union, headquartered in Prior 
Lake, MN, also actively markets to the wealthy, touting its wealth 
management and trust services to current and prospective members at 
www.southmet.com/invest.htm. This credit union is also unveiling its 
new Travel Club, featuring Alaska and Rhine River Cruises.

    These are great marketing plans, but they show how far some credit 
unions have gone from the original credit union mission. We argue that 
continuing to give tax-advantaged financial services to wealthy people 
is bad public policy. We do not give food stamps or subsidized housing 
to wealthy people. Why should wealthy people receive tax-advantaged 
financial services?
    While we see lots of credit union marketing and outreach to the 
wealthy, we do not see a lot of marketing of basic financial services 
to low- and moderate-income persons. It would be interesting to study 
the credit union industry's branching patterns to see how many of the 
aggressive growth, morphed credit unions establish branches in low-
income areas.
Morphed Credit Unions Convert From Common Bond To Huge Community 
        Charters
    Another of the original defining characteristics of traditional 
credit unions was that credit unions served people with a tight common 
bond. When all the members of the credit union worked at the same plant 
or attended the same church, the common bond ensured accountability. 
Increasingly, the most aggressive credit unions have changed from a 
common bond to a large community charter. Nationally, the number of 
community-chartered credit unions more than doubled from 464 in 1999 to 
1,051 as of year-end 2004. This trend is significant because community 
based, mega-credit unions bear little resemblance to the original 
credit union concept.
    Federal law requires that any credit union that adopts a community 
charter must serve a ``well-defined, local community.'' Even with the 
legal requirement that community credit unions must serve a ``local'' 
community, the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) continues to 
approve community charters that are larger and larger. A recent 
Government Accounting Office report indicated that the average size of 
a community credit union charter approved by the NCUA increased from a 
population of 134,000 in 1999 to 357,000 in 2003.\4\
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    \4\ GAO-04-91, p. 35.
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    Many of Minnesota's most aggressive credit unions have changed from 
a common bond to a large community charter.

      The newly renamed SouthPoint Federal Credit Union in 
Sleepy Eye, MN was originally chartered to serve the parishioners of 
St. Mary's Catholic Church. It is now a fast-growing community credit 
union whose membership is open to people who live, work, worship or 
attend school in Brown, Redwood, or Renville Counties. See 
www.cuathome.coop/ASP/home.asp
      Central Minnesota Federal Credit Union, headquartered in 
Melrose, MN, has a large geographic territory that is nearly 75 miles 
wide and 100 miles long. It covers all or part of eight counties. The 
NCUA allowed this credit union to have a non-contiguous field of 
membership. In addition to its regular territory, this credit union 
added the affluent lakes area north of Willmar, MN. See 
www.centralmnfcu.org/ 
      Mid Minnesota Federal Credit Union is headquartered in 
Brainerd, MN. Its geographic territory is also more than 100 miles long 
and 90 miles wide and includes all of six counties and part of a 
seventh county. The Brainerd lakes area, some of our state's most 
expensive recreational real estate, is included in this credit union's 
territory. See www.mmfcu.org/asp/services/service--1--5.asp
      U.S. Federal Credit Union originally served military 
officers, but it now has one of Minnesota's biggest community charters 
from a population standpoint. Membership is now open to anyone who 
lives, works, volunteers, worships, or attends school in Anoka, Carver, 
Dakota, Hennepin, Ramsey, Scott, and Washington Counties. See 
www.usfed.org/home/?pageLabel=home. The 2000 census showed 2.6 million 
people living in this area. There are over 100 cities and 49 school 
districts in these counties.

    The vast majority of the morphed credit unions are choosing a 
community charter. These credit unions compete directly against banks 
and other financial institutions for the same customers. The members of 
these huge credit unions do not have the strong affinity that the 
members of the traditional credit unions have. These credit unions use 
their tax advantage to gain new members, fueling further growth and 
expansion. The cooperative structure remains, but as a morphed credit 
union grows, its members look less like owners and more like depositors 
of the institution. The Mid Minnesota Federal Credit Union's website is 
a perfect example of how the lines become blurred for these morphed 
credit unions. The website states that ``a simple $5 deposit will make 
you a member/owner'' of the credit union. See 
www.mmfcu.org/asp/services/service--1--5.asp
    When you compare these morphed credit unions to banks, you see that 
they offer nearly identical financial products and services to the same 
potential customers. They have lost the main characteristics of the 
original credit unions, which are the very characteristics that 
justified their tax exemptions. These organizations can best be 
described as tax-exempt banks.
Morphed Credit Unions Are Making Big Business Loans
    Credit unions were originally formed to serve people of small 
means, but many morphed credit unions are dramatically increasing their 
business loan portfolios. While some of these loans are relatively 
small loans to sole proprietors, credit unions also make large, complex 
commercial loans to corporations. The credit union industry's business 
lending has significantly increased over the past couple years. It 
jumped almost 50 percent in 2004. Minnesota credit unions are getting 
into this market, making business loans to their members and to non-
members.
    We can think of no public policy reason to allow credit unions to 
serve corporate customers. There is simply no justification for 
allowing corporations to receive tax-advantaged financial services. 
Many of the morphed credit unions are making a major commitment to 
commercial lending. This fundamental shift in their marketing focus 
shows how far they have strayed from the original credit union concept. 
The credit unions have introduced legislation, the Credit Union 
Regulatory Improvement Act (CURIA), which would allow morphed credit 
unions to stray even further from their original purpose by increasing 
their commercial lending limits. We strongly oppose that expansion.
II. Organizationally, Mutual Savings Banks Are Very Similar To Credit 
        Unions, But Mutual Savings Banks Pay Taxes
    Some credit union advocates have said that their cooperative 
structure justifies their tax advantages. That argument is simply 
wrong. Credit unions and mutual savings banks have a very similar 
cooperative structure, but mutual savings banks pay federal income 
taxes. Subchapter T of the tax code could easily be applied to credit 
unions, just like it is applied to other mutually-owned organizations.
    The tax treatment of mutual savings banks is instructive. Before 
1951 mutually-owned companies, like mutual savings banks and mutual 
insurance companies, were tax exempt. However, Congress repealed the 
tax exemption because the mutual companies had matured and were 
providing a broad range of products that competed directly against tax-
paying entities. In 1959 the House Ways and Means Committee listed some 
considerations it would use when reviewing the tax treatment of an 
industry. Those considerations include equity and fairness and allowing 
free play of the market.
    Applying that criteria and reasoning to the morphed credit unions, 
one would conclude that it is time to tax these credit unions. The 
morphed credit unions have seen incredible growth, due in large part to 
their tax advantages, and they are stable and mature. These credit 
unions compete directly against tax-paying banks and thrifts, so 
fairness and equity would dictate that similar institutions have 
similar tax treatment. If the banks and the morphed credit unions were 
taxed similarly, the free market, not the credit unions' tax treatment, 
would dictate winners and losers.
    Like all our member banks, Minnesota's mutual savings banks compete 
directly against credit unions. Because their organizations are so 
similar to credit unions, the executives who manage our mutual savings 
banks are keenly aware of the significant tax advantages enjoyed by 
their credit union competitors.
    One member of our association, Brainerd Federal Savings & Loan, has 
roughly $60 million in assets. This mutual thrift competes directly 
against four credit unions, including Mid Minnesota Federal Credit 
Union, which has roughly $162 million in assets. Using that credit 
union's publicly available data, the mutual thrift executive roughly 
calculated the amount of federal income taxes the credit union would 
have paid under Subchapter T. For 2004 the credit union would have paid 
approximately $490,000 in federal income taxes. Paying taxes should not 
have been a major problem for this particular credit union, which has 
been very profitable. It has also grown more than 330 percent in the 
last 10 years.
Summary
    Again we want to thank the Committee for reviewing this important 
issue and for giving the MBA an opportunity to provide our thoughts. 
While some credit unions remain true to the original credit union 
mission, other credit unions have morphed into something that is 
significantly different. These credit unions have changed their 
business focus and are operating in a manner that is not consistent 
with the characteristics that justify the credit union tax exemption. 
Therefore, fairness and sound tax policy dictate that Congress should 
repeal their tax exemption.
            Respectfully submitted,
                                                     Joseph J. Witt
                                                      President/CEO

                                 

                               Wisconsin Federation of Cooperatives
                                           Madison, Wisconsin 53703
                                                   November 2, 2005
The Honorable Bill Thomas, Chair
House Committee on Ways and Means
United States House of Representatives
2208 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Chairman Thomas,

    On behalf of the 6.4 million citizens of Minnesota and Wisconsin 
that own a cooperative, I would like to thank you for taking the time 
to review the differences between credit unions and other financial 
institutions.
    I am confident that a thorough examination of credit unions' 
cooperative governance structure, their commitment to their communities 
and their not-for-profit nature will lead the Committee to conclude 
that further taxation of credit unions and their member/owners is not 
merited. Like other cooperatives, credit unions are owned and governed 
by those that use their services, and any change in tax status amounts 
to nothing more than a tax increase on 87 million Americans.
    In conclusion, I would point out that Congress first granted credit 
unions a federal tax exemption in 1937--not because of credit unions' 
limited fields of membership, asset size, or types of services 
offered--but because they are organized and operated for mutual 
purposes without profit, and because they serve those who are not 
served by banks. Those reasons still hold true today.
    Thank you for your consideration of these comments.
            Sincerely,
                                                William L. Oemichen
                                                  President and CEO

                                 

                                     Port Orchard, Washington 98367
                                                   November 5, 2005
Committee on Ways and Means
U.S. House of Representatives

    To begin taxing a cooperative can have a major impact on numerous 
associations in the United States, many of them agricultural in nature. 
Members of the cooperatives pay taxes on their individual gains. There 
are only a handful of credit unions in the top 100 cooperatives.
    The banking industry recognizes this advantage and many of them are 
converting to Limited Liability Corporations or S-corporations that 
have the same legal attributes as a C-corporation, however, the 
corporation does not pay income taxes on earnings, rather, the 
shareholder pays income tax on dividends on their personal income tax 
return.
    If the Ways and Means Committee contemplates removing the credit 
unions' tax exemption, the same should apply to Limited Liability 
Corporations or S-corporations.
            Respectfully submitted,
                                                       Harold Slach

                                 

                                 North Carolina Bankers Association
                                      Raleigh, North Carolina 27619
                                                   November 2, 2005
The Honorable Bill Thomas, Chairman
Committee on Ways & Means
U.S. House of Representatives
1102 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Thomas:

    The North Carolina Bankers Association (NCBA) is pleased to submit 
this comment in connection with the House Ways and Means Committee's 
hearing entitled, ``Review of Credit Union Tax Exemption.'' The NCBA is 
a trade association representing all 147 banks, savings institutions, 
and trust companies headquartered or doing business in North Carolina.
    The competitive pressure exerted by credit unions on the banking 
industry in North Carolina is substantial. While North Carolina banks 
and savings institutions welcome fair competition, the tax advantaged 
status enjoyed by credit unions has increasingly resulted in 
competitive inequalities. The problem can be traced to a new breed of 
credit unions which has emerged. These large, bank-like credit unions 
have abandoned their mandate of serving persons of modest means who 
share a ``common bond.'' Instead, they now compete directly with banks 
for business and consumer customers and use their tax exempt status to 
fuel their rapid expansion. The NCBA is extremely concerned about this 
development and would like to thank the Committee for examining this 
issue.
    Here are a few examples of North Carolina-based credit unions which 
illustrate the competitive inequalities. The State Employees' Credit 
Union (SECU) is a state-chartered credit union with an immense field of 
membership. It has 1.25 million members, assets of over $12.7 billion, 
185 branch locations, and 860 ATMs. It competes directly with almost 
one hundred community banks, but is 44 times larger than the average-
sized community bank. Although the banking industry is larger than the 
credit union industry as a whole, that distinction becomes meaningless 
when evaluating local, head-to-head competition. Banks struggle to 
compete with SECU on deposit and loan interest rates because banks must 
factor into their pricing the costs associated with the payment of 
taxes and compliance with consumer protection and community 
reinvestment regulations that are not applicable to the credit union 
industry.
    Another example of the aggressive, new-breed credit unions is 
Allegacy Federal Credit Union. It was founded in 1967 in Winston-Salem, 
North Carolina, to serve the employees of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco 
Company. Today, Allegacy has $1.09 billion in assets, over 98,000 
members, and its field of membership now includes employees of over 350 
businesses (along with their family members and members of their 
households), 23 associations, and two communities. Allegacy's Web site 
boasts, ``Among [its] current sponsor companies are the two largest 
medical organizations in the southeast, three nationally prominent law 
firms, a number of large, well-respected advertising agencies in both 
New York City and North Carolina, as well as many technology 
businesses.''
    Consider Truliant Federal Credit Union, which is also based in 
Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Chartered in 1952, Truliant now has 
$1.03 billion in assets, over 178,000 members, and a field of 
membership that includes over 800 businesses, 24 counties in North 
Carolina, and communities in South Carolina and Virginia. It is hard to 
imagine how the common bond requirement of the Federal Credit Union Act 
is truly met when membership is open to anyone in nearly a quarter of 
the counties in the state.
    Other credit unions are taking notice of these techniques. 
Charlotte Metro Credit Union, which has $126 million in assets and over 
32,000 members, proclaims on its Web site, ``If you live, work, worship 
or study in Mecklenburg, Iredell, or Union County you are eligible to 
join Charlotte Metro Credit Union.'' The City of Charlotte and the 
surrounding metropolitan region is the most populous in the state. 
Charlotte is also the headquarters for a number of state and national 
banks. The notion that Charlotte Metro Credit Union serves a clearly 
defined and underserved ``community'' is absurd.
    Perhaps one of the most troubling examples is Coastal Federal 
Credit Union based in Raleigh, North Carolina. Coastal was originally 
chartered in 1967 to serve the employees of IBM Corporation. Today, 
Coastal has $1.54 billion in assets, over 148,000 members, and has a 
field of membership that includes employees of over 1,000 companies and 
associations as well as their family members and members of their 
households. Coastal promotes on its Web site the ease with which anyone 
can walk into a branch with $10 and become a member saying, ``The 
Coastal Capital Club is a non-profit association established to promote 
the education and benefits of savings, investments, and retirement 
planning. By joining the Coastal Capital Club for a one-time non-
refundable $10 membership fee, you qualify for Coastal Federal Credit 
Union membership.'' The National Credit Union Administration is turning 
a blind eye to this blatant overreaching to attract members.
    These large, new breed credit unions are also aggressively seeking 
business lending opportunities. A March 30, 2005, article of Credit 
Union Times is illustrative in this regard. The article reports that 
Coastal Federal Credit Union launched a member business lending (MBL) 
division in 2003, saying, ``In less than two years, the credit union 
has closed $120 million in MBLs and sold $63 million in business loan 
participations.'' Increasingly, Coastal has ventured into complex 
commercial real estate transactions above the $1 million mark ``with 
the average loan being about $4.2 million.'' To get around the National 
Credit Union Administration's 12.25 percent of assets MBL cap, Coastal 
has brought in credit unions in North Carolina, Virginia, Oregon, 
Texas, and Florida for participations. Meanwhile, Coastal's business 
credit card services are described as ``robust with several hundred 
cards in rotation with limits ranging between $25,000 and $100,000.''
    These highly vocal, large credit unions are clamoring for increased 
powers, while using the veil of regulatory relief. The Credit Union 
Regulatory Improvements Act of 2005, H.R. 2317, which is currently 
under consideration, would expand credit unions' business lending 
authority from the current cap of 12.25 percent to 20 percent of total 
assets and would exclude all business loans of less than $100,000 from 
the cap, up from the current $50,000 cap. The caps were put into place 
by Congress to help ensure that credit unions focus on serving people 
of modest means instead of making multi-million dollar commercial 
loans. The new breed of credit unions has left that mission behind and 
consequently the rationale for retaining their tax exempt status is no 
longer valid.
    One argument for retaining the Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c) 
tax exemption that has been consistently advanced by the credit union 
industry is that imposing taxation would be devastating to the 
industry. If the credit union industries in Canada and Australia are 
any guide, the American credit union industry's argument is unfounded. 
In Canada, credit unions have been taxed since 1972, while the 
Australian government phased in taxation of that nation's credit unions 
over a three year period during the 1990s. The credit union industries 
in those two countries have now been subject to taxation for years, but 
they continue to thrive.
    Another argument that has been advanced for credit unions retaining 
their tax exemption is that they are cooperative, member-owned and not-
for-profit. As others have noted, many banks and savings institutions 
are also cooperatively owned and reinvest their profits in the 
institution or in the community. These mutual banks and savings 
associations lost their tax exemption in 1952 when Congress determined 
that they were in active competition with commercial banks. At the 
time, mutual banks and savings associations could not operate outside a 
50-mile radius and could not offer checking accounts or commercial 
loans. The credit unions of today already have far broader powers than 
the mutual banks and savings associations had available to them when 
they became subject to corporate taxation.
    The Credit Union National Association's own statistics indicate 
that credit union members have a higher average household income than 
nonmembers and General Accounting Office statistics also support that 
conclusion. A Tax Foundation study placed the tax loss from 
perpetuating the credit union tax exemption at $12.6 billion between 
2004 and 2008. When a single American family pays more tax than the 
entire credit union industry, something is wrong. The new breed of 
credit unions opens its doors to practically anyone and can afford to 
sponsor sporting events and pay for multi-million dollar headquarters, 
but it balks at the idea of paying its fair share. The competitive 
inequalities which have emerged need to be addressed. The banking 
industry in North Carolina welcomes fair competition and thanks the 
Committee for examining this important issue.
    If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
            Sincerely,
                                                       Thad Woodard
                                                    President & CEO

                                  
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