[Senate Hearing 107-562]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 107-562

A REVIEW OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 
                     AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
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                                HEARINGS

                               before the


                              COMMITTEE ON
                          GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                      ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION


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                          JUNE 26 and 27, 2002

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                   COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS

               JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman
CARL LEVIN, Michigan                 FRED THOMPSON, Tennessee
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii              TED STEVENS, Alaska
RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois          SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine
ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey     GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio
MAX CLELAND, Georgia                 THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi
THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware           ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah
JEAN CARNAHAN, Missouri              JIM BUNNING, Kentucky
MARK DAYTON, Minnesota               PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois
           Joyce A. Rechtschaffen, Staff Director and Counsel
                        Susan E. Popper, Counsel
            Michael L. Alexander, Professional Staff Member
              Richard A. Hertling, Minority Staff Director
               William M. Outhier, Minority Chief Counsel
          Jayson P. Roehl, Minority Professional Staff Member
                     Darla D. Cassell, Chief Clerk







                            C O N T E N T S

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Opening statement:
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    Senator Lieberman............................................ 1, 61
    Senator Thompson............................................. 3, 63
    Senator Akaka................................................ 5, 65
    Senator Collins.............................................. 6, 81
    Senator Cleland.............................................. 7, 97
    Senator Voinovich............................................ 7, 85
    Senator Dayton...............................................
    Senator Durbin...............................................    41
    Senator Carper...............................................    46
    Senator Carnahan.............................................    65

                               WITNESSES
                        Wednesday, June 26, 2002

Hon. Ashton B. Carter, Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project, 
  John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University and 
  Assistant Secretary of Defense (1993-1996), International 
  Security Policy................................................     9
Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director 
  (1996-1999), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), U.S. Department 
  of Defense.....................................................    13
Jeffrey H. Smith, former General Counsel (1995-1996), Central 
  Intelligence Agency (CIA)......................................    16
Lt. Gen. William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director 
  (1985-1988), National Security Agency (NSA)....................    19
William B. Berger, Chief of Police, North Miami Beach, Florida 
  and President, International Association of Chiefs of Police...    23

                        Thursday, June 27, 2002

Hon. George J. Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, Central 
  Intelligence Agency (CIA)......................................    67
Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of 
  Investigation (FBI)............................................    70
Hon. William H. Webster, former Director of Central Intelligence 
  (1987-1991) and former Director (1978-1987), Federal Bureau of 
  Investigation..................................................    93
Hon. Bob Graham, a U.S. Senator from the State of Florida and 
  Chairman, Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. Senate........   106
Hon. Richard C. Shelby, a U.S. Senator from the State of Alabama 
  and Vice Chairman, Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. 
  Senate.........................................................   109

                     Alphabetical List of Witnesses

Berger, Chief William B.:
    Testimony....................................................    23
    Prepared statement...........................................   166
Carter, Hon. Ashton B.:
    Testimony....................................................     9
    Prepared statement...........................................   125
Graham, Hon. Bob:
    Testimony....................................................   106
    Prepared statement with an attachment........................   191
Hughes, Lt. Gen. Patrick M.:
    Testimony....................................................    13
    Prepared statement...........................................   135
Mueller, Hon. Robert S., III:
    Testimony....................................................    70
    Prepared statement...........................................   184
Odom, Lt. Gen. William E.:
    Testimony....................................................    19
    Prepared statement...........................................   156
Shelby, Hon. Richard C.:
    Testimony....................................................   109
    Prepared statement with an attachment........................   209
Smith, Jeffrey H.:
    Testimony....................................................    16
    Prepared statement...........................................   140
Tenet, Hon. George J.:
    Testimony....................................................    67
    Prepared statement...........................................   175
Webster, Hon. William H.:
    Testimony....................................................    93

              Additional Material Submitted for the Record
                             June 26, 2002

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), prepared statement........   221
Richard J. Davis, prepared statement.............................   232

Questions for the Record and responses from:
    Hon. Ashton B. Carter........................................   241
    Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes with an attachment................   242
    Jeffrey H. Smith.............................................   256
    Lt. Gen. William E. Odom.....................................   259
    Chief William B. Berger......................................   266

                             June 27, 2002

FBI letter regarding search capabilities of the FBI's Automated 
  Case Support (ACS) System......................................   267

Questions for the Record and responses from:
    Hon. William H. Webster......................................   270
    Hon. George J. Tenet.........................................   273
    Hon. Richard C. Shelby.......................................   278
    Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III..................................   282




 
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    The enclosed responses to questions for the record 
submitted by the Honorable Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, 
Federal Bureau of Investigation, were not included in the 
original transcript of this hearing. This designation will 
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