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                 DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED
                    AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1998

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                                HEARINGS

                                BEFORE A

                           SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

                       COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

                         HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                       ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS
                              FIRST SESSION
                                ________

   SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED AGENCIES

                      RALPH REGULA, Ohio, Chairman

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania         SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois   
JIM KOLBE, Arizona                     JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
JOE SKEEN, New Mexico                  NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington 
CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina      DAVID E. SKAGGS, Colorado   
GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, Jr., Washington  JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia    
DAN MILLER, Florida                                                
ZACH WAMP, Tennessee                                               
                                                                   
NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Livingston, as Chairman of the Full 
 Committee, and Mr. Obey, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full 
 Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees.

Deborah Weatherly, Loretta Beaumont, Joel Kaplan, and Christopher Topik,
                            Staff Assistants

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                                 PART 5
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Public Witnesses for Natural Resource Programs....................     1
   Additional Written Testimony...................................   495
Public Witnesses for Energy and Other Programs....................   661
   Additional Written Testimony...................................  1146


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                       COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS                      

                   BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana, Chairman                  

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania         DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin            
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida              SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois           
RALPH REGULA, Ohio                     LOUIS STOKES, Ohio                  
JERRY LEWIS, California                JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania        
JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois           NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington         
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky                MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota         
JOE SKEEN, New Mexico                  JULIAN C. DIXON, California         
FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia                VIC FAZIO, California               
TOM DeLAY, Texas                       W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina 
JIM KOLBE, Arizona                     STENY H. HOYER, Maryland            
RON PACKARD, California                ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia     
SONNY CALLAHAN, Alabama                MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio                  
JAMES T. WALSH, New York               DAVID E. SKAGGS, Colorado           
CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina      NANCY PELOSI, California            
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio                  PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana         
ERNEST J. ISTOOK, Jr., Oklahoma        THOMAS M. FOGLIETTA, Pennsylvania   
HENRY BONILLA, Texas                   ESTEBAN EDWARD TORRES, California   
JOE KNOLLENBERG, Michigan              NITA M. LOWEY, New York             
DAN MILLER, Florida                    JOSE E. SERRANO, New York           
JAY DICKEY, Arkansas                   ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut        
JACK KINGSTON, Georgia                 JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia            
MIKE PARKER, Mississippi               JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts        
RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey    ED PASTOR, Arizona                  
ROGER F. WICKER, Mississippi           CARRIE P. MEEK, Florida             
MICHAEL P. FORBES, New York            DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina      
GEORGE R. NETHERCUTT, Jr., Washington  CHET EDWARDS, Texas                 
MARK W. NEUMANN, Wisconsin             
RANDY ``DUKE'' CUNNINGHAM, California  
TODD TIAHRT, Kansas                    
ZACH WAMP, Tennessee                   
TOM LATHAM, Iowa                       
ANNE M. NORTHUP, Kentucky              
ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama            

                 James W. Dyer, Clerk and Staff Director

                                  (ii)


                           W I T N E S S E S

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                                                                   Page
Able, E. H., Jr..................................................   801
Adelmann, G. W...................................................   272
Akers, Julie.....................................................   647
Alexander, James.................................................   327
Allison, S. A....................................................   969
Altmeyer, T. H...................................................   937
Amend, Madeline..................................................   589
Anderson, L. L...................................................   751
Applegate, David.................................................  1017
Arita, S. J......................................................   522
Aunan, L. G......................................................   580
Aurilio, Anna....................................................   141
Bahr, T. G.......................................................   670
Bajura, R. A.....................................................   839
Baker, Deborah...................................................   234
Banzhaf, W. H....................................................   134
Barnard, Stan....................................................  1047
Barnett, J. A....................................................   657
Beal, H. A.......................................................    74
Beard, D. P......................................................   109
Beck, Richard....................................................  1089
Beetham, M. B....................................................   100
Bennett, E. H....................................................  1283
Bezanson, Janice.................................................   576
Blockstein, D. E.................................................  1277
Brasaemle, J. E..................................................   570
Brouha, Paul.....................................................   594
Brown, M. P......................................................   248
Brown, R. D......................................................  1287
Cabral, R. J.....................................................   526
Camara, Lee......................................................   757
Cannard, D. L....................................................   532
Cannon, Hon. Chris...............................................    10
Carroll, Peter...................................................  1061
Castro, Bernadette...............................................   459
Clark, Les.......................................................
  522, 526.......................................................
Coleman, T. J....................................................   191
Colnes, A. L.....................................................   422
Comolli, A. G....................................................  1132
Connolly, Jerome.................................................  1089
Conrad, G. E.....................................................  1039
Cooper, Laurie...................................................   199
Crawford, Tommy..................................................   919
Crites, Buford...................................................   291
Crozier, E. S....................................................   602
Cruickshank, Michael.............................................   691
Cunha, Manual, Jr................................................
  522, 526.......................................................
Curtis, W. E.....................................................   714
Darguzas, J. N...................................................  1198
De Vaul, Diane...................................................  1155
Decaire, John....................................................  1231
Derbyshire, Frank................................................   707
Dessecker, D. R..................................................   567
Dixon, M. A......................................................  1243
Dower, Roger.....................................................  1029
Dunham, M. K.....................................................   586
Dwyer, Stephen...................................................   517
Dwyer, Thomas....................................................   893
Ebel, Dr. J. E...................................................  1292
Egbert, Allan....................................................   553
England, Marilyn.................................................   608
Evans, Debra.....................................................  1258
Eyring, E. M.....................................................   751
Fani, Robert.....................................................   846
Farris, Allen....................................................   542
Field, David.....................................................   164
Filippone, E. F..................................................   459
Filkins, Mylon...................................................   584
Foster, Alice....................................................   853
Franklin, T. M...................................................   185
Frederickson, Jean...............................................   599
Freeburne, S. K..................................................   992
Frey, P. D.......................................................   177
Fritz, E. C., ``Ned''............................................   128
Fumich, George...................................................   839
Gallery, Audrey..................................................   651
Gebhards, John...................................................   641
Geisinger, Jim...................................................   284
Genzer, Jeffrey..................................................   684
George, Father, W. L.............................................   649
Geringer, Jim....................................................  1172
Gladics, F. M....................................................    67
Glenn, Don.......................................................   661
Goldman, Madge...................................................   225
Goss, C. F.......................................................   530
Graves, Denyce...................................................   886
Groff, E. O......................................................   904
Gruver, John.....................................................   957
Gundersheimer, Werner............................................   815
Gunn, S. H.......................................................   401
Haas, Maurie.....................................................   634
Hall, Jason......................................................   637
Hanson, Rebecca..................................................   591
Hathaway, Eric...................................................   898
Hayden, Michael..................................................   436
Hays, Alexander..................................................   792
Heissenbuttel, John..............................................   156
Henson, Ryan.....................................................   334
Hertfelder, Eric.................................................   320
Hofmann, J. B....................................................   298
Holder, G. D.....................................................   750
Holmer, Steve....................................................   342
Hope, Becky......................................................   585
Hope, Matt.......................................................   585
Huffman, G. P....................................................   742
Hunter, Jamie....................................................   595
Imbergamo, Bill..................................................   177
James, Sharpe....................................................   642
James, Ted.......................................................   522
Janger, S. A.....................................................  1296
Jarvik, Laurence.................................................  1254
Jenkins, A. F....................................................   394
John, Ismael.....................................................  1300
Johnson, Denton..................................................   982
Johnson, Jean....................................................   619
Jorris, Peter....................................................   601
Judd, Joe........................................................    10
Karolchik, Trina.................................................   755
Kennamer, J. E...................................................   564
Kenny, M. P......................................................   526
Kirsch, F. W.....................................................   926
Kloosterman, Marilyn.............................................   623
Knight, R. H.....................................................  1262
Knoebel, Rick....................................................   588
Koch, Roger......................................................   570
Krichbaum, Steve.................................................    59
Lagina, Martin...................................................  1180
Lawrence, Dr. L. R., Jr..........................................  1235
Lea, George......................................................   350
Lee, B. S........................................................   766
Leftwich, J. T., Jr..............................................  1166
Leibowitz, Herman ``Hank''.......................................   975
Levin, Rabbi Yehuda..............................................  1053
Libby, Michael...................................................   210
Liebman, Murray..................................................  1116
Linehan, T. E....................................................   786
Liston, Louise...................................................    10
Lively, Scott....................................................  1053
Longsworth, Nellie...............................................   264
Ludwick, Michelle................................................   210
Lundy, Jeff......................................................  1124
Mankin, Dr. C. J.................................................  1168
Marshall, Gwen...................................................
  25, 570........................................................
Mazer, Marshall..................................................   951
McCarron, D. J...................................................   556
McDowell, Robert.................................................   545
Melissaratos, Aris...............................................   957
Meuzelaar, H. L. C...............................................   751
Miller, Dr. R. N.................................................  1190
Miller, P. P.....................................................   829
Mills, Jamie.....................................................   611
Mink, Roy........................................................   670
Minnigh, Harvey..................................................   225
Moe, Richard.....................................................   312
Molini, William..................................................   549
Mondre, J. L.....................................................  1239
Mosher, J. A.....................................................   504
Muller, M. R.....................................................  1069
Myers, Phyllis...................................................   485
Nadel, S. M......................................................   864
Nemtzow, D. M....................................................   877
Nimmons, J. T....................................................   726
Norcross, Elizabeth..............................................   257
O'Brien, Rindy...................................................   446
Overbey, M. M....................................................   999
Owens, J. M......................................................   753
Pacelle, Wayne...................................................    83
Paque, Michael...................................................  1124
Pate-Bain, Helen.................................................   604
Pease, Elizabeth.................................................   242
Peter, Neptali...................................................  1300
Peterson, R. M...................................................   359
Phillips, Bonnie.................................................   429
Pickett, Hon. O. B...............................................   248
Pugmire, R. J....................................................   751
Ramirez-Toro, G. I...............................................   225
Rapanos, J. A....................................................   945
Rawlings, H. R., III.............................................   775
Reheis, C. H.....................................................   526
Roddy, Michael...................................................     1
Rogan, J. B......................................................  1203
Rowell, Deborah..................................................   963
Runnels, Bruce...................................................   413
Scott, D. A......................................................   570
Sebastian, Carol.................................................   538
Seifert, D. J....................................................   370
Shabtai, J. S....................................................   751
Shinn, R. C., Jr.................................................   459
Sigmon, Neal.....................................................    41
Sloan, M. M......................................................   120
Sparrowe, R. D...................................................    92
Speight, Dr. J. G................................................  1182
Startzell, D. N..................................................   164
Stehsel, Don.....................................................   600
Steinbach, Thomas................................................   511
Styles, G. A.....................................................   719
Sutherland, Scott................................................    48
Tabor, J. L......................................................  1139
Thornton, J. F...................................................   218
Tice, R. D.......................................................   643
Tierney, J. W....................................................   750
Trent, R. H......................................................   691
Tripp, J. T. B...................................................   459
Trueman, P. A....................................................  1109
Tum, P. J. A.....................................................  1194
Vap, G. L........................................................   500
Walsh, Hon. J. T.................................................   775
Walsh, Tom.......................................................   574
Watt, R. S.......................................................   984
Webb, D. O.......................................................   734
Welsh, Richard...................................................    33
Wender, Irving...................................................   750
Werbelow, Karen..................................................   540
Werner, Gary.....................................................   148
West, Elizabeth..................................................   452
Williamson, L. L.................................................   496
Wodraska, J. R...................................................   655
Wolf, A. E.......................................................   305
Wolf, N. A.......................................................   596
Woolsey, J. R....................................................   691
Wyneken, Jeanette................................................   613
Young, Boyd......................................................   558
Zeigler, Joseph..................................................  1104
Zimmer, G. R.....................................................   660


                               I N D E X

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                   ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDING TESTIMONY

                                                                   Page
ABB Inc..........................................................  1201
Air Products and Chemicals, Inc..................................
  1190, 1194.....................................................
Alabama Environmental Council....................................   515
Alaska Sea Otter Commission......................................   626
Alliance for Community Trees.....................................   596
Alliance to Commercialize Carbonate Technology...................   726
Alliance to Save Energy..........................................   877
Allison Engine Company...........................................   969
American Anthropological Association.............................
  370, 999.......................................................
American Arts Alliance...........................................
  886, 893, 898, 1250............................................
American Association of Museums..................................
  637, 801.......................................................
American Association of Retired Persons..........................  1243
American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy.................   864
American Council on Education....................................   775
American Family Association......................................  1109
American Fisheries Society.......................................   594
American Forest and Paper Association............................   156
American Gas Association.........................................  1162
American Gas Cooling Center, Inc.................................   846
American Geological Institute....................................  1017
American Hiking Society..........................................   120
American Land Rights Association.................................   452
American Lands Alliance..........................................   538
American Public Power Association................................  1147
American Rivers, Inc.............................................   257
American Society of Civil Engineers..............................   904
American Sportfishing Association................................   436
American Symphony Orchestra League...............................  1266
American Zoo and Aquarium Association............................  1273
Americans for Our Heritage and Recreation........................   446
Americans for the Arts...........................................   852
Appalachian Mountain Club........................................   511
Appalachian Trail Conference.....................................   164
Arctic Seas Division, University of Alaska Fairbanks.............   691
Association of Art Museum Directors/American Arts Alliance.......   898
Association of American State Geologists.........................  1283
Association of American Universities.............................
  637, 775.......................................................
Association of Independent Colleges of Art and Design............   786
Association of Midwest Fish and Wildlife Agencies................   542
Association of Research Libraries................................  1269
Babcock and Wilcox Company.......................................  1203
Back Country Horsemen of America.................................   584
Bob Lawrence & Associates, Inc...................................  1235
Brooklyn Union Gas Company.......................................   846
Business Council for Sustainable Energy..........................  1116
California Forestry Association..................................   298
California Industry and Government Coalition on PM-10/PM-2.5.....   526
California Wilderness Coalition..................................   334
Cannard, David L.................................................   532
Capital Research Center..........................................  1254
Caterpillar Inc..................................................  1228
Center for Applied Energy Research, University of Kentucky.......   707
Center for Environmental Education, Conservation and 
  Interpretation, International University of Puerto Rico........   225
Center for Marine Conservation...................................   615
Clean Coal Technology Coalition..................................  1186
Close Up Foundation..............................................  1296
Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy...........................   291
Coal Utilization Research Council................................   951
Colorado River Basin Salinity Control Forum......................   657
Colorado River Board of California...............................   660
Commission on Preservation and Access............................  1269
Consortium for Fossil Fuel Liquefaction Science..................   742
Continental Shelf Division, University of Mississippi............   691
Cooperative Alliance for Refuge Enhancement......................    92
Council for Chemical Research, Inc...............................  1139
Cummins Engine Co., Inc..........................................  1224
Dance USA/American Arts Alliance.................................   893
Deep Creek Open Space Coalition..................................   598
Defenders of Wildlife............................................   100
Detroit Diesel Corporation.......................................  1220
``Ding'' Darling Wildlife Society................................   623
Distributed Power Coalition of America...........................  1207
Dow Corning Corporation..........................................   992
Ducks Unlimited, Inc.............................................    48
Dwyer, Stephen...................................................   517
Earthworks, Inc..................................................   225
Electric Transportation Coalition................................  1216
Energy Research Corporation......................................   661
Enewetak/Ujelang Local Government Council........................  1300
Environmental Defense Fund.......................................   459
Exergy Inc.......................................................   975
Family Research Council..........................................  1262
Federal Forest Reform............................................   576
Federation of State Humanities Council...........................   792
Fisheries Resource Volunteer Corps...............................   600
Forest Water Alliance............................................   429
Foundation for North American Wild Sheep.........................   540
Friends of Acadia................................................    74
Friends of Back Bay..............................................   248
Friends of the Bon Secour National Wildlife Refuge...............   607
Friends of the Columbia Gorge....................................   580
Friends of the Minnesota Valley..................................   619
Frontera Audubon Society.........................................   634
Gabriella and Paul Rosenbaum Foundation..........................   225
Gainsville, Florida..............................................   536
Gas Research Institute...........................................   734
Gas Turbine Association..........................................  1212
General Electric.................................................  1208
Georgetown University............................................   649
Great Egg Harbor Watershed Association...........................   647
Green Framing Systems............................................     1
Ground Water Protection Council..................................  1124
Humane Society of the United States..............................    83
Hydrocarbon Technologies, Inc....................................  1132
Independent Forest Products Association..........................    67
Indigenous People's Council for Marine Mammals...................   630
Institute of Gas Technology......................................   766
Integrated Petroleum Environmental Consortium....................  1176
InterAmerican University of Puerto Rico..........................   225
International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies..........   359
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers....   561
International Committee for Holocaust Truth......................  1053
Interstate Council on Water Policy...............................  1290
Interstate Mining Compact Commission.............................  1039
Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission........................  1172
Izaak Walton League of America...................................   504
Kern County Valley Floor Habitat Conservation Plan...............   522
Kettle Range Conservation Group..................................   191
Klamath Forest Alliance..........................................   199
Krichbaum, Steven................................................    59
Leftwich, John T.................................................  1166
Majestic Metals, Inc.............................................   982
Marshall, Gwen...................................................    25
M-C Power........................................................   757
Metropolitan Water District of Southern California...............   655
Miami University.................................................  1089
Mississippi Oil and Gas Board....................................  1124
Mountains Group, Sierra Club.....................................   574
National Assembly of State Arts Agencies.........................   945
National Association for State Community Services Programs.......   714
National Association of Abandoned Mine Land Programs.............  1047
National Association of Conservation Districts...................   500
National Association of Energy Service Companies.................  1029
National Association of Reversionary Property Owners.............    33
National Association of State Conservation Agencies..............   500
National Association of State Energy Officials...................   684
National Association of State Foresters..........................   177
National Association of State Universities and Land-Grant 
  Colleges.......................................................
  670, 775.......................................................
National Association of University Fisheries and Wildlife 
  Programs.......................................................  1287
National Audubon Society.........................................   109
National Center for Manufacturing Sciences.......................  1231
National Conference of State Historic Preservation Officers......   320
National Congress of American Indians............................   637
National Constitution Center.....................................   305
National Coordinating Committee for the Promotion of History.....   829
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation............................    41
National Hardwood Lumber Association.............................   242
National Humanities Alliance.....................................
  815, 1269......................................................
National Institute for the Environment...........................  1279
National Institutes for Water Resources..........................   670
National Mining Association......................................   937
National Parks and Conservation Association......................   218
National Recreation and Park Association.........................   643
National Research Center for Coal and Energy, West Virginia 
  University.....................................................   839
National Trust for Historic Preservation.........................   312
National Wild Turkey Federation..................................   564
National Wildlife Refuge Association.............................   602
Native American Rights Fund......................................   637
Natural Gas Industry Research, Development and Demonstration 
  Initiative.....................................................  1158
Nature Conservancy...............................................   413
New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection................   459
New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic 
  Preservation...................................................   459
Newark, New Jersey...............................................   642
Newlands Water Protective Association............................   611
Northeast Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies..............   545
Northeast-Midwest Institute......................................  1155
Northern Forest Alliance.........................................   422
Northwest Forestry Association...................................   284
Ocean Basins Division, University of Hawaii......................   691
Ohio and Erie Canal Association..................................   327
Ohio Sierra Club.................................................   570
Ohioview Research Consortium.....................................  1089
Oklahoma Geological Survey.......................................  1168
Old Dominion University..........................................  1166
Openlands Project................................................   272
Opera America/American Arts Alliance.............................   886
Ornithological Council...........................................  1277
Parks Subcommittee of the Committee of 100 on the Federal City...   485
Partnership for the National Trails System.......................   148
Passaic River Coalition..........................................   459
Petroleum Technology Transfer Council............................   963
Police Association of the District of Columbia...................   210
Preservation Action..............................................   264
Public Lands Foundation..........................................   350
Rock Energy Company, L.L.C.......................................  1180
Ruffled Grouse Society...........................................   567
Rural Public Lands County Council................................    10
Rutgers University...............................................  1069
Sacramento Grazing Association...................................   530
Sargent & Lundy, L.L.C...........................................  1198
San Bernardino Mountains Land Trust..............................   601
Save Our Forest Association, Inc.................................   590
Seventeenth Annual Symposium on Sea Turtle Conservation and 
  Biology........................................................   613
Sierra Club, North Carolina Chapter..............................   568
Society for American Archaeology.................................
  370, 637, 999..................................................
Society for Animal Protective Legislation........................   604
Society for Historical Archaeology...............................
  370, 637, 999..................................................
Society of American Foresters....................................   134
Solar Turbines, Inc..............................................  1061
Southaven Properties Coalition...................................   608
Southeastern Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies...........   553
Southeastern Manufactured Housing Alliance.......................   919
Southern Company Services, Inc...................................   719
Southern Timber Purchasers Council...............................   234
Sterling Forest Coalition........................................   641
Texas Committee on Natural Resources.............................   128
Trout Unlimited of California....................................   592
U-505 Restoration Committee......................................   651
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America..........   556
United Paperworkers International Union..........................   558
United States Advanced Ceramics Association......................  1151
United States Public Interest Research Group.....................   141
University City Science Center...................................   926
Urban Consortium Energy Task Force...............................  1239
Utah, Garfield County............................................    10
Utah, Kane County................................................    10
Washington Opera.................................................  1258
Western Ancient Forest Campaign..................................   342
Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies................   549
Western Research Institute.......................................  1182
Westinghouse.....................................................   957
Weston Observatory, Boston College...............................  1292
Wild Utah Forest Campaign........................................   394
Wilderness Society...............................................   401
Wildlife Management Institute....................................   496
Wildlife Society.................................................   185
World Wildlife Fund..............................................   507
Yukon River Drainage Fisheries Association.......................   520
Zeigler, Joseph..................................................  1104


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