[Senate Hearing 105-516]
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                                                        S. Hrg. 105-516
                                                             Part I    
 
                       THE SAFETY OF FOOD IMPORTS

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                                HEARING

                               before the

                               PERMANENT
                     SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS

                                 of the

                              COMMITTEE ON
                          GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
                          UNITED STATES SENATE

                       ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                                 PART I


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                              MAY 14, 1998




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                   COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS

                   FRED THOMPSON, Tennessee, Chairman
WILLIAM V. ROTH, Jr., Deleware       JOHN GLENN, Ohio
TED STEVENS, Alaska                  CARL LEVIN, Michigan
SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine              JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut
SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas                DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii
PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico         RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois
THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi            ROBERT G. TORRICELLI,
DON NICKLES, Oklahoma                  New Jersey
ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania          MAX CLELAND, Georgia
             Hannah S. Sistare, Staff Director and Counsel
                 Leonard Weiss, Minority Staff Director
                       Lynn L. Baker, Chief Clerk

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                PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS

                   SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine, Chairman
WILLIAM V. ROTH, Jr., Deleware       JOHN GLENN, Ohio
TED STEVENS, Alaska                  CARL LEVIN, Michigan
SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas                JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut
PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico         DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii
THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi            RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois
DON NICKLES, Oklahoma                ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey
ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania          MAX CLELAND, Georgia
           Timothy J. Shea, Chief Counsel and Staff Director
                 David McKean, Minority Staff Director
                 Pamela Marple, Minority Chief Counsel
                     Mary D. Robertson, Chief Clerk



                            C O N T E N T S

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Opening statements:
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    Senator Collins..............................................     1
    Senator Glenn................................................     3
    Senator Durbin...............................................     5
    Senator Levin................................................     7
    Senator Akaka................................................    21
    Senator Cochran..............................................    35
    Senator Brownback............................................    36

                               WITNESSES
                         Thursday, May 14, 1998

Mary Ellen Camire, Associate Professor and Chair, Department of 
  Food Science and Human Nutrition, University of Maine..........     9
Robert E. Robertson, Associate Director, Food and Agriculture 
  Issues, U.S. General Accounting Office; accompanied by Keith 
  Oleson, San Francisco Regional Office, U.S. General Accounting 
  Office.........................................................    23
Reggie Jang, Former Food and Drug Administration Consumer Safety 
  Inspector......................................................    41

                     Alphabetical List of Witnesses

Camire, Mary Ellen:
    Testimony....................................................     9
    Prepared Statement...........................................    47
Jang, Reggi:
    Testimony....................................................    41
Robertson, Robert E.:
    Testimony....................................................    23
    Prepared Statement...........................................    54

                                APPENDIX

                 Exhibit List for May 14, 1998 Hearing


 1. Chart prepared by the Permanent Subcommittee on 
  Investigations, ``U.S. Import of Fruit and Vegetables''........    64
 2. List of Imported Fruit and Vegetables on display at May 14, 
  1998 Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations' hearing.........    65
 3. GAO Report to the Chairman, Permanent Subcommittee on 
  Investigations, Committee on Governmental Affairs, U.S. Senate, 
  FOOD SAFETY: Federal Efforts to Ensure the Safety of Imported 
  Foods Are Inconsistent and Unreliable, April 1998, GAO/RCED-98-
  103............................................................    66
 4. Charts prepared by the General Accounting Office:
    a. GActions Taken on Imported Food Entries, FDA, FY 1997.....   129
    b. GActions Taken on Imported Food Entries Regulated by FSIS, 
      CY 1997....................................................   130
 5. Statement for the Record, American Frozen Food Institute....   131
 6. Statement for the Record, American Meat Institute...........   183
 7. Statement for the Record, Food Marketing Institute..........   186
 8. Statement for the Record, Grocery Manufacturers of America..   188
 9. Statement for the Record, National Broiler Council..........   205
10. Statement for the Record, National Consumers League.........   207
11. Statement for the Record, National Fisheries Institute......   213
12. Statement for the Record, National Food Processors 
  Association....................................................   215
13. Statement for the Record, National Restaurant Association...   219
14. Statement for the Record, Western Growers Association.......   222
15. Statement for the Record, Wild Blueberry Commission of Maine   227
16. Statement for the Record, Food Industry Trade Coalition.....   229
17. Statement for the Record, Deputy Secretary of Agriculture, 
  Government   of Mexico.........................................   232
18. Statement for the Record, Fresh Produce Association of the 
  Americas.......................................................   234
19. CRS Report to Congress, ``Food Safety: Recommendations for 
  Changes in the Organization of Federal Food Safety 
  Responsibilities, 1949-1997,'' April 21, 1998, by Donna U. 
  Vogt, Analyst in Social Sciences, Science, Technology, and 
  Medicine Division, Congresisonal Research Service, Library of 
  Congress.......................................................   238


                       THE SAFETY OF FOOD IMPORTS

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                         THURSDAY, MAY 14, 1998

                                       U.S. Senate,
                Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations,  
                  of the Committee on Governmental Affairs,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:33 a.m., in 
room SD-342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Susan 
Collins, Chairman of the Subcommittee, presiding.
    Present: Senators Collins, Brownback, Domenici, Cochran, 
Glenn, Levin, Akaka, and Durbin.
    Staff Present: Timothy J. Shea, Chief Counsel/Staff 
Director; Mary D. Robertson, Chief Clerk; Stephanie Smith, 
Investigator (Congressional Fellow); Don Mullinax, Chief 
Investigator; Kirk E. Walder, Investigator; Lindsey E. Ledwin, 
Staff Assistant; Pamela Marple, Minority Chief Counsel; Beth 
Stein, Counsel to the Minority; Brian Benczkowski (Senator 
Domenici), Butch Burke (Senator Stevens), Michael Loesch 
(Senator Cochran), Steve Abbott (Senator Collins); Felicia 
Knight (Senator Collins); Kevin Mattis (Senator Specter); 
Carolyn Farris (Senator Brownback); Linda Gustitus (Senator 
Levin); Nanci Langley (Senator Akaka); Marianne Upton (Senator 
Durbin); Antigone Popamianos (Senator Levin); Scott Brady 
(Senator Cleland); Pat Souders (Senator Durbin); Melissa Merz 
(Senator Durbin); Nick Castro (Senator Durbin); and Kevin Mulry 
(Senator Durbin).

              OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR COLLINS

    Senator Collins. Good morning. The Subcommittee will please 
come to order. Today, the Permanent Subcommittee on 
Investigations holds its first in a series of hearings on the 
safety of imported food. This hearing is part of an effort 
launched last June by the Subcommittee to ensure that our food 
supply remains one of the safest in the world.
    Food safety is a serious and growing public health problem 
in America. The General Accounting Office has reported that as 
many as 81 million cases of foodborne illnesses and more than 
9,000 related deaths occur in the United States each year. The 
medical treatment and lost productivity resulting from 
foodborne illnesses cost us billions of dollars each year.
    The safety of our Nation's food supply is something that we 
take for granted. Whether we shop at a corner convenience store 
or a deluxe modern supermarket, we expect the quality of our 
food products to be consistently high. We fill our grocery 
carts, assuming that the food we bring home to our families is 
tasty, wholesome, and, most of all, safe. We have come to 
expect year-round availability of the fruit and vegetables that 
we used to enjoy only in the summer months.
    Today, we live in a global economy where national borders 
are more open and where trade barriers have fallen. Free trade 
has helped fuel our economic expansion. However, with free and 
open trade comes the responsibility to protect that part of the 
food supply imported into our country.
    Much of our food safety efforts in the past have focused on 
American products. Ensuring food safety, however, can no longer 
be achieved by focusing solely on domestic production and 
distribution. Foods can be contaminated at any point throughout 
the food chain, from the farm to the table. But in the case of 
imported foods, we must be especially vigilant because part of 
that chain exists outside the United States.
    Recent reports have raised serious questions about the 
safety of some imported fruit and vegetables. In 1997, for 
example, over 200 students and teachers in Michigan developed 
hepatitis after eating frozen strawberries imported from 
Mexico. The imported strawberries also caused at least 29 cases 
of hepatitis in my home State of Maine.
    Moreover, in 1996 and 1997, over 2,000 people were infected 
with Cyclospora after eating tainted raspberries imported from 
Guatemala. This was one of the largest outbreaks of foodborne 
disease in recent years. Once again, this outbreak reached the 
State of Maine.
    In response to these and other disturbing outbreaks, last 
summer, the Subcommittee undertook an extensive investigation 
of the systems and procedures used by Federal agencies to 
ensure that the imported food that reaches American consumers 
is safe. To assist the Subcommittee in its ongoing 
investigation, I requested the General Accounting Office to 
examine the efforts of Federal agencies to ensure the safety of 
food imports. During our hearing today, the Subcommittee will 
hear the findings from that GAO review, which represent a 
serious indictment of the standard practices used by the 
Federal Food and Drug Administration.
    The Subcommittee's hearing will focus on the following 
important questions. First, how does the increasing volume of 
imported foods affect the safety of the U.S. food supply? 
Second, are resources efficiently deployed by the agencies 
charged with ensuring the safety of food imports? Third, are 
the agencies charged with protecting our food supply 
effectively conducting inspections at ports of entry? And 
fourth, are sufficient controls in place to prevent unsafe 
foods that are detected at our borders from entering U.S. 
commerce?
    Our markets are increasingly filled with imported fruit and 
vegetables. Shipments of imported foods have more than doubled 
during the past 5 years. In 1996, the United States imported 
$7.2 billion worth of fruit and vegetables from at least 90 
different countries, an increase in dollar terms of 48 percent 
from 1990.
    In January of this year, a typical American grocery store 
displayed for sale fruit and vegetables not only from the 
United States, but also from 28 other countries, and this trend 
will continue. The Federal Food and Drug Administration has 
projected that imports of fruit and vegetables will go up by 
another 33 percent between now and the year 2002. Yet, despite 
the increasing volume, the FDA inspections of imported fruit 
and vegetables have declined sharply. Those two trends are 
shown on the chart that is displayed.\1\
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    The National Cancer Institute is encouraging us to eat at 
least five servings a day of fruit and vegetables. As Federal 
officials encourage Americans to follow this excellent advice, 
the FDA and other Federal agencies responsible for food safety 
need to ensure that consumers can, indeed, have confidence in 
the safety of the food we eat. As more pathogenic organisms are 
showing up on fresh produce and as consumers become more aware 
of the serious consequences of foodborne illnesses, consumers 
are looking to the government to better protect our food 
supply.
    The safety of food imports is literally a life and death 
issue for many Americans. The most vulnerable are the very 
young, the very old, and the very ill. As the vast majority of 
our food supply is safe, consumers obviously should not stop 
eating fruit and vegetables. However, the import inspection 
system must be improved so that consumers are protected from 
the risk of unsafe foods, particularly when contamination often 
is not detectable to the average consumer.
    Finally, let me emphasize that this hearing is the 
Subcommittee's first step in shedding light on the weaknesses 
in the Nation's food import system. We will be holding three 
other hearings later this year. I want to make sure that our 
current programs are being effectively managed and that 
resources are focused on those imports posing the greatest 
risk. American consumers deserve no less than the safest 
possible food supply.
    We will hear this morning from three witnesses. Dr. Mary 
Ellen Camire, Chair of the Department of Food Science and Human 
Nutrition of the University of Maine will discuss the 
seriousness of foodborne pathogens associated with imported 
foods.
    We will then hear testimony from Robert Robertson, the 
Associate Director for Food and Agriculture Issues for the 
General Accounting Office. He will testify about the weaknesses 
in the current food import system discovered during GAO's 
recent examination.
    Reggie Jang, a former FDA consumer safety inspector, will 
be our third witness this morning. He is awaiting sentencing on 
Federal bribery charges related to his FDA job. With almost 36 
years of experience as an FDA inspector, Mr. Jang will discuss 
his first-hand knowledge of inspecting food imports.
    We look forward to hearing from these witnesses this 
morning and to exploring ways to improve the food import 
system.
    It is now my pleasure to recognize the Ranking Minority 
Member of the Subcommittee, the distinguished senior Senator 
from Ohio, John Glenn, for any statement that he may have.

               OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR GLENN

    Senator Glenn. Thank you, Madam Chairman, very much. I do 
welcome this hearing this morning. I want to thank you for your 
role in setting up this hearing to investigate this very 
important matter of food safety.
    In the past 10 years, as you said, Americans have become 
much more healthy eaters. It all started off with our spouses 
giving us vitamins at the breakfast table and we hear over the 
radio, fruit, vegetables, grains, and beans, that is what you 
want to eat. You want to stay away from fat. That is bad. Do 
not plug up your arteries, and all this stuff. We are much more 
health conscious now than we were just a few years ago. There 
probably is not a person in this room that does not know what 
their approximate cholesterol count is. We are very much more 
tuned into health matters.
    We now want to be healthy eaters, and so we are consuming 
more fresh fruit and vegetables than ever before. 
Unfortunately, the farmers in this country are not keeping up 
with all that. We get so much of our produce from California, 
Florida, and other States, but we cannot grow enough fresh 
fruit and vegetables to really keep up with all of our demand 
completely, especially during the winter months. So, as a 
result, we are importing more fresh foods from other countries 
than ever before.
    We do insist that imported meat and poultry adhere to rigid 
U.S. safety standards, but there are no equivalent standards 
for other imported foods. In other words, we do not really know 
whether vegetables and fruit from other countries have been 
grown, harvested and packed in safe and sanitary conditions.
    I am increasingly concerned with the speed with which new 
diseases are developing and showing up in our food supply. In 
my home State of Ohio, several hundred people have reportedly 
been seriously ill for weeks as a result of eating fruit 
contaminated with the parasite Cyclospora, and I think we will 
hear more about that later this morning.
    Two years ago, I had never heard of Cyclospora. I did not 
know there was such a thing. I do not know how new it is or 
whether it has been around or whether it just immigrated into 
this country, but I had never even heard of Cyclospora, and 
yet, here it is and several hundred people are sick with it. 
There has never been an outbreak in the United States, as I 
understand it.
    I want to emphasize that we do not want to scare people to 
death. The majority of our food in this country is safe and 
government agencies charged with overseeing food inspection 
work hard to keep it safe. But are we doing enough and are the 
standards enough, or what the inspectors have to work with in 
the ways of laws that really protect our people, are they 
adequate? That is what we have to address, also.
    I want to thank our Chairwoman for bringing this issue to 
the forefront. I hope we can enact legislation to ensure that 
all food, not just most of it, but all food eaten by American 
consumers, whether imported or domestic, has to come up and 
meet the same rigorous standards. There cannot be dual 
standards, one that is less for imported food and higher for 
what we have in this country.
    I look forward to hearing from the witnesses today about 
ways we can work to ensure the safety of our food. Thank you 
very much.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Senator Glenn.
    Senator Durbin has also been a leader in this issue and I 
would call upon him now for any opening statement that he might 
have.

              OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR DURBIN

    Senator Durbin. Thanks, Senator Collins, and thank you for 
having this hearing. Food safety is an issue that I got 
interested in about 10 years ago when I was serving in the 
House of Representatives on the Agriculture Appropriations 
Subcommittee, which was responsible for the USDA and the Food 
and Drug Administration.
    I think one of the most educational trips that I have ever 
taken as a member of Congress was when I spent a day in 
Nogales, Arizona, at the border and watched the actual 
inspection process. I watched a sample being taken by an FDA 
employee and then I followed that sample into the Los Angeles 
laboratory. It arrived the next day. I learned more about the 
process of how it works by just being there firsthand than I 
could have ever possibly learned in the course of a hearing.
    There were some real eye-openers 10 years ago, and I am 
anxious to find out from the FDA how many of them have changed. 
The man who took the sample in Nogales, Arizona, was a retired 
individual who came to work on a bicycle. This was a part-time 
job. He knew everybody, including the truckers as they came 
through, and he took the sample. He put it, as he was supposed 
to, appropriately, in the brown paper bags and then took it off 
to be shipped by bus to Los Angeles. Congress had cut the money 
for shipments of the samples by airplane. We decided we could 
not afford that any longer.
    Well, the problem, of course, is obvious. By the time the 
sample reached Los Angeles, the food had already reached the 
market somewhere, and if there was something wrong with it, the 
best the FDA could do was hope that they would catch it the 
next time around. That is the system that was in place then and 
I am anxious to find out if it has changed much.
    Incidentally, that FDA laboratory in Los Angeles was a 
mess. The ceilings were falling down. There was inadequate 
equipment. I left there really concerned about it. I think 
there have been substantial improvements since then in new 
headquarters and in new equipment, which are certainly long 
overdue. The condition of labs, I think, is part of this, as 
well.
    There is no doubt that there has been a dramatic increase 
in the import of fruit and vegetables in this country. Walk 
into any produce section of any grocery store in America and 
look at what you see and compare that to what you might have 
seen 20 years ago. Our appetites are so diverse now. We want to 
try everything, and the produce department tries to offer 
everything. We do not grow everything in America, so they bring 
it in from countries all around the world.
    But the interesting thing is, as the imports of fruit and 
vegetables have increased dramatically, creating a lot of 
health challenges, we have not met our obligation on Capitol 
Hill to provide the Food and Drug Administration with the 
resources to keep up with this flood of imports of fruit and 
vegetables. I think that this hearing is going to pinpoint that 
and really show that not only does the FDA have the 
responsibility to inspect, but Congress has a responsibility to 
provide the resources so that FDA can inspect.
    As I look at some of the statistics that we have here 
before us, it is troubling to see all of this outbreak of 
illness that is related to fruit and vegetables. I know that 
there are other food products that are equally dangerous. I 
want to emphasize, as the Chairman has, that we are blessed 
with the safest food supply in the world, but we can do a lot 
better. Let me suggest a couple of areas where we can do 
better.
    First, this recent GAO report recommends the formation of a 
single food inspection agency for the United States of America. 
This radical idea was proposed in 1994 by Vice President Gore, 
and I have introduced legislation, the Safe Food Act, S. 1465, 
to replace the fragmented Federal food safety system with a 
single, consolidated, independent agency with responsibility 
for all Federal food inspection.
    Currently, there are 12 different Federal agencies and 35 
different laws governing food safety and inspection functions. 
With so many bureaucrats in the kitchen, it is no wonder that 
breakdowns occur. Overlapping jurisdiction, Federal agencies 
without accountability, and resources that are wasted are just 
inexcusable. A single independent agency that will focus our 
policy and improve the enforcement of food safety inspection is 
really overdue.
    Let me give you an example. Typical was this case that was 
cited by the Chairman of the outbreak of hepatitis A attributed 
to strawberries suspected of being of Mexican origin. Now, 
which Federal agency was going to take a look at these 
strawberries? Well, strawberries are regulated by the Food and 
Drug Administration, except in this case, because these 
strawberries were headed for the school lunch program, the U.S. 
Department of Agriculture also had jurisdiction. Dueling 
agencies, is that a good idea? I do not think it is. I think it 
is a waste of resources and something we can certainly do 
something about.
    Consider eggs. An egg in the shell is under the 
jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture. A broken egg 
falls within the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug 
Administration. A pepperoni pizza, Department of Agriculture. 
Cheese pizza, the Food and Drug Administration. Go figure. This 
is how the laws are written in America and they do not make 
sense. It is time for us to change them.
    Let me also say that the limitations on the Food and Drug 
Administration need to be examined. The Food Safety Inspection 
Service of USDA has the authority to require exporters of meat 
and poultry to the U.S. to have systems equivalent to ours. The 
Food and Drug Administration does not have this authority. It 
allows food imports from almost any country and takes on the 
burden of ensuring the safety of imported foods only as they 
arrive in the United States.
    In 1997, about 2.7 million imported shipments of food were 
received in the United States. The FDA inspected 1.7 percent of 
those shipments. In 1997, administration initiatives on food 
safety proposed the FDA be given equivalency authority, like 
the Department of Agriculture. Senator Mikulski introduced S. 
1707, which would achieve this, and I think it is a good thing 
for us to do that.
    As we see more and more imports, we have to ask whether the 
system is on overload. According to GAO, in 1997, the number of 
import entries per USDA inspector was approximately 1,645. 
Contrast this with the Food and Drug Administration. The 
average number of annual food shipments per FDA inspector was 
approximately 10,555. Is it any wonder that they are missing 
things? I think, frankly, that we have got to give them the 
resources and the legal authority and then hold them 
accountable for exercising that authority properly.
    I am glad the administration has stepped forward in 
enacting HACCP, a new standard which, frankly, will bring food 
inspection in the United States into the 20th and 21st century. 
I think this is something that has to be done with the 
cooperation of both political parties and all agencies of the 
Federal Government.
    The legislation I have introduced to consolidate agencies 
is not about more regulation, it is about effective regulation, 
lower costs, and clearer goals. To mangle a metaphor, let us 
step up to the plate together and make sure it is safe to eat 
what is on it. Thanks.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Senator Durbin. Senator Levin.

               OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LEVIN

    Senator Levin. Thank you, Senator, Collins, for your 
leadership, for calling this hearing to discuss a very, very 
critical issue, which is the safety of imported foods and also 
the GAO's findings on the adequacy of our Federal Government 
food inspection efforts. I commend the GAO for its thorough and 
its well-reasoned report and look forward to their testimony.
    Ensuring the safety of this Nation's public food supply, 
whether domestic or imported, must be a top priority for our 
government. In February, I introduced the Safe Food Plan Act to 
emphasize food safety in the Department of Agriculture and to 
create a food safety rapid response team within the agency to 
react timely to food safety crises. Some important features of 
that bill, including the establishment of the FEMA-like crisis 
management teams to respond to foodborne illness outbreaks, are 
incorporated in the Senate bill that we just passed, S. 1150, 
the Agricultural Research Extension and Education Reform Act of 
1998.
    Based on the studies that I have seen, including this GAO 
report, our laws have big gaps, the remedies that are in the 
existing laws are woefully weak, and our enforcement is 
understaffed, given the huge increase in imported food. We have 
to reevaluate our inspection schemes for imported foods in 
light of the statistics which Senator Durbin and others have 
given showing the huge growth of agricultural imports to the 
United States.
    CRS estimates that over 33 million Americans get sick each 
year from cases of foodborne illness, with over 9,000 deaths 
resulting from those same cases of foodborne illness. The case 
of Lindsey Donneth in Michigan comes to mind. She attends 
school in Marshall, Michigan. Her mother, Sue Donneth, 
testified before this Committee in February, relating the 
incident in which her daughter, as well as hundreds of other 
Michigan school children and teachers, contracted hepatitis A 
from tainted strawberries that were imported from Mexico. They 
were part of a strawberry shortcake that was part of a school 
lunch program. While Federal law prohibits the use of imported 
foods in the school lunch program, those strawberries somehow 
or other made it into the program.
    Lindsey Donneth experienced a horrific reaction to the 
contaminated strawberries. She was hospitalized and she 
continues to have significant heath-related problems as a 
result of the incident.
    In addition to the suffering and the other unquantifiable 
costs that are caused to victims, our Attorney General, Frank 
Kelly, has estimated that this single incident of tainted 
strawberries in our school lunch program cost my home State 
almost $1 million. That is the quantifiable cost, not the 
suffering and the pain and the loss, just the dollar cost to 
our State. Calhoun County's costs to combat this outbreak alone 
were $150,000.
    So we have major problems here with our food, our food 
supply, and particularly our imported food, and I look forward, 
Madam Chairman, to these hearings and again commend you for the 
initiative which you and so many other Members of this 
Committee, our Ranking Member, Senator Glenn, and Senator 
Durbin and others have taken in this area.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Senator Levin. I know this is 
of great personal concern to you, given the outbreak in your 
home State.
    Prior to this hearing, as Chair, I sent letters to 21 
consumer and industry groups inviting them to provide written 
statements on the safety of food imports. As of today's 
hearing, not all of the statements have been received. The 
hearing record will, therefore, be left open for 10 days so 
that all statements can be printed in the record, and also, 
without objection and for the convenience of Members, all 
exhibits previously made available to the Subcommittee, 
including the charts that we will use today, will be made part 
of the hearing record.\1\
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    In front of us today is an assortment of imported fruit 
that the staff purchased last night at a Virginia 
supermarket.\2\ Just to give you some idea in case the labels 
are not clear, we have fruit from Mexico, Guatemala, Dominican 
Republic, Ecuador, Belize, Costa Rica, South Africa, Chile, New 
Zealand, Turkey, and Thailand. I think that is very typical of 
what one finds in the marketplace nowadays.
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    Our first witness this morning is Dr. Mary Ellen Camire. 
Dr. Camire is the Chair of the Department of Food Science and 
Human Nutrition at the University of Maine and a recognized 
expert on food safety. She has testified previously before a 
House Committee as an expert witness on food safety.
    She earned her A.B. degree from Harvard Radcliffe, a 
master's degree from the University of Massachusetts, and her 
Ph.D. from Texas Woman's University. She is the author of more 
than 20 scientific papers and four book chapters on food safety 
and we are delighted to have her here with us today.
    Pursuant to Rule 6, all witnesses who testify before the 
Subcommittee are required to be sworn in. It is not that we do 
not believe you will tell the truth, it is part of our 
procedures. So I will ask at this time that you rise and raise 
your right hand.
    Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give the 
Subcommittee is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth, so help you, God?
    Ms. Camire. I do.
    Senator Collins. Thank you.
    Unfortunately, Dr. Camire has been stricken with 
laryngitis, so we will do the best that we can, and if you need 
more water at any point, please just motion the clerk. Senator 
Glenn asked whether it is a result of a foodborne illness from 
imported food. [Laughter.]
    Please proceed, and bring the microphone as close to you as 
possible and speak right into it. Thank you.

  TESTIMONY OF MARY ELLEN CAMIRE,\1\ ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AND 
    CHAIR, DEPARTMENT OF FOOD SCIENCE AND HUMAN NUTRITION, 
                      UNIVERSITY OF MAINE

    Ms. Camire. Thank you. First of all, I would like to thank 
Senator Collins for inviting me to speak today and for bringing 
this important issue to the forefront.
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    My name is Mary Ellen Camire and I am Chair of the 
Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition at the 
University of Maine. I think food safety is a concern for many 
Americans today. I would like to give you an overview of the 
problem of the safety of foods brought into our country, first 
looking at some of the more serious pathogenic disease-causing 
microorganisms that have been found in foods and then 
addressing some things that could be done to address these 
issues.
    Most of the pathogenic microorganisms that are found in 
foods are really spread by contact with feces. It is not a very 
appealing thought, but contact with feces is pretty much the 
only way you can contract a foodborne illness. Human feces are 
the highest risk because human diseases are more easily passed, 
but animal feces also contain a number of pathogenic 
microorganisms that can also cause human disease.
    When we import foods from less developed countries, they 
may have untreated sewage. This contaminates the drinking water 
and it also contaminates the water used to irrigate fields and 
wash produce in processing areas. When tourists are advised not 
to drink the water, we do not stop and think that they are 
using this same water to wash the foods that are then shipped 
to our stores.
    We also have a problem with sewage that is discharged into 
the ocean in these countries, that oysters and clams and 
mussels, shellfish, filter seawater, and in filtering the 
seawater, they concentrate these microorganisms in them, and 
when you go to eat them, they are just full of the bacteria and 
viruses.
    The problems with sanitary conditions in farm fields have 
been a major hazard. One of the ways to reduce this risk is 
hand washing by farm employees. This is not particularly easy 
to do. Portable toilets may be available to workers, they may 
not be, but since farm workers are paid by the piece, they do 
not necessarily want to take the time to go to the portable 
toilets and use the sanitation facilities there. They may or 
may not have hand washing. They lose time, and time is money, 
so they tend to just go right there.
    Contamination from animal feces is a major problem, that 
farms create huge piles of manure that they will eventually use 
for fertilizer. When it rains or there are floods, the manure 
will spread out over the farms and contaminate the produce.
    You also have a problem with cats and farm animals and even 
wild animals walking through the fields and spreading. We have 
found deer and wild birds' feces contain many of the 
microorganisms that give us illnesses.
    The first microorganism I would like to discuss is 
Cyclospora. Previously, this microorganism had only been 
associated with drinking water. In fact, we only really heard 
about it in the 1980's, so Senator Glenn was correct. We did 
not know about this microorganism until the 1980's. No one 
heard of it. Previously, it was only found in remote areas in 
the drinking water. If you went hiking, you may contract it.
    Guatemalan raspberries were associated with the 1996 
outbreak that made almost 1,500 people ill in 20 States. 
Cyclospora produces a very violent form of diarrhea, with 
fever, cramps, vomiting, and other unpleasant symptoms that 
occur within a week of ingestion. Although it can be treated to 
some extent with antibiotics, it is not a bacteria, it is a 
parasite. There is a possibility for fatal dehydration to occur 
in very young children and very elderly patients.
    There is not a simple test for this parasite. You can 
screen patients and examine their feces for this microorganism, 
but you cannot test food for this microorganism. There is not 
an easy way. If a worker has this disease, there is no easy way 
to test them other than collecting a fecal sample, and we are 
not really sure right now of the effects of processing, such as 
freezing and canning and blanching on Cyclospora. We do not 
know if the microorganism survives the freezing process.
    Another microorganism that has been associated with 
imported foods is hepatitis A. FDA has classified hepatitis A 
as a serious food hazard. It can survive in the environment or 
on food surfaces for many weeks, is resistant to drying and 
heating, and these are two of the methods we use to preserve 
foods.
    Hepatitis A is also spread through feces. Contaminated 
water as well as food transmit the virus to the small 
intestine, and then it goes from there to the liver, and then 
it goes into the blood stream. You only need 10 to 100 
particles to produce an infection.
    What happens with shellfish is that they will filter this 
in the ocean. Sewage is discharged in the ocean. It is easier 
to collect the shellfish close to shore, where the sewage is 
discharged, and they concentrate the virus. They are harvested, 
they are shipped to market, and they are full of the virus.
    Strawberries and salad greens have also been identified as 
sources of contamination, and these require a fair amount of 
handling. The strawberries must be hand picked and then they 
are put in the boxes. So every time someone touches a berry, 
there is a potential of contaminating that berry with hepatitis 
A.
    Salad greens also must be hand collected and then washed, 
and there is a big trend now with the baby greens and the more 
exotic greens, and those require, again, more hand contact, 
which increases the risk of contamination. Mechanically 
harvested crops, where you have a machine shaking the product 
onto a basket, poses a much lower risk.
    Hepatitis A is like other viruses, such as chicken pox, in 
that once you have been exposed to it, you get an immune 
response and that gives you immunity against repeated 
infection. In these other countries, it is a common childhood 
illness. In Mexico, inspectors went from the Centers for 
Disease Control. Farm workers in the suspected farms were not 
sick. Yes, they had hepatitis in their system, but they were 
not obviously sick because they had had it as young children 
and developed immunity. They did not get sick from it again.
    It is fairly mild in children. Just remember, chicken pox 
is always worse when you have it as an adult. It is the same 
thing with these other viral illnesses. It is just milder for 
children, that virtually all children in less developed 
countries can be exposed to this and they develop immunity.
    In 1997, over 150 people in Michigan became ill from eating 
these frozen strawberries which were processed in California. 
They were distributed in six States, but other States, 
including Maine, received these berries. In California, the 
children were immunized as a precaution. The company paid for 
the immunizations. They needed to have two immunizations and 
there was a cost of approximately $100 per student for the 
immunization.
    There are several forms of hepatitis, but another form that 
may be a problem in the near future is hepatitis E. This is an 
emerging disease in Asia, in Africa, and Mexico. This is also 
spread through the fecal contamination of water and I 
anticipate that this could be another foodborne illness in the 
near future, and this is one for which we have no immunization 
available.
    A bacterial form of food poisoning that we will see is 
salmonella. I think more people are aware of salmonella 
poisoning. This is a traditional church picnic type of food 
poisoning. The typical symptoms include vomiting, nausea, 
diarrhea. It is sort of acute. You get it within a few days or 
maybe a few hours of eating the food. The bacteria also can go 
into the blood stream and cause severe infections, particularly 
in the elderly and in individuals who already have another 
disease.
    There are several species of salmonella. Salmonella 
enteritidis is one that we are seeing more and more associated 
with eggs and poultry. This causes a severe infection, but we 
also see one that causes what we used to call in the old days 
typhoid fever, and that is salmonella typhi. This has a 
fatality rate of 10 percent. So 10 percent of the people who 
contact this disease will die from it. For most salmonella 
species, it is only 1 percent.
    People are familiar with salmonella, but I do not think 
they realize the potential for fatalities. The elderly are very 
susceptible to fatalities for any of these salmonella 
infections. People in nursing homes and hospital patients are 
particularly at risk because they may already have other 
illnesses which have weakened their immune systems and they 
cannot fight back.
    Two large outbreaks of salmonella were traced back to 
cantaloupes imported from Mexico in 1989, in 1991, and there 
were several deaths associated with those outbreaks.
    One of the particularly insidious things that occurs with 
salmonella infections is chronic conditions. My youngest 
brother contracted salmonella when we were children, and I can 
tell you, it is not a pleasant thing to do. If you do not die 
or have chronic symptoms, you have severe diarrhea and you 
almost wish you were dying at some point.
    Many people, within a few weeks after the initial bout of 
the nausea and diarrhea is over, start developing a form of 
arthritis that sets in. Many bacterial infections will cause 
autoimmune disorders to develop, and for salmonella, we have 
traced this back to arthritis pain.
    The final species I would like to discuss is E. coli, and 
particularly E. coli 0157:H7. E. coli is found in our 
intestines and there are very different strains that have 
developed in recent years. Two of these strains were associated 
with imported foods, but E. coli 0157 we are familiar with the 
Jack in the Box poisonings. This has been traced back to juices 
and sprouts and a variety of other food products. It has not 
yet been detected in imported foods, but American foods shipped 
to other countries have been identified as a source of this 
problem, so it goes both ways. American foods have also been 
fingerprinted as being a source of contamination.
    I notice that my red light is on.
    Senator Collins. If you have a few more comments you want 
to make, go right ahead.
    Ms. Camire. OK. I just have a couple more comments.
    Senator Collins. OK.
    Ms. Camire. I believe that preventative measures at the 
farm level are the best precaution, that inspections are not 
effective because you cannot test every single shipment. In 
many of these pathogens, we have no effective way of measuring 
them in foods. So, therefore, inspection will not tell you 
anything. To go back to the farm, make sure that the farm, the 
processors are employing safe practices by the use of HACCP and 
other practices. It is, I think, the best protection to the 
American public.
    In summation, I think without any further intervention, the 
outlook for foodborne illnesses from imported as well as 
domestic foods is not very good. New pathogens will continue to 
develop. Using science to plan screening programs to improve 
safety was efficient in terms of cost and manpower. We must 
remember that imported foods are not the only problem.
    The American public has changed. Americans are more 
susceptible to foodborne illnesses. There are more individuals 
with HIV, who have been treated for cancer, had transplants, 
and more elderly people alive today. We must do more to educate 
them on how to protect themselves against foodborne illness.
    As a resident of a State that has a very short growing 
season and relies heavily on imported food, I think it is time 
that we ensure the safety of imported produce, in particular. 
Thank you.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Dr. Camire. You have 
certainly succeeded in spoiling our appetites for the rest of 
the day. None of us will touch any fruit or vegetables. 
[Laughter.]
    In all seriousness, I really appreciate your coming forward 
and helping us to understand the pathogens involved and just 
how serious this issue is.
    We are going to have 10-minute rounds of questions now, so 
we will have the lights on for the Senators, as well.
    As I mentioned earlier, my staff went to a local grocery 
store and was able to gather some imported fruit that you see 
before you on the table. Now, you are a trained scientist. You 
are an expert on food safety. Can you just by looking at this 
fruit, as you would in a grocery store, identify which ones are 
tainted or possibly contaminated or pose a risk?
    Ms. Camire. No. I could not tell you, just looking at them. 
No one could.
    Senator Collins. So it is not realistic to expect the 
consumer to solve this problem. There is no way that the 
average consumer could tell whether or not these fruit are 
contaminated if you, a scientist and an expert could not, is 
that correct?
    Ms. Camire. Right. [Nodding head up and down.]
    Senator Collins. Are there pathogens that could remain on 
this fruit or vegetables even if the consumer rinsed it and 
properly prepared the fruit or vegetable?
    Ms. Camire. There have been some studies. This is an area, 
in fact, that there has been very little research, but the 
research that has been done shows that simply rinsing, which is 
what most people would do, will not remove all bacteria.
    And then you have a problem. You have got cut melons. If I 
was going to point out something that might be a risk, it would 
be those cut melons, because you cannot scrub them. If you have 
a whole watermelon, you can scrub the outside pretty well. That 
is what is going to be contaminated. But once somebody cuts it, 
you do not know how well they have washed the outside of that 
before they have cut the melon.
    Senator Collins. So even if a consumer carefully rinses the 
vegetables and fruit that the consumer buys, while it is a good 
step to take, it is no guarantee that is going to make the 
vegetable or fruit safe?
    Ms. Camire. Correct.
    Senator Collins. As we have mentioned earlier, the volume 
of imported fruit and vegetables has soared in the past 5 years 
and it is expected to increase even more in the future. Are 
there any unique risks that are posed by imports that we should 
be concerned about?
    Ms. Camire. I think, in particular, any of the crops that 
are hand picked, such as the berries and the leafy greens pose 
a particular risk.
    Senator Collins. Is there also an issue here because of the 
sanitation methods in lesser developed or developing nations, 
that they may not be equivalent to what we are used to in the 
United States? You mentioned some of the hand picking and 
sanitation process and your belief that you really need to cure 
this problem at the farm.
    Ms. Camire. Yes. I think what I have seen from the cases in 
Mexico and Guatemala is that once the farmers realized what was 
going on, they were able to institute practices that made the 
food safer. But not all the farmers are aware of this. So if we 
do a top-down approach and ask the governments of each country 
to make sure that the farmers understand the practices and 
follow through on them and provide adequate sanitation on their 
farms, I think that is a big first step in securing food safety 
from imported foods.
    Senator Collins. Another problem posed by food imports is 
that American consumers may not possess the natural immunity to 
certain microbes that are common in developing countries. Is 
that an issue, and do you foresee that certain viruses or 
bacteria or parasites would pose particular problems to the 
American consumer because we have not tended to be exposed to 
them prior to the import of these fruit and vegetables?
    Ms. Camire. Yes. There are certain ones, like hepatitis, 
that you can develop immunity to certain viruses and some kinds 
of bacteria. But the parasites, like Cyclospora, 
Cryptosporidium, and Giardia, we are not sure yet. So it is 
possible once someone is exposed, they can develop immunity, 
but most Americans have not been exposed to it, other than 
these imported foods, unless they have traveled extensively. So 
as we import from more and more exotic locations, the 
possibility that Americans will be exposed to more exotic 
diseases is more likely.
    Senator Collins. You mentioned in your testimony quite 
explicitly that some of the symptoms associated with foodborne 
illnesses are very serious. A lot of us tend to think of 
foodborne illnesses as being a temporary bout, perhaps, of 
nausea or diarrhea, but something that goes away. But are there 
some chronic illnesses that have been associated with foodborne 
pathogens?
    Ms. Camire. Yes, there are. There are a number of bacteria 
that have been associated with chronic health problems. 
Yersinia, shigella, salmonella, Campylobacter, and E. coli can 
lead to arthritis. Yersinia and giardia can cause a form of 
autoimmune thyroid disease. E. coli 0157:H7, streptococcus, and 
shigella can lead to permanent kidney damage. Toxoplasma, which 
many people associate with having cats and pregnancy, will 
cause birth defects, but can be also transmitted by food. And 
worm parasites, which is something no one really likes to think 
about, can cause permanent neurological damage. The worms, you 
eat them and they migrate to your brain. Actually, in some 
countries, that is the major form or cause of mental problems.
    Senator Collins. You have mentioned also that the people in 
the United States who are going to be most vulnerable are the 
very young, people with compromised immune systems, such as 
someone who has gone through chemotherapy or an AIDS patient, 
and also the elderly. Are there any particular precautions that 
those vulnerable populations could take?
    Ms. Camire. I think it would be helpful for them to be 
warned to be sure to wash the food thoroughly, to cook it if at 
all possible, because cooking will reduce the risk for most of 
these pathogens. But encouraging people to eat healthy foods, 
fresh fruit and vegetables and fresh salads, and there is not 
too much you can do to a fresh salad to really reduce the risk 
other than rinsing it. So that is not help. But to let their 
caregivers know, perhaps, to substitute canned fruit instead of 
fresh fruit would reduce the risk.
    Senator Collins. One final question for you. As we are 
increasing our reliance on imported fruit and vegetables, as a 
scientist, do you predict that we are going to see more 
outbreaks of foodborne illnesses?
    Ms. Camire. I do. I think we will be seeing more different 
types of species coming into our food supply.
    Senator Collins. Thank you. Senator Glenn.
    Senator Glenn. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I have a couple 
of questions and then I will turn the rest of my time over to 
Senator Durbin. I know he has a long list of questions.
    I want to know how people can protect themselves against 
this. If you eat fruit or vegetables, let us say there is 
nothing contaminated on the outside, but let us say the fruit 
or vegetable grew in a contaminated soil. Just nature protects 
us, does it not?
    Ms. Camire. Yes.
    Senator Glenn. The interior of that, the moisture inside, 
will be OK. In other words, if I have an orange that was grown 
in contaminated soil and I peel it and I do not get some of the 
contamination on with my hands, that fruit inside is OK even 
though it was grown in contaminated soil, right?
    Ms. Camire. Correct.
    Senator Glenn. Well, then, things that we eat in their 
entirety, though, with the shell or whatever on it, like 
lettuce, or the exterior of it that we eat, can you protect 
yourself to some extent by putting this not only in water but a 
tiny amount of Clorox or something like that in to wash it? Can 
we do that with cantaloupes and melons and all sorts of things 
to kill whatever is on the outside? Just for people that may be 
watching this or possibly somebody who might even read the 
hearing transcript someday, what do they do? What is the ratio 
that they can use?
    Ms. Camire. I have not done it lately, but I believe it is 
about a tablespoon in two gallons of Clorox. It is not a lot. 
One of the concerns, however, chlorine is very effective in 
killing microorganisms, but there has been a lot of concern 
that the chlorine will also produce carcinogenic compounds, so 
it is sort of a no-win situation. But at this point, I would 
say that the risk of the microbes is worse than the risk from 
the carcinogenic compounds.
    Senator Glenn. But could people use that and then wash the 
chlorine off in fresh tap water? How long do you have to leave 
it in to kill these little bugs?
    Ms. Camire. Oh, at least 10 minutes.
    Senator Glenn. Ten minutes?
    Ms. Camire. Commercial enterprises in this country do that 
for the fresh salads.
    Senator Glenn. Wash them well in about a tablespoon or two 
of chlorine per two gallons of water, about what you would fill 
up a sink with, I guess, put a couple tablespoons of Clorox in 
and wash them or let them sit in there for 10 minutes or so and 
then wash them off with tap water----
    Ms. Camire. Plus it may not taste as good.
    Senator Glenn [continuing]. Because I do not think you want 
to drink chlorine. Would that be something people could use to 
protect themselves?
    Ms. Camire. Yes, and I think more and more people are, and 
to use a scrub brush will do a lot, because you have to 
physically remove them. But even a mild detergent, because a 
detergent makes it slippery and the bacteria cannot stick as 
well.
    Senator Glenn. Is there anything besides Clorox or 
something like that? Is there any other thing as good in this 
regard?
    Ms. Camire. No. We have not found anything yet. Now, 
natural preservatives, salad dressings and fruit and jams will 
stay is because bacteria do not survive well in acid 
conditions. Unfortunately, the bacteria are mutating and they 
are becoming resistant to acid, becoming resistant to salt, 
they are becoming resistant to many of the anti-microbial 
compounds we put in to preserve foods. So we are running out of 
options.
    Senator Glenn. I think my wife, Annie, is going to have to 
get a new bottle of Clorox because we are going to start using 
that at home, I think. [Laughter.]
    I have just one other question. How does inspection of 
domestic products differ from inspection of imported products? 
Is there a major difference in the way they are inspected, or 
is it that we just do not do enough of them? Are they basically 
the same inspection?
    Ms. Camire. I am not really an expert on the inspection 
process, but I believe they are very similar. But the problem 
is, you cannot see these things on the food.
    Senator Glenn. Are there any other things we can do at 
home? The fruit on display this morning looks great. I wanted 
to get a spoon and dig into this a little while ago and I 
looked over here----
    Senator Collins. We would be glad to give them to you.
    Senator Glenn. I do not think I will. We may want FDA to 
check them out first before we do that. That would have been a 
neat deal, too, to have FDA see which ones are contaminated 
here.
    Is there anything else we can do at home besides just 
scrubbing or Clorox or things that protect us at home, because 
we are not going to stop eating these things.
    Ms. Camire. I think to make sure that you are keeping it 
cold, because cold will slow down the growth of most of these 
microorganisms and that will help it, not to go to the farm 
stand and buy it and then keep it in the car while you do your 
other errands, because that allows them to grow even faster.
    Senator Glenn. Thank you. I yield the rest of my time to 
Senator Durbin.
    Senator Durbin. I yield to Senator Levin.
    Senator Levin. Thank you both. I have a bill coming up on 
the floor that I have to manage. Thank you.
    The Food and Drug Administration, as I understand it, does 
not have authority for these kinds of fruit and vegetables 
coming from countries to say they cannot come into the United 
States unless those countries have equivalent protections to 
the United States. Our Agriculture Department does have that 
authority relative to meats, but the FDA does not have that 
authority relative to fruit and vegetables.
    Now, we have a whole list of countries here on the 
Chairman's list \1\ and my question is this. Is there any 
reason why we, as a Congress, should not give to FDA the same 
authority to stop products from coming in, vegetables and 
fruit, which come from countries that do not have equivalent 
protections to ours that our Agriculture Department has 
relative to meat coming in? Should we not do that?
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    Ms. Camire. We should give them that authority. Obviously, 
we have not had any outbreaks of foodborne illness recently 
traced back to imported meats or poultry.
    Senator Glenn. So is it working with meats and we ought to 
do the same thing with other imported food products?
    Ms. Camire. It is working with those products.
    Senator Glenn. I think so. Thank you very much, and thank 
you, Madam Chairman.
    Senator Collins. I am going to turn to----
    Senator Domenici. That is fine. I was here late. Go ahead.
    Senator Collins. Senator Durbin.
    Senator Durbin. Thank you very much.
    Dr. Camire, you have given us a lot of food for thought. 
[Laughter.]
    So we should scrub our watermelons, run our salads through 
a bleach process, and put the cantaloupes in the washer? I 
understand that we have to take it seriously, it is a serious 
subject, but it is quite a departure from what people 
ordinarily do in their homes and kitchens, and I take it that 
since this is your field, that this is a practice that you 
recommend?
    Ms. Camire. Yes. When I was in school, we never even 
considered these as being a problem. It was not a problem. You 
worried about meat, dairy products and eggs being sources of 
foodborne illness, not fruit and vegetables. So we are going to 
have to reeducate consumers on how to protect themselves. But I 
think a more effective thing is to make sure that we are 
getting safer food into the system.
    Senator Durbin. You have discussed a lot of--and forgive 
me, I am a liberal arts major, so hang with me for a minute 
here--you have discussed a lot of bacteriological-related 
illness, and there are other elements that are part of this. 
For instance, when I visited with the Food and Drug 
Administration, one of the things that they were looking for 
was the improper application of agricultural chemicals, the 
drift of pesticides and insecticides and other things from 
perhaps an apple orchard to strawberries or watermelons and the 
like, and that presents a whole different range of challenges, 
does it not?
    Ms. Camire. Yes, it does.
    Senator Durbin. Let me try to put this in a context, 
though. Let me give you a hypothetical. Let us assume for a 
minute that we took anything from this table, the grapes or 
whatever it happened to be, and brought it to you in your 
laboratory and said, is there anything wrong with this? Tell 
me, just in summary, how long would it take you to establish 
and come back to me and say, there is nothing wrong with it. We 
have tested it. We have tried everything we can think of that 
might be a danger to you as a consumer. How long would it take 
you to go through the procedures to reach that conclusion?
    Ms. Camire. First of all, we could not guarantee complete 
safety, but to look for specific pathogens in pesticides would 
take at least a week.
    Senator Durbin. So a week, but----
    Ms. Camire. By then, it would be spoiled.
    Senator Durbin. By then, it would be spoiled, but we would 
have to give you a clue going in. We would have to say, we 
suspect that there is something on these grapes that may be 
related to one of the things you mentioned, whatever it 
happened to be, and then you have a clue, and then, in the 
course of a week, you will be able to test it and report back 
to us as to whether or not it might pose a danger or not, is 
that correct?
    Ms. Camire. That is correct, and there is also no test 
available for many of the foodborne pathogens yet.
    Senator Durbin. So you need a clue, there are no tests 
available for some of the problems, and it would take you a 
week to do it if we had given you that clue. Now, what if you 
do not have a clue? What if you were an FDA lab and we have 
just handed you these grapes and said, are these safe to sell 
in America? How long would it take you to consider all the 
possibilities that might be dangerous to American consumers?
    Ms. Camire. In reality, it might take several weeks, 
because with the bacterial testing, you sort of grow the 
bacteria and then try to spread out and see what is in there, 
and some of these things just do not grow very well in the 
conditions that we have traditionally used for microbiology.
    Senator Durbin. So when we are dealing with perishable food 
and we want to be completely safe, the honest answer is, you 
cannot be completely safe.
    Ms. Camire. Correct.
    Senator Durbin. The second question I have to ask you is, 
what kind of equipment is necessary for you to go through this 
testing process? Again, forgive me for not remembering it, but 
when I went to Los Angeles to the FDA lab, after they have 
broken down the sample and ran it through this chemical test, 
they had a range of different chemicals they were looking for 
to see if chemicals had been improperly applied, and there was 
some sort of spectrograph, does that sound right?
    Ms. Camire. Yes.
    Senator Durbin. I cannot believe I remembered that. There 
was a spectrograph, and they would look for this range of 
chemicals to see. Now, give me an idea of the equipment 
necessary in a laboratory to test for the different illnesses 
and problems which you have told us about.
    Ms. Camire. For the microorganisms, it is not really 
sophisticated equipment. It is more traditional incubators and 
heaters, more supplies more than anything else. But then you 
also have to take steps to make sure that the staff do not get 
contaminated and you have to have special hoods that will keep 
the bacteria from blowing back. It is more protecting the staff 
than anything else.
    But I would like to make a point. My concern right now, 
because we do a lot of pesticide testing in my department, 
pesticides, we are really not sure how dangerous they are. They 
may kill you in 20 years. Some of these illnesses will kill you 
in 2 days.
    Senator Durbin. Could you give me some kind of an estimate 
of what a well-equipped laboratory might cost today to be 
prepared to test fruit and vegetables and other food products 
that are coming in so that you could say with some reasonable 
scientific certainty that products are safe for consumers? What 
are we talking about, a range, if you will? I am not going to 
hold you to an exact figure.
    Ms. Camire. I would say easily a half million dollars to a 
million dollars.
    Senator Durbin. And, of course, a lot of personnel who 
would also be involved.
    Ms. Camire. Yes.
    Senator Durbin. How many people would work in a lab like 
that usually?
    Ms. Camire. I would say at least a dozen, and the problem 
is, we are not training scientists fast enough to meet the 
demand.
    Senator Durbin. The reason I raise that question in that 
context is to give some indication of the challenge that has 
been placed before us as a Nation and whether we can meet it. I 
think from your testimony there is a serious question as to 
whether we can meet this challenge. If Americans want to 
continue to eat a variety of fruit and vegetables, many of them 
exotic and not indigenous to the United States--and, I might 
add parenthetically, we cannot assume everything grown in the 
United States is safe, but certainly those imported have raised 
a lot of concern--then you have kind of put it in a very 
important context for us.
    There is a limit to what science can tell us. There is a 
limit to the period of time that science can give us the 
information and it be of any value while the fruit and 
vegetable is perishing. It is an expensive investment in terms 
of equipment and people for us to do this, and we are taking it 
beyond the context of a bunch of grapes that I have just handed 
you and putting it in the context of literally millions of 
shipments of imported fruit and vegetables coming into the 
United States.
    I asked the staff to come up with some information about 
how Congress has been funding the activities here for food 
safety at the Food and Drug Administration. There is a line 
missing from the graph over there that would be interesting,\1\ 
and that is the Congress' funding of inspectors for food safety 
during the same period of time. We have seen a dramatic 
increase in imports. We have seen a dramatic decline in 
inspections. We would also see that during this same period of 
time, the number of people that Congress has paid for to do 
this job has basically been flat-lined, that we have not seen 
any type of increase in personnel. I probably would see the 
same thing holds true when it comes to equipment in these 
laboratories.
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    So if we are serious about this and if we really want to 
give the consumers some kind of assurance, then we are going to 
have to make an investment to make that happen in terms of 
well-trained people, and in terms of equipment. I do not know 
if we are prepared to do that in the context of a balanced 
budget and tax breaks and whatever else we decide to spend our 
money on. I am not sure we are prepared to do that.
    But I thank you for your testimony. It has been very 
valuable.
    Senator Glenn. If you would just yield for one question.
    Senator Durbin. I would be happy to yield.
    Senator Glenn. I have just one question. You mentioned the 
pesticides. Will the chlorine rinse neutralize those 
pesticides, because they can have a bad impact on their own. 
That would be a very much more complex chemical reaction, I 
guess, with the pesticides.
    Ms. Camire. No. In fact, if anything, it would probably be 
the chlorine would make the pesticides worse.
    Senator Glenn. The what? Would you say that again?
    Ms. Camire. The chlorine would make the pesticides worse, 
if anything. But no, there is not too much we can do about 
neutralizing pesticides on the foods.
    Senator Glenn. Do you want me to tell Annie to cancel that 
buy on the chlorine? [Laughter.]
    You gave me a solution, then took it away.
    Ms. Camire. In the trade-off, those fruit and vegetables 
contain many phytochemicals that prevent cancer. So the 
chemicals in the foods themselves may protect against the 
pesticides, but there is nothing in the food to protect against 
pathogens.
    Senator Glenn. Thank you.
    Senator Durbin. Thank you.
    Madam Chairman, one last thing I would like to point out 
for the record, I asked for a history of the FTEs, the full 
time equivalent employees, at the Food and Drug Administration 
in the Food Safety Resources Section based on the amount of 
money appropriated by Congress. In 1993, there were 2,636. If 
you put it on this chart,\1\ you can get an idea. During the 
period of time when the FTEs decreased from 2,636 in 1993 to 
2,154 in 1997, food imports basically doubled. That is an 18 
percent decline in the people doing the inspecting while the 
imports doubled. So if we are going to meet this obligation, it 
is going to be a substantial one, and I am glad that the 
Chairman of the Budget Committee is here to hear that. 
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    Senator Collins. Senator Domenici, that is your cue.
    Senator Domenici. Yes. I wanted to come this morning to 
congratulate you, Madam Chairperson, for taking up this issue 
last June. Before anybody else was involved, you saw a problem, 
and I think before you are finished, something very 
constructive will come of this. My understanding is you started 
being concerned when we had the problem with Mexican 
strawberries, is that not correct?
    Senator Collins. That is correct.
    Senator Domenici. That was May or June of last year. I 
commend you for that.
    For me, it is just a welcome reprieve to come down here and 
be party to a hearing like this. Where I have been the last few 
days, I wish on no one. [Laughter.]
    Senator Domenici [continuing]. Trying to negotiate an ISTEA 
bill with the House with 3,000 special projects that they want. 
Excuse me. I did not know the TVs were on here.
    Senator Durbin. Now you are in trouble. [Laughter.]
    Senator Domenici. Well, I have told them that, too, that I 
did not think that was a very good way to do business, but I 
might not win on that.
    Let me ask, what makes a particular food product a high 
risk food?
    Ms. Camire. One that is handled a lot, like berries, that 
is hand picked. One that you cannot rinse very well, like a 
raspberry is very soft, so you could not scrub it, whereas an 
orange, you could scrub very well. And shellfish are a 
particular problem. I would not say the fin fish and crabs and 
things were quite as big a problem as the shellfish in terms of 
seafood. But certain crops, things that are low to the ground, 
it is easier for them to be contaminated with feces than 
bananas up in a tree.
    Senator Domenici. I think you testified earlier that the 
country of origin labeling is not a food safety issue, in your 
opinion.
    Ms. Camire. No. I believe it is more of a consumer 
information. Many people want to buy American and not everybody 
realizes that we cannot produce those crops year around. We 
think California can do everything for us. But I do not think 
that necessarily there has been any indication to show that any 
of these outbreaks have been traced back, that every farm in 
that country has had that disease on its produce. It has been 
with respect to a few farms in each country. Therefore, knowing 
which country it is from, there may be farms that are following 
very good practices, but they get penalized as well as the bad 
farmers.
    Senator Domenici. Thank you very much. I have no further 
questions.
    Might I say to you, Dr. Camire, I am very pleased to hear 
you testify today and to note that you have chosen the 
profession you have chosen. We have an academic system in 
America that produces marvels in terms of what it excites 
people to do, and clearly, we need more people like you. I 
mean, you are off in your laboratory system, but you are able 
to share some very important information from time to time with 
your national policy makers. I am sure you do a lot of other 
good research and I commend you for that.
    Ms. Camire. Thank you very much.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Senator Domenici. We 
appreciate your tearing yourself away from ISTEA negotiations 
to join us. Feel free to stay as long as you can.
    Senator Domenici. Thank you. Thank you.
    Senator Collins. Senator Akaka, welcome.

               OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR AKAKA

    Senator Akaka. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. I want 
to congratulate you and commend you for having this hearing, 
because it is so important to the health and welfare of the 
people of our country. I also want to commend your staff for 
providing such good material for us. I know, too, that this 
will result in some changes that will help the people of our 
country.
    Dr. Camire, I am sorry I did not hear all of your 
statement, but I was interested very much in this subject. I 
know Senator Durbin would be, too, because he has been to 
Hawaii, where we grow papayas, mangos, and pineapples, as well. 
Over the years, the latter years, Hawaii has not been able to 
compete because of the costs of labor, but we always feel that 
our quality is good. We are part of the United States, so we 
come under all the laws and policies that dictates how you 
should treat fruit and vegetables. So whatever comes from 
Hawaii, I guess I would say, would be safe.
    We have always been concerned about how foreign countries 
produce their fruit and vegetables and how they send it in to 
us. One concern that I have, and I think you mentioned it, was 
when it does come from a foreign country and we think it has 
been treated with pesticides, how do we or the people who 
handle food handle this? Do they just put it on a plate and 
send it to you to eat, or do they treat it somehow? Do they use 
chlorine? And who does this? Do the restaurants, the hotels, 
use a system of cleaning it up before it is served?
    Ms. Camire. It varies tremendously. Some of the importers 
will do some cleaning. Some of the processors will do some 
cleaning. But none is mandated, so it could come directly from 
the field in another country, directly to the grocery store and 
directly home to your kitchen table without any further 
treatment.
    Senator Akaka. I see. If they did treat it, one of the 
treatments is to use chlorine, is that correct?
    Ms. Camire. Yes.
    Senator Akaka. Do the restaurants, do you know, use 
chlorine to wash or clean vegetables?
    Ms. Camire. Some do, more and more. There is a concern 
about the taste, but they do use it. I think, unfortunately, a 
lot of people rely on tap water having enough chlorine and it 
does not have enough. But it is done to some extent in 
restaurants, though I do not think they do that industry-wide 
as a practice.
    Senator Akaka. If they do use chlorine, would there be any 
risk to the diners if they use chlorine to clean vegetables 
that are used in salads?
    Ms. Camire. There is a concern in California and in Europe 
that chlorine does produce compounds that are carcinogenic. 
But, as I say, I am looking at immediate risk versus a long-
term possible risk, and in terms of the scientific-based risk 
assessment, I think it is more important to kill the 
microorganisms. I choose my poison.
    Senator Akaka. We are very, very concerned about this and 
that is why I commend the Chairlady here for having this 
hearing. It may be necessary that we should have policies or 
regulations that would require that vegetables or fruit that 
come from foreign sources can be cleaned before they are placed 
on the plate for diners. Thank you very much.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Senator.
    Thank you very much, Doctor. We really appreciate you 
sharing your expertise with us today. Especially given your 
laryngitis, we very much appreciate your willingness to strain 
your voice in order to educate not only us but the American 
public.
    I would now like to call forward our second witness this 
morning. He is Robert E. Robertson, who is the Associate 
Director of Food and Agriculture Issues at the U.S. General 
Accounting Office. Accompanying Mr. Robertson is Keith Oleson, 
who is also from the U.S. General Accounting Office.
    Mr. Robertson has been examining the issue of food safety 
for at least 10 years. Today, he will present the results of 
the GAO's study on the adequacy of Federal efforts to ensure 
the safety of food imports.
    I want to begin by complimenting Mr. Robertson and your 
staff for your excellent report. It was extremely well 
researched and we appreciate the amount of work that you have 
done in this area.
    As I have explained, pursuant to Rule 6, all the 
Subcommittee witnesses do need to be sworn in, so I would ask 
that you stand and raise your right hand.
    Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give to 
the Subcommittee is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but 
the truth, so help you, God?
    Mr. Robertson. I do.
    Mr. Oleson. I do.
    Senator Collins. Thank you. You may proceed, Mr. Robertson.

 TESTIMONY OF ROBERT E. ROBERTSON,\1\ ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR, FOOD 
    AND AGRICULTURE ISSUES, U.S. GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE; 
ACCOMPANIED BY KEITH OLSON, SAN FRANCISCO REGIONAL OFFICE, U.S. 
                   GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE

    Mr. Robertson. Thank you, Madam Chair, Senator Durbin, and 
Senator Akaka. I am happy to be here this morning to talk about 
our work on imported food safety.
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    I will just reintroduce Keith Oleson. He is with our San 
Francisco Regional Office. He has been involved with food 
safety issues for years and he is intimately involved with the 
work that we have just completed. Senator Durbin, like you, he 
has accompanied inspectors and knows of what he speaks.
    I will go ahead and summarize my statement and ask that the 
full statement be put in the record.
    Senator Collins. It will be put in the record. Thank you.
    Mr. Robertson. Madam Chair, because imported foods play an 
increasingly significant role in the Nation's food supply, it 
comes as no surprise that the safety of the food consumed in 
the United States is in part dependent upon the safety of these 
imported foods. My comments this morning will highlight 
findings from our recent report,\2\ which concludes that our 
system for keeping unsafe imported food from entering the 
United States has a number of weaknesses which we think can and 
should be addressed.
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    Let me begin by noting that there are two Federal agencies 
that are primarily responsible for the safety of imported 
foods. USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service, which I will 
be referring to from this point on as FSIS, is responsible for 
the safety of meat, poultry, and some egg products, and the 
Food and Drug Administration is responsible for all other 
foods. These two agencies coordinate their efforts with the 
Customs Service and Centers for Disease Control.
    Our recently completed review of FSIS' and FDA's efforts to 
ensure the safety of imported food highlighted weaknesses in 
three basic areas. First, FDA lacks the authority to require 
that countries exporting foods into the United States have food 
safety systems that are equivalent to ours. This is an 
authority that FSIS has and uses to share the burden of 
ensuring safe foods with exporting countries. Without such 
authority, FDA relies almost exclusively on its port-of-entry 
inspections to identify unsafe foods and stop them from 
entering our food supply. As was pointed out earlier, 
inspections in 1997 accounted for less than 2 percent of the 
shipments coming into the country.
    The second area of weakness that we identified involves 
ineffective targeting of port-of-entry inspections. More 
specifically, we found that FSIS and FDA could make more 
effective and efficient use of port-of-entry inspection 
resources by better targeting shipments for inspections that 
posed the highest food safety risk.
    To truly appreciate why it is so important that FDA and 
FSIS deploy their inspection resources with great care, you 
only need to look at the statistics on the number of shipments 
arriving at U.S. ports. Last year, for example, FDA was 
responsible for determining which of 2.7 million shipments 
should be inspected, while FSIS was responsible for making 
similar decisions on about 118,000 shipments.
    We found that both agencies could improve decisions on 
which shipments to inspect by better using available health 
risk information. For example, to help its inspectors make 
informed decisions, FDA has databases containing information 
on, among other things, imported foods that have histories of 
safety violations and the results of FDA laboratory tests 
conducted on inspected foods. Unfortunately, these systems are 
not well integrated and they are awkward to use. As a result, 
inspectors often do not use the information and instead rely on 
their own memory and their personal judgment.
    In addition to making better use of existing health risk 
data, FDA could further improve its inspection targeting by 
improving its guidance to inspectors concerning which shipments 
to select for inspection and by taking enforcement action when 
importers are found to inaccurately describe the contents of 
their shipment.
    The third and final area of weakness that we found related 
to the lack of control that FDA and Customs have over goods 
arriving at U.S. ports. Weaknesses in these controls in some 
cases allows unsafe products to enter the Nation's food supply. 
Under current procedures, importers are allowed to retain 
control over shipments before they are released. If importers 
move shipments into domestic commerce without an FDA release, 
and what I mean here is before FDA inspects them or when FDA 
laboratory tests reveal that the products do not meet U.S. 
standards, FDA has no effective means of requiring importers to 
return the shipments for inspection, destruction, or reexport.
    For example, in Operation Bad Apple, which took place in 
San Francisco last year, Customs officials identified 23 
weaknesses in the controls over imported shipments. In this 
investigation, Customs found that about 40 percent of imported 
foods determined to violate U.S. standards were never 
redelivered to Customs for destruction or export. Additionally, 
for about half of those that were redelivered, other products 
were substituted for the original product. Now, what this means 
is about 70 percent of the products that were ordered returned 
because they were unsafe are presumably in commerce.
    We also found other weaknesses in the controls over 
imported shipments beyond those identified in Operation Bad 
Apple. For example, when FDA requires an importer to provide 
evidence that a suspect shipment is safe, the agency allows the 
importer to select the laboratory that picks the samples and 
conducts the tests. This has raised concerns over whether or 
not some importers are able to falsify test results in order to 
obtain FDA's approval to release foods into commerce.
    Finally, FDA's and Custom's principal deterrent for 
ensuring that importers comply with U.S. requirements, and that 
is the collection of damages from violators, is uneven and 
uncertain. For example, in 1997, Customs in Miami assessed 
damages for only about 25 percent of the identified cases 
involving improper distribution of food products.
    Madam Chair, that is, in a nutshell, a summary of our past 
work. If I am given a couple more minutes, I can run through 
the two charts that we have here to give you a flavor of the 
scrutiny that shipments coming into the United States 
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    Senator Collins. That would be helpful. Please proceed.
    Mr. Robertson. Let us start with FDA, because that is a 
little more complicated. Starting at the top of the chart, you 
will see that there is about, as was mentioned earlier, 2.7 
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    If you go down to the next level, you see that about 56 
percent of these 2.7 million entries were automatically 
released by a Customs Service computer after that computer 
basically analyzed information on these shipments.
    If you move down to the next level, you will see that an 
additional 42 percent of these entries were released after an 
on-screen review by an FDA inspector.
    Senator Collins. If I could just interrupt you to clarify, 
so 56 percent were just automatically released without a visual 
inspection or without any kind of review at all?
    Mr. Robertson. There was basically a review by the Customs 
Service computer on information pertaining to that shipment, 
but there was no visual review.
    Senator Collins. And that contrasts to what you are going 
to tell us with FSIS, where there is a visual review of every 
shipment.
    Mr. Robertson. Yes.
    Senator Collins. Please proceed.
    Mr. Robertson. Actually, this is a good time to pause, 
because even after the on-screen review by the FDA inspector, 
what we are talking about is a total of, if my math is correct, 
98 percent of the entries have been released without visually 
inspecting them by anybody. These are all released through 
computer reviews, through document review, that type of thing.
    So now we are down to the final 2 percent on the very 
bottom of the chart, 1.7 percent basically were physically 
inspected or had some type of laboratory analysis performed on 
them by FDA, and you will notice there is another block on the 
bottom that talks about entries detained automatically because 
of prior violations. This 0.3 percent also had some laboratory 
analysis performed, but it was not performed by FDA. It was 
performed by private laboratories that were selected by the 
importers.
    So that is a quick overview of what takes place in the FDA 
inspection system.
    If we move to the USDA or FSIS system, it is a little 
simpler to run through.\1\ As I said earlier, in 1997, they had 
roughly 118,000 food entries coming across the border, and 
remember that all of these entries came from countries whose 
food safety systems were certified as equivalent to ours.
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    Now, the thing to remember here, as you pointed out 
earlier, is 100 percent of these entries at least were visually 
inspected by USDA inspectors for transportation damage, 
labeling problems, that type of thing.
    After that initial examination, basically, the information 
on those entries is run through a USDA computer, which 
automatically selects which shipments need to be sampled, and 
as the chart shows, about 80 percent of the shipments are 
released and 20 percent are analyzed either by lab or have some 
further inspection by a USDA inspector.
    The bottom line is of the total 118,000 or so shipments 
that came in in 1987, about 5 percent were rejected. So again, 
that is just a quick summary of the two processes and the 
differences in the two processes.
    With that, we will be happy to answer questions.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Mr. Robertson. Again, 
I want to commend GAO for its excellent work in this area.
    It seems to me that you have identified two issues for us 
to think about. The first is whether the FDA needs an expansion 
of its legal authority in order to have the same sort of 
equivalency system that helps protect us in the case of 
imported meat, poultry, and egg products, that the FSIS has. 
But the second issue is whether the FDA, to a greater extent, 
but both agencies are targeting their resources effectively and 
making the most effective use of what they have now. Is that 
correct?
    Mr. Robertson. That is correct.
    Senator Collins. In your review, did you find a problem 
with the FDA not focusing its resources on those imports that 
posed the greatest health risks?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes. I mean, we found problems, frankly, 
with the way that both FDA and USDA distributed their 
inspection resources at the ports of entry. From an FDA 
perspective, the problems we found were that FDA did not give 
its inspectors adequate guidance to help them select which 
shipments they should be inspecting and which shipments they 
should not be inspecting.
    We also found that the tools that were available to 
inspectors to help guide their decisions on what shipments to 
inspect left a lot to be desired. What I am talking about here 
is that these inspectors rely in part on several information 
systems to help them make their selections and these 
information systems were not well integrated. As a result, they 
were difficult to use by the inspectors, and some inspectors, 
as I said earlier, did not use them.
    The third area of problems that we found in regard to the 
way FDA was doing business at the port-of-entry inspections had 
to do with their inability or their problems with assuring the 
accuracy of information that importers submitted on shipments 
that were coming through the border. Now, the reason that this 
is important that this information be accurate is that it is 
the information that USDA relies on to choose the shipments to 
inspect.
    So from an FDA perspective, those were the key problems we 
found in regard to the way they were allocating their 
resources.
    Senator Collins. I am very alarmed by the results of 
Operation Bad Apple, where in this select case, some 70 percent 
of the shipments that had been pulled by the FDA as being 
suspect nonetheless made its way to the American marketplace. 
Is that an accurate description of what happened?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes, that is accurate.
    Senator Collins. How can that happen? Walk us through what 
are the weaknesses that would allow tainted imported food 
products, that have been targeted by FDA--this is a case where 
they have actually caught it, despite the low inspection rate, 
despite the clearing that is done automatically--and yet 70 
percent of the shipment found its way to the American 
marketplace anyway. How can that happen? What are the 
weaknesses in the current system that allow that?
    Mr. Robertson. Under the current system, basically, 
importers of FDA-regulated goods retain control over their 
shipments as the shipments come in and go through the border 
crossings. They are supposed to----
    Senator Collins. And if I could just interrupt, that is in 
contrast to what FSIS does, is that correct, where in the case 
of the Department of Agriculture, if there is a suspect 
shipment, the Department of Agriculture takes custody of it.
    Mr. Robertson. Right.
    Senator Collins. But in FDA's case, the importer retains 
custody?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes. Maybe the easiest way to approach this 
is just to talk about the two or three biggest differences 
between the way USDA operates its system and the way that FDA 
operates its system.
    As you correctly pointed out, when a shipment comes in for 
USDA inspection, those shipments are held in a USDA-registered 
warehouse until they are released to go across the border. From 
the FDA perspective, basically, as I said earlier, importers 
retain control over those shipments.
    A second difference in the controls between the two 
agencies' systems has to do with the fact that FDA performs all 
of its laboratory analysis, whereas, as I mentioned earlier, 
under certain circumstances--did I say FDA? I meant USDA 
performs all of its own laboratory analysis, whereas under 
certain circumstances, FDA allows importers to choose the 
laboratories where its samples are going to be analyzed.
    And a third fundamental difference between the two 
operations has to do with the control that they have over the 
goods; has to do with what happens when goods basically do not 
meet standards. In USDA's case, the goods are stamped ``Refused 
Entry,'' with the hope that they will never be confused with 
any other products. FDA does not do this.
    Senator Collins. Why does not the FDA stamp the shipment 
``Rejected,'' the way that the Department of Agriculture does? 
It seems like such a simple step that could be taken to ensure 
that rejected shipments do not get re-exported.
    Mr. Robertson. What they have told us is that they do not 
have the authority to do that.
    Senator Collins. The FDA is arguing that it does not have 
the authority to actually stamp a shipment ``Rejected''? I do 
not know whether you are an attorney or not----
    Mr. Robertson. I am not an attorney.
    Senator Collins. Does that not seem unlikely to you? Is 
that not a normal regulatory power that an agency would have?
    Mr. Robertson. All I can do is tell you the explanation 
that they gave us, which was they do not have authority to do 
that.
    Senator Collins. We will explore that with the FDA.
    So, essentially, what you are telling us is that if a 
shipment has been targeted by the FDA because there is reason 
to believe that it may be tainted, the importer controls the 
shipment, selects the sample for the laboratory analysis, 
selects the lab that is going to perform the analysis, and the 
FDA is relying completely on the integrity of the importer?
    Mr. Robertson. The only modification I would make to that 
is to make sure that when we are talking about selecting 
samples, selecting the lab, that we are talking about those 
goods that were automatically detained.
    Senator Collins. Correct.
    Mr. Robertson. Yes.
    Senator Collins. Does that not invite problems by an 
unscrupulous importer?
    Mr. Robertson. It does not protect you against problems 
that could be caused by that type of an importer.
    Senator Collins. It would also be possible for the importer 
to mis-enter into the data system what the product is and, 
thus, avoid detection that way, is that correct?
    Mr. Robertson. That is possible.
    Senator Collins. Is this system pretty easy, then, for an 
unethical importer who has tainted product to avoid detection 
altogether?
    Mr. Robertson. Let me put it this way. We went to about six 
locations and we found evidence of weaknesses in these controls 
at most of those locations. So the short answer to your 
question is, it is relatively easy.
    Senator Collins. I would like to turn to a chart that was 
in your report on page 47.\1\ It listed some of the major 
outbreaks that we have experienced in recent years. I was 
interested to note that the outbreaks that are listed are 
associated with fruit and vegetables or seafood that is under 
the jurisdiction of the FDA. Does that suggest to us, and the 
other findings in your report, that the Department of 
Agriculture's system does provide more protection to consumers 
than the FDA's process?
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    Mr. Robertson. I would suggest this, that from our 
perspective, USDA has a better approach to ensuring safety 
because it does rely in part on assuring that countries that 
are exporting foods into the United States have systems that 
are equivalent to ours, whereas FDA does not have that same 
assurance. So from that perspective, I think that the design of 
USDA's system is stronger than that of the FDA's system.
    Senator Collins. I want to turn to the issue, again, of the 
non-health-related risks of some of these foods that have been 
targeted for inspection. Your report was critical of both 
agencies for targeting its inspections based on non-health-
related risks. Could you expand on the kinds of risks? Are you 
talking about, for example, missing labels as opposed to 
tainted foods?
    Mr. Robertson. Sure. We are talking about missing labels, 
we are talking about incorrect weights, we are talking about 
mislabeled, that type of thing, more along the lines of 
economic-type considerations than health considerations.
    Senator Collins. I believe that we do need to provide more 
authority to the FDA, that we probably need to provide more 
resources, but do we not also need to expect the FDA and the 
Department of Agriculture to do a better job of targeting the 
resources that they have now if we are going to truly protect 
the American consumer?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes. That is what a good part of the focus 
of our work is, that you can make better use of your existing 
resources and deploy them more effectively along the borders.
    Senator Collins. Senator Durbin.
    Senator Durbin. Thank you very much.
    Thank you, Mr. Robertson. Let me just say the two charts 
that you presented here with FSIS and FDA,\1\ I think, make the 
case for the legislation I am pushing. It is time to put this 
all under one roof, one set of rules, eliminate the bureaucracy 
and the overlap, try to make certain that the American 
consumers know that whatever the food product is, it is going 
to be subject to a standard of inspection that is the best that 
we can do at the moment, and I think you made that point in 
your testimony.
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    But I want to walk through with you for a minute, so that I 
can understand and the record is clear, the difference between 
the FSIS, the Food Safety Inspection Service of the Department 
of Agriculture, and the Food and Drug Administration. The Food 
Safety Inspection Service, I think your report says, focuses, 
maybe not exclusively, but primarily on meat and poultry 
imports, is that correct?
    Mr. Robertson. Correct.
    Senator Durbin. And most of those meat and poultry imports 
coming into the United States are probably frozen or processed, 
is that correct?
    Mr. Robertson. Senator, you get frozen, processed, and 
fresh meat.
    Senator Durbin. There is some fresh? Do you know what 
percentage----
    Mr. Robertson. Very little poultry.
    Senator Durbin. Do you know what the percentage of fresh 
would be?
    Mr. Robertson. We could provide that for the record.
    Senator Durbin. But in the FSIS or Department of 
Agriculture approach to it, they really have three steps, as I 
understand it. One step is to have a certificate from the 
company that is exporting into the United States that they are 
adhering to certain standards in terms of processing, 
preparation, and inspection, step No. 1.
    Mr. Robertson. Right.
    Senator Durbin. Step No. 2 is that we actually send 
employees from the Department of Agriculture out to take a look 
at these plants overseas that are processing the meat and 
poultry and make sure that the exporting companies are not 
lying to us.
    Step No. 3 is FSIS will take samples of food coming in to 
find out whether it is safe. So there is a 3-step process here.
    In contrast, the FDA just does the last step. As the food 
presents itself at the border, we do an inspection.
    Now, the suggestion here on equivalency is to give to the 
FDA the same authority as FSIS. Let me walk through for a 
moment, if I can. Your GAO report said that the FSIS in a given 
year, and I think it was 1997, was able to visit 30 out of the 
37 exporting countries to the United States. I am not sure what 
that is, but let us say 80 percent. They visited 80 percent of 
the countries which had plants processing meat and poultry and 
are sending it to the United States with these certificates. 
Now, do you know how many employees FSIS uses to meet their 
responsibility?
    Mr. Robertson. I think last year, they were about 84 staff 
years.
    Senator Durbin. Eighty-four staffers for all of the things 
that I have mentioned, reviewing certificates, inspecting 
overseas, and then doing the actual processing and inspecting 
here in the United States?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes.
    Mr. Oleson. Senator, they use 12 staff years to do the 
overseas work and the rest go to the port-of-entry inspection 
operations.
    Senator Durbin. OK. Now, the Food and Drug Administration 
for its import food inspection employees, I believe, somewhere 
in the neighborhood of----
    Mr. Robertson. Total of 463 last year.
    Senator Durbin. I thought I had read on page 25 of your 
report the figure 257 staff years.
    Mr. Robertson. It is 257 inspectors and there are 463 
total. Those include laboratory analysts, that type of thing. 
So it is 257 inspectors.
    Senator Durbin. Contrasting the volume of imports between 
FSIS responsibility and FDA responsibility suggests that FDA 
has about 25 times the number of imports to deal with as the 
Department of Agriculture, is that correct?
    Mr. Robertson. Correct.
    Senator Durbin. So that would lead us to conclude, what, in 
terms of just looking at staff years? If they need 80 people in 
FSIS to do 4 percent of the work that they would do in the Food 
and Drug Administration, how many more employees would we need 
in the Food and Drug Administration to do the same things that 
the FSIS is doing today?
    Mr. Robertson. I cannot give you an estimate on that right 
now. But for the exact reasons that you have cited--because of 
the huge volume of shipments that FDA is responsible for 
assuring the safety of--it makes a lot of sense to me that, 
rather than try to catch unsafe food with whatever number of 
resources you have at the border, that you go back to the 
countries to make sure that their systems----
    Senator Durbin. I want to get to that next.
    Mr. Robertson. Oh, OK.
    Senator Durbin. I am just trying to stick with the basic 
premise here, and if the premise is FSIS with 80 employees does 
4 percent of the work that the Food and Drug Administration 
should be doing, then it suggests to me we need 2,000 employees 
in the Food and Drug Administration, assuming the FSIS is 
efficient, to do the same thing that the Department of 
Agriculture is doing with their responsibility. It is 25 times 
the number of shipments, just roughly.
    Mr. Robertson. OK, roughly.
    Senator Durbin. Now, let me add another factor. You say we 
have 400 and how many?
    Mr. Robertson. Total of 463.
    Senator Durbin. So we are talking about quadrupling the 
number of inspectors in the Food and Drug Administration to 
meet this responsibility that the FSIS has if we are doing 
equivalency, 1-for-1. Maybe it will turn out we do not need 
that many, but in the order of magnitude, that is a starting 
point, quadrupling the number of inspectors in the Food and 
Drug Administration.
    Secondly, is there not a qualitative difference in your 
inspection responsibility if you are going to a processing 
plant for meat and poultry as opposed to going to the Nation of 
Guatemala and looking at all of the fields where they plant 
crops?
    Mr. Robertson. I am not sure if I am following you, but the 
purposes of the inspections would be totally different. In 
going to Guatemala, what you would be doing if you were under 
an equivalency system is looking at the system there. You would 
be looking to see that it has the basic components that are 
necessary to assure that, in essence, the food coming out of 
there is at the same level of safety as what is coming out of 
the United States. So you are looking at the big components of 
the system. Do they have inspectors? Do they have a set of 
laws? What do the laws say? Can they enforce the laws?
    Senator Durbin. In the FSIS, they go a step beyond that, do 
they not? They actually visit the plants.
    Mr. Robertson. Yes. They do some plant sampling.
    Senator Durbin. So when Dr. Camire comes before us and says 
the origin of a lot of the contamination for fruit and 
vegetables is very, very basic as to what very poor people who 
are picking these vegetables are doing about their own hygiene 
and the fields they work in----
    Mr. Oleson. Senator, let me clarify one thing. When FSIS 
goes over to a foreign country and visits a plant, they are 
going to the processing or slaughter plant, not to the barns.
    Senator Durbin. Understood.
    Mr. Oleson. Also, they are going to basically verify that 
the country's system is working. They are not going into that 
plant to try to determine if it is sanitary and all that. They 
are doing that, but it is to ensure that the system works, not 
the individual----
    Senator Durbin. But they are also looking at the sanitary 
conditions.
    Mr. Oleson. Yes, they are.
    Senator Durbin. If they saw the system and all the papers 
were in place and took a look at this plant and it was filthy--
--
    Mr. Oleson. That is correct.
    Senator Durbin [continuing]. They are going to do a visual 
inspection. I am just trying to really compare, make sure we 
have an accurate comparison between the responsibility of the 
Department of Agriculture here and the responsibility we are 
suggesting for the Food and Drug Administration. I am saying, 
on the one hand, we are talking about a dramatic increase in 
the number of employees in this agency if we are going to give 
them equivalency and ask them to use the same standards.
    Secondly, I think it is a little different challenge, a 
discrete number of processing plants as opposed to a system of 
agriculture in a foreign country. How many countries do we 
import fruit and vegetables from?
    Mr. Robertson. We are talking in the neighborhood of, what, 
200 or so.
    Mr. Oleson. I think there are 188 countries in the world. 
FDA's records show something like 266 different countries since 
they started their automated system--or 244, excuse me. That 
number probably has some changes in names of countries and may 
be counting some territories, but it is a lot of countries.
    Senator Durbin. So let us say 200 as a rough figure, and 
FSIS looks at 37 and they manage to visit 80 percent of them. 
Now the Food and Drug Administration has the responsibility 
under our suggestion here of looking at 200 countries and 
trying to make sure they have enough people to visit them and, 
at least, at a minimum, make sure that the standards they 
purport to hold to are actually being followed.
    Let me speak for a moment about the FDA process, and you 
are going to have to update me here because I am going to tell 
you what I saw a few years back and you tell me how it has 
changed. I know it has changed in one respect.
    When the shipment of tomatoes comes to the border, the FDA 
inspector at Nogales, Arizona, would walk onto that loading 
dock and would take a sample from different parts of the truck 
and put it in a brown paper bag, mark it as to the shipper, and 
send it off to the FDA lab. Is that about what you saw when you 
visited, something like that?
    Mr. Oleson. Yes, Senator. They do not use brown paper bags 
anymore. They put them in ice packs generally to retain the 
freshness and things of that nature. And then they fly them to 
the lab instead of busing them.
    Senator Durbin. They fly them to the lab. While they are in 
the process, they punch into the computer the name of the 
shipper and the grower that they are inspecting at that spot. 
If nothing comes up to suggest that there has been a violation 
in terms of what they have sent into the United States, the 
shipment heads for the grocery store. The tomatoes are on their 
way to Joel Domenic's in Chicago and Safeways all over the 
United States while the sample is on its way to the laboratory. 
In most instances, by the time they are finished in the 
laboratory, reaching their conclusion, the product is already 
on the shelf and may have already been sold.
    Mr. Oleson. They have changed the speed in which they turn 
their lab samples around now. They try to get them back in 24 
hours. Under the conditional release which we are talking 
about, the importer is responsible for retaining control of 
that shipment until he gets a release from FDA.
    Senator Durbin. But are all shippers under a conditional 
release requirement?
    Mr. Oleson. The way it works is that, basically, we do not 
have bonded warehouses for FDA-type products, in a sense, so 
they go to the importer's warehouse. Some of the importers 
continue shipping products on if they are perishable to the 
destination, but they are supposed to be able to bring the 
products back if FDA finds they are violative.
    Senator Durbin. And in 70 percent of the cases, they do not 
get it back.
    Mr. Oleson. That is part of our problem.
    Senator Durbin. Now, let us assume that they find a 
violation. It used to be that if they found a violation and the 
shipment was already gone, the next time that particular grower 
and shipper came through, they came up on the computer and then 
a different standard was used. They were held until the 
inspection was completed. Is that still the case?
    Mr. Oleson. When they have a history of violations, they 
put them on what they call automatic detention, or detained 
without physical inspection is the correct term now. That means 
that the importer still retains control of the shipment, but he 
has to provide some evidence that that shipment is clean or 
beats the U.S. standards. That is where they go and select a 
private laboratory and the private laboratory pulls the samples 
and does the test and provides the information to FDA.
    Senator Collins. Senator Durbin, your time has expired from 
this round, but we will do another round.
    Senator Durbin. OK. Thank you.
    Senator Collins. Mr. Robertson or Mr. Oleson, I want to 
follow up on a point that Senator Durbin made. Even if we 
quadrupled the number of FDA inspectors that we have, if FDA 
continued to rely on port-of-entry inspections, if FDA 
continued to allow importers to retain custody of suspect 
shipments, if FDA still allowed the importer to select the 
samples and the lab that was going to do the work, if FDA 
continued to focus on shipments for reasons unrelated to health 
risks, even if we increased the number of inspectors by a 
factor of 4, do you believe that we would solve the problem and 
that we would have a safer food supply coming into this 
country?
    Mr. Robertson. Well, again, that is why we are saying in 
regard to FDA is the most effective use of any number of 
resources that you wind up with is to make sure that the 
countries that are exporting the products have systems, have 
safety systems that are equivalent to ours. I do not care what 
level of resources that you have. The idea is to develop a 
system that basically tries to assure that the food is safe as 
it is coming into the United States as opposed to trying to 
catch it with inspectors once it reaches the border of the 
United States.
    Mr. Oleson. If I may add to that, Senator----
    Senator Collins. Yes, Mr. Oleson?
    Mr. Oleson. Port-of-entry inspections or end product 
inspections have been widely discredited as being effective 
means to ensure that something meets the standards it is 
supposed to meet.
    Senator Collins. That was going to be my very next 
question. In your report, you used that phrase, that port-of-
entry inspections have been widely discredited. Could you give 
us some history on that? Is it just GAO----
    Mr. Robertson. No.
    Senator Collins [continuing]. Or have other groups been 
critical? Has not one of FDA's own advisory groups discredited 
its system years ago?
    Mr. Robertson. In fact, the United Nations Food and 
Agriculture Organization has been critical of it and the 
advisory group that you spoke of just a minute ago in 1991 
basically called that approach an anachronism. So it not just 
us that is saying, this is the way you should approach the 
design of the inspection system.
    Senator Collins. Mr. Oleson, do you want to add anything to 
that, based on your work?
    Mr. Oleson. I think he captured it fine there, Senator.
    Senator Collins. I want to go back to the issue of focusing 
the resources on shipments that are not related to health 
reasons or health risks. It is my understanding, if I am 
remembering your report correctly, that you found that in 
fiscal year 1996, about 86 percent of the refused shipments by 
the Department of Agriculture inspectors were not related to 
health risks, is that correct?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes, that is correct.
    Senator Collins. Most American consumers would believe that 
the inspection resources would be targeted towards health 
risks, but you found that 86 percent of the Department of 
Agriculture's refusal of shipments were not health related.
    Mr. Robertson. Right.
    Senator Collins. Is there a comparable figure for FDA?
    Mr. Robertson. I do not think FDA has figures on the 
refusal, is that correct?
    Mr. Oleson. FDA has the information for the laboratory 
tests they perform, which is actually about 0.6 of 1 percent of 
all entries are actually sent to an FDA lab for testing. There 
is about a 17 percent violation rate from those tests, but they 
do not necessarily end up in a refusal. They could be appealed 
or something may happen to allow them to continue entry. In 
addition, the 1.3 percent, that is the difference between the 
1.7 percent and the 0.6 percent, the 1.3 percent that are 
physically inspected by an FDA inspector, they do not have the 
refusal rate on that, so we do not know what their rejection 
rate is.
    Senator Collins. Is that not troubling, as well, that we do 
not have the data?
    Mr. Oleson. Yes, it is.
    Senator Collins. GAO's review found another weakness that 
we have not touched on yet and that is the system for 
penalizing importers who do not obey the law. It is my 
understanding that you took a look at the Customs Service's 
operations in Miami and found--well, why do you not tell me 
what you found when you looked at that. Mr. Oleson?
    Mr. Oleson. For the Miami district, where we were able to 
capture the information, Customs, in effect, for those improper 
distributions of refused entries, they assessed penalties on 
only 25 percent of those cases. And then when they actually 
collected damages, it resulted in about 2 percent of what they 
assessed.
    An example would be, and this is one of the extremes, but 
we have many of them, is for an incidence of swordfish which 
was distributed. The initial assessment was for $100,000, but 
the penalty that actually came out that was collected was $100. 
We have another case of snow peas. The assessment was $16,000. 
The collection was $200. They go on and on like that.
    Senator Collins. So the assessment in the first case that 
you gave us was actually $100,000 and the actual fine that was 
paid was only $100?
    Mr. Oleson. That is correct.
    Senator Collins. Why is this happening? That does not 
strike me as a very good deterrent if we are cutting fines and 
penalties to that extent.
    Mr. Robertson. We have already gone on record as saying 
that there have been problems in the deterrent value of the 
penalties in the past, and this is something, by the way, that, 
as you know, we are going to be exploring further over the next 
few months.
    Senator Collins. Does this not encourage the unethical 
importer to treat these fines as just a cost of doing business?
    Mr. Robertson. Well, it would certainly say to him or her 
that I am not going to be penalized very much if I go ahead and 
do not carry out my responsibilities.
    Senator Collins. I see that Senator Cochran and Senator 
Brownback have joined us. We welcome you and I am going to, 
instead of using the rest of my time now, turn to both of you 
for questions, and then we will go back to Senator Durbin, and 
then I may have a few concluding questions, as well. Senator 
Cochran.

              OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR COCHRAN

    Senator Cochran. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I came to 
congratulate you and the staff and the GAO for helping us 
understand what is going on in this food inspection area. We 
all have other responsibilities here in the Senate that 
coincide with this situation. I know in my case, being on the 
Agriculture Committee and also on the Appropriations Committee, 
we have undertaken to conduct oversight reviews of these 
programs, whether we are talking about the Food Safety and 
Inspection Service at the Department of Agriculture or the Food 
and Drug Administration's work under the obligations it has 
under the law.
    But what has come through to me during all of these 
experiences is that we have a hard time getting all the facts 
with just one hearing every year. For example, in the 
Appropriations Committee, usually because of all the other 
programs that we have to look at, and in the Agriculture 
Committee, when we undertake a review from time to time, we 
have limited resources. But Chairman Collins has undertaken to 
mobilize the resources of this Subcommittee with the staff and 
with GAO's assistance to really dig into this in a way that has 
never been done before, and I think that is going to be very 
revealing and helpful to us as we try to make decisions about 
how much money to allocate to various inspection activities and 
programs.
    We have a sharing of responsibilities among agencies right 
now, and sometimes it is confusing, who is responsible for 
what. Things tend to fall through the cracks under the current 
way things are organized, and I think your report points that 
out. We need to have tighter controls of management over what 
is being done, with follow-ups to be sure people pay their 
fines, for example, which we just heard about, and there are 
many other areas.
    In seafood inspection, you mentioned the swordfish. We have 
been trying to get seafood inspection laws reformed for a long 
time now and we just never can quite get a consensus of support 
here in Congress because of the various pressures from people 
who are not for it for one reason or another.
    But I think these hearings can serve a purpose there, too, 
and that is to help convince other Members of Congress that we 
need some reforms in these areas. We do not need just more 
money pumped into the things that are being done in a slipshod 
way, where they are and where there are shortcomings in the 
system. We do not just need to add more fuel to that fire. We 
need to put out the fire and we need to make some important 
reforms and you are helping us to figure out how we can do that 
and how we can do that in an effective way to help protect the 
consuming public. I think we are going to be better off for 
these hearings and I appreciate very much your conducting them 
and leading us.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Senator. Senator 
Brownback.

             OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR BROWNBACK

    Senator Brownback. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman, and 
thank you for holding the hearing. I think this is a very 
important topic and I appreciate you really leaning in and 
looking and getting a focus on this. I appreciate the witnesses 
and the report that has been done.
    I come with some background on this topic and have had some 
great concern about it. I was Agriculture Secretary in Kansas 
for 6 years. I worked in the trade field, worked on the NAFTA 
treaty with the U.S. Trade Representative's Office. One of the 
things that was always raised to us was that as you expand your 
agricultural trade, as you lower those barriers, particularly 
as you lower what was always called the non-tariff barriers, 
the sanitary, phytosanitary issues, that is good for our 
exporters but there is always a reciprocity that goes with it, 
which is that then they can import into this country and a 
number of our producers are always questioning the production 
systems that were used in other nations to produce these 
products and were they under the same EPA regulations, 
inspection regimes as what ours are.
    I missed a good portion of this hearing, but did you find 
substantial differences in inspection regimes in these 
countries coming into ours?
    Mr. Robertson. The scope of our work this past time around 
did not include looking at other countries' inspection systems.
    Senator Brownback. Would you advise us to go further and 
look at that, as well?
    Mr. Robertson. Well, one of our recommendations, basically, 
is that from an FDA perspective, that FDA be given authority to 
require that countries that are exporting food to us have 
systems that are equivalent to ours, food safety systems that 
are equivalent to ours.
    Senator Brownback. That is already required under a lot of 
the trade negotiated treaties, so if it is not in place, we 
already have footing to pursue something of that nature. I 
think we have to keep much more on top of this. It has been a 
legitimate issue raised for some period of time and we need to 
do something about that.
    One thing I would like to ask you about, in your report, 
you state that there is up to 9,100 deaths occurring each year 
because of foodborne illnesses.
    Mr. Robertson. That is estimated, yes.
    Senator Brownback. Estimated? That seems extraordinarily 
high. Could you explain the methodology you used to obtain that 
number?
    Mr. Robertson. Basically, it is not our methodology. That 
comes out of some work we did a couple of years ago, and 
basically, in that work, what we did is reviewed a number of 
studies that tried to get a handle on the impact of foodborne 
illnesses. What that study did is basically identified the 
research that had been done and presented the research in our 
report. So that 9,100 figure was from some of the research that 
we uncovered doing work for that report. It was not our 
estimate.
    Senator Brownback. So that is for all food-associated 
foodborne illnesses----
    Mr. Robertson. Right.
    Senator Brownback [continuing]. Whether they come from 
imported products--I mean, you cannot really comment on the 
methodology of that?
    Mr. Robertson. No. We do talk about where the figures came 
from in that report. We will just leave a copy of the report 
with you.
    Senator Brownback. OK. I appreciate that, and Madam 
Chairman, I appreciate your hearings. I do think we owe it, 
obviously, to the consumers to have a safe food supply. I think 
we also owe it to producers that they be competing against 
equivalent-based systems in other countries and that we need to 
look at that aggressively, as well. While this study did not 
cover that area, they are supposed to be equivalent-based 
systems.
    It is supposed to be on environmental and on food safety 
inspection systems and I hope we can pursue and push that, that 
as we push these fines being implemented at the level that they 
are supposed to be, we also push the inspection system to go 
in-country to make sure that these nations that are producing 
products for our people are doing it under the same basis that 
our producers have to go under, and thanks for holding the 
hearing.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Senator. Both you and Senator 
Cochran have a great deal of expertise in the agricultural 
field and I know that your participation is going to be really 
helpful to us as we go forward in this area. Senator Durbin.
    Senator Durbin. Thanks, Madam Chairman. I have one last 
area of questioning. I will try to make it as brief as I can, 
and it is about the laboratory involvement here, which is an 
important part of your conclusion.
    If I remember correctly, under the FDA inspection standard, 
once a shipment came in, a sample was taken and sent to the FDA 
lab. If the results came back and indicated that there was 
something wrong with that shipment, the companies were then put 
on notice that the next shipment that came in would be under 
surveillance, which meant that such shipment had to be held 
until another sample could be tested at an FDA lab. It could 
not be sent into commerce. And finally, if there was a second 
violation, the shipment would be detained, and detained until 
the shipper/grower had submitted evidence that a test had been 
taken on that shipment and that it had no problem.
    So there was an increasing magnitude of inspection and 
detention based on whether we had bad actors and violators. Is 
that still basically the regime that is followed?
    Mr. Oleson. I believe so, Senator. I am not sure about the 
second surveillance test, if that is still required there, 
where they notify them that they will be on surveillance. We 
would have to check that.
    Senator Durbin. OK. Now, your observations about 
laboratories, I think, relate to detentions only. Assuming 
private laboratories are chosen by growers and shippers because 
they have got a history of problems, and someone in that 
laboratory or someone associated with the shipper picks the 
sample off the truck, your concern, and obviously a legitimate 
concern, is that it is a little too cozy there.
    Mr. Robertson. Yes, sir.
    Senator Durbin. There is no independent third party 
involved in this process.
    Mr. Robertson. Correct.
    Senator Durbin. OK. Is there any other evidence of private 
laboratories being brought into this system, other than that 
case of detention by the FDA where they have got a bad actor?
    Mr. Robertson. Actually, I think FDA is moving towards 
using them in other areas, too. Can you elaborate on that a 
little bit?
    Mr. Oleson. Yes, Senator. They are moving toward using 
private laboratories for their normal processes. Seafood is the 
most recent example they are trying to move toward, recognizing 
their own labs are getting overburdened, so they are trying to 
shift some of the work back to private ones.
    Senator Durbin. When I visited FDA's inspection laboratory 
for seafood in the Boston area, it was a very limited 
operation. You would be surprised. The one thing that I recall 
about that particular visit is that many times, seafood will 
tell you when it is bad. [Laughter.]
    Mr. Oleson. That is one of the tests they use.
    Senator Durbin. The inspector told me to take a whiff of 
one of those which he called a neck-snapper, not a red snapper 
but a neck-snapper, and once I took a whiff, I understood what 
he said. But that is clearly an area, poultry and fish are 
areas of real serious concern in terms of foodborne illnesses.
    Madam Chairman, thank you very much.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Senator Durbin.
    Mr. Robertson, I only have a few more questions, but I do 
want to point out an issue that troubles me, and that is that 
these problems in our system for food safety have been 
exacerbated by the increase in imports, but they have existed 
for a very long time. I looked back at a December 1977 report 
by the Governmental Affairs Committee. It is over 20 years ago 
and it was part of a 6-volume series on various aspects of 
Federal regulation.
    One volume was on our food safety system, and the Committee 
concluded in part that, ``Divided responsibility between the 
Department of Agriculture and the Federal Food and Drug 
Administration for food regulation has created a regulatory 
program which is often duplicative, sometimes contradictory, 
undeniably costly, and unduly complex.'' Have we made any 
progress in 21 years?
    Mr. Robertson. Well, I am sorry to say, but the situation 
really has not changed a whole lot, and I am sorry that Senator 
Durbin is not here because earlier he did just a fantastic job 
in describing the problems with the current piecemeal approach 
that we are taking to food safety.
    Senator Collins. I will play his role right now. I have two 
cans of soup. One is a vegetable soup, one is a vegetable beef 
soup. They are produced in the same factory. Can you tell me 
who inspects the vegetable soup, Mr. Oleson, and who is 
responsible for inspecting the vegetable beef soup?
    Mr. Oleson. Let us start with the vegetable beef soup. It 
seems it has beef in it, and under the rules, that comes under 
FSIS's regulatory authority. FSIS will inspect that plant every 
day each and every operating shift. So if they operate two 
shifts and an overtime, they will be in there three times in 
the same day. For that plant, depending on the size of those 
plants, they have permanent inspectors in those plants.
    To take the other one, the vegetable soup, since there is 
no meat or poultry in that, that is under FDA's regulatory 
authority and they will, then, inspect that plant--they do not 
have a mandatory inspection requirement, but they will visit 
that plant maybe once a year or something like that.
    Senator Collins. Are we misallocating our resources?
    Mr. Oleson. Absolutely.
    Senator Brownback. I think it just tells you to eat more 
beef. [Laughter.]
    Senator Collins. Spoken like a Senator from Kansas.
    Senator Brownback. It is good for you.
    Mr. Oleson. To add one more part to that, the real problem 
with that is not so much what is the food that is in it, it is 
the processing that they undergo, and low-acid canned foods are 
a high-risk processing operation and we want to ensure it is 
done right because of botulism. So it is the process that makes 
a difference in that case.
    Senator Collins. The other area that you hit upon in your 
report that we have talked about at length today is the issue 
of giving FDA what is known as equivalency authority, which the 
Department of Agriculture already has. This means that FDA 
would essentially certify the food safety system of a country 
before we would get imported foods from it, is that correct, 
essentially?
    Mr. Robertson. That is essentially correct.
    Senator Collins. Now, the President has proposed 
equivalency authority for the FDA, but we seem to be getting 
conflicting signals about whether the FDA wants to have this 
authority. Could you explain to the Committee the reaction that 
you got in your discussions with FDA on the issue of mandatory 
versus discretionary, concerns about impact on trade?
    Mr. Robertson. Sure. FDA, in responding to our 
recommendation that basically would require equivalency for 
other countries' food safety systems, basically said that you 
cannot do that in a mandatory fashion because it is going to 
disrupt trade. We think that it should be done on a 
discretionary basis.
    Senator Collins. We, meaning FDA?
    Mr. Robertson. Exactly. Our response to that is that we are 
not talking about banning all imports until a country has a 
system equivalent to ours. What we are talking about is phasing 
in this equivalency requirement over what could be a relatively 
long period of time. But our point still is, again, I keep 
going back to the statistics that say there are 2.7 million 
entries arriving at U.S. ports each year and you cannot hope to 
assure the safety of those entries with just port-of-entry 
inspections. You have got to go back to the source. You have 
got to go back to the other countries to make sure that their 
systems are equivalent to ours.
    Senator Collins. So if we do not change the system and we 
continue to have this flood of imports, do you believe that we 
are going to be posing an ever-greater risk to the American 
consumer?
    Mr. Robertson. Yes. I think the system needs to be 
strengthened and we have presented a couple of ways that it can 
be strengthened so that those risks are decreased.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much. We very much 
appreciate your assistance in this area.
    I would now like to call our final witness for the day. His 
name is Reggie Jang. Mr. Jang is awaiting sentencing after 
pleading guilty in California on Federal charges of accepting 
bribes from a company seeking to bypass inspections of imported 
food products. He is currently cooperating with Federal law 
enforcement officials against other individuals indicted in 
California.
    Pursuant to the Subcommittee's agreement with law 
enforcement officials which has led to the testimony we are 
going to hear today, Mr. Jang will testify only about his 
knowledge of the FDA's import inspection system and will not 
provide any specific testimony about current Federal criminal 
investigations in which he is a witness or a defendant.
    Mr. Jang retired in August of 1997 after serving almost 36 
years as a consumer safety inspector at the Federal Food and 
Drug Administration and he will testify today about his 
firsthand experiences with regard to the food import inspection 
system.
    Mr. Jang, I would ask that you now stand and raise your 
right hand. As I have explained to the other witnesses, all 
witnesses are required to be sworn in.
    Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give to 
the Subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth, and 
nothing but the truth, so help you, God?
    Mr. Jang. Yes.
    Senator Collins. Thank you. Please proceed.

 TESTIMONY OF REGGIE JANG, FORMER FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION 
                   CONSUMER SAFETY INSPECTOR

    Mr. Jang. Madam Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, 
thank you for allowing me to testify today with regard to the 
adequacy of the Nation's food import inspection program.
    As you mentioned, I retired in August 1997, after serving 
almost 36 years as a consumer safety inspector at the Food and 
Drug Administration. As you stated, Madam Chairman, I recently 
pleaded guilty to a felony in Federal court in San Francisco in 
an ongoing investigation and I am scheduled to be sentenced 
this fall. Consistent with the Subcommittee's subpoena, I 
cannot discuss any details of the ongoing investigation or my 
case.
    Today, I would like to focus my remarks on some of the 
weaknesses in the current food import system. I do so not out 
of any sense of resentment or revenge but out of my concern for 
our Nation's food supply. I also testify out of my respect and 
concern for the FDA, as well as my desire to atone for any past 
misdeeds.
    Port-of-entry inspections are ineffective. Port-of-entry 
inspections are ineffective because many importers or brokers 
acting on the behalf of importers participate in port shopping 
and clear shipments through ports of entry where FDA inspectors 
release specific types of food products without examination. 
For example, some unscrupulous food importers bring food 
products from Southeast Asia through ports of entry where FDA 
inspectors rarely see such products and are unfamiliar or 
unaware that these products are on the automatic detention or 
alert list.
    Unscrupulous importers also have a tendency to port shop 
and use, in some cases, two to four different aliases to hide 
their identity. All these importers have to do is to use the 
Social Security number and the name of a relative to import as 
another company.
    Importers know through word of mouth and by sharing of 
information with other importers which ports of entry are 
easier to bring in their food products. It is not unusual for 
West Coast importers to clear their shipments on the East Coast 
and send by rail the products across the country, while still 
making a reasonable profit. On the West Coast, importers have 
brought food products in at the Port of Los Angeles and 
transported the products up the coast to San Francisco for a 
cost of only $300. This small cost makes it very tempting to 
port shop.
    The FDA's newly implemented paperless system, referred to 
as the OASIS system, also makes it easier to bring in unsafe 
foods. Importers know that if a shipment contains products with 
a history of no problems or violations, the FDA will release 
the item electronically with no questions asked.
    One technique used by unscrupulous importers is to stack 
questionable food products in the back of a container and place 
the good products in the front. It is very likely that an FDA 
inspector would release this entire shipment with no questions 
asked. Another technique is to commingle questionable food 
products in a container with other types of merchandise, such 
as furniture.
    Based on my experience, I believe it would be very 
beneficial for the FDA to target more inspections of importers' 
warehouses and perform more surveillance of retail outlets to 
determine the sources of the questionable food products they 
have in storage and on their shelves.
    We know there is and will continue to be a shortage of 
consumer safety inspectors. Therefore, it is important that the 
FDA, in coordination with other Federal enforcement agencies, 
continues to make effective use of blitzes. Blitzes are short-
term, very intensive surveillance efforts of a specific food 
product or a specific port of entry. Let me emphasize that 
blitzes are effective only if all FDA districts do them, or 
else it will invite port shopping.
    The FDA is not deploying its inspectors effectively. Each 
FDA district office has its own ideas on how to best utilize 
its inspectors for collecting samples and conducting 
examinations of imported food products. Sometimes management is 
inflexible to new ideas, even though the ideas may be common 
sense. For example, some inspectors have to spend more than 
half their productive time traveling to and from locations to 
collect samples or conduct examinations of imported foods. It 
may take 30 minutes to collect a sample, but it may take from 2 
to 3 hours of travel time.
    One possible solution would be to place FDA inspectors 
closer to the proximity of their workload. FDA inspectors could 
share office space with a Customs office which is already 
located at the port of entry. FDA import operations are all 
computerized and assignments could be transmitted 
electronically from the district office to the inspector.
    Proper deployment of inspection resources may not be the 
only problem. The techniques on how to examine suspect food 
products must be updated. The cheaters are now smarter and more 
innovative in hiding questionable products from the FDA. The 
demand and the potential revenue of up to four times the 
original purchase price makes more importers willing to take 
the risk. Penalties and fines now set at three times the 
invoice value should be increased to three times the expected 
selling price.
    Annual work plans are inadequate. For FDA district offices 
to fulfill their annual work plan is often very difficult. The 
number of samples to be collected, as required in the work 
plan, are non-achievable because the plans often are not based 
on current or accurate data and field offices are not allowed 
to provide input.
    The district offices try to accomplish what is dictated by 
FDA headquarters, but the requirements are often too high. The 
FDA district does not take into account port shopping, 
importers moving to other geographic areas, importers going out 
of business, demand decline of selected products, importers 
shipping directly to buyers, the availability of inspectors to 
collect samples, and the capability of the laboratory to handle 
samples.
    Regional and district management place tremendous pressure 
on food import inspectors to accomplish the unrealistic goals 
in the work plan. There always has been a concern by management 
of losing staffing in the districts and regions if the workplan 
numbers are not met. Inspectors try their best to collect the 
samples and conduct the examinations, but the trade-off is 
strictly one-sided. There is insufficient coverage given to the 
areas of greater risk, such as suspect importers or food 
product that may contain potential health risks.
    With regard to health risks, FDA inspectors are not 
provided sufficient and timely information on known health 
risks associated with imported food. It would be a tremendous 
benefit to inspectors when they are at an importer's warehouse 
to know that certain products have been discovered to pose a 
greater health risk than others, or possibly that recent 
laboratory results have shown a particular product to be 
contaminated.
    The import operations branch is the focal point of alerting 
all field offices to any health risk problem. An alert notice 
should be issued by them. In most cases, when an inspection by 
a field office discovers a problem food product, that 
information is generally circulated only to the other 
inspectors in the district and often not circulated nationally.
    Current import procedures allow fraud and abuse. It is very 
easy for an importer to substitute food products from a good 
shipment to a rejected one. Most FDA field offices allow 
movement of imported food shipments to the importer's own 
warehouse before sampling. If the FDA rejects a shipment, that 
shipment will remain at the importer's warehouse for either 
private laboratory sampling, FDA audit sampling, or re-
exportation, but that food is still in the importer's control.
    Importers have been known to sell portions of a rejected 
food shipment and replace the products sold with products they 
have scheduled to arrive in another shipment. When an 
unscrupulous importer has a shipment rejected by the FDA and 
must re-export it out of the United States, the importer 
substitutes food from a good shipment to increase the chances 
it will pass inspection when the importer tries to re-enter 
that shipment.
    In addition, when a private laboratory selects a food 
sample for analysis, there is no assurance that the importer 
shows the analyst the rejected product. The unscrupulous 
importer may show the lab analyst a good product stored next to 
the rejected product.
    The FDA should have procedures to monitor and track 
importers who substitute food products. After one substitution 
violation, future rejected shipments should be placed in a 
bonded warehouse controlled by the Customs Service at the 
importer's expense.
    Some importers also ignore FDA's recall of food products 
for destruction or re-export and distribute the products to 
American consumers. The reason is very simple--money. Importers 
can ignore the FDA's recall notices, pay the fine, and still 
make a reasonable profit.
    That concludes my testimony, and I will try to answer any 
questions that you may have. Thank you.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Mr. Jang.
    Mr. Jang, you discussed in your testimony that some 
importers use port shopping in order to ship questionable food 
products into the U.S. economy. Based on your experience, how 
common is port shopping? Is this a widespread problem or is it 
just an isolated example that you told us about?
    Mr. Jang. Port shopping is getting to be a widespread 
problem, a wide area problem. Personally, I know of at least 
several ports of entry that they are port shopping, bringing in 
rejected products back into the country. The communication of 
importers who port shop is very good from importer to importer. 
They know which port of entry is easier to bring in their 
product without sampling, especially their problem products.
    Senator Collins. So an unscrupulous importer who has a 
questionable product knows which ports are easier to ship the 
product into than others? Some have tougher inspections than 
others?
    Mr. Jang. Yes.
    Senator Collins. So this can have a real impact on our food 
safety, is that correct?
    Mr. Jang. Yes.
    Senator Collins. The General Accounting Office discussed 
Operation Bad Apple, where government investigators found that 
in 70 percent of a particular case, the unsafe products were 
released into the American marketplace. The investigators found 
that importers often used product substitution. For example, 
they substituted a good product for the laboratory tests that 
the FDA required for the tainted product. Can you explain to us 
how importers can get away with that, how they could substitute 
good products for bad?
    Mr. Jang. In past years, cartons that came in, say, about 
10 years ago were specifically marked and identified to a 
specific invoice and packing list. You can specifically 
identify that shipment with those paper documents. It would 
have on the carton itself the location of the importer, the 
carton number, like you have canned pineapple number 1 to 100, 
canned mushrooms 101 to 200. Some would have the production 
code and the name of the vessel.
    Now, because Customs has relaxed their labeling 
requirements, the labeling on cartons is now identical from 
shipment to shipment. You cannot specifically identify one 
shipment from another shipment.
    Senator Collins. So the shipping label is not going to 
prevent product substitution, the substituting of good products 
for bad, is that what you are telling us?
    Mr. Jang. Yes.
    Senator Collins. I have one final question for you before I 
turn it over to Senator Durbin. What has been your experience 
in using the current system of fines and penalties to deter the 
illegal distribution of imported foods?
    Mr. Jang. This is a slap on the wrist. There is no 
deterrent to prevent importers from selling rejected 
merchandise. The fines are mitigated downward. It is, like you 
mentioned, it is a cost of doing business.
    Senator Collins. Thank you, Mr. Jang. Senator Durbin.
    Senator Durbin. Thank you, Madam Chairman.
    Mr. Jang, I am interested in the personal contact which an 
FDA inspector has with a party interested in a shipment that is 
being inspected. What is the usual contact? Is there a person 
there with the shipment when the FDA inspector does the actual 
inspection?
    Mr. Jang. Generally, when an inspector goes to an 
importer's warehouse to examine the shipment, there will be 
someone there to show the inspector the shipment or where it is 
located. It could be the importer himself or it could be a 
laborer to point out where the shipment is located.
    Sometimes, the importer would stack the shipment in such a 
way in the warehouse that it would be difficult for the FDA 
inspector to reach or sample the product. You might stack it 
four stacks high and then the FDA inspector would be unable to 
obtain the sample. So the importer at that time might offer to 
assist the FDA inspector by going through it and collecting a 
sample. That is where product substitution might take place.
    Senator Durbin. Now, you talked a lot about fraud and abuse 
in the current system, and what I am trying to establish is 
your experience. Is this fraud and abuse well known within the 
FDA to be associated with specific importers?
    Mr. Jang. It essentially is a problem that we have 
identified, that we have caught, or that Customs have caught, 
that have substituted.
    Senator Durbin. What I am trying to establish is whether or 
not the people working within the FDA, in your experience, 
would say, listen, when you go over to that importer's 
warehouse, be careful because we know in the past they have 
been guilty of practices which raised many questions. Is that 
the case?
    Mr. Jang. Yes. We have a listing of problem importers. When 
we do issue assignment, we would forewarn the inspectors that 
this is a problem importer. Mostly, in the case of a problem 
importer, we would do an intensive type of examination along 
with U.S. Customs in a Customs-controlled warehouse where we 
have it there so there will be no manipulation by the importer.
    Senator Durbin. Because there is always a danger of 
manipulation.
    Mr. Jang. Right.
    Senator Durbin. The importer's employee may not want you to 
see the shipment, may stack it too high or keep some part that 
is objectionable way from you. That is the problem that you 
might run into.
    Mr. Jang. Yes, or substitution.
    Senator Durbin. Can you associate these importers with any 
specific countries of origin? Is there any country of origin 
for the shipment that is a perennial problem in terms of the 
shipments coming into the United States and the importers 
trying to circumvent the law?
    Mr. Jang. On the West Coast, we deal mostly with Southeast 
Asia or Asian countries. There, we find a high degree of 
problem with many of the shipments.
    Senator Durbin. From any particular countries?
    Mr. Jang. I would say in most of the countries, not any 
particular country. We do find a high rate from China, from 
Thailand, from the Philippines, and from Hong Kong.
    Senator Durbin. As I understand it, the GAO report says 
that the Food and Drug Administration does not have the 
authority to fine importers who distribute adulterated food 
shipments or fail to retain shipments for inspection. The Food 
and Drug Administration relies on a bond agreement between 
Customs and the importer for those shipments valued at more 
than $1,250 as a way to achieve compliance.
    I assume that goes back to your point, that these importers 
know that they have very little to lose by trying to cheat when 
it comes to inspection.
    Mr. Jang. Yes. Even though the importer paid a fine for not 
retaining the shipment for FDA inspection or a rejected 
shipment is disposed of before they are supposed to re-export 
it or destroy it, they still make a reasonable profit from 
that. You can make from two to four times the original invoice 
value of the merchandise.
    Senator Durbin. Your recommendation about tripling the fine 
based on the value of goods rather than the invoice price is 
one that GAO also follows, and I think, Madam Chairman, it is 
one thing that we ought to seriously consider as part of these 
hearings, that we give additional authority to the Food and 
Drug Administration so that those who try to defy the system 
really have a penalty that might catch their attention.
    Mr. Jang, thank you for your testimony.
    Mr. Jang. You are welcome.
    Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Senator Durbin.
    That concludes our hearing for today. As I mentioned in my 
opening statement, this hearing is the first in a series of 
four hearings that the Subcommittee will be holding to examine 
the issue of the safety of our Nation's food import system. We 
will be announcing a schedule for those hearings shortly.
    The second hearing will focus on a case study involving 
tainted raspberries that were imported from Guatemala. We will 
trace how those raspberries got through the current system.
    The third hearing will look at fraud and abuse in the 
system, an issue that Senator Durbin and I have discussed this 
morning.
    The final hearing will focus on the remedies to this 
problem. We will hear from all the Federal agencies that are 
involved and we will discuss proposals for reform that have 
been put forth not only by the GAO but by Senator Durbin, 
Senator Coverdell, Senator Brownback, Senator Mikulski, and 
Senator Cochran and others who are interested in this area. We 
hope that these hearings will lay a foundation for real reforms 
that will help ensure that the safety of our imported foods do 
not compromise the health of the American public.
    I want to thank Senator Durbin for his participation today 
and I want to thank the staff for its hard work. I particularly 
want to thank Dr. Stephanie Smith of my staff. She is a food 
scientist who is on loan to us who has brought a whole new 
degree of expertise to the Subcommittee's deliberations.
    Finally, let me say that our plan had been to donate to a 
food kitchen the fruit that we bought, but based on what I have 
learned today, I am going to ask the staff to consult very 
closely with Dr. Camire before we do that, to make sure that we 
are not sending unsafe food to an unsuspecting food kitchen.
    Thank you very much. The hearing is adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 12:05 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]



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